IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 13th, 2008

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-12-14 11:48:46 UTC
Modified: 2008-12-14 11:48:46 UTC

SubsonicB	but I abandoned it due to spam as well	Dec 13 00:00
wispy	oh ok roy	Dec 13 00:00
PetoKraus	though i am not using my gmail address at all	Dec 13 00:00
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wispy	you should! it comes with themes now	Dec 13 00:00
wispy	i use a cool beach theme	Dec 13 00:00
PetoKraus	http://www.irc.gjh.sk/paste...	Dec 13 00:01
PetoKraus	that's my mail redirects	Dec 13 00:01
PetoKraus	i collect them	Dec 13 00:01
schestowitz	New: Teacher Confiscates Linux CDs, says "No Software Is Free" < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3... >	Dec 13 00:01
wispy	cool pk	Dec 13 00:01
schestowitz	Reminds me of Jeremy Allison's Land of Nothing for Free	Dec 13 00:01
PetoKraus	it's pretty obvious why i don't use gmail address for sane purposes	Dec 13 00:01
schestowitz	http://www.samba.org/samba/news/article...	Dec 13 00:01
wispy	here's an update about that teacher, roy: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/character-a...	Dec 13 00:01
schestowitz	Seen it	Dec 13 00:01
wispy	ol	Dec 13 00:01
wispy	ok*	Dec 13 00:01
schestowitz	He got even more attention which is good	Dec 13 00:02
wispy	heh	Dec 13 00:02
schestowitz	It raises awareness about stupidity around Free software	Dec 13 00:02
wispy	my sisters used to think firefox causes viruses	Dec 13 00:02
schestowitz	He called me an "inspiration", IIRC :-)	Dec 13 00:02
wispy	who did?	Dec 13 00:02
schestowitz	Ken Starks (Helios)	Dec 13 00:02
wispy	IE is a virus	Dec 13 00:03
wispy	oh him	Dec 13 00:03
wispy	yeah i agree with him roy ;)	Dec 13 00:03
SubsonicB	that's great!	Dec 13 00:03
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wispy	you are pretty cool	Dec 13 00:04
schestowitz	Windows Mobile is called broken: Fixing Windows Mobile <http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10121... >	Dec 13 00:06
schestowitz	Many people sing a eulogy to it	Dec 13 00:06
wispy	it's no surprise windows is broken :P	Dec 13 00:06
schestowitz	And Microsoft has been denying rumours that the next expo will bring a new secret phone from MSVIDIA	Dec 13 00:06
schestowitz	wispy: it's not broken enough	Dec 13 00:06
wispy	people are way more obsessed with apple rumors	Dec 13 00:06
schestowitz	It's not modular	Dec 13 00:06
schestowitz	They need to fix this	Dec 13 00:06
schestowitz	They duplicate work and it's a mess	Dec 13 00:07
schestowitz	Too much of a monsterbuild.	Dec 13 00:07
wispy	ohh ok	Dec 13 00:07
schestowitz	MonolithOS	Dec 13 00:07
wispy	haha monster	Dec 13 00:07
wispy	ahhhh!	Dec 13 00:07
schestowitz	That's what they call it	Dec 13 00:07
wispy	save me	Dec 13 00:07
wispy	:)	Dec 13 00:07
schestowitz	" monsterbuild"	Dec 13 00:07
PetoKraus	thanks for that Helios continuation link	Dec 13 00:07
schestowitz	That's what they call it internally at Microsoft, IIRC	Dec 13 00:07
wispy	lol	Dec 13 00:08
SubsonicB	omg the story of Helios is unbelievable!	Dec 13 00:08
SubsonicB	thanx for the link, i read about the first part	Dec 13 00:09
SubsonicB	sent him a comment	Dec 13 00:09
schestowitz	http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Key_data_cente... More MS poison in Amazon now.	Dec 13 00:09
PetoKraus	yeah	Dec 13 00:09
schestowitz	They already have part of the Microsoft movement ending up in Amazon	Dec 13 00:09
wispy	cool hair	Dec 13 00:09
schestowitz	And now so long ago Amazon started offering Windows as an option.	Dec 13 00:10
schestowitz	They have Valentine too	Dec 13 00:10
PetoKraus	shows you what can your personal armyÃ¢âÂ¢ do	Dec 13 00:10
schestowitz	I have some record of how they 'infect' it... like with Yahoo, but at a small scale	Dec 13 00:10
MinceR	gn	Dec 13 00:10
wispy	ms is destroying the amazon!	Dec 13 00:10
PetoKraus	gn MinceR	Dec 13 00:10
wispy	see ya!	Dec 13 00:10
wispy	oops roy, i g2g to dinner. take care!	Dec 13 00:12
wispy	bye everyone!	Dec 13 00:12
schestowitz	Cya	Dec 13 00:13
wispy	bye bye! xx	Dec 13 00:13
schestowitz	MinceR triggered avalanche :-)	Dec 13 00:13
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schestowitz	All the statistics you could possibly ask for. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/indicators/	Dec 13 00:17
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PetoKraus	"Martina Moravkova just answered the question 'Do you think Peter Kraus is bisexual?'"	Dec 13 00:19
PetoKraus	these facebook apps are getting increasingly creepy	Dec 13 00:20
schestowitz	Haha	Dec 13 00:20
schestowitz	WTF?	Dec 13 00:20
schestowitz	Did a friend send this s*to you?	Dec 13 00:20
PetoKraus	i think most of the apps are hacked, or tools to hack	Dec 13 00:21
schestowitz	I want to get off this thing, but too many people will be offended sob	Dec 13 00:21
schestowitz	The whole thing is built on peer pressure	Dec 13 00:21
PetoKraus	i'd been bombarded by snowballs	Dec 13 00:21
schestowitz	"WHY don't you join? You don't LIKE me?	Dec 13 00:21
PetoKraus	and when i asked some people why are they sending this crap to me, they said, they didn't	Dec 13 00:21
PetoKraus	i had exactly this discussion with my friend yesterday	Dec 13 00:21
schestowitz	SJVN did an article about it... http://blogs.computerworld.com/sorry_im_n...	Dec 13 00:21
PetoKraus	i moved all my pictures from there. It's disgusting what crappy shoots are there. I don't wanna be part of it.	Dec 13 00:22
PetoKraus	i'm using it as a communication medium. Keeping in touch. It's usually open in one tab all the time	Dec 13 00:22
PetoKraus	and yes, pictures of my redhead friend :)	Dec 13 00:23
