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| schestowitz | Hey | May 27 06:04 |
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| hello | May 27 06:11 | |
| I enjoyed today's news. Thanks. | May 27 06:11 | |
| schestowitz | I'll do 4 posts in a kmoment | May 27 06:11 |
| schestowitz | The devolution (of MS) will be televised | May 27 06:12 |
| schestowitz | Then, we Linux users can get some rest | May 27 06:12 |
| 6 AM over there. You have had a long, long day. | May 27 06:13 | |
| I've been thinking about the rather obvious implications of M$ playing the patent card. It undoes so many non free software lies. | May 27 06:14 | |
| schestowitz | Some program I started running is leaking memory. Any tools to identify which it is? | May 27 06:14 |
| top? | May 27 06:14 | |
| schestowitz | Will it shows? | May 27 06:14 |
| schestowitz | I use it already | May 27 06:14 |
| schestowitz | It won't show where memory vanished | May 27 06:14 |
| It should, I think. | May 27 06:14 | |
| schestowitz | After a couple of weeks running there's lots of swapping | May 27 06:15 |
| the kernel should keep track of what requests memory, so it does not just vanish | May 27 06:15 | |
| I've noticed a lot of website java script has gotten uglier lately. | May 27 06:16 | |
| wastes lots of processor and memory | May 27 06:16 | |
| closing out my browsers stopped that | May 27 06:16 | |
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| schestowitz | Use NoScript | May 27 06:19 |
| schestowitz | It gets worse if you see just how many domsins spy on you | May 27 06:19 |
| schestowitz | S | May 27 06:19 |
| schestowitz | The 'big sites' use like 10 domain spying on you (with Scripting even) | May 27 06:19 |
| schestowitz | They don't give a s* about your performance. Many people don't even utilise tabs anyway | May 27 06:20 |
| *schestowitz stopped tracking stats in BN | May 27 06:20 | |
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| fewa | there needs to be somewhere to list all the microsoft shills on wikipedia | May 27 06:21 |
| schestowitz | We have a few | May 27 06:22 |
| schestowitz | We can set up a Wiki page | May 27 06:22 |
| schestowitz | Will you help | May 27 06:22 |
| fewa | so a collection of editors can catch the obvious stuff | May 27 06:23 |
| fewa | yeah | May 27 06:23 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | May 27 06:23 |
| cool | May 27 06:23 | |
| schestowitz | I will start a page | May 27 06:23 |
| schestowitz | Hold on. | May 27 06:23 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/People_who_edit_Wikipedia_for_Microsoft | May 27 06:26 |
| schestowitz | I've made a start | May 27 06:26 |
| schestowitz | Add those whom you know about, preferably with proof in the form of a link or something. | May 27 06:26 |
| fewa | youve already hot hAl :P | May 27 06:28 |
| add what you know, examples help | May 27 06:29 | |
| schestowitz | Heh. Yeah | May 27 06:30 |
| schestowitz | Hal was an obvious one for MOOX/ODF | May 27 06:30 |
| schestowitz | He has been very busy recently | May 27 06:30 |
| schestowitz | I track his edits | May 27 06:31 |
| fewa | what about Ghettoblaster | May 27 06:31 |
| schestowitz | fewa: anything you add will provide valuable. We'll organise the Wiki a lot better in the near future, maybe next month | May 27 06:31 |
| schestowitz | fewa: add him with a link | May 27 06:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe with direct link to edit so that people can see | May 27 06:32 |
| fewa | which name is hAl? | May 27 06:32 |
| fewa | Albert Zonneveld | May 27 06:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 27 06:34 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu’s Mono Booster Calls it “Monobuntu” < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/monobuntu-coined/ > | May 27 06:54 |
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| schestowitz | European Commission fines allegedly returned to Microsoft via Romania < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/microsoft-and-romania-fines/ > | May 27 07:19 |
| fewa | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/People_who_edit_Wikipedia_for_Microsoft | May 27 07:39 |
| fewa | still too many links | May 27 07:40 |
| fewa | his history is a pain cause he marks every edit as minor | May 27 07:40 |
| schestowitz | Ah! | May 27 07:48 |
| schestowitz | I love it when they add microsoft.com or MSDN cites | May 27 07:48 |
| schestowitz | hAl does this too | May 27 07:48 |
| schestowitz | It's like they work for the company via a PR agency like Edelman | May 27 07:48 |
| fewa | even when they have absolutely nothing to do with what they are citing | May 27 07:48 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenDocument_software&diff=prev&oldid=292547790 | May 27 07:48 |
| fewa | wasnt that good | May 27 07:49 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interop_Vendor_Alliance | May 27 07:49 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Interop_Vendor_Alliance | May 27 07:50 |
| schestowitz | You should see their vandalism of bios like Bill Gates and Ballmer | May 27 07:50 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft&diff=291380491&oldid=291379643 | May 27 07:52 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft&diff=291706598&oldid=291640139 | May 27 07:52 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft&diff=292169210&oldid=292146244 | May 27 07:52 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft&diff=292287303&oldid=292273363 | May 27 07:52 |
| schestowitz | HAl | May 27 07:53 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | May 27 07:53 |
| schestowitz | What he is, a shill? | May 27 07:53 |
| schestowitz | And they got angry at me for showing his identity | May 27 07:53 |
| schestowitz | He shills in Dutch Web sites too | May 27 07:54 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ghettoblaster#November_2008 | May 27 07:57 |
| fewa | "No, sadly not. However, Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman don't pay me either. I've got a real job in real life in the real world. " | May 27 07:57 |
| fewa | they are so arrogent | May 27 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Maybe MS partners | May 27 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Either way, they do it for their gain | May 27 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Intel Allegedly Colludes with Microsoft (Again) to Elevate Profit, Promote Windows < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/intel-microsoft-cartel/ > | May 27 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft got caught | May 27 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Offering money for 'independent' consultants to edit Wikipedia | May 27 08:03 |
| fewa | whenever someone turns to linux microsoft cuts them in on some dough | May 27 08:05 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: yes, nations to | May 27 08:07 |
| schestowitz | *too | May 27 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Not just OEMs | May 27 08:07 |
| schestowitz | They can't bribe forever | May 27 08:07 |
| fewa | its not just discounts like they want you to believe | May 27 08:07 |
| fewa | its kinda a bad treadmill they are getting themselves into | May 27 08:09 |
| fewa | as they push their users more their users get more pissed off, but they respond with just more locking | May 27 08:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, indeed. | May 27 08:18 |
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| schestowitz | Name it “Bing” or “Kumo” or “Live” or “MSN”, But it is Dead on Arrival < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/bing-or-kumo-dead-on-arrival/ > | May 27 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Gnote Explodes in Popularity < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/gnote-submitters-up-sharply/ > | May 27 08:48 |
| fewa | http://www.itsbetterwithwindows.com/ : lol "microsoft works preinstalled" | May 27 08:51 |
| schestowitz | [odf-discuss] Developers Redherring (was Re: Thumbs up for open source as UK backs ODF) < http://lists.opendocumentfellowship.com/pipermail/odf-discuss/2009-March/007897.html > | May 27 08:51 |
| schestowitz | fewa: shame on the, yeah. | May 27 08:52 |
| schestowitz | It's probably the paid-for endorsement | May 27 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Like "recommends Vista" | May 27 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays for this mind share-collecting folly | May 27 08:52 |
| fewa | but its halarious cause works is the biggest POS ever | May 27 08:52 |
| fewa | even microsoft supports that, cause it means people have to pay $$ for office | May 27 08:53 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/21564/Building_a_Hackintosh_Apple_Can_t_Sue_You_For Get a bit hard to control a lock down when you don't control the core. | May 27 08:57 |
| fewa | errr no HT, should use a supported CPU | May 27 09:01 |
| fewa | i still wonder why apple chose Intel over AMD | May 27 09:01 |
| fewa | if they went AMD they could have shipped x86_32 and went straight to x86_64 | May 27 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Most likely volume discount fewa | May 27 09:03 |
| fewa | according the the intel settlement AMD was giving away 1 million free CPUs and the OEM couldnt take them | May 27 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Take other brand CPU's you no longer get volume discount from intel. | May 27 09:06 |
| schestowitz | Judge Rejects Seizure Of Student's Computer Over Suspicious Activity... Such As Using A Command Line http://techdirt.com/articles/20090525/1626124999.shtml | May 27 09:06 |
| oiaohm | Was the problem. | May 27 09:06 |
| oiaohm | http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/26/technology-giant-plans-open-source-channel-partner-initiative/ << One of MS big partners lining up to jump ship. | May 27 09:06 |
| schestowitz | Sony Pictures CEO: The Internet Is Still Bad < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090526/1159125014.shtml > | May 27 09:13 |
| schestowitz | DRM and rootkits -- good | May 27 09:13 |
| fewa | wasnt that one halarious | May 27 09:13 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | May 27 09:14 |
| fewa | Sony | May 27 09:14 |
| fewa | pissed that the internet puts users in control | May 27 09:14 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 27 09:14 |
| schestowitz | Not the first time | May 27 09:15 |
| schestowitz | Texting Is Wrecking Your Teenager's Mind, Destroying Their Thumbs, Killing Puppies, Etc. < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090526/0903535010.shtml > | May 27 09:15 |
| schestowitz | Resistance to change is all it is | May 27 09:15 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of Internet suppresion, I just got this: "It looks like Ken Thompson's valuable speech might be pushed another step towards the bit-bucket: | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/ | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | It was hosted by the ACM with free access for over 12 years, then got locked down. | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.acm.org/classics/oct95/ | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | Now even Ken's account at Bell Labs seems gone." | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | Got a copy? | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/ | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | "We're sorry, access to http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt." | May 27 09:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Great Australian Firewall may be optional < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/australia_coms_minister_net_filter_voluntary_industry_code_comments/ > | May 27 09:18 |
