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| schestowitz | Interesting lecture... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v... | Jan 20 02:52 |
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| slackware-jennie | Hello. | Jan 20 06:18 |
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| slackware-jennie | Would anyone mind if I posted a link to a website that helped change my entire opinion of Microsoft? | Jan 20 06:20 |
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| slackware-jennie | It was written by a guy named Vansween or something like that. | Jan 20 06:21 |
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| ushimitsudoki | go ahead if you like | Jan 20 06:25 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I'll give it a look at least | Jan 20 06:26 |
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| slackware-jennie | ushimitsudoki, http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsof... | Jan 20 06:34 |
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| MinceR | he gives way too much credit to m$ | Jan 20 07:29 |
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| MinceR | "end users were completely dependent on a hardware manufacturer not only for hardware, but also for platform-specific operating systems and application software. Microsoft's marketing strategy put an end to that" | Jan 20 07:30 |
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| MinceR | Unix, anyone? | Jan 20 07:30 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Jan 20 09:17 |
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| schestowitz | Morning | Jan 20 09:18 |
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| kentma | hi | Jan 20 09:22 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: are you there? | Jan 20 09:56 |
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| seller_liar | interesting article about .net | Jan 20 11:24 |
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| seller_liar | http://www.gnu.org/software/dot... | Jan 20 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't seen it yet | Jan 20 11:27 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: explain interesting things abou m$ .net | Jan 20 11:28 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz:GPL v1 : companies are enemies | Jan 20 11:34 |
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| seller_liar | The license agreements of most software companies try to keep users at the mercy of those companies. | Jan 20 11:34 |
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| seller_liar | http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/view... | Jan 20 11:34 |
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| PetoKraus | right, i've got a question for you guys | Jan 20 11:59 |
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| PetoKraus | over the three months, i've paid €£148.50 for gas bills for the whole flat | Jan 20 11:59 |
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| PetoKraus | now guess what was the actual consumption. | Jan 20 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | Go head. | Jan 20 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | *ahead | Jan 20 12:01 |
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| PetoKraus | €£89.21, bitch! | Jan 20 12:01 |
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| PetoKraus | i guess not using the central heating helps | Jan 20 12:03 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm just wondering what'll the electricity be like. | Jan 20 12:04 |
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| seller_ | novuel does m$ propaganda | Jan 20 12:35 |
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| seller_ | http://tirania.org/blog/archiv... | Jan 20 12:35 |
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| seller_ | Microsoft worked late last night to get us access to the code that will be used during the inauguration so we could test it with Moonlight. " | Jan 20 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | monkey business. | Jan 20 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | XAML... be at Microsoft's smercy | Jan 20 12:41 |
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| seller_ | schestowitz: probably the experience can be worst than silverblight | Jan 20 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | Of course | Jan 20 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | That's the idea of Mono and Monolight[sic] | Jan 20 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | Linux=crappy; Windows=the Real Thing | Jan 20 12:42 |
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| seller_ | schestowitz:probably tell to the user , switch to silverblight now | Jan 20 12:42 |
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| seller_ | schestowitz: "for more experience switch to silverlie now!" | Jan 20 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | OMG | Jan 20 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | Allchin - SCO? | Jan 20 12:51 |
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| MinceR | what's surprising about that? | Jan 20 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | Wow | Jan 20 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | No... you'll se... | Jan 20 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going through 50 pages of transcripts | Jan 20 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | B*stards | Jan 20 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | "And whether the lawsuit comes from Wind River or in X, Y, Z, there’s going to be one. Guaranteed. As I sit here today, I will guarantee you at some point there's going to be a challenge about the patents." | Jan 20 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | 6 months before SCO. | Jan 20 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | "And there’s going to be a patent lawsuit on Linux. It’s bound to happen. I’m just asking -not and the patent lawsuit won’t really be about the license. It will be simply, "Hey, these guys took intellectual property." " | Jan 20 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | That's the THIRD evidence from Sept. 2002 | Jan 20 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | "MR. MARTIN: Class action lawsuit. " | Jan 20 12:54 |
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| kentma | Windriver decided to go the other way and to adopt linux; they were one of the early members of the Linux Foundation (now OSDL) | Jan 20 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I kno. | Jan 20 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | Based on somehting he said around the same time, I reckon he /might/ know about SCO | Jan 20 13:08 |
