Chips_B_Malroy | Hello everyone. It seems that Net Apps did globulize it browser data, unlike what I said in a comment on this site. My Bad, sorry. | Aug 05 00:00 |
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schestowitz | Hey, malroy | Aug 05 00:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy | Aug 05 00:00 |
schestowitz | They globalise in th wrong direction | Aug 05 00:00 |
schestowitz | China does not adopt much Linux | Aug 05 00:01 |
schestowitz | What's next? UK data? | Aug 05 00:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, Firefox for some reason hardly moved in the new data | Aug 05 00:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Watch on Microsoft vs Google and Microsoft vs Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/JG9ZY | Aug 05 00:01 | |
schestowitz | They should move on to Africa, continental Europe, South America, Russia... | Aug 05 00:01 |
schestowitz | That's where it's at | Aug 05 00:01 |
schestowitz | That's where there's about 10 times the density of Linux usage (compared to US) | Aug 05 00:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you might find this Link interesting, it seems Clem is more on the side of mono than against it: http://forums.linuxmint.com/search.php?sid=857e3566c690a943dd0aedbca0bf4a9a | Aug 05 00:02 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Firefox hardly exists in CHina | Aug 05 00:02 |
schestowitz | It's a well known fact | Aug 05 00:02 |
schestowitz | Mozilla does not know how to address it | Aug 05 00:02 |
schestowitz | In China, it's IE and Maxthon | Aug 05 00:02 |
schestowitz | And Baidu is bigger there than Google | Aug 05 00:02 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I know about Clem | Aug 05 00:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | most likely because of localization of languages and piratcy | Aug 05 00:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | going add Mint to my list of going to the bottom of distro's to install for newbies | Aug 05 00:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | although its good for a Gnome buntu based | Aug 05 00:04 |
schestowitz | Hmmm... | Aug 05 00:06 |
schestowitz | "As for using things later, that’s a little coincidental as you are kindly contributing to some points I am making in a very detailed report to the FTC." | Aug 05 00:06 |
schestowitz | From http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/you-know-you-have-made-it-when-pt2/ | Aug 05 00:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | For me (personal use) I stay with those distro's that are not poluted by the Vole | Aug 05 00:07 |
Chips_B_Malroy | If you need me to stop, just say the word | Aug 05 00:07 |
schestowitz | Stop what? | Aug 05 00:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | commenting | Aug 05 00:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Andre and I have been verbally sparring for while at MS Watch | Aug 05 00:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | in the past | Aug 05 00:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Andre still comments at MS Watch, BTW | Aug 05 00:11 |
schestowitz | Ahh.. | Aug 05 00:15 |
schestowitz | I saw the comments in CNET | Aug 05 00:15 |
schestowitz | Confrontational | Aug 05 00:15 |
schestowitz | Nervousness maybe | Aug 05 00:15 |
schestowitz | _goblin: ya there...? | Aug 05 00:15 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cavang/status/3126431353 "cavang@schestowitz Oh that Mr Dee. And I thought he was retarded" | Aug 05 00:15 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mjasay/status/3126311012 To think I thought Dee was just a jerk RT @schestowitz CNET commentator "Mr. Dee" turns out to be Microsoft-compensated http://ping.fm/pbqiK | Aug 05 00:15 |
cubezzz | does China use Linux much or it is mostly windows? | Aug 05 00:15 |
schestowitz | Mostly counterfeited Windows | Aug 05 00:16 |
schestowitz | Only fools in there would pay for it | Aug 05 00:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video Demo of the New KDE 4.3 http://ping.fm/gIpWi | Aug 05 00:16 | |
schestowitz | Not even businesses pay for it, but Microsoft struck a $1.3 bn (IIRC) contract with Lenovo | Aug 05 00:16 |
schestowitz | Lenovo is in bed with Microsoft for all sots of reasons | Aug 05 00:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS must have total control over the OEM's to maintain its windows monopoly | Aug 05 00:18 |
cubezzz | yeah, it seems they have a death grip on them :-/ | Aug 05 00:18 |
cubezzz | anything that comes along to compete against Windows (like BeOS) is crushed | Aug 05 00:19 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Sorry Roy, just finishing of pt3 of a post. | Aug 05 00:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Good Job Goblin, again! | Aug 05 00:20 |
_goblin | cheers....read pt2 yet? | Aug 05 00:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | most of it, a neowin shill for MS? | Aug 05 00:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Been a long time since I have been to Neowin, if its the site I am thinking, they used to have a lot about slip streaming service packs in Windows, how to do it, etc | Aug 05 00:23 |
_goblin | lol...not really....it was a reporter of neowin who was challenged by me and then next thing I know his girlfriend shows up on my blog with "alot of attitude and not much argument" | Aug 05 00:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or maybe that was another site | Aug 05 00:23 |
_goblin | it was a tragically funny piece of live journalism.... | Aug 05 00:23 |
_goblin | and was like an episode of a teen drama being played out on Openbytes. | Aug 05 00:24 |
schestowitz | Be careful | Aug 05 00:24 |
schestowitz | If someone there commits suicide, you will be liable | Aug 05 00:24 |
schestowitz | /sarcasm/ | Aug 05 00:24 |
_goblin | lol | Aug 05 00:24 |
schestowitz | Drew story... | Aug 05 00:24 |
_goblin | Funny thing was, I hardly got a chance to say anything... | Aug 05 00:24 |
_goblin | she was a little insulting to say the least.... | Aug 05 00:25 |
_goblin | it would probably be easier for me to list the words she didn't call me. | Aug 05 00:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | your fame has spread b4 u Goblin. | Aug 05 00:25 |
_goblin | I don't know about her, but after being subjected to pages of her rants, I felt like ending it. | Aug 05 00:26 |
_goblin | by strangling myself with my own mouse wire. | Aug 05 00:26 |
_goblin | pt3 is almost ready.... | Aug 05 00:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Notice that all comments at MS Watch are now held for review. This must be a way to get rid of the spam and flith, from the shillbomblers when Joe was there. | Aug 05 00:27 |
_goblin | Roy, this guy Im publishing really has it in for you! | Aug 05 00:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The cost of telling the true | Aug 05 00:27 |
_goblin | when asked to justify to comments about me, he seems fixated with you.... | Aug 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | Tell him I'm straight | Aug 05 00:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS, its shills, some of its fanboi's, and the deranged, would like nothing better than this site to stop | Aug 05 00:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Believe it or not, I always wanted MS to improve its product Windows. To make it more secure for the internet and useful. As I know that many will keep using it for a number of years. Not everyone will change. | Aug 05 00:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Only way to do get them to change, it to comment on a site that watches MS | Aug 05 00:32 |
cubezzz | I just can't accept Microsoft at all, not for my own personal use | Aug 05 00:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Cubezzz, used it forever, by moved on like you now | Aug 05 00:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *but | Aug 05 00:33 |
cubezzz | here is the one thing that you don't have with closed source: You don't really know what it's doing | Aug 05 00:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does the Open Invention Network (OIN) Become a Patent Harvester? http://ping.fm/fk2hO | Aug 05 00:34 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | thats what I wonder too about the driver that ms donated, what it will do. Hopefully the kernel maintainers will know | Aug 05 00:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Third of Europeans have never been online < http://ping.fm/PxGIf > Interesting claim, assuming it's a census | Aug 05 00:35 | |
schestowitz | WHich ones? | Aug 05 00:35 |
schestowitz | Novell? | Aug 05 00:35 |
cubezzz | well, if they can see the source, all should be well (I hope) | Aug 05 00:35 |
schestowitz | Remember who brought this patches... Regovell | Aug 05 00:35 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: they know what it does, it's just that they can't reject it | Aug 05 00:36 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is like the Nomad who brings a dead skunk to a barbecue party | Aug 05 00:36 |
schestowitz | You'd rather have the burgers really | Aug 05 00:37 |
cubezzz | I was close to switching to BeOS at one point, but Linux is much more active | Aug 05 00:37 |
cubezzz | and BeOS wasn't really FOSS I don't think | Aug 05 00:37 |
schestowitz | Fraud groups ding Bing for illicit pharmacy promos http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/04/microsoft_bing_drug_ads/ | Aug 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | I'm not going to attract attention to Bong anymore, but this shows how many barriers they have left | Aug 05 00:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Thom Howdera (OSNews) is on the Haika IRC sometimes | Aug 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | Bong is losing Microsoft a fortune. Probably hundreds of millions per qtr | Aug 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I don't trust Thom | Aug 05 00:39 |
schestowitz | He's marketing Windows too much for many people who left his site for the same reason. | Aug 05 00:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I did until he joined with the the L guy in attacking RMS for virtually nothing | Aug 05 00:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | then I seen you were right there as well | Aug 05 00:40 |
schestowitz | WHat does that have to do with it? | Aug 05 00:40 |
schestowitz | The L guy by the way is a marketing person, not a technical person. His highest qualification is an undergrad degree in drama. | Aug 05 00:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Maybe nothing, but loyalities do mean something to me | Aug 05 00:41 |
schestowitz | Oops. I meant theatre. | Aug 05 00:41 |
schestowitz | Thom is not loyal | Aug 05 00:41 |
schestowitz | Then there's that gal what's her name..? | Aug 05 00:42 |
schestowitz | Eugena/Eugina | Aug 05 00:42 |
schestowitz | She also turned hostile t/w Linux and Ogg | Aug 05 00:42 |
schestowitz | Other people say the same thing... via E-mail | Aug 05 00:42 |
ThistleWeb | for some reason I keep thinking Jo Sheilds is female | Aug 05 00:42 |
ThistleWeb | maybe it's the spelling of Jo | Aug 05 00:42 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: in the UK it would seem so | Aug 05 00:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | could be | Aug 05 00:43 |
schestowitz | But he's from the UK | Aug 05 00:43 |
schestowitz | Most Josephs make it "Joe" | Aug 05 00:43 |
ThistleWeb | it keeps catching me out when he's refered to as "he" | Aug 05 00:43 |
ThistleWeb | no matter how many time, it keeps catching me out | Aug 05 00:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Over here Jo is the female spelling of Joe | Aug 05 00:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but maybe not all countries | Aug 05 00:44 |
ThistleWeb | maybe Jo is trying to come out | Aug 05 00:44 |
ThistleWeb | or get used to a new identity | Aug 05 00:45 |
schestowitz | http://www.oerc.ox.ac.uk/people/jo-shields | Aug 05 00:45 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 05 00:45 |
schestowitz | Not that it matters | Aug 05 00:45 |
schestowitz | Let's not talk about people | Aug 05 00:45 |
ThistleWeb | indeed | Aug 05 00:45 |
schestowitz | I did all my posts for today | Aug 05 00:46 |
schestowitz | Not feeling tired yet, dunno why... | Aug 05 00:46 |
schestowitz | It was all just public stuff anyway, not an intrusion... he's support staff http://www.oerc.ox.ac.uk/people/osc-staff | Aug 05 00:47 |
schestowitz | People are free to find my profiles too, but it's besides the point | Aug 05 00:47 |
schestowitz | WHat's concerning is that some people outside Novell would drink Miguel's Kool Aid and share the well | Aug 05 00:48 |
schestowitz | Seagate closing Singapore plant: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/04/seagate_closing_singapore_plant/ | Aug 05 00:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "You know you have made it when………pt3" final part? http://tinyurl.com/nq54pq #microsoft #linux #windows #vista #xp #7 | Aug 05 00:49 | |
schestowitz | I have two Seagate drives. They gave me some problems with the older kernels, but they work fantastically now that I wiped the Windows patent drek off them | Aug 05 00:49 |
schestowitz | Seagate and many others put patent traps (NTFS) on their hardware. Why even format them? | Aug 05 00:49 |
schestowitz | It's as though they preinstall Windows on commodity h/w | Aug 05 00:50 |
schestowitz | And basically this leads many Linux users to needing modules that read Microsoft FSs (which means patent traps) | Aug 05 00:50 |
schestowitz | No storage device should use VFAT anymore, either | Aug 05 00:50 |
schestowitz | USB drive: | Aug 05 00:50 |
schestowitz | Requirement; Microsoft license for FAT-reading software | Aug 05 00:51 |
schestowitz | Ridiculous! | Aug 05 00:51 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/04/cisco_website_down/ Cisco's site uses Linux/Apache | Aug 05 00:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | .Roy I have a seagate 1.5gb drive, came ntfs, I formatted it fat32, worse problems now, when I can get the data off, will make it ext3 | Aug 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | gb? | Aug 05 00:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | usb of course | Aug 05 00:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | 1.5TB, sorry typo | Aug 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | Yes, I needed to transition through another drive | Aug 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | The darn thing won't warn you at first that it's infected with WIndows s/w | Aug 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | So you toss your files there 'till you realise the FS is "utter cr*p" as Linus put it | Aug 05 00:55 |
schestowitz | It can't do long paths, no special symbols, no large files | Aug 05 00:55 |
schestowitz | My two external HDDs are ext3 now | Aug 05 00:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | lot of people I think are having problems with those drives. If it gets too bad, I going break open the usb case and install just the bare drive in the desktop | Aug 05 00:56 |
schestowitz | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/coumns/seagate_freeagent_pro_hardware_comes_proprietary_software | Aug 05 00:56 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, portability is a virtue. You can carry data | Aug 05 00:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I got it cheap at Frys | Aug 05 00:57 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | anymore, a usb drive better come with esata or I will not buy it | Aug 05 00:57 |
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schestowitz | http://www.gnu.org/fry/ | Aug 05 00:58 |
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_goblin | bizzare....just got the latest build of chromium and theres a guys face in place of the close window icon.... | Aug 05 01:02 |
