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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 14th, 2008


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twitterSilverblight 2.0, now with <i>better</i> DRM, " y the thing that leapt out at me was the addition of Silverlight DRM, powered by Microsoft's own PlayReady digital-rights-management software, which offers "robust content protection for connected Silverlight experiences"."Oct 14 00:14
twitterha ha ha.Oct 14 00:14
twitter,2817,...Oct 14 00:15
twitterWonder if Lunelight will be able to follow that.Oct 14 00:15
twitterThey promise it will work on "Linux"Oct 14 00:17
twitterThanks but no thanks.Oct 14 00:18
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tessierWindows 7? WTF?Oct 14 04:30
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schestowitztessier: Windows 7 is ridiculed in the press. It's similar to Vista, it might not be out until 2010 or 2011 and it's just intended to 'freeze the market' -- for now.Oct 14 06:30
tessierSo it's vaporware for now.Oct 14 06:31
tessierThere really aren't any big revolutions in software on the horizon.Oct 14 06:32
schestowitzWhen I saw this headline I knew who wrote it: Gavin Clarke, 'friend' of Microsoft, RamjiOct 14 06:32
tessierMS is going to have to rely more and more on marketing to push the product.Oct 14 06:32
schestowitzMicrosoft's second Silverlight courts open-source coders - 14 06:32
schestowitzHe tries to associate this Web Cancer with 'open source;Oct 14 06:32
schestowitzAnother person who does this is Paul Krill. How can they be so naive?Oct 14 06:32
schestowitzAh oh!!!Oct 14 06:33
schestowitzEveryone step aside.Oct 14 06:33
schestowitzQuiet down.Oct 14 06:33
schestowitzThe world's biggest thief has some pre-dic-shen to make:Oct 14 06:34
schestowitzGates predicts 'significant' US recession - 14 06:34
schestowitzNo shirt [sic], SherlockOct 14 06:34
schestowitzIn other news, Bush predicted a decline in mood among the US population.Oct 14 06:34
schestowitz*LOL* 14 06:36
tessierBill said it and he has lots of money so he must be smart and it must be right.Oct 14 06:39
schestowitzYes, did you see me saying this the other day, per chance?Oct 14 06:40
schestowitzI don't understand why the press quotes him so much on this issue. He's a lawyer. There are Nobel Laurettes in economics that are more worth talking to, but oh well... they don't have as much money, so they must not be as smart. The song "if I were a rich man" (and a particular line) comes to mind.Oct 14 06:41
tessierThey didn't find any pics of Palin nekked so it was all a big waste of time.Oct 14 06:41
tessierbillg is a lawyer?Oct 14 06:42
tessierKrugman seems to be doing well for himself lately.Oct 14 06:42
schestowitz 14 06:43
schestowitz"And it won't make one bit of difference if i answer right or wrong. When you're rich, they think you really know!"Oct 14 06:44
schestowitztessier: 14 06:45
schestowitzAnd that's the SFW ones.Oct 14 06:45
tessierAll photoshops. And I'm not at work at 11:51pm. :)Oct 14 06:46
tessierI'd totally post-hole her but I'm not gonna vote for her. She could totally buy my vote with some VPILFy sex though.Oct 14 06:48
schestowitzWierd headline for Lessig to choose: In Defense of Piracy < >Oct 14 06:49
schestowitzMy cousin in FL is more obsessed with her. Sent me a fake nude pic of her although I didn't ask for anything. It's rude when people send this stuff and assume you won't check this from work or something.Oct 14 06:50
schestowitzLessig: "How is it that sensible people, people no doubt educated at some of the best universities and law schools in the country, would come to think it a sane use of corporate resources to threaten the mother of a dancing 13-month-old? What is it that allows these lawyers and executives to take a case like this seriously, to believe there's some important social or corporate reason to deploy the federal scheme of regulation calleOct 14 06:51