PetoKraus	i've heard at work, that there's some viruses spreading trough it	Dec 13 00:23
PetoKraus	makes you wonder...	Dec 13 00:23
schestowitz	You have GOT to watch this video: http://current.com/items/88913552/socia...	Dec 13 00:25
schestowitz	Took me 3 minutes to find it for you to watch/use	Dec 13 00:25
PetoKraus	ummm	Dec 13 00:25
schestowitz	Facebook is a survellance facility too	Dec 13 00:25
schestowitz	For friends, FBI, employers, etc.	Dec 13 00:25
schestowitz	I take communication off there if people choose as as though it's the New E-\mail(R)	Dec 13 00:26
PetoKraus	well doh!	Dec 13 00:26
schestowitz	I want my archives on MY computer	Dec 13 00:26
schestowitz	Not 'FB'	Dec 13 00:26
schestowitz	Not some Web 2.0 'cloud'..	Dec 13 00:26
schestowitz	On /my/ PC	Dec 13 00:26
PetoKraus	i asked my mate to give me SSL on my page	Dec 13 00:26
schestowitz	Although it's not private either	Dec 13 00:26
PetoKraus	there's no real reason to do that	Dec 13 00:26
schestowitz	In the UK they also log every E-mail you send	Dec 13 00:27
PetoKraus	it's just... i feel ssl should be used for everything	Dec 13 00:27
schestowitz	Like PGP	Dec 13 00:27
schestowitz	That won't be permitted	Dec 13 00:27
schestowitz	The investor of PGP had the spooks hounding him	Dec 13 00:27
schestowitz	Encryption needs to have some back doors to the elites.	Dec 13 00:27
schestowitz	Remember: Big Brother = responsible people	Dec 13 00:28
schestowitz	You're too stupid to make your own choices	Dec 13 00:28
schestowitz	You need to hold the hands of 'adults' with connections or $$ (translates to other things)	Dec 13 00:28
schestowitz	Here's that video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bk... the link below no longer works	Dec 13 00:29
PetoKraus	the movie is well done	Dec 13 00:29
PetoKraus	i'm in 2nd minute	Dec 13 00:30
schestowitz	Is it the animation?	Dec 13 00:30
schestowitz	I think they changed it	Dec 13 00:30
PetoKraus	what bugs me though, i can't read the FB pages of the people talking	Dec 13 00:31
PetoKraus	too low-res	Dec 13 00:31
schestowitz	I'm seeing that wrong video	Dec 13 00:33
schestowitz	Something about japan	Dec 13 00:33
schestowitz	Very interesting.	Dec 13 00:33
SubsonicB	Social networks dont attract me	Dec 13 00:34
SubsonicB	neither instant messaging	Dec 13 00:34
SubsonicB	I think many people wil regret inserting themselves in FB and other social networks sooner or later	Dec 13 00:35
PetoKraus	it's absolutely perfect for trolling though	Dec 13 00:35
PetoKraus	:)	Dec 13 00:35
SubsonicB	Too many personal information publicly exposed that can be used against you at a given time	Dec 13 00:35
PetoKraus	it depends how you handle it...	Dec 13 00:35
SubsonicB	I also thin anonymous speech is the only way to protect free speech in the net	Dec 13 00:36
SubsonicB	think	Dec 13 00:36
SubsonicB	and of course GPG	Dec 13 00:36
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn...	Dec 13 00:37
SubsonicB	i saw that	Dec 13 00:38
SubsonicB	im not quite into id software	Dec 13 00:38
SubsonicB	i will have a look at openid	Dec 13 00:38
SubsonicB	i find it insteresting to authenticate users in several systems	Dec 13 00:39
SubsonicB	provided you can implement the software yourself and be in control (not relying into a third party)	Dec 13 00:39
schestowitz	Here's the thing	Dec 13 00:39
schestowitz	Microsoft tried this.	Dec 13 00:39
PetoKraus	yeah, nice short video	Dec 13 00:40
schestowitz	Making a password as though we're the nation of Mcirosoft	Dec 13 00:40
schestowitz	OpenID is the way to go for some	Dec 13 00:40
SubsonicB	that is passport	Dec 13 00:40
schestowitz	To give Microsoft identity control is dangerous. It's a dying company without ethics	Dec 13 00:40
SubsonicB	look at what happened in Chile	Dec 13 00:40
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 13 00:40
SubsonicB	it was a scandal	Dec 13 00:40
schestowitz	Blech	Dec 13 00:40
schestowitz	I get angy just thinking about that	Dec 13 00:40
schestowitz	Corruptible officials.	Dec 13 00:41
schestowitz	Microsoft sweet-talked and they soldf out	Dec 13 00:41
schestowitz	See the recent protests in India	Dec 13 00:41
schestowitz	They sell kids to Microsoft child slavery	Dec 13 00:41
SubsonicB	ms-business-as-usual	Dec 13 00:41
schestowitz	(digital shackles... turning schools to training camps)	Dec 13 00:41
SubsonicB	(tm)	Dec 13 00:41
schestowitz	bizniz	Dec 13 00:41
SubsonicB	lol	Dec 13 00:42
schestowitz	Ubuntu tries marketing slogan, fails < http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/130891,ubuntu-trie... >	Dec 13 00:43
PetoKraus	someone likes big cocks	Dec 13 00:45
schestowitz	Goblin: "the extent that Ive been asked if I would like to be a guest on a US radio show." Congrats to him.	Dec 13 00:45
PetoKraus	http://backoffice.ajb.com.au//images...	Dec 13 00:45
schestowitz	LOL	Dec 13 00:46
schestowitz	WHich one is Ubuntu?	Dec 13 00:46
PetoKraus	Joke of the day...	Dec 13 00:47
PetoKraus	anyway, good night. tomorrow's long day, and sunday is long day	Dec 13 00:47
PetoKraus	and i am not even thinking about monay	Dec 13 00:47
PetoKraus	*day	Dec 13 00:47
schestowitz	Ubuntu... it has always been a little queer.	Dec 13 00:47
schestowitz	As in strange.	Dec 13 00:47
PetoKraus	i'm gonna ask you a question:	Dec 13 00:48
PetoKraus	http://tinyurl.com/5wn45a http://tinyurl.com/6m85jj	Dec 13 00:48
PetoKraus	this happened to me once....	Dec 13 00:50
PetoKraus	i took a picture of a stream of water in rocks	Dec 13 00:50
PetoKraus	a week later, my exgf was there with her parents	Dec 13 00:50
PetoKraus	she took exactly the same picture as me, without seeing mine before	Dec 13 00:50
schestowitz	Is this your house?	Dec 13 00:53
