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fewa | Got Solar Panels? Utility Wants To Charge You For Not Using Their Energy http://consumerist.com/5323004/got-solar-panels-utility-wants-to-charge-you-for-not-using-their-energy | Jul 28 00:26 |
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EDavidBurg | so what's the general consensus here on MS Linux code submission? | Jul 28 00:39 |
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tessier__ | EDavidBurg: It's GPL so not much can go wrong with the code in particular but it's clearly an effort to get everyone onto hyper-v which only runs with Windows management. | Jul 28 00:40 |
fewa | but APIs that do what they want are already in the kernel | Jul 28 00:47 |
fewa | there is no reason to clutter the kernel | Jul 28 00:47 |
EDavidBurg | Well, they might be able to make it work better and faster because they have access to the code that they're making it integrate with and can consult with the authors and documentors of said code. | Jul 28 00:50 |
They got busted with a GPL violation and it took them 2 years to comply. | Jul 28 00:50 | |
EDavidBurg | But, I'm not very familiar with what they're coding | Jul 28 00:51 |
I no more want to run GNU/Linux on to of a M$ VM than I want to run Windows. | Jul 28 00:51 | |
So, thanks but no thanks for the modules. | Jul 28 00:51 | |
EDavidBurg | They were more aimed at people using windows servers already but who wanted to use features only found on linux. So, to keep them from switching to native linux, MS is making linux work better with their system | Jul 28 00:53 |
EDavidBurg | 90% of software for me is "thanks but no thanks", as I don't need it. | Jul 28 00:54 |
Come to dinner, said the spider to the fly. | Jul 28 00:54 | |
EDavidBurg | Spiders can trap flies. Isn't the point of the GPL that no one can trap linux? | Jul 28 00:55 |
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See ACPI for previous abuse. | Jul 28 00:55 | |
http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/183403 | Jul 28 00:56 | |
fewa | thread here http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/867190 | Jul 28 00:57 |
balzac | I'll have to write a stinging rebuttal to Linus Torvalds again | Jul 28 01:03 |
balzac | "I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease." Linus Torvalds | Jul 28 01:03 |
balzac | There are ?extremists? in the free software world, but that?s one major reason why I don?t call what I do ?free software? any more. I don?t want to be associated with the people for whom it?s about exclusion and hatred.? | Jul 28 01:04 |
balzac | Linus Torvalds | Jul 28 01:04 |
EDavidBurg | Thought that one might rile you guys up | Jul 28 01:04 |
balzac | He keeps using language like "hatred" | Jul 28 01:04 |
balzac | and "extremists" | Jul 28 01:04 |
balzac | Where on GNU.org or FSF.org does it say "We hate Microsoft"? | Jul 28 01:04 |
balzac | Richard Stallman is not a hater | Jul 28 01:05 |
balzac | but Linus Torvalds often denigrates and disparages his elder, the venerable Richard Stallman | Jul 28 01:05 |
balzac | Is it because Linus Torvalds is trying to marginalize Richard Stallman out of an impulse of greed? | Jul 28 01:05 |
balzac | Why is he always attacking the reputation, misrepresenting Richard Stallman and the purpose of the FSF? | Jul 28 01:06 |
balzac | It's probably disingenuous and profit-motivated. | Jul 28 01:06 |
balzac | EDavidBurg: as you can see, I'm not "riled up", but I'm committed to the defense of the Free Software brand and the stated purpose of the GNU GPL Preamble. | Jul 28 01:07 |
balzac | Public misrepresentation must be challenged. | Jul 28 01:07 |
balzac | The stakes are too high to allow the venerable GNU project to be used as a punching bag or a whipping boy for greedy corporate types. | Jul 28 01:08 |
EDavidBurg | What he's saying is, that some people take this stuff too seriously and have lost their focus | Jul 28 01:08 |
balzac | Well, I've confronted such a person here directly. | Jul 28 01:09 |
EDavidBurg | They're out there "fighting the good fight" and focusing on "the bad guys" instead of just making and using good software, and being content with that. | Jul 28 01:09 |
balzac | But people like that don't represent BoycottNovell, nor do they represent the FSF. | Jul 28 01:09 |
balzac | EDavidBurg: it's not about good software. | Jul 28 01:09 |
balzac | have you ever visited fsf.org ? | Jul 28 01:09 |
EDavidBurg | balzac: I'm glad you can admit that | Jul 28 01:09 |
balzac | yeesh | Jul 28 01:09 |
balzac | it's about something much more important. | Jul 28 01:10 |
EDavidBurg | Who wants good software when there's a crusade to fight? | Jul 28 01:10 |
balzac | freedom | Jul 28 01:10 |
balzac | not a crusade. | Jul 28 01:10 |
balzac | it's defense of what already belongs to us. | Jul 28 01:10 |
balzac | control of our own computers. | Jul 28 01:10 |
balzac | it's sharing with others the freedom they never even knew they could have, because of companies like Microsoft. | Jul 28 01:11 |
balzac | The resistance to Microsoft is noble. | Jul 28 01:11 |
balzac | and it is not hatred. | Jul 28 01:11 |
EDavidBurg | ... | Jul 28 01:11 |
EDavidBurg | Do you know how many times I've heard someone say they hate MS? | Jul 28 01:11 |
balzac | I don't care. | Jul 28 01:12 |
EDavidBurg | and defame windows and anything else associated with them? | Jul 28 01:12 |
balzac | Windows is inferior software. | Jul 28 01:12 |
EDavidBurg | I thought it wasn't about good or bad software. | Jul 28 01:12 |
balzac | but windows advocates prefer to focus on the emotion, not what matters. | Jul 28 01:12 |
balzac | it's not the main thing | Jul 28 01:12 |
balzac | but man have I been having a better time since I quit using windows. | Jul 28 01:13 |
balzac | no more flakey OS for me. | Jul 28 01:13 |
EDavidBurg | That's all good and dandy; so have I. But there's no need to go to the lengths that many free software advocates have. | Jul 28 01:13 |
balzac | RMS is the one who makes the official rhetoric of the Free Software Foundation | Jul 28 01:14 |
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balzac | We will not have our reputation smeared by sock-puppets | Jul 28 01:14 |
balzac | This conversation is reminding me I better watch this intern who may be at the office tomorrow. | Jul 28 01:16 |
balzac | He's indoctrinated. | Jul 28 01:16 |
EDavidBurg | We wouldn't want him thinking bad thoughts, would we? | Jul 28 01:16 |
EDavidBurg | Not in this fight for freedom... | Jul 28 01:16 |
balzac | If he can't comprehend the value of computer user's autonomy and the reason for the strong software communities and user's groups, I won't waste my time. | Jul 28 01:16 |
EDavidBurg | No, that would be a grave error indeed! | Jul 28 01:16 |
balzac | No, but I won't have my business undermined by a Microsoftie. | Jul 28 01:17 |
EDavidBurg | Undermined? How? | Jul 28 01:17 |
balzac | It would be a grave error to trust someone who is already ideologically indoctrinated against software freedom. | Jul 28 01:17 |
balzac | There are many ways this intern could become a problem for me down the road. | Jul 28 01:18 |
balzac | Interfering with other sub-contractors, for example. | Jul 28 01:18 |
EDavidBurg | What work are you doing, and in what ways would his ideological differences in regards to free software undermine your work? | Jul 28 01:18 |
balzac | I insist each person who will be employed by me does not use Windows as their primary OS. | Jul 28 01:18 |
balzac | In every way. | Jul 28 01:18 |
balzac | Furthermore, I prefer GNU-licensed software. | Jul 28 01:19 |
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balzac | If an employee doesn't understand the value of the stated purpose of the GNU licenses, they're either dense, stubborn, indoctrinated, but definitely not employable. | Jul 28 01:19 |
EDavidBurg | balzac: what type of work are you doing? | Jul 28 01:20 |
balzac | Develompent and consulting. | Jul 28 01:20 |
EDavidBurg | So, let me get this straight: Because someone does not agree with your stated opinion on free software, they must be dense and unemployable? | Jul 28 01:22 |
EDavidBurg | And they're the one who is indoctrinated? | Jul 28 01:22 |
balzac | No, you didn't get it straight. You got it twisted. | Jul 28 01:22 |
balzac | Computer user's freedom and autonomy - it matters. If you want security, you cannot use windows. | Jul 28 01:23 |
balzac | If an empoyee refuses to understand the basics of security, autonomy, and freedom to operate their computer as they wish, they can't work for me. | Jul 28 01:24 |
balzac | It's really basic. | Jul 28 01:24 |
balzac | People have to be indoctrinated to give up control to other administrators and programmers | Jul 28 01:25 |
EDavidBurg | You say "understand the basics of" but what you seem to mean is "agree with my opinions on" | Jul 28 01:25 |
balzac | people have to lose their indoctrination to see things as they are, and to retain their full rights as computer users. | Jul 28 01:25 |
EDavidBurg | You're starting with the premise that you are correct, and that all other opinions must come from those who are not as enlightened as you | Jul 28 01:25 |
balzac | Wrong. That's not my premise. | Jul 28 01:26 |
EDavidBurg | You believe you are not indoctrinated? | Jul 28 01:26 |
EDavidBurg | You're refusing employment to those who disagree with a license. A document. A doctrine, if you will. | Jul 28 01:26 |
balzac | It's an objective fact that I'm correct in my understanding. | Jul 28 01:26 |
EDavidBurg | If that's not indoctrination, I don't know what is. | Jul 28 01:26 |
balzac | I won't. It's not a doctrine. It's a license. | Jul 28 01:27 |
balzac | It's very directly effective on how software published under the license will affect users and programmers. | Jul 28 01:27 |
balzac | You don't know what indoctrination is. | Jul 28 01:28 |
EDavidBurg | It's a license whose preamble sets out the FSF's ideological stance on free software. | Jul 28 01:28 |
balzac | Thank goodness it does. | Jul 28 01:28 |
EDavidBurg | Is that not a doctrine? | Jul 28 01:28 |
balzac | When every other license either attacks your freedom or remains indifferent to it. | Jul 28 01:28 |
EDavidBurg | A doctrine is a codified ideological stance... | Jul 28 01:29 |
balzac | indifference is not bad, and not always good. | Jul 28 01:29 |
balzac | I'm not here to mince words and argue about interpretations of words. | Jul 28 01:29 |
balzac | I will not employ someone who will undermine my business. | Jul 28 01:29 |
I have some idea of that, Windows and M$ defame themselves-> EDavidBurg: and defame windows and anything else associated with them? | Jul 28 01:29 | |
balzac | And I'll look at them with a keen and skeptical eye. | Jul 28 01:29 |
http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/182053 | Jul 28 01:29 | |
balzac | And I'll send this intern away so he won't waste my time if he can't comprehend such a simple thing on the first day. | Jul 28 01:30 |
but really, I'm not interested in being "riled up" by some kind of M$ troll | Jul 28 01:30 | |
EDavidBurg | balzac: you know, when people do that in the government, it's called corruption | Jul 28 01:30 |
balzac | what? | Jul 28 01:30 |
*** twitter ignores EDavidBurg troll. | Jul 28 01:30 | |
EDavidBurg | twitter: when have I said anything positive about MS? | Jul 28 01:30 |
EDavidBurg | twitter: In fact I explicitly stated that I do not use it. | Jul 28 01:31 |
balzac | you're saying a small business owner doesn't have the right to choose who to employ? | Jul 28 01:31 |
balzac | You think I'm legally obligated to hire a person who would sell me out? | Jul 28 01:31 |
balzac | Sounds like Microsoft logic. | Jul 28 01:31 |
EDavidBurg | balzac: I'm not saying that. I'm saying you need to lighten up. | Jul 28 01:31 |
balzac | No dude, I already have a light-hearted attitude towards Microsoft. | Jul 28 01:32 |
balzac | Just not on the success of my business. | Jul 28 01:32 |
balzac | I must succeed. | Jul 28 01:32 |
EDavidBurg | We haven't been talking about microsoft for a while. | Jul 28 01:32 |