| fewa | shit | May 27 09:18 |
| fewa | someone make a copy | May 27 09:19 |
| fewa | http://web.mit.edu/6.033/2002/wwwdocs/handouts/h25-review2slides2.pdf slide show | May 27 09:19 |
| fewa | http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1283940 paywall | May 27 09:21 |
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| fewa | http://orkinos.cmpe.boun.edu.tr/~kosar/ken/index.html bingo | May 27 09:22 |
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| oiaohm | In the trail even when the firewall was off particular sites remained blocked schestowitz | May 27 09:25 |
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| fewa | one more reason why the whole internet should be encrypted | May 27 09:25 |
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| oiaohm | fewa do you know the side effects of that fewa | May 27 09:26 |
| fewa | what | May 27 09:26 |
| oiaohm | If the whole internet was encrypted there would be no caching. | May 27 09:26 |
| fewa | there could be caching | May 27 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Where. | May 27 09:26 |
| fewa | it would just have to use differnt encryption methods | May 27 09:26 |
| oiaohm | ISP caching keeps on top of a lot of speed problems. | May 27 09:27 |
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| oiaohm | Once you are caching you can filter. | May 27 09:27 |
| fewa | but i see your point | May 27 09:27 |
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| fewa | you could cache on hashes or something | May 27 09:28 |
| fewa | with PKI backing | May 27 09:28 |
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| schestowitz | US Breeds Software Patents < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/software-patents-in-the-united-states/ > | May 27 09:49 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | May 27 09:53 |
| oiaohm | fewa: if you try caching by hashes they are not perfect you will end up destroying data stream. | May 27 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | Bug 421: Wine Developers Upset About Maintainer < http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/bug_421_wine_developers_upset_about_maintainer > | May 27 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Free Software To Become A Euro Election Issue < http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/free-software-to-become-a-euro-election-issue-967 > | May 27 10:19 |
| schestowitz | Space filler: Linux Today Readers Speak: Foiling Your Sysadmin, Monopoly, Mono, and Linux Is a Kernel, Dangit! < http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/05/ltreaders.html > | May 27 10:21 |
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| oiaohm | We have gone 7 years without anyone yelling at AJ at wine. | May 27 10:33 |
| schestowitz | tacone's article ripoff.. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-26-028-35-NW-SW-UB | May 27 10:33 |
| oiaohm | So I was kinda due schestowitz. | May 27 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Striking the Right Gnote < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3822091/Striking-the-Right-Gnote.htm > | May 27 10:34 |
| schestowitz | AJ? | May 27 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Andreas Jaeger is AJ too | May 27 10:34 |
| schestowitz | "Not that Figuiere is a Mono advocate. But his opposition over the years has been more practical than philosophical. For instance, in several discussion threads about Including Mono in GNOME on the desktop-devel-list in July 2006, Figuiere objected to shipping Mono-based apps on the grounds that the language required a lot of disk space.." | May 27 10:34 |
| oiaohm | julliard schestowitz the wine lead mantainer. | May 27 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Commonaly called AJ around the wine world. | May 27 10:35 |
| schestowitz | re: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/ "I suspected something like that, if Bell Labs plans to eradicate it from | May 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | the net. Start robots.txt, then remove the files and directories and | May 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | wait for the cache to clear. | May 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | The robots.txt that archive.org had listed was not anything which would | May 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | *obviously* block /who/, but maybe it was an alias for /historic/ or | May 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | something. The current robots.txt doesn't seem like it should be a | May 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | problem, again unless there are various aliases. | May 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | http://cm.bell-labs.com/robots.txt | May 27 10:37 |
| schestowitz | The Great Ethanol Scam < http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/may2009/bw20090514_058678.htm >. True or false? | May 27 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Mixture of both. | May 27 10:44 |
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| oiaohm | Model T ford was designed to work on pure Ethanol. | May 27 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Problem is lot of modern day engines are not built with materials that are Ethanol save. | May 27 10:45 |
| oiaohm | save/safe. | May 27 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Judge to hold hearing on Corbin photo request < http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny-pocorb2112789379may20,0,6991548.story > | May 27 10:46 |
| schestowitz | tacone: you made the front page, sort of. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-05-26-028-35-NW-SW-UB | May 27 10:46 |
| schestowitz | This puts in jeopardy the credibility of all judges: Second judge removed from Pirate Bay case < http://www.mcvuk.com/news/34385/Second-judge-removed-from-Pirate-Bay-case > | May 27 10:48 |
| oiaohm | This could end up a very warped case schestowitz. | May 27 10:49 |
| oiaohm | There might not be a judge to here it. | May 27 10:49 |
| oiaohm | It may have to go to jury. | May 27 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes retrial by jury is rare. | May 27 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Jury can be rigged too | May 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Too much at stake | May 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Precedence at the least | May 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Remember: I don't condone illegal copying | May 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | It's not theft, it's copying | May 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | But it is not legal | May 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | BUT | May 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | TPB did not encourage illegal ANYTHING. | May 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Just sharing, copying, which is perfectly ethical. Not every 0 and 1 is encumbered by copyrights | May 27 10:52 |
| oiaohm | TPB techically broke the law. Was give notice and decided to disreguard it. | May 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | What they seek to do would harm GOOGLE too | May 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Anything that MAY be used to transport 'infringing' 0s and 1s | May 27 10:52 |
| oiaohm | If you are given legal notice over something and you decide to throw it in bin don't cry to a person to me. | May 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, that's the big question | May 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Takedown | May 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | For that there can be litigation | May 27 10:53 |
| schestowitz | But they broaden it | May 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Takedown notices were sent to them. | May 27 10:53 |
| schestowitz | What about Google? | May 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | They joked about them. | May 27 10:53 |
| schestowitz | I think they obey requests | May 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Not something you do and not expect being hammered. | May 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | They obey. | May 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | So are protected under the safe harbour rules. | May 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | There are other bittorrent trackers that obey too. | May 27 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Again protected by safe harbour rules. | May 27 10:54 |
| schestowitz | It's a tough battle | May 27 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Ie you are not a illegal harbour if you will take actions gainst things that are illegally using your harbour. | May 27 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Many won't issue takedown demands | May 27 10:54 |
| schestowitz | The whole idea of policing sharing is ludicrous only for practical reasons | May 27 10:55 |
| oiaohm | TPB could have avoided this mess by processing the takedowns ineffectively. | May 27 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Like the other bittorrent trackers do. | May 27 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Other trackers remove the link but provide no filtering to block it being put up again. | May 27 10:56 |
| oiaohm | So obeying the rules of safe harbour. | May 27 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically sub your nose at the law don't be suprised if the law drops on you. | May 27 10:57 |
| oiaohm | From simple legal fact there is no way TPB could win there case. | May 27 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Problem with disgrading things like takedown notices. Is that online takedown notices are the same as defect notices a car seller can give you. Losing risks spreeding into the real world. | May 27 11:00 |
| oiaohm | The ones behind TPB at best should get off with a really strict warning. Ie if you ever dare disreguard a takedown notice you will be hung. | May 27 11:03 |
| tacone | schestowitz: no, they linked softpedia :) | May 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: agreed, but the trial was fueled with bias | May 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | So sentencing might need changing | May 27 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Here providing links is just as illegal as hosting content. | May 27 11:06 |
| oiaohm | If you fail to obey takedown notices. | May 27 11:07 |
| oiaohm | The legal chain reactions is why I could never support TPB winning there case. | May 27 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Not a good time to sell cars, but.. | May 27 11:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/27/brusa_spyder/ | May 27 11:09 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: if you eliminates hosts, then linking breaks too | May 27 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Attack the source. | May 27 11:10 |
| schestowitz | .MS has a new Zune | May 27 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Linking was made a law here because guys got smart and were using file mirrors overseas to host illegal connent and get traffic so make profit. | May 27 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft to launch $80-$100 million ad campaign for rebranded search engine ‘Bing’ < http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/21215/ > | May 27 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Who has the best options to make profits on adversting and the like. The one hosting the links. | May 27 11:12 |
