| anivar | schestowitz: done | Jan 14 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Brilliant! | Jan 14 18:54 |
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| anivar | BTW Let me dig on some more links for Nov | Jan 14 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | OK, excellent | Jan 14 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | I've edited your picks in the mean time | Jan 14 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | This gives a lot of ammunition for FOSS advocates to show corruption in Microsoft deal or even sue those who are responsible using antrust laws | Jan 14 18:56 |
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| tessier_ | So much to do. Where to start? | Jan 14 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | My cousin: "All of Europe is down today, as is the U.S. The U.K. and Ireland are off about 5% each. It's no surprise!" | Jan 14 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | "It is my feeling that Obama will modify some of Bush's programs to make them look new and innovative, but we will be seeing the same old stuff in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, the economy, health care, the environment. And I predict the $800 billion dollar bailout will be an aspirin but hardly a cure." | Jan 14 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | "And corruption never dies...Timothy Geithner, the man Obama selected to be future Treasury secretary, "forgot" to pay his income tax of $30,000.00 dollars. It's like a prospective appointee as attorney-general "forgetting" he spent time in jail for theft." | Jan 14 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: I've got time :-) I have almost 50 more in the pipeline. It grows faster than I can manage to post | Jan 14 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Doug picks out the smoking gun | Jan 14 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | And other people send pointers too | Jan 14 18:58 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: They (Microsoft's Project Shiksha) partnered with another state Called andhra Pradesh in 2004 http://www.blonnet.com/2004/01/15... | Jan 14 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | iTunes Songs Don't Have DRM, But They Contain Your Email Address < http://techdirt.com/articles/200901... > | Jan 14 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | anivar: good, I'll add it | Jan 14 19:02 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: This news clearly says about It was announced during Bills 2003 Dec Visit | Jan 14 19:03 |
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| anivar | http://sify.com/finance/fullstor... | Jan 14 19:03 |
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| anivar | . | Jan 14 19:04 |
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| anivar | Launched in India in December 2003 by Bill Gates, Chairman, Microsoft Corporation, 'Project Shiksha' has a target of reaching out to 80,000 teachers by this year-end, a period of five years. | Jan 14 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | The Ethical (And Mathematical) Dilemma Of Madoff Investors Who Took Some Money Out < http://techdirt.com/articles/200901... > | Jan 14 19:04 |
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| anivar | The letter says about Bills Visit in Nov 2003 | Jan 14 19:04 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: Until a year ago I owed $20k in taxes from 3 years prior. I would have the same problem. It was a mistake on the IRS's part which I eventually got them to see but I'm sure political hay would still be made of it. | Jan 14 19:05 |
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| tessier_ | Actually it was a mistake on a former employers part. "That's what they all say" the IRS says. It was hard to prove otherwise. Took a couple years. | Jan 14 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | Compensation for trouble? | Jan 14 19:05 |
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| tessier_ | Got me a couple tax liens on my credit report and various other things which I didn't deserve. | Jan 14 19:06 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: It covers 10 states | Jan 14 19:06 |
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| tessier_ | Compensation for trouble? As if. My compensation was not being ruined by it. | Jan 14 19:06 |
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| anivar | Another quote from above link | Jan 14 19:06 |
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| anivar | Under the project, run in partnership with state governments, Microsoft India currently has MoUs with 10 states for 11 academies, offering a spectrum of education resources, including tools, programmes, and practices with an aim to promote the use of IT in education. | Jan 14 19:06 |
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| anivar | This news is from 2008 | Jan 14 19:06 |
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| anivar | http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/aug/0... Another state | Jan 14 19:08 |
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| anivar | LJ Story | Jan 14 19:08 |
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| anivar | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6452 | Jan 14 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | "Wednesday, 16 January , 2008"?? | Jan 14 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | It should say 145 | Jan 14 19:09 |
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| schestowitz | *14 | Jan 14 19:09 |
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| anivar | During his trip, Gates downplayed the challenge Microsoft faces from GNU/Linux. But one thing seems clear: the Microsoft emphasis on education and localization is aimed at taking on fields where GNU/Linux campaigners have been working already, areas where they have accumulated appreciable interest. | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | Handouts | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | In India, the Microsoft Corporation chairman outlined a long list of monetary handouts. | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | * | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | $20 million to develop India's Shiksha edtech training programme (which has an ambitious target of training more than 80,000 teachers and 3.5 million students over several years); | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | * | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | $1 million to MIT's Media Lab Asia project; | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | * | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | a $25 million, five-year grant for a children's vaccine programme against Hepatitis B in the southern Andhra Pradesh state; and | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | * | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | $100 million to battle AIDS in India. | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | from LJ | Jan 14 19:10 |
