| tacone | Back. | May 20 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | OK, posts all merged | May 20 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Now comments... | May 20 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Some people got in despite me blocking it | May 20 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Comments merged too | May 20 00:05 |
| schestowitz | All done. | May 20 00:05 |
| tacone | Please someone name my nick | May 20 00:06 |
| schestowitz | First new post: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/19/sugar-victorious-on-olpc/ | May 20 00:13 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it's tacone | May 20 00:13 |
| tacone | Thx :-) | May 20 00:16 |
| schestowitz | The BN haters already pollute the comments: http://blogs.computerworld.com/burying_the_truth_boycott_novell_hit_by_denial_of_service_attack | May 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Would you believe it???? They say I DDOSed MYSEFL | May 20 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Huh??/ | May 20 00:19 |
| tacone | ??? | May 20 00:19 |
| schestowitz | I imagine I can tell which trolls wrote which comments | May 20 00:19 |
| schestowitz | I recognise the style | May 20 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, with 51 diggs in 6 hours it'll be in the front page. I didn't do anything to promote it, but SJVN is well respected, so... | May 20 00:20 |
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| tacone | Susan ? | May 20 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | TuxMachines=Susan Linton | May 20 00:22 |
| tacone | Agh i can't click the link | May 20 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Don;t. | May 20 00:23 |
| schestowitz | it's naked bunnies | May 20 00:23 |
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| tacone | Ill connect from the pc in 1min | May 20 00:24 |
| tacone | So you can give me again the link | May 20 00:24 |
| tacone | Ben | May 20 00:27 |
| tacone | Brb | May 20 00:27 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: sorry, irc from a phone is a nightmare | May 20 00:29 |
| tacone | can you give me again the links you gave me 2 mins ago ? | May 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine | May 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | yanoff for Palm used to sound interesting | May 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Better to enjoy the outdoors while out and use a proper big PC when woring | May 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | My display is over a meter wide | May 20 00:29 |
| tacone | i'm indoors, but i have not a proper internet connection | May 20 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see. | May 20 00:30 |
| tacone | and tethering the pc to the iphone makes the iphone discharge even if attached to the cable | May 20 00:30 |
| tacone | so while it charges back i use the phone itself as irc client. | May 20 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow I'll do a followup post abouit Marco | May 20 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Someone who worked in EU panels sent me material | May 20 00:30 |
| tacone | uh ? nice. | May 20 00:31 |
| tacone | would you give me again the links ? | May 20 00:31 |
| tacone | the computerworld one and the other one. | May 20 00:32 |
| tacone | schestowitz: ? | May 20 00:34 |
| tacone | nevermind. i found it myself | May 20 00:36 |
| tacone | i wanted to post about the DDOS but refrained | May 20 00:41 |
| tacone | now i think I will | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/burying_the_truth_boycott_novell_hit_by_denial_of_service_attack | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | From correspondence with him, in case it adds another: | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | *anything | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | > "What kind of traffic does the site normally get? 100K+ 1-million+ hits per month?" | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Last month is was over 200gb, about a million pageviews, 6 million hits (excluding bots and SEs). It goes higher when I post Comes exhibits. | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | > "Are you hosting the site yourself? If not, at what hosting provider does it live?" | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Surpass used to host it, but when the attacks had them isolate us (after struggling for 10 hours with it, to no avail) we moved to a dedicated CentOS server of a friend (copilotco.com). Lots of things are still incomplete on this server and attacks still take the site down. It demands constant attention and false positives. | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | > "Have you gotten any kind of recent threats towards the site? e.g. "This will shut you up!" | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Only the usual warnings that things are about to get "warm" for me. I've been getting this for a long time from anti-Linux trolls though. | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Also see http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/comment-in-other-web-sites/ | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | > "When was Boycott founded? How often is the site updated with new stories?" | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | It was founded in 2006. It has about 10 posts per day. | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | A lawyer has just mailed me this (anonymised)... | May 20 00:41 |
| tacone | i guess I know that journalist from digg. | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it will be in the FP of Digg soon. | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Since it's out there anyway, I might as well explain in BN too | May 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | No point hiding it anymore | May 20 00:42 |
| tacone | right | May 20 00:42 |
| tacone | i'll write up a quick paragraph in tomorrow's roundup | May 20 00:42 |
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| tacone | nice comment on my last post. read the last one | May 20 00:45 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/the-mono-crusade/comment-page-1/#comment-33908 | May 20 00:45 |
| schestowitz | tessier: can I attribute you by name? | May 20 00:46 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks a lot! | May 20 00:47 |
| tacone | no probl. | May 20 00:47 |
| schestowitz | tacone: see http://digg.com/linux_unix/Burying_the_truth_Boycott_Novell_hit_by_DDoS_attack | May 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | See the comment from Carla (Linux Today editor) | May 20 00:49 |
| schestowitz | That's new to me | May 20 00:49 |
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| tacone | carla ? italian name | May 20 00:55 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Man...wish I had my company website and everything set up better. It is currently pretty lame. Sure, you can attribute me and Copilotco by name | May 20 00:55 |
| tacone | i won'tbe online for long | May 20 00:55 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Do you mind if I share some of your logs with SJVN? | May 20 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | May 20 00:56 |
| schestowitz | tessier: please do | May 20 00:56 |
| schestowitz | You got his addy? | May 20 00:56 |
| schestowitz | I write a rebuttal to lies | May 20 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Like some troll saying we DDOSed outselved | May 20 00:56 |
| schestowitz | *ves | May 20 00:57 |
| schestowitz | tacone: her last name is Germanic | May 20 00:57 |
| tessier | Yes, I have his addy | May 20 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | it's nice to see that so many people Digg the news, which shows that they care about our work | May 20 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Someone in the comments also said he'd offer mirroring. | May 20 01:13 |
| Hi Roy, yes you rock. | May 20 01:13 | |
| tacone | Dunno. I dug it btw | May 20 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | To refute lies about the DDOS attack against us: DDOS and Migration < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/19/boycott-novell-was-downed-by-heavy-load-malicious-ddos-attacks/ > | May 20 01:20 |
| tacone | I can't open your links. Guess it's a bug with long held | May 20 01:21 |
| tacone | URLs* :-) | May 20 01:22 |
| schestowitz | RMS tells me he'll ask the FSF to remove his imposter in Twitter | May 20 01:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone: http://tinyurl.com/om3zwlany better? | May 20 01:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone: http://tinyurl.com/om3zwl | May 20 01:23 |
| that would be good. | May 20 01:23 | |
| tacone | Eheheh no. Buggy software :-)) | May 20 01:24 |
| tacone | I'll read tomorrow it doesn't matter now. Thx anyway | May 20 01:24 |
| It is surprising people would pretend to be RMS on Twitter. I have not seen any fakes on Slashdot. | May 20 01:24 | |
| who's been lying about the DDoS? | May 20 01:25 | |
| You said someone was doing an article ... | May 20 01:25 | |
| tacone | I'm outta here. Replying a comment and going to sleep. Bye :-) | May 20 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | Shane says "some commenters offered ideas on ways to cope, in case this stirs up the hornets nest again." | May 20 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | SJVN is the one who said he wanted to write about it. Since it's already out there I decided to post clarifications. SJVN will make Digg's front page. This shows people do care about the site because they Digg it very fast. It actually surprises me that it'll make front page as though it's news | May 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz | twitter: RMS also has fakes in Digg | May 20 01:29 |
| schestowitz | "Already sceptical about Mono I started reading about Gnome 3.0, and it became clear to me (it had probably been obvious to others for a long time) that Novell’s influence on Gnome is horribly strong. It strikes me that Gnome 3.0 will become not a Linux DE, but a Mono frontend." | May 20 01:30 |
| RMS does not browse the web as most people do. I don't think he has time to. he gets it one page at a time somehow based on people's recommendations. | May 20 01:30 | |
| schestowitz | Does Binner still develop much? | May 20 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Stefan used to write a lot in his KDE blog | May 20 01:31 |
| schestowitz | haven't come across anything since Novell had sacked him | May 20 01:31 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, just embed the page text in E-mails to his. Serves him right (no ads, either) | May 20 01:32 |
| I generally quote useful portions of things I send him. I think he downloads the entire page to verify for himself, as a prudent person would. | May 20 01:33 | |
| I wonder when the Debian people will switch the desktop task from Gnome to KDE. | May 20 01:33 | |
| people would be better served that way. | May 20 01:33 | |
| tessier | schestowitz: I just emailed you the logs and some analysis. | May 20 01:34 |
| they should at least make it as easy to chose one as the other. | May 20 01:34 | |
| tessier | schestowitz: Actually emailed SJVN and cc'd you | May 20 01:34 |
| schestowitz | twitter: I know someone who lobbies for it | May 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Debian/KDE | May 20 01:36 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks | May 20 01:36 |
| *schestowitz checks | May 20 01:36 | |
| _Hicham_ | KDE is still filled with myths | May 20 01:37 |
| _Hicham_ | about the ex-qt license | May 20 01:37 |
| ah | May 20 01:37 | |
| _Hicham_ | plus, gnome is gnu | May 20 01:37 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: exactly | May 20 01:38 |
| _Hicham_ | anything gnu is preferred | May 20 01:38 |
| schestowitz | dead horse kicked | May 20 01:38 |
| well well well, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ | May 20 01:39 | |
| _Hicham_ | do u use debian? | May 20 01:39 |
| yes | May 20 01:39 | |
| why | May 20 01:39 | |
| ? | May 20 01:39 | |
| _Hicham_ | just asked | May 20 01:40 |
| _Hicham_ | but it is normal, since you are a sys admin | May 20 01:40 |
| tessier | er... | May 20 01:41 |
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| _Hicham_ | tessier is the sys admin, oops | May 20 01:42 |
| I'm just a user | May 20 01:42 | |
| :) | May 20 01:42 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: can I make the info you sent public (just the relevant parts) as proof and also record of offending IPs (Windows zombies)? | May 20 01:42 |
| tessier | schestowitz: See private msg first. | May 20 01:43 |
| Here's cool news. KDE 4.2 was put into Debian testing on May 17. | May 20 01:43 | |
| _Hicham_ | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/ | May 20 01:46 |
| _Hicham_ | funny site | May 20 01:46 |
| ah ha, testing has a "kde-full" package. awesome ! | May 20 01:48 | |
| http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html | May 20 01:48 | |
| schestowitz | Debt Trap (1 of 5) < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYx7jGYeDmA&feature=related > | May 20 02:03 |
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| http://slashdot.org/submission/1003983/West-Point-Maxes-Security-by-Minning-Windows | May 20 03:18 | |
| Let's see how long it takes to get modded to black | May 20 03:19 | |
| schestowitz | Haha. Voted. | May 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz | I posted this in BN earlier (well, link to it) | May 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz | Windows -- for ricers and masochists only | May 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz | In the past 6 days we did over half a megabyte in IRC | May 20 03:21 |
| I got it from BN, thanks | May 20 03:23 | |
| IRC has included a lot of Windows talk. | May 20 03:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.darkreading.com/security/client/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217400548 | May 20 03:23 |
| schestowitz | " Pirated Windows 7 OS Comes With Trojan, Builds A Botnet | May 20 03:24 |
| schestowitz | At its peak, the Trojan-infested counterfeit version of Microsoft's | May 20 03:24 |
| schestowitz | prerelease version of Windows 7 was infecting more than 200 PCs an hour | May 20 03:24 |
| schestowitz | " | May 20 03:24 |
| I think the low point came when someone said that the Windows Registry made windows stable. | May 20 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | daemonfc is not a shill | May 20 03:24 |
| It's nice to see that kind of reporting. I've never trusted cracked Windows. | May 20 03:24 | |
| schestowitz | I think he's just aggravating with win-talk | May 20 03:25 |
| schestowitz | He learns them well to rip them apart later | May 20 03:25 |
| it's hard to tell about FC. he's so full of Windows promotion, ick. | May 20 03:26 | |
| and it's funny you knew who made the Registry comment. | May 20 03:26 | |
| So much confusion, it's hard to believe. | May 20 03:27 | |
| any way, did you see Doctorow's Guardian piece? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/may/19/we-must-ensure-google-garage | May 20 03:28 | |
| I've been saying stuff like that for years. I'm glad others think the same way. | May 20 03:28 | |
| *schestowitz looks | May 20 03:29 | |
| schestowitz | Nice spin | May 20 03:29 |
| schestowitz | And dramatisation | May 20 03:29 |
| schestowitz | But he does, in general, have a point | May 20 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Power to control the 'pipes' is power over communication/information flow | May 20 03:30 |
| schestowitz | That's a lot of power in the hands of AT&T and others | May 20 03:30 |
| schestowitz | AT&T censored for Bush | May 20 03:30 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/05/introduction-to-at-and-t/ | May 20 03:30 |
| schestowitz | gn | May 20 03:31 |
| gn | May 20 03:34 | |
| he misses the whole Open Spectrum issue, though. | May 20 03:34 | |
| With Open Spectrum, no one will need wires. | May 20 03:34 | |
| ATT and others would largely vanish. Too bad. | May 20 03:35 | |
| http://www.reed.com/OpenSpectrum/ It's what the public deserves. | May 20 03:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5lSf30iq08 | May 20 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | These credit card companies are unscrupulous bastards | May 20 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | they have like 12 pages of fine print legalese that you'd have to be a lawyer to understand | May 20 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I took a stack of junk mail to the post office about a month ago and filled out forms stating I found each piece to be sexually explicit | May 20 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | sounds weird but the supreme court ruled that if I find a credit card ad to be sexually explicit, they have to stop sending them | May 20 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | or pay a $5,000 fine per letter | May 20 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | heh, Foresight | May 20 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | you're joking | May 20 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | their repository is missing a lot of stuff | May 20 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | and it's impossible to fidn any packages outside of it | May 20 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | I never understood why the same universities that practically force students to buy Windows and Office host Linux distributions | May 20 04:34 |
| Heh, San Jose Mercury News. That's one of the papers the Gates Foundation bought. No surprise it's going to a pay version and down the drain. | May 20 04:44 | |
| Universities often do force students to buy Windoze. LSU, for example, wasted more than $500,000 of tech fee money making sure students could download Windows and Office. It was a very unpopular move. | May 20 04:45 | |
| Several servers hosted GNU/Linux distributions because they could. | May 20 04:46 | |
| DaemonFC | I love Fixed News......."Now you will have to PAY us to read our paranoid delusion right wing crap!!!", you can almost hear Rupert Murdoch's assistant saying "Uh sir, half our audience lives in trailers and spent all the money they do have on guns after Obama was elected" | May 20 04:46 |
| and the IT staff was quickly taking up various flavors for their own server and desktop news. | May 20 04:46 | |
| Fox News can keep what they publish. | May 20 04:47 | |
| DaemonFC | sounds worse than the "parking permit" they make you buy that doesn't guarantee you a spor | May 20 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | *spot | May 20 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | Fox News will never go paid because they already are well paid, by Microsoft and the Republican Party | May 20 04:48 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Some of your RSS feed is broken | May 20 05:49 |
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| An expert in the other Vista demonstrates safety techniques. http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/293333.php | May 20 06:32 | |
| ick. | May 20 06:32 | |
| “Their arrows are sharp, all their bows are strung; their horses’ hoofs seem like flint, their chariot wheels are like a whirlwind.” | May 20 06:34 | |
| http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/18/us/18rumsfeld.html?_r=2 | May 20 06:36 | |
| its seems the originals were even more extraneous. | May 20 06:37 | |
| eeeks, it was a "crusade" | May 20 06:37 | |
| "Their wells are brimming with treasure that will soon be ours and we fatten ourselves in preparation," might be more appropriate. | May 20 06:40 | |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | May 20 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | We are never going to hear the end of this | May 20 06:52 |
| *DaemonFC bangs head on desk | May 20 06:52 | |
| tessier | eh? | May 20 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | looks like this movie is banned in the United States | May 20 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | so I'll just have to torrent it | May 20 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | I think they have an English dubbed version | May 20 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | thats how shit gets banned here | May 20 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | the government just off-the-record tells distributors not to distribute it | May 20 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | they can't outlaw it, but if they effectively control all media outlets, they don't have to | May 20 07:00 |
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| kentma1 | censorship is a nasty thing, really. | May 20 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Geez | May 20 09:17 |
| schestowitz | So many personal attacks on me in an article about the site | May 20 09:17 |
| schestowitz | And Linux Today Editor says she caught Novell.com IPs post their attacks on me anonymously | May 20 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes different nicks from the very same IPs | May 20 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Nice to know that Novell employees too are behind the smears | May 20 09:18 |
| schestowitz | brb | May 20 09:22 |
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 20 09:28:46 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | May 20 09:28 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | May 20 09:28 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Oct 5 19:20:28 2008 | May 20 09:28 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | May 20 09:28 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | May 20 09:29 | |
| DaemonFC | The FSF is also linking to a site promoting Vista | May 20 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | and I have money in my account | May 20 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | time to go raid Walmart | May 20 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | brb | May 20 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | due to some really outrageous emergencies, technical difficulties beyond my control, and a generally very fucked up month | May 20 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | I ended the month with 58 CENTS in the bank | May 20 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | and I am out of _everything_ | May 20 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | so time to go stock up | May 20 09:32 |
| schestowitz | May 20 09:03:34 <schestowitz>brb | May 20 09:33 |
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| schestowitz | May 20 09:07:15 <MinceR>r4wr | May 20 09:33 |
| schestowitz | May 20 09:08:06 <DaemonFC>schestowitz: I notice that Microsoft is rounding up drivers for Windows 7 this time | May 20 09:33 |
| schestowitz | May 20 09:08:35 <DaemonFC>this 7127 build has enough drivers that I have wifi from the start | May 20 09:33 |
| schestowitz | May 20 09:08:39 <DaemonFC>and no unrecognized hardware | May 20 09:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's bull | May 20 09:33 |
| schestowitz | About MS | May 20 09:33 |
| schestowitz | And the drivers | May 20 09:33 |
| schestowitz | Besides, Linux has that too | May 20 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | well yeah | May 20 09:33 |
| schestowitz | And we don't talk about Windows here | May 20 09:34 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's relevant to Linux | May 20 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | heh, I followed a link from the FSF | May 20 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | to a site that lists games infected with SecuROM | May 20 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't see how they didn't notice the positive reviews of Vista on the same site | May 20 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | could they not have copied over the lists? | May 20 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | actually, not positive reviews so much as apologizing for it and blaming hardware | May 20 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ | May 20 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | bottom right hand corner click the "Games infected by securom" link | May 20 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | then on the right side of that page "Optimizing Vista" | May 20 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 09:38 |
| schestowitz | Enough about Vista | May 20 09:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Does Not Think it Will Buy a Company Like Novell at This Point < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/no-microsoft-novell-at-this-point/ > | May 20 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Why would they? | May 20 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | when most of the dominant distros are infecting themselves? | May 20 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe at a later stage | May 20 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Windows has its problems | May 20 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Remember SCOSource | May 20 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is a company, if they would make more money by buying Novell than to leave it alone | May 20 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | they'd buy them | May 20 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft would rather set up a feudal system | May 20 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | of patent royalties | May 20 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | wherein they are the lord that takes some of the commoners milk | May 20 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | then when the regulators come along they can say "Look at all our competitors" | May 20 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 10:20 |
