MinceR | it would still remain as multifaceted as it already is | May 26 00:00 |
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MinceR | so you could have the bloat if you wanted and you could avoid it if you wanted | May 26 00:00 |
MinceR | and you could run all the popular apps on it either way | May 26 00:00 |
_Goblin | Keep in mind that many Windows users dont want to take the time to learn something new.... | May 26 00:00 |
MinceR | they're out of luck, considering that xp is dead | May 26 00:00 |
_Goblin | Could you imagine the forums flooded with comments such as "Why cant I get the spinning cube to work, like I saw on Youtube" | May 26 00:01 |
_Goblin | What I would like to see is a more equal balance. | May 26 00:01 |
MinceR | aren't they already flooded? | May 26 00:01 |
MinceR | i imagine we could still set up elitist forums | May 26 00:01 |
MinceR | i already had an idea of implementing a barrier that only lets through people in the know -- for irc, for example | May 26 00:02 |
_Goblin | I had the elitist debate with someone else, I dont think its elitist wanting (what I would have said in the 90's) lamers getting into Linux, its just they have to want to learn it and not expect everything handed to them on a plate.... | May 26 00:02 |
_Goblin | * not wanting.. | May 26 00:03 |
MinceR | actually, AROS can do antialiased truetype fonts too | May 26 00:03 |
_Goblin | give the liveCD a go....like I say, for a UAE station its great. | May 26 00:03 |
MinceR | i wouldn't mind even that -- eventually there will be companies that will hand them everything on a plate | May 26 00:04 |
MinceR | for a price. | May 26 00:04 |
MinceR | as long as hw and sw developers consider my platform important, i'll probably be happy. | May 26 00:04 |
_Goblin | but then wouldn't that simply create a situation that we have now? | May 26 00:04 |
MinceR | it wouldn't | May 26 00:04 |
MinceR | because the dominant platform won't be a heap of design flaws implemented badly | May 26 00:04 |
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MinceR | and it will be compatible and interoperable | May 26 00:05 |
MinceR | plus it will be founded on free software, which adds a lot of advantages on its own | May 26 00:06 |
_Goblin | true, but as Microsoft have shown, you can sell anything and whilst the platform may be Linux, it will be flashy GUI's and one click operations that attract users. This ethos could dominate just as Windows has done and be just as harmful to innovation...IMO | May 26 00:06 |
MinceR | i can still choose my session manager, window manager, panel, file manager, etc. separately -- and the apps i run over them | May 26 00:07 |
_Goblin | agreed, but it would have to be supported by anti-trust legislation... | May 26 00:07 |
MinceR | and it will still have to support a modular design | May 26 00:07 |
MinceR | application designers won't be able to make assumptions about what the window manager is, for example | May 26 00:08 |
MinceR | probably there will be no more desire to skin each app differently either | May 26 00:08 |
MinceR | (there's no point of the user can switch gui styles at will) | May 26 00:09 |
MinceR | s/of/if/ | May 26 00:09 |
MinceR | things can get ugly if a single stack ("distro") gains dominance, but even then it will be better than windows ever could be. | May 26 00:10 |
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_Goblin | some very good points...Maybe I have a little snobbery of my own in respect of Linux... | May 26 00:11 |
_Goblin | However I still stick by my theory that a balanced market share between Linux/Windows platform would be better for innovation as the two compete with each other. | May 26 00:11 |
_Hicham_ | Windows doesn't create anything | May 26 00:12 |
_Hicham_ | you are wrong about that | May 26 00:12 |
_Hicham_ | creativity come from the Linux side | May 26 00:12 |
_Goblin | true. Thats not what I meant.... | May 26 00:12 |
MinceR | windows never competes | May 26 00:12 |
MinceR | it just tries to make competition impossible | May 26 00:12 |
_Goblin | If Linux sets the benchmark and Windows immitates, Linux comes back with more creativity (and the same would apply for FOSS in general) | May 26 00:13 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: mistake there | May 26 00:13 |
schestowitz | GNOME vs KDE | May 26 00:13 |
schestowitz | Grub and Lilo | May 26 00:13 |
schestowitz | 32-bit and 64-bit | May 26 00:13 |
schestowitz | ARM vs x86 | May 26 00:14 |
schestowitz | Android vs Linux | May 26 00:14 |
MinceR | i think for healthy competition we'll have to look to *bsd (unless they're consumed by their frustration), proprietary unix, and smaller projects like aros and haiku | May 26 00:14 |
schestowitz | BSD vs Linux | May 26 00:14 |
schestowitz | There's ALWAYS competition | May 26 00:14 |
schestowitz | gnote vs Tomboy | May 26 00:14 |
_Goblin | true, cant argue with those examples...however... | May 26 00:14 |
_Goblin | lol | May 26 00:14 |
schestowitz | There's no real danger of monoculture | May 26 00:14 |
MinceR | crApple won't do either because they don't even know what a computer is for | May 26 00:14 |
schestowitz | GNU GPL is a phenomenon, not a company | May 26 00:14 |
schestowitz | It's a set of rules | May 26 00:14 |
schestowitz | It's like saying that having 'democracy' (pseudo of course) all over the world is a danger | May 26 00:15 |
MinceR | even distros compete against each other | May 26 00:15 |
MinceR | and do things differently | May 26 00:15 |
_Hicham_ | Linux promotes competition | May 26 00:15 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz vs Novell | May 26 00:16 |
MinceR | lol | May 26 00:16 |
schestowitz | South Korea denounces nuke test http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/25/south-korea-denounces-norths-nuke-test/ | May 26 00:16 |
_Goblin | ok...point made...but I think that competition from a "completely outside source" is far better for innovation. KDE v GNOME means nothing to average users who have been brought up on Windows...the average user (who we want to introduce to Linux) is going to be thinking in terms of Windows, so the innovation comes distro side as they try to "sell it" to users who have been brought up with Microsoft (IMO) | May 26 00:16 |
MinceR | we do have completely outside sources | May 26 00:16 |
MinceR | they even want to compete | May 26 00:17 |
MinceR | and the average user probably will think in terms of what brand computer they bought with preinstalled whatever | May 26 00:17 |
_Hicham_ | MS way is bad competition | May 26 00:17 |
_Hicham_ | they are kicking under the belt | May 26 00:17 |
schestowitz | Yes, they compete: http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/04/27 | May 26 00:18 |
schestowitz | Not by making better products though | May 26 00:18 |
_Goblin | very true Hicham, but doesnt it show how strong Linux is? | May 26 00:18 |
_Goblin | We are still here. Microsoft has not been sucessful. | May 26 00:18 |
MinceR | the war is not over | May 26 00:18 |
_Goblin | How much stronger do you think Linux is, because of the cheap and underhanded tactics its alleged MS employ? | May 26 00:19 |
MinceR | not at all | May 26 00:19 |
schestowitz | We know better now | May 26 00:19 |
_Hicham_ | I can't browse BN with FF3.5beta5 | May 26 00:19 |
MinceR | those tactics only damage everyone and everything, except m$ | May 26 00:19 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: why? | May 26 00:19 |
_Hicham_ | I have to use Chromium | May 26 00:19 |
_Hicham_ | the problem that I told u | May 26 00:19 |
_Hicham_ | high CPU usage | May 26 00:20 |
_Goblin | MinceR, so how come now more than ever more people are switching to Linux? | May 26 00:20 |
_Hicham_ | I disabled JS | May 26 00:20 |
_Hicham_ | Java | May 26 00:20 |
_Hicham_ | nothing changed | May 26 00:20 |
MinceR | _Goblin: m$'s grip on the industry is slipping | May 26 00:20 |
_Hicham_ | seems something related to new experimental Gecko | May 26 00:20 |
MinceR | _Goblin: they've built everything over the ill-gotten monopoly of windows, which is dying | May 26 00:20 |
MinceR | with it, everything else is going away | May 26 00:20 |
_Goblin | I think the tactics of MS have been a launchpad for Linux popularity... | May 26 00:20 |
MinceR | and they can't regain it | May 26 00:20 |
MinceR | compared to what? | May 26 00:21 |
MinceR | without m$, GNU/Linux could have gained popularity a lot faster | May 26 00:21 |
MinceR | the real challenges were never about technical merit here | May 26 00:21 |
MinceR | rather, beating the roadblocks put up by m$ | May 26 00:21 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: did you try opening just one page? Same outcome? | May 26 00:21 |
_Goblin | for example...the gifting of bloggers, the failure of Vista, the MS arrogance...the fact that users will no longer blame themselves for flaws in the Windows platform. | May 26 00:21 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's the Ogg embedments? | May 26 00:22 |
MinceR | (threatening and bribing OEMs, bribing politicians, legal issues, FUD, etc.) | May 26 00:22 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : no it is not ogg | May 26 00:22 |
MinceR | _Goblin: who did users blame before m$? | May 26 00:22 |
_Hicham_ | it is not even xulrunner-1.9.1 | May 26 00:22 |
_Hicham_ | it is firefox itself | May 26 00:22 |
_Hicham_ | something weird | May 26 00:22 |
schestowitz | Weird | May 26 00:22 |
schestowitz | Yeah.. | May 26 00:22 |
_Hicham_ | it is a weird bug | May 26 00:23 |
_Goblin | what? | May 26 00:23 |
_Hicham_ | coz Epiphany uses the same xulrunner | May 26 00:23 |
_Hicham_ | Chromium is much faster | May 26 00:23 |
_Hicham_ | hell faster on BN | May 26 00:23 |
MinceR | _Goblin: did users blame themselves for flaws in the OS and apps before the IBM PC? | May 26 00:23 |
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MinceR | also, consider the case when a GNU/Linux still in early development suffices only for some tasks and not for others | May 26 00:24 |
MinceR | consider that a m$-controlled environment was very detrimental for mixed deployments | May 26 00:24 |
MinceR | for example, what a windows install does to dual booting | May 26 00:24 |
MinceR | (overwriting the MBR, bluescreening upon seeing the partition table) | May 26 00:24 |
schestowitz | WTF? I wget ff and it gets me the exe file | May 26 00:24 |
_Goblin | sorry..missed that original comment...I think users blamed themselves for issues with MS products, since they took it as fact that MS would never release a buggy piece of software.. | May 26 00:24 |
MinceR | i'm not sure about that -- the way i see it is that m$ lowered the standards of quality severely | May 26 00:25 |
MinceR | people believe it's normal for an IT system to be utterly unreliable | May 26 00:25 |
_Goblin | MS was very good (IMO) at shifting the blame. I believe the catalyist for the realization by users that maybe the problem was infact with Microsoft was ME not Vista. Vista merely reinforced that opinion. | May 26 00:25 |
MinceR | people believe rebooting is just business as usual | May 26 00:25 |
_Goblin | very true... | May 26 00:26 |
_Goblin | Slow operation, malware, memory leaks are all considered "occupational hazzards" by Windows users. | May 26 00:26 |
schestowitz | I'm installing ff3.5 now | May 26 00:28 |
_Goblin | I dont think my #!CBL distro has given me any issues.. | May 26 00:28 |
MinceR | i've had issues on all platforms i've used | May 26 00:28 |
MinceR | but lesser ones on GNU/Linux | May 26 00:28 |
MinceR | and they could be worked around for the most part | May 26 00:28 |
_Goblin | I've been very lucky... | May 26 00:29 |
MinceR | with windows, there's usually no way around | May 26 00:29 |
MinceR | it just does what it wants and all i can do is sit and curse. | May 26 00:29 |
_Goblin | there is a workaround, its easy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno | May 26 00:31 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : is there Firefox3.5beta5 in Mandriva? | May 26 00:32 |
MinceR | lol | May 26 00:33 |
schestowitz | Holy c*. FF3.5 scrolls so slowly I could scream | May 26 00:35 |
_Hicham_ | you see? | May 26 00:36 |
_Hicham_ | do u think I should file a bug to Mozilla? | May 26 00:37 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I can run both now | May 26 00:39 |
schestowitz | For testing purpoises | May 26 00:39 |
schestowitz | BN worked fine in FF3.5 beta4 | May 26 00:39 |
schestowitz | I had issues with plugins (I have over 20) and another site of mine -- slow scrolling | May 26 00:39 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, tell them about slow scrolling | May 26 00:40 |
schestowitz | Give URL examples | May 26 00:40 |
_Hicham_ | slow is a real problem | May 26 00:40 |
_Hicham_ | slow scrolling makes me go nut | May 26 00:40 |
schestowitz | Yes, makes it impossible to cope with | May 26 00:40 |
_Hicham_ | with high CPU usage | May 26 00:40 |
_Hicham_ | there is no feedback on the terminal | May 26 00:41 |
_Hicham_ | even with debugging symbols | May 26 00:41 |
MinceR | gn | May 26 00:42 |
schestowitz | gn | May 26 00:43 |
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_Goblin | gn | May 26 00:43 |
_Hicham_ | wb tacone | May 26 00:45 |
MinceR | (flash) (video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2GyGv-RqFM&feature=related | May 26 00:45 |
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the_mad_hatter | Roy, comment on Groklaw has an old "Best of Usenet" post that's pretty funny | May 26 00:49 |
the_mad_hatter | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090523231352189#c758248 | May 26 00:49 |
the_mad_hatter | Microsoft Food for Windows | May 26 00:49 |
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MinceR | Microsoft® World™ for Widows™ | May 26 00:51 |
the_mad_hatter | Here's the link to the post in alt.best.of.internet | May 26 00:51 |
the_mad_hatter | http://groups.google.com/group/alt.best.of.internet/browse_thread/thread/fab6117ba519d49e/830e395da5ceaf76?hl=en&q=Microsoft+Food+for+Windows#830e395da5ceaf76 | May 26 00:51 |
the_mad_hatter | Widows? wow. | May 26 00:51 |
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_Hicham_1 | Hi oiaohm | May 26 00:57 |
tessier | heh...I had never seen that Microsoft Food thing either. | May 26 00:57 |
_Hicham_1 | schestowitz : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100951 | May 26 00:58 |
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oiaohm | VLC is going to get timeshifting. | May 26 00:59 |
_Hicham_ | I don't use VLC anymore | May 26 01:00 |
_Hicham_ | because of its Qt interface | May 26 01:00 |
_Hicham_ | there is an ongoing project to create a GTK interface | May 26 01:00 |
_Hicham_ | but it has stalled | May 26 01:01 |
oiaohm | Really when it comes to GTK there are not many good media players. | May 26 01:01 |
_Hicham_ | GNOME Mplayer | May 26 01:02 |
_Hicham_ | the front-end to MPlayer | May 26 01:02 |
_Hicham_ | and it is very well integrated into GNOME | May 26 01:02 |
_Hicham_ | and it has a browser plugin : gecko-mediaplayer | May 26 01:03 |
_Hicham_ | It would have been nice to use Gstreamer for all apps | May 26 01:03 |
_Hicham_ | but totem is crappy | May 26 01:03 |
oiaohm | http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/ kinda nicer and its not the only one when it comes to front ends that is like that _Hicham_ | May 26 01:03 |
_Hicham_ | and its developer (Bastien Nocera ) do not seem concerned | May 26 01:03 |
tacone | the most stupid post i ever wrote made to the digg frontpage | May 26 01:04 |
tacone | it makes sense... | May 26 01:04 |
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oiaohm | There seams to be design issues in the gtk camp with media players. | May 26 01:04 |
_Hicham_ | what design issues? | May 26 01:04 |
oiaohm | Making the interface simple to use by mouse _Hicham_ | May 26 01:05 |
_Hicham_ | you mean the right click menu? | May 26 01:05 |
oiaohm | Lot of the gtk ones skip when not in full screen having buttons to click on to play stop and the like. Layout of right click menu also can be a mess. Lot are also using non dockable playlists so no prevention from windows overlap. | May 26 01:09 |
oiaohm | All interface design issues _Hicham_ | May 26 01:09 |
oiaohm | I really don't know what makes QT applications different that lots of those issues don't happen. | May 26 01:10 |
_Hicham_ | did u use GNOME MPlayer? | May 26 01:10 |
oiaohm | Yes before ending up going to kmplayer than to smplayer | May 26 01:11 |
oiaohm | than/then | May 26 01:11 |
_Hicham_ | which version of GNOME Mplayer? | May 26 01:12 |
_Hicham_ | 0.9.x ? | May 26 01:12 |
oiaohm | It was back in the 0.6.x ie last year. | May 26 01:14 |
_Hicham_ | normal | May 26 01:14 |
_Hicham_ | it has improved a lot since then | May 26 01:14 |
oiaohm | It kinda required to. | May 26 01:15 |
_Hicham_ | it was a small project | May 26 01:15 |
_Hicham_ | but it would have been nice if there is more work on Gstreame | May 26 01:16 |
_Hicham_ | Gstreamer is a nice framework | May 26 01:16 |
oiaohm | Have they made there control buttons a decent size to see. | May 26 01:16 |
_Hicham_ | it is the equivalent of DirectShow/DirectSound | May 26 01:17 |
_Hicham_ | yes | May 26 01:17 |
_Hicham_ | I am gonna give u a screenshot | May 26 01:17 |
oiaohm | Lot of my media players I like control with left click. | May 26 01:17 |
_Hicham_ | u mean for pause/play? | May 26 01:18 |
oiaohm | accessing and altering playlist skiping tracks removing track... Basically all the genneral usage. | May 26 01:20 |
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oiaohm | http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/playlist_embedded3.jpg << Look at bar under menu. Along it. folder , disk ,url opens. Full screen and compat mode, Snapshot button added by developer for bug reporting, info on what is playing, playlist on and off, and configure. | May 26 01:27 |