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| anivar | , 16 January , 2008, what is the issue. we are in 2009 man | Jan 14 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Added | Jan 14 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, oops | Jan 14 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't pay attention to year | Jan 14 19:12 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: BTW there is a mistake in SIFy report. Visit of Bill gates was on Nov 2002 Not 2003 | Jan 14 19:12 |
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| anivar | LJ reports it Correctly | Jan 14 19:12 |
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| anivar | I remember it | Jan 14 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Jan 14 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | I'll probably post this tomorrow | Jan 14 19:13 |
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| anivar | Read the LJ eport | Jan 14 19:13 |
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| anivar | It clearly points | Jan 14 19:13 |
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| anivar | That Gates' approach is clearly linked to the growing GNU/Linux campaigns in India is more than clear. Rajesh Mahapatra, writing for the Associated Press, commented, "Hoping to stave off a rise in the popularity of free, open-source software, Microsoft Corp. chairman Bill Gates has announced a $400-million-US investment in India." He went on to say, "The three-year initiative--part philanthropy, part business boost--seeks to entrench products of th | Jan 14 19:13 |
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| anivar | e world's dominant software company in schools and among India's multitude of talented programmers." | Jan 14 19:13 |
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| anivar | During his trip, Gates sought to underplay India's increased support for GNU/Linux. He argued that Microsoft's Windows remains far ahead of its competition. But the Associated Press reports otherwise: "Indian software companies are increasingly opting for Linux. Users say they prefer the open-source system because its basic code is non-proprietary, can be freely modified and makes better sense for the developing world than Windows." | Jan 14 19:13 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: The LJ story Quotes FSF India's works & Its response to Gates Visit | Jan 14 19:15 |
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| anivar | The same person mentioned in the report Arun M (secretry of FSF India ) iw now thrown out from special officer Post of ICFOSS (International Center to Promote FOSS) | Jan 14 19:17 |
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| anivar | in Kerala | Jan 14 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Jan 14 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | I'm adding all this? | Jan 14 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | Can you mail me the text of the PDF? | Jan 14 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | This will hopefully be comprehensive enough a page for reference with pointers to other relevant stuff | Jan 14 19:20 |
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| *schestowitz just got distracted by E-mail and stuff | Jan 14 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if I should quite tracking the news and just do Comes (Iowa) all the time | Jan 14 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | . | Jan 14 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | Top execs from Sling Media reportedly leaving < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/de... > | Jan 14 19:21 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: Mailed | Jan 14 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Ta | Jan 14 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | ACK | Jan 14 19:21 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: take your time to compile it well | Jan 14 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Jan 14 19:25 |
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| anivar | Edgi story is being Covered in Kerala Media | Jan 14 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks a lot | Jan 14 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | I saw that | Jan 14 19:25 |
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| anivar | 2 daily's covered it | Jan 14 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Praveen (??) sent me this | Jan 14 19:25 |
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| anivar | One in Local Language & one in English | Jan 14 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | I'll try to get it sorted out now and post tomorrow | Jan 14 19:25 |
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| anivar | Praveen is an active guy | Jan 14 19:26 |
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| anivar | ok | Jan 14 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Someone just mailed me dirt on BECTAsoft. | Jan 14 19:26 |
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| anivar | And One weekly will do a Cover story next week | Jan 14 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | The text is splendid, thank you. | Jan 14 19:26 |
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| anivar | ok] | Jan 14 19:26 |
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| anivar | i am leaving | Jan 14 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | I'll add bld face where suitable | Jan 14 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | np, cvya soon | Jan 14 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | *ccya | Jan 14 19:27 |
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| *anivar is sleepy | Jan 14 19:27 |
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| PetoKraus | so windows 7b | Jan 14 19:31 |
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| PetoKraus | oh well oh well! | Jan 14 19:32 |
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| PetoKraus | it was so boring, that two of my colleagues left | Jan 14 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | and i ended up doing the review alone | Jan 14 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | Boring? No entertaining bugs? | Jan 14 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | there were! | Jan 14 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | No wow? | Jan 14 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | but they were running quite slow | Jan 14 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Jan 14 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | actually, the shell has nice feature | Jan 14 19:34 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm gonna do a binding like that myself | Jan 14 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | Tell Microsoft.. they'll say "it's just a beta" | Jan 14 19:35 |
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| MinceR | according to index.hu, it's already slower than the prebeta and eats more power | Jan 14 19:36 |