SubsonicB	€¿?	Dec 13 00:53
schestowitz	Pisa.	Dec 13 00:54
SubsonicB	lol	Dec 13 00:54
SubsonicB	a pleasure being with you tonight, gentlemen, must retire now	Dec 13 00:54
SubsonicB	quit now	Dec 13 00:55
SubsonicB	:-D	Dec 13 00:55
schestowitz	PetoKraus is like the reverse Borar.	Dec 13 00:55
schestowitz	He comes from a country of wisdom and culture to a place of scooby snacks and circus.	Dec 13 00:55
SubsonicB	take care everyone!	Dec 13 00:55
schestowitz	The place makes no sense	Dec 13 00:55
schestowitz	Hold on./	Dec 13 00:56
schestowitz	Goodd video someone sent me..	Dec 13 00:56
schestowitz	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FWWrOWnWu1E...	Dec 13 00:57
schestowitz	Very much worth seeing,	Dec 13 00:57
PetoKraus	schestowitz: what makes you think it's like that :D	Dec 13 00:57
schestowitz	I was joking	Dec 13 00:58
PetoKraus	well, duh, i see :D	Dec 13 00:58
schestowitz	But you always point out the flaws, rightly so	Dec 13 00:58
PetoKraus	it's just... people here aren't "uncultured" or "unwise" more than back home	Dec 13 00:58
schestowitz	See the video I've just posted (someone mailed it to me last month)	Dec 13 00:58
schestowitz	There's this illusion that life in wealth means wisdom	Dec 13 00:59
schestowitz	Or that speaking English makes one smarter	Dec 13 00:59
schestowitz	But I only know of one nation that's many trillions in debt	Dec 13 00:59
PetoKraus	no, but it's not the other way around either :)	Dec 13 00:59
schestowitz	So the wealth is virtual. Anyway..	Dec 13 00:59
PetoKraus	schestowitz: it's billiards, actually	Dec 13 00:59
schestowitz	I'm probably driving away some people...	Dec 13 00:59
schestowitz	Actually...	Dec 13 01:00
schestowitz	I realise that many here are from the EU	Dec 13 01:00
schestowitz	PetoKraus: the video?	Dec 13 01:00
PetoKraus	downloading	Dec 13 01:00
schestowitz	Watch all parts. It stands the test of time.	Dec 13 01:00
schestowitz	It's an outsider's view on stupid things we do and take for granted.	Dec 13 01:01
SubsonicB	I have a good one to send you as well	Dec 13 01:01
SubsonicB	but not today, its quite hard and I wish you a good weekend	Dec 13 01:02
SubsonicB	thanks for the video roy, seems promising it's bookmarked and will see it fully	Dec 13 01:02
SubsonicB	must go now guys	Dec 13 01:02
SubsonicB	bye!	Dec 13 01:03
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PetoKraus	schestowitz: i just skimmed trough it	Dec 13 01:03
schestowitz	OK, thanls.	Dec 13 01:03
PetoKraus	i'll watch it tomorrow	Dec 13 01:03
PetoKraus	but austria is... well	Dec 13 01:03
PetoKraus	it's hard to say it politely	Dec 13 01:03
schestowitz	Elitist?	Dec 13 01:04
PetoKraus	more like GTFO my atomic power plant!	Dec 13 01:04
PetoKraus	*nuclear	Dec 13 01:04
schestowitz	Minority groups there are very segragated.	Dec 13 01:04
schestowitz	I think many Turks live their, but in isolation.	Dec 13 01:05
schestowitz	*there	Dec 13 01:05
PetoKraus	it's worse in germany, i presume	Dec 13 01:05
PetoKraus	good night	Dec 13 01:06
schestowitz	Maybe. You know what fuhrer came from there.	Dec 13 01:07
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Omar871	schestowitz: There's a typo in your post: "We see the effects of this in the global crisis right now because those [you need a "who" here] are rich are doing fine, whereas those who are poor are marginalised further and forced to pay big corporations in order to ’save’"	Dec 13 01:47
schestowitz	Thanks!	Dec 13 01:49
*schestowitz fixed typo		Dec 13 01:51
Omar871	Welcome.	Dec 13 01:52
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twitter	Disney likes big cocks, http://www.snopes.com/disney/fil...	Dec 13 03:33
twitter	Canonical wants to promote community	Dec 13 03:33
twitter	Not bad for South Africa.	Dec 13 03:33
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schestowitz	MISSING RADIOACTIVITY IN ICE CORES BODES ILL FOR PART OF ASIA < http://researchnews.osu.edu/archiv... >	Dec 13 10:30
schestowitz	http://technocrat.net/d/2008... (GM to Idle 20 Plants)	Dec 13 10:31
schestowitz	GM: Got Money?	Dec 13 10:33
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schestowitz	Is the American Empire Facing Collapse? < http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hx_iCimDEuc... >	Dec 13 11:14
MinceR	r4wr	Dec 13 12:19
schestowitz	"Non-proprietary..." EEE ... "In 2009, Microsoft will continue its gradual acceptance of open source software while at the same time it works to dispel old prejudices against non-proprietary software from within the company." < http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/news/article... >	Dec 13 12:23
schestowitz	MinceR: we need a new logo for corruptible FCC: http://www.pcworld.com/article/155468/fcc_cancels... "The U.S. Federal Communications Commission has cancelled an open meeting set for Dec. 18 after two high-ranking lawmakers asked Chairman Kevin Martin to hold off on some controversial items in the agenda and concentrate on the transition to digital television instead."	Dec 13 12:56
schestowitz	http://www.orbitcast.com/archiv...	Dec 13 12:57
schestowitz	"Stein Bagger, the Danish IT executive who allegedly created millions of dollars in fake contracts for his company" http://www.pcworld.com/article/155459/it_star_ba... Sob stories, excuses... sounds like Madoff... just cared for the family etc.	Dec 13 12:59
schestowitz	450 jobs dropped: Infor Cuts 5 Percent of Its Workforce < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1554... >	Dec 13 13:02
schestowitz	In all cases of corruption, they always have excuses... "I was under threat..." "I was under a lot of pressure" (Microsoft manager found guilty of fraud this year).. "I didn't know what I was doing.." Why does the press even give the sob stories attention?	Dec 13 13:04
