IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 18th, 2009

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2009-01-19 08:52:57 UTC
Modified: 2009-01-19 08:52:57 UTC

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PeterKraus	yeah, joinflood	Jan 18 00:01
schestowitz	Nothing was missed	Jan 18 00:02
PeterKraus	i know	Jan 18 00:02
PeterKraus	:)	Jan 18 00:02
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MinceR	http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=...	Jan 18 00:31
MinceR	so much about fucking obama	Jan 18 00:31
MinceR	change my ass	Jan 18 00:31
schestowitz	Change to Windows	Jan 18 00:33
MinceR	can we take the remaining shreds of your freedom away?	Jan 18 00:39
MinceR	Yes We Can!	Jan 18 00:39
schestowitz	It's not cross-platform and _it was never intended to be_. Obama is becoming just a PR clown to Microsoft... maybe that's the response to the "Get the Mac" ads... president saying "Get Silver Lie and Windows". Remember Zunebama?	Jan 18 00:39
MinceR	yes	Jan 18 00:40
MinceR	perhaps he'll be a PR clown to both microsofts	Jan 18 00:40
schestowitz	Free systems = no access to government anymore	Jan 18 00:40
MinceR	they can both pay him... until they run out of money	Jan 18 00:40
schestowitz	It's also a repeated offense (I wrote about this yesterday in BN)	Jan 18 00:40
MinceR	apparently this is the new american dream	Jan 18 00:40
schestowitz	It's not as though they didn't know. There was a storm on the Web (Mac users too) when the Democrat convention was almost Windows-only.	Jan 18 00:41
MinceR	there's a shocker	Jan 18 00:41
schestowitz	So expect more of the "Same" (or Shame) in the future. The Change(R) was from standards to XAML	Jan 18 00:41
schestowitz	Here's the think. I supported Obama (or Nader really. Now he's elected to serve the corporcracy, so based on _his deeds alone_, I don't mind criticising. After all, he'd be president for 4 years regardless of what one writes	Jan 18 00:43
MinceR	well, i didn't expect much better from him than from W	Jan 18 00:46
MinceR	or from McCain	Jan 18 00:46
MinceR	but this surprises me	Jan 18 00:46
schestowitz	McBush?	Jan 18 00:46
MinceR	yes	Jan 18 00:46
schestowitz	Very few people manage to live the AmericanDream(TM), but those who do (and everyone is tamed to work two jobs to get there) find out that they are deep in debt or corruption that can't be compensated for.	Jan 18 00:46
MinceR	but at least there's a lesser chance that he'll come bomb Hungary	Jan 18 00:46
MinceR	(after getting some help from academics to find it on the map)	Jan 18 00:46
schestowitz	I'm tempted to do a GIMP	Jan 18 00:46
MinceR	i just hope that SweatyB and the gang won't convince him to bomb countries that refuse to "standardize" on m$ crap	Jan 18 00:47
schestowitz	I'll get around to it in a moment.. putting my mental image 'in print' so to speak.	Jan 18 00:47
schestowitz	First they can sack	Jan 18 00:48
schestowitz	Or bomb unless you hard over suspects	Jan 18 00:48
schestowitz	They did this in Afghanistan... boom, bang, kaboom until you hand over this list of people (Without any evidence supplied)	Jan 18 00:48
schestowitz	Many years ago they did the same thing in central America	Jan 18 00:48
schestowitz	Noreaga (spelling wrong) had hundreds of innocent people for the capturing by the US.	Jan 18 00:49
schestowitz	Worm Attack Continues http://www.pcworld.com/article/1579...	Jan 18 00:52
schestowitz	LOL http://henryjenkins.org/obama%20spock%202.jpg	Jan 18 00:54
MinceR	:)	Jan 18 00:55
MinceR	that's a disgrace to vulcans	Jan 18 00:56
MinceR	gn	Jan 18 00:56
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schestowitz	MinceR: this one addresses that issue: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/...	Jan 18 01:34
schestowitz	Eric Lai is spinning Microsoft layoffs now, just like many other Microsoft defenders.	Jan 18 01:35
schestowitz	Microsoft Ordered to Delete Browser < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/technolog... >	Jan 18 01:37
*schestowitz wonder what tessier thinks of river landing.		Jan 18 02:42
tessier	River landing?	Jan 18 02:42
schestowitz	NY	Jan 18 02:43
tessier	The plane that crashed in the Hudson river?	Jan 18 02:43
schestowitz	Crashed?	Jan 18 02:43
tessier	It seems like everything went as it should. Glad they all made it out.	Jan 18 02:43
tessier	Well, landed, crash landed, whatever you at tocali .	Jan 18 02:43
tessier	to call it	Jan 18 02:43
schestowitz	Will they float the plane?	Jan 18 02:44
tessier	Yes. In fact it is still floating.	Jan 18 02:44
tessier	It never went all the way to the bottom.	Jan 18 02:44
tessier	It floated down the river and has come to rest against a pier.	Jan 18 02:44
schestowitz	Cool.	Jan 18 02:44
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dsmith_	was the plane running Windoze?	Jan 18 04:47
dsmith_	selling the Internet Explorer browser.....ummmmm I dont remember them selling IE	Jan 18 04:50
dsmith_	hehe	Jan 18 04:50
dsmith_	bundling, or shall I say bumbling sure	Jan 18 04:51
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PetoKraus	yeah well, off to ÃâºdÃÂªnbrÃâ¢	Jan 18 08:59
PetoKraus	see you later	Jan 18 08:59
schestowitz	Bra?	Jan 18 09:03
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PetoKraus	that's IPA	Jan 18 09:08
schestowitz	http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/email_sum...	Jan 18 09:30
schestowitz	http://www.prwatch.org/node/8142 "	Jan 18 09:32
schestowitz	The Chinese government has pledged 45 billion yuan (nearly $6.6 billion) for media that target foreign audiences, "in an aggressive global drive to improve the country's image internationally." The Xinhua News Agency wants to use the funding to "expand its overseas bureaus from about 100 to 186," nearly enough to have a bureau in every country. "	Jan 18 09:32
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p... "	Jan 18 09:35
schestowitz	Given Microsoft's past history of bribes and payoffs the only question now is: Have they yet to secretly bribed an Indian Education official to go with the "free" version of Windows, and then buy enough copies of Office and other Microsoft applications, ensuring data lock-in, so that Microsoft ends up making MORE than they "lost" giving away their OS?"	Jan 18 09:35
schestowitz	What an arsehole spinner: "THANK GOD the One Laptop Per Child Foundation is in financial trouble ("Fund loss staggers group giving laptops to poor children," Page A1, Jan. 9). Aside from the arrogant colonialism implicit in a bunch of MIT hotshots telling dirt-poor Third World people how to educate their children, the whole idea is just silly." http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edi...	Jan 18 09:37
schestowitz	for_the_poor/	Jan 18 09:37
schestowitz	http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editoria...	Jan 18 09:37
PetoKraus	the article is quite good thoung	Jan 18 09:52
PetoKraus	*gh	Jan 18 09:52
PetoKraus	it has a point	Jan 18 09:52
PetoKraus	right	Jan 18 09:54
PetoKraus	see you	Jan 18 09:54
tessier	http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/17/belki...	Jan 18 10:02
tessier	Could MS do something similar to inspire trolls and shills and anti-Linux rants?	Jan 18 10:02
schestowitz	ORLY distracts FOSS people again... http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/01/14/th...	Jan 18 10:03
schestowitz	tessier: MS does do that... sending people to shill.	Jan 18 10:04
schestowitz	They break EU laws.	Jan 18 10:05
tessier	Yes but this is doing it in a clever way.	Jan 18 10:05
tessier	And paying them directly for their efforts.	Jan 18 10:05
tessier	"When your best friend is Larry Ellison you know you are in trouble. " - Cringley	Jan 18 10:28
tessier	Hah	Jan 18 10:28
schestowitz	He ought to have been arrested	Jan 18 10:32
