_Hicham_ | no, u can run as much IEs as you want | May 15 00:00 |
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DaemonFC | Opera's canvas graphics support is pretty slow | May 15 00:00 |
DaemonFC | you can use Compatability View in IE 8 | May 15 00:00 |
DaemonFC | to have it render like IE 7 | May 15 00:00 |
_Hicham_ | there is a registry patch on the net | May 15 00:00 |
_Hicham_ | that allows u to run IE 5, 6, 7, 8 | May 15 00:01 |
_Hicham_ | simultaneously | May 15 00:01 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 15 00:04 |
schestowitz | I think so too | May 15 00:04 |
schestowitz | You had articles years back about the option | May 15 00:04 |
schestowitz | Surely for IE6 and 7 | May 15 00:04 |
schestowitz | Not just Linux with IE4L | May 15 00:04 |
DaemonFC | I'm going to stack up Firefox 2.0.20 against the mix too | May 15 00:04 |
schestowitz | Wait, it has another name | May 15 00:04 |
DaemonFC | to demonstrate that even that is faster than IE 8 :) | May 15 00:04 |
schestowitz | Which tests? | May 15 00:07 |
schestowitz | Gold standards? | May 15 00:07 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Peacekeeper | May 15 00:08 |
DaemonFC | it's a browser benchmark suite that tests an array of standard browser functions | May 15 00:08 |
DaemonFC | it makes for a more well rounded test than just javascript (SunSpider) | May 15 00:09 |
tacone | french third strike passed | May 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | Yes, SunSpider is what I had in mind | May 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | ACID is another worthy test, but it's deterministic in a way | May 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | Not h/w dependent anyway (nor os-dep) | May 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | tacone: yes, I have some rebuttals | May 15 00:10 |
tacone | french constitutional council will examine the law to determine if it's constitutional or not. | May 15 00:10 |
schestowitz | Does it matter? :-) | May 15 00:10 |
schestowitz | It's like with Bush. | May 15 00:10 |
DaemonFC | javascript is important | May 15 00:10 |
DaemonFC | but it's only one piece | May 15 00:10 |
tacone | thou shalt not mess with constitution | May 15 00:10 |
schestowitz | If it's constituttonial, fine. | May 15 00:10 |
schestowitz | If not, then *sigh( oh, well. | May 15 00:10 |
schestowitz | Why check AFTER it's passed? | May 15 00:10 |
schestowitz | :-) | May 15 00:10 |
_Goblin | Tacone: The whole concept (if applied over here would only be applicable to P2P) | May 15 00:10 |
DaemonFC | Firefox 2 has horrible Canvas performance | May 15 00:11 |
DaemonFC | Firefox 3 does a lot better | May 15 00:11 |
DaemonFC | IE 8 still has no support for that | May 15 00:11 |
schestowitz | tacone: I smell guillotINAA | May 15 00:11 |
_Goblin | As far as Im aware there is no provision in the UK's theft act for download from say newsgroups IRC | May 15 00:11 |
tacone | france used to be a people well disposed to fight with the goverment. | May 15 00:11 |
tacone | they have obtained a lot in the past | May 15 00:12 |
tacone | sarkozy seems the end of that era. | May 15 00:12 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | May 15 00:12 |
DaemonFC | Firefox 2 is slower than IE 8 | May 15 00:12 |
DaemonFC | lol | May 15 00:12 |
_Goblin | In relation to FACT, it doesnt have that much power and like I say its only able to act on BT protocol and the like | May 15 00:12 |
tacone | DaemonFC: disable all extensions and try again :) | May 15 00:12 |
DaemonFC | there are none | May 15 00:13 |
_Goblin | Tacone: Mind you talking of the theft act in the UK. Heres one for you "Theft of space" yes it has a provision under the theft act | May 15 00:13 |
DaemonFC | I'll put that under "Good news for all you Windows 98 users, finally a reason to upgrade" | May 15 00:14 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 00:14 |
DaemonFC | I expect Safari 4 will be close to Chrome in performance | May 15 00:15 |
DaemonFC | it was about even on Sunspider | May 15 00:15 |
_Goblin | I havent yet been able to any sort of functionality from the Chrome alpha | May 15 00:15 |
DaemonFC | works fine for me | May 15 00:16 |
_Goblin | *get | May 15 00:16 |
DaemonFC | WHOA | May 15 00:18 |
DaemonFC | Safari blew past Chrome!!! | May 15 00:19 |
tacone | on wine ? :) | May 15 00:19 |
DaemonFC | Vista | May 15 00:19 |
tacone | uh, on windows ? really ? | May 15 00:19 |
DaemonFC | Safari 4 got 3075 points | May 15 00:19 |
tacone | i thought it was fast only on mac | May 15 00:19 |
DaemonFC | Chrome weekly got 2751 | May 15 00:19 |
DaemonFC | Opera 10 weekly got 1806 | May 15 00:20 |
DaemonFC | FF 3.5 b4 got 1642 | May 15 00:20 |
DaemonFC | 2.0.10 got 1092 | May 15 00:20 |
DaemonFC | IE 8 got 730 | May 15 00:20 |
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DaemonFC | FF 2.0.20 got 492 | May 15 00:20 |
DaemonFC | so Safari 4 is the fastest browser on Windows and over 425% faster than IE 8 | May 15 00:21 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 00:21 |
DaemonFC | errr | May 15 00:22 |
tacone | uh, earcandy rocks. i totally love it. | May 15 00:22 |
DaemonFC | 421.23287% faster than IE 8 | May 15 00:22 |
schestowitz | What will Oracle do with/to JavaFX? | May 15 00:22 |
schestowitz | tacone: no, sarko is the /beginning/ of an era | May 15 00:23 |
tacone | no | May 15 00:23 |
tacone | which era are you talking about ? | May 15 00:23 |
schestowitz | Chirack (?) is the one who even resisted bad wars | May 15 00:23 |
tacone | ... and ? | May 15 00:24 |
tacone | s/k// | May 15 00:24 |
schestowitz | It's the era of control from across the sea | May 15 00:25 |
schestowitz | Jacques was the opposite wasn't he?? | May 15 00:25 |
schestowitz | I mean, Sarko goes lounging in houses of MS execs | May 15 00:25 |
schestowitz | He's in their pocket | May 15 00:25 |
tacone | that's the end of the fairness in french politics | May 15 00:26 |
tacone | allied with the USA, but capable to still own their own nation. | May 15 00:27 |
tacone | sarko is the era of all that. many french people think it will never get elected again. | May 15 00:27 |
tacone | they're wrong. | May 15 00:27 |
tacone | it's going the same route of italy, just 15 years later. they're fucked. | May 15 00:28 |
tacone | some french fascist group even invited an italian politician to a meeting to get some lesson about how to infiltrate the government the right way. | May 15 00:30 |
schestowitz | Hmmm... | May 15 00:31 |
schestowitz | You're right on target I fear | May 15 00:31 |
schestowitz | Sarko reminds me of Mussolini although I know too little about the latter | May 15 00:31 |
_Hicham_ | Sarko is just a little puppet | May 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | Because you mention liaising with others to share political tricks. | May 15 00:32 |
tacone | they've got a documentary. a journalist hidden in the meeting. filming the thing. | May 15 00:32 |
tacone | the italian politician told them 'the worst error is to admit you're fascist. leverage people love for their region and put them against other regions or foreigners' | May 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: Obama is a puppet too | May 15 00:33 |
tacone | the french guys told him, 'yes, but you have to admit that's more difficult in french (cause the culture they have' | May 15 00:34 |
schestowitz | But not small | May 15 00:34 |
schestowitz | Taller | May 15 00:34 |
schestowitz | How did Sarko get elected | May 15 00:34 |
tacone | still obama is good. | May 15 00:34 |
schestowitz | Free wine for the voters to be intoxicated? | May 15 00:34 |
tacone | lack of proposals from the left wing. | May 15 00:34 |
schestowitz | He should trial Diick and George | May 15 00:35 |
tacone | it's the same old two-parties trick | May 15 00:35 |
tacone | only two big parties in the country, illusion of choice for the voter. | May 15 00:35 |
tacone | in italy is very simple | May 15 00:36 |
tacone | right does big damages for 4 years | May 15 00:36 |
tacone | then left get elected and taxes people to recover some cash the right has theft. | May 15 00:36 |
tacone | but doesn't repair the damages | May 15 00:37 |
tacone | they fall after 1 year and the cycle starts again. | May 15 00:37 |
tacone | in the eyes of people left wing is made of corrupts (that's true) and it's their fault if all the damages (to the law system) made by the right are still there. | May 15 00:37 |
schestowitz | tacone: only one party | May 15 00:37 |
schestowitz | Call it the business party | May 15 00:38 |
schestowitz | It's then divided to factions | May 15 00:38 |
tacone | of course, left and right are one party | May 15 00:38 |
schestowitz | At least in the US | May 15 00:38 |
tacone | how could right esist without left ? | May 15 00:38 |
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schestowitz | tacone: left hand, right hand | May 15 00:38 |
tacone | what other meanings has the 'right' word in english ? | May 15 00:38 |
schestowitz | Makes one human | May 15 00:38 |
tacone | what other meanings has 'left' ? | May 15 00:38 |
schestowitz | You need not left and right | May 15 00:38 |
schestowitz | You need a separate entity | May 15 00:38 |
schestowitz | In some place you have Green|Pirate parties | May 15 00:39 |
schestowitz | These are the 'outsiders' | May 15 00:39 |
schestowitz | The real anarchists | May 15 00:39 |
schestowitz | In a system of suits and people who pretend to be 'for the people | May 15 00:39 |
tacone | we have one. | May 15 00:39 |
schestowitz | Not those elected from withi them | May 15 00:39 |
schestowitz | Like in Bolivia | May 15 00:39 |
schestowitz | But they get NO PUBLICITY | May 15 00:39 |
schestowitz | The press is usually owned by the branches of the business party | May 15 00:40 |
tacone | here too, but they used the internet succesfully | May 15 00:40 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 15 00:40 |
tacone | they still get ignored by newspaper | May 15 00:40 |
tacone | but are growing, so they can't ignore them so much no longer | May 15 00:40 |
schestowitz | Which is why the Internet is now labeled the turf of child-molesting TERROR~1 | May 15 00:40 |
tacone | the other parties call them 'justicialists' | May 15 00:40 |
schestowitz | In the US they called it "the fight for the minds of men" | May 15 00:41 |
tacone | because they claim many people in the parliament should go to jail. | May 15 00:41 |
schestowitz | They need to keep them focused on illusions, i.e. distratced | May 15 00:41 |
tacone | italy is on no-return | May 15 00:42 |
tacone | they're in school and in text-books | May 15 00:42 |
tacone | 15 years of government is too much | May 15 00:42 |
tacone | hope the french people reacts. but i have little hopes. | May 15 00:42 |
schestowitz | In the news today: | May 15 00:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137337/germany-shuts-wikileaks Germany shuts down Wikileaks | May 15 00:43 |
schestowitz | Did you hear about it? | May 15 00:43 |
tacone | so it was a shutdown ? | May 15 00:43 |
schestowitz | Wikileaks is crucial | May 15 00:43 |
tacone | they told it was the ISP | May 15 00:43 |
schestowitz | It stems stories | May 15 00:43 |
schestowitz | That's where people get dirt on crooked politicians in the first place | May 15 00:44 |
schestowitz | tacone: not sure | May 15 00:44 |
schestowitz | It's the INQ | May 15 00:44 |
tacone | linuxoutlaws podcasting was lamenting in germany, you're liable for clicking pedo porn links | May 15 00:44 |
schestowitz | So follow the link | May 15 00:44 |
schestowitz | Hahgahaha | May 15 00:44 |
tacone | you click the link of a blocked site, and you get a webpage of the police | May 15 00:44 |
tacone | ip recorded and stuff like that | May 15 00:44 |
schestowitz | Ij Linux Outlaws? | May 15 00:44 |
tacone | they renamed it 'the rickroll of death' :-D | May 15 00:44 |
schestowitz | *In | May 15 00:45 |
tacone | http://linuxoutlaws.com/ | May 15 00:45 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 15 00:45 |
schestowitz | I know | May 15 00:45 |
schestowitz | They have a new show | May 15 00:45 |
tacone | one of them is germany | May 15 00:45 |
schestowitz | Funny headline! | May 15 00:45 |
tacone | german | May 15 00:45 |
schestowitz | "CoC" | May 15 00:45 |
schestowitz | yes | May 15 00:45 |
schestowitz | Fabs | May 15 00:45 |
tacone | the title is mine :P | May 15 00:45 |
schestowitz | Is it..? | May 15 00:45 |
tacone | that's a word play they got around during the show recording | May 15 00:45 |
tacone | we were there in the irc channel, so that was my proposal when they wondered how to name the episode. | May 15 00:46 |
tacone | i don't listen podcast but they're pretty funny | May 15 00:46 |
tacone | *podcasts (in general) | May 15 00:47 |
DaemonFC | benchmarking Firefox 1.5 | May 15 00:49 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 00:49 |
DaemonFC | just throwing everything I can find at it | May 15 00:49 |
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schestowitz | tacone: me neither | May 15 00:53 |
schestowitz | There are a few | May 15 00:53 |
schestowitz | If the broadcaster is someone I know | May 15 00:53 |
tacone | an italian eurodeputy got the EU to put out documents about how they don't use open source ?! | May 15 01:02 |
tacone | let me read. | May 15 01:02 |
tacone | title of a user comment on the news 'dirty pigs, just because it's up to us citizen to pay' | May 15 01:03 |
tacone | the user was right, they're pigs | May 15 01:05 |
tacone | economical reason not to use floss: cost of conversion of all existing data from word/powerpoint/excel formats to the new one. | May 15 01:05 |
tacone | schestowitz: still there? seems to be nice stuff for you. | May 15 01:07 |
schestowitz | The site gives some errors... | May 15 01:07 |
tacone | schestowitz: go look for some other errors here http://lnx.marcocappato.it/files/Studio%20Free%20Software%20CII%20EP%20(2009)%2021366%20-%20Annex.pdf | May 15 01:07 |
tacone | in french and english language | May 15 01:07 |
schestowitz | I can't right now | May 15 01:08 |
schestowitz | Something wrong with the server.. | May 15 01:09 |
tacone | download it and read it later. | May 15 01:09 |
tacone | that's the study the EU used to decide between MS and FLOSS | May 15 01:10 |
tacone | a study they didn't want to make public. | May 15 01:10 |
schestowitz | "Server Load 27.92 (4 cpus)" | May 15 01:12 |
tacone | gosh | May 15 01:13 |
tacone | tail the access log of apache. | May 15 01:13 |
schestowitz | Wait | May 15 01:14 |
schestowitz | Could this be related to the MS-crooked one? | May 15 01:14 |
schestowitz | With Zuck? | May 15 01:14 |
tacone | ? | May 15 01:14 |
schestowitz | Open Source Strategy Doc? | May 15 01:14 |
schestowitz | You don't know? | May 15 01:14 |
tacone | dunno | May 15 01:14 |
schestowitz | I'm still in touch the the commission about it | May 15 01:14 |
tacone | oh | May 15 01:14 |
tacone | http://lnx.marcocappato.it/comment/reply/38918 | May 15 01:14 |
tacone | i'm translating this right now on my blog. | May 15 01:15 |
schestowitz | Hahaha! | May 15 01:15 |
schestowitz | gartner | May 15 01:15 |
schestowitz | Skip to pages 25+ | May 15 01:15 |
schestowitz | Microsoft all over it | May 15 01:15 |
tacone | tomorrow i'll try to understand better the who and the where. | May 15 01:15 |
schestowitz | Gosh | May 15 01:16 |
tacone | that's a document the EU didn't want to disclose because disclosing may 'compromise our business agreements with MS' | May 15 01:16 |
schestowitz | Don't they know MS commissioned Gartner for anti-Linux? | May 15 01:16 |
schestowitz | We know | May 15 01:16 |
schestowitz | Cause we have the receipts :-D | May 15 01:16 |
schestowitz | And I see their Linux<1% lie | May 15 01:16 |
schestowitz | Nice to know it's good ol Gartrner | May 15 01:16 |
tacone | this thing is pretty hot | May 15 01:16 |
tacone | and since it's out for the world to see | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | What?? | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | 'compromise our business agreements with MS'? | May 15 01:17 |
tacone | the world will see it. | May 15 01:17 |
tacone | no, the study | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | Wait | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | This is a study about FOSS | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | From Microsoft? | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | Look at page 33 | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | All Microsoft | May 15 01:17 |
tacone | used to decide if use foss or stick with m$ | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | Windows, Windows, Windows.. | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | Based on GARTNER? | May 15 01:17 |
tacone | yeah :) | May 15 01:17 |
schestowitz | It's like asking the Pope if you should coinvert to Islam | May 15 01:18 |
tacone | next time they'll ask IDC :P | May 15 01:18 |
schestowitz | Wow | May 15 01:18 |
schestowitz | Look at page 29 | May 15 01:18 |
schestowitz | 39 | May 15 01:18 |
schestowitz | They mock Linux | May 15 01:18 |
schestowitz | Wow | May 15 01:18 |
schestowitz | This is poison | May 15 01:18 |
tacone | i won't even read it | May 15 01:18 |
schestowitz | They deface Tux | May 15 01:18 |
tacone | i'll translate Cappato's post and publish the attachment. | May 15 01:18 |
schestowitz | What is this, a tabloid? | May 15 01:18 |
schestowitz | Wine FUD | May 15 01:19 |
tacone | the italian EU parliament guy that fighted the EU to disclose this study | May 15 01:19 |
schestowitz | OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! | May 15 01:20 |
schestowitz | Michael SIlver!!! | May 15 01:20 |
schestowitz | That's their mMAIN SHILL | May 15 01:20 |
schestowitz | That's where it comes from | May 15 01:20 |
schestowitz | Moses smell the roses | May 15 01:20 |
schestowitz | he's like an MS employee | May 15 01:21 |
schestowitz | he also attacks ODF | May 15 01:21 |
schestowitz | This thing is a farce | May 15 01:21 |
tacone | schestowitz: so now tell me | May 15 01:21 |
tacone | it this document nice or not ? :-) | May 15 01:21 |
schestowitz | It IS | May 15 01:21 |
tacone | here's the source where I downloaded it http://lnx.marcocappato.it/comment/reply/38918 | May 15 01:21 |
schestowitz | Keep a copy | May 15 01:21 |
schestowitz | I'll post about it tomorrow | May 15 01:22 |
DaemonFC | "My message to the IE team is that you should all go commit seppuku for this abomination." | May 15 01:22 |
schestowitz | Will link to the other Zuck fox too | May 15 01:22 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 01:22 |
schestowitz | They are totally corrupting the minds of Feds | May 15 01:22 |
schestowitz | --- | May 15 01:22 |
schestowitz | I make a copy here | May 15 01:22 |
schestowitz | Let's hange subject.. | May 15 01:23 |
*tacone translating now ! | May 15 01:26 | |
DaemonFC | http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9417/96241174.png | May 15 01:30 |
DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/surprise-the-fastest-browser-on-windows-is-in-fact/ | May 15 01:30 |
DaemonFC | "On a technical level, IE is competing with Firefox 2 for speed and Firefox 1.0 for standards support." | May 15 01:31 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 01:31 |
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tacone | uff, almost done with the translation | May 15 01:52 |
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Ziggyfish | schestowitz, is the site down? | May 15 01:56 |
tacone | some dos perhaps | May 15 01:56 |
Ziggyfish | ??? | May 15 01:56 |
tacone | denial of service | May 15 01:57 |
Ziggyfish | it seems to be a wiki problem | May 15 01:57 |
Ziggyfish | oh, of course | May 15 01:57 |
tacone | wordpress uses cache | May 15 01:57 |
Ziggyfish | or to many people on the site | May 15 01:58 |
tacone | digg effect ? slashdotted ? | May 15 01:58 |
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tacone | god bless wordpress spell checker | May 15 02:05 |
tacone | amen. | May 15 02:05 |
schestowitz | Ziggyfish: server is very, very slow | May 15 02:06 |
schestowitz | tacone: wordpress ot Firefox? | May 15 02:07 |
tacone | wordpress | May 15 02:07 |