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Omar87	Hi all.	Dec 13 14:25
schestowitz	Hey Omar87	Dec 13 14:26
Omar87	Did you read this post?	Dec 13 14:28
Omar87	http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/08/21/...	Dec 13 14:28
schestowitz	Foer Presents AAI Program to Obama-Biden FTC Transition Team < http://www.antitrustinstitute.org/Archi... >	Dec 13 14:29
schestowitz	I think I read that at the time. Actually, I'm pretty sure I did.	Dec 13 14:29
Omar87	It's about 2 or 3 months old now, but it still got some interesting points. :)	Dec 13 14:29
schestowitz	Jordan had some news about VistA last week.	Dec 13 14:29
schestowitz	They deploy FOSS in healthcare	Dec 13 14:29
schestowitz	The US will be last to be pushed into Freedon	Dec 13 14:29
Omar87	Where? in Jordan?	Dec 13 14:30
schestowitz	sadly, however, to many the 'news' is what's in English (ie.e. US industry speaks)	Dec 13 14:30
schestowitz	Same thing in politics	Dec 13 14:30
schestowitz	Yes, hold on.	Dec 13 14:30
Omar87	Cool!	Dec 13 14:30
Omar87	okay	Dec 13 14:30
schestowitz	http://www.arabianbusiness.com/540681-jordan-tri...	Dec 13 14:30
Omar87	Oh, lol!	Dec 13 14:31
Omar87	That's amazing! Except that the name makes think they're using M$ Windows Vista. :D	Dec 13 14:33
schestowitz	I rarely find FOSS news about Jordan.	Dec 13 14:33
schestowitz	Microsoft ruined their name... VistA should sue.	Dec 13 14:33
Omar87	Yeah..	Dec 13 14:34
Omar87	They MUST sue.	Dec 13 14:34
schestowitz	Seee...	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	Microsoft's 'M' treads on US veterans' toes	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	,----[ Quote ]	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| Microsoft is in hot water again for again taking the name of someone else's	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| software for one of its fledgling products	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\|	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| It's emerged Microsoft's M programming language shares the same name as a	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| 30-year-old open language used by the US Department of Veteran Affairs (VA)	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| along with tens of thousands of users in medicine and business world wide.	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| Even the former Soviet Union's iron-fisted rulers and its KGB spooks used the	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| language.	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	`----	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/...	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	Also..	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	Fiji's fury over Microsoft's Pacific solution	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	,----[ Quote ]	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| "Fiji's military government has written to the software giant Microsoft	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| demanding the company not use their country name in any of its products."	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\|	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| Fiji's interim attorney-general Aiyaz Sayed-Khaiyum today released a letter	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| sent to Microsoft's co-founder Bill Gates yesterday, after media reports the	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| software company may call its yet-to-be-released software "Windows Fiji".	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	`----	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/fijis-fury-over-m...	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	The Other Vista: Successful and Open Source	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	,----[ Quote ]	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| The is a clear pattern to open source's continuing rise. The first free	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| software that was deployed was at the bottom of the enterprise software	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| stack: GNU/Linux, Apache, Sendmail, BIND. Later, databases and middleware	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| layers were added in the form of popular programs like MySQL and Jboss. More	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| recently, there have been an increasing number of applications serving the	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| top of the software stack, addressing sectors like enterprise content	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| management, customer relationship management, business intelligence and, most	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| recently, data warehousing.	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\|	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| But all of these are generic programs, applicable to any industry: the next	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| frontier for free software will be vertical applications serving particular	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| sectors. In fact, we already have one success in this area, but few people	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| know about it outside the industry it serves. Recent events mean that may be	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| about to change.	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\|	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| The basic program is called VistA; the name was chosen well before a Certain	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| Other Company copied the move, and the code began life as an electronic	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	\| health records system for U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)...	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	`----	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/other-...	Dec 13 14:35
