| schestowitz | Leaky ram | Jul 13 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | wallclimber: got all the other mails too, thanks | Jul 13 00:06 |
| wallclimber | z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z (I'm napping) | Jul 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Wow. | Jul 13 00:07 |
| wallclimber | have you ever fallen asleep on your keyboard? | Jul 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | That's amazing | Jul 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Good work | Jul 13 00:07 |
| wallclimber | Thanks! :) | Jul 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: no, I lack tiredness | Jul 13 00:08 |
| wallclimber | lol...just wait a few decades | Jul 13 00:08 |
| wallclimber | ok, i was mostly waiting to make sure you got everything... | Jul 13 00:09 |
| wallclimber | I'm going to forage for food now | Jul 13 00:10 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 13 00:10 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : is mono widely used commercially? | Jul 13 00:16 |
| schestowitz | No. | Jul 13 00:25 |
| Ng | _Hicham_: http://www.mono-project.com/Companies_Using_Mono | Jul 13 00:26 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : big list | Jul 13 00:26 |
| schestowitz | cOMPANIES use Java | Jul 13 00:26 |
| _Hicham_ | what about this list? | Jul 13 00:27 |
| _Hicham_ | or Miguel made it up? | Jul 13 00:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/a6bhq - I think I'm just about done tweaking Wolvix. Very happy, great distro! #linux | Jul 13 00:28 | |
| _Hicham_ | even Mozilla is using Mono? | Jul 13 00:28 |
| _Hicham_ | Wikipedia | Jul 13 00:28 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Jul 13 00:29 |
| Oh yes, many will die, drug resistance through inequitable distribution is the greatest public health risk people face -> schestowitz: twitter: some people die | Jul 13 00:29 | |
| I'd put the risk up there with global warming | Jul 13 00:30 | |
| The threat completely blows away the usual reasoning for patents. The emergence of flesh eating bacteria, and there spread beyond hospitals are great cause for alarm. | Jul 13 00:32 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they may use it /somewhere/ | Jul 13 00:33 |
| schestowitz | It's not indicative of Mono 'taking over' these companies | Jul 13 00:33 |
| schestowitz | No more than sqlite is taking over Google | Jul 13 00:33 |
| _Hicham_ | sqlite is taking over Linux | Jul 13 00:33 |
| _Hicham_ | it is used everywhere | Jul 13 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Jeff Hawkins is computer vision now: Mandriva Linux One is certainly worth a download for anybody in the market for a desktop Linux distribution. | Jul 13 00:35 |
| schestowitz | sqlite founder is poor | Jul 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Not much income | Jul 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I think Grauniad wrote about it | Jul 13 00:36 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Mandriva One is great | Jul 13 00:37 |
| _Hicham_ | it just works | Jul 13 00:37 |
| _Hicham_ | I would recommend it over Ubuntu | Jul 13 00:37 |
| _Goblin | agreed Hicham.. | Jul 13 00:37 |
| _Goblin | I cant understand why Mandriva gets overlooked in favor of Ubuntu. | Jul 13 00:38 |
| _Goblin | IMO its just as "out of the box" as Ubuntu, | Jul 13 00:38 |
| _Hicham_ | and plus it is easily configurable | Jul 13 00:41 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jul 13 00:47 |
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| _Hicham_ | gn schestowitz | Jul 13 00:52 |
| _Goblin | I wish I knew who here recommended Wolvix.... | Jul 13 00:55 |
| _Goblin | I forgot who it was..would like to thank them.. | Jul 13 00:56 |
| _Hicham_ | did u like Wolvix? | Jul 13 00:59 |
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| _Goblin | yeah | Jul 13 01:01 |
| _Goblin | very much so. | Jul 13 01:01 |
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| _Goblin | Its now replaced Gentoo on my main rig... | Jul 13 01:01 |
| _Hicham_ | what did u like about it? | Jul 13 01:02 |
| _Goblin | speed mainly... | Jul 13 01:02 |
| _Goblin | hellishly punchy | Jul 13 01:02 |
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| _Goblin | and any distro that comes with Abiword packaged as default is another bonus... | Jul 13 01:03 |
| _Goblin | I've never warmed to OO simply because I only need a wordprocessor. | Jul 13 01:04 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Seems a bit early to be declaring victory over software patents. | Jul 13 01:11 |
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| There will be no victory, only freedom which must be guarded -> tessier: schestowitz: Seems a bit early to be declaring victory over software patents. | Jul 13 01:50 | |
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| Visa 7 failure log updated http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215957 | Jul 13 03:44 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | "monoculture" | Jul 13 04:35 |
| *Diablo-D3 snickers | Jul 13 04:35 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I figured out why my article became popular | Jul 13 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8zx30/java_development_outpaces_c_development_on_all/ | Jul 13 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | someone reddited it | Jul 13 04:39 |
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| Diablo-D3 | did anyone figure out who nastymicrosoft was? | Jul 13 04:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | because he's dugg that article | Jul 13 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://digg.com/programming/Java_development_outpaces_C_development_on_all_platforms/who | Jul 13 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | its on dzone too: http://www.dzone.com/links/java_development_outpaces_c_development_on_all_pl.html | Jul 13 05:02 |
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| how Wintel fills up the dump with toxic waste http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1PO7nyyLn0 | Jul 13 05:35 | |
| was looking for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpDyJObCKOY | Jul 13 05:36 | |
| whopper list http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/07/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html | Jul 13 05:48 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26224/1090/ | Jul 13 06:30 |
| schestowitz | They people are bullies. | Jul 13 06:30 |
| schestowitz | He should keep up the good work. | Jul 13 06:30 |
| schestowitz | Well, that Palin list lost me a subscriber when I posted it in Twitter | Jul 13 06:32 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kenrangen/status/2603460740 | Jul 13 06:32 |
| really? | Jul 13 06:32 | |
| damn shame | Jul 13 06:32 | |
| Was it real or astroturf? | Jul 13 06:34 | |
| suicidal sockpuppets are a way to manipulate people. behind the scenes praise and damnation of all sorts | Jul 13 06:35 | |
| Ina Fried has some kind of study showing most businesses don't want Vista 7. The numbers planning to deploy look a little high. | Jul 13 06:35 | |
| http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10285117-56.html | Jul 13 06:36 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, no Fried shill, please | Jul 13 06:36 |
| schestowitz | There must be bait | Jul 13 06:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | hey roy | Jul 13 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats a good anti-microsoft pro-foss digg clone | Jul 13 06:44 |
| fewa | dungg | Jul 13 06:49 |
| Bait or not, http://slashdot.org/submission/1037217/Windows-7-Meets-Early-Business-Rejection | Jul 13 06:59 | |
| Good morning Steve, care for some Windows 7 news? | Jul 13 07:00 | |
| how about this http://slashdot.org/submission/1037137/Ubuntu-with-Ext3-is-Faster-than-Windows-7-and-XP | Jul 13 07:00 | |
| here come the flying chairs. | Jul 13 07:00 | |
| Oh shit, more fraud fall out is on the way http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.fUiHMvPVyE | Jul 13 07:04 | |
| Perhaps Bill Gates and Warren Buffet can come to the rescue. ha ha. | Jul 13 07:06 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi there | Jul 13 07:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More on the Amazing Story Behind SCO (and Possibly Microsoft) http://ping.fm/ZJEJT | Jul 13 07:10 | |
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| Well, that is amazing. | Jul 13 07:23 | |
| Strange things happen in the final instants of SCO implosion. | Jul 13 07:24 | |
| They picked a good week to wink out. The financial news will dominate this week if CIT blows up. | Jul 13 07:25 | |
| Hmm, Slashdot likes the ext3 benchmark study. | Jul 13 07:31 | |
| Thanks for finding it! | Jul 13 07:31 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: heh, market is almost down to 0% for the past 13 weeks | Jul 13 07:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | if today and tommorow close down, we'll be negative | Jul 13 07:36 |
| Slashdot dose not like a story about Vista 7 running the same kinds of numbers Vista did, with fewer than 6% of businesses considering it. | Jul 13 07:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Still Lobbies for Software Patents in Europe, via ACT/Jonathan Zuck http://ping.fm/ZsMee | Jul 13 07:50 | |
| schestowitz | Slashdot ought to publish that benchmark in FP. It's a lot of work. | Jul 13 07:50 |
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| Diablo-D3 | what benchmark? | Jul 13 08:14 |
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| schestowitz | See the Slashdot link and daily links :-) | Jul 13 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is smoking Windows for breakfast | Jul 13 08:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh thats nothing new | Jul 13 08:15 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I repond to that Mono FUD right now | Jul 13 09:12 |
| schestowitz | SD Times | Jul 13 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Give me 5 minutes | Jul 13 09:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | kkk | Jul 13 09:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, key stuck | Jul 13 09:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | goddamnit | Jul 13 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Why do you mix your messages with racist remarks? | Jul 13 09:19 |
| schestowitz | It's a shame because you have knowledge and you harm your message with iffy stuff | Jul 13 09:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt | Jul 13 09:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was an accident | Jul 13 09:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | my k key stuck | Jul 13 09:21 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: like you've never had keys stick | Jul 13 09:33 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I think you try to put strings in our logs | Jul 13 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, see the following http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/13/software-landmines-roundup/ | Jul 13 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Scroll down to "SD Times". I address their article on Mono | Jul 13 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe MS hooked him up with a biased lawyers just like they seemingly hooked him up with Laura DiDio, the Microsoft puppet | Jul 13 09:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Software Landmines in New Zealand, the US, and Microsoft/Linux < http://ping.fm/Mvfyg > | Jul 13 09:42 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: paranoia much? | Jul 13 09:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Many businesses plan to skip Windows 7 : http://bit.ly/jE8QS #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #windows7 #7 | Jul 13 09:52 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I expecting a bigger blurb | Jul 13 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I wrote about this before | Jul 13 10:04 |