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| kentma | agreed, it's a strong possibility. | Jan 20 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | In this roundtable... | Jan 20 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Allchin says he's afraid of Linux | Jan 20 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | 2002... | Jan 20 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | His partners use it.. | Jan 20 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: I didn't post this in COLA. | Jan 20 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of the better material I can't post there cause it ain't news | Jan 20 13:09 |
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| schestowitz | Allchin explored how to hurt Linux with IP (another memo) | Jan 20 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | MS GM in India spoke about "Sco -- Novell" around the same time | Jan 20 13:10 |
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| kentma | schestowitz: there's nothing to stop you posting "opinion" material, is there? or even "analysis" - hey - that's an idea - why don't you consider posting some items as [Analysis], and I'll update my digest script to look out for them and include them? | Jan 20 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* "And do you know how many calls I get about "I don’t know what’s happened. I opened up my Word and it’s just typing." And you sit there and scratch your head, well - because it’s on " | Jan 20 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | It's funny reading about their problems... | Jan 20 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Also being cracked... servers and all... | Jan 20 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: I do that in BN already | Jan 20 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | I can't duplicate posts. The MS Munchkins will resent it. | Jan 20 13:15 |
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| kentma | schestowitz: twas just a thought. | Jan 20 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Epidemic GNU/Linux" < http://www.epidemiclinux.org/ > | Jan 20 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | When All You Have Is A Patent Hammer, Every Software Task Looks Like A Nail < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090... > | Jan 20 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090... "There was just that report noting that 20% of teens admitted to sending around sexually explicit photos of themselves -- and now, six high school students in Pennsylvania are facing child porn charges because the three girls took naked photos of themselves and sent them to some boys (thanks to everyone who sent this in). The girls are charged with manufacturing, disseminating | Jan 20 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | or possessing child pornography, while the boys who received the photos are charged with possession. N" | Jan 20 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | White-collar criminals are out loose without attention from the law while a bunch of kids texting each other keep the police busy. What a sham! | Jan 20 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | And Obamaism in power now... It's a shame that one among the two 'elite' representatives was elected again.. Bit it's the lesser of the two evil, so... what could ever elevate Nader if not advertising (the "A" in USA) | Jan 20 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | *"but" ; "evil" | Jan 20 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | Inauguration as Flash: http://orcmid.com/blog/ | Jan 20 15:22 |
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| balzac | Roy what's up man? | Jan 20 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | Not much | Jan 20 15:23 |
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| balzac | Keith Olberman calls for torture prosecution today | Jan 20 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | I spent 5 hours today putting together text from 50 pages | Jan 20 15:23 |
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| balzac | The latest from Jim Allchin is great. What amazing content that is. | Jan 20 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28739674/ | Jan 20 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | I see... | Jan 20 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | I have two more about Allchin | Jan 20 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon I have something that may -- again -- connect him+MS to SCO | Jan 20 15:24 |
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| balzac | I thought the Halloween documents were exciting back in the day, but these recent memos reveal so much. | Jan 20 15:25 |
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| balzac | That's good news. Your site has become the clearing house for internal Microsoft leakage. | Jan 20 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | It's not torture if they call it "rendition" ;-) | Jan 20 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: you can help us out in the Wiki | Jan 20 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | We have enough to do this for years | Jan 20 15:28 |
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| balzac | I want to help myself out by brokering some software deployment contracts and using your information to push out competing bids from Microsoft. | Jan 20 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | They should be imprisoned really | Jan 20 15:30 |
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| balzac | It's good to have information with which to contradict all the propaganda and get people to actually question the next MS upgrade | Jan 20 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | And their products embargoed... and I'm not a bitter person.. I've just seen enough | Jan 20 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft shows people puppies and Zunes... they tend to think that Microsoft's evils -- which its drones are spinning -- are bundling a 'better' browser in Windows | Jan 20 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | In the next big post, Jim Allchin says “We Feel a Huge Threat from Linux” | Jan 20 15:32 |
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| balzac | Well, I'll settle for fines, myself. I'll be happy if they put Bush and his cronies in jail. Microsoft has certainly broken the law, but fines and the loss of market-share are enough justice for me re M$. | Jan 20 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | That was in 2002. Now even Ballmer says this _publicly_ (#1 competitor) | Jan 20 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | They have talking points... a popular one right now is "computer=desktop; Net Applications junk (bogus stats) say Linux<1%" | Jan 20 15:33 |