_goblin | maybe its a joke I'm not getting. | Aug 05 01:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | What I notice in all this MS Hater discussion from Linus is this, it all goes back to the fight with GPL3. Linus also says things he regrets later, as we all do. I am not putting him down, he is a great man. But it does point up that GNU/Linux is different than Embedded or Applicance Linux (Limo). And the Kernel team gets most of its money from that end of things. Which is why GPL3 and Tivoization was fought b | Aug 05 01:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The freedoms of GNU that distro user have for their home operating system, is not what some of the applicance linux people are all about (cellphone and toaster people). Without mentioning any names here. This is the Dark Side of Linux, they (some of them) care less about the freedom of GNU/Linux, only about the money that can be made from it. While we need the folks from the embeded side, as they contribute mon | Aug 05 01:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just got the latest build of #Chromium and theres a guys face in place of the close window icon..maybe its a joke I'm not getting. #linux | Aug 05 01:04 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | which is all I going say on this | Aug 05 01:04 |
Balrog | _goblin: how does that thing work? | Aug 05 01:05 |
Balrog | that I see your comments from somewhere? | Aug 05 01:05 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: your message got chopped: "Tivoization was fought b" | Aug 05 01:07 |
Chips_B_Malroy | till some of them have completely different thinking about GNU/Linux, to them Linux is what they pay for, and the GNU part, is what they want to exploit. And then there is Google, which you can smell the fear in the Limo camp now, as Android and Chrome take over cellphones and Netbooks. | Aug 05 01:07 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, here is the rest of it | Aug 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | Linus tried to discredit what's not good for him personally | Aug 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | That's OK | Aug 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | There's also an attempt to 'punish' people who associated themselves with folks like RMS or sites like BN | Aug 05 01:08 |
schestowitz | It's part of the censorship attempts | Aug 05 01:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its what the L guy was about, freedom is only a word to be used by some of these folks | Aug 05 01:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Aug 05 01:08 |
schestowitz | Balrog: his twits get echoed here | Aug 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | If you have identica/twitter, we'll add it | Aug 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | LiMo is in bad state | Aug 05 01:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but it was the thinking that I could not understand, and now I think I am closer to understanding their thinking. I do not approve, just understand | Aug 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | Defections to Android | Aug 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | So all they can do is spread Android FUD | Aug 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | See their presentations and all | Aug 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | Explicit utter Android FUD | Aug 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | I saw it in LiMo presentations slides | Aug 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | I also see LiMo people doing this in forums | Aug 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | Like AstroTurf IMHO | Aug 05 01:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I believe Google maybe a member of Limo, but still develops their own Linux and software separate from Limo | Aug 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | Remember Lips? | Aug 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | From Weinberg? | Aug 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | It was killed | Aug 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | Supposedly 'merged' | Aug 05 01:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Google is feared by Limo, rightly so | Aug 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | But basiclally just something in the history of Linux | Aug 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | Like United Linux | Aug 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | LiMo predates Android | Aug 05 01:12 |
schestowitz | Announcement-wise | Aug 05 01:12 |
_goblin | balrog: Sorry I was afk.... | Aug 05 01:12 |
schestowitz | There were mass defections at one stage, but both still have many members they fight over | Aug 05 01:12 |
_goblin | balrog: What Chromium? | Aug 05 01:12 |
Chips_B_Malroy | My point is, its why some, now all, on the Limo side, might have opinions that are closer to MS, than to the FSF | Aug 05 01:13 |
schestowitz | Regulating Chemical Plant Security < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/regulating_chem.html > | Aug 05 01:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *not all | Aug 05 01:13 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Android/Google is the same | Aug 05 01:13 |
schestowitz | Both are DRM- and patents-encumbered | Aug 05 01:13 |
schestowitz | I listened to a 1-hour audiocast with openmono this evening | Aug 05 01:14 |
schestowitz | The guys who run it sound unprofessional TBH | Aug 05 01:14 |
schestowitz | It was a mighty effort that produces free (libre) hardware pretty much | Aug 05 01:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | GNU is about freedom, freedome to do things, and in many ways, free as well in cost, can be. But Mono is about a tie in to a company that is mostly about Money, MS. As such, should it be surprising, that some in Limo like Mono, as they may see an opportunity to somehow make money off it in the future? | Aug 05 01:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Or a way to weaken the GNU, which software they would like to use as GPL2 | Aug 05 01:18 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | anyway, that was the last of me trying to understand some of these folks | Aug 05 01:18 |
schestowitz | Does Reding know much about technology at all? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/04/eu-says-internet-can-boost-economy | Aug 05 01:21 |
schestowitz | I don't think LiMo likes Mono | Aug 05 01:21 |
schestowitz | SOme Canadian Windows ISV tried to shove Mono into LiMo | Aug 05 01:21 |
schestowitz | Google SoC funds some Mono | Aug 05 01:21 |
schestowitz | Goldman Sachs CEO Tells Bonus Boobs to Hide the Cash < http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/08/goldman-sachs-ceo-tells-bonus-boobs-to.html > | Aug 05 01:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I seen a couple of real interesting comments on the minims blog | Aug 05 01:24 |
schestowitz | "Italians grumble that Goldman Sachs runs their country, much as the Jesuits ran countries during the Counter-Reformation." < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/2809685/Italians-claim-country-run-by-Goldman-Sachs.html?www.GoldmanSachs666.com > | Aug 05 01:24 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: seems like mini-ms has more comments with info than posts | Aug 05 01:24 |
Chips_B_Malroy | one was about how MS figures the bonuses for the top execs, like Ballmer | Aug 05 01:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, | Aug 05 01:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I will try to get that comment for you | Aug 05 01:25 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, I think I'm almost done for the night. I won't look at COLA tonight or I'll never go to bed...Its been a long day at work... | Aug 05 01:26 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | I think the bonuses at the top only went down like 9% based on the amount, not of profits, but on working funds | Aug 05 01:26 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and remember all....."Do unto others as they do unto Gnu" #linux #windows #microsoft #vista #xp | Aug 05 01:27 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | Another comment claimed that MS stopped buying back its stock, even though the price tanked. As to keep the working funds up. | Aug 05 01:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but bought while the stock price was higher while B G dumped | Aug 05 01:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the comments would not be enough, unless there was a way to verify | Aug 05 01:29 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Profits go way down at MS and the worker bees get axed, but Sweaty B finds a way to keep most of his bonuses | Aug 05 01:30 |
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schestowitz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/08/01/1946208/IBM-Uses-Call-Detail-Records-To-Identify-Friends | Aug 05 01:40 |
Carla wrote an article about $140 EEE PC 701. Where was that? | Aug 05 01:47 | |
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schestowitz | Didn't see it, sorry | Aug 05 01:54 |
schestowitz | 2am here. Back later.. | Aug 05 01:54 |
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fun cam http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736/Sin-bins-for-worst-families | Aug 05 05:27 | |
wowsers, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/08/hidden-gay-slur-search-terms-get-campaign-site-blacklisted.ars | Aug 05 05:34 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Yet another review of Mark Helprin's uninformed screed http://ur1.ca/8hvh See @lessig 's http://ur1.ca/8hvk | Aug 05 06:45 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @schestowitz EC internet minister: internet activities must involve monetary consumption, because only consumption is taxable | Aug 05 07:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @schestowitz EC IT minister: internet activities must involve consumption, as only consumption is taxable http://ping.fm/PxGIf | Aug 05 07:02 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Looking at: "OzOS" (http://twitthis.com/hzmhvv) | Aug 05 07:27 | |
schestowitz | Hehe. Casta gets obsessed | Aug 05 07:36 |
schestowitz | Just ping me at twitter like 10 times | Aug 05 07:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin: check out who's obsessed. https://twitter.com/adacosta | Aug 05 07:37 | |
schestowitz | Blizzard To Korean Video Game Sports Assocation: How Dare You Promote StarCraft Without Paying Us! http://techdirt.com/articles/20090803/0156125746.shtml | Aug 05 07:50 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Prominent Washington lobbying firm sends forged NAACP letters to congressmen. http://ur1.ca/8hye Will they be prosecuted? http://ur1.ca/8hyf | Aug 05 08:04 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz You are depending on hearsay? It was him who confessed on his own Twitter account! | Aug 05 08:20 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Did you ever see his Window 7 and Michael Jackson comment? It was a classic! | Aug 05 08:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to know you're unwanted (PIC): http://ping.fm/aLWce | Aug 05 08:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin yes, he's miserable(ly trying to clean up) | Aug 05 08:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Funny though, until his little "confession" recently Andre has never been mentioned...he was never that important... | Aug 05 08:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin I think I heard about the MJ remark, but I can't recall it | Aug 05 08:22 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Roy, Im pleased he's posted that as I have included all the Andre evidence in one report. For ease of reading.... | Aug 05 08:23 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz it will be published all at once so people can make up their own minds......I wonder if he will make a Mr Dee twitter account? | Aug 05 08:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin such a report would be handy | Aug 05 08:31 | |
schestowitz | PayPal suffers from e-commerce outage http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10302072-93.html | Aug 05 08:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Shocking news: "Pregnant mother tasered at baptism party" < http://ping.fm/VTseU > | Aug 05 08:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another reason to dump ebook DRM: "Michigan student and California engineer sue Amazon...'" http://ping.fm/pv8Da'Nineteen_Eighty-Four' | Aug 05 08:34 | |
schestowitz | It's wrong to believe that nature is always best http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/02/organics-food | Aug 05 08:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "The communications industry has condemned government plans to force them to monitor your calls, emails..." http://ping.fm/ZpMUf | Aug 05 08:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Putting the Gates arrest in context: http://ping.fm/Jv99x | Aug 05 08:52 | |
schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/kde_4_3_is_here "That said, some people seem to think that I like KDE 4.3 so much that I've given up on KDE 3.x. Ah, actually no, I haven't. Actually, I still like KDE 3.x and I'd still like to see development on it continue. So, yes, while I like KDE 4.3, I'd be happy to see KDE 3.x live on as a fork. " | Aug 05 08:52 |
schestowitz | "While KDE 4.3 is quite good, and I understand that work is already moving along with KDE 4.4, I'd like to see some more programming time put in on some of the older KDE applications. I'd also like to see the code cleaned up. KDE 4.x is the only major Linux desktop that I'm not happy running on PCs with 512MBs of RAM. ." | Aug 05 08:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ROTFLMAO: http://ping.fm/shojW This is the primary feature of Vista 7? That it can run XP? Someone, please say what Vista 7 actually /of ... | Aug 05 09:02 | |
schestowitz | "I have changed my domain name from phorolinux.com to lazyubuntu.com. Later, I will write new articles for Ubuntu newbies, including news, apps, games, howtos, tips, and so on." I wonder if Michael has something to do with it." http://lazyubuntu.com/change-domain-name.html | Aug 05 09:03 |
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schestowitz | WTF? 'based on the Novell "Transylvanien Der Dorn der Liebe" ' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBWlDNNzljA | Aug 05 09:04 |
schestowitz | Yikes. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-04-023-35-NW-GN-AP-0001 | Aug 05 09:06 |
schestowitz | Intel confirms data corruption bug in new SSDs, halts shipments http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136200/Intel_confirms_data_corruption_bug_in_new_SSDs_halts_shipments | Aug 05 09:07 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Asked it many times and even had Microsoft employee's visit my blog...still waiting for an answer. | Aug 05 09:18 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz My question was "What does 7 offer that can't be achieved either natively or via 3rd party software on XP?" #microsoft #windows | Aug 05 09:19 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Going to be another late finish at work.... :( bring on the weekend......8th August is the 1st birthday of Openbytes! | Aug 05 09:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Fake Grassroots Letters Oppose Climate Bill" http://ping.fm/FEVWQ At least we now know where the opposition comes from | Aug 05 09:22 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin it goes like this. Person: "why buy Vista 7?" Microsoft marketer: "cause it got good reviews [which we paid for]" | Aug 05 09:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Honduras disarray spurs lobbying < http://ping.fm/ebHli > The best solution is probably to monitor, ban, and fine/imprison lobbyists | Aug 05 09:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz and don't forget Roy...Its always better "next time" Looking at the tech forums of many sites, I believe MS is in for a shock. | Aug 05 09:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] The funniest thing I've read today "If Microsoft hatred is a disease and then Windows 7 is the cure." - One guess who said it. #microsoft | Aug 05 09:35 | |
