oiaohm | Just not enough applications support it | Aug 14 00:00 |
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DaemonFC | mysql is a dead elephany | Aug 14 00:00 |
DaemonFC | *elephant | Aug 14 00:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] shit going down for #scientology https://twitter.com/xenijardin family, nurse, security, journalists ... | Aug 14 00:00 | |
oiaohm | mysql is fine on Linux Solarias.... Basically everything bar windows DaemonFC | Aug 14 00:00 |
oiaohm | Once its installed mysql will work perfectly. | Aug 14 00:01 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, reminds me of that Family Guy flashback | Aug 14 00:02 |
DaemonFC | where Peter is up in the attic with Anne Frank's family | Aug 14 00:03 |
DaemonFC | eating potato chips | Aug 14 00:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] venture philanthropy is the only way to survive http://www.someoneoncetoldme.com/photos/06012009.jpg | Aug 14 00:03 | |
DaemonFC | horde everything and make everyone else pay $500 for a license seems to make one richer | Aug 14 00:04 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 14 00:04 |
oiaohm | Big issue with mysql on windows is that it installs all the support tools. | Aug 14 00:05 |
DaemonFC | oh wow, I think it installed | Aug 14 00:05 |
oiaohm | Even that most of the time you don't need like clustering.... and the list goes on. | Aug 14 00:05 |
Balrog_ | DaemonFC: hoard * | Aug 14 00:05 |
DaemonFC | pleh | Aug 14 00:05 |
DaemonFC | whatever | Aug 14 00:05 |
oiaohm | Just allocate 30 to 40 mins when ever you need to install mysql on windows that way you can normally be happy. | Aug 14 00:06 |
Balrog_ | now what about software that /requires/ MSSQL *express* ? | Aug 14 00:07 |
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oiaohm | Pray to god it stays working Balrog_ or select something else. | Aug 14 00:09 |
Balrog_ | if it breaks it's not my fault :) | Aug 14 00:09 |
Balrog_ | is express really that bad? | Aug 14 00:09 |
Xarver | get Linux :D | Aug 14 00:09 |
oiaohm | Yes it is Balrog_ | Aug 14 00:09 |
Balrog_ | I would but this software isn't available ... and I'm not the one who wants it | Aug 14 00:09 |
oiaohm | For anything a business is depending on you either use full ms sql or some other free database first. | Aug 14 00:10 |
oiaohm | express is only good enough for development testing. | Aug 14 00:10 |
oiaohm | and I do mean only good enough. | Aug 14 00:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Does Microsoft Treat Vendors and Customers Like ‘Thieves’? http://ping.fm/dpzsd | Aug 14 00:11 | |
oiaohm | Its really rare to find a bit of software that is mssql only too. Most have mysql postgresql or orcale(that in cheap persons term = enterprise db) | Aug 14 00:13 |
Diablo-D3 | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/08/13/1431209/AMDs-Phenom-II-965-34GHz-140-Watts-245?from=rss | Aug 14 00:14 |
Diablo-D3 | I came. | Aug 14 00:14 |
DaemonFC | why? | Aug 14 00:17 |
DaemonFC | it's not as fast as an i7 | Aug 14 00:17 |
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Diablo-D3 | you say that like that even means anything | Aug 14 00:18 |
Diablo-D3 | no one cares how fast the fastest cpu is | Aug 14 00:18 |
Diablo-D3 | they only care about performance per watt and performance per dollar | Aug 14 00:18 |
Diablo-D3 | intel lost that war a long long time ago | Aug 14 00:18 |
DaemonFC | no, AMD's processors are not all that great | Aug 14 00:19 |
DaemonFC | they beat Intel for a couple years, several years ago | Aug 14 00:20 |
oiaohm | Problem is i7 performance is slowly becoming less important. | Aug 14 00:20 |
DaemonFC | and they still have fanbois | Aug 14 00:20 |
oiaohm | As more applications send there heavy work loads to video card. | Aug 14 00:20 |
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oiaohm | Power effectiveness and reasonable performance in cpu is all you need with application with loade sent to video card | Aug 14 00:21 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: you know what the problem is there, though? | Aug 14 00:21 |
Diablo-D3 | we have external pci-e boxes with x16 slots.... | Aug 14 00:21 |
Diablo-D3 | but I can't buy one that has like 16 slots and a heavy duty psu | Aug 14 00:21 |