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| balzac | Bill Gates ego is goign to be deflated | Jan 20 15:33 |
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| MinceR | what info do you have about Net Applications? | Jan 20 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | By that logic, I might as well say that 'good' computers choose Linux 94% of the time | Jan 20 15:33 |
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| balzac | RMS will be acknowledged as the #1 software geek ever. | Jan 20 15:33 |
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| MinceR | a m$ fanboy i know keeps quoting them | Jan 20 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | Only 'stupid' users choose Windows | Jan 20 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | Net Applications = big lie | Jan 20 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/07/... | Jan 20 15:34 |
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| MinceR | (iirc their methodology is very suspicious, but perhaps they have m$ connections or things like that?) | Jan 20 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | They don't count hits | Jan 20 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | They count referrals selectively | Jan 20 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | They don't give away their data | Jan 20 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | For all I know, 50% of their bigger samples can be MS-oriented sites that track people who just click on ads (i.e. sheep) | Jan 20 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | I will soon write about IDC/IDG too | Jan 20 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | They are attacking Linux too | Jan 20 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's Google wannaboism again: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/19/mi... | Jan 20 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | Is T3 connected to MS? http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/... | Jan 20 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | There was a proxy fight like this before... | Jan 20 15:42 |
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| balzac | Roy, you're one of the few who are paranoid enough to even conceive of what Microsoft is really up to. It's not easy for others to see because most people just can't imagine the scope of the payola and the deception. | Jan 20 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | T3 Technologies | Jan 20 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?sourcei... | Jan 20 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: no accusation, just checking | Jan 20 15:43 |
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| balzac | It's becoming clearer to people after 8 years of Bush. | Jan 20 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | That other one (last year) was shown by others | Jan 20 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | That's just business. | Jan 20 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.t3technologies4u.com/AboutUs.html | Jan 20 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the page | Jan 20 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | Not the same one I think.. | Jan 20 15:44 |
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| balzac | Well, your revelations which have been mostly very informative with a high degree of accuracy (taking into account the honest mistakes we all make), have not actually surprised me. | Jan 20 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the bouncing man (animated gif): http://www.t3technologies4u.com/index.html | Jan 20 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: thanks. | Jan 20 15:45 |
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| balzac | I'd have been surprised if Microsoft weren't doing what they're doing. | Jan 20 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | "T3 Announces Investment from Microsoft Read press release." | Jan 20 15:45 |
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| balzac | Just look at the systemic corruption in all institutions. Why would anyone expect Microsoft to be better than the banks, the stock market, the congress, the media, etc? | Jan 20 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | Well, now we might be getting somewhere... | Jan 20 15:46 |
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| balzac | It's just a rotten phase of history. | Jan 20 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: yes, exactly. | Jan 20 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | OMG | Jan 20 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | ROTFL | Jan 20 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | I'll need to get a screenshot of this | Jan 20 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | It's so funny. | Jan 20 15:47 |
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| balzac | nice website | Jan 20 15:47 |
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| seller_liar | hey roy | Jan 20 15:48 |
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| seller_liar | It 's possible to put a list of m$ shill and novell devs in wiki? | Jan 20 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: sure. | Jan 20 15:50 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: thanks | Jan 20 15:50 |
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| seller_liar | seller_liar: but put a list of doubtful people , like dan-0 brain | Jan 20 15:50 |
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| seller_liar | seller_liar: alexHater | Jan 20 15:51 |
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| seller_liar | seller_liar: g michaels | Jan 20 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: put it here: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index... | Jan 20 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | I'll edit with you. | Jan 20 15:51 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Ms shill first | Jan 20 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 20 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Tell me when you finish editing. | Jan 20 15:52 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: James Evangelist plamodon | Jan 20 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | I can add people whom we covered in BN and link for evidence. | Jan 20 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Alex Brown, Jeff Gould, etc. | Jan 20 15:52 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: ok | Jan 20 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | Put in the names mentioned here so far | Jan 20 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | I'll add links later | Jan 20 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | E.g. James P... we have growing evidence for 'indictment' | Jan 20 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Are you editing? | Jan 20 15:59 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Yes, but I'm putting links to james site | Jan 20 15:59 |
