| twitter | ignore her and let her sink. | Dec 05 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | Damn it, MOG! | Dec 05 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | She's spamming Google News | Dec 05 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | She's reposting the same junk over and over again, so there are duplicated | Dec 05 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | *es | Dec 05 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | She posted it FIVE times | Dec 05 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Does W-E pay her per time she posts (read: "plant" the story as they call it)? | Dec 05 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/... "Waltham software maker Novell posted a quarterly loss of $16.3 million after writing down the value of auction-rate securities." | Dec 05 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | Asay is also being a dick. He's in Utah, so he's propping up his former employer, Novell. | Dec 05 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | Arghhh | Dec 05 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | MOG did a sixth spamming of that pro-NOVL 'article' | Dec 05 16:49 |
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| neighborlee | michael ? | Dec 05 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | No, Maureen O'Gara. | Dec 05 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | SCO/Microsoft shill/turncoat | Dec 05 17:06 |
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| trmanco | http://www.winehq.org/?announce=1.1.10 | Dec 05 17:08 |
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| trmanco | :D | Dec 05 17:08 |
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| trmanco | yay | Dec 05 17:08 |
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| trmanco | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Wine... | Dec 05 17:09 |
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| *schestowitz will drink to that. | Dec 05 17:13 |
| trmanco | LOL | Dec 05 17:13 |
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| trmanco | Tasty? | Dec 05 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.winehq.org/?ann... "Warning: file(http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git...) [function.file]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden in /home/winehq/opt/website/site on line 140" | Dec 05 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | I tried this last month too. | Dec 05 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | This one looks nice: http://www.linux.com/feature/154652 (KDE+Ubuntu) | Dec 05 17:15 |
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| trmanco | what is the problem with that? | Dec 05 17:15 |
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| twitter | I think there's a lot of Wintel Google Spamming going on. | Dec 05 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Look at the chart here: Red Hat climbs after Jefferies upgrade < http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/... > | Dec 05 17:16 |
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| twitter | Censorship by glut. | Dec 05 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Jobs loss chart. Wow. | Dec 05 17:17 |
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| twitter | Yeah, 500,000 last month in the US. Depressing isn't it? | Dec 05 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | It peaked last month. | Dec 05 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Not many people will be fired arounf Xmas (for obvious reasons) | Dec 05 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | They say it will peak in 7 months (that's what my dad read) | Dec 05 17:18 |
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| twitter | No, people get canned before. It's worse to let people hang on and blow all their money. | Dec 05 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Good headline: http://www.slate.com/id/2205952/ | Dec 05 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | When I was a teenager with IRC and ICQ people did this all the time... well,faking identities, gender, etc. | Dec 05 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | I once managed to pull an embarrassing log from my friend by pretending to be some girl... I was about 15 at the time. That new precedence is very dangerous. Everyone gets fooled or fakes at some stage... it's part of being a kid to do mischiefs and pranks. | Dec 05 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Just found this in Groklaw: "You won’t win over any of the hardcore twerps in the boycott Novell brigade. But if it makes your distribution efforts simpler, then it’s a win." < http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/11/26/opens... > | Dec 05 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | JvfaFX is GPLed, as the CEO promised. http://www.sun.com/software/javafx/index.jsp | Dec 05 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | *JavaFX (oops) | Dec 05 17:24 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, friend brought over a very interesting movie last night..ben steins expelled..reminds me a bit actually of ubuntu and how when they dont like threads that might shine them in a iffy light, they thrust them over to recurring..:) | Dec 05 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | That comment from the OpenSUSE blog may explain why the first thing they did is came to BN asking us to write something about it. *LOL* | Dec 05 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Same when they sub-divided Mono into 3 separate chunks | Dec 05 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: what was the scene? | Dec 05 17:26 |
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| neighborlee | scene ? | Dec 05 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Analyzing the Credit Crisis: Was the SEC Missing in Action? < http://www.law.com/jsp/ihc/PubArtic... > <-- the Big Criminals, those that cost the economy and the world the most | Dec 05 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: in the film. | Dec 05 17:27 |
