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schestowitzStory pulled: "Microsoft’s own Silverlight site prompts Linux users to download and install the open source alternative, Moonlight, on their computer as an alternative to Silverlight. Moonlight, however, is only compatible with Silverlight 1.0 and the SpeedServices website requires Silverlight 2.0."Feb 11 00:05
schestowitz"Most recently the Independent Electoral Commission (IEC) came under fire for blocking non-Microsoft users from the Elections.org.za website. Users were greeted with an error message informing them that unless they used Internet Explorer on Windows they would not be allowed access. The IEC has subsequently opened its website to all users and now has a new landing page." Broken URL http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4064Feb 11 00:05
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joseschestowitz, i haven't received the confirmation from the ietf yet. should it take this long.. have you heard?Feb 11 00:14
josei just sent you the one pager 6825 pdfFeb 11 00:15
josevia emailFeb 11 00:15
schestowitzExcellent, thank you!Feb 11 00:16
schestowitzjose: yes, it's an automated E-mail with code in subject lineFeb 11 00:17
schestowitz"Confirm: ietf@core3.amsl.com:gTGKHzSZH8XQ: a9XJCWdz5cngrXS0QWlrgYo-H0-IHSDG8EGbfg"Feb 11 00:17
josesend me back the final markup of pdf translations if you want me to do formattingFeb 11 00:17
joselet me check the spam box againFeb 11 00:17
schestowitz"Confirmation of list posting -- confirmation ID: gTGKHzSZH8XQ The ietf.org mailing-list server has received a list posting from ME .com to ietf@core3.amsl.com with the subject 'Patents in the Standard'"Feb 11 00:17
schestowitzAh! That's brilliant (the formatting)Feb 11 00:18
joseyou use some sort of markup or tabs or something right?Feb 11 00:20
josethat confirmation you quoted was your reply, correct?Feb 11 00:21
jose.. was to your comment, right?Feb 11 00:21
schestowitzWe separate new pages with <hr ./>Feb 11 00:22
*schestowitz edits htmlFeb 11 00:22
schestowitzSince we have the original PDFs, typos are not a big dealFeb 11 00:22
joseok, so i won't kill myself checking typos... good to knowFeb 11 00:22
schestowitzCheck your inboxFeb 11 00:25
schestowitzjose: also in Groklaw, they say "for accuracy//precision, check PDF"Feb 11 00:26
schestowitzElse people say "Heh! There's a typo!! The WHOLE post is therefore BUNK!!!"Feb 11 00:26
schestowitzThis one has garnered over 200 comments by now. http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ballmer_W...Feb 11 00:29
schestowitzI reckon that 100,000 or so people viewed the item, which is good because they are techies who will respond accordingly and lose trust in Microsoft, maybe even report them for abuse at some stageFeb 11 00:30
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schestowitzjose: you're right, we need a good guideline in the wiki to instruct those who are willing to help usFeb 11 00:31
joseok, thanks, i got the reply from you. i'll use it for referenceFeb 11 00:31
josehave not gotten the ietf replyFeb 11 00:32
schestowitzI got mail from people who want to help with the Wiki, but it's not obvious to me how to assign them to thingsFeb 11 00:32
schestowitzjose: retryFeb 11 00:32
josecc to fsf also?Feb 11 00:32
joseit's odd, i wish i knew what happenedFeb 11 00:32
joseif time wasn't important, i might wait until tomorrowFeb 11 00:32
josestarting with translating would be useful right? if they don't mindFeb 11 00:33
josethis way you have time to thinkFeb 11 00:33
jose..if they are really really anxious to help asapFeb 11 00:34
josemaybe we can use a part of the wiki to assign pdfFeb 11 00:34
joseperson can sign up for up to a dayFeb 11 00:34
josewhen acknowledged by you, they can grab anotherFeb 11 00:34
joseat most anyone can have 3 reserved for themselvesFeb 11 00:34
joseat any one timeFeb 11 00:34
schestowitzVarghese just mailed me too..Feb 11 00:35
schestowitzI read ITWire regularly and I loved how he weaved together the evidence in his new piece. I have lots more of this. Let me dig some up.Feb 11 00:35
schestowitzAnti-piracy day? No thanks http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3405Feb 11 00:35
schestowitz"China has long been seen as a fertile ground for Linux and other open source software. In a country where more than 90% of software in use is pirated, it seems like a natural fit."  http://www.linuxinsider.com/st...Feb 11 00:35
schestowitzChinese demand free software from Gates http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chinese_de...Feb 11 00:36
schestowitzWhy Piracy Hurts Open Source http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000266Feb 11 00:36
schestowitzMicrosoft seals its Windows and opens the door to Linux http://observer.guardian.co.uk/busin...Feb 11 00:36
schestowitzMicrosoft Exec Admits That Company Benefits From Piracy http://techdirt.com/articles/20070312/165448.shtmlFeb 11 00:36
schestowitz"Piracy reduction can be a source of Windows revenue growth" http://wilshipley.com/blog/2007/02/pira...Feb 11 00:36
schestowitzjose: I didn't CC to anyoneFeb 11 00:36
schestowitzjose: blog it tooFeb 11 00:37
schestowitz(the letter re: patents)Feb 11 00:37
joseok, i won't cc thenFeb 11 00:37
josethe ietf rightFeb 11 00:37
schestowitzMoody always publishes his letters.. has more intensity this wayFeb 11 00:37
joseyou made up your own subject line rightFeb 11 00:37
schestowitzWhere?Feb 11 00:41
josethe ietf email subject heading.. we don't need to put anything special, right?Feb 11 00:42
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news... "Both modules are said to ship with software, applications, and interfaces for Linux, Windows XP/Vista, and Windows Mobile, although licensing terms for the Linux drivers sources was not disclosed." Licensing TERMS?Feb 11 00:44
josethis is frustrating.. maybe they are blocking me.. i sent it in a few minutes ago.. usually replies are very quickFeb 11 00:47
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/159258/the_day... "But there were numerous problems with Ruckus. Its flavor of DRM only played nice with Windows computers, and with the rise in popularity of the Mac, this posed a problem to many students. Also, because the DRM wasn't compatible with Macs, it also didn't work on iPods." What about GNU/Linux, IDG?Feb 11 00:47
joseor a few minutes.. though I know it could take days..Feb 11 00:47
