| fewa | http://code.google.com/p/neatx/ | Jul 14 00:01 |
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| fewa | cool | Jul 14 00:01 |
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| _Goblin | gn all... | Jul 14 00:17 |
| _Goblin | oh Roy btw..the podcast hasnt appeared on Linux Outlaws yet....maybe it will be tomorrow? | Jul 14 00:18 |
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| wallclimber | I just read that UK kids aren't file sharing as much these days...lol | Jul 14 00:51 |
| wallclimber | http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2009/07/13/report:-file-sharing-among-u.k.-teens-down-one-third | Jul 14 00:51 |
| wallclimber | And Microsoft is there to help... | Jul 14 00:52 |
| wallclimber | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10285467-56.html | Jul 14 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | The kids here get branwashed | Jul 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft participates in this, I kid you not | Jul 14 00:53 |
| wallclimber | Considering how the RIAA (and friends) like to doctor (make up) statistics | Jul 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | They tell investors that they brainwash kids to respect "IP" | Jul 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | So we're surrounded by little drones | Jul 14 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile they secretly work on ACTA | Jul 14 00:54 |
| wallclimber | I think they've decided to make up stats that show how unpopular file sharing is | Jul 14 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | You'll see what happens in a few years... elites fight to ensure people are not liberated through sharing and free speech | Jul 14 00:54 |
| wallclimber | if the kids hear it enough they'll believe it, right? | Jul 14 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Jul 14 00:54 |
| _Hicham_ | vive schestowitz, the best journalist in the world | Jul 14 00:54 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, wallclimber does all the hard work ;-) | Jul 14 00:55 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 14 00:55 |
| _Hicham_ | hi wallclimber | Jul 14 00:55 |
| wallclimber | Hi! | Jul 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | "The percentage of U.K. music fans who use file-sharing applications every month dropped by nearly a quarter between December 2007 and January 2009, according to a report from The Leading Question and Music Ally. | Jul 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | How is it measured? | Jul 14 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Do they check how many kids swap USB disks? | Jul 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Or *GASP* sing to one another? | Jul 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: wallclimber helps a lot with Comes | Jul 14 00:56 |
| wallclimber | Roy does all the work I just help a little. | Jul 14 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Watch the size of this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/13/us-post-office-foss/ | Jul 14 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | I'm still catching up, so it takes up a lot of time | Jul 14 00:57 |
| wallclimber | it'll be worth it | Jul 14 00:57 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: "pirated" | Jul 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | That 'report' has propaganda language | Jul 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | So it's propaganda | Jul 14 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Nothing credible | Jul 14 00:58 |
| wallclimber | i know, it made me laugh...that's why I shared it. | Jul 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | You also linked to the Fredshill | Jul 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's PR puppet in CNET | Jul 14 00:59 |
| wallclimber | fredshill? | Jul 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Fried | Jul 14 00:59 |
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| wallclimber | lol...ina? | Jul 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | UsefulIdiot or malicious accomplice | Jul 14 01:00 |
| wallclimber | Ira? | Jul 14 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | No | Jul 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Gershwin | Jul 14 01:00 |
| schestowitz | I've spend an hour an a half just watching galaxy vids | Jul 14 01:00 |
| wallclimber | That'd be Ira or George... | Jul 14 01:00 |
| wallclimber | Gershwin | Jul 14 01:01 |
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| wallclimber | ok, I'm tired and feeling silly, guess i better go find food and leave the computers for a while | Jul 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Meh. | Jul 14 01:01 |
| wallclimber | i hate mondays | Jul 14 01:01 |
| schestowitz | I'd post IRC logs | Jul 14 01:01 |
| wallclimber | i just check the temp on my big, screened-in, shady front porch and it's 103 degrees out there | Jul 14 01:04 |
| wallclimber | uge | Jul 14 01:04 |
| wallclimber | i could make scrambled eggs on the sidewalk | Jul 14 01:05 |
| wallclimber | bye for now :) | Jul 14 01:05 |
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| *schestowitz feels like making scrambled eggs (no sidewalk though) | Jul 14 01:08 | |
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| _Hicham_ | wb Senior tacone | Jul 14 01:11 |
| tacone | i'll stay for little time | Jul 14 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Ericsson set for significant South Korean splash-out http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1433342/ericsson-set-significant-south-korean-splash | Jul 14 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Cya in the morning. | Jul 14 01:36 |
| _Hicham_ | tacone the taconer | Jul 14 01:42 |
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| forgot to leave this running all day. anything interesting happen? | Jul 14 02:11 | |
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| From today's links -> Current Nvidia Linux drivers fully support (with the VDPAU API) hardware based decoding of mpeg2, VC1 and h.264 as offered by the ION chip | Jul 14 03:31 | |
| I'm not sure I like that. | Jul 14 03:32 | |
| the card then, is just another computer running non free software. While it might be a little faster for those two tasks, it might not always do what I want. | Jul 14 03:33 | |
| VC1 and h.264, I believe are non free. | Jul 14 03:33 | |
| they will add licensing costs to the hardware that I can do without. | Jul 14 03:34 | |
| the kind of licensing costs that people have to pay when they buy a DVD player, for example, effectively doubles the cost of the DVD player. | Jul 14 03:34 | |
| I wonder how much Nvidia will have to pay to have those two codecs in their chips. | Jul 14 03:35 | |
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| fewa | http://www.dubistterrorist.de/ | Jul 14 04:39 |
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| fewa | and will users of the chips in foreign countries that do not recognize software patents still have to pay higher rates? | Jul 14 04:44 |
| yes, Nvidia will pass the costs along | Jul 14 04:46 | |
| fewa | software patents cost everybody | Jul 14 04:47 |
| The higher cost of non free software is part of every bill you pay. | Jul 14 04:48 | |
| Especially from big dumb companies. | Jul 14 04:48 | |
| Like your electricity. | Jul 14 04:48 | |
| fewa | modern robber barons | Jul 14 04:49 |
| More like desert property swindlers. They say they own something of value. | Jul 14 04:49 | |
| But there's a limitless supply of what they have and the analogy breaks down because free software is better and is not property. | Jul 14 04:50 | |
| fewa | the Brazilian president compared them to drug dealers | Jul 14 04:51 |
| fewa | wait Brazil's CTO | Jul 14 04:56 |
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| fewa | http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,995477,00.html http://lwn.net/Articles/90619/ | Jul 14 05:01 |
| fewa | " As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade . " | Jul 14 05:01 |
| Copyright is a crime. Every day that sharing is outlawed is another day the building materials for the world's greatest public library are wasted. | Jul 14 05:09 | |
| It is as if vandals were able to destroy the library at Alexandria before it was even built. | Jul 14 05:09 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Anybody still up on the other side of the pond? | Jul 14 06:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Fiscal year earnings are scheduled to be reportedJuly 23. Don't forget Microsoft reported its first revenue drop in its history last quarter." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2009462614_minimicrosoft.html | Jul 14 06:06 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Mini has been drinking the koolaid http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html | Jul 14 06:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But notice that Mini thinks that there might be more layoffs, and that 15,000 more need to go to make M$ an effective company again. | Jul 14 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | Maggie Shiels is as usual spinning in Microsoft's favour: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8148969.stm | Jul 14 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Non-news | Jul 14 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Not news at all. Just hype from W-E and MS marketing | Jul 14 07:19 |
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| I summed up Lefty's visible behavior http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/13/mono-vs-richard-stallman-tactic/comment-page-1/#comment-69581 | Jul 14 07:43 | |
| the more you look, the worse it is. | Jul 14 07:43 | |
| Wagner- | are you a bot? | Jul 14 07:44 |
| Wagner- | helloOooO? | Jul 14 07:45 |
| schestowitz | Wagner-: me? No. | Jul 14 07:45 |
| Wagner- | what is twitter? | Jul 14 07:45 |
| ***twitterbot ignores obvious troll Wagner | Jul 14 07:45 | |
| schestowitz | Just became quite fast at these things over the years | Jul 14 07:45 |
| Wagner- | twitter really, i come here knowing a bit about this subject, and what is wrong with you people? | Jul 14 07:46 |
| follow the links, Wagner. | Jul 14 07:46 | |
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| schestowitz | twitter: you wrongly accuse David | Jul 14 07:46 |
| schestowitz | He's got nothing to do with MS | Jul 14 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Many people don't like RMS | Jul 14 07:46 |
| schestowitz | even some people in Debian | Jul 14 07:46 |
| I don't say David has anything to do with M$. | Jul 14 07:46 | |
| I say he defends them, which is true. | Jul 14 07:46 | |
| schestowitz | I have about 10 good posts coming this morning. | Jul 14 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Where to start?!!? zong | Jul 14 07:47 |
| schestowitz | *mg | Jul 14 07:47 |
| David has spoken out for a year or so and it's been consistent. | Jul 14 07:48 | |
| schestowitz | Guess I'll keep it short and let the cites tell the story better | Jul 14 07:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm more concerned about "eet" because he attacks Novell dissent around the Web systematically almost | Jul 14 07:48 |
| David has done some of that too, as I noticed yesterday. | Jul 14 07:49 | |
| schestowitz | BN is at the point now where little new need to be written | Jul 14 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I can make a claim and link to older explanation | Jul 14 07:49 |
| schestowitz | Then concentrate on new info | Jul 14 07:49 |
| There's plenty of new info. | Jul 14 07:49 | |
| schestowitz | It's a good way to organise info as I wanted to do for own purposes in 2007 | Jul 14 07:50 |
| Your organization and persistence is why M$ attacks the site. | Jul 14 07:50 | |
| Who knows, we may find out that some WE troll has been using David's ID all along. | Jul 14 07:52 | |
| It could be just another nym like Eet, G. Michaels, and other net nasties. | Jul 14 07:52 | |
| David's non stop libel for BN and you are clear to anyone who bothers to look at the links I've provided. He says the same things as Eet in a less direct way. | Jul 14 07:54 | |
| His attack on RMS is particularly repulsive. | Jul 14 07:54 | |
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| There have been some good comments on the mono-nono site. Like this one http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/12/and-the-knives-come-out/#comment-130 | Jul 14 07:59 | |
| Lefty's RMS smear was just the first of many that came out. | Jul 14 07:59 | |
| http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/12/and-the-knives-come-out/#comment-128 | Jul 14 08:00 | |
| -> The way it is now, I seriously doubt Lefty is acting from honest principles (nor are many of those who have jumped on either bandwagon). This is especially sad, because it co-opts a real issue (sexism is surely a problem in the world, in business, and in the FLOSS community). I don’t know what is in other men’s heads, but when I see the viciousness of the original attack, the coordination, the timing, the composition of the | Jul 14 08:01 | |
| Death threats and Nazi shit. I've seen all of that from the trolls on Slashdot. | Jul 14 08:02 | |
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| We're not talking about a simple case or "I don't like you" here -> (12:05:10 AM) schestowitz: Many people don't like RMS | Jul 14 08:05 | |
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| Office goes online for real. | Jul 14 08:13 | |
| ha ha. | Jul 14 08:13 | |
| http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/07/google-vs-microsoft-what-you-need-to-know/ | Jul 14 08:14 | |
| eWeek has this, and some really awful javascript -> Office 2010 will allow Microsoft Live subscribers to access stripped-down versions of OneNote, Excel, Word and PowerPoint for free. | Jul 14 08:16 | |