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| MinceR | about on par with vista1 | Jan 14 19:36 |
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| trmanco | ... | Jan 14 19:36 |
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| PetoKraus | to cut it short, it wasn't actually THAT slow | Jan 14 19:36 |
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| PetoKraus | i thought it'd barely run on that thing | Jan 14 19:36 |
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| PetoKraus | it wasn't debian, but was on par with XP | Jan 14 19:37 |
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| trmanco | as some wise people say, it is just vaporware, it is vista with more lipstick on it to cover up DRM | Jan 14 19:37 |
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| trmanco | XP is old | Jan 14 19:37 |
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| PetoKraus | though driver compatibility - pfft! wireless - no chance. Graphics - no chance. Audio - no chance. Lan - took three restarts to get static IP working. | Jan 14 19:37 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Wow | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| trmanco | did you get any BSoD? | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Like Linux.. | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | In 2998 | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: not really | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | 1998 | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| tessier_ | 1998...those were the good ol' days.... | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Welcome to Mcirosoft Windows | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | it was actually same as XP | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | though at least | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| trmanco | How do you wanna get old today? | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| PetoKraus | the drivers from vendors on XP worked | Jan 14 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | They's why they run around projects like VLC. | Jan 14 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | getting people to make up for their incompetence. | Jan 14 19:39 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, they got there a little late | Jan 14 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | They change APIs and all to actually be more robust/secure | Jan 14 19:39 |
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| trmanco | VLC already ran way before that MS guy got in contact with them | Jan 14 19:39 |
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| PetoKraus | UAC was the most terrible thing they did (remember, i'm comparing with XP) | Jan 14 19:39 |
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| PetoKraus | they block you an application | Jan 14 19:39 |
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| trmanco | it is still terrible | Jan 14 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | but if you click on another app | Jan 14 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | the UAC window doesn't lock the screen | Jan 14 19:40 |
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| trmanco | the say UAc on 7 is less annoying, can you confirm? | Jan 14 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | but creates a icon on taskbar | Jan 14 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | which dims in and out | Jan 14 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | so you fucking wait for something | Jan 14 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | and it doesnt happen! | Jan 14 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | because your UAC which was supposed to lock the screen | Jan 14 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | is dismissed down! | Jan 14 19:41 |
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| trmanco | |May I shutdown?| *Allow* *Disallow* | Jan 14 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | also, the user you create at install time | Jan 14 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | is admin. | Jan 14 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | FFS | Jan 14 19:42 |
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| trmanco | it is always like that | Jan 14 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | why?! | Jan 14 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | does linux have it like that? | Jan 14 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | no! | Jan 14 19:42 |
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| trmanco | well, they don't really think | Jan 14 19:42 |
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| trmanco | It is a "feature" on Windows | Jan 14 19:43 |
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| trmanco | ask them, you will see what they say | Jan 14 19:43 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Jan 14 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway | Jan 14 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | off for couple of pints | Jan 14 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | ttyl lads! | Jan 14 19:45 |
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| PetoKraus | and wish me luck editing the two hours of footage | Jan 14 19:45 |
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| PetoKraus | :/ | Jan 14 19:45 |
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| trmanco | good luck, cya | Jan 14 19:46 |
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| Omar87 | http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/14/first-patch-for... | Jan 14 19:52 |
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| trmanco | so Windows can't play DRM media? | Jan 14 20:00 |
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| trmanco | they can't even get mp3 playback right | Jan 14 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | Cya, PetoKraus | Jan 14 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | tessier, Omar87 that'll get the DRM perpetrators talking | Jan 14 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | So we're doing a post tomorrow which the Indian press might pick (again), so it would be invaluable to include more dirt, which someone has just sent me. As you may know, I wrote extensively about Microsoft's funny business in the financial area. There's more to it in India too. | Jan 14 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | New' education' scam noted: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic... It's about lock-in, not education | Jan 14 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit... "That's not necessarily a bad thing: if the Qt saga shows anything, it is that the free software world thrives on competition. It was Qt's licence issues that led to the creation of GNOME, and GNOME's choice of licence that moved Qt progressively closer to the GNU GPL