schestowitz	Aviations regulations being just the tip of the iceberg	Jan 18 10:33
schestowitz	Oh god... moles... "I get this from two articles that I read. The first one is Windows 7, Linux Battle for Netbook Supremacy from pcworld and the second is Windows 7 on Netbooks: Does Linux Stand a Chance? which appears to be the original article on CIO. " http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locut...	Jan 18 10:35
schestowitz	What he doesn't tell you is that these articles are written and published by Microsoft moles in IDC-owned publications. It's propaganda.	Jan 18 10:36
tessier	Who? What about aviation regulations?	Jan 18 10:37
schestowitz	He flew under a bridge... these people think the laws don't apply to them.	Jan 18 10:37
tessier	I'm not sure that flying under a bridge is a violation of the FAR's.	Jan 18 10:38
schestowitz	He said it is	Jan 18 10:41
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tessier	Helicopters routinely fly under it.	Jan 18 10:44
schestowitz	Amazing! Now IDG lets Microsoft EMPLOYEES write articles.	Jan 18 10:45
schestowitz	"Can Mozilla Prove Firefox Is the Most Secure Browser? -- Jeff Jones, CIO.com"	Jan 18 10:45
schestowitz	Jeff Jones: Microsoft employee and liar	Jan 18 10:45
schestowitz	Some Fanboys Don’t Like Windows 7 Either < http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2009/01/... >	Jan 18 10:48
schestowitz	tessier: helicopters don't move at ultrasonic speeds.	Jan 18 10:49
schestowitz	Not that small planed do so, either.	Jan 18 10:49
tessier	Yeah. I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed and thoroughly complained about an ultrasonic shockwave being generated at very low altitude over San Francisco. Once they assessed the damage the injured were cared for, of course. :)	Jan 18 10:50
schestowitz	Eee phones coming, but it doesn't say which platform... C.E.S. Interview: ASUSTek’s Jonney Shih on Computer Displays < http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01... >	Jan 18 10:51
schestowitz	I'm gonna have to expose the IDC shills today..... I'm just tired of seeing all the Microsoft anti-Linux rhetoric coming from IDG.	Jan 18 10:53
schestowitz	http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/15/pu... "Yes, Ubuntu 9.04 may very well boot in 21.4 seconds, but my system - running x86-64 Cooker with no tweaks - boots, according to bootchart, in 16. (I’d post the chart but there seems to be a bug in bootchart in Cooker which prevents it shutting down once gdm is up, so the chart goes on until I manually kill bootchartd, so it doesn’t look very clean)."	Jan 18 10:55
MinceR	geekings	Jan 18 10:55
schestowitz	MinceR: here is the mental image I had (without the strings though because I gave up on them) ttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/politics-of-software/	Jan 18 10:56
MinceR	:)	Jan 18 10:56
schestowitz	Oops http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/...	Jan 18 10:56
schestowitz	Here is some more BS in response to Microsoft's FUD/slog: http://superphysics.awardspace.com/2009/...	Jan 18 10:58
schestowitz	http://codingexperiments.com/suggested-tips-... "It is absolutely necessary to tone this side of the Linux community down. Users new to Linux feel like that they are in an alien world in which it is dangerous to navigate, and fearing getting flamed from angry Linux users is simply just going to drive them back towards Windows."	Jan 18 11:00
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Ziggy	schestowitz: hey	Jan 18 11:36
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seller_liar	I was thinking....	Jan 18 12:29
seller_liar	the big problem of capitalism is the lack of control	Jan 18 12:31
schestowitz	Hi	Jan 18 12:33
schestowitz	What type of control?	Jan 18 12:33
seller_liar	schestowitz: Lack of control of system production	Jan 18 12:34
seller_liar	schestowitz: for example	Jan 18 12:34
seller_liar	schestowitz: the property owner does not worry about ethics ,and then ,he tris to destroy	Jan 18 12:35
seller_liar	schestowitz: the society for more production	Jan 18 12:35
seller_liar	schestowitz: technology is a good example	Jan 18 12:35
seller_liar	schestowitz: technology only serves elite interests ,	Jan 18 12:36
seller_liar	schestowitz: this excessive obssession for more and more production	Jan 18 12:36
seller_liar	schestowitz: produces more and more new technology ,but	Jan 18 12:36
seller_liar	this tecnology destroy all social system	Jan 18 12:36
seller_liar	schestowitz: The second big problem is ...	Jan 18 12:37
*Casperin_ is now known as Casperin		Jan 18 12:37
seller_liar	schestowitz: People targets governments , but the govt does not control production system	Jan 18 12:37
seller_liar	schestowitz: after neoliberalism era ,people must target companies	Jan 18 12:37
Casperin	if the capitalistic system was working properly, and people were rational, they would not buy products from these companies, so they would go out of production	Jan 18 12:38
seller_liar	Casperin: yes, it's a way to boycott a company	Jan 18 12:38
Casperin	out of business*	Jan 18 12:38
seller_liar	Casperin: people must target companies	Jan 18 12:38
seller_liar	Casperin: companies are the new governement	Jan 18 12:39
Casperin	... but they don't. And they aren't rational. I agree with you..	Jan 18 12:39
seller_liar	Casperin: Companies controls the production system	Jan 18 12:39
seller_liar	Casperin: then	Jan 18 12:39
seller_liar	Casperin: the govt is dependant of production system	Jan 18 12:39
seller_liar	Casperin: Then	Jan 18 12:39
seller_liar	Casperin: Companies controls the govt	Jan 18 12:39
seller_liar	Casperin: Companies can high prices of health ,education and all other things	Jan 18 12:40
Casperin	It depends on the type of capitalism I suppose	Jan 18 12:40
seller_liar	Casperin:After the neoliiberal era , is going ever worst	Jan 18 12:40
seller_liar	Casperin: All production system ,even health and education ,is controlled by companmies	Jan 18 12:41
Casperin	I am not a capitalist, but I think we have seen far worse things happen in for instance Soviet Russia	Jan 18 12:41
seller_liar	Casperin: I' don t like socialism	Jan 18 12:41
seller_liar	Casperin: Capiltalis is not wrong by nature	Jan 18 12:42
Casperin	nothing is... it's all part of nature.. it's happening, isn't it? ;)	Jan 18 12:42
seller_liar	Casperin: The real problem is , people targets governments , but	Jan 18 12:42
seller_liar	Casperin: the governments does not control the production system	Jan 18 12:43
seller_liar	Casperin: Companies controls health prices ,education prices and so on	Jan 18 12:43
seller_liar	Casperin: And remember ,companies always desire more and more profit	Jan 18 12:44
Casperin	people targets governments, because their only means for targeting a company is boycotting it.. and that can be a huge loss for very little (or no) gain	Jan 18 12:44
seller_liar	Casperin: And then , the taxes will always to be high	Jan 18 12:44
seller_liar	Casperin: No!	Jan 18 12:44
seller_liar	Casperin: If people boycott windows and all other m$ crap , m$ can be destroyed	Jan 18 12:45
Casperin	I meant on an individual level	Jan 18 12:45
seller_liar	Casperin: The big problem is companies are very BIG , and takes some time to destroy	Jan 18 12:45
seller_liar	Casperin: Ethics is not individualism	Jan 18 12:46
schestowitz	seller_liar: yes, that's an issue (system production)	Jan 18 12:46
seller_liar	Casperin: There are other ways to convince people	Jan 18 12:46
Casperin	it can be... ever read Ayn Rand? ;)	Jan 18 12:46
seller_liar	Casperin: No, why?	Jan 18 12:47
Casperin	he just argues for a very self-interested for of ethics. Not too important for this.. just a side note to your comment	Jan 18 12:47
Casperin	she*	Jan 18 12:47
schestowitz	seller_liar: this is not capitalism, either	Jan 18 12:48