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| balzac | I've got some fresh paranoia that I haven't told many about | Jan 20 15:59 |
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| balzac | Check this out, it's about the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation | Jan 20 15:59 |
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| balzac | Take it with a grain of salt because it's a touchy subject and it's just my own take on it | Jan 20 16:00 |
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| balzac | Ok, how much money has gone to Africa through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation? Billions, right? | Jan 20 16:00 |
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| seller_liar | I have saved a example | Jan 20 16:00 |
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| balzac | How much of that has gone towards HIV treatment drugs? | Jan 20 16:01 |
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| seller_liar | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index... | Jan 20 16:01 |
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| balzac | Brazil wanted to manufacture HIV drugs generically and they were threatened with a penalty from the WTO | Jan 20 16:02 |
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| balzac | so, what is the (arbitrary and inflated) cost of HIV drugs in Africa? | Jan 20 16:02 |
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| seller_liar | But I will put names only then | Jan 20 16:02 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: I'll add some more links later as well. | Jan 20 16:03 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: ok | Jan 20 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | We also have credbility index | Jan 20 16:03 |
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| balzac | How much of the money from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ends up in the coffers of drug companies who pay the same lobbyists who attack software freedom and scientific and medical freedom? | Jan 20 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: they invest in African oil | Jan 20 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | Have you seen the video from the LA-based team's investigation? | Jan 20 16:03 |
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| balzac | no | Jan 20 16:03 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: have you heard about Gates playing for big pharmas? | Jan 20 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | I have two links for you then. | Jan 20 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on | Jan 20 16:04 |
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| balzac | ok | Jan 20 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | 1. Must-watch video: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/02/the... | Jan 20 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | 2. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/05/intel... | Jan 20 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | Scroll down to the bottom part about pharamas and remember that drugs have no manufacturing costs (almost), just like s/w | Jan 20 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | So the pharmas without life-saving drugs from people to whom it could give it for humanitarian reasons. | Jan 20 16:06 |
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| balzac | exactly | Jan 20 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | This scarcity is battled by Melinda and Pearly. | Jan 20 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | They perpetuate the believe that to save life we need to extract money from poor people whom we abuse (to make oil money for Pearly) | Jan 20 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | I wish I had the means to explain this to people. Microsoft has many moles that attack all those who dare to say how the tax-evading Fundation works... | Jan 20 16:07 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I 'm getting all 0 points of your credibility list | Jan 20 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Last one for the reading list: 3) http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/23/gate... | Jan 20 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: what do you mean/? | Jan 20 16:08 |
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| seller_liar | http://boycottnovell.com/credibility-index/ | Jan 20 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. I see you're editing | Jan 20 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | I'll add more when you finish. | Jan 20 16:08 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I'm putting all 0 points in wiki | Jan 20 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | We can reuse or merge too | Jan 20 16:08 |
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| balzac | The credibility list takes a certain amount of chutzpah to do, but it's definitely a bit silly. | Jan 20 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Please do, seller_liar | Jan 20 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | I need to also link to the evidence a little more. | Jan 20 16:09 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: ok | Jan 20 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | We'll organise layout later. | Jan 20 16:09 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: ok | Jan 20 16:09 |
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| balzac | It would need more places, not just 0-4, and then it would need lots of user-created data to place people in it. | Jan 20 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: no-one is invited to use it. | Jan 20 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | That's like me complaining that someone in the gym says truths about me. | Jan 20 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: yes, I know. | Jan 20 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | A reader asked for this list | Jan 20 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | That's how it began | Jan 20 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | To people who don't watch the news closely, site names don't mean much, let alone writer names. | Jan 20 16:10 |