balzac | I laugh at Steve Ballmer's antics, I read Bill Gates latest article without resentment. | Jul 28 01:32 |
balzac | But I resist. | Jul 28 01:32 |
balzac | It's because I don't hate Microsoft, nor do I hate Microsoft employees. | Jul 28 01:33 |
balzac | I don't hate my friend's dad. | Jul 28 01:33 |
balzac | I don't hate myself for having used it for years. | Jul 28 01:33 |
balzac | I never hated microsoft, but I've been frustrated and deprived of my freedom as a computer user by Microsoft's archaic licenses. | Jul 28 01:34 |
balzac | So I don't appreciate Linus Torvald's smear of the Free Software community. | Jul 28 01:34 |
EDavidBurg | He wasn't maligning the free software community, he was saying that there are people who get way too worked up about it and hate microsoft | Jul 28 01:36 |
EDavidBurg | A lot of those people gravitate towards the FSF because some of their beliefs overlap | Jul 28 01:36 |
EDavidBurg | He never said "The FSF is a bunch of MS hating, mouth breathing extremists" | Jul 28 01:37 |
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cubezzz | I never use windows for personal use, it's just not good | Jul 28 01:54 |
cubezzz | I have logical non-emotional reasons for not using it | Jul 28 01:54 |
There are logical, non emotional reasons free software is better than Windows. | Jul 28 01:55 | |
and many, many reasons to never trust M$ | Jul 28 01:56 | |
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EDavidBurg | I have a logical, non emotional reason for not using it, too. 1) I don't like it as much as alternatives 2) It doesn't do what I want | Jul 28 01:58 |
balzac | EDavidBurg: he was maligning the free software community. He mentioned "Free Software" by name. | Jul 28 01:58 |
cubezzz | well, for me, it just borks up too much :) | Jul 28 01:58 |
cubezzz | I enjoy programming, FOSS is just way more appealing to me | Jul 28 01:59 |
balzac | Whenever the Free Software brand is attacked by a proponent of the Open Source brand, I'm comfortable retaliating just to preserve our brand recognition. | Jul 28 01:59 |
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balzac | Open Source is a pale imitation of the original Free Software. | Jul 28 02:00 |
tessier__ | FOSS lets you share and show off with your friends. I've never been able to share anything I coded for a job. :( | Jul 28 02:00 |
tessier__ | FOSS lets me actually show off some code at interviews too. | Jul 28 02:00 |
balzac | [[F]] -OSS | Jul 28 02:00 |
cubezzz | yeah, it can give you some street cred :) | Jul 28 02:00 |
balzac | I'm going to stop speaking of "open source" in a favorable light. | Jul 28 02:00 |
tessier__ | We need a hot chick with big tits who knows how to cut through the pedantic bullshit to show people the benefits of Freedmo. | Jul 28 02:01 |
tessier__ | Freedom | Jul 28 02:01 |
tessier__ | RMS and balaz just aren't cutting it. :( | Jul 28 02:01 |
tessier__ | balzac | Jul 28 02:01 |
balzac | yeah, the FSF needs booth babes | Jul 28 02:01 |
tessier__ | This keyboard is weird. | Jul 28 02:01 |
cubezzz | it's really the OEM's | Jul 28 02:01 |
cubezzz | and the stores | Jul 28 02:01 |
balzac | tessier__: I'm doing a fine job and RMS is too. But I'm an enforcer, not an enticer. | Jul 28 02:01 |
tessier__ | Being stinky, ugly, and annoying do not make for good salespeople. | Jul 28 02:01 |
cubezzz | what do you get at the store, you get windows 99.9% of the time | Jul 28 02:01 |
operator error - > tessier__: This keyboard is weird. | Jul 28 02:02 | |
EDavidBurg | balzac: notice the caps. Free Software is the FSF. "free software" is the movement at large. | Jul 28 02:02 |
balzac | Booth babes would be a good addition, but they can't replace someone who retaliates against attacks on the brand. | Jul 28 02:02 |
tessier__ | balzac: You are a gadfly, nothing more. | Jul 28 02:02 |
balzac | You can't replace Roy schestowitz with a booth babe. | Jul 28 02:02 |
balzac | tessier__: who the fuck are you? | Jul 28 02:02 |
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Bill Gates seems to have done well -> tessier__: Being stinky, ugly, and annoying do not make for good salespeople. | Jul 28 02:02 | |
balzac | I'm not doing sales, I'm doing retaliation. Those are two different modes. | Jul 28 02:03 |
tessier__ | twitter: No, he is not a salesman. He has huge teams of hot sales and marketing people to spread his message. | Jul 28 02:03 |
cubezzz | people are waking up, I've converted many win boxes to Linux this year. it seems to be gaining momentum | Jul 28 02:03 |
balzac | tessier__: who are you? | Jul 28 02:03 |
balzac | calling me a gadfly? | Jul 28 02:03 |
tessier__ | balzac: You know or can easily find out who I am. It's not like I hide it. | Jul 28 02:03 |
balzac | I'm Paul Gaskin | Jul 28 02:03 |
tessier__ | I am Tracy Reed. | Jul 28 02:03 |
balzac | My website is: http://www.disruptech.com | Jul 28 02:03 |
tessier__ | http://tracyreed.org | Jul 28 02:03 |
balzac | I'm an IT professional | Jul 28 02:03 |
tessier__ | So now you know who is calling you a gadfly. | Jul 28 02:03 |
you are full of shit tessier___ | Jul 28 02:04 | |
tessier__ | Professionals generally don't go around making enemies of the people you want to convert to your side. | Jul 28 02:04 |
tessier__ | twitter: eh? | Jul 28 02:04 |
I don't think Tracy Reed is rude like you are being. | Jul 28 02:04 | |
tessier__ | I've never been anything but sweet talked by any MS person I have met in person. | Jul 28 02:04 |
balzac | tessier__: I want to bring people to my side, or failing that, marginalize them. | Jul 28 02:05 |
tessier__ | twitter: How have I been rude? | Jul 28 02:05 |
balzac | big deal. | Jul 28 02:05 |
*** twitter ignores fake tessier | Jul 28 02:05 | |
tessier__ | heh | Jul 28 02:05 |
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/business/bill-gates/ | Jul 28 02:05 | |
tessier__ | I'm identified to this nick. I'm pretty sure I'm not a fake tessier. | Jul 28 02:05 |
balzac | tessier__: you praise Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman on your website. | Jul 28 02:06 |
balzac | You seem reasonable, but not entirely accurate in your account of things. | Jul 28 02:06 |
-> The photo [mug shot] also unintentionally captures classic Gates: completely wrecked hair, terrible looking clothes, generally slovenly appearance, and two glazed eyes staring out past thick glasses. This image changed very little over the bulk of Gates' career, with the shower taps running at much less frequency than the money taps. It should also be noted that this isn't some heaping of sour grapes from the gutter staring up | Jul 28 02:06 | |
balzac | "Linus Torvalds wrote the Linux kernel but Richard M Stallman made it Free." | Jul 28 02:07 |
Stinky, ewwww. | Jul 28 02:07 | |
balzac | Well, actually RMS made the license first. Linus Torvalds chose the license. The license facilitated a developer community. Linus wrote about 2% of the kernel code. | Jul 28 02:07 |
balzac | So you exaggerate Linus Torvald's work relative to RMS' work | Jul 28 02:08 |
balzac | and you call GNU/Linux just "Linux" | Jul 28 02:08 |
cubezzz | compiler was pretty important | Jul 28 02:08 |
balzac | You're not egregious as some people who completely and deliberately ignore RMS, but you still don't give him full credit. | Jul 28 02:08 |
balzac | I'm glad you emphasize freedom. | Jul 28 02:09 |
balzac | But slightly disappointed you think I'm a "gadfly". | Jul 28 02:09 |
balzac | I suppose it's because I criticize Linus Torvalds who maligns the Free Software community by using words like "extremist" and "hateful" to describe it. | Jul 28 02:10 |
tessier__ | balzac: You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. It's cliche but it's true. | Jul 28 02:11 |
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tessier__ | I don't agree with Linux that the FSF is extremist or hateful. | Jul 28 02:12 |
tessier__ | I wish he would align himself more with FSF. | Jul 28 02:12 |
ATT is full of shit about DDoS attacks or caring. Every US ISP is a major source of spam and DDoS because so many people use M$ Windows. | Jul 28 02:15 | |
OS News has been trolly lately. ->(01:49:43 PM) schestowitz: Here's the type of stuff that had me dump OS News. | Jul 28 02:16 | |
ha, non free software fail. Windows won't fix that problem. -> goblin_: reason for fail: Almost immediately I had to get my hands dirty with the command line to get the NVidia drivers working. | Jul 28 02:17 | |
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cubezzz | the internet is a mess and a big part of that is Microsoft's fault | Jul 28 02:27 |
cubezzz | proprietary protocols for various things ... I'm sure you all have read the halloween documents | Jul 28 02:28 |
cubezzz | these rogue security programs floating around, they're just nasty | Jul 28 02:31 |
The messier parts of the internet exterminate themselves. | Jul 28 02:37 | |
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Drop box? Why not just run Apache? | Jul 28 02:39 | |
and OpenSSH? | Jul 28 02:39 | |
Apache - works with any OS that also has a browser. | Jul 28 02:39 | |
or wget | Jul 28 02:39 | |
Ah! Ars. So many words, so little understanding. http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/07/pirate-partys-copyright-reform-cannon-could-sink-copyleft.ars | Jul 28 02:44 | |
RMS is not worried about the license, he's worried about the freedom it protects. | Jul 28 02:45 | |
The code escrow does not protect against patents and Tivoization, which both negate the [already low] value of having source code to currently non free software. | Jul 28 02:46 | |
Software freedom is a thing that society should protect with positive laws. | Jul 28 02:47 | |
The Pirate Party already wants to get rid of DRM and software patents, but they need to do that first before they gut copyleft. | Jul 28 02:49 | |
People should make laws against non free software practices. A company that Tivoises free software robs both the community and their customers, it is a public offense, aka a crime. | Jul 28 02:51 | |
balzac | tessier__: tell that to Linus Torvalds. He has a much higher profile than I do and he's always spraying vinager at RMS. | Jul 28 02:53 |
balzac | Software patents are completely absurd. | Jul 28 02:55 |
balzac | I'm quite proud of the Swedish Pirate Party. | Jul 28 02:55 |
balzac | I don't think DRM can be gotten rid of, nor should be gotten rid of by law. | Jul 28 02:55 |
balzac | But patents should not be applicable to software. | Jul 28 02:55 |
balzac | Nor should patents be allowed to freeze up the innovation in the design of circuits where the circuit pattern has effectively become a physical manifestation of some common idea. | Jul 28 02:57 |
balzac | Some patents make sense, some are just grabbing an obvious idea everyone already knew about and trying to tax others. | Jul 28 02:57 |
balzac | RMS is right about his response to the Pirate Party's 5 year copyright proposal. | Jul 28 03:01 |
balzac | The 5 year copyright seems uneccessary | Jul 28 03:02 |
balzac | and too short | Jul 28 03:02 |
balzac | Seems like the Pirate Party has some very young people doing their thinking. | Jul 28 03:02 |
balzac | 5 years goes by very quickly | Jul 28 03:03 |
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Nice Xandros pages, Roy! | Jul 28 03:04 | |
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tessier | balzac: Their rep to congress/assembly/whatever is middle-aged | Jul 28 03:32 |
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ah yes, something fun http://t16web.lanl.gov/Kawano/gnuplot/index-e.html | Jul 28 03:41 | |
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cj | balzac: indeed. Reagan's changes in the early 80s did not help the system, unless you have an extra million dollars sitting around | Jul 28 05:01 |
Diablo-D3 | heh | Jul 28 05:02 |
Diablo-D3 | no president's changes have ever helped | Jul 28 05:02 |
Diablo-D3 | they only delay the inevitable | Jul 28 05:02 |
Diablo-D3 | the morons will inherit the earth | Jul 28 05:02 |
BlackDog | they have a good chior thought !!! | Jul 28 05:03 |