| schestowitz | I can find the article | Jul 13 10:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is Mono’s Latest Strategy to Vilify Richard Stallman? http://ping.fm/uwKav | Jul 13 10:05 | |
| schestowitz | here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/11/mono-roundup-still-ugly/ | Jul 13 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Scroll down to "lunch" | Jul 13 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah I saw that one already | Jul 13 10:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Distrowatch has linked to a review of mine. Thanks! http://bit.ly/1ie75q #linux | Jul 13 10:09 | |
| schestowitz | 2 Linux exhibits are left to do at top of: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux | Jul 13 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: so, you pick up java yet? | Jul 13 10:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Leaked 2002 Document: Microsoft Compares Windows XP and Office to GNU/Linux and StarOffice http://ping.fm/9pjtq | Jul 13 10:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Software bug? [IMG] http://ping.fm/DjCKD | Jul 13 11:08 | |
| Ng | does their comparison of Office and StarOffice involve a lot of laughter? ;) | Jul 13 11:08 |
| schestowitz | http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/06/low-end-linux-netbook-prices-c.html# | Jul 13 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Windows can't compete on price | Jul 13 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Margins goes BOOM | Jul 13 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Elevation of cost using sw pats: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009062823330395 | Jul 13 11:09 |
| schestowitz | Stallman: open-source .NET 'danger' for Debian http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/29/richard_stallman_cautions_against_mono_in_free_software/ | Jul 13 11:10 |
| Ng | StarOffice might be cheap, but it's also not very good :) | Jul 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Monopolists in action: Consumer Group Wants ACTA Discussions Stopped Until Consumer Rights Are Represented In Negotiations http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090628/1640555388.shtml | Jul 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Ng: it's very good | Jul 13 11:10 |
| Ng | Office might be absurdly expensive, but it is actually quite a capable office package | Jul 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | When used with ODF and all. | Jul 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Got all the features one needs | Jul 13 11:10 |
| Ng | I am just hugely thankful that I don't have to use either, because all Office suites drive me mad | Jul 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | I personally find Koffice satisfactory for my needs | Jul 13 11:11 |
| Guest_327 | its not even very expensive. | Jul 13 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Word processor is just an advanced text editor | Jul 13 11:11 |
| Guest_327 | true | Jul 13 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Ng: same here | Jul 13 11:11 |
| Ng | only partially true, word processors generally bleed into the lower end of DTP these days | Jul 13 11:11 |
| Ng | certainly people use them in places where they should be using a capable DTP app | Jul 13 11:11 |
| schestowitz | On the rare occasion I might be sent a 'document' (editable), not a PDF | Jul 13 11:12 |
| schestowitz | That's what suites are for... viewers of stuff that's raw, not PDFed | Jul 13 11:12 |
| schestowitz | LyX hardly counts as a word processor | Jul 13 11:13 |
| schestowitz | More like a typesetting front end | Jul 13 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Semantics with values for templates | Jul 13 11:13 |
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| Diablo-D3 | latex and friends _are_ for typesetting | Jul 13 11:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Australian Press Prints Movie Industry Myths About Piracy Funding Terrorism http://ping.fm/4a4Nz | Jul 13 11:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Stop ID cards, says Scottish minister http://ping.fm/JGuor | Jul 13 11:20 | |
| schestowitz | Did the Sanford E-Mail Tipster or the Newspaper Break the Law? http://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/paul/did-sanford-e-mail-tipster-or-newspaper-break-law | Jul 13 11:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New solar airplane unveiled in Switzerland http://ping.fm/gSwg4 Better than wings of wax | Jul 13 11:22 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/01/ms_eu_pricing_upgrade/ "More money for less software - what a unique concept!" | Jul 13 11:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another reason to use SFTP and never FTP: http://ping.fm/xKCtl (Trojan Swipes FTP Credentials for Major Companies in Malware Attack) | Jul 13 11:25 | |
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| schestowitz | Aaron Seigo Fears Demise of Freedesktop.org < http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Aaron-Seigo-Fears-Demise-of-Freedesktop.org >. Progress was made at the Summit last week though | Jul 13 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | "I expected it to be an analysis of how the concept of “IP” /itself/ is dishonest, but it turns out to actually support the misconception of “piracy”, and simply expounds the need to blindly obey corrupt laws without dissent. " http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=557 | Jul 13 11:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] With DirectX support in Virtualbox, why would anyone dual-boot with Windows now? http://ping.fm/pSQu6 | Jul 13 11:35 | |
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| _Goblin | and even more relevant, whats the point of XPM in Vista 7? | Jul 13 11:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Fox network gets sued for libel" http://ping.fm/AirRs Iraq should file for class action. | Jul 13 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: misery | Jul 13 11:39 |
| schestowitz | It's weird | Jul 13 11:39 |
| schestowitz | To use analogies: | Jul 13 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Fedora 10 now comes with Fedora 8 built in!! Nice feeeeechure | Jul 13 11:40 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what do u mean? | Jul 13 11:40 |
| schestowitz | When you buy your Casio calculator you get an abacus for FREE! | Jul 13 11:40 |
| _Hicham_ | when u buy mono, u get a picture of Miguel for free | Jul 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they sell Windows with antiquated products included | Jul 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Because they are too incompetent to make things improve over time and retain compat | Jul 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: not Miguel, Stsve | Jul 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | You buy the Mono licence from Microsoft | Jul 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Novell is just the shop | Jul 13 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is the factory/manufacturer | Jul 13 11:42 |
| _Hicham_ | where is oiaohm ? | Jul 13 11:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NSA plans massive, 65MW, $2bn data center in Utah http://ping.fm/oWT6U Maybe they'll use it to play Chess..? | Jul 13 11:44 | |
| schestowitz | Gotta love this: McAfee false-positive glitch fells PCs worldwide < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/03/mcafee_false_positive_glitch/ > | Jul 13 11:44 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: oiaohm is meditating in ASCII | Jul 13 11:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: what? | Jul 13 11:44 |
| Ng | _Goblin: people write products for XP and they use the APIs in specific ways. It's more reliable and easier to just ship those APIs in a compatibility module than it is to force the software vendors to update all their stuff to work with the newer APIs in Vista | Jul 13 11:44 |
| oiaohm | I am here just reading stuff. | Jul 13 11:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wife exposes chief spy's personal life on Facek00k http://ping.fm/N1FJ5 | Jul 13 11:46 | |
| Ng | _Goblin: this doesn't affect open source because we can just patch things trivially to make them work, or recompile them or whatever :) | Jul 13 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Sarah Palin attorney warns press on 'defamatory material' http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24521.html | Jul 13 11:46 |
| schestowitz | First they attack the young chap who sneaked into her E-mail and now this | Jul 13 11:46 |
| oiaohm | The false positive glitches are going to become more common. | Jul 13 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she just cries and goes to the legal system because she cannot cope with criticism | Jul 13 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Not a good trait for a president | Jul 13 11:47 |
| oiaohm | The databases of windows defects are just getting that huge these days. | Jul 13 11:47 |
| schestowitz | And it's likely that McCain will pass away | Jul 13 11:47 |
| schestowitz | As president she'd cry on TV or something | Jul 13 11:47 |
| axord | I think most would expect a female pres to cry, given the right circumstances | Jul 13 11:48 |
| axord | Not as a sign of weakness, but of compassion | Jul 13 11:49 |
| _Goblin | ng: my point was, if XP mode is important to a 7 user, then the more expensive versions that ship with XPM will not be needed in favor of VM for those that require XP compat. XPM mode doesnt even have DX support... | Jul 13 11:49 |
| Ng | _Goblin: I would typically expect that these compatibility features are most likely to be cared about, and paid for, by businesses with bespoke applications they can't easily port, so DirectX is supremely uninteresting to them | Jul 13 11:51 |
| Ng | Raymond Chen has a blog somewhere with some interesting insights into the kind of contortions they've gone through to keep API compatibility (sometimes even with applications that were misusing APIs) | Jul 13 11:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/980_signs.jpg | Jul 13 11:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf | Jul 13 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | VX-200 demonstrates superconducting first stage at full power http://spacefellowship.com/2009/07/06/vx-200-demonstrates-superconducting-first-stage-at-full-power/ | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | NSA to participate in U.S. cybersecurity < http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/NSA_to_participate_in_U.S._cybersecurity > | Jul 13 12:06 |
| schestowitz | "In 2006 the Electronic Frontier Foundation filed the class action lawsuit Hepting v. AT&T—currently awaiting decision—against AT&T, which under the Bush administration permitted the NSA to look at domestic communications without a warrant. NSA's intelligence gathering is limited only to foreign communications." | Jul 13 12:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another new scandal in Goldman Sachs: http://ping.fm/nPw8u | Jul 13 12:08 | |
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| schestowitz | Olympics loses tech provider < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/13/olympics_infrastructure_nortel/ >. It is all MS-oriented in London. | Jul 13 12:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Cussing relieves pain, psychologists confirm" http://ping.fm/UDpY2 | Jul 13 12:13 | |