oiaohm | I custom build Diablo-D3 Including case at times. | Aug 14 00:23 |
Diablo-D3 | you're missing the point | Aug 14 00:23 |
oiaohm | Yes it gets insane having a full PS to feed video cards. | Aug 14 00:24 |
Diablo-D3 | you're limited to 4 cards per machine using really expensive mobos | Aug 14 00:24 |
oiaohm | ? | Aug 14 00:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eye on Microsoft: Security Synopsis http://ping.fm/Wi9yu | Aug 14 00:24 | |
oiaohm | Really not. | Aug 14 00:24 |
Diablo-D3 | four x16 slots | Aug 14 00:24 |
oiaohm | http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadroplex.html << Diablo-D3 | Aug 14 00:25 |
oiaohm | 4 x 4 Diablo-D3 | Aug 14 00:26 |
Diablo-D3 | where do you see 4x4? | Aug 14 00:26 |
oiaohm | Each of those boxs is basically 4 cards. | Aug 14 00:28 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, I did get MediaPortal working | Aug 14 00:28 |
DaemonFC | I eventually just used Microsoft SQL Server | Aug 14 00:28 |
DaemonFC | all kinds of MySQL errors | Aug 14 00:28 |
DaemonFC | I probably did something wrong | Aug 14 00:28 |
DaemonFC | I'll be damned if I'm touching that again, another half hour wait | Aug 14 00:29 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: the bigger of the two says it only has 4 quadro gpus | Aug 14 00:29 |
DaemonFC | I just want something that works well without any kind of DRM support | Aug 14 00:30 |
DaemonFC | so I'm trying pretty much all the freeware I can find | Aug 14 00:30 |
oiaohm | The normal quadro card only has 1 GPU. Those boxes basically put 4 in 1 box Diablo-D3. | Aug 14 00:32 |
Diablo-D3 | so? | Aug 14 00:32 |
oiaohm | I would like to see AMD/ATI offer equal. | Aug 14 00:32 |
Diablo-D3 | they're effectively custom built external pci-e x16 boxes | Aug 14 00:32 |
oiaohm | Yep Diablo-D3 | Aug 14 00:33 |
Diablo-D3 | and the tesla is more impressive anyhow | Aug 14 00:33 |
schestowitz | "Windows XP costs just $5 for sub-notebook assemblers in China (based on someone close to the matter)" - true? | Aug 14 00:34 |
oiaohm | http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/77/1 You can get tesla in external box configuration as well Diablo-D3 | Aug 14 00:34 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I know | Aug 14 00:35 |
Diablo-D3 | but I'm stating they're a better choice for computational work | Aug 14 00:35 |
oiaohm | It was just the one I found first. | Aug 14 00:35 |
Diablo-D3 | they're gtx 2xx quadros fabbed specifically for gpgpu work | Aug 14 00:35 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: but theres a small problem | Aug 14 00:35 |
oiaohm | I do prefer some of the tesla boxs due to allowing card upgrades. | Aug 14 00:35 |
Diablo-D3 | the cards they use to bridge are pci-e x8 | Aug 14 00:35 |
Diablo-D3 | you _can't_ buy external slot boxes with more than 4 cards | Aug 14 00:36 |
Diablo-D3 | and you run out of slots very quickly | Aug 14 00:36 |
oiaohm | That is why I say 4 x 4. | Aug 14 00:36 |
Diablo-D3 | ahh | Aug 14 00:36 |
Diablo-D3 | also, ATI does offer something like this | Aug 14 00:36 |
Diablo-D3 | technically everyone does | Aug 14 00:36 |
oiaohm | Ie 4 motherboard times 4 in external cases. | Aug 14 00:36 |
Diablo-D3 | just throw cards in third party boxes | Aug 14 00:37 |
oiaohm | Drivers for effective use of limited pci-e busess is missing on the ati side. | Aug 14 00:37 |
Diablo-D3 | not at all | Aug 14 00:37 |
Diablo-D3 | radeons work fine on x16 slots with less than 16 lanes | Aug 14 00:38 |
oiaohm | Not lanes. | Aug 14 00:38 |
Diablo-D3 | a lot of multiple slot mobos have x8 wired | Aug 14 00:38 |
oiaohm | You don't want to be transfering data between cards connected to different pci-e ports on motherboard. | Aug 14 00:38 |
oiaohm | Or you can end up with major traffic hell. | Aug 14 00:38 |
Diablo-D3 | technically thats not true BUT | Aug 14 00:38 |
Diablo-D3 | radeons dont do it | Aug 14 00:38 |
Diablo-D3 | it only does it in SLI mode when the bridge isnt installed | Aug 14 00:39 |