oiaohm | With it for most usage you don't touch the menu bar or right click menus. | May 26 01:27 |
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yuhong | On the matter of Ballnux and GNU/Linux, during the GPLv3 drafting process, I once read a rationale document from the FSF saying that SLES should be called "SUSE GNU/Linux Enterprise Server". | May 26 01:30 |
yuhong | Here it is: | May 26 01:31 |
yuhong | http://gplv3.fsf.org/gpl3-dd3-rationale.pdf | May 26 01:31 |
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oiaohm | True SUSE could have chosen the BSD stack. | May 26 01:32 |
yuhong | Yes, and in fact there is Debian/kFreeBSD and Debian/kNetBSD. | May 26 01:34 |
yuhong | But BN uses Ballnux to refer to SUSE and friends and GNU/Linux to refer to all others. | May 26 01:34 |
yuhong | I just want to point this out. | May 26 01:34 |
yuhong | So I just want to point this out. | May 26 01:35 |
oiaohm | GPLv3 is on lots of key bits. | May 26 01:35 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:36 |
yuhong | Including the MS/Novell deal. | May 26 01:36 |
yuhong | BTW, reading about MS visits was interesting, because I live near there, but never visited MS. | May 26 01:37 |
oiaohm | Read GPLv3 carefully. | May 26 01:37 |
oiaohm | It realy does not allow MS/Novell to rewrite there deal. | May 26 01:38 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:38 |
yuhong | I know. | May 26 01:38 |
oiaohm | Only deals created before a particular date apply. | May 26 01:38 |
oiaohm | It also does not allow Novell to renew. | May 26 01:38 |
yuhong | But that is beside the point. | May 26 01:38 |
oiaohm | So 5 years after GPLv3 crunch. | May 26 01:39 |
yuhong | Good. | May 26 01:39 |
yuhong | It was in a footnote, BTW. | May 26 01:40 |
oiaohm | 28 March 2007 Its not that far off. | May 26 01:41 |
oiaohm | 28 March 2012 | May 26 01:41 |
yuhong | This is a GNU/Linux distribution, and is properly called SUSE GNU/Linux Enterprise | May 26 01:41 |
yuhong | Server. | May 26 01:41 |
yuhong | "This is a GNU/Linux distribution, and is properly called SUSE GNU/Linux Enterprise Server." | May 26 01:42 |
yuhong | Good also. | May 26 01:42 |
yuhong | But that is besides my point. | May 26 01:42 |
oiaohm | Linus does does not agree with the GNU tittle. | May 26 01:43 |
yuhong | I know. | May 26 01:43 |
oiaohm | Since a linux distribution is make up of programs from all different sources. | May 26 01:43 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:43 |
oiaohm | He classes is as kinda disrespectiful to other licences. | May 26 01:43 |
oiaohm | I agree with him on that. | May 26 01:43 |
tessier | I wish people weren't so dismissive of freedom when it comes to software. | May 26 01:44 |
tessier | They just don't see it as a big deal. | May 26 01:44 |
tessier | Instead they prefer to be "pragmatic" | May 26 01:44 |
tessier | Which is like a pessimist saying that they are a realist. | May 26 01:44 |
yuhong | I know. | May 26 01:44 |
oiaohm | tessier: freedom without tools to do you work is not freedom. | May 26 01:44 |
or a slave saying that things can never be different | May 26 01:44 | |
yuhong | BTW, I mentioned this before, but after reading about IBM, Oracle, Google on open source, I feel this is worth mentioning again. | May 26 01:45 |
yuhong | http://www.interopnews.com/analysis/has-open-source-jumped-the-shark.html | May 26 01:45 |
looks like a troll to me. | May 26 01:45 | |
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yuhong | Why? | May 26 01:45 |
yuhong | It does have some issues. | May 26 01:45 |
"jumped the shark" | May 26 01:45 | |
that's a really old, worn out buzzword | May 26 01:46 | |
the analysis is likely to be equally stale | May 26 01:46 | |
and it's simply wrong, free software is better now than ever. | May 26 01:47 | |
oiaohm | IBM and Orcale submit huge stacks of code to open source. | May 26 01:47 |
oiaohm | Ok they also do closed source work. | May 26 01:47 |
oiaohm | So what they respect Open Source licences they are free do make a profit. | May 26 01:47 |
everyone who uses free software commercially should be sharing what they do | May 26 01:48 | |
they make plenty of money without violating people's freedom | May 26 01:48 | |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:48 |
oiaohm | Orcale and IBM both follow standards are much as they can even in there closed source programs. | May 26 01:49 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:49 |
yuhong | ODF, for example. | May 26 01:49 |
It is cheaper to cooperate | May 26 01:50 | |
oiaohm | So trying to avoid vendor locking that takes away users freedom to access there data. | May 26 01:50 |
yuhong | For example, I have read article on BN saying that Google is a closed source company because of the AGPL issues. | May 26 01:50 |
oiaohm | Ok IBM and Orcale not what some people would like ie sharing everything. | May 26 01:51 |
yuhong | I know. | May 26 01:51 |
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oiaohm | But I am fare happier with either IBM or Orcale compared to MS or Apple. | May 26 01:51 |
yuhong | Agreed also. | May 26 01:51 |
oiaohm | We are not going to get a perfect world. | May 26 01:51 |
yuhong | Of course not. | May 26 01:52 |
oiaohm | We have to get a decent one. | May 26 01:52 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:52 |
yuhong | But I have read article on BN saying that Google is a closed source company because of the AGPL issues. | May 26 01:52 |
oiaohm | Where persons right to access there own created data exists. | May 26 01:52 |
oiaohm | From what ever system they like. | May 26 01:52 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:52 |
yuhong | As well as on IBM and Oracle. | May 26 01:52 |
oiaohm | That of course does not excude closed source. | May 26 01:53 |
yuhong | Of course not. | May 26 01:53 |
yuhong | I also read articles on BN on how Oracle harms MySQL. | May 26 01:53 |
yuhong | So I thought this would be an interesting read. | May 26 01:53 |
oiaohm | Biggest mistake we could do is make companies like IBM and Oracle as evil because they don't share. | May 26 01:53 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:54 |
oiaohm | We all know the cooperation savings in development. Money people at each will have to work it out in time. | May 26 01:54 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:54 |
oiaohm | Most important thing is freedom of data. Its more important than freedom of source. | May 26 01:56 |
oiaohm | Reason a program can be only source and that is the only program on earth that can read the data. | May 26 01:56 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:56 |
oiaohm | So it can be just as bad in some cases as vendor locking for some companies. | May 26 01:56 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:56 |
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yuhong | On church and state separation and Ziff Davis, I don't really get it. | May 26 01:58 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/ziff-davis-and-microsoft/ | May 26 01:58 |
oiaohm | MS has done a lot of this. | May 26 01:59 |
oiaohm | Its called buying the press yuhong. | May 26 01:59 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 01:59 |
oiaohm | Simpler things where tried here. | May 26 02:00 |
yuhong | And I have read this before: | May 26 02:00 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/ | May 26 02:00 |
oiaohm | We have a tv show called media watch. | May 26 02:00 |
oiaohm | Run by the goverment tv channel. | May 26 02:00 |
yuhong | But I don't really get how the church and state separation is breached. | May 26 02:00 |
oiaohm | They kinda inspect the media looking for where money has broken the law. | May 26 02:01 |
oiaohm | We had what was called cash for comment case here. | May 26 02:01 |
yuhong | I am downloading the pdf in hope to see more on this. | May 26 02:01 |
oiaohm | Where advertises were paying to control what radio operators were saying. | May 26 02:01 |
oiaohm | when not clearly defined as advertising. | May 26 02:01 |
yuhong | I know. | May 26 02:02 |
oiaohm | This is breach of what church and state separation is classed as. | May 26 02:02 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:02 |
oiaohm | Both should have there own ideas not directly controlling the other. | May 26 02:02 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:03 |
oiaohm | Ie church controlling state is bad. | May 26 02:03 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:03 |
oiaohm | and state controlling church is bad. | May 26 02:03 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:03 |
yuhong | But this BN page don | May 26 02:03 |
yuhong | But this BN page don't say much about breaching church and state. | May 26 02:03 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/ | May 26 02:03 |
yuhong | I am downloading the PDF. | May 26 02:04 |
yuhong | What I don't get is how *MS* breaches church and stat | May 26 02:04 |
oiaohm | BN is a release for schestowitz who collects documents. | May 26 02:04 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:04 |
oiaohm | MS has gone as far as reviewing media articals before they are released yuhong | May 26 02:05 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:05 |
oiaohm | So the media was no longer independant. | May 26 02:05 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:05 |
oiaohm | media ie is ment to be independant. | May 26 02:05 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:05 |
oiaohm | Other than advertising. | May 26 02:05 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:06 |
oiaohm | So it falls under the legal of breach of church and state. | May 26 02:06 |
oiaohm | Old laws. | May 26 02:06 |
oiaohm | writen before media companies existed and the two biggest groups where church and state. | May 26 02:06 |
oiaohm | Even before the existance of big companies. | May 26 02:07 |
oiaohm | Law becomes a history leason at times. | May 26 02:07 |
yuhong | From http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/what-happened-guts | May 26 02:08 |
yuhong | "Of one thing I am fairly certain. Microsoft all but eliminated mainstream software competition. As a result, Microsoft became the primary source of advertising revenue for mainstream publications. You don't bite the hand that feeds you." | May 26 02:08 |
yuhong | Which led me to wonder what happens if say Red Hat tried to advertise in IDG. | May 26 02:09 |
oiaohm | Redhat has. | May 26 02:10 |
oiaohm | Still did not change the bias. | May 26 02:10 |
yuhong | Why? | May 26 02:11 |
oiaohm | Microsoft has gone the step deeper in. | May 26 02:11 |
yuhong | I get it now. | May 26 02:11 |
oiaohm | People don't understand the harm a company can do by placing its past staff in other companies. | May 26 02:11 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:12 |
yuhong | I know. | May 26 02:12 |
oiaohm | You get someone highly protectitve of MS and get them inside you have a highly bias media. | May 26 02:12 |
oiaohm | Some media companies these days are culling those staff. | May 26 02:12 |
yuhong | I get it now, and it is not limited to media companies. | May 26 02:12 |
oiaohm | Embrace Extended Extigusih | May 26 02:13 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:13 |
oiaohm | The tripple EEE designed by MS. | May 26 02:13 |
yuhong | IMO, extending ODF is better than OOXML IMO. | May 26 02:13 |
oiaohm | Should be highly illegal. | May 26 02:13 |
yuhong | But the ODF implemention in Office 2007 SP2 is bad. | May 26 02:14 |
oiaohm | So is 2007 implementation of OOXML | May 26 02:14 |
yuhong | BTW, can you give me some names of former MS executives in IDG? | May 26 02:14 |
oiaohm | It fails the spec test too. | May 26 02:14 |
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yuhong | I want to do some research on this. | May 26 02:14 |
oiaohm | schestowitz is the better person on trackig of stuff. | May 26 02:14 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:15 |
oiaohm | I am more just aware of what is going on. schestowitz is useful. | May 26 02:15 |
oiaohm | Ok some of his articals go over the top. | May 26 02:15 |
oiaohm | but the documentation collection is the most valable thing schestowitz provides. | May 26 02:16 |
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oiaohm | Particularly when you think you are being attacked by a company. | May 26 02:16 |
oiaohm | History is handy to work out what an attacker will do next. | May 26 02:16 |
yuhong | Agreed, for example, the articles on Google/AGPL and Oracle/MySQL are some of why I was pointing out that link in the first place. | May 26 02:17 |
yuhong | On software patents being fundmentally flawed and should be abolished | May 26 02:18 |
oiaohm | Patents are a whole are not running as they attented. | May 26 02:18 |
oiaohm | Patents were ment to provide access to tech not restrict it. | May 26 02:18 |
yuhong | Yep, I was talking about abolishing of software patents. | May 26 02:19 |
oiaohm | Medical patents on dna are worse. | May 26 02:19 |
yuhong | The fundemental problem is that licensing is tied to the business model of non-free software. | May 26 02:20 |
oiaohm | And stuff like that does kill people. | May 26 02:20 |
yuhong | Which is in turn depended on artificial scarcity. | May 26 02:20 |
oiaohm | Software patents I want gone but they are not the more harmful. | May 26 02:20 |
yuhong | Which is fundementally flawed, and not just for software. | May 26 02:20 |
oiaohm | Patent system need to be reformed to how it was ment to work. | May 26 02:21 |
oiaohm | If someone lives in a poor area and cannot aford the drugs and the drugs can be made cheeply patent holder should have to take a pay cut so poor people can afford it. | May 26 02:21 |
yuhong | Another example is that last IRC session, I talked about Linux boot-time rootkits. | May 26 02:21 |
oiaohm | Linux at this stage is open to boot-time root kits. | May 26 02:22 |
yuhong | That was motiviated by an article saying that 7's security is fundementally flawed. | May 26 02:22 |
oiaohm | TPM is being added to the Linux kernel yuhong | May 26 02:22 |
yuhong | Yep as well as Windows. | May 26 02:22 |
oiaohm | Linux kernel can also be placed in the bios chip. | May 26 02:22 |
oiaohm | Out of reach. | May 26 02:23 |
yuhong | Guess my reaction when I read that the only base of that accusion is a Windows boot-time rootkit. | May 26 02:23 |
oiaohm | If you need a Linux system hardened against boot time you remove the device side of it. | May 26 02:23 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:23 |
oiaohm | If you cannot change boot devices how in hell are you going to get in. | May 26 02:24 |
oiaohm | Normal distributions against windows 7 attacks I will give you are open to it. | May 26 02:24 |
oiaohm | Harded to hell distributions where bios really don't exist the Linux kernel is basically the bios chip is solid. | May 26 02:25 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:25 |
oiaohm | MS was trying to claim it was as strong as super hardered Linux's. | May 26 02:25 |
oiaohm | Its simply not. | May 26 02:25 |
yuhong | Anyway finally I have that article I mentioned. | May 26 02:26 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/vista-7-cannot-be-fixed/ | May 26 02:26 |
oiaohm | Linux guys want to pull MS into motherboard embeded. | May 26 02:26 |
oiaohm | If we can get MS in there we have them dead. | May 26 02:26 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:27 |
oiaohm | I don't see MS living on 1 cent a copy. | May 26 02:27 |
yuhong | Yep. | May 26 02:27 |
yuhong | It says "Vista 7 Security “Cannot be Fixed. It’s a Design Problem.”. | May 26 02:27 |
Ohm, you seem to be a big fan of X. Here's a nice article that Roy pointed to about it. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide | May 26 02:27 | |
enjoy :) | May 26 02:28 | |
oiaohm | Been following that work for 4 years now. twitter most of those alterations are coming from the MPX project by the way twitter. | May 26 02:29 |
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yuhong | Guess my reaction when I read that the only base of that accusion is was Windows boot-time rootkit. | May 26 02:29 |
yuhong | Called "VBootkit 2.0". | May 26 02:29 |
If you have been following that for 4 years, how can you complain of "bit rot" and nothing happening? | May 26 02:30 | |
Looks like very active development to me. | May 26 02:30 | |
yuhong | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/042309-researchers-show-how-to-take.html | May 26 02:30 |
oiaohm | Really vista could be fixed but you are looking about maybe a billion or 2 in code alteration. | May 26 02:30 |
I already knew that there had been lots of improvement from simply using the software over 10 years, so I thought you were full of FUD. Now I know for sure. | May 26 02:31 | |
oiaohm | twitter: there is a problem. Why did like proper multi X11 support fail to get main line for a long time even that the framework for it was designed in 1996. | May 26 02:32 |
oiaohm | There has been major maintainer ship issues in X11 twitter. Since Intel taken a interest and provided someone to truely care for it things have gone ahead in leaps and bounds. | May 26 02:33 |
oiaohm | Looking at X11 history teachers you some important lesons. Looking at Linux kernel BKL mistake also teachs you some important leason. | May 26 02:34 |
oiaohm | It got to the point with the Linux BKL that no one really knew what it was doing due to code neglect. Project can have new features added yet have core parts bit rotting. | May 26 02:35 |