| schestowitz | MIT develops camera-like fabric < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10281376-39.html > | Jul 13 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | The european ombudsman just called. They are on the case :-) | Jul 13 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Need to mail them the evidence. eo@ombudsman.europa.eu | Jul 13 12:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Many mono apologists like to portray critics as fanatics, aggressively opposed to anything Microsoft-related." http://ping.fm/zT79I | Jul 13 12:40 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: the war on reddit over my article is still going | Jul 13 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Microisoft has the same tactic for eliminating blogs that are critical of Microsoft | Jul 13 12:41 |
| schestowitz | "Don't listen to them. They are hateful... like the Taliban" | Jul 13 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Reddit has Novell employees in there | Jul 13 12:42 |
| schestowitz | It is flooded with pro-Mono content I hear | Jul 13 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | you should get a reddit account then | Jul 13 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | fight them on their own turf | Jul 13 12:42 |
| Guest_327 | Diablo_D3 where are you talking about ? | Jul 13 12:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | Guest_327: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8zx30/java_development_outpaces_c_development_on_all/ | Jul 13 12:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | 53 up, 46 down | Jul 13 12:46 |
| trmanco | people game reddit | Jul 13 12:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | we can game it right back, however | Jul 13 12:51 |
| trmanco | you posted the link here, but forgot that there were mono people in this channel | Jul 13 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, it looked like that when I realized it was on reddit | Jul 13 12:53 |
| trmanco | it probably already has got into the #mono irc channel on freenode at least | Jul 13 12:54 |
| trmanco | and you are now being down voted pretty badly | Jul 13 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Mo[b]no | Jul 13 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Mololno. | Jul 13 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | Also, Monoculture. | Jul 13 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | Durr, hurr hurr, hurr hurr, hurr. | Jul 13 12:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some other sane views on RMS http://ping.fm/dwLaf | Jul 13 13:00 | |
| Diablo-D3 | so wheres this mystical #mono flood? | Jul 13 13:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | its now 56 to 48 | Jul 13 13:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | from 53 to 46 | Jul 13 13:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | now 56 to 51 | Jul 13 13:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohoho look at the shills go! | Jul 13 13:04 |
| trmanco | see | Jul 13 13:05 |
| trmanco | told ya | Jul 13 13:05 |
| trmanco | well, time to game reddit my way :-P | Jul 13 13:08 |
| trmanco | Diablo-D3, you should't have posted the link here :-P | Jul 13 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | He PMed me about it | Jul 13 13:14 |
| schestowitz | The lins*** folks seem to be mass-burying BN links again | Jul 13 13:15 |
| trmanco | some'old | Jul 13 13:16 |
| trmanco | same* | Jul 13 13:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://digg.com/programming/Java_development_outpaces_C_development_on_all_platforms | Jul 13 13:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | its on digg too | Jul 13 13:17 |
| schestowitz | There are attempts to redefine and shape "open source" now:: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/07/08/what-is-open-core-licensing-and-what-isnt/ | Jul 13 13:18 |
| trmanco | it's already being dugg down | Jul 13 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Time to retreat to "Free software" fast | Jul 13 13:18 |
| schestowitz | How can you tell if it's Dugg /down/? | Jul 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | There is no such thing, except comment moderation | Jul 13 13:19 |
| trmanco | because I dugg it -> 5, refreshed it -> 4 | Jul 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Leaving EnterpriseDB http://andyastor.blogspot.com/2009/06/leaving-enterprisedb.html | Jul 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: how can it be pulled down? | Jul 13 13:20 |
| schestowitz | New features? | Jul 13 13:20 |
| trmanco | Bury | Jul 13 13:20 |
| *schestowitz hasn't bothered with Digg even since Turfers totally took over | Jul 13 13:20 | |
| schestowitz | Bury lowers the score? | Jul 13 13:20 |
| schestowitz | It used to only send signals | Jul 13 13:20 |
| trmanco | yeah, I think so | Jul 13 13:20 |
| trmanco | doesn't it? | Jul 13 13:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | bury is a different metric | Jul 13 13:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikimedia blog: Has anyone been in touch with the NPG? http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/?p=209 | Jul 13 13:21 | |
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| schestowitz | REvolution Releases Breakthrough Parallel Packages and Functions for R http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090701005480&newsLang=en | Jul 13 13:21 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: the scale moves in one direction | Jul 13 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Bury does not change the score unless something was altered | Jul 13 13:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | bury allows digg to see if its worth front paging | Jul 13 13:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its a hidden negative score | Jul 13 13:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | its incredibly retarded, so none of the digg clones use it | Jul 13 13:22 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Jul 13 13:23 |
| trmanco | it's only one way | Jul 13 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, trmanco | Jul 13 13:23 |
| trmanco | I thought that burring a digg would actually digg it down | Jul 13 13:23 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the digg scorer doesnt quite work right | Jul 13 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | it uses javascript to go to the next number but doesnt verify | Jul 13 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | also digg caches pages | Jul 13 13:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | so one may say 5, the other says 4 | Jul 13 13:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | digg is currently saying 5 for me | Jul 13 13:25 |
| trmanco | 5 here too | Jul 13 13:27 |
| schestowitz | GPL FUD: http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/825/getting-pretty-lonely | Jul 13 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Digg works OK for me now. It uses to time out because of DB load | Jul 13 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Either Digg shrank or scaled up | Jul 13 13:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | scaled up | Jul 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Or lost users | Jul 13 13:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #wikipedia vs #npg - you MUST read Public Domain Art in an Age of Easier Mechanical Reproducibility http://is.gd/1x7MG | Jul 13 13:28 | |
| trmanco | LOL | Jul 13 13:28 |
| trmanco | it's still slow | Jul 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Esp. with comments | Jul 13 13:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | WOAH FUCK | Jul 13 13:28 |
| schestowitz | It needs to go through all your friends for each comment!!!!!!!1 | Jul 13 13:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: thats nasty | Jul 13 13:28 |
| trmanco | I'm really referring to just "the page" loading | Jul 13 13:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | the fsf could actually sue him for slander | Jul 13 13:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and for possibly conspiring to violate fsf's copyright on the GPL text | Jul 13 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Not FSF | Jul 13 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Automattic with SFLC's help or something | Jul 13 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Now Google parks its tanks right outside Microsoft's gates http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2009/jul/12/google-operating-system-microsoft | Jul 13 13:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft is trying to spin google OS as an attack against linux, btw | Jul 13 13:34 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Jul 13 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Enderle just did an article | Jul 13 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Angle: Chrome attacks Apple | Jul 13 13:35 |
| Guest_327 | chrome is based on Linux so is it just another Linux distro ? | Jul 13 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't matter | Jul 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | See what Eric Lai did | Jul 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | They try to create Google hate | Jul 13 13:38 |
| schestowitz | As always | Jul 13 13:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Updegrove's site went bad... http://ping.fm/gxmJD Nothing there now, it was down for like 2 days beforehand (the whole server) | Jul 13 13:38 | |
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| schestowitz | Agony without end for Liberia's child soldiers http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/12/liberia-child-soldiers | Jul 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | " Chavez has cancelled the licenses of over 200 radio stations, almost 40% of the stations in Venezuela, and will require all but foreign channels to interrupt programming to carry his speeches." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-may-aug.html#13%20July%202009%20%28Chavez%20has%20cancelled%20licenses%20of%20radio%20stations%29 | Jul 13 13:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pentagon Report Verified Detainee Torture http://ping.fm/o2YpS | Jul 13 13:59 | |
| Diablo-D3 | 56 to 51 still | Jul 13 14:01 |
| schestowitz | SEC Still Looking into What Apple Board Knew About Jobs' Health < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/sec-still-looking-into-what-apple-board-knew-about-jobs-health/?cs=33971 > | Jul 13 14:07 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no blog posts in ages...? | Jul 13 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Been in France, right? | Jul 13 14:08 |
| tacone | yup | Jul 13 14:09 |
| tacone | back from yest. night | Jul 13 14:09 |
| Guest_327 | oui | Jul 13 14:09 |
| tacone | i noticed carla linked to my old story about gimp in the meantime | Jul 13 14:09 |
| tacone | not much news those days | Jul 13 14:09 |
| tacone | i still have to post my feed back on the ms promise. | Jul 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | LOL "So how is the company doing? Just fine, thanks, though most of the sales are online — about $2 million per year. The recession has had no significant impact yet on Freshjerky sales, according to Gus." http://www.cringely.com/2009/07/freshjerkycom/ | Jul 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, I saw that too in LT | Jul 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | tacone: about the CP, that's what I had in mind. | Jul 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | There's a new site, mono-nono | Jul 13 14:12 |
| tacone | i know but i still have to see that website | Jul 13 14:12 |
| tacone | yep. my response about cp will be pretty positive | Jul 13 14:12 |
| tacone | that site is sloooow | Jul 13 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Was offline yesterday. I think it's run by a regular guy from #bn (but he's on and off now) | Jul 13 14:16 |
| tacone | but very nice theme | Jul 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes, my thoughts too. Original or reused? | Jul 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | [never came across this theme before] | Jul 13 14:16 |