schestowitzjose: yes, they blovk YOU! You're on their No-FLY listFeb 11 00:48
josemaybe my yahoo account ships it out from a known spam locationFeb 11 00:48
schestowitzMaybe Microsoft silently bought Yahoo! after all.Feb 11 00:49
joseseriously, this bothers meFeb 11 00:49
josei'll try googleFeb 11 00:50
josehaFeb 11 00:50
schestowitzHmmmm.. http://www.openrbl.org/Feb 11 00:50
josei never use that accountFeb 11 00:50
schestowitzhttp://www.mob.net/~ted/t...Feb 11 00:50
josenot sure how i would use that toolFeb 11 00:51
joseyou'd want to check from yahoo's servers to ietf rightFeb 11 00:51
joselet me try googlemailFeb 11 00:51
josei got the reply immediately when sent from gmail.. i hope the reply worked.. i'm not used to using the gmail accountFeb 11 01:01
joseschestowitz, got another pdf?Feb 11 01:01
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joseschestowitz, send me an email if you want another pdf.. gotta go very soon.Feb 11 01:03
schestowitzjose: yes, pleaseFeb 11 01:06
schestowitzThere is only one more Intel exhibut that's goodFeb 11 01:06
schestowitzit's this one (billg on Linux): http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten... (Linux discussed)Feb 11 01:06
josejust give me a deadline.. if i won't make it, i'll try to let you know ahead of timeFeb 11 01:06
joseokFeb 11 01:06
schestowitzjose: no hurry with this one. I have two more lined up.. just can't post yet because of server load, so I pace it down.Feb 11 01:07
joseok, so then i'll get it done before March,.. that work for you?Feb 11 01:07
schestowitzI have in the pipeline:Feb 11 01:07
josei ahve no rush eitherFeb 11 01:07
jose:-PFeb 11 01:07
schestowitz"Bill Gates et al Lean on Other Companies to Derail GNU/Linux as “Main Stream Operating System”"     and    "Bill Gates: “Intel should not just treat us as one of many”,"Feb 11 01:08
joselet me recap the formatting i noticed from your reply:Feb 11 01:09
josebold on from, sent, to, subjectFeb 11 01:09
josebold on things that stand out (like the Privilege that you center aligned)Feb 11 01:09
jose5 hyphens on each side of Original MessageFeb 11 01:09
joseand a single blockquote levelFeb 11 01:10
josealso you said that pages are separated by br tagFeb 11 01:10
josethat fine?Feb 11 01:10
schestowitzjose: depends on the original reallyFeb 11 01:10
joseohFeb 11 01:11
schestowitzSome have bold face, some don'tFeb 11 01:11
josedid not noticeFeb 11 01:11
schestowitzIt's hard to tell from the scans sometimes.Feb 11 01:11
josei'll have to checkFeb 11 01:11
schestowitzpages separated  by <hr />Feb 11 01:11
joseif doubt, i wont do that since it would be foolish to go to the extra trouble only to give you extra troubleFeb 11 01:11
josesorryFeb 11 01:11
josehrFeb 11 01:11
schestowitzIt's best show using an example.Feb 11 01:11
schestowitz<b>sent</b> blah blahFeb 11 01:11
schestowitz<hr />Feb 11 01:11
schestowitzI have many markup bits for reuse (cut and paste) where the 'template' is consistent./Feb 11 01:12
joseah, horizontal line.. had forgotten (i don't html very much at all)Feb 11 01:13
joseok, so if there is serious indentation among replies you would do something besides a single blockquoteFeb 11 01:13
joseokFeb 11 01:13
josei may do bolds and a few other things but i won't go crazy so as not to make things worseFeb 11 01:14
joseneed to leave now ithinkFeb 11 01:14
josethanks for the help on the patent email ..and for pointing it outFeb 11 01:14
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mib_yqaj3lmwroy?Feb 11 01:16
schestowitzhttp://www.workswithu.com/2009/... "Shannon VanWagner Says: February 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm - My kids have been using Linux for about 2 years and are loving every minute of it.My Son draws great art with GIMP and the Wacom tablet, uses openoffice.org and gmail Documents for school projects, and plays all sorts of games both on the local machine and online. "Feb 11 01:16
mib_yqaj3lmwKeep up the good workFeb 11 01:16
schestowitzHey, mib_yqaj3lmw, what'sup?Feb 11 01:16
schestowitzThanks.Feb 11 01:16
schestowitzWe have many good posts comingFeb 11 01:16
schestowitzComes has proven rather effective.Feb 11 01:16
mib_yqaj3lmwi really like the topics that has been raisedFeb 11 01:17
mib_yqaj3lmwits time for a big changeFeb 11 01:17
schestowitzTomorrow I'll post more than today, assuming the server isn't at risk. Also, tomorrow I spend the day at home, so..Feb 11 01:17
schestowitzWhat change do you have in mind/ Technical? Legal?Feb 11 01:17
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mib_yqaj3lmwyou wouldnt quite believe soFeb 11 01:18
mib_yqaj3lmwid rather keep my identity private but im on your sideFeb 11 01:18
mib_yqaj3lmwhttp://groups.google.com/group/co...Feb 11 01:18
mib_yqaj3lmwive been going deep into things - im technical and im for the free communityFeb 11 01:19
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*schestowitz looksFeb 11 01:21
schestowitzAh... that's Gary puppets and some slime they manufacture.Feb 11 01:22
mib_yqaj3lmwalright :)Feb 11 01:24
schestowitztacone just dropped me some messageFeb 11 01:25
schestowitzUSENET is filled with silmers employed by Microsoft (some are former Microsoft employees). There were caught before.Feb 11 01:25
schestowitzThat USENET post is a lie too.Feb 11 01:26
mib_yqaj3lmwi was figuring out the sameFeb 11 01:26
schestowitzThey rely on gullible people believing this.. like they said earlier about me and other people that we are pedophiles and other such libel. Just ignore that,.Feb 11 01:26
schestowitz"Hello, Gary M. Stewart.  How's Google Groups and the open proxy from Brazil working out? " (they make new nyms and post from zombie/honeypots)Feb 11 01:27
mib_yqaj3lmwits incredible that they are all getting this far its reaching outFeb 11 01:27
schestowitzYes, Feb 11 01:30
schestowitzBut it's OKFeb 11 01:30
schestowitzIt means we do well at BNFeb 11 01:30
schestowitzThe better we do, the more crazy they getFeb 11 01:30
schestowitzIn recent days, as we've made Digg front pagers, they went more insane, calling me a "pedophile" repeatedly", sending me fake mails, stalking IRC, sliming me in OPs...Feb 11 01:31
mib_yqaj3lmwyeah :)Feb 11 01:31
mib_yqaj3lmwespecially now with the economical crisis its starting to show, novell shows a big dent at the momentFeb 11 01:31
schestowitzI expect up to 1000 layoffs shortlyFeb 11 01:35
mib_yqaj3lmwit will happenFeb 11 01:35
mib_yqaj3lmwthis monthFeb 11 01:35
schestowitz:-( http://cyrilleberger.blogspot.com/...Feb 11 01:36