and now the GNU LGPL." | Jan 14 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | So Glyn is not enthus'ed about it | Jan 14 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | Brit porn filter censors 13 years of net history < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/14/... > | Jan 14 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | Buggers. They block Alexa now? | Jan 14 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | "Four weeks after birthing a nationwide Wikipedia edit ban, Britain's child porn blacklist has led at least one ISP to muzzle the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine - an 85 billion page web history dating back to 1996." | Jan 14 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | "The IWF has now said that it has indeed blacklisted images housed by the Internet Archive. But its guidelines say that blacklisted URLs "are precise web pages" chosen so that "the risk of over blocking or collateral damage is minimised." " | Jan 14 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | 156 comments | Jan 14 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/... " | Jan 14 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Novell's deal and insinuation have a direct effect on ALL Linux users, distros and developers. | Jan 14 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | You can not trust someone who claims to be your partner and works with you on software and at the same time insinuate that all those partners are illegal and that it is because it paid the extortion demands." | Jan 14 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Another article on SCO: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/27289... | Jan 14 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Review of BetaVista7 (it's horrible): Diving Headfirst into Windows Beta 7 http://www.pcworld.com/article/15704... | Jan 14 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | "I take the Windows 7 Beta plunge and find the waters a bit choppy. [...] Daemon Tools? Won't even install." | Jan 14 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | Like PetoKraus wrote, it apparently functions/interacts with very few things | Jan 14 21:36 |
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| curveball2000 | schestowitz, dunno, fine so far here. | Jan 14 21:43 |
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| curveball2000 | schestowitz, Ive not installed TONS of things, but so far , so good. | Jan 14 21:44 |
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| curveball2000 | schestowitz, though a few times yes, Ive had to use 'compat mode' wizard | Jan 14 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | I never used Vista, so I don't know.. | Jan 14 21:44 |
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| curveball2000 | schestowitz, would I rather be using linux fulltime for all my needs, a resounding yes, but atm thats impossible. ;) | Jan 14 21:44 |
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| MinceR | combat mode! | Jan 14 21:44 |
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| curveball2000 | lol | Jan 14 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | I never use Windows in general, but when I was younger I did.. | Jan 14 21:44 |
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| curveball2000 | MinceR, there is that ;) | Jan 14 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | Do the Finish. | Jan 14 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | "Finish him [this app]" | Jan 14 21:45 |
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| curveball2000 | schestowitz, honestly games hold me back | Jan 14 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | I don't play games anymore | Jan 14 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Some people would just purchase a Wii | Jan 14 21:46 |
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| curveball2000 | schestowitz, I have way too many friends ( one mainly ) for whom linux is not an option..at least I dont think , i'd have to try a bit hard with wine maybe and see what unveils itself ;) | Jan 14 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | If one needs to pay for games anyway.. | Jan 14 21:46 |
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| curveball2000 | schestowitz, wii is solid yup | Jan 14 21:46 |
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| curveball2000 | hehe | Jan 14 21:46 |
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| MinceR | even if you have windows-only games, you can dual-boot | Jan 14 21:46 |
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| curveball2000 | and I do | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| curveball2000 | I just sadly rarely go into linux | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| MinceR | (in this case i mean "won't run with wine, cedega or crossover gaming" by "windows-only") | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Oh wait | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | curveball2000: neighborlee | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| MinceR | (and not in a vm either) | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | OK, that makes sense now | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | I though he was /too/ similar | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | *thought | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| curveball2000 | schestowitz, gosh man your getting slow | Jan 14 21:47 |
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| curveball2000 | :) | Jan 14 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | When did this happen | Jan 14 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | What happened to the neighbour and when did you carev his balls? | Jan 14 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | *carve | Jan 14 21:48 |
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| curveball2000 | ROFL | Jan 14 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | *would be worse if the typo went like "crave" | Jan 14 21:48 |
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| *curveball2000 is now known as neighborlee | Jan 14 21:48 |
| neighborlee | doubleROFL | Jan 14 21:48 |
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| neighborlee | you are major naughty mr schestowitz LOL | Jan 14 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Naaa.. | Jan 14 21:48 |
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| neighborlee | not that I dont love it, on some, naughty level myself <ha-ha> | Jan 14 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | I was gonna say "what did you do to the real one?" | Jan 14 21:49 |
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| neighborlee | you asked for it,,now take it like a erahm,,man ;) | Jan 14 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | But curving a ball soinded better | Jan 14 21:49 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Jan 14 21:49 |
