| schestowitz | Yes, on my main desktop ATM I use Mandriva | Jul 16 00:00 |
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| HoustonLawy3r | why do this over IM? | Jul 16 00:00 |
| schestowitz | PCLinuxOS is good too | Jul 16 00:00 |
| schestowitz | I used it for a week | Jul 16 00:00 |
| schestowitz | HoustonLawy3r: faster | Jul 16 00:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Positive Effects of Google's Linux OS on the Jobs Market http://ping.fm/ehlX7 | Jul 16 00:00 | |
| schestowitz | Twits are short | Jul 16 00:00 |
| HoustonLawy3r | which is faster? | Jul 16 00:00 |
| schestowitz | And not interactive | Jul 16 00:00 |
| HoustonLawy3r | true, but IMs are interactive. | Jul 16 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Anyway... | Jul 16 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Linux need to diversity | Jul 16 00:00 |
| schestowitz | It makes it Stronger | Jul 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | yes, stronger | Jul 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft would love it to be one company | Jul 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | As then it could squash it the way it knows | Jul 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | And without userbase other distros will die | Jul 16 00:01 |
| HoustonLawy3r | Interesting. CompTIA teaches a Linux+ course. | Jul 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | So to spread ourselves is a good idea | Jul 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | CompTIA also has people with families | Jul 16 00:01 |
| schestowitz | They also drink water | Jul 16 00:01 |
| HoustonLawy3r | meaning what? | Jul 16 00:01 |
| HoustonLawy3r | So you're doing Mandriva just to contribute to it staying alive? I'm guessing you see Ubuntu as another Microsoft? | Jul 16 00:02 |
| schestowitz | When it comes to business, comptia attacks RMS, attacks Linux, attacks freedom | Jul 16 00:02 |
| schestowitz | it's consistent | Jul 16 00:02 |
| schestowitz | They ought to be fines, shut down, investigated, reprimanded, or something | Jul 16 00:02 |
| HoustonLawy3r | BTW, just decided on Xubuntu a few hours ago. | Jul 16 00:02 |
| schestowitz | See OOXML fiasco for details | Jul 16 00:03 |
| HoustonLawy3r | what is RMS? | Jul 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Richard M Stallman | Jul 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | HoustonLawy3r: no, I use Mandriva cause I experiment | Jul 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | As I said earlier | Jul 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | I want to try different things | Jul 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | You never know if you don't try another product | Jul 16 00:03 |
| schestowitz | I stil have Ubuntu on 3 boxes | Jul 16 00:04 |
| HoustonLawy3r | Ah, Stallman is who created Ubuntu if i remember correctly. | Jul 16 00:04 |
| schestowitz | No, that was Shuttleworth | Jul 16 00:04 |
| HoustonLawy3r | Interesting re CompTIA. Didn't know that. | Jul 16 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Stallman started the free software movement | Jul 16 00:05 |
| schestowitz | And the GNU/Linux operating systerm | Jul 16 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Back in 1983/4 | Jul 16 00:05 |
| HoustonLawy3r | hey, one not so good thing about IRC is it's real time. kids crying. gotta continue this conversation another time. | Jul 16 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Jul 16 00:06 |
| HoustonLawy3r | I was hoping to learn the difference bet. SuSE 11 and Ubuntu linux distros. | Jul 16 00:07 |
| HoustonLawy3r | any thoughts? | Jul 16 00:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Governments and Public Sector Become More Receptive to Free Software http://ping.fm/IcGGn | Jul 16 00:07 | |
| schestowitz | Very similar all of them | Jul 16 00:07 |
| schestowitz | People choose based on theme, name, brand, community or software/DE | Jul 16 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Or Package manager etc. | Jul 16 00:07 |
| HoustonLawy3r | I installed Xubuntu an hour or so ago. Will go install software and set it up shortly when kids go to sleep. | Jul 16 00:08 |
| schestowitz | For new users Mandriva is good | Jul 16 00:08 |
| HoustonLawy3r | but your opinion is they're all the same? | Jul 16 00:09 |
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| HoustonLawy3r | ? | Jul 16 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Underneath yes | Jul 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Linux+GNU+X | Jul 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Then you have GNOME and KDE to choose from in most cases | Jul 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Xfce for Xubuntu | Jul 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | So that's the first real layer of choice in desktops | Jul 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Then you have the PM (package manager) and default software | Jul 16 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and look and feel | Jul 16 00:11 |
| tacone | http://identi.ca/notice/6516937 | Jul 16 00:12 |
| tacone | what should i think about that ? | Jul 16 00:12 |
| schestowitz | he should link to himself | Jul 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "confident but misguided" | Jul 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Or link to tirania | Jul 16 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "We could refresh the look and feel of the entire desktop with Moonlight"--Miguel de Icaza | Jul 16 00:14 |
| HoustonLawy3r | good points. | Jul 16 00:14 |
| HoustonLawy3r | Being sent on an errand. We'll chat more another time. Take car Roy. | Jul 16 00:15 |
| HoustonLawy3r | care | Jul 16 00:15 |
| HoustonLawy3r | bye | Jul 16 00:15 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #mocknblock @GodsLivingWords more #christian spammers. You realise I am an atheist sodomite, right? | Jul 16 00:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Beck Finds Out That Old Copyright Model is Begone http://ping.fm/EthH8 | Jul 16 00:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Attacked Over 'Trademark' Nonsense http://ping.fm/64bfD | Jul 16 00:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Taxation Wrongly Assumed to Improve Creativity http://ping.fm/yW0XN | Jul 16 00:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Journalism -- Like Software -- Passes Back to the People http://ping.fm/Qjy0t | Jul 16 00:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] National Portrait Gallery All Proprietary http://ping.fm/DfEl2 | Jul 16 00:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Excellent Strong of Posts from Glyn Moody Show the Great Patent Scam http://ping.fm/YCzQ1 http://ping.fm/rOpUh http://ping.fm/DZhr0 | Jul 16 00:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] Pearly Gates: "We're going to make the cows that don't fart." http://ping.fm/KBtib | Jul 16 00:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Numbers Are Out: Microsoft Bong [sic] is Dying http://ping.fm/Pjv4D http://ping.fm/MgFiL | Jul 16 00:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mono Poisoning Comes from Novell/Microsoft http://ping.fm/kb1nl | Jul 16 00:54 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I am wondering how one gets two user account on CNET to post, I have seen it | Jul 16 00:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Conference to Have ODF 1.2 Session http://ping.fm/uniIR | Jul 16 00:57 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | especially a M$ shill | Jul 16 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Typical | Jul 16 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Nymphing | Jul 16 00:58 |
| schestowitz | For crowd illusion | Jul 16 00:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | da Costa | Jul 16 00:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and I found the proof again that he is Mr Dee | Jul 16 00:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Brazil Shows Its Commitment to ODF http://ping.fm/2GNH0 | Jul 16 00:59 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sent it to Goblin | Jul 16 00:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | check this out: http://www.cnet.com/8726-4_1-0.html?username=Mr.+Dee | Jul 16 00:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and this was what he changed it to later so I could not prove him as mr dee and he challedged me on MS Watch | Jul 16 01:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Malaysia is All About ODF http://ping.fm/gFMNO http://ping.fm/jro5W http://ping.fm/DrgAZ | Jul 16 01:01 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, Dee... | Jul 16 01:01 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about that | Jul 16 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Did you see?\ | Jul 16 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.cnet.com/8705-4_1-0.html?username=Mr.+Dee&tag=contentMain;contentBody#8172435 | Jul 16 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Search BN for "me dee" | Jul 16 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, the orginial infro came long ago from MS Watch | Jul 16 01:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but those links are the proof that Andre is Mr Dee | Jul 16 01:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he changed them once somehow so you could not access the old one | Jul 16 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Deeelacosa | Jul 16 01:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] jOpenDocument Proves Wider Support for OpenDocument (ODF) http://ping.fm/OBvwi | Jul 16 01:04 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | notice that they are the same posts on the same day, the account started on the same day, but the one link lists the user account as Andre Da coaster | Jul 16 01:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | same number of post 1163 | Jul 16 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Shiller galore | Jul 16 01:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | same account | Jul 16 01:05 |
| schestowitz | You can sue Microsoft, I guess | Jul 16 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Schwag too is a crime | Jul 16 01:05 |
| schestowitz | If they send gifts for people to do this | Jul 16 01:05 |
| schestowitz | It's like a paycheck to troll/AstroTurf | Jul 16 01:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I just need to find a lawyer that will work for free, LOL | Jul 16 01:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I better save the webpages and use ksnapshot this time. | Jul 16 01:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just in case Andre gets clever again | Jul 16 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The fun part for me is exposing the shills | Jul 16 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Who to sue? | Jul 16 01:09 |
| schestowitz | W-E? | Jul 16 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft? | Jul 16 01:09 |
| schestowitz | The shills? | Jul 16 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Either way, the evidence is exetnsive] | Jul 16 01:09 |
| schestowitz | I documented plenty | Jul 16 01:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Pearly Blocks Access Using Silver Lie http://ping.fm/vcBDQ | Jul 16 01:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yeah, legal threats to FAILblog will definitely erase your failure from the web. http://bit.ly/31V74 | Jul 16 01:10 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its not about sueing, its about exposing them to the public. What Roy does is expose the evil to protect freedom. | Jul 16 01:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Plot to Get People Locked in to Bad Engineering Also in HPC http://ping.fm/ph2OG | Jul 16 01:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Confirmed: Microsoft Windows Behind the Attacks in Korea http://ping.fm/4Mdq6 | Jul 16 01:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft PR(opaganda) Falls Flat on the Face http://ping.fm/JjfCn | Jul 16 01:15 | |