| schestowitz | That's a lot of money to spend on a Majave-like disaster | May 27 11:12 |
| schestowitz | It'll be fun to watch this money burn for no gains at all | May 27 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | May 27 11:13 |
| oiaohm | MS advertising allaocations are getting smaller. | May 27 11:13 |
| oiaohm | In the past it would have been like 1/2 a billion. | May 27 11:13 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) has had some trouble selling its Mediaroom IPTV platform to smaller service providers ..." http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-microsoft-goes-after-smaller-operators-with-new-mediaroom-offering/ | May 27 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Another area of failure | May 27 11:14 |
| schestowitz | "The website of the British National Party is back online following a reported distributed denial of service attack over the weekend." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/bnp_ddos/ | May 27 11:15 |
| schestowitz | The joys of Windows zombies | May 27 11:15 |
| schestowitz | People attack sites they don't like | May 27 11:15 |
| schestowitz | "The size of the renewed assault is unparalleled and there is no doubt that whoever has organised this has had to pay out a serious amount of money to the criminal underworld." | May 27 11:16 |
| schestowitz | "On Friday the servers of Clear Channel, part of a huge conglomerate that provides billboard advertising to the BNP, suffered a similar attack. Their IT professionals tracked the criminal activity back to a notorious "anti-fascist" organisation openly aligned to the Labour Party and supported by the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats." | May 27 11:16 |
| schestowitz | "As a consequence of the criminal actions against Clear Channel we understand that their legal team is currently in the process of issuing writs against the perpetrators which as well as civil actions will involve the possibility of potential criminal charges including racketeering." | May 27 11:17 |
| schestowitz | "The BNP's Darby said it had reported its suspicions about the attack to MI5 and the police, actions only likely to result in a charge of wasting police time, according to Searchlight." | May 27 11:18 |
| schestowitz | But the police is apparently actually looking into that one | May 27 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Digg: No Shouting! < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/26/digg-no-shouting > | May 27 11:20 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i told you | May 27 11:21 |
| tacone | times are over | May 27 11:22 |
| tacone | now twitter will be the spam vehicle | May 27 11:22 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people still use modems: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/ (Life in the slow lane) | May 27 11:22 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing that our front page is now a lot lighter (MediaWiki) | May 27 11:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone: "will be"? | May 27 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Broadband goes big in Japan < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8068560.stm > | May 27 11:23 |
| schestowitz | The US has fallen behind pretty fast when it comes to Internet speeds | May 27 11:24 |
| schestowitz | Is the whole Korean 'nuclear crisis' exaggerated by western media so as to daemonise and justify intervention? | May 27 11:26 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Silvio Berlusconi bribed British lawyer, say Italian judges < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/19/silvio-berlusconi-bribe-david-mills > | May 27 11:29 |
| tacone | yes schestowitz | May 27 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Justice is unserved. | May 27 11:29 |
| tacone | but he has immunity | May 27 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 27 11:30 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "Berlusconi cannot be prosecuted for giving the bribe because he adopted a law to give himself immunity. So Italy now has a prime minister who has been estabilshed by a court as corrupt and cannot be punished for it." | May 27 11:30 |
| tacone | provided with a law made by his party | May 27 11:30 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 27 11:30 |
| tacone | lol | May 27 11:30 |
| *tacone wants emigrate in the desert or sarah | May 27 11:30 | |
| schestowitz | Speaking of police breaking the law, we too have this: Surveillance of protesters ruled illegal < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/21/police-surveillance-ruling-andrew-wood > | May 27 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Sahara? | May 27 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Just published: Fixing America, Erasing Bush < http://www.truthout.org/052409A > it's sad that Ovama helps bury evidence. | May 27 11:32 |
| schestowitz | *Obama | May 27 11:32 |
| schestowitz | "The shocking scale of sexual and physical abuse in educational institutions in Ireland run by the Catholic Church was revealed on Wednesday in a report describing how thousands of boys and girls were raped, abused and exploited by the religious brothers and nuns who were supposed to look after them." | May 27 11:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hindu.com/2009/05/22/stories/2009052256652200.htm | May 27 11:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/05/us-officials-admitted-that-boys-were.html "Many people have heard Pulitzer prize winning reporter Seymour Hersh's claim that boys were sodomized at Abu Ghraib and that the Pentagon has video of the rapes." | May 27 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Switzerland, open up bidding, says Red Hat-led group < http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/news/story/5215282/ > | May 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Reasons for speculations that Microsoft will exploit Yahoo! http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2873 | May 27 11:43 |
| mtnd3w | g'morning | May 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Hey, wb | May 27 11:44 |
| mtnd3w | i like how you put the catcholic church article and abu ghraib US pedophile army abuses article together | May 27 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Coincidence | May 27 11:44 |
| mtnd3w | paints a nice picture... | May 27 11:44 |
| schestowitz | They came up in a sequence | May 27 11:44 |
| mtnd3w | oh is it? | May 27 11:44 |
| mtnd3w | lol | May 27 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Both appeared in RMS' blog actually. | May 27 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Another new win for OLPC (with Linux probably): http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25265/1054/ | May 27 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Could get funny. | May 27 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Buy Microsoft=sued. | May 27 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Important precedence | May 27 11:51 |
| schestowitz | For Hungary, UK, Greece, Spain, Portugal... | May 27 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Puts a cloud over their hand when they make boiler room deals | May 27 11:51 |
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| schestowitz | "The danger for Microsoft is that the challenges are coming thick and fast from all sides on the Linux front. Aside from Android and Ubuntu Remix, Intel has released its own Linux distro desgned specifically for Atom powered netbooks, Moblin 2.0." http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25268/1023/ | May 27 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Even the Microsoft folks from ITWire have turned against Vista 7 | May 27 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Android looks to becoming a cross distribution framework. | May 27 11:54 |
| schestowitz | And it's not even released yet | May 27 11:54 |
| schestowitz | I bet you MS PR people will mail ITWire | May 27 11:54 |
| schestowitz | They did before | May 27 11:54 |
| schestowitz | They'll push for what they call "a better article" | May 27 11:54 |
| schestowitz | They did this to ITWire when they wrote about OOXML | May 27 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Moblin is behind lot of Linux performance accelerations. | May 27 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 27 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Whatever sells h/w | May 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Intel's selfishness sometimes can help Linux | May 27 11:55 |
| mtnd3w | Great news! The Federal Trade Commission wants bloggers to disclose when they've been wooed with cash or freebies from companies they cover: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2009/tc20090518_532031.htm | May 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Good | May 27 11:55 |
| mtnd3w | there goes the windows marketing | May 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | But.. let me see. | May 27 11:55 |
| mtnd3w | and mono trolls | May 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | It's one think to ask them | May 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Windows markleting -- yes | May 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | We have examples | May 27 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft bribes bloggers | May 27 11:56 |
| oiaohm | http://moblin.org/projects/fast-boot << Everyone likes to forget this is a moblin project. | May 27 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Laptops and other schwag | May 27 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Max boot time of 10 secounds. | May 27 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Running competitions that generate sluttiness over Windows | May 27 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Please note intel is no longer in charge of moblin. | May 27 11:58 |
| oiaohm | It was transfered to the Linux founation. | May 27 11:58 |
| tacone | mac os x has no way to make firefox full screen | May 27 12:03 |
| tacone | groan.. | May 27 12:03 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: does Moblin requires x46? | May 27 12:03 |
| schestowitz | If so, then Intel only pretends not owning it | May 27 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Proxifying it to LF | May 27 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Like IBM and its crappy patents | May 27 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation is not a company | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | You can't 'transfer' to it | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation is just some office somewhere in Portland | May 27 12:04 |
| schestowitz | It has a pot of cash to organise events and present a public face for Linux | May 27 12:04 |
| *schestowitz going to do another batch of posts. Too much crap to highlight this morning ... :-( | May 27 12:08 | |
| oiaohm | Most of Modlin tech is cpu netural. | May 27 12:11 |
| oiaohm | To be correct I have not found anything x86 dependant. | May 27 12:12 |
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| ziggyfish | I'm liking gnote | May 27 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Most mono coders don't. It showed how fast there work could be cloned. | May 27 12:18 |