schestowitz	Microsoft’s credibility turning to junk while Linux revenue grows < http://tech.blorge.com/Structure%20/2008/04/10/microsofts-c... >; Microsoft Plummets, Retail Falls While Beauty Gains in CoreBrand 2007 Brand Power Rankings < http://www.marketwire.com... >	Dec 13 14:36
Omar87	Wow, wow, wow, wow.... and wow...	Dec 13 14:37
Omar87	That's awesome!	Dec 13 14:37
Omar87	So VistA is an open source system?	Dec 13 14:40
schestowitz	http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux... "665 comments"	Dec 13 14:41
schestowitz	"I won't say Ken Starks is a friend of mine but I have met him. He's a good guy on dedicated mission to bring Linux to the people. He is neither pushy or invasive. He brings information to those whom wish to obtain it. That said, I'm surprised his reply email was this calm..." http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Hel...	Dec 13 14:41
schestowitz	The Reasons to Avoid Google Code < http://rm.pp.ru/info/en:re... >	Dec 13 14:42
schestowitz	Vista is open source, yes.	Dec 13 14:42
schestowitz	Not that Vista... the one with capital A	Dec 13 14:43
Omar87	Yeah, it's VistA. :)	Dec 13 14:43
Omar87	Man! That would make a great post!	Dec 13 14:44
Omar87	I'll start working on it right away! :D	Dec 13 14:44
Omar87	Thanks man. :)	Dec 13 14:44
schestowitz	Cool!	Dec 13 14:46
twitter	I know a place where you won't find "vista".	Dec 13 14:46
twitter	http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/zei...	Dec 13 14:46
schestowitz	The veterans behind VistA are still fighting the suppressive regime of the USSAR	Dec 13 14:47
schestowitz	F/OSS offers no kickbacks	Dec 13 14:47
twitter	basically, you don't see M$ anywhere other than hotmail and a 4 hits on msn in the world lists.	Dec 13 14:47
twitter	F/OSS offers all the kickbacks anything else does.	Dec 13 14:47
twitter	a contract is a contract, what you sell does not matter.	Dec 13 14:48
schestowitz	In the past day or so, BN served over 1000 pages/hours	Dec 13 14:48
twitter	cool	Dec 13 14:48
schestowitz	I can't figure out if it's caused by some bot	Dec 13 14:48
twitter	oh.	Dec 13 14:48
twitter	DDoS?	Dec 13 14:49
schestowitz	By Webalizer's definition it's even more... like 1500.	Dec 13 14:49
schestowitz	Not DDOS	Dec 13 14:49
twitter	all from the same addresses?	Dec 13 14:49
twitter	people archiving the site?	Dec 13 14:49
twitter	I've seen a lot of that	Dec 13 14:49
twitter	they pretend to be Google.	Dec 13 14:50
twitter	they usually target the biggest files they can find	Dec 13 14:50
schestowitz	It might be archiving	Dec 13 14:51
twitter	sure, but it's constant and it seems to be going to random Verizon and other ISP users.	Dec 13 14:52
twitter	It's been a while since I looked at logs. I'll check and see what's hot recently.	Dec 13 14:52
schestowitz	Cybercrime to rise... well, duh... but significantly.	Dec 13 14:53
schestowitz	It was in the news on Friday	Dec 13 14:53
schestowitz	Angry unemployed developers can't be good in a fabric that's so full of exploits. Chaos will come, but it may prove more of a deterrent against use of non-*NIX desktops and servers.	Dec 13 14:54
schestowitz	Is this guy from Cisco? http://opensourcejuicer.blogspot.com/2008/12/ans...	Dec 13 14:59
schestowitz	Cystco? D-cisco?	Dec 13 14:59
twitter	ha, here's a cheap hack for mepis.	Dec 13 15:01
twitter	for some reason apt.mepis.org was not answering today. I got "unknown host" can others verify?	Dec 13 15:02
twitter	The solution? I used the internet archive by putting http://web.archive.org/web/20061014... into /etc/apt/sources.list	Dec 13 15:02
twitter	it's slow but it seems to have worked. I love the internet archive.	Dec 13 15:03
schestowitz	Re: "Microsoft revising its attitude toward open source Elizabeth Montalbano, IDG News Service" < http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/12/09/Mi... > It''s about selling proprietary Microsoft stacks. Nothing has changed at Microsoft other than the EEE (divide and conquer strategy). "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches." -	Dec 13 15:03
schestowitz	-Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO	Dec 13 15:03
schestowitz	Serdar Yegulalp is peddling Microsoft's anti-Free software as well ('open source' freeware for proprietary stack): http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/arch...	Dec 13 15:06
twitter	from infoworld, " It's been quite a while since we've heard very much saber-rattling [from Microsoft] on open source" Hmmm, I'll have to scour the usual sources and update the extortion list	Dec 13 15:08
twitter	patent extortion timeline, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/219107	Dec 13 15:09
schestowitz	What idiocy.	Dec 13 15:12
schestowitz	"Been a while..."	Dec 13 15:12
schestowitz	Has Microsoft retracted? No, ti threatened more	Dec 13 15:12
schestowitz	It last did it a month ago..	Dec 13 15:12
schestowitz	[Or two months ago] That's why I don't care about IDG's Wintel press.	Dec 13 15:12
schestowitz	The whole situation reminds me of politicians who sit with MAFIAA member and listen to them because they are "nice people"	Dec 13 15:14