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| balzac | I had thought of making a similar list in a different context than software. It has a certain comedic value to rate people with numbers. | Jan 20 16:11 |
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| balzac | You would need to score different areas of their bias to make it more objective. | Jan 20 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | I'm sick of UK cronyism.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-... | Jan 20 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: I saw such interactive lists before | Jan 20 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | But they are spammable. | Jan 20 16:12 |
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| balzac | numbers which capture how and why they're writing on behalf of MS. Naivety is one reason. | Jan 20 16:12 |
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| balzac | right, as soon as you open it up to user-created content, along comes Microsoft's "reputation management consultants". | Jan 20 16:13 |
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| balzac | Anyway, I'm happy to see the list because of who it's coming from and who is on it. | Jan 20 16:14 |
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| balzac | I definitely take the numbers into consideration. | Jan 20 16:14 |
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| balzac | I don't know as many of the names of those in the software pundit class. | Jan 20 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01... :-) | Jan 20 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | The investment is just a coincidence... | Jan 20 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's just a smart investment | Jan 20 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | At the right time | Jan 20 16:15 |
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| balzac | Roy, here's something for you to consider - how are you going to profit from Microsoft's downfall? Each of us who knows the value of freedom should have some stake in it. | Jan 20 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Jan 20 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | I never thought about it. | Jan 20 16:16 |
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| balzac | Maybe we can talk business later on, because I'm not interested in pure activism anymore. | Jan 20 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | There is hardly anything to gain from fighting cortruption, just by engaging in it. | Jan 20 16:16 |
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| balzac | Activism without a business plan is only going to scale so far. | Jan 20 16:16 |
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| balzac | it's not corruption if you disclose your interests. | Jan 20 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | Explaining this to peer or familier ain't easy either and Groklaw does donations of souvenirs (cups etc.) | Jan 20 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | *liar | Jan 20 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | *familiar | Jan 20 16:17 |
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| balzac | I say it directly, I'm ideologically for free software and against microsoft and I put my money on free software too. | Jan 20 16:17 |
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| balzac | Microsoft does the same. | Jan 20 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | What are the choices? | Jan 20 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's also possible to do part-timing. | Jan 20 16:18 |
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| balzac | well, like any modern business in the IT sector, you may need to separate your work into a foundation and a corporation, or some similar two-pronged strategy. | Jan 20 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Which I did until not so long ago | Jan 20 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Academia is good setting for this | Jan 20 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | MIT for example... RMS is still ther,e Shomsky too. | Jan 20 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | *Chomsky | Jan 20 16:18 |
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| balzac | But you've got to put your money behind your activism. Trust me, your opponents will be more scared than if you remain some kind of renunciate. | Jan 20 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Put money how? | Jan 20 16:19 |
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| balzac | Be in line to profit from success of your activist agenda. | Jan 20 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | And also, this devalues the work because money puts interests ay play | Jan 20 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | profit comes from selling something | Jan 20 16:19 |
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| balzac | Roy, to those who embrace that particular idea of personal disinterest, yes. | Jan 20 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Information, products, etc. | Jan 20 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | But information is a commodity now. | Jan 20 16:20 |
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| balzac | But if you make your disclosures, it's fair. | Jan 20 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | So I can't make money from writting... newspapers just have 'bubbles' ETM | Jan 20 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | *ATM | Jan 20 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | *writing | Jan 20 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: I'm no lobbyist | Jan 20 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | This reminds me of the FFII people.. | Jan 20 16:20 |
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| balzac | yeah, but look at poor RMS, sitting on a plane for 10 hrs to China, probably flying coach. Meanwhile, those dick-heads from Google have their own air-strip. | Jan 20 16:20 |
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| balzac | Trust me dude, I'm right about this. | Jan 20 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | I see your point | Jan 20 16:21 |
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| balzac | If for no other reason than sustainability, you have to keep your standard of living and life-style up. | Jan 20 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | But RMS is happy with what he has | Jan 20 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Political influence in the US is a hard game | Jan 20 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Those who bribe get their way, and it's a cyclic thing. | Jan 20 16:22 |