| ziggyfish | I just installed it now, and removed all of the mono packages | May 27 12:19 |
| ziggyfish | it's a lot quicker than tomboy | May 27 12:19 |
| oiaohm | That is the other problem they have. | May 27 12:26 |
| oiaohm | It undermines the idea that mono performs. | May 27 12:27 |
| schestowitz | ziggyfish: I write about gnote at the moment | May 27 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Give me 3 mins | May 27 12:30 |
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| MinceR | j0 | May 27 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Gnote’s Objection to Mono and Microsoft’s ‘Embrace’ of Java < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/gnotes-objection-to-mono/ > | May 27 12:39 |
| oiaohm | One world is ending a new is starting. | May 27 12:44 |
| ziggyfish | noce | May 27 12:46 |
| ziggyfish | *nice | May 27 12:47 |
| ziggyfish | think it's time for bed | May 27 12:47 |
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| oiaohm | peer to patent is really the wrong way. Why is it not required when appling for a patent to do a prior art search and if prior art is found all income from patent has to be returned. | May 27 12:48 |
| oiaohm | So making patents not that profitable. | May 27 12:48 |
| MinceR | add an interest rate or it still will be profitable. | May 27 12:50 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the hassel of not being able to use the money for like 20 years MinceR | May 27 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Because in that time prior art might be found then you might have to pay it all back. | May 27 12:51 |
| MinceR | you could still invest it. | May 27 12:51 |
| oiaohm | What if there is never a freeing year. | May 27 12:51 |
| MinceR | then you have free money :> | May 27 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember having to pay income back normally has interest charge. | May 27 12:52 |
| MinceR | ic | May 27 12:52 |
| oiaohm | So you would have to invest it well to make any profit. | May 27 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | I don't like peet2patent,. oiaohm | May 27 13:02 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10451 << top game here is a bit of a laugh. | May 27 13:02 |
| schestowitz | But Groklaw believes in that | May 27 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat too | May 27 13:02 |
| oiaohm | peer2patent is better than nothing. | May 27 13:02 |
| oiaohm | If you cannot get patents nuked before the fact as it should be get them nuked after. | May 27 13:03 |
| oiaohm | But it still the wrong way. | May 27 13:03 |
| MinceR | what, no Nexuiz? | May 27 13:04 |
| oiaohm | No .net languages either MinceR | May 27 13:07 |
| tacone | schestowitz: oh. linuxtoday just linked my article on the appstore. a dupe. this is no-sense | May 27 13:23 |
| tacone | not I ain't happy about that. | May 27 13:23 |
| schestowitz | BNP Attacked via Windows Zombies, Blames Conspirators < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/bnp-windows-zombies/ > | May 27 13:31 |
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| mtnd3w | YES! That Asus blog entry yesterday sparked a lot of Internet articles questioning Asus's motives! | May 27 13:37 |
| mtnd3w | ASUS Linux insult will be Intel and Dell's gain: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25275/1141/ | May 27 13:37 |
| MinceR | :) | May 27 13:37 |
| Eruaran | MinceR: I've never been a fan of Nexuiz but I have to say the latest version looks rather good... next they say they're working on the character models. | May 27 13:37 |
| MinceR | they had better | May 27 13:37 |
| MinceR | the only model i liked was Xolar :) | May 27 13:37 |
| MinceR | as for the asus case, dell isn't good either | May 27 13:38 |
| MinceR | remember, they secretly pay m$ for patents | May 27 13:38 |
| mtnd3w | Has ASUS all but given up on Linux? http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/304693/has_asus_all_given_up_linux | May 27 13:38 |
| MinceR | (and their quality and support are crap) | May 27 13:38 |
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| oiaohm | ASUS does not have a arm line. | May 27 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Really I am not supprised by ASUS move. Competting as the cheapest out there with Linux is not going to cut much once the arm units enter the market. | May 27 14:21 |
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| MinceR | and what keeps asus from using ARM? | May 27 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft’s AstroTurf Against ODF Still On? < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/ghettoblaster-may-be-microsoft-astroturf/ > | May 27 14:24 |
| oiaohm | They don't have a chip supplier for it MinceR. | May 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | ASUS profits are down 94% | May 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Let them commit suicide with Microsoft | May 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Murder-suicide maybe | May 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | They did splendidly when they sold Linux. | May 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft then approached them | May 27 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Arm is one of those chips where you make the chip and the board it goes on. | May 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | And ASUS said it was "closely tied up with Microsoft" | May 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Tied up=embraces | May 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Then extinguished :-) | May 27 14:25 |
| schestowitz | *embraced | May 27 14:26 |
| MinceR | chip suppliers are as easy to get as signing a contract to purchase supplies is. | May 27 14:27 |
| trmanco | http://digg.com/d1sAQM | May 27 14:27 |
| trmanco | nessuno is famous | May 27 14:27 |
| tacone | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/04/12/missing_novell_server_discovered_after/ | May 27 14:27 |
| oiaohm | What you call minorally over doing the security on the server tacone | May 27 14:33 |
| tacone | that's what I call a real firewall | May 27 14:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Arm chips do you want video card in that. What kind of video card.... All the chip set that operates with that chip is not generic either. ASUS boards are mostly bog standard chipsets. Changing over to something you customise like arm takes a different set of staff. | May 27 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Asus is use to being feed by chipset suppliers. | May 27 14:37 |
| MinceR | or make a deal with a chipset maker | May 27 14:39 |
| MinceR | or buy one | May 27 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Arm what chipset maker. | May 27 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Arm is different to x86 that way. | May 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: look at the abuse AstralKnight gets | May 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | The shills want him down | May 27 14:40 |
| oiaohm | You order it customised how you want it MinceR. | May 27 14:40 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 27 14:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's only a question of money. | May 27 14:40 |
| trmanco | I've seen that a lot, but not recently | May 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | I got the same contantly when I submitted Comes exhibits to Digg | May 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Made some front pages in 2007 | May 27 14:40 |
| trmanco | I don't bother to check the comments | May 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://digg.com/linux_unix/If_Microsoft_Removes_3_App_Restriction_Linux_Still_Wins | May 27 14:41 |
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Dell_sells_Microsoft_Ubuntu | May 27 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Look who's there in the comments | May 27 14:41 |
| schestowitz | These are just the latest two submissions | May 27 14:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is the problem. What would have like the basic parts you would find in a netbook in arm would go for like 20 dollars. There is no room for chipset designers to make profit. | May 27 14:42 |
| oiaohm | You need chipset designers merged with devices makers to make proft. | May 27 14:42 |
| oiaohm | It is exactly a question of money MinceR | May 27 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Your device designers and you chip set designers in the arm world basically have to be the same people. | May 27 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Or you will be too expensive. | May 27 14:44 |
| trmanco | dugg | May 27 14:45 |
| trmanco | but too late | May 27 14:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you can still rebrand and use your distribution channels. | May 27 14:46 |
| trmanco | stupid MS shill I bet schestowitz | May 27 14:46 |
| trmanco | all he does is bury and leave a aggressive comment | May 27 14:46 |
| trmanco | an* | May 27 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Then think one of the compainies with arm you might be going head to head with is Nokia MinceR. Rebranding only gets you so far. MinceR. Arm market device markers are highly competitive. | May 27 14:48 |
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| MinceR | :) | May 27 14:49 |
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| oiaohm | You really don't have much room for extra markup MinceR. | May 27 14:50 |
| oiaohm | As arm kicks into gear 100 USD netbooks should really appear. | May 27 14:50 |
| MinceR | then they could buy the chipset designer company. | May 27 14:50 |
| MinceR | even bring out their own ARM CPU. | May 27 14:51 |
| oiaohm | All the firms that work with arm chips are doing better than ASUS for money. | May 27 14:51 |
| oiaohm | ASUS either need to find a higher end market or get a lot of new staff and pray. | May 27 14:52 |
| oiaohm | So far they look to be taking the plan of getting higher end market. | May 27 14:52 |
| MinceR | doing well is one thing, having lots of capital is another. | May 27 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Both really. | May 27 14:53 |
| trmanco | wow | May 27 14:55 |
| trmanco | this is weird | May 27 14:55 |
| trmanco | MS is interested in the html5 standard | May 27 14:55 |
| oiaohm | There losing market share of course trmanco and they want to get there own formats in use in the video tag. | May 27 14:56 |
| trmanco | see this -> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.w3c.internationalization.general/3693 | May 27 14:56 |
| MinceR | can m$ afford to buy W3C? | May 27 14:57 |
| MinceR | (like they did with ISO) | May 27 14:57 |
| Eruaran | Anyone from the IE 'team' talking about interoperability is a joke | May 27 14:57 |
| Eruaran | The most standards non-compliant web browser, even after years of telling the public they are really, really working sooo very hard at adhering to web standards is... IE | May 27 14:58 |
| trmanco | meh | May 27 14:59 |
| Eruaran | Lets give them a prize for the biggest amount of BS | May 27 14:59 |
| MinceR | they adhere to their own web standards | May 27 14:59 |
| MinceR | MS-HTTP, MS-HTML, MS-CSS | May 27 14:59 |
| MinceR | MS-DOM | May 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | New Speculations About Microsoft Buying Citrix or Grabbing Yahoo! Search < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/speculations-microsoft-citrix-yahoo/ > | May 27 14:59 |
| trmanco | see the next post... some MS gibberish is in there | May 27 14:59 |