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| neighborlee | the entire movie is about the expelling of scientists that submit works about ID that fly in the face of more 'conventional' wisdom that says darwin is THE theory ;) | Dec 05 17:27 |
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| neighborlee | ID intelligent design | Dec 05 17:28 |
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| neighborlee | is a very must see film | Dec 05 17:28 |
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| neighborlee | I dont agree with ben on other issues, but on this he's spot on | Dec 05 17:28 |
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| neighborlee | http://www.expelledthemovie.com/abo... | Dec 05 17:29 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, oh btw a curious note..ubuntu and fedora are stilll neck and neck on DW..only 7 votes separate them. | Dec 05 17:30 |
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| neighborlee | ok 6 | Dec 05 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, give it another month | Dec 05 17:31 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Dec 05 17:31 |
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| neighborlee | as we infiltrate the monoculture, maybe less so ;) | Dec 05 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | The Mono boosters become regular BN readers. | Dec 05 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | I don't get it... Jo too. | Dec 05 17:34 |
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| neighborlee | perceived threat increases, supporters form a front,,big surprise ;) | Dec 05 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Previously it was Dan | Dec 05 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | As for Alex, he says he came because of Bongo, which is a project he runs (it's a fork of a Novell project called Hula). | Dec 05 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Successor rather than fork, I 'sppose! | Dec 05 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Why do Linux blogs write about that latest attack (press release) from Microsoft? It's From 2007. ;-) | Dec 05 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Running out of material at Microsoft... | Dec 05 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | No defense from Alex et al when this comes up | Dec 05 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | They only comment when they disagree with something. | Dec 05 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | And then pretend that all those anti-Linux 'studies' from Microsoft (and BN posts which mention them) do not exist | Dec 05 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Post #1: "Microsoft attacks Linux"; Post #2: "Microsoft corrupts ISO"; Post #3: "Microsoft attacks Google"; Post #4: "Mono is dangerous because it's Microsoft tech". Then comes the Monovell apologist ignoring posts 1-3 and commenting in post #4 that Microsoft is nothing to worry about and Monovell is cool. | Dec 05 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | What a disgusting article: http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp... | Dec 05 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | "Broadly, single standard is supported by the open document format (ODF) brigade like IBM, Red Hat and Sun Microsystems in India, while multiple standards are supported by technology major Microsoft and TCS, Infosys, and trade body Nasscom etc." | Dec 05 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft & Puppets want their own proprietary format, so articles like that discourage standard and permit the corruption of ISO just be. | Dec 05 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | On the economy (good quotes): http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... | Dec 05 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | China4Linux: http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/12/... | Dec 05 17:53 |
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| twitter | the dnaidia story is right in a way. if you mix multiple standards, you have no standard. | Dec 05 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Exactly. | Dec 05 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft spin multiple standards as choice. | Dec 05 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | They spin like a ballerina and try to confuse the listener. You need choice (between apps, not standards... SHEESH!) | Dec 05 18:07 |
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| twitter | As for the attack trolls, no one reads your stuff like they will. They nitpick every word every day. I like to tell my hecklers that they are my biggest fans. It's a level of obsession that has to be paid. | Dec 05 18:08 |
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| twitter | I wonder how many full time employees are paid to do that kind of work. | Dec 05 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/05/ms-s... | Dec 05 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | OJ Simpson sentenced to 15 years < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/ameri... > | Dec 05 18:27 |
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| trmanco | why do people feed trolls? | Dec 05 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/ame... (Guantanamo 'a stain on US military') Colonel: "We had abandoned our American values and defiled our constitution." | Dec 05 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: who feeds trolls. Some people can't help it, which is s shame. | Dec 05 18:35 |
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| trmanco | I sometimes can't either | Dec 05 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | Just killfile them. [H]omer does and so do I. | Dec 05 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | ""Clown's latest attack on human rights: 10 yeards in prison for publishing information about policemen "likely to be useful to terrorists". This is unjust, not only because it is censorship, but also because it is vague. It seems to be intended to stop dissident groups from resisting the policemen who harrass them..." < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-de... > | Dec 05 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | This is an attack on free speech, not on "terrorism". The government protects itself from opposition and leaks about corruption and such.. | Dec 05 18:37 |