tacone | i've a nice ABC button, if I click it it suggests alternative spellings | May 15 02:07 |
tacone | a god send for me, since I'm no english mother language. and translating makes everything harder | May 15 02:07 |
tacone | i also have firefox ubiquity plugin, which has a shortcut I use to translate certain words | May 15 02:08 |
tacone | rappresentanti = representatives != representants | May 15 02:08 |
schestowitz | Server has stablisedi, finally | May 15 02:12 |
schestowitz | Thanks, tacone | May 15 02:12 |
tacone | schestowitz: i'll publish the translation in 1-2 minutes | May 15 02:12 |
tacone | contains some funny bits | May 15 02:12 |
tacone | schestowitz: how do you call when an elected commission end their mandate ? | May 15 02:18 |
tacone | in italy we call it 'legislatura' | May 15 02:18 |
tacone | is legislature a proper term ? | May 15 02:18 |
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Ziggyfish | yes | May 15 02:22 |
tacone | ok | May 15 02:22 |
Ziggyfish | it's a person who manages legislation | May 15 02:24 |
tacone | no, i mean | May 15 02:24 |
tacone | when a government ends | May 15 02:24 |
tacone | is 'legislature end' a proper term ? | May 15 02:24 |
schestowitz | Just finished watching the first installment of The Trap < http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B6B9EE3203331822&search_query=bbc+the+trap > very good, recommended. | May 15 02:34 |
schestowitz | Stefano, it's almost 4am there. | May 15 02:35 |
schestowitz | I'm done for today... links posted, server strablised : -) | May 15 02:35 |
tacone | schestowitz: are you there ? | May 15 02:37 |
tacone | good night schestowitz | May 15 02:38 |
tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-eu-parliament-still-sticks-with-microsoft-heres-why/ | May 15 02:38 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T52u75dSwBI&feature=related | May 15 02:41 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nUVjMkhF_I&annotation_id=annotation_916248&feature=iv | May 15 02:50 |
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oiaohm | http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22643/ << Kinda the next wave. | May 15 03:12 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: I need to try KDE on Windows again | May 15 03:40 |
DaemonFC | wonder if it's gotten any better | May 15 03:40 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, speaking of Flash | May 15 03:41 |
DaemonFC | isn't open sourcing the last distch before being crushed by Microsoft? | May 15 03:41 |
DaemonFC | Netscape, Java, and now Flash? | May 15 03:41 |
DaemonFC | *ditch | May 15 03:42 |
DaemonFC | "Oh shit, we're fucked now, open source it even though we're 3 years too late for that to do any good | May 15 03:42 |
DaemonFC | B-) | May 15 03:42 |
Nothing on Windows has gotten any better, FC | May 15 03:42 | |
DaemonFC | Adobe has had every reason to open source everything necessary to play back Flash | May 15 03:43 |
The way CBS, NYT and Major League Baseball are going, Adobe is far from being crushed. | May 15 03:43 | |
DaemonFC | anything that encourages more installations of Flash makes their development tools more in demand | May 15 03:43 |
yep | May 15 03:43 | |
DaemonFC | if every non-IE browser on every OS comes with Flash effectively built-in | May 15 03:44 |
and pdf tools, etc | May 15 03:44 | |
DaemonFC | then they have a powerful new tool to fight Microsoft with | May 15 03:44 |
no one is going to replace their proven paper path and media for the new M$ suck. | May 15 03:45 | |
Adobe's most serious competition comes from free tools. | May 15 03:46 | |
Adobe can flow with it or flush away with M$ | May 15 03:46 | |
It is amazing how M$ managed to crush competitors one at a time. If any of them had their thinking caps on, they would have united to beat M$ off long ago. Docbock, SGML, VMS, BSD, Word Perfect, should also be thought of when considering stuff like Netscape. | May 15 03:48 | |
NextStep, Mac, Amiga and so on and so forth. | May 15 03:49 | |
All of them had much better than the Windows hell hole of non standards. | May 15 03:49 | |
oiaohm | twitter is really had to bet a competor that does a stack of illegal deals. Like if you wanted to sell MS dos you had to agree that all computers you made even if they did not have a x86 processor you payed MS for. | May 15 03:55 |
oiaohm | BSD and VMS had no interest in the desktop. | May 15 03:57 |
I'm not sure what you just said, but yeah M$ depends on anti-competitive practices. Surely an alliance of others would be stronger than M$ when it comes to vendors. | May 15 03:57 | |
oiaohm | Amiga screwed them selves over with even worse anti-competitive partices. Like being the only provide for applications for there OS. | May 15 03:58 |
It does not matter much now, the tables are turned on M$ and they have little hope of competing | May 15 03:58 | |
oiaohm | History is littered with companys that have make the same mistakes as MS. | May 15 03:59 |
oiaohm | As humans we fail to learn from history. | May 15 03:59 |
oiaohm | Wordperfect tried twitter. | May 15 04:00 |
They were crushed on Windows. | May 15 04:01 | |
oiaohm | So did netscape. Netscape. | May 15 04:01 |
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Crushed on Windows. | May 15 04:01 | |
oiaohm | sure make sure they could come back. | May 15 04:01 |
oiaohm | You cheat we release source code so we will not die. | May 15 04:01 |
The best way to avoid being crushed on Windows is to have nothing to do with Windows. | May 15 04:01 | |
This is why I think porting to Windows is a waste of time. | May 15 04:02 | |
oiaohm | How did Windows crush OS/2 | May 15 04:02 |
At the OEM level. M$ dumped Win3.1 and made sure OS/2 was always more expensive than Windows. | May 15 04:02 | |
oiaohm | Windows had a OS/2 emulation layer and under cut price. | May 15 04:03 |
IBM will have the last laugh | May 15 04:03 | |
oiaohm | Porting applications to windows also have there advantage. | May 15 04:04 |
they have learned that non free software is a waste of time. | May 15 04:04 | |
oiaohm | Reducing the migration cost. | May 15 04:04 |
oiaohm | In the case of firefox getting big enough market to make web sites support it. | May 15 04:04 |
Reduced migration cost comes from simply having better tools outside of Windows. | May 15 04:04 | |
oiaohm | remember with IE was heavly dominate in web site design twitter. | May 15 04:05 |
I don't really remember that. | May 15 04:05 | |
oiaohm | When sites were failing under firefox like banking sites. | May 15 04:06 |
I remember a few crap sites and a few businesses that made some bad decisions. All of that died off quickly. | May 15 04:06 | |
oiaohm | It was either IE or don't do business. | May 15 04:06 |
Business does not work that way. | May 15 04:06 | |
oiaohm | It was when IE had its highest market share. | May 15 04:06 |
As a business you don't turn away customers. | May 15 04:06 | |
oiaohm | Around 96 percent. | May 15 04:07 |
IE never had that much of the market and that is still not enough to justify IE only design. | May 15 04:07 | |
oiaohm | In some markets it did. | May 15 04:07 |
A business that turns away one in twenty customers is really stupid | May 15 04:07 | |
oiaohm | Australia here it got to that number. | May 15 04:07 |
oiaohm | So businesses stoped supporting other browsers for a while. | May 15 04:08 |
Yeah, yeah, sites that did the IE only thing lost money. | May 15 04:08 | |
oiaohm | Nop. | May 15 04:08 |
oiaohm | Every bank was the same. | May 15 04:08 |
oiaohm | So it was a simple case either run IE or don't do business. | May 15 04:08 |
Newspapers, banks, broadcasters, these are all synonyms for failure right now. | May 15 04:09 | |
big dumb companies | May 15 04:09 | |
oiaohm | Australian banks are not in trouble. | May 15 04:09 |
they failed because they were run by idiots | May 15 04:09 | |
oiaohm | They are doing quite well. | May 15 04:09 |
yeah, right. | May 15 04:09 | |
oiaohm | They are all recording profits. | May 15 04:09 |
oiaohm | Only down by 5 percent. | May 15 04:09 |
must not have invested in M$ and other mistakes. | May 15 04:10 | |
oiaohm | Basically they are not dumb banks. | May 15 04:10 |
good for them | May 15 04:10 | |
oiaohm | annoying banks for working as a team. | May 15 04:10 |
but they are very dumb indeed if they make it hard for customers to use their site or trust M$ to make things easy for themselves. | May 15 04:10 | |
oiaohm | These days it flipped over. | May 15 04:11 |
good. | May 15 04:11 | |
oiaohm | Many of them refuse your login if you are running IE. | May 15 04:11 |
that's a fraud prevention tactic that others should follow. | May 15 04:11 | |
oiaohm | They are highly bias in there operations. | May 15 04:11 |
oiaohm | Never would have happened if Firefox did not run on windows. | May 15 04:12 |
but it is inconsistent, Windows itself can not be trusted. | May 15 04:12 | |
so they annoy the customer to no real effect. they will lose money to fraud anyway. | May 15 04:12 | |
oiaohm | I know but some applications need to be ported to windows to unlock some markets for everyone else. | May 15 04:12 |
they should test for Windows and refuse to proceed. | May 15 04:13 | |
GNU/Linux can also be downloaded at no charge. Business must protect itself by protecting their customers from flawed software. | May 15 04:13 | |
oiaohm | Firefox is one of those that really was required to be on every platform. Web browsers reallly fall into that cat. | May 15 04:13 |
oiaohm | They are the key stone applications. | May 15 04:14 |
web standards work better than any specific application. | May 15 04:14 | |
FF would be leaner and meaner if it were not chasing M$ crap. | May 15 04:14 | |
oiaohm | Without them people to use OS to do business becomes extreamly hard. | May 15 04:14 |
oiaohm | FF needs a complier that works on Linux and kernel bug with fsync removed. | May 15 04:14 |
The faster and further you distance yourself from M$, the better off you are. | May 15 04:15 | |
GCC works just fine for the purposes. | May 15 04:15 | |
please don't GNU troll here. | May 15 04:15 | |
oiaohm | GCC cannot profile well due to lacking whole program optimisation. Reallly Firefox could close some of the performance gap changing over to llvm. | May 15 04:16 |
My nice little laptop works so much better with free software than Windows that your GNU FUD does not have a leg to stand on. | May 15 04:16 | |
GCC can be improved, but the things which use it are already vastly better than anything M$ has to offer. | May 15 04:16 | |
oiaohm | GCC needs to be improved. | May 15 04:17 |
oiaohm | Not just can be. | May 15 04:17 |
GCC will be improved and is constantly. D | May 15 04:18 | |
oiaohm | The most annoying one is binutils is ment to have a build mode when it can build for every platform. It design says it should work. But due to hacks over the years that feature does not work. | May 15 04:18 |
M$ shit is stagnant and actually falling apart. | May 15 04:18 | |
oiaohm | GCC also has hacks that have broken its internal operations. | May 15 04:19 |
You make mountains of little grains of sand. | May 15 04:19 | |
Just about everyone uses GCC. | May 15 04:19 | |
oiaohm | As long as you are moving sand in the right direction. | May 15 04:19 |
BSD, Sun, Apple and of course GNU/Linux. | May 15 04:19 | |
Google. | May 15 04:20 | |
oiaohm | BSD's are looking to move away from GCC | May 15 04:20 |
oiaohm | Google highly customised verison of GCC. | May 15 04:20 |
yeah, yeah, they have forever. Let me know when anyone considers M$VC. LOL | May 15 04:20 | |
oiaohm | Reactos team. | May 15 04:21 |
people at Novell? | May 15 04:21 | |
oiaohm | It used to build mono for windows so I would suspect so. | May 15 04:22 |
has M$ ever fixed their embarrassing white space problems? | May 15 04:22 | |
DaemonFC | I've used MSVC to build Windows apps | May 15 04:22 |
You know, where substituting spaces for tabs breaks things? | May 15 04:22 | |
oiaohm | Fixed quite a few versions back twitter. | May 15 04:22 |
Windows apps is about all you can build with MSVC. | May 15 04:22 | |
DaemonFC | yeah, GCC 4.4 is a lot better even when you're tageting Windows | May 15 04:23 |
DaemonFC | it's pathetic | May 15 04:23 |
Windows is pathetic, so why would I target it? | May 15 04:23 | |
except for deletion. | May 15 04:23 | |
oiaohm | Yet Gcc 4.4 programs on windows still end up slower than MSVC ones. | May 15 04:23 |
oiaohm | It 1 bug. | May 15 04:23 |
oiaohm | Lack of whole program optimisation. | May 15 04:24 |
and no one cares, ha ha. | May 15 04:24 | |
oiaohm | You care when firefox is faster on windows than Linux. | May 15 04:24 |
DaemonFC | no, Windows shouldn't be targeted for bad performance by open source applications | May 15 04:24 |
DaemonFC | you don't gain attention by advertising that open source apps run worse than Microsoft ones | May 15 04:24 |
DaemonFC | which is what will happen if the compiler doesn't optimize Windows binaries well | May 15 04:25 |
DaemonFC | or well, not good attention | May 15 04:25 |
DaemonFC | the last thing open source should be doing is letting these MS FUD spreaders have merit | May 15 04:25 |
oiaohm | Gcc is a cause of a lot of bad advertising of open source. | May 15 04:25 |
Nothing runs slower than Windows. | May 15 04:26 | |
oiaohm | LOL | May 15 04:26 |
DaemonFC | OS X does | May 15 04:26 |
DaemonFC | actually | May 15 04:26 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 04:26 |
This talk of FF running faster on windows is crazy. | May 15 04:26 | |
DaemonFC | it does run faster on Windows | May 15 04:26 |
oiaohm | You can bench and prove it many times over twitter | May 15 04:26 |
DaemonFC | Linux is not really a priority for them | May 15 04:26 |
DaemonFC | it's fairly obvious | May 15 04:26 |
I can't really see that when the hardware I have gets me where I want to go faster. | May 15 04:26 | |
I think this benchmark is bullshit. | May 15 04:27 | |
oiaohm | Bad complier equals bad performing programs. | May 15 04:27 |
and no, I can't really reproduce it because Windows is not worth booting. | May 15 04:27 | |
Actually, I think I can reproduce it. | May 15 04:27 | |
oiaohm | Just compare llvm build program to a gcc built one. | May 15 04:28 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if there's a way to lock file assiciations in Windows | May 15 04:28 |
oiaohm | Both are open source complier. | May 15 04:28 |
I can take any live CD and boot faster and get surfing faster than real live windows does on the same machine. | May 15 04:28 | |
DaemonFC | to keep IE from invading | May 15 04:28 |
oiaohm | gcc is slow. | May 15 04:28 |
oiaohm | llvm built services can speed up your boot process. | May 15 04:29 |
I know all of the hardware at work is way better than my laptop but Windows sucks the life out of all of it. | May 15 04:29 | |
oiaohm | Level of hacks in the Linux kernel to do that twitter to get around gcc problems is down right scary. | May 15 04:29 |
I can take Knoppix, Mepis or even Ubuntu live CDs to that hardware and beat the piss out of Windows on it. | May 15 04:29 | |
I don't care what "hacks" GCC uses, the end result is the same. | May 15 04:30 | |
oiaohm | Anyone who truely has had to make gcc give performance out to gcc will not like it. | May 15 04:30 |
oiaohm | You end up with harder to maintain code. | May 15 04:30 |
You call M$VC "hacks" optimizations, but none of it works worth a crap when it's all put together. | May 15 04:30 | |
oiaohm | MSVC gets speed out of clean to spec code more than what gcc does. | May 15 04:31 |
oiaohm | So does llvm. | May 15 04:31 |
M$VC does not conform to standards | May 15 04:31 | |
and none of it matters. Windows is a pig. | May 15 04:31 | |
oiaohm | To get gcc to catch up you have to use non standard conforming code. Gcc only code. | May 15 04:32 |
oiaohm | Even then it don't fully catch up. | May 15 04:32 |
Standards will catch up to GCC sooner or later. | May 15 04:32 | |
oiaohm | MSVC application speed is normally worse when you use the sections of MS complier that don't conform to standards. | May 15 04:33 |
As soon as M$ and other douche bags go under and quit corrupting "standards" | May 15 04:33 | |
oiaohm | twitter the extentions I have to use with Gcc and code reshape to get performance are all marked for long term removal. | May 15 04:33 |
oiaohm | So will never become part of a standard. | May 15 04:34 |
oiaohm | The are pure hacks nothing more. | May 15 04:34 |
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what you "have to use" has nothing to do with much I care about. :) | May 15 04:34 | |
oiaohm | You care above applications malfuctions. the code reshaping for speed increases risks of that. | May 15 04:35 |
oiaohm | Because functions that are all releated that should be in the same source file have to be spreed to the wind threw the source code. | May 15 04:36 |
oiaohm | So increasing risk of incompadible modifications. | May 15 04:36 |
you talk a lot, but you really can't change the big picture. free software out performs non free software. I'm going to believe my eyes before I listen to your nit picks. | May 15 04:37 | |
oiaohm | Some areas it out performs. | May 15 04:37 |
oiaohm | The question is at what price twitter. | May 15 04:37 |
I pay no price for my performance, ohm | May 15 04:38 | |
oiaohm | Part of the reason why BSD has been slower is there strict rules against the kinds of hacks I am talking about. | May 15 04:38 |
BSD is usually snappy and nice. I'm not sure what you are talking about. | May 15 04:39 | |
Generally, Ohm, you are full of shit. | May 15 04:39 | |
lots of small details to tell a big lie | May 15 04:39 | |
oiaohm | Small details are important. | May 15 04:40 |
the big picture is more important | May 15 04:41 | |
the big picture I've got is that lots more people are working on small chunks of free software and the results are excellent. | May 15 04:41 | |
oiaohm | What will define the long term big picture. Its all the small details that make it up. Some sections are more important than others. | May 15 04:42 |
GNU debugger, for example, has more than 90 authors | May 15 04:42 | |
no non free software can afford that kind of attention and most non free debuggers are not as good. | May 15 04:42 | |
the same goes for most GNU tools | May 15 04:42 | |
oiaohm | Very bad claim. | May 15 04:43 |
yet you try to paint GNU as inferior to MSVC, LOL | May 15 04:43 | |
an insane claim if ever there was one. | May 15 04:43 | |
oiaohm | dtrace is one of the best debuggers out there. | May 15 04:43 |
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I think you have switched the subject, Mr. Resistor. | May 15 04:44 | |
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the_mad_hatter | Evening. | May 15 04:44 |
oiaohm | gnu have been mostly alright tools. | May 15 04:44 |
good evening. | May 15 04:44 | |
oiaohm | Not the best tools twitter | May 15 04:44 |
any news hatter? | May 15 04:44 | |
go away ohm. | May 15 04:44 | |
the_mad_hatter | Yeah. Got a good one for Roy. You know that Evolution is a Novell project? | May 15 04:45 |
No, I don't use Evolution. | May 15 04:45 | |
and don't know much about it other than I prefer Kontact | May 15 04:45 | |
the_mad_hatter | It's a part of the Gnome desktop. You install any distro that uses Gnome, you get Evolution. | May 15 04:45 |
yep, I've got it. never used it. | May 15 04:46 | |
what's the news | May 15 04:46 | |
? | May 15 04:46 | |
oiaohm | Have you not worked out what I am after yet twitter. I am after the best this requires taking information form different designs. Seeing where others have made the right and wrong moves are key to see how to improve the overall picture. | May 15 04:46 |
Take it to Ballmer and other places that need a lot of help. | May 15 04:46 | |
the_mad_hatter | Anyway, I don't like it. It's an Outlook clone, don't like Outlook either. And the damned thing starts anytime it thinks you are trying to click on an email address, so I decided to remove it. | May 15 04:47 |
oiaohm | MS debugging and GNU debugging has always been secound rate to solarias. | May 15 04:47 |
the_mad_hatter | Add/Remove programs under Ubuntu won't let you do that, so I went to Synaptic | May 15 04:47 |
