| oiaohm | Every time nintendo gets in money trouble they try something the other way. | Jun 25 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | gameboy come out of nintento vs sega. | Jun 25 00:00 |
| schestowitz | THey make good money from the DS now too | Jun 25 00:00 |
| oiaohm | sega was beating nintento on graphics. | Jun 25 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | The advantage nintendo has over sony and MS. years of experince playing in the console market. | Jun 25 00:01 |
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| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, tons more yup | Jun 25 00:01 |
| ThistleWeb | sorry, I did something with shortcuts and couldnt reverse it | Jun 25 00:02 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, even at peak power..wii uses 18 watts...the other 2 are wayyyyy past that ;))...pretty but past ;)) | Jun 25 00:02 |
| ThistleWeb | it's 2 different leagues | Jun 25 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : howdy? | Jun 25 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | it been a long time | Jun 25 00:02 |
| schestowitz | 160 for XBxo360 IIRC | Jun 25 00:02 |
| ThistleWeb | hi res etc v's normal res | Jun 25 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Slammed by Greenpeace | Jun 25 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Hi _Hicham_ been busy. | Jun 25 00:03 |
| neighborlee | http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-356-2.htm < it aint pretty LOL | Jun 25 00:03 |
| oiaohm | The advantage nintendo has over sony and MS. years of experince playing in the console market. << repeat for ThistleWeb | Jun 25 00:03 |
| *ThistleWeb hates it when I accidentally hit the wrong keyboard shortcut and can't figure how to reverse it | Jun 25 00:03 | |
| ThistleWeb | oiaohm: to be fair, neitherM$ or sony are new to the console market | Jun 25 00:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I was dubious of Sony until the PS was released, at which point I became a convert | Jun 25 00:05 |
| ThistleWeb | M$'s xbox is a damn good console | Jun 25 00:05 |
| neighborlee | all systems have pros and cons..its not a winner take all atm imho | Jun 25 00:05 |
| ThistleWeb | never owned one so I dont know what it's like to live with | Jun 25 00:05 |
| neighborlee | I have | Jun 25 00:05 |
| *ThistleWeb gave up gaming ages ago but was a long time PS fan | Jun 25 00:06 | |
| oiaohm | Compared to nintendo MS and sony are new. | Jun 25 00:06 |
| neighborlee | I took it back..when I learned I had to spend EXTRA just to get online!! | Jun 25 00:06 |
| ThistleWeb | before that it was the super famicom | Jun 25 00:06 |
| neighborlee | I thought...no thanks..I can spend that much and have a ps3..so I did ;) | Jun 25 00:06 |
| oiaohm | MS and Sony have never had to live threw major console sales failures. | Jun 25 00:06 |
| oiaohm | nintendo has quite a few times. | Jun 25 00:06 |
| oiaohm | So they know how to handle it well. | Jun 25 00:06 |
| ThistleWeb | I used to buy into the hype about comparing specs, and saw nintendo's "its the games that matter" line | Jun 25 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Something nintendo learnt from vs sega. | Jun 25 00:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I now own 2 consoles but hardly ever play them | Jun 25 00:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I can't see me buying another | Jun 25 00:07 |
| oiaohm | sonic games beat the hell out nintendo for a long time. | Jun 25 00:08 |
| ThistleWeb | up until a few years ago I've owne almost every console known to man and beast at one time | Jun 25 00:08 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: does the alcohol turn "S" to "$"? | Jun 25 00:08 |
| ThistleWeb | I have a gamecube (bought second hand for rogue leader and rogue squadron only) and a ps2 | Jun 25 00:09 |
| oiaohm | Also wii expanded out side nintendos normal model too including a web browser. | Jun 25 00:09 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I'm surprised I can type at this point, with or without typos lol | Jun 25 00:09 |
| schestowitz | You're doing well | Jun 25 00:10 |
| ThistleWeb | I used to spend many hours each day plating games, now I'm content for a quick 10min blast of whatever, win lose or draw it don't matter | Jun 25 00:11 |
| ThistleWeb | burnout 2 is fantastic for that btw | Jun 25 00:11 |
| neighborlee | wii is starting to take that genre too.. | Jun 25 00:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I used to be VERY good at PES | Jun 25 00:11 |
| neighborlee | their new shoooter is coming out or is out not sure....looks amazing , you would prob. like it | Jun 25 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Both PS2 and xbox 360 missed something. | Jun 25 00:12 |
| ThistleWeb | now it's been far too long that I;m back to struggling to score | Jun 25 00:12 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jun 25 00:12 |
| oiaohm | If they were PVR's they would have had people taking them as tv recorders to use sometimes for gaming. | Jun 25 00:12 |
| ThistleWeb | I still remember the first time I saw Rogue Leader in a demo instore when tit came out, as a SW fan my jaw hit the floor with longing | Jun 25 00:13 |
| ThistleWeb | no controller plugged in, just the demo cycling through | Jun 25 00:14 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, I really miss playing some ps2 games..jak was really good...alot of fun....traded in ps2 and got wii when neighborJulie introduced me to wiitennis..being a tennis FANatic I was immediatley hooked LOL | Jun 25 00:14 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, and still am << | Jun 25 00:15 |
| ThistleWeb | ya know, one of the best multiplayer games I ever played was anna kourincova tennis on the PS1 | Jun 25 00:16 |
| oiaohm | I think its good that new wii come out with some impact prottection around controller. | Jun 25 00:16 |
| oiaohm | The wii remote always lived what it hit did not in the first generation. | Jun 25 00:16 |
| ThistleWeb | that was tremendous fun; well not for my mates who had to find a way of dealing with me at the net | Jun 25 00:16 |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb, hmmm never heard of that one but sounds interesting ;)) | Jun 25 00:16 |
| ThistleWeb | neighborlee: it's a gem | Jun 25 00:17 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm, indeed | Jun 25 00:17 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jun 25 00:17 |
| *ThistleWeb was a dynamo at the net in doubles games | Jun 25 00:17 | |
| ThistleWeb | go for everything | Jun 25 00:17 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm, quite...my furniture took a few whacks early on ...several friends over..less room..instant OUCH ;)haha<not TV> ;)) | Jun 25 00:17 |
| neighborlee | lol | Jun 25 00:17 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://www.wafaa.eu/index.php?/archives/198-Goblin-Status-Update.html | Jun 25 00:18 |
| schestowitz | "A friend of mine died recently. His name was Erik Naggum. He lived in Norway. I knew him primarily via the net, through his professional reputation, his posts to internet newsgroups, and through occasional personal email on matters technical and philosophical. And we met once at a conference in person." | Jun 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | http://open.salon.com/blog/kent_pitman/2009/06/24/erik_naggum_rip | Jun 25 00:22 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.oooninja.com/2009/06/microsoft-office-diagnostics-bloated.html LOL | Jun 25 00:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat's results are very good: http://ping.fm/DFxac | Jun 25 00:32 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u work for RedHat before? | Jun 25 00:35 |
| schestowitz | No, never. | Jun 25 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Novell's employees tease me, so I'll do a funny post for them | Jun 25 00:38 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: Ubuntu may increase Mono-dependent apps < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25900/1231/ > | Jun 25 00:49 |
| ugufjhfj | lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY6g6n2NkkE | Jun 25 00:52 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jun 25 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Is it a spoof of a real ad? | Jun 25 00:53 |
| ugufjhfj | spoof | Jun 25 00:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm a PC. http://ping.fm/d4dGz | Jun 25 00:57 | |
| _Hicham_ | axis of evil, lol | Jun 25 00:57 |
| _Hicham_ | great expression | Jun 25 00:57 |
| _Hicham_ | I really like ur style schestowitz | Jun 25 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://utnapistim.blogspot.com/2009/06/letter-from-bill-gates.html | Jun 25 01:19 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jun 25 01:19 |