Diablo-D3 | and theres very very limited communication | Aug 14 00:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.archive.org/about/about.php "Many early movies were recycled to recover the silver in the film. The Library of Alexandria - an ancient center of learning containing a copy of every book in the world - was eventually burned to the ground. Even now, at the turn of the 21st century, no comprehensive archives of television or radio programs exist." | Aug 14 00:39 |
oiaohm | Nvidia has some drivers with complete complex card management Diablo-D3 | Aug 14 00:39 |
Diablo-D3 | they don't share uploaded data, they only share rendering output in cases where this makes sense | Aug 14 00:39 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: except you dont need it | Aug 14 00:39 |
Diablo-D3 | fglrx, for example, does work with 4 cards already | Aug 14 00:40 |
Diablo-D3 | I don't know if it will work past that | Aug 14 00:40 |
oiaohm | Its past that where the issue is. | Aug 14 00:40 |
Diablo-D3 | no one has tried | Aug 14 00:40 |
Diablo-D3 | it should work fine, though | Aug 14 00:40 |
Diablo-D3 | it would just keep detecting more cards | Aug 14 00:41 |
Diablo-D3 | and, btw, I'm pretty sure someone at ATI would point out the insanity of this | Aug 14 00:41 |
Diablo-D3 | its probably not a great idea | Aug 14 00:41 |
Diablo-D3 | especially since ATI has drivers that can run opencl shares on the CPU as well, allowing you to use everything in the system to compute | Aug 14 00:42 |
Diablo-D3 | so you'd be better off with multiple machines to feed the gpus | Aug 14 00:42 |
oiaohm | CPU is busy enough with 16 cards to manage. | Aug 14 00:42 |
Diablo-D3 | not only that, its probably cheaper | Aug 14 00:42 |
Diablo-D3 | the cost of some of those larger external boxes is the same of a cheap opteron system | Aug 14 00:43 |
oiaohm | Not really cheaper. | Aug 14 00:43 |
oiaohm | Responce time is no where near a good. | Aug 14 00:43 |
Diablo-D3 | I've seen a 4 slot box go for $1k | Aug 14 00:43 |
oiaohm | pci-e 16 bus beats most things. | Aug 14 00:44 |
Diablo-D3 | $1k could buy me a non-opteron 4x slot mobo, cpu, and whatever else | Aug 14 00:44 |
Diablo-D3 | and, btw, oiaohm | Aug 14 00:44 |
oiaohm | You would have to go for motherboard interlinks. | Aug 14 00:44 |
Diablo-D3 | if AMD _really_ wanted to do this | Aug 14 00:44 |
Diablo-D3 | they'd build GPUs that connect via HT | Aug 14 00:44 |
oiaohm | Issue with HT board they are just as expensive per board as 4 slot pci-e | Aug 14 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | yup | Aug 14 00:45 |
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Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: but you're missing the point though | Aug 14 00:45 |
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Diablo-D3 | $1k buys me a fast 4x slot mobo | Aug 14 00:45 |
oiaohm | If HT was cheaper there would be less need to do the 16 card evil. | Aug 14 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | $1k buys me an external box | Aug 14 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | its obvious which I'd go with | Aug 14 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | (hint: its another machine) | Aug 14 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | if I'm doing a lot of gpgpu computation, I'd _still_ have a cluster of machines | Aug 14 00:46 |
Diablo-D3 | so either way I'm buying more than one machine | Aug 14 00:46 |
oiaohm | Lot of the 1k 4x slot don't have the HT. | Aug 14 00:46 |
Diablo-D3 | none of it has HT | Aug 14 00:46 |
Diablo-D3 | if it had HT this wouldnt be a problem | Aug 14 00:46 |
Diablo-D3 | HT gear his available but hard to get | Aug 14 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | I can get socket F ht 3.0 boards with ht slots, but the only thing I can do is cluster them | Aug 14 00:47 |
oiaohm | If there was even a 2 slot pci -e with HT cheap it would win over. | Aug 14 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: well | Aug 14 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | most of these HT boards dont have a pci-e x16 slot | Aug 14 00:47 |
oiaohm | That is the issue causing the insanity when you need responce times. | Aug 14 00:48 |
Diablo-D3 | except you dont | Aug 14 00:48 |
Diablo-D3 | you're doing large scale computational work | Aug 14 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | response time is rather out the window | Aug 14 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | I mean, if they had pci-e to HT bridges | Aug 14 00:49 |