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| trmanco | yeards? | Dec 05 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I don't know how it goes in Portugal, but I'd be curious too. There are some nations that still permit more free speech than others. | Dec 05 18:38 |
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| trmanco | It has changed | Dec 05 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | I occasionally see Portuguese blogs like Rui's where there's criticism of the government's (what seems like ) kickbacks with Microsoft. | Dec 05 18:39 |
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| trmanco | it is ways better know than it was 40 years ago | Dec 05 18:39 |
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| trmanco | yes | Dec 05 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | If you spot it, holler. | Dec 05 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | We need to document this (in English too) | Dec 05 18:39 |
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| trmanco | the pt government is a Microsoft "fanboy" | Dec 05 18:40 |
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| trmanco | I've alreadt talked about that nasty e-escolas program | Dec 05 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the comment here (belated): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/08... | Dec 05 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | Who is this guy? | Dec 05 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | He doesn't even falsify what I wrote | Dec 05 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | Just personal attacks | Dec 05 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozcli... | Dec 05 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | Never seen before. | Dec 05 18:41 |
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| trmanco | another astroturfer | Dec 05 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | Is that a real surname? | Dec 05 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | See search results. | Dec 05 18:41 |
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| trmanco | Bento gago | Dec 05 18:42 |
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| trmanco | Bento is | Dec 05 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | If it's a real person, then it's interesting to know where from.. | Dec 05 18:42 |
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| trmanco | gago is some other name | Dec 05 18:42 |
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| trmanco | gago is garg | Dec 05 18:42 |
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| trmanco | :| | Dec 05 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Recessionary frustration or shillling for the Vole/Megellas? | Dec 05 18:43 |
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| trmanco | http://www.eescola.pt/ | Dec 05 18:44 |
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| trmanco | uh? | Dec 05 18:44 |
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| trmanco | Vole/Megellas? | Dec 05 18:44 |
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| trmanco | http://www.eescola.pt/default.aspx?g... | Dec 05 18:45 |
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| trmanco | here is the most hated guy on portugal | Dec 05 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | Vole=Microsoft (INQ terminology) | Dec 05 18:46 |
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| trmanco | oh ok | Dec 05 18:47 |
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| trmanco | yes may be | Dec 05 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe SweatyB doesn't hate him. | Dec 05 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | Each country has a set of crooks that helps foreigners loot it for self gain that's shared. | Dec 05 18:48 |
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| trmanco | bill gates appears in the video | Dec 05 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | In India it's companies like Infosys. | Dec 05 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | In the US, it's white-collar criminals like Carl Icahn. | Dec 05 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | Bill Gates is in politics now. | Dec 05 18:48 |
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| trmanco | ooo, they show off that aero eyecandy | Dec 05 18:49 |
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| trmanco | oh and another thing | Dec 05 18:49 |
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| trmanco | the cpu's are all intel | Dec 05 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Have there been protests in PT? | Dec 05 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Intel=criminal | Dec 05 18:49 |
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| trmanco | nop | Dec 05 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | Under lawsuits in Europe | Dec 05 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | For bribery and other sorts of corruption. | Dec 05 18:49 |
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| trmanco | bribery :O | Dec 05 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | To give them business is to give a gift to a crook that knocks on your doorstep | Dec 05 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | The business models in some countries actually encourage unjust (or corrupt) conduct as a business model | Dec 05 18:51 |
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| trmanco | they do have a laptop with Caixa Mágica | Dec 05 18:51 |
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| trmanco | it is the highest end laptop | Dec 05 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | They hand each other our 'franchises', which means they endow wealth that comes from the public ('little people') to peer elites. It's a political thing. | Dec 05 18:51 |
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| trmanco | but as far as I know, who buys this will install A pirated Vista on it | Dec 05 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | There are pirates in Portugal? | Dec 05 18:52 |