| tacone | pretty nice blog | Jul 13 14:18 |
| tacone | the theme http://digitalnature.ro/projects/arclite | Jul 13 14:18 |
| tacone | subscribing the rss | Jul 13 14:19 |
| tacone | is the author of mono-nono hanging out in this channel ? | Jul 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | "Noyes (noise) again" http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-10-028-35-OS-CY-0000 | Jul 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | The article that calls Linux advocate "lunatics" | Jul 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it's ushib* | Jul 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall his name. Japanese name | Jul 13 14:28 |
| tacone | uh | Jul 13 14:28 |
| tacone | i utsimudoki-orsomethinglikethat | Jul 13 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Quoting "hairyfeet" again... http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-10-028-35-OS-CY-0001 | Jul 13 14:29 |
| schestowitz | The MS press quotes MS astroturfers AFAIK | Jul 13 14:29 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, he went solo. He was good at Mono posts so he must have spun it off | Jul 13 14:30 |
| tacone | possible. i liked his previous posts as much as i like mono-nono | Jul 13 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, JCC | Jul 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jul 13 14:32 |
| wallclimber | good morning | Jul 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it's a good blog. I subscribed and caught up a bit | Jul 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz | He has a good index that he called "factbook" or something | Jul 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz | So it's kept more organised than BN | Jul 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Well,_so far_ anyway | Jul 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz | BN has almost 7000 posts | Jul 13 14:33 |
| wallclimber | what blog? | Jul 13 14:34 |
| yep -> schestowitz: The MS press quotes MS astroturfers AFAIK | Jul 13 14:35 | |
| Guest_327 | "3.The Community Promise will constantly be misrepresented as covering the whole of mono" typo.. | Jul 13 14:35 |
| Guest_327 | be - being | Jul 13 14:35 |
| Guest_327 | or not LOL | Jul 13 14:36 |
| tacone | i subscribed it too | Jul 13 14:36 |
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| Omar87 | Hi there. | Jul 13 14:48 |
| Omar87 | Great article: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26166/1090/ | Jul 13 14:49 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: mono-nono blog | Jul 13 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: notice how Mono fans don't materialise in the comments | Jul 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz | It means they are speechless | Jul 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Because they know about this article and read it | Jul 13 15:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yes Roy, exactly. | Jul 13 15:00 |
| schestowitz | They attacked RMS instead | Jul 13 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Not over Mono | Jul 13 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Over 'sexism' | Jul 13 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Even though RMS is a pro-equal rights movement | Jul 13 15:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Instead, they just keep bragging and yapping about how "Cool and sexy" their language is. | Jul 13 15:01 |
| schestowitz | And if people check deep enough they'll see he's a proponent of women's right | Jul 13 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: their? | Jul 13 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's | Jul 13 15:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, I know. But from the way the talk, they make the naive person think as thought they invented it. | Jul 13 15:02 |
| Ng | they were just reacting to what he said | Jul 13 15:02 |
| Omar87 | they* talk | Jul 13 15:02 |
| Ng | whoever thought getting RMS to speak at GCDS was a good idea, is an idiot clearly ;) | Jul 13 15:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Carphone Warehouse sent me spam to do blog spam. I suggest you boycott them in every regard. http://is.gd/1xcW4 please forward around. | Jul 13 15:05 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Those Mono/C#-o-holics keep proving what I keep saying, that giving a developer or even an engineer the chance to decide what the future of a certain product/technology or even a movement/community is merely a quick recipe for disaster. | Jul 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: they aped it | Jul 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Aped... like a monkey (mono) | Jul 13 15:06 |
| Ng | erm, most of the people criticising RMS are not mono developers | Jul 13 15:07 |
| Ng | it was pretty much all of the gnome hackers, who are typically C oriented | Jul 13 15:07 |
| Guest_327 | im sure alot of developers/engineers would disagree with you. | Jul 13 15:07 |
| Ng | not everything that you don't like can be written off as mono fanboying ;) | Jul 13 15:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: CORRECTION: "the chance to decide what the future of a certain product/technology or even a movement/community *should look like* is merely a quick recipe for disaster." | Jul 13 15:08 |
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| Ng | Omar87: how do you explain free software then, it's almost entirely the result of developers/engineers and not product designers, product managers, marketing departments or otherwise non-developer input | Jul 13 15:08 |
| Guest_327 | who should decide then ?? managers ? | Jul 13 15:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard Carphone Warehouse sent me spam to do blog spam. I suggest you boycott them in every regard. http://is.gd/1xcW4 | Jul 13 15:09 | |
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| Omar87 | Ng: Yes, but RMS for example, other than being an intelligent programmer/hacker, he's also an activist who knows much more than just how to code. He also learned how to protect that code. | Jul 13 15:12 |
| Ng | Omar87: he also hasn't produced any significantly useful code in about a decade ;) | Jul 13 15:12 |
| Omar87 | Ng: Exactly. He's more concerned about the freedom of the code than the code itself. | Jul 13 15:13 |
| Ng | and he has basically no influence on any software development as a result ;) | Jul 13 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: be careful there | Jul 13 15:13 |
| schestowitz | it's the Mono people's trap | Jul 13 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Trying to dismiss RMS' advice | Jul 13 15:14 |
| schestowitz | There are Mono proponents in this IRC channel | Jul 13 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Guest_327, Ng, cj etc. | Jul 13 15:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm not trying to dismiss his advice. | Jul 13 15:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm appreciating it. | Jul 13 15:14 |
| Ng | I'm not really a mono proponent, I don't particularly like C# as a language, but I do like the applications people have built with it for the linux desktop and I think the concerns about it are somewhat overblown | Jul 13 15:15 |
| Ng | if you decide htat everything I say is some kind of trap you're not going to properly debate your ideas and they will be weaker :) | Jul 13 15:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : you should also contact the European Commission. They (Carphone Warehouse) break the law (passed a year ago). | Jul 13 15:18 | |
| Ng | I also happen to think that RMS provided some good code a long time ago, and an excellent licence, but is not hugely relevant anymore. he seems to refuse to stick with the wider developments of the tech world and has been giving the same tired speech for about 15 years | Jul 13 15:18 |
| Ng | e.g. anyone who refuses to use a web browser is quite clearly a luddite ;) | Jul 13 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Grokaw links to "There may be a third Mono application in Ubuntu" | Jul 13 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw is against Mono | Jul 13 15:19 |
| The author of this blog really gets chewed up in comments. http://np237.livejournal.com/24790.html | Jul 13 15:21 | |
| Ng | schestowitz: banshee, presumably | Jul 13 15:21 |
| Omar87 | Ng: The point is, we are don't nothing more from the past. M$'s is not, never was, and never will be a friend to anyone or anything, including FLOSS. | Jul 13 15:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2009/06/the_future_of_n.html#comments | Jul 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Attempts to kill the Internet | Jul 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | They view a business and profit as a privilege | Jul 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | No competition | Jul 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Ng: Banshee uses the 'encumbered' bits of Mono | Jul 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Just shows what Novell gets us all into | Jul 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: unless it benefits from it | Jul 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Even partners... eventually Microsoft screws all of them | Jul 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | History shows | Jul 13 15:26 |
| Omar87 | Ng: CORRECTION -> "The point is, we are don't nothing more *than learning* from the past. M$'s is not, never was, and never will be a friend to anyone or anything, including FLOSS." | Jul 13 15:26 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Exactly. | Jul 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Hubert (of gnote): "Your understanding of the GPL licensing is incorrect and your analysis wrong." | Jul 13 15:27 |
| Ng | schestowitz: it uses some ADO.Net interfaces, which the banshee developers say are not particularly necessary "so changing Hyena.Data.Sqlite to use a new or | Jul 13 15:27 |
| Ng | extracted SQLite binding/interface will not be difficult" | Jul 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz | np237 is an angry Debian dev BTW | Jul 13 15:27 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Just like Mafia. Once you're no longer doing them any good anymore, you're a dead man walking. :) | Jul 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Cisco, Apple, MTV and the list goes on and on.. | Jul 13 15:28 |
| Guest_327 | which one of those are dead ? | Jul 13 15:29 |
| Omar87 | Guest_327: Don't take thing literally. | Jul 13 15:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz ooh! reference link? | Jul 13 15:31 | |
| Omar87 | things* | Jul 13 15:31 |
| Omar87 | Guest_327: "you're a dead man walking." = "They simply dump you like a piece of rubbish." | Jul 13 15:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1361968.ece | Jul 13 15:36 | |
| wallclimber | it's funny, whenever tech forums and comment areas begin to heat up with troll-rants I always wonder what's going on elsewhere (wasn't silverlight 3 released a few days ago?). For instance, I've read more anti-Ubuntu comments lately than ever before (even here on BN). Ubuntu seems to be the latest battleground, and it doesn't look to be easing up any time soon. In fact, I look for it to get progressively worse over the next 3 mo | Jul 13 15:37 |
| wallclimber | nths. Because MS is due to release WinVista 7 in October, which is, oddly enough (heh) when Karmic is also due out. | Jul 13 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Jul 13 15:42 |
| schestowitz | I remarked on the timing | Jul 13 15:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Got to love Crimperman's #Debian dog in #bzrcath at #fsmag http://fsmsh.com/3178. #freesoftware. A must read. | Jul 13 15:42 | |