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| neighborlee | indeed it did har ;) | Jan 14 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing another BECTA post | Jan 14 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Those crooks are verywhere | Jan 14 21:49 |
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| neighborlee | wth is th at | Jan 14 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | The nice thing is, the more we document in BN, the more links I can find and present | Jan 14 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | You could draw up a 'crony chart' | Jan 14 21:50 |
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| neighborlee | what is becta | Jan 14 21:50 |
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| MinceR | lol crave | Jan 14 21:50 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Jan 14 21:50 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, why is jose getting into these LONG diatribes with alex, we already know mono and moonlight are encumbered,,he's wasting his time | Jan 14 21:52 |
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| neighborlee | which is prob. what they want o_0 | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| jose | dfasf | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| jose | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090114/bs_n... | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| neighborlee | o_0 | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| MinceR | fgsfds | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| jose | aapl halted in after hours trading | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| neighborlee | lool | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| jose | jobs takes leave of absence | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| MinceR | yay | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| MinceR | time for apple to die | Jan 14 21:53 |
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| jose | alex is indirectly helping me clarify and discover some details | Jan 14 21:54 |
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| neighborlee | oh yes steve indeed.. | Jan 14 21:54 |
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| neighborlee | I saw that yesterday,,he sure does look ill | Jan 14 21:54 |
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| neighborlee | jose, I hope your right ;) | Jan 14 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: read this: | Jan 14 21:55 |
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| neighborlee | jose, you sure do your part ill give you that,,over and above the call of duty ;) | Jan 14 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/... | Jan 14 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Tell me wot you think! :-) | Jan 14 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, jose | Jan 14 21:55 |
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| jose | hey... neighborlee: just trying to help bn and others out | Jan 14 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: what if not only Apple dies? | Jan 14 21:56 |
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| jose | hey was to schestowitz | Jan 14 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | You know.. | Jan 14 21:56 |
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| jose | "hey" was to schestowitz | Jan 14 21:56 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: you know i won't mind :> | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | jose: should I reply to Alex more? | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | He's like some angry heckler | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| jose | ideally i'd do a write up | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| jose | that's from my pov | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, I love quote at top ;) | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | It's draining efforts that can be used to do new posts. | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| jose | not sure what to recommend others do | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: thanks. | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Tell me about typos too | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Or lack of clarify | Jan 14 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | jose: if you want to do "guest post", then mail me. | Jan 14 21:58 |
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| jose | clarity | Jan 14 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | You are very credible in my eyes | Jan 14 21:58 |
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| jose | k thnx | Jan 14 21:58 |
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| jose | well, i'll try to assume I won't exactly be believed by everyone reading | Jan 14 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | You can weave in some of the stuff from the comments | Jan 14 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's a big page (like a soft cover handbooks), so I doubt many will keep track | Jan 14 21:58 |
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| jose | i'll see.. let's not count the chickens before they're hatched | Jan 14 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat's CEO stepped down a year ago also for 'health reasons' in family | Jan 14 21:59 |
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| jose | it has a lot of sections I will likely be looking at again perhaps to reuse | Jan 14 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | One year later Red Hat still does alright. | Jan 14 21:59 |
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| jose | jobs is appl | Jan 14 21:59 |
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| jose | to a greater extent anyway | Jan 14 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Call me cynical, but I never trust what ANY company says in its financial 'results' | Jan 14 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's a sector of crooks | Jan 14 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Accountants and all. Cheating is the norm there. | Jan 14 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | jose: yes, without Jobs, the mnotivation of his fans is gone | Jan 14 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | Unlike Gates, a leave for him would mean no work | Jan 14 22:00 |
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| jose | well i'm curious about the motivation of this stockholders | Jan 14 22:00 |
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| MinceR | well, they could still mass-produce shiny crap with an apple logo | Jan 14 22:00 |