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| trmanco | of course there are | Dec 05 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200... | Dec 05 18:53 |
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| trmanco | people even love to say that they have a pirated version of Windows | Dec 05 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Magellan should be careful then. | Dec 05 18:53 |
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| trmanco | it is kool to them | Dec 05 18:53 |
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| trmanco | lol | Dec 05 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Does he sail? | Dec 05 18:53 |
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| trmanco | I think so :-P | Dec 05 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | So when they bring shipments of Vista from the US of A, do the pirates take over the ship? | Dec 05 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | And then rape the women and kill the captain to sell Vista in Portugal? | Dec 05 18:54 |
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| trmanco | No | Dec 05 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. | Dec 05 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | So it's not piracy then. | Dec 05 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | You got me there for a second! | Dec 05 18:54 |
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| trmanco | you are screwing with me :-P | Dec 05 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's just counterfeiting. | Dec 05 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | Like BillG likes it. | Dec 05 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not." --Bill Gates | Dec 05 18:56 |
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| trmanco | LOL, this was funny | Dec 05 18:56 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 05 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Happy with the Evolution of Windows Vista Piracy < http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Happy-w... > | Dec 05 18:56 |
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| trmanco | I better start making up a quote file | Dec 05 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, please. | Dec 05 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's effective at spreading messages. | Dec 05 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Start with E-mail. | Dec 05 18:56 |
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| trmanco | don't know here to start | Dec 05 18:57 |
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| trmanco | but I will | Dec 05 18:57 |
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| trmanco | where* | Dec 05 18:57 |
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| trmanco | I wonder what would happen to all those pirated Windows' if suddenly it would suffer a kernel lock? | Dec 05 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | They can't | Dec 05 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | They tried in China | Dec 05 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | They got SUED | Dec 05 18:58 |
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| trmanco | that false 90% market share would go down to 20%? | Dec 05 18:58 |
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| trmanco | what? | Dec 05 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Now China is forcing part of it to move to GNU/Linux. | Dec 05 18:58 |
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| trmanco | who got sued? | Dec 05 18:59 |
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| trmanco | M$? | Dec 05 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Red Flag (probably with back doors for the govt and surveillance). | Dec 05 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 05 18:59 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 05 18:59 |
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| *[H]omer has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 05 18:59 |
| trmanco | red flag | Dec 05 18:59 |
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| trmanco | who develops this | Dec 05 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft sued in China for black screen of death ttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2 008/10/22/china_fury_microsoft_wga/ | Dec 05 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft sued in China for black screen of death http://www.channelregister.co.uk/... | Dec 05 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft faces second 'black screen' lawsuit http://www.theregister.co.uk/... | Dec 05 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Chinese copyright cops diss Windows Nagware http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news... | Dec 05 19:00 |
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| trmanco | so Microsoft doesn't even have control over their OS anymore hun? | Dec 05 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Dec 05 19:00 |
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| trmanco | they got p0wn3d | Dec 05 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | They have competition. | Dec 05 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Zero-cost compettion. | Dec 05 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | This is why GNU/Linux is by far the biggest rival they have had for a long time. Ozzie and Ballmer admit this. | Dec 05 19:01 |
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| trmanco | Ballmer even said it was a cancer | Dec 05 19:01 |
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| twitter | Worrying about Red Flag backdoors in China is like worrying about fleas in hell. | Dec 05 19:01 |
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| trmanco | I have started my quote file | Dec 05 19:02 |
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| trmanco | :D | Dec 05 19:02 |
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| twitter | If Windows was not backdoored by the PRC, you know that the network is watched and policed all the time. | Dec 05 19:02 |