oiaohm | Lot of stuff I am doing is on the fly. | Aug 14 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | this would be solved | Aug 14 00:49 |
oiaohm | There are a lot of ways to solve it. | Aug 14 00:49 |
oiaohm | 1 motherboard with HT and pci-e support. | Aug 14 00:50 |
oiaohm | Would be the simplest. | Aug 14 00:50 |
Diablo-D3 | the mobo doesnt need pci-e support | Aug 14 00:50 |
oiaohm | HT to pci-e interface. | Aug 14 00:50 |
Diablo-D3 | that'd be in the box though | Aug 14 00:50 |
Diablo-D3 | to the mobo it'd just be something else plugged into HT | Aug 14 00:50 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: but the fun part | Aug 14 00:51 |
Diablo-D3 | you can plug multiple machines together with HT | Aug 14 00:51 |
oiaohm | Nvidia massive external boxs are normally use with high grade 3d pupertery for movie work. | Aug 14 00:52 |
Diablo-D3 | yeah, but thats for graphics work | Aug 14 00:52 |
oiaohm | Where you kinda do need the responce time. | Aug 14 00:52 |
Diablo-D3 | graphics work is boring | Aug 14 00:52 |
Diablo-D3 | especially when you can do fast encryption/decryption on a gpgpu | Aug 14 00:52 |
oiaohm | At least you under stand the wall you get around with the 4x4 evil. | Aug 14 00:53 |
Diablo-D3 | yeah | Aug 14 00:53 |
oiaohm | They are great when they work. Boy when one gets a glitch finding it can be a pain in ass. | Aug 14 00:53 |
Diablo-D3 | but its largely a hack | Aug 14 00:53 |
oiaohm | Due to all the data transfers. | Aug 14 00:54 |
oiaohm | Hopefully HT will become more common and some maker will release a pci-e with HT board of some form. | Aug 14 00:56 |
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Diablo-D3 | oh noes oiaohm died | Aug 14 00:59 |
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people should value their freedom at more than $5 (04:42:23 PM) schestowitz: "Windows XP costs just $5 for sub-notebook assemblers in China (based on someone close to the matter)" - true? | Aug 14 02:20 | |
hmph. Pidgin does not have a good memory. I consider it a forgiveness mechanism. In some cases, I wish it had a better memory. -> ThistleWeb: then he forgets who he's suposed to have ignored | Aug 14 02:29 | |
ThistleWeb | lol, hours later the excuse arrives | Aug 14 02:31 |
ThistleWeb | not that I care, I expect I'll be ignored in short order anyway | Aug 14 02:31 |
ThistleWeb | it is funny though, I've never had that problem with pidgin | Aug 14 02:31 |
ThistleWeb | nor have I seen anyone even mention it | Aug 14 02:32 |
People have a right to express their opinions. I have a right to ignore people who intentionally provoke. | Aug 14 02:32 | |
ThistleWeb | you must be unique | Aug 14 02:32 |
ThistleWeb | perhaps you should file a bug report | Aug 14 02:32 |
ThistleWeb | dude, you ignore everyone who won't agree with you | Aug 14 02:32 |
ThistleWeb | everyone is only a few sentences away from being accused of being a troll | Aug 14 02:33 |
ThistleWeb | you have the people skills of RMS | Aug 14 02:33 |
Some jackass is smoking. It stinks up my whole place. | Aug 14 02:33 | |
ThistleWeb | have you considered what jumping on people does to newbies in the BN channel? | Aug 14 02:34 |
ThistleWeb | what impression they get of the cause, by the actions of peeps in here | Aug 14 02:34 |
ThistleWeb | it's why people often cringe when RMS is mentioned | Aug 14 02:35 |
ThistleWeb | sure he has a great philosophy, but his way of expressing it leave a LOT to be desired and do more harm than good sometimes | Aug 14 02:35 |
ThistleWeb | some of his hardline attitudes leave people thinking "losers" | Aug 14 02:36 |
ThistleWeb | rather than bring people in, it turns people off, who were interested enough to poke their heads in for a look | Aug 14 02:36 |
ThistleWeb | lemmie guess, you've not seen any of that, because I'm "ignored" until the next time | Aug 14 02:37 |
ThistleWeb | rofl | Aug 14 02:37 |
ThistleWeb | maybe if pidgin can't keep up with your ignore list, that you should look at a different client. I understand it can be rather big if you have a habit of ignoring peeps who disagree with you | Aug 14 02:38 |