schestowitzmib_yqaj3lmw: do you have info about layoffs?Feb 11 01:37
schestowitzDon't ship KDE 4.2 with Qt 4.5. < http://vizzzion.org/... >Feb 11 01:37
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Syndicated888who here drinks monavie?Feb 11 02:40
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schestowitzNot me.Feb 11 02:46
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twitterdoes anyone know of a program to convert crontab to ics?Feb 11 02:50
twitterI'd like to see my cron jobs with a nicer interface.Feb 11 02:50
schestowitzkcron?Feb 11 02:52
twitterkcron does not lay things out like a calendar would.Feb 11 02:53
twitterI'd like to find a utility that converts to ics, so that I can use any calendar program.  I happen to use KOrganizer but that's beside the point.Feb 11 02:54
twitterthe version of kcron that I'm using won't sort recurring events like a calendar would.Feb 11 02:55
twitterso, I might make a schedule conflict between a recurring event and a one time event.Feb 11 02:56
schestowitzdo sf.net serach for cronFeb 11 03:01
twittersigh.  no luckFeb 11 03:08
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Sage-X_hiFeb 11 03:58
Sage-X_is there anyway to disable the sysadmin from looking at my desktop from his computerFeb 11 03:59
schestowitzHeyFeb 11 04:02
schestowitzWhich system?Feb 11 04:02
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Sage-X_windows xp professional with novell jailFeb 11 04:24
Sage-X_I just want to have a anaoymouse loginFeb 11 04:24
Sage-X_spelling today is badFeb 11 04:25
Sage-X_byeFeb 11 04:37
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schestowitzMorningFeb 11 10:04
oiaohmServer side still causing you fun.Feb 11 10:11
schestowitzHow so?Feb 11 10:11
oiaohmLast message about load fun.Feb 11 10:13
schestowitzOh, that.Feb 11 10:13
schestowitzIt's under control now.Feb 11 10:13
oiaohmNice to hear.Feb 11 10:21
oiaohmNothing is worse than a server with the hickupsFeb 11 10:21
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schestowitzWe might make the FP later today: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Impressed...Feb 11 10:27
schestowitzI have better ones coming, though.Feb 11 10:27
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oiaohmI am learning to hate wirelessFeb 11 10:29
amarsh04I deliberately bought an adsl2+ router *without* wirelessFeb 11 10:31
oiaohmOk today was evil.  3 computers had there onboard network cards fail.Feb 11 10:32
oiaohmThen to top it off wireless network ended up with interference.Feb 11 10:32
amarsh04onboard = built-in?Feb 11 10:33
amarsh04I hate it when they failFeb 11 10:33
amarsh04if it's the $10 secondhand realtek or 3com pci-card variety it's not so badFeb 11 10:33
oiaohmBuilt on motherboard.Feb 11 10:34
oiaohmWorse when they fail the way these did.Feb 11 10:34
oiaohmThey were still saying they were working.Feb 11 10:34
oiaohmYep they can receive traffic but cannot send jack.Feb 11 10:34
oiaohmHalf failureFeb 11 10:35
amarsh04I wonder about the reliability of people using off-the shelf el-cheapo ethernet switches plugged industrial control equipmentFeb 11 10:37
oiaohmReally depends on the el-cheapo.Feb 11 10:37
oiaohmSome of the el-cheapos are exactly the same internally as Cisco switches.Feb 11 10:37
amarsh04one place I worked the furnaces for casting wheels depended on the dhcp server running which didn't automatically start up after the UPS ran out of power and mains power returnedFeb 11 10:38
amarsh04yes, but in those situations I'd like something with known electrical isolation characteristicsFeb 11 10:39
oiaohmPlace like that should have a back up generator.Feb 11 10:40
amarsh04I'd have the IT guy instructing me to enter the computer room and restarting the right boxes one by oneFeb 11 10:40
oiaohmIssue here is when they blow they blow.Feb 11 10:41
amarsh04or more than one http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...Feb 11 10:41
amarsh04I don't like failures due to electrical isolation issuesFeb 11 10:42
amarsh04next time it may be you getting fried rather than the equipmentFeb 11 10:43
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schestowitzOur Wiki starts getting spammedFeb 11 12:39
schestowitzI'll need to set up  defensesFeb 11 12:40
Eruaranhello RoyFeb 11 12:40
schestowitzHey, what's up?Feb 11 12:46
schestowitzBN wiki now identical to wikipedia style, only registered users can edit (due to spam)Feb 11 12:47
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schestowitzJust submitted: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Bill_Gates...Feb 11 12:51
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toroshiFeb 11 13:38
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schestowitzHeyFeb 11 13:47
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zer0c00lschestowitz: today i *hacked* into my colleges mail server (principals account :P) , i got some mails regarding MSDN acadamic alliance and ELMS can i send them to you?Feb 11 15:25
*amarsh04 wonders why anyone would post something like that to a publicly logged irc channelFeb 11 15:28
schestowitzHey, zer0c00l Feb 11 15:28
zer0c00lyeahFeb 11 15:28
schestowitzamarsh04: yes, I thought the same thing.Feb 11 15:29
zer0c00lohFeb 11 15:29
zer0c00lokFeb 11 15:29
schestowitzIs there anything corrupt that you found?Feb 11 15:29
zer0c00lthey are proposing something called ELMSFeb 11 15:29
zer0c00llet me send you the copy of that mailFeb 11 15:29
schestowitzI've never heard of it.Feb 11 15:31
schestowitzELMSFeb 11 15:31
schestowitzWho was the mail send to anyway?Feb 11 15:31
zer0c00lits for the principalFeb 11 15:31
schestowitz*sentFeb 11 15:32
schestowitzWell, if you cracked to get there, I can't participateFeb 11 15:32
zer0c00lits from Microsoft India Academic Team.Feb 11 15:32
zer0c00lokFeb 11 15:32
zer0c00lany way i thought it may help youFeb 11 15:32
zer0c00lokFeb 11 15:32
zer0c00lno problemFeb 11 15:33
schestowitzif you put it on wikileaks, then it can be usedFeb 11 15:35
schestowitzSounds like an unethical attempt to addict children like a mafia clanFeb 11 15:36
schestowitzDrug addition so to speak.....Feb 11 15:36
zer0c00l?Feb 11 15:37
schestowitzhttp://wikileaks.org/Feb 11 15:38
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taconesite down ?Feb 11 15:55
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*zer0c00l wonders which cms does boycottnovell uses? wordpress?Feb 11 15:56
schestowitzsite works nowFeb 11 15:58
schestowitzzer0c00l: yesFeb 11 16:00