oiaohm | Same was true inside X11. Really in 2004 should of the internals of X11 still been processing on a single thread using virtual multithreading. Ie not using the OS provided mult threading twitter. | May 26 02:36 |
oiaohm | Most likely those two are the tip of a very large iceberg that we all need to keep our eyes open for. To protect the long term future. twitter. | May 26 02:37 |
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oiaohm | MS most likely has equal evils inside as well. | May 26 02:38 |
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oiaohm | Difference here twitter I know that feature adds don't mean bit rot in key areas of the code base is not happening. | May 26 02:39 |
oiaohm | twitter: I am a history studing person. I learn leasons from it. Failure to do so only dooms us to repeating mistakes. | May 26 02:46 |
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you are a troll, ohm. the place to talk about xorg is on the developer boards with people who both know and are interested in improvements. you bring up things you call problems here to make trouble, nothing more. | May 26 03:04 | |
oiaohm | twitter: I see you as a zellot. | May 26 03:06 |
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So why do you hang out here? | May 26 03:06 | |
oiaohm | twitter: Who will keep on saying things are prefect. You call me a troll simply because i don't agree with that look in the world. | May 26 03:07 |
oiaohm | I want open source to improve. twitter I do give feed back into projects for that reason. | May 26 03:07 |
Don't try to redefine what I said. | May 26 03:07 | |
you want to make trouble. | May 26 03:07 | |
oiaohm | Did you not see the survey on Linux usage. | May 26 03:08 |
No, I did not. | May 26 03:08 | |
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Did you conduct one? | May 26 03:09 | |
That would be interesting. | May 26 03:09 | |
oiaohm | http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/node/27455 << No I did not. | May 26 03:09 |
oiaohm | This is a true and open survey. | May 26 03:10 |
oiaohm | There are areas of Linux that need work. Making out there is not you are setting self up for failure. | May 26 03:10 |
" Avoid users who feel they must have (or really should have) Windows to do their jobs." | May 26 03:10 | |
oiaohm | Get enough converted most do follow. | May 26 03:11 |
"Some users .. may be emotionally or practically wedded to Windows,” said Dale Vile, research director, Freeform Dynamics. “The trick is to avoid getting distracted by these" | May 26 03:11 | |
oiaohm | The gaps is what blocks 100 percent conversion at times twitter. | May 26 03:11 |
I'd say the way to move on desktop GNU/Linux is to avoid and ignore the fanboys. | May 26 03:12 | |
People like you will always find faults. | May 26 03:12 | |
But it's BS, and needs to be ignored. | May 26 03:12 | |
oiaohm | Note the really should have. | May 26 03:12 |
oiaohm | There are cases were people simply cannot do there job without windows. | May 26 03:13 |
As RMS said years ago, you can't get north by going east. | May 26 03:13 | |
oiaohm | Most caused by outside entities to company. | May 26 03:13 |
It's easy enough to avoid the 1% of desktop users who are emotionally or practically dependent on Windows. The rest will be happy with the result. | May 26 03:14 | |
oiaohm | Saying Linux is perfect for everything has those 1% fighting you. | May 26 03:14 |
oiaohm | Compared to targeted deployment were it suits. Where that 1 percent leaves you alone. | May 26 03:15 |
Don't try to redefine the things I say, ohm. | May 26 03:15 | |
I say GNU/Linux is better, not perfect. | May 26 03:15 | |
oiaohm | Problem is it not better in all cases. | May 26 03:15 |
oiaohm | They will take better as perfect. | May 26 03:15 |
oiaohm | And they will skin you. | May 26 03:16 |
The 1% will fight no matter what. They need to be left with the dinky crap they love until they see reality. | May 26 03:16 | |
oiaohm | Truely no. | May 26 03:16 |
oiaohm | If you don't attack them. You can do the convert without there arguments. | May 26 03:16 |
People like you will always say that, and I think I'm tired of listening to your bullshit. | May 26 03:16 | |
oiaohm | Problem is its not bullshit. It what you got to do so deployments happen. | May 26 03:17 |
oiaohm | Remember a riot only needs a few people to set it off. | May 26 03:17 |
oiaohm | That is basically what happens if you handled it wrong. That 1percent will get like 60 percent of them up in arms with you if you don't watch how you handle it. | May 26 03:19 |
oiaohm | Lot of cases that ends with the idea of migration to Linux scrapped. So failure. | May 26 03:19 |
oiaohm | Best riot bomb they have is why should we have to learn anything new. You and I know that when you change between windows you have to learn a lot more. Its simpler to be upfront deploy where fits. | May 26 03:23 |
oiaohm | Also the areas where it don't fit reasons why we all should be focused on finding some solution twitter. | May 26 03:23 |
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oiaohm | My goals the hopeful 100 percent remove from networks I work with twitter. | May 26 03:26 |
oiaohm | Windows licencing is a pain in the ass I don't want to deal with. | May 26 03:27 |
oiaohm | By the way those mobile user problems they point to in that survey are some of my largest headaches. | May 26 03:34 |
oiaohm | Most likely unit to get infected with something is a laptop. Its also the hardest to make running linux to intergrate back into a business network. Something that really does need improving. | May 26 03:42 |
my laptop does not get infected and does not have any problem "integrating" with networks that don't run M$ crap. | May 26 03:43 | |
oiaohm | Business networks where documents have to be synced back onto central server. | May 26 03:44 |
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oiaohm | Same with login information and the like twitter. | May 26 03:46 |
that should be easy | May 26 03:46 | |
oiaohm | I know | May 26 03:46 |
oiaohm | should is the word. | May 26 03:46 |
but the drag is Windows, so why not throw it out? | May 26 03:46 | |
oiaohm | Just do the pratical of it some time. There are a lot of things that make the intergration of a system that connects and disconnects from network lot harder than it should be. | May 26 03:48 |
I'm sure Red Hat and IBM have it all figured out, thanks | May 26 03:51 | |
oiaohm | Neither do yet. | May 26 03:51 |
LOL | May 26 03:51 | |
oiaohm | I have no problems paying for Linux to get rid of windows by the way. | May 26 03:51 |
oiaohm | Work on Linux has been highly server focused. Little things like connecting and disconnect a laptop from network has kinda been over looked. | May 26 03:52 |
oiaohm | those little things hurt when trying to migrate everyone. | May 26 03:52 |
oiaohm | Of course Linux will catch up twitter. | May 26 03:54 |
I did not notice any problems at LSU's Linux lab. You are full of FUD. | May 26 03:55 | |
oiaohm | How were they doing the sync then. | May 26 03:56 |
oiaohm | Maybe they have a method I missed. | May 26 03:57 |
oiaohm | Most likely others have as well twitter. | May 26 03:58 |
I use grsync myself. I did not notice what LSU did. | May 26 03:59 | |
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oiaohm | That normally ends up in hell. | May 26 04:00 |
sync has been solved for decades in the unix world. | May 26 04:00 | |
oiaohm | User are use to alter there profile and it auto sync. | May 26 04:00 |
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oiaohm | No moving files between directories or syncing on there part. Ie it just happens. | May 26 04:01 |
sure thing, ohm. | May 26 04:01 | |
neighborlee | anymore news about ECMA verification ? ;) | May 26 04:01 |
neighborlee | Ic ant google atm..im installing gentoo < notes to self..kill friends> | May 26 04:01 |
neighborlee | lol | May 26 04:02 |
oiaohm | That not having a nice neat way of doing it way they use to gets more reistance trying to migrate them. twitter. I hope cachefs and other techs will provide better auto syncing directories. | May 26 04:03 |
oiaohm | So making migration of moble users more doable without as much reistance twitter. | May 26 04:03 |
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oiaohm | Gets even more tricky with business laptops to twitter. Were user logins laptop onto network so there user is now added to the laptop and the user can now disconnect that laptop from network and use it independant. | May 26 04:10 |
oiaohm | Small but annoying sync hole. | May 26 04:10 |
oiaohm | Also gets fun that these people expect sync to be happing real time in background when connected to network as well. Yes extreamly fun to setup in windows. twitter. | May 26 04:16 |
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schestowitz | tessier: is there mail configured for the VM? The previous account had mail notifications dispatched through WordPress, but in the VM it's returns to root's mail file with an error. | May 26 07:09 |
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tessier | schestowitz: Ah, right. I think you mentioned that once before. I will configure it. | May 26 07:17 |
schestowitz | Ah, OK :-) I thought you'd done something already. Never harms to recheck. BTW, how should I keep copies of the DBs safe (off server)? | May 26 07:18 |
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tessier | I would suggest writing a cron job to do a mysqldump every night and copy them off somewhere safe. Maybe do a nightly rsync of your whole homedir or something. | May 26 07:30 |
schestowitz | Thanks. | May 26 07:31 |
schestowitz | I tried mysqldump --user boycottn_wki –password=xxxxxx boycottn_wki > ~/wikidatabase_1.dump | May 26 07:31 |
schestowitz | Do I need root? | May 26 07:31 |
schestowitz | OT: Nokia's Linux-based N900 is coming: http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=7461 http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=1805 | May 26 07:31 |
schestowitz | "The distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack payload targeted SCO Group, a Unix vendor now famous for running itself into the ground making tremendously bad business decisions like trying to sue IBM on the strength of copyright claims related to Linux kernel source code." http://www.zdnetasia.com/techguide/security/0,39044901,62054348,00.htm | May 26 07:35 |
tessier | You should not need root | May 26 07:42 |
tessier | try --password or just -p and it should prompt you for the pw | May 26 07:42 |
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schestowitz | Oh, I see... | May 26 07:45 |
schestowitz | Let me try | May 26 07:45 |
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schestowitz | I notice that it does scp but not rsync | May 26 07:45 |
schestowitz | Never mind, got it working too :-) | May 26 07:46 |
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schestowitz | tessier: just to be sure, is it user boycottn_wki and DB boycottn_wki ? | May 26 07:49 |
schestowitz | Oh I see... | May 26 07:59 |
schestowitz | Username wrong | May 26 07:59 |
oiaohm | I wish I could say person using wrong username was uncommon. | May 26 08:08 |
schestowitz | tessier: thanks! I got it all working -- db dumps and rsync | May 26 08:11 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: my Palm record was wrong | May 26 08:11 |
schestowitz | I went into the settings files (PHP) with the vars and saw this | May 26 08:11 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: it won't accept –password=<pw> | May 26 08:13 |
oiaohm | I have a list of reasons wrong usernames users have told me over time. So far dog ate it is not on there yet. | May 26 08:16 |
schestowitz | Any idea why --password won't work? | May 26 08:17 |
oiaohm | Closest is flushed it. | May 26 08:17 |
schestowitz | Oh wait | May 26 08:17 |
schestowitz | I think I found out why | May 26 08:18 |
schestowitz | Take like half a minute to make a dump of 240MB of WordPress :-) | May 26 08:19 |
oiaohm | I guess pests are leaving you alone schestowitz. | May 26 08:20 |
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schestowitz | It would seem so | May 26 08:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/up-close-and-personal-with-debian-5-0-596821 "Judge Rules Dorm Room Search for Evidence of Prank Email Illegal" | May 26 08:38 |
schestowitz | bbl | May 26 08:38 |
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oiaohm | schestowitz: I think you just crossed links and text. | May 26 08:49 |
schestowitz | Where? | May 26 08:53 |
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oiaohm | The techradar line message you did just before schestowitz. I don't see what a review of debian has to do with Judg Rules Dorm Room Search for email | May 26 08:57 |
oiaohm | Ie in here schestowitz | May 26 08:58 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: oh, oops | May 26 09:00 |
schestowitz | BTW, crontab does not like input without EOF that's a newline | May 26 09:00 |
oiaohm | Depends on the cron in use. Most don't like that. | May 26 09:07 |
schestowitz | Anyway, I've put it all in scripts and crons | May 26 09:09 |
schestowitz | To reduce account maintainable | May 26 09:09 |
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MinceR | geekings | May 26 09:48 |
oiaohm | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25240/1103/ Even some of the strongest stick in mud MS supporters are softing there location schestowitz | May 26 09:52 |
tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34256 | May 26 09:54 |
tacone | i got a new friend today | May 26 09:54 |
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_Hicham_ | Good Morning All! | May 26 10:20 |
ushimitsudoki1 | howdy | May 26 10:21 |
_Hicham_ | I am fine samurai | May 26 10:28 |
_Hicham_ | is there any karate? | May 26 10:28 |
_Hicham_ | any katas? | May 26 10:28 |
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oiaohm | schestowitz: is it me or news is very light today. | May 26 11:14 |
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_Hicham_ | no one in here? | May 26 11:19 |
oiaohm | I am hear. | May 26 11:19 |
oiaohm | Problem is I am not finding much interesting news to talk about. | May 26 11:20 |
oiaohm | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090523231352189 The closest to interesting so far _Hicham_ | May 26 11:21 |
schestowitz | tacone: where? | May 26 11:25 |
schestowitz | I thought MarkS had commented | May 26 11:25 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: Memorial Day=slow news | May 26 11:25 |
oiaohm | Ok don't have that holiday here. | May 26 11:25 |
schestowitz | Yeah | May 26 11:25 |
schestowitz | Bank Holiday in the UK too | May 26 11:26 |
oiaohm | Even the australian news is slow. | May 26 11:26 |
schestowitz | So English-speaking press will come from SA and AU | May 26 11:26 |
tacone | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/qosmio-transformer-05-25-09.jpghttp://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/qosmio-transformer-05-25-09.jpg | May 26 11:26 |
_Hicham_ | what Memorial Day? | May 26 11:26 |
oiaohm | There is that talk about Ubuntu supporting google android binaries. | May 26 11:26 |
tacone | schestowitz: i've got my first hater (mono-fan) | May 26 11:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20090523231352189&title=the+bradsi+and+billg+emails&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=758214#c758233 | May 26 11:27 |
schestowitz | "I think I see now how companies that partner with | May 26 11:27 |
schestowitz | Microsoft end up road kill. Microsoft makes | May 26 11:27 |
schestowitz | statements the partners think mean X but they are | May 26 11:27 |
schestowitz | phrased so carefully they could also mean Y or Z, | May 26 11:27 |
schestowitz | and lo and behold, they end up meaning Y, and | May 26 11:27 |
schestowitz | presto, road kill, all those who relied on meaning | May 26 11:27 |
schestowitz | X." | May 26 11:27 |
oiaohm | http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msnovellcollab/default.mspx Give him this page and tell your hate to start reading the agreements tacone | May 26 11:27 |
tacone | i'm not even trying to deal with him. that's not the place to discuss about mono | May 26 11:28 |
tacone | he commented on a Ubuntu One post, not on a mono one | May 26 11:28 |
tacone | and he suggested iFolder. whahahaahahha :) funny. | May 26 11:28 |
schestowitz | "Gates Claims to not be Familiar with Normal E-Mail Conventions? | May 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | Q. This convention of using asterisks around words, is that because bold didn't exist in E-mails at the time? | May 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | A. I don't know. | May 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | Q. You've never seen that convention of putting asterisks around words during this time period? | May 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | A. Mostly people use capitals, capital R, capital E, capital A, like that. | May 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | Q. So the asterisks around a word mean nothing to you? | May 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | A. They tend to call that word out. | May 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | " | May 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | Senile or insanely dishonest | May 26 11:29 |
oiaohm | http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msnovellcollab/community.mspx This one in particular if you ever plan to make a profit you are screwed. | May 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | Yes, "community" | May 26 11:30 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft’s Patent Pledge for Non-Compensated Developers" | May 26 11:30 |