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| ugufjhfj | gn | Jun 25 01:24 |
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| _Hicham_ | wb Senor tacone | Jun 25 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | I managed to compile solang on Fedora 11 | Jun 25 01:31 |
| tacone | hey | Jun 25 01:31 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, thx for heads up..sad but no surprise on any level. | Jun 25 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | with some work | Jun 25 01:32 |
| neighborlee | fedora's move may trigger a landslide, we'll see ;)) | Jun 25 01:32 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, Fedora is the best distro | Jun 25 01:32 |
| _Hicham_ | ever | Jun 25 01:32 |
| neighborlee | im using it at this moment..I love using linux even if I can't 100% of the time... | Jun 25 01:33 |
| _Hicham_ | neighborlee : did u test my package mononono? | Jun 25 01:33 |
| neighborlee | only thing that bit me a bit was selinux and scanning with my multi all in one HP device | Jun 25 01:33 |
| neighborlee | I dont have it..totally willing to of course yes ;)) | Jun 25 01:34 |
| _Hicham_ | ok, here u go : http://rapidshare.com/files/248325635/mononono-0.0.1-1.fc11.noarch.rpm.html | Jun 25 01:36 |
| neighborlee | k | Jun 25 01:36 |
| neighborlee | ok got it... | Jun 25 01:36 |
| _Goblin | _Hitcham_ Just to let you know, I had a small technical hitch on my hardware...I will be submitting to you my experiences of your package in the next few days. | Jun 25 01:38 |
| neighborlee | _Hicham_, ok, installed no errors | Jun 25 01:38 |
| _Hicham_ | try to install mono now | Jun 25 01:38 |
| _Hicham_ | _Goblin : take ur time | Jun 25 01:38 |
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| _Goblin | for what its worth, Ill feature it on my blog too. | Jun 25 01:39 |
| neighborlee | _Hicham_, so far so good :))<thx>....trying to install evolution-sharp ,,is being blocked ;)) ( evo data server mono bindings) | Jun 25 01:40 |
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| yuhong | I just finished upgrading to 9.04. | Jun 25 01:46 |
| yuhong | Looks much different. | Jun 25 01:46 |
| yuhong | With a different and more clear font. | Jun 25 01:46 |
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| neighborlee | clear being a relative term :)<wink> | Jun 25 01:57 |
| _Hicham_ | neighborlee : no problems with the package? | Jun 25 01:58 |
| neighborlee | correct | Jun 25 02:01 |
| neighborlee | it also prevented mono-core | Jun 25 02:01 |
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| _Hicham_ | neighborlee : do u want to test solang too? | Jun 25 02:28 |
| neighborlee | can't right now but Illl take a look a bit latre | Jun 25 02:38 |
| _Hicham_ | Ok, I am setting a repo, I will let you when I finish it | Jun 25 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | US IT outfits slice 34,800 jobs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/24/techserve_us_job_cuts_0509/ > | Jun 25 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | Morning.. | Jun 25 09:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] That's a classic one. ODF folks would love to see it. http://ping.fm/3tSHj | Jun 25 09:42 | |
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| fewa | http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/info/dsc_battery.html | Jun 25 10:38 |
| fewa | now panasonic is "getting genuine" | Jun 25 10:39 |
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| fewa | http://arstechnica.com/science/2009/06/nih-funding-level-correlates-with-lower-us-mortality-rates.ars | Jun 25 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Not "bailouts", "Stimulus" :-) | Jun 25 10:50 |
| fewa | NIH funding is very good | Jun 25 10:50 |
| fewa | its has been the biggest contributer to medical progress in the last 50 years | Jun 25 10:50 |
| fewa | and all NIH research is public | Jun 25 10:51 |
| fewa | If the NIH didnt fund research the research would never happen | Jun 25 10:52 |
| fewa | and there is a difference between bailouts and stimulus | Jun 25 10:53 |
| fewa | bailouts is what was given to the bank, stimulus is what is given for public works | Jun 25 10:53 |
| trmanco | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/ftp-release-list/2009-June/msg00087.html | Jun 25 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: minor release? | Jun 25 11:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm organising Comes at the moment. Good fun. | Jun 25 11:45 |
| trmanco | yes | Jun 25 11:45 |
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| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I got an update email from Tesco | Jun 25 12:56 |
| ThistleWeb | sorta anyway, it was a simple "sorry for the delay, we've not recieved a response from the Direct team, I'm passing the matter onto my supervisor and we''l respond as soon as we can" | Jun 25 12:57 |
| ThistleWeb | "I've as yet received no response from the Tesco Direct to your query and I've now asked my line manager to request an answer for you. I hope that this will result in answer being provided shortly." <<I shoulda just copied and pasted it lol | Jun 25 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: wasn't it resolved before? | Jun 25 13:12 |
| ThistleWeb | no "I've passed your comments regarding this on to our Tesco direct Team and I will be back in touch as soon as I receive a response." | Jun 25 13:12 |
| ThistleWeb | she waited a while, didnt get a response so emailed me to say it she was still on the case | Jun 25 13:13 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | Jun 25 13:13 |
| MinceR | hay | Jun 25 13:14 |
| _Hicham_ | howdy MinceR? | Jun 25 13:14 |
| MinceR | work as usualy | Jun 25 13:14 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Jun 25 13:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Anti-software patent people are morrons. What do they do against UPLS? Pretty nothing I would say. They have already lost the fight. | Jun 25 13:42 | |
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| schestowitz | Wiki changes... http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=250&hideminor=0 | Jun 25 13:49 |
| schestowitz | OK, time for something else.. | Jun 25 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Habitat sorry for Iran Tweeting < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk/8116869.stm > | Jun 25 14:11 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: yeah that habitat thing was disgraceful | Jun 25 14:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I notice they tried to keep the peep(s) responsible, as if it was just an accident | Jun 25 14:14 |
| ThistleWeb | every corp will piss on anything if they sense they can make a buck | Jun 25 14:15 |
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| ThistleWeb | this time they got some backlash in the mainstream media | Jun 25 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | Mainstream? BBC? :-) | Jun 25 14:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comeback for OLPC with Linux? http://ping.fm/wXnEj | Jun 25 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | ‘Google Killer’ Cuil Looks To Make Money—Perhaps Via Google < http://paidcontent.org/article/419-google-killer-cuil-looks-to-make-money-perhaps-via-google/ > | Jun 25 14:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nice charts here: Bailout Costs vs Big Historical Events < http://ping.fm/ZTKX0 > | Jun 25 14:22 | |
| schestowitz | Ballmer at Cannes: 'Advertising. Advertising. Advertising' < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Ballmer_at_Cannes_Advertising_Advertising_Advertising.html > Some people do development, this guy is obsessed with brainwash | Jun 25 14:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free software is so good that even proprietary software can't refuse it. http://ping.fm/2VZCC | Jun 25 14:37 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.nuxified.org/blog/supporting_free_software_means_civil_disobedience (Supporting Free Software by means of Civil Disobedience?) | Jun 25 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jun 25 15:13 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] RT: @SiriusCorp: MS to charge for Vista to Win7 upgrade in EU because it excludes IE8. Only full version free. http://is.gd/1d8TO | Jun 25 15:42 | |
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| schestowitz | I'm back | Jun 25 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Got what I need to make a formal complaint :-) | Jun 25 17:16 |
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| amarsh04 | hi schestowitz... been busy with work, bug-reporting and chasing up a matter with our state ombudsman's office | Jun 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing that too | Jun 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Can you contact your ombudsman too? | Jun 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Which one and what complaint? | Jun 25 17:32 |