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schestowitzNovell is making noise in a press release about its poisonware: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/...Feb 11 17:25
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schestowitzGood: "Chip maker Microchip Technology Inc. said Tuesday it is no longer interested in buying Atmel Corp., another chip maker, and is withdrawing a slate of directors it had nominated to its board." http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-t...Feb 11 18:22
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schestowitz Nvidia posts massive Q4 loss < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n... >Feb 11 18:23
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schestowitzDead companies swept up: Chip maker Qimonda says must find buyer by April < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology... >Feb 11 18:24
schestowitzNovell is presenting along with MS nowFeb 11 18:25
schestowitzhttp://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2...Feb 11 18:25
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mib_jyq3n71jhelloFeb 11 18:26
schestowitzMSBBC cites its sponsor: Microsoft said so-called "malicious insider" breaches are on the rise and will worsen in the present downturn. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec... >Feb 11 18:26
mib_jyq3n71jread the article is it really gonna happen?Feb 11 18:26
schestowitzmib_jyq3n71j: hey, what's up?Feb 11 18:26
schestowitzmib_jyq3n71j: yes, there's moreFeb 11 18:27
mib_jyq3n71jreally? i cant believe itFeb 11 18:27
schestowitzThey refrained from doing this a year ago, as they had plannedFeb 11 18:27
neighborleeschestowitz: qt opening up  to   proprietary development , which means big competition to mono grubbing gnome ....( I wonder if qt/kde will remain free of it )Feb 11 18:27
schestowitzThe pgpl thing?Feb 11 18:28
schestowitz*lgplFeb 11 18:28
neighborleeyesFeb 11 18:29
neighborleeonly found out about it yesterdayFeb 11 18:29
neighborleebeen busyFeb 11 18:29
schestowitzIt's no big changeFeb 11 18:30
schestowitzQt has been open to blobs for a long timeFeb 11 18:30
neighborleenopeFeb 11 18:32
neighborleeits still not free for commerical usageFeb 11 18:32
neighborleebut it willl beFeb 11 18:32
neighborleethats the whole point of the newsFeb 11 18:32
neighborlee:)Feb 11 18:32
mib_jyq3n71jis this going to be a downtime for Novell?Feb 11 18:34
mib_jyq3n71jis it inminent the announcement of the layoffs?Feb 11 18:36
mib_jyq3n71jI  have heard that 16 mill profit loss has benn anounced recently. Is this correct?Feb 11 18:39
schestowitzmib_jyq3n71j: seems soFeb 11 18:39
schestowitzRon Hovsepian talked about it tooFeb 11 18:39
schestowitzThe update I got was regarding scaleFeb 11 18:39
schestowitzmib_jyq3n71j: I think it was 17M (Q8 of 2008)Feb 11 18:39
schestowitz*Q4Feb 11 18:40
schestowitz"Linux revenues (from its SuSE acquisition) have grown to 16% of the company’s total in 2008. However, Novell hasn’t had a decent year since 2004, losing money in 2008, 2007, and 2005 (if you exclude the Microsoft (MSFT) settlement), and eking out a 2% profit in 2006 that was lost again in 2007." http://seekingalpha.com/article/119118-sun-bu...Feb 11 18:40
mib_jyq3n71jWhat connections do you have with Novell, becaus so far it is not public.....?Feb 11 18:40
schestowitzIt's not with NovellFeb 11 18:40
schestowitzJust in: Nokia Cuts R&D Staff in Response to Sales Slump < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159345/nokia_cu... >Feb 11 18:41
mib_jyq3n71jSo you have contacts with Ron?Feb 11 18:41
schestowitzNo.Feb 11 18:43
schestowitzDo you?Feb 11 18:43
mib_jyq3n71jnot really but i have some sourcesFeb 11 18:44
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schestowitzRHovsepian@novell.comFeb 11 18:47
mib_jyq3n71jyes i have this address too :-)Feb 11 18:48
schestowitzJust published: Laid Off? How About Moving to India? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159315/laid_... >Feb 11 18:49
mib_jyq3n71jyou are positive Ron have said those things about the losses and layoffs but .............Feb 11 18:49
schestowitzThis could be an opening for globalisation in the bad sense of lowering wages and exacerbating work conditions, no benefits, etc.Feb 11 18:49
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/s... "Addressing employees in Germany on Thursday, CEO Ron Hovsepian said he would have to make more employee cuts than he originally expected, according to published reports."Feb 11 18:50
mib_jyq3n71jmoving to India tech support but what about EMEA sales?Feb 11 18:50
mib_jyq3n71jare going to also cut?Feb 11 18:50
schestowitzI don't know.Feb 11 18:51
schestowitzEMEA?Feb 11 18:51
schestowitzSmid quit some time agoFeb 11 18:51
schestowitzHe vanishedFeb 11 18:51
schestowitzTook a vacation.. never came backFeb 11 18:51
mib_jyq3n71ji know suudenly to HPFeb 11 18:51
schestowitzI intend to write about it laterFeb 11 18:51
mib_jyq3n71jin your Blog?Feb 11 18:52
mib_jyq3n71jwhen a so hight executive leaves a company so sudden or he got a really big offer or he was smelling something wrong is going to happen.....what do you think?Feb 11 18:54
mib_jyq3n71jJohn Dragoon is also planning to leave the boat?Feb 11 18:55
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schestowitzmib_jyq3n71j: yes, will blog itFeb 11 18:55
schestowitzI don't know about Dragoon thoughFeb 11 18:56
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schestowitzSome new people depend on him. He took over some of Volker's chores and got himself a *cough* Microsoft employee to receive reports fromFeb 11 18:56
schestowitzYuck. Microsoft media is coming to France now?? http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-sl...Feb 11 18:57
schestowitzEvesham Technology confirmed dead < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/... >Feb 11 19:01
mib_jyq3n71jdo you think that novell will close down in europe?Feb 11 19:04
mib_jyq3n71jresellers seems to be shaking......Feb 11 19:04
schestowitzThey already have some offices shutFeb 11 19:05
schestowitzThink!=wantFeb 11 19:05
schestowitzBut Novell is likely to prioritise India. Ron said this in 2007/08Feb 11 19:05
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/1...Feb 11 19:06
trmancowanna know another secret?Feb 11 19:11
trmancothis one is a goddieFeb 11 19:11
trmancogoodie*Feb 11 19:11
schestowitzOKFeb 11 19:12
trmancothe public library near my school uses Ubuntu on some PC'sFeb 11 19:13