schestowitzd copyright to stop the spread of these images and music? "Let's Go Crazy" indeed!"Oct 14 06:51
schestowitzI see the "anti-Microsoft" label used again. Not "against crime" but "anti-Microsoft"Oct 14 06:52
schestowitz"The genial but nakedly ambitious Dutchman, who spent nine years at Microsoft, claims to have largely won the crowd of anti-Microsoft protesters over, as well as staff who initially shared their suspicions. The online comments about the BBC's ambitions may suggest otherwise but many admit that Huggers, much more geek than luvvie, has made progress."Oct 14 06:52
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MinceRj0Oct 14 07:10
schestowitz "Anyone that develops for silverlight is a traitor to software freedom. "Oct 14 07:32
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schestowitz*LOL*Oct 14 07:54
schestowitz  "Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat) Server at Port 80"Oct 14 07:54
schestowitzIt's not the error which is funny. It's Sun using GNU/Linux again.Oct 14 07:54
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schestowitz "No other software company our size is as about interoperability as we are."   Hey, how about standards, Novell? S-T-A-N-D-A-R-DsOct 14 08:27
schestowitz" It’s not about replacing Windows with Linux, it’s about making it dead simple for the two to work together."Oct 14 08:28
schestowitzHey, why compete with Microsoft? They are Novell partners now. The bad guys are UNIX, Red Hat, Ubuntu...Oct 14 08:28
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schestowitzbbl]Oct 14 14:11
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twitterIs there some kind of internet shit storm today?Oct 14 14:26
twitterI'm having a hard time resolving things and then get timeouts.Oct 14 14:28
twitterEven email does not get out.  My stupid ISP blocks outbound email except for their smtp server and it is not working.  Google provides a handy way to get around that but they are not responding either.Oct 14 14:30
twitterI see no responses and don't know if that's because they don't get here or because no one is listening.Oct 14 14:31
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brunomiguelhello :)Oct 14 14:38
twitter:)Oct 14 14:39
twitterSo what's going on out there?Oct 14 14:39
brunomiguelit's sunny, a light breeze. a really cool day :)Oct 14 14:40
twitterIt's muggy and will be hot here.  I'm not going to be outside much.Oct 14 14:41
twitterGoogle comes through, so I can see the stock market diving again.Oct 14 14:41
twitterM$ is leading the way, of course.Oct 14 14:42
twitterdown 5.5%Oct 14 14:42
twitterTheir gains yesterday are the perfect picture of irrational exuberance.  They were already limping.  Does anyone think they are going to do better with all of their big dumb customers failed and failing?Oct 14 14:45
twitter"Bailout" money is not going to be spent on IT.Oct 14 14:46
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_DougMS publishes ethical guidlines ..Oct 14 15:12
_Doug 14 15:12
_DougDragons' Den .. a series solely devoted to the massaging of the massive egos of the panelists ?Oct 14 15:20
_DougThey seems to be more interested in humiliating the contestants than promoting 'business' ..Oct 14 15:21
_Doug'_DenOct 14 15:23
_DougSame with the Donald and 'Sir' Alan .. massive egos .. witht little evidence to shopw for it .. :)Oct 14 15:23
_DougBasically all the skill the 'clients have to show is the ability to absorbe massive humiliation and perform BOGU ..Oct 14 15:25
_DougI guess this demonstrates why the second division suits are all so nasty ..Oct 14 15:26
_DougWould this have made it past the Dragons ?Oct 14 15:28
_Doug 14 15:28
_DougIt might be a good idea, with cheap broadband ..Oct 14 15:28
_Dougsweaty, novell SCO McBride ...Oct 14 15:36
_DougWelcome to the Roy Schestowitz fanclub ... :)Oct 14 15:39