| amarsh04 | I also spotted the vehicle that has the "LINUX" number plate for our state | Jun 25 17:32 |
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| amarsh04 | just a complaint about the Department of Transport... not sure how to tackle the MS-problems in .au... maybe I should try to buy an Acer Aspire One without paying for a windows xp licence | Jun 25 17:33 |
| _Goblin | hi all | Jun 25 17:33 |
| _Goblin | I bought an Acer Aspire one with XP :( | Jun 25 17:33 |
| _Goblin | sad story to be documented on my blog shortly.# | Jun 25 17:34 |
| amarsh04 | I don't like how some big companies/governments ignore your letters to the point that you telephone people often, then defend not replying to your written contact claiming that they answered your questions verbally | Jun 25 17:34 |
| _Goblin | I get it all the time.... | Jun 25 17:35 |
| _Goblin | then when they are exposed publically for doing that, they come back and claim they were going to respond all along... | Jun 25 17:35 |
| amarsh04 | latest case was with Telstra (incubent telco in .au) | Jun 25 17:35 |
| amarsh04 | where are you, _Goblin? | Jun 25 17:35 |
| _Goblin | and when the do finally respond, its just with the same answers, just reworded. | Jun 25 17:35 |
| _Goblin | UK | Jun 25 17:35 |
| amarsh04 | ah ok | Jun 25 17:36 |
| _Goblin | London | Jun 25 17:36 |
| _Goblin | or near to it...(30 miles) | Jun 25 17:36 |
| amarsh04 | our telco regulator, the Australian Communications and Media Authority is like that also | Jun 25 17:36 |
| amarsh04 | I'm in Adelaide, ex-home to News Corporation annual general meetings | Jun 25 17:36 |
| _Goblin | Love your country though...Ive a few friends that have moved over there. | Jun 25 17:38 |
| amarsh04 | about 300,000 .au citizens are in .gb at any time | Jun 25 17:38 |
| _Goblin | I'd happily swap with anyone from .au who wants to come to .gb! | Jun 25 17:38 |
| amarsh04 | I should go to sleep soon... | Jun 25 17:40 |
| _Goblin | its only 6pm here....a little early for me! | Jun 25 17:41 |
| amarsh04 | depends if you worked an early shift or not | Jun 25 17:42 |
| _Goblin | true...but then thats accademic since the kids wont let me go to bed at 6...their noise will continue on until at least 730 | Jun 25 17:43 |
| _Goblin | Its Mickey Mouse Club on the TV at full volume at the moment. | Jun 25 17:43 |
| amarsh04 | granddaughter here has her own interests, I took her to http://www.warrawong.com/ and http://www.trammuseumadelaide.com.au/ last weekend | Jun 25 17:47 |
| _Goblin | looks good. We have nothing like that around here (appart from Whipsnade Zoo) but its hardly the same. | Jun 25 17:51 |
| _Goblin | Our small village is miles away from any attractions or places of interest. | Jun 25 17:51 |
| neighborlee | _Goblin, interesting...we had a older tramway sitting not far from our house here until new owner came for it..now its in his small railroad in seattle ;)< a trolly car > | Jun 25 17:54 |
| amarsh04 | the local tram museum had about 6 different trams running last weekend | Jun 25 17:55 |
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| _Goblin | Oh....Mickey Mouse has finished...its now Tigger and Poo. | Jun 25 17:58 |
| neighborlee | amarsh04, woah | Jun 25 17:58 |
| neighborlee | _Goblin, and what a great team :)) | Jun 25 17:58 |
| _Goblin | I know all the episodes :( | Jun 25 17:58 |
| _Goblin | even the music.... | Jun 25 17:59 |
| _Goblin | theres something wrong there. | Jun 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | not really | Jun 25 17:59 |
| _Goblin | It goes around my head at work. | Jun 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | compared to some of what kids see today..not really...:) | Jun 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | oh? | Jun 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | oh nvm i see ;)) | Jun 25 17:59 |
| _Goblin | The theme tune to Tigger and Poo | Jun 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | yup | Jun 25 17:59 |
| _Goblin | its so repetative. | Jun 25 17:59 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jun 25 18:00 |
| _Goblin | we are quite lucky, our village only has around 200 people and my kids are not exposed to any of societies "issues"...its a quiet area... | Jun 25 18:00 |
| neighborlee | well I think some of technology is healthy..but sometimes | Jun 25 18:01 |
| neighborlee | I do wish for the more simplicity of say 2000 years ago..we can have both ;)) | Jun 25 18:01 |
| _Goblin | agreed.....the Penguin club is quite a good, safe site...but its a worry...having said that in 10 years time they will be on BN helping educate people! | Jun 25 18:02 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jun 25 18:03 |
| _Goblin | Brought up on Linux....the next generation! | Jun 25 18:03 |
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| neighborlee | well at least free software..whatever form it takes | Jun 25 18:03 |
| neighborlee | im sure some form of windows , one day will be free...though I hope its after gate passes..no wait I guess thats what causes his demise! | Jun 25 18:04 |
| amarsh04 | funnily enough, tuxpaint's clip-art includes a lot of birds native to where I live | Jun 25 18:04 |
| neighborlee | ah crap..now im in really big trouble..I just gave away future happenings..im SO borked | Jun 25 18:04 |
| neighborlee | amarsh04, kinda kewl ;)) | Jun 25 18:05 |
| _Goblin | Talking of future happening...don't bother seeing the film "The Knowing" | Jun 25 18:08 |
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| neighborlee | o-k ) | Jun 25 18:09 |
| _Goblin | its awful....I wish I could have predicted how rubbish it would be so to save wasting 2hours of my time. | Jun 25 18:09 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jun 25 18:09 |
| neighborlee | bites doesn't it ;0- | Jun 25 18:09 |
| *amarsh04 saw the 3d version of the new ice age movie, courtesy of work | Jun 25 18:10 | |
| _Goblin | I love the squirel (of the other films) | Jun 25 18:10 |
| neighborlee | heh..brb | Jun 25 18:10 |
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| _Goblin | and that extra footage of him time travelling. | Jun 25 18:10 |
| amarsh04 | quite impressive 3d also | Jun 25 18:10 |
| _Goblin | I may take the eldest to see the film. | Jun 25 18:11 |
| _Goblin | although will he sit still with 3d glasses on? | Jun 25 18:11 |
| _Goblin | I'll probably just buy it on DVD when its released... | Jun 25 18:11 |
| amarsh04 | the audience (adults and children alike) seemed to be quite attentive to the movie and kept their 3d glasses on | Jun 25 18:12 |
| amarsh04 | apparently one gets to pay a lot more for the privilege of seeing the 3d version | Jun 25 18:13 |
| ThistleWeb | scrat? | Jun 25 18:13 |
| _Goblin | scrat? | Jun 25 18:13 |
| ThistleWeb | scrat is the squrrel in ice age | Jun 25 18:14 |
| _Goblin | ah...yes...I think he's great. | Jun 25 18:14 |
| ThistleWeb | the one obsessed with the acorns | Jun 25 18:14 |
| _Goblin | lol thats him! | Jun 25 18:14 |
| ThistleWeb | dont think hes a squrrel though but a older species quite like a squrrel | Jun 25 18:14 |
| _Goblin | Off topic: Im thinking of completely migrating to Chrome.... | Jun 25 18:16 |
| _Goblin | even though its beta, Ive had no issues. | Jun 25 18:16 |
| ThistleWeb | do you need a visa? | Jun 25 18:16 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jun 25 18:16 |
| ThistleWeb | what's the weather like there? | Jun 25 18:16 |
| _Goblin | yeah...and you cant have a bing stamp in your passport.... | Jun 25 18:16 |
| ThistleWeb | why not? it could act like a clenser with an even whiter whites before and after with a bing and google logo | Jun 25 18:17 |
| _Goblin | Im no longer impressed with FF...although I do still champion Thunderbird. | Jun 25 18:19 |
| _Goblin | Oh dear....Microsoft not to offer Europe a upgrade offer to Windows 7...... | Jun 25 18:21 |
| _Goblin | sour grapes for the IE issue? | Jun 25 18:21 |
| Omar871 | Hi there? | Jun 25 18:21 |
| ThistleWeb | well, they gotta get the lost revonue back somehow | Jun 25 18:21 |
| ThistleWeb | any fine the EU impose will be passed back onto the shmucks / customers in the EU | Jun 25 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | hey Omar871 | Jun 25 18:22 |
| Omar871 | Could it be that the servers over at Facebook run Linux? | Jun 25 18:22 |
| Omar871 | ThistleWeb: Hey | Jun 25 18:22 |
| schestowitz | They do | Jun 25 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | they possibly do | Jun 25 18:22 |
| schestowitz | LAMP | Jun 25 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | MySpace is ISS, where Microsoft have staff who make tweaks and adjustments to keep it alive, after MySpace threatened to move to FOSS | Jun 25 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a big name web 2.0 name which Microsoft can claim proudly runs their servers, even if it is favourable, personal treatment on a non-standard Windows setup | Jun 25 18:24 |