Diablo-D3 | ... | Jul 28 05:06 |
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Diablo-D3 | also | Jul 28 06:09 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft has officially announced win7 rtm | Jul 28 06:09 |
BlackDog | the "release to morons" version :D | Jul 28 06:15 |
Diablo-D3 | hehehehe | Jul 28 06:15 |
tessier | hehe | Jul 28 06:16 |
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MinceR | :) | Jul 28 06:31 |
BlackDog | I was goign to say "release to masicists" but I cant spell that | Jul 28 06:35 |
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MinceR | masochists | Jul 28 06:50 |
MinceR | but morons works too | Jul 28 06:51 |
MinceR | better, in fact | Jul 28 06:51 |
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schestowitz | Hey | Jul 28 07:05 |
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tessier__ | schestowitz: Hi | Jul 28 07:24 |
schestowitz | Hi there. I see balzac has been rude | Jul 28 07:30 |
schestowitz | Someone has just mailed me some secrets about the inside of VMware.. :-) | Jul 28 07:32 |
schestowitz | tessier: high load... 17 | Jul 28 07:37 |
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tessier__ | Indeed. | Jul 28 07:59 |
tessier__ | Seems to come in spikes. | Jul 28 07:59 |
tessier__ | I don't know why. | Jul 28 07:59 |
tessier__ | A few times a day. | Jul 28 07:59 |
tessier__ | I think the SAN behind it all is far from optimal. Fixing that might help. Otherwise I don't know what can be done aside from reducing the database load by implementing some more caching. | Jul 28 08:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fact Checking? UK Paper Simply Takes The Word Of Guy Who Claims WiFi Allergy < http://ping.fm/u8Ole Checking? UK Paper Simply Takes The ... | Jul 28 08:04 | |
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Krenso | Hello | Jul 28 08:30 |
Krenso | Have you read figuere post about gnote and his motivations | Jul 28 08:31 |
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Krenso | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2009/07/27/680-why-i-did-write-gnote | Jul 28 08:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Wants to Give RAND Terms to Free Software http://ping.fm/49SND | Jul 28 08:34 | |
schestowitz | I knew why he did it, let's see what he says now | Jul 28 08:35 |
schestowitz | "Even though I'd love to have help, I definitely will maintain it as long as I can. The next release will have a boatload of features and fixes, including D-Bus support, etc. It is all in git. One has to admit the pace as slowed down recently because I have been working on other things, including AbiWord and Niepce." | Jul 28 08:36 |
Krenso | I think he made gnote as revenge | Jul 28 08:40 |
Diablo-D3 | RREEVVEEEN--wait, what? | Jul 28 08:40 |
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Krenso | what is the case with trans | Jul 28 08:56 |
Krenso | core vs etc corp | Jul 28 08:57 |
schestowitz | Jul 28 08:22:24 <Krenso>and now somebody from novell had a conversation with him | Jul 28 08:57 |
schestowitz | Jul 28 08:22:50 <Diablo-D3>shit, what the fuck do I have to do to get a conversation with novell | Jul 28 08:57 |
schestowitz | Jul 28 08:23:05 <Krenso>and he hopes to get back to novell or some other company | Jul 28 08:57 |
schestowitz | Unlikely | Jul 28 08:57 |
schestowitz | But he's not a Mono guy | Jul 28 08:57 |
schestowitz | He probably adapted it for his needs because "he was bored" | Jul 28 08:58 |
schestowitz | Boredom and merits of C++ is what he claimed to be the reason before | Jul 28 08:58 |
Krenso | after you are fired, you create something which competes with you employer's product | Jul 28 08:59 |
Krenso | Boredom? maybe | Jul 28 09:00 |
Krenso | *your | Jul 28 09:00 |
schestowitz | Not always | Jul 28 09:04 |
schestowitz | But it's possible | Jul 28 09:04 |
schestowitz | Luc from RadeonHD still contributes to it after being fired | Jul 28 09:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linus Torvalds’ Attitude Towards Free Software is Not News http://ping.fm/nzDqo | Jul 28 09:06 | |
Krenso | Ms can brake promise? http://www.law.com/jsp/ihc/PubArticleIHC.jsp?id=1202432431633 | Jul 28 09:08 |
Krenso | I don't understand what are the implications for mono | Jul 28 09:09 |
Krenso | from this tomecore vs etc corp case | Jul 28 09:09 |
schestowitz | Microsoft's trap may not work | Jul 28 09:10 |
schestowitz | CP footnotes/fine prints can work against them | Jul 28 09:11 |
fewa | What they are doing is estoppel | Jul 28 09:13 |
fewa | *is barred by estoppel | Jul 28 09:13 |
fewa | If it can be shown that they purposefully misrepresented what they were doing | Jul 28 09:16 |
fewa | to entrap | Jul 28 09:16 |
BlackDog | they wouldl have to break the promise first | Jul 28 09:17 |
fewa | If it indeed was a promise then they cant break it, as it was legally binding | Jul 28 09:17 |
BlackDog | thats right | Jul 28 09:18 |
fewa | if it doesn't cover what they say it covers, then they are barred by estoppel from suing on those issues which they lied | Jul 28 09:18 |
BlackDog | thats right, if they break their promise, they can, but not before | Jul 28 09:19 |
fewa | BlackDog, wrong | Jul 28 09:19 |
BlackDog | estoppel is breaking a promise you make, not making a promise you might or could break. | Jul 28 09:20 |
BlackDog | you have to do the crime before you do the time. | Jul 28 09:20 |
fewa | In general, estoppel protects an aggrieved party, if the counter-party induced an expectation from the aggrieved party, and the aggrieved party reasonably relied on the expectation and would suffer detriment if the expectation is not met. | Jul 28 09:21 |
fewa | Go back to spin school | Jul 28 09:21 |
BlackDog | thats right , you are right, that expectation is the promise you speak of, the breaking would be the agreiving part. again you still have to break the rule (the promise) or falsly represent before you are liable. | Jul 28 09:22 |
fewa | BlackDog, wrong, stop putting words in my mouth | Jul 28 09:23 |
BlackDog | ok, tell me what you would charge them for if they have not broken the promise ? | Jul 28 09:23 |
fewa | estopple is a defense | Jul 28 09:23 |
schestowitz | Bte, Mutex | Jul 28 09:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux is Shrinking Microsoft’s Margins http://ping.fm/j8HOI | Jul 28 09:27 | |
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schestowitz | It's Mutex again | Jul 28 09:28 |
schestowitz | He'll back back with a new identity | Jul 28 09:28 |
fewa | yep | Jul 28 09:28 |
schestowitz | Apple and death...... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/27/foxconn_badmouths_dead_engineer/ | Jul 28 09:34 |
Krenso | It's defence against expectations, not against braking the promise? | Jul 28 09:34 |
fewa | Mainly against promises | Jul 28 09:34 |
fewa | but creating an expectation is a form of promise | Jul 28 09:34 |
fewa | if its explicit | Jul 28 09:34 |
fewa | but promises would moreso be ruled by contracts? | Jul 28 09:35 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/steve-jobs-wtf.jpg | Jul 28 09:35 |
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fewa | schestowitz, ugh, and foxconn is in the pocket of MSFT too | Jul 28 09:37 |
martinjh99 | Roy if your about congrats on 7000 posts... | Jul 28 09:37 |
fewa | that whole bad ACPI fiasco | Jul 28 09:37 |
schestowitz | fewa: no, many companies | Jul 28 09:38 |
schestowitz | foxconn is )huge_ | Jul 28 09:38 |
schestowitz | martinjh99: thanks | Jul 28 09:38 |
martinjh99 | Have learnt a bit too... :) | Jul 28 09:38 |
schestowitz | Microsfy hasn't | Jul 28 09:38 |
schestowitz | *microsoft | Jul 28 09:39 |
schestowitz | It just learns how to pretend | Jul 28 09:39 |
martinjh99 | usually more details about what Ive been hearing in the news or read abouot on groklaw... | Jul 28 09:39 |
fewa | well yes this ACPI thing even came directly from BillG's email | Jul 28 09:39 |
schestowitz | http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03020.pdf | Jul 28 09:42 |
schestowitz | I have a follow-on post about that soon. | Jul 28 09:42 |
schestowitz | http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/7000/PX07255.pdf Gates: "What do we want in cameras for metadata and UI? What do we want relative to device discovery? (hopefully patented stuff)." | Jul 28 09:42 |
martinjh99 | Roy cant download that first pdf... 403 error | Jul 28 09:43 |
schestowitz | wallclimber helps me fetch the text | Jul 28 09:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The News Goes 3D on YouTube < http://ping.fm/JEEtC > | Jul 28 09:43 | |
schestowitz | martinjh99: works from here | Jul 28 09:43 |
fewa | http://xkcd.com/612/ | Jul 28 09:44 |
martinjh99 | Using Quassel IRC on KDE... Cant do it from FF either... | Jul 28 09:44 |
martinjh99 | in fact the whole site / is 403 for me... | Jul 28 09:45 |
schestowitz | martinjh99: ahhhhhhhh | Jul 28 09:45 |
fewa | sweet i need to find some 3d glasses | Jul 28 09:45 |
schestowitz | Must be phorm | Jul 28 09:45 |
schestowitz | SLated.org bans Phorm-infected ISPs | Jul 28 09:45 |
schestowitz | Your ISP is British | Jul 28 09:46 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's Phorm-infected | Jul 28 09:46 |
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schestowitz | Also, I think Slated.org bans IE | Jul 28 09:46 |
martinjh99 | Yes Virgin... I guess thats the case then :( How about a mirror somewhere else... | Jul 28 09:46 |
schestowitz | But that's probably not the reason in this case | Jul 28 09:46 |
schestowitz | Yes, Virgin is Phorm-infected | Jul 28 09:46 |
schestowitz | This means that Virgin customers are disadvantages by Virgins's greed for people's browsing habit (illegal) | Jul 28 09:47 |
martinjh99 | True... | Jul 28 09:47 |
schestowitz | *disadvantaged , *habits | Jul 28 09:47 |
fewa | Branson | Jul 28 09:47 |
schestowitz | https://www.dephormation.org.uk/?page=7 | Jul 28 09:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.dephormation.org.uk/images/bt_total_spyware_blocked.png | Jul 28 09:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.dephormation.org.uk/images/kt_blocked.png | Jul 28 09:48 |
schestowitz | Now they go on Dabs.. https://www.dephormation.org.uk/images/boycottdabs.gif | Jul 28 09:49 |
martinjh99 | Bit of a pain in the ass though | Jul 28 09:50 |
schestowitz | fewa: progress bar is a patent | Jul 28 09:50 |
schestowitz | Not Microsoft's | Jul 28 09:50 |
schestowitz | Microsoft gave the progress bar a bad name though | Jul 28 09:50 |
schestowitz | martinjh99: not my choice | Jul 28 09:50 |
martinjh99 | Not saying it is Roy just saying in general... | Jul 28 09:51 |
schestowitz | I don't block anything.... I ad a little button for IE users to choose a better browser and move to GNU/Linux though | Jul 28 09:51 |
Ng | wow those dephormation htaccess rules are pretty harsh | Jul 28 09:51 |
tacone | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2009/07/27/680-why-i-did-write-gnote | Jul 28 09:51 |
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schestowitz | Ng: the idea is that people are annoyed, then learn why it is caused (most people know nothing) and then shout at the ISP | Jul 28 09:52 |
schestowitz | It might be the only effective way | Jul 28 09:52 |
schestowitz | tacone: Red Hat should hire him to port f-spot or something | Jul 28 09:52 |
tacone | fspot ? | Jul 28 09:53 |
schestowitz | "It's not a fork... it's a hub" | Jul 28 09:53 |
tacone | fspot is probably worthless, since solang birth | Jul 28 09:53 |
schestowitz | Yeah.. | Jul 28 09:53 |
schestowitz | Just sayin'.... | Jul 28 09:53 |
tacone | and fspot is deprecated | Jul 28 09:53 |
tacone | nobody works on it anymore | Jul 28 09:53 |
tacone | that's the reason they're rebasing it on banshee. | Jul 28 09:54 |
tacone | the sad reality is that tomboy aside.. there's nothing to port anymore. | Jul 28 09:55 |
tacone | banshee is the equivalent of rhythmbox | Jul 28 09:55 |
tacone | what else ? | Jul 28 09:55 |
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schestowitz | Some people fancy gnome-do | Jul 28 10:02 |