schestowitz	It's something esle.	Jan 18 12:48
seller_liar	schestowitz: But is the actual system	Jan 18 12:48
seller_liar	schestowitz: and people thinks this "is " capitalism	Jan 18 12:49
seller_liar	schestowitz: Monopolies , and homogenity is anti-capítalism	Jan 18 12:49
schestowitz	Well, they are sold so	Jan 18 12:49
schestowitz	People are also taught that theyh can influence politics by tossing a ballot once in 4 years	Jan 18 12:49
seller_liar	schestowitz: Governments is the small part of system	Jan 18 12:50
seller_liar	schestowitz: Little or nothig will change if people live the same way of life	Jan 18 12:50
schestowitz	Of course they don't actually control who is up 'for sale', who gets advertised the most and how people are manipulated by PR campaigns (campaign managers and all)	Jan 18 12:50
schestowitz	So in most countries democracy is a fallacy, an illusion. And that's just conventional thinking.	Jan 18 12:50
schestowitz	As for capitalism, that's more complex.	Jan 18 12:51
seller_liar	schestowitz: No roy , democracy is beautiful	Jan 18 12:51
schestowitz	But wait... you can't treat companies and government as though they are separate.	Jan 18 12:51
seller_liar	schestowitz: the big problem is people only targets governments	Jan 18 12:51
schestowitz	Well, take Dick Cheney for example.. from corporations to government	Jan 18 12:51
schestowitz	Deborah Majoras... from FTC to P&G	Jan 18 12:52
seller_liar	schestowitz: But , it's not normal	Jan 18 12:52
schestowitz	The government is itself just like a small companies... with partners and all.	Jan 18 12:52
seller_liar	schestowitz: This is a deprecated state of democracy	Jan 18 12:52
schestowitz	I talk mostly about the US here..	Jan 18 12:52
schestowitz	The UK is not quite as bad yet	Jan 18 12:52
seller_liar	schestowitz: A true democracy uses people and society interests	Jan 18 12:52
schestowitz	Elite people	Jan 18 12:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: not companies interests	Jan 18 12:53
schestowitz	Not people.	Jan 18 12:53
schestowitz	There are exceptions	Jan 18 12:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: but this not fault of democracy	Jan 18 12:53
schestowitz	Which democracy?	Jan 18 12:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: This is fault of people	Jan 18 12:53
schestowitz	You speak as though democracy failed...	Jan 18 12:53
schestowitz	But there was never a democracy	Jan 18 12:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: No	Jan 18 12:54
schestowitz	It's a euphemism.	Jan 18 12:54
schestowitz	It's like "Americanism"	Jan 18 12:54
seller_liar	schestowitz: The actual state of democracy is destroyed and deprecated	Jan 18 12:54
schestowitz	Until it collapses and reformed	Jan 18 12:54
seller_liar	schestowitz: because people does not worry about companies	Jan 18 12:54
schestowitz	it happened after the Great Depression I think.	Jan 18 12:55
seller_liar	schestowitz: And then ., companies have free pass to destroy everything	Jan 18 12:55
seller_liar	schestowitz: because people does do nothing about	Jan 18 12:55
seller_liar	schestowitz: people only attacks the government over and over again	Jan 18 12:56
schestowitz	That's the danger	Jan 18 12:56
schestowitz	Realised over 100 years ago	Jan 18 12:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: people must attack companies ,because the companies controls the governm,ente	Jan 18 12:56
schestowitz	Companies are given carte blanche to trash rights.	Jan 18 12:56
schestowitz	But there was no mechanism other than antitrust to prevent this	Jan 18 12:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: because people does not do nothing	Jan 18 12:57
schestowitz	Another form of rights erosion comes from government with choruses like "War on terrorism"	Jan 18 12:57
seller_liar	schestowitz: people only thinks in ipod, itunes, sex and drugs	Jan 18 12:57
seller_liar	schestowitz: For me it's is only blood for oil	Jan 18 12:57
schestowitz	They actually have the population terrified enough by chanting this that most people don't mind losing everything.	Jan 18 12:57
seller_liar	schestowitz: again company interests	Jan 18 12:57
schestowitz	Yes.	Jan 18 12:58
schestowitz	But that's politics anyway	Jan 18 12:58
schestowitz	Nothing new here.	Jan 18 12:58
seller_liar	schestowitz: people must attack companies ,because companies controls the sproduction and all system	Jan 18 12:58
seller_liar	schestowitz: Obama is only a marionete	Jan 18 12:59
seller_liar	seller_liar:but , the is ...	Jan 18 12:59
schestowitz	I know :-)	Jan 18 12:59
seller_liar	schestowitz: but the actual problem is	Jan 18 13:00
schestowitz	I'd put strings in the picture if I found something	Jan 18 13:00
schestowitz	Go to Google Images and search for "strings"	Jan 18 13:00
seller_liar	schestowitz: the capitalism does not have limits	Jan 18 13:00
seller_liar	schestowitz: Destroy all the society for better production	Jan 18 13:00
seller_liar	seller_liar: Companies always to be the only one in the universe	Jan 18 13:01
seller_liar	schestowitz: Companies always toi be the only one in the universe	Jan 18 13:01
seller_liar	schestowitz: Like intel	Jan 18 13:01
seller_liar	schestowitz: "We have conquered processors"	Jan 18 13:01
seller_liar	schestowitz: "I need more"	Jan 18 13:01
schestowitz	The issue is different	Jan 18 13:01
schestowitz	It assumes the world has infinite capacity	Jan 18 13:01
seller_liar	schestowitz: "We are conquering vgas"	Jan 18 13:01
seller_liar	schestowitz: No , that's not the point	Jan 18 13:02
schestowitz	This means that endless pursuit for goals (shareholder) ruins the planet and leads to wars	Jan 18 13:02
seller_liar	schestowitz: The point is the eternal desire to conquer everything	Jan 18 13:02
schestowitz	Wars can be: 1) for control of resource (e.g. Iraq); or 2) attacks from those who are exploited for their resources	Jan 18 13:02
seller_liar	schestowitz: Companies does not stop the growing of production system	Jan 18 13:02
schestowitz	Yes, but that's a natural desire to homo sapients.	Jan 18 13:03
seller_liar	schestowitz: More or less	Jan 18 13:03
schestowitz	The question is, can you impose limits internationally?	Jan 18 13:03
seller_liar	schestowitz: Homo sapiens likes power ,But	Jan 18 13:03
schestowitz	Hubris is a sin and greed like this should be too.	Jan 18 13:04
seller_liar	schestowitz: when the power Grows too much , the power destroys the humasn	Jan 18 13:04
seller_liar	schestowitz: Ethics destroy power	Jan 18 13:04
schestowitz	/Any/ power can destory	Jan 18 13:04
seller_liar	schestowitz: This is the only way	Jan 18 13:04
schestowitz	In many cases, it leads to genocide too	Jan 18 13:04
schestowitz	There are examples from central and south America too	Jan 18 13:04
seller_liar	schestowitz: But this not only genocides	Jan 18 13:04
schestowitz	Invasions for control of governments (and resources)	Jan 18 13:05
seller_liar	schestowitz: For example , technology is power	Jan 18 13:05
schestowitz	Yes.	Jan 18 13:05
seller_liar	schestowitz: technology destroy people , enslaves them in addiction (ipod)	Jan 18 13:06
seller_liar	schestowitz: Technology creates needs	Jan 18 13:06
seller_liar	schestowitz: the only way to save the society is stop " the eternal desire to conquer everything	Jan 18 13:08
schestowitz	So what do you suggest?	Jan 18 13:08
schestowitz	The FSF already exists.	Jan 18 13:08
seller_liar	schestowitz: We dont need to search for more and more technology	Jan 18 13:08
seller_liar	schestowitz: The actual technology is good	Jan 18 13:10
seller_liar	schestowitz: And a little people uses actual tecnology	Jan 18 13:10
seller_liar	schestowitz: 30% of world does not use technologies	Jan 18 13:10
seller_liar	schestowitz: The actual tecnology only serves big corporations	Jan 18 13:10