| ThistleWeb | IIS even | Jun 25 18:24 |
| _Goblin | Any updates on Bing? Has the novelty worn off yet and the search stats dipped yet? | Jun 25 18:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft on “Embrace and Extend”, the “Windows API Franchise” http://ping.fm/ExX6I | Jun 25 18:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] No free upgrade to #Windows 7 for Europe? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8118749.stm I hope its not sour grapes for the IE issue! | Jun 25 18:27 | |
| ThistleWeb | didn't Microsoft say that upgrading wasn't possible with Windows 7, that it had to be a fresh install? or was that just around the free timed beta? | Jun 25 18:30 |
| _Goblin | I think it refers to if you bought Vista you are entitled to a free copy of WIndows 7 | Jun 25 18:31 |
| _Goblin | (after a certain date) | Jun 25 18:31 |
| ThistleWeb | k | Jun 25 18:32 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : DaemonFC is still banned? | Jun 25 18:41 |
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| fewa | _Goblin, it is sour grapes | Jun 25 19:04 |
| fewa | thats the only explination | Jun 25 19:04 |
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| ThistleWeb | Apple's app store delete button pushers have struck again >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2009/jun/25/iphone-porn-application | Jun 25 19:31 |
| ThistleWeb | as soon as you hear about it, it's gone | Jun 25 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, gotta luv them sandle wearing hippies | Jun 25 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | they are just too accepting of stuff | Jun 25 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | what I find more surprising than Apple pulling it, is that some people would pay for it | Jun 25 19:34 |
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| trmanco | wow | Jun 25 19:38 |
| trmanco | FF 3.5rc3 has been released | Jun 25 19:38 |
| trmanco | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-rc.html | Jun 25 19:38 |
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| yuhong | On the matter of creating worthless consensus, here is what I just read from Ars. | Jun 25 19:55 |
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| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/creating-worthless-copyright-consensus-canadas-case-study.ars | Jun 25 19:55 |
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| yuhong | On the matter of creating worthless consensus, here is what I just read from Ars. | Jun 25 19:57 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/creating-worthless-copyright-consensus-canadas-case-study.ars | Jun 25 19:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "My week with Windows" http://tinyurl.com/me9aey Goblin goes back to #Windows for 1 week. Why? What happens? Read the article to find out! | Jun 25 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | Hey, wallc | Jun 25 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I've just been doing my complaint form | Jun 25 20:03 |
| wallc | hey! :) | Jun 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Been a crazy day | Jun 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Lots of Comes work | Jun 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Esp. the Wiki | Jun 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I now have excellent orientation of what needs doing. | Jun 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | And there's lots of traffic, so people read it | Jun 25 20:03 |
| wallc | i spent a lot of time reading through the wiki this morning | Jun 25 20:03 |
| yuhong | Did you see the link I just posted about manufactured "consensus"? | Jun 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | "load average: 6.66, 6.02, 5.49" | Jun 25 20:03 |
| wallc | it's shaping up nicely | Jun 25 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | Been like this for days :-) | Jun 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: that's old from Hermann | Jun 25 20:04 |
| schestowitz | And Chomsky | Jun 25 20:04 |
| wallc | people are obviously interested :) | Jun 25 20:04 |
| schestowitz | The whole "manufactured "consent" litearture | Jun 25 20:04 |
| schestowitz | wallc: maybe I should abandon news temporarily? | Jun 25 20:04 |
| schestowitz | To do Comes? | Jun 25 20:04 |
| schestowitz | It's almost July, so news is low-magnitude anyway | Jun 25 20:05 |
| yuhong | Not manufactured "consent", manufactured "consensus" like MS tries to set for 7. | Jun 25 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Same thing | Jun 25 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Consent =agreeing to wars; consensus = the illusion of a naked beautiful emperor called Vista 7 | Jun 25 20:06 |
| wallc | the sooner it gets finished the better it will be for folks to search and learn from | Jun 25 20:06 |
| yuhong | The Canadian copyright lobby tries to do the same thing. | Jun 25 20:06 |
| schestowitz | wallc: it went to PageRank 6, so I was surprised (the Comes index) | Jun 25 20:06 |
| yuhong | Now I don't think 7 is that much of an illusion, but the manufactured consent is still bad. | Jun 25 20:06 |
| yuhong | And MS isn't the only one. | Jun 25 20:06 |
| schestowitz | And I promised to organise in the summer, so I guess I can just look at critical news and do Comes most of the time | Jun 25 20:07 |
| yuhong | I mean the practice of manufactured "consensus". | Jun 25 20:07 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: in today's news: Ballmer at Cannes: 'Advertising. Advertising. Advertising' < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Ballmer_at_Cannes_Advertising_Advertising_Advertising.html > | Jun 25 20:07 |
| wallc | I'm not surprised at all that it's popular. It's VERY interesting stuff | Jun 25 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer's wife is an advertiser | Jun 25 20:07 |
| schestowitz | She worked at Waggener | Jun 25 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Those who stalk reporters | Jun 25 20:08 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/creating-worthless-copyright-consensus-canadas-case-study.ars | Jun 25 20:08 |
| schestowitz | And police what they say | Jun 25 20:08 |
| schestowitz | "My children - in many dimensions they're as poorly behaved as many other children, but at least on this dimension I've got my kids brainwashed: You don't use Google, and you don't use an iPod." --Steve Ballmer (on CNN) | Jun 25 20:08 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jun 25 20:08 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.computerworld.com/digg_dug_buried_how_linux_news_disappears | Jun 25 20:08 |
| yuhong | But MS is not the only one doing manufactured consensus. | Jun 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | wallc: I mailed you partial s/t by mistake | Jun 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | There's a sort of good second components to embrace and extend: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/plex_5803.pdf | Jun 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | This one involves MS' patent troll | Jun 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | And he talks to Gates some more about it | Jun 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | It's a good sequel to the latest post | Jun 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I'll do the security lockin one | Jun 25 20:10 |
| wallc | I'll do 5803 now (lunchtime)...will send soon | Jun 25 20:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Digg, Dug, Buried: How Linux news disappears: http://is.gd/1dmw6 | Jun 25 20:12 | |
| yuhong | Good thing I read slashdot, not digg. | Jun 25 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah, noticed something oddd | Jun 25 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Many submissions about Linux just get buried | Jun 25 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Must be the MS bury brigade | Jun 25 20:14 |
| schestowitz | it's like when MS sent hordes of employees to bury Java in polls | Jun 25 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Hire PR agents, have them bury stuff | Jun 25 20:15 |
| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_frm/thread/f97adb063b97a81/80f97872415eb601?tvc=1#80f97872415eb601 | Jun 25 20:17 |
| trmanco | anybody recognize him? :-P | Jun 25 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Same in /. | Jun 25 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It's not easy cing with criminal companies | Jun 25 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It happens in /, too. It is not simply to compete against a criminal company. | Jun 25 20:18 |