| schestowitz | They did the same thing in April | Jul 13 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Glyn Moody wrote about it | Jul 13 15:42 |
| wallclimber | i remember that | Jul 13 15:42 |
| schestowitz | David Gerard did a sarcastic piece on the timing after i wrote about it | Jul 13 15:42 |
| axord | The only anti-Ubuntu comments I've seen seems to come from Linux users who don't like the the community being filled with noobs | Jul 13 15:43 |
| Has anyone seen any real proof of Lefty's sexist smear of RMS? | Jul 13 15:43 | |
| I could find no transcripts or videos at the time. | Jul 13 15:43 | |
| wallclimber | well, i have a theory that a lot of the noisy noobs on Ubu forums are fake | Jul 13 15:43 |
| Lefty is not a noob, he's a programmer for a non free software company. | Jul 13 15:44 | |
| Though I can't say for sure what OS he actually uses. Roy has said he uses Mac to visit here. | Jul 13 15:44 | |
| wallclimber | hi twitter, i think we're getting our conversations mixed up | Jul 13 15:44 |
| axord | Heh | Jul 13 15:44 |
| wallclimber | i should prolly get back to work, bye for now | Jul 13 15:45 |
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| I have to go that way myself. | Jul 13 15:45 | |
| Just thought I'd ask about Lefty's smear. Right now it's an allegation and should be treated that way, shestowitz. | Jul 13 15:46 | |
| the apology given to Lefty inadvertently backs his attack by presenting it as a fact rather than an accusation. That's a pretty basic mistake that should be corrected unless good proof is offered. | Jul 13 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.learningubuntu.com/articles/how-completely-remove-mono-ubuntu | Jul 13 15:48 |
| ah, there you are, Roy. I was just about to go. | Jul 13 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | I'm catching up with GL | Jul 13 15:49 |
| Lefty's attack on RMS is quite in line with his attacks on BN. He focuses on small things which he blows out of proportion and misses the big point. | Jul 13 15:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] How to Completely Remove Mono on Ubuntu :http://is.gd/1xfs7 | Jul 13 15:50 | |
| amarsh04 | I'm surprised that someone else didn't catch unxis.ch before me schestowitz | Jul 13 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw still links to us | Jul 13 15:50 |
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| No one, least of all RMS, is going to say that sexism is good. | Jul 13 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: just don't attack Ubuntu | Jul 13 15:50 |
| _Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Jul 13 15:50 |
| schestowitz | It's a friend | Jul 13 15:50 |
| _Hicham_ | don't attack Ubuntu | Jul 13 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Mono and the Microsoft culture it has is the issue | Jul 13 15:50 |
| _Hicham_ | they are linux after all | Jul 13 15:50 |
| trmanco | I'm not attacking ubuntu | Jul 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: you found it? | Jul 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz | I reckoned someone told PJ by mail/comments | Jul 13 15:51 |
| amarsh04 | my comment, schestowitz | Jul 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz | twitter: see the mono-nono rebuttal | Jul 13 15:51 |
| amarsh04 | in the same article | Jul 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/13/some-other-sane-views-on-rms/ | Jul 13 15:51 |
| schestowitz | "So now that we have Stallman painted with the “sexist” brush, I see some people casting glances to the “Death Threat Crazy” and “Nazi” brushes." | Jul 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz | "Let me clear: I wasn’t at the conference, and I don’t know exactly what Stallman said. It is possible he made an inappropriate remark. Some reasonable people say it was a joke gone bad; stuff like that happens.But, even if it were an honest-to-good malicious sexist remark (unlikely considering Stallman has a long record of supporting women’s rights in his writings and interviews), the character assassination has been totally | Jul 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz | disproportionate to the event." | Jul 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: update? | Jul 13 15:52 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: some people attack Ubuntu | Jul 13 15:52 |
| Character assassination it is. | Jul 13 15:52 | |
| schestowitz | Like saying, "I won't recommend it to anyone | Jul 13 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I saw HeliOS (Ken) saying something like that | Jul 13 15:53 |
| amarsh04 | yes, PJ added the update after I found the registration and googled the registrant's name | Jul 13 15:53 |
| Best to call it an allegation when apologizing to that Lefty troll. | Jul 13 15:53 | |
| axord | That's not an attack, just lack of endorsement, right? | Jul 13 15:53 |
| Because, really, Lefty launched that smear. | Jul 13 15:54 | |
| launched it by publishing private emails, which largely exonerate RMS. | Jul 13 15:55 | |
| schestowitz | Matthew Garrett comments in http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/13/some-other-sane-views-on-rms/comment-page-1/#comment-106 | Jul 13 15:55 |
| well, gotta go. | Jul 13 15:55 | |
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| schestowitz | See his comment | Jul 13 15:56 |
| amarsh04 | btw schestowitz, thanks for the links on boycottnovell.com to the gnome/freedesktop.org/kde developer conference... unfortunately many people don't find joint development efforts newsworthy | Jul 13 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Yes, that was really, really weird | Jul 13 15:58 |
| schestowitz | The only sites to cover this were: 1) KDE; 2) Linux Mag Pro | Jul 13 15:58 |
| schestowitz | *Pro Mag | Jul 13 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Had it been a Microsoft event Microsoft would distribute schwag and pay for reports' flight tickets, as usual | Jul 13 15:59 |
| schestowitz | I.e. BOUGHT coverage | Jul 13 15:59 |
| schestowitz | AMD did the same BTW | Jul 13 15:59 |
| amarsh04 | I'm surprised that linuxtoday.com didn't cover it... | Jul 13 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Yeah.... | Jul 13 16:03 |
| schestowitz | I hadn't noticed till now | Jul 13 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Carla doesn't read The Dot (kde.org) | Jul 13 16:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.alnyethelawyerguy.com/al_nye_the_lawyer_guy/2009/06/35-valuable-articles-for-lawyers-to-read-about-twitter.html | Jul 13 16:04 |
| amarsh04 | I might go to kde.org, get a URL and submit it to Carla | Jul 13 16:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101964 | Jul 13 16:05 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: worth it1 | Jul 13 16:05 |
| schestowitz | This is very tactless... selling kids to empire of DRM http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/maine_schools_order_up_71k_macbooks/ | Jul 13 16:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawyers cartoon: http://ping.fm/nKQfW | Jul 13 16:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/27/michael-jackson-steve-jobs-and-apples-share-price/ "# The flood of searches on Jackson’s name just before 3 p.m. PDT (6 p.m. EDT) was so abrupt and intense that at first Google thought it was under attack." | Jul 13 16:10 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, done | Jul 13 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Tweeting, Texting, Googling Banned for Mich. Jurors < http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202431948755&Tweeting_Texting_Googling_Banned_for_Mich_Jurors > | Jul 13 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I see that Pj has been giving Ubuntu a hard time this month | Jul 13 16:20 |
| schestowitz | This is good: "Wu said he was concerned that if Drew was found guilty of violating the terms of service in using MySpace, anyone who violated the terms could be convicted of a crime." http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/myspace-sentencing.html | Jul 13 16:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/drew_court/ (Judge Acquits Lori Drew in Cyberbullying Case, Overrules Jury( | Jul 13 16:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Big Brother potentially exists right now in our PCs, compliments of Intel's vPro" http://ping.fm/bulgx Don't buy Intel | Jul 13 16:32 | |
| schestowitz | OSI wrote my name as "Shestowitz" | Jul 13 16:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : There is actually a better link to a more recent article about the Commission ushering a law around June | Jul 13 16:43 | |
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| schestowitz | Could Microsoft be behind this? http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3827576 | Jul 13 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | "Six former Sky Capital LLC executives and brokers were indicted by a federal grand jury in what prosecutors said was a $140 million stock fraud. " < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=atpurSsu41XI > | Jul 13 17:10 |
| Guest_327 | baby Madoffs | Jul 13 17:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/health/10flu.html | Jul 13 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Guest_327: wait until the big one comes | Jul 13 17:13 |
| Guest_327 | bigger than madoff ?? i hope not :D | Jul 13 17:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | madoff is a special case | Jul 13 17:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kenpiercebooks.com/images/mad50s.jpg | Jul 13 17:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | he never committed stock fraud technically | Jul 13 17:15 |
| schestowitz | http://obeygiant.com/images/2008/10/hopeless_poster.jpg | Jul 13 17:15 |
| Guest_327 | no thats right, well he did in telling his "clients" he was investing in stocks and issues receipts for the trades that did not occur | Jul 13 17:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup | Jul 13 17:16 |
| Guest_327 | from the famous 17'th floor | Jul 13 17:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | the SEC could have still busted his ass though | Jul 13 17:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they didnt | Jul 13 17:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | because they're fags | Jul 13 17:16 |
| Guest_327 | and they knew about him years before as well, he was to have no more than 13 clients otherwise he had to be registered, he had over 3000 | Jul 13 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | also | Jul 13 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck yeah my stocks are going back up | Jul 13 17:17 |
| Guest_327 | i am reading a controversial article by ESR about RACE and intelligence and crime. I dont like what he's saying for sure. | Jul 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: watch language, please | Jul 13 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090709/1907055504.shtml | Jul 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Phew | Jul 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing I wrote "said to have closed" | Jul 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Cause I suspected it was not correct and my gut feeling was right | Jul 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Peer-To-Patent Has NOT Shut Down http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 | Jul 13 17:26 |
| Guest_327 | Trouble with that system is peer reviews are supposed to be done by your peers, not by some government body that are NOT peers, and have a different adgenda | Jul 13 17:27 |
| schestowitz | groklaw has just front-pages homer's analysis of CP | Jul 13 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Ha! http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/technology/2009/7/11/rosetta_stone_files_trademark_lawsuit_against.htm | Jul 13 17:35 |