seller_liar	schestowitz: There's no need to more new tecnology ,because it will destroy even more the society	Jan 18 13:10
seller_liar	schestowitz: 2	Jan 18 13:10
seller_liar	schestowitz: People must stop to attack only the govt and attacks companies	Jan 18 13:11
seller_liar	schestowitz: you for example ,you are doing a good work in BN	Jan 18 13:11
schestowitz	Thanks.	Jan 18 13:11
schestowitz	Patents too are an issue	Jan 18 13:11
seller_liar	schestowitz: But we need , Boycott intel , Boycott Mcdonalds, BoycottNike	Jan 18 13:11
schestowitz	Created for companies by lobbies	Jan 18 13:11
schestowitz	seller_liar: who would do that?	Jan 18 13:12
seller_liar	schestowitz: I don know ,but is very important to do this	Jan 18 13:12
seller_liar	schestowitz: If no one do this , the society is condemned to doom	Jan 18 13:12
seller_liar	schestowitz: Look , only 1% of people thinks about ethics	Jan 18 13:13
seller_liar	schestowitz: This is very sad	Jan 18 13:13
seller_liar	schestowitz:people must use 10% of free time to think about ethics	Jan 18 13:13
seller_liar	schestowitz: people only thinks in more and more money withou practical value	Jan 18 13:14
schestowitz	They are taught this	Jan 18 13:14
seller_liar	schestowitz: sex, drugs , and technology	Jan 18 13:14
schestowitz	Also, confinement of work(ing conditions) don't permit this	Jan 18 13:14
schestowitz	People are spoon-fed ideas rather than given facilities to learn for themselves.	Jan 18 13:15
seller_liar	schestowitz: Someone needs to break the circle , like BN does	Jan 18 13:15
schestowitz	cycle?	Jan 18 13:15
schestowitz	Or circle (works too)	Jan 18 13:15
seller_liar	schestowitz: yes ,sorry ,cycle	Jan 18 13:15
schestowitz	We need more people	Jan 18 13:15
schestowitz	I already have some people who help here in IRC, in the wiki, etc.	Jan 18 13:16
seller_liar	schestowitz: I was thinking in make a site ,like boycottplanet	Jan 18 13:16
schestowitz	You could write articles too, I'd proofread.	Jan 18 13:16
seller_liar	schestowitz: But I have little time and exp	Jan 18 13:16
schestowitz	That's like giving up, no?	Jan 18 13:16
seller_liar	schestowitz: What?	Jan 18 13:17
seller_liar	schestowitz: ah ,yes,sometimes is very hard to maintain sites	Jan 18 13:17
seller_liar	schestowitz: 3	Jan 18 13:18
seller_liar	schestowitz: People must live a new era	Jan 18 13:18
seller_liar	schestowitz: The era of arts ,not of the power	Jan 18 13:18
-christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, As some of you may have noticed, we lost our ipv6 servers for a extended period of time in the last day. I am terribly sorry about this, it would appear that we've unmasked yet another peculiar hyperion bug. They're back up now and we shouldn't experience any further problems. Thank you for using freenode and have a great day.		Jan 18 13:18
schestowitz	Culture maybe, not arts	Jan 18 13:19
schestowitz	Or "society", I don't know. These views are expressed outside technology too.	Jan 18 13:19
seller_liar	schestowitz: People only wants more power , more better system ,more efficcient	Jan 18 13:19
schestowitz	Society means no "power" though, so it's an uphill battle.	Jan 18 13:19
seller_liar	schestowitz: people must stop the will of power	Jan 18 13:20
schestowitz	The system is built to repel this	Jan 18 13:20
schestowitz	here's how it goes	Jan 18 13:20
seller_liar	schestowitz: People must live the life	Jan 18 13:20
schestowitz	Since a very young age people are taught they would be rewarded for obedience.	Jan 18 13:20
schestowitz	Those who deviate are punished via peers	Jan 18 13:20
schestowitz	On television, it is possible to educate people such that they harass peer who do not 'conform' so to speak	Jan 18 13:21
schestowitz	seller_liar: not quite	Jan 18 13:21
schestowitz	The thing is, people think they /do/ live life	Jan 18 13:21
schestowitz	Because they are taught that life is taking a place to other exotic places like Hawaii and dining in restaurants (wage slavery)	Jan 18 13:22
seller_liar	schestowitz: this is luxury , influenced by companies	Jan 18 13:22
seller_liar	schestowitz: people must live the a simple life	Jan 18 13:22
seller_liar	schestowitz: natural food , good water, good health	Jan 18 13:23
seller_liar	schestowitz: but people only thinks in a better car , better house and erverthing in universe	Jan 18 13:23
seller_liar	schestowitz: 4 problem ,	Jan 18 13:24
seller_liar	schestowitz: companies tries to create needs , forcing people to use the tecnology	Jan 18 13:25
seller_liar	schestowitz: Like m$ does , using "open" formats	Jan 18 13:25
schestowitz	I don't even feel comfortable nining at restaurant, TBH	Jan 18 13:25
schestowitz	But people have ways to beautify these acts	Jan 18 13:25
schestowitz	"We're giving them a job"	Jan 18 13:25
schestowitz	"They are happy to do it"	Jan 18 13:26
seller_liar	schestowitz: Did you know ?	Jan 18 13:26
schestowitz	"Without making Nike shoes, there people in Vietnam would hunger".. etc etc	Jan 18 13:26
seller_liar	schestowitz: I was VERY happy to m$ layoffs	Jan 18 13:26
seller_liar	schestowitz: This lessron serves to people find another ethical jobs	Jan 18 13:26
seller_liar	schestowitz: Because , all is unethical ,will die	Jan 18 13:27
schestowitz	Yes, same here.	Jan 18 13:27
schestowitz	However...	Jan 18 13:27
schestowitz	My guess is that fewer people will work in IT...	Jan 18 13:27
seller_liar	schestowitz: M$ in time ,has build a sand castle using uniethical tatics,and people do nothing	Jan 18 13:27
schestowitz	This means they might end up gardening or something	Jan 18 13:27
seller_liar	schestowitz: But must learn the importance of ethics	Jan 18 13:28
schestowitz	Noneheless: fewer people can /still/ impose DRM	Jan 18 13:28
seller_liar	schestowitz: All the actual system has build in a sand castle	Jan 18 13:28
schestowitz	The point being, you don't truly resolves the issue, just the number of people involve it making it happen (workforce)	Jan 18 13:28
schestowitz	seller_liar: I'm copying the text by hand of MS dirty tactics ATM	Jan 18 13:28
schestowitz	Regarding .NET/Mono	Jan 18 13:28
schestowitz	I'll post it soon.	Jan 18 13:28
seller_liar	schestowitz: But all the people which have lose the job ,will learn the importance of ethics now	Jan 18 13:29
seller_liar	schestowitz: If people don lose the job , they will never learn the importance of ethics	Jan 18 13:29
seller_liar	schestowitz: Like , the fish history	Jan 18 13:30
schestowitz	I know.	Jan 18 13:30
seller_liar	schestowitz: This is very sad, but people learn fast when suffer	Jan 18 13:30
schestowitz	No more AmericanDream(R)	Jan 18 13:30
schestowitz	No more maxing up 5 credit cards, either	Jan 18 13:30
schestowitz	But other countries suffer too... cascading effect	Jan 18 13:31
seller_liar	schestowitz: Sometimes people must suffer to learn ethics	Jan 18 13:31
seller_liar	schestowitz: Or die	Jan 18 13:31
schestowitz	And the grip tightens on those who can be abused.	Jan 18 13:31
schestowitz	I speak to people..	Jan 18 13:31
schestowitz	Many lost half their wealth of more	Jan 18 13:31
schestowitz	So they must teach themselves about unimportance of money.	Jan 18 13:31
seller_liar	schestowitz:Yes, this is consequence of power	Jan 18 13:32
seller_liar	schestowitz: If people have a lot of power ,they lot the knowledge and ethics	Jan 18 13:33
seller_liar	lost	Jan 18 13:33
seller_liar	schestowitz: "Oh , I don need to save money ! " I have a lot money	Jan 18 13:33
seller_liar	schestowitz: But with the actual crisis , the people will learn about ethics and knowlegde[	Jan 18 13:33
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 18 13:34
seller_liar	schestowitz: Power destroys the human nature and ethics too	Jan 18 13:34
schestowitz	But how long before the minds align wrt developing world?	Jan 18 13:34