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ho ho, the worm turns on M$ in the i4i trail. More damaging email is revealed. | Aug 14 02:47 | |
http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/enterpriseapps/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219300122 | Aug 14 02:47 | |
Here's what the friendly M$ people say behind your back -> "We saw [i4i's products] some time ago and met its creators. Word 11 will make it obsolete," said Martin Sawicki, a member of Microsoft's XML for Word development team, in an e-mail to a colleague. "It looks great for XP though," wrote Sawicki, according to court records. | Aug 14 02:48 | |
ThistleWeb | I understand the "my client forgets" excuse if the name kept changing, in my case it does not. I have never changed names | Aug 14 02:48 |
M$ version of patent law, "ours are good, yours are bad." | Aug 14 02:50 | |
This troll complements me. -> (12:59:07 PM) ThistleWeb: he seems to have the people skills of RMS | Aug 14 03:02 | |
ThisleWeb seems to have the graces and instinct of a M$ TE. | Aug 14 03:03 | |
ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 14 03:03 |
ThistleWeb | RMS is NOT the type of person who should be dealing with people | Aug 14 03:04 |
ThistleWeb | it was not a compliment | Aug 14 03:04 |
ThistleWeb | but feel free to accept it as such | Aug 14 03:04 |
ThistleWeb | the accusation is very "twitter-like" - "call them a troll, or a M$ proxy" | Aug 14 03:06 |
ThistleWeb | perhaps a reading of "the boy who cried wolf" should be on the reading list | Aug 14 03:06 |
ThistleWeb | in the meantime, feel free to pretend to ignore me again, then blame Pidgin when you forget and start talking to me again | Aug 14 03:07 |
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DaemonFC | hmmm, looks like "PlayReady also does per-movie blocking | Aug 14 04:42 |
DaemonFC | it blocked TBS just in time for DOOM | Aug 14 04:43 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/business/media/14adco.html | Aug 14 06:53 |
DaemonFC | Glenn Beck loses more advertisers as all of them with good taste have started to bail | Aug 14 06:53 |
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DaemonFC | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/13/2022212/Local-Privilege-Escalation-On-All-Linux-Kernels | Aug 14 07:15 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft has underlined support for its Internet Explorer 6 web browser, despite acknowledging its flaws." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8196242.stm They should just DROP this anti-Web turd. | Aug 14 07:16 |
DaemonFC | heh | Aug 14 07:16 |
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DaemonFC | 8 year long vulnerability which anyone can exploit to get root | Aug 14 07:16 |
DaemonFC | cool | Aug 14 07:16 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, they technically have to support IE 5.01 until the middle of next year | Aug 14 07:17 |
DaemonFC | cause it shipped with Windows 2000 | Aug 14 07:17 |
DaemonFC | that was out in 1999 | Aug 14 07:19 |
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DaemonFC | the standalone IE 5 that is | Aug 14 07:19 |
DaemonFC | it's crazy to think anyone would still be using it | Aug 14 07:20 |
dsmith_ | or IE6 for that matter | Aug 14 07:21 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft kind of backed itself into having to support the IE version that came with Windows when they decided to call it a Windows component | Aug 14 07:23 |
Finding the obvious in music surveys http://slashdot.org/submission/1055581/People-Want-Freedom-and-Ownership-in-Music | Aug 14 07:23 | |
DaemonFC | that means that every version of IE they release with a version of Windows automatically lives on for at least 10 years | Aug 14 07:24 |
I do not understand what M$ means by "support for IE 6" | Aug 14 07:24 | |
DaemonFC | means that IE 8 will be supported til 2019 | Aug 14 07:25 |
does that mean that they will keep coding to it while the rest of the world moves to reasonable web standards? | Aug 14 07:25 | |
DaemonFC | no, it means that the rest of the world hacks on their site til it renders in IE | Aug 14 07:25 |
DaemonFC | and bypasses the rest of what they could be using | Aug 14 07:25 |
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Does it mean that all future versions of their own browsers will have IE 6's "flaws"? | Aug 14 07:26 | |