| tacone | "Essentially, get rid of the classes of encodings in which Jscript" | May 27 15:00 |
| tacone | Jscript... zomg | May 27 15:01 |
| oiaohm | There is a risk MS will be forced to aquire citrix. | May 27 15:08 |
| oiaohm | To shutdown xen undermining there hypervisor by being used inside kvm. | May 27 15:08 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: which next post? | May 27 15:09 |
| schestowitz | So-Called 'Friendly Fraud' On The Rise < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090526/0907365012.shtml > | May 27 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | Judge Slams Administration For Ignoring Orders In Warrantless Wiretapping Case < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090525/1826015002.shtml > | May 27 15:11 |
| schestowitz | HP to introduce $279 Linux sub-notebooks http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137494/hp-strikes-netbooks | May 27 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | More details about DDoS on BNP. They had to moved b/w servers: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/bnp_ddos_diddums/ | May 27 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran will love this...: | May 27 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Sage reseller goes titsup? < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/bde_international_ltd_loses_sage_jobs/ > | May 27 15:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/ovi_down/ "Nokia's Ovi store is suffering from more teething problems as the site can't seen to keep itself online - though the company claims that users coming in direct from devices aren't experiencing problems." | May 27 15:25 |
| Eruaran | hah | May 27 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Friend says: "Why not get some people to apply online to be a volunteer computer fixer .. | May 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | See what reply if any they get ... | May 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computeraid.org/volunteerinworkshop.htm " | May 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Paid volunteers. What a paradox... | May 27 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Another 1,000 Linux desktops in African schools with lots more to come: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/139451 | May 27 15:31 |
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| Eruaran | That is excellent news | May 27 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | I've just redone the IRC log css: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/irc-log-23052009.html | May 27 15:51 |
| mtnd3w | any of your guys on reddit? | May 27 15:55 |
| MinceR | not yet | May 27 15:56 |
| mtnd3w | get on there | May 27 15:56 |
| mtnd3w | armstrong is on there trying to promote mono | May 27 15:56 |
| mtnd3w | a lot of mono trolls flood the linux section | May 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Sandy? | May 27 15:57 |
| mtnd3w | yeah | May 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Blech | May 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | I think they have lots of Mono people there | May 27 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Not new to me actually... | May 27 15:57 |
| mtnd3w | it wasn't like that | May 27 15:58 |
| mtnd3w | before | May 27 15:58 |
| mtnd3w | all of a sudden all you see is down voting | May 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Sandy works for Novell | May 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | mtnd3w: please paste here examples | May 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | URLs | May 27 15:58 |
| mtnd3w | comments, articles that are critical of novell | May 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Blod headline: Kiwis give Microsoft the finger < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25274/1148/ > | May 27 15:58 |
| mtnd3w | "There are reasons against any software platform. When people argue against Python, for example, you don't see them vigorously campaigning to have it removed from the default install of their favorite distro. You can't be "not interested in Mono" while simultaneously railing against it at every opportunity. | May 27 15:58 |
| mtnd3w | "some people...have concerns about its use" is really not reason enough to have a giant freak-out session. That some people expect it is, is the irrational component of the argument." | May 27 15:58 |
| schestowitz | What are the URLs? | May 27 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Sandy works for Novell | May 27 15:59 |
| schestowitz | So this could be fun... | May 27 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Skype launch Australian store < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25280/1054/ > | May 27 16:00 |
| mtnd3w | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8nee8/banshee_will_likely_be_the_default_music_player/ | May 27 16:00 |
| schestowitz | any more examples? | May 27 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Haha. jstedfast | May 27 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Another Novell employee | May 27 16:02 |
| mtnd3w | she is user for 20 hours | May 27 16:02 |
| mtnd3w | http://www.reddit.com/user/sandyarmstrong/ | May 27 16:02 |
| mtnd3w | which tells me she joined as soon as there were articles about Gnote | May 27 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Who is alanmc ? | May 27 16:03 |
| mtnd3w | because about 22 hours ago there were submission about gnote | May 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz | It's he | May 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | May 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Any more examples | May 27 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Or just this one submission? | May 27 16:03 |
| mtnd3w | there are more, hold on | May 27 16:03 |
| mtnd3w | for example this guy http://www.reddit.com/user/snorp/ he's an advocate for mono | May 27 16:05 |
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| mtnd3w | there are a lot of them in http://www.reddit.com/r/programming | May 27 16:06 |
| mtnd3w | it's a mix of BSD crowd and proprietary crowd | May 27 16:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/user/snorp/ looks innocent | May 27 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Many comments not related to programming | May 27 16:07 |
| mtnd3w | look at this article for example: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8ncf2/ibm_exec_calls_vista_the_best_recruiter_for_linux/ | May 27 16:07 |
| schestowitz | And he attacks me in a way | May 27 16:07 |
| mtnd3w | there is 30 down votes | May 27 16:07 |
| mtnd3w | and one comment. | May 27 16:08 |
| mtnd3w | i spoke to some other people on reddit | May 27 16:08 |
| mtnd3w | they said there has been some issues of "group down voting" | May 27 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Troll comment | May 27 16:08 |
| mtnd3w | but examples he gave were related to political submission | May 27 16:08 |
| schestowitz | So they do to reddit now what they do to Digg and /. | May 27 16:09 |
| schestowitz | With confirmation | May 27 16:09 |
| mtnd3w | there is definitely a group effort in censoring critics | May 27 16:09 |
| schestowitz | There has always been, but you need to identify them | May 27 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Some are nymshifting | May 27 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Sockpuppets | May 27 16:10 |
| mtnd3w | donkeypuke: agreed. | May 27 16:11 |
| mtnd3w | what i don't get is this: | May 27 16:11 |
| mtnd3w | mono is 'controversial' whether you stand behind it or not. so why are so many distros willing to divide their communities over this? it's infuriating. especially since there is such a large number of people who state outright that the first thing they do after a fresh install is get rid of mono and all of its associated bleh. | May 27 16:11 |
| mtnd3w | growl. | May 27 16:11 |
| mtnd3w | edit: less than a minute after posting and i see myself and the parent already downmodded. our comments are relevant and widely held. wonderful sense of integrity you must have. what douchery... sigh. http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8nee8/banshee_will_likely_be_the_default_music_player/c09u1y7 | May 27 16:11 |
| mtnd3w | this is a comment from another user experiencing the same thing | May 27 16:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm writing about post about this | May 27 16:27 |
| mtnd3w | you can include things like Microsoft that announced it's $300 million marketing campaign after Vista failed, | May 27 16:38 |
| mtnd3w | could promoting Microsoft goals in social network be one of them? | May 27 16:39 |
| mtnd3w | You can example of the "Megaphone." There was a case of "group downvoting" in reddit where pro-Israeli users downvote articles critical about Israel through a software called Megaphone, that sends alerts from the system tray to alert of anything news on the web thats questions Israel | May 27 16:45 |
| mtnd3w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool | May 27 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Reddit Accommodated by Mono Boosters, Including Novell Employees < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/reddit-novell-employees/ > | May 27 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Microsoft puts the money in Edelman, W-E etc. | May 27 16:47 |
| schestowitz | AstroTurfing agencies | May 27 16:47 |
| schestowitz | They recruit nyms | May 27 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Not just for Microsoft, but W-E is the major one to MS | May 27 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer's wife is from there, too | May 27 16:48 |
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| MinceR | i've found a use case for reactos | May 27 17:14 |
| MinceR | qemu+reactos could potentially run windows apps on non-x86 architectures | May 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Calls Gates’ Microsoft Lobbying “Important Charitable Work” < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/microsoft-shelters-gates-using-lies/ > | May 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Why not Windows? | May 27 17:16 |
| schestowitz | ReactOS still carries the burden of MS patent FUS | May 27 17:16 |
| schestowitz | *FUD | May 27 17:16 |
| MinceR | at least it's free | May 27 17:20 |
| MinceR | or at least open and gratis | May 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Enderle the shill is annoying people | May 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Attacks politically and shills for MS at the same time | May 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz | The commenters go wild | May 27 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25275/1141/ | May 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Asus will use Android. Inaccurate. | May 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | We need verifiable citations and facts. | May 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm going to file a complain about the European Commission to its watchdog. | May 27 17:49 |
| schestowitz | *complaint | May 27 17:49 |
| tacone | i can't seem to easily install mononono :( | May 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Attempts to inject software patents into the EU from back doors: http://www.euractiv.com/en/innovation/eu-proposes-legal-steps-common-patent/article-182671 | May 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it's for Debian | May 27 17:56 |