schestowitz	Here you see reporters flirting with drones that ATTACK people's rights and freedom. "But they are polite people..."	Dec 13 15:14
schestowitz	Maybe they should also go skiing with Robert Mugabe sometimes..	Dec 13 15:15
Omar87	schestowitz: Does it seem accurate to say that the proprietary approach is much like the Mainframe system? In that is assumes the only person who can think are the inventor of the technology and the company promoting this technology? Whereas users of this technology are merely dumb terminals?	Dec 13 15:26
Omar87	CORRECTION---> it assumes	Dec 13 15:27
schestowitz	Yes, that's a good analogy I never came across.	Dec 13 15:30
twitter	it leaves out malice	Dec 13 15:31
twitter	and people can edit source code through terminals	Dec 13 15:32
Omar87	Except that, even becoming a mere dumb terminal here is not as easy as it sounds.	Dec 13 15:32
Omar87	Because it requires you to be rich enough to afford the rising costs of patents, licensing... etc.	Dec 13 15:32
twitter	my monitor and keyboard are rather dumb, but my software is free. Mainframes just have more in the loop than my desktop does.	Dec 13 15:33
twitter	The Linux terminal server project is a good example of a free mainframe use	Dec 13 15:33
Omar87	So, poor people are advised either to live in caves, or jump over a cliff and die. :D	Dec 13 15:34
twitter	GNU/Linux was made for sharing and is multiuser. No need for poor people to jump off the cliff.	Dec 13 15:34
twitter	Ladders are being thrown down the cliff as fast as free software developers can make them.	Dec 13 15:35
twitter	the more the merrier.	Dec 13 15:35
Omar87	twitter: Yeah, but that's for GNU/Linux. I'm talking about the proprietary approach in general.	Dec 13 15:35
twitter	So we see the rise in power of "Criminal groups" the CIA is afraid of.	Dec 13 15:35
Omar87	"Criminal groups"?	Dec 13 15:36
twitter	euphemism for anyone not a corporation or controlled government	Dec 13 15:36
twitter	there are real criminal groups, extortionists, non free software companies, but different people have different points of view.	Dec 13 15:37
schestowitz	Like war protesters.	Dec 13 15:37
twitter	opponents of the death penalty	Dec 13 15:37
schestowitz	Euphemism for invasion protester. :-)	Dec 13 15:37
twitter	My favorite analogy for non free software is free software is to wife as non free software is to whore	Dec 13 15:38
twitter	the wife is your partner and friend, nothing is held back and everyone benefits from the relationship.	Dec 13 15:38
twitter	the whore is in it for the money and there is no trust in the relationship.	Dec 13 15:39
twitter	everything is restricted	Dec 13 15:39
twitter	M$ thinks the same way, developers are "one night stands" and "pawns"	Dec 13 15:40
schestowitz	It's all about money and sex at the Vole.. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/15/microsoft-...	Dec 13 15:46
twitter	whores also advertise a lot	Dec 13 15:46
twitter	it's about as raw and intimate as interpersonal manipulation can get - they ask for access to and control of everything and pretend there is no better way to get things done.	Dec 13 15:48
twitter	The book "Storyville" has some very good insights into prostitution and an interesting critique stuck in my mind 25 years ago when I read it. (background, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storyville)	Dec 13 15:51
twitter	A patron said something along the lines of, American whores will always be second rate for the same reason American cars, bread and wines are. It's all business, and the clients don't know any better.	Dec 13 15:53
twitter	LOL, the queen must have been displeased, -> The Storyville blue-books were inscribed with the motto: "Order of the Garter: Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense (Shame to Him Who Evil Thinks.)"	Dec 13 15:55
twitter	Good think I'm not in the UK, I'd end up on yet another blacklist for repeating that.	Dec 13 15:56
schestowitz	Heh.	Dec 13 15:58
twitter	pardon me, the book was called "Storyville Portraits"	Dec 13 16:03
twitter	Oh yeah, to complete the analogy, Windows brings various disease with it.	Dec 13 16:05
twitter	here's a nice page of pictures. http://www.fraenkelgallery.com/artists/ej-bell...	Dec 13 16:18
twitter	can you identify each version of windows?	Dec 13 16:18
twitter	Cairo, never really seen http://www.fraenkelgallery.com//data...	Dec 13 16:19
twitter	the iconic, next version vaporware http://www.sfu.ca/artgallery/imag...	Dec 13 16:20
twitter	XP, stately and dignified http://www.fraenkelgallery.com//data/ph...	Dec 13 16:20
twitter	W2k for the Biz Lunch http://www.fraenkelgallery.com/data/ph...	Dec 13 16:22
twitter	Xbox, cheap thrill, low sales http://www.fraenkelgallery.com/data/phot...	Dec 13 16:23
twitter	Vista, just does not work for anyone http://www.fraenkelgallery.com//data/ph...	Dec 13 16:24
twitter	DOS, Win3.1, you did not really know what you were getting into http://www.fraenkelgallery.com//data/photos/4...	Dec 13 16:26
schestowitz	Same with Mac OS	Dec 13 16:27
schestowitz	Dude, this is NSFW	Dec 13 16:27
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twitter	oh, sorry, I did not see much wrong with them.	Dec 13 16:28
twitter	stuff from history books and art galleries	Dec 13 16:28
schestowitz	And it's not even good NSFW	Dec 13 16:29
schestowitz	I though I'd see Windows screenshots.	Dec 13 16:29
schestowitz	Not antiques.	Dec 13 16:29
twitter	the NSFW antique?	Dec 13 16:29
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 13 16:30
twitter	Only a pervert would run around looking at Windows screenshots.	Dec 13 16:30