MinceR | i do | Jul 28 10:02 |
MinceR | especially the files and folders plugin :> | Jul 28 10:02 |
tacone | ah, yes, gnome-do | Jul 28 10:03 |
schestowitz | De Icaza also developed a whole raft of "hello World" 'applicstions' in Mono | Jul 28 10:03 |
tacone | yes, that may be desiderable | Jul 28 10:03 |
MinceR | unfortunately the debian package seems to lack both plugins and the configuration dialog | Jul 28 10:03 |
MinceR | maybe it's an ancient version | Jul 28 10:03 |
schestowitz | Mono has some users.. now, if only it could attract actual developers other than Novell employees... | Jul 28 10:03 |
tacone | oh shall HelloIcazas be ported ? :) | Jul 28 10:03 |
Muttley | tacone: strange, last commit to f-spot git was 20 hours ago | Jul 28 10:03 |
Krenso | 20 hours is not much | Jul 28 10:04 |
tacone | Muttley: yes, i exaggerated | Jul 28 10:04 |
Muttley | clearly | Jul 28 10:04 |
schestowitz | "commit #37622: changed stimestamp" | Jul 28 10:04 |
Krenso | Maybe there are no big commits, becase they feel it has everythinh they wanted | Jul 28 10:05 |
MinceR | someone who knows x programming well should port gnome-do | Jul 28 10:05 |
Krenso | how is solang development? | Jul 28 10:05 |
Muttley | also they aren't rewriting all of f-spot in banshee, just the part that manages files | Jul 28 10:05 |
Muttley | the idea being that f-spot can concentrate on photo manipulation | Jul 28 10:05 |
schestowitz | fewa: was it you who spoke of Ozone? http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/26/climate-change-obama-administration | Jul 28 10:05 |
MinceR | hm, actually i do have plugins installed and they don't show | Jul 28 10:06 |
tacone | Krenso: no, I don't think f-spot it's active. a good reason to re-implement it on banshee | Jul 28 10:06 |
schestowitz | Black professor in race row arrest accepts Obama's invitation for a beer < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/25/obama-race-row-professor-beer > | Jul 28 10:07 |
tacone | Muttley: nice clarification | Jul 28 10:07 |
fewa | schestowitz, yeah i was trying to get the originals of those | Jul 28 10:07 |
fewa | there are a bunch of comparisons like that | Jul 28 10:07 |
Muttley | the idea with banshee platform is that it become a framework for storing media. then you have clients connect and do their stuff | Jul 28 10:07 |
fewa | but i cant find them in high def on the NOAA site | Jul 28 10:07 |
Muttley | so you can have a movie player client, an f-spot client, a music player client | Jul 28 10:07 |
Muttley | they don't have to care about storing and managing the media | Jul 28 10:08 |
Muttley | personally I think it's a great idea | Jul 28 10:08 |
MinceR | and a word processor client and a spreadsheet client | Jul 28 10:08 |
fewa | what a wholesome abuse of "classified" lables | Jul 28 10:08 |
schestowitz | Like Netscape Navigator | Jul 28 10:08 |
MinceR | we already have a framework for storing media that works very well, it's called the "file system" :> | Jul 28 10:08 |
schestowitz | Just hold on while it starts... get coffee | Jul 28 10:08 |
tacone | if that's true (photo manipulation) i wouldn't hope to see results soon | Jul 28 10:09 |
tacone | not if f-spot doesn't receives more funding, at least. | Jul 28 10:09 |
fewa | MinceR, yep, anyone who tries to replace the file system is nuts | Jul 28 10:09 |
Muttley | MinceR: and if you're happy with that it's fine with me | Jul 28 10:09 |
Muttley | I want something slightly more advanced | Jul 28 10:09 |
fewa | you can add a database to the file systems, but keeping the system is important | Jul 28 10:09 |
MinceR | i think it should be extended, not replaced | Jul 28 10:09 |
Muttley | luckily the joy of open source is that I can use the programs I like and you can use the ones you like | Jul 28 10:09 |
fewa | ie indexing | Jul 28 10:09 |
Krenso | MinceR, but file systems don't support metadat (id3, exif etc) | Jul 28 10:09 |
MinceR | yes they do | Jul 28 10:09 |
fewa | the internet is one big file system, with database indexes | Jul 28 10:10 |
MinceR | extended attributes and the like | Jul 28 10:10 |
MinceR | or you could add a database, index the files with it and write queries in the vfs | Jul 28 10:10 |
MinceR | then any app would be able to make arbitrary queries | Jul 28 10:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Slap on the wrist for cop who assaulted paramedic < http://ping.fm/ucaxn > | Jul 28 10:12 | |
fewa | waha | Jul 28 10:14 |
fewa | http://gfl.usgs.gov/Publications.shtml | Jul 28 10:14 |
fewa | slashdot found them | Jul 28 10:14 |
Krenso | maybe banshee will be that: database, indexed data and queries but available through mono | Jul 28 10:14 |
MinceR | and so the entire framework goes away if m$ sues | Jul 28 10:14 |
MinceR | brilliant. | Jul 28 10:14 |
fewa | really f-spot stored photos in a database? | Jul 28 10:15 |
fewa | wtf | Jul 28 10:15 |
Krenso | no, novell will still use it. And xandros, turbolinux etc. Those who pay | Jul 28 10:15 |
Muttley | fewa: no, it stored data about the photos in a database | Jul 28 10:15 |
MinceR | afaik it stored them in some place that belonged to it | Jul 28 10:15 |
MinceR | once m$ sues, novell's usefulness will end | Jul 28 10:15 |
MinceR | there won't be a novell anymore, or at least not much of it, just like sco | Jul 28 10:16 |
fewa | Krenso, thats called a racket, and its illegal | Jul 28 10:16 |
schestowitz | Did anyone say gnote was anti-Mono?? http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/28/the-why-behind-gnote/ | Jul 28 10:16 |
Muttley | that's if m$ bothers suing over something that doesn't really lose them any revenue | Jul 28 10:16 |
schestowitz | I wrote about the possibility of gnote getting rid of Mono | Jul 28 10:16 |
schestowitz | I didn't say he started this as a revenge against Mono for legal/idealogical reasons | Jul 28 10:17 |
MinceR | that is if m$ bothers attacking something that's eating their revenue, you mean? :> | Jul 28 10:17 |
schestowitz | That's justa side effect | Jul 28 10:17 |
Muttley | MinceR: how is a media platform on linux eating their revenue? | Jul 28 10:17 |
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schestowitz | Krenso: Xandros"? | Jul 28 10:17 |
schestowitz | Really? | Jul 28 10:18 |
schestowitz | Like Turbolinux they are irrelevant | Jul 28 10:18 |
MinceR | Muttley: gnu/linux itself is, and they're trying to kill it with mono | Jul 28 10:18 |
Muttley | haha | Jul 28 10:18 |
schestowitz | Xandros has not even released a desktop Linux in ages | Jul 28 10:18 |
Muttley | on servers maybe | Jul 28 10:18 |
Muttley | on desktops... | Jul 28 10:18 |
Muttley | gardly | Jul 28 10:18 |
Muttley | hardly | Jul 28 10:18 |
MinceR | the media platform is just a part of this, if your dream of replacing the file system with it happens then it can be a great part of that plan | Jul 28 10:18 |
MinceR | come on, tell us how gnu/linux doesn't exist on desktops | Jul 28 10:19 |
MinceR | so that we can laugh in your face | Jul 28 10:19 |
Muttley | is that what I said? | Jul 28 10:19 |
Muttley | no | Jul 28 10:19 |
Muttley | but please spin my words | Jul 28 10:19 |
MinceR | i suspected that was what you were leading towards | Jul 28 10:19 |
schestowitz | Nop[e | Jul 28 10:19 |
schestowitz | He talked about Xandros | Jul 28 10:19 |
Muttley | really? | Jul 28 10:19 |
MinceR | trying to go ahead of the train of thought :> | Jul 28 10:19 |
schestowitz | Almost no-one uses it on desktops now | Jul 28 10:19 |
schestowitz | Xandros had that ASUS thing | Jul 28 10:19 |
Muttley | I've used a linux desktop for 9 years. I think I know about linux on desktops | Jul 28 10:19 |
schestowitz | Not desktop | Jul 28 10:19 |
schestowitz | Presto... Windows-only | Jul 28 10:20 |
MinceR | they still have that asus thing, don't they? | Jul 28 10:20 |
MinceR | oh, right | Jul 28 10:20 |
MinceR | though iirc they switched to some fast-boot linux thing now | Jul 28 10:20 |
MinceR | (beside windows) | Jul 28 10:20 |
satipera | There is an interview by Peter Day with the CEO of Red Hat on the open source business model for Global business ont the BBC World Service, I thought you may want to spread the link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p003r602/Global_Business_Hats_off_to_Red_Hat/ For those outside the UK they will have to check the World Service schedules. | Jul 28 10:20 |
MinceR | i still think their tablet is a step backwards | Jul 28 10:20 |
MinceR | oh, presto is a fast-boot gnu/linux distro too | Jul 28 10:21 |
Muttley | MinceR: maybe if you don't jump to the conclusion that everyone who doesn't completely agree with you is a pro-ms shill you might not get so worked up | Jul 28 10:21 |
MinceR | sorry, we are routinely flooded with pro-m$ shills | Jul 28 10:22 |
schestowitz | "I say bring in Microsoft's code. But make it work not as well as it could so in the end people will opt for a Linux host. That is what Microsoft would do if it was the other way around...." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-27-027-35-OP-CY-MR-0000 | Jul 28 10:22 |
MinceR | that's not a proper engineering decision, imo | Jul 28 10:23 |
MinceR | their code should be left out | Jul 28 10:23 |
MinceR | because there's already code that does the same thing, afaik | Jul 28 10:23 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-27-027-35-OP-CY-MR-0002 " Exactly my thoughts. | Jul 28 10:23 |
schestowitz | Linus is renowned for being detached from Politics -- and that's his right. As it's ours not to share his "tech über alles" philosophy. | Jul 28 10:23 |
schestowitz | These M$-loving critters are starting to look like ticks: they don't look nice and I'm afraid of getting patent diseases from them. | Jul 28 10:23 |
schestowitz | And this time, I don't feel sorry to be blunt: it's past time already, after all these ad hominem attacks -- all completely unrelated to Linux. | Jul 28 10:23 |
schestowitz | Another (related) thing: .Net is a product of M$. Pay to use it! With enough paying clients, M$ might make a Linux version. If not, it shows they don't care -- will they care about Mono? | Jul 28 10:23 |
schestowitz | " | Jul 28 10:23 |
MinceR | but they've bought their way in already, so it's all water under the bridge now | Jul 28 10:23 |
schestowitz | That's a quote above BTW | Jul 28 10:24 |
schestowitz | Didn't paste it properly | Jul 28 10:24 |
MinceR | i'm afraid linux is being whored out now | Jul 28 10:24 |
schestowitz | "And this time, I don't feel sorry to be blunt: it's past time already, after all these ad hominem attacks -- all completely unrelated to Linux." | Jul 28 10:24 |
schestowitz | "Another (related) thing: .Net is a product of M$. Pay to use it! With enough paying clients, M$ might make a Linux version. If not, it shows they don't care -- will they care about Mono?" | Jul 28 10:24 |
schestowitz | MinceR: they do the same in vmware | Jul 28 10:25 |
schestowitz | I hear MCSEs are taking over | Jul 28 10:25 |
schestowitz | and Microsoft execs | Jul 28 10:25 |
schestowitz | They inflitrate even this IRC channel | Jul 28 10:26 |
schestowitz | cj for example | Jul 28 10:26 |
schestowitz | Former Microsofters | Jul 28 10:26 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: who cares though | Jul 28 10:27 |
Diablo-D3 | I mean, Bill could logon right now | Jul 28 10:27 |
Diablo-D3 | I'd be like "Hi Bill, I heard your ultra long term Microsoft investment is shitting out on you." | Jul 28 10:28 |
fewa | whores | Jul 28 10:28 |
Diablo-D3 | and he'd be like "I'm still the richest man in the universe." | Jul 28 10:28 |
Diablo-D3 | and we'd laugh | Jul 28 10:28 |
schestowitz | WHat..? /: | Jul 28 10:29 |
Diablo-D3 | Its called sarcasm. | Jul 28 10:29 |
Muttley | hehe | Jul 28 10:32 |
Diablo-D3 | http://pastebin.ca/1509814 | Jul 28 10:32 |
*Diablo-D3 gets out his censorship stick | Jul 28 10:32 | |
*Diablo-D3 beats that guy with it | Jul 28 10:32 | |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, but still... | Jul 28 10:37 |
schestowitz | Tether an Android Phone Using Proxoid http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Productivity-Sauce-Dmitri-s-open-source-blend-of-productive-computing/Tether-an-Android-Phone-Using-Proxoid?blogbox | Jul 28 10:37 |