schestowitz | " Many software developers, often referred to as “hobbyists,” write code not with the expectation of making money, but because they enjoy solving technical challenges and participating in a community of enthusiasts who recognize and encourage one another’s talents." | May 26 11:31 |
schestowitz | Got that, ushimitsudoki1 ? | May 26 11:31 |
schestowitz | Hobbyisys | May 26 11:31 |
oiaohm | Mono in most distributions bare open-suse and suse is outside MS agreement. | May 26 11:31 |
schestowitz | To Microsoft, OpenSUSE is only allowed as a hobby | May 26 11:31 |
tacone | this ubuntu uds has hot topics. may karmic koala be good release, or something newer to some extent ? | May 26 11:31 |
schestowitz | OTherwise you're a criminal who 'steals' from Microsoft's mind share | May 26 11:31 |
oiaohm | Mono has flaws technically and legally. | May 26 11:32 |
oiaohm | You are better to mess with java. | May 26 11:32 |
oiaohm | That only have flaws technically. | May 26 11:32 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: more from Microsoft fans: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25229/1023/ | May 26 11:33 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft can attempt to be a sumo with Kumo, have a fling with Bing, but in search Google will remain king. Ouch - sorry about that, it's late at night here. " | May 26 11:33 |
schestowitz | Anyway, oiaohm , the covenants and all are old news | May 26 11:34 |
schestowitz | 2006.. | May 26 11:34 |
schestowitz | Lots of it in BN archives | May 26 11:34 |
schestowitz | Almost 6500 posts now :-D | May 26 11:35 |
tacone | wow | May 26 11:35 |
schestowitz | Andreas Schneider: csync with sftp support http://blog.cynapses.org/2009/05/26/csync-with-sftp-support/ | May 26 11:35 |
schestowitz | tacone: I used to think that over 1000 in my own blog was a LOT | May 26 11:35 |
schestowitz | And now in BN we do about 100/week | May 26 11:36 |
oiaohm | They are new news to a lot of mono fans. | May 26 11:36 |
schestowitz | What's where traffic comes from. We have heaps of material, some exclusive | May 26 11:36 |
tacone | i am at 150 | May 26 11:36 |
schestowitz | I like my own blog for personal use, like a journal | May 26 11:37 |
oiaohm | Basically tacone every time you get a mono fan ask them to explain there way out of the MS patents. | May 26 11:37 |
tacone | schestowitz: and i made the digg front page this night, btw. with the dumbest post i ever wrote. | May 26 11:37 |
schestowitz | I use it to check some stuff sometimes. Like my mail methods. scripts, etc. | May 26 11:37 |
schestowitz | oiaohm does the same | May 26 11:37 |
schestowitz | Writing in a blog tidily instead of some personal hidden files and scripts | May 26 11:37 |
tacone | oiaohm: that was just a random hater. he didn't even know what the ifolder homepage is | May 26 11:37 |
tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/shuttleworths-take-on-ubuntu-one-trademark-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-34256 | May 26 11:37 |
schestowitz | I did the same thing with research | May 26 11:37 |
schestowitz | I can look up very old experiments I was doing and share date or methods with people | May 26 11:38 |
schestowitz | My thesis template is used by thousands | May 26 11:38 |
oiaohm | I did thing it was good mono patent problem made it onto itwire. | May 26 11:39 |
_Hicham_ | can I use ur template schestowitz for my thesis too? | May 26 11:39 |
schestowitz | How to Convert RHEL 5 to CentOS 5 < http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/documentations-a-howto/213-how-to-jul-convert-rhel-5-to-centos-5 > | May 26 11:39 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: sure | May 26 11:39 |
schestowitz | It's LyX | May 26 11:40 |
_Hicham_ | why convert RHEL to CentOS? | May 26 11:40 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: mono issues become common knowledge | May 26 11:40 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: why not? | May 26 11:40 |
_Hicham_ | I don't know | May 26 11:40 |
schestowitz | We did this in BN | May 26 11:40 |
schestowitz | Last week | May 26 11:40 |
_Hicham_ | that is bad for RedHat | May 26 11:40 |
schestowitz | Expensive for some | May 26 11:40 |
schestowitz | For companies that need to show receipts RHEL would be good | May 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | To them, it's supporting the company | May 26 11:41 |
_Hicham_ | RHEL support is great | May 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | To others support is less than needed | May 26 11:41 |
_Hicham_ | who would not buy such great support? | May 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | tessier, for example, is a superb admin | May 26 11:41 |
_Hicham_ | do u use CentOS? | May 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 26 11:41 |
oiaohm | Some cases you don't need it _Hicham_ | May 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | [boycottn@boycottnovell ~]$ uname -a | May 26 11:42 |
schestowitz | Linux boycottnovell 2.6.18-128.el5xen #1 SMP Wed Jan 21 11:12:42 EST 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | May 26 11:42 |
_Hicham_ | I know, like ur case oiaohm | May 26 11:42 |
oiaohm | I pay for redhat sometimes. | May 26 11:42 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : u r running a virtual machine? | May 26 11:42 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 26 11:42 |
oiaohm | Other times I use Centos or https://www.scientificlinux.org/ instead | May 26 11:43 |
oiaohm | Both are Redhat based. | May 26 11:43 |
_Hicham_ | to protect from DDOS? | May 26 11:43 |
schestowitz | There's slso xos and startcom | May 26 11:43 |
schestowitz | And Unbreakable and maybe whitebox? | May 26 11:43 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes,. separation | May 26 11:43 |
oiaohm | scientific linux since its run by cern works very will. | May 26 11:43 |
schestowitz | Fermilinux | May 26 11:44 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u install any anti-ddos solution? | May 26 11:45 |
schestowitz | The Android Momentum Continues < http://ostatic.com/blog/the-android-momentum-continues > | May 26 11:45 |
oiaohm | Redhat licences you pay per active machine. | May 26 11:46 |
oiaohm | For some rolls you can manage well you are better to remove the redhat licence and put it on a machine that needs it. | May 26 11:47 |
_Hicham_ | SchestowitzOS, best OS in the world | May 26 11:47 |
oiaohm | There is no such thing as the best OS. | May 26 11:47 |
oiaohm | Just the one that sux's the least for a particular job. | May 26 11:47 |
schestowitz | Ecoles: l'informatique en logiciels libres Paru le Vendredi 22 Mai 2009 < http://www.lecourrier.ch/index.php?name=NewsPaper&file=article&sid=442501 > | May 26 11:54 |
schestowitz | "On ne va pas changer une Ferrari pour une 2CV juste parce qu'elle est open source.» La démarche entreprise au niveau du DIP s'inscrit dans un cadre plus vaste, à savoir une migration progressive de l'informatique de l'Etat vers des logiciels libres. Bien des serveurs informatiques de l'administration cantonale tournent déjà avec GNU/Linux, la plate-forme la plus adaptée pour cette informatique gérée par des professionnels." | May 26 11:55 |
oiaohm | Ok don't have a clue what that says. | May 26 11:56 |
schestowitz | Start-up built on free (libre) software: http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2009/05/26/start_up_built_on_free_software/ | May 26 11:56 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: _Hicham_ would know | May 26 11:56 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu Picks Up X Input 2 Support In PPA < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzI4OA > | May 26 11:58 |
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tacone | schestowitz: many hot topics in the current ubuntu uds | May 26 12:01 |
tacone | android 2 ways support. cloud integration, appcenter and much more. | May 26 12:01 |
tacone | i wonder how much of all that ham will ever be cooked for real. | May 26 12:01 |
schestowitz | Who knows...T | May 26 12:02 |
schestowitz | This morning I wonder if Ubuntu will be dethroned by another distro | May 26 12:02 |
schestowitz | Then, many articles about "Ubuntu" will lose connection with "Linux: | May 26 12:02 |
schestowitz | brb | May 26 12:02 |
tacone | ubuntu these days seems about embracing and extending. i hope that they'll never try to extinguish (but I don't think they will) | May 26 12:03 |
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Ap0g33 | I hope ubuntu to be extinguish ASAP | May 26 12:10 |
Ap0g33 | Canonical dont like Free Software as they show... | May 26 12:11 |
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mib_0tt4yi | Hello | May 26 12:12 |
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Ap0g33 | hello | May 26 12:12 |
Eruaran | I don't think I've ever been more disgusted and angry at the state of IT and education in Australia... ever. | May 26 12:13 |
Eruaran | Today the blatant nepotism and conflicts of interest (corruption) has reached a new level | May 26 12:13 |
Eruaran | Especially in New South Wales | May 26 12:14 |
Eruaran | Have a look at this: | May 26 12:14 |
Eruaran | http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,25542322-15306,00.html | May 26 12:14 |
Eruaran | They won't use Linux but they'll voluntarily become beta testers for Microsoft | May 26 12:15 |
Eruaran | And make our children beta testers for Microsoft as well as part of their corporate advertising slog | May 26 12:15 |
Eruaran | But wait there's more | May 26 12:16 |
schestowitz | WTF? | May 26 12:16 |
Eruaran | Who's that supplying the netbooks | May 26 12:16 |
schestowitz | This is indeed disgusting | May 26 12:16 |
Eruaran | Why its LENOVO of course | May 26 12:16 |
schestowitz | They give them Vista | May 26 12:16 |
schestowitz | At Linux's expense | May 26 12:16 |
schestowitz | Lenovo is sort of dying | May 26 12:16 |
schestowitz | Profits down very sharply | May 26 12:16 |
schestowitz | And MS execs | May 26 12:16 |
Eruaran | Bed buddies with MS | May 26 12:16 |
schestowitz | [OT] George Carlin - The Earth < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=948Nm34arfA&feature=related > | May 26 12:16 |
Eruaran | They reject the top flight Linux distro's and then they willingly agree to become Microsoft guinea pigs and test bunnies | May 26 12:17 |
Eruaran | Do I smell CORRUPTION ? | May 26 12:18 |
Ap0g33 | yes | May 26 12:18 |
Eruaran | Money changing hands... | May 26 12:18 |
Ap0g33 | probably... see an example http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/red-hat-sues-switzerland-over-microsoft-monopoly-965 | May 26 12:18 |
Eruaran | Ubuntu is not good enough but Windows 7 is ???? | May 26 12:18 |
Eruaran | like WTF | May 26 12:18 |
Eruaran | And of course Adobe is in on it as well | May 26 12:19 |
Eruaran | Who the F&@#! let them join the Linux foundation ? | May 26 12:19 |
Ap0g33 | I am not sure if canonical can give the same support as M$... | May 26 12:20 |
Ap0g33 | IBM should have a desktop distro to compete with M$ | May 26 12:21 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: Microsoft does similar things in Spain right now. | May 26 12:22 |
schestowitz | I will make a post later] | May 26 12:22 |
schestowitz | ITAsuaralia has been interviewing many MS employees and executives recently | May 26 12:23 |
schestowitz | They rarely cover Linux | May 26 12:23 |
schestowitz | Which company owns it? | May 26 12:23 |
schestowitz | I'm only asking. | May 26 12:23 |
Ap0g33 | what distro they should choose? ubuntu is release every 6 months (imagine if they need to install all OSs every 6 moths) | May 26 12:23 |
schestowitz | Because in the US the media companies (NBC for example) are funded and run by companies that make refrigerators (GE), so they'll encourage blind consumption | May 26 12:23 |
Ap0g33 | Red Hat is looking just to servers | May 26 12:23 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: LTS | May 26 12:24 |
schestowitz | Oops. Ap0g33 | May 26 12:24 |
schestowitz | 3 years | May 26 12:24 |
schestowitz | Tehran blocks access to Facebook < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8065578.stm >. Good! I hate Facebook :-)( | May 26 12:24 |
Eruaran | It is nothing short of sheer brinkmanship, disgusting corruption, and child abuse. Making our children corporate beta testers for Microsoft and offering kickbacks to schools who adopt and push Microsoft software. | May 26 12:25 |
schestowitz | But it's the same in other areas | May 26 12:26 |
schestowitz | Many schools are training camps for companies | May 26 12:26 |
schestowitz | They manufacture recruitmwent creiteria | May 26 12:26 |
schestowitz | Better known as marks or grades | May 26 12:26 |
Eruaran | I can't express how utterly disgusted I am. | May 26 12:27 |
schestowitz | http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/yahoos-departing-cfo-to-get-18m-in-severance-20090523-bijn.html | May 26 12:27 |
schestowitz | Uh oh... Oh oh.. | May 26 12:27 |
schestowitz | WHo replaces him? | May 26 12:28 |
schestowitz | MS cronies? | May 26 12:28 |
schestowitz | Fiesta: Cuban bloggers start revolution < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137470/cuban-bloggers-start-revolution > | May 26 12:28 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: the kids should prrotest | May 26 12:28 |
schestowitz | Like in India | May 26 12:28 |
schestowitz | Let me find photos | May 26 12:28 |
schestowitz | Microsoft uses the laptops schemes arround the world to addict kids | May 26 12:28 |
schestowitz | This time in Spain | May 26 12:28 |
schestowitz | Here: | May 26 12:29 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/05/down-with-microsoft-children-protest/W | May 26 12:29 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/05/down-with-microsoft-children-protest/ | May 26 12:29 |
schestowitz | Watch the photos | May 26 12:29 |
Eruaran | Microsoft is colluding with netbook hardware vendors to deny customer choice and protect profits: http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/microsoft-and-great-netbook-price-fixing-scam-2009-520 | May 26 12:29 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: watch those photos. They use BN graphics that I made :-) | May 26 12:32 |
Eruaran | :) | May 26 12:34 |
schestowitz | tessier: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137461/ibm-invest-vietnam (IBM to invest in Vietnam ) | May 26 12:34 |
schestowitz | Why do companies do this? | May 26 12:34 |
schestowitz | People should take Free software and control their IT | May 26 12:34 |
schestowitz | Enough of this colonialism | May 26 12:34 |
schestowitz | Then they set up junk like "Microsoft Australia" to pretend it's a local company | May 26 12:35 |
schestowitz | Nork nuke quite a lot less powerful than Hiroshima < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/26/nork_nuke_test/ > | May 26 12:40 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: I can quote you on the netbooks, right? | May 26 12:44 |
Eruaran | sure | May 26 12:47 |
Eruaran | It reeks of collusion | May 26 12:48 |
schestowitz | "How was 'Sarah' so quick off the mark in noticing your comment. One of | May 26 12:48 |
schestowitz | the BN monitors/stalkers much have contacted her directly. Unless she | May 26 12:48 |
schestowitz | don't have anything to do with CAI, or is some paid blogger. (They do | May 26 12:48 |
schestowitz | hire on pretend bloggers you know..." | May 26 12:48 |
Eruaran | Collusion in which our children are used. | May 26 12:48 |
schestowitz | We get some nasty trolls now | May 26 12:48 |
schestowitz | "'The silly thing is that Computer Aid has always been very much in | May 26 12:49 |
schestowitz | favour of linux. Just a couple of examples:', Sara | May 26 12:49 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/24/computer-aid-international-versus-olpc/ | May 26 12:49 |
schestowitz | "Roberts said that organisations in Nigeria and Namibia have already | May 26 12:49 |
schestowitz | begun to place important education systems onto an open-source | May 26 12:49 |
schestowitz | operating platform"" | May 26 12:49 |
schestowitz | 12 Oct 2004 ... | May 26 12:50 |
schestowitz | http://www.computing.co.uk/computing/features/2072448/old-pcs-lease-life-developing-world | May 26 12:50 |
schestowitz | Roy, a simple enough question is, how may Linuxes does/did CAI ship | May 26 12:50 |
schestowitz | since 2004. Remember they barcode everything. They do make a lovely | May 26 12:50 |
schestowitz | website though. | May 26 12:50 |
schestowitz | According to this they 'spend' about £500,000 on personnel, a little | May 26 12:50 |
schestowitz | less than on shipping and warehousing .. | May 26 12:50 |
schestowitz | http://www.computeraid.org/pdffiles/AnnRev06-07.pdf | May 26 12:50 |
tacone | schestowitz: http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/2009/candidates.html | May 26 12:50 |
tacone | Figuiere: "I have been involved with Free Software for a decade or so, mostly working on the application side: AbiWord, gnote, etc. " | May 26 12:51 |
tacone | lol ! | May 26 12:51 |
schestowitz | 5. Hubert Figuiere! | May 26 12:51 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 26 12:51 |
schestowitz | You beat me to it! | May 26 12:51 |
schestowitz | 6. Jorge Castro | May 26 12:51 |
schestowitz | You were not sure how pro-Mono he was... | May 26 12:51 |
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schestowitz | 10. Vincent Untz | May 26 12:52 |
schestowitz | Affiliation: Novell | May 26 12:52 |
schestowitz | 9. Srinivasa Ragavan | May 26 12:52 |
schestowitz | Affiliation: Novell | May 26 12:52 |
schestowitz | Would it annoy Hubert if we promoted him? | May 26 12:52 |