| schestowitz | "you might like to ask david schlesinger if he is so passionate about women's rights, why didn't he raise a stink over this: | Jul 16 01:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22320/1090/ | Jul 16 01:20 |
| schestowitz | nobody did" | Jul 16 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | Apple ends Palm Pre's iTunes charade http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/15/apple_disables_palm_pre_access_to_itunes/ | Jul 16 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | Amazon Sued Over Cracked Kindles http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/15/amazon-sued-over-cracked-kindles | Jul 16 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Well, gn | Jul 16 02:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] New military robots 'could feed on corpses' http://bit.ly/z0Kjc | Jul 16 02:32 | |
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| tessier | schestowitz: Temperature is high? What do you mean? | Jul 16 03:02 |
| tessier | oh | Jul 16 03:02 |
| tessier | As in the general atmosphere around BN. I thought you meant the server temp was high or something. :) | Jul 16 03:02 |
| *tessier has a head full of servers lately | Jul 16 03:02 | |
| tessier | RMS used to be a womanizer? Don't you have to be able to get a woman to do that? | Jul 16 03:03 |
| tessier | "pragmatist" is just a convenient excuse for doing what you think is in your own best interest no matter what | Jul 16 03:03 |
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| Hey look, Sam's chewing NP237 up. http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=7963&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=28#p51600 | Jul 16 03:31 | |
| For some reason, NP237 is visiting Sam's year old post about some Debian Developer's dumb joke that offended people. | Jul 16 03:32 | |
| Probably because he saw it here. Is NP237 the same developer that made the "Smelly Wherewolf" blunder? | Jul 16 03:33 | |
| Troll here, troll there, consistent. | Jul 16 03:34 | |
| Thinking of Trolls, Lefty made some interestingly elitist statements the other day. He tried to put down BN regulars by saying that people who don't go to free software conferences are not really part of the community. | Jul 16 03:48 | |
| Perhaps, when you work for a non free software company like ACCESS, you must get some strange ideas about the cost of travel and what a community really is. | Jul 16 03:49 | |
| The magic of free software is that people can share and cooperate from all around the world, as long as they have access to a computer. Lefty might as well have said, "You don't have enough money to be well thought of." The vast majority of the world's population does not have money to jet around the world. | Jul 16 03:52 | |
| It has been argued that air travel is one of those things that is a large contributor to global warming and that it should be minimized for everyone's sake. | Jul 16 03:53 | |
| He has also argued for obnoxious restrictions in the name of other obnoxious restrictions, by saying that the GPL has no place in cell phone software. | Jul 16 03:54 | |
| His reasoning is that the FCC does not want users to have access to the workings of their cell phones, but that's a poor line of reasoning. | Jul 16 03:55 | |
| Rather than letting spectrum limit software freedom, free software should be used to liberate the spectrum. There's more than enough spectrum for everyone if the obsolete broadcast monopolies are disbanded. http://www.reed.com/dpr/ | Jul 16 03:57 | |
| Yes, Reed, Bose and others know more about the business than our trolly friend. | Jul 16 03:58 | |
| The next time you find yourself stuck with the choice between one non free cell phone or the next, remember that David's company may have made the browser for both. | Jul 16 03:59 | |
| amarsh04 | sorry for dropping in and out all the time... problem was a noisy contact on the cable from the adsl modem to the wall socket | Jul 16 03:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Munin is awesome. I finally have some view onto what all those servers are doing. | Jul 16 04:35 | |
| tessier | Wow. | Jul 16 04:42 |
| tessier | I didn't know my tweets were being echo'd in here. | Jul 16 04:42 |
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| 336,000 US families lost their houses in June, a new record. http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090715-718498.html | Jul 16 05:12 | |
| another company falls to M$ patent extortion | Jul 16 05:14 | |
| http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/keyDevelopments?symbol=MSFT.O×tamp=20090715230000&rpc=66 | Jul 16 05:14 | |
| -> the contents of the agreement have not been disclosed, the parties indicate that the only financial consideration in this agreement is royalties paid by Melco Group to Microsoft. | Jul 16 05:15 | |
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| Gah, look at those stories. Felix Salmon has no tech clue and seems to be rubber stamping M$ PR releases. | Jul 16 05:17 | |
| None of that stuff is news and it misses the big picture in a big way. | Jul 16 05:17 | |
| http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/linkstation/ | Jul 16 05:22 | |
| Slapped with the M$ tax. | Jul 16 05:22 | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_network-attached_storage_series | Jul 16 05:24 | |
| -> significantly notable among the Linux community both in Japan[7][8] and in the US/Europe[9][10] for being "hackable" into a generic Linux appliance and made to do tasks other than the file storage task for which it was designed. | Jul 16 05:26 | |
| So, Steve Ballmer breaks the cool toy again. | Jul 16 05:26 | |
| EEE PC, gone. NAS, taxed. | Jul 16 05:26 | |
| Watch for rising prices. | Jul 16 05:27 | |
| fewa | the banks take the money, and then procedede to continue to dismantle society. The "fixes" are staffed by those who broke it in the first place | Jul 16 05:28 |
| Buffalo NAS is the coolest thing I've seen in a while. Hopefully, someone else is building things like that. What I'd like to see is the raid array made with laptop drives. Someone's going to tell me that's exactly what Buffalo has been doing... | Jul 16 05:30 | |
| The Buffalo lesson is that anyone who touches M$ in anyway risks a patent lawsuit. | Jul 16 05:31 | |
| fewa | you must ignore the bully | Jul 16 05:33 |
| http://slashdot.org/submission/1039369/GNULinux-NAS-Company-Taxed-by-M-Patents | Jul 16 05:47 | |
| the bully must be punished | Jul 16 05:47 | |
| society should protect itself from predation. | Jul 16 05:47 | |
| M$ patent extortion timeline updated http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/219107 | Jul 16 05:52 | |
| Yes men. http://www.dowethics.com/risk/launch.html | Jul 16 06:12 | |
| They are wrong about risk calculations. US Highway planners actually put a value on human life for their calculations. | Jul 16 06:13 | |
| It was something goofy like $60 | Jul 16 06:13 | |
| fewa | lawl | Jul 16 06:13 |
| fewa | the released a movie | Jul 16 06:14 |
| fewa | *they | Jul 16 06:14 |
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| andie | hi from moscow | Jul 16 08:47 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 16 08:48 |
| andie | let me type a little bit of text here, hope won't be banned for flood | Jul 16 08:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Boycott Melco http://ping.fm/hCQsX | Jul 16 08:49 | |
| andie | there is a joint program of Russian government and Microsoft to support start-up business | Jul 16 08:49 |
| andie | it is called "Microsoft Business start 2009". Its site is www.fasie.ru | Jul 16 08:50 |
| andie | Here is a Google translation of the program description: | Jul 16 08:51 |
| andie | http://translate.google.ru/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http://fasie.ru/anonses/anons_start09/Маикрософт-Бизнес-Старт-09.aspx&sl=auto&tl=en | Jul 16 08:51 |
| schestowitz | Like BixSpark | Jul 16 08:52 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jul 16 08:52 |
| schestowitz | *BizSpark | Jul 16 08:52 |
| andie | I guess yes | Jul 16 08:52 |
| andie | If you click the "Bid documents", I'll see translated version of competition rules. | Jul 16 08:53 |
| andie | The idea is that Government pays money from Science development fund, and business startups should develop new innovative sowftare to receive this money. | Jul 16 08:54 |
| andie | However, if you search for word "Dynamics" in teh translated document, you'll see that all developed software should be strictly Microsoft.Net based | Jul 16 08:55 |
| andie | "- Software should be developed based on technology Microsoft. Net (ie, demand for the work assigned. Net Framework) and / or work with the software interface of client and server products of Microsoft, and / or work on the platform for building business applications Microsoft Dynamics. " | Jul 16 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 16 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Old trick | Jul 16 08:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] $100,000,000 in Marketing (Imposed Ignorance) Bought Microsoft Nothing in Search http://ping.fm/g76ue | Jul 16 08:56 | |
| schestowitz | I'll raise the issue | Jul 16 08:56 |
| andie | In other words, government pays business for innovations, but all developed software is Microsoft-based | Jul 16 08:57 |
| andie | Microsoft only sends its "experts" to evaluate this software, and helps start-ups to find investors | Jul 16 08:57 |
| andie | ok, have a nice day | Jul 16 08:59 |
| fewa | junk | Jul 16 09:00 |
| fewa | more drug dealing | Jul 16 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 16 09:02 |
| schestowitz | See where we get article ideas? | Jul 16 09:02 |
| tessier | I just read that Amazon has pre-sold more copies of Windows 7 than all of the copies of Vista ever sold or somesuch. | Jul 16 09:04 |
| tessier | I bet a lot of people will be unable to hold out any longer. | Jul 16 09:04 |
| fewa | people have to be desperate to buy a product before they even have seen it | Jul 16 09:05 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Love this short HD video http://tinyurl.com/mlwe88 submitted for the #ubuntu Free Culture Showcase. http://tinyurl.com/5vspdk | Jul 16 09:08 | |
| Exidy | MS making the beta widely available was a good idea from MS | Jul 16 09:09 |
| tessier | I saw Windows 7 running on a small laptop just last night | Jul 16 09:10 |
| tessier | A pre-release beta copy which he had legitimately from MS because he works for a local software development company. | Jul 16 09:11 |
| tessier | And they have a relationship with MS so they can have their software ready to go on W7 | Jul 16 09:11 |
| tessier | They make anti-virus (ESET is the company) so they need to be up to speed. | Jul 16 09:11 |
| Exidy | anyone can download the beta | Jul 16 09:11 |
| tessier | Oh? I thought most were pirated. Oh well. | Jul 16 09:12 |
| tessier | The beta must have an expiration date on it or something | Jul 16 09:12 |
| schestowitz | It does | Jul 16 09:12 |
| Exidy | its over 12 months but | Jul 16 09:12 |
| Exidy | yes it does expire | Jul 16 09:12 |
| fewa | ticking timebomb | Jul 16 09:13 |
| tessier | I was bummed to learn that stackoverflow.com is all based on Microsoft technology | Jul 16 09:13 |
| tessier | I knew Joel used to work for MS and did a lot of Windows development but I'm surprised they would build a website with it. | Jul 16 09:13 |
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| schestowitz | Spolsky? | Jul 16 09:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Propaganda (PR), Embargo, and New Convictions for AstroTurfing http://ping.fm/CxIr9 | Jul 16 09:24 | |
| fewa | schestowitz, yeah i saw that lawsuit and thats what i immediately thought about | Jul 16 09:27 |