schestowitz | "I pray that they are caught, rounded up, prosecuted beyond the extent of the law, thrown in a windowless cell and locked up forever until the day they die." | Jul 28 10:39 |
schestowitz | That's harsh | Jul 28 10:39 |
schestowitz | It was DDoS mitigation, they claim | Jul 28 10:39 |
schestowitz | Now they get DDoS on their staff, by E-mail complaints | Jul 28 10:39 |
schestowitz | Truck drivers! Don't go texting now http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/28/texting_trucks/ | Jul 28 10:40 |
schestowitz | Blog Spam < http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/07/27/No-Blog-Spam > | Jul 28 10:44 |
schestowitz | Jo Shields favors us with a special remix of Ubuntu. < http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/28/chicken-little-remix-up/ > | Jul 28 10:47 |
schestowitz | No Mono | Jul 28 10:47 |
tacone | wow | Jul 28 10:48 |
schestowitz | it'ss an insult | Jul 28 10:51 |
schestowitz | "chicken" | Jul 28 10:51 |
tacone | ... | Jul 28 10:52 |
schestowitz | like Jo's avatar | Jul 28 10:52 |
tacone | i wouldn't pick this kind of details | Jul 28 10:52 |
tacone | I like the happening, even if it won't be mantained. | Jul 28 10:53 |
schestowitz | SueMe Linux was not maintained | Jul 28 10:53 |
schestowitz | Neither is the Suemelinux.com Web site | Jul 28 10:54 |
Krenso | OpenSueMe | Jul 28 11:02 |
schestowitz | Sesame | Jul 28 11:03 |
tacone | lol | Jul 28 11:04 |
tacone | sueme :) | Jul 28 11:04 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft says it won't do ARM, but some fools keep spreading contradictory FUD. http://www.unthinkable.biz/home/article/394/ | Jul 28 11:11 |
Krenso | What about this storie, saying c# books selling is declining | Jul 28 11:12 |
Krenso | *story | Jul 28 11:12 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft is merely making the best of the situation. The drivers in question violated the GPL and, once this was discovered by Vyatta, they were FORCED to release them or face a lawsuit. They then proceeded to spin this event as a positive contribution to OSS. The pigs have yet to fly, the horse hasn't changed color, and hell is still uncomfortably toasty." | Jul 28 11:23 |
schestowitz | http://linuxmednews.com/1248210795 | Jul 28 11:23 |
schestowitz | Krenso: what about it? | Jul 28 11:23 |
schestowitz | Do You Bing? Yahooers May Soon Search With Microsoft < http://adage.com/digital/article?article_id=138138 > That would be digusting -- Microsoft bullying a company that buy its market share | Jul 28 11:26 |
schestowitz | And at the same time using Feds against Google to prevent a similar deal | Jul 28 11:26 |
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Krenso | is it really delclining? Or every other languagae books selling is low, except objective-c and javascript? | Jul 28 11:34 |
schestowitz | I quoted Balrog on a factual observation | Jul 28 11:37 |
schestowitz | What applies to some other language aside | Jul 28 11:38 |
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schestowitz | Peter Yared, as usual, curses FOSS: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/technology_at_work/archives/2009/07/the_failure_of.html | Jul 28 11:46 |
schestowitz | Why are CNET and other publications give him a platform? | Jul 28 11:46 |
schestowitz | He also spreads Microsoft's patent FUD | Jul 28 11:46 |
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Ng | schestowitz: he's not cursing FOSS, he's commenting on the commercial aspects of it | Jul 28 11:51 |
Ng | and he's not exactly wrong, but I think he's right for the wrong reasons, iyswim :) | Jul 28 11:51 |
Ng | companies like those tend to take a bunch of FOSS components and integrate them with layers of awful nonsense which they make a "community edition" of and then a fully featured commercial one | Jul 28 11:52 |
Ng | the best example of that would be Zimbra, which is a terrible, terrible mess | Jul 28 11:52 |
schestowitz | Ng: I judge him by previous such 'columns' | Jul 28 11:52 |
Ng | I'm not familiar with his past work | Jul 28 11:53 |
schestowitz | I didn't read this BW article, but I saw his name and remembered his warpath against FOSS | Jul 28 11:53 |
schestowitz | Including utter BS like justification of Microsoft racketeering | Jul 28 11:53 |
oiaohm | There are all kinda of Foss models. | Jul 28 11:54 |
oiaohm | Realy Foss is way broader in business styles compared to closed source. | Jul 28 11:55 |
schestowitz | *LOL* Mrs Martin, she annoys me < http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/07/27/mrs-martin-she-annoys-me/ > | Jul 28 11:55 |
schestowitz | Fianlly. | Jul 28 11:55 |
schestowitz | Feud between Caltlin and Radu made themselves famous ? on Centos < http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/38455#comment-10971 > | Jul 28 11:56 |
schestowitz | ^MSFT inevstor/troll | Jul 28 11:56 |
schestowitz | This is bad: http://my.opera.com/it-s/blog/2009/07/27/wallpaper-a-day-day-2 | Jul 28 11:56 |
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oiaohm | http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2009/07/ohh-my-god-debian-ubuntu-package.html << Finally a application I don't think MS can clone. | Jul 28 12:00 |
>ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Jul 28 12:05 | |
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*schestowitz sets ban on *!*@58.166.70.68 | Jul 28 12:05 | |
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schestowitz | Mutex again | Jul 28 12:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft violated the GPL after all: http://ping.fm/IooaM | Jul 28 12:05 | |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: wget no good? | Jul 28 12:06 |
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oiaohm | That program is more a presetup lists schestowitz. | Jul 28 12:07 |
oiaohm | Open source developers come in all shapes and forms. | Jul 28 12:08 |
Krenso | is it analysis of book selling biased? Should we say java and python is obsolete too? It's to early for victory | Jul 28 12:18 |
schestowitz | You can scale it relatievly | Jul 28 12:20 |
schestowitz | And these are just _book_ sales from one company | Jul 28 12:20 |
schestowitz | The claims that C# is "taking over" are refuted easily | Jul 28 12:20 |
schestowitz | People use RoR, PHP, even Java | Jul 28 12:21 |
schestowitz | WordPress, Drupal, etc | Jul 28 12:21 |
schestowitz | Maybe I'll get back ti posting links twice per day | Jul 28 12:22 |
Krenso | So maybe it would be be better "c# books sell is declining as other languagaes, except objective-c and javascript". It would be more fair | Jul 28 12:22 |
*schestowitz mekes teac | Jul 28 12:22 | |
Krenso | such analysis put us in bad light imho | Jul 28 12:23 |
schestowitz | Does exherbo use mono? | Jul 28 12:24 |
Ng | it has packages of it | Jul 28 12:26 |
Ng | http://git.exherbo.org/summer/repositories/mono/index.html | Jul 28 12:26 |
oiaohm | Book selling shows a problems with tools and provided documentation. | Jul 28 12:28 |
oiaohm | when it comes to programming. | Jul 28 12:28 |
oiaohm | .net programming must not be as simple as they claim. | Jul 28 12:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Computer Magazine Recommends GNU/Linux for Audio Studio http://ping.fm/zbpvq | Jul 28 12:29 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vanity Credit Card with Linux Foundation Branding http://ping.fm/6Q85M | Jul 28 12:31 | |
schestowitz | oiaohm: what's up with LinuxDevices.com? | Jul 28 12:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Satire: GNU/Linux Free as in "Communism"?!?! Microsoft Says So http://ping.fm/T125O | Jul 28 12:34 | |
oiaohm | eweek normal slowness on thing schestowitz. Lot of new cpu devices just after the mid year. Devices normally following using them next month. | Jul 28 12:35 |
schestowitz | eWeek is slow too | Jul 28 12:35 |
schestowitz | But LinuxDevices is o vacation it sems | Jul 28 12:36 |
oiaohm | http://www.linuxfordevices.com << Not really. | Jul 28 12:37 |
oiaohm | If you have a old rss feed link you are kind missing out. Another normal eweek thing renaming there god darn sites. | Jul 28 12:37 |
schestowitz | What's that? | Jul 28 12:37 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmm.. | Jul 28 12:38 |
oiaohm | linuxdevices.com eweek renamed to linuxfordevices.com | Jul 28 12:38 |
oiaohm | Normal old eweek annoyance. | Jul 28 12:38 |
oiaohm | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-CortexA8/ The 9 form of this is going to be interesting | Jul 28 12:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux RAM Consumption Today Same as Windows About a Decade ago http://ping.fm/iY9EQ | Jul 28 12:41 | |
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oiaohm | More correct is Linux ram requirements basically have not moved in a Decade. | Jul 28 12:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux in Automobiles Seems Promising http://sglnx.com/?p=133 | Jul 28 12:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Linux Fight Over "the Desktop" Becomes Blurred as Desktops Deform http://ping.fm/LN2cZ | Jul 28 12:46 | |
oiaohm | Its a old game schestowitz. Cannot win on a battle field. Change the battle field to something that suits you. | Jul 28 12:47 |
schestowitz | Google does | Jul 28 12:47 |
schestowitz | sub-notebooks and phones | Jul 28 12:47 |
schestowitz | Android and Chrome OS (not reprectively) | Jul 28 12:48 |
schestowitz | *respectively | Jul 28 12:48 |
oiaohm | Exactly changing the battle field. | Jul 28 12:48 |
oiaohm | A idea windows supportters overlook. | Jul 28 12:48 |
oiaohm | Linux is lining up for a fight. But are moving the field first. | Jul 28 12:48 |
schestowitz | Microsoft chases back | Jul 28 12:48 |
schestowitz | Sells WIndows XP... | Jul 28 12:49 |
schestowitz | For $5 | Jul 28 12:49 |
Krenso | why you ask about exherbo. I know this distro a little. | Jul 28 12:49 |
schestowitz | I know | Jul 28 12:49 |
schestowitz | That's why I brought it up | Jul 28 12:49 |
oiaohm | Also Linux is getting its foot holds in bios. | Jul 28 12:51 |
oiaohm | Hold the bios have machine completely. | Jul 28 12:51 |
Krenso | There is no mono in exherbo gnome set | Jul 28 12:53 |
Krenso | http://git.exherbo.org/?p=gnome.git;a=blob;f=sets/gnome.conf;h=a62c06760b1f02005f0a46f185e2ad68a580f1a8;hb=fca6aa0a804ef7c900bc8206d3302809039bab3e | Jul 28 12:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 Problems Show Why It's Good to Migrate to GNU/Linux Now http://ping.fm/NmI1N | Jul 28 12:54 | |
Krenso | You have to even add mono repo manually. The same goes with other repos except the arbor | Jul 28 12:56 |
oiaohm | I like fedora is heading. Mult users per machine. | Jul 28 12:56 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why GNU/Linux Sucks (Satire) http://ping.fm/OsRxe | Jul 28 12:57 | |
Krenso | is there any exherbo user? | Jul 28 12:57 |
schestowitz | The developers I suppose | Jul 28 12:58 |
schestowitz | It's a young distro | Jul 28 12:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Univa Deploys GNU/Linux Servers http://ping.fm/mxNoG | Jul 28 13:00 | |
Krenso | hmm, right. Exherbo has no users, only developers. | Jul 28 13:01 |
schestowitz | It's a niche | Jul 28 13:02 |
schestowitz | It's like saying that Qimo has no adult users | Jul 28 13:02 |
schestowitz | It's not intended to | Jul 28 13:02 |
schestowitz | That may change later | Jul 28 13:02 |
schestowitz | Debian>Ubuntu | Jul 28 13:03 |
Krenso | i like this quote "exherbo is trying to have the least users possible". | Jul 28 13:05 |
Krenso | or "exherbo in suahili means fuck you" | Jul 28 13:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Even KDE Skeptics Starts Loving K Desktop Environment 4.3 http://ping.fm/6YtRx http://ping.fm/yTAAY | Jul 28 13:06 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: ^^for you | Jul 28 13:06 |
schestowitz | Krenso: CHruchill had something to say about it IIRC | Jul 28 13:06 |
schestowitz | Something about a club that's not exclusive just not being worth it | Jul 28 13:06 |