DaemonFC | you don't see any site turning away IE 7 or IE 8 users | Aug 14 07:26 |
DaemonFC | the only reason they really want IE 6 to die is because of things like the box model bug | Aug 14 07:26 |
DaemonFC | that died with IE 7 | Aug 14 07:27 |
DaemonFC | and the haslayout crap died with IE 8 | Aug 14 07:28 |
I suspect what they mean is that they will continue trying to tie all of their software into one big M$ knot that no one else can use. | Aug 14 07:28 | |
DaemonFC | it's possible to make a reasonably good, standards compliant page that IE 8 will render | Aug 14 07:28 |
DaemonFC | it doesn't support all kinds of fancy non-accepted standards like Firefox does | Aug 14 07:29 |
MinceR | non-accepted by m$? :> | Aug 14 07:29 |
DaemonFC | implementing support for draft and proposal features is bizarre | Aug 14 07:29 |
DaemonFC | and dangerous | Aug 14 07:29 |
DaemonFC | Firefox and Opera both do it though | Aug 14 07:29 |
MinceR | having reference implementations helps standardization | Aug 14 07:29 |
Sharepoint, Exchange, Silverlie, M$ Office and IE are all self referencing junk and all are increasingly rejected | Aug 14 07:29 | |
like Windows itself | Aug 14 07:30 | |
MinceR | the point is not to interfere with stuff that _is_ standardized | Aug 14 07:30 |
DaemonFC | it's more like Mozilla introduces something and decides to put it in to try and force the issue | Aug 14 07:30 |
MinceR | and IE fails at that. | Aug 14 07:30 |
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IE fails at many real standards, purposefully. Like ogg. There's no reason Windows should not have ogg vorbis and theora support out of the box. | Aug 14 07:31 | |
DaemonFC | so twitter, how do you explain the 8 year old Linux vulnerability | Aug 14 07:32 |
DaemonFC | that allows root access by any running program | Aug 14 07:32 |
except that free formats mess with M$'s lame media invasion. | Aug 14 07:32 | |
DaemonFC | you were after all saying how funny it was that Microsoft left one open for 2 years | Aug 14 07:33 |
They could also have ODF, but that messes up their obsolete productivity suite sales. | Aug 14 07:33 | |
anivar | interesting howto http://www.j4v4m4n.in/2009/08/14/use-your-g1-as-internet-connection-for-your-laptop-aka-tethering/ | Aug 14 07:33 |
that looks painful. it would be nice if you could just get a PC card or USB dongle without incurring additional telco rape charges. | Aug 14 07:35 | |
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-> It is disappointing to see all tethering apps removed from the Market (Google T Mobile following Apple AT & T model) | Aug 14 07:37 | |
non free platforms suck like that. | Aug 14 07:37 | |
DaemonFC | nah, proprietary software isn't necessarily bad | Aug 14 07:39 |
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DaemonFC | DRM is | Aug 14 07:39 |
anivar | twitter: yea | Aug 14 07:40 |
MinceR | until IE renders standards-compliant pages according to the standards, regardless of domain name (and other hacks), it won't be a web browser | Aug 14 07:44 |
MinceR | it's a m$-web browser. | Aug 14 07:44 |
today is a recorded music milestone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page | Aug 14 07:44 | |
Thomas Edison demonstrated recorded music at a press conference in 1888. | Aug 14 07:45 | |
DaemonFC | it does render standards compliant pages | Aug 14 07:46 |
DaemonFC | if you mean, technically standards compliant | Aug 14 07:47 |
He played a recording of a 30 year old poem that had been set to music ten years previously. | Aug 14 07:47 | |
MinceR | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/29/hakon_lie_ie8_interoperability/ | Aug 14 07:48 |
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schestowitz | Hey, anivar | Aug 14 07:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Will Not Comply with Software Patents But Will Eventually Comply with the GPL http://ping.fm/sAzP4 | Aug 14 07:59 | |
schestowitz | What does this troll want? http://twitter.com/cjadamscollier/status/3297578470 | Aug 14 08:01 |
schestowitz | the cj troll | Aug 14 08:01 |
dsmith_ | SHAREPOINT IS JUNK | Aug 14 08:02 |
he probably wants what all trolls to. to deceive, annoy and waste time | Aug 14 08:02 | |