| schestowitz | For servers at the least MS might need Linux | May 20 10:20 |
| schestowitz | MS already uses Linux servers | May 20 10:20 |
| schestowitz | They could make a 'better' Linux | May 20 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, MS isn't evil, they're pragmatic | May 20 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | and they don't exactly care who they hurt | May 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | I.e. take Red Hat, add MS-patented secret code to ot | May 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Then sell it for more to crush Red Hat | May 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: we shall see.. | May 20 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | in Dungeons & Dragons speak, I'd call Microsoft a True Neutral | May 20 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | break the law if it benefits you | May 20 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | rape and plunder if it benefits you | May 20 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | but never without reason | May 20 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | right now they have no reason to go about brutishly burning down the villages | May 20 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | (Linux distros) | May 20 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | when they can co-opt and milk some of them | May 20 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | if I had to guess who will go next, it would be Ubuntu | May 20 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat was adamant about not bringing patents into their deal or paying MS money or taking bribes | May 20 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was pushed into that by customers who were about to stage a revolt | May 20 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva has flat out said Hell No | May 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: please say more about RSS being broken | May 20 10:25 |
| schestowitz | I cannot detect an issue | May 20 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | Mark Shuttleworth has already stated he'd like to work with Microsoft | May 20 10:25 |
| schestowitz | What happened? | May 20 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't doubt Ubuntu is next | May 20 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | hold on | May 20 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | I may be able to screenshot it | May 20 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | May 20 10:25 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why it would break | May 20 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | oh I know why | May 20 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | I think | May 20 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Go ahead.. | May 20 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | get ready for a bigass paste | May 20 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/13/gentoo-gnu-linux-at-schools/ Line Number 5, Column 98:<video src="http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/maine-school-gentoo.ogg" controls><br /> | May 20 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 20 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... | May 20 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Which URL? | May 20 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Or which RSS reader? | May 20 10:26 |
| schestowitz | I want to reproduce the error | May 20 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/13/gentoo-gnu-linux-at-schools/ | May 20 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | NewsFox | May 20 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | on Seamonkey 2.0 nightly | May 20 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Wow. | May 20 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it hates video tags? | May 20 10:27 |
| schestowitz | In FF it shows it as video attachment | May 20 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | XML Parsing Error: not well-formed Location: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/firefox-gets-new-icon/ Line Number 291, Column 122:<video src="http://www.archive.org/download/e-dv257_berkeley_02_weber_008.ogg/e-dv257_berkeley_02_weber_008.ogv" controls><br /> | May 20 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 20 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Oh well.. | May 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | definitely the video tags are messing it up | May 20 10:28 |
| schestowitz | it also won't validate as XHTML | May 20 10:28 |
| schestowitz | But we must give Oggs | May 20 10:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks a lot | May 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | yep | May 20 10:28 |
| schestowitz | At least I know it messes some things up | May 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | by itself Seamonkey has no RSS reader | May 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | it can detect feeds | May 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | dunno about Firefox, if you can believe it I've gone this long ignoring RSS | May 20 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | I get used to a program, I like how it works, and then they change it, I can't stand that | May 20 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 10:29 |
| schestowitz | OK, thanks | May 20 10:30 |
| *schestowitz about to link to your IE analyses | May 20 10:30 | |
| schestowitz | Hold on. | May 20 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | IE is some piece of work | May 20 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | hardly any improvement over 10 years ago | May 20 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | tabs and RSS | May 20 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo | May 20 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why the mass migration from IE is taking this long | May 20 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | that's easy enough to get away from even if you stay on Windows | May 20 10:31 |
| schestowitz | They mass-feed it | May 20 10:32 |
| schestowitz | One minute... | May 20 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, Microsoft was ridiculing tabs and RSS, and Mozilla, and everything for like forever | May 20 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | before they copycatted all that | May 20 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | if they hadn't made IE into a bastardized Firefox, it wouldn't have even as many users as it does | May 20 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | I probably should have mentioned the Zone Model | May 20 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's been truly horrific since 1997 | May 20 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | and the leading cause of IE security exploits | May 20 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Big Strides for Free Software in the Browsers War < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/free-software-in-the-browsers-war/ > | May 20 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: IE 8 can still run (MS)HTML Applications | May 20 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | which is truly disturbing | May 20 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | an HTA can use any facility that IE's rendering engine can give it with no security precautions and unrestricted access to any part of the computer | May 20 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | in otherwords it runs in the Local Computer Zone (still there after 12 years) and Protected Mode Off | May 20 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft uses them for a WGA validation | May 20 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | if you download shit from their site | May 20 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | essentially this is what Mozilla Prism does, only Mozilla treats the Prism "application" as any other untrusted web page | May 20 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | like it should | May 20 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | HTA's are dangerous and I'm surprised that they haven't been used to form more malware than they have | May 20 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | so in a bizarre reversal of the norm, Mozilla actually copied a Microsoft feature, but implemented it correctly :P | May 20 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | the norm being of course Microsoft implementing Firefox stuff incorrectly | May 20 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Black Duck to Promote Microsoft/Windows-only Code < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/black-duck-microsoft-code/ > | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, Microsoft keeps its WIndows-only or Office-only Web. | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | That is something they got nailed for in antitrust | May 20 10:44 |
| schestowitz | It's a deliberate design choice to harm competition | May 20 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They market IE 8 as standards compliant | May 20 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | but go down the list of like "List of rendering engines by CSS" on Wikipedia | May 20 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | and see all the major implementation gaps, or stuff that's 10 years old and *just* landed in IE 8 | May 20 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of it is incorrectly supported even | May 20 10:47 |
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| tacone | the mono crusade on linux today | May 20 11:03 |
| schestowitz | \0/ | May 20 11:03 |
| *schestowitz makes Mono post | May 20 11:05 | |
| schestowitz | In 3 parts | May 20 11:05 |
| tacone | impressive | May 20 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://theyesmen.org/ | May 20 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 20 11:06 |
| tacone | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/making-microsoft-nicer-through-patents.ars | May 20 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | May 20 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | is there a torrent of that book? | May 20 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not buying a book from Microsoft on why they'll be nicer | May 20 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | is that anything like "Why I Was Wrong" by Jim Bakker? | May 20 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Phelps goes out of his way to include a lengthy account—even though he admits it may be apocryphal—of a time when Stallman convinced Red Hat to buy him a plane ticket so that he could visit an estranged girlfriend. In return, Stallman gave a speech at Red Hat's campus "in his long white robe and foot-long beard" wearing "a halo made out of a large old disk-drive platter."" | May 20 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | lmfao! | May 20 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | nice | May 20 11:12 |
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| DaemonFC | "And then the company lost a patent case to Eolas and had to pay $521 million in damages." | May 20 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | I remember that | May 20 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | which is why for a while all IE ActiveX plugins made you click on them | May 20 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | to activate them | May 20 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | which also doubled as a reasonably good ad blocker | May 20 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 20 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's also why sometimes in Linux even, you'll see a flash applet in Firefox or Konqueror or whatever | May 20 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | that says "Click here to activate and use this plugin" | May 20 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | old code left over from Internet Explorer 6 years ago | May 20 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's a tooltip that may pop up if you mouse over | May 20 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Proud of Digital Colonialism in Africa < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/microsoft-colonialism-in-africa/ > | May 20 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | I thought that was humorous | May 20 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | apparently Bill Gates didn't like the Novell deal | May 20 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | but was overruled | May 20 11:18 |
| schestowitz | This book is old news | May 20 11:18 |
| schestowitz | It's propaganda | May 20 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Ignore it for now | May 20 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | That Eolas lawsuit was funny though | May 20 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 20 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | so thanks to that some cruft meant for Internet Explorer 6 ends up in Linux web browsers | May 20 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | via Flash and Java | May 20 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think they'd remove that crap, but then again, Flash on Linux has so many problems that that's not worth knit picking about | May 20 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | the whole missing Flash plugin for X86-64 (2004) to nspluginwrapper which was unofficial (2006?) to a half-functional 64-bit plugin in late 2008 | May 20 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Bart shouts "Well maybe if you weren't half-assing this!!!" Homer says "Hey, I'm using my WHOLE ass!" | May 20 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | Adobe is really only truly concentrating on a working Flash plugin for Windows or Mac | May 20 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | every once in a while they spit out a new Linux build that's no better than the last one | May 20 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | and if you want it to work right on FreeBSD you need to be running the testing branch of FreeBSD 8 with the Linuxulator built in and use the Linux Firefox | May 20 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's one of the problems with Debian, their desktop environment depends on the swfdec Mozilla plugin | May 20 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | you have to unmark the "gnome" package as a metapackage, thus creating dozens of orphaned packages without it marking them orphans to get rid of it | May 20 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | I never did understand why some Linux distros insist on marking optional packages as mandatory for the desktop as a whole | May 20 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | Yum is so much more sane about this than Apt is because there are no metapackages, they're just marked as applying to a "group" | May 20 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Oh crap | May 20 11:30 |
| schestowitz | I think we're attacked again | May 20 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | May 20 11:30 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I think they attack again. | May 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | DDOS has just resumed. *sigh* here they go again. | May 20 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, that Mono Crusade thing repeats what I said all along | May 20 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | why do they have the entire mono runtime to support Tomboy and F-Spot? | May 20 11:33 |
| schestowitz | load average: 78.61, 30.12, 11.70 | May 20 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | Tomboy isn't even all that great | May 20 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | 40 megs of RAM idle | May 20 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | if you sacrificed all the RAM it takes to run Windows 2000, Tomboy couldn't remind you to pick up milk and bread | May 20 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Is gnote any lighter on system resources? | May 20 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 20 11:38 |
| schestowitz | A lot lighter | May 20 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Anyway... | May 20 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Kylin: New Chinese Operating System < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/kylin_new_chine.html > | May 20 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | Hacked By Chinese! | May 20 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | sorry, had to | May 20 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Linux is not Windows... Desktop Linux: it ain't a better Windows < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25120/1148/ > | May 20 11:44 |
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| DaemonFC | it can play Vorbis | May 20 11:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: #boycottnovell-social | May 20 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo! murders unborn Java smartphone app < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/20/yahoo_kills_mobile_java_potal/ > | May 20 11:48 |
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| mtnd3w | g | May 20 12:06 |
| mtnd3w | good morning... | May 20 12:07 |
| _Hicham_ | good morning | May 20 12:07 |
| mtnd3w | BoycottNovell is DoS'd again? | May 20 12:07 |
| _Hicham_ | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/OpenSUSE | May 20 12:09 |
| schestowitz | yes | May 20 12:10 |
| tacone | uh ? | May 20 12:10 |
| tacone | right now ? | May 20 12:10 |
| tacone | works for me | May 20 12:10 |
| _Hicham_ | who created uncyclopedia schestowitz? | May 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | I dunno | May 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | I wrote a lot of Ubuntu's article last year | May 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | and about 90% of the iTunes one | May 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ubuntu | May 20 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 20 12:13 |
| mtnd3w | http://www.pcworld.com/article/165179/boycott_novell_site_suffers_ddos_attack.html | May 20 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | the Mark Shuttleworth as Cthulhu idea was mine | May 20 12:13 |
| tacone | reading now | May 20 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | "it was rewritten mainly in LOLcode to encourage more community involvement in the development process. " | May 20 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 12:14 |
| tacone | mtnd3w: pcworld is part of idg like computerworld | May 20 12:14 |
| tacone | once a news get to one, gets to the other | May 20 12:14 |
| mtnd3w | wish i could help, but i don't know anything about security | May 20 12:14 |
| tacone | If you think I'm pro-Linux and hard on Microsoft, you haven't been reading Roy Schestowitz, who makes me look as mild as a May day. | May 20 12:14 |
| schestowitz | tacone: still under attack | May 20 12:14 |
| mtnd3w | tacone, oh ok | May 20 12:14 |
| schestowitz | tacone: : #boycottnovell-social | May 20 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | also the IE 6 as the default Ubuntu browser, on loan from Microsoft | May 20 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think that was my best idea for the article | May 20 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Itunes | May 20 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | grrovin' Hitler | May 20 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 12:17 |
| _Hicham_ | I admit that you have a lot of creativity | May 20 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 12:17 |
| mtnd3w | when did the attacks first start? | May 20 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Solaris_(Operating_System) | May 20 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | wrote this from scratch | May 20 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Internet_Explorer | May 20 12:22 |
| schestowitz | mtnd3w: you tell me. | May 20 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | (not mine, but funny) | May 20 12:22 |
| schestowitz | It's like asking, who is behind it? had we known, we'd be able to take more effective action. But let's not talk about it in this channel | May 20 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Uncyclux | May 20 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | small parts of that are mine | May 20 12:24 |
| mtnd3w | ok | May 20 12:24 |
| *DaemonFC loves Uncyclopedia | May 20 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-19-029-35-OS-CY-GN | May 20 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | .Net is slow and horrible enough on Windows | May 20 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | with the real version of it | May 20 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Is La Toya Jackson a Prime Number? < http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7335/ > | May 20 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's even worse with Mono | May 20 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Eye-catching funny headline | May 20 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What really makes .Net dangerous is that it's so easy for idiots to write buggy programs that look usefull | May 20 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Java is the same | May 20 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | I about took out my system trying to burn a DVD with an app written in C# | May 20 12:29 |
| schestowitz | In that regard | May 20 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | when it ran me out of RAM | May 20 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | I won't use .Net applications even on Windows | May 20 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | and there are a fair number of users which agree totally | May 20 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | so why anyone would port a second rate .Net to Linux is anyones guess | May 20 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | or why anyone would defend such a thing | May 20 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | with the amount of effort it takes to write a proper C# app, you could have done it in Python or JAVA and the results still couldn't have been worse | May 20 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with a language where garbage collection is done for you is that if the garbage collector sucks, you can still hemorrhage system resources as bad as even the worst C++ app | May 20 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | it has kind of been my understanding that C# applications were never meant for heavy I/O and tossing around tends of gigabytes of data | May 20 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | but that's what you see people trying to do | May 20 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | *tens | May 20 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | easy to understand languages all come at the price of what you can do with them and how efficiently | May 20 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm no great fan of JAVA either | May 20 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | Java's downfall was when Sun tried to write an entire operating system on top of the operating system | May 20 12:35 |
| tacone | something that android did. | May 20 12:35 |
| tacone | that's one of the reasons android is interesting to oem | May 20 12:36 |
| tacone | is easier to put their hands on. | May 20 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | Well, that's why MS Java was so much faster | May 20 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows Foundation Class | May 20 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | if Sun had done that for every OS Java ran on | May 20 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | there wouldn't have been a demand for Microsoft's | May 20 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Moblin looks pretty nifty: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=moblin_v2_ui&num=1 | May 20 12:37 |
| _Hicham_ | Java isn't free yet | May 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Better than that old Xfce GUI | May 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: There is no Java downfall | May 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | It's #1 languagee | May 20 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | too slow, too unnatural | May 20 12:38 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do you support Java? | May 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: FUD | May 20 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | every Java app that tries to feel right still feels wrong | May 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | We don't need that | May 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, I do | May 20 12:38 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not free | May 20 12:38 |