twitter	Did you want me to actually find attractive pictures to represent the antique OS?	Dec 13 16:32
twitter	There's something deflating about antique porn isn't there? Something that brings home the reality of the whole thing.	Dec 13 16:33
twitter	exploitation and objectification, like images of slaves in chains or war dead.	Dec 13 16:34
twitter	Those images were made in 1912, I think the copyright is expired.	Dec 13 16:35
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schestowitz	twitter: yes, now we have modern slavery	Dec 13 16:42
schestowitz	There's also what's commonly referred to as "wage slavery"	Dec 13 16:42
schestowitz	It is another form of slavery that people are made blind to.	Dec 13 16:42
schestowitz	Ask someone who was a slaves 100 years ago (or read) if s/he was enslaved... maybe even sweat shop staff... they'll probably tell you that the workers were generous to take care of them and give them a roof	Dec 13 16:43
schestowitz	If you can emotionally or practically injure someone, then expectations change and you can subjugate with the slave's gratitude. Watch what Microsoft did to Yahoo for example... agitation, hubris, and corruption.	Dec 13 16:44
twitter	Some people think prostitution should be legalized. I don't not because I don't think people have a right to offer that kind of service but because it is wrong to demand it.	Dec 13 16:45
twitter	The same thing can be said of non free software.	Dec 13 16:46
schestowitz	What's what they do in the military BTW. Boot camp...	Dec 13 16:46
schestowitz	Call people maggots for months and later they'll be thankful for a bed and a Walkman	Dec 13 16:47
twitter	carrot and stick, the Romans were good at it.	Dec 13 16:47
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schestowitz	Here's the thing.	Dec 13 16:48
schestowitz	People might have a fight worth fighting if they go under attack.	Dec 13 16:48
schestowitz	But to recruit people to invade or occupy countries? No thanks!	Dec 13 16:48
twitter	The Domination series has a good look at what real modern slavery could look like. What we have is not much better, it's a balance of power issue. The more power others have the more enslaved you can be.	Dec 13 16:49
schestowitz	They suffer a lot 'serving' their country while at the same time suppressing others for a living, so both side (but the responsible 'elites') are in agony	Dec 13 16:49
schestowitz	It's like programming for Microsoft... what IS it that you do. Write DRM code? For whom? The MAFIAA or the human being?	Dec 13 16:50
macabe	Every soldier who has seen combat has always been a loser (even if battle were won).	Dec 13 16:55
twitter	Here's another article about M$'s invasion of the free software world and the supposed new peace, http://www.forbes.com/business/forbe...	Dec 13 16:56
schestowitz	I've seen many.	Dec 13 16:57
macabe	People do not understand that "serving your country" is like LAS VEGAS anology. The house has all the odds.	Dec 13 16:57
twitter	I'm looking for recent patent threats	Dec 13 16:57
schestowitz	They use open source puppet for this too	Dec 13 16:57
schestowitz	Their 'send out' open source allies to recommend Microsoft.	Dec 13 16:57
schestowitz	"Daniel Lyons" Oh, come on......	Dec 13 16:58
twitter	yes, he's surely a M$ ally	Dec 13 16:58
twitter	blind	Dec 13 16:58
schestowitz	Watch the comment here (from 1 hour ago): "They did that with the help of lackey journalists and naive or ignorant posters on the Internet." < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/12/microsof... >	Dec 13 16:59
schestowitz	Some people just write based on who approaches them rather than look at the problem at hand or /PROTECT/ the reader	Dec 13 16:59
schestowitz	I suppose one could do an interview with Saddam or write about the Third Reich wanting peace, but why would anyone do that? It's about abusing people.	Dec 13 17:00
schestowitz	bbl	Dec 13 17:13
twitter	there we go, added the recent threats. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/219107 The infoworld article, cited above, that claims M$ has backed off on it's patent threat made me angry. How can anyone forget the Red Hat threat for just a month ago?	Dec 13 19:18
schestowitz	Good page that one... http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/219107	Dec 13 19:34
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twitter	thanks	Dec 13 20:01
twitter	They seem to blast the message out every six months or so. They create a constant drizzle with occasional "big deal" announcements.	Dec 13 20:05
schestowitz	They get hungry and want FOOD.	Dec 13 20:08
twitter	I think it's more a matter of corporate policy, a constant stream of threats to keep their customers in line.	Dec 13 20:11
schestowitz	You have many items missing.	Dec 13 20:28
schestowitz	I could give some pointers, but I'd need to look at the archives too.	Dec 13 20:28
schestowitz	Gasp ripple effects.. "Geneva-based banks and investment funds have lost more than 5 billion Swiss francs ($4.22 billion) in the alleged $50 billion fraud by former Nasdaq chairman Bernard Madoff, Swiss newspaper Le Temps reported on Saturday." < http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServ... >	Dec 13 20:31
schestowitz	You know what this means. The poorer people with bank accounts will suffer from his fraud even if they never invested in stocks. Moreover, mind the bit that says (not news to me) " former Nasdaq chairman"	Dec 13 20:32
twitter	I know, there's a lot missing. Xandros, Linspire and other distributions were threatened and caved.	Dec 13 20:33
schestowitz	twitter: there's no rush in indexing this stuff	Dec 13 20:33