oiaohm | Different section different winner twitter. | May 15 04:47 |
So what happened? | May 15 04:48 | |
the_mad_hatter | Synaptic gave me some interesting in a this may take out the entire desktop answers, so I posted in the Ubuntu forums | May 15 04:48 |
the_mad_hatter | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7281648#post7281648 | May 15 04:48 |
the_mad_hatter | How do you remove Evolution | May 15 04:48 |
the_mad_hatter | Pointing out that it was pretty stupid to link an email client that closely to the desktop. | May 15 04:49 |
the_mad_hatter | I now have an Evolution free Ubuntu 9.04 | May 15 04:49 |
the_mad_hatter | And there's an explanation posted there that makes it easy for anyone to do. | May 15 04:49 |
so, did it take out your desktop? | May 15 04:49 | |
ah | May 15 04:50 | |
the_mad_hatter | After all, who wants to support Novell? | May 15 04:50 |
hmmm, it might have been better to just associate mail related tasks to other software, like thunderbird or kmail | May 15 04:52 | |
the_mad_hatter | I think I'm going to hang around the Gnome forums pushing that idea. | May 15 04:52 |
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email is an very important part of any system. | May 15 04:53 | |
and a graphical client is also important to most users. | May 15 04:55 | |
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What's strange to me is that the graphical clients don't automatically use system mail. | May 15 04:56 | |
typically /var/mail/user is not a default set up in kmail, evolution and other mail clients. they only look in /home/user/Mail. | May 15 04:56 | |
oiaohm_ | That goes back a long time into history where different distributions put the /var/mail under /spool/mail /usr/share/spool/mail and so on. | May 15 04:58 |
the_mad_hatter | Actually I compared linking Evolution that closely to the Gnome desktop, to linking Internet Exploder that closely to Windows. | May 15 04:58 |
symlinks are the answer to that | May 15 04:58 | |
oiaohm_ | /home/user/Mail was a dependable location. | May 15 04:59 |
and distributions should have it figured out | May 15 04:59 | |
system mail is important | May 15 04:59 | |
oiaohm_ | Remember I said there is bit rot in the open source code bases. | May 15 04:59 |
oiaohm_ | This is just another bit of it. | May 15 04:59 |
oiaohm_ | It works kinda so there is no hurry to fix it. | May 15 04:59 |
Ohm, ohm. This petty problem is nothing compared to the mess that is Winblows + Outlook | May 15 05:00 | |
oiaohm_ | There are just a lot of them. | May 15 05:00 |
Does Winblows even have system mail and logging yet? sheesh. | May 15 05:00 | |
Windows has yet to begin to emulate the good things of Unix to the point that they can brag of having small problems some GNU/Linux distributions have. | May 15 05:01 | |
oiaohm_ | Supprisingly it windows does have a system mail. Even that outlook does not operate it correctly. | May 15 05:01 |
DaemonFC | turning off Windows Defender frees 83 megs of RAM :) | May 15 05:01 |
Just another unimplemented VMS thing, eh Ohm? | May 15 05:02 | |
DaemonFC | XP can run with 64 megs, to Vista that's spare change | May 15 05:02 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 05:02 |
oiaohm_ | It implemenet just does not work right. | May 15 05:02 |
the_mad_hatter | windows is so bad, that the words don't exist to describe it. | May 15 05:02 |
oiaohm_ | About normal for MS. | May 15 05:02 |
DaemonFC | 83 megs | May 15 05:03 |
DaemonFC | and any decent antivirus detects more spyware than Windows Defender | May 15 05:03 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 05:03 |
oiaohm_ | twitter: mail management that works is one thing I do give to Linux. | May 15 05:04 |
oiaohm_ | Exchange/outlook combinatation is the most evil setup for data loss ever dreamed up. | May 15 05:05 |
DaemonFC | that's 83 megs closer to the Swap file for no good reason | May 15 05:05 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 05:05 |
FC, it's like filling down the points on your bed of nails. | May 15 05:06 | |
oiaohm_ | Of course that does not mean that Linux mail system does not have historic left ovres in them. | May 15 05:06 |
the_mad_hatter | We switched my mother-in-law to XUbuntu | May 15 05:06 |
Bill will just keep pushing new ones into your flesh where you are not looking. | May 15 05:06 | |
oiaohm_ | That should be cleaned up. | May 15 05:06 |
DaemonFC | meh, some Linux software is kind of like "Oh God why?" | May 15 05:07 |
Xubuntu, how is it? | May 15 05:07 | |
DaemonFC | like all those mail clients that depend on atime or relatime on the file system | May 15 05:07 |
the_mad_hatter | because of worries about losing her work | May 15 05:07 |
DaemonFC | to know when to check for mail | May 15 05:07 |
the_mad_hatter | Great. She's gotten used to it, and has no problems | May 15 05:07 |
DaemonFC | twitter: No reason to use Xubuntu | May 15 05:07 |
Interesting, good for her. | May 15 05:07 | |
the_mad_hatter | It was extra work making her last DOS and Windows app work <G> | May 15 05:07 |
ick | May 15 05:08 | |
the_mad_hatter | Why not use XUbuntu? | May 15 05:08 |
DaemonFC | Xubuntu uses the same amount of RAM | May 15 05:08 |
I'd trade just about any distro for Windows. | May 15 05:08 | |
DaemonFC | and guts way too much usability for what you get in return | May 15 05:08 |
You might get speed out of the bargain. | May 15 05:08 | |
DaemonFC | nope | May 15 05:08 |
DaemonFC | I checked both of them out | May 15 05:09 |
DaemonFC | Fedora's XFCE spin is the way to go if you want a speedy XFCE environment | May 15 05:09 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu has turned it into a broken GNOME clone | May 15 05:09 |
I know that I've got all but 7 MB of ram used even though I'm using E16, but I get great speed up over Gnome or KDE. | May 15 05:09 | |
the_mad_hatter | Well, it worked for her, and seemed faster than Ubuntu on her machine (4 years old) | May 15 05:10 |
The ram was put to use for the apps and E16 is efficient | May 15 05:10 | |
cool | May 15 05:10 | |
it might be. | May 15 05:10 | |
I'd leave good enough alone with that machine for now. | May 15 05:11 | |
You can always try out other desktops with Xubuntu by installing them. | May 15 05:11 | |
oiaohm_ | The question is how long before we get a in bios linux that we can add our own applications to. | May 15 05:11 |
DaemonFC | or you can get the minimal Ubuntu ISO | May 15 05:12 |
DaemonFC | and build what you need with apt-get :) | May 15 05:12 |
the_mad_hatter | Yeah. well her internet connection is slow, real slow. She lives way out in the boondocks. | May 15 05:12 |
the_mad_hatter | So a CD was the best option. | May 15 05:12 |
DaemonFC | DWM is a pig | May 15 05:14 |
DaemonFC | 77 megs | May 15 05:14 |
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DaemonFC | I'm downloading KDE For Windows 4.2.3 | May 15 05:44 |
DaemonFC | http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/981/49498341.png | May 15 05:52 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror on Vista | May 15 05:52 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 05:52 |
ick | May 15 05:53 | |
just use linux | May 15 05:53 | |
mvkfopw | kde is better in linux | May 15 05:53 |
or be more a part of this than not https://secure.cryptohippie.com/pubs/EPS-2008.pdf | May 15 05:53 | |
mvkfopw | in windows it works slower | May 15 05:53 |
DaemonFC | I'm benchmarking it | May 15 05:53 |
everything is slower in windows but getting p0wned | May 15 05:54 | |
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konq is missing system, one of my favorite links, in it's start up. see if system:/ works | May 15 05:55 | |
you might also see if audiocd:/ works | May 15 05:56 | |
DaemonFC | oh my god | May 15 05:57 |
DaemonFC | even Konqueror on Windows is faster than IE | May 15 05:57 |
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DaemonFC | http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7972/91114397.png | May 15 05:58 |
ha ha | May 15 06:01 | |
IE is a pig | May 15 06:01 | |
The Lancet skewers Gates Foundation Medical spending http://www.hindu.com/2009/05/10/stories/2009051055151000.htm | May 15 06:02 | |
I wonder if they know about all the newspapers that the foundation bought. | May 15 06:03 | |
DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/surprise-the-fastest-browser-on-windows-is-in-fact/ | May 15 06:04 |
DaemonFC | "Yes, even the unoptimized port of Konqueror had its wicked way with Microsoft’s latest browser. :)" | May 15 06:04 |
-> “Gates Foundation is not a passive donor,” observes the paper. “The Foundation actively engages in policy making and agenda setting activities; it has representatives that sit on the governing structures of many global health partnerships; it is part of a self-appointed group of global health leaders known as the H8 [that includes the WHO, UNICEF, GAVI and the World Bank]… and has been involved in setting the health agen | May 15 06:05 | |
Konq is a nice browser. Pity to weigh it down with a crappy OS that does not do time, mail and other things right yet. | May 15 06:06 | |
users, permissions, package management, sane paths, reasonable virtual desktops, networking, or just about anything. | May 15 06:07 | |
Lest you think copyright is required for art, behold the world's oldest human art objects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Schelklingen | May 15 06:11 | |
porn and music from 40,000 years ago. | May 15 06:11 | |
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-> "[the figurine] would have taken "tens if not hundreds of hours" to carve." | May 15 06:12 | |
but, but, without restrictions there will be no profits or art, drool. | May 15 06:12 | |
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mvkfopw | konq is not too good at javascript | May 15 06:29 |
DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/surprise-the-fastest-browser-on-windows-is-in-fact/ | May 15 06:39 |
*DaemonFC tweaked the page a bit :P | May 15 06:39 | |
DaemonFC | IE 8 doesn't even make the Top 10 list for fastest browsers on Windows :) | May 15 06:40 |
DaemonFC | I got a lot of my music collection in WMA | May 15 06:41 |
DaemonFC | cause it was all free :) | May 15 06:41 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft was trying to push a subscription WMA service called URGE around the time Vista was launched, so they were giving out 2 week trials like PEZ | May 15 06:42 |
DaemonFC | and it was around that time that Fairuse4WM surfaced | May 15 06:42 |
DaemonFC | lol | May 15 06:42 |
DaemonFC | not only was I getting thousands of free songs, Microsoft and the RIAA were footing the bandwidth and cataloging | May 15 06:43 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Windows-7-to-Update-with-Fake-Patches-332777/ | May 15 07:06 |
DaemonFC | lmao | May 15 07:06 |
DaemonFC | at least that hasn't changed | May 15 07:06 |
konq is just fine with javascript that's reasonable. not having a bunch of workarounds for broken M$ shit is one of the reasons konq is not a pig. | May 15 07:19 | |
DaemonFC | I just found that funny that it's faster than IE 8 | May 15 07:28 |
DaemonFC | given that it's not even really meant for Windows | May 15 07:29 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/researchers_hij.html | May 15 07:35 |
DaemonFC | The researchers were too afraid to disinfect the 182,000 infected Windows machines for fear that it could cause them to fail | May 15 07:41 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: the Obama admin uses comedy and bashing I see.... very tasteless | May 15 08:23 |
schestowitz | Running an empire is no theatre | May 15 08:23 |
DaemonFC | I think Wanda Sykes is pretty funny | May 15 08:23 |
DaemonFC | besides, Bush ran these "press correspondence dinners" all the time | May 15 08:23 |
DaemonFC | of course he also ended up getting roasted by Steven Colbert | May 15 08:24 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 08:24 |
DaemonFC | which was mildly hilarious | May 15 08:24 |
DaemonFC | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879 | May 15 08:25 |
schestowitz | What's this about? http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/index.php/site/odf_alliance_award_citations/ | May 15 08:36 |
schestowitz | I thought they had given the prize to where it belongs. | May 15 08:36 |
schestowitz | BTW, BN server is still not behaving. Heavy load, but maybe DDOS | May 15 08:36 |
schestowitz | Possibly a different account on the same server | May 15 08:37 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: IE 5 for UNIX still runs on OpenSolaris | May 15 08:38 |
DaemonFC | :D | May 15 08:38 |
schestowitz | I'm blocking some IPs now | May 15 08:46 |
schestowitz | 10k pages in one day from one IP is not normal | May 15 08:46 |
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schestowitz | It was like 44k pages in 21 hours, by awstats | May 15 08:46 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't know when it was down/up while I was asleep but I only got an E-mail now, so maybe it workedsporadically before | May 15 08:47 |
schestowitz | "Server Load 61.11 (4 cpus)" | May 15 08:49 |
schestowitz | This stinks | May 15 08:49 |
schestowitz | I can hardly analyse usage | May 15 08:50 |
schestowitz | So I don't know what hammers | May 15 08:50 |
DaemonFC | are you being DDoSed? | May 15 08:51 |
schestowitz | Maybe | May 15 08:51 |
schestowitz | Unless it's real traffic, obviously | May 15 08:51 |
schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/330684/ < Can you hear me now? > | May 15 08:51 |
DaemonFC | how would that much legitimate traffic just happen all of a sudden? | May 15 08:51 |
schestowitz | Oh wait | May 15 08:52 |
schestowitz | Maybe the Wiki | May 15 08:52 |
schestowitz | I can't quite compare to see if it's the Wiki that takes the heavy load | May 15 08:52 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's really distributed, so no IP block would resolve iot | May 15 08:53 |
schestowitz | Server Load 103.85 (4 cpus) | May 15 08:54 |
schestowitz | In phomyadmin is it possible to just see load per short perdiod of recent time? | May 15 08:54 |
schestowitz | It just shows average over a long time | May 15 08:54 |
schestowitz | "This MySQL server has been running for 43 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes and 58 seconds. It started up on Apr 01, 2009 at 05:02 AM. " | May 15 08:55 |
schestowitz | So the server was never rebooted or anything. | May 15 08:55 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kmeleon | May 15 08:56 |
DaemonFC | I'm benchmarking this too | May 15 08:56 |
DaemonFC | I remember I used to use it on my Windows 98 box | May 15 08:57 |
DaemonFC | I had a set of tools to strip all the crap out of Windows 98, use the Windows 95 OSR 2 Explorer shell | May 15 08:58 |
DaemonFC | I got a full Windows 98 install down to 97 megs | May 15 08:58 |
schestowitz | For reasons I am unable to figure out, basically for the past 8 hours or so load has been very high and the server not responsive. I didn't change anything and I even wonder if there is a DDOS attack, not just a server malfunction. | May 15 08:58 |
schestowitz | This is annoying | May 15 08:58 |
DaemonFC | just by taking out IE, Outlook, and Media Player, few other things | May 15 08:58 |
schestowitz | But it has worked flawlessly for a long time, so I can't complain | May 15 08:58 |
DaemonFC | well | May 15 08:58 |
DaemonFC | *shrugs* | May 15 08:59 |
DaemonFC | the last server of any kind I had ran Windows 2000 | May 15 08:59 |
schestowitz | Cloud computing with Linux thin clients < http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-thin-client-cloud/index.html > | May 15 08:59 |
DaemonFC | and I also have an OpenNap server | May 15 08:59 |
DaemonFC | running Windows 98 | May 15 08:59 |
schestowitz | "Server Load 52.49 (4 cpus)" | May 15 09:00 |
DaemonFC | Windows 2000 and 2003 don't make bad servers actually | May 15 09:00 |
schestowitz | Wow. It has.... 'improved' | May 15 09:00 |
DaemonFC | they're just expensive as all hell | May 15 09:00 |
DaemonFC | OUCH | May 15 09:01 |
DaemonFC | KMeleon scored lower than IE 8 | May 15 09:01 |
DaemonFC | http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=1GIC | May 15 09:01 |
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schestowitz | It uses swap for some reason | May 15 09:03 |
schestowitz | I wonder if that's part of the cause | May 15 09:03 |
DaemonFC | ? | May 15 09:03 |
DaemonFC | it's also getting murdered on Sunspider | May 15 09:04 |
DaemonFC | they botched this | May 15 09:04 |
DaemonFC | oh yeah | May 15 09:05 |
DaemonFC | botched it bad | May 15 09:05 |
DaemonFC | Total: 10572.8ms +/- 0.6% | May 15 09:05 |
schestowitz | Novell all about Mono....... http://www.jprl.com/Blog/archive/development/mono/2009/May-14.html | May 15 09:06 |
schestowitz | "15.4 million homeowners now owe more on their houses than their houses are worth, up from 13.6 million four months ago." http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-everythings-going-to-zero-2-2009-5 | May 15 09:08 |
DaemonFC | yeah, the banks pump you broke, throw you out, and go victimize the next person | May 15 09:11 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 09:11 |
schestowitz | But it's comedy at the White House | May 15 09:12 |
schestowitz | What was it with her joke about hijacking planes? | May 15 09:13 |
schestowitz | Some guy says there is a need for failure | May 15 09:13 |
schestowitz | He is right. This is how recovery starts | May 15 09:13 |
schestowitz | Realisation at the least | May 15 09:13 |
DaemonFC | comparing Rush Limbaugh with the Taliban | May 15 09:13 |
schestowitz | Others say the same | May 15 09:13 |
schestowitz | Like Ron Paul even | May 15 09:13 |
DaemonFC | he is pretty much like them | May 15 09:13 |
schestowitz | Should he too be waterboarded | May 15 09:13 |
DaemonFC | I don't know how things work where you are | May 15 09:13 |
schestowitz | Even the audience found it tasteless | May 15 09:14 |
DaemonFC | but here there's a far right fascist element of Christians | May 15 09:14 |
DaemonFC | not all of them | May 15 09:14 |
DaemonFC | but there are quite a few | May 15 09:14 |
DaemonFC | and very vocal | May 15 09:14 |
DaemonFC | and they practically are the American Taliban | May 15 09:14 |
schestowitz | Sony reports $1 billion annual loss < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10240672-93.html > Same with Sun BTW | May 15 09:15 |
schestowitz | "Server Load 28.91 (4 cpus)" | May 15 09:15 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, I know | May 15 09:15 |
schestowitz | It's worse when they expand and bring it to other countries | May 15 09:15 |
schestowitz | Did you hear about the troops in Afghanistan trying to convert locals to CHristians? | May 15 09:16 |
schestowitz | Crusaders | May 15 09:16 |
DaemonFC | yeah | May 15 09:16 |
DaemonFC | I saw that | May 15 09:16 |
DaemonFC | disgusting | May 15 09:16 |
schestowitz | I think it's just "embarrassing" | May 15 09:17 |
schestowitz | LinuxCertified Announces its next Linux System and Network Administration BootCamp. http://www.linuxpr.com/releases/11382.html | May 15 09:17 |
schestowitz | Strage thing is this: | May 15 09:19 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm | May 15 09:19 |
schestowitz | Memory Used35.6 % | May 15 09:19 |
schestowitz | Swap Used25.23 % | May 15 09:19 |
DaemonFC | Seamonkey is slower than Firefox too | May 15 09:19 |
schestowitz | Why use swap if RAM is hardly used? | May 15 09:19 |
schestowitz | Maybe a bad server state requiring a reboot? | May 15 09:19 |
DaemonFC | what operating system? | May 15 09:19 |
schestowitz | Red Hat | May 15 09:19 |
schestowitz | China builds its Unix-compliant OS: http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/05/analyst-cyberwarfare-arms-race-with-china-imminent.ars | May 15 09:21 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: vm.swappiness=0 | May 15 09:21 |
DaemonFC | in /etc/sysctl.conf | May 15 09:21 |
DaemonFC | that would make it permanent | May 15 09:21 |
DaemonFC | but to have it do it just for now try | May 15 09:21 |
DaemonFC | su -c sysctl vm.swappiness=0 | May 15 09:22 |
DaemonFC | errr | May 15 09:22 |