| _Hicham_ | I prefer Python | May 20 12:39 |
| _Hicham_ | Python is at the heart of Linux distros now | May 20 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | meh, the dying act of a company that tried to stay proprietary is usually to open source it way too late to do any good | May 20 12:39 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not 100% open source | May 20 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | the time to open source Java was 2001 | May 20 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | not 2009 | May 20 12:40 |
| schestowitz | 2007 | May 20 12:40 |
| _Hicham_ | and it is not yet open source | May 20 12:41 |
| _Hicham_ | and OpenJDK is still too slow | May 20 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's questionable of when Java 7 will ship | May 20 12:41 |
| _Hicham_ | no one knows | May 20 12:41 |
| _Hicham_ | since it is Oracle | May 20 12:41 |
| _Hicham_ | but for sure, things are gonna speed up | May 20 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has 'branches' for abusing the Indian people... http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Infosys_CEO_on_the_economy_Microsoft_and_outsourcing45453827.html | May 20 12:42 |
| _Hicham_ | since Oracle relies a lot on Java | May 20 12:42 |
| _Hicham_ | but it is gonna be more closed source for sure | May 20 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Java | May 20 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Defender slows hard disk access times by a whopping 54% | May 20 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000803.html | May 20 12:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's a MS blog | May 20 13:00 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't pay attention to it | May 20 13:00 |
| schestowitz | MSFTEr blog ratehr | May 20 13:01 |
| _Hicham_ | http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/6/6b/Vistabsod.png | May 20 13:03 |
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| DiabloD3 | Hey Roy, can't you do anything about these damned attacks? | May 20 13:03 |
| DiabloD3 | Your new host seems to be doing shit for you. | May 20 13:04 |
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| DiabloD3 | oh, and http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2009/05/20/boycott-novell-attacks-itself-to-get-attention | May 20 13:04 |
| DiabloD3 | I think your troll failed you | May 20 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Sod off, troll. Are you the attacker? | May 20 13:05 |
| schestowitz | You show up here one minute after the attacks begin | May 20 13:05 |
| DiabloD3 | Paranoid much? | May 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | You hate the site, you come to troll here | May 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | You also link to libel | May 20 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah... I'm attacking myself and screwing my while week. Great logic there. | May 20 13:07 |
| DiabloD3 | Why the fuck would I waste my time attacking your site? | May 20 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you should study from the lofs | May 20 13:07 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3: do you know who's behind it? | May 20 13:07 |
| DiabloD3 | pretty much everyone on the net thinks you did it | May 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | On Sunday you came here 1 minute or so after the attacks began on the new IP | May 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3: because you spread libel | May 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Did Novell.com IPs apread this libel? | May 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Huh? | May 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Like the libel that Novell.com IPs spread in LinuxToday? | May 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Huh? | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they should nymshift some more to pretend it's many people | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Sockpuppets | May 20 13:09 |
| DiabloD3 | dude, you troll constantly., why would anyone believe anything you say? | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Doon't escape the question | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | You got kicked from here for trolling before | May 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | We never kick anyone | May 20 13:10 |
| DiabloD3 | Uh-huh. | May 20 13:10 |
| DiabloD3 | So, are you accusing me of being a shill for Novell or Microsoft? | May 20 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Whatever you are, you troll us in IRC | May 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Got anything constructive to add? | May 20 13:13 |
| DiabloD3 | you troll the FOSS community on IRC, the web, and everywhere else. | May 20 13:13 |
| DiabloD3 | Why do you do this? | May 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Why paste libel here? | May 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | SJVN got a copy of the logs from the admin | May 20 13:14 |
| DiabloD3 | You keep using that word, but I don't think you know what it means. | May 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | To 'troll' someone I'd have to step in their house | May 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | If we are all here discussing an issue like a former MS employee attacking FOSS, that is NOT trolling. | May 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | troll is a person who seeks only to engage in an online discussion to agravate | May 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | I try to inform | May 20 13:15 |
| DiabloD3 | Do you have any proof of this actually happening? Do you have any proof of Novell being an attack vector used by Microsoft to destroy Linux? | May 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Not to annoy anyone | May 20 13:15 |
| DiabloD3 | All I've ever seen you do is repeat the same things over and over, but never provide any actual proof | May 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | If people are annoyed by information, too bad. | May 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | It is, not literally | May 20 13:16 |
| DiabloD3 | If there is any libel, its from you.... you've directly harmed Novell's income stream, and you've also attacked FOSS companies who use Novell products. | May 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Novell harms Linux in many ways | May 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Fact. | May 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Novell also helps Linux in many ways | May 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Fact. | May 20 13:16 |
| DiabloD3 | Fact? PROVE IT. | May 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | But we present poof | May 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Proof | May 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | many external links | May 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | I won't start explaining from the start because it's pointless | May 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm sorry if I "harmed Novell's income stream" | May 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | I didn't take money from them | May 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | I wrote my opinions down in a Web site | May 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | That's called freedom of speech | May 20 13:17 |
| DiabloD3 | and I've written my opinions down on the internet, yet you've claimed I'm trolling | May 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm not calling for hate or blowing up cars like some protesters | May 20 13:17 |
| DiabloD3 | thats a double standard | May 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3: do you know who carried out this attack? | May 20 13:18 |
| schestowitz | You can here immediately after it had begun | May 20 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Which to me made you suspect | May 20 13:18 |
| schestowitz | As though you were hawking the site waiting for it to go AWOL | May 20 13:18 |
| DiabloD3 | someone told me to go look at it, it was down. | May 20 13:19 |
| DiabloD3 | and no, I'm not going to say who, you'll just go harass them | May 20 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Which forum? | May 20 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Mailing list? | May 20 13:19 |
| schestowitz | IRC? | May 20 13:19 |
| schestowitz | #opensuse? | May 20 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | wb, oiaohm | May 20 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Hi schestowitz | May 20 13:21 |
| DiabloD3 | no, just a small IRC channel on another network | May 20 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Which channel? Malicious hackers? | May 20 13:21 |
| DiabloD3 | a pro-C# related channel. | May 20 13:22 |
| tacone | so why are you here DiabloD3 ? | May 20 13:22 |
| DiabloD3 | tacone: I asked Roy why he can't deal with the attack, he has yet to answer me | May 20 13:22 |
| schestowitz | This is crime, DaemonFC | May 20 13:23 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3: | May 20 13:24 |
| tacone | is that of interest for you ? | May 20 13:24 |
| schestowitz | <DiabloD3> tacone: I asked Roy why he can't deal with the attack, he has yet to answer me | May 20 13:24 |
| tacone | you want to help ? :) | May 20 13:24 |
| schestowitz | WT heck does that mean? | May 20 13:24 |
| *benJIman giggles at the scrollback. This is better than TV. | May 20 13:24 | |
| DiabloD3 | schestowitz: you seem to be 100% unable to run a website on your own | May 20 13:24 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3=hanging out in C# channels | May 20 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Fact | May 20 13:24 |
| tacone | DiabloD3: so what ? i miss the point. | May 20 13:24 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3=coming here saying "haha" when an attack on BN launched | May 20 13:24 |
| DiabloD3 | I use wordpress, I've been on slashdot's front page and digg's front page at the same time and nothing slowed down at all, let alone stopped | May 20 13:25 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3: = Says he heard about the attack in a pro-C# channel | May 20 13:25 |
| DiabloD3 | yet BN goes down when someone sneezes | May 20 13:25 |
| schestowitz | c#=Novell|Microsoft and partners | May 20 13:25 |
| DiabloD3 | so I think you really are behind the attacks | May 20 13:25 |
| tacone | not really. being digged is different | May 20 13:25 |
| tacone | a cache is sufficent to deal with diggs | May 20 13:26 |
| DiabloD3 | having about 150 hits a second _is_ different... its more than what BN got hit with | May 20 13:26 |
| tacone | that's not really the case for DOS | May 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3: don't be a prick. This is DDOS | May 20 13:26 |
| DiabloD3 | and I was only using wp-cache, I didnt use a reverse proxy cache infront of the httpd | May 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3> schestowitz: you seem to be 100% unable to run a website on your own | May 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | When it's under DDOS | May 20 13:26 |
| tacone | well not really. as it wasn't just webpages requests | May 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | I guess it also makes Cafepress a bunch of loser | May 20 13:27 |
| schestowitz | For not coping with a Windows botnet | May 20 13:27 |
| DiabloD3 | the ddos, from your blog entry, is just a bunch of webpage requests. | May 20 13:27 |
| tacone | i agree on the cache. but boycottnovell doesn't run just wordpress. | May 20 13:27 |
| DiabloD3 | tacone: I use mediawiki in other places, its not a problem either | May 20 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My dad's OpenSuse system had a hard disk crash :P | May 20 13:27 |
| oiaohm | ddos attacks create load equal to about 100 times the number of connects done DiabloD3 | May 20 13:28 |
| tacone | DiabloD3: did those places get slashdotted/digged etc ? guess not. | May 20 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | I took the opportunity to put Fedora on the new one | May 20 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | and move over what I could salvage | May 20 13:28 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: DiabloD3 is a troll | May 20 13:28 |
| oiaohm | So in compare being slashdoted would ahve been light. | May 20 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Came from c# channel to laugh at us for being attacked | May 20 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Just to give you perspective (you came un recently) | May 20 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact here do you want dos attacks against mono and other projects DiabloD3 | May 20 13:29 |
| *tacone likes trolls | May 20 13:29 | |
| DaemonFC | maybe we should go to the C# channel to laugh at them and offer them an upgrade to Visual Basic | May 20 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Anyone who dare does a ddos attack desevers to be hunted down and killed DiabloD3 | May 20 13:29 |
| oiaohm | They are the crap of the it world. | May 20 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Some unnamed dude from a c# channel claims he heard about the attacks on BN as soon as they began. | May 20 13:29 |
| oiaohm | It the attack on boycottnovell only effected boycottnovell would be one thing. | May 20 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Simple case other non releated sites were effected the attacker is either incompetent or scum bag. DiabloD3. | May 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I switched over to ClamWin after all | May 20 13:31 |
| DiabloD3 | oiaohm: which is not my problem | May 20 13:31 |
| DiabloD3 | Im not behind the attack | May 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | those damned real time scanners kill your disk performance | May 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 13:31 |
| tacone | for what is worth, i believe DiabloD3 not being behind the attack | May 20 13:31 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : do u use ClamWin as your primary AV? | May 20 13:32 |
| schestowitz | tacone: maybe he knows who might be | May 20 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | meh, might as well | May 20 13:32 |
| schestowitz | In which case he's a bit of an accomploce by knowledge | May 20 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | if I have any good reason to suspect something I can upload it to Virus Total | May 20 13:32 |
| schestowitz | He sure endorses the attacks | May 20 13:32 |
| DiabloD3 | schestowitz: I suggest you ask your lawyer first before you continue down this path. | May 20 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Nope | May 20 13:32 |
| schestowitz | You justified them days ago | May 20 13:33 |
| DiabloD3 | I'm not against any method that removes large scale trolls from the FOSS community | May 20 13:33 |
| schestowitz | And lawyers don't receive complaints from a "Mr. DiabloD3" from some unknown IP | May 20 13:33 |
| DiabloD3 | however, that doesn't make me an accomplice | May 20 13:33 |
| oiaohm | DiabloD3: thing to be aware of some ddos attackers are ego manics. So any prase or justification for what they did. By anywhere can cause more destruction DiabloD3. | May 20 13:33 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : what do u use Vista for? | May 20 13:34 |
| oiaohm | To other targets they choose. | May 20 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | games mainly | May 20 13:34 |
| oiaohm | So if the same manic that attacked boycottnovel comes after mono how happy are you going to be DiabloD3. | May 20 13:34 |
| tacone | DiabloD3: welcome to the 2009. a time where everyone dares to speak | May 20 13:34 |
| oiaohm | You cannot have you cake and eat it to. | May 20 13:34 |
| _Hicham_ | your games do not run with wine? | May 20 13:34 |
| DiabloD3 | tacone: yet, I dare to speak against Roy, and I'm the bad guy | May 20 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | uhhh, quite a few do, several more if I start copying over real Microsoft dlls | May 20 13:35 |
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| DaemonFC | :( | May 20 13:35 |
| tacone | and roy dares to speak against C#. what a bad guy also | May 20 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Speek against Roy you are fine to. But just don't justify method of using ddos ever. Or any other attack. DiabloD3 | May 20 13:35 |
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| oiaohm | There are some methods that are just not the way to do things. | May 20 13:36 |
| tacone | did the computerworld blog post got you all angry that much ? | May 20 13:36 |
| oiaohm | They just bring destruction. | May 20 13:36 |
| tacone | repeating the dos is just plain coward. and claiming it was self-inflicted won't bring you any credibility | May 20 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what kind of rational person could want to do this | May 20 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like anyone forces them to read BN | May 20 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Have someone rip you articals logical to bits would be self-inflicted. | May 20 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Most of the attackers don't do that. There are serious questions with mono distribution that novell has never put to rest. | May 20 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Like can a distribution even ship Novell provided binaries. | May 20 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Without being at risk of patent issues. | May 20 13:38 |
| tacone | like what will happen in 2012 | May 20 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | Miguel De Icaza answered that one | May 20 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | actually | May 20 13:39 |
| oiaohm | About time DiabloD3 you go back to mono and get the answers. Roy would lose the major reason to attack mono if documents proving there was no patent liablity could be produced. | May 20 13:40 |
| tacone | what did he say ? | May 20 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | to the tune of "Errrr, I don't know, go ask Microsoft if you can" | May 20 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | that should tell you all you need to know | May 20 13:40 |
| oiaohm | It was really a no answer. | May 20 13:40 |
| tacone | is c# totally under the ECMA also ? seems like MS relaxed seeking standardization after a while | May 20 13:40 |
| tacone | c# is very likely to have out-of-ecma bits | May 20 13:40 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3: you got kicked for coming here insulting us and gloating about the DDOS attack on us | May 20 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | not all of C# is ECMA | May 20 13:41 |
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| DaemonFC | and you need some bits that are not part of the "standard" to be Microsoft compatible | May 20 13:41 |
| tacone | would be interesting to know how much those bits are necessary to make moonlight work | May 20 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | in theory the ECMA parts are safe | May 20 13:42 |
| tacone | lol, nice picture | May 20 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | but the ones that Microsoft never standardized or licensed | May 20 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | are dangerous | May 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not true | May 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | It's not ZRAND | May 20 13:42 |
| DiabloD3 | I believe any MS-PL licensed stuff is also safe | May 20 13:42 |
| tacone | hey, you can watch playboy on linux ! | May 20 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Nop DiabloD3 | May 20 13:42 |
| tacone | isn't it worth monopoly ? | May 20 13:42 |
| oiaohm | There is no patent clearence in MS-PL | May 20 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Instead there is a clause in the reverse. | May 20 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Have you not even read the licence DiabloD3. | May 20 13:43 |
| DiabloD3 | Yes | May 20 13:43 |
| DiabloD3 | I also know its considered offically Open Source | May 20 13:43 |
| DiabloD3 | just think: Microsoft writes FOSS. | May 20 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | MS-PL software is free | May 20 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | but not GPL compatible | May 20 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Open Source does not mean it is patent clear. | May 20 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Just freetype feature of its code required a patent to use. | May 20 13:44 |
| oiaohm | It had nice opt in and opt out configure switch. | May 20 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Public License (Ms-PL) | May 20 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | This is a free software license; it has a copyleft that is not strong, but incompatible with the GNU GPL. We urge you not to use the Ms-PL for this reason. | May 20 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses | May 20 13:44 |
| tacone | microsoft went into opensource because it now believes it can ask money with patents | May 20 13:44 |
| DiabloD3 | yes, and I don't care what the FSF says, they're much like BN is but not as fanatical about it | May 20 13:45 |
| DiabloD3 | being OSI approved is enough for me | May 20 13:45 |
| oiaohm | DiabloD3: any one who knows licencing would never bring open source claim to a possiable patent problem. | May 20 13:45 |
| tacone | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/making-microsoft-nicer-through-patents.ars | May 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | the OSI recognizez the Shared Source license | May 20 13:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/the-dollar-crisis-inflation-or-deflation-2009-5# | May 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | as open source | May 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | give me a break | May 20 13:45 |
| tacone | going offline. bye | May 20 13:46 |
| schestowitz | cya | May 20 13:46 |
| schestowitz | OSI has some bad licences | May 20 13:46 |
| schestowitz | With patents | May 20 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Even worse mono classes any rom usage as not covered by GPL. | May 20 13:47 |
| oiaohm | So in theory since livecd are not changable are also a breach. | May 20 13:47 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of issues around mono licencing and patents that are nice shades of grey. | May 20 13:48 |
| oiaohm | It would be nice if mono would take the time to write a white paper and put all these problems to bed once and for all. | May 20 13:48 |
| DiabloD3 | except BN is the only group trying to point out a so called problem | May 20 13:49 |
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| oiaohm | Does not make BN wrong. | May 20 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Like AMD trying to put out Intel was bending the market. | May 20 13:50 |
| DiabloD3 | no, being unable to prove it legally makes you wrong | May 20 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Asking questions is not illegal. | May 20 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Complaining about lack of answers is not illegal. | May 20 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Comparing prior cases to predict future ones are not illegal either DiabloD3. | May 20 13:53 |
| oiaohm | MS has already applied a patent case against a company using GPL2 licenced code like mono's. | May 20 13:53 |
| oiaohm | So why should we expect something different to happen in the future DiabloD3. | May 20 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Do you still say we are not allowed to be annoyed with mono lack of answers. | May 20 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 15-minutes downtime for Google News is 'news' now? Weird. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/20/google_out_again/ | May 20 13:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: he hasn't answers | May 20 13:59 |
| schestowitz | neither do Mono people | May 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | I asked Miguel | May 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | He told me that nobody knows enough about TomTom | May 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Something along those lies | May 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | IOW, he sort of changed the subject | May 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't want to answer the question directly | May 20 14:00 |
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| oiaohm | The complete attack on mono could be stoped dead with a white paper laying out if its harmless or not. And where not harmless what causes it to be harmful to supplier or user. | May 20 14:02 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, congrats | May 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | What? | May 20 14:03 |
| trmanco | you've been blogged in computerworld | May 20 14:03 |
| trmanco | :-P | May 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/165179/boycott_novell_site_suffers_ddos_attack.html | May 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I think we all heard this new before... again and again: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137412/microsoft-unveil-revamped-search-engine Microsoft to unveil revamped search engine | May 20 14:04 |