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| *PeterKraus is now known as PetoKraus | Dec 05 19:03 |
| trmanco | brb | Dec 05 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer sure lost nobody to cancer | Dec 05 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | What a tactless fool | Dec 05 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | "Attaches itself like cancer".. Linus had fun with that analogy, saying that it means Linux "spreads" | Dec 05 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Which is good | Dec 05 19:04 |
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| twitter | Did he blither about cancer again? | Dec 05 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | Not spreads like love. | Dec 05 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | Linus: Linux spread like love | Dec 05 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | Steve Ballmer: Linux spread like CANCER | Dec 05 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | IOW, Windows is good, Linux is illness, it's death. | Dec 05 19:04 |
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| twitter | His death. | Dec 05 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | Closed and proprietary = pureness; Linux kills people (according to Microsoft) | Dec 05 19:05 |
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| twitter | I like the analogy, Windows/Whore, Free Software/Wife. | Dec 05 19:05 |
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| trmanco | lol | Dec 05 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | Some reader just mailed me this: "Another point is that there were about 170 million registered voters in the last US election. A brand new macbook costs about 1000 USD. If Gates liquidated the "charity" fund, truly giving it all away, he could buy $N macbooks per adult and rid the country of viruses over night." | Dec 05 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | "Of course, his worth is based on the stock value of MSFT. So there may not be as much to spend as his hagiographers and minions would like the public to believe: http://evan.snew.com/ecgi/gates.cgi... " | Dec 05 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | He's safe from taxation inside the fundation [sic]. He lets the 'little people' pay. The same goes for Microsoft, which evades tax in many ways (BN has many articles about that documented) | Dec 05 19:19 |
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| trmanco | http://howtoforge.com/installing-ub... | Dec 05 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | I don't care much for HTF | Dec 05 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's just howtos | Dec 05 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Not news. | Dec 05 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Timeless. | Dec 05 19:21 |
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| trmanco | I just like the Ubuntu system panel | Dec 05 19:21 |
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| trmanco | it look cool and useful | Dec 05 19:22 |
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| trmanco | looks* | Dec 05 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | You'll notice that I never put howtos in BN | Dec 05 19:22 |
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| trmanco | yeah I know | Dec 05 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | And USENET too... it makes no discussion, either. "hey, nice guide"... "well, you could do it like this"... "Mandriva FTW..." | Dec 05 19:22 |
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| trmanco | I'm going to need HTF to configure a proxy and dns server at school :) | Dec 05 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft knows how to do the first task (configure proxies) | Dec 05 19:23 |
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| trmanco | well | Dec 05 19:23 |
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| trmanco | I know how too | Dec 05 19:23 |
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| trmanco | but what about optimizations | Dec 05 19:24 |
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| trmanco | and security | Dec 05 19:24 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Dec 05 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | It was a joke... proxies... | Dec 05 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | DNS... not so much... Microsoft DNS fix causes trouble for some < http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_... > | Dec 05 19:24 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 05 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | SUBJECT: Microsoft SWI blog inaccuracies < http://www.securityfocus.com/arch... > | Dec 05 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft preps 133 patches for Windows DNS hole < http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3... > | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| trmanco | that is just 1 in about 1000 troubles that M$ has | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft DNS Server Attacks Continue < http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsof... > | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| trmanco | ok 1 in 10000 | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | NEVER let Windows run DNS | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | NEVER. | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| trmanco | no | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| trmanco | Lionux servers | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| trmanco | Linux* | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Attack code raises Windows DNS zero-day risk < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6... > | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| trmanco | got a little excited | Dec 05 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Only MCSE use Windows for everything... and 98% of Windows was shown to be vulnerable by Secunia | Dec 05 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Cybercrooks exploiting new Windows DNS flaw < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-... > | Dec 05 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's advisories giving clues to hackers < http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=167 > | Dec 05 19:26 |