| Windows only, for sure. | Jul 14 08:16 | |
| They might as well reissue M$ Works with OOXML. | Jul 14 08:17 | |
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| bust for them. | Jul 14 08:17 | |
| trmanco | notice the "stripped down" | Jul 14 08:19 |
| Like I said, M$ Works. They think it's 1992 again. | Jul 14 08:19 | |
| look what else they have, Vista 3 -> rumors circulated that Microsoft would find a way to release its own stripped-down operating system, a project code-named Gazelle. | Jul 14 08:20 | |
| In the face of strong opposition, evangelism's focus may shift to the next version ... | Jul 14 08:20 | |
| They keep saying their next OS will be lean but it never is. | Jul 14 08:21 | |
| schestowitz | They are in trouble | Jul 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | They have no choice but to go online | Jul 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | And ballmer confessed they don't know how to monetise it | Jul 14 08:21 |
| schestowitz | If they charge too much they lose to Google | Jul 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | People can just change the site address to apps.google.com or whatever | Jul 14 08:22 |
| schestowitz | THAT is why MS is SO afraid of Google | Jul 14 08:22 |
| fewa | MS POS | Jul 14 08:27 |
| fewa | the gazell was pur vaporware | Jul 14 08:27 |
| fewa | so vague and they hadnt the slightest clue and are just trying to prevent people from jumping, ala MS-DOS 6 | Jul 14 08:27 |
| M$ Office online? I don't think so. If it won't work with Mac and GNU/Linux, it won't work with 20% of the market. | Jul 14 08:30 | |
| fewa | ActiveX | Jul 14 08:30 |
| So, your chances of sharing with people are low. | Jul 14 08:30 | |
| fewa | but i dont relly care | Jul 14 08:30 |
| fewa | at this point there is no way it compete, all it has left is lock-ing | Jul 14 08:31 |
| Google works with stuff that's not M$. | Jul 14 08:31 | |
| fewa | Thats really the crux to microsoft, their whole business model is based upon getting 3rd party developers to make their platform more valuable | Jul 14 08:32 |
| The whole point of online editing is to share. Non free software people have two choices for sharing, someone's gnu/linux box (aka "the cloud") or sneaker net. | Jul 14 08:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How the Gates Foundation Helps Getting Children Addicted http://ping.fm/6QcA3 | Jul 14 08:33 | |
| They don't have the ease of OpenSSH and Apache | Jul 14 08:33 | |
| schestowitz | There's more to it | Jul 14 08:33 |
| fewa | and then tying and destroying the markets that threaten to compete that business | Jul 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | While MS didn't have this product they FUDed Google | Jul 14 08:33 |
| schestowitz | They mocked online office suites | Jul 14 08:33 |
| They used to pass stuff around in emails. That was a pain. | Jul 14 08:33 | |
| schestowitz | because they had nothing worthy | Jul 14 08:34 |
| fewa | Online office in panacea | Jul 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | They also used former employees to slog Google apps | Jul 14 08:34 |
| schestowitz | To pretend nobody used it | Jul 14 08:34 |
| fewa | Online computing is just another trap | Jul 14 08:34 |
| The usual M$ behavior. Name calling followed by second rate offerings. | Jul 14 08:34 | |
| fewa | although it is much more competitive | Jul 14 08:34 |
| People are using Google apps. Steve Ballmer admitted as much last year. | Jul 14 08:35 | |
| and yes, that threatens every aspect of M$'s ancient monopoly | Jul 14 08:35 | |
| fewa | One thing about microsoft's platform: Microsoft generally has not had access to users data | Jul 14 08:35 |
| fewa | hell they dont even have the source code to IHV's drivers | Jul 14 08:36 |
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| here you go, Steve B, sweating it out last October http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/18/0023257 | Jul 14 08:36 | |
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| not true - > Microsoft generally has not had access to users data | Jul 14 08:37 | |
| fewa | they have tried to encumber it, and there is the whole NSA key thing | Jul 14 08:37 |
| They gave themselves explicit rights to search whatever they wanted back in XP's licensing. | Jul 14 08:38 | |
| Their network stack and search tools are notoriously poor, but personal information was indexed and sent back to the mothership. | Jul 14 08:38 | |
| fewa | even pre-WGA? | Jul 14 08:39 |
| I'm not sure about that, but their intent has always been what it is. | Jul 14 08:39 | |
| I wonder where it shows up in Comes material. | Jul 14 08:39 | |
| That would be a great find. | Jul 14 08:40 | |
| It would make their current attacks look like they blatant hypocrisy they are. | Jul 14 08:40 | |
| When pressed, the TOYA Boys will say things like, "M$ does not have a mechanism to collect this information." | Jul 14 08:41 | |
| If they are not completely ignorant, they can't deny M$'s licensing language. With Vista, they can't deny they collection mechanism has been built. | Jul 14 08:42 | |
| This is one of the big reasons companies have rejected Vista. | Jul 14 08:43 | |
| fewa | smart choice | Jul 14 08:47 |
| fewa | why would a company have any interest in handing over the keys to their business? | Jul 14 08:48 |
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| NYT publishes a pro Bing article, " Bing Delivers Credibility to Microsoft" | Jul 14 08:49 | |
| harrytuttle | hello | Jul 14 08:49 |
| I don't think so. | Jul 14 08:49 | |
| hello tuttle. are we still all in this together? | Jul 14 08:50 | |
| harrytuttle | hehe, sure | Jul 14 08:50 |
| harrytuttle | so now its fight over banshee replacing rythmbox | Jul 14 08:50 |
| harrytuttle | with all those mono-apps developed and sponsored by novell, its only a matter of time, before they will become mature enough and surpass their rivals | Jul 14 08:52 |
| harrytuttle | banshee for example does already look more polished and more active than rythembox | Jul 14 08:52 |
| harrytuttle | as for the argument, why M$ would rather sue first over apps than over the kernel: all Gnu/Linux is worthless by itself without any apps | Jul 14 08:53 |
| harrytuttle | like Mac OSX value lies on their proprietary API and those apps on top rather than the kernel underneath | Jul 14 08:54 |
| GNU/Linux has plenty of media players. | Jul 14 08:56 | |
| harrytuttle | Novells agenda: push as many mono-apps as possible and win mindshare over the platform, by forcing users to contribute via C# to those projects | Jul 14 08:57 |
| VLC, Totem, Amarok, Natun, Xine, mplayer, kmplayer and on and on. | Jul 14 08:57 | |
| If you want slick, take Amarok. | Jul 14 08:58 | |
| harrytuttle | sure, id love to see vlc default even in gnome | Jul 14 08:58 |
| Novell is going nowhere fast with their mono push. | Jul 14 08:59 | |
| harrytuttle | they use ubuntu as "their tool" | Jul 14 08:59 |
| If they crap out ubuntu, people will move on to other distributions | Jul 14 09:00 | |
| I don't think Ubuntu will be so foolish. | Jul 14 09:00 | |
| harrytuttle | ubuntu users probably are the most "pragmatic" being mostly windows converts | Jul 14 09:01 |
| Good free software does not need vocal advocates chasing people around news lists and forums. No software worth running has people smearing RMS. | Jul 14 09:02 | |
| harrytuttle | smearing rms is bad tactic and has nothing to do with rms rightfully critizing mono for what its worth | Jul 14 09:03 |
| benJIman | "< twitter> Good free software does not need vocal advocates chasing people around news lists and forums." Oh the irony. | Jul 14 09:04 |
| Guest_327 | smearing anyone for political gains is a bad tactic. | Jul 14 09:04 |
| harrytuttle | but all debate is not going to stop the massive amount of work going on behind the scenes to replace apps with mono-dependant ones | Jul 14 09:05 |
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| Speaking of chasing people around, why are you here benJIman? | Jul 14 09:05 | |
| harrytuttle | gnu / linux has reached a state, where the kernel is more stable, secure and even has more devices running default than any M$ product could ever match | Jul 14 09:06 |
| benJIman | I was here before you, you can't really accuse me of chasing you around. | Jul 14 09:06 |
| fewa | benJIman, when the first thing you do is attack someone else, this makes you suspicious | Jul 14 09:06 |
| You might answer the question Benji. | Jul 14 09:06 | |
| harrytuttle | so now only the apps/ killer-apps are missing... most stuff is already there, like Firefox, OpenOffice, etc.... only some default apps like paint, etc. are missing... | Jul 14 09:07 |
| Instead of trying to put words in my mouth. | Jul 14 09:07 | |
| benJIman | You put them in your own mouth, and I've answered them before so you clearly have no interest in remembering. | Jul 14 09:07 |
| No, I don't think I've ever seen you say exactly why you were here. | Jul 14 09:08 | |
| Nor have I ever seen you say anything constructive. | Jul 14 09:09 | |
| ***twitter ignores benJIman, again. | Jul 14 09:09 | |
| harrytuttle | benjI: so whats your personal opinion about mono? | Jul 14 09:09 |
| harrytuttle | you think its save? | Jul 14 09:10 |
| benJIman | harrytuttle: It's great. | Jul 14 09:10 |
| benJIman | harrytuttle: I don't live in the US, and if I did and was concerned about patents I wouldn't be able to run GNU/Linux for a start. | Jul 14 09:10 |
| benJIman | Mono would be the least of my worries. | Jul 14 09:10 |
| harrytuttle | would you think MS would sue themselves anything related GNU/Linux other than Mono? | Jul 14 09:11 |
| harrytuttle | sue themsleves= sue anyone themsleves | Jul 14 09:11 |
| harrytuttle | would you think they would sue over the kernel? Firefox? Java? | Jul 14 09:12 |
| benJIman | They have nothing to gain and everything to lose from such a move. Whereas smaller companies who have been granted patents for things that lots of other free software infringes are more dangerous. | Jul 14 09:13 |
| harrytuttle | i'd agree | Jul 14 09:13 |
| harrytuttle | but why would they gain not much and probably lose much more ? why did they think that wouldn't be the case for sueing over FAT? | Jul 14 09:15 |
| harrytuttle | because its their tech | Jul 14 09:15 |
| harrytuttle | they control it | Jul 14 09:15 |
| harrytuttle | they think they are morally entitled to fight, because its theirs to begin with | Jul 14 09:16 |
| harrytuttle | Linux and Java and Firefox isnt "theirs" | Jul 14 09:16 |
| harrytuttle | Mono and dontnet IS | Jul 14 09:16 |
| harrytuttle | thats the difference | Jul 14 09:16 |
| Guest_327 | FAT was allowed to be used, but not sub-licensed, thats what TOMTOM did wrong. | Jul 14 09:16 |
| Guest_327 | sublicensing FAT under the GPL, but its not the C code or C language at fault. | Jul 14 09:17 |
| harrytuttle | MS made it appear different | Jul 14 09:17 |
| harrytuttle | they portayed it as patent license-issues | Jul 14 09:18 |
| Guest_327 | It is a patent license issue, but MS made a general statement allowing the use of FAT as long as you kept to the agreement. Otherwise all bets are off. | Jul 14 09:19 |
| Guest_327 | TOMTOM, took the patent agreement for use, but used the patent but did not keep to the agreement regarding sub-licensing the use of the patented FAT | Jul 14 09:20 |
| harrytuttle | okay, and now they made an agreement that allows usage of C# and CLI, as long those arent used to copy their useful form: .NET | Jul 14 09:20 |
| fewa | why would Microsoft purposefully make their legal "promise" totally inconclusive if the did not mean to sue and harass people over it? | Jul 14 09:21 |
| Guest_327 | yes thats right its akin to saying you can use C language but you cannot use all code ever written by C. | Jul 14 09:21 |
| harrytuttle | well, it would not have to be all code ever written in C#, only extend the promise to not enforce patents or demand royalties over that code/libraries that MS markets as .NET | Jul 14 09:27 |
| harrytuttle | thereby making cross-platfform programming useful | Jul 14 09:27 |
| fewa | thats just junk | Jul 14 09:28 |
| harrytuttle | under gnu/linux or any platform being able to run .NET code | Jul 14 09:28 |
| fewa | when microsoft sells a product they do some impendifying users of patent infringement arising from the use of that product | Jul 14 09:28 |
| harrytuttle | fewa: what is junk? .NET libaries? | Jul 14 09:28 |
| fewa | this in inherent in the commerical transaction | Jul 14 09:28 |
| Guest_327 | well the .net stuff is mainly for the Windows API's so if your developing for linux they are not as necessary, but the framework of .net is a set of tools that you would be able to develop independtly with C# in clean room style. | Jul 14 09:29 |
| harrytuttle | but patents wouldnt allow a clean-room inplemenation? | Jul 14 09:29 |
| fewa | pretending that you must to pay protection money for something that is a inherent right is just despicable | Jul 14 09:30 |
| Google remembers benJIman's irritating non answers to direct questions. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/06/irc-log-05092008-3/ | Jul 14 09:31 | |
| http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/09/irc-log-08102008/ | Jul 14 09:31 | |
| -> benJIman, you sound like Gates answering questions for the DOJ. “Define uninstall”? | Jul 14 09:32 | |
| Guest_327 | why is there an inherent right to it ? | Jul 14 09:32 |
| fewa | If Microsoft sells a product they claim's use is covered by their patents, they must sell that product with its corresponding patent licence | Jul 14 09:34 |
| fewa | Thats part of the exhaustion doctrine. | Jul 14 09:34 |
| Guest_327 | what product are you referring too ? | Jul 14 09:34 |
| fewa | harrytuttle's troll: <harrytuttle> well, it would not have to be all code ever written in C#, only extend the promise to not enforce patents or demand royalties over that code/libraries that MS markets as .NET | Jul 14 09:36 |