_Doug"It was only a few short years ago when Microsoft and Sun Microsystems made a similarly stunning"Oct 14 15:42
_Doug 14 15:42
_Doug"It was only a few short years ago when Microsoft and Sun Microsystems made a similarly stunning announcement to what Microsoft and Novell did in November. Unfortunately, other than some work completed on expanding Web services interoperability, most of the technology work under the Microsoft-Sun deal was abstracted far away from products that customers see, and in the end, produced far less measurable value than cusOct 14 15:44
_Doug"it appears that customers can and will benefit from this relationship, making it a win for everyone except for Novell's competitors."Oct 14 15:49
_DougDoug says: and Microsoft isn't a Novell competitor ???Oct 14 15:49
_Doug"Open source is weak Window?"Oct 14 15:53
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_Douggtg .. keep an eye on Roy ... :]Oct 14 15:55
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twitterI might read that when I can.  Is anyone else here?Oct 14 16:01
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schestowitzMSFT: -0.71-2.78%Oct 14 16:28
schestowitzNOVL up slightlyOct 14 16:28
schestowitz(i've just come back BTW)Oct 14 16:28
schestowitzThe Microsoft technical guidelines in Slashdot in not news and it's the reason /. I no longer read. Just another MS ad in there.Oct 14 16:30
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schestowitzNow the Apple 'TCO' idiocy begins: Microsoft exec: Mac users face hidden costs < >Oct 14 17:05
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schestowitz"...whereas Reykjavik stock exchange plummets 76% at the opening!" 14 17:34
schestowitzGods and oracles 'predict' that spendings will decrease: (I knew that too, but I'm not a so-called 'analyst')Oct 14 17:40
MinceRtechnical guidelines?Oct 14 17:41
MinceRi thought they were "ethical"Oct 14 17:42
schestowitzMinceR: where? More debts 'emerge': "Traders in New York, where the firm is listed, liked the plan and sent its stock up 25 per cent yesterday. Virgin Media beancounters still require permission to restructure the €£4.3bn of loans from some creditors, but the ten biggest are already on board." 14 17:42
schestowitzYou know, I was at the shop 2 hours ago. Bread was like $2.50 (cheapest bread). Went to another shop... same thing.Oct 14 17:43
schestowitzMight be a coincidence, might be inflation. The govt. here turns socialist, having tax money fund the banks to cover up for corrupt operatives. That's just sad.Oct 14 17:44
schestowitzWell, well, well...Oct 14 17:45
schestowitzLook at this. Yesterday it said that it was Ubuntu, but since a former Microsoft executive joined the board last month... "Microsoft is also set to benefit from the deal, as the computers will run Windows Server and its latest Office suite." 14 17:46
schestowitzSo the Microsoft executive can cause more damage /outside/ the company,  talking on OLPC and turning Linux thin clients to Windows.Oct 14 17:46
twitterI read $170 billion.  You don't have to have inside information to know that bankrupt mega corps means less M$ IT money.  Vista was a failure before, this will keep people away from Windows 7 too.Oct 14 17:50
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twitterThat story from India is sad as is The Register these days.Oct 14 17:56
twitterThey have gone from being a company that bites the hand that feeds IT to being a press release republisher.Oct 14 17:56
schestowitzWell, it's not just ITOct 14 18:01
schestowitzBigger money is in energyOct 14 18:01
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PetoKrausberanger owns fedora in 1st roundOct 14 18:06
twitterfedora is free software, everyone owns it.Oct 14 18:08
PetoKraus:)Oct 14 18:08
PetoKrausbrb, new xorgOct 14 18:08
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trmancobrbOct 14 18:11
trmancofirst time in 2 month I've gotta rebootOct 14 18:11
trmancomonths*Oct 14 18:11