| trmanco | ... | Jun 25 20:20 |
| trmanco | the excess of advertising money can'y last forever | Jun 25 20:21 |
| trmanco | can't | Jun 25 20:21 |
| schestowitz | We have trolls in BN too | Jun 25 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Much more than usual | Jun 25 20:22 |
| trmanco | http://tinyurl.com/2465be | Jun 25 20:23 |
| ThistleWeb | holy sheeshkabab, claws mail is lighting quick for rss agregation | Jun 25 20:34 |
| ThistleWeb | I managed to get it running with gmail too | Jun 25 20:35 |
| ThistleWeb | :) | Jun 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jun 25 20:37 |
| *schestowitz thinks of mutton | Jun 25 20:37 | |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jun 25 20:37 |
| ThistleWeb | now I just need to learn not to click Thunderbird for email and rss | Jun 25 20:38 |
| _Goblin | Whats wrong with Thunderbird? | Jun 25 20:39 |
| ThistleWeb | nothing, it's just a tad heavy for my old PC, and a tad slow at times | Jun 25 20:40 |
| ThistleWeb | claws always looked decent but getting it working right with gmail was an issue | Jun 25 20:40 |
| _Goblin | ah....never really used anything else...what do you suggest is better? | Jun 25 20:41 |
| ThistleWeb | what DE do you use? | Jun 25 20:41 |
| ThistleWeb | claws is lightweight, superfast and gtk | Jun 25 20:41 |
| _Goblin | a mish mash....mainly Gnome at the mo. | Jun 25 20:41 |
| ThistleWeb | try claws then | Jun 25 20:41 |
| _Goblin | Ill give it a go.... | Jun 25 20:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates’ “Security as a lock in” Memo (to Discriminate Against Non-Windows Operating Systems) http://ping.fm/vod2L | Jun 25 20:42 | |
| ThistleWeb | it's a bare bones client, where you add features you want with plugins | Jun 25 20:42 |
| _Goblin | just what I like... | Jun 25 20:42 |
| ThistleWeb | like I said, there's an rss plugin making it an rss reader too | Jun 25 20:42 |
| ThistleWeb | which is lighting quick | Jun 25 20:42 |
| _Goblin | btw has everyone tried Michams package? very good... | Jun 25 20:42 |
| _Goblin | I was always impressed with speed of Thunderbird...that and its an all in one package | Jun 25 20:43 |
| ThistleWeb | claws is great if you like your mail in plain text | Jun 25 20:43 |
| ThistleWeb | or simple html | Jun 25 20:43 |
| ThistleWeb | claws is a greyhound next to Thunderbird | Jun 25 20:44 |
| _Goblin | Im downloading the source now.... | Jun 25 20:44 |
| _Hicham_ | thunderbird maybe useless if u use firefox | Jun 25 20:44 |
| ThistleWeb | but then, TB has a lot of stuff built in | Jun 25 20:44 |
| _Goblin | Im Chrome beta now! | Jun 25 20:44 |
| _Goblin | Thunderbird and NZB 0.1.7 | Jun 25 20:44 |
| _Hicham_ | _Goblin : are downloading Chome source? | Jun 25 20:45 |
| _Goblin | no | Jun 25 20:45 |
| ThistleWeb | one thing about claws, is the default look can be iffy | Jun 25 20:45 |
| _Goblin | claws | Jun 25 20:45 |
| ThistleWeb | the themes leave a lot to be desired | Jun 25 20:45 |
| _Goblin | never been interested in themes..... | Jun 25 20:45 |
| ThistleWeb | the only one I found to be half way modern looking is tango | Jun 25 20:45 |
| _Goblin | I love the simplicity of IRSSI over Xchat for that very reason. | Jun 25 20:45 |
| ThistleWeb | that aside, claws is an awsome lightweight mail app | Jun 25 20:45 |
| ThistleWeb | I found that imap googlemail is VERY dodgy | Jun 25 20:46 |
| ThistleWeb | on claws | Jun 25 20:46 |
| ThistleWeb | it does work but it generates a LOT more partial copies of each email and response, meaning you have to log onto the site to delete reams of crap | Jun 25 20:47 |
| ThistleWeb | which is kinda pointless | Jun 25 20:47 |
| ThistleWeb | that's why I was dubious, but googlemail pop seems fine | Jun 25 20:47 |
| _Goblin | Ill keep that in mind, however Im quite happy to use chrome to access.....since I have an email from my ISP that I treasure and like to keep my email client as straight forward as poss. | Jun 25 20:47 |
| _Goblin | gmail is only really used in relation to my blog... | Jun 25 20:48 |
| ThistleWeb | in that case, you may just find claws to be very nice | Jun 25 20:48 |
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| _Goblin | its shamefull Ive never experimented with email clients, but I never really got around to it since Thunderbird was solid for me. | Jun 25 20:49 |
| ThistleWeb | ir downloads to .Mail folder in your home directory too, all in folders sent / drafts etc | Jun 25 20:49 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's easy to back up | Jun 25 20:49 |
| _Goblin | now just to find an email client that includes a NZB grabber...... | Jun 25 20:49 |
| ThistleWeb | heard that nzb before but cant think where | Jun 25 20:50 |
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| _Goblin | sorry....its a system of cataloguing binaries on the newsgroups... | Jun 25 20:50 |
| _Goblin | for easy download | Jun 25 20:51 |
| wallc | Roy, 5803 is in your email now :) | Jun 25 20:51 |
| _Goblin | and I stress: Not for piracy uses (I d/l Amiga Mods/PD) | Jun 25 20:51 |
| ThistleWeb | k | Jun 25 20:51 |
| _Goblin | big Amiga/Aros fan here.... | Jun 25 20:52 |
| ThistleWeb | never really gotten into newsgroups but I did experiment with Pan. It seems good but I don't know any groups that really interest me | Jun 25 20:52 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess I bypassed that part of the net growth | Jun 25 20:52 |
| _Goblin | COLA? | Jun 25 20:52 |
| wallc | bbl...i have to get back to work now | Jun 25 20:52 |
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| _Goblin | Comp.os.Linux.advocacy .....Roy and some other decent people are very active there. | Jun 25 20:53 |
| _Goblin | and theres some textbook MS trolls to point and laugh at. | Jun 25 20:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I found a handy profile switching addon for firefox | Jun 25 21:07 |
| ThistleWeb | let you syncronise between profiles, switch between them so you have 2 firefox windows, with 2 profiles | Jun 25 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | at the same time | Jun 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Yes, COLA has full-time trolls on the face of it | Jun 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | They keep busy in some other communities where they attack Linux advocates | Jun 25 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | wb, tacone | Jun 25 21:10 |
| tacone | hey | Jun 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | There's a reason to worry about who runs Ubuntu.. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1406088/there-mono-application-ubuntu | Jun 25 21:11 |
| tacone | pft they'll pay their choice | Jun 25 21:12 |
| tacone | banshee isn't yet enough to replace rhythmbox | Jun 25 21:12 |
| tacone | and it's not that it has a much nicer gui. | Jun 25 21:12 |
| tacone | would have been easier to develop an android g1 sync for rhythmbox than trying to repair banshee enough to make it usable | Jun 25 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jun 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Mono on phone | Jun 25 21:16 |
| schestowitz | ARM screams | Jun 25 21:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Formal Complaint Against European Commission for Harbouring Microsoft Lobbyists < http://ping.fm/9gtY6 > | Jun 25 21:17 | |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : I managed to compile solang | Jun 25 21:32 |
| _Hicham_ | on Fedora 11 | Jun 25 21:32 |
| tacone | nice :) | Jun 25 21:32 |
| _Hicham_ | and I put it on my repo | Jun 25 21:33 |
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| tacone | how to use it ? | Jun 25 21:34 |
| _Hicham_ | http://hicham.iblogger.org | Jun 25 21:34 |
| tacone | nice, I'll reblog the news | Jun 25 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I'll mention it too | Jun 25 21:51 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I have seen a scary scenario about Iran in Aljazeera today | Jun 25 21:52 |
| _Hicham_ | there were talking about how Israel is going to attack them | Jun 25 21:53 |
| _Hicham_ | *they | Jun 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Iran cracks US sites | Jun 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what's going on | Jun 25 21:55 |
| _Hicham_ | the US is planning for a military intervention in Iran | Jun 25 21:55 |
| _Hicham_ | as usual | Jun 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I would not be surprised | Jun 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | They need to incite for public support | Jun 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Using the election, death of a good-looking girl, etc | Jun 25 21:55 |
| _Hicham_ | the good-looking girl have been killed by them | Jun 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Reminds me of that fake girl from Kuwait that they used before the Gulf 'War' | Jun 25 21:56 |