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| trmanco | this last one made me laugh | Dec 05 19:27 |
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| trmanco | hackers :| | Dec 05 19:27 |
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| trmanco | gesh | Dec 05 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | Crackers. | Dec 05 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | And pirates | Dec 05 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... | Dec 05 19:28 |
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| trmanco | loool | Dec 05 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com.au/blogs/unde... (Will the NSW Govt put Linux in schools?) | Dec 05 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Aussie govt: hm.mmmmmm............. are there any kickbacks in that Linux thing? No? Well, we'll go to Ballmer then. | Dec 05 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Weird headline: Nokia Going for Linux Instead of Android< http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-G... > | Dec 05 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Probably meant to say "Symbian", not "Android"... although that's true too... Linux over Android which they avoid, but Android is based on Linux and Java. WTF? | Dec 05 19:35 |
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| trmanco | new Nokia OS | Dec 05 19:39 |
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| trmanco | Nonux | Dec 05 19:39 |
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| trmanco | they will ditch symbian and install nonux | Dec 05 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | They should giddy up. They drop market share like a hot plate. | Dec 05 19:43 |
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| trmanco | I have a Nokia fone | Dec 05 19:43 |
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| trmanco | Its Symbian OS is like Windows | Dec 05 19:44 |
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| trmanco | it gets slower everyday | Dec 05 19:44 |
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| trmanco | need antivirus | Dec 05 19:44 |
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| trmanco | needs* | Dec 05 19:44 |
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| trmanco | which even slows the device a little more | Dec 05 19:44 |
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| trmanco | but, it has a 106Mhz ARM cpu :-P | Dec 05 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | "Hey, Fox, how should we guard the henhouse?" --> http://www.pcworld.com/article/15... | Dec 05 19:45 |
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| trmanco | Rogue bots and social networking: http://www.net-security.org/secw... | Dec 05 19:47 |
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| trmanco | "According to the MessageLabs Intelligence 2008 Security Report, during 2008 botnets were responsible for 90 percent of all spam, and responsible for a rise in the proportion of email-borne malware contained in links to malicious websites." | Dec 05 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | Good news for the GNU: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1549... (Wall Street Beat: Hardware Taking Brunt of Recession) | Dec 05 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | No new PCs = no Vista/new Intel chips | Dec 05 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | SPAM also leads to phishing (a brute-force task) | Dec 05 19:48 |
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| trmanco | oh | Dec 05 19:49 |
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| trmanco | I think I found something here | Dec 05 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | Windows was fine when machines were isolated, but it was not designed to be secure when shared. There's no UNIX-like persmissions systems. It's poorly 'bolted on' (and bloated on). | Dec 05 19:50 |
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| trmanco | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/hel... | Dec 05 19:50 |
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| trmanco | see this | Dec 05 19:50 |
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| trmanco | BBC loves Windows Mac os x, but no love for GNU/Linux | Dec 05 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | In the older days viruses passed through floppies. | Dec 05 19:50 |
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| trmanco | scroll down to "How do I get a news reader?" | Dec 05 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | To this date, USB drives are a risk to Windows because insert=exectute (autorun.inf IIRC). | Dec 05 19:50 |
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| trmanco | and then they offer a box listing some newsreaders | Dec 05 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | Which site? | Dec 05 19:51 |
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| trmanco | yes we at school have a truck load of viruses on Windows because of thos enasty autoruns en usb sticks | Dec 05 19:51 |
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| trmanco | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/he... this one | Dec 05 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | MSBBC is corrupted. | Dec 05 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | That would not surprise me. It lost its integrity some years ago for many reasons and funding will be pulled. it's also to do with non-technological stuff. | Dec 05 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Where are "newsletters"? | Dec 05 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Dec 05 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Newreaders | Dec 05 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Newsreaders | Dec 05 19:53 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Dec 05 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | The media covers products, not tools. | Dec 05 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | $$ | Dec 05 19:53 |