| Guest_327 | except they may want to hold onto that, many companies do this have open and proprietary code as well, Red hat, canicional and so on. | Jul 14 09:37 |
| Guest_327 | but there is nothing to stop you the community from developing your own set of tools | Jul 14 09:39 |
| fewa | Guest_327, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VvNsQU8ncA&feature=channel imagine if Beethoven had to evade patents to write music? | Jul 14 09:47 |
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| fewa | Guest_327, you are a proponent of monopolies on math and software algorithms, you are not welcome here | Jul 14 09:48 |
| fewa | * [Guest_327] (n=IceChat7@CPE-143-238-123-167.nsw.bigpond.net.au): The Chat cool people use | Jul 14 09:48 |
| Guest_327 | thanks fewa for making those assumptions, as wrong as they are, I do not propose patents on numbers, musical notes, musical scales, words, or computer instructions. | Jul 14 09:54 |
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| fewa | then what did you mean by | Jul 14 09:57 |
| fewa | <Guest_327> but there is nothing to stop you the community from developing your own set of tools | Jul 14 09:57 |
| Guest_327 | umm, that there is nothing to stop the community from developing their own set of tools, like has been done with java, C libs and so on. | Jul 14 09:58 |
| Guest_327 | Qt as well | Jul 14 09:59 |
| fewa | but we were discussing patents, not copyrights | Jul 14 09:59 |
| fewa | *are | Jul 14 09:59 |
| Guest_327 | basically what I said is what I ment. yes, I know we are. | Jul 14 09:59 |
| fewa | they you do not understand the topic of patents | Jul 14 10:00 |
| fewa | *then | Jul 14 10:00 |
| Guest_327 | its very possible, (see FAT) that you can code something in a different way, to avoid patents and achieve the same functionality. | Jul 14 10:00 |
| fewa | what about the patent on 1-click shopping? | Jul 14 10:01 |
| fewa | or on page-up page-down | Jul 14 10:01 |
| fewa | scrolling? | Jul 14 10:02 |
| fewa | or on B-frames? | Jul 14 10:02 |
| Guest_327 | what about it ? I dont know them or care about them, are they in .NET ? i dont think so. | Jul 14 10:02 |
| fewa | Microsoft does not name the patents it may assert, also MSFT makes its software completely reliant on the patents it has | Jul 14 10:04 |
| Guest_327 | that does not mean you have too, you can create software with C# that does not have patents in it, just as you can write c code that is full of patents. its up to you. not the programming language you use. | Jul 14 10:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Veiled Attack on Google Tries to Incite GNU/Linux People Against Chrome OS http://ping.fm/fdVEZ | Jul 14 10:12 | |
| schestowitz | Guest_327: is MUTEX | Jul 14 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Nymshifting again | Jul 14 10:13 |
| fewa | im not suprised | Jul 14 10:14 |
| fewa | what idiot employer who pay somebody to spout such incompetence? | Jul 14 10:16 |
| fewa | *would | Jul 14 10:16 |
| fewa | schestowitz, yeah, v8 must be by far the fastest javascript for ARM | Jul 14 10:20 |
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| schestowitz | He's wasting everyone's time by injecting MS PR | Jul 14 10:22 |
| fewa | but thats just a war of attrition | Jul 14 10:23 |
| fewa | which is entirely futile | Jul 14 10:24 |
| fewa | cause v8 can compile bytecode for x86 and ARM | Jul 14 10:29 |
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| _Hicham__ | good morning schestowitz | Jul 14 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Hi | Jul 14 11:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bing Fails, So Microsoft Proceeds to Anti-competitive Practices http://ping.fm/RDxSa | Jul 14 11:55 | |
| schestowitz | Hey, bing Ben | Jul 14 11:55 |
| bing | hi schestowitz | Jul 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Why bing? | Jul 14 11:56 |
| bing | hah, i had the nick before the search engine was named | Jul 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Jul 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | We have a twitter here, also predating the service | Jul 14 11:56 |
| bing | most importantly, my nick lets me do this: | Jul 14 11:57 |
| *bing bing bing! | Jul 14 11:57 | |
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| MinceR | such a strange state of bing. | Jul 14 12:00 |
| googol | BING Is No Google | Jul 14 12:01 |
| googol | *Not | Jul 14 12:01 |
| googol | but i guess no works too | Jul 14 12:01 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @danyR: Ubuntu 9.04 Receives OpenJDK 6 Certification - Now compatible with Sun's Java SE 6 platform - Softpedia http://moopz.com/jmrp | Jul 14 12:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Security Failures Watch http://ping.fm/1AMLJ | Jul 14 12:12 | |
| *schestowitz suspects smelling buzz marketing from MS | Jul 14 12:12 | |
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| schestowitz | ping tessier | Jul 14 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw | Jul 14 12:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu needs openjdk 7 certification :< | Jul 14 12:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bing: Not Really Gaining on Google: http://is.gd/1yoCz -> LMAO | Jul 14 12:33 | |
| trmanco | Bing <-> Bong | Jul 14 12:33 |
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| Diablo-D3 | ---> bang | Jul 14 12:36 |
| MinceR | oh noes, it's a Diablo-D3 | Jul 14 12:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf are you doing in here | Jul 14 12:37 |
| MinceR | idling, mostly | Jul 14 12:38 |
| MinceR | and what are you doing here? | Jul 14 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | becoming the sword of justice. | Jul 14 12:38 |
| trmanco | hmm | Jul 14 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should just change my nick to FuckMicrosoft | Jul 14 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | goddamnit | Jul 14 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | [07:58:23] --- FuckMicrosoft :Erroneous Nickname | Jul 14 12:39 |
| trmanco | give me a seck | Jul 14 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | BILLY MAYS HERE | Jul 14 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Cant you get trouble operating systems out? Your system crashing? Do you like Vince's nuts? | Jul 14 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | or something | Jul 14 12:40 |
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| trmanco | like that? | Jul 14 12:41 |
| trmanco | :-P | Jul 14 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | hah | Jul 14 12:41 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Jul 14 12:43 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: let's see if you're eligible for that | Jul 14 12:44 |
| *MinceR wields Diablo-D3 | Jul 14 12:44 | |
| MinceR | nah, you aren't even masterwork. | Jul 14 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrr | Jul 14 12:46 |
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| _Hicham__ | schestowitz doesn't like insulting Microsoft | Jul 14 13:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Looking for Lord Justice Jacob submission to the 2006 European Consultation on patent policy... it should be here: http://bit.ly/15rPS | Jul 14 13:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Only With You - Captain Hollywood Project" ♫ http://blip.fm/~9whhu | Jul 14 13:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "More and More - Captain Hollywood" ♫ http://blip.fm/~9whkd | Jul 14 13:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Angle on Personal Attacks from Mono http://ping.fm/5lrAJ | Jul 14 13:38 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | _Hicham__: good for him | Jul 14 13:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I, however, do | Jul 14 13:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] "A good court system must be composed of technical judges [...] They must be strongly convinced that patents are good." http://bit.ly/18O4rs | Jul 14 13:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Carphone Warehouse AstroTurfing Exposed, Microsoft’s Voyage Into Twitter Continues http://ping.fm/WxY7G | Jul 14 14:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Surveys Confirm: Vista 7 Will Fail in the Market http://ping.fm/cGWZV | Jul 14 14:31 | |
| Diablo-D3 | lol vista 7 | Jul 14 14:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Gartner on why we need software patents: http://bit.ly/6lEEa | Jul 14 15:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Lobbies Come Under Fire by the Open Source Initiative (OSI) and Linux Journal http://ping.fm/JGxS0 | Jul 14 15:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Freda is diagnosed as having swine flu! I go fetch Tamiflu shortly. Good thing we didn't bring her to the readthrough on Saturday ... | Jul 14 15:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dear IE6: you're not dying fast enough, so let's stab you a bit and see if that helps. Love, Google. http://is.gd/1yz1r | Jul 14 15:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Paid Microsoft AstroTurfer Strikes Boycott Novell http://ping.fm/U5kdS | Jul 14 16:36 | |
| schestowitz | ^^ Friends from Singapore... | Jul 14 16:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCO Scandals Get Worse: unXis Seems to be All About SCO http://ping.fm/73EeK | Jul 14 16:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] freda will be fine, swine flu is presently mild but v infectious - only the young, old, asthmatic etc are getting tamiflu | Jul 14 16:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Froelinger about UPLS: "Once we have this decision, member states will not be able to hide behind legal arguments" http://bit.ly/I7sg7 | Jul 14 16:44 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jul 14 16:50 |
| zoobab01 | hi | Jul 14 16:51 |
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| David_Lee | "SCO Scandals Get Worse". Has novell received anything concerning the awarded judgement against SCO? | Jul 14 17:50 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Lá vou eu fazer o jantar... | Jul 14 18:48 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Critical JavaScript vulnerability in Firefox 3.5: http://blog.mozilla.com/security/2009/07/14/critical-javascript-vulnerability-in-firefox-35/ | Jul 14 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Hey, zoobab01 | Jul 14 19:04 |
| schestowitz | David_Lee: better ask Groklaw. I wish I knew. | Jul 14 19:04 |
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| tessier_ | Windows 7 RTM eh? | Jul 14 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I remember Vista RTM | Jul 14 19:12 |
| schestowitz | October or November 2006 | Jul 14 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It was the wonderful most successful OS ever | Jul 14 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It was going to take the world by storm in January | Jul 14 19:12 |
| schestowitz | New Surveys Confirm: Vista 7 Will Fail in the Market http://ping.fm/cGWZV | Jul 14 19:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jul 14 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I used 7 beta | Jul 14 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | its actually quite nice | Jul 14 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | but ... feh | Jul 14 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're going to fuck it up | Jul 14 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know they are | Jul 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | They have | Jul 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Watch Reality log in BN | Jul 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | In RC they ruined it | Jul 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | They added a of fat to it | Jul 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Not FAT, fat | Jul 14 19:13 |
| schestowitz | And huge Windows fans like Reutt complained | Jul 14 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | as in bacon? | Jul 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Aye | Jul 14 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: thats fucking tarded | Jul 14 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | they need to hire me | Jul 14 19:14 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jul 14 19:14 |
| David_Lee | I will do that. Thank you | Jul 14 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'll fix their shit overnight | Jul 14 19:14 |
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| MinceR | no, they need to die | Jul 14 19:26 |
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| MinceR | the only thing that's ever kept m$ alive was their underhanded dealings and the industry needs none of that. | Jul 14 19:27 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR: do you mean that M$ would go past the point of legal? | Jul 14 19:30 |
| MinceR | i don't think i understand the question | Jul 14 19:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as to what keeps M$ alive. | Jul 14 19:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they have been caught a few times there | Jul 14 19:31 |
| MinceR | they have, but they've never been adequately punished | Jul 14 19:31 |
| MinceR | nor prevented from continuing their conduct | Jul 14 19:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how true | Jul 14 19:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the quarter ending for M$ will be July 23rd, and will be released by them after the stock market closes | Jul 14 19:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | rumors of more layoffs on mini-ms blog | Jul 14 19:33 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | the fact that M$ continues to look for projects to cut, and is even trying to sell one company it bought, may mean this quarter will not be a good one | Jul 14 19:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but we can expect M$ and their Shills, to paint the best picture possible | Jul 14 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 14 19:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | hello | Jul 14 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, layoffs seem likely | Jul 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | They have nothing in store | Jul 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Just cannibalisation ('cloud'/fog) | Jul 14 19:37 |