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schestowitzI had a rare issue myself an hour ago.Oct 14 18:13
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trmancohmmOct 14 18:13
trmancothat was fastOct 14 18:13
schestowitzKate f*ed up the session, so I had to killall Kate !!Oct 14 18:13
schestowitzExceptionally rare that.Oct 14 18:14
trmancowhat is kate in the kde world?Oct 14 18:14
schestowitz "The first paragraph raises a red flag with me: "a set of processes applied to all Microsoft products with significant security or privacy risks.""Oct 14 18:15
schestowitzIt's an integrated and 'tabbed' text editor, part of KDevelop, embedding KWrite in a way although it seems very separate.Oct 14 18:16
PetoKrausgeditOct 14 18:18
schestowitzUK fiber despite recession? From the company that eavesdrop on customers without permission and pursues software patents in India.Oct 14 18:18
schestowitzI liked nedit.Oct 14 18:18
PetoKrausned?Oct 14 18:18
schestowitzRectangular selections are a feature I miss.Oct 14 18:18
schestowitzjoeOct 14 18:18
schestowitzand kateOct 14 18:18
schestowitz"So this editor called kate stops into a bar and meets ned..."Oct 14 18:19
schestowitz*stepsOct 14 18:19
PetoKrausthat's glasgow.Oct 14 18:23
schestowitzWell yeah... Kate is cheating in Siixtab JoeOct 14 18:23
schestowitzJust spotted this one: (mind the link to BN at the bottom)Oct 14 18:24
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schestowitzThanks. PetoKraus may have missed this one.Oct 14 18:34
schestowitzThis: 14 18:35
PetoKrausschestowitz: i seen thatOct 14 18:35
PetoKrausi am no expert on economyOct 14 18:35
PetoKrausi don't think that the bailouts are in line with capitalism, thoughOct 14 18:36
schestowitzI like his coverage of economics. Not one of these "everything will be great, just keep spending articles." He's realistic, also about s/w and patents/IP.Oct 14 18:36
PetoKraushe's more than critical on linux. yet, his articles are funny - that's why i like himOct 14 18:36
schestowitzPetoKraus: of course they are not, but say so in public and be called a traitor or 'communist' or something (just for stating the obvious)Oct 14 18:36
benJImanNot very useful saving at the moment either, with inflation so much higher than interest rates.Oct 14 18:36
PetoKrausschestowitz: communist :DOct 14 18:37
PetoKrauscommunists are the ones who are FOR the bailouts...Oct 14 18:37
schestowitzThey show failure to REGULATE, not a failure of capitalism. it's out of control capitalism, or extreme capitalism as RMS calls it.Oct 14 18:37
schestowitzbenJIman: I agree.Oct 14 18:37
PetoKrauswell, that's what the right wing wants, isn't it.Oct 14 18:37
schestowitzPetoKraus: the wealthy ones fund their campaign.Oct 14 18:38
schestowitzLeftists also.Oct 14 18:38
PetoKrausi mean, what are the bailouts for? Alright, UK will have majority in RBOS, LLoyds and HBOSOct 14 18:38
PetoKrausbut what's the benefit? people being able to get more stupid mortgages?Oct 14 18:38
PetoKrauspeople, who signed for something, they can't pay for, being actually paid by the state instead?Oct 14 18:39
schestowitzThat's what I thought about earlier at the gym and talked about. They'll say anything to 'sell' it.Oct 14 18:39
PetoKrausi just don't see how putting money in a blackhole will helpOct 14 18:39
schestowitzIn principle, they should rescue the money and throw these failing institutes to the dogs. /That's free market and competition. The corrupt dies out.Oct 14 18:40
schestowitzBut the mistake was to have this dependency of the economy on potentially failing banks in the first place.Oct 14 18:41
PetoKrauswell, everyone knows that nowOct 14 18:41
PetoKrausi just wanna do why should we do what are we doing right nowOct 14 18:41
schestowitzWell, I guess that makes LLoyds the bank of 'the people'Oct 14 18:41
schestowitzThe Red Bank.Oct 14 18:41
benJImanRBOS has all my money.Oct 14 18:42