| schestowitz | http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2009/07/paris-hilton-takes-the-stand.html | Jul 13 17:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ex-Murdoch editor Andrew Neil: News of the World revelations one of most significant media stories of our time http://ping.fm/iRsml | Jul 13 17:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Philips is a big foe of Free(dom) software because of s/w patents lobbying. Here is another nasty: http://ping.fm/dztF8 | Jul 13 17:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Brave New World of Infant DNA Data-Basing http://bit.ly/w9WnZ | Jul 13 17:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hats off to Fry. He promotes GNU and slams the copyright cartel now too: http://ping.fm/1L0jm | Jul 13 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS gets a second look by Gruber < http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/07/10/chrome-os-gets-a-second-look-by-gruber/ > What is known about Gruber? Never heard of him/them.... | Jul 13 18:03 |
| schestowitz | The Google OS surfaced in March--or did it? http://news.cnet.com/8301-19882_3-10284282-250.html | Jul 13 18:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #mocknblock Fresno Deputy DA @BobWhalen is a candidate for the 29th Assembly District. And a Twitter spammer. Campaign against him. | Jul 13 18:09 | |
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| schestowitz | wallclimber: I'll probably do the next exhibit tomorrow | Jul 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Space 'em up if you know what I mean. | Jul 13 18:10 |
| wallclimber | sounds great! what's next to do (for me)? | Jul 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I do this because Carla sometimes pick us for front page | Jul 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | E.g. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-12-006-35-NW-LL | Jul 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Too many too fast = lapsing | Jul 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-12-006-35-NW-LL-0000 | Jul 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | "It is interesting to note that when it was made in the courts, Groklaw also indicated that the Bilski decision would have a profound effect on software patents, sooner or later; and if I remember correctly (correct me please if I am wrong) the take was that the Bilski decision would invalidate large numbers of them. I guess this is the next step where courts begin to actually apply the Bilski principles." | Jul 13 18:13 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=95fbb9c8e3055db44dc854c5234c0481ec86868b | Jul 13 18:16 |
| schestowitz | "In any case, get it while you can. I'm sure the Disney lawyers will shut it down first thing tomorrow morning. " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-12-001-35-OS-RL-0004 | Jul 13 18:17 |
| wallclimber | Bilski's helped a lot, but I'd bet there's still a long road full of patent trolls ahead - did you see this? http://www.good.is/post/the-patent-troll/ | Jul 13 18:18 |
| wallclimber | The guy predicts that someday patents and "IP" will be traded like commodities | Jul 13 18:21 |
| wallclimber | bought and sold | Jul 13 18:21 |
| wallclimber | on the market | Jul 13 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | wallclimber: yes, there are two types of Bilski trolls | Jul 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | The patent trolls with crappy patents | Jul 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | And trolls of those who love sw patents | Jul 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Including the AstroTurfers of MS who target this issue in BN comments | Jul 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | 100 Essential Skills for Geeks < http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/07/100-basic-geek-skills-for-geeks/ > | Jul 13 18:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | that url totally doesnt match the title | Jul 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I saw the patent troll article in Groklaw an hour ago | Jul 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: good is the "post" | Jul 13 18:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.good.is/post/on/bad/the-patent-troll/ | Jul 13 18:23 |
| wallclimber | sorry oops | Jul 13 18:23 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 13 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | wallclimber: that's Myhrvold's foresight | Jul 13 18:24 |
| schestowitz | "Intellectual property is the next software." -->Nathan Myhrvold | Jul 13 18:24 |
| schestowitz | It's from here: http://www.newsweek.com/id/55777/page/2 | Jul 13 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Meh. Why play audio from bash? http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/07/complete-shell-audio-player-for-linux.html | Jul 13 18:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | whahahahaha | Jul 13 18:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | does it just wrap sox or what? | Jul 13 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/193/installing-firefox-3-5-in-ubuntu-the-easy-way | Jul 13 18:27 |
| wallclimber | Hmmm...Myhrvold and Jung accuse everybody else of "stealing" - what a hoot | Jul 13 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I thought Jung died over 100 years ago | Jul 13 18:29 |
| wallclimber | lol...softies never die, they just slow down and need rebooting | Jul 13 18:30 |
| Guest_327 | they just lose all their bits | Jul 13 18:30 |
| wallclimber | their memories leak | Jul 13 18:30 |
| Guest_327 | not just memories ~ | Jul 13 18:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wells Fargo bank sues itself. This is not a joke, they actually have. http://is.gd/1xnzG | Jul 13 18:31 | |
| Diablo-D3 | not news | Jul 13 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Some people disparage Ubuntu publicly now | Jul 13 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Even PJ | Jul 13 18:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, I disparage ubuntu publically | Jul 13 18:33 |
| schestowitz | This is not good because it plays into MS' ahnds | Jul 13 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | use debian or gtfo | Jul 13 18:33 |
| wallclimber | i've noticed | Jul 13 18:33 |
| schestowitz | They need to target Mono and keep Ubuntu unrest under wraps | Jul 13 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is also trying to have NIXers attack Google over Chrome | Jul 13 18:33 |
| schestowitz | I've just found Yankee and Gartner doing it | Jul 13 18:33 |
| wallclimber | i think it's all aimed at making Ubu less appealing | Jul 13 18:33 |
| schestowitz | And Enderle | Jul 13 18:34 |
| Guest_327 | there was alot of Ubuntu targetting here too | Jul 13 18:34 |
| wallclimber | i have mixed feelings about it | Jul 13 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Enderle inciated apple fans vs Chrome and Google | Jul 13 18:34 |
| schestowitz | it's like they divide role | Jul 13 18:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder if people realize apple "wrote" half of chrome | Jul 13 18:34 |
| schestowitz | "DiDiot, you take the Apple fans... Roberle, you'll use the Jobs cult to attack Google" | Jul 13 18:34 |
| Guest_327 | and torvalds the rest | Jul 13 18:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | safari and chrome are both webkit browsers | Jul 13 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Tsu tactics | Jul 13 18:34 |
| schestowitz | MS' main philosopher | Jul 13 18:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ooooh, so people other than me have read the art of war? | Jul 13 18:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're at a disadvantage however | Jul 13 18:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | they havent read the seven habits of highly effective pirates | Jul 13 18:35 |
| Guest_327 | or the list of 100 things geeks need to know | Jul 13 18:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, its the best set of rules ever | Jul 13 18:37 |
| Guest_327 | especially the one about stopping computing long enough to get laid. | Jul 13 18:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | "There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.'" | Jul 13 18:38 |
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| Guest_327 | "They’ve helped obfuscate the confusion by creating the security zones" I wish I could be a blogger and write as crappy as that !! "obvfuscate the confustion" :D | Jul 13 18:50 |
| tacone | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/153/ "Remember, kids, competition drives innovation!" -- as long as it's not gnote. | Jul 13 18:51 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Guest_327: actually, thats a pretty good description | Jul 13 18:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its cryptochaos | Jul 13 18:54 |
| Guest_327 | its something for sure :) | Jul 13 18:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a bullshit storm | Jul 13 18:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its heading our way! | Jul 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | '@jwildeboer And here I naively thought that MCSE stood for "Must Consult Someone Experienced" ;)' http://identi.ca/notice/6402605 | Jul 13 18:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | lolol | Jul 13 18:59 |
| tessier_ | Doesn't it? | Jul 13 19:04 |
| tessier_ | Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert? | Jul 13 19:04 |
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| tessier_ | Symnian open sourcing their OS? Interesting... | Jul 13 19:06 |
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| wallclimber | must go...work tasks looming - Roy, shoot me an email (hey, no PONIES, please :) when there's more Comes v. MS work to do | Jul 13 19:10 |
| wallclimber | talk later :) | Jul 13 19:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Hi all...Linuxoulaws live broadcast virgin here! (linuxoutlaws live > http://ustre.am/1qHw) | Jul 13 19:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Do not use FTP to transfer files. I have been saying it for years. http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/13/142210 | Jul 13 19:21 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: yes, first deliverable due for Symbian | Jul 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz | But Nokia moves to Linux too, maybe even Android | Jul 13 19:24 |
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| _Goblin | They are going to be chatting live on Linuxoutlaws about Mono later... | Jul 13 19:28 |
| _Goblin | currently broadcasting on: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linuxoutlaws | Jul 13 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Let me know when it's online as Ogg | Jul 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I'd listen to it | Jul 13 19:36 |
| Guest_327 | huge viewer audance of 39 right now. | Jul 13 19:37 |
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| _Goblin | yeah I saw... | Jul 13 19:39 |
| _Goblin | I'm sure the podcast gets many downloads...monday night maybe is a bad time. | Jul 13 19:39 |
| _Goblin | and Roy, sure! | Jul 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I listened to them before | Jul 13 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Nice folks | Jul 13 19:40 |
| _Goblin | agreed. | Jul 13 19:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm always in their IRC channel | Jul 13 19:40 |
| Guest_327 | its quite boring :) | Jul 13 19:40 |
| _Goblin | I don't think so. | Jul 13 19:40 |
| _Goblin | shows how hard I've been working this week...didnt know #!CBL 9.04.1 had been released. | Jul 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | #!CBL hehe. | Jul 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo! could take off with an exclamation mark, so I guess with a name like !Crunchbang there's room for market disruption | Jul 13 19:45 |