| schestowitz | All their recent products fail | Jul 14 19:37 |
| MinceR | hot air :> | Jul 14 19:37 |
| MinceR | put in shiny plastic boxes! | Jul 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Vista, Zune, XBox360, Dea.. I mean, Live.. | Jul 14 19:38 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | They all lose tons of moneyu | Jul 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | They timed next financial results around vista 7 release | Jul 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Well, not proper release | Jul 14 19:38 |
| schestowitz | But it's supposed to give them something with which they bury another terrible qtr | Jul 14 19:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ depends on OEM's to sell their software, so their short term future is all based on Intel hardware selling well, in the USA and other places like the EU. The EU battles is delaying the release of Vista7 as well, why M$ wants to settle now. | Jul 14 19:39 |
| MinceR | s/put/sold/ | Jul 14 19:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, without mentioning names, (u know I would not do that) I see you are harboring one rattlesnake, who's purpose here, is most likely to hurt you. | Jul 14 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | Dance Reality Show Barred From Doing A Michael Jackson Tribute < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090710/0402235514.shtml > | Jul 14 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: more than one | Jul 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | There's one troll here that used 10 names | Jul 14 19:43 |
| schestowitz | His latest is "Guest_327" | Jul 14 19:44 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | it will be interesting to see the July 23rd figures from MS, to see if they have any more accounting tricks left | Jul 14 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe another TE, who knows...? | Jul 14 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I think it will be bad | Jul 14 19:44 |
| schestowitz | But it's not important | Jul 14 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is stuck since April 2008 | Jul 14 19:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I see M$ as the main enemy of FOSS, not Novel. Novel is only trying to exsist by taking M$ money, which taints them, and poisons Linux with Mono/Moonlight | Jul 14 19:45 |
| MinceR | novell is practically just a department of m$ now | Jul 14 19:46 |
| MinceR | novell is the stick they touch GPL with. | Jul 14 19:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, I was not referring to the troll Guest_327 | Jul 14 19:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but thats all I will say on the viper subject, except be careful, which u already know | Jul 14 19:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR: yes | Jul 14 19:47 |
| schestowitz | ChanServ: cj? | Jul 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | We have some Mono people here | Jul 14 19:48 |
| schestowitz | But I think I know who you refer to | Jul 14 19:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Balmer still has plans to pump online advertising with 5 to 10% of MS profits for the next 5 years. | Jul 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | If the temperature rises, we'll take care of it | Jul 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: of profits, eh? | Jul 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Not revenue | Jul 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he know profit will carry on shrinking | Jul 14 19:49 |
| schestowitz | It fell 30% or so in April | Jul 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | It's likely to be the same next week | Jul 14 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is stuck | Jul 14 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's stuck in the old wave or business model | Jul 14 19:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its more than the fight with Google, its also the fight with Adobe, every bit as important to MS. Silverlight to destroy Flash is the other part of their plan. Adobe needs to wake up and go to court. | Jul 14 19:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, maybe Roy that 5 years "plan," is how long before M$ becomes unprofitable | Jul 14 19:51 |
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| Omar87 | Hi guys. | Jul 14 19:52 |
| MinceR | my dream is that m$, google and adobe get in a fight and destroy each other | Jul 14 19:52 |
| MinceR | hay Omar87 | Jul 14 19:52 |
| Omar87 | LOL! | Jul 14 19:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Silverlight is the root of all Mono/Novel evil | Jul 14 19:53 |
| MinceR | if only they could somehow destroy crApple too | Jul 14 19:53 |
| MinceR | i think silverblight is just a facet of that evil | Jul 14 19:53 |
| Balrog | apple does not like silverlight | Jul 14 19:53 |
| Balrog | or flash for that matter | Jul 14 19:53 |
| Balrog | they like h.264 | Jul 14 19:53 |
| Omar87 | Bill Gates gained a patent over an "invention that could stop storms and tornadoes"!!! :D | Jul 14 19:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple is not a long term problem. They only appeal to the richer folks | Jul 14 19:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you forget Jobs | Jul 14 19:54 |
| MinceR | as long as that doesn't change, yes | Jul 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jul 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Wait | Jul 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I caught up | Jul 14 19:54 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: right -- jobs could just die and drag crApple to the grave | Jul 14 19:54 |
| Omar87 | It seems like he was either drunk or high. :p | Jul 14 19:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Silverlight is Mono, and Mono is a poor cousin of Silverlight. | Jul 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | ChanServ: indeed. Apple is a niche | Jul 14 19:54 |
| schestowitz | It fills that niche at the moment | Jul 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | So Apple may have 3% market share | Jul 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 10% market share in the US | Jul 14 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Because many richer people live in the US | Jul 14 19:55 |
| Balrog | but then again, market share is a very bad indicator of actual market percentage | Jul 14 19:55 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 14 19:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Adobe Flash is more vunerable than Google online advertising or search | Jul 14 19:55 |
| Balrog | heard of that OS9 browser ...? | Jul 14 19:55 |
| Balrog | (Classilla) | Jul 14 19:55 |
| Balrog | someone's actually working on improving mozilla for Mac OS 9 | Jul 14 19:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Unless Apple reduces the price of Mac's to compete headon with the OEM's, then it will remain a niche only in richer countries | Jul 14 19:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple will continue to charge as much as the market will bear, for as long as it can. This is also affects by the number of computers that Apple can actually turn out, as it does make its own computers, and therefore can only turn out X numbers of computers per year | Jul 14 20:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple is not the big problem short term | Jul 14 20:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If they increase manufacturing capability and lower cost, they could be a serious problem for M$ and the OEM's | Jul 14 20:01 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: as an investment aapl isnt bad | Jul 14 20:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR: Look at the lawsuit now Apple vs Pystar. Pystar is basically doing the same thing that the OEM's did back when they cloned the IBM compatables, less even, as the Mac runs on IBM compatables. The difference is the legal end, EULA's, copyrights, and Patents to stifle innnovation. | Jul 14 20:04 |
| MinceR | i know | Jul 14 20:04 |
| MinceR | but many customers don't know/don't care | Jul 14 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It should be legal to clone a Mac, its the same intel hardware | Jul 14 20:04 |
| MinceR | iirc their angle of attack was how osx was redistributed | Jul 14 20:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR: YES. Its an legal argument | Jul 14 20:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but its the same thing as when the IBM computer was backword engineered, Heck, you don't even have to "backward" engineer a Mac, its already runs on an Intel | Jul 14 20:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Notice that there are more and more companines selling Mac clones now besides Pystar | Jul 14 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In the end, Apple may not be able to stop all of them in differnent countries, with the same legal position | Jul 14 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If one wins, Apple may be forced to change the way it markets OS X | Jul 14 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: it's insane. Old Macs should get modern Linux | Jul 14 20:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As in raise the price of its OS | Jul 14 20:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hacker's human rights 'ignored' http://ping.fm/W0J2z | Jul 14 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | David_Lee: you're from Linux Journal..? | Jul 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe that's Justin (I can't remember) | Jul 14 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Notice how nobody in the mainstream press wrote about the massive revelations about SCO. Are they afraid that Darl and his cowboys will play rodeo on them /too/? | Jul 14 20:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, most likely, and also afriad of MS as well | Jul 14 20:16 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: Old macs don't run modern Linux that well | Jul 14 20:19 |
| Balrog | they run BSD better | Jul 14 20:19 |
| Balrog | and you lose all your old apps (of which there are many good ones) | Jul 14 20:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The connection between MS and Netflix, the Presiden of Netflix is on the board of MS. Its why Silverlight is being used on Netflix, even though it has had major problems and complaints. Other than Netflix, does Silverlight have any real premium content, or is it just commercials? | Jul 14 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | Balrog: bullshit | Jul 14 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | my ppc powerbook runs linux better than it did osx | Jul 14 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | it flies | Jul 14 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | and G4s dont fly | Jul 14 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: does flash have any premium content? no | Jul 14 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, to be fair, thats not really an issue | Jul 14 20:20 |
| Balrog | Diablo-D3: with os x it's a little different | Jul 14 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | with osx its slow as fucking shit | Jul 14 20:21 |
| Balrog | Diablo-D3: RAM? | Jul 14 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | 2 gigs | Jul 14 20:21 |
| Balrog | CPU speed? | Jul 14 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a 1.25ghz G4 | Jul 14 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it has a mobile radeon 9600 | Jul 14 20:21 |
| Balrog | hrmm. I've run OS X on slower things than that | Jul 14 20:22 |
| Balrog | and it's performed decently | Jul 14 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | your definition of 'decently' sucks. | Jul 14 20:22 |
| Balrog | I have OS X 10.4 or a 450MHz G4 with 768MB of RAM, works well | Jul 14 20:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, so Diablo-D3 is still a proponent of Silverlight/Mono I see. Flash is everywhere, youtube, all over with premium. and best of all, with flashblock extenstion in firefox, you can block the commercials and just play the premium content. You cannot do that in Silverlight/Mono as far as I know | Jul 14 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: not at all | Jul 14 20:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im just saying flash and silverlight and all that shit is pointless and dead | Jul 14 20:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, adblock has flash blocking built in | Jul 14 20:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | it can block java applets too iirc | Jul 14 20:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | so they'll probably add silverlight if anyone actually ends up using it | Jul 14 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem with silverlight is it only recently became actually useful | Jul 14 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | flash has all sorts of stuff that can be called from it's javascript impl.... | Jul 14 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | java is java.... | Jul 14 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet silverlight had nothing to do complex logic with | Jul 14 20:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet again microsoft is really fucking behind | Jul 14 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I dont know why | Jul 14 20:25 |