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| trmanco | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/help/3... | Dec 05 19:53 |
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| trmanco | there should be a box on the right side | Dec 05 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | As Asia's PC Market Slows, HP Braces for Difficult Times < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155003/mark... >; http://www.pcworld.com/article/154984/at... ( AT&T Layoff: The Telecom Sky Is Not Falling ) | Dec 05 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | SJVN: "You can say that again. Although, I confess, I can't imagine even the most hard-core Windows CIO recommending that any business switch to Vista. Even Microsoft has given up on pushing Vista to businesses." < http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_ibm_ch... > | Dec 05 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | Beebe strikes back at BN.. http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2... | Dec 05 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/NO_t... | Dec 05 20:03 |
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| trmanco | they portuguese media rarely talks about free software | Dec 05 20:04 |
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| trmanco | I'm referring to TV/TV news | Dec 05 20:04 |
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| trmanco | the* | Dec 05 20:04 |
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| trmanco | see this, Dell mini 9 -> http://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/computa... | Dec 05 20:07 |
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| trmanco | but the OS is XP | Dec 05 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | I've just read the Beebe item. He's just generally against the site, so he's spending lots of time discrediting what I wrote. | Dec 05 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Hopefully we can just get along. Novell's problems are not some pie-in-the-key RMS-like aura thing... it's practical issues that threaten Linux. Making SUSE stronger empowers Novell too. | Dec 05 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | OK, this is stupid: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/... Rather than sitting far from a huge screen people can just sit /CLOSER/ to a small one. This type of thing makes as much sense as monster truck-like cars they have in the US (where bigger is better, unlike Japan) | Dec 05 20:16 |
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| trmanco | http://ooomarketing.blogspot.com/2008/1... | Dec 05 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | BLACK ALL **Inte** ;-) | Dec 05 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | *BLOCK | Dec 05 20:26 |
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| trmanco | http://airlied.livejournal.com/63565.html | Dec 05 20:27 |
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| trmanco | isnt itanium dead? | Dec 05 20:27 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: it's great news | Dec 05 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | i was just reading the whole bugreport | Dec 05 20:30 |
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| trmanco | which one? | Dec 05 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | like... hour ago | Dec 05 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | ATI tearing | Dec 05 20:30 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Dec 05 20:30 |
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| trmanco | I have Xv rendering, sort of, but I had to turn it off when playing video because it would play slow in full screen | Dec 05 20:31 |
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| trmanco | wait | Dec 05 20:31 |
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| trmanco | let me check | Dec 05 20:32 |
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| trmanco | no, if I deactivate XV there is no video tearing but the vid plays slow in fullscreen | Dec 05 20:33 |
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| trmanco | my last statement was incorrect | Dec 05 20:33 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: what card do you have? | Dec 05 20:34 |
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| trmanco | R430 | Dec 05 20:35 |
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| trmanco | its an X800 GTO | Dec 05 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: it's not dead, according to Enderle and other shills. | Dec 05 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | They propped it up for Intel. | Dec 05 20:36 |
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| trmanco | hmm | Dec 05 20:36 |
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| PetoKraus | well nothing runs on it | Dec 05 20:37 |
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| PetoKraus | except of debian | Dec 05 20:37 |
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| trmanco | PetoKraus, what card do you have? | Dec 05 20:38 |
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| PetoKraus | Mobility Radeon X1400 | Dec 05 20:38 |
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| PetoKraus | RV515 | Dec 05 20:38 |
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| trmanco | cool | Dec 05 20:39 |
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| PetoKraus | it's one of the most troublesome chips under windows | Dec 05 20:39 |
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| trmanco | does the OSS driver have 3d support for it? | Dec 05 20:39 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Dec 05 20:39 |
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| trmanco | cool | Dec 05 20:39 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Dec 05 20:39 |
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| trmanco | I wonder why it troubles windows... | Dec 05 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Seems like another BN protester: http://www.fsdaily.com/users/Kletskous/votes (burying stories) | Dec 05 20:40 |
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| PetoKraus | 1000FPS-ish in glxgears | Dec 05 20:40 |