Diablo-D3 | hey schestowitz | Aug 05 09:37 |
Diablo-D3 | eric schmidt resigned from apple's board | Aug 05 09:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I was not aware of #Microsoft hatred. I assumed people used the packages best for them (I do) Maybe he means #Windows hatred?... #Vista ??? | Aug 05 09:37 | |
Diablo-D3 | when did this happen? | Aug 05 09:37 |
Diablo-D3 | this is like, epic news | Aug 05 09:37 |
Diablo-D3 | google is about to anal rape apple | Aug 05 09:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Nearly as good as the same person saying it was a shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see Windows 7... this posters got it bad.... | Aug 05 09:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Well thats me done until this evening....Wonder what cracking little comments he will come out with next..... #microsoft #wincows | Aug 05 09:39 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] oops a type #wincows instead of #windows....actually I like it.....#wincows maybe that can be a new term. | Aug 05 09:39 | |
trmanco | http://i27.tinypic.com/dc7kty.jpg | Aug 05 09:42 |
trmanco | chromium fail | Aug 05 09:42 |
Diablo-D3 | wtf? | Aug 05 09:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and welcome to my new follower: Microsoftfix...in my opinion that must be the busiest department in Redmond! ;) | Aug 05 09:42 | |
trmanco | that the new close button | Aug 05 09:42 |
Diablo-D3 | who the fuck is that | Aug 05 09:42 |
trmanco | is* | Aug 05 09:42 |
trmanco | I have no idea | Aug 05 09:42 |
schestowitz | Easter egg/? | Aug 05 09:43 |
trmanco | dunno | Aug 05 09:43 |
trmanco | but the close button actually works | Aug 05 09:43 |
trmanco | click in his face and chromium closes | Aug 05 09:44 |
trmanco | :-) | Aug 05 09:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Chromium dev build close button #fail -> http://is.gd/23sdn | Aug 05 09:44 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin: as in "holy (win)cow, it's Vista!" ;-) | Aug 05 09:44 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @trmanco Chromium dev build close button #fail -> http://is.gd/23sdn | Aug 05 09:46 | |
schestowitz | " To generate (pseudo) random numbers, Linux (for example) requires the maximum possible number of external events, such as mouse movements, keyboard events and hard drive head movements. " http://www.h-online.com/security/Not-enough-entropy-in-cloud-computing-land--/news/113925 | Aug 05 09:54 |
schestowitz | WHy not take system time in milisec? | Aug 05 09:54 |
schestowitz | Defeatism: "Stop trying to convert by speaking of stability, freedom, price and versatility. Keep it to yourself. No one wants to hear it. " http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4605.html | Aug 05 10:03 |
schestowitz | Why does everyone quote the corruptible Gartner even on FOSS? They hate FOSS. http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/nsm/2009/080309nsm2.html?hpg1=bn | Aug 05 10:11 |
fewa | schestowitz, agreed | Aug 05 10:14 |
schestowitz | Another FOSS-hostile company that the press quotes re FOSS: http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Black-Duck-Software-1025680.html | Aug 05 10:15 |
schestowitz | Another press release that only belittles FOSS (weird angle): http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/55077/ | Aug 05 10:20 |
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schestowitz | ECT still negative on the issues it supposedly covers in "Linux" 'Insider' http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/myTouch-3G-Improved-Droid-Still-Has-Some-Squeaky-Joints-67759.html | Aug 05 10:45 |
schestowitz | Does Windows have a notion similar to runlevels? http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/319-linux-runlevels Linux RunLevels | Aug 05 11:09 |
schestowitz | Speeding up file deletion in KDE4 < http://makemylogic.info/2009/08/04/speeding-up-file-deletion-in-kde4/ > | Aug 05 11:09 |
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Ng | schestowitz: how is the system time in milliseconds a random number? it's utterly utterly predictable | Aug 05 11:13 |
Ng | things like mouse/keyboard/diskhead movements are way less deterministic | Aug 05 11:13 |
Ng | (If I know you generated a key for something sometime between 00:00:01 and 00:01:01 I only have to make 60000 keys with the appropriate millisecond input and I'm pretty much guaranteed to have your key in there somewhere. If I know the same thing and your entropy came from your mouse I have no way of reproducing it) | Aug 05 11:17 |
Ng | (this is why the debian crypto bug was so bad, it meant that you could only generate a few thousand different SSH/SSL keys) | Aug 05 11:18 |
fewa | Ng, debian bug had nothing to do with time entropy | Aug 05 11:18 |
schestowitz | Ng: system time can't be predictd much | Aug 05 11:18 |
fewa | the only entropy was the process id | Aug 05 11:18 |
Ng | fewa: I didn't say it did, I was making the point that it was a massively constrained entropy | Aug 05 11:19 |
schestowitz | Unless the cracker tries to make predictions based on current time | Aug 05 11:19 |
schestowitz | Like using Free software to predict time of random generation | Aug 05 11:19 |
Ng | schestowitz: it's very predictable | Aug 05 11:19 |
schestowitz | Mice don't move much | Aug 05 11:19 |
fewa | Ng, it provides a small amount of completely non-predictable entropy | Aug 05 11:19 |
Ng | schestowitz: you're very likely to be running an ntpd on a linux machine, so it's very likely that you're accurate to within a fraction of a second | Aug 05 11:19 |
fewa | as long as the timer is sufficiently finly tuned | Aug 05 11:20 |
schestowitz | It does microseconds, no? | Aug 05 11:20 |
fewa | *high-granularity | Aug 05 11:20 |
schestowitz | With many processes running you can't estimate when your randomiser will be dispatched | Aug 05 11:20 |
*schestowitz listens to http://twit.tv/floss67 | Aug 05 11:20 | |
fewa | a very small amount, not worth much | Aug 05 11:20 |
schestowitz | I've always randomed from system() time | Aug 05 11:21 |
fewa | and as jitter decreases on the internet it will only become less | Aug 05 11:21 |
schestowitz | Since high school | Aug 05 11:21 |
Ng | schestowitz: I don't need to predict whether you chose 00:00:01.0001 or 00:00:01.0002 as your entropy, I can just generate a key for both | Aug 05 11:21 |
fewa | Ng, thats still 1 bit of entropy | Aug 05 11:21 |
fewa | Ng, your creating a straw man, sure i can calculate every sha1 sum and generate a collision.... | Aug 05 11:22 |
fewa | no big deal | Aug 05 11:22 |
Ng | fewa: it's not a strawman, schestowitz suggested linux should use millisecond system time as entropy and I'm trying to explain why that's a bad idea when there are sources of data that are less deterministic | Aug 05 11:22 |
fewa | wel ok, thats true | Aug 05 11:22 |
fewa | time is not a suficient source of entropy | Aug 05 11:23 |
Ng | :) | Aug 05 11:23 |
fewa | but it does provide a very small amount | Aug 05 11:23 |
oiaohm | Depends on kernel realtime kernels do get into less than microseconds schestowitz | Aug 05 11:23 |
fewa | SSL gateways use entropt generating devices, right? | Aug 05 11:23 |
Ng | fewa: quite often, yeah | Aug 05 11:24 |
Ng | SGI ran an amusingly cool entropy generator for a while, it was a webcam pointing at a rack of lava lamps :) | Aug 05 11:24 |
schestowitz | Servers have no mouse input | Aug 05 11:24 |
fewa | lawl | Aug 05 11:24 |
schestowitz | And idle time for mice is great, so you need to log mouse movement | Aug 05 11:24 |
schestowitz | CPU wasted | Aug 05 11:24 |
fewa | schestowitz, not log, just store entropy | Aug 05 11:25 |
Ng | the combination of the highly chaotic lava and the noise on the CCD made for a pretty excellently random source of data, but a rack of lavalamps isn't very practical/safe for most datacentres ;) | Aug 05 11:25 |
oiaohm | Highly sentivie mice are a great source. | Aug 05 11:25 |
oiaohm | Spreed over a building. | Aug 05 11:25 |
oiaohm | Yes computer mouse in a closed box. | Aug 05 11:25 |
fewa | oiaohm, sharing entropy is risky | Aug 05 11:25 |
schestowitz | Maybe they can put lava lamp in each computer ;-) /sarcasm | Aug 05 11:26 |
fewa | Like how people imagine a gazillion elves or something | Aug 05 11:27 |
schestowitz | Motherboard fried by lava | Aug 05 11:27 |
Ng | I suspect that a webcam with the lens covered would be an interesting source on its own | Aug 05 11:27 |
Ng | the CCDs are so bad that they're still pretty noisy | Aug 05 11:27 |
oiaohm | Not that much Ng | Aug 05 11:27 |
oiaohm | Lot of CCD have a fairly dependanble pattern when in darkness. | Aug 05 11:28 |
fewa | predictable noise probably | Aug 05 11:28 |
schestowitz | If you want high entropy, then put a sensor on Britney's mind... | Aug 05 11:28 |
schestowitz | Very shaky and unstable | Aug 05 11:28 |
fewa | but therea rea alot of sources | Aug 05 11:28 |
fewa | just read the binay of images | Aug 05 11:28 |
fewa | depends what you are looking for | Aug 05 11:28 |
fewa | 1. even distrobution | Aug 05 11:28 |
fewa | or 2.not predictable | Aug 05 11:29 |
Ng | http://www.lavarnd.org/what/index.html hehe | Aug 05 11:29 |
oiaohm | Harddrive sensors are funny they pick up all kinds of virbrations. | Aug 05 11:29 |
oiaohm | Sometimes even shouting. | Aug 05 11:29 |
Ng | yeah | Aug 05 11:30 |
schestowitz | That's why people shout at their computers !! | Aug 05 11:30 |
schestowitz | "Work, damn it!" | Aug 05 11:30 |
oiaohm | Shouting at your computer can slow down the harddrive read. | Aug 05 11:30 |
oiaohm | So making it respond even worse. | Aug 05 11:31 |
schestowitz | Shouting helps emotionally though, based on recent research | Aug 05 11:31 |
oiaohm | Helps emotionally | Aug 05 11:31 |
oiaohm | But not the hardware. | Aug 05 11:31 |
schestowitz | Hurt yourself? Try f**king swearing < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/13/pain_relief/ > | Aug 05 11:31 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: jitters can help | Aug 05 11:31 |
oiaohm | Not with harddrives. | Aug 05 11:31 |
schestowitz | Like hitting my CRTs when they go wonky (bad tubes) | Aug 05 11:32 |
oiaohm | Outside virbrations slow harddrive read speed. | Aug 05 11:32 |
schestowitz | Degaussing too | Aug 05 11:32 |
fewa | The Tubes! | Aug 05 11:32 |
fewa | Series of Tubes! | Aug 05 11:32 |
schestowitz | I actually use one CRT and one LCD ATM | Aug 05 11:32 |
oiaohm | CRT different matter. | Aug 05 11:32 |
oiaohm | I have not had a CRT for 3 years. | Aug 05 11:32 |
schestowitz | fewa: the monitor is a series of tubes... we need to tax them | Aug 05 11:32 |
fewa | Not a big truck | Aug 05 11:33 |
schestowitz | CRTs are good for spares | Aug 05 11:33 |
oiaohm | I have spare LCD's. | Aug 05 11:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Victorian Department of Transport Adopts GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/2b5Yf | Aug 05 11:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yellow Dog Still Targets PlayStation for GNU/Linux Installations http://ping.fm/AqINo | Aug 05 11:41 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Magazine Enters the Mainstream Press http://ping.fm/Bo8uF | Aug 05 11:42 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Desktops on More Apple Hardware http://ping.fm/9xx0A | Aug 05 11:46 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Geolocation May Come to Desktop GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/zTwqM | Aug 05 11:55 | |
oiaohm | Gnome is now going after web intergration. | Aug 05 11:56 |
schestowitz | yes, I saw a blog post about it | Aug 05 11:57 |
schestowitz | Rosa or somehting.. | Aug 05 11:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reasons for MSPs to Look into Virtualised GNU/Linux Desktops http://ping.fm/nK7MI | Aug 05 11:57 | |
schestowitz | Costa..? Can't recall.. | Aug 05 11:57 |
oiaohm | Basically kde catch up. | Aug 05 12:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Linux Foundation Grows Bigger with New Member http://ping.fm/TcNTp | Aug 05 12:00 | |
oiaohm | Open source without gnome drive kde and kde drive gnome the desktop would be going no where. | Aug 05 12:00 |
schestowitz | Maybe. They have other pressures | Aug 05 12:01 |
Diablo-D3 | you mean gnome without cloning windows ;)\ | Aug 05 12:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] And another Linux conference: http://ping.fm/8gdec | Aug 05 12:02 | |
oiaohm | Windows mostly cherry picks out of apple and open source Diablo-D3 | Aug 05 12:02 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 05 12:02 |
schestowitz | Since Day 1 | Aug 05 12:02 |
Diablo-D3 | * cherry picks out of * | Aug 05 12:02 |
schestowitz | Inpirations | Aug 05 12:02 |
schestowitz | Ribbons came from WordPerfect | Aug 05 12:03 |
oiaohm | Ribbon also comes from KDE tools tabed toolbars. | Aug 05 12:03 |
Diablo-D3 | the trash can came from an ancient human burial ritual | Aug 05 12:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top Ten Enhancements for OpenOffice.org (Like Firefox) http://ping.fm/2j66R , FreeBSD Runs Office 2007 http://ping.fm/C6CbH | Aug 05 12:03 | |
schestowitz | Microsoft is able to make noise about "innovation" for stuff it 'stole' | Aug 05 12:03 |
schestowitz | It dazzles the masses | Aug 05 12:03 |
oiaohm | MS calls there trash can the recycle bin. | Aug 05 12:03 |
oiaohm | all other platforms call it trash. | Aug 05 12:03 |
schestowitz | They think MS invented the browser, the word processor, spreadsheet, window interfaces.... | Aug 05 12:04 |
Diablo-D3 | I used to rename mine trash can | Aug 05 12:04 |
schestowitz | I can't recall what I called it | Aug 05 12:05 |
schestowitz | "Bin" I think | Aug 05 12:05 |
schestowitz | In win98 | Aug 05 12:05 |
oiaohm | MS has not invented that much. | Aug 05 12:05 |
oiaohm | Recycle bin entered in win95 | Aug 05 12:05 |
oiaohm | as its name schestowitz | Aug 05 12:06 |
oiaohm | Before that MS did not have anything like it. | Aug 05 12:06 |
schestowitz | me on kde 3.1: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog_Frames/SSH_multiple.jpg | Aug 05 12:06 |
trmanco | the guy on the image is glen murphy | Aug 05 12:06 |
trmanco | the chrome designer | Aug 05 12:06 |
schestowitz | My last days with a windows partition: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog_Frames/windows_98.jpg | Aug 05 12:06 |
schestowitz | Here's me deleting the last Windows partition I ever had: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog_Frames/filesystem.jpg | Aug 05 12:07 |
trmanco | it was a joke | Aug 05 12:07 |
trmanco | :-) | Aug 05 12:07 |
trmanco | A funny one btw | Aug 05 12:07 |
oiaohm | ubuntu is going into like the ads game with there decated landscape servers. | Aug 05 12:08 |
oiaohm | The battle between windows and Linux's is going to keep on slowly heating up. | Aug 05 12:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Review, Tips, and New Sub-notebooks Tweaks http://ping.fm/IEwBS http://ping.fm/ZYsT7 http://ping.fm/v3o0D | Aug 05 12:09 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: weird humour | Aug 05 12:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Debian Squeeze http://ping.fm/AuPYc | Aug 05 12:11 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat's GNU/Linux Growth Starts to Worry Much Bigger Companies http://ping.fm/NooTl http://ping.fm/vyRzs | Aug 05 12:15 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canonical Embraces Private #FogComputing to Add Value to Ubuntu http://ping.fm/AZWcp | Aug 05 12:18 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Next Ubuntu GNU/Linux Called "Perhaps the Most Important Release" http://ping.fm/6MZVt | Aug 05 12:20 | |
trmanco | http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2009-August/070054.html | Aug 05 12:20 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: It's a feature, not a bug | Aug 05 12:23 |
trmanco | yeah, sure it is | Aug 05 12:23 |