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| MinceR | ;) | Jan 14 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | Gates is still working like a workaholic full time (100+ hours/week I bet) | Jan 14 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | Gates just concentrated on things like bribery and corruption now, operating under the umbrella of money for 'good' causes | Jan 14 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Engraves onto it" | Jan 14 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | They should try that on a sandwich. | Jan 14 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | A $1 hotdog turns to a $10 iDog | Jan 14 22:02 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, it looks fine roy. | Jan 14 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jan 14 22:03 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, and we wonder why they see linux as a cancer ;) | Jan 14 22:03 |
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| neighborlee | np | Jan 14 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | yes, I have lots more to show | Jan 14 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | I'll need to abbreviate a lot though | Jan 14 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Cause Comes leads me to neglecting other CURRENT events | Jan 14 22:04 |
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| neighborlee | jose, sorry I spoke about you in 3rd as I dont see you chat here much I guess, trust me now Im clearly aware I can speak directly to you <eesh> | Jan 14 22:06 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, free vs not free..its all about control and we're not talking about just companies and software sadly. | Jan 14 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | This is colonialism | Jan 14 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Not just ins/w | Jan 14 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | But as people who are proficient in software in a world that's incresingly digital, it's possible to make a difference | Jan 14 22:07 |
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| jose | neighborlee, I know. .. what happened with me was that i replied to you and immediately replied to roy | Jan 14 22:08 |
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| jose | it came out confusing | Jan 14 22:08 |
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| jose | neighborlee, when you say that about alex, i had just dropped in.. haven't dropped in for weeks. | Jan 14 22:09 |
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| neighborlee | jose, ah ok yes ic | Jan 14 22:09 |
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| jose | of course, i timed it perfectly on purpose.. P | Jan 14 22:09 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Jan 14 22:09 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, they clearly should be concerned,,their days of a controlling mechanism are hugely numbered ;) | Jan 14 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, margins gone | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Watch sub-notebooks.. | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | $5 Windows.. | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| neighborlee | heh | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Office given to students for bucks.. | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Google Docs is there... | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| neighborlee | no surprise | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | OOo on broadband... | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | They shiver and executives jump ship | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | They know what's coming | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Corrupt exclusionary deals are all they have left | Jan 14 22:12 |
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| neighborlee | I was elated to see ODF as option in wordpad.though sure its not clear unless you choose 'other fomats' but still ;) | Jan 14 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | I can't wait to 'leak' the analyst dirty tricks too | Jan 14 22:13 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Jan 14 22:13 |
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| neighborlee | honesty its too bad they dont just sit back and innovate and leave software in the hands of those that create and share for the betterment of humanity | Jan 14 22:14 |
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| neighborlee | but that would be too hard ;) | Jan 14 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Few companies do this | Jan 14 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Software, like art, is to be commoditised | Jan 14 22:14 |
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| neighborlee | of course | Jan 14 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Watch what Al Jazeera just did... CC for all the content | Jan 14 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | They are ahead of the world in that sense. | Jan 14 22:14 |
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| neighborlee | missed that apparantly | Jan 14 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Some idiots guard their film cellars, so nobody has interest in it. | Jan 14 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Those who share thrive | Jan 14 22:15 |
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| neighborlee | ive been tuned into msnbc lately,,and the mess the burris thing has become etc... | Jan 14 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Newspaper that block non-subs are dying too | Jan 14 22:15 |
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| neighborlee | newpapers in general | Jan 14 22:15 |
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| neighborlee | course we saw that coming ;) | Jan 14 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.co... | Jan 14 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | Scarcity is created when production is costly | Jan 14 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | Like printing machines | Jan 14 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Or setting up a concert with musicians playing instruments | Jan 14 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | The MAFIAA tried to maintain old methods of distribution with cost. | Jan 14 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | If someone could build a business model around selling oxygen, s/he would | Jan 14 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Human nature maybe... the way people are raised | Jan 14 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Money, money, money... kill whatever's in the way | Jan 14 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | From the no-shit-sherlock dept.: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/14/am.arm... ( Army using video games to tempt recruits) | Jan 14 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's a shame when those very same video games train kids who shoot their mom to death | Jan 14 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | These games are supposed to recruit kids to become killer machines against Iraqis | Jan 14 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | CES was a slum | Jan 14 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | No new announcement of much substance | Jan 14 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | CES and the recession: What was the impact? http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/12... | Jan 14 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | jose: i found a comment of yours in mod queue | Jan 14 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's approved now | Jan 14 22:44 |