| schestowitz | They should put it in the Ubuntu repos | May 27 17:56 |
| schestowitz | has someone asked yet | May 27 17:56 |
| schestowitz | That's one for the brainstorm | May 27 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Linus writes in linux.com now: Memorial Day BBQ < http://linux.com/news/featured-blogs/176-linus-torvalds/12972-memorial-day-bbq > | May 27 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Heavy political propaganda coming to US population shortly: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8388 | May 27 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2347614,00.asp "As with the original Mini 1000, the M110 will be available with either XP Home Edition or HP's Mi Linux edition, priced at $329 and $279, respectively." | May 27 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Early look at Firefox 3.5: http://blogs.computerworld.com/an_early_look_at_firefox_3_5 | May 27 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Linux comic: http://bushweed.blogspot.com/2009/05/comux-010110.html | May 27 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | It's coming, it's coming. More KDE4 software: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/304633/koffice_2_0_0_tagged_release http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/58 | May 27 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Firefox 3.5 releases is near: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/42590/140/ new icon: http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/05/26/new-firefox-icon-iterations-8-and-9/ | May 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Obama’s Supreme Court Pick Schooled in Cyberlaw < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/sotomayor/ > | May 27 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Why Global Warming Means Killer Storms Worse Than Katrina And Gustav, Part 1 < http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/009919.html > | May 27 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Google Earth maps out discrimination against burakumin caste in Japan < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6337499.ece > | May 27 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Internet Statistics: China logging on< http://shanghaiist.com/2009/05/25/klj_cause_having_blogs_is.php > China is slowly outpacing eveyone at everything. | May 27 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | kentma1: BT Global Services' own Clouseau bags massive bonus < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/27/bt_barrault/ > | May 27 19:34 |
| schestowitz | fewa: did you see the post re: ODF? | May 27 19:34 |
| fewa | I just woke up | May 27 19:35 |
| schestowitz | It's syndicated in ODF circles, so people will know about this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/27/ghettoblaster-may-be-microsoft-astroturf/ | May 27 19:35 |
| fewa | cool | May 27 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone know what happened to 451 Group? | May 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz | it seems as thought many 'analysts' (Shils for sale) firms are collapsing | May 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz | One of those 'luxuries' of bubble economy I'd wager | May 27 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Same with medic companies, apropos. | May 27 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: did you raise the issue of "Monobuntu" yet? | May 27 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Linux: Lean, clean, and green < http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-green-linux/index.html > | May 27 19:52 |
| neighborlee | monobuntu ? | May 27 19:53 |
| neighborlee | lol | May 27 19:53 |
| neighborlee | no, but I did ask about ecma | May 27 19:53 |
| neighborlee | few days ago...so far that I know..no reply | May 27 19:53 |
| neighborlee | checking | May 27 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I did two mono posts today. The later one is better | May 27 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Novell is feeling very, very pressured | May 27 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Its employees start descending down to forums and comment frantically | May 27 19:55 |
| schestowitz | And modbomb, too | May 27 19:55 |
| fewa | is there any wikipedia rule that prohibits ad hominom attacks | May 27 19:56 |
| schestowitz | fewa: the shill is at it again | May 27 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Just noticed activity an hour ago | May 27 19:57 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Microsoft_Office_2007&diff=292475388&oldid=292201607 | May 27 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Your friend http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/PlanetODF/~3/qu6yfNekR-0/index.php | May 27 19:57 |
| schestowitz | 4 edits | May 27 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Wow | May 27 19:57 |
| schestowitz | The bastard censors it | May 27 19:57 |
| schestowitz | "but at the same time Microsoft added formula language from a conflicting standard" | May 27 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Removed by Ghettoblaster | May 27 19:58 |
| tacone | http://indlovu.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/ubuntu-debit-card1.png?w=230&h=172&h=172 | May 27 19:58 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish&diff=prev&oldid=292719421 | May 27 19:58 |
| fewa | second removal of that section | May 27 19:58 |
| schestowitz | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/PlanetODF/~3/vp181f0C2O8/index.php | May 27 19:58 |
| fewa | reverted back patent fud http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish&diff=prev&oldid=292719217 | May 27 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Geez | May 27 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone know who this is? | May 27 19:59 |
| schestowitz | COuld be some part-time W-E agent | May 27 20:00 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, kewl ill check it out later | May 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Who is this? http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/158 | May 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | He filrts with MS shill stocholm | May 27 20:01 |
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| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1169639 < 2 days ago and counting...no replies, but 38 some views | May 27 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Ghettoblaster sounds like a minomer /misfit | May 27 20:03 |
| schestowitz | For a person who writes about technology to have some kind of an urban nickname would be odd | May 27 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Let's see what I can find.. | May 27 20:03 |
| neighborlee | which prove not enough get the mono problem, so ubuntu is less likely to have to confront it..denial by ignornace | May 27 20:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ghettoblaster+mcirosoft&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | May 27 20:04 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: yes, but shilling too | May 27 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ghetto%20blaster "A large, portable, radio cassette player, measuring about 1.5 m wide and 1.0 m high. | May 27 20:04 |
| schestowitz | " | May 27 20:04 |
| neighborlee | that too indeed | May 27 20:04 |
| fewa | he choose a name that would purposefully be hard to google | May 27 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | May 27 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Next to trombone. | May 27 20:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ghettoblaster+ooxml&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | May 27 20:05 |
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| _Goblin | hi all | May 27 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Intel: Netbooks Continue to Cannibalize Notebook Sales http://ostatic.com/blog/intel-netbooks-continue-to-cannibalize-notebook-sales | May 27 20:09 |
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| _Goblin | Just testing out ZenWalk 6....tight distro. | May 27 20:15 |
| mtnd3w | neighborlee: The main reasons the Ubuntu dev team says they choose some of these Mono based applications are because the community is behind it? | May 27 20:16 |
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| neighborlee | mtnd3w, of that you can be sure | May 27 20:17 |
| neighborlee | mtnd3w, divide and conquer | May 27 20:17 |
| fewa | yep | May 27 20:17 |
| mtnd3w | So this is Microsoft's 3 E's? | May 27 20:18 |
| mtnd3w | essentially | May 27 20:18 |
| fewa | not really | May 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | May 27 20:18 |
| fewa | they jumped straight to the second E | May 27 20:18 |
| fewa | well i guess with C++, your right | May 27 20:18 |
| fewa | but it was never conforming to any standard right? | May 27 20:18 |
| fewa | except their own | May 27 20:18 |
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| fewa | they make deals with universities to give them a new building if they drop C++ for C# | May 27 20:19 |
| tacone | mtnd3w: one of the points made is that the developer teams are pretty active | May 27 20:19 |
| tacone | that's quite true | May 27 20:19 |
| tacone | banshee team is more active or at least productive than rhythmbox's | May 27 20:20 |
| fewa | makes me think of evangalism is war | May 27 20:22 |
| mtnd3w | How do they define "active" by the number of posts on ubuntuforums about C# Mono? | May 27 20:22 |
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| tacone | well, banshee is regularly worked on, and features are regularly added | May 27 20:24 |
| tacone | can you say the same about rhythmbox ? | May 27 20:24 |
| fewa | are they useful? | May 27 20:24 |
| tacone | also they point out banshee is better | May 27 20:24 |
| tacone | which may be true, but not that much imho. | May 27 20:24 |
| mtnd3w | i don't follow rhythmbox's development really | May 27 20:24 |
| tacone | banshee and rhythmbox feel pretty much equivalent | May 27 20:25 |
| mtnd3w | but simply from my use, it supports a lot of audio devices and has better stability | May 27 20:25 |
| mtnd3w | performs a lot better than banshee thats for sure. | May 27 20:25 |
| fewa | mono must have its own lame audio stack | May 27 20:25 |
| fewa | instead of using gnome's then | May 27 20:25 |
| tacone | now, let me me point to the notes they made in the session | May 27 20:26 |
| tacone | those may clear out some doubts | May 27 20:26 |
| tacone | http://pastebin.com/m39042b41 | May 27 20:26 |
| tacone | the section 'blockers' is the bugs they have to fix before they can include banshee | May 27 20:26 |
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| tacone | mtnd3w: as you can see the document pretty much lacks of strong points of preference for banshee | May 27 20:31 |
| tacone | they just say it's slightly better. | May 27 20:31 |
| mtnd3w | where there any developers from rhythmbox at the summit at all? | May 27 20:35 |
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| tacone | i don't know. i don't think so. | May 27 20:36 |
| tacone | i don't think there were any banshee dev as well | May 27 20:37 |
| tacone | just somo debian/ubuntu mono motu team packagers | May 27 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Suno? | May 27 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Like Kumo? | May 27 20:47 |
| schestowitz | *Sumo | May 27 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Or was it a typo of 'some'? | May 27 20:48 |