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schestowitz	*me Just editing "<b>Sent</b>: Saturday, October 26, 2001 11:17 PM"	Jan 18 13:35
schestowitz	Look at Microsofters staying up all night to squash competition for $$$$	Jan 18 13:35
schestowitz	11:17 PM	Jan 18 13:35
seller_liar	schestowitz: I don know ,but we need to learn ethics for people and ignore the power	Jan 18 13:35
seller_liar	schestowitz: Big companies are a disease of world	Jan 18 13:36
seller_liar	schestowitz: The only interest is power and more power	Jan 18 13:36
seller_liar	schestowitz: Remember opensource focuses in power	Jan 18 13:37
seller_liar	schestowitz: free software focuses in ethics	Jan 18 13:37
seller_liar	schestowitz: We don t need more power	Jan 18 13:38
schestowitz	I know.	Jan 18 13:38
seller_liar	schestowitz: All these power in our world is destroying us	Jan 18 13:38
schestowitz	Open source is a marketing routine	Jan 18 13:38
schestowitz	Free software was born to decentralise control.	Jan 18 13:38
schestowitz	Watch OLPC...	Jan 18 13:38
schestowitz	Intel couldn't let developing countries be educated.	Jan 18 13:39
seller_liar	schestowitz: And puts ethics in central point	Jan 18 13:39
schestowitz	Unless they buy Intel ($$$)	Jan 18 13:39
seller_liar	schestowitz: People must stop to buy intel	Jan 18 13:39
seller_liar	schestowitz: Americans likes intel	Jan 18 13:39
seller_liar	schestowitz: We must force americans to stop to buy intel	Jan 18 13:40
seller_liar	schestowitz: How ?	Jan 18 13:40
seller_liar	schestowitz: I don t know	Jan 18 13:40
seller_liar	schestowitz: But we can not kill americans	Jan 18 13:40
seller_liar	schestowitz: But we must "force " them to stop	Jan 18 13:41
seller_liar	schestowitz: reverse m$ tactic	Jan 18 13:41
seller_liar	schestowitz: For example, we can put more taxes on american products	Jan 18 13:42
seller_liar	schestowitz: We can create a boycottIntel to inform people	Jan 18 13:42
seller_liar	schestowitz: We can create more optimized software for amd products	Jan 18 13:42
seller_liar	schestowitz: We can explain for people about the bad effects of homogeneous soiciety	Jan 18 13:43
schestowitz	Americans like Intel?	Jan 18 13:43
schestowitz	Maybe that's because they are told what to think.	Jan 18 13:43
schestowitz	There is a famous joke that goes like...	Jan 18 13:43
seller_liar	schestowitz: Sorry , I don know, but is a example	Jan 18 13:44
schestowitz	"Do the Arabs not like American because America has McDonalds?"	Jan 18 13:44
schestowitz	Of course not.	Jan 18 13:44
schestowitz	It's because the US is looting other countries and people are not dumb enough not to see it.	Jan 18 13:44
seller_liar	schestowitz: Yes	Jan 18 13:44
schestowitz	But it's easier to accuse them of jealousy, of rabid hatred, religious reasons and so on and so forth	Jan 18 13:45
schestowitz	Don't support AMD, either.	Jan 18 13:45
schestowitz	Like you can't replace MS with Appler.	Jan 18 13:45
seller_liar	schestowitz: If cannot stop a company ,we can force it using inderect ways	Jan 18 13:45
schestowitz	*Apple	Jan 18 13:45
schestowitz	Novell suffers a lot because of BN	Jan 18 13:46
seller_liar	schestowitz: I know ,but buy amd for controlling the system	Jan 18 13:46
schestowitz	Go to Google for example	Jan 18 13:46
schestowitz	Search for "Novell moonlight" for example	Jan 18 13:46
seller_liar	schestowitz: AMD is not a good thing, but is the only one capable to control intel	Jan 18 13:46
seller_liar	schestowitz: And mcdonalds salary is very low	Jan 18 13:47
schestowitz	What is WMT?	Jan 18 13:47
schestowitz	Windows Media T*****?	Jan 18 13:47
seller_liar	schestowitz: What?	Jan 18 13:48
schestowitz	McDonalds would benefit from trade agreements and globalisation	Jan 18 13:48
schestowitz	Now with the Depression, they can lower the wages some more.. like Nike in Asia	Jan 18 13:48
seller_liar	schestowitz: And mcdonalds can exploit even more the developing ocuntries	Jan 18 13:48
schestowitz	seller_liar: I do some antitrust stuff on Mono	Jan 18 13:48
schestowitz	I need to get the acronyms right.	Jan 18 13:48
seller_liar	schestowitz: Mcdonals and nike send the bill for developing countries	Jan 18 13:49
seller_liar	schestowitz: I don like japanese people too	Jan 18 13:51
seller_liar	schestowitz: They are very selfish ,and reproduces a lot	Jan 18 13:51
seller_liar	schestowitz: Japanese people are only luck people	Jan 18 13:52
seller_liar	schestowitz: Like black people have strong skin	Jan 18 13:52
seller_liar	schestowitz: Japanese people have a bbit more of intelligence	Jan 18 13:52
schestowitz	Japanese don't reproduce much anymore	Jan 18 13:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: But I don like , japanese people uses the powe for self interests	Jan 18 13:53
schestowitz	Many single people	Jan 18 13:53
schestowitz	I could find you a video about it...	Jan 18 13:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: Now, but japanese people lives a lot	Jan 18 13:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: And owns a lot of technology	Jan 18 13:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: uses patents too	Jan 18 13:53
schestowitz	Japan exploited China.. along with western countries that got tossed	Jan 18 13:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: And I don like of extreme tecnology	Jan 18 13:53
schestowitz	Yes, they live long	Jan 18 13:53
schestowitz	They have software patents	Jan 18 13:54
schestowitz	It's a monopoly tool	Jan 18 13:54
schestowitz	You mean, extreme technolisation that reduces humanity?	Jan 18 13:54
schestowitz	As in, more stress, no human touch?	Jan 18 13:54
seller_liar	schestowitz: No, extreme tech for more and more power	Jan 18 13:54
schestowitz	Yes	Jan 18 13:55
seller_liar	schestowitz: Extreme tech for more profit	Jan 18 13:55
schestowitz	That drove Unabomber nuts	Jan 18 13:55
schestowitz	That's why he killed people in positions of power	Jan 18 13:55
seller_liar	schestowitz: Extreme tech for more slavery	Jan 18 13:55
schestowitz	People clicking buttons for a living.	Jan 18 13:55
schestowitz	Rather.. as a way of live, not a living (as in wage)	Jan 18 13:55
seller_liar	schestowitz: Japanese life is a very artificial life	Jan 18 13:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: 12 hours per day of studies	Jan 18 13:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: More of 50 hours of work	Jan 18 13:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: Excessive consumism and technology	Jan 18 13:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: Altough , studies is a good thing,but the studies does not learn ethics	Jan 18 13:57
seller_liar	schestowitz: the study only learns science	Jan 18 13:57
seller_liar	schestowitz: More school training does not mean more ethics	Jan 18 13:58
seller_liar	schestowitz: More school training sometimes means more power and slavery	Jan 18 13:58
schestowitz	Study of work issues?	Jan 18 13:59
schestowitz	Got source on this?	Jan 18 13:59
schestowitz	The US is also an overworked culture, motivated by money and power.	Jan 18 13:59
seller_liar	schestowitz: no	Jan 18 13:59
schestowitz	But that's what they are credited and recognised for	Jan 18 14:00
seller_liar	schestowitz: But EU like UK have a school training about of 8hours	Jan 18 14:00
seller_liar	schestowitz: Japanese people lives 12 hours per day in a school	Jan 18 14:00
seller_liar	schestowitz: I think the good and recommended is only 8 hours	Jan 18 14:00
seller_liar	schestowitz: And all the time does not learn ethics	Jan 18 14:01
seller_liar	schestowitz: Moral is more important than power	Jan 18 14:02
seller_liar	schestowitz: Japanese people is credited because of power ,not the moral	Jan 18 14:02
seller_liar	schestowitz: "Oh japan have a lot of power!"	Jan 18 14:05