schestowitz | Some people in GNOME do not like BN | May 26 12:53 |
tacone | also Jorge Castro from Canonical | May 26 12:53 |
tacone | schestowitz: i believe so | May 26 12:53 |
tacone | i wouldn't promote him, if I were in you | May 26 12:53 |
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schestowitz | tacone: I was not going to | May 26 12:53 |
tacone | I'd just post the news with no further comments, an informational only post. | May 26 12:53 |
schestowitz | Gnote is another matter | May 26 12:53 |
schestowitz | For technical reasons | May 26 12:53 |
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mib_03w0b1 | yo, homeboy | May 26 12:54 |
schestowitz | Yo, what's up? | May 26 12:55 |
mib_03w0b1 | not much, what's this chabout ? | May 26 12:55 |
mib_03w0b1 | chan about | May 26 12:55 |
mib_03w0b1 | anyone seen 'the wire' on tv, needs subtitles ... | May 26 12:56 |
mib_03w0b1 | yo, ma n*****s .. :) | May 26 12:56 |
mib_03w0b1 | time to 'change up' ... | May 26 12:56 |
mib_03w0b1 | IRC is blocked here .. bummer | May 26 12:57 |
tacone | figuiere's is the worst candidacy mail of them all | May 26 12:58 |
mib_03w0b1 | candidacy mail ? | May 26 12:58 |
tacone | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-May/msg00035.html | May 26 12:59 |
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schestowitz | Eruaran: smell the PR: | May 26 13:01 |
schestowitz | ""We've agreed with Microsoft to participate in their first wave program and the netbooks that are on trial at the moment -- there's about 400 of them -- have all got Windows 7 on them. The kids love it," NSW Department of Education and Training (DET) chief information officer Stephen Wilson said." | May 26 13:01 |
schestowitz | aka Microsoft lunch table attendant | May 26 13:01 |
schestowitz | tacone: yes, somewhat odd | May 26 13:01 |
schestowitz | Laziness.. | May 26 13:01 |
tacone | perhaps being a little naive | May 26 13:02 |
tacone | or hopeless attempt (he's unemploeyed) | May 26 13:02 |
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mib_9emom9 | yo mu african americans, wasup | May 26 13:09 |
*schestowitz writes about Asutralia | May 26 13:10 | |
mib_9emom9 | Australia ? | May 26 13:10 |
schestowitz | tacone: said he was bored | May 26 13:10 |
schestowitz | When he started gnote | May 26 13:10 |
schestowitz | mib_9emom9: yes, a new post coming | May 26 13:10 |
tacone | yes, he was bored because unemployement. That was months ago. I don't know if he's still unemployed | May 26 13:11 |
mib_9emom9 | gtg, class is starting ... | May 26 13:12 |
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schestowitz | tacone: it says "no affiliation" | May 26 13:15 |
tacone | schestowitz: right. | May 26 13:15 |
tacone | blogosphere: http://scottnesbitt.net/ubuntublog/?p=444 (gnote review) | May 26 13:15 |
tacone | (unrelated) | May 26 13:16 |
oiaohm | There is a lot worse here schestowitz. | May 26 13:17 |
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Eruaran | Everything Stephen Wilson says, sounds like he's reading from a script given to him by Microsoft Marketing. | May 26 13:27 |
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oiaohm | Its the old logic you will not get fired for buying and supporting X. | May 26 13:35 |
oiaohm | Many companies have been X through history. | May 26 13:36 |
schestowitz | Microsoft’s Latest Netbooks Collusion and Attack on Spanish and Australian Education < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/26/spanish-and-australian-education-collusion/ > | May 26 13:36 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: and later they send shills to /,. | May 26 13:37 |
schestowitz | I saw this | May 26 13:37 |
schestowitz | When my EDGI articles made the front page | May 26 13:37 |
schestowitz | The Microsoft shills will say "Linux is bad etc etc" | May 26 13:37 |
schestowitz | So that educators who read this will say "Windows is the only choice" | May 26 13:37 |
schestowitz | "Linux is all command-line, it violate MS patents, etc etc" | May 26 13:38 |
schestowitz | That sums up the Microsoft guerrilla pretty much | May 26 13:38 |
schestowitz | Only last week I found out that Steve Ballmer married one of those guerrillas | May 26 13:38 |
schestowitz | A woman from Waggener Endstrom | May 26 13:38 |
schestowitz | A car salesman (classic liars) and AstroTurfing agency. What a match made in heaven... | May 26 13:39 |
schestowitz | It show | May 26 13:39 |
schestowitz | It shows | May 26 13:39 |
schestowitz | Steve Ballmer: " "My children - in many dimensions they're as poorly behaved as many other children, but at least on this dimension I've got my kids brainwashed: You don't use Google, and you don't use an iPod."" | May 26 13:39 |
schestowitz | So it's like they have their own Waggener Endstrom and care salespeople at home telling lies, too :-) :-) | May 26 13:39 |
schestowitz | "I've got my kids brainwashed" --Steve Ballmer | May 26 13:40 |
schestowitz | Tink about it | May 26 13:40 |
schestowitz | How many parents would say this | May 26 13:40 |
schestowitz | "I've got my kids brainwashed" | May 26 13:40 |
schestowitz | That being the case... | May 26 13:40 |
schestowitz | Why would he not brainwash employees and customers too? | May 26 13:40 |
schestowitz | Freud spins in his grave.. | May 26 13:41 |
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schestowitz | I'm guessing the origin of the word brainwash is very npleasant too. War tactics and maybe Soviet methods for deleting people's memory. I'm not sure... and he uses this to talk about what he does to his kids, his bl00d | May 26 13:42 |
oiaohm | You are only scraping a small surface of this. http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Linux-marches-on-Microsoft-in-NSW/0,130061733,139247791,00.htm?feed=pt_government | May 26 13:42 |
oiaohm | Novell is in every major Australia department schestowitz | May 26 13:43 |
schestowitz | No silly snide remark, either. | May 26 13:43 |
schestowitz | He said this to CNN | May 26 13:43 |
schestowitz | "I've got my kids brainwashed" | May 26 13:43 |
oiaohm | Now most of them only support ie as interfacing browser. | May 26 13:43 |
oiaohm | This game in Australia is a lot deeper than you are seeing schestowitz. | May 26 13:44 |
schestowitz | leave a comment | May 26 13:44 |
oiaohm | I will be putting teogther a artical in this. | May 26 13:45 |
Eruaran | Microsoft is not hindered by the US DOJ or the EU EC in Australia. And look at them go, unfettered, blatant and unperterbed. | May 26 13:45 |
oiaohm | We really need some others to start looking deeper as well. It a closed loop. | May 26 13:46 |
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oiaohm | If you cannot operate business without Windows. Schools must teach windows. | May 26 13:46 |
Eruaran | Schools should educate... | May 26 13:47 |
Eruaran | Not indoctrinate | May 26 13:47 |
oiaohm | Its a closed loop. | May 26 13:47 |
oiaohm | One feeding the other Eruaran | May 26 13:47 |
Eruaran | When I was in school I never used Windows | May 26 13:47 |
Eruaran | It didn't hurt me | May 26 13:47 |
oiaohm | I wounder how many other countries are effected this way. | May 26 13:47 |
Eruaran | When I did have to do a course using Microsoft Office, I was the guy who made the lecturer redundant by showing fellow students how to help themselves and learn without the teacher | May 26 13:48 |
Eruaran | If I hadn't used MS Office how did I do that ? | May 26 13:48 |
Eruaran | The answer is simple | May 26 13:49 |
Eruaran | Education | May 26 13:49 |
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Eruaran | I was already familiar with Word processors, spreadsheets etc. | May 26 13:49 |
oiaohm | You sound like me. Eruaran. I had to learn how to repair computers because I cannot hand write. | May 26 13:49 |
Eruaran | oiaohm: my handwriting is not so good either | May 26 13:50 |
oiaohm | And was in a rural school without computer techs near by. | May 26 13:50 |
Eruaran | I suffer from a writing stutter | May 26 13:50 |
oiaohm | I am in my 30~ | May 26 13:50 |
Eruaran | means my hand seizes up and I can't write an "e" for example | May 26 13:50 |
oiaohm | So when I went through school we did word perfect. | May 26 13:51 |
Eruaran | It started when I was 16 | May 26 13:51 |
Eruaran | But I type around 50wpm | May 26 13:51 |
oiaohm | My hands lack the physical strenth to hold pens well. | May 26 13:51 |
oiaohm | I can type up to 75 wpm. | May 26 13:51 |
Eruaran | oh | May 26 13:51 |
Eruaran | PWNED | May 26 13:51 |
Eruaran | :P | May 26 13:51 |
oiaohm | Note age might be a factor. | May 26 13:52 |
oiaohm | I have got slowly faster. | May 26 13:52 |
Eruaran | 75 is fast | May 26 13:52 |
oiaohm | I started off in high school with a typing speed of 25 words per min. | May 26 13:52 |
oiaohm | Ok end of high school. | May 26 13:53 |
oiaohm | I have kinda being slowly gaining speed since. | May 26 13:53 |
oiaohm | If I follow my releation trends I will get upto about 95 to 110 at some point. | May 26 13:53 |
Eruaran | nice | May 26 13:54 |
oiaohm | I guess you are younger than me. | May 26 13:54 |
schestowitz | Just a moment. Got an update from Spain | May 26 13:54 |
oiaohm | So you have a few years to catch the speed up. | May 26 13:54 |
Eruaran | I'm 37 | May 26 13:54 |
Eruaran | I'm a slowpoke :'( | May 26 13:54 |
oiaohm | I am 32. | May 26 13:55 |
Eruaran | mind you | May 26 13:55 |
Eruaran | I haven't been typing all that time | May 26 13:55 |
oiaohm | I have been. | May 26 13:55 |
Eruaran | I left IT around 97 | May 26 13:55 |
oiaohm | Since I cannot even write notes I can read latter. | May 26 13:55 |
Eruaran | And didn't come back to it till a couple of years ago | May 26 13:55 |
Eruaran | Hardly typed at all for about 10 years | May 26 13:55 |
oiaohm | So you can write notes for your self? | May 26 13:55 |
Eruaran | I can't write notes | May 26 13:56 |
Eruaran | I scribble | May 26 13:56 |
oiaohm | Readable scribble? | May 26 13:56 |
oiaohm | Mine is not readable to me. | May 26 13:56 |
Eruaran | it is barely readable | May 26 13:56 |
Eruaran | I have to translate for others | May 26 13:56 |
oiaohm | Unless I write at about 1 word per min. | May 26 13:56 |
oiaohm | As I say I am basically forced to type. | May 26 13:57 |
Eruaran | yep | May 26 13:57 |
oiaohm | So have been my releations. | May 26 13:57 |
Eruaran | I can't write | May 26 13:57 |
Eruaran | My grandma couldn't either | May 26 13:57 |
Eruaran | similar writing too | May 26 13:57 |
Eruaran | and my brother cant write | May 26 13:57 |
oiaohm | Its dna. | May 26 13:57 |
Eruaran | but my mum and sister are very neat | May 26 13:57 |
oiaohm | Mine is a defect that means I look about 6 to 10 years younger than my age. | May 26 13:58 |
Eruaran | I wouldn't mind such a 'defect' ;) | May 26 13:58 |
oiaohm | There is a lot of things you give up for that. | May 26 13:58 |
oiaohm | Like the means to lift heavy objects without risking dislocating something. | May 26 13:59 |
Eruaran | I had a babyface till I was about 32 | May 26 13:59 |
Eruaran | ah | May 26 13:59 |
oiaohm | Playing all forms of contact sports is out. | May 26 13:59 |
Eruaran | ok | May 26 13:59 |
oiaohm | It suxs basically. | May 26 13:59 |
Eruaran | at the end of the day | May 26 13:59 |
Eruaran | you have at least the consolation | May 26 14:00 |
oiaohm | And until you get past 30 you might just happen to have a extra defect that you could die in under 1 min. | May 26 14:00 |
Eruaran | of saying to friends | May 26 14:00 |
Eruaran | "But I'm PRETTIER than you" | May 26 14:00 |
Eruaran | oh | May 26 14:00 |
Eruaran | that could be a bit problematic | May 26 14:00 |
Eruaran | dying does cramp ones style a bit | May 26 14:01 |
Eruaran | ;) | May 26 14:01 |
Eruaran | bbs | May 26 14:01 |
Eruaran | got to head home | May 26 14:01 |
Eruaran | and fix this notebook I borked | May 26 14:01 |
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schestowitz | Bill Gates Uses Malaria to Attack GNU/< Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/26/malaria-to-attack-gnu-linux-spain/ > | May 26 14:05 |
*schestowitz hates writing on paper | May 26 14:06 | |
schestowitz | I write on paper only when I sign something or write a cheque, which is rare (I have chequebooks) | May 26 14:07 |
schestowitz | /s/have/hate/ | May 26 14:07 |
oiaohm | Hows spian's no ie webbrowser support on there web sites. | May 26 14:08 |
oiaohm | to do business. | May 26 14:08 |
schestowitz | I don't know | May 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | I'd have to ask | May 26 14:09 |
oiaohm | I am wondering if its the same closed loop as here. | May 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | Someone from Spain looks out for us... and looks /at/ some details | May 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: see latest post | May 26 14:09 |
oiaohm | Tell them to test the sites. | May 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | I wrote about this | May 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | "Interoperability" | May 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | Microsoft corrupts it | May 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | On purpose | May 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | "It comes from above" | May 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | Maybe Godwin comes here, but.. | May 26 14:10 |
oiaohm | I have a lot here that claim netscape 6 compadiblely but that don't work. | May 26 14:10 |
schestowitz | Anyway, to ruin HTML, ODF, OpenDoc... everything that enables non-Windows platforms to be viable | May 26 14:10 |
schestowitz | ECIS filed complaint over that in isolation | May 26 14:10 |
oiaohm | Create a closed loop. | May 26 14:10 |
oiaohm | If you have the tax office. | May 26 14:10 |
schestowitz | As long as people are already in it | May 26 14:10 |
oiaohm | You have business. | May 26 14:10 |
schestowitz | Once they escape the loop then Microsoft is shut and f*ed | May 26 14:10 |
oiaohm | If you have business you have eductaion. | May 26 14:11 |
schestowitz | Because in a world of ODF, who would bother with .DOC or OOXML? | May 26 14:11 |
oiaohm | all are interlinked. | May 26 14:11 |
schestowitz | Who would make sites IE-only? | May 26 14:11 |
oiaohm | Australian tax office for regestering business names. | May 26 14:11 |
oiaohm | What you kinda need todo so you can operate as a business. | May 26 14:11 |
schestowitz | Yup | May 26 14:12 |
schestowitz | Let me do some news links | May 26 14:12 |
schestowitz | Slow day for many, BN can deliver nonetheless | May 26 14:12 |
oiaohm | This is why I am wondering if spain is affected the same way. | May 26 14:12 |
oiaohm | We might find a big evil global trend behind the countries sticking to MS. | May 26 14:13 |
schestowitz | i think more along an uproar | May 26 14:14 |
schestowitz | Same as in the financial sector | May 26 14:15 |
schestowitz | Lots of popular struggles | May 26 14:15 |
schestowitz | You need to fuel this with information | May 26 14:15 |
schestowitz | Just watch how many people in Spain are reacting angrily to this and how awareness of GNU rises as human rights get taken away (not just in the United States) | May 26 14:16 |
oiaohm | Australian eductaion use surveys of what businesses are using in software to justify there selections of software as well. | May 26 14:17 |
oiaohm | Ie closed loop. | May 26 14:17 |
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oiaohm | http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.asp?doc=/content/73931.htm The australian tax site recommendations to do the 2008 tax return for individuals or small businesses without windows schestowitz | May 26 14:24 |
schestowitz | Linux desktops easier to install than expected http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137464/linux-desktops-easier-install-expected | May 26 14:26 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: didn't they work on porting desktop client to Linux and Mac OS X? | May 26 14:27 |
schestowitz | I think they canned it | May 26 14:27 |
oiaohm | It was wrong. | May 26 14:28 |
oiaohm | They released the beta canned it due to too much demard for it. | May 26 14:28 |
schestowitz | Too much? | May 26 14:30 |
schestowitz | You mean too little? | May 26 14:30 |
schestowitz | Either way, THEY ARE NOT A BUSINESS | May 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | There is no DEMAND | May 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | Or ROI | May 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | This is about serving citizens | May 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | Without discrimination | May 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | Should they also stop serving blind people? | May 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | Because of "demand issues"? | May 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | How about deaf people? | May 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | Or ethical minorities? | May 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | It's not hard to make things work for everyone | May 26 14:32 |
schestowitz | Java: write once, run everywhere | May 26 14:32 |
schestowitz | HTML+CSS = screenreaders supported | May 26 14:32 |
schestowitz | I say, "Linux users should stop paying tax" | May 26 14:32 |
schestowitz | Until the "Tax Office" decides that not only "Windows users" are "people" | May 26 14:33 |
oiaohm | The file server providing the beta crashed. | May 26 14:33 |
schestowitz | So? | May 26 14:33 |
oiaohm | Ie too much demard. | May 26 14:33 |
schestowitz | OK | May 26 14:33 |
schestowitz | So they must sort if out ASAP | May 26 14:33 |
oiaohm | They just closed the beta. | May 26 14:33 |