schestowitz | trmanco: http://blogs.computerworld.com/node/5360 | Aug 05 12:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kindle Good Linux Device, Bad, Bad DRM http://ping.fm/7VklA | Aug 05 12:25 | |
trmanco | why didn'y it get dugg? | Aug 05 12:27 |
trmanco | digg didn't exist in 2007? | Aug 05 12:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Linux Mint 7 KDE Edition, Which Looks Stunning http://ping.fm/xrGMq | Aug 05 12:28 | |
Diablo-D3 | digg existed in 2004 ;) | Aug 05 12:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mobile Linux Challenges Blackberry http://ping.fm/XO7qr | Aug 05 12:29 | |
oiaohm | Landscape from Ubuntu is kinda over grown ADS server. | Aug 05 12:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FreePBX Working Out Well Thanks to Free Software Telephony http://ping.fm/VOb0J | Aug 05 12:31 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Synchronisation Comes to Chrome Browser http://ping.fm/rDhNI | Aug 05 12:35 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness Spreads to More Areas - Access, Datasets, Hardware http://ping.fm/QcZtv http://ping.fm/p0EkU http://ping.fm/VC28G | Aug 05 12:37 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolies Fight Dissent Using "Adolf Eichmann" Comparisons http://ping.fm/kkNu7 http://ping.fm/uKfoF http://ping.fm/OLQES | Aug 05 12:39 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Month of August is Month to Embargo All Output from the MPAA/RIAA http://ping.fm/mqPVI | Aug 05 12:43 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mermaid Left Alone by Intellectual Monopolist (and Other Intellectual Insanities) http://ping.fm/fv9AU http://ping.fm/IGXEq http://ping ... | Aug 05 12:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Pharmaceutical Cartel Does Not Get Enough from Patents, Buys More Intellectual Monopolies http://ping.fm/BfXqY http://ping.fm/6HONW | Aug 05 12:49 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another FTC Complaint About Microsoft AstroTurfing is Coming Up http://ping.fm/nfPgd http://ping.fm/XjMKz | Aug 05 12:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More So-called "Reporters" Turn Out to be Corporate Shills http://ping.fm/qBCPD | Aug 05 12:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Tells Investors It is Afraid of GNU/Linux on the Desktop http://ping.fm/2xwSq http://ping.fm/Ej5az http://ping.fm/qwE8v | Aug 05 12:58 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 a Ripoff in the UK http://ping.fm/96mVl , Microsoft Tries to Tax GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/jNhd4 | Aug 05 13:02 | |
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schestowitz | VM companies love using big words like "consolidation" and some stupid excuses for why VMs offer a big advantage | Aug 05 13:10 |
schestowitz | FLOSS Weekly 67: Xe < http://twit.tv/floss67 > | Aug 05 13:10 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Happy! Boxee playing HD content on my Revo running Ubuntu, using a PS3 bluetooth remote! This will make wifey happy. iPlayer in bed. :) | Aug 05 13:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Suggestions for a nice meal to cook for wifey for our 9th wedding anniversary welcome! | Aug 05 13:22 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] freda just seen dentist, will have teeth filled and pulled in 2-3 months *and exhale* | Aug 05 13:24 | |
schestowitz | F# turns out to be ripoff of ocaml | Aug 05 13:27 |
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satipera | M$ are off message in their annual SEC 10K filing, they are not calling netbooks smartbooks. | Aug 05 13:33 |
MinceR | they don't dare talk about smartbooks yet | Aug 05 13:34 |
satipera | Not until they have something that will run on them | Aug 05 13:34 |
oiaohm | smartbooks are not MS title | Aug 05 13:35 |
satipera | decently | Aug 05 13:35 |
oiaohm | smartbooks are a arm title. | Aug 05 13:35 |
satipera | my mistake what are M$ calling them | Aug 05 13:35 |
MinceR | i'd expect them to call them smartbooks | Aug 05 13:36 |
oiaohm | sub notebooks | Aug 05 13:36 |
MinceR | but m$ is probably afraid of ARM | Aug 05 13:36 |
MinceR | "netbooks" are subnotebooks too | Aug 05 13:36 |
MinceR | and so are expensive subnotebooks | Aug 05 13:36 |
oiaohm | smartbooks are not exactly a netbook. | Aug 05 13:36 |
satipera | I saw an article about them trying to get people to call them smartbooks | Aug 05 13:36 |
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oiaohm | A smartbook is a phone grown up to laptop size kinda. | Aug 05 13:37 |
oiaohm | Key requirement to be a smartbook is a embeded mobile phone. | Aug 05 13:37 |
satipera | Perhaps they refer to netbooks that way as a term of contempt | Aug 05 13:37 |
satipera | I think Microsoft jack has called them that as well | Aug 05 13:37 |
MinceR | you mean physically embedding an actual mobile phone in a way that you can remove the mobile phone and use it separately? | Aug 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | satipera: correct | Aug 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | Microsoft tries to reclassify threat | Aug 05 13:38 |
oiaohm | Not removeable MinceR | Aug 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | And then assigns FUD to them | Aug 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | As in: | Aug 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | Atom=netbooks | Aug 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | Netbooks=good | Aug 05 13:38 |
schestowitz | ARM=Linux-only=smartbooks | Aug 05 13:39 |
schestowitz | Smartbooks=bad | Aug 05 13:39 |
oiaohm | Thinking you could use a blue tooth head set off a smartbooks. | Aug 05 13:39 |
schestowitz | I saw two articles with Microsoft staff giving this impression | Aug 05 13:39 |
oiaohm | basicallly cutting out one thing you have to carry MinceR | Aug 05 13:39 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: not true, it's not a phone | Aug 05 13:39 |
schestowitz | Just because the h/w may have ARM9 means nothing | Aug 05 13:39 |
yes, and M$ are idiots | Aug 05 13:39 | |
schestowitz | It's the software that matter | Aug 05 13:39 |
right | Aug 05 13:40 | |
schestowitz | Ubuntu doesn't run on smatrphones | Aug 05 13:40 |
schestowitz | That would be Android | Aug 05 13:40 |
oiaohm | Requirement for smartbook title is a phone part schestowitz. | Aug 05 13:40 |
schestowitz | And Android scales up to sub-notebooks | Aug 05 13:40 |
Debian runs on everything. | Aug 05 13:40 | |
oiaohm | Because arm idea is that phone contract could be bundled with smartbooks. | Aug 05 13:40 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: who decided? | Aug 05 13:41 |
I'm not sure about Ubuntu. Non free junk like Flash has problems on other platforms. | Aug 05 13:41 | |
schestowitz | I can make up terminology | Aug 05 13:41 |
schestowitz | Fartbook is a machine that 'runs' Vista and hardly responds | Aug 05 13:41 |
schestowitz | There. | Aug 05 13:41 |
schestowitz | I defined a new form factor | Aug 05 13:41 |
oiaohm | Arm who coined the smartbook name schestowitz | Aug 05 13:41 |
schestowitz | For Microsoft it's easy to make up name | Aug 05 13:41 |
schestowitz | Who controls "netbook" now? | Aug 05 13:41 |
M$ terminology masks the richness and flexibility of free software. | Aug 05 13:41 | |
schestowitz | After Psion I got the impression the Microsoft Axis (Dell, Intel, etc.) maintained some control and policing over the use of the TM | Aug 05 13:42 |
oiaohm | There are a few mips designs that may also be able to use the smartbook title. | Aug 05 13:42 |
it also masks the flexibility of computing in general | Aug 05 13:42 | |
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the terms "server" and "client" are good examplesof how wacky and stupid M$ terminology is. | Aug 05 13:43 | |
They create divisions that need not exist. | Aug 05 13:43 | |
oiaohm | X11 has those wacked up badly twitter | Aug 05 13:43 |
schestowitz | There are others | Aug 05 13:43 |
schestowitz | Customer vs Consumer | Aug 05 13:43 |
schestowitz | Or Thin Client versus Fat Client | Aug 05 13:44 |
schestowitz | "Vista Capable" | Aug 05 13:44 |
schestowitz | "Ultimate Edition" | Aug 05 13:44 |
The divisions are designed to smear and limit. | Aug 05 13:44 | |
oiaohm | Issue is where does DRBL fit. | Aug 05 13:44 |
schestowitz | "Reduced [x] mode" | Aug 05 13:44 |
Those are good examples. | Aug 05 13:44 | |
"Home" and "Professional" | Aug 05 13:44 | |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Aug 05 13:44 |
schestowitz | How about "Non-professional" | Aug 05 13:45 |
schestowitz | Insult your customer | Aug 05 13:45 |
schestowitz | He's just a "Starter" | Aug 05 13:45 |
schestowitz | aka "n0b" | Aug 05 13:45 |
crippled | Aug 05 13:45 | |
oiaohm | MS has been creating fake divides. | Aug 05 13:45 |
lamer | Aug 05 13:45 | |
schestowitz | And Johnny here is an Ultimate man... cause he paid Microsoft a lot | Aug 05 13:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz even good journalists are hideously insecure at media outlets. PR pays twice as much too. | Aug 05 13:45 | |
all of this propaganda is designed to overcome the obvious failures of non free software | Aug 05 13:46 | |
oiaohm | Both have failed. | Aug 05 13:46 |
and windows in particular | Aug 05 13:46 | |
schestowitz | RMS and the infinite bread... | Aug 05 13:47 |
oiaohm | Free software has not had interests in particular markets either. | Aug 05 13:47 |
schestowitz | When things can be duplicated, why divide by class? | Aug 05 13:47 |
oiaohm | So MS got to exist without good competition. | Aug 05 13:47 |
to make customers helpless | Aug 05 13:47 | |
schestowitz | Should we also lock the public libabraries so that the books won't be read by poor people? | Aug 05 13:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard sure, so spread the awareness of this. I'm sick of self-appointed 'experts' like Microsoft Jack TBH... | Aug 05 13:47 | |
what public libraries? | Aug 05 13:47 | |
schestowitz | ANy. | Aug 05 13:47 |
schestowitz | Where there's no limitation in terms of abundance | Aug 05 13:48 |
oiaohm | Think back before public libraries existed on large scale. | Aug 05 13:48 |
I know of only one officially recognized electronic library, archive.org | Aug 05 13:48 | |
oiaohm | We have lived threw a IT darkage. | Aug 05 13:48 |
publishers do not want libraries in the future | Aug 05 13:48 | |
People want public libraries, but are being convinced that sharing is wrong. | Aug 05 13:49 | |
oiaohm | Of course they want a return to the darkage when books were insanly expensive. | Aug 05 13:49 |
You can't have a public library if you think sharing is wrong. | Aug 05 13:50 | |
oiaohm | Incorrect. | Aug 05 13:50 |
oiaohm | Remember the old chain public libraries. | Aug 05 13:50 |
oiaohm | Were the books were quite littierally chained to the shelves. | Aug 05 13:51 |
Most people have not seen this contradiction yet because publishers have confined their argument to popular music. | Aug 05 13:51 | |
oiaohm | And taking notes in some sections was even forbin. | Aug 05 13:51 |
oiaohm | It was still a public library but suxed majorally. | Aug 05 13:51 |
Rich people who donate piles of money to buy a building and fill it with books for the public are considered good. | Aug 05 13:52 | |
oiaohm | History goes threw loops twitter. | Aug 05 13:52 |
schestowitz | twitter: too late for reversal of this in text | Aug 05 13:52 |
schestowitz | Also, in music and video they are losing the chase | Aug 05 13:52 |
Normal people who buy piles of CDs and put them online are considered bad. | Aug 05 13:52 | |
It is never too late for people to see reason. | Aug 05 13:53 | |
oiaohm | There is a difference. | Aug 05 13:53 |
The contradiction is obvious when stated plainly. | Aug 05 13:53 | |
Sharing is good. | Aug 05 13:53 | |
oiaohm | Filling a library with books does not expand the numbers of books in existance. | Aug 05 13:53 |
oiaohm | So does not interfer with supply and demard. | Aug 05 13:54 |
Attempts to eradicate sharing are evil. | Aug 05 13:54 | |
oiaohm | Sharing can be harmful in a envorment that is not ready for it. | Aug 05 13:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This review made me want to read the book: http://is.gd/23G6t at least sounds more interestingly frothing than Andrew Keen | Aug 05 13:55 | |
oiaohm | People who want sharing are not answering the question how to we migrate from the current system to a sharing system without major harm twitter. | Aug 05 13:56 |
oiaohm | So far no one has designed a good answer to that. There have been a lot of half assed answers. Like lets reduce copyright to 5 years and basically put Open source at a disadvantage to closed soruce. | Aug 05 13:57 |
oiaohm | Resistance to sharing is because people see there lively hoods on the line twitter. | Aug 05 13:57 |
oiaohm | Do you have any clean ideas to deal with the issue twitter | Aug 05 13:58 |
from today's news picks, " The more software that we see becoming available for Linux, the more credibility Linux will have among the skeptical." | Aug 05 13:59 | |
Where does this skepticism come from? | Aug 05 13:59 | |
How does the embrace of non free software change that? | Aug 05 13:59 | |
oiaohm | People have large stacks of data built in particular programs. | Aug 05 14:00 |
oiaohm | So if they don't have those applications they fear changing. | Aug 05 14:00 |
Is it not enough that all competent people already know and use free software? IBM, Apple, Google and so on. | Aug 05 14:00 | |
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oiaohm | This is the cause of the skeptical problem. | Aug 05 14:01 |
oiaohm | Biggest called for program in the list is Photoshop. | Aug 05 14:01 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: TechDirt offers real solutions to the sharing 'problem' | Aug 05 14:01 |
schestowitz | It's not true that there are no answers. | Aug 05 14:01 |
schestowitz | Additionally, go to YouTube and search for his talks on copyrights. He too proposes solutions | Aug 05 14:02 |
oiaohm | I have not see good answers I have not visited techdirt | Aug 05 14:02 |
schestowitz | Not nice solutions to middlemen (moguels) | Aug 05 14:02 |
schestowitz | *moguls | Aug 05 14:02 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: give it a go | Aug 05 14:02 |
oiaohm | Middlemen have most of the money. | Aug 05 14:03 |
oiaohm | So they will put up massive fight. | Aug 05 14:03 |
oiaohm | http://www.blendernation.com/2009/08/05/blender-2-5-unveiled-at-siggraph-expected-release-date-announced/ << Hmm what is it with Oct and software releases. | Aug 05 14:05 |
I ran E16 on my netbook the other day. Infinite desktop creation and the ability of programs to overlay panels goes a long way to overcoming even the smallest screen, 7" 800x640 | Aug 05 14:06 | |
woops, 800x460 | Aug 05 14:06 | |
or is it 480? | Aug 05 14:06 | |
it's tiny! | Aug 05 14:06 | |
but pagers and edge flipping save the day. | Aug 05 14:07 | |
desu | not as tiny as a 1920x1080 at 15.6" :P | Aug 05 14:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Nice tool from mrben for 'fixing' the issue where panel icons move about in GNOME. http://bit.ly/wWVJM | Aug 05 14:07 | |
fancy edge flipping is basically what iPhone delivers | Aug 05 14:07 | |
and people love it | Aug 05 14:08 | |
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oiaohm | Virtual desktop and desktop not matched to screen res in X11 was always designed to assist on smaller screens. | Aug 05 14:09 |
oiaohm | With other techs things will only get better. | Aug 05 14:09 |
satipera | I thought this may be of interest from microsoft 10k | Aug 05 14:09 |
satipera | ITEM 1A. RISK FACTORS Our operations and financial results are subject to various risks and uncertainties, including those described below, that could adversely affect our business, financial condition, results of operations, cash flows, and the trading price of our common stock. Challenges to our business model may reduce our revenues and operating margins. Our business model has been based upon customer | Aug 05 14:10 |
Kindle is the public library big publishers would like to provide. Total control, monitoring and pay per play. | Aug 05 14:10 | |