PetoKrauscome on, do you wanna see a letter i sent to lloyds?Oct 14 18:42
benJImanGovt guarantees up to €£50,000 personal savings though anyway.Oct 14 18:42
schestowitzbenJIman: thanks, didn't know how it was spilt.Oct 14 18:42
PetoKraus:DOct 14 18:42
schestowitzGovt guarantees = taxpayer guaranteesOct 14 18:42
benJImanExcept for the money Novell pays me to idle in this channel, that goes elsewhere.Oct 14 18:43
benJImanObviously.Oct 14 18:43
benJImanThough the government also borrows money from the banks /o\Oct 14 18:43
PetoKraustoucheOct 14 18:43
schestowitzMeeks mailed me a couple of times today.Oct 14 18:43
schestowitzDid you tell him something?Oct 14 18:43
schestowitzThe debt in the UK is only GBP 60 billion I hear...Oct 14 18:44
benJImanschestowitz: He blogged about your post yesterday. It was discussed all over the intarwebs.Oct 14 18:44
schestowitzThat's about GBP 1000 per capitaOct 14 18:44
schestowitzUS: $30,000 debt per capita.Oct 14 18:44
benJImanDoes that include mortgage debt?Oct 14 18:44
schestowitzI don't know, I'm afraid.Oct 14 18:44
schestowitz(without the comma)Oct 14 18:45
schestowitzLinux is the Klein Bottle of Economics : 14 18:47
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PetoKrausnice interviewOct 14 18:48
schestowitzI think that RickJ  here is MSJeliffe: 14 18:49
schestowitz"Well, I think you have a Goldman Sachs chief of staff to the president and the Goldman Sachs secretary of the Treasury. And they convinced the president that the American people ought to send $700 billion to Wall Street, which I think is a very, very bad idea, and I would argue is a very un-Republican idea. I don't understand what they think they're doing."Oct 14 18:50
schestowitzI haven't read it fully, but it sounds like the corrupt caused a meltdown and are not corrupting the govt. to receive some more funds and let the milking of the ecnomy go on.Oct 14 18:50
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schestowitzThey'll want to have you convinced that buying stocks regardless of their value is a patriotic duty because that enables inside-traders to milk those who don't know better... like they do with the lottery... it's another form of 'tax'. I wonder what RMS wrote about all of this. I subscribed to his feed only yesterday.Oct 14 18:53
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PetoKraushe's got a feeD? where?Oct 14 18:54
trmancohey coolOct 14 18:54
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trmancoI ssh'ed mu routerOct 14 18:54
joseschestowitz, can you quote a little context for your recent comment about buying stocks to help insiders?Oct 14 18:54
josejust logged onOct 14 18:54
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schestowitzAlso 14 18:54
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schestowitzRMS feed (political mainly, but also FS): 14 18:55
josethis piece criticizes the dual-licensing approach. it mentions mysql and oo.o in a negative light (ie, a potential sun attack)Oct 14 18:55
trmancoLinux version 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le (jenny@FD5) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release/MontaVista)) #1 Tue Jun 26 15:49:55 CST 2007Oct 14 18:56
schestowitzjose: related to this there's this one < > where BN is cited.Oct 14 18:56
schestowitzMontaVista at 2.4?Oct 14 18:57
schestowitz"A little related anecdote told to me by an MySQL employee (who’s name shall remain untold). He described how they still haven’t implemented a feature in MySQL that many people have requested, since they according to him don’t want to cram in more stuff in the existing branch but instead are releasing it in the next major release (due to release in 4-6 months or similar)."Oct 14 18:58
josei have no problem if the maintainer of a project gets some advantages.. it's a carrot. If i don't like it.. forkOct 14 18:59