| fewa | http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/07/15/2252249/Integrating-Wikipedia-With-a-Local-Intranet-Wiki exactly the thing Wave gets | Jul 16 09:28 |
| fewa | you could have a dynamic source code system to maintain patches to public documents locally | Jul 16 09:28 |
| fewa | specifically the mediawiki source | Jul 16 09:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Update on Novell and Microsoft’s Virtualisation Pact http://ping.fm/0xPuG | Jul 16 09:54 | |
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| tessier | Yeah, Spolsky | Jul 16 10:13 |
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| andie | forgot to tell a funny story. | Jul 16 10:20 |
| andie | In Volgograd, Russia, there were elections of city mayor and a head of region. | Jul 16 10:21 |
| andie | A regional candidate deployed computers, network and Linux to Volgograd schools in accordance with government program | Jul 16 10:22 |
| andie | And prodly presented that as his own achievement | Jul 16 10:22 |
| andie | At the same time a mayor candidate (from different elections) talked to microsoft and deployed MS applications to the same schools | Jul 16 10:23 |
| andie | MS proudly reported that here: http://www.microsoft.com/Rus/Casestudies/CaseStudy.aspx?id=348 | Jul 16 10:23 |
| andie | In short, MS provided schools with typical "academic" package. | Jul 16 10:24 |
| andie | However, they sent a "Windows Upgrade" disk instead of Windows itself, which costs $7 per seat for schools. | Jul 16 10:25 |
| andie | But you need to have WIndows already installed to use this. And schools had Linux. | Jul 16 10:25 |
| andie | In order to deploy Windows Upgrade, MS told them to install counterfeit version and "upgrade" it :) | Jul 16 10:25 |
| andie | You can read long version of this story (in Russian) here: http://volgograd.lug.ru/wiki/MicrosoftCaseStudyComments | Jul 16 10:26 |
| andie | Moreover, MS claims that it _replaces_ Linux in Volgograd schools. However, schools say they simply use both systems now | Jul 16 10:26 |
| fewa | drugs, drugs, drugs | Jul 16 10:26 |
| oiaohm | So the sort of it run Linux get windows for free andie? | Jul 16 10:27 |
| fewa | telling people to break the law so later they can use change their mind | Jul 16 10:28 |
| fewa | good cop/bad cop | Jul 16 10:28 |
| andie | oiaohm: yes | Jul 16 10:28 |
| andie | MS tells lots of nonsense in its public release about this event. | Jul 16 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Really Linux should use that as a marketing game. | Jul 16 10:29 |
| andie | for example, they say "Linux deployment was very cost-ineffective, because sysadmins had to learn new system" | Jul 16 10:29 |
| oiaohm | If MS wants to dump lets play on it. | Jul 16 10:29 |
| tacone | i'm officially a troll now. | Jul 16 10:30 |
| andie | Russian schools don't have sysadmins at all. | Jul 16 10:30 |
| fewa | oiaohm, yep | Jul 16 10:30 |
| fewa | Linux can dump much better than MSFT | Jul 16 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Linux never goes negitive to win. | Jul 16 10:30 |
| andie | or, they said that Linux deployment was not followed by trainings and books were not provided. | Jul 16 10:31 |
| fewa | who even uses books? | Jul 16 10:31 |
| fewa | for such things | Jul 16 10:31 |
| andie | On the contrary, windows package had no books, and no trainings were hold. | Jul 16 10:31 |
| andie | why, if you're a teacher, you need a book or manual to read about new system | Jul 16 10:32 |
| fewa | I guess | Jul 16 10:32 |
| fewa | but it needs to be targeted | Jul 16 10:32 |
| andie | however, Linux package had books and stuff. | Jul 16 10:32 |
| fewa | Ive wanted some, where are repos of linux books, comparisons, marketing stuff, etc | Jul 16 10:33 |
| Exidy | what they do need is good education packages | Jul 16 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Remember 5 years ago MS would not have to dump in counter to Linux. | Jul 16 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Linux desktop improvements are forcing MS into competing with something that cannot simply be defeated. | Jul 16 10:34 |
| fewa | they need to look at this case: http://www.seattlepi.com/business/1310ap_us_online_product_reviews.html | Jul 16 10:35 |
| fewa | MSFT's only credibly argument is that something differnt is risky | Jul 16 10:36 |
| Exidy | people inherently resist change, or at least need a good reason for change. | Jul 16 10:37 |
| fewa | but then they try to force huge changes in their own OS that break all sorts of things | Jul 16 10:37 |
| oiaohm | In time running MS will be risky. | Jul 16 10:37 |
| fewa | oiaohm, exactly | Jul 16 10:37 |
| fewa | MS pretends it had backwards compatibility | Jul 16 10:38 |
| oiaohm | There are security reasons against current Linux's. | Jul 16 10:38 |
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| oiaohm | X11 server running as root. | Jul 16 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Not a wise thing. | Jul 16 10:38 |
| fewa | oiaohm, cant you put it behind AppArmor/SELinux still> | Jul 16 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Next version of X11 server is more down the path to X11 running as a normal user with KMS for special operations. | Jul 16 10:39 |
| oiaohm | With selinux able to reach up and control interactions between X11 programs. | Jul 16 10:39 |
| fewa | Window's Display system runs in kernel mode | Jul 16 10:39 |
| fewa | its essentially root | Jul 16 10:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Confirmed: Novell Puts Mono (and Moonlight) at Centre of the GNU/Linux Desktop http://ping.fm/nlGGK | Jul 16 10:39 | |
| oiaohm | Windows hole central. | Jul 16 10:40 |
| fewa | but yeah switching X11 into user mode will be awesome, with GEM memory management | Jul 16 10:41 |
| fewa | and multi-seat setups | Jul 16 10:41 |
| oiaohm | I hope kernel mode for multi-seat setups come soon. | Jul 16 10:41 |
| oiaohm | So you can basically cut system in two. | Jul 16 10:42 |
| fewa | would be very nice | Jul 16 10:42 |
| fewa | could have a single computer run maybe 4 seats | Jul 16 10:42 |
| fewa | standard comp | Jul 16 10:42 |
| oiaohm | KMS is one of the required bits before you can split that way. | Jul 16 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Nice bit with split down center is each user can have virtual terminals like if they were on 1 system alone. | Jul 16 10:43 |
| fewa | used a IOMMU-system yet? | Jul 16 10:43 |
| fewa | how much do the motherboards cost? | Jul 16 10:43 |
| fewa | yet share resources to even out computing demands | Jul 16 10:44 |
| fewa | like with virtualization | Jul 16 10:44 |
| Exidy | VMS is very good at that | Jul 16 10:44 |
| oiaohm | IOMMU is fairly much a standard part. Device sharing kinda needs device support fewa. | Jul 16 10:46 |
| fewa | oiaohm, its not instant that you can hook a video card, hard drive, etc to a VM? | Jul 16 10:46 |
| fewa | with IOMMU | Jul 16 10:47 |
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| oiaohm | IOMMU is not the only part required to do that. | Jul 16 10:48 |
| fewa | what's missing--hardware initilization? | Jul 16 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Yep you don't want a virtual machine to reset a devices state half way threw a host operation due to the fact the virtual machine was initing the driver. | Jul 16 10:49 |
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| fewa | so hardware initilization needs to be cleaned up in drivers, hardware | Jul 16 10:51 |
| oiaohm | If the hardware has virtualisation support it can take the init mult times for different clients. | Jul 16 10:51 |
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| oiaohm | While not effecting other things using it. | Jul 16 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Same with shutting card down. Ie slightly smartter hardware makes virtualisation simpler less filtering. | Jul 16 10:52 |
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| oiaohm | Basically host init card tells it that it is going to be used virtual so setup means to have virtual states to clients. | Jul 16 10:53 |
| oiaohm | There are cards that support that fewa but they are not cheep. | Jul 16 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Mostly high end network cards. | Jul 16 10:55 |
| fewa | ahh ok, my enthusiasm is now waned | Jul 16 10:55 |
| oiaohm | IOMMU is basically first step. | Jul 16 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Secound step is virtualisation supporting hardware. | Jul 16 10:56 |
| fewa | cause when it happens it would be awesome | Jul 16 10:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Officially Approved as Malaysian Standard, Brazil Offers Massive Endorsement Too http://ping.fm/dLZNS | Jul 16 11:00 | |
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| fewa | did you read the MS letter http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/06/the-weed-whispe.html | Jul 16 11:11 |
| fewa | lies | Jul 16 11:11 |
| fewa | lies | Jul 16 11:11 |
| fewa | lies | Jul 16 11:11 |
| tacone | I'm not afraid of people writing code. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1880 | Jul 16 11:11 |
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| fewa | です | Jul 16 11:28 |
| tacone | RMS knows nothing about freedom ? http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/153/#comment-1417 | Jul 16 11:28 |
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| fewa | desu, how do you change your name twice in the same direction? | Jul 16 11:57 |
| desu | ? | Jul 16 11:57 |
| fewa | * desudesudesu is now known as desu | Jul 16 11:57 |
| fewa | <fewa> です | Jul 16 11:57 |
| fewa | <tacone> RMS knows nothing about freedom ? http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/153/#comment-1417 | Jul 16 11:57 |
| fewa | * desudesudesu is now known as desu | Jul 16 11:57 |
| desu | erm... can you rephrase? | Jul 16 11:57 |
| desu | fewa: i reconnected | Jul 16 11:58 |
| fewa | ah | Jul 16 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | Let's not feed the Shiels [sic] | Jul 16 12:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft + Ecosystem Block ODF, OpenOffice.org, Firefox http://ping.fm/GUKPX | Jul 16 12:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Why the Zune is and will remain an EPIC FAIL. Even Apple DRM doesn't *take your paid-for songs away*. http://is.gd/1AUTf | Jul 16 12:25 | |
| tacone | schestowitz: here ? | Jul 16 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 16 12:26 |
| tacone | i read the lefty comments on the revisionism by stereotype post | Jul 16 12:27 |
| MinceR | correction: crApple DRM hasn't taken your paid-for songs away yet | Jul 16 12:27 |
| tacone | how the thing ended ? | Jul 16 12:27 |
| tacone | sorry, disconnected | Jul 16 12:30 |
| tacone | nevermind, found | Jul 16 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Zimmerman comments in BN | Jul 16 12:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Exploits Feynman Lectures to Spread Lock-in, Does the Same in HPC http://ping.fm/YOJiD | Jul 16 12:37 | |
| tacone | where ? | Jul 16 12:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Sorry, Microsoft FAIL pic for non-FB users: http://i32.tinypic.com/120s3g4.jpg Guy bought $100 of songs, Microsoft stole them. | Jul 16 12:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Why Orange's customer service is shit: management actively sabotage the actual staff http://bit.ly/19pvSt | Jul 16 12:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me está a pensar seriamente se deve ir ou nao ao DebianDay... | Jul 16 13:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Microsoft Daemonises the EU Commission and Advertises Vista 7, with the MSBBC’s Help http://ping.fm/Cokjt | Jul 16 13:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Brad Silverberg: “Please Make Sure This Request Doesn’t Get Filled.” http://ping.fm/lWoJU | Jul 16 13:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Children ( Club Radio Edit) - Dave Darell" ♫ http://blip.fm/~a198e | Jul 16 14:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Freeloader ( Club Radio Edit) - Dave Darell" ♫ http://blip.fm/~a19b5 | Jul 16 14:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Freeloader ( Spencer & Hill Radio Edit) - Dave Darell" ♫ http://blip.fm/~a19cu | Jul 16 14:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Dave Darell feat. Hardy Hard Silver Surfer 2009 (Club Edit) - " ♫ http://blip.fm/~a19gd | Jul 16 14:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Silver Surfer feat. Hardy Hard (Original Mix) - Dave Darell" ♫ http://blip.fm/~a19is | Jul 16 14:06 | |