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| Diablo-D3 | they can go look at the rest of the world as good as I can | Jul 14 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | they know what they're up against | Jul 14 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just doesnt make any sense | Jul 14 20:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like all the sudden microsoft became allergic to money | Jul 14 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | alright, Im going to bed | Jul 14 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | night | Jul 14 20:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR: well cutting thru all the spam here, basically Siverlight/Moonlight adds nothing but commercials to Linux | Jul 14 20:27 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | why would we want Moonlight? There is no reason to want it. | Jul 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Silver Lie adoption is poor | Jul 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft admits it | Jul 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Netflix could be a _bought_ contract | Jul 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft BUYS many contracts | Jul 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Says Adobe | Jul 14 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Trophy deal | Jul 14 20:29 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | True, but because of the windows update, Silverlight is installed on many many computers | Jul 14 20:30 |
| schestowitz | So is the BSD TCP/IP stack | Jul 14 20:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Adobe should look into Silverlight being installed by Windows update and sue them | Jul 14 20:30 |
| schestowitz | And Minesweeper | Jul 14 20:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | B4 its too late | Jul 14 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, they could | Jul 14 20:31 |
| schestowitz | But to whom? | Jul 14 20:31 |
| schestowitz | ECIS and EU? | Jul 14 20:31 |
| schestowitz | The US DOJ and related departments are Microsoft's | Jul 14 20:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how about both | Jul 14 20:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | still could cause them some pain even the DOJ | Jul 14 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | especailly if Adobe wins in the EU first | Jul 14 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | How about South Korea too | Jul 14 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Adobe needs to wake up | Jul 14 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They could end up being the next "Netscape," sort of. (Adobe) Except they are not dependent on just Flash. | Jul 14 20:33 |
| schestowitz | 98 Percent Of Survey Takers Won't Switch To Bing http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/14/98-percent-of-surveys-respondents-wont-switch-to-bing | Jul 14 20:34 |
| schestowitz | See comment | Jul 14 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Seems like an MS advwert | Jul 14 20:34 |
| schestowitz | They scour Twitter and all | Jul 14 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Policing Bong coverage | Jul 14 20:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.writtenbysumer.com+microsoft&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Jul 14 20:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I can't say for sure that M$ is using Windows update to install Silverlight, but I read it online, and thats why there are now so many installed base of Silverlight. Sorry, I do not have the link. | Jul 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | False alarm... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Michelle+Salater++microsoft&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Jul 14 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: just slog. | Jul 14 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Silver Lie ain't doing it | Jul 14 20:36 |
| schestowitz | And <video> will hurt RIA in general | Jul 14 20:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Flash/Silverlight are both propioratory web extenstions if you think about it. Do we really want M$ to have control of this? | Jul 14 20:36 |
| schestowitz | If only we can pressure the elitists from Apple to do something | Jul 14 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is a lost cause | Jul 14 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Their own people say that "unethical shitheads" run the IE team | Jul 14 20:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, are you saying Silverlight is not being installed by Windows Update? | Jul 14 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I never heard so | Jul 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | But HP does | Jul 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | With their toolbar | Jul 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Sicne around April 2008 IIRC | Jul 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I could check | Jul 14 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | their ally | Jul 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | But it's not the point | Jul 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Providers matter | Jul 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | They choose based on merit | Jul 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | MLB and NYT dumped Silver Lie | Jul 14 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Like the LSE dumps win32 | Jul 14 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as you know, I do not run windows, but I do maintain an old xp for viral checking on custormers computers, its never allowed on the web | Jul 14 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My point is if MS is using Windows Update to install Silverlight, they are once again breaking the Antitrust Laws in the USA, and the competition rules in the EU | Jul 14 20:40 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | of course that is up to the courts to decide, if Adobe sues, which they should | Jul 14 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | classic bundling | Jul 14 20:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | using the power of the monopoly | Jul 14 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft spinner Ed Bott spins bad survey for MS | Jul 14 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | And the Microsoft bloggers do the parrot game | Jul 14 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Amazing! | Jul 14 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is a amrketing/PR company | Jul 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | They could make W-E the management | Jul 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | And they surround it with -code moneys- well, Microsoft just buys companies, it doesn't make products | Jul 14 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Good riddance | Jul 14 20:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it maybe you are right Roy, and MS just uses its allies in the OEM's, like Hp to infect computers with Silverlight | Jul 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3 is a troll | Jul 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Is this who you talked abotu? | Jul 14 20:43 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, you notice who I never replied to | Jul 14 20:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | more than a troll | Jul 14 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Not MinceR | Jul 14 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Although MinceR should quits the death wishes to people. He gives ammo to our critics | Jul 14 20:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would be curious about the silverlight installation | Jul 14 20:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, its hard for MinceR or anyone to do when he is being unfairly insulted. Other than that, MinceR is right on target with his comments. | Jul 14 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: need your help | Jul 14 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Remember lobbyists lists? | Jul 14 20:51 |
| schestowitz | The one with Pearly Dad Gates and Son? | Jul 14 20:51 |
| schestowitz | We have a similar list for EU | Jul 14 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Now.. | Jul 14 20:51 |
| schestowitz | MS has a list of "technical evangelists" in its Web site | Jul 14 20:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://silverlight.net/forums/t/68488.aspx | Jul 14 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Google "technical evangelist" IIRC | Jul 14 20:51 |
| schestowitz | We need to put those names in the Wiki | Jul 14 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Then track their activity in people's blogs | Jul 14 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Because they do legwork (=shilling0 | Jul 14 20:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it would appear that it is an optional update through windows update | Jul 14 20:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If I read that link correctly | Jul 14 20:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Robert Scoble is the 2nd hit | Jul 14 20:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for technical evangelist | Jul 14 20:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @amrhassan: Just discovered that installing ntfsprogs gives gparted NTFS superpowers. Awesome. | Jul 14 20:55 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | But even optional, if Silverlight is part of the Windows Update, its still a violation | Jul 14 20:55 |
| wallclimber | wow, things seem to be heating up today... | Jul 14 20:55 |
| wallclimber | i just finished reading BN's newest articles | Jul 14 20:56 |
| wallclimber | sizzling! | Jul 14 20:56 |
| wallclimber | Good job exposing the shills and 'turfers Roy! | Jul 14 20:57 |
| wallclimber | Microsoft is such a mess. | Jul 14 20:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I might even add another comment on the shill you exposed Roy | Jul 14 20:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as he has not expressed any regret | Jul 14 20:59 |
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| wallclimber | Chips, do MS people ever express regret? | Jul 14 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Hi, wallclimber | Jul 14 21:02 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | wallclimber, good point | Jul 14 21:02 |
| _Goblin | hello all! | Jul 14 21:02 |
| wallclimber | Hi! | Jul 14 21:02 |
| _Goblin | hi chips! Long time no type! | Jul 14 21:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Goblin | Jul 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, they express no regrets | Jul 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm not feeding him | Jul 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | And I disabled comments | Jul 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Because I know what happens otherwise | Jul 14 21:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Sorry, Goblin, been busy lately | Jul 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | All the TEs and friends come and do damage control | Jul 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Not only in blogs | Jul 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Also in USENET | Jul 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | It's one of those subjects where they change the subject and then attack the messenger | Jul 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | And diffuse the original debate | Jul 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | To perfume what they do | Jul 14 21:04 |
| wallclimber | i don't know how they can call it damage control, their comments generally just feed the flames and | Jul 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | They are spinners, don't underestimate their nerve | Jul 14 21:04 |
| wallclimber | bring more attention to themselves | Jul 14 21:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The shills/trolls are mosting M$ ones, the ones connected with Mono usually have a M$ link somehow I think | Jul 14 21:04 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: no | Jul 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft expresses regrets | Jul 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | That it gets caught | Jul 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Like in OOXML | Jul 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | They regretted.. | Jul 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Getting caught... regrets over being sloppy | Jul 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Honest. | Jul 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm not joking | Jul 14 21:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but its fake regret | Jul 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | They are inherently evil many of them | Jul 14 21:05 |
| schestowitz | “Microsoft is, I think, fundamentally an evil company.” --Former Netscape Chairman James H. Clark | Jul 14 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Just see their handbooks | Jul 14 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Jul 14 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Developers are "one-night stands" | Jul 14 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I wonder is James P is married and if so, what did his wife think about his talks? | Jul 14 21:06 |
| wallclimber | does 3096 need transcribing? | Jul 14 21:07 |