| _Hicham_ | for sure | Jun 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | No, we don't know | Jun 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | I need to see evidence | Jun 25 21:56 |
| _Hicham_ | some things don't need evidence | Jun 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they do | Jun 25 21:56 |
| _Hicham_ | because we already know how the US plans | Jun 25 21:56 |
| _Hicham_ | it is old | Jun 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | How a Heartwarming, Kick-Ass Father's Day Photo Shoot Ended Up Face Down in Handcuffs on the Addison Airport Tarmac < http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/06/how_a_heartwarming_kick-ass_fa.php > | Jun 25 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | they are repeating the same plan everytime | Jun 25 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | at last they are gonna invade the UK | Jun 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Spin Watch | Jun 25 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | :-D | Jun 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Keep us posted. | Jun 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | UK? No. | Jun 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | The UK has little oil | Jun 25 21:57 |
| ThistleWeb | and a govt willing to bend over and spread the cheeks | Jun 25 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | u seen the movie "Canadian Bacon"? | Jun 25 21:57 |
| ThistleWeb | they don't call it a "special relationship" for nothing :) | Jun 25 21:58 |
| schestowitz | But if the US wanted to invade the UK it would probably start with the usual "one testicle"/"small penis" smear about the foreign leader. | Jun 25 21:58 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: is it like Jono Bacon? :-D | Jun 25 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Or Kevin Bacon? | Jun 25 21:58 |
| ThistleWeb | Jono with added eh? | Jun 25 21:58 |
| _Hicham_ | in this movie the us wanted to invade Canada | Jun 25 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Jono moved from the UK to Bay Area | Jun 25 21:59 |
| _Hicham_ | u didn't see it? | Jun 25 21:59 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a funny movie | Jun 25 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Facebook Hack Beats Privacy Settings http://securitywatch.eweek.com/vulnerability_research/facebook_hack_beats_privacy_settings.html | Jun 25 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Lancaster, Pa., keeps a close eye on itself < http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-spycam-city21-2009jun21,0,3641451.story > | Jun 25 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Wouldn't it be funny if Iraq said it needed to liberate the US from oppression? | Jun 25 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a lot of oppression in the US | Jun 25 22:00 |
| schestowitz | And then exaggerated the facts about censorship, wiretapping, police state-ing? | Jun 25 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | That's a good idea for a blockbuster :-) | Jun 25 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Jun 25 22:00 |
| schestowitz | A comedy/satire about the US being liberated | Jun 25 22:00 |
| schestowitz | And the UK too | Jun 25 22:00 |
| schestowitz | To respect people's voices | Jun 25 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Not just the privileged class | Jun 25 22:00 |
| _Hicham_ | the US is one of the most corrupted countries on earth | Jun 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Jun 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | See the charts | Jun 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | It's not so decent in the UK and US (better in Spain IIRC), but there are worse | Jun 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Some African nations are most corrupt | Jun 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Some in south America too | Jun 25 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Where you have you head blown off if you piss off people | Jun 25 22:01 |
| tacone | italy italy :)) | Jun 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | How Science Fiction Writers Can Help, or Hurt, Homeland Security < http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2009/06/securitymatters_0619 > | Jun 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Italy is quite all right, I think | Jun 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | On a global standard | Jun 25 22:02 |
| tacone | http://www.repubblica.it/ (read first headline) | Jun 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | The US is not corrupt | Jun 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | The "brave cowboy" in the White House takes care of all those bad guys(C) | Jun 25 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Clear, aka the "TSA fast pass," shuts down http://www.boingboing.net/2009/06/22/clear-aka-the-tsa-fa.html | Jun 25 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Here's a brave gal who mess with the MAFIAA: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/thomasfollow/ | Jun 25 22:04 |
| schestowitz | *messed | Jun 25 22:04 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone is the greatest maffioso ever | Jun 25 22:06 |
| _Hicham_ | :P | Jun 25 22:06 |
| ThistleWeb | given how many lawsuits and allegations there's been against Berlusconi, and how much of the media he owns privately, you have to wonder how corrupt Italy is to still have him ft for office, let alone PM | Jun 25 22:06 |
| tacone | so true | Jun 25 22:06 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : thanks for the post about solang | Jun 25 22:06 |
| tacone | italian government doesn't exist anymore since decades | Jun 25 22:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Hate Twitter spammers? Can hack Perl? Here's a module by @techpractical for you to hack on. http://is.gd/1dsrS | Jun 25 22:07 | |
| ThistleWeb | sadly, he's a laughing stock, so I feel for Italians who shudder when Berlusconi makes a gaff thinking "he's not one of us" | Jun 25 22:07 |
| tacone | after the mafia war got at its high level the mafia decided to infiltrate the government rather than fighting it. | Jun 25 22:07 |
| ThistleWeb | then again, we have Gordon Brown, who seems to be uncapable of driving the government after taking the wheel from Blair | Jun 25 22:07 |
| ThistleWeb | spent too long as the bridesmaid that he'd rather crash the car than admit he can't drive | Jun 25 22:08 |
| tacone | we have no government :) | Jun 25 22:08 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: do you listen to the software freedom law center podcast? | Jun 25 22:09 |
| tacone | constellation got aligned | Jun 25 22:09 |
| tacone | bush, sarkozy, berlusconi, merkel and putin, all at the same time. | Jun 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | More fascists in Europe: Sarkozy Says He Will “Go All The Way” With 3 Strikes < http://torrentfreak.com/sarkozy-says-he-will-go-all-the-way-with-3-strikes-090623/ > | Jun 25 22:10 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno about merkel | Jun 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I did a few times | Jun 25 22:10 |
| tacone | bush faded away but the damage is done. | Jun 25 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I link to it now, but rarely listen although I ought to | Jun 25 22:10 |
| ThistleWeb | latest ep is all about the EU antitrust case against microsoft | Jun 25 22:10 |
| ThistleWeb | the eban moglin talk ep was amazing, I think it was ep 5 or 6 | Jun 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: he makes good arguments | Jun 25 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | he does | Jun 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Social gaming mob war breaks out: Zynga sues Playdom http://games.venturebeat.com/2009/06/22/social-gaming-mob-war-breaks-out-as-zynga-sues-playdom/ | Jun 25 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, I read that as "nob war" which put the mental picture that "well, gamers tend to be blokes, blokes who always want to show themselves to be bigger than the other guy, so maybe it's apt" | Jun 25 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | DHS killing satellite self-spying program < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/23/dhs_killing_satellite_self_spy_program/ > | Jun 25 22:16 |
