Comments on: Business Down for Some Large OEMs Despite Vista 7 http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/ Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom Thu, 05 Jan 2017 01:24:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.14 By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-83035 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:39:22 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-83035 Microsoft didn’t succeed in stopping Java. It got sued and Java is still the #1 P/L (the fastest growing ones are tied to web applications and are FOSS).

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-83034 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:36:59 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-83034 It’s already in mainstream computing, but mostly in mobile/embedded devices.

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By: Agent_Smith http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-83033 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:06:35 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-83033 ARM is powerful, cheap and cool, and i do not mean cool as a trend, but cool as it does not heat up as cisc x86 processors do. So, it’s easier to mount ARM processors in small computer cases(or any cases). And, there’s no much to worry about heat.
It’s something to think about: Why ARM is not in main stream computing today ??? Collusion anyone ???

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By: Danielh http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-83032 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:54:16 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-83032 @Robotron 2084

If ARM becomes the next big thing, Microsoft is toast.

Jump onto ARM and their current duopoly with Intel is broken and Intel can start engaging in Linux for real.

Porting Windows 7 to ARM is extremely hard and Microsoft is the last place on earth i would imagine pulling something like that off. Winmo 7 is still left to be seen IRL and when it hits the streets, Android and Apple is miles ahead.

Microsoft cant follow, all it can do is try to stop things from happening. They succeded in stopping Java, could services and Linux for some time but they can keep plugging all those hole in the dam forever. Sooner or later they run out of fingers.

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By: Yuhong Bao http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-83031 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:02:00 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-83031 “Vista and Windows 7 brokenness must be mighty for people to cling to XP. ”
Not always, there are plenty of reasons people stick to good ol’ XP. Sites that break with IE >6 is another reason I can think of. There are more, of course.

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By: Robotron 2084 http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-83030 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:59:14 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-83030 You probably won’t see it. ARM is cool for portable devices, I have one in my Pam TX, but it brings few advantages to a desktop machine. If a sizable portion of desktop machines were sold using a different architecture, then Microsoft and other companies would follow suit with software to match. It’s business, and those who want to stay in business will adapt.

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By: Robotron 2084 http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-83029 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:44:56 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-83029 ” A 1.6 GHz P4 with 1GB of RAM is slow, buggy and barely usable with XP.”

I’m calling your bluff on this one. You’ll claim Windows will be slow and unstable on ANY system. I used a 1 Ghz P3 with 768 megs for nearly 4 years on a single install of Windows XP. It ran great. Quake 3, Day of Defeat, and Grand Theft Auto San Andreas were my favorite games on that rig. When I retired this machine I used it to replace my aging Windows 2000 file server. Regrettably, I could not bright this machine with me when I went overseas.

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By: your_friend http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-82965 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:47:58 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-82965 The reason your hardware still works is that you are using free software. Non free software still sucks on older hardware, as I can tell you from XP use at work. While some people claim that XP is light and practical, it takes two to three times the resources that Lenny does and XP will never be able to do a third of the things that every free desktop does out of the box. A 1.6 GHz P4 with 1GB of RAM is slow, buggy and barely usable with XP. Any 1GHz 32 bit processor with 512MB of RAM is a snappy and happy multi desktop, multi user machine under GNU/Linux. Vista and Windows 7 brokenness must be mighty for people to cling to XP. They should all move to GNU/Linux as soon as they can.

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By: NotZed http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-82959 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:31:19 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-82959 They don’t ship chips, just license cores. And the numbers were actually 3.9 billion cores – 1.3 billion just in the last quarter of 2009.

(phones e.g. have an average of ~2 cores per phone too)

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-82955 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 02:44:22 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-82955 The same goes for SPARC.

Also see:

A couple of innocuous words that have insidious consequences. A simple marketing tagline, yet it appears to be seriously undermining a vast segment of the computer sector. What is it? The phrase, “industry standard.”

It comes from the same warped (but ingenious) minds that coined the term “legacy” back in the 1990s. That harmless word served to forward the Windows NT – Intel processor gravy train at the expense of so-called inferior technologies like mainframe, OpenVMS and even Unix. Yet many would argue that despite all the genuine improvement to Windows in recent years to make it much more enterprise friendly, it still can’t hold a candle to many of these legacy systems.

The rumor goes that the legacy propaganda was originated between a Gartner analyst and someone in the Windows NT development/marketing camp. Whether true or not, it certainly helped sell an awful lot of Wintel gear. Now we have “industry-standard” weaving its way into the computer lexicon. The hidden intention appears to be to outlaw RISC and everything else except x86-Intel fare.

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I attempted to track down the origin of the term “industry standard,” but I didn’t have much success. Web searches are sabotaged by the fact that the term industry standard architecture (ISA) was coined in 1981 for something else entirely. So it isn’t even an original concept.

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By: Agent_Smith http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-82947 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 02:06:54 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-82947 Indeed, and the Wintel collusion worked hard to steer ARM processors away from people, because one scratches the back of the other. But just imagine machines powered by those powerful risc processors ??? And, note: Winblow$ doesn’t run on ARM.
A brave new world will unfold… I can hardly wait to see it…

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-82946 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:59:44 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-82946 ARM claims to have delivered 1.3 billion chips last year, IIRC. All in all, the sum of ARM chips is about 12 billion (many are/were in phones).

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By: Agent_Smith http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-82943 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:48:34 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-82943 Just wait for ARM risc powered desktops and laptops. The Wintel reign will fall apart…

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By: Roy Schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-82892 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:28:14 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-82892 Here are two good videos which show the effect of the ‘motherboard cycle’:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67j7JlEZzpQ
http://www.ted.com/talks/edward_burtynsky_on_manufactured_landscapes.html

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By: NotZed http://techrights.org/2010/02/19/dell-down-despite-hype/comment-page-1/#comment-82887 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:01:31 +0000 http://boycottnovell.com/?p=27207#comment-82887 “The Dell article,” he explains, “shows that people are buying cheaper computers now.

Yes, I think this is the point. A cheap computer is now far-and-ahead of what you could ever get for 4x that price even a few years ago, and there’s no longer any reason to keep upgrading them, until they wear out.

Even my 6 year old laptop is still sufficient to comfortably run most applications – and I imagine it still will be until it breaks down (which being an ibm thinkpad with a warrantee replaced mobo & keyboard could be some time).

Maybe we’re finally starting to see the inevitable collapse of a business model based on selling obsolete hardware that needs to be re-bought every few years? I’d be a bit worried if I were a DELL or Intel.

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