schestowitzI spoke to Phipps and Mickos at the time and it sounds possible, but Sun are still afraid of the backlash. I never liked the MySQL acquisition. It's an anti--Linux move and they want RoI (money from MySQL... big money).Oct 14 18:59
josewe can't avoid that with current us copyright lawsOct 14 18:59
schestowitzMySQL is also a way to sell Solaris and other products.Oct 14 19:00
josemeanwhile, with BSD, there are less incentives to listen to the community and powerful companies can exploit the projects completelyOct 14 19:00
schestowitzSpeaking of copyrights: Google to appeal German copyright decisions < >Oct 14 19:00
schestowitzGreen tech will save the economy?!?! Is he on drugs? "Arnold Schwarzenegger delivered a surprise speech at the Solar Power International conference here Monday night, saying that a sustained commitment to clean technologies can aid the country's economic recovery." 14 19:02
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josethe link takes me to an index page.. where is the actual story?Oct 14 19:07
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tessier_Nuclear power is a clean technology which we need to make a lot more use of.Oct 14 19:15
PetoKrausit's not exactly cleanOct 14 19:15
PetoKrausbut if you do it well, it's mostly harmlessOct 14 19:16
schestowitzjose: maybe it's your IRC client? It works fine.Oct 14 19:16
joseok, i copy/pasted but left out the "l" in "html" thanksOct 14 19:17
schestowitzNuclear energy is fine is you steer away from this guy: 14 19:18
josenuclear energy has some problems. It's fine until it isn't. I think the byproducts might be pretty bad as well. Research is important though if we hope to improve things.Oct 14 19:20
josemaybe we'll eventually be able to use the moon to recycle/reprocess garbage and toxics from hereOct 14 19:21
joseroy, I have always felt uneasy about the 451 group.Oct 14 19:23
joseSome of what they say is ok, but enough is marginalOct 14 19:23
josei'm not accusing anyone. I just don't agree with what they say except maybe 75% (74.2% actually)Oct 14 19:25
joseor 84.2%. I always forget.Oct 14 19:25
schestowitzjose, why did you feel unease? I a =m genuinely curious.Oct 14 19:25
josei'd have to look at a specific pieceOct 14 19:25
joseto point outOct 14 19:25
schestowitzI can think of a few.Oct 14 19:25
schestowitzI went to see if this intersects.Oct 14 19:26
schestowitzBrian met them and then started linking to them like mad in Linux TodayOct 14 19:26
joseohOct 14 19:26
schestowitzWhen I criticise one of their 'attacks' (well, criticisms) of FOSS he defended them in the comments, which is rare for Brian Proffitt.Oct 14 19:26
josetheir links have dropped off a bit recently i supposeOct 14 19:27
schestowitzI trust Matt Asslett though. He was a FOSS journalist, but I doubt he uses Linux.Oct 14 19:27
schestowitzThe problem with some of the FOSS blogs and journa-anallysts is that they don't do as they preach or use what they analyse.Oct 14 19:27
schestowitzI had an argument with 451 Group over their Webcast, which was only available for Mac and WIndows users.Oct 14 19:28
josein terms of coinciding with my views, I mostly would agree with the rankings you put up on bn.. at least as i glance over it and try to remember examples.. i don't pay that much attention to the authors unless they repeat over and over.. not to mention there are quite a few mattsOct 14 19:28
schestowitzThey E-mailed me the slides although I didn't really ask for it, but it still left a bad taste in the mouth. I like SJVN because he does as he preaches, so when he cirticised Linux, I listen.Oct 14 19:28
schestowitzA contrary example would be Dana Blankenhorn, FOSS blogger for ages but not a user of FOSS  (also a Windows users). But that's ZeeDeeNet for you... Ziff/Gates site.Oct 14 19:29
schestowitzMatt Hartley, Matt Asslett, Matt Asay, Mett Mullenweg...Oct 14 19:30
josei don't expect everyone to share my views. you can usually learn something. it does get annoying though when there is a constant push in certain directions in a way that appears to be in disguiseOct 14 19:30