DaemonFC | su -c 'sysctl vm.swappiness=0' | May 15 09:22 |
schestowitz | I have no such access | May 15 09:22 |
schestowitz | No hands-on | May 15 09:22 |
DaemonFC | no root access? | May 15 09:22 |
schestowitz | Katherine Noyes fixed her headline: "The Great Debate Over a Linux Standard Package Format" | May 15 09:23 |
DaemonFC | http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=1GIC | May 15 09:23 |
DaemonFC | ouch | May 15 09:23 |
schestowitz | It used to say packet format. I wrote about it in IRC | May 15 09:23 |
DaemonFC | check out SeaMonkey 1.1.16 | May 15 09:23 |
schestowitz | Server maybe rebooted? | May 15 09:25 |
schestowitz | Let's see.. | May 15 09:25 |
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schestowitz | Another ebook reader runs Linux: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/cool-er-e-book-reader-turns-up-the-heat/ | May 15 09:27 |
schestowitz | "This Account is Experiencing Technical Difficulties" | May 15 09:28 |
schestowitz | OK, they are looking at it | May 15 09:28 |
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zer0c00l | schestowitz, server down? | May 15 09:28 |
schestowitz | " | May 15 09:28 |
schestowitz | Sorry for the inconvenience, we have to find a bigger server, no ETA yet. " | May 15 09:28 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, for now | May 15 09:28 |
zer0c00l | saw some database connectivity 2 hrs ago | May 15 09:28 |
zer0c00l | now its completely down | May 15 09:28 |
schestowitz | Maybe DDOS | May 15 09:28 |
zer0c00l | oh | May 15 09:29 |
zer0c00l | who is doing that any guesses ? | May 15 09:29 |
schestowitz | No Estimated time of arrival yet | May 15 09:29 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: no idea | May 15 09:29 |
schestowitz | I don't even know if it's DDOS | May 15 09:29 |
zer0c00l | oh | May 15 09:30 |
zer0c00l | ping DaemonFC | May 15 09:31 |
zer0c00l | DaemonFC, saw your blog | May 15 09:31 |
zer0c00l | its nice | May 15 09:32 |
zer0c00l | nice posts about browsers | May 15 09:32 |
zer0c00l | will use them as references | May 15 09:32 |
DaemonFC | http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1107/87296945.png | May 15 09:35 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 15 09:35 |
schestowitz | OK, account is back up | May 15 09:38 |
schestowitz | It's not behaving right | May 15 09:39 |
schestowitz | Offline again | May 15 09:41 |
schestowitz | http://home.arcor.de/ecthelion_ii/nullmeier_en.html "Secondly, a computer programs is, as far as digital calculation is concerned, just a possible incarnation of a number of logical formulas. The patentability of logical circuits implementing such formulas is established, however. Patents claiming essentially logical formulas are thus of a limited applicability. This is not contradictory, for their malleability confers qualities to | May 15 09:41 |
schestowitz | computer programs that logical circuits lack." | May 15 09:41 |
schestowitz | Just a little more information in case it helps: | May 15 09:48 |
schestowitz | I notice that the account has been on- and off-line for some moments. In case it helps, I noticed that the swap was used (like 33% despite the fact that only about 40% of RAM was used). | May 15 09:48 |
schestowitz | I hope it's resolved soon. It's a real waste of time when it happens. | May 15 09:48 |
schestowitz | Having looked at my logs over the night, it doesn't seem as though there was any suspicious activity, but maybe there was DDOS. The account usually keeps a low load by caching. *sign*.. | May 15 09:49 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | May 15 09:54 |
DaemonFC | Firefox 3.5 crashed | May 15 09:54 |
DaemonFC | asking me to send a report | May 15 09:55 |
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schestowitz | Is the netbook fad set to fizzle? < http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2009/05/14/is-the-netbook-fad-set-to-fizzle/ > | May 15 10:03 |
DaemonFC | Netbooks are really considered to be a disposable cheap laptop | May 15 10:06 |
DaemonFC | so I think they'll have a niche if nothing else | May 15 10:06 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://bfilter.sourceforge.net/ | May 15 10:19 |
DaemonFC | what do you make of this? | May 15 10:19 |
DaemonFC | "I decided to write a proxy that would detect ads heuristically, much like modern anti-virus software manages to detect many viruses unknown to it." | May 15 10:20 |
schestowitz | Novell committed a crime... Carl Novell http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/05/man_sought_for_armed_robbery_i.html | May 15 10:22 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: what I use now already works fine | May 15 10:22 |
schestowitz | You can also have something which users can contribute to, like a blacklist with moderation | May 15 10:23 |
schestowitz | Crime over there (and everywhere) will rise | May 15 10:23 |
schestowitz | It's truly amazing that so many families are in debt even if they sell all their properly | May 15 10:23 |
schestowitz | it makes them runaways of banks | May 15 10:24 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | May 15 10:24 |
DaemonFC | definitely faster than Privoxy | May 15 10:24 |
DaemonFC | that's awesome | May 15 10:25 |
DaemonFC | a heuristic ad filter | May 15 10:26 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 10:26 |
schestowitz | Bad publicity for Novell: http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl051309mlarmed.2095eda9.html | May 15 10:26 |
schestowitz | Hopefully I'll get server information soon so we can bring it up online with less load | May 15 10:26 |
DaemonFC | god, I have so many anti-whatever utilities it's like a fortress | May 15 10:29 |
DaemonFC | it's an arms race :P | May 15 10:29 |
DaemonFC | you get an ad blocker, they make sneakier ads, you get a smarter ad blocker, they get sneakier ads that are far more annoying | May 15 10:30 |
schestowitz | Just illusion of security | May 15 10:30 |
schestowitz | More code running may actually make up more vulns | May 15 10:30 |
DaemonFC | I'm not exactly sure why there's any technical reason a virus couldn't operate on Linux or Mac much the same way | May 15 10:32 |
DaemonFC | virus scanners typically try to analyze what the program would do were it actually to run | May 15 10:34 |
DaemonFC | and make their decision on that | May 15 10:34 |
DaemonFC | the problem is that odd runtime compressions for legitimate programs tend to make them go apeshit | May 15 10:35 |
DaemonFC | a lot of them will even delete the file to stop you from running it | May 15 10:35 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 10:35 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: What's funny is that Microsoft has the highest false negative rate among them | May 15 10:36 |
DaemonFC | their Onecare product | May 15 10:36 |
DaemonFC | typically what I do if I feel I have reason to suspect a file is I scan it locally, then I upload it to virustotal or something and let a few dozen other scanners pick it apart | May 15 10:37 |
DaemonFC | if you let 50 scanners scan a legitimate file with funky runtime compression, at least 5-10 of them are going to tell you it's infected with something like "trojan.generic" | May 15 10:38 |
schestowitz | Microsoft just bought a company | May 15 10:38 |
schestowitz | For WanKer (OneCare) | May 15 10:38 |
schestowitz | Bad company it bought | May 15 10:38 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Giant Antispyware was apparently prety good before Microsoft bought them | May 15 10:39 |
DaemonFC | and turned it into Windows Defender | May 15 10:39 |
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schestowitz | Recession and Strong Yen Drive Sony to Annual Loss http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/business/global/15sony.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss | May 15 10:45 |
schestowitz | “Us Now” documentary available free online < http://www.wikinomics.com/blog/index.php/2009/05/14/us-now-documentary-available-free-online/ > | May 15 10:48 |
DaemonFC | I have slightly more contempt for Sony than I do for Microsoft | May 15 10:49 |
DaemonFC | I thought it was pretty fucking hilarious when Sony released that DRM rootkit piece of shit | May 15 10:49 |
DaemonFC | and then Microsoft had to give Windows Defender a signature to yank it back out | May 15 10:49 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 10:49 |
DaemonFC | I was thinking "Go Microsoft!" "Did I just say that?" | May 15 10:50 |
DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft-will-wipe-Sonys-rootkit/2100-1002_3-5949041.html | May 15 10:50 |
DaemonFC | B-) | May 15 10:50 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I never buy any CD that has the Sony BMG logo on it | May 15 10:55 |
DaemonFC | just becuase of that | May 15 10:55 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I also always turn off autoplay on every Windows machine I use | May 15 10:58 |
DaemonFC | that's just retarded | May 15 10:58 |
DaemonFC | DVD movies in particular like to try to run spyware | May 15 10:58 |
DaemonFC | you're begging for an infestation of some kind by leaving it on | May 15 11:00 |
schestowitz | Blind man dragged off plane in Philadelphia, accused of faking < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/13/blind-man-dragged-of.html >. What have we sunk to? | May 15 11:03 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: or just don't use Windows | May 15 11:04 |
schestowitz | Of ATMs, iPhones… and 9/11? < http://iamshane.com/2009/05/09/of-atms-iphones-and-911/ > | May 15 11:04 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: When they start using terms like "Enhanced Content" | May 15 11:04 |
DaemonFC | you know that's their code word for privacy invading shit that's worse than cancer | May 15 11:05 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 11:05 |
DaemonFC | well, it used to be much much easier for things to piggyback in, and set themselves up to where if you removed them, it would destroy your TCP/IP stack or something (WebHancer and New.Net for example) | May 15 11:06 |
DaemonFC | Windows Defender and System File Protection at least block most of that | May 15 11:07 |
schestowitz | Bono says he’ll sue France over HADOPI http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21764 | May 15 11:08 |
schestowitz | RealNetworks: MPAA Is ‘Price-Fixing Cartel’ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/realnetworks-mpaa-is-a-price-fixing-cartel/ | May 15 11:08 |
schestowitz | All from ysterday | May 15 11:08 |
schestowitz | There's lots more | May 15 11:09 |
DaemonFC | I hate U2 | May 15 11:09 |
DaemonFC | god those assholes are so phoney | May 15 11:09 |
schestowitz | Film industry turns up P2P heat on Carter http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12/film_filesharing/ | May 15 11:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090508/2306454808.shtml " | May 15 11:09 |
schestowitz | The obvious answer was posited years ago by Eric S. Raymond - given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow." | May 15 11:09 |
schestowitz | Wait, isn't this a Linus quote? | May 15 11:10 |
DaemonFC | yeah it was | May 15 11:10 |
schestowitz | Did he quote him in the book? | May 15 11:10 |
schestowitz | Sony Says It Should Have Been More Open... But It Said That In 2005 Too < http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090511/1824234837.shtml > | May 15 11:11 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.cexx.org/webhancer.htm | May 15 11:11 |
schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/951_signs.jpg | May 15 11:11 |
mib_jwghi5 | Shame your site is down | May 15 11:12 |
schestowitz | Yeah | May 15 11:12 |
schestowitz | Load issues | May 15 11:12 |
schestowitz | I hope it was just DDOS, maybe on the Wiki | May 15 11:13 |
schestowitz | In which case we won't have to move to another bigger server, which is expensive | May 15 11:13 |
mib_jwghi5 | Hope so. Sorry to hear it though. | May 15 11:13 |
DaemonFC | Ken Kutaragi was a decent guy I think, ultimately he got too loud and the board of directors forced him out | May 15 11:13 |
mib_jwghi5 | I'll lurk here for a while until the site is back up. | May 15 11:14 |
DaemonFC | I mean, Kutaragi is pretty much responsible for every success the company had | May 15 11:14 |
DaemonFC | including the Playstation | May 15 11:14 |
schestowitz | HP hit by laptop recall < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/hp_battery_recall/ > | May 15 11:14 |
DaemonFC | then they go and do that to him | May 15 11:14 |
schestowitz | mib_jwghi5: ok, hopefully it won't take long | May 15 11:14 |
DaemonFC | you almost have to feel sorry for the guy | May 15 11:14 |
schestowitz | I have posts I want to make. Quite a lot. | May 15 11:14 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: naaa.. he's got cash | May 15 11:15 |
mib_jwghi5 | Yeah I get great information from the site. Educational. | May 15 11:15 |
schestowitz | You have many other people to feel sorry for. | May 15 11:15 |
schestowitz | mib_jwghi5: thanks. | May 15 11:15 |
DaemonFC | what they need to do is apologize to him, ask him to come back, and get out of the way | May 15 11:15 |
mib_jwghi5 | well gotta run. | May 15 11:15 |
schestowitz | Last night I saw the site at 44k pages in 21 hours | May 15 11:15 |
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schestowitz | So I knew something was wrong | May 15 11:15 |
DaemonFC | well, I think Sony is a lot like Apple in this case | May 15 11:16 |
DaemonFC | where only one person can seem to make it work well :) | May 15 11:16 |
DaemonFC | you know what will happen to Apple without Steve Jobs | May 15 11:16 |
DaemonFC | OS X is a pretty decent system, owing mostly to NextStep, but I'm pretty sure they bought Next more to get Jobs back than to get Next | May 15 11:18 |
DaemonFC | lmao @ ATRAC | May 15 11:19 |
DaemonFC | like that was ever going anywhere | May 15 11:19 |
schestowitz | Is IMAX the next "New Coke"? < http://www.lfexaminer.com/20081016.htm > | May 15 11:19 |
DaemonFC | ATRAC's problem is that it's trying to compete in a market of competitors that are all free, higher quality, or both | May 15 11:20 |
DaemonFC | the market for digital audio encoding is pretty well flooded | May 15 11:21 |
DaemonFC | people using AAC and WMA are the same people that use RAR and PDF | May 15 11:22 |
DaemonFC | pisses me off to no end to find files in those formats | May 15 11:22 |
schestowitz | hehe. gotta cherish the Big Brother. Court tosses case over GPS tracking < http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=799375 > | May 15 11:23 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: what former then? | May 15 11:23 |
schestowitz | The solution is probably to share more | May 15 11:23 |
DaemonFC | I use FLAC and Vorbis for audio | May 15 11:23 |
schestowitz | Each company has its "medicine" | May 15 11:23 |
schestowitz | For which it chanrges | May 15 11:23 |
DaemonFC | they're just better regardless of licensing | May 15 11:24 |
DaemonFC | WMA sounds so distorted it's not even funny | May 15 11:24 |
schestowitz | Do we really need a cybersecurity czar? < http://threatpost.com/blogs/do-we-really-need-cybersecurity-czar > | May 15 11:24 |
DaemonFC | I don't know who thinks that sounds CD quality | May 15 11:25 |
schestowitz | czar | May 15 11:25 |
schestowitz | Sounds like fascism to me | May 15 11:25 |
DaemonFC | they must have had both eardrums blown out | May 15 11:25 |
schestowitz | I don't care much about sound quality | May 15 11:25 |
DaemonFC | heh, always remember your first MP3 :) | May 15 11:26 |
DaemonFC | (Napster...1999) :P | May 15 11:26 |
schestowitz | IEA: Little gadgets consume gigawatts of power < http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10240088-54.html > | May 15 11:26 |
schestowitz | I think we're basically screwed | May 15 11:26 |
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schestowitz | Just burning fossial fuel at huge rates, going to other countries to get what's left and killing all animals except pets and those harvested for meat and milk | May 15 11:27 |
schestowitz | *fossil | May 15 11:27 |
oiaohm | Hmm I cannot get to the boycott novel set schestowitz | May 15 11:27 |
schestowitz | The only solution is probably a much, much small colony | May 15 11:27 |
oiaohm | Message about techical problems. | May 15 11:27 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yes heavy load | May 15 11:27 |
oiaohm | set/site | May 15 11:27 |
schestowitz | We have a lot of page requests last night | May 15 11:27 |
schestowitz | Load was like average 6-100 | May 15 11:27 |
schestowitz | *60 | May 15 11:28 |
schestowitz | So maybe it was DDOS. I don't know | May 15 11:28 |
schestowitz | I last checked like 8 hours ago, but could find a pattern | May 15 11:28 |
schestowitz | I blocked some IPs that hammer heavily | May 15 11:28 |
schestowitz | Didn't help much | May 15 11:28 |
oiaohm | If its a modern day bot net hammer there will not be a pattern. | May 15 11:28 |
oiaohm | But thoses are rare. | May 15 11:29 |
schestowitz | Yes, I know | May 15 11:29 |
schestowitz | I couldn't find one page that's requested a lot | May 15 11:29 |
schestowitz | I couldn't find evidence of a referrer | May 15 11:29 |
schestowitz | Like Digg or anything | May 15 11:29 |
oiaohm | That does not even sound right. | May 15 11:29 |
schestowitz | So there was a very high page requests count, but nothing I could see which explains it | May 15 11:30 |
oiaohm | Normally entry zone of site has the highest hit. | May 15 11:30 |
oiaohm | like www.boycottnovell.com or digg pointed location. | May 15 11:30 |
oiaohm | I guess its even not short listing to 10 pages schestowitz | May 15 11:31 |
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Omar87 | Hello everyone. | May 15 11:31 |
DaemonFC | it's Microsoft with 100 billion Windows devices | May 15 11:31 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 11:32 |
Omar87 | Is it just me? Or is BN down at the moment? | May 15 11:32 |
DaemonFC | yep | May 15 11:32 |
DaemonFC | it's down | May 15 11:32 |
oiaohm | Reason why I say 10 schestowitz is that you have a lot of links listed on like linux today and the like at moment. | May 15 11:32 |
Omar87 | It's down, huh? | May 15 11:32 |
schestowitz | I have reasons for suspicion it was DDOS on the Wiki | May 15 11:33 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: I couldn't find such connection to referrers | May 15 11:33 |
schestowitz | Omar87: yes | May 15 11:33 |
schestowitz | Maybe for a while. | May 15 11:33 |
oiaohm | So from what you are describing is more and more sounding like a modern day bot net attack. | May 15 11:34 |
oiaohm | One thing that is a key signature is lack of travel by attackers. | May 15 11:35 |
schestowitz | I have no other explanation | May 15 11:35 |
oiaohm | Ie they go to pages with no way to know they are there in advance. | May 15 11:35 |
schestowitz | I wait for the diagnosis | May 15 11:36 |
oiaohm | Sometimes you can see 1 page access then all its linked access by a stack of different machines. | May 15 11:36 |
oiaohm | That would be confirmed signature of a bot net. | May 15 11:37 |
oiaohm | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/120387/ << I agree with the idea there will not exactly be a year of the Linux Desktop. | May 15 11:37 |
schestowitz | Developer Population Affected By Economy < http://www.informationweek.com/news/global-cio/trends/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217300236 > developer population to decline 35%? | May 15 11:38 |
DaemonFC | oh heh | May 15 11:38 |
DaemonFC | my probation ended 3 days ago and I didn't even think about that | May 15 11:38 |
schestowitz | Not good, eh? | May 15 11:38 |
schestowitz | Probation? | May 15 11:39 |
DaemonFC | yeah, long story | May 15 11:39 |
DaemonFC | but I'm going to the bar when I get that huge check | May 15 11:39 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 11:39 |
DaemonFC | it's been a year | May 15 11:39 |
DaemonFC | yeah for the last year I couldn't leave the state or drink anything alcoholic | May 15 11:40 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 11:40 |
DaemonFC | technically | May 15 11:41 |
DaemonFC | it was unsupervised which basically means you're in trouble if they catch you doing something else | May 15 11:41 |
DaemonFC | but it also meant they could come into my house without a warrant | May 15 11:42 |
DaemonFC | and if I didn't let them in I could go to jail | May 15 11:42 |
schestowitz | Vancouver set to back open source: http://www.straight.com/article-220944/city-vancouver-set-back-open-source-open-standards-open-data | May 15 11:43 |
schestowitz | Good stuff: http://slashdot.org/submission/1001243/Vancouver-Opens-up-data-and-adopts-Open-Source http://eaves.ca/2009/05/14/vancouver-enters-the-age-of-the-open-city/ | May 15 11:44 |
schestowitz | Borderline FOSS FUD... http://www.industryweek.com/articles/ensuring_ip_cleanliness_--_a_necessity_for_all_software_intensive_products_19132.aspx?SectionID=2 | May 15 11:47 |
schestowitz | "One such case was Cisco, who acquired Linksys in good faith and proceeded to distribute their products. Alas, Linksys had used a chip from a supplier who had used some outsource contractors to develop associated software. These sub-sub-contractors had used a piece of open source software that had a GPL license, which obliges the user to make whatever derivative software available as an open source item under that same GPL license." | May 15 11:47 |
schestowitz | Why did the SFLC drop the suit? | May 15 11:47 |
oiaohm | Because Cisco come into alignment. | May 15 11:51 |
oiaohm | SFLC only sues companies over source code breaches where they don't provide the source code also with a requirement to audit for any more errors and release what is found. | May 15 11:53 |
oiaohm | Basically SFLC does not go out to do harm only to make sure the rules are obeyed. | May 15 11:54 |
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oiaohm | Also pushing threw to court when they have come into alighnment is risky. Nothing in GPL licence says when the source code has to be released compared to the binaries. | May 15 11:55 |
oiaohm | Only that it has to be released when requested. | May 15 11:55 |
oiaohm | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Google-vs-Gumblar-Search-Engine-Abused-in-New-Round-of-Stealthy-Attacks-664608/ Interesting. | May 15 12:00 |
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schestowitz | In hindsight, and after consultation with you, it seems possible that there was a DDOS on the Wiki. I'm not sure... | May 15 12:01 |
oiaohm | Its extreamly hard to prove schestowitz. | May 15 12:03 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: any relation to the Google-AT&T situation? I haven't looked yet | May 15 12:03 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: let's wait and find out | May 15 12:03 |
oiaohm | Gumblar is a worm virus that goes out of its way to get the machine even more infected. | May 15 12:04 |
schestowitz | "So far, the malware has been targeting Internet Explorer. As a result of the hackers' tactics, the gumblar.cn compromises are increasing—up 188 percent from the week of May 4 and 61 percent from May 13, according to ScanSafe. " | May 15 12:04 |
schestowitz | Something different altogether then | May 15 12:04 |
DaemonFC | http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/1769/software-piracy-on-the-rise/ | May 15 12:04 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 15 12:04 |
schestowitz | It's wrong | May 15 12:04 |
schestowitz | it's declining some day | May 15 12:04 |
schestowitz | *say | May 15 12:04 |
schestowitz | Just propaganda | May 15 12:04 |
DaemonFC | I like the "We lost a hundred bazillion dollars" part | May 15 12:06 |
DaemonFC | like they had actually lost anything | May 15 12:06 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 12:06 |
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oiaohm | Media is reporting on bot net builter actions but they are not calling it that schestowitz. | May 15 12:08 |
oiaohm | Its interesting that this kind of activity is starting to get any media coverage. | May 15 12:09 |
schestowitz | new Elive is released: http://www.elivecd.org/Main/News/elive-development-1.9.27-compiz-compiz-released | May 15 12:10 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: any links? | May 15 12:10 |
schestowitz | If other sites suffer from issues, then it might help diagnosis | May 15 12:10 |
schestowitz | Like the time phpbb got massively exploited. | May 15 12:11 |
tacone | schestowitz: saw my post ? | May 15 12:11 |
tacone | uh, boycottnovell down | May 15 12:12 |
tacone | "Sorry for the inconvenience, we have to find a bigger server, no ETA yet. " | May 15 12:12 |
oiaohm | Current round of bot/builder attacks are not reallly against any particular engine schestowitz. They even have different signatures. Most key thing is to make sure your site has not got infected like Gumblar.cn and targeted that way. | May 15 12:12 |
oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_910_alpha1&num=1 Expect to see more and more distributions faster than the last. | May 15 12:13 |
schestowitz | I see now... | May 15 12:15 |
schestowitz | So you're suggesting that maybe not page-serving was the cause for load. But I doubt it as the host would see such a thing | May 15 12:15 |
oiaohm | Gumbar.cn case they are getting attacks uploaded into there site then google posting to direct users there. | May 15 12:16 |
oiaohm | Its just one of the more evil things that can happen to a site. | May 15 12:17 |
schestowitz | Yes, but it's a password/FTP issue, from what I gathered quickly | May 15 12:17 |
schestowitz | Maybe I'll go for a few hours and come back later | May 15 12:17 |
oiaohm | Simpler plan could be attempted agianst a wiki. | May 15 12:17 |
oiaohm | Attackers are creative schestowitz | May 15 12:18 |
schestowitz | I see what you mean. | May 15 12:19 |
schestowitz | I just think there was high Wiki activity | May 15 12:19 |
schestowitz | I only guess based on what I saw in AWstats | May 15 12:19 |
schestowitz | Mant page requests to the Wiki index.php | May 15 12:19 |
schestowitz | *Many | May 15 12:19 |
schestowitz | If that's the case, then I can isolate it and bring the site back while analysing, but that assumes something which isn't just DDOS | May 15 12:20 |
oiaohm | Problem with these things you cannot assume very much. | May 15 12:21 |
oiaohm | You have to check and rule out everything. | May 15 12:21 |
oiaohm | DDOS and being used to build a bot net have basically the same effect on load. | May 15 12:22 |
DaemonFC | hmm, that's what we need | May 15 12:22 |
DaemonFC | President Jesse Ventura | May 15 12:22 |
DaemonFC | and Vice President Ron Paul | May 15 12:22 |
DaemonFC | B-) | May 15 12:22 |
schestowitz | bbl | May 15 12:23 |
oiaohm | Some days I wish there was a magically bow that I could fire a arrow to kill the person attacking the server. | May 15 12:25 |
schestowitz | The US admin wants to bomb them | May 15 12:25 |
schestowitz | In case they can't figure out anything else to do | May 15 12:25 |
schestowitz | Cut the throat rather than the Internet wires | May 15 12:26 |
schestowitz | Oh, how wired we've all become :-) | May 15 12:26 |
DaemonFC | just shank them | May 15 12:26 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 12:26 |
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schestowitz | bbl | May 15 12:31 |
DaemonFC | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337848,00.html | May 15 12:33 |
DaemonFC | Electronic Gadgets Often Full of Computer Viruses | May 15 12:33 |
oiaohm | Fun would be move there home into the middle of Metal Storm ADWS (Area Denial Weapons System). There is a safe path out but you don't tell them. Make very wrong reality TV. | May 15 12:34 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 15 12:40 |
DaemonFC | the Chernobyl virus | May 15 12:40 |
DaemonFC | I actually almost installed that one | May 15 12:40 |
DaemonFC | my antivirus caught it though | May 15 12:40 |
DaemonFC | EB Games had a game demo disc that was infected | May 15 12:41 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 15 12:50 |
DaemonFC | someone was remarking about why there had never been any Mac boot sector viruses | May 15 12:50 |
oiaohm | There has been. | May 15 12:50 |
oiaohm | Just extreamly rare. | May 15 12:50 |
DaemonFC | how would there be when they've gone through 3 different CPU architectures, two different OS codebases not counting the port t oX86 | May 15 12:51 |
DaemonFC | and the fact that the Intel Macs don't use a BIOS | May 15 12:51 |
DaemonFC | it's hard enough for legitimate software to keep up with a Mac | May 15 12:51 |
oiaohm | Hardware changes killed them out. | May 15 12:51 |
DaemonFC | this Windows XP Mode in Windows 7 promises to be the next Classic-style ghetto | May 15 12:52 |
DaemonFC | like Mac Classic applications on OS X | May 15 12:52 |
oiaohm | Windows XP mode opens up something. | May 15 12:52 |
DaemonFC | well, the virus would still be contained in the virtual machine right? | May 15 12:53 |
DaemonFC | that's something at least | May 15 12:53 |
DaemonFC | what I want to know is what exactly have they changed in Windows 7 that makes it less XP compatible | May 15 12:53 |
DaemonFC | cause everything I've tried works OK | May 15 12:53 |
oiaohm | phoenix bios is looking at Linux in bios loading windows up. | May 15 12:54 |
oiaohm | Using the hypervisor cpu bits to allow switching between them. | May 15 12:54 |
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DaemonFC | yeah, thats called DRM | May 15 12:54 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 12:54 |
oiaohm | MS has opened up the door for BIOS makers to go head to head with them. | May 15 12:55 |
DaemonFC | no, what I think will happen eventually is OS-independent DRM | May 15 12:55 |
DaemonFC | they won't have to DRM any particular operating system | May 15 12:55 |
DaemonFC | cause the DRM will all be built in to the system firmware | May 15 12:55 |
oiaohm | How can you have DRM in windows when you have bios running Linux in background behind windows. | May 15 12:56 |
DaemonFC | if the EFI controls what the OS can do | May 15 12:56 |
DaemonFC | then it can implement DRM in Linux | May 15 12:56 |
DaemonFC | or any operating system | May 15 12:56 |
DaemonFC | because it's really running on the DRM hypervisor | May 15 12:56 |
oiaohm | Where Linux is the hypervisor. | May 15 12:56 |
DaemonFC | sure, why not? | May 15 12:56 |
oiaohm | Basically MS will end up techicnally stuffed. | May 15 12:57 |
DaemonFC | I doubt Microsoft will let them | May 15 12:57 |
oiaohm | No control from hardware to user. | May 15 12:57 |
oiaohm | To late DaemonFC | May 15 12:57 |
DaemonFC | lest we forget you're talking about big companies that like DRM | May 15 12:57 |
DaemonFC | but don't like other companies | May 15 12:57 |
DaemonFC | who also like DRM | May 15 12:58 |
oiaohm | Do you think bios makers will be anti DRM. | May 15 12:58 |
DaemonFC | either way you're getting DRM | May 15 12:58 |
oiaohm | They could be anti MS DRM. | May 15 12:58 |
DaemonFC | I doubt it | May 15 12:58 |
DaemonFC | if anything Microsoft will be paying them to do it | May 15 12:58 |
DaemonFC | and helping them implement it | May 15 12:58 |
oiaohm | Paying them to put Linux in bios. | May 15 12:58 |
DaemonFC | and it won't be Linux | May 15 12:59 |
oiaohm | I think not. | May 15 12:59 |
oiaohm | phonix and other bios makers have stated it will be the case. | May 15 12:59 |
oiaohm | Major reason they fear something. | May 15 12:59 |
oiaohm | If you flash a bios with crap motherboards don't work. | May 15 13:00 |
oiaohm | So they need a secure OS to flash the bios with. | May 15 13:00 |
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oiaohm | Think of the night mares if current day windows base bios flashing software got high jacked. | May 15 13:01 |
oiaohm | MS does not want to be pulled into a battle on motherboard. | May 15 13:01 |
DaemonFC | I really don't like flashing a BIOS in Windows | May 15 13:04 |
oiaohm | Neither to bios makers like you doing it. | May 15 13:04 |
oiaohm | to/do | May 15 13:04 |
oiaohm | MS has opened a pandoras box with the XP mode in Windows 7. It uses the same features to virtualise any OS. | May 15 13:06 |
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oiaohm | http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22643/ << Articual about what phoinix bios makers are upto. | May 15 13:08 |
oiaohm | Splashtop has also had the means to do this for a while just not much supporting hardware. | May 15 13:09 |
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oiaohm | http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22643/ << Articual about what phoinix bios makers are upto. DaemonFC | May 15 14:01 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if VLC is forced to respect Mackeral Vision on DVDs | May 15 14:12 |
DaemonFC | in Vista | May 15 14:12 |
oiaohm | Normal dvds no. | May 15 14:13 |
oiaohm | blueray and hd vlc does not play yet. | May 15 14:13 |
DaemonFC | VLC actually makes a better DVD player than most software you can pay for | May 15 14:13 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 14:13 |
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schestowitz | Fujitsu Services shuts final salary pension scheme < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/fujitsu_pension_row/ > | May 15 15:02 |
schestowitz | Let's look at some Microsoft news | May 15 15:08 |
schestowitz | Vista is totally off the hedlines now | May 15 15:14 |
schestowitz | They bury it | May 15 15:14 |
schestowitz | 5 headlines or so in 2 weeks of news | May 15 15:14 |
schestowitz | Windows 7: 56 matches | May 15 15:15 |
DaemonFC | yeah, Vista is something Microsoft totally wants to wash their hands of | May 15 15:19 |
DaemonFC | do you blame them? | May 15 15:19 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 15:19 |
schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=software_development&articleId=9132738&taxonomyId=63&intsrc=kc_top That's release candidate by Microsoft's standards | May 15 15:19 |
schestowitz | No support for many more years, either (for Vista) | May 15 15:19 |
schestowitz | I wish I had access to the site to write about it | May 15 15:19 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Why do you think they're sitting on SP2 | May 15 15:20 |
schestowitz | tacone has just made Slashdot's FP too | May 15 15:20 |
DaemonFC | and not releasing it yet | May 15 15:20 |
schestowitz | Oh, I see... | May 15 15:20 |
DaemonFC | cause they don't want to stir up talk of Vista | May 15 15:20 |
DaemonFC | if they release SP2 now, people try it and maybe it fixes what was pissing them off | May 15 15:20 |
DaemonFC | why do that when Windows 7 will be out in August or so? | May 15 15:21 |
DaemonFC | think about it, if they release Windows 7 and Vista SP2 at the same time or round about, Windows 7 will drown it out | May 15 15:22 |
schestowitz | I see. | May 15 15:22 |
DaemonFC | I have the final build of Vista SP2 already | May 15 15:22 |
schestowitz | Well, almost ten times as many headlines are about Vista7 | May 15 15:22 |
schestowitz | Their PR agents make it this wat | May 15 15:22 |
DaemonFC | they already released it on Microsoft Connect and Technet | May 15 15:22 |
schestowitz | I've seen over time how they 'drive' journalists | May 15 15:23 |
schestowitz | They also mock or punish critics | May 15 15:23 |
DaemonFC | so their "important" customers already have accounts there | May 15 15:23 |
DaemonFC | and can grab it | May 15 15:23 |
schestowitz | So we NEED real USERs of Vista7 with no super-duper h/w to BLOG about it | May 15 15:23 |
DaemonFC | yes, Mary Jo Foley wrote an article about the thousands of bugs they released Windows 2000 with | May 15 15:23 |
DaemonFC | and they put her on a blacklist for it | May 15 15:24 |
DaemonFC | well, after the 4 service packs and the final "update rollup", Windows 2000 was/is pretty solid | May 15 15:24 |
DaemonFC | but by the time Microsoft fixes it, it's about to be unsupported | May 15 15:25 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 15:25 |
DaemonFC | that's why businesses still run a mix of Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000 and Windows XP | May 15 15:25 |
schestowitz | FUDzilla spreads crappy headlines: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13570&Itemid=1 Microsoft goes open source | May 15 15:25 |
schestowitz | Very deceiving | May 15 15:25 |
schestowitz | All proprietary, relying on freebie | May 15 15:25 |
schestowitz | no GPL | May 15 15:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Dayton library branches all still use Windows NT 4.0 | May 15 15:26 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | May 15 15:26 |
DaemonFC | despite the fact that there are known unpatched vulnerabilities that MS has stated they won't ever patch | May 15 15:26 |
DaemonFC | public terminals use this shit | May 15 15:26 |
DaemonFC | hundreds of them | May 15 15:26 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 15:26 |
DaemonFC | You'd think if they were having their budget cut so bad as to rely on an operating system from 1996, they'd go ahead and roll out Linux | May 15 15:27 |
DaemonFC | sadly this is a combination of ignorance, of "1,000 systems work, don't touch them", and bad funding | May 15 15:28 |
DaemonFC | NT 4 was a damned nightmare to administer | May 15 15:29 |
DaemonFC | there was no standard driver model for Windows until Windows 2000 | May 15 15:29 |
DaemonFC | so precisely what a driver was, could do, and should do were up for grabs | May 15 15:30 |
schestowitz | Is the Microsoft Zune Phone Coming this June? http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2009/05/14/is-the-microsoft-zune-phone-coming-this-june.html | May 15 15:30 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you see the Slashdot article? | May 15 15:30 |
schestowitz | It's related to what you talk about | May 15 15:30 |
DaemonFC | of? | May 15 15:30 |
schestowitz | They try to move from old Windows to Linux | May 15 15:30 |
schestowitz | Wait. | May 15 15:30 |
schestowitz | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/15/1229231&art_pos=1 | May 15 15:30 |
DaemonFC | from old Windows to Linux should be relatively easy | May 15 15:31 |
schestowitz | I suppose you saw Stefano here last night talking about this. | May 15 15:31 |
DaemonFC | if the systems are that old then Linux should already support all the hardware | May 15 15:31 |
DaemonFC | no | May 15 15:31 |
schestowitz | Microsoft rules out Zunephone http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13474&Itemid=1 | May 15 15:32 |
DaemonFC | Chris Pirillo mentioned it last year, saying he was still seeing hits from people using Windows 98 | May 15 15:32 |
schestowitz | Then again, MS are liars | May 15 15:32 |
schestowitz | They denies repeatedly when people claimed they have eviedence | May 15 15:32 |
DaemonFC | something like "What the hell is wrong with you people? Use Linux or something! Sheesh!" | May 15 15:32 |
schestowitz | Maybe they'll then say "it's not Zune phone" | May 15 15:32 |
schestowitz | It's the Microfon" | May 15 15:32 |
schestowitz | So technically we didn't lie | May 15 15:32 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah, Win98 is bad | May 15 15:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft artificially denies you their latest software when they cut off the version of Windows you use | May 15 15:33 |
schestowitz | I saw a Windows 2000 machine yesterday | May 15 15:33 |
schestowitz | Colleague | May 15 15:33 |
schestowitz | Geez! So ugly | May 15 15:33 |
schestowitz | How do people live with that ugly WIndows GUI? | May 15 15:33 |
DaemonFC | it will still run but they artificially introduce checks for your version of Windows | May 15 15:33 |
schestowitz | It's discouraging work | May 15 15:33 |
schestowitz | And Outlook is a buggy POS for her too | May 15 15:33 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: wait | May 15 15:33 |
schestowitz | News here.. | May 15 15:33 |
DaemonFC | well, XP and Windows 2003 support styles | May 15 15:33 |
schestowitz | Rumor: Microsoft Can Kill Xbox 360s Remotely http://technologizer.com/2009/05/14/rumor-microsoft-can-kill-xbox-360s-remotely/ | May 15 15:34 |
DaemonFC | and Vista isn't ugly | May 15 15:34 |
schestowitz | Nope | May 15 15:34 |
DaemonFC | Windows 2008 can also use Vista styles | May 15 15:34 |
schestowitz | Vista has better window decorations | May 15 15:34 |
DaemonFC | even though it's butt ugly by default | May 15 15:34 |
schestowitz | The UI elements are still ugly | May 15 15:34 |
schestowitz | I like Qt better | May 15 15:34 |
schestowitz | Qt has been beautiful since I started using it daily in KDE 3.1 | May 15 15:35 |
DaemonFC | yeah, MS can ban your console from XBOX Live | May 15 15:35 |
schestowitz | KDE2 was more like Windows | May 15 15:35 |
DaemonFC | usually for console modding | May 15 15:35 |
schestowitz | :-) | May 15 15:35 |
DaemonFC | rarely for cheating | May 15 15:35 |
schestowitz | Buy kill switch?> | May 15 15:35 |
schestowitz | Bricj? | May 15 15:35 |
schestowitz | Not ban from XBox Live. | May 15 15:35 |
DaemonFC | almost never if there's a sex pervert or a small child cursing at everyone | May 15 15:35 |
DaemonFC | if they're making money off you then you can do anything but hack the software or hardware | May 15 15:36 |
DaemonFC | XBOX live is a fucking three ring circus | May 15 15:37 |
DaemonFC | pardon my french | May 15 15:37 |
schestowitz | @officethemovie is a Microsoft AstroTurfer in Twitter: http://www.crn.com/software/217400384;jsessionid=GSGAPL3CJDNNAQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVN | May 15 15:38 |
DaemonFC | they hype it up to be fun, but it isn't really, you always end up playing team games with minors who are violating the Terms of Service by being there | May 15 15:38 |
DaemonFC | who scream into the microphone and team kill | May 15 15:38 |
DaemonFC | I called XBOX Live support and complained about it once | May 15 15:38 |
DaemonFC | the rep blew me off and said "There's nothing we can do, their parents are paying for it" | May 15 15:39 |
DaemonFC | around my 6th malfunctioning XBOX 360 | May 15 15:39 |
DaemonFC | I decided to jsut give up | May 15 15:39 |
DaemonFC | their online service is expensive bullshit | May 15 15:40 |
DaemonFC | their games are $60 each jsut to find out the other half is for sale on Live | May 15 15:40 |
DaemonFC | and the hardware is faulty | May 15 15:40 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft did for gaming what they did for PCs, take a market with thriving and diverse and reasonably priced competition | May 15 15:41 |
DaemonFC | and turned it into the same old cookie cutter crap for twice as much as you were paying before | May 15 15:41 |
DaemonFC | actually | May 15 15:42 |
DaemonFC | it wasn't all Microsoft | May 15 15:42 |
DaemonFC | it was Sony too | May 15 15:42 |
DaemonFC | Sega was really the last company that made game after game I wanted to play | May 15 15:43 |
DaemonFC | PS3 and XBOX 360 are like "Do you still shoot things? Do things still shoot at you? Are textures the only thing that have changed? k." | May 15 15:44 |
schestowitz | CNBC: "I know everyone is getting all hot and bothered about Microsoft's $3.75 billion debt deal, speculating it is a forerunner to a coming acquisition by the software giant. But based on what I'm hearing, investors bracing for a big deal in the near term ..." | May 15 15:45 |
schestowitz | 6 broken ones, eh? | May 15 15:45 |
schestowitz | Do you know how much MS lost on XBox? | May 15 15:45 |
schestowitz | Their strategy director has just quit. | May 15 15:46 |
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DaemonFC | hmmm | May 15 15:47 |
DaemonFC | yeah, this is the last console they sell me | May 15 15:47 |
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DaemonFC | there is a serious brain drain going on with these games | May 15 15:47 |
DaemonFC | the kind of people that can build a great game engine are not the people that should be designing the game | May 15 15:48 |
DaemonFC | usually | May 15 15:48 |
DaemonFC | their strategy director quit? heh | May 15 15:49 |
DaemonFC | Oh, then when I cancelled XBOX Live, they kept billing me | May 15 15:49 |
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DaemonFC | eventually I posted some stuff on their forum about it | May 15 15:50 |
DaemonFC | they deleted it | May 15 15:50 |
DaemonFC | so I posted some stuff about it in other places | May 15 15:50 |
DaemonFC | then I got their director of XBOX Live services emailing me offering me a refund and another year on Live | May 15 15:50 |
DaemonFC | I told him the refund would suffice, and that their customer care was seriously broken if one of the minions below him couldn't handle a simple refund | May 15 15:51 |
schestowitz | I saw another delition | May 15 15:53 |
schestowitz | Someone mailed me about it | May 15 15:53 |
schestowitz | I might post about it later | May 15 15:54 |
he he, in a year you will want to quit Xbox live and will have the same problem, FC. | May 15 15:54 | |
broken by design - they need revenues. It kind of reminds me of Worldcom and other frauds. Customers slammed by the implosion. | May 15 15:55 | |
schestowitz | The pres is not quiet on MS/Yahoo | May 15 15:56 |
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schestowitz | Maybe it'll pass | May 15 15:56 |
M$. This too will pass. | May 15 15:56 | |
flush twice. | May 15 15:56 | |
:) | May 15 15:56 | |
Gotta run to work. Keep an eye on things while I'm gone. | May 15 15:57 | |
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schestowitz | Another dead Microsoft product: paidContent.org - Microsoft Decides It Has No Answer For The Answers Market < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/11/AR2009051102957.html > | May 15 15:58 |
schestowitz | MSN QnA Beta Is Closing On May 21st http://www.liveside.net/main/archive/2009/05/11/msn-qna-beta-is-closing-on-may-21st.aspx | May 15 16:00 |
schestowitz | Not many news announcement from Microsoft. Just one cancellation after another | May 15 16:00 |
DaemonFC | yeah, cutting off the dead branches to give the nutrients to the ones they think may recover | May 15 16:01 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 16:01 |
schestowitz | What a stupid deceiving headline: Leaked Microsoft Document Reveals Secret Strategy To Kill Apple iPhone < http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-shooting-back-at-apple-with-multi-touch-phones-2009-5 > | May 15 16:02 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: exactly | May 15 16:02 |
schestowitz | They wanted to expand | May 15 16:02 |
schestowitz | They wanted XBox | May 15 16:02 |
schestowitz | Cost them 7 billiob | May 15 16:02 |
schestowitz | And still losing money | May 15 16:03 |
schestowitz | Tech Rumor: Apple in Talks to Buy Twitter for $700 Million < http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,518969,00.html > makes no sense. | May 15 16:05 |
schestowitz | Requiring a “kill switch” in Windows that would disable IE: http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4769 | May 15 16:09 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: you can "uninstall IE" in Windows 7 | May 15 16:11 |
DaemonFC | it does delete iexplore.exe | May 15 16:11 |
schestowitz | See the post | May 15 16:12 |
schestowitz | it's about antitrust | May 15 16:12 |
DaemonFC | yeah | May 15 16:13 |
DaemonFC | well, it improves on Vista in that way then | May 15 16:13 |
DaemonFC | cause without iexplore.exe, nothing can ignore your preferred browser and load IE instead | May 15 16:13 |
DaemonFC | Internet Explorer has always been a terrible browser | May 15 16:15 |
DaemonFC | the only reason anyone uses it is because it's there and they are ignorant | May 15 16:15 |
DaemonFC | most ISPs give you a "setup CD" that has some kind of goofy browser of theirs that really wraps IE | May 15 16:16 |
schestowitz | Ballmer: 'The world borrowed too much money' < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10235112-56.html > | May 15 16:17 |
DaemonFC | when I had DSL in 2007 the phone company gave me a setup CD that tried to setup their wrapper browser for IE | May 15 16:17 |
DaemonFC | AND | May 15 16:17 |
schestowitz | Says the man who is now BORROWING MONEY | May 15 16:17 |
DaemonFC | The Microsoft Java VM | May 15 16:17 |
schestowitz | Son of bankers | May 15 16:17 |
schestowitz | MS Java | May 15 16:18 |
schestowitz | What about MSODF? | May 15 16:18 |
schestowitz | Wait, that's already included in SP2 | May 15 16:18 |
schestowitz | To fragment things | May 15 16:18 |
DaemonFC | "The challenge, Ballmer said later in his chat, is that software doesn't wear out, meaning companies have to do something new and different to get people to upgrade." | May 15 16:19 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 15 16:19 |
DaemonFC | cut off support for it and force all your partners to make all their stuff not work on that version | May 15 16:20 |
DaemonFC | problem solved | May 15 16:20 |
schestowitz | Can Microsoft stop IE's market share slide? < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10239579-16.html > | May 15 16:22 |
DaemonFC | Internet Explorer is slow and it's not extensible | May 15 16:23 |
DaemonFC | the user will notice that | May 15 16:24 |
DaemonFC | they won't notice the perversions of web standards or the total implementation gaps | May 15 16:24 |
DaemonFC | they'll notice that it sucks because it's hard not to notice | May 15 16:24 |
DaemonFC | IE is slow, not extensible, has major implementation gaps, and gobbles memory like there's not tomorrow | May 15 16:25 |
DaemonFC | *no | May 15 16:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: What we can hope for is that Chrome and Opera and others pick up too | May 15 16:27 |
DaemonFC | having one dominate web browser is not a good thing no matter who controls it | May 15 16:27 |
DaemonFC | Netscape had a 90% market share at one point and practically wrote its own standards | May 15 16:28 |
DaemonFC | anyone with that much weight to throw around will abuse it | May 15 16:28 |
DaemonFC | another thing.... | May 15 16:29 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz | May 15 16:29 |
DaemonFC | Why is Netscape gaining users? | May 15 16:29 |
schestowitz | http://gigaom.com/2009/05/08/did-microsoft-buy-seeqpod/ "Long plagued by legal challenges from major record labels, bankrupt MP3 search engine SeeqPod has been on the brink of extinction for months." | May 15 16:29 |
DaemonFC | they EOL'd all their browsers in March of last year | May 15 16:29 |
schestowitz | Some people fake Netscape | May 15 16:29 |
schestowitz | To get inside old stupid Web sites | May 15 16:29 |
DaemonFC | oh | May 15 16:29 |
schestowitz | I worked for Netscape.com | May 15 16:30 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 15 16:30 |
DaemonFC | I used to call them Nutscrape | May 15 16:30 |
DaemonFC | after version 3, they just couldn't do anything right | May 15 16:31 |
DaemonFC | and that was made much worse when AOL took them over | May 15 16:31 |
DaemonFC | I don't think I'l ever forget banging my head on the keyboard | May 15 16:31 |
balzac | I just got ear-assaulted by the Webex advertisement again on shoutcast (sky fm) | May 15 16:32 |
DaemonFC | "Starting Java............" | May 15 16:32 |
DaemonFC | 20 minutes later | May 15 16:32 |
DaemonFC | Is it done yet? Where am I? | May 15 16:32 |
DaemonFC | I'd place Netscape 4 and 6 as the worst and second worst browsers ever | May 15 16:33 |
balzac | Roy, I'd appreciate it if you'd write a little something ripping on Webex and their run of the mill software and high sampling volume of their internet radio ads. | May 15 16:33 |
DaemonFC | http://mashable.com/2009/05/13/rip-internet-explorer/ | May 15 16:35 |
schestowitz | I don't know much about it | May 15 16:35 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | May 15 16:36 |
DaemonFC | yeah, the only pattern is a slow and steady decline | May 15 16:37 |
DaemonFC | with no major time period where it's changed drastically | May 15 16:37 |
DaemonFC | that's probably why Microsoft is trying to trojan IE 8 in and take over your computer with Windows Updates | May 15 16:38 |
DaemonFC | carpet bombing out of sheer desperation | May 15 16:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/11/BU7C17IF0R.DTL&type=business (GM says 2 top execs have dumped their stock) | May 15 16:39 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is on a campaign to use antitrust against Google: Google: A 'natural monopoly'? < http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/07/technology/yang_google.fortune/?postversion=2009050710 > | May 15 16:40 |
schestowitz | loads of daemonisation and stuff | May 15 16:40 |
schestowitz | MS press usually | May 15 16:40 |
balzac | I'm not ready to turn on Google until Microsoft has lost its grip on the user desktop | May 15 16:42 |
balzac | After that, my company, Disruptech, will begin taking Google's market share away... =] | May 15 16:43 |
DaemonFC | They're a monopoly and a threat to our monopoly! | May 15 16:46 |
DaemonFC | oh noez! | May 15 16:46 |
schestowitz | Monopoly excahnged for another is not good | May 15 16:48 |
schestowitz | Like Apple | May 15 16:48 |
schestowitz | And Apple is no friend of Linux | May 15 16:48 |
schestowitz | For many reasons | May 15 16:48 |
Eruaran | Microsoft has tried to argue to the EC that bundling other browsers with Windows will give Google an unfair advantage with can be abused | May 15 16:49 |
Eruaran | Funny... Hasn't Microsoft spent gazillions and fought for years arguing that tying their own browser into the OS DOESN'T give them an unfair advantage with they abuse ? | May 15 16:50 |
schestowitz | Layoffs hit Microsoft security unit < http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=3329 > | May 15 16:50 |
schestowitz | They were not doing a good jon anyway | May 15 16:51 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, they are trying to deflect now | May 15 16:51 |
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schestowitz | Journal's Wilke Dies of Cancer at 54 < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124138481469681167.html > | May 15 16:55 |
zer0c00l | DaemonFC, konqueror doesnt have support for https pages? | May 15 17:03 |
zer0c00l | its not loading when tried through a proxy | May 15 17:04 |
zer0c00l | http is working fine | May 15 17:04 |
schestowitz | It does have its limitations | May 15 17:04 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror supports https | May 15 17:04 |
zer0c00l | DaemonFC, but not through proxies | May 15 17:05 |
zer0c00l | i browsed gmail when i was home | May 15 17:05 |
DaemonFC | oh? | May 15 17:05 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | May 15 17:05 |
zer0c00l | seems like a bug | May 15 17:05 |
zer0c00l | but they do have option for https proxy, when i feed in my proxy it doesnt work | May 15 17:05 |
zer0c00l | i found this http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=121967258527984&w=2 | May 15 17:06 |
zer0c00l | some one has said "I can confirm that this issue has thankfully disappeared from 4.1.1 builds." | May 15 17:07 |
zer0c00l | but i am using 4.2.3 | May 15 17:07 |
zer0c00l | but i am using 4.2.2 | May 15 17:07 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Says No Way: To Google’s Browser in Windows http://chattahbox.com/technology/2009/05/08/microsoft-says-no-way-to-googles-browser-in-windows/ | May 15 17:30 |
DaemonFC | yeah, cause it gives Internet Explorer 8 a good old fashioned beat down | May 15 17:42 |
DaemonFC | I think I covered that :) | May 15 17:42 |
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DaemonFC | it also is an order of magnitude faster than Firefox or Opera | May 15 17:42 |
DaemonFC | but there really is no comparing it with IE :P | May 15 17:42 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Apparently all browsers are getting a speed boost in Windows 7? | May 15 17:44 |
DaemonFC | oh, read it wrong | May 15 17:44 |
DaemonFC | http://www.betanews.com/article/Windows-7-gives-Firefox-3-IE8-speed-boosts-while-Firefox-35-slows-down/1242163110 | May 15 17:44 |
DaemonFC | still, weird | May 15 17:45 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: It seems like Microsoft is borking some peoples copy of Windows | May 15 17:46 |
DaemonFC | by sending in IE 8 unannounced | May 15 17:46 |
DaemonFC | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2009/05/can_i_recommend_internet_explo.html?hpid=sec-tech | May 15 17:46 |
DaemonFC | probably because these people have an active spyware infestation | May 15 17:46 |
DaemonFC | or have messed with IE to the point where it can't be properly upgraded | May 15 17:47 |
DaemonFC | but still it is amusing | May 15 17:47 |
schestowitz | Yeah.. | May 15 17:47 |
schestowitz | Let me see. | May 15 17:47 |
balzac | windows is about as messy and organic as the botnets which have colonized so many millions of windows computers | May 15 17:47 |
schestowitz | I don't get it: Nintendo Q4 profit down 42 pct, sees slowdown ahead < http://uk.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUKT2960420090507 > AND ALSO: Nintendo reports record profits < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8038203.stm > | May 15 17:48 |
schestowitz | Something ain't right here. | May 15 17:48 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: A lot of people on my Yahoo and Windows Live lists have been compromised by viruses | May 15 17:48 |
balzac | Microsoft is probably hiring the botnet administrators to teach them how to round up their decacying windows installations and force upgrades through some kind of rootkit | May 15 17:48 |
schestowitz | Record profit, AND down 42%? | May 15 17:48 |
DaemonFC | they immediately turn into IM spam relays | May 15 17:48 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Buy Penis pills!!!! Click Here!!!! | May 15 17:49 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 17:49 |
balzac | I wonder when the Microsoft people are just going to throw up their hands because they can't stand their own software anymore | May 15 17:49 |
DaemonFC | that kind of crap | May 15 17:49 |
DaemonFC | well I've noticed an interesting pattern | May 15 17:50 |
DaemonFC | most of the infected seem to be using XP | May 15 17:50 |
balzac | If I were a microsoft developer, i'd just give up | May 15 17:50 |
DaemonFC | XP is ridiculously easy to infect | May 15 17:50 |
balzac | what if you had to code in .net and use visual basic? | May 15 17:51 |
DaemonFC | especially when 60% of them don't have antivirus | May 15 17:51 |
balzac | would that not make you want to find a job in construction instead? | May 15 17:51 |
DaemonFC | .Net makes it easy for bad programmers to write broken applications | May 15 17:52 |
DaemonFC | not everything written in .Net is bad | May 15 17:52 |
DaemonFC | but because of that, a lot of it is | May 15 17:52 |
DaemonFC | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2007/09/internet_explorer_6_support_en_1.html | May 15 17:54 |
DaemonFC | LMAO | May 15 17:54 |
DaemonFC | http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/09/banner_ad_trojan_served_on_mys.html | May 15 17:55 |
DaemonFC | Banner Ad Trojan Served on MySpace, Photobucket | May 15 17:55 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9132311&intsrc=news_ts_head | May 15 17:58 |
DaemonFC | "Others will have to wait even longer, although the timetable is muddy at best. In an entry posted to its Windows Vista blog, Microsoft said, "We expect Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 SP2 to be publicly available in Q2 2009." That would place a general public release before the end of June." | May 15 17:58 |
DaemonFC | end of June? | May 15 17:58 |
DaemonFC | I've been running the final build of SP2 since it was on TechNet on April 27 | May 15 17:59 |
DaemonFC | what kind of crazy messed up shit is this where a company has to wait 2 months to deliver something that's already been signed off on | May 15 17:59 |
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schestowitz | http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/9002/seeqpod_microsoft.html SeeqPod Talks to Microsoft | May 15 18:01 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, it's very odd | May 15 18:02 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Vista still has about 3 years of Mainstream support | May 15 18:03 |
DaemonFC | so there probably will be a Service Pack 3 | May 15 18:03 |
DaemonFC | it'll be a squeaker though, and probably just an update rollup | May 15 18:03 |
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DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Vista-RTM-vs-Vista-SP2-99960.shtml | May 15 18:05 |
schestowitz | The site downtime is becoming a pain. I've attempted to speak to Shane by phone (or mail), but he's not around. | May 15 18:05 |
schestowitz | He has the report. I too have access to the account (it's mostly me who runs the site these days). I think it may have been a malicious DDOS attack. | May 15 18:05 |
schestowitz | Who knows... | May 15 18:05 |
schestowitz | I'll see what the host can do to help | May 15 18:05 |
DaemonFC | Vista SP2 needs MORE RAM than RTM | May 15 18:07 |
DaemonFC | 50 MB more | May 15 18:07 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: loooks minor | May 15 18:07 |
DaemonFC | and starts up 10 seconds slower | May 15 18:07 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 18:07 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz, did you see http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/15/1229231&from=rss | May 15 18:16 |
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schestowitz | Lots of Microsoft nws today | May 15 18:18 |
reya276 | does anyone know why boycottnovell.com is down | May 15 18:18 |
schestowitz | reya276: yes, I'm working on it | May 15 18:19 |
schestowitz | Load issues | May 15 18:19 |
reya276 | oh sorry | May 15 18:19 |
schestowitz | We might have to get dedicated | May 15 18:19 |
reya276 | I though MS got to you guys | May 15 18:19 |
schestowitz | I hope not | May 15 18:19 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, it came up in here yesterday | May 15 18:19 |
reya276 | dedicated sounds like a good idea | May 15 18:19 |
schestowitz | I was gonna write about it before /. | May 15 18:19 |
zer0c00l | ok | May 15 18:19 |
schestowitz | Now, if only I can get back to posting ASAP.. | May 15 18:20 |
reya276 | I was trying to read that Dell story, is there any other place where I can find that | May 15 18:20 |
schestowitz | Did you try Google cache? | May 15 18:23 |
schestowitz | cache:<URL> | May 15 18:23 |
reya276 | k let me try that, thanks | May 15 18:23 |
schestowitz | Why Move to MySQL from Microsoft SQL Server? < http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/move_from_microsoft_SQL_Server.html > | May 15 18:25 |
schestowitz | reya276: downtimes are quite rare, esp. of this duration | May 15 18:25 |
schestowitz | It could be DDOS | May 15 18:25 |
schestowitz | I don't know yet | May 15 18:25 |
reya276 | oh wow | May 15 18:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft "Kumo" is a Google clone | May 15 18:26 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 15 18:26 |
DaemonFC | I'm looking at the beta | May 15 18:26 |
reya276 | nope I read that Kumo was a piece of junk that tried to be like google but with more features and thus breaks the search | May 15 18:27 |
reya276 | typical MS stuff | May 15 18:27 |
DaemonFC | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/05/14/microsoft-publicly-testing-codename-kumo | May 15 18:28 |
DaemonFC | http://keznews.com/5669_Windows_7_Build_7127_Is_Live | May 15 18:29 |
DaemonFC | http://www.wzor.net/img/news/ms_sp2srv_cl_rtm_wzlogo.jpg | May 15 18:42 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 18:42 |
schestowitz | reya276: yes, it's more of a farce | May 15 18:43 |
schestowitz | Like Live aka MSN aka Cashbacks | May 15 18:44 |
DaemonFC | http://www.wzor.net/img/news/ms_sp2client_rtm_wzlogo.jpg | May 15 18:44 |
reya276 | yeap I figured that, they also got this Powerset thing going | May 15 18:44 |
schestowitz | I cam't wait for the site to come back | May 15 18:44 |
schestowitz | I have line 20 good posts lined up | May 15 18:44 |
schestowitz | I need t seam together my latest refs | May 15 18:44 |
reya276 | they purchased powerset for 100 million | May 15 18:44 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 15 18:44 |
schestowitz | Because they MustKillGoogle | May 15 18:44 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm getting the integrated DVD | May 15 18:45 |
DaemonFC | so I don't have to fuck around with the 800 meg SP2 isntaller next time :P | May 15 18:45 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if vlite would work on this sucker | May 15 18:45 |
DaemonFC | :D | May 15 18:45 |
reya276 | I was just looking at it and its clunky also it uses Wikipedia, I thought that MS did not like anything that was remotely close to FOSS or OpenSource | May 15 18:45 |
reya276 | I guess times are tough eh | May 15 18:46 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Should I bother with vlite, do you think? | May 15 18:46 |
DaemonFC | or am I just going to corrupt the ISO | May 15 18:47 |
DaemonFC | I don't know if I'm feeling lucky :D | May 15 18:47 |
DaemonFC | there is just SUCH a mountain of crap in Vista | May 15 18:47 |
DaemonFC | I counted 6 gigs worth of software I don't need | May 15 18:48 |
DaemonFC | just the crap I don't use is three times the size of Ubuntu | May 15 18:48 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 18:48 |
DaemonFC | but if you remove any of it, the next service pack will refuse to install :) | May 15 18:49 |
DaemonFC | that wasn't a problem with nLite for XP because it could slipstream a service pack, then you cut out the crap | May 15 18:49 |
DaemonFC | but Vista uses a different install format which is very unfriendly to hotfix integration | May 15 18:50 |
reya276 | yeap Vista is horrible, also tested the Windows 7 RC and is pure crap as well. nothings changed | May 15 18:50 |
reya276 | for some reason I can see more and more people running Linux 2 years from now. Ubuntu or some other form of Linux, maybe that Android OS from google | May 15 18:51 |
DaemonFC | I also hear rumors that Vista SP2 is blocking bittorrent ports | May 15 18:51 |
DaemonFC | 6881-6889 | May 15 18:52 |
DaemonFC | for some people | May 15 18:52 |
DaemonFC | doesn't seem to affect me | May 15 18:52 |
reya276 | yes they are, it blocked my brothers ports as he could not connect to to some torrent sites, and when he booted in to Ubuntu the sites all worked with transmission | May 15 18:53 |
DaemonFC | using utorrent here | May 15 18:53 |
DaemonFC | hasn't affected me at all | May 15 18:53 |
DaemonFC | it also does not affect Vuze | May 15 18:53 |
reya276 | maybe it was the client he was using, I forget the name | May 15 18:53 |
DaemonFC | they're all basically garbage except for utorrent | May 15 18:54 |
DaemonFC | on Windows anyway | May 15 18:54 |
DaemonFC | utorrent is fairly light on resources so a lot of Linux users use it through Wine | May 15 18:54 |
DaemonFC | in fact, they compile it intentionally so it works well on Wine | May 15 18:55 |
DaemonFC | spares them from having to port it | May 15 18:55 |
reya276 | through wine? why when you could use a native linux client | May 15 18:55 |
DaemonFC | cause utorrent still uses less resources | May 15 18:55 |
DaemonFC | well, I suppose Transmission is alright | May 15 18:55 |
DaemonFC | but stuff like Deluge are crap | May 15 18:55 |
reya276 | you know what is funny, I've heard lots of people complaining about the HD ATI video drivers not working properly, but when I ran a native linux game like nexiuz the damn thing worked great, the only time it craps out is when you try to run games in WINE | May 15 18:56 |
reya276 | see somehow I will have to put that to the test, because wine takes up resources+utorrent resources so how can it be less | May 15 18:57 |
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reya276 | you know what I don't understand is how in the hell the EU fines MS and is trying to give them a hard time, yet they stick with the company when it comes to their documents. | May 15 19:00 |
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DaemonFC | heh Winamp | May 15 19:04 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 19:04 |
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schestowitz | Shane is out of the house today, so the host is still being SO slow. I understand why they must do this. Shane seems to be out all day today, so the furthest I can reach is his answering machine. :-( Assuming it was a temporary DDOS attack I asked if they could the site be temporarily unsuspended so I can debug or disable to source of heavy load (maybe the Wiki). | May 15 19:04 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Fun is not integrated into Vista Basic or Business | May 15 19:07 |
DaemonFC | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/compare-editions/default.aspx | May 15 19:07 |
DaemonFC | rofl | May 15 19:07 |
reya276 | you know I noticed the site acting weird since last night at about 11:30pm - 12:00 am est. | May 15 19:07 |
DaemonFC | "Have more fun on your PC..." | May 15 19:07 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft kind of backed themselves into a corner with Vista support really | May 15 19:08 |
DaemonFC | they have to support Vista Business til 2017 | May 15 19:09 |
DaemonFC | all the rest get killed in 2012 | May 15 19:09 |
DaemonFC | that's the only way to guarantee that you have 10 years of support now | May 15 19:10 |
DaemonFC | is buy the Professional edition | May 15 19:10 |
DaemonFC | by cutting the support for other versions to 5 years, Microsoft essentially doubled the price and hid what they had done | May 15 19:11 |
reya276 | I tell you, you have some very smart crooks at MS, I wonder if they get trained at Redmond for this type of skill | May 15 19:16 |
schestowitz | reya276: yes, that's when it began. last night | May 15 19:18 |
schestowitz | I woke up and it was still bad | May 15 19:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: they say they'll support the Vista Beast until 2011 or later | May 15 19:18 |
schestowitz | Maybe 2102 | May 15 19:18 |
schestowitz | 2012 | May 15 19:19 |
schestowitz | See article from Greg in ComputerWorld | May 15 19:19 |
DaemonFC | Vista Business gets 5 years + 5 years of extended | May 15 19:19 |
DaemonFC | the rest only get the 5 years | May 15 19:19 |
schestowitz | reya276: what do you mean? | May 15 19:19 |
schestowitz | DDOS? | May 15 19:19 |
DaemonFC | including the super expensive ultimate edition | May 15 19:19 |
schestowitz | Some person asked me about it | May 15 19:19 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 19:19 |
DaemonFC | they got ripped off | May 15 19:19 |
schestowitz | Yes, they want free upgdrade now | May 15 19:20 |
schestowitz | Watch Google News, you'll see | May 15 19:20 |
schestowitz | They went the "7"edition of Vista for free | May 15 19:20 |
reya276 | schestowitz: about the skills thing? I meant if MS employees get trained to become crooks | May 15 19:20 |
schestowitz | Vista came in 6 editions, right? | May 15 19:20 |
schestowitz | 7 is the seventh | May 15 19:20 |
schestowitz | reya276: OH. You ought to see what I have coming. | May 15 19:20 |
schestowitz | They corrupt Obama again | May 15 19:21 |
schestowitz | Extortion | May 15 19:21 |
reya276 | oh I know, I'm so fucking pissed, because I thought he was different | May 15 19:21 |
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reya276 | yet the fucker built his campaing and was able to win the damn election using the fucking LAMP Stack, what an asshole | May 15 19:22 |
DaemonFC | 5 editions, not counting the GovernmentWare edition in the UK | May 15 19:22 |
DaemonFC | that would make 6 | May 15 19:22 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 19:22 |
reya276 | vista was suppose to be 5 and 7 was six, they had an article about the windows versioning on ARS Technica | May 15 19:23 |
schestowitz | Yes, I know that story | May 15 19:25 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 is actually Windows 6.2 | May 15 19:25 |
schestowitz | *6.1 | May 15 19:25 |
reya276 | right | May 15 19:25 |
schestowitz | Someone from Debian told me | May 15 19:25 |
schestowitz | He went into beta's registry | May 15 19:25 |
schestowitz | So it's Vista.1 | May 15 19:25 |
DaemonFC | NT 6.1 | May 15 19:25 |
schestowitz | The "AnotherShot" edition of Vista | May 15 19:26 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft says that's for compatibility reasons | May 15 19:26 |
schestowitz | SE2 | May 15 19:26 |
schestowitz | SE was SP1 | May 15 19:26 |
DaemonFC | and does not reflect it's radical departure from Vista :) | May 15 19:26 |
DaemonFC | right :P | May 15 19:26 |
schestowitz | Anyway, since lile 98% of Americans vote for the same party, the MSFTism in GOvt won't change. | May 15 19:27 |
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schestowitz | And I hope to show over time just how much Microsoft personnel there is in the Business Party | May 15 19:27 |
schestowitz | The Wiki ought to have an index | May 15 19:28 |
reya276 | schestowitz: sad to say it but your 100% right about that. What a shame! | May 15 19:28 |
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DaemonFC | no, 99% of the public is led along like the idiots they are by divisive fringe issues that "their candidate" will never really seek to change because then they can always blame the other bastards for why nothing ever gets donw about that | May 15 19:30 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 19:30 |
DaemonFC | the country is collapsing and our own greed is finally catching up with us!!! ZOMG!!! GAY MARRIAGE!!! | May 15 19:30 |
reya276 | you I could understand if FOSS was something that could actually harm our society but its something that can change the entire world. | May 15 19:31 |
DaemonFC | no, that's just what the Communists want you to think, they want software to be free so they can put hard working people out of jobs and cause billions in lost revenue | May 15 19:32 |
DaemonFC | right up there with the pirates | May 15 19:32 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 19:32 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: There was a guy in this state (Indiana) who sued the FSF for illegal price fixing with their anticompetitive GPL license | May 15 19:33 |
DaemonFC | and the judge dismissed his claims in SUMMARY judgement | May 15 19:33 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 19:33 |
reya276 | Have you guys seen the Zeitgeist Movement http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=57 | May 15 19:33 |
DaemonFC | meaning she didn't even think it was worth the courts time to hear him | May 15 19:33 |
DaemonFC | she wrote something to the effect of "Yeah, it sucks for you, but it's a good thing for a million other people" | May 15 19:34 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 15 19:34 |
DaemonFC | I am just not used to that kind of competence by a judge in this state | May 15 19:35 |
reya276 | DaemonFC: I don't know what your understanding of FOSS is, but as far as I'm concern it is not communism. | May 15 19:35 |
DaemonFC | sarcasm mean anything to you? :P | May 15 19:35 |
reya276 | :-D | May 15 19:36 |
reya276 | ah I thought you were serious | May 15 19:36 |
DaemonFC | http://www.wzor.net/img/news/ms_sp2srv_cl_rtm_wzlogo.jpg | May 15 19:38 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, I know the guy | May 15 19:38 |
DaemonFC | this one is my favorite of the two | May 15 19:38 |
schestowitz | Groklaw has the ruling's PDF somewhere | May 15 19:39 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Vista got quite a bit more stable when they started using the same OS binaries as Server 2008 | May 15 19:39 |
DaemonFC | they don't tend to foist crap on their big spenders | May 15 19:39 |
DaemonFC | so I'm not surprised that some of that stability washed up onto Vista | May 15 19:40 |
schestowitz | If (Economy=="down" || <0), then PrintMoney(max) && Greenspan.RaiseHand(); | May 15 19:40 |
reya276 | Vista is crap due to its DRM infestation, which will also plague Windows 7 | May 15 19:40 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 15 19:40 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's not strapped on yet fully | May 15 19:41 |
DaemonFC | oddly enough | May 15 19:41 |
DaemonFC | I've only seen one thing that *may* be DRM | May 15 19:41 |
schestowitz | I have some posts about it, but DAMN. No go. | May 15 19:41 |
schestowitz | reya276: I could blog in my personal site | May 15 19:41 |
trmanco | http://blogs.computerworld.com/look_out_ie_firefox_chrome_is_getting_much_better | May 15 19:42 |
reya276 | go for it | May 15 19:42 |
trmanco | oh crap, here we go | May 15 19:42 |
schestowitz | I SO hate it when the site is down | May 15 19:42 |
schestowitz | This is the longest downtime ever (since 2006) | May 15 19:43 |
schestowitz | I guess I could use a break | May 15 19:43 |
reya276 | oh yeah, IE 8 is garbage, I've been getting lots of feedback from the Web Dev community and Web designers. They have already put it through its paces and they say it wont cut it | May 15 19:44 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: were you referring to Wallace earlier? | May 15 19:44 |
schestowitz | I have posts about it in BN | May 15 19:44 |
schestowitz | But it's a no-go right now | May 15 19:44 |
DaemonFC | I just remember reading about it | May 15 19:44 |
reya276 | due mainly to its Javascript limitations, slow very slow | May 15 19:44 |
reya276 | schestowitz: have you tried looking for another host | May 15 19:45 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft should just buy Mozilla | May 15 19:46 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 19:46 |
DaemonFC | now | May 15 19:46 |
DaemonFC | while they still can | May 15 19:46 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm downloading the integrated SP2 image | May 15 19:48 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 15 19:48 |
DaemonFC | everything ends up on Technet or Microsoft Connect first | May 15 19:48 |
DaemonFC | there probably never will be an integrated SP2 retail box set | May 15 19:49 |
DaemonFC | the way I hear it they were gearing up to fix a lot of nasty shit with SP1 | May 15 19:50 |
DaemonFC | then management stepped in and stopped them | May 15 19:50 |
DaemonFC | neat trick I suppose, let people suffer with a broken product, then let them up for some air a few years later for *only* a couple hundred bucks | May 15 19:51 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The x64 Windows Vista actually scored about 10-12% higher than the 32-bit build | May 15 19:52 |
DaemonFC | even running 32-bit programs | May 15 19:52 |
reya276 | oh well fellas is time for me to call it a day, heading on home, worked sucked today | May 15 19:52 |
DaemonFC | I kind of wonder how the 32-bit Vista was botched to make it perform that badly | May 15 19:52 |
reya276 | have a good weekend | May 15 19:53 |
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schestowitz | reya: yes, we though about moving | May 15 19:59 |
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DaemonFC | oh nice | May 15 20:17 |
DaemonFC | Xchat stores your passwords in plain text | May 15 20:17 |
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schestowitz | For Win32-malware to read | May 15 20:22 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: 32-bit Windows viruses often don't behave as intended on 64-bit Windows | May 15 20:44 |
trmanco | http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/browsers-barometer/browser-barometer-april-2009/index-1-2-3-169.html?xtor=11 | May 15 20:46 |
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Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: so what happened to your silly website? | May 15 20:49 |
schestowitz | Who's asking? | May 15 20:58 |
Diablo-D3 | Um, I am. | May 15 20:58 |
schestowitz | "silly website" | May 15 20:58 |
Diablo-D3 | Well, it seems to be down atm. | May 15 20:59 |
schestowitz | You're happy about it | May 15 20:59 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090512/1505454848.shtml (China Has Invented Miraculous Hack-Proof Processor And Operating System?) | May 15 21:00 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: you're surely here with an evil eye and all, but anyway, the site is downed due to heavy load | May 15 21:00 |
Diablo-D3 | I'm mildly happy about it because its one less website against FOSS out there. | May 15 21:00 |
schestowitz | Either too much demand (I saw huge numbers) or DDOS. We still learn it | May 15 21:01 |
schestowitz | You mean one site less TODAY | May 15 21:01 |
Diablo-D3 | In fact, I have to thank you. Without your efforts, I would have never taken Mono seriously. You've done a service to them to get the word out, although this wasn't your intention. | May 15 21:02 |
schestowitz | I see more rubbish rumours from the analyst who is always wrong | May 15 21:04 |
schestowitz | First she says Oracle will hurt Red Hat | May 15 21:04 |
schestowitz | It never did | May 15 21:04 |
schestowitz | Then she says Oracle will buy Red Hat | May 15 21:04 |
schestowitz | Now she says IBM will buy Red Hat | May 15 21:04 |
schestowitz | What a farce | May 15 21:04 |
schestowitz | Motorola gets $310 million China Mobile deal < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137354/motorola-usd310-million-china-mobile-deal > They use lots of Linux. | May 15 21:08 |
schestowitz | HP recalls 70,000 lithium-ion batteries < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137353/hp-recalls-lithium-ion-batteries > | May 15 21:10 |
schestowitz | The article on gnote is now available for all to access: http://lwn.net/Articles/331187/ | May 15 21:14 |
schestowitz | What the heck is this? http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/15/boy-scouts-training.html memories of "Hitler Youth" | May 15 21:19 |
schestowitz | Cheney Intervened in CIA Inspector General's Torture Probe < http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/899-cheney-stopped-cia-inspector-general-from-completing-torture-probe.html > | May 15 21:20 |
schestowitz | Senate Dumps On Credit Card Interest Cap < http://open.salon.com/blog/mick_arran/2009/05/13/senate_dumps_on_credit_card_interest_cap > | May 15 21:21 |
schestowitz | WSJ lets propaganda be published: "Copyright Critics Rationalize Theft" < http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124199933659205011.html > | May 15 21:24 |
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schestowitz | Pretext of "terrorism" to temporarily criminalise peaceful protesters? http://www.ainfos.ca/09/may/ainfos00162.html | May 15 21:30 |
schestowitz | The definition of "terrorism" (valuable reference): http://www.sangam.org/ANALYSIS/Ahmad.htm | May 15 21:32 |
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_Hicham_ | Hi All! | May 15 21:51 |
_Hicham_ | gnash finally works | May 15 21:51 |
schestowitz | I only use Flash for video | May 15 21:51 |
_Hicham_ | but it has always the high cpu usage problem | May 15 21:52 |
_Hicham_ | still | May 15 21:52 |
schestowitz | Does gnash do it well with swfdec? | May 15 21:52 |
_Hicham_ | swfdec is another alternative | May 15 21:52 |
_Hicham_ | but it isn't as complete as gnash | May 15 21:52 |
schestowitz | No mergers anywhere? | May 15 21:53 |
_Hicham_ | not that i know of | May 15 21:53 |
_Hicham_ | do u use gnash? | May 15 21:53 |
_Hicham_ | or swfdec? | May 15 21:53 |
schestowitz | Nope | May 15 22:01 |
_Hicham_ | u use official flash? | May 15 22:06 |
_Hicham_ | I just tried swfdec | May 15 22:06 |
_Hicham_ | it has the same issue | May 15 22:06 |
_Hicham_ | plus it is faster than gnash | May 15 22:06 |
schestowitz | Yeah, I feel guilty about using Flash | May 15 22:09 |
schestowitz | Mandriva came with it | May 15 22:09 |
_Hicham_ | Official Adobe Flash? | May 15 22:10 |
_Hicham_ | ????????????????????????? | May 15 22:10 |
_Hicham_ | ????????????????????????????? | May 15 22:10 |
_Hicham_ | ?????????????????????????? | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | I have Flashblock | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | I only use it for YouTube. | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | You seem veyr surprised | May 15 22:10 |
_Hicham_ | yes | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | About me? | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | Or Mandirva? | May 15 22:10 |
_Hicham_ | very very very very surprised | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | Mandriva probably | May 15 22:10 |
_Hicham_ | yes | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | Me too | May 15 22:10 |
_Hicham_ | about you | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | I couldn't | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | Wait | May 15 22:10 |
_Hicham_ | I know about Mandriva | May 15 22:10 |
schestowitz | OK | May 15 22:11 |
_Hicham_ | So you downloaded Mandriva One? | May 15 22:11 |
schestowitz | They also prepackage binary drivers | May 15 22:11 |
schestowitz | No, Spring community | May 15 22:11 |
*benJIman looks at the scrollback to see why the site is down. | May 15 22:11 | |
_Hicham_ | Mandriva offers a free version | May 15 22:11 |
_Hicham_ | but, what can I say? | May 15 22:11 |
_Hicham_ | gnash and swf still have problems | May 15 22:12 |
_Hicham_ | so if u use official flash, I understand | May 15 22:12 |
_Hicham_ | we are forced to | May 15 22:12 |
_Hicham_ | but I will that things will change with the video tag | May 15 22:15 |
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_Hicham_ | hopefully, Mozilla will free us | May 15 22:15 |
_Goblin | hi all | May 15 22:15 |
_Hicham_ | Hi there | May 15 22:15 |
_Hicham_ | Official Flash too have CPU problems | May 15 22:16 |
_Hicham_ | so it seems that it is something implementation related | May 15 22:16 |
_Hicham_ | swfdec renders better | May 15 22:17 |
schestowitz | Fedora considering mailing list moderation < http://lwn.net/Articles/333405/ > | May 15 22:17 |
schestowitz | benJIman: load problems | May 15 22:17 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: you were right | May 15 22:18 |
_Goblin | ? | May 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | Go smear in Joe's face | May 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | I alerted you on Twitter | May 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | http://www.joewilcox.com/2009/05/the-problem-with-realtime-journalism.html | May 15 22:18 |
_Hicham_ | good Fedora initiative | May 15 22:18 |
schestowitz | Denying for Officethemovie | May 15 22:19 |
_Goblin | ah that. | May 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | But it's a shill: http://www.crn.com/software/217400384;jsessionid=GSGAPL3CJDNNAQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVN | May 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | Confirmed | May 15 22:19 |
_Goblin | I recieved an email from him you know. | May 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | I will blog it when we get the site back in good shape | May 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | Him who? | May 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | Joe? | May 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | Or the dummy accounts? | May 15 22:19 |
_Goblin | officethemovie | May 15 22:19 |
schestowitz | MS employee? | May 15 22:19 |
_Goblin | he contacted me | May 15 22:19 |
_Goblin | Ill paste the email (nothing exciting) here | May 15 22:20 |
schestowitz | Thgankjs | May 15 22:20 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: http://www.2indya.com/2009/05/10/linux-poem-contest-write-and-win-5/ | May 15 22:20 |
schestowitz | Your 'shill' :-) | May 15 22:21 |
trmanco | I can believe people still use outcr00k excess | May 15 22:21 |
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_Goblin | fromDavid Z <ilovewarez4sho@gmail.com> | May 15 22:22 |
_Goblin | tobytes4free@googlemail.com | May 15 22:22 |
_Goblin | dateThu, May 14, 2009 at 1:44 AM | May 15 22:22 |
_Goblin | subject@officethemovie | May 15 22:22 |
_Goblin | mailed-bygmail.com | May 15 22:22 |
_Goblin | signed-bygmail.com | May 15 22:22 |
_Goblin | May 15 22:22 | |
_Goblin | hide details May 14 (2 days ago) | May 15 22:22 |
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_Goblin | Reply | May 15 22:22 |
_Goblin | May 15 22:22 | |
_Goblin | Follow up message | May 15 22:22 |
_Goblin | I didn't get a chance to reply back, sorry but here is the story just published which shall answer your questions: | May 15 22:22 |
_Goblin | http://www.joewilcox.com/2009/05/officethemovie-the-confessional.html | May 15 22:23 |
_Goblin | It made me laugh. I think they must think we were born yesterday | May 15 22:24 |
_Goblin | Suffice to say I didnt buy that explanation. | May 15 22:24 |
_Goblin | Though Joe could merely be wrong, and not trying to add to the deception | May 15 22:25 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: I will post about it | May 15 22:26 |
schestowitz | CRN says it's an MS account | May 15 22:26 |
schestowitz | Not even a proxy like W-E | May 15 22:26 |
schestowitz | Beryl is back from the ashes < http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2009/05/15/beryl-back-from-the-ashes/ > | May 15 22:26 |
_Goblin | lol | May 15 22:26 |
_Goblin | I think Im going need a new twitter account. Many of the pro MS twitterers will not respond to me for fear of being dragged into something they dont want to talk about. | May 15 22:27 |
_Goblin | Im going to have to shill the shillers by pretending to be an average MS user. | May 15 22:28 |
_Goblin | just to hear their explanations about some of the things they post | May 15 22:29 |
schestowitz | Yeah, I know what you mean | May 15 22:29 |
_Hicham_ | why revive Beryl? | May 15 22:31 |
_Goblin | Ive found the best way to get a response out of them is start posting some facts about MS products using the #microsoft and #windows tag | May 15 22:31 |
schestowitz | You apply their stratgey in reverse | May 15 22:32 |
schestowitz | They assimilate to FOSS to poison it | May 15 22:32 |
schestowitz | 15,000 more jobs go at BT < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25054/1054/ > | May 15 22:33 |
_Goblin | ive shares with them :( | May 15 22:33 |
trmanco | I like compiz-fusion more than I liked beryl | May 15 22:40 |
schestowitz | They are all relatives. kwin too. | May 15 22:41 |
_Goblin | Roy, In regards to that link to the poem business...I saw that before....I hope when I made the article that shill really didnt play a part in it...I actually thought..con job if Im honest....that being said Linux advocate or not, his article stunk. | May 15 22:42 |
_Goblin | and now he appears to be accusing me of a child hater. I assume hes misread something Ive typed. | May 15 22:42 |
_Goblin | I think hes failed to understand my comment when I said I didnt think it appropriate to parade children on the internet for the sake of an article. | May 15 22:43 |
_Goblin | and then I went on to say this was the reason why I didnt like the MS ads/ | May 15 22:43 |
schestowitz | You pick a fight with the wrong guy, IMHO | May 15 22:48 |
schestowitz | Anyway, I'll get some sleep now. | May 15 22:49 |
schestowitz | Maybe the site will be back online in the morning. | May 15 22:49 |
_Goblin | It wasnt a fight. and I have a damn good link to throw at any shill that says I only tackle MS users. | May 15 22:50 |
_Goblin | night! | May 15 22:50 |
_Hicham_ | beryl is dead | May 15 22:57 |
_Hicham_ | seems like gnash and swfdec are X related again | May 15 22:59 |
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schestowitz | Woken up.. | May 15 23:07 |
schestowitz | Sort of | May 15 23:07 |
_Hicham_ | who had woken up? | May 15 23:07 |
schestowitz | Shane is back from work so we can hopefully bring the site back online shortly. Need to sort out how to avoid the problem from recurring | May 15 23:07 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I was gonna call it a day, but it's not a good time | May 15 23:07 |
schestowitz | I have about 20 good posts coming | May 15 23:08 |
schestowitz | I enjoy posting in BN and I hope we can do so tomorrow | May 15 23:08 |
schestowitz | Tweeting That May Come Back to Haunt You < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/15/be-careful-what-you-tweet-for > | May 15 23:08 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/google_opens_up_trademark_policy/ Google trademark grab defies mounting lawsuits | May 15 23:11 |
schestowitz | Take-Two sues over death of Duke Nukem Forever < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/15/taketwo_sues_apogee_over_dnf/ > | May 15 23:14 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: expend energy only on real harmful trolls. Otheriwise it's wasted effort. | May 15 23:14 |
_Goblin | true. I think that was finished before it begun anyway. | May 15 23:15 |
_Goblin | Like flatfish | May 15 23:15 |
_Goblin | or Dr Dee. Two little crackers Im working on at the moment. | May 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | May 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | You know them | May 15 23:16 |
_Goblin | oh yes | May 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | Dee is from CNET right? | May 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | Big shill | May 15 23:16 |
_Goblin | yep | May 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | Also No_Ax_to_Grind in ZDNet | May 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | Mcirosoft sends its employees there too | May 15 23:16 |
_Goblin | and Frank from the Ng's | May 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | It was covered in Wired after an employee had snitched | May 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, mapping them is done sometimes | May 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | http://threatpost.com/blogs/bruce-schneier-cryptography-security-theater-and-psychology-fear | May 15 23:17 |
_Goblin | another upcoming (who I believe is Dr Dee) is Nknow | May 15 23:18 |
_Goblin | and guess what? They say "all roads lead to rome" thats not really true. It appears "all roads lead to Andre Da Costa" | May 15 23:18 |
_Goblin | Neowin connection, Nknow, CC_Torment & many others have all been followed from "he who cannot be named" | May 15 23:19 |
schestowitz | El Efecto Streisand As Guatemala Arrests Twitterer http://techdirt.com/articles/20090515/0224004894.shtml | May 15 23:19 |
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schestowitz | OK. Progress. | May 15 23:27 |
schestowitz | There was no obvious DDOS attack. | May 15 23:27 |
schestowitz | Here's something for context: | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > their original email is attached, it's a server log excerpt that shows | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > us swamping them. | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | Thanks Shane. Yes, I wondered what it would look like and I don't know what left to a sudden surge. We didn't get Slashdotted or anything and the heavy loan persisted for hours. | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > the nature of my argument is that it's not cool that they sell me | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > bandwidth and space that the site is not totally using up, so why is it | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > they cannot handle the connections? seems like they are promising more | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > than they can deliver. | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | Exactly. Not a unique problem. Other sites complain about their hosts for similar reasons. | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > on the other hand, I understand, BN has gotten huge over the last few | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > years and could benefit from dedicated hosting by a real company. | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > Maybe we can do subdomains and move the wiki and the blog to seperate | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > accounts? like wiki.bn.com redirects to one account and blog.bn.com to | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > another? If they are on different machines, it may halve the load | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | > (depending on which is more popular). | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | That sounds like a plan. I'm ready to try that. | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | So that sounds like a lot of work but may be worth it | May 15 23:28 |
schestowitz | No obvious sign of DDOS as I had hoped | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | I guess we just had a lot of people visiting.. | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | ======================== | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | load average: 32.47, 35.78, 47.05 | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | Tasks: 231 total, 31 running, 194 sleeping, 2 stopped, 4 zombie | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | Cpu(s): 70.4% us, 26.4% sy, 0.0% ni, 2.7% id, 0.2% wa, 0.2% hi, 0.0% si | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | 8248 mysql 15 0 545m 79m 4060 S 79.1 3.9 2:44.19 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/ --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/lib/mysql/pass3.dizinc.com.pid --skip-external-locking | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | 9621 boycottn 21 0 46608 26m 16m R 17.5 1.3 0:00.53 /usr/bin/php /home/boycottn/public_html/wiki/index.php | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | 9618 boycottn 21 0 44124 24m 16m R 14.2 1.2 0:00.43 /usr/bin/php /home/boycottn/public_html/wiki/index.php | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | 9554 boycottn 25 0 44644 24m 16m R 12.2 1.2 0:01.37 /usr/bin/php /home/boycottn/public_html/index.php | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | 9629 boycottn 19 0 0 0 0 Z 11.5 0.0 0:00.35 [php] <defunct> | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | 9548 boycottn 25 0 43496 24m 16m R 9.9 1.2 0:01.23 /usr/bin/php /home/boycottn/public_html/index.php | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | Number of hits. | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | root@pass3 [~]# grep 'GET /' /etc/httpd/domlogs/boycottnovell.com | wc -l | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | 121621 | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | Active Mysql Processes | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | | 4 | boycottn_wrdp1 | localhost | boycottn_wrdp1 | Query | 0 | Opening tables | UPDATE wp_options SET option_value = '' WHERE option_name = 'firstPost' |... | May 15 23:29 |
schestowitz | They don't want to deliver within the promised quota | May 15 23:30 |
schestowitz | Not fair.. | May 15 23:30 |
schestowitz | The 10 Biggest Tech Failures of the Last Decade: Vista makes #1: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1898610,00.html | May 15 23:33 |
schestowitz | HP moves OpenVMS dev to India? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12/openvms_to_india/ > | May 15 23:36 |
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schestowitz | "America's oil, gas and coal industry has increased its lobbying budget by 50%, with key players spending $44.5 [million] in the first three months of this year in an intense effort to cut off support" for cap and trade legislation to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions." http://www.prwatch.org/node/8373 | May 15 23:37 |
schestowitz | "Tobacco Lobby Winning in Texas [...] http://www.prwatch.org/node/8374" http://www.prwatch.org/node/8374 | May 15 23:38 |
schestowitz | "The industry employed 40 lobbyists, seven of whom are former state legislators, to beat back the popular proposals." People whose job is to harm the public. Microsoft has analogous anti-FOSS agents | May 15 23:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-15-021-35-NW-BZ-0001 "Add time.com to the list of colossal web site design failures while we're at it, heavily cursed with badly thought-out Javascript." | May 15 23:43 |
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schestowitz | More on Vista being the biggest disaster of the decade: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-15-021-35-NW-BZ-0000 | May 15 23:43 |
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