schestowitz | One server to a country with like 30 million people? | May 26 14:33 |
schestowitz | They are not even TRYING :-) | May 26 14:33 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: oh, I see.. | May 26 14:34 |
schestowitz | So it's still on. | May 26 14:34 |
schestowitz | Good. | May 26 14:34 |
oiaohm | Don't know. | May 26 14:34 |
schestowitz | Sam Varghese wrote about it months ago | May 26 14:34 |
schestowitz | I thought they had given up | May 26 14:34 |
oiaohm | By the way Novell has the support contract for the Australian tax office. | May 26 14:34 |
oiaohm | So the sever should have been able to be made big enough. | May 26 14:34 |
oiaohm | There has been zero news on its progress since they closed the beta. | May 26 14:35 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: when was that? | May 26 14:38 |
oiaohm | http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Macs-Linux-to-wait-as-ATO-tenders-e-tax/0,130061733,339293572,00.htm?feed=pt_linux I know this is a zdnet link this backs up want I am going to say. | May 26 14:39 |
oiaohm | Over 8 months ago since they closed the beta schestowitz. | May 26 14:39 |
Eruaran | Im' | May 26 14:39 |
Eruaran | I'm back | May 26 14:39 |
oiaohm | The software for the e-tax system has been written in a mix of Delphi, VB, C++, C# and VB.NET, with the user application being mainly in Delphi, which the ATO would like to maintain. << That is the client we used for 2008 | May 26 14:39 |
oiaohm | Can you think of a worse combination of languages for a tax return program schestowitz. | May 26 14:40 |
Eruaran | Pythin | May 26 14:41 |
Eruaran | It should be done in Python | May 26 14:41 |
Eruaran | :D | May 26 14:41 |
oiaohm | Really could not make it much worse. | May 26 14:41 |
Eruaran | The Au Govt will release a Linux client when Duke Nukem Forever is released | May 26 14:42 |
schestowitz | Hehe | May 26 14:44 |
schestowitz | Or call the whole thing off | May 26 14:44 |
schestowitz | And be sued, like * Realms | May 26 14:44 |
schestowitz | (Can't recall the name) | May 26 14:44 |
oiaohm | Its basically getting to that point. | May 26 14:44 |
oiaohm | That they only possiable solution will be to sue the goverment. | May 26 14:44 |
oiaohm | You can now see why I say you are not looking deep enough schestowitz. | May 26 14:45 |
oiaohm | There is no reason for a Tax office to be OS selective. | May 26 14:45 |
oiaohm | If spain and other countries have the same problem that is where the attack needs to be. | May 26 14:46 |
Eruaran | It wouldn't surprise me if the government announced it was going to exclusively use MS-ODF | May 26 14:46 |
oiaohm | Currently the goverment standard is rtf. | May 26 14:46 |
oiaohm | Yes old rtf. | May 26 14:46 |
Eruaran | And I'm sure they'd throw in the word "interoperability" for kicks | May 26 14:46 |
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oiaohm | Yep | May 26 14:47 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | May 26 14:47 |
schestowitz | They should be sued | May 26 14:47 |
schestowitz | Both them and the collaborators at Microsoft | May 26 14:47 |
schestowitz | MS never got published for the OOXML crimes | May 26 14:47 |
schestowitz | The commission falsely said it would deal with it | May 26 14:47 |
schestowitz | It collected evidence of crime | May 26 14:48 |
schestowitz | What now? | May 26 14:48 |
schestowitz | Disgusting | May 26 14:48 |
Eruaran | the whole 'closed loop' thing must be broken | May 26 14:48 |
Eruaran | When I was in high school... let me see, we had... at least four different computer platforms in use at the school | May 26 14:49 |
Eruaran | And more that we actually used if you count friends who had Amiga's | May 26 14:50 |
Eruaran | (yes I'm getting old) | May 26 14:50 |
oiaohm | http://www.ato.gov.au/smsf/content.asp?doc=/content/00157275.htm&page=6&H6=&pc=001/135/021/001/001&mnu=40689&mfp=001/135&st=&cy=1 << its not the tax office cannot do it. | May 26 14:51 |
oiaohm | They will do it for super companyes support Linux. | May 26 14:52 |
oiaohm | Tax is one of the important things to be free. Remember the two things in this live you have a hard time avoiding. Death and Taxs. | May 26 14:55 |
Eruaran | Gives whole new meaning to "Microsoft tax" | May 26 14:59 |
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oiaohm | Have not got to the best bit yet. | May 26 14:59 |
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schestowitz | <mib_orzd35> Some news for you: http://nzoss.org.nz/news/2009/g2009-disaster | May 26 15:02 |
schestowitz | <mib_orzd35> looks like a MS deal in New Zealand has collapsed. | May 26 15:02 |
schestowitz | I will repost this | May 26 15:03 |
schestowitz | First links though.. | May 26 15:03 |
oiaohm | You do know under australian tax law you can claim back software used to generate tax return including the OS its running on. Its in the decutions. | May 26 15:03 |
oiaohm | So effectively Australian goverent is screwing up there income. | May 26 15:04 |
oiaohm | Not supporting open source software. I guess a lot of other countries are like this too. | May 26 15:04 |
oiaohm | Agree this is a little bigger than what you have been looking a lot lately schestowitz. | May 26 15:05 |
schestowitz | Do you have an article about it? | May 26 15:07 |
schestowitz | You should blog all this, then I can link | May 26 15:07 |
schestowitz | Use the IRC log | May 26 15:07 |
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oiaohm | I have been putting the notes toegether on this schestowitz. | May 26 15:08 |
oiaohm | So far writing the complete document is going to be fun. | May 26 15:09 |
oiaohm | From the spain with the education I am wondering if this is wider spreed than just my local country. | May 26 15:09 |
oiaohm | This is the artical I was planing have fully sorted for the upcoming weekend schestowitz. | May 26 15:12 |
oiaohm | Just from reading your site I started wondering if I was not being broad enough. | May 26 15:13 |
schestowitz | We need this stuff organised | May 26 15:14 |
schestowitz | Eventually in Wiki on themes pages | May 26 15:14 |
schestowitz | Next month I'll organise | May 26 15:14 |
schestowitz | Per country too | May 26 15:14 |
schestowitz | Subheadings like education, public sector, then evidence | May 26 15:14 |
oiaohm | Tax office is a really important one. | May 26 15:16 |
oiaohm | You need them todo business in lots of countries. | May 26 15:16 |
oiaohm | More currect would be a survey to find out what countries you can do everything a business needs to do with the goverment without needing closed source software. | May 26 15:17 |
oiaohm | That cracked and open source can grow roots in busineses. | May 26 15:18 |
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oiaohm | I am off to bed. | May 26 15:21 |
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Omar87 | Hi all | May 26 15:45 |
Omar87 | So what's goin' on between M$ and Novell lately? | May 26 15:45 |
schestowitz | Hey | May 26 15:48 |
schestowitz | Omar87: not much | May 26 15:48 |
schestowitz | Results due soon | May 26 15:48 |
schestowitz | Analysts are not fearful | May 26 15:48 |
schestowitz | I saw no contract for Novell (SUSE), so expect a splat | May 26 15:48 |
Omar87 | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090523231352189 | May 26 15:48 |
schestowitz | Maybe a better-than-expectations splat | May 26 15:48 |
schestowitz | A splat nonetheless | May 26 15:48 |
schestowitz | Omar87: oh, *that* | May 26 15:49 |
Omar87 | It seems to me as thought the allies are now turning against each other. | May 26 15:49 |
schestowitz | I see your best buddy Bill is out there looking for charities and kiddies :-) | May 26 15:49 |
schestowitz | Omar87: no, old court case | May 26 15:49 |
tacone | here I am, writing the most boring post of webblogging history | May 26 15:53 |
tacone | sic | May 26 15:53 |
mtnd3w | Guess who's gonna win Ubuntu's default media player? | May 26 15:58 |
mtnd3w | Banshee | May 26 15:59 |
schestowitz | Really? | May 26 16:02 |
schestowitz | Any URL? | May 26 16:02 |
schestowitz | Who is pushing for it? | May 26 16:02 |
schestowitz | Jo? | May 26 16:02 |
schestowitz | tacone: yes,, that happens sometimes | May 26 16:02 |
schestowitz | You must spit it out anyway once you get started | May 26 16:02 |
schestowitz | it's not like it goes to a peer-reviewed journal where it will be rejected | May 26 16:03 |
mtnd3w | the only two are being debated are Rhythmbox & Banshee | May 26 16:06 |
mtnd3w | Banshee has a lot of spamers behind it | May 26 16:06 |
mtnd3w | which makes it looks like the Ubuntu community is behind it. | May 26 16:06 |
tacone | should be discussed at the uds | May 26 16:10 |
tacone | and the uds is now | May 26 16:10 |
schestowitz | banshee is Novell | May 26 16:10 |
schestowitz | Maybe Novell is running its squad again | May 26 16:10 |
tacone | there are gobby documents out there | May 26 16:10 |
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tacone | i'll try to give a look to them later. | May 26 16:10 |
tacone | i don't think that's something officially scheduled for discussion | May 26 16:10 |
tacone | see you later | May 26 16:10 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/30/novell-patrol/ | May 26 16:11 |
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schestowitz | New Zealand’s Freedom Fighters Defeat Microsoft’s Latest ‘Colonisations Directive’ < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/26/microsoft-nz-colonisation-kaput/ > | May 26 16:19 |
mtnd3w | Look at this guy: "anyone who thinks exaile is a viable option as the default !ubuntu music player must be insane. banshee or rhythmbox are the only ones" | May 26 16:24 |
*schestowitz prefers Amarok | May 26 16:25 | |
*MinceR prefers Audacious | May 26 16:25 | |
mtnd3w | amarok, is fantastic | May 26 16:28 |
mtnd3w | but they're discussion for the gnome environment | May 26 16:28 |
schestowitz | http://www.vm.fi/vm/en/04_publications_and_documents/01_publications/04_public_management/20031015Recomm/65051.pdf I'm not sure how to bring it into current discussion. | May 26 16:29 |
schestowitz | macabe_: yes, I know. | May 26 16:29 |
schestowitz | I used xmms for many years | May 26 16:29 |
schestowitz | GTK AFAIK | May 26 16:29 |
schestowitz | But that's Exhaile now? | May 26 16:30 |
schestowitz | I also used Rhythmbox a few times. | May 26 16:30 |
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mtnd3w | Audacious is a good option too, but Banshee shouldn't be on the discussion table | May 26 16:31 |
mtnd3w | just on the merit of it's performance, it's lacking | May 26 16:32 |
schestowitz | Gnote Gets Positive Reviews, Its Developer Runs for GNOME Foundation’s Board of Directors < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/26/gnote-positive-reviews/ > | May 26 16:35 |
schestowitz | mtnd3w: well, that's mono jit | May 26 16:36 |
schestowitz | Also, there's lots in terms of space bloat | May 26 16:36 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu should knock out the Mono, free up space and pick Mono-free apps | May 26 16:37 |
mtnd3w | lol | May 26 16:38 |
mtnd3w | exactly, there are so many alternatives | May 26 16:38 |
benJIman | Banshee leaves rythembox in the dust performanecwise with a large collection. | May 26 16:40 |
mtnd3w | troll | May 26 16:40 |
benJIman | It's one of the few players that can cope with playlists with tens of thousands of tracks. Amarok fails too. | May 26 16:40 |
mtnd3w | last time i fired up banshee, it died while trying to scan my library | May 26 16:41 |
schestowitz | mtnd3w: he is | May 26 16:44 |
schestowitz | benJIman is an opensuse guy lurking here | May 26 16:44 |
mtnd3w | that's what Ubuntu will become | May 26 16:45 |
mtnd3w | OpenSuSe | May 26 16:45 |
benJIman | Clearly people who have a different point of view are trolls. | May 26 16:45 |
mtnd3w | if it keeps ignoring performance guidlines | May 26 16:45 |
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mtnd3w | OpenSuSe is filled with lagging apps | May 26 16:45 |
mtnd3w | benJIman: give Exaile a try, plus the thing about Amarok is it's in a Qt environment, you always get weird performance when you mix environments | May 26 16:46 |
Aondo | are there any benchmarks on the talking case of performance between the mediaplayers? | May 26 16:46 |
schestowitz | OT: Capitalism Hits the Fan: A Lecture on the Economic Meltdown - Preview < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8ZH1ejtIFo > | May 26 16:50 |
schestowitz | It's not just a performance thing; what about features, control (e.g. Novell), patents, etc.? | May 26 16:51 |
Aondo | yes, i just asked since this seemed to be the pressing issue for benJIman. | May 26 16:52 |
mtnd3w | Aondo: Rythmbox is written is C always superior than the pseudo language Banshee is written in | May 26 16:54 |
mtnd3w | Exaile is written in Python also better than C#Mono | May 26 16:54 |
schestowitz | Michael Moore < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlMYzLlQ0n4&NR=1 > | May 26 16:56 |
MinceR | strange, i mix toolkits and environments all the time and get weird performance only rarely | May 26 16:57 |
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mtnd3w | schestowitz: Great video on Michael Moore | May 26 17:04 |
mtnd3w | he nails it, it's socialism when it comes to losses for the corporations | May 26 17:05 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090525/1542304998.shtml Swedish Judge In Charge Of Determining Bias Of Pirate Bay Judge Removed... For Bias | May 26 17:10 |
schestowitz | mtnd3w: it's tought love | May 26 17:10 |
schestowitz | mtnd3w: it's tough love | May 26 17:10 |
schestowitz | Love for them | May 26 17:10 |
schestowitz | tough for the rest | May 26 17:10 |
schestowitz | MinceR: they want consistency | May 26 17:12 |
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DaemonFC | I'm watching California's ruling on Proposition Hate | May 26 17:34 |
DaemonFC | watching for it anyway | May 26 17:34 |
DaemonFC | so far no news | May 26 17:34 |
schestowitz | What is this? | May 26 17:36 |
DaemonFC | ? | May 26 17:36 |
schestowitz | I can imagine. | May 26 17:36 |
schestowitz | Those rules that criminalise hate or speech containing hate | May 26 17:36 |
schestowitz | The UN proposed rules that censor religious disdain | May 26 17:37 |
DaemonFC | To see if the United States of KKK (Republicans/Christians) can have their way stand up to judicial review | May 26 17:37 |
schestowitz | I recently learned also that the gay population in the US is also criminalised in like 20 states | May 26 17:37 |
DaemonFC | no, not criminalized | May 26 17:37 |
schestowitz | While I'm not gay, it's appalling to see how religious or fanatic some LEGISLATOR become. | May 26 17:37 |
DaemonFC | those laws were state to state, most were repealed by 2003, whe the supreme court struck down the rest of them | May 26 17:38 |
DaemonFC | in Lawrence vs. Texas | May 26 17:38 |
schestowitz | What if the more superficial types ran the country and economy? | May 26 17:38 |
DaemonFC | it's just a divisive issue, they know that they can keep more of their "followers" in line by demonizing a minority | May 26 17:38 |
DaemonFC | no different than racial segregation in the mid 20th century | May 26 17:39 |
schestowitz | Outsourcing the 'enemy' | May 26 17:39 |
schestowitz | Oops | May 26 17:39 |
schestowitz | Rather, making ones home rather than away | May 26 17:39 |
DaemonFC | they'll find people to hate, it's what they do | May 26 17:39 |
DaemonFC | it's all they do | May 26 17:39 |
DaemonFC | it keeps them in power | May 26 17:39 |
schestowitz | The ones to protect (never be to seen as enemies are those 'in charge') | May 26 17:39 |
schestowitz | Dvision can come from within (clash of ethnicities and other separable traits) | May 26 17:40 |
schestowitz | Else you declare war against outside forces | May 26 17:40 |
schestowitz | The methods used to control the population in one's own land are spookily similar to ones used beyond enemy territory | May 26 17:41 |
DaemonFC | well, internal enemy (gays, muslims, Mexicans) and external enemies (Most of the middle east and central and south America that we want cheap oil from) | May 26 17:41 |
schestowitz | IOW, citizens are treated like an enemy, especially once they recognise what is going on and disseminate information about it | May 26 17:41 |
DaemonFC | they stay in power by convincing people that they're always under attack | May 26 17:41 |
schestowitz | Well, we are | May 26 17:42 |
schestowitz | Under attack | May 26 17:42 |
schestowitz | But not from /those/ people they name | May 26 17:42 |
DaemonFC | with Hitler, it was the Jews as the internal enemy | May 26 17:42 |
schestowitz | Rather, by a feudalistic structure | May 26 17:42 |
DaemonFC | governments change, but they use the same lies | May 26 17:42 |
DaemonFC | the Republicans use gays in the same manner | May 26 17:42 |
schestowitz | Wage slavery to some, with stagnant wages for decades so that corporations can buy more | May 26 17:42 |
DaemonFC | yeah, the price of everything goes up, your wage stays the same, then that's if you're lucky eough to still be working | May 26 17:43 |
DaemonFC | ;) | May 26 17:43 |
schestowitz | Yeah. | May 26 17:43 |
schestowitz | Inflation is a wonderful thing | May 26 17:44 |
schestowitz | You take people's wages down | May 26 17:44 |
schestowitz | And they don't even notice | May 26 17:44 |
schestowitz | Part of class war | May 26 17:44 |
DaemonFC | inflation and taxes | May 26 17:44 |
DaemonFC | this cap and trade thing is a massive tax that will be passed down to consumers | May 26 17:44 |
schestowitz | And those depriving people of wages then lend money to the very same people, to be paid back (with interest) | May 26 17:44 |
DaemonFC | to take away their buying power | May 26 17:44 |