schestowitzAslett (sorry)Oct 14 19:30
schestowitzI keep track of disclosures where I can.Oct 14 19:31
schestowitzjose, did you see the Redmonk incident?Oct 14 19:31
jose?Oct 14 19:31
schestowitzIt was in all sorts of place some days ago, unexpected. Here's the main thing: 14 19:32
schestowitzLater on in IRC I found out some more stuff about them hiring a guy who worked with Microsoft and got a free Vista laptop (some months after  the "bribing bloggers"(TM) fiasco)Oct 14 19:33
schestowitzThe open source feeds are filled with the poison called SilverlightOct 14 19:35
schestowitzMicrosoft did a publicity stunt abusing the term "open source"Oct 14 19:35
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josejust read over your blog entry on redmonk and it hardly said anything offensive towards them.Oct 14 19:38
josehowever, maybe someone will accept the challenge of trying to look over their coverage over time.Oct 14 19:38
josesome analysts/authors/etc simply share views with and respect towards MicrosoftOct 14 19:39
josethey might eventually get paid as recognition or to set the example that microsoft values thatOct 14 19:39
schestowitzWell..Oct 14 19:39
schestowitz.Oct 14 19:39
schestowitzSee Stephens blog (main page)Oct 14 19:39
jose?Oct 14 19:40
schestowitz"Expects more Microsoft" rhetorics... then there's Cote mentioning this too... let me recheck where he worked because I think it's BMC, but I can't recall for sure.Oct 14 19:40
schestowitz"Before joining RedMonk, Coté worked at BMC developing the BMC PerformanceOct 14 19:41
schestowitzManager family of enterprise systems management products"Oct 14 19:41
schestowitzFrom . So I remembered right. He comes from a proprietary software company, just like Mozilla's CEO. But it's the stuff he wrote that bother me. O'Grady is actually very good and knowledgeable when it comes to FOSS/GNU/Linux.Oct 14 19:42
schestowitzNovell to Acquire Managed Objects : 14 19:43
schestowitzSmall company: 14 19:44
schestowitzHaha.Oct 14 19:50
schestowitz"Aaron Fulkerson, founding CEO of the fast-growing open source enterprise wiki provider Mindtouch, says that the 451 report is right on the money." So 451 Group now gets a nod from (former) Microsoft employeesOct 14 19:50
schestowitzFrom 14 19:51
schestowitz451 is probably innocent. But here is group of known shills that do company-funded 'studies' and then offer 'medals. More BS: Frost & Sullivan Recognises Aastra Technologies' Exceptional Growth Strategy Leadership < >Oct 14 19:55
schestowitzNext comes the contract ($$) with  Aastra (or maybe  Aastra  already /bought/ a 'study' from F&S)Oct 14 19:56
schestowitzMicrosoft is muchly involved with F&S, especially in anti-FOSS 'studies'; then, F&S crowns Microsoft "best of <put something here>"Oct 14 19:57
schestowitzAnother summary about 451 Group study ($4000 to read): Oct 14 20:00
schestowitzMiguel already storms this post to defend himself: 14 20:10
schestowitzThe author totally misses the point about making Microsoft the 'standard' though.Oct 14 20:11
trmanco,24897,...Oct 14 20:16
schestowitzThanks, it's already here: < >Oct 14 20:20
trmancowowOct 14 20:21
trmancoyou're fastOct 14 20:21
schestowitz 14 20:21
trmancoand I thought I was giving something new to you :POct 14 20:21
josemiguel dI: But Microsoft in 2008 is a very different Microsoft than the Microsoft that freaked out over the “Linux will destroy Windows” press of the early 2000’s that sent management into panic mode.Oct 14 20:23
joseThe new Microsoft not only has evolved, but the developers, managers and leaders are now integrating into the larger ecosystem instead of fighting it.Oct 14 20:23
schestowitzAlso this < >Oct 14 20:24
schestowitzGood advocacy? :-( 14 20:28
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trmancoloolOct 14 20:45
trmanco 14 20:45
schestowitzIve just looked at Ballmer's Wikipedia pageOct 14 20:46