| tacone | some | May 27 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Is there any plan for mononoo in the repos? | May 27 20:54 |
| schestowitz | We need to work to put it in there | May 27 20:54 |
| schestowitz | We'll have support | May 27 20:54 |
| tacone | i'm going to blog about it in some minute | May 27 20:57 |
| tacone | btw, it's not easy to install. you have to manually remove mono, before. | May 27 20:57 |
| fewa | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/27/196251 | May 27 20:58 |
| fewa | go merb ! | May 27 20:58 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: i think your best bet is getting mononono in the debian repos, not in ubuntu's | May 27 21:00 |
| fewa | ^^^^ | May 27 21:02 |
| fewa | all ubuntu does is chrome | May 27 21:02 |
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| fewa | and stability | May 27 21:03 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks | May 27 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I will enquire | May 27 21:04 |
| schestowitz | fewa: very cool. Good for BN too | May 27 21:05 |
| fewa | BN? | May 27 21:05 |
| schestowitz | (uses MediaWiki.) I'll do loads of work on our Wiki soon. | May 27 21:05 |
| schestowitz | BN=Boycott Novell | May 27 21:05 |
| fewa | ahh | May 27 21:05 |
| fewa | <3 wikipedia | May 27 21:06 |
| MinceR | fewa: i'm not so sure about ubuntu doing stability :> | May 27 21:11 |
| fewa | Well thats one of their stated goals: to ease out debian testing | May 27 21:11 |
| fewa | but they only test a very small portion, so its not much | May 27 21:11 |
| fewa | I dislike them putting contrib stuff in main | May 27 21:12 |
| MinceR | oh, so they do stability...for debian | May 27 21:13 |
| fewa | especially their own propritary stuff | May 27 21:13 |
| MinceR | :) | May 27 21:13 |
| fewa | and then refusing to change when you file bug reports on it | May 27 21:13 |
| fewa | like on nvidia-settings being in main | May 27 21:13 |
| MinceR | what's their policy for main? | May 27 21:15 |
| tacone | main policy is 'canonical supported' | May 27 21:16 |
| tacone | everything in main and restricted is officially supported by canonical | May 27 21:17 |
| fewa | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/333640 | May 27 21:17 |
| tacone | universe and multiverse are community supported | May 27 21:17 |
| fewa | it might not -depend- on a packaging side, but its useless without the propritary driver | May 27 21:17 |
| fewa | which is something debian usually fallows | May 27 21:18 |
| fewa | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libgooglecharts-ruby1.8 | May 27 21:19 |
| MinceR | i see | May 27 21:19 |
| fewa | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-settings | May 27 21:20 |
| fewa | see | May 27 21:20 |
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| trmanco | hmhm | May 27 21:31 |
| trmanco | .app extension stuff in ubuntu | May 27 21:31 |
| MinceR | ew | May 27 21:32 |
| MinceR | gnustep? | May 27 21:32 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 27 21:33 |
| trmanco | coco A | May 27 21:33 |
| mtnd3w | lol: There is no need to go apeshit over this. It’s good that we have diversities. Why are you so threatened by the port? Stop being such a Mono tool! | May 27 21:33 |
| tacone | fewa: i believe that's a mistake. nvidia settings should be in restricted. i see nothing bad in that. | May 27 21:34 |
| mtnd3w | directhex responds: The problem is that it’s grounded in douchebaggery. Taking somebody’s code, and making a 1-way change in the license, is a dick move. End of story. Telling a BSD kernel developer “oh, well you can have all the changes we made to our GPL-only fork of your code, you just need to convert to GPL” isn’t a solution in that case, nor in this identical case. It’s pure and simple douchebaggery. | May 27 21:34 |
| mtnd3w | Is there a “threat”? No. Gnote still implements only a small fraction of Tomboy’s functionality, including zero syncing abilities (see also http://live.gnome.org/Snowy). But it’s incredibly rude and demoralising for people to take your code and claim it for their own with less than zero desire to cooperate. Gnote’s supporters intentionally misrepresent its benefits, and engage in doublespeak - both attacking Tomboy as a | May 27 21:34 |
| mtnd3w | “useless” app when at the same time recommending a less functional clone. | May 27 21:34 |
| mtnd3w | There’s also the question of the future. Where will Gnote go when (if?) it reaches feature parity with Tomboy? Continually exist as a catch-up clone, implementing Tomboy’s features as and when? When the Tomboy maintainer proposed cooperating on a note format (e.g. for interop with things like Snowy), he was rebuffed - is this productive? | May 27 21:34 |
| tacone | trmanco: ? | May 27 21:34 |
| trmanco | GNUStep stuff | May 27 21:34 |
| tacone | rude to use gpl3 ? | May 27 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 27 21:35 |
| schestowitz | To Novell -- yeah | May 27 21:35 |
| tacone | rude to fork a bsd to gpl ? | May 27 21:36 |
| tacone | what's that crap ? ah yeah, gpl is a cancer | May 27 21:36 |
| mtnd3w | This guy is some Mono fanboy really. | May 27 21:36 |
| schestowitz | As RMS would say, "it's not Novell, it's Novell slash Microsoft" | May 27 21:36 |
| mtnd3w | tacone: it's comments from here, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/93/#comment-768 | May 27 21:37 |
| tacone | directhex? yes he is. the bad thing is he doesn't ever give any external reference to his claims | May 27 21:37 |
| tacone | even worst: he wanders ubuntuforums marking mono concerns as crap with silly excuses | May 27 21:39 |
| tacone | 'they say so because it's ms related stuff' | May 27 21:40 |
| tacone | 'they won't sue end users' | May 27 21:40 |
| tacone | the concern is not for end users, obviously | May 27 21:41 |
| tacone | is for companies. free market, etc. | May 27 21:42 |
| Balrog | trmanco: gnustep is ok, just needs a lot of work ..... :/ | May 27 21:43 |
| tacone | offlining | May 27 21:44 |
| tacone | bye | May 27 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> mononoo is just a package that conflicts with mono, right? | May 27 21:53 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> yes | May 27 21:53 |
| schestowitz | <anon> I don't think this would make sense in debian | May 27 21:53 |
| schestowitz | <anon> removing mono is trivial, and we don't install mono by default anyway, so the only users who have mono are those who wanted it | May 27 21:53 |
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| MinceR | except of mono is installed as a dependency. | May 27 22:02 |
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| Balrog | yes, but it 'helpfully' will remove mononono for you | May 27 22:06 |
| MinceR | won't it at least give a warning that it's about to do so? | May 27 22:08 |
| MinceR | and ask for permission? | May 27 22:08 |
| Balrog | yes, but all you have to do is say yes | May 27 22:11 |
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| a_villacis | Hello. Has there been any discussions on Mono-free replacements for gnome-do, like Gnote exists for Tomboy? Especially GTK-based ones? | May 27 22:22 |
| MinceR | i'm interested too | May 27 22:24 |
| MinceR | especially the part where it open documents from a particular subdirectory by typing in part of the name | May 27 22:24 |
| MinceR | i know replacements that can't do that: katapult, krunner (it also calls itself QuickSand) | May 27 22:24 |
| MinceR | if all you need is shortcut+type name to start something, a run dialog like gmrun can also do the trick | May 27 22:25 |
| schestowitz | a_villacis: hi | May 27 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Yes, there are some substitutes | May 27 22:26 |
| schestowitz | a_villacis: see http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono_Applications | May 27 22:27 |
| MinceR | A database query syntax error has occurred. | May 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Oh cr*p | May 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | tessier: are you there? | May 27 22:28 |
| schestowitz | http://209.85.229.132/search?rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fboycottnovell.com%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%2FPeople_who_edit_Wikipedia_for_Microsoft&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | May 27 22:30 |
| a_villacis | I get a database error on that URL too. | May 27 22:33 |
| schestowitz | a_villacis: use http://209.85.229.132/search?rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fboycottnovell.com%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%2FMono_Applications&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | May 27 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I'll mail tessier | May 27 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Is this correctable with a simple diagnosis tool like the mysql "repair DB" function? | May 27 22:35 |
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| MinceR | Deskbar is a nice replacement | May 27 22:42 |
| MinceR | my desktop is mono-free once again | May 27 22:43 |
| trmanco | Deskbar? | May 27 22:43 |
| trmanco | you like that | May 27 22:43 |
| trmanco | ? | May 27 22:43 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 27 22:44 |
| MinceR | i thought it was just a strange interface for tracker or something, but it isn't | May 27 22:44 |
| trmanco | hmm, I've always thought you were a slim app kinda of guy... :-P | May 27 22:45 |
| MinceR | depends on how you define "slim" :) | May 27 22:45 |
| trmanco | no, it has a lot of functionalities | May 27 22:45 |
| trmanco | the last time I've tried it, it was still kinda slow | May 27 22:45 |
| trmanco | maybe because I still had tracker and mono installed | May 27 22:45 |
| MinceR | it does seem to be kind of slow | May 27 22:46 |
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| trmanco | these too are deskbars backends AFAIK | May 27 22:46 |
| MinceR | but gnome-do keeps randomly crashing so this is an improvement anyway | May 27 22:46 |
| MinceR | and it's still faster than krunner | May 27 22:46 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll take another look at katapult later | May 27 22:47 |
| trmanco | heh | May 27 22:47 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Problem with the db? | May 27 22:47 |
| tessier | I just looked at the email | May 27 22:47 |
| trmanco | I once tried to use it has a twitter client | May 27 22:47 |
| trmanco | well, gn | May 27 22:48 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yeah, sorry | May 27 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Didn't do anything | May 27 22:49 |
| MinceR | gn trmanco | May 27 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I mean, it happened spontaneously AFAIK | May 27 22:49 |
| tessier | hmm | May 27 22:52 |
| tessier | Weird. | May 27 22:53 |
| *tessier looks | May 27 22:53 | |
| schestowitz | I've never come across this before. Is there some magic function to repair? cPanel had some button that automates something which is probably a CLI tool. | May 27 22:54 |
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| tessier | | boycottn_wiki.objectcache | check | error | Table './boycottn_wiki/objectcache' is marked as crashed and should be repaired | | May 27 22:56 |
| tessier | Interesting. | May 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... cache does not sound so crucial. | May 27 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's not part of the scheme but an mysql thing | May 27 22:57 |