DaemonFC | we have to cut our emissions even though no other country in the world does | May 26 17:45 |
DaemonFC | even though smog clouds from China float across the ocean and end up over the United States | May 26 17:45 |
DaemonFC | it's a ruse | May 26 17:45 |
DaemonFC | the Chinese are now the biggest source of pollution in the world | May 26 17:46 |
DaemonFC | they don't give a shit what they burn or how much damage it does | May 26 17:46 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: population there is like 5 times bigger, too | May 26 17:46 |
schestowitz | Well, depending on whose numbers you go by | May 26 17:46 |
schestowitz | China too does not count many people in existence | May 26 17:46 |
DaemonFC | doesn't really matter, if they wanted cleaner fuels they could use those | May 26 17:47 |
schestowitz | It's not a fight over climate | May 26 17:47 |
DaemonFC | but then their manufacturing costs would go up | May 26 17:47 |
schestowitz | It's over human civilisation | May 26 17:47 |
DaemonFC | and the Western countries would go buy things from India more and more | May 26 17:47 |
schestowitz | Trying to maintain large population and gene expansion | May 26 17:47 |
schestowitz | China has at least tried to control it. Does population size decrease yet|? | May 26 17:47 |
DaemonFC | unfortunately, most governments view endless reproduction as some kind of a human right | May 26 17:47 |
schestowitz | Cheaper fuels.. | May 26 17:47 |
schestowitz | Another issue | May 26 17:48 |
schestowitz | We burn 'fossil fuels' | May 26 17:48 |
schestowitz | These will run out within decades | May 26 17:48 |
schestowitz | In a matter of 100 years | May 26 17:48 |
schestowitz | with 7% increase per year that's a doubling rate/decade | May 26 17:48 |
DaemonFC | sooner | May 26 17:48 |
schestowitz | Then you move to another source of burnable something | May 26 17:48 |
DaemonFC | The Saudi's are lying about how much they have | May 26 17:48 |
DaemonFC | I'd say no more than 30 years | May 26 17:48 |
schestowitz | Dead animals that chew or produce cell from sun energy will run out | May 26 17:49 |
schestowitz | Then what? | May 26 17:49 |
DaemonFC | "Don't ask how much we have, we'll FIND MORE......SOMEWHERE" | May 26 17:49 |
DaemonFC | is the standard line | May 26 17:49 |
schestowitz | Humans (homo sapients) are like this bacteria in a petri dish that grow massively overnight | May 26 17:49 |
schestowitz | Tripling per 100 years | May 26 17:49 |
schestowitz | Tiny timeframe genealogically. | May 26 17:50 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: re: "Don't ask how much we have, we'll FIND MORE......SOMEWHERE" | May 26 17:50 |
schestowitz | Sounds like loan mentality | May 26 17:50 |
schestowitz | "We'll get another credit card" | May 26 17:50 |
DaemonFC | a single bacteria is not dangerous | May 26 17:50 |
schestowitz | Then it ends up like a Ponzi scheme | May 26 17:50 |
DaemonFC | except in its ability to endlessly reproduce | May 26 17:50 |
schestowitz | Running to overnight loan shops | May 26 17:51 |
schestowitz | Well, it does reproduce | May 26 17:51 |
schestowitz | Else it would not exist | May 26 17:51 |
schestowitz | It's Darwinian | May 26 17:51 |
schestowitz | As biologists will put it grossly | May 26 17:51 |
DaemonFC | personally I think that people should be allowed to freeze semen then be sterilized | May 26 17:51 |
DaemonFC | you'd see population stabilize | May 26 17:51 |
schestowitz | Something along the lines of, "the human body is just a tool for genes to replicate themselves" | May 26 17:52 |
schestowitz | That's from a purely scientific and nihilistic POV | May 26 17:52 |
DaemonFC | instinct short circuits higher thought | May 26 17:52 |
DaemonFC | that's where violence and sexual drive come from | May 26 17:52 |
schestowitz | Ye | May 26 17:53 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 26 17:53 |
schestowitz | Animal insticts | May 26 17:53 |
schestowitz | without them we're a weak chain | May 26 17:53 |
DaemonFC | would be nice if we could engineer the legacy programming out | May 26 17:53 |
schestowitz | It would not work | May 26 17:55 |
schestowitz | You then leave those who are reprogrammed to become a dying breed, extinct | May 26 17:55 |
schestowitz | Some cultures have 10 kids | May 26 17:55 |
DaemonFC | the UN wants western countries to hemorrhage jobs and money to the 3rd world | May 26 17:57 |
DaemonFC | as a form of population control | May 26 17:57 |
tacone | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/?p=105 | May 26 17:57 |
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schestowitz | "I want to thank Seb, Jorge ..." | May 26 18:00 |
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schestowitz | "I owe Jorge Castro a beer." | May 26 18:00 |
schestowitz | MOTU | May 26 18:00 |
schestowitz | "Monobuntu" | May 26 18:00 |
tacone | no banshee for now | May 26 18:01 |
tacone | i have to collect gobby notes | May 26 18:01 |
tacone | i'm not on linux right now, sadly | May 26 18:01 |
schestowitz | BN discussed in Spain: http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/burbuja-inmobiliaria/113006-bill-gates-visita-hoy-zapatero.html | May 26 18:03 |
tacone | urgh... | May 26 18:07 |
tacone | i read badly | May 26 18:07 |
tacone | Rhythmbox will remain default “library” player in Karmic - UNLESS a list of specific blockers mentioned in the Gobby notes is fixed, at which point Banshee would become the default. | May 26 18:07 |
mtnd3w | what is gobby notes? | May 26 18:08 |
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DaemonFC | uggh, I need a hair cut, oil change, and prescription refill :p | May 26 18:12 |
DaemonFC | Walmart it is :P | May 26 18:12 |
MinceR | today's wtf moment was brought to you by ibm >> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/26/159249&from=rss | May 26 18:17 |
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schestowitz | L33t INVENT~1 | May 26 18:27 |
trmanco | http://dibani.org/index.php?post/2009/05/26/Micorsoft-uses-GPL-V3-software-to-promote-windows-against-Linux | May 26 18:30 |
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schestowitz | Defending Against Movie-Plot Threats with Movie Characters < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/defending_again.html > | May 26 19:03 |
schestowitz | "In 2004, I wrote about the prevalence of secret questions as backup passwords. The problem is that the answers to these "secret questions" are often much easier to guess than random passwords. Mother's maiden name isn't very secret." http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/secret_question.html | May 26 19:04 |
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neighborlee | oh hey guys..friend checked for me on ubuntu forums, and im told there is yet NO reply about my ecma question... | May 26 19:09 |
neighborlee | schestowitz: interseting if so..surprised I admit that I am. | May 26 19:09 |
neighborlee | schestowitz: you can verify..post would be under m y name and ecma topic | May 26 19:09 |
schestowitz | Thans. | May 26 19:11 |
neighborlee | np | May 26 19:11 |
neighborlee | I would check myself, but atm im semi stuck in gentoo install so its harder to do so..considering atm im stuck using LINKS LOL ;)) | May 26 19:12 |
neighborlee | EEK <dont ask why im even bothering..so pushy friends insistence I try it again> haha | May 26 19:12 |
mtnd3w | lol this was hilarious: "Micorsoft uses GPL V3 software to promote windows against Linux" | May 26 19:14 |
neighborlee | oooooooook ;)) | May 26 19:14 |
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schestowitz | Guy Sues Guinness For Naming Him The Most Litigious Person In The World < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090525/1449164996.shtml > | May 26 19:35 |
mtnd3w | wow this is a crazy video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHqndf9Kx4 | May 26 19:36 |
schestowitz | Nice | May 26 19:40 |
schestowitz | But I lack context | May 26 19:40 |
schestowitz | What's Going on With CircuitCity.com? < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/10/whats-going-on-with-circuitcitycom > | May 26 19:40 |
schestowitz | So CircuitCity goes to graveyards while GM and others get socialism (bailed out). Does that depend on how many cronies each company has in govt? | May 26 19:41 |
neighborlee | I thought GM was goingto bankruptcy court.. | May 26 19:42 |
schestowitz | When? | May 26 19:43 |
mtnd3w | what are some benefits for hardware companies when they favor certain software vendors? | May 26 19:43 |
MinceR | discounts on licensing, bribes | May 26 19:44 |
schestowitz | HP recalls another 15,000 laptop batteries < http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/nm/tc_nm/storytext/us_china_hp_recall/32141669/SIG=10pih0eam;_ylt=AlVi0poGPXddhpj1pIn2dT3iS5A5/*http://www.aqsiq.gov.cn > | May 26 19:44 |
MinceR | sometimes even exclusive deals | May 26 19:44 |
MinceR | or, in the case of m$, not having license costs raised | May 26 19:44 |
mtnd3w | they get a better bulk deal from microsoft? | May 26 19:45 |
MinceR | indeed | May 26 19:45 |
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mtnd3w | ok so a company like asus | May 26 19:45 |
MinceR | at least that's what i've read | May 26 19:45 |
mtnd3w | who's been doing good with gnu/linux | May 26 19:45 |
mtnd3w | and all of a sudden microsoft comes in | May 26 19:45 |
mtnd3w | what do they offer asus | May 26 19:45 |
mtnd3w | to dilute the whole market for linux, i'm talking specifically on the netbooks | May 26 19:46 |
MinceR | not raising the price of windows licenses fourfold, for example | May 26 19:46 |
schestowitz | Collusion: Microsoft fiddling with netbook licences < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137474/microsoft-fiddling-netbook-licences > | May 26 19:46 |
mtnd3w | oh ok | May 26 19:46 |
MinceR | hopefully we'll soon get to the point where the OEM can just say "fuck you, we'll go all-linux then" | May 26 19:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-the-man-who-owns-livesearch.com/ (The Man Who Owns LiveSearch.com (No, He Doesn’t Work For Microsoft) | May 26 19:48 |
schestowitz | ) | May 26 19:48 |
schestowitz | MinceR: we're already at this point | May 26 19:49 |
schestowitz | MS then offers them kickbacks (bribes) | May 26 19:49 |
schestowitz | Which is why Microsoft's profits are down over 30% | May 26 19:49 |
schestowitz | It is not sustainability | May 26 19:49 |
MinceR | yet none of the major OEMs stood up against them | May 26 19:49 |
schestowitz | Never mind the fact that it is /criminal/, but no-one seems to be enforcing the law | May 26 19:49 |
schestowitz | MinceR: some did | May 26 19:49 |
schestowitz | Some still do | May 26 19:49 |
MinceR | who did? | May 26 19:49 |
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schestowitz | Check out the criminals from Intel again: | May 26 19:50 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137475/intel-cajoles-microsoft-limit-netbook-screen-size | May 26 19:50 |
schestowitz | It's all about screwing us, the customers | May 26 19:50 |
schestowitz | Bunch of cartels | May 26 19:50 |
schestowitz | Intel bribes OEMs like Dell $billions | May 26 19:50 |
schestowitz | There must be regulation in this market | May 26 19:50 |
schestowitz | None of that "fre market" malarkey | May 26 19:51 |
schestowitz | And the "invisible" hand nonsense... yes, it's,invisible... because it does not exist | May 26 19:51 |
MinceR | this is not "free market" | May 26 19:51 |
schestowitz | It is | May 26 19:51 |
schestowitz | Free to do what they wish | May 26 19:51 |
MinceR | no, it isn't | May 26 19:51 |
schestowitz | The "Invisible Hand" will regulate | May 26 19:51 |
MinceR | it's controlled by the few who have a lot of money | May 26 19:51 |
schestowitz | That's what THEY mean by "free" | May 26 19:51 |
schestowitz | MinceR: yes | May 26 19:52 |
mtnd3w | schestowitz: you need to write an article giving examples of how Dell, Asus, OLPC had the linux netbooks market derailed | May 26 19:52 |
MinceR | let people arm themselves and shoot these bastards | May 26 19:52 |
schestowitz | That means free market | May 26 19:52 |
mtnd3w | this inquirer article is really true for Dell | May 26 19:52 |
schestowitz | Free markets do not contradict concentration of power | May 26 19:52 |
mtnd3w | i remember when Dell first started selling linux based PCs they did the same price strategy that would benefit microsoft sales | May 26 19:52 |
schestowitz | mtnd3w: we did lots os articles | May 26 19:52 |
schestowitz | We need indexed of these | May 26 19:53 |
schestowitz | mtnd3w: they still do | May 26 19:53 |
mtnd3w | most linux users are just too happy "oh they support linux, i love them!" | May 26 19:53 |
mtnd3w | they don't understand the broader scope | May 26 19:53 |
mtnd3w | oh ok, i'll search your site then | May 26 19:54 |
mtnd3w | you're right they still do, the whole studio laptops came way too late | May 26 19:55 |
schestowitz | XPS? | May 26 19:56 |
mtnd3w | yes! that too | May 26 19:56 |
schestowitz | They should rename it LX-P or something | May 26 19:56 |
mtnd3w | lol | May 26 19:56 |
schestowitz | Sockpuppeting British politico resigns from Wikisupremecourt < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/26/wikipedia_westminster_councillor/ > | May 26 19:57 |
schestowitz | Net closes on NZ bank error fugitives < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/26/nz_overdraft_fugitives/ > Ha! | May 26 19:58 |
schestowitz | The Register is like Star Trek | May 26 19:59 |
schestowitz | There's a New Generation of writers | May 26 19:59 |
schestowitz | Mostly some kind of Microsoft cronies where the publication's reach suits them | May 26 19:59 |
schestowitz | The Microsoft deal ruined The Register for the most part | May 26 20:00 |
mtnd3w | schestowitz: you know what majority of the linux mainstream users won't say anything against Intel | May 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | Haha | May 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | I know... | May 26 20:00 |
mtnd3w | because of the whole moblin coolaid | May 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | My bro-in-law also works for Intel | May 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | Intel=scum | May 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | They should be embargoed | May 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | Same with Nokia BTW | May 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | Bringing software patents to the UK | May 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | But kids are busy singing praises of Maemo, Qt, and other nonsense | May 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | Forgetting also the Ogg debacle | May 26 20:01 |
mtnd3w | it's like the whole Apple/Mac crowd | May 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/positions/Nokia.pdf | May 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | Apple too | May 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | Novell... | May 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | IBM... | May 26 20:02 |
schestowitz | Sun... | May 26 20:02 |
schestowitz | The level of offense just varies | May 26 20:02 |
schestowitz | Many people have short memory span or limited sight | May 26 20:02 |
schestowitz | Like failing to see how IBM is puking out its filthy software patents | May 26 20:02 |
mtnd3w | they were rejecting the open video audio codecs for html5 right? | May 26 20:02 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 26 20:03 |
schestowitz | No DRM.. poor sods | May 26 20:03 |
mtnd3w | hah | May 26 20:03 |
schestowitz | Also issues of patents, which Ogg proudly proclaims it has none of. | May 26 20:03 |
schestowitz | Nokia has bad apples | May 26 20:04 |
schestowitz | Like this guy | May 26 20:04 |
schestowitz | He worked for Microsoft, now Nokia | May 26 20:04 |
schestowitz | yay! Psystar Files for Bankruptcy, Ch. 11 < http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090526125156347 > | May 26 20:06 |
schestowitz | Up to no good from the start... | May 26 20:06 |
schestowitz | At least they don't need to services those Linux boxes they sold | May 26 20:06 |
schestowitz | Obama Set to Create A Cybersecurity Czar With Broad Mandate < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/25/AR2009052502104.html > OBAMMA the servant of our times... corporate interests and CZAR... you'd think you live in Prussia with such terminology, wouldn't you? | May 26 20:08 |
mtnd3w | Obama and Biden have a history of pro corporations | May 26 20:10 |
mtnd3w | specially Joe Biden, he's the reason PGP encryption was invented right? | May 26 20:10 |
mtnd3w | because he wanted to pass legislation about PC data not having any privacy protection | May 26 20:11 |
schestowitz | I didn't know that | May 26 20:11 |
schestowitz | He seems like a non-techie technocrat who thinks following the money is following the best for the country | May 26 20:12 |
mtnd3w | let me try to find you an article, my memory is vague | May 26 20:12 |
schestowitz | But he's small poptatoes | May 26 20:12 |
schestowitz | But he's small potatoes | May 26 20:12 |
schestowitz | Obama likesiwse. It's other people who matter more and pass their guidance to the 'faces', the 'fronts' | May 26 20:12 |
mtnd3w | here it is: | May 26 20:13 |
mtnd3w | "Joe Biden's pro-RIAA, pro-FBI tech voting record" http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html | May 26 20:13 |
schestowitz | Sub will explore undersea borders < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8064225.stm > Planting flags at the bottom of oceans. Why?? | May 26 20:14 |
schestowitz | mtnd3w: yes, I knew a year ago | May 26 20:15 |