schestowitz | A kinder Sony? Naaa..... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/13/sony_epub/ | Aug 14 08:02 |
schestowitz | dsmith_: but it has the Microsoft logo | Aug 14 08:02 |
dsmith_ | LOL | Aug 14 08:02 |
dsmith_ | wel if you can;t make it good, make it *look* good | Aug 14 08:03 |
schestowitz | Weird: MS revives Outlook for Mac < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/13/sony_epub/ > | Aug 14 08:03 |
schestowitz | Maybe they look for a future inside other people's platforms | Aug 14 08:03 |
schestowitz | "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good.” | Aug 14 08:03 |
schestowitz | --Pearly | Aug 14 08:04 |
dsmith_ | yea, thats the exact line | Aug 14 08:04 |
schestowitz | I heard about SharePunkt disasters | Aug 14 08:04 |
schestowitz | For example a bank that was unavailable for weeks | Aug 14 08:05 |
schestowitz | It's a good, GOOD think the LSE is dumping Microsoft | Aug 14 08:05 |
dsmith_ | oh? send a link | Aug 14 08:05 |
schestowitz | Microsoft will no doubt try to GAG those who speak about it | Aug 14 08:05 |
schestowitz | I hear that's how they operate, forcing people never to admit Microsoft's fault | Aug 14 08:05 |
dsmith_ | compnay where I work, asked me what I recommend, I told them Clearspace by Jive, as we already use the IM software | Aug 14 08:06 |
schestowitz | dsmith_: they kept it secret | Aug 14 08:06 |
schestowitz | I know from a person who was close to it | Aug 14 08:06 |
dsmith_ | but this young kid start using sharepoint express instead | Aug 14 08:06 |
schestowitz | There was scarce coverage in Danish | Aug 14 08:06 |
dsmith_ | ahhhh no wonder | Aug 14 08:06 |
dsmith_ | lol | Aug 14 08:06 |
schestowitz | A lot of Microsoft's biggest failure you'll never hear about | Aug 14 08:06 |
dsmith_ | now he is running around giving little classes on sharepoint | Aug 14 08:07 |
schestowitz | THey love controlling what people think and how they feel about Microsoft products | Aug 14 08:07 |
dsmith_ | I told him 98% percent of the office will not understand it | Aug 14 08:07 |
dsmith_ | alot of ppl tell me they hate vista | Aug 14 08:07 |
schestowitz | What happens when a virus hits? | Aug 14 08:07 |
dsmith_ | and I tell them wait till vista 7 | Aug 14 08:07 |
schestowitz | SharePunkt runs only on Windows | Aug 14 08:07 |
schestowitz | When down, it takes down EVERYTHING. | Aug 14 08:08 |
dsmith_ | yep | Aug 14 08:08 |
schestowitz | That's one of the issues | Aug 14 08:08 |
schestowitz | But Microsoft harps about 'the cloud' being risky | Aug 14 08:08 |
dsmith_ | lol | Aug 14 08:08 |
schestowitz | Even if offline for 1- 2 houts | Aug 14 08:08 |
schestowitz | *hours | Aug 14 08:08 |
MinceR | i thought their biggest failure was vista. | Aug 14 08:08 |
schestowitz | Same with Exchange, which is notorious for dropping mail | Aug 14 08:08 |
dsmith_ | pandomoniom breaksout if something dies for 15 mins | Aug 14 08:08 |
schestowitz | I've seen it right here catching a virus | Aug 14 08:09 |
dsmith_ | i hate exchange | Aug 14 08:09 |
schestowitz | So the profs and postdocs can't get their friggin' mail | Aug 14 08:09 |
dsmith_ | the filtering table is way too small | Aug 14 08:09 |
dsmith_ | 32kB? | Aug 14 08:09 |
dsmith_ | wtf | Aug 14 08:09 |
schestowitz | The IT staff working overtime to reinstall exchange | Aug 14 08:09 |
schestowitz | Cause the virus, the IT chief told me, also deleted/corrupted the anti-virus software | Aug 14 08:09 |
schestowitz | Anti-virus software on the server to protect the server | Aug 14 08:09 |
dsmith_ | lol | Aug 14 08:09 |
dsmith_ | yep | Aug 14 08:10 |
dsmith_ | they have malwarebytes, avg and macafee | Aug 14 08:10 |
dsmith_ | though I think they took mcCrappy off now | Aug 14 08:10 |
schestowitz | MinceR: you can't see the V word anymore | Aug 14 08:10 |
schestowitz | V7 is coming | Aug 14 08:10 |
schestowitz | It'll be big... disappointment | Aug 14 08:10 |
MinceR | well, they call it 7 now, but it's still vista | Aug 14 08:10 |
schestowitz | Cause people don't buy V7 (with a computer ''around' it) | Aug 14 08:11 |
schestowitz | People won't buy V7 | Aug 14 08:11 |
just rotate the 7 and you see the V | Aug 14 08:11 | |
schestowitz | They only get it forcefed when buying a PC | Aug 14 08:11 |