twitter	What I'm collecting is public threats from M$ officials and their shills.	Dec 13 20:33
twitter	No rush, it's fun.	Dec 13 20:34
schestowitz	In fact, that's why PJ is taking a semi-break now. She's fetching OCRed stuff she never had the time to put up on GL.	Dec 13 20:34
schestowitz	They built timelines.	Dec 13 20:34
twitter	Any and all links are welcome.	Dec 13 20:34
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twitter	Uh oh, there's going to be more of this. IMF loans often were immoral. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...	Dec 13 21:34
twitter	" the size of Ecuador's $3.9 billion worth of global bonds -- though four times larger than those held by the Seychelles, the only other country to default this year -- is still relatively small. By comparison, Argentina in 2002 defaulted on a whopping $100 billion in foreign debt."	Dec 13 21:35
twitter	small for us, large for them. Yesterday's $50 billion scandal was more harmful.	Dec 13 21:36
twitter	More Badoff, err Madoff, fall out http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFili...	Dec 13 21:43
twitter	Another Ecuador story http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060108... they want better interest rates.	Dec 13 21:45
schestowitz	Added: http://www.prwatch.org/node/feed	Dec 13 21:52
schestowitz	We should start exploring more broadly... esp. now with so much corruption and lie-telling.	Dec 13 21:53
schestowitz	I just spoke to my mom for like an hour	Dec 13 21:54
schestowitz	I hear about people in the US losing their... errr... things.	Dec 13 21:54
schestowitz	Correa is a buddy of RMS now... Free software guy... they got bitten by FraudStreet	Dec 13 21:55
schestowitz	I wonder how much of his savings RMS lost. He had that prize money tied to an investment plan....:-S	Dec 13 21:55
twitter	oh no. These days, you can't even be a waiter.	Dec 13 22:03
twitter	Remember the deluded investor? Here she is again http://bayimg.com/bAmDdaAbH	Dec 13 22:04
*schestowitz looks		Dec 13 22:04
schestowitz	LOL waiter. How many people go to restaurants.	Dec 13 22:04
schestowitz	?	Dec 13 22:04
twitter	them with jobs go out to eat	Dec 13 22:05
schestowitz	My cousin just sold his Ferrari. I haven't a clue what type of people even buy that stuff.	Dec 13 22:05
twitter	The very rich always manage	Dec 13 22:05
schestowitz	My grandpa is at the Zermatterhof and he says it's empty.	Dec 13 22:05
twitter	I don't have enough money to even look now.	Dec 13 22:06
schestowitz	You know something's amiss when Geneva banks miss $4 billion after the Madoff row and even the Zermatterhof < http://www.matterhorn-group.ch/d... > is empty.	Dec 13 22:06
schestowitz	I met and spoke to a British Minister ther.e	Dec 13 22:07
twitter	Saw Spain had 3 billion Euros in it too.	Dec 13 22:07
twitter	If ATT has it's way, I won't be able to afford to look at web pages from that far away.	Dec 13 22:08
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...	Dec 13 22:08
PetoKraus	company parties 'suck'	Dec 13 22:27
PetoKraus	though interestingly enough, i saw Openoffice boxed with one laptop today	Dec 13 22:27
PetoKraus	it was Dell Outlet system	Dec 13 22:27
PetoKraus	with a nice dvd case with OOo cover and the CD was with printed "image" of logo of OOO as well	Dec 13 22:28
PetoKraus	though it was a 2.* version	Dec 13 22:28
schestowitz	Not many parties this yeat.	Dec 13 22:29
PetoKraus	yeah. They gave me free food and free bottle of merlot	Dec 13 22:29
schestowitz	*year. I go past a place where parties take place every other day. Some days it's not books, _even_ in December.	Dec 13 22:30
schestowitz	*booked	Dec 13 22:30
PetoKraus	:)	Dec 13 22:30
schestowitz	Priorities changed.	Dec 13 22:30
PetoKraus	i can't tell, but your sober typing is more inaccurate than my drunken one	Dec 13 22:31
schestowitz	Red Hat gave to charity and canceled the party.	Dec 13 22:31
PetoKraus	yeah, you're no longer undergrad student in the halls, are you	Dec 13 22:31
schestowitz	PetoKraus: it's a matter of proofreading.	Dec 13 22:31
schestowitz	No, studio apartment.	Dec 13 22:31
PetoKraus	ah well. High ceilings?	Dec 13 22:32
schestowitz	It's not a chapel.	Dec 13 22:32
PetoKraus	ours are quite high	Dec 13 22:32
PetoKraus	imagine standard doors	Dec 13 22:32
schestowitz	Unlike that house you showed the other day..	Dec 13 22:32
PetoKraus	make them higher by 20cm....	Dec 13 22:32
PetoKraus	and add good 2 yards on top of that	Dec 13 22:32
schestowitz	http://tinyurl.com/5wn45a http://tinyurl.com/6m85jj	Dec 13 22:32
PetoKraus	i know :)	Dec 13 22:32
PetoKraus	how's the day?	Dec 13 22:34
schestowitz	Which one?	Dec 13 22:35
PetoKraus	well, it's still saturday, isnae it?	Dec 13 22:36
schestowitz	Days are short. Just 8 hours.	Dec 13 22:37
PetoKraus	that's a new one	Dec 13 22:37
schestowitz	If I go to sleep before 2AM I wake up in darkness (phui)	Dec 13 22:37
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twitter	The other day, I wondered what an exchange between India and Pakistan would do. Physics Today was nice enough to give me an answer:	Dec 13 23:42
twitter	http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/T...	Dec 13 23:42
twitter	ugly isn't it?	Dec 13 23:42
twitter	The Economist recommends GNU/Linux for netbooks http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displa...	Dec 13 23:48
twitter	this is a no brain decision for people who know GNU/Linux but very good to see in the general press	Dec 13 23:49
schestowitz	Oooh. I miised that one, thanls.	Dec 13 23:52
*PetoKraus np: Chewin' the Fat 1x06 - Blow Below the Belt		Dec 13 23:54
PetoKraus	hilarious	Dec 13 23:55

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