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| jose | thnx, i was going to ask but was re-replying differently. | Jan 14 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | I closed comments on items from 2006-08 | Jan 14 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | There was too much spam clogging things up | Jan 14 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | I spent many hours just reading about pills and penis enhancement | Jan 14 22:45 |
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| PetoKraus | did it work? | Jan 14 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Sometimes there was fetish sex. | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | oh | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| jose | wow.. that's interesting you closed it.. it helps preservation.. but dec of 2008 seems too recent.. no? | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | you should have sent an invite | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: no, I didn't click on the URLs in the SPAM. | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | SPAM SPAM SPAM | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | glorious spam | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | But it's annoying to go through nasty things like "horse sex" and "girls sh*t".. | Jan 14 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | did you see them both? so did I. Which one is worse? | Jan 14 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Apparently what's what people search for, | Jan 14 22:47 |
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| *tessier_ wonders what the deal with Steve Jobs is | Jan 14 22:47 |
| tessier_ | And what will happen some day when billg passes on? | Jan 14 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Cause spammer use that as anchor text | Jan 14 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | One person does not make a corrupt corporation | Jan 14 22:48 |
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| tessier_ | You can't normally have a peaceful transition of power if the original power is built around a cult of personality, history has shown us. | Jan 14 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | But he raises and recruit like-minded thugs like SteveB | Jan 14 22:48 |
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| tessier_ | Although Vietnam was an exception to that it seems. | Jan 14 22:48 |
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| tessier_ | But perhaps that is because they were in a war and had a very solid control over the people when the leader passed. | Jan 14 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | SteveB has less of a squeaky voice than BillG and he tosses furniture, not bobbing on it | Jan 14 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: in Vietnam (IIRC) they fakes some leader's presence. | Jan 14 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | There was some image in El Reg (IIRC) where you can see they GIMPed him in | Jan 14 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | The shadow doesn't match | Jan 14 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe it was Korea though | Jan 14 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Var Guy has some sort of marketing fetish.. http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/01/13/wheres-ope... | Jan 14 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | New master of the world: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wo... | Jan 14 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | my ex-g/f went from studying maths to studying Chinese. | Jan 14 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | This might be handy based on how things turn out | Jan 14 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | School's links to porn site end < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolog... > | Jan 14 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Mr Uptime now available for Firefox 3 < | Jan 14 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/01... | Jan 14 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Mr. Uptime....... sounds like some V1agra substitute. | Jan 14 22:52 |
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| zoobab | hi | Jan 14 22:56 |
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| zoobab | can someone play those videos with mplayer? | Jan 14 22:57 |
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| zoobab | http://ec.europa.eu/informati... | Jan 14 22:57 |
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| zoobab | I have strange IP adresses here: | Jan 14 22:57 |
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| zoobab | http://192.168.0.195:80/europa/i... | Jan 14 22:57 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: I'm thinking that was probably Korea and Kim Jung Il. | Jan 14 22:57 |
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| tessier_ | Ho Chi Minh has been dead since 1969 or so. | Jan 14 22:57 |
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| tessier_ | Although nobody knows for sure the exact date he really died. | Jan 14 22:57 |
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| PetoKraus | spam spam spam spammity spaaam | Jan 14 22:58 |
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| tessier_ | Mr. Uptime. Isn't that the smiling Bob guy from those commercials we used to see on TV a year or two ago? | Jan 14 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: probably. Military photo that was.. | Jan 14 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | wget http://212.68.215.195/europ... 811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv | Jan 14 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | --2009-01-14 23:00:24-- http://212.68.215.195/europa/ict200... | Jan 14 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Connecting to 212.68.215.195:80... connected. | Jan 14 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK | Jan 14 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Length: 99 [video/x-ms-wvx] | Jan 14 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Saving to: `0811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv' | Jan 14 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | 100%[===================== ==================>] 99 --.-K/s in 0s | Jan 14 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | 2009-01-14 23:00:25 (5.86 MB/s) - `0811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv' saved [99/99] | Jan 14 23:00 |