schestowitz | So exherbo is exclsuive-elitist | Jul 28 13:06 |
schestowitz | Works for some characters | Jul 28 13:06 |
schestowitz | Freedom | Jul 28 13:06 |
schestowitz | Krenso: in exherbo, you must append "!!" to all commands, not just for root | Jul 28 13:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hannah Montana Linux Shows the Fun of GNU/Linux Flexibility http://ping.fm/HFyty | Jul 28 13:09 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mandriva Added KDE 4.3 (RC3) Packages to the Repository http://ping.fm/bqEvq | Jul 28 13:11 | |
schestowitz | ^Great distro. | Jul 28 13:12 |
Krenso | I don't think elitism is intended in exherbo. | Jul 28 13:12 |
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Krenso | it's rather "users has no rights to demand anything" | Jul 28 13:13 |
Krenso | read my analysis http://rofrol.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/exherbo-community/ | Jul 28 13:13 |
schestowitz | "demand" -- no | Jul 28 13:14 |
schestowitz | request -- yes | Jul 28 13:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux4Afrika Conceived http://ping.fm/1Th81 Why Africans Should Use GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/to7Iu | Jul 28 13:18 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat on the MSBBC, Boot Camp http://ping.fm/tJaSt http://ping.fm/tZFLG | Jul 28 13:19 | |
MinceR | schestowitz: i still wonder if _i_ will :> | Jul 28 13:21 |
schestowitz | You might. nothing to lose.. | Jul 28 13:21 |
schestowitz | sudo apt-get install kde-desktop | Jul 28 13:21 |
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MinceR | i'm not on ubuntu right now :> | Jul 28 13:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fedora 12 Looks Exciting http://ping.fm/QDBTg , Red Hat Tells Microsoft to Quit the Racketeering http://ping.fm/sdaa0 | Jul 28 13:23 | |
MinceR | btw debian lenny doesn't really have both kde3 and kde4 | Jul 28 13:24 |
oiaohm | Mind you people starting liking KDE is 1 . version ahead of my guess. Ie it was kde 4.4 | Jul 28 13:24 |
schestowitz | mikankun: cool. | Jul 28 13:24 |
schestowitz | Yeah, maybe 4.5 | Jul 28 13:24 |
schestowitz | 3.x is still here (pclos 2009 for example) | Jul 28 13:24 |
MinceR | i ought to learn how to use stow, especially for non-autoconf stuff, including proprietary/other binary | Jul 28 13:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Partner Program Analysed http://ping.fm/WJOWJ http://ping.fm/aOB6e | Jul 28 13:26 | |
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schestowitz | wb, wallclimber | Jul 28 13:27 |
wallclimber | Good morning! | Jul 28 13:27 |
wallclimber | it's 6am here | Jul 28 13:27 |
wallclimber | been reading all the new stuff... | Jul 28 13:28 |
schestowitz | There's not much new stuff this week | Jul 28 13:29 |
schestowitz | Which is why it's good I organised the Wiki more | Jul 28 13:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Embedded Linux Trailblazer Says Linux Presence is Underestimatd http://ping.fm/lJHla | Jul 28 13:29 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Asus and Acer Offer New Products with Both GNU/Linux and Windows http://ping.fm/nwe8q http://ping.fm/SZA3O | Jul 28 13:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Penguin-shaped Bootable Linux USB Drives Hit the Streets http://ping.fm/XGtfm | Jul 28 13:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] God has forsaken Linux. http://bit.ly/yf5cU | Jul 28 13:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest Victory for Linux (on Phones): Sprint http://ping.fm/hb3Gl | Jul 28 13:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Palm's New Phones Constitute a Win for Linux http://ping.fm/KdQhT | Jul 28 13:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] H-P Sells Sub-notebooks with GNU/Linux for Less Than Those with Antiquated XP http://ping.fm/Km6rZ | Jul 28 13:39 | |
Krenso | isn't request synonime to demand? | Jul 28 13:42 |
Diablo-D3 | hmm | Jul 28 13:44 |
Diablo-D3 | hey schestowitz | Jul 28 13:44 |
Diablo-D3 | thats HP | Jul 28 13:44 |
Diablo-D3 | not H-P | Jul 28 13:44 |
Diablo-D3 | and that review is mostly crap | Jul 28 13:45 |
Diablo-D3 | thats $499 australian dollars | Jul 28 13:45 |
Diablo-D3 | US HP is selling it for $280 | Jul 28 13:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Free your content - "all rights reserved" will make it irrelevant http://bit.ly/SUTPF | Jul 28 13:46 | |
Diablo-D3 | which is actually pretty damned cheap | Jul 28 13:47 |
Diablo-D3 | cheapest eees, msi winds, and aspire ones are $299 and up | Jul 28 13:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hardware-assisted 3D Acceleration Comes to FOSS Web Browser http://ping.fm/T0Sr1 | Jul 28 13:50 | |
Diablo-D3 | although to be fair | Jul 28 13:51 |
Diablo-D3 | I'd change out the cpu for the n280 and get the 6 cell battery | Jul 28 13:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox 4.0 Design Mockups Start Flying http://ping.fm/B9UXZ http://ping.fm/1bDAW http://ping.fm/e6c7g | Jul 28 13:52 | |
Diablo-D3 | and go for the 16gb flash drive | Jul 28 13:53 |
Diablo-D3 | and switch to 2gb of memory | Jul 28 13:53 |
Diablo-D3 | and pick up a second ac adapter | Jul 28 13:54 |
Diablo-D3 | shit, thats $440 | Jul 28 13:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Departure Photos from OSCON 2009 http://ping.fm/Crj1W | Jul 28 13:54 | |
Diablo-D3 | I might as well just buy a damned laptop | Jul 28 13:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company That Sells GNU/Linux Appliances Gets $20,000,000 in Funding http://ping.fm/Dg3Ed | Jul 28 13:56 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] VistA (the Free Software, Not the Microsoft Disaster) Gets a Lot More Advanced http://ping.fm/3z7QY | Jul 28 13:58 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source API to Tame Fog Computing is Still Yearned for http://ping.fm/6TlI9 | Jul 28 13:59 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Telecom Cartels May Be Targeting Skype with FUD http://ping.fm/OZwGC | Jul 28 14:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IBM to Put More Emphasis on GNU/Linux in Mainframes http://ping.fm/nakOS | Jul 28 14:07 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gates Foundry Quits India and Leaves Government to Pay for US Patents http://ping.fm/UbeKP | Jul 28 14:08 | |
oiaohm | http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/07/from-russia-with-linux.html schestowitz ripples are starting over MS backing down and supporting the browser ballot. | Jul 28 14:23 |
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schestowitz | yes, I saw that | Jul 28 14:24 |
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lots of trolls out today http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/28/linus-torvalds-on-free-software/#comments | Jul 28 14:43 | |
wayne | no "fair use" for filesharing: http://government.zdnet.com/?p=5145 | Jul 28 14:43 |
why do you let people like Eet continue to spam BN? | Jul 28 14:43 | |
I know he'll just use nyms to get around blocking but still. Ick. | Jul 28 14:44 | |
Something amusing happened to me while reading that article. I read, " Regarding Microsoft’s loadable module" as " Regarding Microsoft’s loadable mouth" as in M$ is able to stuff Linus' mouth. | Jul 28 14:45 | |
Linus' bad attitude really shines through in that GL comment. | Jul 28 14:46 | |
He was both technically wrong and plain wrong headed. | Jul 28 14:47 | |
GPL3 does nothing to keep people from making signed binaries, but does everything to avoid loss of freedom via Tivo attack and patents. | Jul 28 14:48 | |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlDL-767LYE&NR=1 | Jul 28 14:49 |
Diablo-D3 | its officially summer | Jul 28 14:52 |
I'm glad projects are moving to GPL3. If it were not for that, we will all get "Linux" as a bunch of sorry little devices like cellphones that no one can modify. | Jul 28 14:52 | |
Diablo-D3 | todays the first day I had to turn my AC on | Jul 28 14:52 |
hmmm, that youtube link does not work with clive | Jul 28 14:53 | |
schestowitz | Reader: "I've got that Chicken Little feeling, but at least I don't have Mono :) " | Jul 28 14:55 |
schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/28/chicken-little-remix-up/ | Jul 28 14:55 |
schestowitz | Linus might have to accept GPLv3 | Jul 28 14:55 |
schestowitz | Right now he's trying to crash RMS' credibility IMHO | Jul 28 14:55 |
schestowitz | His last pointless resort | Jul 28 14:55 |
schestowitz | *crush | Jul 28 14:55 |
Linus needs to understand and admit he was wrong. | Jul 28 14:56 | |
schestowitz | "Hi, Roy, | Jul 28 14:56 |
schestowitz | Have the MSFTers responded to the open invitation to Mono proponents | Jul 28 14:56 |
schestowitz | with anything other than attacks and name calling? Carla's invite seems | Jul 28 14:56 |
schestowitz | unanswered to date. Perhaps it is because Mono is not a safe or | Jul 28 14:56 |
schestowitz | functional alternative to J2EE | Jul 28 14:56 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2009061102135OSCY " | Jul 28 14:56 |
I have never seen anything like she asked for -> Say anything you want, keeping in mind of course the LT TOS, which in a nutshell is no swear words and no personal attacks. | Jul 28 14:59 | |
every defense of mono is filled with personal attacks. | Jul 28 15:00 | |
schestowitz | It was | Jul 28 15:00 |
Ng | schestowitz: RMS does a perfectly good job of destroying his own credibility every time he turns up somewhere ;) | Jul 28 15:00 |
schestowitz | eventually she published Jo's junk with a personal attack] | Jul 28 15:00 |
schestowitz | On me too | Jul 28 15:00 |
schestowitz | Claiming or associating me with some death wishes or something | Jul 28 15:00 |
schestowitz | Citing troll comments | Jul 28 15:00 |
schestowitz | The trolls keep creating new accounts | Jul 28 15:00 |
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schestowitz | Ng: maybe for you | Jul 28 15:01 |
and it was as all others were, " fractured, wandering, and emotional" | Jul 28 15:01 | |
she should have edited the thing | Jul 28 15:02 | |
Ng | schestowitz: I suspect I'm not alone there :) | Jul 28 15:02 |
schestowitz | This is interesting... on how education-imposed debt is used to turn educated people to passive troops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa8UoZVXobk&feature=related | Jul 28 15:02 |
but there would have been very little left | Jul 28 15:02 | |
Ng | why might linus "have to accept GPLv3"? | Jul 28 15:02 |
schestowitz | We'll see what Oracle does with OpenSolaris | Jul 28 15:03 |
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schestowitz | Hehe. http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/images/gpl3-reloaded.jpg | Jul 28 15:12 |
schestowitz | I saw this while looking for GPL images | Jul 28 15:12 |
Eruaran | Richard Morpheus Stallman ? | Jul 28 15:13 |
There's not much left that this guy misses about Vista now. http://opendaily.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/6-things-i-miss-about-windows-vista-in-linux/ | Jul 28 15:15 | |
:) | Jul 28 15:15 | |
schestowitz | http://www.fundsforngos.org/ngosustainabilitynetwork/article/bill-gates-foundation-uninstalling-its-program/ Was any of the money spent on buying drugs against HIV? | Jul 28 15:19 |
schestowitz | If so, now the govwrnment will pay for the patents people came to depend on. | Jul 28 15:19 |
schestowitz | I'll need to check this... read 2 articles in full and no answer. | Jul 28 15:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @cenourinha: Adorei... http://bit.ly/bFjZ1 LOL | Jul 28 15:20 | |
Eruaran | We are switching our official offering to customers. | Jul 28 15:23 |
Eruaran | Based upon recent customer feedback. | Jul 28 15:23 |
Eruaran | Ubuntu is out, Kubuntu is in. | Jul 28 15:24 |
schestowitz | 9.04? | Jul 28 15:26 |
schestowitz | I got the impression Kubuntu was not thoroughly done and maintained.. not as well as Mandriva | Jul 28 15:27 |
Eruaran | Yes, fully updated to KDE 4.3. | Jul 28 15:27 |
Eruaran | 9.04 was a huge improvement. | Jul 28 15:27 |