| *MinceR is listening to: Arwen - Illusions - Touch The Sky | Jul 16 14:07 | |
| trmanco | LOL | Jul 16 14:08 |
| *desu is listening to: desu's friends - bitching about life.mp3 | Jul 16 14:08 | |
| trmanco | BNc, should get some filters :-P | Jul 16 14:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "When Love Takes Over (Official) - David Guetta feat. Kelly Rowland" ♫ http://blip.fm/~a19zf | Jul 16 14:16 | |
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| schestowitz | <trmanco> filter on ♫? | Jul 16 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://cbs13.com/local/california.marijuana.tax.2.1087391.html | Jul 16 14:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | fucking government | Jul 16 14:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | this would fill their budget hole like 20 times over | Jul 16 14:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Microsoft Sabotages GNU/Linux Adoption in Russian Schools http://ping.fm/c3gMO | Jul 16 14:53 | |
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| fewa | Diablo-D3, and deprise organized crime of millions in funding | Jul 16 15:02 |
| fewa | and fail to mention the huge decrease in costs from not locking up non-violent pot smokers who have hurt nobody | Jul 16 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: yup | Jul 16 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think this should be manditory | Jul 16 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know why the people of california havent marched on their government yet | Jul 16 15:06 |
| Exidy | smoking pot ?? | Jul 16 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm a conservative in the truest sense | Jul 16 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | the federal government has no right to spend my money without my permission | Jul 16 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | nor does the state government | Jul 16 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | either provide services that directly influence the quality of my life, or gtfo | Jul 16 15:07 |
| Exidy | yet they do, and they dont even ask you. | Jul 16 15:07 |
| fewa | The biggest lobbiest against the legalization is the Jail workers union | Jul 16 15:07 |
| fewa | talk about conflict of interest | Jul 16 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Exidy: exactly | Jul 16 15:08 |
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| Diablo-D3 | why do you think I donate to a certain republican? | Jul 16 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | his name is Ron Paul. | Jul 16 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I despise the republican party | Jul 16 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think they're a bunch of criminals and terrorists | Jul 16 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | but Ron Paul is the sole person in Congress that has his head screwed on right | Jul 16 15:09 |
| fewa | democrats are only a little better | Jul 16 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | not really | Jul 16 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | at least they put a President in office who actually has a fair bit of brains | Jul 16 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the only thing they have going for them | Jul 16 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | need I remind you democrats also voted for The War (tm) | Jul 16 15:09 |
| fewa | but he defends Bush's NSA warentless wiretaping | Jul 16 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: no | Jul 16 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | he defends not wasting time | Jul 16 15:10 |
| fewa | and escalates the war in pakistan | Jul 16 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | he _should_ just pardon everyone | Jul 16 15:10 |
| fewa | afghanistan | Jul 16 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: no | Jul 16 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | we now must win the war Bush put us in | Jul 16 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | otherwise it can cost us even more money | Jul 16 15:10 |
| fewa | but why does Obama decide to start a new war in Pakistan? | Jul 16 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | he hasnt | Jul 16 15:10 |
| Exidy | cant win it | Jul 16 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | we are not at war with pakistan | Jul 16 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Exidy: not at all | Jul 16 15:11 |
| fewa | its like Vietnam | Jul 16 15:11 |
| Exidy | yes exactly | Jul 16 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | we _can_ win it if we make the local population stop supporting terrorism | Jul 16 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | we dont need guns, we need engineers. | Jul 16 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Obama, unlike Bush, is, in fact, using all the tools available to him | Jul 16 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I do wish him luck | Jul 16 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | But, however, Bush left us with a mess | Jul 16 15:12 |
| fewa | Just a way to fuel the military-industrial complex: and Blackwater, the worlds largest mercenary army | Jul 16 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: a little less paranoia please. | Jul 16 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | you destroy Blackwater by ordering the government to no longer hire military providers. | Jul 16 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | we are their biggest customer | Jul 16 15:12 |
| fewa | i wasnt meaning to be paranoid | Jul 16 15:13 |
| fewa | i just stating facts | Jul 16 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | Military providers exist because we hire them | Jul 16 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | We stop hiring them, they cease to exist. | Jul 16 15:13 |
| fewa | that the united states spends alot of money on war | Jul 16 15:13 |
| Exidy | and have wars | Jul 16 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: we spend a lot of money period. | Jul 16 15:13 |
| fewa | supporting Coups | Jul 16 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | we just have to spend money more efficiently. | Jul 16 15:13 |
| Exidy | about 10 billion per month, you cant win it because its making your country broke | Jul 16 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | Exidy: then sue Bush. | Jul 16 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | Go ahead. | Jul 16 15:14 |
| fewa | lobbying against the public interest | Jul 16 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | His estate should be liquidated to pay for the war. | Jul 16 15:14 |
| fewa | Re: healthcare | Jul 16 15:14 |
| fewa | Re: bank bailout | Jul 16 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im against the bailout | Jul 16 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I wish people would learn about the healthcare thing already | Jul 16 15:14 |
| fewa | Goldman Sachs just reported the largest profit in history | Jul 16 15:15 |
| fewa | and gave its CEOs massive government funded bonuses | Jul 16 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | The US government is not going to spend significantly more money on the new healthcare plan | Jul 16 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | They are spending whats already been allocated to programs that didnt work. | Jul 16 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ie, the Bush healthcare plan. | Jul 16 15:15 |
| Exidy | Sachs gave their bail out money back | Jul 16 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah what Exidy said | Jul 16 15:15 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, medicare and madecaid have worked | Jul 16 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: wrong | Jul 16 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | 90s medicare and medicaid worked | Jul 16 15:16 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, they are vastly more efficient than any private system | Jul 16 15:16 |
| fewa | well yeah, you cant fuck them over | Jul 16 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | Bush fucked them over | Jul 16 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | Everyone with medicare part D now has a private insurance card to provide it | Jul 16 15:16 |
| fewa | cause hes in the pocket of the rich | Jul 16 15:16 |
| fewa | those rich that make that money ripping off the poor | Jul 16 15:16 |
| Exidy | efficient or not, the money spent on war would be better spent on healthcare | Jul 16 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | not only that, people with part D cannot choose their own insurance provider | Jul 16 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | NOT ONLY THAT, but people with a job and who pay for their insurance through their job cant choose either | Jul 16 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | Obama wants to fuck over HMOs in the worst way | Jul 16 15:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft employees have joined the trolls in Boycott Novell comments. I guess Microsoft pays them well. | Jul 16 15:17 | |
| Diablo-D3 | this _is_ his plan | Jul 16 15:17 |
| fewa | Its obvious that if the United States cant lower health care costs the middle class will be destroyed | Jul 16 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | he wants people to choose from any insurance plan no matter if they pay for it out of pocket, through the job, or get it through government aid | Jul 16 15:18 |
| Exidy | Thing about the US healthcare system, the only thing it can do is get better, than what it presently is. | Jul 16 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | he will force insurance companies to provide certain services for a certain pricer | Jul 16 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | insurance companies dont like it because ones that are more efficient will win | Jul 16 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | ie, its a free market | Jul 16 15:19 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, the best system, by looking at others, is to set a price that the government will pay | Jul 16 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont want a free market, they want free money | Jul 16 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: yup, and thats whats being done | Jul 16 15:19 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, most americans know this | Jul 16 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Jul 16 15:19 |
| Exidy | you know why it's broken, it's because the old people vote and the young dont. | Jul 16 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | most americans believe what the TV tells them | Jul 16 15:19 |
| fewa | but the politicians, who get so much lobbiest money pretend otherwise | Jul 16 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | they think Obama's plan is wrong | Jul 16 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know who else runs a similar plan? | Jul 16 15:20 |
| fewa | http://change-congress.org/ | Jul 16 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | the netherlands. | Jul 16 15:20 |
