Comments on: Manners http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: The Mad Hatter http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-3/#comment-66326 Sun, 14 Jun 2009 06:02:13 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66326 This has been a most fascinating thread. Gave me some great ideas for future articles.

Dan O’Brian eas especially helpful. Thanks Dan. I know that this wasn’t what you intended, but it’s what your going to get. You’ve pointed me in the right direction, and man, this is going to be a fun one to write. Hell, I’ve got close to 500 words already!

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By: twitter http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-1/#comment-66278 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:49:02 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66278 Ah yes, Gentoo troll, everyone is aware of your persistent attacks on Slashdot. I’m not sure what you think you are proving by pointing to yet more of your libel. The pattern is clear, people who do or say things M$ does not like are viciously and personally attacked. Roy continues to catalog this kind of behavior from you people, thanks for adding more evidence to this thread.

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By: eet http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-3/#comment-66233 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:52:27 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66233 You’re welcome. I would be interested to learn what it doesn’t inspire you to do – buy a Mac?

He.

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By: twitter http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-2/#comment-66194 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:06:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66194 I’m sorry that I could not tell the difference between trolls and victims here, but not quite as sorry as Roy must be. Let’s review why, Mr. Lefty. When you say:

Among the various lies and slanders which Mark Fink (who, despite Roy’s statements to the contrary, seems to be a quite regular “contributor” here) regaled the list [list of lies and slander] …. [and] As long as you give the passive-aggressive nod to that sort of behavior–and I note that Mark is not identified in this posting–don’t expect to be taken seriously except by others who already share your point of view. You’re studiously polite, indeed, but I sense you’re playing both sides of the fence. A specific disavowal and disclaimer of Mark’s actions would have been a lot better…

It sure looks like you are trying to blame Roy and BN for what other people do. By the same logic, you should be apologizing for the bad behavior of trolls like eet, G. Micahels and Dan 0′Brain. Surely, you encourage their lies and slander? I’m not so “charitable” as you and take this accusation as a confession:

If anything around this discredits this site, I’d suggest it’s Roy’s “no you see it, now you don’t” contrition…. If I were as prone to unfounded assumptions as you’ve been in your comments here, I might well accuse you of outright complicity in this. Me, I’m a bit more charitable than that.

Many troll threads end with, “You have been trolled.” The Linux.com attack pretty much seals the case on this one.

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By: Jose_X http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-3/#comment-66193 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:54:30 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66193 eet, if you only knew how that speech inspires people like me.

..hmm

.. not much actually ..

– but thanks for trying!

I think Ballmer gets his Linux news from Linux Today. Guy just loves advertising there. Can’t imagine why, but one shouldn’t be disrespectful before royalty.. so we just try to put on a good show.. Like in this thread about mono: http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2009061201035OSCYDV

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By: Sabayon User (Sabayon == Gentoo, kthx) http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-1/#comment-66170 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:10:07 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66170

my reputation

Ha, ha

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By: Sabayon User (Sabayon == Gentoo, kthx) http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-1/#comment-66169 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:08:52 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66169

insulting us here from Novell.com IP addresses

Please point us to these “insults”.

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By: eet http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-3/#comment-66160 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:19:17 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66160 M$ _does_ attack its enemies openly. Only that it is not us, because we ARE NOT IMPORTANT enough.

Microsoft’s real contender is Apple, not Linux. As can be seen by Microsoft attacking Apple openly at every opportunity. As can be seen from their recent advert series ‘Laptop Hunters’, their claims that Macs are too expensive (which they are, by the way).

Apple makes for roughly 10% of PCs in the US, now, and that is a _real_ threat to MS, unlike us Linuxers.

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By: powered_by_tux http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-3/#comment-66133 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:35:39 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66133 So someone spread false statements in your name? That means you do everything right, Roy. Keep up your valuable work, please.

Sometimes I wish that MS would openly attack or attempt to kill Linux, not because I do not like it but it would show a lot of people that it is wrong to trust MS in Linux matters. This is actually worth it considering that those people are resisting to learn that MS is not a charity that is giving interoperability to us without demanding something (= royalties) in return.