schestowitzTo repeat what I've just angrily wrote in USENET:  "--Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz ~~ Best of wishesOct 14 20:47
schestowitzRoy S. Schestowitz | Wintendo O/S: which virus do fancy today?Oct 14 20:47
schestowitz | Open Prospects | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8EOct 14 20:47
schestowitzTasks: 168 total, 1 running, 162 sleeping, 0 stopped, 5 zombieOct 14 20:47
schestowitz - knowledge engine, not a search engineOct 14 20:47
schestowitz  End of signed messageOct 14 20:47
schestowitz"Oct 14 20:47
trmancoandOct 14 20:47
schestowitzOops.Oct 14 20:47
trmancololOct 14 20:47
schestowitz"I've just gone to Wikipedia for a reference, but the Microsoft Munchkins (someOct 14 20:47
schestowitzof them paid) have 'brushed up' his profile. Anyway, Ballmer did go to theOct 14 20:47
schestowitzdoctor for a surgery after ripping his vocal chord... as a result of screamingOct 14 20:47
schestowitzlike an ape.Oct 14 20:47
schestowitzMicrosoft is still subverting Wikipedia, turning it to more of theOct 14 20:47
schestowitzWintel 'press'. And I thought there were still some sites out there whichOct 14 20:47
schestowitzoffers truthful coverage and not corporate fluff..."Oct 14 20:47
schestowitzThe vocal chord incident is no longer in Wikipedia anyway. Bill Gates' article aligns with all the 'philanthropy' fluff intended to conceal a liftime of corporate crime, including that arrest that they took off Wikipedia (the shill 'editors' like hAl)Oct 14 20:49
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josejust posted a reply to miguel's postOct 14 20:56
schestowitzGoodOct 14 20:56
trmancowhat post?Oct 14 20:57
ld50 14 20:57
trmancowowOct 14 21:00
trmancoa bunch a M% vulnsOct 14 21:00
schestowitzBrilliant comment.Oct 14 21:00
schestowitzI was gonna post something about pseudo-open-source-something-likey Silverlight 2.0 later (maybe tomorrow)Oct 14 21:00
schestowitzIt's disturbing how much they deceive to make this Web POISON look like some cuddly and benign.. even the name... Silver... lightOct 14 21:01
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schestowitzThere was a time when people didn't know what the big deal was with OOXML. One day people will understand Silverlight, Moonlight. Mono. etc. and then apologise to those whom they vilified for criticism.Oct 14 21:02
schestowitztrmanco: it's patch Tuesday. From memory, 4 are "Critical", 11 in total.Oct 14 21:03
trmancowowOct 14 21:03
trmanco...Oct 14 21:03
schestowitzNo, just normal.Oct 14 21:03
trmancoFirefox 3.1 released + reviewedOct 14 21:03
trmanco 14 21:03
schestowitzBusiness as usual. They sometimes have more critical ones (=your PC can be hijacked remotely)Oct 14 21:03
schestowitzYes, seen it.Oct 14 21:04
trmanco 14 21:08
trmancohave you seen this?Oct 14 21:08
trmanco 14 21:08
schestowitzIs there anything there to show he's paid by Microsoft through some agency/Oct 14 21:11
schestowitz?Oct 14 21:11
trmanconoOct 14 21:11
trmancowell waitOct 14 21:11
schestowitzI have a nice accumulation of busted Microsoft shillsOct 14 21:12
schestowitzHaving more example would help in case of a class action lawsuit against the Beast.Oct 14 21:12
trmancoI don't see any proofOct 14 21:14
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schestowitzMSFT down 5.5% now (so far today)Oct 14 21:30
schestowitzNOVL is down also (2%). The 'recovery' of the market was short-lived (1 day)Oct 14 21:30
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ld50niceOct 14 22:04
schestowitz500,000 of them?Oct 14 22:07
schestowitz450,000?Oct 14 22:07
schestowitzThe numbers seem to vary. This one says 400,000 and I think the Debian site said 425,000Oct 14 22:08
schestowitz "430 thousand electronic voting machines"Oct 14 22:11
zoobabevoting leads to civil warOct 14 22:11
schestowitzWindows makes zombie wars.Oct 14 22:12
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