satipera | I can't post it all | Aug 05 14:10 |
oiaohm | Hmm what have MS staff been drinking. | Aug 05 14:11 |
oiaohm | MS Busines has been based on the exploit of there customers. | Aug 05 14:11 |
oiaohm | Not seeing to there customer needs. | Aug 05 14:11 |
quote the interesting parts, satipera | Aug 05 14:11 | |
oiaohm | So now its kicking back on them. | Aug 05 14:11 |
or just give us a link | Aug 05 14:11 | |
satipera | The 10k makes very interesting reading though | Aug 05 14:12 |
satipera | yes , I will hust a minute | Aug 05 14:12 |
satipera | just | Aug 05 14:12 |
schestowitz | satipera: I'll use that quote, thanls. | Aug 05 14:12 |
schestowitz | satipera: don't worry, I will post it shortly | Aug 05 14:13 |
schestowitz | Part of a longer new post | Aug 05 14:13 |
oiaohm | twitter really is not total control. Big publishers want to control supply so they can maintain price. | Aug 05 14:14 |
satipera | try this link http://www.microsoft.com/msft/download/FY09/MSFT_10K_2009.docx | Aug 05 14:15 |
fewa | artificial scarcity | Aug 05 14:15 |
oiaohm | People who see books in public library still may buy there own copy or tell people about book who want to buy there own copy twitter. | Aug 05 14:15 |
oiaohm | Exactly fewa | Aug 05 14:15 |
satipera | ok | Aug 05 14:15 |
oiaohm | Its unlikely big publishers will want to kill off public libraries. its not good for business. twitter. | Aug 05 14:16 |
schestowitz | Yuck. DOCX | Aug 05 14:16 |
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schestowitz | Anything other than MOOX? | Aug 05 14:16 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Helprin -> Lessig called Helprin's writing "insanely sloppy" [5] and also criticized HarperCollins for publishing a book "riddled with the most basic errors of fact." | Aug 05 14:17 | |
oiaohm | Gets even more funny some authors of books don't exist as humans. Just computer generated filler. | Aug 05 14:18 |
-> Helprin's writing has appeared in The New Yorker for two decades. | Aug 05 14:20 | |
I'm with Tom Wolfe about The New Yorker. Tiny Mummies! | Aug 05 14:20 | |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/sep/03/tomwolfe | Aug 05 14:21 | |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/sep/03/tomwolfe | Aug 05 14:21 | |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Wolfe | Aug 05 14:22 | |
oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=3916 The fake windows patches are back for another round of victoms. | Aug 05 14:32 |
tee hee, " Mr. Wolfe does not begin with the premise that the magazine had a heyday that it lost. He says it stunk to start with. Here's a bit of "Tiny Mummies!" taken from the photocopied scraps of the article that have been circulating in this office for years: " The New Yorker was never anything more than a rather slavish copy of Punch . Nevertheless, literati in America took to it like they were dying of thirst. The need was so | Aug 05 14:36 | |
http://www.observer.com/node/42572 | Aug 05 14:36 | |
The internet has come to slake that thirst. | Aug 05 14:36 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Apple outdoes itself, censors the *dictionary* http://daringfireball.net/2009/08/ninjawords | Aug 05 14:51 | |
more military censorship http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-pentagon-facebook5-2009aug05,0,3998956.story | Aug 05 14:52 | |
too much truth gets out | Aug 05 14:52 | |
North Dakota only has one post office? http://www.jamestownsun.com/event/article/id/90890/ | Aug 05 14:53 | |
Wife of suspected terrorist killed http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/05/pakistan.drone.attack/ | Aug 05 14:54 | |
not as horrific and previous attacks on wedding parties | Aug 05 14:55 | |
Happy Days are Here Again, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ajycUC9mfpQ8 | Aug 05 14:57 | |
last month only 400,000 people go fired. | Aug 05 14:57 | |
so much nicer than 500,000 people a month! | Aug 05 14:57 | |
and down she goes, http://www.google.com/finance | Aug 05 14:59 | |
schestowitz | twitter: I think it was in range of 300k-400k in March | Aug 05 15:00 |
schestowitz | Then it sank again | Aug 05 15:00 |
wallclimber | Uge! Alastair Otter's article: "Ubuntu's Karmic Koala: What to expect" is full of back-handed "compliments" and sly comparisons to Vista 7 | Aug 05 15:00 |
schestowitz | They try to characterise not-as-bad DECLINE as good news | Aug 05 15:00 |
wallclimber | http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/9068.html | Aug 05 15:01 |
schestowitz | The matter of fact is that in healthy economies employment -- like population -- need go higher each month | Aug 05 15:01 |
law of diminishing marginal returns. when you have nothing, you lose less. | Aug 05 15:01 | |
schestowitz | wallclimber: yeah, I don't like that publication in general | Aug 05 15:01 |
sounds like good news to me | Aug 05 15:01 | |
schestowitz | He was writing at Tectonic before they closed | Aug 05 15:01 |
wallclimber | It's funny, as bad as the economy is, this has been the busiest year I've ever had | Aug 05 15:01 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: many people seek ponies and comes | Aug 05 15:02 |
those lucky enough to have work are squeezed very hard | Aug 05 15:02 | |
wallclimber | It may not last, but so far the fall is sizing up to be very busy too | Aug 05 15:02 |
schestowitz | Seriously now, there are some sectors that benefit | Aug 05 15:02 |
rights are trampled | Aug 05 15:02 | |
schestowitz | Criticism of corrupt establishment gains appeal when bad periods come | Aug 05 15:02 |
wallclimber | Hey, I like ponies! (especially bar-b-qued!) :) | Aug 05 15:02 |
schestowitz | People are careless and complacent until their Pres. says they need to pay a $700bn bill for some banksters | Aug 05 15:03 |
horse veal? | Aug 05 15:03 | |
wallclimber | yum | Aug 05 15:03 |
wallclimber | lol | Aug 05 15:03 |
schestowitz | Never tried | Aug 05 15:03 |
I need my $23 trillion bailout too. | Aug 05 15:03 | |
schestowitz | In some countries they probably eat them | Aug 05 15:03 |
wallclimber | the tails are good for smacking flies | Aug 05 15:03 |
schestowitz | Like veal or eggs | Aug 05 15:03 |
anything tastes good when you are hungry | Aug 05 15:04 | |
schestowitz | twitter: apply at the office... right after the lady who wants a shot for her puppy | Aug 05 15:04 |
schestowitz | The world envies US healthcare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOCpOZ4txvs | Aug 05 15:05 |
US envies US healthcare. | Aug 05 15:05 | |
wallclimber | (just to be safe, i should probably say that i've never bar-b-qued a pony in real life) | Aug 05 15:05 |
some have it, many do not. | Aug 05 15:05 | |
the disparity grows | Aug 05 15:06 | |
schestowitz | wallclimber: everyone here who reads BN also eats babies of course. | Aug 05 15:06 |
that's what veal is | Aug 05 15:06 | |
schestowitz | That'll give something for the hecklers to quote out of context ;-) | Aug 05 15:06 |
wallclimber | ohhh, i forgot the babies! yum! | Aug 05 15:07 |
wallclimber | broiled is good | Aug 05 15:07 |
schestowitz | $> yum apache php5 babies | Aug 05 15:07 |
wallclimber | :) | Aug 05 15:07 |
wallclimber | did you get my last email? | Aug 05 15:08 |
schestowitz | error: no package "babeies" found | Aug 05 15:08 |
schestowitz | Darn! | Aug 05 15:08 |
people notice US is bankrupt http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGHdnBoGjo9E | Aug 05 15:08 | |
schestowitz | wallclimber: not yet | Aug 05 15:08 |
schestowitz | twitter: there's nothing that more borrowing won't fix ;-) | Aug 05 15:08 |
schestowitz | Just pass the burden to our grandkids | Aug 05 15:09 |
wallclimber | speaking of work, i'd better get back to it. nobody ever warned me what a time-sink IRC can be. :) | Aug 05 15:09 |
-> Thirty-year bond yields touched their highest levels in almost a week as the government indicated it’s considering introducing 30-year Treasury Inflation Protected Securities and ending 20-year TIPS as it finances unprecedented budget deficits. | Aug 05 15:09 | |
wait for friday, when official job loss numbers are announced | Aug 05 15:10 | |
schestowitz | wallclimber: thanks, I'll read the mail in a mo | Aug 05 15:11 |
wallclimber | it's funny, my grandkids keep asking me what it was like during the Great Depression. I have to keep explaining that i wasn't there...lol, they think everyone over 30 is old old old | Aug 05 15:11 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 05 15:11 |
schestowitz | My grandpa was a kid back then | Aug 05 15:12 |
wallclimber | i figure they'll know more than they ever wanted about depressions by the time they are my age | Aug 05 15:12 |
schestowitz | Baby even | Aug 05 15:12 |
schestowitz | His family lost everything, but it wasn't the exception | Aug 05 15:12 |
schestowitz | It's a reboot time for the economy | Aug 05 15:12 |
wallclimber | my parents were children of the Great Depression and the Dustbowl days | Aug 05 15:12 |
wallclimber | challenging times, they were | Aug 05 15:13 |
schestowitz | Everyone's money gets flattened, except the Rothschilds and Rockefellers and all | Aug 05 15:13 |
Ugh, RMS points to nonsense and misdirection -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/02/organics-food | Aug 05 15:13 | |
schestowitz | I saw that | Aug 05 15:14 |
schestowitz | He points to one publication too much IMHO | Aug 05 15:14 |
schestowitz | Tory publication | Aug 05 15:14 |
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pesticides are bad for you, OK? | Aug 05 15:15 | |
"modern" agriculture is not sustainable. | Aug 05 15:16 | |
thenixedreport | Agreed. | Aug 05 15:16 |
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thenixedreport | I believe I read that RMS wasn't opposed to genetic modification, but that more testing is needed to ensure safety. | Aug 05 15:16 |
it would be irrational to be opposed to something that's not tested, but it is less rational still to assume everything is fine and immoral use your neighbors as test subjects. | Aug 05 15:18 | |
I'm not sure how pesticides are supposed to cut down on "fungal toxins" | Aug 05 15:18 | |
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One thing is sure, organic food production is better for the land and provides much better taste. | Aug 05 15:21 | |
Omar87 | Hi guys. | Aug 05 15:21 |
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Omar87 | Take a look at these two pieces. They give us an even clearer view about how much pain the iPhone is causing to Windows Mobile: http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsphone/archive/2009/07/31/ready-to-port-your-iphone-app-to-windows-mobile.aspx | Aug 05 15:23 |
Omar87 | http://www.intomobile.com/2009/08/04/microsoft-helps-devs-port-iphone-apps-to-windows-mobile.html | Aug 05 15:23 |
heh, -> The systematic review correctly looked only at good-quality data published in peer-reviewed academic journals. | Aug 05 15:23 | |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/01/bad-science-organic-food | Aug 05 15:24 | |
I'm starting to have less faith in journals because their publishers are more hostile than ever. | Aug 05 15:24 | |
making fake journals and working hand in hand for business interests rather than minding the knowledge store | Aug 05 15:25 | |
thenixedreport | Precisely. | Aug 05 15:26 |
thenixedreport | That's what happens when people start going "backwards" in the eyes of others. | Aug 05 15:27 |
thenixedreport | Sometimes it helps to repeat the phrase, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" | Aug 05 15:27 |
schestowitz | Omar87: thanks for the links | Aug 05 15:28 |
schestowitz | twitter: yes, Elsevier got busted | Aug 05 15:28 |
schestowitz | Also see: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/22/gates-foundation-gmo/ | Aug 05 15:28 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Sure, anytime. | Aug 05 15:29 |
thenixedreport | Is anyone wondering yet why it is that the Gates Foundation hasn't been able to solve the AIDS problem? | Aug 05 15:33 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fake Reporters, Microsoft, Apple, and the FTC http://ping.fm/t4UxM | Aug 05 15:58 | |
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_Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Aug 05 16:08 |
schestowitz | Yo | Aug 05 16:08 |
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_Hicham_ | wb senior tacone | Aug 05 16:09 |
tacone | hey | Aug 05 16:10 |
*schestowitz listens to http://twit.tv/floss70 | Aug 05 16:10 | |
thenixedreport | So what about TLLTS | Aug 05 16:10 |
thenixedreport | ? | Aug 05 16:10 |
schestowitz | Is it still running? | Aug 05 16:12 |
schestowitz | I don't see links anywhere | Aug 05 16:12 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmm.. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/02/1858214/SUSE-Studio-10-Released | Aug 05 16:13 |
schestowitz | http://tllts.org/ | Aug 05 16:13 |
schestowitz | I'll listen to their latest | Aug 05 16:13 |
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trmanco | <!-- Menus --> | Aug 05 16:43 |
trmanco | <include name="IDR_MENU_DROPARROW" file="menu_droparrow.png" type="BINDATA" /> | Aug 05 16:43 |
trmanco | + | Aug 05 16:43 |
trmanco | + <include name="IDR_GLEN" file="linux_close_glen.png" type="BINDATA" /> | Aug 05 16:43 |
schestowitz | Weird HTML | Aug 05 16:44 |
trmanco | it's not really html | Aug 05 16:45 |
trmanco | http://codereview.chromium.org/159885 | Aug 05 16:45 |
trmanco | that's the commit that put Glen's face on where the close button should be | Aug 05 16:46 |
trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-discuss/browse_thread/thread/de159213279d87b6?pli=1 | Aug 05 16:50 |
*Omar87 thanks Roy for the link. | Aug 05 16:52 | |
*Omar87 the www.twit.tv link. | Aug 05 16:53 | |
*Omar87 meant http://twit.tv | Aug 05 16:54 | |
schestowitz | http://www.microsoft.com/msft/speech/FY05/PooleFAM2005.mspx | Aug 05 16:57 |
schestowitz | "A second area is looking at open source. There have certainly been perceptions within the enterprise that open source is a less expensive solution for desktop computing. Through our Get the Facts and other campaigns, we’re showing that that is largely not the case. And we’ve fitted emerging markets, the phenomenon of what we call 24-hour Linux, where a customer buys a Linux-based PC, a small business or a consumer, takes it ho | Aug 05 16:57 |
schestowitz | me and then walks down the street and puts a pirated copy of Windows on that PC." | Aug 05 16:57 |
schestowitz | Omar87: it's my new favourtie show | Aug 05 16:57 |
Eruaran | Thats such a load of sh** that it looks like it might have been written by Ballmer himself... | Aug 05 16:58 |
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Balrog | schestowitz: google is buying On2 ... http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/08/google-may-take-aim-at-web-video-standards-with-on2-purchase.ars | Aug 05 17:03 |
Balrog | what do you think? | Aug 05 17:03 |
Xarver | interesting | Aug 05 17:05 |
Balrog | it's still not final though | Aug 05 17:06 |
Balrog | but likely will go through | Aug 05 17:06 |
Xarver | Still, if it does happen, Google can become "the owner" of the Web | Aug 05 17:06 |
Xarver | which I don't like at all, one mega company controlling standards | Aug 05 17:06 |
Balrog | true, but it's likely they'll just release the codecs with royalty-free licensing | Aug 05 17:07 |
Xarver | or not | Aug 05 17:07 |
schestowitz | WHy would they do that? | Aug 05 17:08 |
schestowitz | Google is not a charity | Aug 05 17:08 |
Eruaran | its in their interests | Aug 05 17:08 |
Xarver | wow this channel is so interesting ^.^ | Aug 05 17:09 |
Eruaran | cant have key technologies whereby people can watch streaming video or whatever in the hands of proprietary corporations that are only going to frustrate further development of cool stuff that enables you to scoop up more advertising cream | Aug 05 17:10 |
Ng | schestowitz: because video on the web is stuck with flash until there's a universally supported standard | Aug 05 17:11 |
Ng | it's in google's interest to have one good codec which everything supports | Aug 05 17:12 |
Xarver | I hate flash. :( | Aug 05 17:12 |