trmancoisn't this greatFeb 11 19:13
trmanco?Feb 11 19:13
schestowitzUnisys tastes recession red ink < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... >Feb 11 19:15
schestowitzIt is great. Is there an article about it?Feb 11 19:15
schestowitzDoesn't the "LINUX company" unleash a press release. :-DFeb 11 19:16
trmancoI wish there was...Feb 11 19:16
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trmancothese thing are never coveredFeb 11 19:16
trmancothings*Feb 11 19:16
trmancobut I know that those Ubuntu computers were running Windows a couple of moths ago, they never had a "legal" windows licenceFeb 11 19:17
schestowitzHaha! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02...Feb 11 19:17
schestowitzIs Google Quietly Laying Off Engineers? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/...Feb 11 19:33
schestowitzSirius XM Prepares for Possible Bankruptcy < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/tech... >Feb 11 19:34
schestowitzNo, In-Flight Internet Is Not A Terrorist Threat < http://techdirt.com/art... >Feb 11 19:37
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schestowitz ... the JPO has launched "Community Patent Review"? < http://eastmeetswest.european-p... > I never heard of it.......... kind of like peer2patent, but in the EU....Feb 11 19:46
schestowitzSoftware Patents and such . . . http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...Feb 11 19:52
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schestowitzLJ turns 15. Celebrating 15 Years of Linux Journal < http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10370 >Feb 11 20:15
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schestowitzMiserable catchup from Nokia... Nokia May Open App Store < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159172/no... >Feb 11 20:32
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wispygalaxyhey roy!Feb 11 20:47
wispygalaxyanyone here?Feb 11 20:48
schestowitzheyFeb 11 20:49
wispygalaxyhi!  :DFeb 11 20:49
wispygalaxylong time no seeFeb 11 20:49
schestowitzWhat's up?Feb 11 20:49
schestowitzYesFeb 11 20:49
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wispygalaxyim off for todayFeb 11 20:49
toroshiFeb 11 20:49
wispygalaxyit's warm where im atFeb 11 20:49
wispygalaxyhey torosFeb 11 20:49
schestowitzoff?Feb 11 20:49
wispygalaxykids are playing frisbee outside my roomFeb 11 20:49
wispygalaxyno classFeb 11 20:49
schestowitzNo snow?Feb 11 20:50
schestowitzNJ, right?Feb 11 20:50
wispygalaxynopeFeb 11 20:50
wispygalaxynj, yesFeb 11 20:50
wispygalaxylast week it was 25 F, now it's 65 FFeb 11 20:50
wispygalaxyO_oFeb 11 20:50
schestowitzAnyway, Novell might have big news shortly.Feb 11 20:51
wispygalaxywhat's will that be?Feb 11 20:51
schestowitzlayoffs.Feb 11 20:52
wispygalaxyoh dearFeb 11 20:52
schestowitzI doubt they'll fire the Microsoft lackeys that ruin it (and Linux) from the inside. they'll probably hit the innocent ones.Feb 11 20:52
wispygalaxyawwFeb 11 20:52
wispygalaxycongrats on hitting the front page of digg, RoyFeb 11 20:53
schestowitzThanks.Feb 11 20:53
wispygalaxynp :)Feb 11 20:53
wispygalaxyis logger_bot okay?  you guys had the digg effect a few days agoFeb 11 20:53
wispygalaxylolFeb 11 20:53
schestowitzyeah, i needed to reset logger_bot Feb 11 20:55
wispygalaxynooooooooooooooo!Feb 11 20:55
wispygalaxyjkFeb 11 20:55
wispygalaxyhe still runs ubuntu, right?Feb 11 20:56
schestowitzYes.Feb 11 20:58
schestowitzI'll do another Comes postFeb 11 20:58
wispygalaxycoolFeb 11 20:59
wispygalaxyi was reading the front page of bnFeb 11 20:59
wispygalaxya lot of juicy stuffFeb 11 20:59
schestowitzYepFeb 11 21:02
schestowitzWe could use helpFeb 11 21:02
wispygalaxywhat type? :)Feb 11 21:03
schestowitzThe antitrust exhibits mostly.Feb 11 21:03
schestowitzTextifying them.Feb 11 21:03
wispygalaxyhow can someone helpFeb 11 21:03
wispygalaxyoh okFeb 11 21:03
wispygalaxyi heard mozilla is after ms nowFeb 11 21:04
schestowitzSee http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?...Feb 11 21:04
schestowitzThe text there is from the PDF, but it's not completeFeb 11 21:05
schestowitzThere's OCRed text from the PDF inside it.Feb 11 21:05
wispygalaxyoh i seeFeb 11 21:05
wispygalaxyso you need someone to type it outFeb 11 21:05
schestowitzYes, please.Feb 11 21:05
wispygalaxyit would be easier to search the documents if they were in textFeb 11 21:06
wispygalaxyyou can't search for specific words in this type of pdfFeb 11 21:07
schestowitzYesFeb 11 21:08
trmanco1.2 seconds on Sunspider with Gecko 1.9.1b3 :DFeb 11 21:08
schestowitzThat's why it's valuable to have them analysed with full text. This was not covered before and it's very embarrassing to Microsoft.Feb 11 21:08
schestowitztrmanco: you tried?Feb 11 21:09
trmancoused Seamonkey 2.0 a2+pipeliningFeb 11 21:09
wispygalaxyoh i see royFeb 11 21:09
trmancoschestowitz, yesFeb 11 21:09
wispygalaxyhello trmancoFeb 11 21:09
trmancowispygalaxy, helloFeb 11 21:09
wispygalaxyi've been busy these past week, didn't have much time to stop by here :(Feb 11 21:10
wispygalaxyweeks*Feb 11 21:10
trmancohaha -> http://www.youtube.com/watc...Feb 11 21:11
trmanco"Colbert on Bill Gates and Mosquitos"Feb 11 21:11
wispygalaxylolFeb 11 21:12
*schestowitz looksFeb 11 21:14
wispygalaxyalways wear bug spray around bill gatesFeb 11 21:15
wispygalaxy:PFeb 11 21:15
schestowitzYou can smell corruption when you see it.Feb 11 21:15
wispygalaxykinda like synaesthesia lolFeb 11 21:17
wispygalaxysmelling via seeingFeb 11 21:17
wispygalaxyjkFeb 11 21:17
trmancoFAA network hacked: http://www.networkworld.com/co...Feb 11 21:17
schestowitzYepFeb 11 21:18
schestowitzPosted to BNFeb 11 21:18
wispygalaxyi saw that on slashdotFeb 11 21:19
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/11/fed...Feb 11 21:19
wispygalaxyscary stuffFeb 11 21:19
wispygalaxythanks for the linkFeb 11 21:19
trmancoWindows does it againFeb 11 21:19
trmancooh yeah, don't forget the .NET CRAP too!!Feb 11 21:20
trmancow3m -dump_head http://www.faa.gov/Feb 11 21:20
trmancoReceived cookie: AkamaiEdge=trueFeb 11 21:20
trmancoHTTP/1.0 200 OKFeb 11 21:20
trmancoServer: Microsoft-IIS/6.0Feb 11 21:20
trmancoX-Powered-By: ASP.NETFeb 11 21:20
trmancoContent-Language: en-USFeb 11 21:20
trmancoContent-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8Feb 11 21:20
trmancoVary: Accept-EncodingFeb 11 21:20
trmancoContent-Encoding: gzipFeb 11 21:20
trmancoContent-Length: 7614Feb 11 21:20