| fewa | will Faux news.... | Jul 16 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | their systems works 100% | Jul 16 15:20 |
| Exidy | lots of other countries as well. | Jul 16 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | everyone has health insurance that provides enough for the average person, including eye care and dental | Jul 16 15:20 |
| fewa | run by Laurence Lessig they have been calling out Congressmen on corruption | Jul 16 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet the government itself provides no medical care | Jul 16 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | the government merely pitches in enough if you're poor | Jul 16 15:21 |
| fewa | yet they demonize it | Jul 16 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | private insurance companies are _required_ to support every doctor, every hospital, and most medicines | Jul 16 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | they are _required_ to not deny so many people | Jul 16 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | they are _required_ to actually state why they denied someone and back it up with science | Jul 16 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | and guess what? | Jul 16 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | NL has some of the healthiest people in the world | Jul 16 15:22 |
| fewa | France too | Jul 16 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they also have some of the least expensive health care for it's kind | Jul 16 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: no | Jul 16 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | france's system is pretty fubar in some areas | Jul 16 15:22 |
| fewa | ahh | Jul 16 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | europe is slowly moving towards NL's system | Jul 16 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | the UK is behind the most | Jul 16 15:22 |
| fewa | too much money in US politics | Jul 16 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | the UK is how you _not_ design a health care system | Jul 16 15:23 |
| fewa | UK is run by PR firms | Jul 16 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | obama is trying to move towards a system like NL | Jul 16 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Im 100% for it | Jul 16 15:23 |
| fewa | I am too | Jul 16 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | it uses the money we already _waste_ every year and use it a lot more efficiently | Jul 16 15:23 |
| fewa | The sanest thing ever | Jul 16 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet congress and big business is against it | Jul 16 15:24 |
| fewa | *big business | Jul 16 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think congress really should be arrested for terrorism | Jul 16 15:24 |
| fewa | congress cause they are getting paid | Jul 16 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | their job is to do what we tell them to | Jul 16 15:24 |
| fewa | by big business | Jul 16 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the american people have spoken | Jul 16 15:24 |
| fewa | by the brutally fail at it | Jul 16 15:24 |
| fewa | spectator democracy cannot work | Jul 16 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I may not be able to change the system myself | Jul 16 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I donate money to those who can | Jul 16 15:25 |
| Exidy | and yet it does work !! | Jul 16 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | Exidy: no, it does | Jul 16 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | ron paul's new bill to audit the fed passed the house | Jul 16 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | the senate did their damnest to kill it, but its not dead | Jul 16 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | the senate will be crushed by the american people | Jul 16 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | we outweigh them | Jul 16 15:27 |
| Exidy | thats because the majority of the electected people agreed with the bill and passed it, those same people were elected on their merit, and you accepted their decisions, they are not your personal puppet, otherwise they would not be able to do anything. | Jul 16 15:28 |
| Exidy | They are elected by you to make up their own mind on your behalf, if you dont like them you elect someone else. | Jul 16 15:28 |
| fewa | Exidy, congress consistantly makes decisions that are not popular | Jul 16 15:28 |
| fewa | and not just to minorities | Jul 16 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | Exidy: they are elected to make decisions that _do_ reflect the areas they represent | Jul 16 15:29 |
| fewa | because their checkbook is based on it | Jul 16 15:29 |
| Exidy | yes, they do and so they should otherwise they are "poll driven" which is a bad thing | Jul 16 15:29 |
| fewa | they even go against polls | Jul 16 15:29 |
| fewa | cause they want war-chests for negative pollstering | Jul 16 15:29 |
| Exidy | yes, they sometimes have too, they have to take the role of knowing best, they have to do the job your elected them to do. | Jul 16 15:29 |
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| fewa | How can they do the job they are elected to when the spend 4 days a week fundraising? | Jul 16 15:32 |
| Exidy | they also make decisions that are popular and yet very damaging, like not increasing taxes or decreasing spending to reduce debt, but they continue to reduce taxes, spend like there is no tomorrow and borrow trillions of dollars to do it. | Jul 16 15:33 |
| fewa | and they dont even read the bills they vote for? | Jul 16 15:33 |
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| Exidy | or they are attached as riders. | Jul 16 15:33 |
| fewa | http://readthebill.org/ | Jul 16 15:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz that's why I'm answering them fully and honestly. note my latest, pointing out it's a usability problem, not a FLOSS problem | Jul 16 15:42 | |
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| trmanco | schestowitz> <trmanco> filter on ♫? | Jul 16 16:17 |
| trmanco | yeah, something like that | Jul 16 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I'd need to be familiar with the code to add filters | Jul 16 16:26 |
| trmanco | maybe with some kind of a regex you can do the job :-P | Jul 16 16:28 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, online on facebook, wow :-P | Jul 16 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | What is? | Jul 16 16:58 |
| trmanco | ? | Jul 16 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Jul 16 16:59 | |
| trmanco | you are online of it's chat :-P | Jul 16 16:59 |
| trmanco | your actually idle | Jul 16 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Me? | Jul 16 17:03 |
| schestowitz | facebook? | Jul 16 17:03 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jul 16 17:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz man, that feynman thread is hilarious. apparently i'm the good guy now. | Jul 16 17:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] heh. I never got luv from Microsoft, @davidgerard | Jul 16 17:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] chatting with microsoft rep about feynman silverlight fail: http://is.gd/1Baov interesting attempt at meeting of minds | Jul 16 17:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Help Patent Trolls to make their patents more resistant: http://bit.ly/1bqWKV | Jul 16 17:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft employees (paid shills, aka TEs) contribute to Boycott Novell's wiki now: http://ping.fm/ln0bN | Jul 16 17:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] RIM pays 267 Millions USD to get rid of another patent troll: http://bit.ly/jqD0n We need more patent trolls | Jul 16 17:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Consumo de combustíveis com quebra mais acentuada: http://is.gd/1BbbK Por mim bem podiam consumir menos 99% a ver se eu me importo... | Jul 16 17:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Peer-to-Patent Annual Report; FFII, FSFE and IBM Weigh in http://ping.fm/VA4nL | Jul 16 17:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] quando é que os sr.s programadores do SAPO TEK fazem um sistema de comentários de jeito??? | Jul 16 17:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz he's interesting to have around. remember: they believe they're good guys. it's the dark side of "assume good faith." | Jul 16 18:02 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jul 16 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Lots of AstroTurf in BN today | Jul 16 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Also gaming os ratings | Jul 16 18:03 |
| schestowitz | *of | Jul 16 18:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Jul 16 18:04 |
| trmanco | it's not only on bn | Jul 16 18:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @schestowitz IBM is the biggest patent troll. They uses software patents as a competitive advantage "Come to us, you will be protected" | Jul 16 18:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] RT @Techdirt Infamous Niro JPEG Patent Smacked Down Again | Techdirt http://cli.gs/geh3h | Jul 16 18:13 | |
| *Ng hmms at the IBM patent troll comment | Jul 16 18:23 | |
| Ng | didn't IBM essentially give a blanket committement to free software for their entire patent portfolio, like 4 years ago? | Jul 16 18:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hacker defaces RAAF site: http://is.gd/1Bdhc | Jul 16 18:35 | |
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| trmanco | http://my.opera.com/BoycottMicrosoft/blog/ | Jul 16 18:47 |
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| MinceR | nice | Jul 16 18:48 |
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| wallclimber | just dropped in to let Roy know that I've sent some Comes v. MS emails to him | Jul 16 18:52 |
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| wallclimber | there should be three emails, one with a small attached .png | Jul 16 18:53 |
| MinceR | http://rudd-o.com/en/linux-and-free-software/dell-paying-lip-service-only-to-linux | Jul 16 18:53 |
| *MinceR suddenly gets the mental image of a dell logo with the d replaced with an h | Jul 16 18:54 | |
| wallclimber | MinceR, who wrote that? | Jul 16 18:57 |
| MinceR | dunno, it was linked from that BM blog | Jul 16 18:57 |
| wallclimber | I'm curious as to why the writer still insists on recommending Dell to people | Jul 16 18:58 |
| wallclimber | seems odd | Jul 16 18:58 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 16 18:58 |
| Exidy | does anyone know what OS the RAAF uses, looks like it might be linux apache to me. | Jul 16 18:58 |
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| MinceR | perhaps his dell products didn't produce 4 hw failures in 2 years | Jul 16 18:58 |
| wallclimber | i've only dealt with a few Dells over the years, but none of them impressed me | Jul 16 18:59 |
| wallclimber | maybe they were just low end Dells, but it seemed to me that they cut a lot of corners with their hardware | Jul 16 19:00 |
| wallclimber | well, lunch break is over for me...must get back to work - bye for now | Jul 16 19:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] LOL @lycosman who feeds trolls :-P | Jul 16 19:07 | |
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| schestowitz | My host has just disabled bxotrapper | Jul 16 20:27 |
| schestowitz | What a mess | Jul 16 20:27 |
| MinceR | how well does linux x86_64 work nowadays? | Jul 16 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Apple demanded Microsoft pull laptop hunter ads http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1433666/apple-demanded-microsoft-pull-laptop-hunter-ads | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Is there more to it than it seems | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: BN runs it | Jul 16 20:31 |