Ng | $100m is a very cheap price for that | Aug 05 17:12 |
Eruaran | yes, Adobe sucks | Aug 05 17:12 |
Xarver | And Google could advertise the codec and make it universal, which is scary T_T | Aug 05 17:13 |
schestowitz | Ng: universal? | Aug 05 17:13 |
schestowitz | As in, patents? | Aug 05 17:13 |
schestowitz | Universal like Windows? | Aug 05 17:13 |
schestowitz | Or .doc? | Aug 05 17:13 |
Ng | schestowitz: as in deployed (and deployable) anywhere | Aug 05 17:13 |
schestowitz | Universal should mean no patents and some certiication | Aug 05 17:13 |
Balrog | schestowitz: Google is already committed to h.264, if you think that way | Aug 05 17:13 |
schestowitz | On2 is none of that | Aug 05 17:13 |
Ng | schestowitz: yet | Aug 05 17:13 |
schestowitz | Hey, why have choice at all? bring back Stalin. | Aug 05 17:13 |
schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Aug 05 17:14 |
Ng | schestowitz: people can have all the choice they want, but a universal common factor is kinda important | Aug 05 17:14 |
Eruaran | now that yahoo is microsofts latest sock puppet, they will push silverlie harder | Aug 05 17:14 |
schestowitz | Jumped the gun there with humoir :-p | Aug 05 17:14 |
Xarver | silverlight disgusts me | Aug 05 17:14 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: Silver Lie is dead in the water | Aug 05 17:14 |
schestowitz | It won't gain much any tme soon | Aug 05 17:14 |
schestowitz | I have not seen a single article about it in WEEKS | Aug 05 17:15 |
Xarver | Just microjumble trying to replace flash | Aug 05 17:15 |
schestowitz | Maybe I missed some | Aug 05 17:15 |
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Xarver | hello Omar87 | Aug 05 17:15 |
schestowitz | Silver Lie is like the other Popfly, which relates to it. Microsoft canned popfly | Aug 05 17:15 |
trmanco | Windows 7 Fail und Gratulation an KDE: http://linuxundich.de/de/ubuntu/windows-7-fail-und-gratulation-an-kde/ | Aug 05 17:15 |
Xarver | I don't like KDE actually :P | Aug 05 17:15 |
Xarver | and I don't know german | Aug 05 17:16 |
Xarver | KDE reminds me of windows | Aug 05 17:16 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Quotes_on_Free_Software | Aug 05 17:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A picture is worth a thousand words; http://ping.fm/7fdnw | Aug 05 17:17 | |
schestowitz | Just been instantiated | Aug 05 17:17 |
schestowitz | Xarver: Windows reminds me of KDE | Aug 05 17:18 |
Xarver | heh | Aug 05 17:18 |
ThistleWeb | speaking of KDE, I'd not really seen much of KDE4 until the recent demo ogv schestowitz posted, wow, it made me realise FOSS will win, it's only a matter of when | Aug 05 17:18 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 is still stealing from us *growl* | Aug 05 17:18 |
Xarver | I dislike Qt :( | Aug 05 17:18 |
schestowitz | You know what should happen next? KDE should sue Microsoft for stealing its IP from KDE4 | Aug 05 17:18 |
Balrog | Xarver: Qt is manageable | Aug 05 17:18 |
schestowitz | In VIsta 7 | Aug 05 17:18 |
Balrog | have you ever coded in it? | Aug 05 17:18 |
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ThistleWeb | if that's what FOSS can do, it's easily on par asthetically with even the golden child Apple, but hella more flexable | Aug 05 17:19 |
Omar871 | Xarver: Google Translate is a great tool. ;) | Aug 05 17:19 |
ThistleWeb | and themable | Aug 05 17:19 |
Xarver | yes, it's just it forces people to use opensource unless paid for | Aug 05 17:19 |
schestowitz | Qt is great. It looks good. | Aug 05 17:19 |
Xarver | which is ridiculous | Aug 05 17:19 |
Balrog | Xarver: no, Qt is LGPL | Aug 05 17:19 |
Balrog | from 4.5 on | Aug 05 17:19 |
Xarver | Not pyqt | Aug 05 17:19 |
Balrog | you probably weren't watching the news ;) | Aug 05 17:19 |
ThistleWeb | I went off kde 3 ages ago | Aug 05 17:19 |
ThistleWeb | but kde 4 is REAL nice | Aug 05 17:19 |
Balrog | I'm not talking about pyqt | Aug 05 17:19 |
Xarver | pyqt is still GPL, sadly | Aug 05 17:19 |
Xarver | Yes but that's what I wanted to program in | Aug 05 17:20 |
ThistleWeb | specially with compwiz | Aug 05 17:20 |
trmanco | what is "IP"? | Aug 05 17:20 |
Balrog | well PyQt isn't from Nokia/TrollTech ... so you can't complain | Aug 05 17:20 |
Xarver | and tried, but the user base is small because of the licensing | Aug 05 17:20 |
Omar871 | trmanco: Intellectual Property | Aug 05 17:20 |
trmanco | ah, thanks | Aug 05 17:20 |
ThistleWeb | Xarver: check this video >> http://a17.video2.blip.tv/1810001708907/Jospoortvliet-KDE43DesktopWorkspaceDemo820.ogv | Aug 05 17:21 |
trmanco | more clear now | Aug 05 17:21 |
Xarver | KDE should sue Micro$shit :P | Aug 05 17:21 |
Xarver | ThistleWeb, can't, I have a fedora 11 bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502289 | Aug 05 17:21 |
ThistleWeb | I played that fromt he position of not liking KDE, it blew me away | Aug 05 17:21 |
ThistleWeb | wget it | Aug 05 17:21 |
Balrog | buh, buggy intel drivers | Aug 05 17:22 |
Balrog | I heard about that :( | Aug 05 17:22 |
Xarver | :| | Aug 05 17:22 |
ThistleWeb | my lil PCcan't take kde4, but when I eventually get my new one, I can see mint kde4.3 being my DE of choice | Aug 05 17:22 |
ThistleWeb | specially after seeing that video | Aug 05 17:22 |
Xarver | My laptop doesn't have the best RAM, only 718.6mb | Aug 05 17:23 |
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schestowitz | "Open source means different things to different people. For some it means source-code access. For others it means giving up any intellectual property rights to code." http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr1999/nf90427d.htm | Aug 05 17:23 |
Xarver | and not the best graphics card | Aug 05 17:23 |
ThistleWeb | mine has 256 | Aug 05 17:23 |
Xarver | :( | Aug 05 17:23 |
ThistleWeb | I reckon your laptop should be fine with kde 4 | Aug 05 17:23 |
schestowitz | kde 4.1 worked well for me | Aug 05 17:24 |
ThistleWeb | the main reason mine cant is low ram | Aug 05 17:24 |
ThistleWeb | 512 will work fine | Aug 05 17:24 |
Xarver | old article schestowitz | Aug 05 17:24 |
Xarver | :P | Aug 05 17:24 |
ThistleWeb | 718 even better | Aug 05 17:24 |
Balrog | schestowitz: yes, old. But interesting anyway | Aug 05 17:24 |
Balrog | add it to the archive | Aug 05 17:24 |
schestowitz | Xarver: I know | Aug 05 17:25 |
schestowitz | I'm looking at old stuff | Aug 05 17:25 |
Xarver | Well I don't think fedora is best with KDE anyway, and I kind of like gnome :) | Aug 05 17:25 |
Xarver | ah ok | Aug 05 17:25 |
schestowitz | Microsoft hasn't changed its tune | Aug 05 17:25 |
ThistleWeb | fedore is a gnome distro | Aug 05 17:25 |
schestowitz | Very interesting to see what they said a decade ago. | Aug 05 17:25 |
thenixedreport | Here is where I'm confused. | Aug 05 17:25 |
thenixedreport | Miguel de Icaza has done wonderful things in the past. | Aug 05 17:25 |
thenixedreport | Like starting gnome. | Aug 05 17:26 |
Balrog | ThistleWeb: there's a KDE edition | Aug 05 17:26 |
thenixedreport | And gnumeric. | Aug 05 17:26 |
ThistleWeb | Balrog: true, but it's main DE is gnome, same as debian and ubuntu | Aug 05 17:26 |
thenixedreport | Why is he now doing something that truly is not productive? | Aug 05 17:26 |
ThistleWeb | the other DE's and WMs are always gonna get less attention with those distros | Aug 05 17:26 |
ThistleWeb | I try to pick a distro where their main DE or WM is one I want to use | Aug 05 17:27 |
Xarver | KDE is the king for opensuse, gnome sucks on it. | Aug 05 17:27 |
ThistleWeb | that way it gets the best dev love | Aug 05 17:27 |
Xarver | But no one here would want to use opensuse | Aug 05 17:27 |
schestowitz | "I find it hard to believe that some of the best computer scientists in the world will want to do their work for free." http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/exhibits/2111.pdf | Aug 05 17:27 |
Xarver | And I wouldn't | Aug 05 17:27 |
ThistleWeb | for kde maybe the best choices would be mandriva or pclinux | Aug 05 17:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme How to Debug PHP Using Firefox with FirePHP http://bit.ly/12C0ii | Aug 05 17:28 | |
schestowitz | thenixedreport: I heard he has second thoughts | Aug 05 17:29 |
schestowitz | But it's just something someone told me in comments | Aug 05 17:29 |
schestowitz | So not a confirmed thing, just a rumour | Aug 05 17:29 |
Xarver | ThistleWeb, mandriva looks interesting actually, what package manager does it use? | Aug 05 17:29 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: is the Mandriva man | Aug 05 17:30 |
ThistleWeb | he uses it | Aug 05 17:30 |
Balrog | schestowitz: http://web.archive.org/web/20010414010628/http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,1014079,00.html | Aug 05 17:30 |
Xarver | But I know of no one that uses it | Aug 05 17:30 |
ThistleWeb | it's been that long since I tried it | Aug 05 17:30 |
trmanco | :O | Aug 05 17:30 |
trmanco | http://www.flickr.com/photos/adacampos/3789381793/ | Aug 05 17:30 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz uses it | Aug 05 17:30 |
Xarver | oh | Aug 05 17:31 |
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Xarver | What was that trmanco? :) | Aug 05 17:31 |
trmanco | emacs shirt | Aug 05 17:32 |
trmanco | on a good looking female | Aug 05 17:32 |
*Xarver notices the lady >.> | Aug 05 17:32 | |
Xarver | :P | Aug 05 17:32 |
trmanco | :) | Aug 05 17:33 |
Xarver | schestowitz, is Mandriva any good? | Aug 05 17:33 |
ThistleWeb | mandriva have a lot of Drak apps | Aug 05 17:33 |
ThistleWeb | from it's mandrake days | Aug 05 17:33 |
ThistleWeb | I dunno if their package manager is a drak one | Aug 05 17:33 |
ThistleWeb | since it is the official bloodline of Mandrake | Aug 05 17:34 |
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ThistleWeb | Mandriva seemed to go downhill for a few releases but they're back on form again | Aug 05 17:34 |
ThistleWeb | judging by reviews I've seen | Aug 05 17:34 |
ThistleWeb | it was apparently the first dirsto to have a decent KDE4 | Aug 05 17:35 |
Xarver | is it good for deving? :P | Aug 05 17:36 |
ThistleWeb | dunno, I'd say yes | Aug 05 17:36 |
ThistleWeb | better yet, try it | Aug 05 17:36 |
ThistleWeb | see for yourself | Aug 05 17:36 |
ThistleWeb | I've grown out of kde3 and rpm, which is why I dont use it | Aug 05 17:37 |
ThistleWeb | that kde4.3 video looks awesome though | Aug 05 17:37 |
fewa | Google will not endlessly defend the web, they will endlessly defend their own interests | Aug 05 17:37 |
fewa | These things are not the same, although currently there is overlap | Aug 05 17:38 |
Xarver | but what I think is kind of sad is that Qt is ugly on gnome | Aug 05 17:38 |
ThistleWeb | there's qt3config | Aug 05 17:40 |
ThistleWeb | it lets you put a kinda decent looking gnome(ish) look on your qt apps | Aug 05 17:40 |
ThistleWeb | it's not great, but it's much better looking than the default | Aug 05 17:40 |
Xarver | Hey on the Qt LGPL license what's the difference over the commercial license? :P | Aug 05 17:41 |
ThistleWeb | if you use qt to make free software its free | Aug 05 17:41 |
schestowitz | Sys-Con Dumps Maureen O'Gara < http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050510114214525 > | Aug 05 17:41 |
ThistleWeb | if you use it to make closed source, you need to pay | Aug 05 17:41 |
schestowitz | Too bad she came back, eh? | Aug 05 17:41 |
Xarver | ok | Aug 05 17:41 |
schestowitz | Xarver: Mandrive is excellent | Aug 05 17:41 |
ThistleWeb | there;s more detail than that, but basicly that's it | Aug 05 17:41 |
Xarver | schestowitz, good packages such as pygame? Updated often? | Aug 05 17:42 |
schestowitz | Balrog: thanks for the linkl | Aug 05 17:43 |
schestowitz | Xarver: don't know about pygame | Aug 05 17:43 |
Xarver | check please? :) | Aug 05 17:44 |
ThistleWeb | I was gonna say you could add their ppa but that maybe a ubuntu / debian only thing | Aug 05 17:45 |
Xarver | wow never knew mandriva had more packages then fedora | Aug 05 17:46 |
ThistleWeb | mandriva is one of the linux grandees | Aug 05 17:47 |
ThistleWeb | along with debian, redhat and slackware | Aug 05 17:49 |
ThistleWeb | brb | Aug 05 17:50 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Lucros da Galp caem 53% no primeiro semestre: http://u.nu/98fr Vamos lá ver a os Srs.Galp param de praticar preços injustos | Aug 05 17:51 | |
schestowitz | Xarver: sure, hold on | Aug 05 17:52 |
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schestowitz | Xarver: yes, it's here on 2008.1 repo | Aug 05 17:53 |
schestowitz | pygame - Python module for interfacing with the SDL multimedia library | Aug 05 17:53 |
schestowitz | pygame is a Python wrapper module for the SDL multimedia library, written by Pete Shinners. It contains python functions and classes that will allow you to use SDL's support for playing cdroms, audio and video output, and keyboard, mouse and joystick input. pygame also includes support for the Numerical Python extension. pygame is the successor to the pySDL wrapper project, written by Mark Baker. | Aug 05 17:53 |
schestowitz | Install pygame if you would like to write or play SDL games written in the python language. | Aug 05 17:53 |
Xarver | version? :) | Aug 05 17:53 |
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schestowitz | 1.7.1 | Aug 05 17:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Os lucros ainda deviam era cair mais 45% | Aug 05 17:53 | |
Xarver | ah well it must be later for 2009.1 | Aug 05 17:53 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 05 17:53 |
Xarver | why not upgrade? | Aug 05 17:53 |
schestowitz | I get mostly security fixes | Aug 05 17:53 |
schestowitz | It's still in support (1.5 yrs iirc) | Aug 05 17:54 |
schestowitz | Then I'll make the move to kde4 permanent | Aug 05 17:54 |
Xarver | but why not upgrade? :P | Aug 05 17:54 |
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schestowitz | Xarver: laziness | Aug 05 17:55 |
Xarver | :P | Aug 05 17:55 |
schestowitz | KDE 4.3 is released http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1496279/kde-released | Aug 05 17:58 |
schestowitz | Latvian botnet host canned < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1496304/latvian-botnet-host-canned > | Aug 05 17:59 |
Xarver | schestowitz, I'm switching to mandriva I think :P | Aug 05 17:59 |
Xarver | does mandriva 2009.1 use kde4.3 | Aug 05 18:00 |
Xarver | and the name mandrake sounds cooler :P | Aug 05 18:01 |
Xarver | burning | Aug 05 18:02 |
Xarver | got to back up my data and put on USB now :| | Aug 05 18:03 |
schestowitz | No | Aug 05 18:03 |
schestowitz | kde 4.2.2 iirc | Aug 05 18:03 |
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schestowitz | You can also use Pardus or PCLinuxOS | Aug 05 18:03 |
schestowitz | They are based on Mandriva and have more stuff | Aug 05 18:03 |
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trmanco | schestowitz, http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/04/video-demo-kde-4-3/ | Aug 05 18:07 |
trmanco | embed off needs limits | Aug 05 18:07 |
trmanco | ogg* | Aug 05 18:07 |
schestowitz | MS; “Apple takes an integrated approach to the PC experience and has made inroads in share, particularly in the US and in the consumer segment." | Aug 05 18:08 |
schestowitz | Emphasis on "US" | Aug 05 18:08 |
trmanco | put in some width and height properties | Aug 05 18:08 |
schestowitz | Apple is small in othr countries | Aug 05 18:08 |
schestowitz | trmanco: ah, OK | Aug 05 18:08 |
schestowitz | trmanco: try now | Aug 05 18:09 |
ThistleWeb | apple target the wealthy who will pay for the brand, they have no chance in countries where it's peeps don't have a lot of money to throw around | Aug 05 18:10 |
trmanco | something is not right | Aug 05 18:10 |
ThistleWeb | they logo has, but on fakes | Aug 05 18:10 |
trmanco | schestowitz, put it in the video tag | Aug 05 18:11 |
trmanco | not in the <p | Aug 05 18:11 |
schestowitz | Yikes. http://browsershots.org/screenshots/cb2cc29e382a60b65796138c30ef7652/ | Aug 05 18:12 |
schestowitz | Oops. | Aug 05 18:12 |
schestowitz | Haha. | Aug 05 18:13 |
schestowitz | Yes, in video. I wasn't paying attention | Aug 05 18:13 |