Eruaran | 9.10 should be very nice. | Jul 28 15:28 |
Eruaran | Lately I've had some interesting feedback on Ubuntu... some people love it, but increasingly we've noticed there is a certain amount of frustration... and people light up like Christmas tree's when they look at our in store demo, which is running Kubuntu with KDE 4.3... they want that. | Jul 28 15:32 |
Eruaran | One example of what for us has been "lessons in usability" is RhythmBox v Amarok... | Jul 28 15:33 |
KDE does rock. | Jul 28 15:34 | |
schestowitz | Amarok is simple | Jul 28 15:34 |
schestowitz | xmms too | Jul 28 15:34 |
schestowitz | I've never seen a 'hard' music player | Jul 28 15:34 |
Eruaran | One customer especially was quite frustrated by RhythmBox | Jul 28 15:34 |
Eruaran | She didn't like it at all | Jul 28 15:34 |
schestowitz | RhythmBox confused me at first | Jul 28 15:34 |
Eruaran | No problem... just look at a few other players | Jul 28 15:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Did Violate the GPLv2 http://ping.fm/zM8QA | Jul 28 15:34 | |
RhythmBox does has it's quirks. | Jul 28 15:34 | |
schestowitz | I used it in GNOME (Ubuntu 6.06 IIRC | Jul 28 15:34 |
Amarok works much better. | Jul 28 15:35 | |
bbl | Jul 28 15:35 | |
Eruaran | Ended up installing Amarok (Songbird was a fizzer) | Jul 28 15:35 |
Eruaran | She loves Amarok | Jul 28 15:35 |
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Eruaran | What was interesting was that we assumed RhythmBox was simpler | Jul 28 15:35 |
Eruaran | But the customer was frustrated by it... found the interface too opaque and lacking in feature depth | Jul 28 15:36 |
Eruaran | She took to Amarok like a duck to water | Jul 28 15:36 |
Eruaran | We've noticed this as a general trend only in the last few weeks | Jul 28 15:36 |
schestowitz | Amarok 2? | Jul 28 15:37 |
schestowitz | I use 1.4 | Jul 28 15:37 |
Eruaran | 2.1 | Jul 28 15:37 |
schestowitz | Dutch spam suspect fined €250K http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/28/dutch_spam_fine/ | Jul 28 15:39 |
Eruaran | Spam is Dutch ? Who would have guessed... ;) | Jul 28 15:40 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/28/wipo_free_speech/ "A protest website was set up at sutherlandinstitute.com. It identified itself as a parody of the Sutherland Institute's and made it clear that it was not endorsed by or affiliated to the organisation." | Jul 28 15:41 |
schestowitz | Goldman Sachs tried something similar | Jul 28 15:41 |
schestowitz | Using trademark to suppress critics | Jul 28 15:41 |
schestowitz | Boycott N*v*ll | Jul 28 15:41 |
schestowitz | NHS Direct wrongly emailed patients' data http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/28/nhs_direct_email_data/ | Jul 28 15:42 |
Eruaran | Hope to see these changes in Amarok soonish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpx4jwt1ILE | Jul 28 15:42 |
schestowitz | Hehe. The graphics I made prove popular... http://www.log.gr/read.cfm?id=4130 | Jul 28 15:46 |
schestowitz | Asus cancels its first USB 3.0 motherboard < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1495417/asus-cancels-usb-motherboard > | Jul 28 15:51 |
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schestowitz | Here's a reversal in general policies: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8171597.stm "New government guidance has been published urging civil servants to use the micro-blogging site Twitter." | Jul 28 15:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] China Bans Violent Online Games < http://ping.fm/tVnnK > Will this actually reduce violence? Remains to be shown... | Jul 28 15:54 | |
Eruaran | Very out of character for Asus to cancel something like a new mobo | Jul 28 15:55 |
wayne | that will upset alot of china companies that level up MMORPT avatar's for money. | Jul 28 15:56 |
Eruaran | They'll move to India ;) | Jul 28 15:56 |
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schestowitz | Damn. My stove just broke. | Jul 28 16:06 |
Eruaran | broke ? | Jul 28 16:10 |
schestowitz | We'll see. | Jul 28 16:14 |
schestowitz | bbl | Jul 28 16:14 |
tacone | ah these patent encumbered stoves :( | Jul 28 16:15 |
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cj | schestowitz: I am not an MCSE, btw. please remember to check your facts. | Jul 28 17:09 |
cj | nor am I a MS exec | Jul 28 17:09 |
cj | schestowitz: also, there is no "infiltration" going on with me. I've been on freenode for quite a long time and idle on quite a few channels. | Jul 28 17:10 |
cj | schestowitz: any movement on the software freedom law center issue? shall I CC you on my next reply to the ops over there so we can get something going? | Jul 28 17:11 |
thenixedreport | @cj: Hey may not be here at the moment. | Jul 28 17:12 |
thenixedreport | You may want to try later. | Jul 28 17:12 |
thenixedreport | :) | Jul 28 17:12 |
cj | thenixedreport: sokay. he reads scrollback, I'm sure. | Jul 28 17:12 |
thenixedreport | Why not just e-mail him instead? | Jul 28 17:12 |
cj | he usually ignores me anyhow. *shrug* | Jul 28 17:12 |
cj | I'll try that if I get a few extra minutes. changing windows and typing a few lines is less overhead than writing an dmeil ;) | Jul 28 17:13 |
cj | s/dmeil/email/ | Jul 28 17:13 |
tacone | cj: when schestowitz is here, he talks | Jul 28 17:14 |
tacone | (continuosly :D) | Jul 28 17:14 |
thenixedreport | :) | Jul 28 17:14 |
thenixedreport | So who has ops? | Jul 28 17:14 |
thenixedreport | No one? | Jul 28 17:14 |
thenixedreport | lol | Jul 28 17:14 |
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cj | tacone: ha. so I've noticed. | Jul 28 17:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @jzdziarski Apple continuing to stifle innovation http://tinyurl.com/n3k5jv | Jul 28 17:21 | |
cj | thenixedreport: freenode policy is to keep the ops hidden until needed. | Jul 28 17:22 |
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Omar87 | Hi | Jul 28 18:54 |
Omar87 | Does Sony use Linux in their hardware? | Jul 28 18:54 |
Omar87 | (i.e: PS3)? | Jul 28 18:54 |
MinceR | afaik no, but they do offer it as part of some sort of add-on, iirc | Jul 28 18:56 |
schestowitz | Omar87: they use it on other hardware | Jul 28 18:56 |
schestowitz | A colleague told me that PS2 uses it too, which I found hard to believe | Jul 28 18:56 |
schestowitz | Sony has a subsite for Linux and source code | Jul 28 18:57 |
schestowitz | brb | Jul 28 18:57 |
MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_2 | Jul 28 18:58 |
MinceR | it seems to work out of the box with PS3 since that one ships with a HDD | Jul 28 18:59 |
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_Goblin | hi all... | Jul 28 19:12 |
_Goblin | anything happening? | Jul 28 19:13 |
MinceR | somebody set up us the bomb. | Jul 28 19:13 |
schestowitz | Bong has a fighting chance | Jul 28 19:16 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft is said to be negotiating with Cronyoo! | Jul 28 19:16 |
schestowitz | Over redirection to Bong.com. | Jul 28 19:17 |
trmanco | wolfram alpha look cool | Jul 28 19:19 |
trmanco | looks* | Jul 28 19:19 |
_Goblin | havent had the pleasure yet... | Jul 28 19:22 |
balzac | hi schestowitz | Jul 28 19:24 |
balzac | Here's a recent comment I wrote on FreeSoftwareMagazine.com | Jul 28 19:24 |
balzac | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/yes_linus_microsoft_hating_disease_and_its_pandemic#comment-77075 | Jul 28 19:24 |
balzac | Mild delivery, yet still a stinger | Jul 28 19:25 |
schestowitz | Hi, balzac | Jul 28 19:25 |
schestowitz | tessier is our sysadmin | Jul 28 19:25 |
schestowitz | Strangely enough you were insulting him earlier | Jul 28 19:25 |
MinceR | who hasn't he insulted yet? | Jul 28 19:26 |
Booooom -> (11:33:59 AM) MinceR: somebody set up us the bomb. | Jul 28 19:26 | |
balzac | Hi schestowitz | Jul 28 19:26 |
MinceR | :) | Jul 28 19:26 |
balzac | schestowitz: he told me I was a gadfly | Jul 28 19:26 |
schestowitz | balzac: when I saw that FSM article headlien I thought it was from yuo | Jul 28 19:26 |
balzac | I don't think I insulted him, but I did say "what? what?" | Jul 28 19:26 |
MinceR | when i see FSM, i think "Flying Spaghetti Monster" | Jul 28 19:26 |
So, was tessier__ really tessier or someone pretending? | Jul 28 19:26 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: yes, FSM is gadfly | Jul 28 19:27 |
balzac | but we're acquainted | Jul 28 19:27 |
schestowitz | God flying spaghetti monster | Jul 28 19:27 |
MinceR | lol | Jul 28 19:27 |
schestowitz | twitter: just dupes | Jul 28 19:27 |
schestowitz | Like Balrog_ or amarsh04__ | Jul 28 19:27 |
balzac | I'm a bit more of a GNU partisan than most | Jul 28 19:27 |
interesting, the dupe was rude the other day. Trashing RMS and things. | Jul 28 19:28 | |
balzac | If anything, I'm a GNU-Fly | Jul 28 19:28 |
schestowitz | It's a good think the whole 'sexist' brouhaha did not target _you_ | Jul 28 19:28 |
balzac | jeez, who knows when it's really someone | Jul 28 19:28 |
balzac | I come here as balzac | Jul 28 19:28 |
balzac | and balzac_ | Jul 28 19:28 |
schestowitz | "My name is James.. | Jul 28 19:29 |
schestowitz | "James underscore" | Jul 28 19:29 |
schestowitz | Lady: "Nice to meet you, Mister underscore | Jul 28 19:29 |
RMS was targeted because people listen to him. | Jul 28 19:29 | |
schestowitz | "I can't score" :-( | Jul 28 19:29 |
who's counting? | Jul 28 19:29 | |
balzac | dang, my server froze for 30 seconds | Jul 28 19:30 |
balzac | Who was saying sexism? | Jul 28 19:30 |
balzac | And who was trashing RMS? | Jul 28 19:30 |
schestowitz | Govt website messes up with its users’ privacy data < http://www.alootechie.com/content/govt-website-messes-with-its-users’-privacy-data > | Jul 28 19:30 |
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balzac | I'm about to $$$core | Jul 28 19:41 |
balzac | http://www.disruptech.com is about to blow up | Jul 28 19:41 |
balzac | 20,000 lines of Microsoft code under the GNU GPLv2 | Jul 28 19:42 |
balzac | It's almost like a crack in the Berlin Wall | Jul 28 19:43 |
balzac | It means Bill Gates is starting to recognize the freedom of GNU software can't be contained | Jul 28 19:44 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/video/backslash-helping-linux-users-ignore-things | Jul 28 19:48 |
schestowitz | Try try | Jul 28 19:49 |
schestowitz | To contained it within a VM | Jul 28 19:49 |
schestowitz | Put it in a Microsoft Windows Server Cage Edition | Jul 28 19:49 |
schestowitz | Caging the GNU won't work | Jul 28 19:49 |
schestowitz | People can buy a server with just a GNU. It's cheaper and more stable than when it runs inside a cage (Windows guest) | Jul 28 19:50 |
schestowitz | Each patch Tuesday would mean downtimes for the Linux VM... if Windows even boots at all after the poatching | Jul 28 19:50 |
balzac | indeed | Jul 28 19:52 |
schestowitz | eWeek's a mess | Jul 28 19:52 |
MinceR | still, putting that m$ code in the official kernel means that linux is now corrupted. | Jul 28 19:52 |
schestowitz | They also seem to have lost happygee | Jul 28 19:52 |
MinceR | m$ has bought its way into it. | Jul 28 19:52 |
schestowitz | *happygeek (the devices guru) | Jul 28 19:52 |
schestowitz | MinceR: a long time ago | Jul 28 19:52 |
MinceR | and now we see gregkh sing praises for it, neglecting to mention that he was paid for it | Jul 28 19:52 |
MinceR | it sickens me. | Jul 28 19:52 |
schestowitz | eWeek is Ziffft|Davis: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+ziff+davis&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Jul 28 19:53 |
schestowitz | aka Ziff|Gates | Jul 28 19:53 |
schestowitz | MinceR: yes, that Ubuntu bashing too | Jul 28 19:53 |
MinceR | that too | Jul 28 19:53 |
MinceR | but that at least didn't pollute the code | Jul 28 19:54 |
schestowitz | Novell slams the desktop leader... for actually... well, NOT helping Microsoft | Jul 28 19:54 |
schestowitz | People still ponder the Novell boycott | Jul 28 19:54 |
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schestowitz | Novell brings so much... Moonlight.... Mono... drivers that makes WIndow a host and Linux just a slave | Jul 28 19:54 |