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| balzac | or you get old, tired and grumpy like Ralph Nader | Jan 20 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | You mentioned flying coach.. what's wrong with that. | Jan 20 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | Like the old speeches from RMS about brainwash for lavish lifestyles. | Jan 20 16:22 |
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| balzac | Seriously though, people who are adding so much value need to live more comfortably, or their voices won't last nearly as long as they could with a more comfortable life. | Jan 20 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | Cars, mortgage, vacations to escape from vassalisation | Jan 20 16:23 |
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| balzac | Roy, I'm a lot younger than RMS and I felt nearly crushed by a 10hr flight to China flying coach. | Jan 20 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | Ralph Nader is OK | Jan 20 16:23 |
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| balzac | He's a dignitary, an important old man who should be flying first class. | Jan 20 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's not his style | Jan 20 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | You can't be a Kerry speaking to the poor. | Jan 20 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | It won't work | Jan 20 16:24 |
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| balzac | I understand that, but he flies 90 different locations in a year. | Jan 20 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | So his welfare on the plane is a high priority... | Jan 20 16:24 |
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| balzac | And the budget of the FSF is so small. Less than $1M last I checked. | Jan 20 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | But what does 1st class give that's much better? | Jan 20 16:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's almost rhetorical. | Jan 20 16:25 |
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| balzac | You can sleep horizontal. You get drinks and snacks. | Jan 20 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | That's not a high priority, IMHO | Jan 20 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | I worked for many years from an office where I got all the basic and more. | Jan 20 16:25 |
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| balzac | It is, but people who embrace the renunciate style too strongly don't get it. | Jan 20 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | RMS used to work (and LIVE) in his office in MIT. The isue with planes is probably connectivity | Jan 20 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | That's the nature of traveling so muc. | Jan 20 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | I guess his health is a factor too. | Jan 20 16:27 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde... | Jan 20 16:27 |
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| balzac | Roy, you've got a lot of stamina, but imagine being around 50 years old, flying to 90 different places and flying coach. | Jan 20 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | But I never understood why he travels so much when digital approach to mind is effective too. | Jan 20 16:27 |
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| balzac | damn right it's a factor. | Jan 20 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: sorry if I sounded inconsiderate (over text) | Jan 20 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | I know, I've heard stories. | Jan 20 16:27 |
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| balzac | Well, RMS reacted the same way. "It's not a priority. The money is better spent on other things. Don't tell me how to do my thing." | Jan 20 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: excellent.. I'll extend it a bit | Jan 20 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | (unless you still edit) | Jan 20 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | Wikimedia merges, not locks | Jan 20 16:28 |
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| balzac | He's wrong. He's taking his health for granted as if it's a renewable resource. It isn't if you don't take care of yourself | Jan 20 16:28 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Thanks! | Jan 20 16:29 |
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| balzac | My dad is older than RMS and I've seen the way it goes for the tough guys. | Jan 20 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: RMS is about my dad's age | Jan 20 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Which is interesting | Jan 20 16:29 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I was thinking in put a credibility point widget | Jan 20 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | He began GNU when he was about 30 | Jan 20 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: for sites? | Jan 20 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see. | Jan 20 16:30 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: and people too | Jan 20 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: not simply, I'd need to put s/w | Jan 20 16:30 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I know | Jan 20 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | IDC[sic]: http://www.pcworld.com/article/157957/ibm_cou... Nothing about Microsoft... nada... | Jan 20 16:31 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: It 's possible to put localisation of shills ? | Jan 20 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe | Jan 20 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | I guess. | Jan 20 16:31 |
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| balzac | I'll be AFK for a while | Jan 20 16:31 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Is very important , for example , sites in Brazil like meiobit is pro m$ | Jan 20 16:31 |
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| balzac | ttyl | Jan 20 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: thanks for dropping by | Jan 20 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: by all means add a subpage or something. | Jan 20 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/ind... | Jan 20 16:34 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Thanks! | Jan 20 16:34 |
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