schestowitz	Try to say this to those with power	Jan 18 14:05
seller_liar	schestowitz: But japan is not of example the good ethics	Jan 18 14:05
schestowitz	The aim is to pass(propagate) this power downstream to future gens.	Jan 18 14:05
schestowitz	Japan lacks ethics based on its history	Jan 18 14:06
seller_liar	schestowitz: Like roman era	Jan 18 14:06
schestowitz	But so are many other countries.	Jan 18 14:06
schestowitz	The US nuked Japan for example.	Jan 18 14:06
seller_liar	schestowitz: Yes , but japan can be a example of good ethics , but it's not	Jan 18 14:06
seller_liar	schestowitz: japan is "just a hacker "	Jan 18 14:07
schestowitz	Just a hacker like Michael Meeks? ;-)	Jan 18 14:08
seller_liar	schestowitz: yes	Jan 18 14:08
seller_liar	schestowitz: Japan only works , there's no space for ethics	Jan 18 14:09
ushimitsudoki	seller_liar: you are japanese?	Jan 18 14:09
seller_liar	seller_liar: No , why?	Jan 18 14:09
seller_liar	ushimitsudoki: no why?	Jan 18 14:09
ushimitsudoki	seller_liar: just wondering what your basis for this opinion was.	Jan 18 14:10
seller_liar	ushimitsudoki: Japan just do the work	Jan 18 14:11
seller_liar	ushimitsudoki: Japan is not a master representation of ethics	Jan 18 14:11
seller_liar	ushimitsudoki: Of course, US ,Brazil is not	Jan 18 14:11
seller_liar	ushimitsudoki: The differncial in japan is .......luck	Jan 18 14:13
seller_liar	ushimitsudoki: But japanese people used the luck to grow in economics	Jan 18 14:13
schestowitz	ushimitsudoki: I'm basing a new post on your finding	Jan 18 14:13
schestowitz	One about .NET..	Jan 18 14:13
ushimitsudoki	cool i will read it when i get back!	Jan 18 14:14
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schestowitz	New wiki theme: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?t...	Jan 18 14:41
schestowitz	There are 7 options now (7 themes)	Jan 18 14:41
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tomka	good morning/afternoon everyone	Jan 18 14:43
seller_liar	ushimitsudoki: Sorry for talk about japanese people	Jan 18 14:43
ushimitsudoki	seller_liar: shrug everyone is entitled to their opinions	Jan 18 14:44
tomka	i am here to gather information about "why organisations switch back to microsoft from OS sometimes?"	Jan 18 14:44
tomka	can you help me?	Jan 18 14:45
schestowitz	Hey, tomka	Jan 18 14:45
schestowitz	Care to give a specific example?	Jan 18 14:46
schestowitz	I'm working on some evidence/cause soon... Microsoft's illegal tactics	Jan 18 14:46
tomka	i know about a hungarian tv station, which "switched" from linux to ms	Jan 18 14:46
tomka	in reality, they had an old linux server for e-mails	Jan 18 14:47
schestowitz	They could be bribed to do it, in one way or another	Jan 18 14:47
tomka	they wanted something new, shiny	Jan 18 14:47
schestowitz	There is no way to know without a look inside	Jan 18 14:47
schestowitz	All I can do is exposed what I have access to	Jan 18 14:47
tomka	so they bought five (5) ms servers with exchange, sharepoint, etc, and used the old linux as a frewall to protect the windowses from the Evil Internets	Jan 18 14:47
schestowitz	All else remains a "speculation" or "conpiracy theory". With antitrust material I have concrete evidence.	Jan 18 14:47
schestowitz	Microsoft marketing?	Jan 18 14:48
tomka	yes, this info is from a MS case study	Jan 18 14:48
schestowitz	Well, at this moment I talk to someone about a smoking gun from Microsoft	Jan 18 14:48
schestowitz	They lies to people about Linux...	Jan 18 14:48
schestowitz	MS Case study...	Jan 18 14:48
tomka	:)	Jan 18 14:48
schestowitz	So here is how it goes	Jan 18 14:48
schestowitz	"here's one million"	Jan 18 14:48
schestowitz	"Dump Linux"	Jan 18 14:48
tomka	yeah, the "funds" i read about on your page	Jan 18 14:49
schestowitz	Then they tout this case study and suggest everyone does that same	Jan 18 14:49
schestowitz	I'll published another part of IDC\|Gartner corruption tomorrow	Jan 18 14:49
schestowitz	It shows what could be criminal behaviour from Microsoft.	Jan 18 14:49
tomka	sounds interesting	Jan 18 14:51
schestowitz	SCO too	Jan 18 15:00
schestowitz	Maybe Groklaw will be interested.	Jan 18 15:00
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schestowitz	Microsoft should exit the Zune business < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_... >. Microsoft goes on the defense with statements now..... this one Asay deserves karma for, for a change.	Jan 18 15:41
schestowitz	Why Microsoft left Windows 7 unpatched on Patch Tuesday < http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/20... >	Jan 18 15:43
schestowitz	http://i.gizmodo.com/5132193/help-micro... Help Microsoft Design a Better BSOD for Windows 7	Jan 18 15:44
schestowitz	Slice through "Microsoft" news this week: for "Vista": 2 out of 700; for "ows 7": about 20 out of 700; Microsoft is ditching the Vista brand	Jan 18 15:45
schestowitz	Headlines about "XBox" don't mention the "N" word (Nintendo)... just a slog against another loser, Sony.	Jan 18 15:47
schestowitz	Microsoft Hides Sales Figures to Community Games Devs < http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/18544/Micros... >	Jan 18 15:47
schestowitz	EDGI: From FOSS, govt moves on to Microsoft < http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/f... >	Jan 18 15:48
schestowitz	Citizens should sue or something. Cronies sell their rights to Microsoft.	Jan 18 15:49
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schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/a...	Jan 18 16:36
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/157912/micr... http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?... I made the same observation last year.	Jan 18 16:39
schestowitz	Federated Media announces layoffs, shift away from display ads< http://news.cnet.com/8301-17... >. Good riddance, less brainwash	Jan 18 16:39
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seller_liar	I was thinking.....	Jan 18 16:43
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seller_liar	media and press sees fusions as a good thing/	Jan 18 16:43
schestowitz	seller_liar: news...	Jan 18 16:44
schestowitz	MS' investments in Comcast are moving.	Jan 18 16:44
schestowitz	This is related to Globo in Brazil.	Jan 18 16:44
schestowitz	http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/17/...	Jan 18 16:44
seller_liar	it's a good thing	Jan 18 16:45
seller_liar	m$ losing power	Jan 18 16:45
seller_liar	Comcast is a company in US which traffic -shape .Or not?	Jan 18 16:47
schestowitz	http://www.thespoof.com/news/spo... http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-google-lay...	Jan 18 16:47
schestowitz	http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1231978867... http://www.thestreet.com/story/10457992/1/microsoft-mu...	Jan 18 16:47
schestowitz	http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/0... http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Mul...	Jan 18 16:47
seller_liar	5000 only?	Jan 18 16:47
schestowitz	http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/...	Jan 18 16:48
seller_liar	I was thinking in 7500 or 10000	Jan 18 16:48
schestowitz	Optimistic analysts think so.	Jan 18 16:48
schestowitz	They could make it gradual and also lay off temps (not renew contracts)	Jan 18 16:48
seller_liar	schestowitz: damage control probably	Jan 18 16:48
schestowitz	When this is announced next week, we must amplify it	Jan 18 16:48
seller_liar	schestowitz: only 5000 but in fact can be 6000 or 8000	Jan 18 16:49
schestowitz	It's not often that you can show to the public that 'omnipotent MS' is a Big Lie	Jan 18 16:49
schestowitz	Explain this to your friends/family too...	Jan 18 16:49
seller_liar	schestowitz: probably 5000 can be 8 % of all workforce	Jan 18 16:49