| wallclimber | :) | Jul 14 21:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy:I noticed a troll comment back a day or two, first comment on one of your articles, by "andre" While its not important to waste time on, do you know right off if that was Andre de Costa? The M$ Shill, free laptop guy? | Jul 14 21:07 |
| wallclimber | I think MS regretted that they didn't notice Google until it was too late to squash them | Jul 14 21:09 |
| wallclimber | They MAY regret SCO someday | Jul 14 21:10 |
| wallclimber | I just dropped in to say hi (lunch break), Goblin, Chips, Roy, keep up the good work | Jul 14 21:11 |
| wallclimber | bye for now :) | Jul 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: no, Groklaw has the text | Jul 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I sent it to PJ | Jul 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Part of it at the right timing | Jul 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | So others helped | Jul 14 21:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Wallclimber, M$ was even further behind in their thinking. They thought that having control of the browser was everything. They thought everyone would leave the home page set to MS.com. They had no idea that users would set their home page to the best web search engine, which would become in the the portal | Jul 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | It was when Jeliffe did his shilling | Jul 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | And she used this as an appendage to show his role | Jul 14 21:12 |
| wallclimber | ok, I remember that | Jul 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | ChanServ: no, Andre is from FFII | Jul 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | * Chips_B_Malroy | Jul 14 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Thanks Roy | Jul 14 21:13 |
| wallclimber | It's funny, i have a sister that thinks she isn't online unless she signs in to MSN | Jul 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jul 14 21:14 |
| wallclimber | sad, really... | Jul 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | What is "online"? | Jul 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | When the blue E spin | Jul 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jul 14 21:14 |
| wallclimber | yes that's it exactly...lol | Jul 14 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it really was not so out of line at the time, the thinking, remember when many had their home page set as AOL.com? | Jul 14 21:15 |
| wallclimber | yes I remember the AOL days, but it does seem hard to get people with always-on Internet service to understand that things have changed | Jul 14 21:16 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people think the Internet is the Web | Jul 14 21:16 |
| schestowitz | And that blue E is an "Internet" feature | Jul 14 21:16 |
| schestowitz | That the Internet is "opened" when they click on "that E windows" | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | That's the conceptual model they | Jul 14 21:17 |
| wallclimber | my sister signs into some sort of "Live" MSN thing | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | That's the conceptual model they have | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft capitalises on this ignorance | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Many people think Windows is part of the computer... ANY computer | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | That it's being manufactured with Windows inside it | Jul 14 21:17 |
| wallclimber | yes they do, absolutely, they love to keep people stupid so they can go on and on about how stupid people are | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | The "Windows key" and Windows stickers don't help | Jul 14 21:17 |
| wallclimber | makes me crazy | Jul 14 21:18 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You rang? | Jul 14 21:18 |
| schestowitz | They make the computer seem property/captive of Microsoft | Jul 14 21:18 |
| schestowitz | And in Dell's site: | Jul 14 21:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] IBM Power servers most reliable in new survey: http://is.gd/1yOz8 -> Windows Server machines performed worse than most competitors... | Jul 14 21:18 | |
| schestowitz | They list Ubuntu under "Microsoft operating sysyetm" | Jul 14 21:18 |
| wallclimber | i have a meeting in a few minutes (yikes!), must run... | Jul 14 21:18 |
| tessier | BING = Bing Is No Google | Jul 14 21:18 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I haven't. | Jul 14 21:18 |
| tessier | ROFL. Brilliant! | Jul 14 21:18 |
| schestowitz | But we had DDOS maybe | Jul 14 21:18 |
| tessier | schestowitz: oh, ok. Must have been old. | Jul 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Some long downtime | Jul 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | heavy load | Jul 14 21:19 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Yes, I noticed that the machine hit a lot of swap this morning. | Jul 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | About 5 hours ago | Jul 14 21:19 |
| wallclimber | bye everyone | Jul 14 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: reason known? | Jul 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I tailed the log | Jul 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Couldn't see anything obvious | Jul 14 21:19 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I haven't looked into it. By the time I got to my computer everything seemed ok. | Jul 14 21:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy the fact that your site is atracking so many M$ Shills to comment and even inhabit the IRC, is proof that BN is a worry and problem to M$. De Costa has posted here in the past several times, and may use nymths, as he does other places. That fact that he and other comfirmed shills post, is not entirely a bad thing, as long as they can be exposed. | Jul 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: the BING acronym is intentional | Jul 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Jul 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they game comment ratings | Jul 14 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Some have multiple IPs | Jul 14 21:20 |
| schestowitz | They can rate their own comments somehow | Jul 14 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Very, very suspicious | Jul 14 21:20 |
| tessier | Oh, they did that on purpose? That's odd. I took it to be an insult. As in google is better. | Jul 14 21:20 |
| schestowitz | tessier: they think they are another GNU | Jul 14 21:21 |
| schestowitz | the Dark gnu | Jul 14 21:21 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I didn't pay much attention to the pages I got this morning because I had just revamped the monitoring system and thought they were false alarms. | Jul 14 21:21 |
| schestowitz | poops in your garden and asks for toilet paper | Jul 14 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, yes I see they have been rigging the comments and the article ratings as well. They use a proxy to do that of course, and a nymph | Jul 14 21:22 |
| MinceR | nymph? | Jul 14 21:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | u might set a cookie to block them | Jul 14 21:23 |
| *trmanco yum yum | Jul 14 21:23 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cookie could also tell you if they have voted b4 as another name, but I doubt you would do this | Jul 14 21:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | still could give you some interesting data | Jul 14 21:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | on the shills that do not clear their cache | Jul 14 21:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR: Nymph=name change here | Jul 14 21:26 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 14 21:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most would fall for the cookie trap | Jul 14 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they can rate by changing browsers | Jul 14 21:31 |
| schestowitz | The software is deficient | Jul 14 21:32 |
| schestowitz | So if I run from Konq I could in principle be logged off and get karma, but I don't do this. /they/ do. | Jul 14 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no cookie for trolls | Jul 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | No soup for you! | Jul 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Welcome Lisa Graves, CMD's New Executive Director http://www.prwatch.org/node/8461 | Jul 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Many shifts there in SourceWatch | Jul 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | They have nice documentation | Jul 14 21:33 |
| schestowitz | "Once again Patrick Moore, a former Greenpeace activist, has been promoting nuclear power as a solution to global warming without disclosing that he is a consultant to the Nuclear Energy Institute's front group, the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition. " http://www.prwatch.org/node/8459 Scam | Jul 14 21:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok, yes, its not a big deal. Their gaming is anything is immature. | Jul 14 21:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe I'll move more into that in the future | Jul 14 21:37 |
| schestowitz | When Linux wins | Jul 14 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, I have wasted enough of your time here Roy. Thanks for letting me join the discussion, and carry on the good work, which you and PJ both do. Bye | Jul 14 21:37 |
| schestowitz | On the desktop that is | Jul 14 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Steel is out. Good riddance (you needn't say nice things just because people depart) http://ping.fm/HSiHt | Jul 14 21:37 | |
| _Goblin | Take care chips! | Jul 14 21:38 |
| _Goblin | See you soon. | Jul 14 21:38 |
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| _Goblin | I miss the Microsoft-Watch days! | Jul 14 21:39 |
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| yuhong | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090709/1907055504.shtml | Jul 14 21:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: hehe. | Jul 14 21:43 |
| schestowitz | It's funny. MS Watch family | Jul 14 21:43 |
| schestowitz | But they were small, no? | Jul 14 21:43 |
| schestowitz | A clique of Microsoft partner and laptop holders | Jul 14 21:43 |
| schestowitz | And many Linux users of course | Jul 14 21:43 |
| schestowitz | And then there's Microsoft Joe | Jul 14 21:43 |
| schestowitz | I'm glad it closed... less sites for me to read | Jul 14 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Tectonic shuts down too | Jul 14 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Less workload = more Comes antitrust | Jul 14 21:44 |
| yuhong | Peer to Patent shuts down as well. | Jul 14 21:45 |
| yuhong | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090709/1907055504.shtml | Jul 14 21:45 |
| yuhong | And on Google, here is a blog article from Matt Cutts, a Google employee: | Jul 14 21:46 |
| yuhong | http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/taking-google-feedback/ | Jul 14 21:46 |
| yuhong | Google is not perfect, but is definitely much better than Microsoft. | Jul 14 21:46 |
| yuhong | And definitely less evil than MS would led you to believe. | Jul 14 21:47 |
| schestowitz | tessier: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Openmoko-Gets-New-Life-in-Brazil-After-Being-Declared-Dead | Jul 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: no | Jul 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | It's flase report | Jul 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | It's alive | Jul 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Peer 2 patent also E-mailed me | Jul 14 21:48 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: tell me when Google breaks laws | Jul 14 21:49 |
| schestowitz | "Evil" is a vague notion | Jul 14 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Like "naughty girl" | Jul 14 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is distrusted because it has a heavy criminal past | Jul 14 21:50 |
| yuhong | Yep, exactly. | Jul 14 21:50 |
| yuhong | That is my point. | Jul 14 21:50 |
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| _Goblin | wow....Astralknight has been busy on Twitter today.... | Jul 14 21:53 |
| MinceR | i thought "evil" was a pretty clear concept | Jul 14 21:53 |
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| Balrog | ahahah | Jul 14 21:57 |
| Balrog | http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2015/youtubeie6.png | Jul 14 21:57 |
| Balrog | youtube will stop working on ie6 | Jul 14 21:57 |
| schestowitz | ah | Jul 14 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I se... | Jul 14 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Needs context | Jul 14 21:58 |
| schestowitz | youtube ie6 png | Jul 14 21:59 |
| Balrog | it shows the banner that youtube is showing ie6 users | Jul 14 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I wondered at first | Jul 14 22:00 |
| schestowitz | For obvious reasons, y'know :-) | Jul 14 22:01 |
| schestowitz | IE8 first, then..... | Jul 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | it seems to be random | Jul 14 22:01 |
| MinceR | on another screenshot i saw it was chrome,ie,ff | Jul 14 22:01 |
| trmanco | that's certainly fair | Jul 14 22:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #freecycle #e17 2-drawer A4 filing cabinet. argos, cheap and cheerful. holds paper. 16kg. please take it away before it goes on the kerb. | Jul 14 22:05 | |
| _Goblin | sorry roy, got distracted for a photoshoot! I used to love MS-watch...I made many online friends there. A great place for the Linux user! | Jul 14 22:06 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: need help | Jul 14 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Did you see my advice to chips? | Jul 14 22:07 |
| schestowitz | We need a list of MS "evangelists" | Jul 14 22:07 |
| schestowitz | For starters | Jul 14 22:07 |
| _Goblin | ah... | Jul 14 22:07 |
| _Goblin | I had a list of loads on twitter. | Jul 14 22:07 |
| _Goblin | I am sure I made a post on it... | Jul 14 22:07 |
| _Goblin | Ive collected many from people emailing me...thats why I challenge so many and how I find out about them. | Jul 14 22:08 |
| _Goblin | Mr Hussain was the latest from www.ithinkdiff.com | Jul 14 22:08 |
| _Goblin | he likes to swear and threaten. | Jul 14 22:08 |
| _Goblin | and lie. | Jul 14 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Damn, I should have saved that page | Jul 14 22:08 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: is he on MS payroll? | Jul 14 22:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft is hiring shills (they call it "TE") http://ping.fm/UaeSn | Jul 14 22:09 | |
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| _Goblin | I think he is more of a "giftaid" case. | Jul 14 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Dman | Jul 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I need that list | Jul 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It was on ms.com | Jul 14 22:10 |
| schestowitz | An extensive long list of TEs | Jul 14 22:10 |
| _Goblin | I can start looking through my list of people....its difficult though to distingish between gift aiders and pay rollers..... | Jul 14 22:11 |
| _Goblin | although one could argue is almost the same thing. | Jul 14 22:11 |
| _Goblin | bb in a min, I have another photo to be taken. | Jul 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/TheChannel9Team/Robert-Hess-What-is-a-technology-evangelist/ | Jul 14 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Ha! | Jul 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Bingo! | Jul 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/bb905079.aspx | Jul 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: can you do me a favour? | Jul 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | I need that list trimmed down to just name and duty | Jul 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | comma-delimited | Jul 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | We need this for the Wiki | Jul 14 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Like: "Brian Gorbett , Developer Evangelist" | Jul 14 22:14 |
| _Goblin | Ill see what I can do. | Jul 14 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jul 14 22:17 |
| schestowitz | I'll prepare a Wiki template | Jul 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | They will beheve better if they know they are watched | Jul 14 22:18 |
| schestowitz | *have | Jul 14 22:18 |
| _Goblin | I have a new term which Ive noticed recently....."Microsoft Outsider" what the hell is that supposed to be? | Jul 14 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Facebook employees are offered $14.77 a share http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1433401/facebook-employees-offered-usd14-77-share | Jul 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: no idea, new to me | Jul 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's like those religious words for people not from your religion | Jul 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Like gentile | Jul 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "Outsider" | Jul 14 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sees itself as a religion | Jul 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | While at the same time calling Linux and Apple that | Jul 14 22:21 |
| _Goblin | possibly...or maybe its "Microsoft shill and gift reciever wannabe" | Jul 14 22:21 |
| schestowitz | They are hypocrites | Jul 14 22:21 |
| _Goblin | I am wondering if that tactic works....Ive always wanted a Bentley. Maybe if I shill them enough I will get sent one... | Jul 14 22:21 |
| _Goblin | Bentley cars are great you know..... | Jul 14 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Jul 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Put em on ebay | Jul 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | BTW... | Jul 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Some Linux site (maybe sites)... | Jul 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Well, I don't like what they do... | Jul 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | But I'm friend with the Webmaster | Jul 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Basically they get free gear ti review | Jul 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | They don't need to return it | Jul 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | So they can auction the thing | Jul 14 22:25 |
| _Goblin | lol..just looking at that job advert for DE..... | Jul 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I.e. be paid to review it | Jul 14 22:25 |
| _Goblin | Quote "DE's must be able to talk about technology intelligently and enthusiastically to Developers, Developer managers and senior management. Passion, curiosity, technical depth, and exceptional communication and presentation skills are required." | Jul 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Paid by the company sening it | Jul 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | *dsending | Jul 14 22:25 |
| _Goblin | that rules out all of the shills Ive ever argued with. | Jul 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Ones like Andre are not TEs | Jul 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | They are useful idiots looking for schwag | Jul 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft gives it to them | Jul 14 22:26 |
| _Goblin | lol...have you seen Andres latest cracker? | Jul 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | They are cheaper shills | Jul 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Andre is begone, no? | Jul 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Never seen him since his favbourite 'site' closed | Jul 14 22:26 |
| _Goblin | let me quote it: | Jul 14 22:27 |
| _Goblin | this is good, so stand by. | Jul 14 22:27 |
| _Goblin | this shows that there are no depths they wont stoop to.... | Jul 14 22:27 |
| _Goblin | (am I building the hype???)) | Jul 14 22:27 |
| _Goblin | here it is: | Jul 14 22:27 |
| _Goblin | ""Looking at some family pics of MJ, I can see he was a PC user, too bad he didn't live to see Windows 7´´" | Jul 14 22:27 |
| _Goblin | thats singularly the most repulsive and low comment I've ever seen....whilst Im no fan of MJ, to bring his death into a pro Vista 7 comment is beyond outragous. | Jul 14 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/07/parenting-gold-star.html | Jul 14 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Linus' blog is quiet | Jul 14 22:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/torvalds/ | Jul 14 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Meh. | Jul 14 22:33 |
| schestowitz | So old | Jul 14 22:33 |
| _Goblin | got my record views yesterday on my blog.... | Jul 14 22:33 |
| _Goblin | 862 | Jul 14 22:33 |
| _Goblin | before the Wolvix review my highest was 528 | Jul 14 22:34 |
| _Goblin | and my daily average was 270 | Jul 14 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Do you do the TE list? | Jul 14 22:34 |
| schestowitz | If not, I will | Jul 14 22:34 |
| _Goblin | I can with what ive got....I am a little concerned when trying to differentiate between giftaid and payroll.... | Jul 14 22:34 |
| _Goblin | for fear of libel.. | Jul 14 22:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/168331/why_is_opensolaris_gathering_dust_on_a_shelf_at_oracle.html | Jul 14 22:35 |
| _Goblin | but looking at my challenges, Id guess most of them are giftaid. | Jul 14 22:35 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: which ones? | Jul 14 22:35 |
| schestowitz | The TEs in the MSDN site are payroll-ed | Jul 14 22:36 |
| schestowitz | We need them indexed for reference and learning via Wiki | Jul 14 22:36 |
| _Goblin | Ill have to go through my blog.....the Neowin ones I beleive are giftaiders... | Jul 14 22:36 |
| schestowitz | I know some of the names | Jul 14 22:36 |
| schestowitz | We need to index the activity | Jul 14 22:36 |
| _Goblin | Marshallus on Twitter is not payroll.. | Jul 14 22:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: MSPs | Jul 14 22:36 |
| schestowitz | You know that? | Jul 14 22:36 |
| _Goblin | MSP? | Jul 14 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 14 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Search BN for MSP | Jul 14 22:36 |
| schestowitz | You'll see | Jul 14 22:37 |
| _Goblin | ok looking now... | Jul 14 22:37 |
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| _Goblin | it says no results... | Jul 14 22:37 |
| *schestowitz makes some tea | Jul 14 22:38 | |
| _Goblin | Hi tacone! | Jul 14 22:38 |
| tacone | hello guys | Jul 14 22:39 |
| tacone | i can't find the will power to finish yet another mono article | Jul 14 22:39 |
| desu | something like this? http://www.nopaste.com/p/a5kqnhXJW | Jul 14 22:39 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I have material | Jul 14 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Other than today's mono post | Jul 14 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26224/1090/ | Jul 14 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Let this inspire you | Jul 14 22:40 |
| tacone | i'm trying to post on the last 2 campaign | Jul 14 22:40 |
| schestowitz | See how he links to Byfielf | Jul 14 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Hilarious! | Jul 14 22:40 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: try http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+msps&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Jul 14 22:41 |
| _Goblin | ok. | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | One MSP censored me | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Some gal from India | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft exploit young and/or poor students | Jul 14 22:41 |
| _Goblin | ah....sorry I thought you meant search using BN search... | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Old news, but more facts are seen here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/india-moves-to-free-software/ | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | You said Neowin is run by such st00dents | Jul 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | st00pids | Jul 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: BiNg Search | Jul 14 22:42 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jul 14 22:42 |
| trmanco | Bong | Jul 14 22:42 |
| *schestowitz smoked bong | Jul 14 22:42 | |
| *schestowitz sips tea | Jul 14 22:42 | |
| trmanco | Bing Bang search | Jul 14 22:42 |
| *schestowitz smokes bong again | Jul 14 22:43 | |
| *schestowitz seaches with bing | Jul 14 22:43 | |
| *schestowitz commits suicide | Jul 14 22:43 | |
| _Goblin | Managed service provider....I see now.... | Jul 14 22:43 |
| *tacone is trying to planning a return in france | Jul 14 22:43 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: no | Jul 14 22:43 |
| _Goblin | Bing Is No Good. | Jul 14 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe there is another MSP | Jul 14 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Another acronym I mean | Jul 14 22:44 |
| _Goblin | Ah, the description here seems to fit: | Jul 14 22:44 |
| _Goblin | http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-msp.htm | Jul 14 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Bong is needing grass | Jul 14 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Or BING in short | Jul 14 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is high | Jul 14 22:45 |
| schestowitz | It thinks it can beat Google without DCs | Jul 14 22:45 |
| schestowitz | One caught fire last week | Jul 14 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Bong Travel was oiffline for ages | Jul 14 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Kayak must have been happy | Jul 14 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft ripped them off | Jul 14 22:45 |
| schestowitz | IIRC it's "Microsoft Student partner" | Jul 14 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Kind of like Indians who serves as shills for the British when it was a colony | Jul 14 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Hurting their very own countryman | Jul 14 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Helping the foreign invader in exchange for gifts | Jul 14 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I explained this to one MSP | Jul 14 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I kid you not he was shocked | Jul 14 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Embarrassed of himself | Jul 14 22:47 |
| schestowitz | young and stupid | Jul 14 22:47 |
| schestowitz | We have his realise what he was doing to India and *for* Microsoft | Jul 14 22:47 |
| schestowitz | See the comments in some of these posts. You'll see | Jul 14 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Something like, "oh no! I'm going to hell" | Jul 14 22:47 |
| schestowitz | No sarcasm | Jul 14 22:47 |
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| trmanco | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnote-list/2009-July/msg00002.html | Jul 14 22:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello everyone again, Hey Goblin you still got your ears on? | Jul 14 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | ImageShack hacked in oddball security protest http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/13/imageshack_hack/ | Jul 14 22:52 |
| schestowitz | hey, malroy | Jul 14 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I found that page | Jul 14 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Of TEs | Jul 14 22:52 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin extracts the names | Jul 14 22:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Gnote 0.5.3 has been released -> http://is.gd/1yTJU | Jul 14 22:53 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy. Just trying to get Goblin to check his email. Sent him a link showing Wilcox defending de Costa as a fan only | Jul 14 22:53 |
| desu | schestowitz: did you see my previous link? | Jul 14 22:53 |
| tacone | desu = thanks | Jul 14 22:54 |
| tacone | isn't it ? | Jul 14 22:54 |
| schestowitz | desu: which one? | Jul 14 22:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @trmanco Gnote 0.5.3 has been released -> http://is.gd/1yTJU | Jul 14 22:54 | |
| desu | schestowitz: http://www.nopaste.com/p/a5kqnhXJW | Jul 14 22:54 |
| desu | tacone: desu = to be :P | Jul 14 22:54 |
| tacone | no, desu = please | Jul 14 22:54 |
| desu | o.o | Jul 14 22:54 |
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| desu | which language? | Jul 14 22:54 |
| tacone | japanese | Jul 14 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Ah!! | Jul 14 22:55 |
| desu | o.o | Jul 14 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Excellent! | Jul 14 22:55 |
| desu | desu = to be | Jul 14 22:55 |
| tacone | ai desu | Jul 14 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot | Jul 14 22:55 |
| tacone | no, maybe ai dozo. | Jul 14 22:55 |
| *schestowitz created Wiki page for drafting posts | Jul 14 22:55 | |
| desu | schestowitz: there's a hidden "country" feild too... would you like that too? | Jul 14 22:55 |
| desu | tacone: ai = love... | Jul 14 22:55 |
| desu | dozo = please (as in, "have this please") | Jul 14 22:55 |
| tacone | desu: ai = yes not just love | Jul 14 22:55 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/First-Zero-Day-Exploit-for-Firefox-3-5--/news/113761 | Jul 14 22:55 |
| trmanco | ha | Jul 14 22:55 |
| desu | hai = yes :/ | Jul 14 22:56 |
| trmanco | Windows only vuln in FF 3.5? | Jul 14 22:56 |
| schestowitz | desu: yes, if it's not much trouble | Jul 14 22:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I refuse to post on Wilcox's new site | Jul 14 22:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dubya surveillance exceeded warrantless wiretaps http://ping.fm/1cQas | Jul 14 22:56 | |
| tacone | desu: yes, i mistaken desu for dozo | Jul 14 22:56 |
| desu | lol, it's jsut a small js | Jul 14 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: don't | Jul 14 22:56 |
| schestowitz | It makes him write more | Jul 14 22:56 |
| schestowitz | And he's pro-Vole | Jul 14 22:56 |
| tacone | desu: are you from japan or just practicing jap disciplines ? | Jul 14 22:57 |
| trmanco | Slow Firefox 3.5 start up time: http://www.h-online.com/security/Slow-Firefox-3-5-start-up-time--/news/113757 | Jul 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | We also have this list: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/21/list-microsoft-and-gates-lobbyists/ | Jul 14 22:58 |
| tacone | trmanco: chromium alpha used to start up before the click on the icon :) | Jul 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | tacone: jason of mono-nono is in Japan | Jul 14 22:58 |
| trmanco | that's what mozilla get for supporting windows :-P | Jul 14 22:58 |
| trmanco | tacone, used? or starts up? | Jul 14 22:58 |
| trmanco | that's only on linux though | Jul 14 22:58 |
| schestowitz | tacone: like IE does with shared libs | Jul 14 22:58 |
| trmanco | on windows it's somehwhat slower to startup | Jul 14 22:59 |
| tacone | trmanco: i didn't tried last version. but it was istantanoues | Jul 14 22:59 |
| tacone | it was slower to close than to start | Jul 14 22:59 |
| trmanco | tacone, it still is | Jul 14 22:59 |
| trmanco | I'm using daily builds | Jul 14 22:59 |
| desu | tacone: just a weaboo :P | Jul 14 22:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | attack Silverlight for the auto updates (if its true) and you also attack mono | Jul 14 22:59 |
| trmanco | not really | Jul 14 22:59 |
| tacone | chromium is awesome. it shot a load of pepper in mozilla's butt | Jul 14 22:59 |
| desu | btw, regarding that MSP thing, there's a university next to mine which is an MSP... | Jul 14 22:59 |
| *trmanco achim | Jul 14 22:59 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: but it has fur | Jul 14 23:00 |
| trmanco | I still prefer Firefox though | Jul 14 23:00 |
| tacone | schestowitz: ? | Jul 14 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Firefox butt | Jul 14 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Can't pepper it | Jul 14 23:00 |
| trmanco | haha | Jul 14 23:01 |
| trmanco | what about if it's bald? | Jul 14 23:01 |
| tacone | chromium brought competition to every browser | Jul 14 23:02 |
| tacone | before the war was just about standard | Jul 14 23:02 |
| tacone | now it's about speed. and that feels good. | Jul 14 23:02 |
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| desu | http://www.nopaste.com/p/aPAPDisFy | Jul 14 23:03 |
| schestowitz | NASA promises 'greatly improved' Moon landing footage < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/14/moon_landing_footage/ > | Jul 14 23:04 |
| trmanco | yep | Jul 14 23:04 |
| trmanco | it's very smooth | Jul 14 23:04 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's like the unicorn | Jul 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Mythical animal | Jul 14 23:05 |
| trmanco | tab dragging for example | Jul 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | But based on the pictures it's all fur | Jul 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Cuddly firefox.. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/323197997_5176664a77.jpg?v=0 | Jul 14 23:05 |
| trmanco | haha | Jul 14 23:06 |
| trmanco | how about the firefox girl? | Jul 14 23:06 |
| schestowitz | desu: thanks a million | Jul 14 23:06 |
| desu | you're welcome | Jul 14 23:06 |
| tacone | http://www.theopensourcerer.com/?p=1461 | Jul 14 23:07 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what girl? | Jul 14 23:08 |
| trmanco | the porn photoshop hoax | Jul 14 23:08 |
| trmanco | http://www.webair.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/hot-firefox-girl.jpg | Jul 14 23:08 |
| trmanco | ballmer goes nuts again | Jul 14 23:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Ballmer Goes Nuts Again, Gets Confused As to What Type of Venue He's At: http://is.gd/1yUGE | Jul 14 23:11 | |
| tacone | banshee about to fail karmic inclusion ? | Jul 14 23:11 |
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| TaQ | hey, did you guys see that? http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/14/banshee-ui-to-be-in-moonlight/ | Jul 14 23:14 |
| trmanco | tacone, where did you see that? | Jul 14 23:14 |
| tacone | apebox | Jul 14 23:15 |
| tacone | trmanco: jo shield's blog | Jul 14 23:15 |
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| trmanco | I C | Jul 14 23:16 |
| tacone | uhhh please stop talking about mono | Jul 14 23:17 |
| tacone | please stop !.. | Jul 14 23:17 |
| tacone | stupid freaks, they don't even realize that people wouldn't even know about mono if it wasn't for anti-mono guys :D | Jul 14 23:17 |
| TaQ | tacone: I don't think so. :-) | Jul 14 23:17 |
| tacone | there are like 20 mono apps in the ubuntu repositories | Jul 14 23:18 |
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| tacone | and people wonder why devs are actracted to mono | Jul 14 23:18 |
| tacone | hint: they aren't. | Jul 14 23:18 |
| tacone | they're desperate to get devs to try mono, that's the truth. | Jul 14 23:19 |
| tacone | if you strip novell sponsored apps like banshee and iFolder what's left ? | Jul 14 23:19 |
| TaQ | tacone: of course, like microsoft is desperate to devs like things like visual studio | Jul 14 23:19 |
| trmanco | http://abock.org/blog-images/gcds-banshee-platform.png | Jul 14 23:19 |
| TaQ | trmanco: cool uh (btw, I'm ironic)? :-) | Jul 14 23:20 |
| trmanco | c00l? that just mad me sad | Jul 14 23:21 |
| trmanco | made* | Jul 14 23:21 |
| tacone | rms sexist stuff http://mdzlog.alcor.net/?p=449 | Jul 14 23:21 |
| tacone | by the canonical ceo | Jul 14 23:21 |
| TaQ | trmanco: as I said, I was being ironic | Jul 14 23:22 |
| trmanco | yeah, I didn't skip that | Jul 14 23:23 |
| trmanco | part | Jul 14 23:23 |
| trmanco | I was just saying how I'm feeling right now | Jul 14 23:23 |
| schestowitz | desu: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Technical_Evangelists | Jul 14 23:24 |
| schestowitz | See if you can find errors... | Jul 14 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I think I found a smoking gun | Jul 14 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I thought Brian Prince was from Gartner | Jul 14 23:25 |
| schestowitz | But maybe it's another "Prince" | Jul 14 23:25 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yeah, I know the feeling | Jul 14 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I also don't want to hear about OOXML | Jul 14 23:26 |
| schestowitz | But I can't ignore that MASSIVE fraud | Jul 14 23:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @robbieferguson http://Category5.TV - the live tech broadcast is soon to begin. Join the live chat room to get your questions in. | Jul 14 23:27 | |
| tacone | schestowitz: i can't understand what that guy is saying. | Jul 14 23:27 |
| desu | umm... finding errors would be difficult since it was created automatically via a javascript :/ | Jul 14 23:27 |
| tacone | what's his stance ? | Jul 14 23:27 |
| schestowitz | desu: short intro placeholder | Jul 14 23:28 |
| schestowitz | It'll grow over time | Jul 14 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I recognise some of them | Jul 14 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Each one has his own shilling secrets | Jul 14 23:28 |
| schestowitz | A little fiver here and there... some lunch with someone... exchancging favours, I guess... crashing events | Jul 14 23:29 |
| desu | oh | Jul 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz | So it was true... | Jul 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Banshee for video.. | Jul 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz | For everything | Jul 14 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Windows DRM | Jul 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Novell already builds GNOME 3.0 they said | Jul 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | No specifics | Jul 14 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Now we see.. | Jul 14 23:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Oops he did it again! – Ballmer has another one of his “moments”? http://tinyurl.com/mnw39g #microsoft #windows #windows7 #7 #vista | Jul 14 23:31 | |
| schestowitz | Ballmer needs counsellings | Jul 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | These people can't walk out on the street safely | Jul 14 23:32 |
| schestowitz | If they don't take him to the doctor he'll break more furniture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVMy0PFr8no | Jul 14 23:33 |
| trmanco | Banshee to take them to the bathroom, and Banshee to wipe there asses after that too | Jul 14 23:34 |
| trmanco | they should really start a desktop environment based on mono | Jul 14 23:35 |
| trmanco | I suggest MonoDrop | Jul 14 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer must be an abusive patent and spouse. He's scaringly eccentric and in a violent way | Jul 14 23:35 |
| schestowitz | It's not about personal life as much as about character in business | Jul 14 23:36 |
| trmanco | to stop the gnome poisoning | Jul 14 23:36 |
| trmanco | and future kde too | Jul 14 23:36 |
| schestowitz | You can realise why Microsoft commits many crimes when you see such videos | Jul 14 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | One guy thinks he's a monster that controls the world | Jul 14 23:36 |
| schestowitz | (that's pinky) | Jul 14 23:36 |
| tacone | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/14/banshee-ui-to-be-in-moonlight/ is scaring indeed | Jul 14 23:36 |
| schestowitz | And another conceited guy mocks the judges | Jul 14 23:36 |
| tacone | very scaring. | Jul 14 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Sports site sues Facebook for click fraud http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/14/rootzoo_sues_facebook_for_click_fraud/ | Jul 14 23:40 |
| tacone | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2009/07/10/678-i-write-code lol | Jul 14 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer is now spreading Chrome OS FUD | Jul 14 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Like he did with Android | Jul 14 23:49 |
| schestowitz | "it's words on paper" | Jul 14 23:49 |
| schestowitz | And now it's taking market from Windows Mobile | Jul 14 23:49 |
| schestowitz | tacone: he doesn't need tp "be afraid" | Jul 14 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Cause he's not working for Redmond | Jul 14 23:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawsuit Filed Against Stimulus Act http://ping.fm/P47li | Jul 14 23:52 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I keep trying to show the M$ Shills that they need to have some kind of code of honestly, but they have no shame. | Jul 14 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Asay calls those who don't want MS in FOSS "Extremists"? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10286679-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad | Jul 14 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they have none | Jul 14 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Just ignore them | Jul 14 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Don't open up for them | Jul 14 23:58 |
| schestowitz | it's poor investment of time to engage with shills | Jul 14 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Stay on topic, promote FS | Jul 14 23:59 |
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