trmancoDate: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:24:29 GMTFeb 11 21:20
trmancoConnection: closeFeb 11 21:20
trmancoSet-Cookie: AkamaiEdge=trueFeb 11 21:20
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trmancowhat is next? crashing jets because of a forced reboot?Feb 11 21:22
wispygalaxyat least NASA uses linuxFeb 11 21:22
wispygalaxythat's a relief hahaFeb 11 21:23
trmanconot all of it uses LinuxFeb 11 21:24
mib_pqshmewasn't there some news recently about the laptops on the ISS being infected with a virus?Feb 11 21:24
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wispygalaxyyeah i know they use windows tooFeb 11 21:26
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schestowitzwispygalaxy: NASA had some Windows laptopsFeb 11 21:31
schestowitzThey caught viruses in space!Feb 11 21:31
schestowitzBut you beat me to it... I see this now in the text.....Feb 11 21:31
wispygalaxyviruses in space, sounds like a sci-fi horror movie lolFeb 11 21:33
wispygalaxyi can't wait for debian to come outFeb 11 21:34
wispygalaxyit's cute how it's coming out on valentine's dayFeb 11 21:34
wispygalaxywant to show your computer some love?  install debianFeb 11 21:34
wispygalaxy:PFeb 11 21:34
schestowitzAt least we know bacterial forms can evolve outside EartFeb 11 21:37
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schestowitzMicrosoft will probably have satellite wars/races with China and Russia and lose space domination and funs run dry (11 trillion $$ in debt).Feb 11 21:38
wispygalaxyi don't want to be in the Microsoft shuttle during the race, too dangerousFeb 11 21:39
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schestowitzDon't worry, they upgrade to Vista ^_^Feb 11 21:43
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wispygalaxyat least they'll get Aero!Feb 11 21:44
wispygalaxyso how's manchester, Roy?  what type of place is itFeb 11 21:45
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schestowitzOhFeb 11 22:03
schestowitzSorry about lagFeb 11 22:03
schestowitzIt's all right, depending on one's hobbies, I guess.Feb 11 22:03
wispygalaxyi always wanted to go to GBFeb 11 22:04
wispygalaxythats okay roy :)Feb 11 22:04
wispygalaxyi like the music scene thereFeb 11 22:04
wispygalaxyi just saw your new postFeb 11 22:04
wispygalaxyi was reading your personal blog, tooFeb 11 22:05
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schestowitzwb, jose Feb 11 22:15
joseschestowitz, there is an ugly article out.. http://www.linuxtoday.com/in...Feb 11 22:15
joseI posted the following http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph...Feb 11 22:16
joseNovell's proxy manages to take a swipe at openoffice/sun, firefox/google-mozilla, red hat, and linux.. in one shotFeb 11 22:17
josewhile talking up meeksFeb 11 22:17
josein my reply, i said what i felt were a number of important pointsFeb 11 22:18
wispygalaxyi g2g roy, see you soon!Feb 11 22:19
schestowitzWhat about    Rainer Weikusat's comment?Feb 11 22:20
schestowitzwispygalaxy: I hope soFeb 11 22:20
josei think it's fineFeb 11 22:20
josethere is nothing scientific about that article's conclusionsFeb 11 22:21
wispygalaxytake care!  xxFeb 11 22:21
joseit's cherry picking stats to insert fudFeb 11 22:21
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josei don't want to attack the stats'Feb 11 22:21
josewithout digging into the codeFeb 11 22:22
josei know from years back that javascript had problemsFeb 11 22:22
josestill doesFeb 11 22:22
josesome of those numbers don't even make senseFeb 11 22:22
josemath is math on the chipFeb 11 22:22
joseto get worse from the os means you are doing something wrongFeb 11 22:22
josethat's generally true for any comparison.. note we aren't talking about threading or anything like thatFeb 11 22:23
josei can tell you that unless it was fixed, the regexp engine on mozilla firefox is buggy in ways that the ie one wasn'tFeb 11 22:23
joseok not a big dealFeb 11 22:23
josenavigator. mozilla. firefox.. etc were designed for windowsFeb 11 22:24
joseand have been optimized for itFeb 11 22:24
joseif you don't leverage what X os offers but do leverage what Y os offers, than you should expect better performance on the Y operating systemFeb 11 22:24
josebut the article doesn't care to be fairFeb 11 22:25
joseit takes a stab at Microsoft obstaclesFeb 11 22:25
joseincluding (without any stats to support it) at linuxFeb 11 22:25
joseof course, a foss advocate might think that foss is better on windowsFeb 11 22:25
schestowitzjose: yes, but I haven't seen the articleFeb 11 22:26
joseon account of these two apps that have had millions poured into them for years to be optimized on windows and keep up with ms shanenigansFeb 11 22:26
josewell, if/when you do.. i linked to the lt storyFeb 11 22:26
josei could tell you about it, but it's easy to look and get the main pointFeb 11 22:26
joseas you can tell, i am a bit botheredFeb 11 22:27
josein part because I am not coding or designingFeb 11 22:27
joseit's insulting the articleFeb 11 22:27
joseto make sweeping statements about linux, about foss, heck about firefox by cherry picking and insinuationsFeb 11 22:27
josethe javascript engineFeb 11 22:28
joseisn't there supposed to be a faster one in the works by googleFeb 11 22:28
josejust imagine if one of the few strong points of msware fallsFeb 11 22:28
joseand i really wish these large companies would put more money on linux optimizationsFeb 11 22:29
joseanyway, speed is not everything even if we wanted to accept this "story"Feb 11 22:29
joseit's a dirty articleFeb 11 22:29
schestowitzjose: see http://ostatic.com/blog/novell...Feb 11 22:29
josethat one is filthy as wellFeb 11 22:31
joseit's marketing gunkFeb 11 22:31
josei was touched a bit more by the other one because it's also pseudo science and tries to submarine even moreFeb 11 22:32
jose"touched" like when you are touched by a viperFeb 11 22:32
joseexcept that i am immune to their poison of courseFeb 11 22:33
jose:-)Feb 11 22:33
josewhile we are doing the monofest.. there is also this: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastruct...Feb 11 22:33
joseby sjvnFeb 11 22:33
josei would not be surprised if he and others were paid for their timingFeb 11 22:34
joseschestowitz.. got any more pdfs?Feb 11 22:35
schestowitzYes, certainylu.Feb 11 22:35
schestowitzI've also just posted this < http://boycottnovell.com/200... >, with attib.Feb 11 22:36
MinceRawesome >> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?s...Feb 11 22:36
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/ind...Feb 11 22:37
josei won't stay on very long today/nowFeb 11 22:38
josewill others be working on that same set of pdfs?Feb 11 22:39
josei can grab one and then you can disable the link.. makes sense or no?.. schestowitzFeb 11 22:41
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joseschestowitz.. oh, i see.. so you are transcribing via wiki..Feb 11 22:43
josegreatFeb 11 22:43
schestowitzYesFeb 11 22:45
schestowitzThis morning I forced registration to editFeb 11 22:45
schestowitzWe had spamFeb 11 22:45
schestowitzjose: no, no overlap. I'm working on some tooFeb 11 22:46
joseis http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?... finishedFeb 11 22:46
schestowitzIt needs completionFeb 11 22:47
josealso, do you prefer the format where the emails are linear by dateFeb 11 22:47
josefor example.. what is missing from that linkFeb 11 22:48
schestowitzNo, I think it ought to look identicalFeb 11 22:48
schestowitzI have one post about NetPCFeb 11 22:48
schestowitzVery uglyFeb 11 22:48
josewell the first email is at the end.. and it appears linearFeb 11 22:48
schestowitzThey ran smear campaigns tooFeb 11 22:48
schestowitzMaybe it was made reversed. It ought not to beFeb 11 22:49
schestowitzWell, unless it's stated in advanceFeb 11 22:49
schestowitzLike... "watch PDF" for the original in sequenceFeb 11 22:49
josethe pdf's nest the emails.. oldest in frontFeb 11 22:50
joseexcuse me.. newest in frontFeb 11 22:50
josethe webpage has oldest first and no nesting obviouslyFeb 11 22:51
joseschestowitz, i just noticed that i stopped reading the moonlight/novell/microsoft ad piece right before it quoted BNFeb 11 22:52
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schestowitzYesFeb 11 22:53
joseit's a shame they decided to focus on such a small item.. instead of bigger issues like patents or monopoly support and inevitable interop issuesFeb 11 22:53
schestowitzThe Microsoft styleFeb 11 22:53
schestowitztop-postingFeb 11 22:53
schestowitzThey do it wrongFeb 11 22:53
schestowitzThey wrote an article before to daemonise usFeb 11 22:54
josedid Sam Dean ask you for input and you gave them that?Feb 11 22:54
schestowitzThe "conspiracy theory" BSFeb 11 22:54
joseor was BN given their token word so as to appear impartial?Feb 11 22:55
jose(so that they would appear impartial)Feb 11 22:55
schestowitzjose: no, I was asked for no inputFeb 11 22:56
josei would think you would have mentioned more issues than simply that embed thing.. that's why i ask.. also because the arti reads worse than a press release adFeb 11 22:56
josegood.. i was worried you had been.Feb 11 22:56
schestowitzI can only hope that more people look past the press releases of Novell/MicrosoftFeb 11 22:56
josethe sjvn piece.. i didn't read it, but i'm judging from the titleFeb 11 22:57
joseno wait.. sorry.. i think i did read itFeb 11 22:57
josehe needs to make a buck.. ok, but i expect that in addition the timing was coordinatedFeb 11 22:58
schestowitzJust got mail..."Thank you for being part of a crowd of hundreds of people who have mailbombed the mailboxes of thousands of IETF 'members' (since we don't have any formal membership, just an email list). As a result, we all have such positive feeling about the FSF."Feb 11 22:58
schestowitzIt has worked, hopefully.Feb 11 22:58
schestowitzNo standards in patents?Feb 11 22:58
schestowitz"The root of the problem is the IETF policy. This is a good opportunity to show that IETF policy is corrupted by the patent community."Feb 11 22:59
josewait, aren't they saying that they don't like the fsfFeb 11 22:59
josethat sounded like sarcasmFeb 11 22:59
schestowitz"IETF has a policy accepting RAND standards. So you know what that means when they use undefined terms like this." (from FFII people)Feb 11 22:59
schestowitzfsf does this to Apple tooFeb 11 22:59
schestowitzjose: I think it is.Feb 11 23:00
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schestowitzI've repliedFeb 11 23:01
schestowitzHi, mib_syrkwgcc Feb 11 23:01
josegoodFeb 11 23:01
josei need to check mailboxFeb 11 23:02
schestowitzIf they are hostile towards feedback, I'll raise thisFeb 11 23:02
schestowitzAs if they say, "we welcome feedback as long as it's pro-RAND, but Freedom ain't our spiel"Feb 11 23:02
schestowitzI know people who treat and view activists as agitatorsFeb 11 23:02
schestowitzFreedom=agitationFeb 11 23:02
schestowitzGot replyFeb 11 23:04
schestowitzLet's seeFeb 11 23:04
schestowitz"Indeed! I think you too would find it a bit tiresome around message #300 -Feb 11 23:04
schestowitzespecially as most of us work in different areas - I have nothing do withFeb 11 23:04
schestowitzapplication stuff, I work on packet routing.Feb 11 23:04
schestowitzThanks for having a sense of humour - mine has worn pretty thin."Feb 11 23:04
MinceRfinally IETF shows its colorsFeb 11 23:05
schestowitzImpatient self-servbing pricks? :-)Feb 11 23:05
MinceRi wonder if they were bought like Microsoft ISO or they have even less of a spineFeb 11 23:05
schestowitzFeedback welcome... as long as it's praisee.Feb 11 23:05
josenoel wrote to you?Feb 11 23:05
schestowitzYesFeb 11 23:05
schestowitzYou too?Feb 11 23:05
joseis the reply to his personal emailFeb 11 23:05
MinceRthere's seriously no point in having standards organizations of any kind if this is what they can offer.Feb 11 23:06
schestowitzYesFeb 11 23:06
josehe might just bucket all the repliesFeb 11 23:06
schestowitzWhat's his role?Feb 11 23:06
schestowitzIs he a senior?Feb 11 23:06
twitterRAND is BS.Feb 11 23:06
schestowitzhttp://ana.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/Feb 11 23:07
schestowitzcs lab in mitFeb 11 23:07
schestowitznear rmsFeb 11 23:07
joserfcs are great. software patents aren'tFeb 11 23:09
josesoftware patents, especially in monopolysoft's hands..Feb 11 23:09
joseplace large barriers to small consultancies and service providersFeb 11 23:09
joseincrease overhead costs for everyoneFeb 11 23:09
joseput users in difficult positionsFeb 11 23:10
josethe MAD stalement is meant to keep the system aliveFeb 11 23:11
josebut we then play in the courts of these guysFeb 11 23:11
josethese monopolies are overkill even in the best of cases we seeFeb 11 23:11
schestowitzhttp://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Send_comments...Feb 11 23:11
josegov granted monopoliesFeb 11 23:11
schestowitzYes, RMS puts it that wayFeb 11 23:12
schestowitzGovernment protection to those who fund presidential campaigns and stuffFeb 11 23:12
MinceRwell, patent-encumbered rfc-s are comingFeb 11 23:13
schestowitz NEC rolls out 3D projectors < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/9... >Feb 11 23:15
schestowitzIs Cisco fattening its wallet for acquisitions? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10161105-... >Feb 11 23:15
twitterIna Fried spins single digit Vista use into a prediction of 50% adoption.  http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805...  What a shill.Feb 11 23:16
schestowitzit's s shill.Feb 11 23:17
schestowitzThat's just Microsoft mouthpiece... they send him/her mail to make some noise in Paul Allen-funded CNETFeb 11 23:17
schestowitzI think CNET is crumbling thoughFeb 11 23:17
twittergood riddance.Feb 11 23:17
schestowitzGiven it's Microsoft press status, it would be good for FOSSFeb 11 23:18
schestowitzZDNet isn't in a great positionFeb 11 23:18
schestowitzIDG lays off massively.Feb 11 23:18
schestowitzMisclassified... why is Google's binary stuff making it into Linux/FOSS aggregators? Is Cisco fattening its wallet for acquisitions?Feb 11 23:20
schestowitzOops. http://www.salon.com/tech/giga_om/clean_te...Feb 11 23:20
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twitterWhere do the Forester frauds get their data for deployment?  http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1870Feb 11 23:24
twitterLinux + Mac = 5% and W2K = 10% ?  That smells.Feb 11 23:24
schestowitzRaise your hand if you hate the word "crunch"Feb 11 23:25
schestowitz"Budget crunch", "credit crunch"... crunchy nut... are reporters so afraid of the D word?Feb 11 23:25
schestowitzFerrester have Microsoft as clients.Feb 11 23:26
schestowitzThey were corrupted and made obsolete for example when they attacked Linux using Microsoft moneyFeb 11 23:27
schestowitzAsk Forrester if they visited Russia, Brazil etc and, if so , how the population was sampledFeb 11 23:28
schestowitzAccording to BN, Linux and Macs account for about 50%, not 5%. Just don't ask too many questions... trust The Facts.Feb 11 23:28
twitterWell, I've seen plenty of good migration plans and adoption stories for GNU/Linux that would put it well above the 2% claimed.Feb 11 23:29
twitterHere's the FAA, large enough to make a dent on it's own.  http://linux.slashdot.org/article....Feb 11 23:29
twitterhere's 87% of businesses skipping Vista http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?s...Feb 11 23:29
schestowitzhttp://host54.hostmonster.com/highload.html " This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota"Feb 11 23:30
schestowitzSad that... he got Slashdotted... and it's actually him who I learned about Coral from.Feb 11 23:30
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twitteryeah, saw that.  The last link, I believe, also had GNU/Linux adoption plans at 8%.  That was two years ago and should have been expressed by now.Feb 11 23:31
twitterhere's an article that said 9% of commercial developers were targeting GNU/Linux but only 8% targeted Vista.Feb 11 23:32
twitterhttp://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/203152Feb 11 23:32
twitterIn short, Forrester must be lying even about the US market.Feb 11 23:34
schestowitzTry to get analysts' corruption accross in the pressFeb 11 23:34
schestowitzJournos rely on quoting these peopleFeb 11 23:35
schestowitzThey are very much the same people.. PR/joruno/analysts.consultantsFeb 11 23:35
schestowitzJust changing hats as many of them do and the same companies fund both. It's an orgy of mind control. They impact sales... just chase the money and see who pays the bills (consulting, advertising, hirings)Feb 11 23:36
twitterhere's a biological analog to M$ advertising dollars and the effect on editorial policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymothoa_exiguaFeb 11 23:36
twitter" There are many species of Cymothoa,[3] but only C. exigua is known to consume and replace its host's tongue."Feb 11 23:36
schestowitzThe world need to sort of arrive from the assumption that analysts are corrupt[ible] and lobbyists are criminal gunsFeb 11 23:36
schestowitzOnly then can people assess the system in a sane fashionFeb 11 23:36
twitterIt's a shame because analysts can and should perform valuable services.Feb 11 23:37
schestowitzTo whom?Feb 11 23:37
schestowitzWho pays for info?Feb 11 23:37
schestowitzThey /sell/ infoFeb 11 23:37
schestowitzThat's why govt. subsidies are needed for somethingFeb 11 23:37
schestowitzAlas, even some universities are not 'sold' the companies (i.e. private tyrannies), e.g. in FranceFeb 11 23:38
twitterPlease don't suggest federal payments to Garnter and others.Feb 11 23:38
schestowitzSarkoism is neo-facism with private totalitarian entities running the population.Feb 11 23:38
schestowitztwitter: no, not to themFeb 11 23:38
schestowitzSame goes for campaign advertiusingFeb 11 23:38
schestowitzAt the moment, the election is just some PR showFeb 11 23:39
schestowitzPeople are treating it in this way too, according to public polls. They don't see it as a form real democracy. Just a bunch of companies grouping together to have a face elected for the public to be happy.Feb 11 23:39
schestowitzIf Newspapers Went Offline For A Week... People Might Realize They're Fine Without Them < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902... > "Honestly, it's getting difficult to keep up with the massive amount of stories every day from old school journalists "Feb 11 23:50
twitterI don't see a lot of stories worth reading.Feb 11 23:57
schestowitzWhere?Feb 11 23:58
twitterMostly I see copy cat PR echo releases, and shallow, repetitive shit.Feb 11 23:58
twitterI don't see them anywhere.Feb 11 23:58
schestowitzI'm posting daily stuff, but news has dried up everywhere.Feb 11 23:58
schestowitzThe economy is in "brace" modeFeb 11 23:58
twitterYou manage to find a lot of good news.Feb 11 23:58
schestowitzComes is like newsFeb 11 23:58
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schestowitzI might do more of that at the expense of 'news' stuff. Comes was never explored properly and it shows a lot of white-collar crimeFeb 11 23:59
twitterComes evidence was never adequately explored.  "Journalists" were too busy with bullshit.Feb 11 23:59
schestowitzWell, publishable materialFeb 11 23:59
schestowitzComes is not publishable because exposing crime does not payFeb 11 23:59
schestowitzReposting PR does.Feb 11 23:59

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