schestowitz	They think Microsoft is rich, Gates is charitable and Windows is used by many because it's the best option	Jan 18 16:49
schestowitz	Microsoft uses talking heads to perpetuate these myths	Jan 18 16:50
schestowitz	Right now it used its talking heads to do damage control and underplay the layoffs	Jan 18 16:50
schestowitz	It will try the same thing next week.	Jan 18 16:50
schestowitz	Excuses and the likes, diversion and distraction. You'll see....	Jan 18 16:50
seller_liar	schestowitz: Try to scan the next possible layoffs	Jan 18 16:50
schestowitz	Will do.	Jan 18 16:51
seller_liar	schestowitz: But it's not so easy because m$ will send bit by bit	Jan 18 16:51
seller_liar	schestowitz: like 200 per month	Jan 18 16:51
schestowitz	Google Expected To See Slight Rise In 4Q Net Despite Economy < http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO... >	Jan 18 16:51
schestowitz	Yes, but there are subsidiaries too	Jan 18 16:52
schestowitz	It's complicated	Jan 18 16:52
schestowitz	http://www.informationweek.com/blog/ma...	Jan 18 16:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: COLA will be more free now	Jan 18 16:53
schestowitz	Hehe. yeah..	Jan 18 16:53
schestowitz	Hopefully...	Jan 18 16:53
schestowitz	It's already quieter	Jan 18 16:53
seller_liar	schestowitz: I don t like google, it's a web sand castle	Jan 18 16:53
schestowitz	I'm going to do a good post on Mono	Jan 18 16:54
seller_liar	schestowitz: about what?	Jan 18 16:54
seller_liar	schestowitz: patents? api?	Jan 18 16:54
schestowitz	Google I don't stand for or defend.... like IBM... just predatory giants knocking one another	Jan 18 16:54
schestowitz	It's like being occupied by a nation that takes away your freedom	Jan 18 16:54
schestowitz	You'd rather be occupied by the US, not China...	Jan 18 16:55
schestowitz	Microsoft is China... it suppresses freedom very aggressively.	Jan 18 16:55
schestowitz	seller_liar: antitrust	Jan 18 16:55
seller_liar	schestowitz: I'm bit worried because google and ibm can absorb all m$ market	Jan 18 16:56
seller_liar	schestowitz: And the things will be worst	Jan 18 16:56
schestowitz	Are we supposed to be impressed by IBM? http://www.crn.com/it-channel/212900625	Jan 18 16:56
schestowitz	seller_liar: I know.	Jan 18 16:56
schestowitz	Lotus is still proprietary.	Jan 18 16:56
schestowitz	I mailed them about it, but they're like Microsoft.	Jan 18 16:57
schestowitz	"if you really want to /view/ source code, we can arrange that..."	Jan 18 16:57
seller_liar	schestowitz: Sun contributes a lot more than IBM despite your size	Jan 18 16:57
schestowitz	Yes.	Jan 18 16:58
schestowitz	Apple is the worst, bar MS	Jan 18 16:58
seller_liar	schestowitz: The most worst thins in actual system is the total dependency of high	Jan 18 16:58
seller_liar	productivity	Jan 18 16:58
schestowitz	People are now becoming more scared of WIndows: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?comman...	Jan 18 16:58
schestowitz	seller_liar: I don't follow. Can you rephrase pls?	Jan 18 16:59
seller_liar	A big problem in actual economical system is the complete dependency of big markets	Jan 18 16:59
seller_liar	seller_liar: lack of money distribution	Jan 18 17:00
seller_liar	schestowitz: lack of moneyu distribution	Jan 18 17:00
twitter	Hi all.	Jan 18 17:00
schestowitz	Apple suffered a lot from Jobs' departure: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/apple-...	Jan 18 17:01
schestowitz	wb, twitter	Jan 18 17:01
schestowitz	seller_liar: yes, agreed.	Jan 18 17:01
twitter	It's funny. Bloomberg had a story about Apple shares falling the day before they fell.	Jan 18 17:01
schestowitz	After Weeks Of Gloomy Rumors, Microsoft To Report Earnings < http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200... >	Jan 18 17:02
schestowitz	twitter: maybe they fell two days in a row?	Jan 18 17:02
twitter	no. The Bloomberg story ran the day Apple made it's announcement. The share price fell the next morning .... after all the doom and gloom stories.	Jan 18 17:03
schestowitz	tessier: http://www.tajikistannews.net/story/452441 (China censors websites in vulgarity crackdown)	Jan 18 17:04
twitter	can you actually get to that wsj article. They've had the same teaser for days with different Google news headlines.	Jan 18 17:04
twitter	*?	Jan 18 17:04
schestowitz	Room for inside-trading at Apple	Jan 18 17:04
schestowitz	The FraudStreet is so manipulation-enabled; but it hadn't crashes until recently.	Jan 18 17:04
schestowitz	twitter: I can't, but BugMeNot might help	Jan 18 17:05
twitter	Google news' tech section has also started picking up comments from Wintel articles - total astroturf and worse than Slashdot comments. The place is spammed out.	Jan 18 17:05
seller_liar	schestowitz: RIAA vs mp3 guy will be live !	Jan 18 17:05
schestowitz	Yeah, Dell is 'very serious' about ditching Microsoft.. very .... "Dell has acquired Allin's Microsoft IT consulting business" http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/busine...	Jan 18 17:06
twitter	They said they were?	Jan 18 17:06
schestowitz	Google News is spammed	Jan 18 17:06
twitter	spammed badly.	Jan 18 17:06
schestowitz	I have some filters in Thunderbird to clean it up, deleting items from publications I hare	Jan 18 17:06
schestowitz	Sys-Con is a massive Google News spammer	Jan 18 17:06
twitter	I hope Google can fix themselves.	Jan 18 17:07
schestowitz	The accurate term if keyword stuffing I think. 2/3 of the page are just company names to stuff up the engine	Jan 18 17:07
schestowitz	Don't worry, Google have 10,000 MSFTers to recruit from now... :-S	Jan 18 17:08
twitter	Have job cuts been announced?	Jan 18 17:08
schestowitz	Next week	Jan 18 17:08
schestowitz	I reckon MS gave WSJ a hint	Jan 18 17:08
schestowitz	This way it's excpected	Jan 18 17:08
schestowitz	So when they announce poorer than expected results they'll offer the 'medicine'	Jan 18 17:09
twitter	They gave everyone a hint and spammed it out so badly it will be hard to find the real story later.	Jan 18 17:09
twitter	They understand that a flood of lies is effective.	Jan 18 17:10
schestowitz	http://www.schaeffersresearch.com/commenta... "Today's Early Edge includes restructuring news from Autodesk, Inc. (ADSK), rumored job cuts at Microsoft Corporation (MSFT), valuation concerns for Force Protection, Inc. (FRPT), and a cautiously bullish note for Delta Air Lines, Inc. (DAL). Read on to learn more about today	Jan 18 17:10
schestowitz	's stocks on the move.	Jan 18 17:10
schestowitz	"	Jan 18 17:10
schestowitz	Have they flooded Google with enough "Win7" and "Linux killer" headline yet?	Jan 18 17:11
schestowitz	*lines	Jan 18 17:11
twitter	That's another big spam.	Jan 18 17:11
twitter	They said things like that about Vista, didn't they?	Jan 18 17:12
schestowitz	Yes, many times	Jan 18 17:12
schestowitz	They also spread this in forums	Jan 18 17:12
schestowitz	"Last nail on Linux' coffin" was a popular phrase at the time (re: Vista)	Jan 18 17:12
twitter	Ed Bott promised Win 7 for July. Freezing the market as best as they can.	Jan 18 17:12
schestowitz	2010 is likely	Jan 18 17:13
schestowitz	It's too buggy	Jan 18 17:13
twitter	Sure, but they keep bullshitting people in order to keep people from leaving.	Jan 18 17:13
twitter	If what I've seen is typical, people who go to Vista are as good as gone to them. It's still that buggy.	Jan 18 17:15
schestowitz	Write this in your book: TGdaily is MS propaganda site	Jan 18 17:15
schestowitz	Based on who writes there and what they publish	Jan 18 17:15
twitter	Vista 7 is not really going to be better.	Jan 18 17:15
schestowitz	Too much pro-MS stuff and Linux/Apple-hostile stuff	Jan 18 17:15
schestowitz	Intel, Cisco and Microsoft look to improve global education < http://www.tgdaily.com/content/v... >	Jan 18 17:15
schestowitz	EDGI	Jan 18 17:15