| _Goblin | I have that on one of my rigs at the moment...havent used it much (8.10.2) | Jul 13 19:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Saves Windows from Itself http://ping.fm/cuXNh | Jul 13 19:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Myths Drop Like Flies (It's Cheaper, Better, Easier) http://ping.fm/u6Bec http://ping.fm/u2Hl4 | Jul 13 19:52 | |
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| antoniocheltenha | hey guys | Jul 13 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 13 20:00 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Jul 13 20:00 |
| antoniocheltenha | having an exchange issue for 2 weeks now that i cant see to find anthing on it | Jul 13 20:00 |
| antoniocheltenha | i have a pdc and a exchange server on a network | Jul 13 20:00 |
| antoniocheltenha | my users are created as a rule on the pdc and it will replicate to the other DCs | Jul 13 20:01 |
| antoniocheltenha | but when i add a user with the exchange attributes | Jul 13 20:01 |
| antoniocheltenha | the recipient policy is not updating | Jul 13 20:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nvidia ION and Linux Play Nice http://ping.fm/M8DNW | Jul 13 20:02 | |
| antoniocheltenha | any ideas | Jul 13 20:02 |
| antoniocheltenha | i check my replication and trust | Jul 13 20:03 |
| antoniocheltenha | everything else is working except the email attributes | Jul 13 20:03 |
| _Goblin | record views on my blog today 717 and counting.... | Jul 13 20:08 |
| _Goblin | I think thats thanks to the link from Distrowatch to my review of Wolvix. | Jul 13 20:08 |
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| jono | hi all | Jul 13 20:15 |
| _Goblin | hi | Jul 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Hi, jono | Jul 13 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | antoniocheltenha: why exchange? | Jul 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Rather, why ask here? | Jul 13 20:17 |
| Guest_327 | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linuxoutlaws discussing mono now | Jul 13 20:18 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yeah, I was just linking to DWW | Jul 13 20:18 |
| antoniocheltenha | cause i thought this was a microsoft channel also | Jul 13 20:18 |
| jono | hey schestowitz | Jul 13 20:18 |
| _Goblin | mono being discussed on Linux outlaws... | Jul 13 20:19 |
| tacone | i don't have the goodwill to download that episode | Jul 13 20:20 |
| tacone | i know what they'll tell | Jul 13 20:21 |
| tacone | they'll tell that 'see ? the cp has come, we pro-mono were right' | Jul 13 20:21 |
| tacone tessier tessier_ thenixedreport ThistleWeb trmanco | Jul 13 20:22 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: I can imagine... | Jul 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Fabs doesn't have a problem with Mono | Jul 13 20:22 |
| _Goblin | I think though that their hearts are in the right place. | Jul 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | But they are learning and they also pay respect to BN | Jul 13 20:22 |
| _Goblin | I certainly don't think there is anything deceptive about what they say. | Jul 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | RMS and FSF/SFLC changed the situation | Jul 13 20:22 |
| tacone | fabsh has the right to not have probs with mono. but it marks the opposition as loosers | Jul 13 20:22 |
| schestowitz | The Mono proponents used to claim RMS was in their favour | Jul 13 20:22 |
| _Goblin | I'm not sure, they are always the first to admit when they get things wrong.... | Jul 13 20:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone: he curses too much | Jul 13 20:23 |
| tacone | schestowitz: yeah. then the knives came out | Jul 13 20:23 |
| tacone | schestowitz: he's german, how do you expect him not to curse ? | Jul 13 20:23 |
| _Goblin | they are both quite modest...and genuine I think..Having said that, I used to think Joe Wilcox was honest. | Jul 13 20:24 |
| _Goblin | doh | Jul 13 20:24 |
| Guest_327 | there you go, all that for nothing !!! LOL | Jul 13 20:24 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: look at his Jupiter days | Jul 13 20:25 |
| tacone | yes they are honest | Jul 13 20:25 |
| tacone | mono supporters are very desperate getting their language supported | Jul 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | They "Sell out" for cash | Jul 13 20:25 |
| tacone | as very few people use it. | Jul 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | tacone: not "theirs" | Jul 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft's" | Jul 13 20:25 |
| schestowitz | That's what so hilarious about it | Jul 13 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Whose side are they on? | Jul 13 20:26 |
| tacone | the sexism campaign is coward | Jul 13 20:26 |
| tacone | so coward. | Jul 13 20:26 |
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| tacone tessier tessier_ thenixedreport ThistleWeb trmanco | Jul 13 20:29 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: wait until they find out RMS easts babies | Jul 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | *eats | Jul 13 20:29 |
| tacone | i still hope he doesn't reproduce :P | Jul 13 20:29 |
| tacone | (joking) | Jul 13 20:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNOME and KDE Artwork News http://ping.fm/clA3f http://ping.fm/d9fj5 | Jul 13 20:30 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: he does | Jul 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | GNU project | Jul 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | His child | Jul 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | And it spreads | Jul 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Like a "Cancer" | Jul 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Says Ballmer | Jul 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Linus liked it | Jul 13 20:30 |
| schestowitz | He said something like... | Jul 13 20:31 |
| schestowitz | "It means it's spreading (Linux" | Jul 13 20:31 |
| tacone | yeah, that private announce | Jul 13 20:31 |
| Guest_327 | /leave | Jul 13 20:31 |
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| _Goblin | lol...Linux - Hannah Montana edition....(its KUBUNTU with a Hannah Montanna backdrop)...just been talked about on Outlaws..... | Jul 13 20:37 |
| _Goblin | I think its on Linuxtracker.org | Jul 13 20:37 |
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| _Goblin | maybe Linux does have too many distros... | Jul 13 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes | Jul 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned it earlier | Jul 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It was in LT | Jul 13 20:41 |
| _Goblin | ah | Jul 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | There are many Windows images too | Jul 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | New applications/theme != new distro | Jul 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | It's more of a spin | Jul 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Let me know when a distro forks X or Linux | Jul 13 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Many Ubuntu derivatives are just Ubuntu... with... stuff! | Jul 13 20:42 |
| trmanco | anybody interested in making a bn xmpp muc channel? | Jul 13 20:42 |
| _Goblin | roy: or just "without" stuff... | Jul 13 20:43 |
| _Goblin | You know what they say "Once you try slack, you never go back" | Jul 13 20:43 |
| trmanco | haha | Jul 13 20:43 |
| trmanco | _Goblin, uses slackware? | Jul 13 20:43 |
| _Goblin | yep | Jul 13 20:43 |
| trmanco | hmm | Jul 13 20:44 |
| trmanco | kde is default right? | Jul 13 20:44 |
| *akira42 is a slackware user, too | Jul 13 20:44 | |
| akira42 | :) | Jul 13 20:44 |
| _Goblin | I use a slackware derived distro.....Xfce is the DE. | Jul 13 20:44 |
| _Goblin | Ive never warmed to KDE | Jul 13 20:44 |
| akira42 | trmanco: as I remember, you can choose the window manager on installation | Jul 13 20:44 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Jul 13 20:44 |
| trmanco | great | Jul 13 20:45 |
| _Goblin | far too Vistaesque for my liking... | Jul 13 20:45 |
| _Goblin | KDE that is... | Jul 13 20:45 |
| trmanco | I also hear that the distro is all built with one human brain :-P | Jul 13 20:45 |
| akira42 | I use ratpoison as my main wm, but it isn't in the options there :/ | Jul 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: sounds like some romantica Cubana story applies to Slack | Jul 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | *plied | Jul 13 20:45 |
| _Goblin | having said that, the family uses Mandriva KDE | Jul 13 20:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Computer Games 0 A.D. Becomes Free Software (GPL) http://ping.fm/pYYkm | Jul 13 20:46 | |
| _Goblin | btw the saying is not mine....I cant remember where I read it....possibly Linux Format Magazine... | Jul 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | "One you let a Latin love..." | Jul 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I think it's how the saying goes | Jul 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | But there are many | Jul 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Never mind., | Jul 13 20:46 |
| _Goblin | Linux outlaws is about to finish....Roy, Ill keep an eye out for the OGG podcast. | Jul 13 20:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New GNU/Linux Game Comes from Warcraft 3 Mod http://ping.fm/YtyGA | Jul 13 20:49 | |
| _Goblin | talking of Linux games....Eternal Lands has progressed very well since I last took a look at it.... | Jul 13 20:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Warzone 2100 on GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/lV9Lt | Jul 13 20:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Five Very Light GNU/Linux Distributions http://ping.fm/mTwut | Jul 13 20:56 | |
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| _Goblin | Interesting link Roy... | Jul 13 20:59 |
| _Goblin | although I am miffed that NimbleX is not mentioned, very small, very impressive. | Jul 13 21:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New GNU/Linux Distribution Called After Nietzsche http://ping.fm/igTca | Jul 13 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yeah, incomplete | Jul 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | But Jun makes good posts | Jul 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Well studied | Jul 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | He follows BN BTW :-) Voted us a top Linux site | Jul 13 21:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Derivative Linux Mint 7 Gets 9 Out of 10 http://ping.fm/ihRGA | Jul 13 21:03 | |
| schestowitz | You know which distro went eerily quiet? | Jul 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Sabayon | Jul 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | They lost momentum | Jul 13 21:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Interview with Ubuntu Icon Jono Bacon http://ping.fm/Dieaj | Jul 13 21:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of the Latest CrunchBang GNU/Linux (9.04.01) http://ping.fm/HC9K0 | Jul 13 21:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] PocketSurfer3 is Powered by Linux http://ping.fm/3QFlX | Jul 13 21:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Device Makers Feel Jealous of Linux Success http://ping.fm/qUaa9 | Jul 13 21:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NCP Adds GNU/Linux Support http://ping.fm/hF5kF | Jul 13 21:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sony Ericsson Creates New User Interface for Linux Phones http://ping.fm/dHTJZ | Jul 13 21:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Empowers Small Companies in Sub-notebooks/Tablet Race http://ping.fm/8CCP2 | Jul 13 21:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Sub-notebook with GNU/Linux launched by H-P http://ping.fm/aM7zp | Jul 13 21:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Sub-notebooks Now Selling for $129.95 (!!) in the United States http://ping.fm/yITOS | Jul 13 21:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] VLC 1.0.0 Released http://ping.fm/fslqv | Jul 13 21:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] U.S. Postal Office Migrates to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/sL0Y8 | Jul 13 21:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] oogle Releases Free Software (NX Server) http://ping.fm/b5xWt | Jul 13 21:33 | |