| schestowitz | *schema | May 27 22:58 |
| tessier | Ok, looks like we are good to go now. | May 27 22:58 |
| tacone | what's happening ? | May 27 22:58 |
| schestowitz | tacone: mysql issue | May 27 22:58 |
| tessier | mysql> repair table boycottn_wiki.objectcache; | May 27 22:58 |
| tessier | | boycottn_wiki.objectcache | repair | warning | Number of rows changed from 152 to 153 | | May 27 22:58 |
| tessier | Somehow the number of rows count got off. | May 27 22:58 |
| schestowitz | yay! It's mint again. | May 27 22:58 |
| tacone | which issue ? | May 27 22:58 |
| tessier | I've never seen that happen before. | May 27 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Me neither | May 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I've had good experience with mysql for 6 years | May 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | It once crashes for me under huge load | May 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Then a repair fixed it | May 27 22:59 |
| tacone | uhm. unclean shutdown ? | May 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | In Jan-Mar 2009 when I did lots of Comes we did like 200-300 mysql queries/sec | May 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | But we had no caching then | May 27 23:00 |
| a_villacis | Leaving issues of speed aside, does anybody know why gnome-do is frequently chosen as a default for distros (for example, Fedora 10) rather than deskbar-applet? Is there any known functionality that gnome-do has and deskbar-applet does not? | May 27 23:00 |
| tacone | a_villacis: prettyness | May 27 23:01 |
| tacone | and guess it has more plugins | May 27 23:01 |
| tacone | but i didn't know fedora shipped it by default | May 27 23:01 |
| tacone | i thought fedora was adverse to mono | May 27 23:02 |
| tacone | a_villacis: also deskbar in the past crashed many times for me. i never saw gnome-do crashing. | May 27 23:02 |
| a_villacis | I might be wrong, but last time I installed Fedora 10 from the CD set, the default GNOME session started gnome-do by default. I uninstalled it because I had no use for it at the time, and my machine had only 512 Mb of RAM. | May 27 23:03 |
| a_villacis | I was toying with the idea of reimplementing gnome-do in python, but I think I should try to improve deskbar-applet instead. | May 27 23:06 |
| a_villacis | If deskbar-applet is really crashing for some people, that would be a good place to tart. | May 27 23:07 |
| a_villacis | s/tart/start/ | May 27 23:07 |
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| tacone | sorry, disconnected | May 27 23:09 |
| tacone | i can't check fedora 10 defaults | May 27 23:09 |
| tacone | i'm pretty curious about fedora 11. | May 27 23:09 |
| a_villacis | From a quick look at the code of gnome-do, the prettyness comes down to a skinnable interface that uses Cairo. | May 27 23:11 |
| tacone | a_villacis: yep | May 27 23:13 |
| tacone | also, frankly, the firefox ubiquity parser is much better than gnome do's | May 27 23:14 |
| tacone | but that's it | May 27 23:17 |
| MinceR | well, sometimes the document opening part doesn't work in deskbar | May 27 23:18 |
| tacone | i think the mono software is pretty polished | May 27 23:18 |
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| tacone | they are doing a good work | May 27 23:18 |
| tacone | the problem is their platform, not the software itself. | May 27 23:18 |
| MinceR | now it remembers the file it didn't want to know about | May 27 23:18 |
| MinceR | (after i've opened it via its full path :> ) | May 27 23:18 |
| MinceR | and it's a lot faster if you turn off Tracker Live Search | May 27 23:18 |
| tacone | special exception for f-spot which i don't like nor understand | May 27 23:18 |
| MinceR | i find gqview a lot more useful than f-spot | May 27 23:19 |
| MinceR | gqview can keep its collections in files | May 27 23:19 |
| MinceR | f-spot insists on keeping a media library of pictures | May 27 23:19 |
| MinceR | and i insist on not using such media libraries, so i don't use f-spot :> | May 27 23:19 |
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| tacone | i don't take many photos, so i'm not in the right position to judge | May 27 23:20 |
| tacone | iPhoto seems much better than f-spot by the way | May 27 23:20 |
| tacone | (and I don't like apple software that much) | May 27 23:20 |
| MinceR | i don't take a lot of photos either | May 27 23:22 |
| tacone | i'm actually surprised they don't do a video editing software | May 27 23:23 |
| MinceR | the only digital cameras i have are the one built into my old phone and my qtek 9100 | May 27 23:23 |
| tacone | that would earn them a place in any distribution | May 27 23:23 |
| MinceR | perhaps it would be unusably slow | May 27 23:23 |
| tacone | they just do yet another mp3 player, desktop search, photo management. | May 27 23:23 |
| tacone | well, they don't have to do everything in mono. they could just talk to ffmpeg or stuff like that | May 27 23:24 |
| tacone | even tomboy has a c part. | May 27 23:24 |
| tacone | yet another istant messenger (on kde..) | May 27 23:24 |
| tacone | what's not clear to me is how much novell backs those software developers | May 27 23:25 |
| tacone | do they get paid ? | May 27 23:25 |
| neighborlee_ | Even if its done for free, it doesn't matter as a rat by any other name bites just as hard | May 27 23:28 |
| MinceR | probably m$ pays novell and novell pays the developers in turn | May 27 23:28 |
| schestowitz | According to Dawkins, Einstein too did not believe in God: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugaM7lJrUxQ&feature=related | May 27 23:28 |
| neighborlee_ | Thats my take on it yes..would that surpirse anyone ? ;)) | May 27 23:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: differnt | May 27 23:29 |
| MinceR | in The God Delusion he discusses definitions of God :) | May 27 23:29 |
| schestowitz | In reverse | May 27 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Those who don't like Mono quit or get expelled | May 27 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Hubert did not like Mono | May 27 23:29 |
| schestowitz | He protested in 2006 | May 27 23:29 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: so all these projects are done by novell employees in their free time? | May 27 23:29 |
| schestowitz | That can't have rubbed Monovell the right way | May 27 23:29 |
| schestowitz | So it's selection by preference | May 27 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Rather than the other way around | May 27 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Think along the lines of: | May 27 23:30 |
| tacone | schestowitz: thanks for the election link | May 27 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Do tall people play basketball? | May 27 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Or does basketball make people tall? | May 27 23:30 |
| tacone | that was definitely a post not worth doing. nobody cared. | May 27 23:30 |
| schestowitz | tacone: np :-) | May 27 23:30 |
| schestowitz | You noticed very fast | May 27 23:30 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: getting expelled only works if they already work for novell | May 27 23:30 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I was shocked nobody commented | May 27 23:31 |
| tacone | schestowitz: protested about what ? | May 27 23:31 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: then they either get paid for doing it or they don't | May 27 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Saw it in Susan's feed before I read yours | May 27 23:31 |
| schestowitz | It's good to put faces on the name | May 27 23:31 |
| tacone | schestowitz: people like crap. like appstores :P | May 27 23:31 |
| schestowitz | *names | May 27 23:31 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: if it's the former then it's what i said before; if it's the latter then they're done by novell employees in their free time | May 27 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu too | May 27 23:31 |
| schestowitz | If I write about Ubuntu , then more people care | May 27 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Trend spotting.... | May 27 23:31 |
| tacone | ubuntu had a good impact. | May 27 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Open source is less attrative now | May 27 23:31 |
| schestowitz | It lost the meaning | May 27 23:32 |
| tacone | i think it will be a good thing even in the long term | May 27 23:32 |
| tacone | as long as sabdfl is the chairman | May 27 23:32 |
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| MinceR | less attractive to whom? | May 27 23:32 |
| schestowitz | You can see this stuff in zeitgeists like Google Trends | May 27 23:32 |
| MinceR | to those who think freedom is important or to the sleepers? | May 27 23:32 |
| schestowitz | sleepers? | May 27 23:33 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i also think this uds has a lot of hot things. it may really pay off if they do what they're discussing about. | May 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Slippers? :-) | May 27 23:33 |
| MinceR | those who don't realize what's at stake when m$ tries to take over the world | May 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Or what's countered | May 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Look at Apple | May 27 23:33 |
| MinceR | those who gladly sell all their freedoms for a little money... and unfortunately they also sell my freedoms | May 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone 'dared' to put their 0s and 1s on a standard box | May 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | They filed Ch11 | May 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Not because they couldn't install it | May 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Because Apple would not allow them | May 27 23:34 |
| MinceR | what i find particularly sad about it is that people want those 0s and 1s | May 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | This is just a case study in the whole "if Microsoft went away, that may not be enough" | May 27 23:34 |
| MinceR | when they could get something that's better in every way at no cost | May 27 23:34 |
| MinceR | without legal threats | May 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Needs marketing | May 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Glitzy themes | May 27 23:35 |
| MinceR | it needs a lot more than glitzy themes | May 27 23:38 |
| MinceR | i don't know what kind of marketing is needed here | May 27 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3822091/Striking-the-Right-Gnote.htm | May 27 23:44 |
| schestowitz | "By "I have already worked with them to fix one interoperability issue" he means, "I told a bug reporter that I didn't care about the fact that GNote breaks the note format so that Tomboy can't read GNote notes because I don't support ever returning to GNote, so if they want the notes to work with both, that's Tomboy's problem, and then Sandy modified Tomboy to deal with my incompatibility issues."" | May 27 23:44 |
| schestowitz | GPLv3 **AND** Data routes... Gnote takes centre stage | May 27 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: is outgoing mail up and running? | May 27 23:46 |
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| tacone | who doesn't care ? | May 27 23:54 |
| tacone | i can't understand what mackenzie said | May 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu's? | May 27 23:57 |
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