| schestowitz | lenti = Mutex = banned troll nymshift | Jun 25 22:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kindle’s DRM Rears Its Ugly Head… And It IS Ugly http://ping.fm/Gk40T | Jun 25 22:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive mineral discovery in North Idaho < http://ping.fm/GewYu > | Jun 25 22:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Second Life-compatible viewer, which the company developed with the open source community." http://ping.fm/sOmOo | Jun 25 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | What a silly idea: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10272966-16.html (Should Oracle's Linux strategy be...Ubuntu?) Maybe just an advertisement for his friend, Mark | Jun 25 22:33 |
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| _Goblin | A thought occurred to me regarding the Mono question. Lets say for argument sake there is no legal/patent trap for Mono apps...Could it be resistance to mono and fragmentation of the Linux community what Microsoft really want to use mono for? | Jun 25 22:40 |
| MinceR | could be | Jun 25 22:41 |
| MinceR | but that could do a lot less damage | Jun 25 22:41 |
| _Goblin | Thats what I believe the real threat of Mono to be... | Jun 25 22:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two more Microsoft managers quit, one lands where she can do damage http://ping.fm/wdWIb http://ping.fm/X7owj | Jun 25 22:42 | |
| _Goblin | the refusal by a portion of the Linux community to follow Microsoft standards, because lets face it, the average user neither cares nor understands what Mono is (IMO) if the devs/geeks go one way and the "mainstream" user go another, that fragmentation could work in favor of Microsoft. | Jun 25 22:42 |
| schestowitz | New: "There was some inconclusive discussion about patents. While Hodge showed us a list of technologies which form the Microsoft Open Specification - there is a promise not to sue if these are used - he, understandably, could not offer any clues on the licensing of patents in Mono , for example." http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25904/1231/ | Jun 25 22:47 |
| ugufjhfj | _Goblin, its what I think about mono... | Jun 25 22:48 |
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| _Goblin | ugufjhfj: I do though believe that if Mono is to have a place in Linux, it should not be Canonical being the pioneer. It seems to me very strange that the inclusion and enthusiasm of Mono by Ubuntu (which just happens to be the first port of call for many moving from Windows) is a little too coincidental for my liking. Thats not saying I believe there is some legal battle looming on the horizon, but simply that as far as Micro | Jun 25 22:54 |
| lenti | what the linux community have with Mono is Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt what is at debate is who created that fear, uncertainty and doubt and is it justified. and yes it is damaging, and yes the average user would not even know what a linux community is let alone what a Mono is. | Jun 25 22:56 |
| _Goblin | and lets not forget, for the new user Linux can be a very confusing place with DE's distro's RPM's and DEBS....and now they will be reading (and only partially understanding) about Mono...... | Jun 25 22:56 |
| _Goblin | if it is intentional on behalf of Microsoft, its ingenious. | Jun 25 22:57 |
| _Goblin | I think the answer will come from the devs. Its all well and good stating the Mono case, but the average user will always go where the apps are and if coders are pro-Mono then there will be no choice.... | Jun 25 22:58 |
| ugufjhfj | yep | Jun 25 22:58 |
| _Goblin | Speaking in regards to the demoscene....most are still trapped in the .net | Jun 25 22:59 |
| lenti | and the other bottom line is good coders will go where the work and money is, and that is .net these days. | Jun 25 22:59 |
| _Goblin | I would expect a blossoming Linux demoscene to do the same albeit via Mono... | Jun 25 22:59 |
| _Goblin | Whilst I challenge Microsoft, for me the big issue with .net is the way (IMO) it has led to a coders de-skilling... | Jun 25 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Mutex, you're still here to troll | Jun 25 23:00 |
| schestowitz | You also nymshifted like 5 times to escape bans | Jun 25 23:01 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!*@58.168.107.92 | Jun 25 23:01 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked lenti from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jun 25 23:01 | |
| _Goblin | picture the scene...1990's....all we had was a 68k handbook, Devpac 2 and dpaint..... | Jun 25 23:01 |
| schestowitz | And those who know Mutex (and other names) will know why I had to do this | Jun 25 23:01 |
| _Goblin | np Roy....I didnt realize | Jun 25 23:01 |
| schestowitz | He'll come back with another nym. He has had like 7 | Jun 25 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Same ISP, same style, same IRC client | Jun 25 23:02 |
| _Goblin | Its a shame...I thought I was going to get a sensible discussion. The fact it was Mutex all along means he was simply trolling... | Jun 25 23:02 |
| _Goblin | and I wasted my time. | Jun 25 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Embrace and extend: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3159 (Microsoft: Outlook's not broken and we aren't 'fixing' it) | Jun 25 23:03 |
| schestowitz | And we have the mails to show that this was deliberate | Jun 25 23:03 |
| _Goblin | yeah I read that article. | Jun 25 23:03 |
| _Goblin | theres much fear out there.... | Jun 25 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Did you hear about Digg? | Jun 25 23:03 |
| ThistleWeb | fear is the path to the dark side | Jun 25 23:03 |
| _Goblin | no? | Jun 25 23:03 |
| schestowitz | ttp://blogs.computerworld.com/digg_dug_buried_how_linux_news_disappears | Jun 25 23:03 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/digg_dug_buried_how_linux_news_disappears | Jun 25 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Mutex | Jun 25 23:04 |
| _Goblin | Its funny you should say that roy...when one of my articles was dug, I posted in the comments section identifing myself as the author..... | Jun 25 23:05 |
| _Goblin | I was -2 within a few hours... | Jun 25 23:05 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: see that item about Digg | Jun 25 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Some people's full-time job appears to be controlling the Web | Jun 25 23:05 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: Spiderman? | Jun 25 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | More Linux.. http://gizmodo.com/5301321/linksys-wrt160nl-is-fully-linux-powered-80211n-and-acts-as-media-server | Jun 25 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Mutex must be working out a IP proxy :-) | Jun 25 23:08 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Jun 25 23:08 |
| _Goblin | Why does he bother? | Jun 25 23:08 |
| schestowitz | He's from linsux | Jun 25 23:08 |
| ThistleWeb | bbl | Jun 25 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Their job is to slime Linux | Jun 25 23:08 |
| schestowitz | They admit this | Jun 25 23:08 |
| _Goblin | nobody here is going to be swayed by anything anyone says... | Jun 25 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Like.. in FSDaily. Very funny. | Jun 25 23:08 |
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| _Goblin | thats why we are here...freedom of discussion. | Jun 25 23:09 |
| schestowitz | BN should be proud to be their target. The LinSUX people fear it :-) | Jun 25 23:09 |
| _Goblin | It is a compliment I suppose.... | Jun 25 23:09 |
| _Goblin | its also a little sad that adults have to behave in such ways. | Jun 25 23:09 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: not the point, _Goblin | Jun 25 23:09 |
| schestowitz | They are here to harm the discussion | Jun 25 23:09 |
| schestowitz | I.e. end it | Jun 25 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Trolling drive away by aggravation, flooding, abuse or dilution | Jun 25 23:10 |
| _Goblin | but they dont do they? We see through them and in anycase they are not very bright. | Jun 25 23:10 |
| schestowitz | That's why COLA is trolled so badly | Jun 25 23:10 |
| schestowitz | If they were bright they would help Linux | Jun 25 23:10 |
| schestowitz | "Linux is a cult that captures the best-and-brightest kids." --Jim Gray (Microsoft Research) | Jun 25 23:10 |
| _Goblin | I personally think the trolls help the conversation.... | Jun 25 23:11 |
| _Goblin | I think that their baseless arguments help highlight our points better. | Jun 25 23:11 |
| schestowitz | No, thanks | Jun 25 23:12 |
| schestowitz | It's reducing signal | Jun 25 23:12 |
| schestowitz | It's diversion | Jun 25 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Right, MinceR? | Jun 25 23:12 |
| _Goblin | I see what you mean.... | Jun 25 23:12 |
| schestowitz | balzac has been quiet for weeks. Same with Balrog | Jun 25 23:12 |
| _Goblin | It depends who and how they are handled.... | Jun 25 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | We're here to talk about the issue | Jun 25 23:12 |