| oiaohm | DiabloD3: AMD had to wait 8 years of having evidence proving there case to get a ruling in the EU. The case in the USA has not even got before a Judge. | May 20 14:04 |
| schestowitz | It was almost | May 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Around the OLPC sabotage | May 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Related to NickN | May 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | But justice there is even slower | May 20 14:05 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.computerworld.com/burying_the_truth_boycott_novell_hit_by_denial_of_service_attack | May 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | HP to fire 6,400 workers http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137410/hp-profits-low | May 20 14:06 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: a lot of people Dugg it. I guess they care. | May 20 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Its going to be 8 years before AMD gets the money to pay for the damages Intel did. | May 20 14:06 |
| trmanco | :) | May 20 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Anti-trust courts are asleep at the wheel. | May 20 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Most companies in need of an anti-trust ruling go under before it comes. | May 20 14:08 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they can be paid not to do their waork | May 20 14:09 |
| schestowitz | I've watched some films recently. Some of them talk about realisation of authorities and founding fathers that this would happen -- that companies to be watched will put their cronies in regulatory agencies | May 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz | See Deborah Majoras for example | May 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/16/ftc-in-monopoly-pocket/ | May 20 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough the most hated media show by other media in Australia is called media watch. | May 20 14:11 |
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| oiaohm | Its complete job is finding out where media is lieing. | May 20 14:11 |
| oiaohm | And the public love it. | May 20 14:12 |
| oiaohm | The attacked media is free to hit back. | May 20 14:12 |
| oiaohm | So it maintains a natural balance. | May 20 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | government intervention can be as bad as letting companies run amok | May 20 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | it just all depends | May 20 14:12 |
| DiabloD3 | back | May 20 14:13 |
| DiabloD3 | I was getting something to eat | May 20 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | Well, look at what the UK did with Windows Edition N | May 20 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | nobody is buying it | May 20 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | where is this huge demand? | May 20 14:13 |
| DiabloD3 | heh, and it seems you said nothing interesting while I was gone | May 20 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | The consumer outcry? | May 20 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | Why aren't they buying the product the government forced MS to give them? | May 20 14:13 |
| oiaohm | It did make some OEM start providng firefox and the like DaemonFC | May 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | I got my hands on Windows XP Edition N and went through it, it appears Microsoft did nothing more than delete 200 and some odd files | May 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | nLite can do the same thing | May 20 14:14 |
| oiaohm | So they could not get blamed for assisting. | May 20 14:15 |
| trmanco | RC1 of Firefox should appear in a few days | May 20 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Microsoft should have to ship a particular competitors products | May 20 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think these things should be optional components | May 20 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's ridiculous | May 20 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | You don't see the UK telling Apple they have to ship with Vista too | May 20 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | just in case Mac users want it | May 20 14:16 |
| oiaohm | DiabloD3: Do you still say we are not allowed to be annoyed with mono lack of answers? And avoiding giving answers? | May 20 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | When governments get involved, you lose | May 20 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | When companies run amok you lose | May 20 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 14:16 |
| DiabloD3 | I dont see that happening, oiaohm | May 20 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I don't want Firefox or IE on my computer | May 20 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | What now? | May 20 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | now I just have two things I don't want | May 20 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | instead of 1 | May 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Find me the documentation on mono that lays out patent converage for distributions DiabloD3. If its not missing as you say. | May 20 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | I would just like for them to have to make optional components instead of mandatory ones | May 20 14:18 |
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| oiaohm | Most likely you don't see it happening because you have never had to to a libablity audit for a embeded device DiabloD3. | May 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Or for making a Distributions. | May 20 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | yep, if you ship a device and you're violating patents, you're fucked | May 20 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | which is what I said yesterday | May 20 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | the law is stupid, but there are still real consequences | May 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Same with shipping a Distribution. | May 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Same with making a livecd. | May 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Installing a system. | May 20 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | and Ubuntu can just dodge all this | May 20 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | on technicalities | May 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Basically totally fucked. | May 20 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | and patent laws keep Fedora from being able to compete on that level | May 20 14:19 |
| DiabloD3 | anyhow, I don't have tine to keep discussing with you | May 20 14:20 |
| DiabloD3 | either prove it, or quit trolling | May 20 14:20 |
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| DaemonFC | US patent laws are harming US companies | May 20 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | to the benefit of foreign competitors | May 20 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Boy he did not get it. | May 20 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's why Red Hat does not like patent laws | May 20 14:20 |
| schestowitz | OpenBI seems like Microsoft lock-in disguised as OSS: Open Source Business Intelligence Scores Another Channel Win < http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/19/open-source-business-intelligence-scores-another-channel-win/ > | May 20 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Its not trolling to be asking questions. | May 20 14:21 |
| schestowitz | SQL Server... Ms code inside as welll....... | May 20 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | I should blog about the harm that antivirus software causes | May 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Anti-viruses worked in there day. | May 20 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Its numbers of viruses still existing in the wild that is bring the idea undone. | May 20 14:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so have Red Hat move to Europe | May 20 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Like Canonical | May 20 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | it slows your computer down, keeps your CPU running hot, eats your memory, crashes the system sometimes, deletes innocent files, and kills your battery life | May 20 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Then it can ship those codecs easily | May 20 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | the antivirus suites are worse than the viruses sometimes | May 20 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Think back. | May 20 14:22 |
| oiaohm | When realtime scanning started there were a few 1000 viruses. | May 20 14:23 |
| oiaohm | and junk to scan for. | May 20 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | I know | May 20 14:23 |
| oiaohm | We are going to cross the million point soon. | May 20 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | now there's over 580,000 variants | May 20 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | that ClamWin alone detects | May 20 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Why are these viruses not dieing out. | May 20 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | I think the antivirus companies make a lot of them | May 20 14:24 |
| oiaohm | You don't lots of old viruses that still work with Mac and Linux. | May 20 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of the toolkits to make new ones | May 20 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | a virus is just an application | May 20 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | consumers demand compatibility | May 20 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Windows long term compadiblity is a double sided sword. | May 20 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | so it follows that somce Windows 95 viruses | May 20 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | will still work on Vista | May 20 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically its truly a circle. | May 20 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Take basic bios interface. | May 20 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but if they ditched it all and started from scratch right now | May 20 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | it would all start all over | May 20 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Most boot sector viruses depend on it. | May 20 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Complete sector of viruses dead in one pen stroke. | May 20 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | yes, and the basic BIOS layout is older than I am | May 20 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | I know | May 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz | How the HIT Lobby is Pushing Experimental and Unsafe Technology on Unconsented Patients and Clinicians < http://linuxmednews.com/1242531823 > | May 20 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Yet how much effect changing that would it have on windows. | May 20 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Basically nothing. | May 20 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Old tech has not been retired when it should have been. | May 20 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Windows doesn't need a BIOS to boot | May 20 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | Vista SP1 and later now support EFI | May 20 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | I won't be using EFI | May 20 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | as long as I have a choice | May 20 14:28 |
| oiaohm | EFI first release was in 2000 | May 20 14:30 |
| oiaohm | We have lost the idea of truly upgrading computer design somewhere back in computer history. | May 20 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Mac basically killed off lots of its viruses as it changes cpu types. | May 20 14:32 |
| oiaohm | We stand on anti-virus software as a crutch to keep on allow us to use not eveloving OS's and Hardware. | May 20 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Binary compatibility as a curse.. | May 20 14:34 |
| schestowitz | But also more complex for digital signatures to be used | May 20 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Everything in IT is a double sided sword. | May 20 14:35 |
| oiaohm | You apply a filter to block a ddos. You will filter out some people not doing it. | May 20 14:35 |
| oiaohm | You having Binary compatiblity so uses can run there old programs. You also keep the viruses. | May 20 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | Mac basically kills off a lot of it's every kind of software | May 20 14:36 |
| oiaohm | You have a insanely faster computer. It has a shorter life span of operation. | May 20 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | including viruses | May 20 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | everytime they change it majorly | May 20 14:37 |
| oiaohm | At some point windows will be left no option but to do a Mac. | May 20 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Grommet | May 20 14:38 |
| Grommet | hi | May 20 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | well, the problem is that you need so much security software to lock Windows down with that it becomes slow and tedious to try to get anything done | May 20 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | and if you turn it off, then you won't have any warning at all | May 20 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Yep the closer it gets to that point of no option bar to start over the worse it will get DaemonFC | May 20 14:38 |
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| oiaohm | Weak secuirty system has made Windows degrade faster as well DaemonFC | May 20 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Secuirty people use to laugh at binary compadiblity until we worked out end users were serious and did not get the problom. | May 20 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCtNFgoLILc | May 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | MSBBC is trying to daemonise Google again: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8058084.stm | May 20 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | if you tell IT people that you hate antivirus software, they'll look at you like you just said you drink the blood of puppies | May 20 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | but antivirus software actually slows your computer down as much as a nasty spyware infestation | May 20 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | with Windows Defender + Avast running, you'll use at least 120 megs of your RAM | May 20 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | and cut your disk access speed in half | May 20 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's unreasonable | May 20 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | that's kind of what has me interested in Morro | May 20 14:49 |
| Grommet | uh | May 20 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | supposedly Microsoft will be giving WD antivirus capability too | May 20 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to review it for better or worse when it's out | May 20 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've collected a fair set of viruses and trojans and spyware over the years | May 20 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | should be interesting to see if it catches any of it | May 20 14:51 |
| oiaohm | I know a fast way to collect them. | May 20 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Search for like mp3.exe torrents | May 20 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | go visit Game Copy World in IE 6 | May 20 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | yeah or anything that says it's a keygen | May 20 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | on Limewire | May 20 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 14:52 |
| oiaohm | My record when trying to collect is 16 thouand unique viruses in under 12 hours. | May 20 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't doubt it | May 20 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | Limwire is about the first place I'd look | May 20 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | if I was looking for viruses | May 20 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | *Limewire | May 20 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Note unique | May 20 14:52 |
| oiaohm | That is removing duplicates. | May 20 14:53 |
| oiaohm | And there were a lot of duplicates. | May 20 14:53 |
| oiaohm | I lost by the way. | May 20 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, I noticed at Download.com, the top 5 are ALWAYS, consistently 3 antivirus, an antispyware | May 20 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | and LIMEWIRE | May 20 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Winner of the virus collect game managed to get 22 thousand. | May 20 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | yep AVG, Avira, Avast, Ad-Aware, and Limewire | May 20 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | like clockwork | May 20 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Yep generel kit for running Limewire. | May 20 14:54 |
| Grommet | lol | May 20 14:55 |
| oiaohm | I am supprised how dumb people are to keep on using it. | May 20 14:55 |
| oiaohm | They get infected from it and they keep on using it. | May 20 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | MS-DOS has lived on into Vista | May 20 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | in the form of being able to make a DOS boot floppy | May 20 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | with MS-DOS 8 files | May 20 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | MS-DOS 8 was the DOS from Windows Me :) | May 20 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Got a good one what do you think happens to a MS SBS server when a Intel matrix raid controller has a drive fail. | May 20 14:58 |
| oiaohm | That is in a raid. | May 20 14:59 |
| oiaohm | The evil thing switches to off line mode. | May 20 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | Tusns out some dirs that copies got emptied | May 20 15:34 |
| schestowitz | I'd need to recopy these | May 20 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a prevantable issue | May 20 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/why-i-refuse-to-use-real-time-antivirus-software/ | May 20 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria! | May 20 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Restoring files | May 20 15:48 |
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| (02:35:11 AM) DaemonFC: yeah, MS isn't evil, they're pragmatic | May 20 16:03 | |
| (02:35:18 AM) DaemonFC: and they don't exactly care who they hurt | May 20 16:03 | |
| Not true. They very much enjoy "knifing the baby" and vicious, prolonged, deeply personal attacks on competitors and free software advocates. M$ delights in their evil culture and brags internally about their deceptions. | May 20 16:03 | |
| schestowitz | ODF Alliance, Jeremy Allison and Others Tell Microsoft to Fix Its Broken ODF Implementation < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/microsoft-broken-odf-implementation/ > | May 20 16:04 |
| schestowitz | This was an urgent post BTW | May 20 16:04 |
| ? | May 20 16:05 | |
| ah | May 20 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | May 20 16:05 |
| schestowitz | I used your image too | May 20 16:05 |
| :) I'm sure everyone will love that. gotta go now. | May 20 16:08 | |
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| schestowitz | I think Google is censoring results | May 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | When I have pages that profile MS shills they just vanish from the index and Google after a while | May 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Very particular pages | May 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | The ones that profile | May 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they contact Google to censor results | May 20 16:13 |
| tacone | some report link clicked perhaps | May 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | onathan Zuck for example | May 20 16:13 |
| tacone | google offers chance to demote links if i aint wrong | May 20 16:14 |
| tacone | the cross near the entries | May 20 16:14 |
| tacone | could be abused in some way | May 20 16:14 |
| tacone | ask cutts | May 20 16:14 |
| tacone | if you can perhaps point some sample article | May 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Google has any reason to love Microsoft | May 20 16:15 |
| tacone | i think he would have interest himself to investigate | May 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | Google is just a click through whore | May 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | they'll go to bed with anyone that gives them hits | May 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | their AdSense crap also advertises scams and spyware regularly | May 20 16:16 |
| *tacone woud never go to bed with larry page. no offense :) | May 20 16:16 | |
| DaemonFC | you'd have to be fucking stupid to click on any of that | May 20 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 16:16 |
| tacone | schestowitz: got my suggestion ? | May 20 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really trust Google any more than I trust Microsoft | May 20 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | they're both after the same thing | May 20 16:17 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: you don't trust any company | May 20 16:18 |
| tacone | going offline very soon | May 20 16:19 |
| tacone | my take is that demote links on the results page may be abused | May 20 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | meh, Google does good things when it benefits Google | May 20 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft does good things if it benefits Microsoft | May 20 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | a company is enlightened self interest at its very best | May 20 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | and just downright rapacious greed at worst | May 20 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft donates computers to schools, but the other thing that happens is they get to deduct all of them from their taxes and it teaches children Windows | May 20 16:22 |
| tacone | offiline time for me | May 20 16:22 |
| tacone | ciao ! | May 20 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | so it becomes a tax write-off and free marketing | May 20 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | even though it appears to be an act of charity | May 20 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | Google donates money to Mozilla and helps develop Linux | May 20 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | for the same kind of reasons | May 20 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | businesses never donate to charity, they make charitable investments | May 20 16:24 |
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| DaemonFC | I could never die with $50 billion | May 20 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | I'd find a way to give at least most of it back somehow | May 20 16:25 |
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| zer0c00l | Fedora 11 release rescheduled to june 2: Fedora 11 release rescheduled to june 2: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule | May 20 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw that | May 20 16:37 |
| zer0c00l | ok :) | May 20 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's pretty funny that Microsoft is saying Vista is more secure than XP, but at the same time, they have Windows 2000 on that chart showing infection rates per capita, and it's basically tied with Vista | May 20 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | they worked on this for 10 years and they broke even | May 20 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | that's what their own chart is saying | May 20 16:45 |
| Balrog_ | heh | May 20 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Jonathan Zuck (ACT) Jumps to Defend Intel for Committing Same Crimes as Microsoft < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/jonathan-zuck-for-intel/ > | May 20 16:50 |
| mtnd3w | microsoft fanboys are idiots | May 20 16:51 |
| mtnd3w | why do i even bother arguing with them | May 20 16:52 |
| mtnd3w | it's like talking to a lower form of intelligence | May 20 16:52 |
| mtnd3w | my cat can put up more logical discourse | May 20 16:52 |
| schestowitz | You mean in IRC? | May 20 17:03 |
| schestowitz | In USENET they can be bypassed by ignoring and filtering them | May 20 17:03 |
| _boo_ | can i use gpl license to produce closed-source app? | May 20 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/1747578/img/1747578.jpg | May 20 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | May 20 17:04 |
| _boo_ | lmao because you won't be able | May 20 17:05 |
| _boo_ | he will reincarnate just to say that you guys are going through final judgement | May 20 17:05 |
| _boo_ | and it will happen when we're all dead | May 20 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | you don't actually believe that right? | May 20 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | he sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows if you've been bad or good | May 20 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | so BE GOOD FOR GOODNESS SAKE :P | May 20 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 20 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/09/06/in-depth-expos-reveals-microsofts-xbox-360-failure-rate-was-68/ | May 20 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | "Microsoft knew it had flawed machines, but it did not delay its launch because it believed the quality problems would subside over time. With each new machine, the company figured it would ride the ‘learning curve,’ or continuously improve its production. Even though Microsoft’s leaders knew their quality wasn’t top notch, they did not ensure that resources were in place to handle... | May 20 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | ...returns... | May 20 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | ...and quickly debug bad consoles. There were plenty of warning signs, but the company chose to ignore them." | May 20 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.gfilter.net/junk/humancasualties.png | May 20 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/piracy/5350183/Somali-pirates-embrace-capture-as-route-to-Europe.html | May 20 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | chrome seems to work in linux | May 20 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose Europe is going to get an influx of Somalis now | May 20 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | I am trying it on Fedora | May 20 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | under Wine? | May 20 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | no | May 20 17:16 |
| _Hicham_ | natively | May 20 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have a native Linux version | May 20 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | there's Chromium but that's still busted | May 20 17:17 |
| _Hicham_ | I grapped the official linux snapshots | May 20 17:17 |
| _Hicham_ | http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/ | May 20 17:17 |
| _Hicham_ | grapped->grabbed | May 20 17:17 |
| _Hicham_ | but it was linked against different libraries | May 20 17:17 |
| Balrog_ | ls | May 20 17:17 |
| Balrog_ | heh, sorry :/ | May 20 17:17 |
| _Hicham_ | so I got the relinking warning | May 20 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 20 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Figure they'd let ME stay if I became a pirate and surrendered? | May 20 17:18 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean? | May 20 17:18 |
| schestowitz | They=MS? | May 20 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | nah, it says Somali pirates are surrendering to the authorities | May 20 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | to claim asylum in the Netherlands | May 20 17:19 |
| _Hicham_ | http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9697/screenshotzew.png | May 20 17:19 |
| _Hicham_ | here is a screenshot, a la DaemonFC | May 20 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm | May 20 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | nice screen resolution | May 20 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | :| | May 20 17:21 |
| Balrog_ | so ... which m$ office ODF plugin is better? | May 20 17:22 |
| Balrog_ | sun or CleverAge | May 20 17:22 |
| Balrog_ | ? | May 20 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=93704 | May 20 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | May 20 17:23 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a problem with openssl package | May 20 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Christians freaking out | May 20 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | over the Google logo today | May 20 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/ | May 20 17:24 |
| _Hicham_ | the openssl library in Fedora is way too new for the one it was compiled with | May 20 17:24 |
| _Hicham_ | I am gonna try to re-link the executable | May 20 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html | May 20 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | Woohoo | May 20 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | from crusading one day | May 20 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | to burning bibles the next | May 20 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | I love our military | May 20 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 20 17:31 |
| mtnd3w | it's cause the bibles are doing harm | May 20 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | May 20 17:34 |
| mtnd3w | the afghans are very superstitious people | May 20 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Just catching up | May 20 17:34 |
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| mtnd3w | it's creating more animosity towards the presence of US troops | May 20 17:35 |
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| mtnd3w | that story about google's logo and christians isn't real right? | May 20 17:36 |
| mtnd3w | rapture ready? | May 20 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's real | May 20 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Kill Switches for XBox 360s, Internet Explorer, and Windows < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/kill-switches-for-xbox-360-ie-win/ > | May 20 17:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're ther.e | May 20 17:45 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: I don't think TOS on an appliance can hold up | May 20 17:47 |
| Balrog_ | also DMCA is US-only | May 20 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Black screen of death? | May 20 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | with what mods? | May 20 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt the BIOS flash method is detectable | May 20 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | they were probably modifying system files and turned on automatic updates | May 20 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's usually how Windows detects the mods and kills itself | May 20 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: exactly | May 20 17:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not just for XBox Live? | May 20 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I thought they had banned from online gaming those with modded boxes | May 20 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | oh, I thought you meant the Windows mods | May 20 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | invoking a black screen | May 20 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | heh, play an XBOX 360 regularly for about 2 months and it's bricked anyway | May 20 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | fuck it, just tell them you got an E74 error and it overheated | May 20 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | and that you have 3 red rings | May 20 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | they'll swap it out | May 20 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | May 20 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like they check exactly what the system is doing before they send a replacement | May 20 17:55 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: if there was a way to induce such an error, it would be good | May 20 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | there is | May 20 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | force it to overheat you mean? | May 20 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | block the ventilation | May 20 17:56 |
| Balrog_ | nintendo is said to charge $190 to repair a wii that had any unauthorized software modifications installed | May 20 17:56 |
| Balrog_ | but if the wii fails to boot completely, it's more like $90 | May 20 17:56 |
| Balrog_ | ($190 is the approximate new price ... $250 - $50 for the controllers) | May 20 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 20 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not really impressed by Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo | May 20 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose if I had it to do over again I'd probably buy a Wii | May 20 17:57 |
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| DaemonFC | PS3 and XBOX 360 are like a DRM playground where you have to download and activate the other half of the $60 game you thought you bought already | May 20 17:58 |
| Balrog_ | FSF settles with Cisco <http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-05-cisco-settlement.html> | May 20 17:58 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: the *iPhone* is more open than any of those, unfortunately | May 20 17:58 |
| Balrog_ | much easier to hack, totally trivial to un-hack | May 20 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | XBOX 360 is capable of running Linux if you know how to mod it | May 20 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm | May 20 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz | May 20 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | Did you know that Microsoft bans the names of free software products as part of your XBOX Live gamertag | May 20 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | ? | May 20 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | they put it in their bad language filter | May 20 18:00 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: PS3 runs Linux, abet limited due to hypervisor contraints out of the box | May 20 18:00 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | May 20 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't trust either one really, but Sony has had an even more customer-hostile record than Microsoft | May 20 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | if you can believe it | May 20 18:01 |
| Balrog_ | you can't do ANYTHING with the RSX, almost at all! | May 20 18:01 |
| ReverseGTR | Balrog_: I would venture that the PS3 is more open then the iPhone, it supports Divx and OGG for crying out loud via TVersity | May 20 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | RSX is an overglorified Geforce 8800 | May 20 18:01 |
| Balrog_ | ReverseGTR: the PS3 also has a fast CPU that makes those feasible | May 20 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | you can get one off Newegg for $60 | May 20 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | May 20 18:01 |
| Balrog_ | the iPhone has a slow arm and a hardware h.264 chip | May 20 18:02 |
| ReverseGTR | Balrog_: actually you'de be surpised that the YDL on the PS3 supports Super VGA which can take 1080p images and video | May 20 18:02 |
| Balrog_ | the PS3 has a lot more raw speed | May 20 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | The PS3 makes a lousy Linux machine | May 20 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | slow and overworked | May 20 18:02 |
| Balrog_ | mainly due to the RSX lockout :( | May 20 18:03 |
| ReverseGTR | Balrog_: I know Sony can do more to open up the PS3 but people who want to develop for it shouldn't moan considering what can already be had. There are much larger things to worry about then Sony being very selective when it comes to whom they allow to completely open up for their hardware in Linux for. | May 20 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | So what if the CPU is fast? (It's not) | May 20 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | with only 192 megs of RAM and framebuffered video | May 20 18:03 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: the only real problem with it is the fact that its stuck with PPC Linux, which isn't nearly as well support as x86-64 or even ARM | May 20 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's still gonna suck | May 20 18:03 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: oh then how did those Amiga and Atari ST developers manage to create Video Toast tools in the late 1980s to early 90s with 2 freaking megabytes of RAM | May 20 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | an old Athlon64 has more general purpose processing power than the Cell | May 20 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | the Cell is overengineered and contrived | May 20 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | cause they were good with assembler I'd imagine? | May 20 18:05 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: not really considering the Cell's PPE in the PS3 is an equivalent to a maxed out G5 | May 20 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | personally I'd rather slam my dick in a car door than try to get a video editor out of a machine with 2 megs of RAM | May 20 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | but I guess with the huge price tag they probably got paid | May 20 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | so hell | May 20 18:05 |
| _boo_ | so dudes, can i use gpl to produce closed-source code? | May 20 18:06 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: also, CELL is a hardware architecture which only sets itself apart because it relies on specialized RISC, Parallel Processing Units to transfer, translate and decode media | May 20 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | please stop spamming | May 20 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen the real number | May 20 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | *numbers | May 20 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | Cell is too specialized for a desktop system | May 20 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | it'll kick ass on folding@home | May 20 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeehaw | May 20 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | Cell is Sony's albatross of the 21st century | May 20 18:07 |
| Balrog_ | it's like gpgpu ... software doesn't know how to use it | May 20 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | and we're not even done with the first decade | May 20 18:07 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: because that requires plenting of vectoring and floatpoint processing, which is what the Cell is designed to excel at | May 20 18:07 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: here is a general CPU comparison of the PS3's Cell PPE vs Power Mac G5: http://www.geekpatrol.ca/2006/11/playstation-3-performance/ | May 20 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | Sony made a really bad business decision, actually every bad decision they could have possibly made | May 20 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | with PS3 | May 20 18:08 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: keep in mind this is just the single CPU core on its own and not including the PPUs | May 20 18:08 |
| ReverseGTR | SPUs or whatever they are called | May 20 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | they can sell however many they want now and still lose money | May 20 18:08 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: how only because they don't charge an arm and a leg for online gaming | May 20 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft are trying to beat each other into submission | May 20 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | and they both have shit product | May 20 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | and they both have to resort to dumping | May 20 18:09 |
| Balrog_ | <http://theovalich.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/end-of-road-for-nlitevlite-microsoft-hires-dino-nuhagic/> was pulled | May 20 18:09 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: and they actually took the time to develope a system that doesn't have a high failure due to horrible thermal design and using crappy Thomson DVD drives | May 20 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | was I linking to that? | May 20 18:10 |
| Balrog_ | no, but <http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/did-microsoft-hire-maker-of-nlite-and-vlite/> does link to that | May 20 18:10 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: now Sony is no angel in the industry due to their strong arm tactics in pushing developers to rush products and remove features due to patent disputes while stating that it was "last generation." But the only thing M$ has going with the XBOX franchise is releasing the console early, providing online support which people pay for and pimping Bungie | May 20 18:12 |
| Balrog_ | I found the link on BN | May 20 18:12 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: take note | May 20 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Time Calls Windows Vista the “Biggest Tech Failure of the Last Decade” < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/time-calls-windows-vista-failure/ > | May 20 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I am linking to it | May 20 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Hi, ReverseGTR | May 20 18:13 |
| ReverseGTR | @schestowitz: hey sorry for introducing myself the way I did above, but I just wanted to correct someone's post. Even though he has complete merit to their opinion. | May 20 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Windows Defender was responsible for a lot of the slow down | May 20 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | not all, but a lot | May 20 18:15 |
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| DaemonFC | Vista perks up a bit if you disable that | May 20 18:16 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: but is there any way to remove those blasted warnings that constantly pop up when doing anything beyond point and click? | May 20 18:17 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1898610_1898625_1898633,00.html | May 20 18:18 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: also making sure that everything in Vista is not relegated to constantly switching to Admin? | May 20 18:18 |
| wispygalaxy | hi guys! | May 20 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | ReverseGTR: Two ways actually | May 20 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | You can turn UAC off and reboot, or just disable the elevation prompt | May 20 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | theoretically it's better to jsut silently elevate | May 20 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | because then most things will still run as a standard user | May 20 18:19 |
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| DaemonFC | UAC is a good idea poorly executed and comes up even when it's a benign task obviously initiated by the user | May 20 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | had they actually tried to implement it right, it would not bug you about bringing up control panel applets and such | May 20 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | just for software installation | May 20 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | Vista is kind of condescending like that, instead of calling you a standard user it calls you an Administrator and makes you a standard user | May 20 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | It also disables the "Administrator" account from every earlier version of NT | May 20 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | you can only turn it back on if you have the Group Policy Editor | May 20 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | which only comes with Business or Ultimate | May 20 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | pidgen.dll and Software Licensing Service make sure you can't just copy over files from other editions and run them | May 20 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | if you have Vista Home they won't let gpedit.msc run | May 20 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | and if you have Business you can't run things like Windows Media Center | May 20 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | SLS will stop you | May 20 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | In XP you could copy over the policy editors into XP Home | May 20 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | and it wouldn't stop them | May 20 18:25 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, are you there?? | May 20 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft overengineered Vista because they somehow think they have the same customer type as Apple | May 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's becoming a tic | May 20 18:28 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: that is your site? | May 20 18:29 |
| wispygalaxy | hey balrog! | May 20 18:29 |
| Balrog_ | izanbardprince.wordpress.com | May 20 18:29 |
| Balrog_ | hey wispygalaxy | May 20 18:29 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: and with that type of condescending attitude why continue to believe they can create a good OS for intermediate to advanced users anymore with the same corporate culture it has now | May 20 18:29 |
| wispygalaxy | school is out for me :) | May 20 18:29 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: if so, test out Nod32 and see its performance ... it's not free but I hear it's fast | May 20 18:30 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, I'm doing one class | May 20 18:30 |
| Balrog_ | right now we're reading Gilgamesh | May 20 18:30 |
| wispygalaxy | oh yes, the summer class :) | May 20 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | that's me | May 20 18:30 |
| wispygalaxy | do you have to write papers | May 20 18:30 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, some | May 20 18:30 |
| wispygalaxy | darn :( | May 20 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | Balrog_: NOD32 is disgusting | May 20 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | not the product, the company | May 20 18:30 |
| Balrog_ | six projects ... not exactly papers | May 20 18:31 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: I heard they did some nasty things ... but how does the /product/ compare? | May 20 18:31 |
| wispygalaxy | i had to do a paper/report for my commercial banking class- there was no final | May 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | it has decent detection, unfortunately they also remove things the Business Software Alliance doesn't like | May 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | like Peerguardian | May 20 18:31 |
| Balrog_ | url? I heard they removed that thing | May 20 18:31 |
| Balrog_ | the peerguardian removal | May 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | it also detects no-CD patches | May 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | for some video games | May 20 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | as what? | May 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | Trojans | May 20 18:32 |
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| DaemonFC | I had a 60 day trial | May 20 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | well, some of them may contain trojans | May 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | and uninstalled it on day 1 | May 20 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | wispygalaxy: there's #boycottnovell-social now | May 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | that should probably tell you something | May 20 18:32 |
| Balrog_ | I see. | May 20 18:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Balrog_: I uploaded those files to Virus Total | May 20 18:33 |
| Balrog_ | and clean? | May 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | and got one or two scanners to say they were a virus or trojan | May 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | out of like 40 antivirus apps | May 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | one was NOD32 | May 20 18:33 |
| Balrog_ | heh, false positives | May 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 18:33 |
| Balrog_ | was it the heuristics detecting it, or the sig-based methods? | May 20 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I always upload those to Virus Total | May 20 18:34 |
| Balrog_ | if it's the heuristics, I'm not surprised | May 20 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | I never JUST trust my scanner | May 20 18:34 |
| Balrog_ | heuristics tend to show false positives :) | May 20 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | well, NOD32 seems to detect anything the BSA wouldn't like | May 20 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | so it's damned suspicious | May 20 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | at the least | May 20 18:34 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks for the new channel link, balrog! | May 20 18:34 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: a test would be to turn off heuristics and do more tests | May 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | and FYI, I bought those games | May 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't want to dig for my disc | May 20 18:35 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, I know what you mean | May 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | every time I fire them up | May 20 18:35 |
| Balrog_ | you could use daemon tools and images, but that takes up tons of disk space | May 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | SecuROM detects those | May 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | and attempts to go to war with them | May 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | so that's another reason why I never run the game til I patch it | May 20 18:36 |
| Balrog_ | argh. | May 20 18:36 |
| Balrog_ | what about Y.A.S.U ? | May 20 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's an arms race | May 20 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't feel like fucking with SecuROM | May 20 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | cause I always feel slimed | May 20 18:36 |
| Balrog_ | ahh. much like the requiem project (breaking itunes DRM) | May 20 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | even if it does work | May 20 18:37 |
| Balrog_ | though requiem always wins eventually ;) | May 20 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Welcome to modern gaming, where you have to pirate software you already bought | May 20 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 18:37 |
| Balrog_ | the latest version gets rid of drm from hd movies and works with the latest itunes | May 20 18:37 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, I know :( | May 20 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | I won't buy anything in any format that I can't break | May 20 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | cause if I can't, then it's worthless to me | May 20 18:38 |
| Balrog_ | heh. It's funny how puny itunes FairPlay drm is | May 20 18:38 |
| Balrog_ | that thing is useless | May 20 18:38 |
| Balrog_ | :) | May 20 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | DRM is like a competition over who will never get my business | May 20 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 18:39 |
| Balrog_ | heh yeah | May 20 18:39 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: except its whoever lacks that gets your's right | May 20 18:39 |
| Balrog_ | though there are free things on itunes sometimes | May 20 18:39 |
| Balrog_ | (not talking about podcasts) | May 20 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I buy CDs | May 20 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I've downloaded two songs off iTunes when Pepsi had those song giveaways in 2004 | May 20 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and that's when I found out what DRM was | May 20 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and why I didn't want to buy it | May 20 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | when I tried to play those files in Winamp | May 20 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and they refused | May 20 18:40 |
| Balrog_ | well, that's gone from /music/ | May 20 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | so I buy CDs and rip to FLAC | May 20 18:41 |
| Balrog_ | not video though | May 20 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's the same price or less | May 20 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | and much higher quality | May 20 18:41 |
| Balrog_ | true | May 20 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | I really wish they'd do a Winamp port to Linux | May 20 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | I jsut never really loved Audacious | May 20 18:42 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: DMCA needs to die, but with the growing reliance the US needs from gaining money from private firms who profit off of IPs I doubt it will happen | May 20 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | and XMMS was OK 10 years ago | May 20 18:42 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, just posted http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-19-024-35-NW-CY-NT-0004 | May 20 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | yes, the US government will let Microsoft run amok | May 20 18:43 |
| *amarsh04 still runs xmms 1.2, in fact is doing so right now to pick up the streaming audio of a local fm station having transmitter problems | May 20 18:43 | |
| DaemonFC | because there's not much else we're selling abroad | May 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | except obesity and war | May 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | I've grown kind of attached to Winamp 5.5 | May 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | and my Winamp 3 registration code still unlocks Winamp Pro | May 20 18:44 |
| amarsh04 | I'd like a lightweight graphical audio player... xmms2 sucks up too much cpu time on my old pc | May 20 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | I was pleased :D | May 20 18:44 |
| ReverseGTR | amarsh04: Totemplayer? | May 20 18:44 |
| ReverseGTR | amarsh04: not really lightweight though | May 20 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | Is Winamp 5 running well in Wine? | May 20 18:44 |
| amarsh04 | less than 1.4 percent cpu decoding streaming 128kbps joint stereo MP3 | May 20 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't checked that | May 20 18:44 |
| amarsh04 | my old pc is a PII-266, the new pc is a dual-core amd64 but its in-built graphics don't have free 3d acceleration yet | May 20 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Winamp takes 2% of a CPU core on this machine to decode a FLAC stream | May 20 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's not bad | May 20 18:46 |
| amarsh04 | decoding for video on the amd64 with radeon 3200 hd is a bit hit and miss also | May 20 18:46 |
| ReverseGTR | amarsh04: I was always curious how those perform considering the best performing TabletPC has that hardware | May 20 18:47 |
| amarsh04 | I have a soundblaster live! 5.1 SB0220 sound card on the old machine which has an on-board MIDI synth so I can play MIDI files with minimal host cpu requirements | May 20 18:47 |
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| amarsh04 | I don't know if I could find a new sound card with that capability | May 20 18:48 |
| ReverseGTR | amarsh04: I am sure the ASUS high end sound card has that capability | May 20 18:48 |
| ReverseGTR | the Xonar DX2 | May 20 18:49 |
| amarsh04 | will have to look it up ReverseGTR | May 20 18:49 |
| ReverseGTR | amarsh04: it supposedly got dissapointing reviews, but I am not a total audiofile so I wouldn't know what constitutes a good card shown with the frequency graphs in this article: http://vr-zone.com/articles/asus-xonar-d2-rmaa-results/5135-1.html?doc=5135 | May 20 18:52 |
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| ReverseGTR | the Xonar D2 is the PCI while the D2X is PCI-e | May 20 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | Vista becomes abysmally slow with any resident scanner loaded | May 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's actually much much faster with no antivirus and no Windows Defender loaded | May 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | I even unloaded the Clamwin tray | May 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'll just update it myself before I scan something | May 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 20 18:54 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: thanks for the comment and link | May 20 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I've just caught up | May 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I'm still posting at a high pace because I have more than I can bear in my todo list | May 20 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | there's ways to throw out roadblocks without taking a huge bite out of system performance | May 20 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | I still think that resident scanners are too much of a compromise | May 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Hey, wispygalaxy | May 20 18:58 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, some people don't get the point illustrated in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where Arthur Dent | May 20 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That Mac botnet was perhaps interesting | May 20 18:58 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: how so? | May 20 18:58 |
| Balrog_ | it was a trojan created botnet | May 20 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | in that so many millions of Mac users just swipe iWork off a torrent site | May 20 18:58 |
| Balrog_ | from pirated software | May 20 18:59 |
| Balrog_ | heh... they didn't even need to do that | May 20 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | after paying $2,000 for a Mac? | May 20 18:59 |
| Balrog_ | you download the demo from apple | May 20 18:59 |
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| DaemonFC | that just seems odd? | May 20 18:59 |
| Balrog_ | then change a key in a config file from 'trial' to 'purchase' | May 20 18:59 |
| Balrog_ | and that's it | May 20 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | WHAT!?!? | May 20 18:59 |
| Balrog_ | no serial number, nothing | May 20 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | you're shitting me | May 20 18:59 |
| Balrog_ | that's the protection :) | May 20 18:59 |
| amarsh04 | 's house was about to be knocked down, and the plans for its destruction were on display in a locked filing cabinet in a basement without stairs behind a sign that said beware of the tiger | May 20 18:59 |
| ReverseGTR | Balrog_: hot dam | May 20 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | you're saying that Mac users are too fucking stupid to figure that out? | May 20 19:00 |
| ReverseGTR | Balrog_: now I sort of wish I owned an overpriced Mac | May 20 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | dear god | May 20 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | no wonder they don't use a PC | May 20 19:00 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: apparently some of them are | May 20 19:00 |
| Balrog_ | the smarter ones do figure that out | May 20 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | apparently MOST of them are | May 20 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 20 19:00 |
| amarsh04 | correction - "on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard" | May 20 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Balrog_: Apple already made a 5 bajillon million percent markup on the Mac, maybe they don't figure the copy of iWork is worth squabbling about? | May 20 19:04 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: that's what some people figure | May 20 19:04 |
| Balrog_ | they don't do any 'authentication' on OS X either | May 20 19:05 |
| Balrog_ | or iLife | May 20 19:05 |
| Balrog_ | only their heavyweight pro apps | May 20 19:05 |
| Balrog_ | which use a simple serial key, no activation | May 20 19:05 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: and the % isn't /that/ high | May 20 19:06 |
| Balrog_ | lol | May 20 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: you might like this one: The EU Council Answers Marco Cappato’s Question About Microsoft Dependence < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/eu-it-independence-by-marco-cappato/ > | May 20 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | Balrog_: Why would they? They sell every Mac with Mac OS bundled | May 20 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | it only works on Macs | May 20 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | they have all the DRM and bundling they need | May 20 19:11 |
| tacone | lets see | May 20 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | it would make Microsoft cum if they had that kind of grip on the PC | May 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | tacone: the Italians fight for all of us | May 20 19:12 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: it's easy to install osx86 ... | May 20 19:12 |
| Balrog_ | and microsoft /has/ such a grip on the PC, only their software really sucks | May 20 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Apple gets away with artificially crippling OS X to not work on PC, but if Micrsofot made Vista not work on Macs | May 20 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | there's be all hell breaking loose | May 20 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's a double standard | May 20 19:12 |
| wispygalaxy | balrog, remember how you made a hackintosh? | May 20 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | of course Microsoft would never cripple Vista to not work on Macs cause lots of Macs end up running Vista | May 20 19:13 |
| Balrog_ | except that Windows is advertised to work on computers | May 20 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | so they would be denying themselves sales | May 20 19:13 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: in my experiences, it's <10%, probably <5% of macs | May 20 19:13 |
| Balrog_ | and it's usually in a VM | May 20 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say it's more than that | May 20 19:14 |
| Balrog_ | or if not, then for games | May 20 19:14 |
| Balrog_ | wispygalaxy: yes, hackintosh back then was messy | May 20 19:14 |
| wispygalaxy | that was cool, i could never do that | May 20 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | It would be interesting to see just how many Macs end up running Windows | May 20 19:14 |
| Balrog_ | today, with a core2 duo and a supported graphics card, it's much easier | May 20 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Apple does advertise it as a feature | May 20 19:14 |
| Balrog_ | there's EFI emulation stuff | May 20 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | so obviously there is a demand | May 20 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | they don't need to emulate EFI | May 20 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Vista can boot on EFI | May 20 19:14 |
| Balrog_ | well, it's a convenience. Not too many, in my experiences | May 20 19:14 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: Apple uses BIOS emulation | May 20 19:15 |
| Balrog_ | but to boot OS X on BIOS it's harder | May 20 19:15 |
| ReverseGTR | Balrog_: Apple only has BIOS emulation for Bootcamp | May 20 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | Boot Camp doesn't NEED to emulate BIOS for Vista SP1 or SP2 | May 20 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | it chooses to because it can make Windows seem more crippled than it is | May 20 19:15 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: yea, but Apple has never bothered to update Bootcamp | May 20 19:15 |
| Balrog_ | well, you call that "boot camp" ... it really isn't boot camp | May 20 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | it's just some code in the firmware. | May 20 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | ReverseGTR: really? | May 20 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | that have ..... | May 20 19:16 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: 64bit Bootcamp is still in beta I think | May 20 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | Vista doesn't need boot camp | May 20 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | you can partition the disk without boot camp and boot Vista up exposed to the EFI | May 20 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: yes, it does ... for drivers | May 20 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | if you want | May 20 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | you can get the drivers yourself | May 20 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | it has them as a single EXE file | May 20 19:16 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: there is probably a way to do a physical partition, but then you won't have that nice Bootcamp intro screen to select which OS | May 20 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | on the Leaopard DVD | May 20 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/ | May 20 19:17 |
| Balrog_ | there's the Vista 64 version right there | May 20 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Boot Camp isn't needed | May 20 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's just an idiot button | May 20 19:17 |
| Balrog_ | true, but not everyone wants to be locked to a M$ os | May 20 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | I've set up more complicated boot schemes in my sleep | May 20 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 19:17 |
| Balrog_ | I use rEFIt | May 20 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | you're not locked to it | May 20 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | for Christs sake | May 20 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | there's GParted | May 20 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | that runs on Macs | May 20 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | you can get rid of the Vista partition as easily as you made it | May 20 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | ahh .. .so you mean dual-booting OS X and vista with vista booting from EFI? | May 20 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | of course I'd feel nauseated at the thought of partitioning HFS+ | May 20 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | May 20 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 20 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | yes | May 20 19:19 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: HFS+ isn't that bad to partition | May 20 19:19 |
| Balrog_ | the apple disk utility can shrink volumes | May 20 19:19 |
| Balrog_ | or expand | May 20 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | if you dual boot them on a Mac without Boot Camp, then Vista can utilize EFI | May 20 19:19 |
| Balrog_ | does that give any benefit? | May 20 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | well, faster boot for one | May 20 19:20 |
| Balrog_ | (the EFI) | May 20 19:20 |
| Balrog_ | hm. boot is already fast. | May 20 19:20 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: I remeber there was a certain piece of software which also worked on Apple that enabled easily partition 4 OSs and had a nice intro GUI to boot. | May 20 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | You can even TRIPLE BOOT :) | May 20 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | have OS X, Vista, and Linux | May 20 19:20 |
| Balrog_ | rEFIt makes that easy, yes | May 20 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | all booting off EFI | May 20 19:20 |
| Balrog_ | too bad my hard drive is rather small | May 20 19:20 |
| Balrog_ | only 250 GB | May 20 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | EFI is not a problem for any current OS | May 20 19:21 |
| *amarsh04 wonders if he is in #boycottnovell or #grub (-: | May 20 19:21 | |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: well except if you want to do Haiku or some other exotic OS | May 20 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | I'd use eLilo myself | May 20 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm nuts | May 20 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Vista RTM can't use EFI | May 20 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | it needs BIOS | May 20 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | so you need a Vista SP1 disc | May 20 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | that's trivial | May 20 19:22 |
| Balrog_ | they say elilo doesn't work with graphics | May 20 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | so? | May 20 19:23 |
| Balrog_ | <http://refit.sourceforge.net/myths/> | May 20 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Coreboot can boot Windows 7 now :P | May 20 19:28 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: too bad Coreboot doesn't support the latest AMD chipsets yet | May 20 19:31 |
| ReverseGTR | ok it supports a few 940 mainframes | May 20 19:32 |
| ReverseGTR | I don't even know what Aruma AIS 6000 is | May 20 19:33 |
| ReverseGTR | I guess this is what is good about Intel, not as much socket changing going on | May 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Knuth Tells Europe to Let Him “Innovate in Peace” (Without Software Patents) < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/knuth-tells-europe-no-sw-pats/ > | May 20 19:36 |
| ReverseGTR | @schestowitz: I'm reading it right now, great article | May 20 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, BIOS and EFI are the thing to watch out for | May 20 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | EFI does not allow for open source replacements | May 20 19:37 |
| tacone | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/buggy-breathalyzer-code-reflects-importance-of-source-review.ars | May 20 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | so it probably never will be replaceable | May 20 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | tacone: saw that | May 20 19:38 |
| Balrog_ | DaemonFC: then what about those EFI emulators? | May 20 19:38 |
| Balrog_ | (that apple uses) | May 20 19:38 |
| Balrog_ | well, not apple | May 20 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | What? YOu expected the state to read the user manual? | May 20 19:38 |
| tacone | proprietary code may lead to wrong liability or perhaps even death | May 20 19:38 |
| Balrog_ | the hackintosh people | May 20 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | They'd rather just fuck you over | May 20 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | the government doesn't care | May 20 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | you sue the government in a government court | May 20 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | why do they care? | May 20 19:39 |
| ReverseGTR | tacone: lol has anyone actually looked into the accuracy of radar guns lately? | May 20 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | May 20 19:39 |
| ReverseGTR | tacone: buggy equipment is defacto in law enforcement so they can more easily catch their perps :P | May 20 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | they say in the manual NEVER to write tickets when using POP mode | May 20 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | cops do it all the time | May 20 19:40 |
| ReverseGTR | tacone: whoever got the court to actually summit an audit to review that must have had deep pockets | May 20 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | May 20 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | all those slimy bastards have to do is say the software that convicted you is a trade secret | May 20 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | just like for voting machines | May 20 19:42 |
| _boo_ | voting machines, lol | May 20 19:42 |
| _boo_ | you got fucked | May 20 19:42 |
| _boo_ | if you don't live in eastern country | May 20 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's so much better in Russia | May 20 19:43 |
| _boo_ | where ther are none of voting machines | May 20 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'll head over there now | May 20 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 19:43 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC | May 20 19:43 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: in India it is because they are just using a form of BASIC for the OS | May 20 19:43 |
| _boo_ | don't ever question my credibility | May 20 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | think they'll let me do MILF porn | May 20 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | and pirate all the software I want? | May 20 19:43 |
| _boo_ | i know everything about russia | May 20 19:43 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: Russia has electronic voting machines? | May 20 19:43 |
| _boo_ | and yeah, you can't trust russian voting machines | May 20 19:43 |
| _boo_ | yup | May 20 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | no they have MILF porn | May 20 19:44 |
| _boo_ | electronic | May 20 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | and bootleg Windows | May 20 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 19:44 |
| _boo_ | feel glad of yourself now? | May 20 19:44 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: lol, no wonder voting goes so smoothly and always in Putin's favor | May 20 19:44 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 20 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | hey, MILF porn, Vodka, and bootleg software | May 20 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I could move there | May 20 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I have skills | May 20 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 20 19:44 |
| _boo_ | ReverseGTR, in usa and plenty of other countries it's the same | May 20 19:44 |
| _boo_ | just different level | May 20 19:45 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: true, at least Russia is more open to admitting they may have a would-be Czar | May 20 19:45 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 20 19:45 |
| _boo_ | putin is not czar | May 20 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | Russian politics always ends up going badly | May 20 19:45 |
| _boo_ | he's just yet another president | May 20 19:45 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 20 19:45 |
| _boo_ | yeah | May 20 19:45 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: we shall see | May 20 19:45 |
| _boo_ | since like -100 years ago | May 20 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | I use "Russian" as a verb | May 20 19:45 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: what if his son ends up becoming the next Prime Minister? | May 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | like "That was a very Russian ending" | May 20 19:46 |
| _boo_ | there were no good politics persons in russia | May 20 19:46 |
| _boo_ | since then | May 20 19:46 |
| _boo_ | ReverseGTR, may be he would | May 20 19:46 |
| _boo_ | dude, you gotta understand | May 20 19:46 |
| _boo_ | i'm not with russia | May 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | We should jsut let Georgia in NATO right now | May 20 19:46 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 20 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | so the Russians will pause and think next time | May 20 19:46 |
| _boo_ | georgia is worth nothing | May 20 19:47 |
| wispygalaxy | hi boo | May 20 19:47 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: Georgia is now rampant with pro-Russian politicans | May 20 19:47 |
| _boo_ | and russia can kill it right away | May 20 19:47 |
| _boo_ | and most of nato too | May 20 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | Too many to shoot? | May 20 19:47 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: they would probably be giving NATO secrets to Russia in a heartbeat | May 20 19:47 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC, no./ | May 20 19:47 |
| _boo_ | ? | May 20 19:47 |
| _boo_ | in georgia you won't even have to shoot | May 20 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | that's why we don't give Georgia any valuable intel | May 20 19:47 |
| _boo_ | they will just give up | May 20 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | we jsut make them a member | May 20 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | get it? | May 20 19:47 |
| _boo_ | you don't get it | May 20 19:47 |
| _boo_ | i get everything | May 20 19:48 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: only former Soviet satellites I can see standing up to Russia are Romania and Ukraine | May 20 19:48 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 20 19:48 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: maybe Poland too | May 20 19:48 |
| _boo_ | ReverseGTR, why should they even want to? | May 20 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | well, there was that whole Chernobyl thing | May 20 19:48 |
| _boo_ | poland was fscked by kozaks | May 20 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure they haven't forgotten that | May 20 19:48 |
| _boo_ | they didn't forget kozaks | May 20 19:48 |
| _boo_ | that are still alive | May 20 19:49 |
| _boo_ | and they are in the same culture that you see in films | May 20 19:49 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: maybe Kazakhstan too considering it would be hard terrain to conquer too considering they have a lucrative deal with China | May 20 19:49 |
| _boo_ | they kan just eliminate poland | May 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | like Borat? | May 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 19:49 |
| _boo_ | do you know how kozaks train? | May 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | I like you | May 20 19:49 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: exactly Borat can take care of them | May 20 19:49 |
| _boo_ | due | May 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | you can come to my house | May 20 19:49 |
| _boo_ | dude | May 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | and use my siste | May 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | *sister | May 20 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 20 19:49 |
| _boo_ | i kan | May 20 19:50 |
| _boo_ | use your sister | May 20 19:50 |
| _boo_ | but do you know how kozaks train? | May 20 19:50 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: they beat eachother over the head with mallets while drinking bottles of Vodka? | May 20 19:50 |
| _boo_ | none | May 20 19:50 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: is that how Kosaks train, because | May 20 19:50 |
| _boo_ | of dat | May 20 19:50 |
| _boo_ | do you know how it's to shoot according to ricochet? | May 20 19:51 |
| _boo_ | they train like dat | May 20 19:51 |
| _boo_ | shooting | May 20 19:51 |
| _boo_ | and they are specops | May 20 19:51 |
| ReverseGTR | because the Kosaks seemed to have that sort of brightness throughout Russian history following Czar orders until they were squashed by the Red Army and have been trying to scramble for glory in a new Russia ever since | May 20 19:51 |
| _boo_ | if you're talking about knives or things | May 20 19:51 |
| _boo_ | ReverseGTR, did you ever watch any film about Taras Bulba | May 20 19:52 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: the only Kosaks I see are fat bearded people who are dressed in spiffy would-be military garb and spout rampant racist remarks | May 20 19:52 |
| _boo_ | nope | May 20 19:52 |
| _boo_ | they won't tolerate you being on their land | May 20 19:52 |
| _boo_ | that's what makes them very valuable rangers | May 20 19:53 |
| _boo_ | kinda limits of country defended | May 20 19:53 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: but Russian is being flooded by Turks, Africans and Asians anyway | May 20 19:53 |
| _boo_ | what? | May 20 19:53 |
| _boo_ | are you insane? | May 20 19:53 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: Russia is being overrun by foriegners and rightly so since they occupy over half of Asia | May 20 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | May 20 19:54 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 20 19:54 |
| _boo_ | half of asia | May 20 19:54 |
| _boo_ | it's russian place | May 20 19:54 |
| _boo_ | don't ever fsck with it | May 20 19:54 |
| _boo_ | if it's russian border | May 20 19:54 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: well more like about 1/4 of Asia but you get my drife | May 20 19:54 |
| _boo_ | don't ever come across | May 20 19:54 |
| _boo_ | nope | May 20 19:55 |
| _boo_ | you don't get a thing in real life | May 20 19:55 |
| _boo_ | ReverseGTR | May 20 19:55 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: fact of the matter is many Eastern Siberians and Turks are moving westward and white Russians don't like it | May 20 19:55 |
| _boo_ | what? | May 20 19:55 |
| _boo_ | are you sane again? | May 20 19:55 |
| _boo_ | you just didn't answer yet | May 20 19:55 |
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| _boo_ | what are you talking about at all? | May 20 19:56 |
| _boo_ | in russia people almost don't even move | May 20 19:56 |
| _boo_ | like at all | May 20 19:56 |
| _boo_ | like below 5% move | May 20 19:56 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: then how come attacks on immigrants has risen in Moscow and St. Petersburg? | May 20 19:56 |
| _boo_ | dude | May 20 19:56 |
| _boo_ | you don't know the news | May 20 19:57 |
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| _boo_ | like at all | May 20 19:57 |
| _boo_ | like at 95% | May 20 19:57 |
| _boo_ | only foreigners are attacking russians | May 20 19:57 |
| _boo_ | i counted | May 20 19:57 |
| _boo_ | russians are not torlerated in russia | May 20 19:57 |
| _boo_ | ^ take that into account | May 20 19:57 |
| _boo_ | not tolerated at all | May 20 19:58 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: ok, but you can't deny Turks in Russia are persecuted allot whether by would-be Kosaks or anyone who thinks of themselves as any more Russian | May 20 19:58 |
| _boo_ | like if you say anything bad about foreigner | May 20 19:58 |
| _boo_ | you're in jail | May 20 19:58 |
| _boo_ | kosaks only live at their territory | May 20 19:58 |
| _boo_ | you should understand that | May 20 19:58 |
| _boo_ | they defend it | May 20 19:58 |
| _boo_ | and they were always the last defence line | May 20 19:59 |
| _boo_ | they like to live in russia | May 20 19:59 |
| _boo_ | 'cause russia doesn't fsck them | May 20 19:59 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: ok I got it | May 20 19:59 |
| _boo_ | no you didn['t | May 20 19:59 |
| _boo_ | didn't | May 20 19:59 |
| _boo_ | i didn't even tell you the half | May 20 19:59 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: If I don't I can review everything you just said again | May 20 20:00 |
| _boo_ | no | May 20 20:00 |
| _boo_ | 'cause i didn't say enough | May 20 20:00 |
| _boo_ | and you only know the basics | May 20 20:00 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: perhaps we should then take it to PM unless DeamonFC is interested | May 20 20:00 |
| _boo_ | whatever | May 20 20:00 |
| _boo_ | i can f anyone's brains anywhere XD | May 20 20:00 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: I just came here to learn something and contribute in opinion | May 20 20:01 |
| _boo_ | lol | May 20 20:01 |
| _boo_ | contribute in opinion | May 20 20:01 |
| _boo_ | XD | May 20 20:01 |
| _boo_ | lmao | May 20 20:01 |
| _boo_ | about such things? | May 20 20:01 |
| _boo_ | dude | May 20 20:02 |
| _boo_ | you're too late | May 20 20:02 |
| ReverseGTR | _boo_: well most of the time that is what we do around here, aside from the occassional article or hardware specs. Do we need to now debate about semantics? | May 20 20:02 |
| _boo_ | you won't learn anything | May 20 20:02 |
| _boo_ | but hate | May 20 20:02 |
| ReverseGTR | whatever, but the fact of the matter is we went way OT | May 20 20:02 |
| _boo_ | ReverseGTR, there's always need to debate about semantics | May 20 20:02 |
| _boo_ | 'cause semantics is per everybody | May 20 20:02 |
| _boo_ | so debate me | May 20 20:03 |
| _boo_ | right here | May 20 20:03 |
| _boo_ | and i will prove you don't know a thing | May 20 20:03 |
| _boo_ | XD | May 20 20:03 |
| _boo_ | may be sometimes you will have to wait | May 20 20:04 |
| _boo_ | but it's worth | May 20 20:04 |
| _boo_ | 'cause it will prove you're insane XD | May 20 20:04 |
| _boo_ | so start | May 20 20:04 |
| _boo_ | i'm not even challenging you | May 20 20:08 |
| _boo_ | just say anything that i think that's worth hearing by me | May 20 20:08 |
| _boo_ | and i will most likely answer | May 20 20:08 |
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| _boo_ | (if i'm not alseep already) | May 20 20:09 |
| _boo_ | too bad there're no people worth of talking on the subject, it's not linux related at all though | May 20 20:11 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: The attack this morning was probably stopped by the iptables rules pretty quickly. | May 20 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | May 20 20:21 |
| schestowitz | It lasted for like 2 hours | May 20 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 3 | May 20 20:22 |
| Balrog_ | hopefully they don't get through it /again/ :( | May 20 20:22 |
| schestowitz | I made many posts. Does the nightly backup include databases? | May 20 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft got quite a few "Worst of all time" awards from PC World | May 20 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | actually | May 20 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | for Windows ME, IE 6, and a bunch of others | May 20 20:22 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/125772-3/the_25_worst_tech_products_of_all_time.html | May 20 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | "How insecure? In June 2004, the U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team (CERT) took the unusual step of urging PC users to use a browser--any browser--other than IE. Their reason: IE users who visited the wrong Web site could end up infected with the Scob or Download.Ject keylogger, which could be used to steal their passwords and other personal information. Microsoft patched that hole, and... | May 20 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | ...the next one, and the one after that, and so on, ad infinitum." | May 20 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is supporting at least a couple dozen versions of IE across 7 versions of Windows | May 20 20:27 |
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| DaemonFC | spanning from IE 5.01 on Windows 2000 to IE 8 on Vista | May 20 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | I can't imagine anyone actually trying to use IE 5.01 to browse the open internet with | May 20 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | that would be suicide | May 20 20:28 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | May 20 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | technically they have to support IE 5.01 as part of Windows 2000 til June of 2010 | May 20 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | I believe | May 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | by then it will essentially be 11 years old | May 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | and not even really all that great by the standards of 1999 | May 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2000 won't let you use any version of IE past IE 6 SP1 | May 20 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | because a popup blocker apparently requires "Major architectural changes only included with Windows XP" | May 20 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft tries to make you very uncomfortable if you don't jump right to buying the latest version of Windows | May 20 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | but current versions of every other browser still run on Windows 2000 :) | May 20 20:31 |
| Balrog_ | though Firefox 3 doesn't work too well | May 20 20:32 |
| Balrog_ | I moved the last win2k system to xubuntu 8.10 | May 20 20:32 |
| Balrog_ | works well | May 20 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | works as well as it does on XP | May 20 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | they act like they're punishing you by not giving you the latest IE | May 20 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | yeah.... | May 20 20:33 |
| Balrog_ | IE is deeply rooted in the system | May 20 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 20 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's not | May 20 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft and the Linux Foundation Not “Best Friends Forever” < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/microsoft-linux-foundation-deception/ > | May 20 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | You can remove IE from Vista without actually damaging the system | May 20 20:36 |
| Balrog_ | true, but parts of IE remain | May 20 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | it has dependencies, but you can remove those too | May 20 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 20 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | you can remove the rendering engine | May 20 20:37 |
| Balrog_ | then things break | May 20 20:37 |
| Balrog_ | programs that rely on the engine break | May 20 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | nah | May 20 20:37 |
| Balrog_ | it's like removing webkit from a mac | May 20 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | shoddy programs like Yahell messenger maybe | May 20 20:37 |
| Balrog_ | many programs rely on webkit to render html | May 20 20:38 |
| Balrog_ | (I'm talking about the shared webkit library deep inside the system) | May 20 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, which is why the EU really can't order it be removed (IE that is) | May 20 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | they'd break a lot of peoples shit | May 20 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 20:38 |
| Balrog_ | they can remove access to IE | May 20 20:39 |
| Balrog_ | prevent it from being directly used | May 20 20:39 |
| Balrog_ | of course, portions of IE will remain | May 20 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | What's the point? | May 20 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | if all the vulnerabilities are still there | May 20 20:39 |
| Balrog_ | you can delete Safari but Webkit still remains | May 20 20:39 |
| Balrog_ | true, if it gets executed | May 20 20:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Known viruses: 550188 | May 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | according to ClamWin | May 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 20 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's ridiculous | May 20 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://books.google.com/books?id=h4YYhcb0MsMC&dq=windows+98+annoyances&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=wf9c70gEyO&sig=_ZDjsYBGUooif42LC0Z-yu0-RH0&hl=en&ei=hmAUSrXsFcafmAeQ3IHjAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3 | May 20 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | $93 cable bill | May 20 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | argh | May 20 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | damn | May 20 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | lots of people still using Windows 98 | May 20 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | what is wrong with these people? | May 20 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Ask what's wrong with Vista | May 20 20:49 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKqKrH0O9yg | May 20 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Net Applications Has Former Microsoft Employee, Also a Microsoft Investor? < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/20/net-applications-matt-hopkins-vicinity/ > | May 20 21:09 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: check it out | May 20 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Relates to our previous discussions... | May 20 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Wimap... it rellly whips the llama's ass. | May 20 21:10 |
| schestowitz | *Winamp; *really | May 20 21:10 |
| amd-linux | good evening... will do... | May 20 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Now I extract a list of MS and gates lobbyists | May 20 21:10 |
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| DaemonFC | well, you can host a shoutcast server on Linux | May 20 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | *shrugs* | May 20 21:12 |
| amd-linux | I still owe you guys a link... not sure if this was already posted, I tried to do so in comments, but you got ddosed while I wanted to send my comments :-) | May 20 21:12 |
| amd-linux | http://www.heise.de/open/Linux-knackt-auf-dem-Desktop-die-1-Prozent-Marke--/news/meldung/137137 | May 20 21:12 |
| amd-linux | Linux close to 15%, in front of Mac and Vista... | May 20 21:12 |
| amd-linux | on the bottom | May 20 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | Nullsoft | May 20 21:13 |
| amd-linux | of the heise news article... | May 20 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | "The company's name is a parody of Microsoft, deriving from the fact that null (nothing) is smaller than micro" | May 20 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938320/the_worlds_most_dangerous_geek | May 20 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | The guy behind Winamp :P | May 20 21:14 |
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| DaemonFC | That's because, after years of being muzzled by AOL for igniting the pirate nation, Frankel is breaking his silence. "This is an environment where I don't get to do what I want to do," he says. What he wants to do is even more radical than Gnutella. And to do this, he needs to break free. "Eighty percent of the people at AOL are clueless," he says. When I ask him if they have anything to... | May 20 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | ...fear by him leaving, he replies, half-jokingly, "If anything, they have more to fear when I'm working for them." | May 20 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | classic | May 20 21:16 |
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| amd-linux | And for browser stats and marketshare, pls consider that 99% of all bots disguise or are using IE6 as their horse: http://vale.homelinux.net/wordpress/2008/07/20/stopping-blog-spam-or-why-i-started-to-block-internet-explorer-6/ | May 20 21:19 |
| Balrog_ | I've seen many bots that fake being linux | May 20 21:19 |
| amd-linux | none in my logs... | May 20 21:19 |
| Balrog_ | the google bot does it, no? | May 20 21:19 |
| amd-linux | only IE6 | May 20 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 20 21:20 |
| Balrog_ | hrm. | May 20 21:20 |
| amd-linux | ???? Balrog??? | May 20 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | Googlebot identifies as Googlebot | May 20 21:20 |
| amd-linux | No way | May 20 21:20 |
| amd-linux | right | May 20 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | AVG Antivirus' Linkscanner IDs as IE 6 | May 20 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's a LOT of fucking traffic | May 20 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | right there | May 20 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | even if you're not using IE at all | May 20 21:20 |
| Balrog_ | hmm, IE 5 works though | May 20 21:20 |
| amd-linux | User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html) | May 20 21:20 |
| amd-linux | typical comment spammer entry: * User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Maxthon; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) | May 20 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | heh, he got $100 million to sell Nullsoft to AOL | May 20 21:22 |
| amd-linux | Probably SPAM!(Akismet Spam) | May 20 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | I would have taken it and ran too | May 20 21:23 |
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| Grommet | but I like to use suse :( | May 20 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://xkcd.com/528/ | May 20 21:37 |
| Grommet | lol | May 20 21:38 |
| amd-linux | rofl | May 20 21:41 |
| amd-linux | although quite senseless ;-) | May 20 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://digg.com/microsoft/Microsoft_spreads_more_FUD_about_Firefox_Chrome_and_Opera | May 20 21:49 |
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| _Goblin | hi all | May 20 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/microsoft-pays-yes-men-to-spread-more-fud-about-firefox-chrome-and-opera/ | May 20 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | scroll down | May 20 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 22:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: already Dugg | May 20 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | just added another pic | May 20 22:08 |
| schestowitz | FP-bound | May 20 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | I was bored | May 20 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Burying_the_truth_Boycott_Novell_hit_by_DDoS_attack 94 Diggs, no FP | May 20 22:08 |
| tacone | obviously | May 20 22:08 |
| tacone | too much time | May 20 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/do_not_want_cat.jpg?w=430&h=286 | May 20 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | May 20 22:08 |
| tacone | you have to be dug *fast* | May 20 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. cute kitty | May 20 22:11 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it was fast | May 20 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I think. | May 20 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I only noticed it with lie 40 in 5 hours | May 20 22:11 |
| _Goblin | Lol Ive just had a comment to me by Microsoftlegal (yeah right) "Leave scott alone. we are watching" Its insulting that anyone would think I would be even the remotest bit worried about rubbish like that. | May 20 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJSuduTrPs | May 20 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | still funny | May 20 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0m3s9h_z0A | May 20 22:16 |
| _Goblin | Oh and now since I exposed that message, its been deleted! This MicrosoftLegal has me very frightened! ;) | May 20 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got our library to order some Linux books | May 20 22:20 |
| tacone | not fast enough i think. | May 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | guides on Fedora and Ubuntu are sitting on the same shelf as Vista and XP | May 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | so that's a win | May 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 22:20 |
| tacone | not anything you care to get on the front page anyway. | May 20 22:20 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks. http://www.stefanoforenza.com/lost-in-paris-roundup/ | May 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | the difference is the Windows books don't come with a Windows DVD | May 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 20 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's where the real fight should be | May 20 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | getting books on Linux in the libraries | May 20 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | where people will stumble onto them while they're trying to get XP or Vista under control | May 20 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbdQvQzU_NY&feature=channel | May 20 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | too funny | May 20 22:24 |
| tacone | thanks for what ? it was already known :) | May 20 22:26 |
| tacone | http://squeedlyspooch.com/blog/2009/05/07/license/ someone would like to be a fucking lawyer | May 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he screwed her voice | May 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Actually makes it worse, not better | May 20 22:28 |
| tacone | "Now I believe that Mono is either not ready for prime time yet or has been created in order to demonstrate how greener the Windows grass is." | May 20 22:28 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I see.... | May 20 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Lawyer with a foul mouth | May 20 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | I have to assume that Mono is a Windows advertisement | May 20 22:30 |
| schestowitz | tacone: that's what it is. Mono is about putting .NET at the centre | May 20 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | I've never seen a good application come from Mono even without the patent issue | May 20 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | have you? | May 20 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Then you can choose between NoDevelop of Visual Strudio | May 20 22:31 |
| schestowitz | and NoMo versus .NET | May 20 22:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: none that are big | May 20 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think anyone will ever make anything in Mono or .Net that I'd want to use | May 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Uni cracked. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/20/iis_bug_fells_university_server/ Solution? Apache http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/why-are-you-not-running-apache-new-iis-holes-should-make-you-rething-your-web-server | May 20 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | heh | May 20 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | I just ripped a 2 record set :P | May 20 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | not often that I get to rip from vinyl | May 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is Vista+marketing+bribed bloggers+bullies bloggers+new UI | May 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Google accused of selling free clicks < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/20/google_search_ad_boondoggles/ > | May 20 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm using Windows 7 display drivers | May 20 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | on Vista | May 20 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | that's how different they are | May 20 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Wallpapers | May 20 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Can't wait till Windows 7 is out. Can you get the wallpapers /already/? | May 20 22:37 |
| schestowitz | All that stuff around the wallpaper is of no interest to me, so.. | May 20 22:37 |
| _Goblin | Aww. you not looking forward to XP toad? | May 20 22:38 |
| _Goblin | sorry *mode | May 20 22:38 |
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| the_mad_hatter | Roy, in regards to Melinda French Gates: | May 20 22:39 |
| _Goblin | @Mad hatter - Youre not a Luton Town fan are you? | May 20 22:39 |
| the_mad_hatter | she appears to be very friendly with Arian Huffington | May 20 22:39 |
| the_mad_hatter | Ariana Huffington | May 20 22:39 |
| the_mad_hatter | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/searchG/?cx=partner-pub-3264687723376607%3Atlvacw-gkue&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=melinda+gates&sa.x=0&sa.y=0&sa=Search#972 | May 20 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6863/42864422.png | May 20 22:39 |
| the_mad_hatter | No, never heard of Luton town. | May 20 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | check it out :) | May 20 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | Vista SP2 Windows 7 Nvidia drivers | May 20 22:40 |
| the_mad_hatter | Your request is being processed... Fortune's Most Powerful Women Summit Highlights: Arianna, Meredith Whitney, Melinda Gates | May 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | now if they're so radically different, that wouldn't work | May 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | would it? | May 20 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 20 22:40 |
| the_mad_hatter | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/fortunes-most-powerful-wo_n_133076.html | May 20 22:40 |
| the_mad_hatter | Empowering Women Around the World by Melinda Gates | May 20 22:41 |
| the_mad_hatter | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melinda-gates/empowering-women-around-t_b_45568.html | May 20 22:41 |
| the_mad_hatter | Also there was a meeting in New York city of the Biggest philanthropists | May 20 22:42 |
| the_mad_hatter | Warren Buffet, Michael Bloomberg, Oprah Winfrey, Bill Gates, etc. | May 20 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Hey, the_mad_hatter | May 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I have a good post about MS coming.. | May 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | As long as the critique of Microsoft is factual, it's safe to carry on | May 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Huffington Post sells out again. | May 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | May 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | It's old | May 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Like Melinda :-p | May 20 22:43 |
| schestowitz | 2008 | May 20 22:43 |
| the_mad_hatter | http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/the-rich-get-together-shhh-it-was-a-secret/ | May 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: XP toad | May 20 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Sounds right ;-) | May 20 22:44 |
| the_mad_hatter | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520872,00.html | May 20 22:44 |
| the_mad_hatter | and of course | May 20 22:44 |
| the_mad_hatter | http://news.google.com/news/more?um=1&ned=us&cf=all&ncl=dRSkdrSk16eaY1Mvb5fo_qYk7GLtM | May 20 22:44 |
| the_mad_hatter | But does it really matter? Who are the biggest givers to charity | May 20 22:45 |
| the_mad_hatter | Your request is being processed... America's Poor Are Its Most Generous Givers Of Charity | May 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Melinda is on board of Washington Post | May 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | It's in BN already | May 20 22:45 |
| the_mad_hatter | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/19/americas-poor-are-its-mos_n_205415.html | May 20 22:45 |
| the_mad_hatter | I figured it wouldn't hurt to note some other connections. | May 20 22:45 |
| schestowitz | There is also the reciprocal'masturbation' b/w Gates and Buffet these days. | May 20 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Congratulatory events | May 20 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Don't know if you spotted it | May 20 22:46 |
| the_mad_hatter | And yeah, I get the impression that Huff Post talks a good game, but talk is all. | May 20 22:46 |
| the_mad_hatter | To be expected. The Rich work together to get richer. | May 20 22:46 |
| the_mad_hatter | And fuck everyone else. | May 20 22:47 |
| the_mad_hatter | God and I getting cynical in my old age. | May 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Well, that's how it works though | May 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure what to make of it though | May 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | What angle? | May 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Unless they collude against FOSS | May 20 22:48 |
| the_mad_hatter | I'm not sure either. Something tells me there's a pattern here. | May 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Village Voice Media Sites Now Get 40 Percent Of Traffic From Blogs; Planning Local Ad Network < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/20/village-voice-media-sites-now-get-40-percent-of-traffic-from-blogs-planning-local-ad-network/ > | May 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | the_mad_hatter: yes, but it's not a Gates thing | May 20 22:48 |
| the_mad_hatter | Don't know what, or how, or why. It just looks fishy. | May 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | There are many families there | May 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Not a technology issue | May 20 22:49 |
| the_mad_hatter | Um, the real world impacts in technology. | May 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Rockefeller, Rothschild... | May 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | the_mad_hatter: yes, but why stretch this far? | May 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Unless we move to politics | May 20 22:49 |
| the_mad_hatter | I can see Billy doing more charitable giving of Windows licenses. | May 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | And then delve into the economic meltdown | May 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | We do it in IRC | May 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Not in BN though | May 20 22:50 |
| the_mad_hatter | FOSS is politics. Politics is FOSS. | May 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Not really | May 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Politics is separation of people | May 20 22:50 |
| the_mad_hatter | Yes, really. Freedom. | May 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Preventing union | May 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | FOSS and transparency scare them | May 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Secret meetings, secret deals... | May 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | the_mad_hatter: hold on. | May 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I have a video for you | May 20 22:50 |
| the_mad_hatter | ok | May 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B6B9EE3203331822&search_query=bbc+the+trap | May 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | 3 parts, 3 hours | May 20 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | the dumping of free Windows licenses under a guise of charity is worse than just making a new generation dependent on Microsoft software, it's also cheating American taxpayers because they can write the "fair market value" off their taxes for something that cost them nothing. | May 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft releases free tool for secure software development < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/138207/from/rss09 > | May 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | In other news, Unobomber releases new safety kit | May 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | *Una | May 20 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I wonder if Justin Frankel is working on anything these days | May 20 22:52 |
| the_mad_hatter | thanks, I'll download and watch them. | May 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I read about it in USENET | May 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall | May 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | AOL basically crushed all the life out of Nullsoft | May 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Like ICQ | May 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Or Netscpae | May 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Or many other products | May 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Winamp is still a decent music player, but there's been nothing really new from Nullsoft | May 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | and they were working on dozens of things | May 20 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | after they forced him out it all jsut kind of died | May 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | /dev/nullsoft | May 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | fin. | May 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Justin Frankel, dev, nullsoft | May 20 22:54 |
| the_mad_hatter | anyway, I gotta run. I've burned 5 live CDs, and I'm going for a test drive on my Acer laptop. | May 20 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAPER | May 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | sounds interesting | May 20 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | whoa | May 20 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | the thing is like, the damned death star | May 20 22:57 |
| *DaemonFC presses buttons | May 20 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmmmm | May 20 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | x64 | May 20 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Interview with Ian Hickson, editor of the HTML 5 specification. < http://www.webstandards.org/2009/05/13/interview-with-ian-hickson-editor-of-the-html-5-specification/ > | May 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Acer..? | May 20 22:59 |
| the_mad_hatter | yeah, two years old. Good machine, or at least it has been since I nuked XP. | May 20 22:59 |
| the_mad_hatter | Before that it was a disaster. I warned my wife who was using it at the time, but she figured it would be ok, and guess what - XP went down, and wiped her data at the same time. | May 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Report: Mint Considers Selling Anonymized Data from Its Users < http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/report_mint_considers_selling_anonymized_data_from.php > | May 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I never used XP much | May 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I remember rough edges and bugs | May 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | One computer at work had WinXP briedly | May 20 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Before it was wiped. It felt funny. | May 20 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | XP's most irritating bug was the tooltip behind the taskbar bug | May 20 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | Vista actually fixed that :) | May 20 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Stupid Fisher Price UI with blue, silver and olive flavour. I mean, WTF? And the customisability of the thing... I mean, damn! Is there another DE for XP? | May 20 23:03 |
| the_mad_hatter | Yeah, well I only moved to Linux 2 years ago, when my XP died on my Gateway. Still have to use Windows at work | May 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes | May 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | You can use lots of things | May 20 23:03 |
| the_mad_hatter | Of course IT at work doesn't like me. I insist on taking my own laptops on trips, I won't use the company ones with Windows. | May 20 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | I've used Blackbox on XP | May 20 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Report paves way for shipping's inclusion in climate deal < http://www.euractiv.com/en/climate-change/report-paves-way-shipping-inclusion-climate-deal/article-182485?Ref=RSS > | May 20 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I hate borrowed laptop | May 20 23:04 |
| the_mad_hatter | Anyway, gotta run. Sabayon 4.1 KDE is in the drive, and I want to run it. | May 20 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Always grubby, messy and foreign | May 20 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | XP's themes looked chitzy even it was new | May 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Sabayon is life on a cliff | May 20 23:05 |
| the_mad_hatter | Also, Windows make me nervous. I hate using it. | May 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Like Vista | May 20 23:05 |
| the_mad_hatter | Life on a cliff? | May 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Not quite | May 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Just cutting edge | May 20 23:05 |
| the_mad_hatter | I rather liked 3.5, what's wrong with 4.1 | May 20 23:05 |
| the_mad_hatter | Oh, cutting edge I like. | May 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Probably ext4 and other very new packages | May 20 23:05 |
| the_mad_hatter | No, rephrase that, Bleeding Edge I like. | May 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Unless lyxany stopped pushing it | May 20 23:06 |
| the_mad_hatter | No, it's got EXT4. That's one reason I want to try it. | May 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | KDE 4.1? | May 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Use 4.2.2. | May 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | David Gerard uses it | May 20 23:07 |
| the_mad_hatter | I personally think Ubuntu is 3-5 years ahead of Microsoft, and Sabayon is probably a year ahead of that. | May 20 23:07 |
| the_mad_hatter | The SF writer? | May 20 23:07 |
| the_mad_hatter | KDE 4.2 something on Sabayon 4.1, numbers don't match. | May 20 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Housing policy and the expenses scandal < http://cabalamat.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/housing-policy-and-the-expenses-scandal/ > | May 20 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Where *is* Micorsoft? | May 20 23:09 |
| schestowitz | XP? | May 20 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Haha. VISTA?? | May 20 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow? | May 20 23:09 |
| schestowitz | As in, 7apourware? | May 20 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/04/air-force-windows/ | May 20 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Ah. PR | May 20 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | "Microsoft Offers Secure Windows … But Only to the Government" | May 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | It's being denied | May 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Claimed to be false | May 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Just look at the healdine | May 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Secure? Windows? | May 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | COME ON !!! ::-) | May 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | "Victory! the British Computer Society now uses... Firefox. (yes, I know, I know...) #bcs #uk" http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/1849032802 | May 20 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Secure Windows and Flying Pigs... Or Skinny Rhinos | May 20 23:11 |
| schestowitz | After Dadvsi Hadopi and soon the Loppsi 2 http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Ftechnologies%2Farticle%2F2009%2F05%2F18%2Fapres-la-dadvsi-et-hadopi-bientot-la-loppsi-2_1187141_651865.html&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0= | May 20 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Will the next Mr Speaker get the new era? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/daniel_finkelstein/article6322286.ece?Submitted=true | May 20 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Twittering not: MEPs fail to embrace Internet craze < http://www.euractiv.com/en/eu-elections/twittering-meps-fail-embrace-internet-craze/article-182511?Ref=RSS > | May 20 23:15 |
| MinceR | gn | May 20 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Barnet Mayor Attacks Bloggers < http://londonist.com/2009/05/barnet_mayor_attacks_bloggers.php > | May 20 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Did Microsoft just want to turn OLPC to Windows PR and kill it? < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/05/nobody-buying-windows-xo-laptops.html > | May 20 23:22 |
| tacone | http://twitter.com/sabdfl he doesn't say anything worth. anyways.. | May 20 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Why did the bankers behave so badly? < http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3572 > | May 20 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: who's this? | May 20 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I remember the acronym | May 20 23:26 |
| tacone | sabdfl = shuttleworth | May 20 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Is it really him? | May 20 23:26 |
| tacone | memorize that | May 20 23:26 |
| schestowitz | benevolent dictator something | May 20 23:26 |
| schestowitz | The IRC chat | May 20 23:26 |
| tacone | seems so. | May 20 23:26 |
| schestowitz | /char/nym/ | May 20 23:26 |
| tacone | he uses that nick. i bet it's him looking at the things. | May 20 23:26 |
| tacone | he seems just not be using twitter. but who know. subscribed the rss | May 20 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Government rejects Lords' surveillance criticism < http://www.out-law.com//default.aspx?page=10029 > | May 20 23:27 |
| schestowitz | same here | May 20 23:27 |
| schestowitz | But it could be a faker | May 20 23:27 |
| schestowitz | At last ... the 1709 Copyright Blog < http://the1709blog.blogspot.com/2009/05/format-shifting-and-speed-limit.html > | May 20 23:28 |
| Balrog_ | looks like possible faker | May 20 23:29 |
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| tacone | i don't think so. | May 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Spanish Solar-Powered, Bio-Degradable Netbook < http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/spanish-solar-powered-bio-degradable-netbook/ > Linux only | May 20 23:30 |
| tacone | i got the link by a launchpad bug (not by him btw) | May 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | tacone: the picture is funny | May 20 23:31 |
| schestowitz | aybe faker | May 20 23:31 |
| tacone | lol fakemarkshuttleworth.com | May 20 23:31 |
| tacone | would be nice :) | May 20 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Does he announce it in his blog? | May 20 23:31 |
| schestowitz | If not, then likely fake | May 20 23:31 |
| tacone | i don't think he did | May 20 23:32 |
| tacone | but he's not that much in blogging | May 20 23:32 |
| tacone | and he's not yet a big target | May 20 23:32 |
| tacone | YOU are a big target :) | May 20 23:32 |
| tacone | lol | May 20 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Internet Icon Richard Stallman on Alex Jones Tv (HD) 1/3:Who Needs Windows? < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZWKXNo_vA0 > | May 20 23:33 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i am pretty amazed by the mono stuff | May 20 23:35 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: I have my misgivings about that alex jones guy | May 20 23:35 |
| tacone | i mean, the visits i get. how much people are concernet by that. | May 20 23:35 |
| Balrog_ | I heard of him before ... hew's known on shortwave radio | May 20 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | CodePlex is mainly hosting shit coded in C# | May 20 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | and what the hell is Black Duck? | May 20 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/submission/1003601/RMS-on-Alex-Jones | May 20 23:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's black f* with a D | May 20 23:38 |
| schestowitz | j/k | May 20 23:38 |
| schestowitz | It's some Microsoft spinoff in my eyes | May 20 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Some MSFTer creater proprietary software to make money from FOSS | May 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | He quit his own company | May 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't trust them | May 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmmm..... all the new comments on the news server arrive from " (IP: 127.0.0.1 , localhost.localdomain)" | May 20 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | It'll make it hard to tell which comments are from Novell.com IPs ;-) | May 20 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | well it's obvious that all the stuff on CodePlex only really helps you if you use it with Microsoft's closed source/proprietary stuff, on Windows | May 20 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | so I don;t see how this makes them open source "mainstream" | May 20 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | as that shouldn't be platform specific at all | May 20 23:46 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: how does THAT happen? | May 20 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, I wouldn't even call any of the stuff they host programs | May 20 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | more like plugins | May 20 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really see anything out of thousands of items there that could be important to anything more than the handful of people who maintain them | May 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: maybe filtering SW? | May 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't know really | May 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz | BTW, pingbacks never worked for me | May 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz | On ANY of my sites (3 domains) | May 20 23:50 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: maybe :/ | May 20 23:51 |
| Balrog_ | which site is this? | May 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Ryan Paul covers the LF/MS issues correctly for a change (others spin it): http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/microsoft-linux-foundation-hate-on-ali-contract-guidelines.ars | May 20 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: all of them | May 20 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Barack Obama's US climate bill seen as a step forward < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/14/barack-obama-climate-change-bill > | May 20 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | This one is similar to criminalisation as population control mechanism: Rise in use of drug tests to sack staff without redundancy pay < http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/may/18/drugs-testing-workplace-redundancy > | May 20 23:59 |
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