| trmanco | wow | Jul 13 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Vista? | Jul 13 21:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software as Employability Booster http://ping.fm/VFxxW | Jul 13 21:36 | |
| trmanco | no | Jul 13 21:36 |
| trmanco | all you dents :-P | Jul 13 21:36 |
| trmanco | haha | Jul 13 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Usability Lab for Free Software and GNU/Linux Too http://ping.fm/JvicU | Jul 13 21:37 | |
| trmanco | oogle <- | Jul 13 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I'm not following | Jul 13 21:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Unix Operating Systems That Compete with GNU/Linux at Risk http://ping.fm/ZDy05 | Jul 13 21:53 | |
| trmanco | I wow'ed at all those dents you posted | Jul 13 21:59 |
| trmanco | then laughed at you typo | Jul 13 21:59 |
| trmanco | [schestowitz] oogle Releases Free Software (NX Server) http://ping.fm/b5xWt | Jul 13 21:59 |
| trmanco | your* | Jul 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Jul 13 22:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Couple More GNU/Linux Companies Receive Millions in Funding http://ping.fm/QL5x6 | Jul 13 22:00 | |
| trmanco | :-p | Jul 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm still catching up with older news. | Jul 13 22:00 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Compromise of Privacy Signals Greater Need for Free(dom) Software http://ping.fm/2LdVv | Jul 13 22:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Artificial Scarcity Fails http://ping.fm/PoCEA | Jul 13 22:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] All Newspapers Plagiarise and 'Steal' Stories http://ping.fm/GTH7U | Jul 13 22:29 | |
| tessier_ | Oracle may kill Solaris...but that's just speculation. If anything I bet the market will kill Solaris, not Oracle. | Jul 13 22:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The War Against USENET Comes from AT&T Now http://ping.fm/ewj7M http://ping.fm/FIVi5 | Jul 13 22:31 | |
| schestowitz | If Oracle gives it no boost, then yes | Jul 13 22:31 |
| tessier_ | USENET was killed by trolls and spam years ago. I can shed no tears for it. | Jul 13 22:31 |
| tessier_ | I do have fond memories though. | Jul 13 22:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The MAFIAA Tries to 'Gag' Professor Critical of It http://ping.fm/MXptN http://ping.fm/qpfgL | Jul 13 22:33 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: filters mend it | Jul 13 22:33 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: The best contributors have moved on to other things. Now it is all blogs, web forums, and mailing lists. | Jul 13 22:36 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: If you filter out the crap on usenet there is not much left. | Jul 13 22:36 |
| tessier_ | http://blogs.computerworld.com/is_oracle_getting_ready_to_kill_opensolaris#comment-149676 | Jul 13 22:37 |
| tessier_ | That is an interesting comment. Oracle flat out says that Linux is their preferred deployment platform. | Jul 13 22:37 |
| tessier_ | Then this guy says Solaris for one of the platforms that works really really well in large Oracle environments. | Jul 13 22:38 |
| oiaohm | Oracle has a look of Linux kernel impovements under way. | Jul 13 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Its a little hard for Oracle to change path just to save Solaris. | Jul 13 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Big one is tmem. That is altered Linux kernel memory management to be hybervisor aware. | Jul 13 22:40 |
| oiaohm | look/lot | Jul 13 22:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The BSA Lies in New Propaganda That Wrongly Calls People Criminals http://ping.fm/2GneW | Jul 13 22:41 | |
| oiaohm | Unlikely that Oracle will kill Solaris as a planed action. It has been a good OS. | Jul 13 22:42 |
| oiaohm | It will be if Solarias can get enough development behind it to support super computer. | Jul 13 22:43 |
| MinceR | i'd prefer them to kill solaris rather than to follow sun's policy against gnu/linux. | Jul 13 22:44 |
| ThistleWeb | as far as I know Sun only did opensolaris as a last gasp move to get peeps developing for it, as it was in a lost battle with Linux over developers choice | Jul 13 22:45 |
| ThistleWeb | they tried for ages to play the "unix is better" line but it wasn;t attracting devs | Jul 13 22:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] anadian Example of MAFIAA Gagging Opposition http://ping.fm/A6oQH | Jul 13 22:46 | |
| MinceR | that depends on which sense of unix we're discussing :> | Jul 13 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | I meant they tried to get peeps for their closed UNIX Solaris but peeps who could have been interested went Linux instead | Jul 13 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | so after a while of fighting a losing battle, they offered OpenSolaris as a platform | Jul 13 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Lot of techs Linux is still trying to catch solarias on. | Jul 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | CDDL... | Jul 13 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Changing licences on a few bits to allow them to be merged into Linux would speed up Solaries death. | Jul 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Just enough to slap "open" label on the hood | Jul 13 22:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] YouTube Gets Its Way in Court, Business Methods for Immaterial Things Evolve http://ping.fm/9wooJ | Jul 13 22:49 | |
| oiaohm | ZFS Dtrace Zones/containers. | Jul 13 22:49 |
| oiaohm | All great tech. | Jul 13 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Dtrace particularly. | Jul 13 22:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patent Scam Seeks to Turn Simple Ideas to a Marketplace http://ping.fm/MnoEP | Jul 13 22:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubertroll Ray Niro Loses Mojo http://ping.fm/rKj9n | Jul 13 22:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GoDaddy Tries to Acquire Monopoly on Trivial Things http://ping.fm/JRCpa | Jul 13 22:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Pain essential to childbirth, says male midwife http://bit.ly/qsadF | Jul 13 23:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @bob_sutor Microsoft [..] they should pledge that they will not assert their necessary patents against the Linux kernel | Jul 13 23:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Part of a "Neo-colonialist Plot" -- Glyn Moody http://ping.fm/gD3bQ Agreed. | Jul 13 23:01 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so what's wrong about solaris dying if all the tech that distinguishes it is merged into linux? | Jul 13 23:04 |
| MinceR | they'd get rid of the cost of maintaining a dying OS. | Jul 13 23:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Possible as an "Online Live Environments" http://ping.fm/6F0g6 | Jul 13 23:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2 Surveys Show That Vista 7 Will Fail in the Market http://ping.fm/xzsiu http://ping.fm/Ls2Va | Jul 13 23:20 | |
| _Hicham_ | hi oiaohm | Jul 13 23:20 |
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| _Hicham_ | Vista 7 is a big success | Jul 13 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | for Linux community | Jul 13 23:20 |
| tacone | lol | Jul 13 23:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OSI Complains About Microsoft Front Group ACT http://ping.fm/fBE0W | Jul 13 23:22 | |
| tacone | linux is a is success for the windows community | Jul 13 23:22 |
| tacone | thx to linux, windows 7 is the first os to not require trice the hw requirements | Jul 13 23:22 |
| MinceR | officially | Jul 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | tacone: and 3 OSes | Jul 13 23:23 |
| MinceR | <@monkey> so, is anyone else going to update their resume with "5 year google beta tester"? | Jul 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | XP running in a windows | Jul 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | What a mess | Jul 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | The OS that comes in portions | Jul 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | You get WIndows, Windows XP, VIsta 7... | Jul 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Mix and match | Jul 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Or.... | Jul 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Just use Mandriva with Wine | Jul 13 23:23 |
| tacone | the same mess of mac os 9 emulator | Jul 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS is another mess | Jul 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | But it's sssssssssssssssssssssssshiny | Jul 13 23:24 |
| MinceR | two sides of the same coin | Jul 13 23:24 |
| tacone | some idiot even advocated windows vista to do so | Jul 13 23:24 |
| MinceR | well, vista is shiny too | Jul 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Shit*y | Jul 13 23:24 |
| MinceR | they're both shitty | Jul 13 23:24 |
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| tacone | mac osx sucks | Jul 13 23:24 |
| MinceR | and shiny | Jul 13 23:24 |
| MinceR | polished turds | Jul 13 23:24 |
| tacone | every italian online newspaper talking about office online | Jul 13 23:25 |
| tacone | http://vitadigitale.corriere.it/2009/07/office_va_online_e_diventa_gra.html | Jul 13 23:25 |
| tacone | http://www.repubblica.it/2009/01/sezioni/tecnologia/microsoft-world/office-online/office-online.html | Jul 13 23:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glyn Moody Exposes Microsoft's OOXML Fiascos (in Short, There Are Hundreds) http://ping.fm/H8mqE | Jul 13 23:26 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: good bribes maybe | Jul 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | W-E working overtime | Jul 13 23:26 |
| tacone | tomorrow ms will announce in their partners conference the availability of azure cloud-os | Jul 13 23:26 |
| tacone | yup, commercial agreements | Jul 13 23:26 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone : solang will be in Fedora repos in a few weeks | Jul 13 23:26 |
| tacone | italy is the 2nd country per 'ubuntu' searches volume | Jul 13 23:27 |
| tacone | milan is the first city of the world (maybe just me :)) | Jul 13 23:27 |
| _Hicham_ | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/solang?_csrf_token=1de190509c860248a46bafca961415c98751b5a0 | Jul 13 23:28 |
| _Hicham_ | compiling schestowitz.c , gcc shestowitz.o -lmono -o schestowitz-mono | Jul 13 23:30 |
| MinceR | ew | Jul 13 23:34 |
| MinceR | i doubt he works well with mononucleosis | Jul 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather run ratpoison | Jul 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin does | Jul 13 23:37 |
| _Goblin | ? :) | Jul 13 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M | Jul 13 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out he died a while ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JX_-jaJOrU&NR=1 | Jul 13 23:49 |
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| _Hicham_ | the genesis of mono is based on Miguel's Big Bang | Jul 13 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | This is excellent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBkaP7EY5Us&NR=1 | Jul 13 23:59 |
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