| MinceR | and how well do old games ported to linux work? (ut, ut2004, etc.) | Jul 16 20:32 |
| MinceR | (supplied as binaries only) | Jul 16 20:32 |
| desu | MinceR: ut2004 works pretty well... | Jul 16 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft fakes market share to suppress porting | Jul 16 20:34 |
| MinceR | desu: thx | Jul 16 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Why The Story That Bloggers Are A Few Hours Behind Mainstream Press Is Wrong http://techdirt.com/articles/20090714/0138435536.shtml | Jul 16 20:35 |
| MinceR | hm, gentoo bugzilla says ut works too | Jul 16 20:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] sagarun@ thanks | Jul 16 20:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple Attacks Linux Phones http://ping.fm/N19Kw | Jul 16 20:37 | |
| desu | the only problem with ut2004 is that its openGL stuff is not very optimised, neither on windows (which uses DX by default) nor on linux (which can only use GL for h/w rendering), which makes it kinda slow... | Jul 16 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I bet Jobs is laughing his kidneys out watching Palm struggling to merely communicate with his ssssssssssssssssssssshiny devices. | Jul 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Great headline: http://techdirt.com/articles/20090715/1845315558.shtml | Jul 16 20:40 |
| *MinceR expects crApple fanboys to ignore/rationalize this blatant example of crApple lock-in | Jul 16 20:41 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: or curse Linux people (like Lefty does) | Jul 16 20:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kongoni.co.za/news/kongoni-nietzsche-release-announcement | Jul 16 20:46 |
| schestowitz | They call it after Nietzsche . It is unfortunate that many academics would connotates Nietzsche with the Nazis because they cited him. He dies like 30 years (as an old demented man) before the Nazi party even existed. | Jul 16 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know whats really sad? | Jul 16 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | neitzsche isnt even particularly that clever | Jul 16 20:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is it just my pet peeve or is it silly to pretend that Symbian is separate from Nokia, still? http://ping.fm/BpABY | Jul 16 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | I know about him just because of evolution and Darwin | Jul 16 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Twitter calls lawyer over hacking < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8153122.stm > | Jul 16 20:51 |
| schestowitz | "Lawyers! Lawyers! Lawyers!" for cowards who can't sort out their own things, so they seek parasitic mediators | Jul 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | By the way, Diablo-D3 , why did you make false accusations about us? | Jul 16 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I haven't. | Jul 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | And you never explained why you celebrated DDOS attacks against us. | Jul 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | You did | Jul 16 20:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | At no point have I made a false accusation. | Jul 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | You did. Fact. | Jul 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | You could at least apologise | Jul 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Turning agony of someone into accusations | Jul 16 20:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | What accusation do you think I said was false? | Jul 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Like turning national disaster (e.g. 9/11) into a story about the government attacking its own people | Jul 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Or in your case, claiming we DDOSed ourselved | Jul 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | We could send you the logs | Jul 16 20:55 |
| schestowitz | And you could apologise | Jul 16 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | You can claim you didn't, but I don't really care anymore | Jul 16 20:55 |
| schestowitz | The two marketing companies slog it out: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/16/apple-doesnt-like-microsofts-laptop-hunter-ads (Apple Tells Microsoft To Stop Running Laptop Hunter Ads) | Jul 16 20:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm not apologizing for writing what I thought. | Jul 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Apple and Microsoft will hopefully keep brainwashing and wasting money on nothing of substance. Sadly, the 'unwashed masses' buy that stuff | Jul 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | ><Diablo-D3> You can claim you didn't, but I don't really care anymore | Jul 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | I care | Jul 16 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | No, if you didn't ddos yourself, then you should care about who actually did | Jul 16 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | since the attack was performed through tor, we'll never know | Jul 16 20:57 |
| schestowitz | You could write *that* rather than blame ME for DDOS | Jul 16 20:58 |
| desu | o.o | Jul 16 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I _did_ write it was performed through tor. | Jul 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=8100996 | Jul 16 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Tattooed Swedish devil girls sexually molest cyclist < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/16/devil_girls/ > | Jul 16 21:03 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Jul 16 21:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know, lucky bastard | Jul 16 21:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BT brings jobs back from India < http://ping.fm/NGa2P >. Pigs fly yet? | Jul 16 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | Synology Disk Station 409Slim < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/07/16/review_storage_network_synology_ds409slim/ > <--- bad company name, sounds like scientology | Jul 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Does it run Linux? It doesn't say | Jul 16 21:06 |
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| wallclimber | today has been a very frustrating day with ubuntu - it's the first time i've just stopped working out of pure frustration | Jul 16 21:18 |
| wallclimber | (not trying to finagle tech help here, just looking for a little sympathy) | Jul 16 21:19 |
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| wallclimber | okay...no need for sympathy, really, just needed a quick place to vent a bit. I'm over it now :) | Jul 16 21:20 |
| wallclimber | back to work...(sigh) | Jul 16 21:21 |
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| dsmith_ | Hmmm | Jul 16 21:44 |
| dsmith_ | this is interesting | Jul 16 21:44 |
| dsmith_ | Mono packaging: quick, easy, and awesome In this week’s Packaging Training Session Jo Shields (directhex), of the Debian/Ubuntu Mono team, will be explaining how to package Mono applications and libraries. Come to #ubuntu-classroom on irc.freenode.net at 16th July, 18:00 UTC to find out more... | Jul 16 21:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | not really | Jul 16 21:44 |
| dsmith_ | hmmm? | Jul 16 21:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, its directhex | Jul 16 21:45 |
| dsmith_ | as in DirectX?? | Jul 16 21:45 |
| dsmith_ | lol | Jul 16 21:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Jul 16 21:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | I've talked to him a lot on irc | Jul 16 21:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | he isnt exactly the best person to be teaching that | Jul 16 21:46 |
| dsmith_ | I just understand why ubuntu wants to implement or have to do anything with Mono | Jul 16 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Corus Selects Univa For Private HPC Cloud http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090707005897&newsLang=en | Jul 16 21:46 |
| dsmith_ | I dont understand, I meant | Jul 16 21:46 |
| dsmith_ | Hi Roy | Jul 16 21:46 |
| schestowitz | dsmith_: yes, I saw that Ubuntu thing | Jul 16 21:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | univa? | Jul 16 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Nm | Jul 16 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I already have that SHiels [sic] post ready for posting | Jul 16 21:47 |
| dsmith_ | ok | Jul 16 21:47 |
| dsmith_ | those guys just don;t get it | Jul 16 21:47 |
| dsmith_ | *shakes head* | Jul 16 21:47 |
| schestowitz | They are being nessused | Jul 16 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I'll write about it tomorrow | Jul 16 21:50 |
| tacone | what's that post about ? | Jul 16 21:52 |
| schestowitz | You'll see | Jul 16 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Also see mononono | Jul 16 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Good posts there today | Jul 16 22:01 |
| schestowitz | it's funny of the pseudo-journo of Microsoft are all quiet about Bong now | Jul 16 22:01 |
| schestowitz | They have bad news for Bong | Jul 16 22:02 |
| schestowitz | the Slog4Bong didn't work | Jul 16 22:02 |
| schestowitz | No market gains | Jul 16 22:02 |
| schestowitz | One spin: | Jul 16 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Hey, it's up from 0% | Jul 16 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Reality (anti-spin): no | Jul 16 22:02 |
| schestowitz | it got renamed | Jul 16 22:02 |
| dsmith_ | Bong | Jul 16 22:04 |
| dsmith_ | lol | Jul 16 22:04 |
| *schestowitz thinks Microsoft Bong is just blowing smoke | Jul 16 22:04 | |
| *tacone reached technorati autority 98 | Jul 16 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | A reader explained to me about Mono | Jul 16 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I'll quote him tomorrow | Jul 16 22:06 |
| tacone | boycottnovell is 134. i'm catching up fast :P | Jul 16 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Mythology about the plot. Microsoft needs to infect things with Mono because it's dying | Jul 16 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft needs to stains things with its remnant to stay relevant, even as a patent racketeer | Jul 16 22:06 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3373 | Jul 16 22:06 |
| schestowitz | "On July 15, Microsoft signed a patent-coverage deal with Melco Holdings, the Japanese-based parent company of Buffalo Inc. and Buffalo Group. Buffalo makes network-attached storage (NAS) and routers, including the LinkStation and AirStation products." | Jul 16 22:07 |
| schestowitz | "We heard you use mono here......" | Jul 16 22:07 |
| schestowitz | *company hands Microsoft silence money | Jul 16 22:07 |
| dsmith_ | http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/note.php?note_id=102575741545&comments | Jul 16 22:08 |
| dsmith_ | not sure if you can see that | Jul 16 22:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #Wikimedia posts about the #NPG legal threat http://is.gd/1Bm30 that's an official stmt from the deputy director Erik Moeller | Jul 16 22:08 | |
| tacone | wlw | Jul 16 22:08 |
| tacone | wow | Jul 16 22:08 |
| tacone | do they use mono ? | Jul 16 22:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux exceeding Mac desktop market share. http://ping.fm/FxJXd | Jul 16 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | dsmith_: wontload | Jul 16 22:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft, Verizon rate low among IT pros http://ping.fm/2zF3v | Jul 16 22:11 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I wonder why microsoft just doesnt write good software | Jul 16 22:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, they _write_ software, and they spend a lot of money on it | Jul 16 22:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | they pay good salaries too | Jul 16 22:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt make any sense | Jul 16 22:17 |
| MinceR | they probably don't spend enough | Jul 16 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | they need peeps to buy the new versions, if the current versions were "good" they'd have less of a carrot to hold out | Jul 16 22:17 |
| kevin009 | try using the windows magnifier on vista... it runs slower on my c2d with 4 gigs of ram than it did on xp with 1 gig of ram | Jul 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | not much is left after all those marketing expenses, lawyers' salaries, bribes, etc. | Jul 16 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | "the new version will have that new feature you never knew you needed, and fix those annoying bugs you hate" | Jul 16 22:18 |
| kevin009 | makes me laugh | Jul 16 22:18 |
| dsmith_ | Sorry Roy, it was a FB article with a misture of hate and like comments | Jul 16 22:18 |
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| dsmith_ | rgarding mono on Ubuntu | Jul 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | also, it's probably difficult to fix bugs in code they didn't write in the first place :> | Jul 16 22:18 |
| schestowitz | DHCP server can take over client http://www.h-online.com/open/DHCP-server-can-take-over-client--/news/113771 I got my patch yesterday | Jul 16 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | MinceR: not only that but they have to ensure that any fix does not increase compatibility with non-MS alternatives | Jul 16 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: they buy software | Jul 16 22:20 |
| schestowitz | They don't buy the right companies | Jul 16 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Or drive the programmer away ocne it's bought (there are example) | Jul 16 22:20 |
| schestowitz | "Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products." --Arno Edelmann, Microsoft's European business security product manager | Jul 16 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | anytime a competitor gets too close in compatibility, that's a bug to be fixed | Jul 16 22:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @rtaibah: Nmap 5.0 Released: Most Important Since 1997!: http://digg.com/d1x2Gn?t (Please RT and Digg) | Jul 16 22:21 | |
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| dsmith_ | Onenote and hotmail are two products that they never created | Jul 16 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | bbs | Jul 16 22:22 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Rami is still around? | Jul 16 22:22 |
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| trmanco | yeah | Jul 16 22:22 |
| dsmith_ | and who in thier right mind would use a Surface computer | Jul 16 22:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: then wtf is the point | Jul 16 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Didn't he move to the US? | Jul 16 22:22 |
| schestowitz | His blog id dead | Jul 16 22:22 |
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| Diablo-D3 | dsmith_: I would actually | Jul 16 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Surface LMAO | Jul 16 22:23 |
| schestowitz | That think is SO dead | Jul 16 22:23 |
| dsmith_ | ok, dish out $10K | Jul 16 22:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] My Wikimedia blog: Wikimedia writes on the NPG legal threat http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/?p=217 (plus FOI requests in progress) | Jul 16 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | It doesn't get an article in MONTHS | Jul 16 22:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can build one for less | Jul 16 22:23 |
| dsmith_ | I know | Jul 16 22:23 |
| dsmith_ | so could I | Jul 16 22:23 |
| schestowitz | dsmith_: nope | Jul 16 22:23 |
| schestowitz | $13k minimum | Jul 16 22:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'd be a great photoshop interface | Jul 16 22:23 |
| schestowitz | And not coming down in price given scarce demand | Jul 16 22:23 |
| schestowitz | It's like a CT scanner | Jul 16 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Only FAR less innovative | Jul 16 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you can sell 500 of them in the UK | Jul 16 22:24 |
| dsmith_ | they used one in the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" remake | Jul 16 22:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | at any rate | Jul 16 22:24 |
| schestowitz | To stupid rich buyers | Jul 16 22:24 |
| schestowitz | With more money then brain | Jul 16 22:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish I had enough money to buy microsoft | Jul 16 22:24 |
| schestowitz | *than | Jul 16 22:24 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, yes I think he did | Jul 16 22:24 |
| trmanco | his blog still works | Jul 16 22:24 |
| dsmith_ | buy it and just say, ooops we're closed for business | Jul 16 22:24 |
| schestowitz | dsmith_: maybe an advert | Jul 16 22:24 |
| trmanco | it's linuxologist now | Jul 16 22:24 |
| schestowitz | They pay for such stufff | Jul 16 22:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the company needs to be rebooted | Jul 16 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Like is actors drink coke | Jul 16 22:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: snort | Jul 16 22:25 |
| dsmith_ | schestowitz: yep, thats movie advert for MS | Jul 16 22:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | actors snort coke | Jul 16 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Or say particular words (brand names) | Jul 16 22:25 |
| schestowitz | dsmith_: see iPhone ads in videos of Pussycat Dolls | Jul 16 22:25 |
| dsmith_ | thats another one | Jul 16 22:25 |
| trmanco | http://14.media.tumblr.com/GZbqLZ3AXpyis65yUyYtkh8eo1_400.jpg | Jul 16 22:25 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: LOL | Jul 16 22:26 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 22:26 |
| MinceR | what's with the "Menu", though? :> | Jul 16 22:26 |
| dsmith_ | LMAO | Jul 16 22:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr | Jul 16 22:26 |
| trmanco | I have no idea | Jul 16 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Now I can't keep a straight face saying twitter | Jul 16 22:26 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 22:27 |
| schestowitz | "Between Micro and soft.." | Jul 16 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like the "before" in a viagra ad | Jul 16 22:27 |
| MinceR | that's an old joke | Jul 16 22:27 |
| MinceR | it's said that gates named the company after his member | Jul 16 22:27 |
| kevin009 | anyone ever think MS will contribute to wine? | Jul 16 22:29 |
| schestowitz | BN will pass 7,000 posts in about 2 weeks | Jul 16 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Exc. appended pages, Wiki and all...weird how fast it goes. I used to be impressed by 1000 in my private blog | Jul 16 22:30 |
| MinceR | kevin009: i think they only will if they're forced to | Jul 16 22:30 |
| schestowitz | kevin009: no, they plan to extort | Jul 16 22:30 |
| MinceR | or if the company is taken over | Jul 16 22:30 |
| schestowitz | See Novell deaal | Jul 16 22:30 |
| schestowitz | April 2007 (redacted) | Jul 16 22:30 |
| MinceR | (if that's possible) | Jul 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/25/novell-10-k-released-redacted-agreement-available/ | Jul 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Also see: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/09/mono-patent-novell/ | Jul 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Did you see http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/16/microsoft-vs-linux-russia/ ? | Jul 16 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Folks from Russian contacted us to ensure there is a story in English of what Microsoft has been up to. | Jul 16 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | *About *Russia | Jul 16 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Windows Azure Cloud Meets MySQL http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/16/microsoft-windows-azure-meets-mysql/ | Jul 16 22:35 |
| trmanco | http://files.getdropbox.com/u/175241/boot/Ubuntu%20Karmic%20Koala%20animated%20boot%20splash%20idea.ogv | Jul 16 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Not exciting | Jul 16 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Turns out that "Lefty" works for Ubuntu, says Chips | Jul 16 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Works and gets paid by them if Chips is correct | Jul 16 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't bode well for them | Jul 16 22:43 |
| schestowitz | If it's true, then my gloves wrt Ubuntu might as well come off (never had any) and I will no longer install it on any of my machines or endorse it. I have it on 3 PCs at the moment | Jul 16 22:43 |
| trmanco | http://imgur.com/zmxh6.jpg | Jul 16 22:44 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 16 22:46 |
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| dsmith_ | lmao | Jul 16 23:02 |
| dsmith_ | I used that program last night | Jul 16 23:03 |
| dsmith_ | I did not however see it call me "U Suk" | Jul 16 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8147566.stm Cats 'exploit' humans by purring | Jul 16 23:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Moody: "Microsoft's military assault on the standards world deserves a written history; this is a good start." It's done. http://ping.fm ... | Jul 16 23:11 | |
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| schestowitz | hehe. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/07/15/windows-7-so-great-microsoft-is-giving-it-away-for-free/ Windows 7 so great Microsoft is giving it away for free | Jul 16 23:14 |
| schestowitz | People won't buy it, so Microsoft will dump it for lockin | Jul 16 23:14 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, about that 40% survey results for windows 7 | Jul 16 23:16 |
| jose_X | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/14/vista-7-fails-surveys-show/ | Jul 16 23:16 |
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| jose_X | says "If one thousand responses sounds high to you bear in mind that the firm sent out some 20,000 of the time-sucking surveys." | Jul 16 23:16 |
| jose_X | yet the survey I saw as a pdf had several questions | Jul 16 23:16 |
| jose_X | is http://scriptlogic.http.internapcdn.net/scriptlogic/downloads/whitepapers/Windows_7_Survey_Final.pdf the time-sucking survey? | Jul 16 23:17 |
| jose_X | or is there more... do you know? | Jul 16 23:17 |
| jose_X | time-sucking suggests most that don't care too much about Windows (or surveys) might not fill it out | Jul 16 23:17 |
| jose_X | and those with incentives or interests in windows or microsoft would | Jul 16 23:17 |
| jose_X | ..for the most part | Jul 16 23:17 |
| jose_X | Mr wong seems to want to give you a hard time, but his interpretation doesn't at all match what i am seeing | Jul 16 23:18 |
| jose_X | i figured i'd ask you about the "time-sucking" before posting to this thread http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/16/msbbc-daemonises-the-eu/#comments | Jul 16 23:19 |
| jose_X | which is where jonathan wong is posting about that survey | Jul 16 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 16 23:22 |
| jose_X | hey.. do you know if the survey was simply that pdf of a few questions? | Jul 16 23:22 |
| schestowitz | It's the ScriptLogic 'study' | Jul 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | I didn't look into it, BUT | Jul 16 23:23 |
| jose_X | i haven't read all the links.. i was wondering if you knew without going through much effort | Jul 16 23:23 |
| jose_X | oh.. no | Jul 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | All the news sites used it to show VIsta 7 was not well received | Jul 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Consistently | Jul 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Then Bott came up with the spin | Jul 16 23:23 |
| schestowitz | he's well in Microsoft's pcokets BTW | Jul 16 23:24 |
| jose_X | j wong quotes a guy that talks about total migrations at 40% | Jul 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | No-one denies it | Jul 16 23:24 |
| jose_X | but the poll asks about deploying | Jul 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | And then all the MS blogs started citing the Bott spin | Jul 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | The TE did so too | Jul 16 23:24 |
| jose_X | you can deploy in only 5% of your PCs | Jul 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | How to reverse studies | Jul 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I have more examples like that | Jul 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | It's the Spin Machine(R) | Jul 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Wong is a Microsoft TE | Jul 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to feed them | Jul 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | They are time wasters | Jul 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Some of them... actually just one... edited our Wiki earlier | Jul 16 23:25 |
| jose_X | i don't mind taking the time because it seems he is way off | Jul 16 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | he inserted self-promotional TE links | Jul 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: please have a go at it | Jul 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | If you can unspin his spin | Jul 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | I know how to do it | Jul 16 23:26 |
| schestowitz | but I'm falling behind Linux news | Jul 16 23:26 |
| schestowitz | In addition to being away for a week | Jul 16 23:26 |
| schestowitz | And we had like 200 comments in BN today, so it takes up a lot of time (blog vs news) | Jul 16 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I usually limit me time in BN to a few hours a day. The good news is that I can do BN for a long time to come. | Jul 16 23:27 |
| jose_X | thanks.. i'll read up a bit and then post based on what i find.. jonathan w is always free to correct me if i missed something. | Jul 16 23:28 |
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| jose_X | maybe i'll return to irc later | Jul 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: bear in mind he's paid | Jul 16 23:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wednesday Hearing in Government Fight to Silence Warrantless Wiretapping Case http://ping.fm/O488f | Jul 16 23:29 | |
| schestowitz | I don't like going into debate with shills | Jul 16 23:29 |
| jose_X | paid what? | Jul 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They can go on forever | Jul 16 23:29 |
| jose_X | he posted some things that appear to be way off | Jul 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They do it for a living | Jul 16 23:29 |
| jose_X | if so, maybe that was not money well paid | Jul 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | So they make long posts and play ping-ping until you run out of time | Jul 16 23:29 |
| schestowitz | So as to seem like they have the higher ground | Jul 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: wait. | Jul 16 23:30 |
| jose_X | waiting.. | Jul 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | You don't know he's a Microsoft Technical Evangelist?> | Jul 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | AstroTurfers | Jul 16 23:30 |
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| jose_X | you've said something like that | Jul 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Jul 16 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Summary: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/microsoft-slog.png | Jul 16 23:30 |
| jose_X | roy, i don't ask if people get paid to waste time. | Jul 16 23:31 |
| jose_X | if they are wasting time it will eventually be clear | Jul 16 23:31 |
| jose_X | you can't post garbage for 2000 posts and get away with it | Jul 16 23:31 |
| jose_X | otoh, if he has a point, i'd like to see. what i currently see is that he doesn't and is stretching quite a bit | Jul 16 23:31 |
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| jose_X | stretching | Jul 16 23:32 |
| jose_X | is too generous a term actually.. but that depends on the poll so i wanted to be sure of some things | Jul 16 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's spin | Jul 16 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft calls this whole thing "Jihad" (see PDF above) | Jul 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Their job it to promote at all costs | Jul 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | And by feeding them you offer them a platform | Jul 16 23:34 |
| jose_X | >> “The primary goal of this survey was to assess the impact of the weak economy on IT infrastructure projects and we found that, despite its impact on short-term plans, 41% of organizations plan a wholesale migration to Windows 7 by the end of 2010. This is actually a strong adoption rate when compared to the historical adoption rate of Windows XP in its first year which was cited as 12-14%.” | Jul 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has been watching BN for a while | Jul 16 23:34 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, notice "wholesale migration" | Jul 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | But it never participated until recently (comments, Wiki, Twitter, etc) | Jul 16 23:34 |
| jose_X | where did they get that from? | Jul 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | McDonalds | Jul 16 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Family Pack LOL | Jul 16 23:35 |
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| jose_X | the above quote was provided here http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/16/msbbc-daemonises-the-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-70091 | Jul 16 23:35 |
| jose_X | wholesale migrations | Jul 16 23:36 |
| jose_X | that's not what the poll says | Jul 16 23:36 |
| schestowitz | "Possible DNS Hack at Ireland's Largest ISP" http://news.softpedia.com/news/Possible-DNS-Hack-at-Ireland-039-s-Largest-ISP-115860.shtml | Jul 16 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | jose_X: they can exploit the fact most people won't watch the survey closely | Jul 16 23:36 |
| schestowitz | But if you want to feed him he'll bite | Jul 16 23:36 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, it's fine to keep track of what people say so that they have to answer | Jul 16 23:37 |
| jose_X | i prefer to look at their new message and see if it has problems | Jul 16 23:37 |
| jose_X | if they say something legitimate and you ignore them, it will show you are not looking at the message but at the messenger | Jul 16 23:37 |
| ThistleWeb | when surveys seem to jar with common sense, it should stand out to the non-follower that something ain't right. During a recession where EVERYONES money is tight, companies are going to the wall all the time, cutting back, laying peeps off, delaying projects etc so the LAST thing they're thinking of doing is throwing a fortune in new licences to Microsoft (or anyone else) to replace stuff they have that already suits their needs | Jul 16 23:38 |
| jose_X | i don't think this was a web survey, btw or was it? | Jul 16 23:38 |
| jose_X | out of 20K sent out (from what i read) 1000 replied | Jul 16 23:38 |
| jose_X | so that 40% becomes 2 percent | Jul 16 23:39 |
| ThistleWeb | in all likelyhood they won't want ANY more upheavel than they need, so even a switch to Linux wouldn't be considered until they absolutely have to choose to pay up or move | Jul 16 23:39 |
| jose_X | ThistleWeb, I completely agree, but did you see the foolish 3rd degree Jonathan Wong tried to give Schestowitz? | Jul 16 23:39 |
| ThistleWeb | or until the recession runs it's course and the ecconomy is on a stable upward path | Jul 16 23:39 |
| ThistleWeb | I did notice the about page on Wongs site, he makes it a virtue to invent stuff that aint real | Jul 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: this invalidates the survey | Jul 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Those replying are a sub-population | Jul 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | For example... well, isn't it obvious | Jul 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jul 16 23:40 |
| jose_X | always a subpopulation answers | Jul 16 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it's statistics inside statistics | Jul 16 23:40 |
| jose_X | but you have to take that into account or really you need to open up your process of selection so that it can be scrutinized | Jul 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Who replies among a population and among that population what is the commonality | Jul 16 23:41 |
| jose_X | or you have to have a track record of being correct | Jul 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | It's an invalid survey | Jul 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Like IDC's anti-Lnux | Jul 16 23:41 |
| jose_X | actually the latter is ripe for abuse | Jul 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They only surveyed Microsoft customers | Jul 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | To ensure fake results | Jul 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | By design | Jul 16 23:41 |
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| jose_X | maybe provide a link to this small conversation as a reply to J Wong | Jul 16 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Will do | Jul 16 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Give me 2 minutes | Jul 16 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | Done. </table> | Jul 16 23:45 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/16/msbbc-daemonises-the-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-70150 | Jul 16 23:46 |
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| ThistleWeb | lol, theres already a comment after yours schestowitz from sabyion user | Jul 16 23:48 |
| ThistleWeb | you know how to attract the shills | Jul 16 23:48 |
| schestowitz | The trolls who harass BN IRC are also putting poison in LT: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-15-016-35-OS-BZ-CY-0002 | Jul 16 23:49 |
| ThistleWeb | I guess right now he must be at work | Jul 16 23:49 |
| schestowitz | "Zilog" | Jul 16 23:49 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: you mean "Windows User" | Jul 16 23:49 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah lol | Jul 16 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Always using WIndows... for months | Jul 16 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Then blaming the router | Jul 16 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Yeah.. using a Linux behind powerful 1337 Windows routers or firewalls?? Naaa....... | Jul 16 23:50 |
| ThistleWeb | I hate using my XP partition, it always feel foreign to me, so it's like a quick in & out when I need to, making plans for my podcasts (copied to the xp partition since windows don't see ext3) | Jul 16 23:51 |
| ThistleWeb | when I get a new PC I'll be able to have a virtual XP so it won't be so hard | Jul 16 23:51 |
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| ThistleWeb | sabyon aint a beginer distro either | Jul 16 23:54 |
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| ThistleWeb | if you're using a distro like that, you need to manually do a lot of stuff | Jul 16 23:54 |
| ThistleWeb | and that being the case, assuming you're skilled there, there's no way in hell you'd allow a security hole on your network by running Windows as a router | Jul 16 23:55 |
| ThistleWeb | or a firewall | Jul 16 23:55 |
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