trmanco | schestowitz, good now | Aug 05 18:13 |
trmanco | :-) | Aug 05 18:13 |
schestowitz | I'll upgrade to 3.5 later | Aug 05 18:14 |
trmanco | ok | Aug 05 18:14 |
schestowitz | Image spam: the threat returns http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/05/email_management_image_spam/ | Aug 05 18:14 |
Xarver | Ok guys, going to install Mandriva. (at least try it on the livecd) | Aug 05 18:15 |
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schestowitz | Notel broken to bits and sold away http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/05/nortel_sale_enterprise/ | Aug 05 18:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microhoo deal has a Google escape clause < http://ping.fm/vz9fb > People tend to forget that Microsoft hired an AstroTurfing group calle ... | Aug 05 18:19 | |
schestowitz | On2 is final according to the MSBBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8185910.stm | Aug 05 18:19 |
schestowitz | *os2 acquisition by Google | Aug 05 18:20 |
schestowitz | US struggling to find cyber-tsar < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8185699.stm > Maybe nobody is able to deal with Windows botnets properly? | Aug 05 18:21 |
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schestowitz | Twitter, WordPress, Ning & GoDaddy All Sued In Mistargeted Lawsuit Over Defamation < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090804/1550405772.shtml > | Aug 05 18:36 |
schestowitz | Ewww........http://techdirt.com/articles/20090804/0152055765.shtml "Perhaps. Ian alerted us to the fact that the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC) is looking to hire people on the PR side, and one of the things they're asking for (even before a resume) is a link to your Slashdot profile (or other similar "comment histories"). Who knew all those "first!" posts could be worth something...?" | Aug 05 18:37 |
ThistleWeb | I wonder if the struggle to find a cyber-tzar is like looking for a new Captain of the Titanic, while the peeps who make the decisions are insisting that the Titanic is the best vessel for the job, ignoring the rapidly increasing water line | Aug 05 18:38 |
ThistleWeb | that the peeps who have been considered saw it for what it is, regardless of Microsoft's smooth words | Aug 05 18:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/about/opportunities/mediarelations/ | Aug 05 18:38 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: DHS is already plagued by Microsoft | Aug 05 18:39 |
ThistleWeb | I wonder if the peeps who would do the job refused because they'd be stuck with an imovable object known as MS | Aug 05 18:40 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/15/govt-not-engineered-for-security/ | Aug 05 18:40 |
ThistleWeb | that part of the equation was written in stone | Aug 05 18:40 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/01/janet-napolitano-on-ddos/ | Aug 05 18:40 |
ThistleWeb | change anything you want, but build it on windows | Aug 05 18:40 |
schestowitz | WIndows is the most secure | Aug 05 18:41 |
schestowitz | --says Microsoft | Aug 05 18:41 |
ThistleWeb | no point in trying to build a shield with a paper base | Aug 05 18:41 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: did you see this article? >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/04/file-soup-sharing-tv-movies | Aug 05 18:43 |
ThistleWeb | comments are good | Aug 05 18:43 |
schestowitz | Microsoft-Yahoo Deal Full Of Termination Clauses http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/05/microsoft-yahoo-deal-full-of-termination-clauses | Aug 05 18:49 |
schestowitz | What happens if they terminate though? | Aug 05 18:49 |
schestowitz | If Yahoo! buries its search engine anyway.. | Aug 05 18:49 |
trmanco | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/08/05/windows-7-rtm-contains-a-rather-nasty-chkdsk-bug | Aug 05 18:49 |
trmanco | hey look | Aug 05 18:49 |
trmanco | bug free windows (!) | Aug 05 18:49 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I put a link to this earlier: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/05/filesoup_arrest/ | Aug 05 18:49 |
trmanco | chdisk eating more than 2 gb of ram | Aug 05 18:49 |
schestowitz | Hhee. | Aug 05 18:49 |
schestowitz | Haha | Aug 05 18:50 |
schestowitz | I told you. Vista ME | Aug 05 18:50 |
trmanco | looks like it's still in alpha stage | Aug 05 18:50 |
trmanco | better delay it to 2010 | Aug 05 18:51 |
ThistleWeb | k | Aug 05 18:51 |
schestowitz | If Vista 7 is delayed, then Ubuntu 9.10 will be delivered in peace | Aug 05 18:51 |
schestowitz | trmanco: 2010 was the pla | Aug 05 18:51 |
schestowitz | *plan | Aug 05 18:51 |
schestowitz | But their revenue is sinking | Aug 05 18:52 |
schestowitz | They have VISTA | Aug 05 18:52 |
ThistleWeb | maybe yahoo have their pirate-plan in operation, the assumption being that gold is buried, so the more they bury stuff, the more gold they'll find | Aug 05 18:52 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: "nice try with the trolling: 4/10, as I did have a few lulz" | Aug 05 18:53 |
schestowitz | How old are Guardian readers, 14? ;-) | Aug 05 18:53 |
ThistleWeb | lol, dunno | Aug 05 18:53 |
ThistleWeb | I liked the 5 comment stuff on FACT | Aug 05 18:54 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: or maybe Baatzer just doesn'tm care | Aug 05 18:54 |
trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-7-Copies-Selling-Slower-than-Mac-OS-X-10-6-on-Amazon-118458.shtml | Aug 05 18:54 |
schestowitz | She'll catch the next plane to Acapulco with Ballmer and McBride | Aug 05 18:54 |
ThistleWeb | yahoo are dead and just dont know it | Aug 05 18:55 |
schestowitz | trmanco: Vista 7 does not exist | Aug 05 18:55 |
schestowitz | It's just something with preorders | Aug 05 18:55 |
ThistleWeb | maybe she recognises that and is getting what she can for the yahoo shareolders from MS | Aug 05 18:55 |
ThistleWeb | get it while you can | Aug 05 18:55 |
schestowitz | Microsoft bullied Yahoo and put cronies in it | Aug 05 18:55 |
schestowitz | Microsoft should be taken down by the government | Aug 05 18:55 |
schestowitz | To destory companies is no use | Aug 05 18:56 |
schestowitz | And I have a post coming on CAGW | Aug 05 18:56 |
fewa_ | the defective company taking down a perfectly legitimate business | Aug 05 18:56 |
schestowitz | The Microsoft fronts are attacking Google | Aug 05 18:56 |
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schestowitz | This time CAGW isn't writing letters on behalf of dead people though | Aug 05 18:56 |
ThistleWeb | the MS takeover tactic does bear a remarkable similarity to how cancer cells grow and take over other healthy cells | Aug 05 18:56 |
ThistleWeb | it's no wonder Ballmer thought of "cancer" as a business thing | Aug 05 18:56 |
fewa | ThistleWeb, melonoma | Aug 05 18:57 |
trmanco | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=linux_s_user_interface_puts_ms_windows_t&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Aug 05 18:58 |
schestowitz | http://www.cptech.org/ms/nader-doj01282002.html | Aug 05 18:58 |
schestowitz | *LOL* Macasay writes about Net Apps garbage and ignores (conveniently) what they did to Mac OS: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10303644-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad | Aug 05 19:02 |
schestowitz | When will people just abolish data from liehouses? | Aug 05 19:02 |
ThistleWeb | OMG I just found a funky backup command on penguinpetes blog | Aug 05 19:03 |
ThistleWeb | I always thought it should be possible to move the pointer with the keyboard | Aug 05 19:03 |
ThistleWeb | if you needed to, but never knew how | Aug 05 19:03 |
ThistleWeb | ctrl+alt+numlock | Aug 05 19:04 |
ThistleWeb | then the keypad arrows 2, 4, 6, 8 do it | Aug 05 19:04 |
ThistleWeb | funky or what? | Aug 05 19:04 |
ThistleWeb | then ctrl+alt+numlock to return it back to it's job as a keypad | Aug 05 19:04 |
ThistleWeb | I could have used that on the odd occasion I'm fighting with an old broken mouse at someones house, and there's NOTHING else | Aug 05 19:05 |
ThistleWeb | it'd be handier if it mapped to the arrow buttons, but it works, which is the important thing | Aug 05 19:06 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @denny Irritated by the Daily Mail? @chris_coltrane has created @polljack to correct their polls. A glorious cause. Please retweet! | Aug 05 19:30 | |
MinceR | http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/60000/3000/300/63345/63345.strip.gif | Aug 05 19:31 |
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Balrog | schestowitz: why doesn't twitter.com/boycottnovell ever tweet anything? | Aug 05 19:38 |
fewa | MinceR, lawl | Aug 05 19:39 |
I think I've got a triad. | Aug 05 19:40 | |
fewa | ive been impeded | Aug 05 19:40 |
Balrog | ...? | Aug 05 19:40 |
Three things that need to be suspended for M$ to survive: | Aug 05 19:40 | |
Law, free market and disbelief | Aug 05 19:40 | |
M$ basically violates all three on a regular basis | Aug 05 19:41 | |
Judge Jackson noticed the law thing. There's plenty of court records about how they bully OEMs, vendors and service providers. Finally, they have to lie constantly to keep you from noticing these activities and their software's obvious problems. | Aug 05 19:43 | |
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24 minute Vista. The time it takes to wipe Windows with GNU/Linux. | Aug 05 19:45 | |
schestowitz | Balrog: it's an aggregator of a friends list for twotfolk to use | Aug 05 19:45 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft blames open source for revenue fall http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26746/1231/ | Aug 05 19:47 |
schestowitz | Is this another sys-con site? http://www.cmcrossroads.com/content/view/13162/120/ | Aug 05 19:54 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=site%3Awww.cmcrossroads.com&aq=f&oq=&aqi= http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.cmcrossroads.com+sys-con&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Aug 05 19:55 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My view on Linus Torvalds’ statement http://ping.fm/bj5i6 | Aug 05 19:59 | |
schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/999_signs.jpg | Aug 05 20:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Solar Forest Keeps Cars Cool And Juiced http://ping.fm/O20gO It probably takes more energy to produce than those panels will ever produce. | Aug 05 20:05 | |
schestowitz | Malware, oversharing lead Marines to ban social networks < http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/08/malware-oversharing-lead-marines-to-ban-social-networks.ars > | Aug 05 20:06 |
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fewa | schestowitz, thats a actually logical one | Aug 05 20:06 |
fewa | ive seen "2 for $5, was 2.49" | Aug 05 20:06 |
fewa | *rational, not logical | Aug 05 20:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "...Erik Prince, may have murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals [...]" http://ping.fm/CLzy4 | Aug 05 20:07 | |
schestowitz | "A Chinese teenager sent to an internet addiction rehabilitation camp has allegedly been beaten to death by its counsellors, according to reports." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8185412.stm | Aug 05 20:08 |
ThistleWeb | I wonder if he was trying a bit to hard to publish a blog about abusive state run institutions | Aug 05 20:10 |
schestowitz | Here is FraudStreet's cash cow in daytime (not just at night when it's sleeping): http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-bull-artist-sues-author-of-lehman-brothers-book-2009-7 | Aug 05 20:11 |
fewa | schestowitz, there are better sources for that http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2009-08/453958.html http://blogs.wsj.com/chinajournal/2009/08/04/when-internet-addiction-turns-deadly/ | Aug 05 20:11 |
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fewa | lawl http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=18385 | Aug 05 20:18 |
amd-linux | so not only the linux version affected but also the windows version? cool.... | Aug 05 20:22 |
fewa | no linux only | Aug 05 20:23 |
amd-linux | but isnt chromium developed via launchpad? | Aug 05 20:23 |
amd-linux | just wondering why bugs are reported to google? | Aug 05 20:23 |
amd-linux | btw i am using exactly THIS version with the guys face of chromium as I write :-) | Aug 05 20:24 |
fewa | really | Aug 05 20:24 |
fewa | i fallow daily builds and havnt seen it | Aug 05 20:24 |
amd-linux | I like it - not a bug, a unique feature | Aug 05 20:25 |
fewa | maybe i wasn't paying attention :P | Aug 05 20:25 |
amd-linux | i have yesterdays build | Aug 05 20:25 |
amd-linux | not updated today yet | Aug 05 20:25 |
fewa | hmm guess im still running sundays or somethings | Aug 05 20:25 |
amd-linux | but chromium, BTW, looks extremely promising | Aug 05 20:25 |
amd-linux | i think i will use it instead of FF as soon as flash plugin works without manual interaction | Aug 05 20:26 |
amd-linux | it is slim as FF was intended to be | Aug 05 20:26 |
fewa | I wont | Aug 05 20:26 |
fewa | It doesn't give me control over my experience | Aug 05 20:26 |
tacone | uhm. BN is a corporate shill. source: someone :-) http://mono-nono.com/2009/08/04/is-the-mono-war-unproductive/comment-page-1/#comment-944 | Aug 05 20:26 |
schestowitz | Yes, Roy Corporation | Aug 05 20:27 |
fewa | this is a corporate shill http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/bonner-forgery/ | Aug 05 20:27 |
tacone | ahahaha | Aug 05 20:27 |
schestowitz | "Sounds to me like BN is the corporate shill in this scenario." C.J. Adams-Collier (cj) | Aug 05 20:27 |
tacone | look the author of the comment | Aug 05 20:27 |
schestowitz | OK, time to clean up | Aug 05 20:27 |
tacone | he has some genius | Aug 05 20:28 |
tacone | i have to admit | Aug 05 20:28 |
>ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Aug 05 20:28 | |
-ChanServ-You are not authorized to perform this operation. | Aug 05 20:28 | |
*#boycottnovell :You need to be a channel operator to do that | Aug 05 20:28 | |
*#boycottnovell :You need to be a channel operator to do that | Aug 05 20:28 | |
schestowitz | I'm not retracting this ban, either | Aug 05 20:28 |
schestowitz | He has done this systematically for over a year, even when Microsoft paid him | Aug 05 20:28 |
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tacone | eheheh | Aug 05 20:29 |
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schestowitz | How to Set Special Window Settings with KWin < http://maketecheasier.com/set-special-window-settings-with-kwin/2009/08/03 > | Aug 05 20:35 |
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Xarver | Hello | Aug 05 20:43 |
Xarver | schestowitz: I installed Mandriva. I love it! | Aug 05 20:43 |
schestowitz | Cool! | Aug 05 20:43 |
schestowitz | My brother has just done that too | Aug 05 20:43 |
schestowitz | http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2009/08/04/mozilla-store-vendor-security-breach/ | Aug 05 20:43 |
schestowitz | Yikes | Aug 05 20:44 |
Xarver | And 2010 is coming out in november | Aug 05 20:44 |
Xarver | that is yikes schestowitz :o | Aug 05 20:44 |
fewa | woah http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Student-Invents-Bicycle-Which-Folds-Into-26-Inch-Wheel-Circumference-For-James-Dyson-Prize/Article/200908115353249?lpos=UK_News_First_Home_Page_Feature_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15353249_Student_Invents_Bicycle_Which_Folds_Into_26-Inch_Wheel_Cir | Aug 05 20:46 |
fewa | ahh geeze what a long url | Aug 05 20:46 |
amd-linux | nice, but still to big for the crowded Tokyo tube | Aug 05 20:47 |
Xarver | Wow fewa | Aug 05 20:47 |
Xarver | btw try to use is.gd next time | Aug 05 20:47 |
Xarver | or something of the like | Aug 05 20:47 |
schestowitz | Xarver: I thought Ovtober | Aug 05 20:47 |
fewa | is.gd creates bitrot | Aug 05 20:48 |
Xarver | schestowitz: It said November when it took me to the news | Aug 05 20:48 |
schestowitz | tinyurl | Aug 05 20:48 |
fewa | in reality the whole resource should come with the listing | Aug 05 20:48 |