| schestowitz | The trolls are here to change the issues discussed | Jun 25 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Like us pretending that the market demands .NET | Jun 25 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Which is Microsoft lies... PR for .NET | Jun 25 23:13 |
| schestowitz | The market needs LAMP, Java, etc. Like Google.. | Jun 25 23:13 |
| _Goblin | but even if they suceeed, they are not going to convince anyone here since everyone else comes here because they agree with and support your work. | Jun 25 23:13 |
| _Goblin | even if a troll distracts me, Im not going to suddenly change my views on anything. | Jun 25 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Ruby shines in North American developer survey < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/23/ruby_use_up_40percent_evans_data_2009_survey/ > See? | Jun 25 23:14 |
| neighborlee | oh dear..poor guy I feel sorry for him and family..michael jackson dead ;)( | Jun 25 23:17 |
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| neighborlee | heart attack | Jun 25 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Oh no! | Jun 25 23:20 |
| *schestowitz listened to Jackson+Jackson 5 all afternoon | Jun 25 23:20 | |
| schestowitz | What a terrible coincidence | Jun 25 23:20 |
| neighborlee | ACK | Jun 25 23:20 |
| schestowitz | I was just listening to jackson 5 | Jun 25 23:21 |
| schestowitz | When you told me about this | Jun 25 23:21 |
| neighborlee | I dont care what people say..I think he seemed like a dear person..maybe not,,god can judge him either way | Jun 25 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Jackson 5 - Blame It On The Boogie | Jun 25 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Ok who heart attack neighborlee | Jun 25 23:21 |
| neighborlee | michael jackson | Jun 25 23:21 |
| neighborlee | age 50 | Jun 25 23:21 |
| neighborlee | in shock here..I really did admire him in many ways....a real shame imho | Jun 25 23:21 |
| neighborlee | ben | Jun 25 23:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux is gradually being installed on almost every PC (to run at boot time): http://ping.fm/7PzIh | Jun 25 23:22 | |
| schestowitz | Twitter went bonkers too | Jun 25 23:22 |
| neighborlee | if you haven't seen the wiz..you should | Jun 25 23:22 |
| neighborlee | brb I GOTTA check cable tv | Jun 25 23:22 |
| schestowitz | @michael > apt-get install R.I.P. Linux 9.2 Has Linux Kernel 2.6.29.5 < http://news.softpedia.com/news/R-I-P-Linux-9-2-Has-Linux-Kernel-2-6-29-5-114954.shtml > | Jun 25 23:23 |
| oiaohm | I went threw the changes to 2.6.31-rc1 No memory compression. But out of ram handling improved and cuse has made it. | Jun 25 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Heart attack @ 50. Did he have unhealthy habits like drinking? | Jun 25 23:24 |
| oiaohm | michael jackson had a few dna faults. | Jun 25 23:24 |
| oiaohm | He started life black and by age 40 he was basically light grey. | Jun 25 23:25 |
| schestowitz | let's see how auick Wikipedia responds | Jun 25 23:25 |
| schestowitz | *quick | Jun 25 23:25 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Jackson&action=history | Jun 25 23:26 |
| schestowitz | It already says he died | Jun 25 23:26 |
| schestowitz | "(not definitely died)" | Jun 25 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's like in thriller | Jun 25 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Resurrection night coming, y'know.. | Jun 25 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Michael Jackson was diagnosed in 1986 with vitiligo and lupus << I knew he had some faults. | Jun 25 23:28 |
| oiaohm | lupus can lead to heart problems. | Jun 25 23:28 |
| schestowitz | "On June 25, 2009, Jackson was hospitalized after suffering a cardiac arrest, and died shortly after[151]. Family members reported that he was in "really bad shape" and "not doing well." [152]" | Jun 25 23:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Little boys all over the world will sleep a little better tonight... | Jun 25 23:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Michael Jackson has just died. Look how fast Wikipedia responds: http://ping.fm/m65I3 | Jun 25 23:32 | |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/windows-7-pricing-announced-cheaper-than-vista.ars Still too much for netbooks. | Jun 25 23:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here's a cute little gadget: http://ping.fm/f3bw5 | Jun 25 23:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another stunning little netbooks runs Linux: http://ping.fm/ntX24 | Jun 25 23:37 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: also too fat | Jun 25 23:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: people tested it. Too heavy for netbooks | Jun 25 23:37 |
| schestowitz | They'll spec em up and call them something else | Jun 25 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Linux will rule with thing like this: http://www.slashgear.com/always-innovating-touch-book-hits-production-2547982/ | Jun 25 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat Beats as Frugal Firms Embrace Linux < http://www.thestreet.com/story/10527424/1/red-hat-beats-as-frugal-firms-embrace-linux.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEFI > Great news to Linux fans !! | Jun 25 23:38 |
| oiaohm | cuse support in 2.6.31 allows almost all char based devices to be made user space. Thinking Linux kernel really only has 4 driver types. Network filters that are user space. Filesystem with fuse is users space. Char with cuse is most user space and block. | Jun 25 23:40 |
| oiaohm | wonder if we will see more closed source drivers for Linux soon. | Jun 25 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Why closed? | Jun 25 23:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great week for Linux.. http://ping.fm/O1l33 http://ping.fm/3XxJR | Jun 25 23:42 | |
| schestowitz | The hackers welcome it less and less | Jun 25 23:42 |
| oiaohm | Closed not kernel space. | Jun 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Kernel Log: Main development phase of Linux 2.6.31 completed < http://www.h-online.com/open/Kernel-Log-Main-development-phase-of-Linux-2-6-31-completed--/news/113614 > | Jun 25 23:44 |
| oiaohm | I have been threw the change log of 2.6.31 already schestowitz | Jun 25 23:44 |
| oiaohm | A closed source user space driver is better than no driver at all schestowitz. | Jun 25 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Some people prefer to buy hardware from the 'open' companies | Jun 25 23:45 |
| schestowitz | PR? Cisco announces new Linux-powered router < http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20090625/cisco-announces-linuxpowered-router/ > | Jun 25 23:46 |
| schestowitz | "Twitter software applications prone to crashes, tests show" http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2009/06/25/twitter_software_applications_prone_to_crashes_tests_show/ | Jun 25 23:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Michael Jackson's death knocked Wikipedia off air momentarily: http://bit.ly/gcDSg | Jun 25 23:47 | |
| oiaohm | Cisco linux powered router allows custom firmwares. | Jun 25 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Linus software whose goal is to combat Windows-only junk: http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2009/030909-exchange-alternatives-test-communigate.html | Jun 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, they try to play Linux-friendly | Jun 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | While violating GPL | Jun 25 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Cisco is avoiding violating GPL now. | Jun 25 23:52 |
| oiaohm | You can download the source code to the firmware. | Jun 25 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Cisco has got a lot more strict with there suppliers since the GPL mess. | Jun 25 23:53 |
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| ShexNivis | is opensuse made/owned by novell? | Jun 25 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Whose pocket is Merrill in? | Jun 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/06/25/red-hat-despite-solid-q1-merrill-downgrades-to-neutral/#mod=yahoobarrons http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/10527140/1/analysts-upgrades-downgrades-red-hat.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA | Jun 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Hi, ShexNivis | Jun 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | yes, it is | Jun 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Novell owns OpenSUSE(R) | Jun 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Analyst bullies.. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ahead-of-the-Bell-Red-Hat-apf-15617063.html?x=1&.v=1 | Jun 25 23:59 |
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