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| trmanco | I never tested glxgears | Dec 05 20:40 |
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| trmanco | just the compiz fusion benchmark | Dec 05 20:40 |
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| trmanco | I get about 150 fps wobbling windows and about 50 rotating the cube | Dec 05 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | >>"I wonder why it troubles windows..." €¿Qué? | Dec 05 20:41 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: my ATI card | Dec 05 20:41 |
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| PetoKraus | trmanco: not a compiz user ;) | Dec 05 20:42 |
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| trmanco | ok | Dec 05 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | ATI? "Ahhh! It's rubbish" http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dcD0CLdVBww | Dec 05 20:43 |
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| trmanco | no it isn't cmon | Dec 05 20:44 |
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| trmanco | Psystar Public License | omg ;O | Dec 05 20:45 |
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| trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/article... | Dec 05 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | IT's just crapple stuff. | Dec 05 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Worse than Linspire's lincence. | Dec 05 20:51 |
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| trmanco | http://wiki.gnewsense.org/For... | Dec 05 20:57 |
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| trmanco | gnewsense on mips :) | Dec 05 20:57 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Dec 05 20:58 |
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| PetoKraus | what for? | Dec 05 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Like any distribution, no? Unless you need a repo | Dec 05 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | GCC is where it's at. Gentoo to the task.. | Dec 05 20:58 |
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| PetoKraus | ah hmm | Dec 05 20:59 |
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| PetoKraus | so basically stallman wants to use GNewSense | Dec 05 20:59 |
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| trmanco | don't know | Dec 05 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | He put it on an Eee PC, IIRC. | Dec 05 21:02 |
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| neighborlee | a bit odd that chrome browser defaults to windows live search ? ;)..are they just trying tobe fair to their competitor product or is something else going on ...does anyone use or know someone who uses live instead of google ? | Dec 05 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Huh? | Dec 05 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Are you sure it's not Google Search? | Dec 05 21:21 |
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| neighborlee | I just installed chrome,,it defaults to live search | Dec 05 21:21 |
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| neighborlee | postiive | Dec 05 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they inherit settings from IE? | Dec 05 21:21 |
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| neighborlee | I had to change it from the default to google | Dec 05 21:21 |
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| neighborlee | just thought it was a bit odd is all | Dec 05 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it's because of IE | Dec 05 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Or... maybe you got own3d. | Dec 05 21:22 |
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| neighborlee | o_0 | Dec 05 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | After all the FUD that Sybmian shot at Linux, they'll receive little support (even Nokia looks at Linux): http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Symb... | Dec 05 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | GM wants to loot the public for its failures... "General Motors insists it needs cash now or it will go bankrupt, and once that filing is made it’s game over, because no one will buy a car from a bankrupt" < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3158 > | Dec 05 21:29 |
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| trmanco | http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/... | Dec 05 21:33 |
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| trmanco | http://www.itworld.com/internet/58856/report... | Dec 05 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | More agitation of the stock. | Dec 05 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | I will probably do a long post tomorrow. I have about 10 references that are new for this one. | Dec 05 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Blech! Winston Damarillo sells out: < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/osb/?p=498 > He should know better. | Dec 05 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Mindless attacks on F/OSS intensify: http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives... | Dec 05 22:01 |
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| PetoKraus | right, so, my RSS count increased to 14... | Dec 05 22:11 |
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| PetoKraus | *subscribtion count | Dec 05 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Sector Snap: Restaurant unemployment < http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/200... > | Dec 05 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | America loses 1.9 million jobs in 11 months < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... >; EMC preps (limited) layoffs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... > | Dec 05 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | You should read this, PetoKraus: Radeon Driver Gets Tear-Free X-Video < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?... > | Dec 05 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Glamorizing criminal behaviour? Did Patent Hawk Violate Contracts In Suing Microsoft? < http://techdirt.com/articles/2008... > | Dec 05 23:10 |
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