schestowitz	Vista 7 is going to be better than Vista.	Jan 18 17:15
schestowitz	But that's not saying much.	Jan 18 17:16
twitter	it is Vista	Jan 18 17:16
schestowitz	+lipstick+hype (marketing)	Jan 18 17:17
twitter	Vista has improved but it's still a mess of monthly and service patches, DRM, security flaws and all that.	Jan 18 17:17
schestowitz	They are trying to rally and prepare 3rd-party devs/ISVs	Jan 18 17:17
twitter	If you do what M$ tells you, it bricks itself.	Jan 18 17:18
schestowitz	This reminds me of the EDGI docs: http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2233779...	Jan 18 17:19
schestowitz	Look at this fluff... http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?...	Jan 18 17:20
twitter	The uptick if viruses and system failures is typical for a new Windows launch. They want to destroy XP so that people will be forced to buy new computers. It's amazing they try to pull the same stunt in a recession.	Jan 18 17:20
schestowitz	Microsoft.. familiy... they play the same mental game with minority groups... part for the PR assault.	Jan 18 17:20
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twitter	M$ may "win" Yahoo, but they can only do to it what they did to Hotmail.	Jan 18 17:21
schestowitz	Copying from Google again: Microsoft launches a policy blog < http://www.prweekus.com/Microsoft-launches-... >	Jan 18 17:23
twitter	POS with windows? There have been so many embarrassments there, how can they dare recommend more of the same?	Jan 18 17:23
schestowitz	Many UK ATMs runs Windows	Jan 18 17:23
schestowitz	The other day in the Metro, it was reported that an ATM had been giving people twice what they requested	Jan 18 17:23
schestowitz	It lasted for 6 hours	Jan 18 17:24
schestowitz	Microsoft tried telling people that it's s*ware isn't so bad.. http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/security/... "Microsoft: Phishing losses greatly over-estimated"	Jan 18 17:27
schestowitz	Next they blame the users for being "stupid", not the programmer	Jan 18 17:27
schestowitz	Microsoft’s New Advertising Campaign: “It’s Everybody’s Business” http://www.designtaxi.com/news.jsp?id=...	Jan 18 17:29
schestowitz	It has occured to me that it would be good to start referring to Windows XP as "Windows 2001"	Jan 18 17:30
schestowitz	This will raise awareness of how old and rusty Microsoft's 'best OS' really is and encourage trying -- say -- Mandriva 2009	Jan 18 17:31
schestowitz	Microsoft Spiraling < http://thedenveregotist.com/article/34... >	Jan 18 17:31
twitter	W2K+1 = XP	Jan 18 17:40
twitter	The "I'm minding Everyone's Business" has Unlimited Potential.	Jan 18 17:40
schestowitz	It's 2009 now, so calling Windows XP Win2001 would be useful	Jan 18 17:40
twitter	Yes.	Jan 18 17:41
schestowitz	Like saying, "you're so yesterday"	Jan 18 17:41
schestowitz	I have Mandriva 2008.1 on this box (Spring)	Jan 18 17:41
twitter	2001, a retro future oddity	Jan 18 17:41
schestowitz	Win7: "you're so beta"; Vista: "even Seinfeld couldn't take it anymore"	Jan 18 17:42
schestowitz	What the Eff… Is Wrong With Microsoft? < http://loot-ninja.com/2009/01/15/wha... >	Jan 18 17:43
schestowitz	VMware hiring ex-Microsoft execs; Marathon helps Citrix and now Microsoft with HA and FT < http://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualiza... >	Jan 18 17:43
schestowitz	It's wrong. _EMC_ hies ex-Softies, VMware got tossed inside out (if that's possible). Tucci is slimy suit.	Jan 18 17:44
twitter	Phishing, it's all the media's fault they say, " stories of easy money may be encouraging a phishing "gold rush" effect" Don't tell the truth, it will only make things worse. How pathetic.	Jan 18 17:45
schestowitz	Yes, I know.	Jan 18 17:48
schestowitz	Anyway, I'm off to the gym now. bbl	Jan 18 17:48
twitter	later	Jan 18 17:48
trmanco	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9fqlI9B6QU	Jan 18 18:10
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twitter	going to watch	Jan 18 18:33
twitter	M$ Death Watch updated with M$'s 1998 GNU/Linux awareness and 2002 Linux Panic Attack. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jour...	Jan 18 18:34
twitter	it's lunch time, bbl	Jan 18 18:34
twitter	This stuff is hard to look at, http://cc.aljazeera.net/	Jan 18 18:50
twitter	One interview summed it all up for me. A woman without water and electricity pointed to her broken windows, wrecked walls and shrapnel.	Jan 18 18:52
twitter	Asked, "Do you blame Hamas for this?" she answered, "No, it's been the same since I was a little girl. We are punished whoever is in power."	Jan 18 18:53
schestowitz	The Wiki is coming along nicely. It'll evolve and look good at the end. I'll also link to Groklaw, Register, etc over time.	Jan 18 19:46
schestowitz	Circuit City clears shelves ahead of closure http://www.itwire.com/content/v...	Jan 18 20:07
schestowitz	Circuit City, I Won't Miss You < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157925/cir... >	Jan 18 20:08
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schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-fe... "Many UK ISPs have censored part or all of the Internet Archive. The idea that the public should be "protected" from certain ideas is more dangerous than anything they try to "protect" us from."	Jan 18 20:32
schestowitz	The third runway is the final betrayal < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/... >	Jan 18 20:36
schestowitz	SFLC: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/bl... (LGPL'ing of Qt Will Encourage More Software Freedom)	Jan 18 20:57
tessier	Final betrayel?	Jan 18 23:18
tessier	betrayal	Jan 18 23:18
schestowitz	Where?	Jan 18 23:18
tessier	<schestowitz> The third runway is the final betrayal < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20... >	Jan 18 23:18
schestowitz	Oh, that	Jan 18 23:18
tessier	What do you mean?	Jan 18 23:19
schestowitz	Global warming ignored by the Clown regime	Jan 18 23:19
schestowitz	There is also Internet censorship in Germany now.	Jan 18 23:19
tessier	Another runway will cause global warming?	Jan 18 23:19
schestowitz	That's what they say.....	Jan 18 23:19
schestowitz	Erosion of rights either way, re: Germany	Jan 18 23:20
tessier	INdeed	Jan 18 23:20
schestowitz	Thanks for this pointer BTW: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/as...	Jan 18 23:20
schestowitz	I'm doing many posts now	Jan 18 23:20
tessier	You're welcome	Jan 18 23:21
*tessier downloads Fedora 10 and hopes to finally reinstall his desktop today		Jan 18 23:21
tessier	Making and verifying backups now.	Jan 18 23:21
schestowitz	F10 got decent reviews	Jan 18 23:22
schestowitz	F9 was a mess based on what I read at the time	Jan 18 23:22
schestowitz	MS sued: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/mi...	Jan 18 23:22
twitter	I still don't follow the logic behind lgpl of QT. QT and the OS are free now, how is moving to the lgpl and encouraging proprietary stuff on top of it supposed to make QT "community developed"?	Jan 18 23:53
MinceR	it means Qt remains just as useful even without Nokia	Jan 18 23:54
MinceR	commercial developers can improve Qt knowing that they get to keep using it even if Nokia goes under	Jan 18 23:55
schestowitz	But.. but... Nokia is in Finland (up north)	Jan 18 23:57
MinceR	lol	Jan 18 23:57
schestowitz	twitter: you'll love this video.	Jan 18 23:57
MinceR	making Qt LGPL was IMO a necessary step for it to compete with GTK	Jan 18 23:57
schestowitz	I stilll proofread it though: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/...	Jan 18 23:58
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MinceR	restricting who can use a GUI toolkit means your GUI environment will by necessity be non-uniform, which is bad in a usability sense	Jan 18 23:59

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