schestowitz | Novell pays Microsoft for the patent racket too | Jul 28 19:54 |
MinceR | moonlight only to its own customers, of course | Jul 28 19:54 |
schestowitz | It markets the racket | Jul 28 19:54 |
schestowitz | Well, of course | Jul 28 19:55 |
schestowitz | I'm trying to remember if Novell execs too urged other companies to join the racket | Jul 28 19:55 |
schestowitz | I fail to remember with certainty | Jul 28 19:55 |
schestowitz | I made this page 2 days ago: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Steve_Ballmer_Quotes_on_Linux%2C_Free_Software%2C_and_Novell | Jul 28 19:56 |
schestowitz | Schmidt should just blow Jobs: http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/28/google-voice-iphone-app-rejected-current-gv-apps-lose-connectio/ | Jul 28 19:58 |
schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/07/28/google-voice-completely-banned-from-apples-app-store | Jul 28 19:58 |
schestowitz | Jobs is messing w/ them again | Jul 28 19:58 |
schestowitz | Remember that Google's happy people are also in Apple's management... and brag iPhones and Macs | Jul 28 19:59 |
schestowitz | *brag about | Jul 28 19:59 |
thenixedreport | lol | Jul 28 20:03 |
thenixedreport | Speaking of blowing people. | Jul 28 20:03 |
thenixedreport | Nah, I better not. | Jul 28 20:03 |
thenixedreport | :) | Jul 28 20:03 |
thenixedreport | lol | Jul 28 20:03 |
schestowitz | Pirate Bay faces new legal threat < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8173388.stm >. But it's hosting Linux ISOs like Ubuntu without Mono | Jul 28 20:05 |
schestowitz | thenixedreport: was a joke, a game of words | Jul 28 20:05 |
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schestowitz | Returned to the world from my Heligoland retreat, saddened by the death of Richard Rothwell. You will be missed! http://identi.ca/notice/6979106 | Jul 28 20:15 |
schestowitz | SJVN changed themes... http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/buying-with-the-penguin/ | Jul 28 20:17 |
schestowitz | Apple spijner: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/07/27/why-apple-is-killing-the-pre-via-itunes/ (Why Apple is killing the Pre via iTunes)_ | Jul 28 20:19 |
thenixedreport | Apple doesn't like competition. | Jul 28 20:20 |
thenixedreport | They're no better than Microsoft. | Jul 28 20:20 |
thenixedreport | In many cases, they're worse. | Jul 28 20:21 |
thenixedreport | That just goes to show that there needs to be an audio player that will support only free formats. | Jul 28 20:21 |
thenixedreport | (and can support other formats through software plugins written by third party developers) | Jul 28 20:21 |
schestowitz | Apple is like the 5 y-o screaming at the back seat | Jul 28 20:25 |
schestowitz | You know he's a little brat, but you're more concerned about the monster at the wheel | Jul 28 20:26 |
schestowitz | To stop this car we need to end non-Free software and spread Firefox, OO, etc. | Jul 28 20:26 |
schestowitz | I'm gonna post some more Linux news soon :-) Lots of them | Jul 28 20:29 |
thenixedreport | Cool. | Jul 28 20:30 |
thenixedreport | Well. | Jul 28 20:30 |
thenixedreport | Gotta shut down for a bit. | Jul 28 20:30 |
thenixedreport | I'm about to upgrade my video card. | Jul 28 20:30 |
thenixedreport | :) | Jul 28 20:30 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "Power of the word of mouth – A new blog!" http://bit.ly/OKdyi #linux #foss | Jul 28 20:42 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Oh my, there is a banner on KDE.org that says it’s gonna be released on August 4" http://ping.fm/Hh18v | Jul 28 20:42 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Introduction to "Iron Linux" http://ping.fm/dAPCu | Jul 28 20:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UNIX at Age 40 http://ping.fm/kXga7 | Jul 28 20:57 | |
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thenixedreport | I'm back. | Jul 28 20:57 |
thenixedreport | Raden HD 4650's working very well. | Jul 28 20:57 |
thenixedreport | :) | Jul 28 20:58 |
thenixedreport | I may be able to do dual-monitor if my other LCD has a DVI connector. | Jul 28 20:58 |
thenixedreport | :) | Jul 28 20:58 |
schestowitz | The FOSS one? | Jul 28 20:58 |
schestowitz | RadeonHS? | Jul 28 20:58 |
schestowitz | *HD | Jul 28 20:58 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Journey Through GNU/Linux Audio Applications http://ping.fm/iOK0W | Jul 28 21:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comparison of Desktop Environments: GNOME, KDE, Xfce, and LXDE http://ping.fm/3IJdS http://ping.fm/OpWMT | Jul 28 21:03 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of antiX 8.2 (GNU/Linux) http://ping.fm/JeeBk | Jul 28 21:05 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Mint Reviewed in News Factor http://ping.fm/I3d4B | Jul 28 21:07 | |
thenixedreport | Fedora 11's not bad, but if you're wanting 3D with certain ATI cards, you're S.O.L. | Jul 28 21:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Spends $0.1 Billion/Annum Promoting GNU/Linux, Szulik Claims http://ping.fm/m0usZ | Jul 28 21:09 | |
schestowitz | thenixedreport: preinstalls resolve all that | Jul 28 21:09 |
schestowitz | Hand-in-glove h/w-s/w | Jul 28 21:09 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Derivative CrunchBang Linux 9.04 Gets Another Great Review http://ping.fm/3WN2W | Jul 28 21:13 | |
thenixedreport | @schestowitz, how so? | Jul 28 21:14 |
thenixedreport | I could get the FGLRX driver working. | Jul 28 21:14 |
thenixedreport | I would wind up with a blank screen. | Jul 28 21:14 |
thenixedreport | I had a Radeon HD 2400 Pro from Visiontek. | Jul 28 21:14 |
thenixedreport | Couldn't get the driver working. | Jul 28 21:14 |
thenixedreport | The Radeon driver worked okay, but the 3D rendering wasn't the best in the world. | Jul 28 21:15 |
thenixedreport | It wouldn't have been enough to play Penumbra. | Jul 28 21:15 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OLPC in American Classrooms Despite Microsoft's (and Intel's) Sabotage of the Project http://ping.fm/zIuS2 | Jul 28 21:18 | |
schestowitz | thenixedreport: not a good card for Linux | Jul 28 21:18 |
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schestowitz | Don't buy a speed bike for riding up the mountain.. | Jul 28 21:18 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New GIMP Tutorial http://ping.fm/bQjQg | Jul 28 21:25 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple Carries on Bullying Competition http://ping.fm/bRWIA | Jul 28 21:27 | |
Krenso2 | Hello again | Jul 28 21:29 |
schestowitz | Howdy | Jul 28 21:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolies Indanities Fail for Taser http://ping.fm/6Gfvs | Jul 28 21:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patent Troll Gets Humiliated for Attacking Free Software Project http://ping.fm/kYCrb | Jul 28 21:32 | |
Krenso2 | do you know where those hyper-v modules for kernel were available? | Jul 28 21:32 |
Krenso2 | did ms really distributed them to public | Jul 28 21:33 |
Krenso2 | ? | Jul 28 21:33 |
schestowitz | It must | Jul 28 21:33 |
schestowitz | It wanted them to be SLES-only AFAIK | Jul 28 21:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sys-Con, Home of Malicious Stalkers, Busted Badly http://ping.fm/bcXEM | Jul 28 21:34 | |
Krenso2 | They were searchable through google, but were put on the web by ms? If not how ms violated gpl2? | Jul 28 21:35 |
Krenso2 | I don't get it | Jul 28 21:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How GNU/Linux Forces Microsoft to Stop Earning Money from Windows http://ping.fm/MwLoE | Jul 28 21:36 | |
schestowitz | Krenso2: see SFLC explantion | Jul 28 21:36 |
schestowitz | They didn't make all that's required public | Jul 28 21:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Head of AstroTurfing Operations Waggener Edstrom Joins Microsoft http://ping.fm/pftBr | Jul 28 21:38 | |
Krenso2 | They don't have to make public, just give source licenced under gpl2 to parties they distribute binaries | Jul 28 21:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FSFE Publishes Analysis of EU Attempt to Punish Microsoft for Browser Crimes http://ping.fm/w4S1e | Jul 28 21:40 | |
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Krenso2 | I just want to read some press news about linuxic before relasing on gpl2 | Jul 28 21:43 |
Krenso2 | that it's available to buy/boundles with hyper-v | Jul 28 21:43 |
Krenso2 | *boundled | Jul 28 21:43 |
fewa | Krenso2, but being held to tell users their rights would have been a big lose of face for microsoft | Jul 28 21:44 |
*schestowitz listens to latest Linux Outlaws episode. | Jul 28 21:47 | |
Krenso2 | maybe i will find which hyper-v version supported linux first with violating code | Jul 28 21:53 |
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schestowitz | Fabs is being annoying | Jul 28 21:54 |
sldkfj | schestowitz: do you have any source for "It wanted them to be SLES-only AFAIK"? | Jul 28 22:04 |
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schestowitz | sldkfj: look back at the Novell/Microsoft deal. It has the whole host/guest plan for Hyper-V (before it was called that) | Jul 28 22:08 |
schestowitz | It was only much later that Red Hat too subscribed to this (the Red Hat-Microsoft announcement) | Jul 28 22:09 |
sldkfj | well, them stating to ijmprove interoperability doesn't support your claim that it should have been SLE only imho. | Jul 28 22:09 |
schestowitz | See Hypercalls announcement (2007) | Jul 28 22:10 |
schestowitz | AFAIK, support for this was intended for SLES only | Jul 28 22:11 |
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Krenso2 | i have found this http://bit.ly/2YqboI | Jul 28 22:15 |
Krenso2 | it's about ms and novell partnership on vm | Jul 28 22:15 |
schestowitz | I saw that before | Jul 28 22:17 |
schestowitz | I wrote about it here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/09/virtualisation-groupwise-people-videos/ | Jul 28 22:17 |
Krenso2 | So maybe they distributed linuxic since sles 10 | Jul 28 22:18 |
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Krenso2 | here you can download linuxic without source available (on ms site) http://bit.ly/VJHh0 | Jul 28 22:19 |
Krenso2 | or maybe i don't see option to download source | Jul 28 22:20 |
Krenso2 | maybe source is boundled with exe? | Jul 28 22:21 |
fewa | does anyone know if Wave works with openjdk? | Jul 28 22:22 |
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hexx | holy macro, batmat, so many people! | Jul 28 22:23 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News Site That Promotes the SCO Lawsuit and Microsoft’s Patent Racket is Bullying Critics http://ping.fm/PitQ4 | Jul 28 22:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Just Say No to Sys-Con: Aral’s Jihad http://ping.fm/xUfkO | Jul 28 22:56 | |
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schestowitz | "Just another heads-up on Sys-Con; many of us in the Linux community have been attacked quite like this by one of Sys-Con’s “writers”, and I use that term loosely, Maureen O’ Gara. She appears to be on a “cihad” against Linux, and Linux users, and has been for years… not sure why, though. I’ve posted your story, and my take on it, here;" | Jul 28 22:56 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Brainwash Firm Waggener Edstrom and Microsoft Share More Staff http://ping.fm/Hjf8L | Jul 28 23:20 | |
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schestowitz | Is it true that an advertisement for Internet Explorer said "One World, One Web, One Program"? | Jul 28 23:42 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FSFE Responds to Browser Competition While Apple Proceeds to Blocking Another Competitor http://ping.fm/9UX9d | Jul 28 23:52 | |
oiaohm | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/28/1958237/Sandia-Studies-Botnets-In-1M-OS-Digital-Petri-Dish << now this is kinda wrong. | Jul 28 23:56 |
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