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By: eet http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-3/#comment-66130 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:06:29 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66130 @Needs sunlight: Just because you _like_ what somebody says, this doesn’t mean the information given has ‘top quality’…

Roy is ready to follow and reprint any ill-founded, vague rumour if it only goes ‘in the right direction’, also he often simply makes his news himself by speculating wildly instead of reporting facts. (These posts are easily distinguishable most of the time because the end in a ‘?’ so as to prevent him from getting sued for libel.)

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-3/#comment-66129 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:59:31 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66129 “Top quality”? I think you need to get out into the sun a bit more.

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By: Dan O'Brian http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-2/#comment-66128 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:57:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66128 The way I see it, ‘twitter’ attacked David calling him a troll. Then you replied to ‘twitter’ saying the site is full of trolls.

Sure seems like you were calling David a troll to me.

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By: Needs Sunlight http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-3/#comment-66127 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:36:13 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66127 Roy’s been doing top quality work consistently and the information he’s managed to bring into the daylight is of exceptional value. However, for some the truth hurts. I wish I could say it was unusual for technical and legal discussions to be countered by mud slinging, but unfortunately it is not. Personal attacks are the bread and butter of political movements like MSFT, because without the personal attacks and deception we’d have only the technical merits to go by. That would mean not only would MSFT and MSFT boosters lose out, there would also be a great backlash for the damage done to-date by their shoddy immitations of technology.

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By: eet http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-2/#comment-66123 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:25:05 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66123 Your are very probably referring to me. Roy, if anything I am anti-Schestowitz and pro-GNU-software, and not so much pro-Novell. Novell is only good insofar it promotes openSUSE and Mono.

I myself am not very happy about the Novell-MS agreement, but reading all the unfair crap in your blog made me defend it where you are being especially unfair. Also I cannot let it stand that you condemn a great GNU-framework (Mono) and people who GNU software owes a lot to (Icaza) because of this whole thing.

You cannot simply equate anti-Schestowitz with pro-Novell, and you cannot equate being ‘not-against-Novell’ with trolling.

Trolling, my special friend, is spreading hate (as you do), and even more so, doing it by warping facts or making things up and trying to discredit critics.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-2/#comment-66119 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:49:44 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66119 No, what I meant to say is that the trolls don’t include you; Instead, they are the pro-Novell folks who have been trolling this site for years.

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By: David "Lefty" Schlesinger http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-2/#comment-66118 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:47:09 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66118 Um, where did I try to “discredit this site”? Please be specific. I’ve limited myself to discrediting the noisome Mr. Fink, who surely deserves every single bit of it. If anything around this discredits this site, I’d suggest it’s Roy’s “no you see it, now you don’t” contrition….

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-2/#comment-66117 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:42:19 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66117

Sigh. Before, I was a “victim”, now I’m a “troll”.

Not you, David. We have some regular trolls here and they hijack this thread.

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By: David "Lefty" Schlesinger http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-2/#comment-66116 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:40:31 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66116 Sigh. Before, I was a “victim”, now I’m a “troll”. I’m not the one who started this, Roy, that would be your non-associate Mr. Fink. Again, I’d have been better persuaded of your good intentions by a more specific denunciation than “some folks have been behaving badly someplace out there. If you in fact feel that Mr. Fink’s shenanigans are reflecting badly on you–and this certainly isn’t the first or only instance of precisely this sort of behavior on his part–why not say, clearly and straightforwardly, “Mark Fink in no way, shape or form has anything to do with this site, and I condemn his actions in every way”?

Just wonderin’. If I were as prone to unfounded assumptions as you’ve been in your comments here, I might well accuse you of outright complicity in this. Me, I’m a bit more charitable than that.

Just a bit, mind you.

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By: eet http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-2/#comment-66109 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:36:46 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66109 …speaks the troll.

Roy, you must be feeling flattered! You and doing research? You must be kidding. Every time one asks you to prove your outrageous accusations by facts, you wriggle out of it by pointing to your own articles, which again are absolutely factless and self-referencing.

And when cornered, you always say “this is only a blog, I don’t have to adhere to journalistic standards, I only voice my opinion”.

That’s about the extent of Roy’s research.

And that’s also why I – and many others – can’t resist commenting on the unbelievable shit you and your trolls write. It insults any thinking human being’s intelligence and sense of integrity.

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2009/06/11/manners/comment-page-2/#comment-66108 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:33:38 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=12916#comment-66108 The trolls are all over this post. It must be on the right topic.

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