schestowitz | RMS caught up later | May 26 20:15 |
schestowitz | But, mtnd3w, these people don't matter much | May 26 20:15 |
schestowitz | It's the people they bring with them who do | May 26 20:15 |
schestowitz | And both left and right have great overlap. You just need to check campaign funding | May 26 20:15 |
schestowitz | Same people, same lobbyists SOMETIMES, but usually some of the same companies looking out for themselves | May 26 20:16 |
schestowitz | Not being bitter, just stating the obvious | May 26 20:16 |
schestowitz | But the illusion of "Obama is our king" still plagues the average XBox junkie who watches BamaBiden on TV all day | May 26 20:16 |
schestowitz | So the reality totally eludes them | May 26 20:16 |
schestowitz | mtnd3w: can you help us with the Wiki perhaps? | May 26 20:17 |
mtnd3w | sure | May 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | We envision an index to better characterise companies and their acts. | May 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | You mentioned Dell | May 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | Here's something fun to do while reading. | May 26 20:18 |
mtnd3w | alright | May 26 20:18 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Dell | May 26 20:18 |
schestowitz | I need to parse these | May 26 20:19 |
schestowitz | Full text | May 26 20:19 |
schestowitz | Then, adding posts about this | May 26 20:19 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+dell&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | May 26 20:19 |
schestowitz | In June I will do lots of work on this, but I need help from others | May 26 20:20 |
mtnd3w | alright | May 26 20:20 |
mtnd3w | so each article should have a wiki subsection? | May 26 20:21 |
mtnd3w | this is a very good idea btw... | May 26 20:22 |
schestowitz | Why does Carla put this non-Linux Non-Ogg stream in Linux Today...? Frugal Friday: Interop, Trade Show Kvetching, Apple Airport Express, Kickfire < http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=10131 | May 26 20:22 |
schestowitz | mtnd3w: the ones with exhibits | May 26 20:22 |
schestowitz | Sometimes one article fits more than one strand of exhibits | May 26 20:22 |
schestowitz | And we need to parse through many exhibits | May 26 20:22 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu Polishes GNU Screen < http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/_featured/article.php/3821811/ > | May 26 20:23 |
schestowitz | Dell now offering Ubuntu on Studio XPS 13 notebook, but it's CRIPPLED: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/05/25/studio.xps.13.gets.ubuntu/ | May 26 20:28 |
schestowitz | Nokia N810 Successor Coming Soon? < http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Nokia_N810_Successor_Coming_Soon/551-102345-893.html > | May 26 20:33 |
tacone | crippled ? | May 26 20:33 |
schestowitz | Of course | May 26 20:33 |
schestowitz | Says LinuxToday | May 26 20:33 |
schestowitz | And the Nokia thing, Meh. It's Noia | May 26 20:34 |
schestowitz | *Nokia | May 26 20:34 |
tacone | ah yes, some buy option less | May 26 20:34 |
tacone | nothing that bad - all considererd | May 26 20:34 |
tacone | dell is still fighting to have hardware drivers and so on. | May 26 20:35 |
tacone | they're just playing safe. much better that than nothing. | May 26 20:35 |
schestowitz | OK, I guess it's not too bad | May 26 20:35 |
tacone | most unuseful blog post of the history: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/gnome-elections-meet-the-candidates/ | May 26 20:36 |
schestowitz | I was never that worried about them, personally. | May 26 20:36 |
schestowitz | I wish they said more about their pact with MS and Novell | May 26 20:36 |
schestowitz | If they pay for mythical patents, they should be dennounced | May 26 20:36 |
tacone | yes, that would have been interesting. | May 26 20:36 |
schestowitz | Is Moblin encumbered | May 26 20:36 |
schestowitz | ? | May 26 20:36 |
schestowitz | SUSE+S*itel | May 26 20:37 |
schestowitz | That's thing about behind-closed-doors deal. You don't know because _they don't want you to know_. They want their orgy/collusion to remain discreet | May 26 20:38 |
schestowitz | Even heard of this? Linux Unified Kernel 0.2.4 < http://forum.kde.org/linux-unified-kernel-0-2-4-t-58876.html > | May 26 20:39 |
tacone | it's down | May 26 20:41 |
schestowitz | eWeek has just hired a known pathetic troll: Don Reisinger | May 26 20:41 |
schestowitz | Google spews some random errors today | May 26 20:43 |
tacone | offlining | May 26 20:47 |
tacone | bye | May 26 20:47 |
schestowitz | "The system includes Linux-based operational software. Users can choose the preferred data preparation scheme. " http://eetimes.eu/germany/217700050 | May 26 20:47 |
schestowitz | Those with old Mac lying around can made them modern again http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6755/1/ | May 26 20:49 |
schestowitz | *macs | May 26 20:49 |
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schestowitz | AMD Phenom II X3 On Linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_phenom2_x3&num=1 | May 26 20:52 |
schestowitz | Adobe rattles the wrong tree: Adobe acts against Flash video stream recorder < http://www.h-online.com/open/Adobe-acts-against-Flash-video-stream-recorder--/news/113370 > | May 26 21:01 |
schestowitz | Priceless! : Microsoft Plays with Fire: Says Things Don't Work < http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2216&blogid=14 > | May 26 21:01 |
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schestowitz | Another Linux Phone coming... HTC plans Android-based 'OPhone' for China < http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10248999-1.html > | May 26 21:16 |
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schestowitz | Some new KDE eye candy: http://www.junauza.com/2009/05/15-beautiful-kdm-themes.html | May 26 21:23 |
schestowitz | KDE 4.3 Beta 1: A Short Preview < http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=389 > | May 26 21:23 |
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schestowitz | How would hiding Linux make it better? http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/05/invisible_linux.html;jsessionid=O35EEYOJRTIMMQSNDLPCKHSCJUNN2JVN | May 26 21:38 |
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schestowitz | Reasons for a Boss to Demand GNU/Linux from Employees < http://www.detector-pro.com/2009/05/why-your-boss-wants-you-to-use-linux.html > | May 26 21:41 |
schestowitz | Shattering of the Myth That GNU/Linux Users Won't Pay for Applications < http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/05/netflix-where-art-thou.html > | May 26 21:44 |
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schestowitz | Linux Mint 7 Works Well Even Before Final Release < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10012817o-2000498448b,00.htm > | May 26 21:48 |
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schestowitz | Applications Ecosystems Develop Around Ubuntu GNU/Linux < http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-AppCenter-112572.shtml > | May 26 21:51 |
tacone | mah | May 26 21:54 |
tacone | idiots, they never link the source | May 26 21:54 |
schestowitz | Ubicom Routers Run Linux < http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8468953219.html > | May 26 21:54 |
schestowitz | tacone: you? | May 26 21:54 |
tacone | eh, yes me | May 26 21:55 |
tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ubuntu-appstore-in-the-workings/ | May 26 21:55 |
tacone | well, they don't link anyone | May 26 21:55 |
tacone | parasites, they copy your tutorials,change 2 or 3 bits, and take credit. | May 26 21:56 |
schestowitz | I see... | May 26 21:57 |
schestowitz | SoftPedia, right? | May 26 21:57 |
schestowitz | Cause I never got this impression from them.. | May 26 21:58 |
schestowitz | Attribution is nice is the content is copyrighted | May 26 21:58 |
schestowitz | My posting style is mashup-like | May 26 21:58 |
tacone | mah | May 26 21:59 |
schestowitz | So I cite almost everything I say. There's always a concrete source for facts, but sometimes for speed peopel neglect this | May 26 21:59 |
schestowitz | That's why I hate newspapers | May 26 21:59 |
tacone | they're parasites. they offer download links of software, but never ever say you the software homepage | May 26 21:59 |
schestowitz | They stick facts and pull some without references | May 26 21:59 |
tacone | you're likely to be forced to use an old version or google by yourself | May 26 21:59 |
schestowitz | it would be nice to see newspapers [1] that links [2] to the facts -- not news -- that back [3] their facts | May 26 21:59 |
tacone | i got a tutorial copied almost enterely from them. | May 26 22:00 |
schestowitz | SoftPedia announces many new distros | May 26 22:00 |
schestowitz | They have nice screenshots tours. | May 26 22:00 |
schestowitz | Romania-based BTW | May 26 22:00 |
schestowitz | Not that it matters | May 26 22:00 |
tacone | yes, they do screen tours | May 26 22:00 |
tacone | the rest is copied. | May 26 22:00 |
schestowitz | But you said something like "parasites", which makes me thinks "gypsies" in my head | May 26 22:00 |
tacone | well, they never ever pull out original content. | May 26 22:01 |
schestowitz | It's hard to tewll | May 26 22:01 |
schestowitz | Unless they link to it | May 26 22:01 |
tacone | even workswithu is better | May 26 22:01 |
schestowitz | The honest ones that link are easier to 'catch' | May 26 22:01 |
schestowitz | And to show their inspiration | May 26 22:01 |
schestowitz | I have a hobby of catching those who make articles out of press releases | May 26 22:01 |
schestowitz | SJVN does this also | May 26 22:01 |
schestowitz | Heh. "Even". | May 26 22:01 |
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schestowitz | I perceive workswithu as a iittle hostile | May 26 22:02 |
schestowitz | Patronising and usually asking just to improve things. | May 26 22:02 |
schestowitz | Little praise | May 26 22:02 |
tacone | i found the banshee gobby note | May 26 22:02 |
tacone | i'll take a look later | May 26 22:02 |
tacone | whos sjvn ? | May 26 22:03 |
schestowitz | "Great now I can run Android, right? Not yet. I came to find out that there are many things in the Android code that rely on specific hardware features. For example, is the device powered on? Of course it is on -- we are a computer :) " http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/2009/05/hacking-android-on-ubuntu.html | May 26 22:03 |
schestowitz | Steven Nichols | May 26 22:03 |
tacone | workswithu is trying to estabilish itself as the business ubuntu magazine | May 26 22:03 |
tacone | so that if ubuntu catches on, they're the leaders in ubuntu IT things | May 26 22:03 |
tacone | they also rarely link. but at lease they pull out things, news, and original content. | May 26 22:04 |
tacone | they're not that bad | May 26 22:04 |
tacone | ubuntu android is 2 way | May 26 22:04 |
tacone | ubuntu will run on android kernel | May 26 22:04 |
tacone | is not just a matter of packaging android applications | May 26 22:04 |
trmanco | no way | May 26 22:04 |
tacone | no way what ? | May 26 22:05 |
trmanco | ubuntu will be based on adroid | May 26 22:05 |
tacone | ubuntu will run on android kernel - i repead | May 26 22:05 |
trmanco | android* | May 26 22:05 |
tacone | repeat | May 26 22:05 |
tacone | that's for a simple reason | May 26 22:05 |
schestowitz | Desktop GNU/Linux and Android Converge < http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/2009/05/hacking-android-on-ubuntu.html > | May 26 22:05 |
tacone | ubuntu supports only 1-2 arm architectures | May 26 22:05 |
tacone | android supports many more. | May 26 22:05 |
trmanco | tacone, the main desktop version won't | May 26 22:05 |
trmanco | at least I hope not | May 26 22:06 |
tacone | no, the main desktop version won't, obviously | May 26 22:06 |
trmanco | the netbook version can go with android I don't mind | May 26 22:06 |
tacone | the kernel thing, is just a matter of convenience, to get ubuntu mobile on any arm netbook out there | May 26 22:06 |
schestowitz | it's just a patchset | May 26 22:06 |
schestowitz | A branch | May 26 22:06 |
schestowitz | There is no Android kernel per se | May 26 22:07 |
schestowitz | Not more than thter is the "SUSE kernel" | May 26 22:07 |
schestowitz | Technically it's a set of addons | May 26 22:07 |
trmanco | yeah I know | May 26 22:07 |
schestowitz | Google puts its changes in mainline | May 26 22:07 |
schestowitz | or -mm | May 26 22:07 |
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_Goblin | bonjour! | May 26 22:08 |
_Goblin | Hi all! | May 26 22:08 |
_Goblin | Apparently Ive just been "exposed"....again.... | May 26 22:08 |
trmanco | uh? | May 26 22:09 |
_Goblin | Someone has read Roy's IRC log at the comment I made about being in the COLA top twenty...My mistake it wasnt a top twenty...I was 37... | May 26 22:09 |
_Goblin | so this makes them think I use a handle of someone else... | May 26 22:10 |
_Goblin | its all commented on my latest post... | May 26 22:10 |
tacone | banshee http://pastebin.com/m39042b41 | May 26 22:10 |
_Goblin | which just goes to show, theres people very interested in Roy's work. He must be doing something right if people are prepared to go through his IRC logs. | May 26 22:11 |
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schestowitz | Yo, _Goblin | May 26 22:27 |
trmanco | yeah | May 26 22:28 |
tacone | 420 diggs for the appstore | May 26 22:28 |
schestowitz | +1 | May 26 22:28 |
_Goblin | hi Roy! | May 26 22:28 |
_Goblin | just come back from work, reading your site now.... | May 26 22:29 |
_Goblin | wheres the Cpt Kirk article? | May 26 22:29 |
_Goblin | Roy, before I forget..check out the comments on my Hadron article...someone has trawled your IRC logs and thinks they've identified me. | May 26 22:30 |
trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/f24824d527bb1493 | May 26 22:35 |
_Goblin | A typical Vista experience? | May 26 22:37 |
_Goblin | It certainly is godawful... | May 26 22:38 |
trmanco | heh | May 26 22:38 |
trmanco | that's just *SOME MORE* proof that PISTA sucks | May 26 22:38 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: wait.. | May 26 22:39 |
_Goblin | ? | May 26 22:39 |
schestowitz | The one with the Heise reference | May 26 22:39 |
schestowitz | ZDNyet | May 26 22:39 |
_Goblin | yep. | May 26 22:39 |
schestowitz | PISTA with tomato sauce | May 26 22:39 |
schestowitz | Stick a fork in it... it's FRIED | May 26 22:40 |
trmanco | eh | May 26 22:42 |
schestowitz | trmanco: just posted it to COLA | May 26 22:43 |
schestowitz | Might get some reaction | May 26 22:43 |
_Goblin | lol, yeah its good Roy, but I don't think its a patch on "To boldly blow" | May 26 22:43 |
_Goblin | or Ballmer talking about the holodeck | May 26 22:44 |
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_Goblin | aww DaemonFC was here and never said hi :( | May 26 22:45 |
_Goblin | He seems to have a lot of issues with keeping a connection.... | May 26 22:45 |
_Goblin | maybe thats another restriction of the Vista 7 RC? | May 26 22:46 |
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trmanco | time to go, cya | May 26 22:46 |
trmanco | gn | May 26 22:46 |
_Goblin | gn | May 26 22:48 |
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mib_9j16bv | hi roy | May 26 22:57 |
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schestowitz | _Goblin: maybe. | May 26 23:02 |
schestowitz | He uses all sorts of things | May 26 23:02 |
_Goblin | whats his story? has he popped up before? | May 26 23:04 |
_Goblin | computer with | May 26 23:04 |
_Goblin | WinXP, the software refuses to work. Uncompatible with Vista! Programs | May 26 23:04 |
_Goblin | that I computer with | May 26 23:04 |
_Goblin | WinXP, the software refuses to work. Uncompatible with Vista! Programs | May 26 23:04 |
_Goblin | sorry.... | May 26 23:05 |
_Goblin | that WONT happen again... | May 26 23:05 |
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tacone | has digg removed the shouting ? | May 26 23:10 |
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mtnd3w | Every other post on UbuntuForums is about "how to install Moonlight" it seems like the whole of the web has made it a dependency... | May 26 23:16 |
tacone | yeah ? | May 26 23:17 |
tacone | schestowitz: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-26-006-35-NW-GN-LL-0000 | May 26 23:17 |
tacone | last comment | May 26 23:17 |
*schestowitz watches A conversation with Richard Dawkins (2/12) < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_8TO-swuX8&NR=1 > | May 26 23:18 | |
schestowitz | tacone: I hope they removed shouting.,I hated it | May 26 23:18 |
tacone | seems they did | May 26 23:19 |
tacone | i can't find it anymore. can you ? | May 26 23:19 |
schestowitz | I hardly visit Digg | May 26 23:20 |
schestowitz | Back in a moment.. | May 26 23:25 |
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schestowitz | May 26 23:08:03 <tacone>http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/26/microsoft_new_zealand/ | May 26 23:31 |
schestowitz | Thanks, got it. | May 26 23:31 |
schestowitz | There are 2 more articles I found | May 26 23:31 |
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_Hicham_ | Hi All! | May 26 23:32 |
_Goblin | hi | May 26 23:32 |
_Hicham_ | howdy _Goblin? | May 26 23:33 |
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_Goblin | :) | May 26 23:37 |
schestowitz | gn | May 26 23:39 |
_Goblin | gn | May 26 23:40 |
tacone | gn | May 26 23:40 |
tacone | sanity: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/mt-preview-15cc3896917baa4ddc800fa13286595b698a149f.php | May 26 23:57 |
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