schestowitz | Bundling, OEM pricing | Aug 14 08:11 |
schestowitz | But few people buy PCs and even fewer will | Aug 14 08:11 |
schestowitz | I used to call it 7apourware in 2008 | Aug 14 08:11 |
dsmith_ | heh | Aug 14 08:12 |
dsmith_ | i have 7 on a vm image here | Aug 14 08:12 |
schestowitz | There were other variations I can't remember | Aug 14 08:12 |
dsmith_ | it stinks... | Aug 14 08:12 |
vapor lock, M$ heart attack. | Aug 14 08:12 | |
dsmith_ | kde 4 looks close to the same | Aug 14 08:12 |
dsmith_ | I am wondering who copied who | Aug 14 08:12 |
schestowitz | Ideas in the air;... | Aug 14 08:13 |
schestowitz | Apple copies a lot too | Aug 14 08:13 |
MinceR | kde4 came first, didn't it? | Aug 14 08:13 |
schestowitz | It's called inspiration | Aug 14 08:13 |
MinceR | also, it was developed in an open process | Aug 14 08:13 |
schestowitz | You can't "unknow" what you see. | Aug 14 08:13 |
dsmith_ | MinceR: yes | Aug 14 08:13 |
MinceR | so m$ can keep its secrets and the kde team won't | Aug 14 08:13 |
schestowitz | Art is like that, poetry too | Aug 14 08:13 |
schestowitz | dsmith_: would be easy to show | Aug 14 08:13 |
schestowitz | Look at COmes E-mails | Aug 14 08:13 |
schestowitz | Microsoft looks at OS X systematically and copies them | Aug 14 08:14 |
schestowitz | There's proof | Aug 14 08:14 |
dsmith_ | i remember reading that that the vista dev. team that working on the startup sound spent 6-months on it | Aug 14 08:14 |
MinceR | have they also mentioned kde4 in those mails? | Aug 14 08:14 |
schestowitz | So KDE4 used for 'inspiration' would not be surprising | Aug 14 08:14 |
schestowitz | MinceR: no | Aug 14 08:14 |
schestowitz | Just the Messiah's precious little BSD | Aug 14 08:14 |
MinceR | :) | Aug 14 08:14 |
dsmith_ | how can dev. team spend 6 months on a startup sound? | Aug 14 08:15 |
schestowitz | WTF: Bloke decapitates horse with chainsaw < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/13/horse_trial/ > | Aug 14 08:15 |
MinceR | well, there's not much for a "developer team" to do at m$ | Aug 14 08:15 |
dsmith_ | lol Roy | Aug 14 08:15 |
schestowitz | dsmith_: it was hype | Aug 14 08:15 |
MinceR | and the startup sound is most of what they do in a release | Aug 14 08:15 |
schestowitz | Oh, how much noise they made about the sound which they insisted everyone would hear | Aug 14 08:15 |
MinceR | new sounds, new skins, new code stolen from BSD | Aug 14 08:15 |
chainsaw? how else would you decapitate a horse? | Aug 14 08:15 | |
schestowitz | Yeah, like 2% of US businesses | Aug 14 08:15 |
dsmith_ | what kernels are there, bsd...linux and what else | Aug 14 08:16 |
schestowitz | twitter: haven't read the article yet. Repellent enough in the tagline | Aug 14 08:16 |
MinceR | twitter: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BFS | Aug 14 08:16 |
MinceR | :> | Aug 14 08:16 |
schestowitz | Autocad attacks return after four years in wilderness < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/13/autocad_virus_comeback/ > | Aug 14 08:17 |
schestowitz | I wonder if it's WIndows-only | Aug 14 08:17 |
MinceR | "petrol-driven coup de grâce" :D | Aug 14 08:17 |
schestowitz | Had they ported to Linux as they once considered doing, that would diversify and limit damage | Aug 14 08:17 |
you might as well hope Autodesk brings back lisp | Aug 14 08:18 | |
and dumps VB | Aug 14 08:18 | |
schestowitz | Twitter transformed into botnet command channel < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/13/twitter_master_control_channel/ > | Aug 14 08:18 |
MinceR | as a b$a member (a.k.a. m$ buddy), they can't afford to port. | Aug 14 08:18 |
schestowitz | They use VB? No wonder it's such Windows drek | Aug 14 08:18 |
so twitter really is a puppet master now? | Aug 14 08:18 | |
schestowitz | Vis-a-vis autodesk, remember what zombie came from there? | Aug 14 08:19 |
schestowitz | Bartzmer | Aug 14 08:19 |
schestowitz | The person who destroyed Yahoo! | Aug 14 08:19 |
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=770215 | Aug 14 08:20 | |
but they may still have lisp http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=770237 | Aug 14 08:20 | |
*MinceR wonders if they'll ever use a real language :> | Aug 14 08:20 | |
schestowitz | