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__booand some other channelsApr 09 00:00
__booand even asked freenode support whether they should behave like thatApr 09 00:00
__boothey said: yeah... it's freenode... so we unban you... but dude, wtf? they're our opsApr 09 00:01
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MinceRi've seen privilege by an oper on this network alreadyApr 09 00:02
__boololApr 09 00:02
MinceRbut i've got to go now, it's late.Apr 09 00:02
__booit's like in every other networkApr 09 00:02
MinceRs/privilege/privilege abuse/Apr 09 00:02
__boololApr 09 00:03
MinceRsee, i need sleepApr 09 00:03
__booIN EVERY network it's like thatApr 09 00:03
MinceRit would seem so :(Apr 09 00:03
__booand i'm just trying to show people that these abuses are too much hereApr 09 00:03
__boobut they don't learnApr 09 00:03
__booeven though i can get connected every time i wantApr 09 00:03
__booeven though i'm banned or klined or smthApr 09 00:04
Balrog_hello againApr 09 00:04
__boothose western people are just like slaves...Apr 09 00:06
__booone got killedApr 09 00:06
__boothe others just lick the assApr 09 00:06
__boosome even try to maintain the rulesApr 09 00:06
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schestowitzThis channel attracts a lot of vocal  hates :-SApr 09 00:29
schestowitz*Haters I meanApr 09 00:29
tessier_Don't be hatin'Apr 09 00:31
schestowitzgnApr 09 00:37
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oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009...  Now that is a goal and a half.Apr 09 00:51
oiaohmhttp://www.osnews.com/story/21279/Acer_Pre... World is changing.Apr 09 01:04
oiaohmhttp://www.osnews.com/story/21280/Sun_Boar...  On again and off again deal is back on.Apr 09 01:05
oiaohmhttp://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/cor... MS just got more expensive.Apr 09 01:09
opiewrngwtf, they rejected the deal (ibm and sun)Apr 09 01:11
opiewrngand now again?Apr 09 01:11
opiewrng(__boo) i personally don't want them to mergeApr 09 01:12
opiewrngsun just gotta get away from solarisApr 09 01:12
opiewrnglol... all that cries about patents make me feel like m$ writhes in agonyApr 09 01:15
oiaohmIBM backed out of the deal.Apr 09 01:15
oiaohmNormal thing for IBM to do.Apr 09 01:15
opiewrngniceApr 09 01:15
oiaohmStraight up 25 percent share price drop.Apr 09 01:16
oiaohmon sun.Apr 09 01:16
oiaohmNo alteration on IBM share price.Apr 09 01:16
oiaohmBasically told IBM they were paying too much.Apr 09 01:16
opiewrngdid sun want to sell itself to ibm?Apr 09 01:16
oiaohmIts back on at a lower price.Apr 09 01:16
oiaohmYes Sun want to be aquired by someone in the Linux Foundation.Apr 09 01:17
opiewrngah.. so they just played on itApr 09 01:17
opiewrngibm in the linux foundation"?Apr 09 01:17
oiaohmYes.Apr 09 01:17
opiewrngsure/Apr 09 01:17
opiewrng?Apr 09 01:17
oiaohmTo be correct member of the Linux foundation.Apr 09 01:17
opiewrngi don't trust themApr 09 01:17
oiaohmIntel and AMD are also members of the foundation.Apr 09 01:18
opiewrngoh come on...Apr 09 01:18
opiewrngit doesn't mean a thing thenApr 09 01:18
oiaohmSun first tried selling it self to intel and cisco.Apr 09 01:18
oiaohmThe did had not quite got desprate yet and trying to sell self to hp.Apr 09 01:19
opiewrnghp is kinda weak choiceApr 09 01:19
oiaohmSun is still making profit.Apr 09 01:20
oiaohmIBM Sun merge puts 66 percent of the super computer market in 1 company.Apr 09 01:21
oiaohmSomething Sun tried to avoid with merges with Intel and Cisco.Apr 09 01:21
opiewrngyeah, sun got fired 7k peopleApr 09 01:22
oiaohmMarketing department.Apr 09 01:22
opiewrngand it had about 50kApr 09 01:23
oiaohmSomething that would be unquired staff with who ever they merge with.Apr 09 01:23
opiewrngwait... was it 35kApr 09 01:23
opiewrngin either case... they were only firing people last yearsApr 09 01:24
oiaohmStaff that would not be required after a merge with someone.Apr 09 01:24
oiaohmSun has setup themselves up to merge.Apr 09 01:24
oiaohmIts going to be sad to see sun go.  All the funny reports about Sun dieing are going to be no more.Apr 09 01:25
oiaohmhttp://www.linuxfoundation.or...  << list of Linux foundation member.Apr 09 01:27
oiaohmCompanies in the foundation are quite spreed.Apr 09 01:29
oiaohmhttp://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/... is also a interesting read opiewrngApr 09 01:33
opiewrngreading it, but i prefer not to read but get the feeling of itApr 09 01:41
opiewrnglike you look at the picture and feel what's wrong or right with itApr 09 01:41
oiaohmBasically all the major heads of hardware design in 1 room.Apr 09 01:42
oiaohmThat is a fairly scary thing to a company like Microsoft.Apr 09 01:42
opiewrngit should've been not scary but defeatingApr 09 01:45
oiaohmIts more like when are the going to decide to drop the hammer on MS.Apr 09 01:46
opiewrngthey should either do it alwaysApr 09 01:47
opiewrngor wait for a very good momentApr 09 01:47
opiewrngwhen it's neither a drop nor a hammer, but killsApr 09 01:47
opiewrngeven if slowlyApr 09 01:47
oiaohmLinux foundation is working on unifying Linux.Apr 09 01:48
*opiewrng finds himself very addicted to cigarettesApr 09 01:48
oiaohmSo yes they are waiting for a good momennt.Apr 09 01:48
opiewrngand all i'm thinking about nowApr 09 01:48
opiewrngis when it will be a very good time to smoke weedApr 09 01:49
opiewrngand wtf... i gotta sleep alreadyApr 09 01:50
opiewrngif i wanna be like 5 hours late, not 7Apr 09 01:51
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balzacopiewrng: don't carry a packApr 09 03:46
balzacthat's how I keep it under control. I have my colleague keep my cigs, I pay him $10 a week, and I ask for them.Apr 09 03:46
balzacone at a time...Apr 09 03:47
balzacand I tip bartenders $1 per cigApr 09 03:47
balzacI never carry a pack, ever.Apr 09 03:47
oiaohmI take the simpler method don't smoke.Apr 09 03:49
twitterbumming is a good way to quit, if you care what others think of you.Apr 09 03:56
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twitterhere's a nice organization that's exposing Iraq horrors.  http://www.nomorevictims.org/Apr 09 04:10
tessierschestowitz: I don't know anything about what happened between Michael Robertson and Kevin Carmony other than what is on their blogs. I exchanged a couple emails with Michael a couple weeks ago but only idle chit chat.Apr 09 04:20
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Ziggyfishhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3... interesting?Apr 09 04:43
twitterha haApr 09 04:51
twitterthey should have done it in Texas, where the verdicts are fatter.Apr 09 04:51
twitterWho needs millions, when you could have billions?Apr 09 04:52
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opiewrngthe most funny thing in that news article is ina fredApr 09 06:41
opiewrngfried*Apr 09 06:41
schestowitzIna Fried is a Microsoft shillApr 09 06:55
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schestowitzGNOME+GNote=no Mono. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/...Apr 09 07:17
DaemonFCschestowitz: You can remove mono easilyApr 09 07:23
DaemonFCnothing important in GNOME even needs itApr 09 07:23
DaemonFCwhy would you need that?Apr 09 07:23
schestowitzI knowApr 09 07:23
schestowitzMany people accept apps passively thoughApr 09 07:23
schestowitzGnate wil be a drop-in replacementApr 09 07:23
schestowitzAs in, say Microsoft pulls a muscle over .NETApr 09 07:24
schestowitzPeople just hop over to the same app which uses 'something else' in the backgroundApr 09 07:24
DaemonFCschestowitz: I have yet to see any Mono app that does not have an equivalent in C or something elseApr 09 07:25
DaemonFCGNOME doesn't even prefer monoApr 09 07:25
DaemonFCor else they'd be shipping things like Banshee isntead of RhythmboxApr 09 07:25
DaemonFCSeems like really the only Mono software included with GNOME is stuff Novell wrote with Mono and included in OpenSuse GNOMEApr 09 07:26
DaemonFCI'm not even entirely sure why Ubuntu or Fedora even waste CD space on it when nothing in the default install even needs the runtimeApr 09 07:27
DaemonFCGNOME already has a notes applet that is not based on MonoApr 09 07:27
DaemonFCand they already have gthumbApr 09 07:27
DaemonFCwhy is this guy wasting time and effort reimplementing things that already exist?Apr 09 07:28
DaemonFCI really don't have a problem with Mono except that it adds ridiculous overhead for no more than they do with itApr 09 07:30
DaemonFC80 megs of runtime to support Tomboy?Apr 09 07:30
DaemonFCthen when you ask Ubuntu why they don't have something important, it all comes down to CD spaceApr 09 07:31
schestowitzYes, exactly.Apr 09 07:33
schestowitzBut many people want tomboyApr 09 07:33
schestowitzI never used itApr 09 07:33
opiewrngonly girls want tomboyApr 09 07:33
DaemonFCschestowitz: Fedora even loads it by defaultApr 09 07:34
DaemonFCso it can take 40 megs of RAM idleApr 09 07:34
DaemonFCand hit the disk every now and thenApr 09 07:35
DaemonFC:PApr 09 07:35
schestowitzVery interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs...Apr 09 07:36
schestowitzDaemonFC: Fedora removed it from the Live CDApr 09 07:36
DaemonFCmakes senseApr 09 07:37
DaemonFCI won't use Fedora, too buggyApr 09 07:37
DaemonFCand the Nvidia drivers from RPM Fusion have been tampered withApr 09 07:39
DaemonFCthey remove several files that it needs to function properlyApr 09 07:39
DaemonFCand it will segfault when you go to run a lot f gamesApr 09 07:39
DaemonFCDeltaRPM gives is an advantage over Ubuntu though I guessApr 09 07:41
DaemonFCbut if Ubuntu didn't update packages everytime they had a trivial diff, that wouldn't matter as muchApr 09 07:41
DaemonFCoh speaking of whichApr 09 07:43
DaemonFCthey jsut updated xserver-xorg-core for the 4th time todayApr 09 07:43
schestowitzWhy mess with these?Apr 09 07:54
schestowitzJust let your distributor do its thingApr 09 07:54
DaemonFCschestowitz: That IS what Ubuntu is doingApr 09 07:57
DaemonFCpisses me off cause I have to rebuild Nvidia every time they update those packagesApr 09 07:57
DaemonFCwould probably be less effort to install Gentoo than to try to maintain my own kernel in Ubuntu :PApr 09 07:57
schestowitzBSApr 09 07:59
schestowitzYou don't need to do thatApr 09 07:59
schestowitzYou're overcomplicating tyhingApr 09 07:59
DaemonFCUbuntu's kernel is seriously wickedApr 09 07:59
schestowitzThey you vilify developers for not coping with your sescapadesApr 09 08:00
DaemonFCand they have no interest in fixing itApr 09 08:00
schestowitzThere is no Ubunut kenrelApr 09 08:00
DaemonFCThey backported half of 2.6.29 into their 2.6.28 kernelApr 09 08:00
schestowitzThey hardly have their own patches for itApr 09 08:00
DaemonFCwhy can't they backport one file which fixes the Intel HDA issues with their Pulseaudio config?Apr 09 08:01
DaemonFCthey maintain all the out of tree patches Debian has, plus their ownApr 09 08:01
DaemonFCplus half of the next mainline kernelApr 09 08:02
DaemonFCThe reason they went with 2.6.27 in Intrepid was because they fucked around and broke Xen on their 2.6.26 kernelApr 09 08:03
DaemonFCand didn't understand how they broke it or how to back out whatever did itApr 09 08:03
DaemonFCI don't understand why they should need to do what they do, one or two backports is fine, but past a certain point they should just use the next mainline versionApr 09 08:05
schestowitzMicrosoft is offshoring. Indian IT services provider HCL Technologies appears to have signed a five-year, $170 million contract with Microsoft that would employ 600 people, according to a report in the Economic Times. http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/...Apr 09 08:11
schestowitzThe network here is all wrong todayApr 09 08:11
schestowitzDNS here is crawling againApr 09 08:16
DaemonFCheh, 5,000 Americans firedApr 09 08:20
DaemonFCso they can replace is with offshoringApr 09 08:20
DaemonFCor H1-B work visasApr 09 08:20
DaemonFCthat they lobby the politicians for more ofApr 09 08:20
schestowitzVisas are not as cheapApr 09 08:20
schestowitzAnd ti don't think these are replacementsApr 09 08:20
schestowitzMicrosoft sacked developersApr 09 08:20
DaemonFCyou get what you pay forApr 09 08:21
schestowitzHere it adds support people, probably at the expense of US contractorsApr 09 08:21
schestowitz5,000 is not the real numberApr 09 08:21
schestowitzThere is a hidden factor there because MSFT hires from the outsideApr 09 08:21
DaemonFCyeah, well, it doesn't exactly take a lot more than knowing some English and reading off a flow sheet to provide typical "support"Apr 09 08:21
DaemonFCthe only way you get decent support is if you're a business that has bought an expensive contractApr 09 08:22
DaemonFCschestowitz: That's why I always laugh when people mention that you don't get support with OEM WindowsApr 09 08:23
DaemonFCI always reply "Kind of like regular Windows?"Apr 09 08:23
schestowitzRetry, Restart, ReinstallApr 09 08:27
schestowitzWhy all the Mono hate? < http://benanzo.blogspot.com/2009... >Apr 09 08:37
schestowitzHe misses the most important points: the patenterApr 09 08:38
schestowitzAs if NVidia is going to sue Linux... even Adobe.. Ha.Apr 09 08:38
DaemonFCWhy would Nvidia sue Linux?Apr 09 08:39
DaemonFCThey make drivers for it because of customer demandApr 09 08:39
schestowitzYesApr 09 08:48
schestowitzI'm referring to that post about Mono.Apr 09 08:48
schestowitzPeople insinuate that Mono is "OK" because free drivers are made for NVidia cardsApr 09 08:48
schestowitzNVidia sells hardwareApr 09 08:48
schestowitzI very much doubt it has problems with other drivers that make buyers happy(ier)Apr 09 08:49
DaemonFCschestowitz: Nvidia wrote the NV driverApr 09 08:51
DaemonFCand maintain itApr 09 08:51
DaemonFCI don't know how they feel about Nouveau, but I doubt they careApr 09 08:52
DaemonFCthey probably would hand over their driver specs if not for other companies that would turn around and sue NvidiaApr 09 08:52
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schestowitzThe server is having problems nowApr 09 09:07
schestowitzHas the Internet been a _lot_ less reliable recently?Apr 09 09:08
schestowitzThere are reports about major ISP issues throughout the world, esp. after Apri 1Apr 09 09:08
schestowitzThe server was finally stablised (BN) and I think my dns comes back too, so no need for opendns, for now.Apr 09 09:14
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DaemonFCOpenDNS is just an overglorified search page hijackerApr 09 09:22
schestowitzSo that's their business model, eh? I wondered...Apr 09 09:24
DaemonFCthere's no reason to use them vs your ISP's DNS serversApr 09 09:28
DaemonFCunless you just want TWO entities compiling information about youApr 09 09:28
schestowitzI know that too, but spying alone won't help cover opendns' billsApr 09 09:33
schestowitzHere in the UK ISPs sell customers' private info to companiesApr 09 09:34
schestowitzI don't know if you heard about Phorm/WebSense.Apr 09 09:34
schestowitzPeople are a victim of it by default (must opt OUT, not IN)Apr 09 09:34
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schestowitzMy latest update on the software patents situation: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/...Apr 09 09:44
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MinceRr4wrApr 09 10:10
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tacone"The initiator of GNode is already working on an f-spot replacement too"Apr 09 10:25
taconewhat's the source ?Apr 09 10:25
DaemonFCmaybe something like gthumb?Apr 09 10:28
DaemonFCpointless to write ANOTHER appApr 09 10:28
taconeohApr 09 10:28
taconeanother app, not a port, maybeApr 09 10:28
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schestowitzWhen Microsoft attacks viscously, it means it's very weak: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/09/micros...Apr 09 10:36
schestowitztacone: the source is closer to the sourceApr 09 10:37
tacone?Apr 09 10:37
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schestowitztacone: someone familiar w/ the matterApr 09 10:43
schestowitzPMApr 09 10:44
schestowitzOK?Apr 09 10:44
taconekApr 09 10:45
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schestowitzThe Gavin Clarke shills still attacks linuxApr 09 10:46
schestowitzthis time IBMApr 09 10:46
schestowitzHe ruins <the RegisterApr 09 10:46
oiaohmThe battle is going quite will for Linux at this stage.Apr 09 10:47
oiaohmMS having to pay for more patents make there bar of no profit higher.Apr 09 10:47
oiaohmIt really funny MS really should be out being anti-software patent or being killed in the market because of USA ruling on USA companies using patented parts.Apr 09 10:48
schestowitzDmages per copyApr 09 10:49
schestowitzThat's why Windows gets hit so badlyApr 09 10:49
schestowitzLike the mp3 patents (Alcatel)Apr 09 10:49
schestowitz$1 per copy is almost a billion AND...!Apr 09 10:49
oiaohmYep and on going payments.Apr 09 10:49
oiaohmThis is why windows has a bottom price.Apr 09 10:50
schestowitzSince one billion may comprise counterfeited copies  no-one pays for (maybe 70% of the lot), then Microsoft loses PER copy.Apr 09 10:50
oiaohmTechnically MS is not ilabel for counterfeited copies.Apr 09 10:50
oiaohmIf MS had to pay for them they would be dead.Apr 09 10:51
schestowitzoiaohm: earlier today I had it confirmed that London and the banking system there drags down the country along with the USApr 09 10:52
schestowitzAustralia will be relatively isolated, AFAIKApr 09 10:52
schestowitzSame with continential Europe.Apr 09 10:52
schestowitzJust in: Demand for IT jobs stinks in UK < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... >Apr 09 10:52
schestowitzAccording to predictions, the US may never recover (not even in 20 years)Apr 09 10:53
schestowitzAs one man put it, neither Obama nor Superman can do anything to reverse thissApr 09 10:53
schestowitzThe impact on Europe is often a residue of bad loans elsewhere. Even China gave bad loans to countries, but they'll recuperate because the loss/debt is not theirs.Apr 09 10:54
oiaohmAustralia is having job fall out.Apr 09 10:56
oiaohmMoney system still working fine.Apr 09 10:56
oiaohmJust less exports.Apr 09 10:56
oiaohmBanks here are being kind nice for the now job less.   No interest on house loan for at least 12 months same with payments.Apr 09 10:57
oiaohmShould at least stop the crunch of forced selling.Apr 09 10:58
oiaohmWe still had quite heavy regulations of how much money banks had to have to cover themselves.Apr 09 10:59
schestowitzIntel puts five Xeons on death row < http://www.theregister.co.uk... >Apr 09 11:03
schestowitzThe word repossession is unnervingApr 09 11:04
schestowitzIt's one of those euphemismsApr 09 11:04
schestowitzMeaning unpossessionApr 09 11:04
schestowitzLike credit vs debtApr 09 11:04
oiaohm sysctl to block module loading currently being talked about for Linux now.Apr 09 11:04
schestowitzOr harmonistion vs combined damagesApr 09 11:04
oiaohmIt could be a pain in but.Apr 09 11:04
oiaohmOne you set it only way to unset it is reboot.Apr 09 11:05
schestowitzWhich Linux? 2.6.30?Apr 09 11:05
oiaohmAfter 2.6.30  Linux security mailing list talking about.Apr 09 11:05
taconeschestowitz: do you know about the mono plugin-loader in deskbar-applet ?Apr 09 11:05
oiaohmI really think best solution to .net would be some form of translator engine.Apr 09 11:06
oiaohmIe takes C# source code and spits out C++ source code instead.Apr 09 11:06
oiaohmSo making it insanely simple to jump ship.Apr 09 11:07
schestowitzSimpler said than doneApr 09 11:07
schestowitzSame for JavaApr 09 11:07
schestowitzoiaohm: you also need to convince developers to carry on with the new code. Novell tries to addict them to the Microsoft One WayApr 09 11:08
schestowitzApple hit by patent suit: http://www.itwire.com/content/vi... Not soft as far as I can tell. zoobab01 , thoughts?Apr 09 11:09
oiaohmYou don't need to convince them MS will do the job for you.Apr 09 11:10
schestowitzThey'll move to Windows/VSApr 09 11:11
oiaohmJava is a different problem to C#.  C# code style is close to C++Apr 09 11:11
schestowitzThat' s the planApr 09 11:11
schestowitzMake Linux the same but crappier and not freeApr 09 11:11
schestowitzOur DNS is working smoothly again. There was a similar but worse issue earlier this year.Apr 09 11:11
schestowitzoiaohm: when I helped a friend with C# it seemed more like cheap JavaApr 09 11:11
schestowitzNot C++Apr 09 11:12
schestowitzShe studied at a place where they taught MS curriculum. That was in 2002.Apr 09 11:12
schestowitzOn Newspapers and Google: What's the Real Problem Here? What Do Readers Want? < http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto... > "First, as the FCC suddenly woke up and realized, a lot of Americans don't have broadband. Duh. Who in the world wants to read an online newspaper on dialup? Most of the newspapers online are slow and hard to navigate, and with dialup, that's a nonstop frustration."Apr 09 11:13
oiaohmThere have been translators for java in the past that convert to C++.  Java structs are not 1 to 1 in as many places as C# is.Apr 09 11:15
schestowitzOf of the people who organised/orchestrated the OOXML fiasco says "watching Open XML / ODF tweets is a full time job."Apr 09 11:16
schestowitzYes, watching people's voting habits on OOXML too is a full time jobApr 09 11:16
schestowitzThey bullied criticsApr 09 11:16
schestowitzBunch of gangstersApr 09 11:16
schestowitzGermany has just fined them for crime (collusion)Apr 09 11:16
schestowitzGray Knowlton is the person from the criminal organisation who said thisApr 09 11:17
schestowitzAnd they colluded to increase price of OOXML trap (Office 2007)Apr 09 11:17
schestowitzExperts: MySQL could enable IBM to take over database market < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/0407... >. Thoughts?Apr 09 11:20
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oiaohmThey missed it.Apr 09 11:21
oiaohmSun IBM merge makes a supercomputer super power.Apr 09 11:22
oiaohmIts not that Sun is proftless.Apr 09 11:22
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trmancohttp://www.businessweek.com/ap/fi...Apr 09 11:28
schestowitzSJVN is really giving it to Microsoft and their puppets at NPD: http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_...Apr 09 11:30
trmancoI posted this link here yesterday I thinkApr 09 11:30
schestowitzNPD do this in other areas tooApr 09 11:30
schestowitzXBox, Vista, and Zune. They also praise MS and I bet their funding might come from their, in part.Apr 09 11:31
schestowitzLet me search a bitApr 09 11:31
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schestowitztrmanco: I wrote about the MS patent case some hours agoApr 09 11:31
trmancookApr 09 11:32
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:ww...Apr 09 11:33
schestowitzCan you find MS listed as their client?Apr 09 11:34
schestowitzI have some part articles that show a connectionApr 09 11:34
schestowitzAnd also explain itApr 09 11:34
schestowitzhttp://www.npd.com/lps/tir/dow...Apr 09 11:36
schestowitzI can't find any page with a FULL list of their clientsApr 09 11:36
trmancoI don't know if it's a client, but there sure is a bunch of intext keyword related to microsoft on that searchApr 09 11:36
schestowitzIt lacks disclosureApr 09 11:36
schestowitzThey can track it any way that suits the clientsApr 09 11:36
schestowitzLike in IDC's caseApr 09 11:36
schestowitzJust check Dell, HP, IBM and other giantsApr 09 11:36
schestowitzThen, count in terms of MONEY, not salesApr 09 11:36
schestowitzIgnore installed baseApr 09 11:36
schestowitzIgnroe sales outside the USApr 09 11:37
schestowitzIOW, biased in Windows' favourApr 09 11:37
schestowitzAnd I have the E0mails that show how they arrrange this meter with MicrosoftApr 09 11:37
schestowitzSame with gartner and TCO by the wayApr 09 11:37
schestowitzIDC also deliberately asked a Microsoft-oriented population about LinuxApr 09 11:37
schestowitzThese people lie to the public in exchange for money from those who benefit from the lies. It's a bit like the Iraq invasion. Lies pay.Apr 09 11:38
schestowitztrmanco: what to do about this botblog? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/...Apr 09 11:40
schestowitzhttp://www.allaboutms.net/2009/04/...Apr 09 11:41
schestowitzThey just duplicate every post of BN. No contact details on the site.Apr 09 11:41
trmancoewApr 09 11:41
taconei had to deal with a jerk like thatApr 09 11:42
taconeluckily he was on wordpress.com. so i just reported abuse.Apr 09 11:42
trmancothey post it through rssApr 09 11:42
trmancopeople also steal my stuff like that, the same way as youApr 09 11:42
schestowitzcross-refs link to BN, but I don't think it'll be good. Frowned upon people, SEs, and so on..Apr 09 11:42
taconeusually the best thing is to add a notice in the rss feed linking the original post.Apr 09 11:42
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trmancoall I did is put a permalink and some links in the rss feed footer, that way you will receive creditApr 09 11:43
taconeand, if you have time to loose, set up an .htaccess rule to prevent image to display when the referer is that domain.Apr 09 11:43
schestowitztrmanco: that happens in x-refsApr 09 11:43
trmancoand eventually they will stop using you're feed to spamApr 09 11:43
schestowitzWhich is why it's not urgentApr 09 11:43
schestowitzBut they ping sites with my postsApr 09 11:43
taconeright.Apr 09 11:44
schestowitzHitwise Stats Put Google On Top Yet Again < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/08/h... >Apr 09 11:44
taconeyou can block via .htaccess access to your feeds from their ip.Apr 09 11:44
schestowitzThe dependence of many sites on Google is VERY unhealthyApr 09 11:44
taconeusually they are lazy enough to not workaround that.Apr 09 11:45
schestowitzSites that are not listed well in Google (including newspapers that complain) will perishApr 09 11:45
schestowitztacone: I think this scraper is from RussiaApr 09 11:45
trmancoschestowitz, you have a typoApr 09 11:45
trmancolast paragraph -> "The initiator of GNode is already working "Apr 09 11:46
schestowitzThanks.Apr 09 11:46
trmancothinking of knode :-PApr 09 11:46
schestowitzYESApr 09 11:47
schestowitzYou beat me to itApr 09 11:47
schestowitzI was about to say exactly that.Apr 09 11:47
trmanco:-pApr 09 11:47
trmancotwitter has been offline for a while nowApr 09 11:48
trmancocan't post/receive anything in GwibberApr 09 11:48
schestowitzGeneral Manager quits Microsoft (failing to weaken Google): http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Data...Apr 09 11:49
trmancoHTTP Error 400 ....Apr 09 11:49
schestowitztrmanco: network is a messApr 09 11:49
schestowitzHere too, even BNApr 09 11:49
schestowitzIn BN, the server is up, but sometimes I can't reach BNApr 09 11:49
schestowitzMeaning network issueApr 09 11:49
trmanco...Apr 09 11:49
schestowitzDNS was hardly working for me this morning (on my own network, not the host)Apr 09 11:50
trmancoDOS attacksApr 09 11:50
schestowitzThis is not 'conspiracy theory' about MSApr 09 11:50
schestowitztrmanco: yesApr 09 11:50
schestowitzIt's widely reportedApr 09 11:50
trmancoschestowitz, if you're having DNS problems move to OpenDNSApr 09 11:50
schestowitzI put reports in BN about ISP issues worldwiseApr 09 11:50
schestowitzoiaohm confirms thisApr 09 11:50
schestowitztrmanco: I was going toApr 09 11:50
schestowitzInstead I just spent the morning writing postsApr 09 11:51
schestowitzOpenDNS might require a rebootApr 09 11:51
trmancohttp://www.opendns.com/Apr 09 11:51
schestowitzI'm too lazy for that ;-)Apr 09 11:51
taconenaApr 09 11:51
trmancoschestowitz, it depends where you put the IP'sApr 09 11:51
taconea network restartApr 09 11:51
trmancoI put them in the routerApr 09 11:51
schestowitztrmanco: I know. I saved a copy of the opendns guide on my desktop in case DNS goes totally willy-nillyApr 09 11:51
trmancoah ok ;)Apr 09 11:51
schestowitzSo slowness is not as bad as no DNS lookupsApr 09 11:52
taconei like this scraper site.Apr 09 11:52
schestowitzReport: Microsoft signs up Indian outsourcing firm for 600 workers < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/... >. Yes, Microsoft is going there because "Americans are stupid," as PearlyG wants the Senate to believeApr 09 11:53
oiaohmNot too stupid.Apr 09 11:55
oiaohmIndian developers don't have to put up with USA patent laws.Apr 09 11:55
schestowitzBN got like 40k pages yesterdayApr 09 11:56
schestowitzBut the changes made in the CMS make it less comparableApr 09 11:57
schestowitzit turns out that nested comments lead to a 2page/load situationApr 09 11:57
schestowitzoiaohm: Indians are smartApr 09 11:57
taconeconsider using google analyticsApr 09 11:57
schestowitzEsp. those which USians company will empoyApr 09 11:58
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schestowitzBut Americans are clever tooApr 09 11:58
schestowitzEsp. many of those CS engineers looking for a jobApr 09 11:58
schestowitzMcirosoft ignored them using excuses and liesApr 09 11:58
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trmancololApr 09 12:08
iwmwtacone usually quits when there's a discussion, so everybody thinks that it's crap-talking overflowApr 09 12:12
schestowitz"Today both Joseph and myself are doing a presentation on Mono, Moonlight at the Boston .NET Users Group meeting in Waltham." http://tirania.org/blog/archiv... I know it's not Shields, but which Jo was that again? I once checked but can't remember...Apr 09 12:12
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MinceRor he forgot to change his partreason since last timeApr 09 12:16
MinceRwhen there definitely was a crap-talking overflow ;)Apr 09 12:16
trmancoheheApr 09 12:21
trmancoI hope that quote is gpl'edApr 09 12:21
trmancoI'm using it tooApr 09 12:21
iwmwit's patentedApr 09 12:22
iwmwso you can't even use any similar to this oneApr 09 12:22
trmancono it isn't :-PApr 09 12:22
iwmwyou are not sure, are you?Apr 09 12:23
MinceRi've patented the letter 'e'Apr 09 12:23
MinceR;)Apr 09 12:23
trmancoiwmw, he wouldn't use it if it was patentedApr 09 12:24
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iwmwh3y, trmanco, you'r3 using t3h r3strict3d l3tt3rApr 09 12:25
schestowitzMicrosoft explains that Windows zombies make spam: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/09/...Apr 09 12:25
trmancololApr 09 12:25
MinceRiwmw: that's closed enough, cease and desist ;)Apr 09 12:26
MinceRs/sed/se/Apr 09 12:26
schestowitzMicrosoft 3xplains that Windows zombi3s mak3 spam.Apr 09 12:26
iwmwth3r3's no s3d anymor3Apr 09 12:26
MinceRlolApr 09 12:26
schestowitzgrep /s/e/3/ irclogfileApr 09 12:26
schestowitzsedApr 09 12:26
MinceRgrep can do that?Apr 09 12:26
MinceRoh.Apr 09 12:26
schestowitzOopsApr 09 12:26
schestowitzI just typed without thinkingApr 09 12:27
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schestowitztacone logged out :-|Apr 09 12:28
schestowitzItaly-Earthquake Toll : 235 dead < Microsoft explains that Windows zombies make spam: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0... >Apr 09 12:28
schestowitzOops.Apr 09 12:29
MinceR:DApr 09 12:29
schestowitzhttp://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-n...Apr 09 12:29
schestowitzNot so funny, MinceR (the slip was)Apr 09 12:29
MinceRi laughed at the slipApr 09 12:29
schestowitzYes, I know. "Strong aftershocks on Tuesday sent a fresh wave of fear across earthquake-shattered central Italy, and rescue crews pulled a young woman alive from a collapsed building about 42 hours after the main quake struck the mountainous region."Apr 09 12:29
iwmwyou s33? m$ r3sp3cts pat3nts it dosn't us3 t3h l3tt3r 3 in "microsoft"Apr 09 12:30
schestowitzSome people will call it "the act of God"Apr 09 12:30
schestowitzAnd feel regrets for sins they may have committed to deserve this. Apr 09 12:30
MinceRtheir loss.Apr 09 12:31
*MinceR patents the idea of communicationApr 09 12:32
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schestowitzbblApr 09 12:42
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trmancoTwitter changed it's api, that's why I can't post through Gwibber :( Fix has already been committed... waiting for ppa update :-PApr 09 14:50
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schestowitzOK, i"m backApr 09 15:21
schestowitzIt's no longer sunny outside: -(Apr 09 15:22
trmancohere neitherApr 09 15:22
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schestowitzI think I'll just escape to the gym or something. Cya l8rApr 09 15:26
PetoKrausyeahApr 09 15:44
PetoKrausit's quite dark here as wellApr 09 15:44
oiaohmhttp://blenderartists.org/foru...  << Ok this is getting strange.Apr 09 15:45
oiaohmCompany interested in building commerical game is looking at using blender.Apr 09 15:45
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trmancohttp://www.computerworld.com/action/artic...Apr 09 16:21
balzaci'm not at all surprised by blender getting more commercial supportApr 09 16:33
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Balroghello everyoneApr 09 17:27
trmancohello BalrogApr 09 17:35
Balrogtrmanco: anything new that's important?Apr 09 17:41
trmancoBalrog, no, not that I know ofApr 09 17:41
Balrogok.Apr 09 17:41
Balrogbtw, conficker is waking upApr 09 17:43
EruaranI have decided to refer to Windows fanboys as hopeless luddites from now on.Apr 09 17:44
Eruaranhello BalrogApr 09 17:44
trmancoyeah, conficker is getting smarterApr 09 17:44


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