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| zoobab | 99 bytes | Jan 14 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Can anyone help? | Jan 14 23:01 |
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| zoobab | cat 0811271515_ClosingPlenary_harbour_en.wmv | Jan 14 23:01 |
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| zoobab | [Reference] | Jan 14 23:01 |
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| zoobab | Ref1=http://192.168.0.195:80/europa/i... | Jan 14 23:01 |
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| MinceR | gn | Jan 14 23:03 |
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| zoobab | you have to replace their http:// by ::s:// | Jan 14 23:05 |
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| zoobab | mms:// | Jan 14 23:05 |
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| zoobab | mplayer -v mms://212.68.215.195/europa/ict2008/0811261 100_InnovationCreativityPart1_en.wmv | Jan 14 23:05 |
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| jose | schestowitz, the var guy wants linux co's to address that particular market.. perhaps they need partnerships with hw vendors to be competitive. ..not knowing more, i too think linux co should go into that market | Jan 14 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... ( YouTube Mutes (Some) Copyrighted Music ) | Jan 14 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | Unabomber Writings To Be Sold Online < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0... > | Jan 14 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Memorabilia of a nutcase with an interesting theory on society. | Jan 14 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Vulnerability in Apple's Safari http://www.heise.de/english/new... | Jan 14 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft closes three holes in Windows http://www.heise.de/english/newstic... | Jan 14 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/... "Mono isn't getting anywhere (fortunately)" | Jan 14 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Adopt a (Gnome) hacker for $10 < http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3883 > | Jan 14 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | ZDNet is 'publishing' adverts again... How to keep your data secure < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-959... > | Jan 14 23:39 |
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| jose | roy, i'm going to take a break for a while.. not sure if i'll stay on here.. and thnx for the offer. i would *like* to write something up | Jan 14 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | That's be great | Jan 14 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | *'d | Jan 14 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | "The discussion also mentions Microsoft's "Unlimited Potential" program as yet another means to ensure early indoctrination of students into Mircosoft." http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6126 | Jan 14 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | Many sites cover the EDGI stuff now | Jan 14 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | I have more coming for a while... | Jan 14 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | Almost 500 comments about this in Slashdot: http://news.slashdot.org/article... | Jan 14 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | We did about 35k pageviews today, all in all. The /. effect if over, but some people subscribed | Jan 14 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | "It's popular to hate on Microsoft because of their past behavior. But there's nothing 'unethical' or 'monopolistic' about it. It's normal business competition. You can bet Oracle does it, IBM does it, and just about every other software/services vendor does it." http://news.slashdot.org/article... -- Anthony Papillion, OpenEMR HQ, Inc | Jan 14 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | No, it's a monopoly | Jan 14 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | So doing this as a monopoly is violation of the law. | Jan 14 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | NOVELLER~1 on "What happens with KDE with Qt license shift?" < http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/?p=152 > | Jan 14 23:54 |
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| tessier_ | http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/li... | Jan 14 23:55 |
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| jose | later everyone | Jan 14 23:55 |
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| tessier_ | Novell voted most likely to go out of business or be acquired in 2009 | Jan 14 23:55 |
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| tessier_ | http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/News/Dire-... | Jan 14 23:55 |
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| tessier_ | Although I would hesitate to say that Novell and Sun are "from the open source industry" | Jan 14 23:56 |
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| tessier_ | And this again highlights the problem with the phrase "open source" | Jan 14 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | yes, I agree | Jan 14 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | Novell wants the OSS status for 'goodwill' value | Jan 14 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | WHich it does not deserve | Jan 14 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | It would be better if Novell never 'joined' | Jan 14 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | S.u.S.E. would have expanded | Jan 14 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe like Red Hat with a desktop focus | Jan 14 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | It has Mandriva as rival | Jan 14 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | EU: Browsers barometer < http://www.epractice.eu/document/5357 > | Jan 14 23:57 |
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| tessier_ | One ray of hope came Monday, when Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research posted his economic to-do list for US President-Elect barack Obama. Number six on his list? "Funding for the Development of Open Software." | Jan 14 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Sun... haha... open source | Jan 14 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Looks where they make money and how | Jan 14 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Kind of like IBM | Jan 14 23:57 |
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| tessier_ | pro-Sun folks will always point out how Sun gave us the NFS spec and OpenOffice and Java (*cough*) etc. | Jan 14 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | Lotus... proprietary.. servers... h/w... | Jan 14 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | OOo is an important gift | Jan 14 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's not fair to discount it.. | Jan 14 23:58 |
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