Xarver | tinyurl is not bad | Aug 05 20:48 |
fewa | in a flexible tree form | Aug 05 20:48 |
schestowitz | Well, it's long-standing | Aug 05 20:48 |
fewa | so that one provider cannot collapse the content | Aug 05 20:48 |
schestowitz | I hate short URLs | Aug 05 20:48 |
schestowitz | I stopped trying to convince people to keep both | Aug 05 20:49 |
fewa | then the site can go offlince, no url shortener | Aug 05 20:49 |
amd-linux | short urls are kind of dangerous..... | Aug 05 20:49 |
schestowitz | If short url is use, accompany with full url for archive.org | Aug 05 20:49 |
schestowitz | Article title might help | Aug 05 20:49 |
schestowitz | Help to salvage traces | Aug 05 20:49 |
fewa | One more reason why wave looked so awesome | Aug 05 20:49 |
schestowitz | Here's an idea: ;;-) | Aug 05 20:50 |
schestowitz | Archive.org for tinyurl | Aug 05 20:50 |
schestowitz | Go an harvest those URLs in case the service collapses one day ;-) | Aug 05 20:50 |
fewa | that only works if you go to every one | Aug 05 20:50 |
schestowitz | fewa: yes, we got time :-) | Aug 05 20:50 |
fewa | and you have to know what keys exist to get their values | Aug 05 20:50 |
amd-linux | an example how risky a short url can be: http://www.lawblog.de/index.php/archives/2009/07/23/so-kanns-gehen-2/ | Aug 05 20:50 |
schestowitz | Systematiclly. | Aug 05 20:50 |
schestowitz | Starting with 5 chars (old one) | Aug 05 20:51 |
schestowitz | aaaaa | Aug 05 20:51 |
amd-linux | link is safe but dont klick on the | Aug 05 20:51 |
amd-linux | link inside | Aug 05 20:51 |
schestowitz | aaaaab | Aug 05 20:51 |
fewa | on tinyurl this is systematic, but other providers do it randomly | Aug 05 20:51 |
fewa | or more randomly | Aug 05 20:51 |
schestowitz | Link harvsters | Aug 05 20:51 |
schestowitz | Hey, how about this..? | Aug 05 20:51 |
schestowitz | As a business model they could do extortion | Aug 05 20:51 |
fewa | web is a poor API definer | Aug 05 20:51 |
schestowitz | Pay us $`1 per link | Aug 05 20:51 |
fewa | as the namespace is to deterministic | Aug 05 20:52 |
schestowitz | 5 years after they start requiring access | Aug 05 20:52 |
fewa | thats why you should use a free service | Aug 05 20:52 |
fewa | and in freedom | Aug 05 20:52 |
schestowitz | And then people will get kicked in the arse for giving the company this mediation power | Aug 05 20:52 |
fewa | one that publisher its database | Aug 05 20:52 |
fewa | such as the ones on identi.ca | Aug 05 20:52 |
fewa | but in a more logical way, and rational, these links should be described in your own namespace | Aug 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | amd-linux: that's the other thing | Aug 05 20:53 |
fewa | not someone elses | Aug 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | Depending on whose click I link on I dread clicking on those things | Aug 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | Worse than clicking in some 4chan BS | Aug 05 20:53 |
fewa | and ping.fm is doubly horrible cause they use <meta> | Aug 05 20:54 |
fewa | pretty soon they will use javascript and document.location.href= | Aug 05 20:54 |
fewa | and then they will obfusciate the javascript | Aug 05 20:54 |
schestowitz | http://tinyurl.com/6b23lt << --- DON"T CLICK!!!!!!!1111 | Aug 05 20:54 |
balzac | -_^ | Aug 05 20:55 |
*MinceR doesn't click | Aug 05 20:55 | |
fewa | {http://tinyurl.com/6b23lt, http://tinyurl.com/6b23lt } | Aug 05 20:56 |
fewa | wait its a hash | Aug 05 20:56 |
fewa | {http://tinyurl.com/6b23lt: http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/cute-puppy-pictures-outside-needs-hug.jpg } | Aug 05 20:56 |
schestowitz | Install KDE 4.3 In Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 < http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/08/install-kde-43-in-ubuntu-jaunty-904.html > | Aug 05 21:00 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2009/08/04/friends-of-gnome-update-4/ "In the month of June we raised $1,530, for a total of $20,483 since January 1, 2009." | Aug 05 21:01 |
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schestowitz | Users are not the lusers you think they are. < http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/users-are-not-the-lusers-you-think-they-are-33263 > | Aug 05 21:04 |
schestowitz | PHP 5.3 Not In Next Version Of Ubuntu < http://www.brandonsavage.net/php-5-3-not-in-next-version-of-ubuntu/ > | Aug 05 21:08 |
schestowitz | Rantberger: http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/08/04/are-tiny-fonts-the-new-black-why/ | Aug 05 21:12 |
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schestowitz | 9 o'clock, time for the news...:-D | Aug 05 21:24 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nice picture (article too): http://ping.fm/XgeBr | Aug 05 21:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why GNU/Linux GUIs Advanced Beyond Competition's http://ping.fm/rldgl | Aug 05 21:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Lesser-Known Education GNU/Linux Distribution http://ping.fm/Zs1iE | Aug 05 21:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tiny Core Linux Version 2.2 is Released http://ping.fm/v2JlB | Aug 05 21:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Runs Development Initiatives, Awards, and Scholarships http://ping.fm/uAva0 http://ping.fm/ipiyl News/2462377/ http://ping.fm/ ... | Aug 05 21:40 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Review of SimplyMepis 8.0 http://ping.fm/NBfws | Aug 05 21:41 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Mint 7 Reviewed http://ping.fm/parbi and Mark Shuttleworth Speaks About Ubuntu Collaboration http://ping.fm/O3M6L | Aug 05 21:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Phones from Google Target the Enterprise Space http://ping.fm/o4OZG | Aug 05 21:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This Year's Software Freedom Day is Coming, SFLC Releases New Audiocast http://ping.fm/xl8O2 | Aug 05 21:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Testing, trmanco Tony Testing @trmanco | Aug 05 21:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Apple morality police censors dictionary http://bit.ly/LmwXW | Aug 05 21:56 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] testing again trmanco: | Aug 05 21:58 | |
wallclimber | Shuttleworth: "Here, we are talking about elevating that to something that the world has never seen in proprietary software (and never will) - an entire industry collaborating." (Sounds like a man with a vision...) | Aug 05 22:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] E-Books under Fire for Misuse of Power Using DRM http://ping.fm/sG2z5 GPLv3-licensed Program to to the Rescue http://ping.fm/ZMeGh | Aug 05 22:00 | |
wallclimber | is that sort of collaboration really possible? | Aug 05 22:01 |
schestowitz | Yes, why not? | Aug 05 22:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MAFIAA Tries to Tax Its Competition Out of Existence with Senate's Help http://ping.fm/QLTg1 | Aug 05 22:01 | |
schestowitz | Space programs work like this in a way | Aug 05 22:01 |
wallclimber | it would certainly be nice if it works | Aug 05 22:02 |
schestowitz | But sharing is probably poor with the Russian ('Soviets') and other 'Reds' like China | Aug 05 22:02 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: Ballmer's doctrine calls it communism | Aug 05 22:02 |
schestowitz | Space communism *lol* | Aug 05 22:02 |
schestowitz | Not colonialism | Aug 05 22:02 |
wallclimber | ballmer...yuck | Aug 05 22:02 |
wallclimber | shuttleworth always seems so calm and logical | Aug 05 22:03 |
wallclimber | i sometimes wonder if he's really just a good actor | Aug 05 22:03 |
wallclimber | i have mixed feelings about ubuntu, but i really think it's an amazing project too | Aug 05 22:04 |
wallclimber | anyway, just wanted to let you know i got the last exhibit you sent...will work on it tonight | Aug 05 22:06 |
schestowitz | Mark is nice | Aug 05 22:06 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: thanks | Aug 05 22:06 |
wallclimber | i'm glad to hear it | Aug 05 22:06 |
schestowitz | They profile journos | Aug 05 22:06 |
schestowitz | What some people accused BN of doing | Aug 05 22:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Intellectual Monopolies Fail(R) http://ping.fm/CkfJd http://ping.fm/idoQP http://ping.fm/Ppj2y http://ping.fm/412en | Aug 05 22:06 | |
schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't just rely W-E for dossiers | Aug 05 22:06 |
schestowitz | It eavesdrops on journos and marks 'good' and 'bad' | Aug 05 22:06 |
schestowitz | But W-E is in that discussion, so the sheet could be from W-E | Aug 05 22:07 |
wallclimber | i hope the FTC really does investigate them | Aug 05 22:07 |
schestowitz | They sent me a leter | Aug 05 22:08 |
schestowitz | I uploaded the letter PDF | Aug 05 22:08 |
schestowitz | Other people will file more detailed complaints (I was too impatient for it | Aug 05 22:08 |
wallclimber | well you got their attention, so they'll notice when they get more complaints...it has to start somewhere | Aug 05 22:09 |
wallclimber | so, i wonder how many FTC people are ex-microsoft employees | Aug 05 22:09 |
wallclimber | j/k | Aug 05 22:09 |
wallclimber | it just seems like softies have infiltrated the whole world | Aug 05 22:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cracks in Apple's Reputation http://ping.fm/nKmRk | Aug 05 22:10 | |
schestowitz | Yes, they track them | Aug 05 22:10 |
schestowitz | And they don't respond unless there's a deluge | Aug 05 22:10 |
schestowitz | Dough nuts are easier | Aug 05 22:10 |
wallclimber | lol...dough nuts? | Aug 05 22:11 |
schestowitz | I envision the FTC as some office in the 50th floor of some buiding with pieces of paper all over the floor | Aug 05 22:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple is Abusive, Palm Claims http://ping.fm/DoNLE | Aug 05 22:11 | |
schestowitz | The Linux Foundation is something similar, but in Portland the buildings are not so high, AFAIK | Aug 05 22:11 |
wallclimber | heh, you just described my studio | Aug 05 22:12 |
schestowitz | wallclimber:if the scandal was about a company raising the cost of dough nuts, the FTC guys would go Rambo on them | Aug 05 22:12 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: the cops would get there first | Aug 05 22:12 |
ThistleWeb | can't take away the cop-fuel | Aug 05 22:12 |
ThistleWeb | without paying the price of a nightstick love tap on the noggin | Aug 05 22:13 |
ThistleWeb | I sometimes reckon US cop cars should have lil spikes on the dashboard for them to stack their doughnuts, like a CD spindle when the action starts and they have to move | Aug 05 22:14 |
schestowitz | That's why they put suspects at the back seat | Aug 05 22:14 |
ThistleWeb | can't reach the dougnuts | Aug 05 22:14 |
schestowitz | The greasy bog 'o doughnuts is on the seat near the driver | Aug 05 22:14 |
schestowitz | *bag | Aug 05 22:15 |
wallclimber | you guys are making me laugh | Aug 05 22:15 |
schestowitz | Tasers are misused to drive away people who almost seat on the bag | Aug 05 22:15 |
*ThistleWeb whistles | Aug 05 22:15 | |
wallclimber | love the cd spindle for the dough nuts | Aug 05 22:15 |
schestowitz | It's a CD tray | Aug 05 22:15 |
schestowitz | Cup holder | Aug 05 22:15 |
ThistleWeb | the CD tray is for the coffee | Aug 05 22:15 |
schestowitz | It has an 'eject' button | Aug 05 22:16 |
schestowitz | Some people really called support cause these cup holders didn't work | Aug 05 22:16 |
ThistleWeb | yeah lol | Aug 05 22:16 |
schestowitz | Probably squashed the drink unexpectedly op reboot | Aug 05 22:16 |
ThistleWeb | I suppose a dashboard strapon would also have conveyed the same mental image | Aug 05 22:17 |
ThistleWeb | I wonder if nightsticks were designed to be the exact diameter of the hole in a donut | Aug 05 22:18 |
ThistleWeb | given the strength of the cop-donut linkage you have to wonder | Aug 05 22:18 |
ThistleWeb | sorry, carry on with the point | Aug 05 22:19 |
wallclimber | there was a point? | Aug 05 22:19 |
wallclimber | lol | Aug 05 22:19 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive Vista 7 Bug (RTM) Could Delay Production? http://ping.fm/c5vDR | Aug 05 22:19 | |
ThistleWeb | not counting the end of the nightstick | Aug 05 22:19 |
ThistleWeb | thats a kinda rounded point | Aug 05 22:19 |
wallclimber | ok, everybody is looking at me like i'm crazy...sitting here laughing at the computer screen | Aug 05 22:20 |
ThistleWeb | ya know RTM keeps saying "return to manufacturer" to me | Aug 05 22:20 |
ThistleWeb | maybe it's apt for Windows | Aug 05 22:20 |
wallclimber | i better get back to work | Aug 05 22:20 |
wallclimber | take care all | Aug 05 22:20 |
ThistleWeb | lol have fun wallclimber | Aug 05 22:20 |
wallclimber | :) | Aug 05 22:20 |
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schestowitz | She helps with Comes, ThistleWeb | Aug 05 22:22 |
ThistleWeb | I know | Aug 05 22:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OpenDocument (ODF) Version 1.2 is Approved http://ping.fm/StVy3 | Aug 05 22:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Serif PagePlus Adds ODF Support http://ping.fm/zff5Q | Aug 05 22:26 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: More women binge drinking real ale http://bit.ly/nANal | Aug 05 22:35 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz won't delay win7 a second. they'll do an update later on. you watch. | Aug 05 22:38 | |
tacone | Sp1: that's 'cause our ecosysteeeemm | Aug 05 22:39 |
MinceR | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzQzMw | Aug 05 22:40 |
MinceR | i lol'd | Aug 05 22:40 |
ThistleWeb | they'll want windows 7 everywhere in time for christmas | Aug 05 22:40 |
ThistleWeb | where all xp netbooks will be "out of stock" gathering dust in the stock room | Aug 05 22:41 |
ThistleWeb | only the more expensive windows 7 ones will be in stock | Aug 05 22:41 |
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schestowitz | Leo Laporte says yuck about Mono ... http://twit.tv/floss70 | Aug 05 22:53 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard so Vista 7 is just like Vista all over again | Aug 05 22:54 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: Duke Nukem Forever too | Aug 05 22:54 |
MinceR | DNF is more likely | Aug 05 22:55 |
ThistleWeb | did not finish? | Aug 05 22:56 |
schestowitz | DNF _for Linux_ is /equally_ likely | Aug 05 22:56 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yeah... or Duke Nukem Forever | Aug 05 22:56 |
tacone | lol | Aug 05 22:56 |
schestowitz | Duke Never Farts | Aug 05 22:56 |
MinceR | not sure about that | Aug 05 22:57 |
MinceR | do the DNF developers have an xbox release? :> | Aug 05 22:57 |
schestowitz | They're both fried | Aug 05 22:58 |
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schestowitz | Let's see how many posts I can do before getting tired... | Aug 05 23:01 |
ThistleWeb | DNFA = do not fall asleep | Aug 05 23:05 |
ThistleWeb | Freddie will get ya | Aug 05 23:05 |
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schestowitz | ThistleWeb: ninjas | Aug 05 23:24 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 05 23:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple Still Abuses Linux-based Phones, Formal Complaint Filed http://ping.fm/WOsE2 | Aug 05 23:30 | |
_goblin | ah.....bonjour all.... | Aug 05 23:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz and every windows ever | Aug 05 23:35 | |
Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/ShgrDQEWhy8/XML-Library-Flaw-mdash-Sun-Apache-GNOME-Affected | Aug 05 23:35 |
Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/AoAW-XHirPM/Google-Acquiring-VP3-Developer-On2-Technologies | Aug 05 23:37 |
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schestowitz | Diablo-D3: no, Google innovated On2 | Aug 05 23:59 |
schestowitz | That's how GOogle 'innovates' most things | Aug 05 23:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So I'm back from work...Comp.os.linux advocacy is probably the first stop...still haven't solved the mystery of "the face on Chromium" | Aug 05 23:59 |
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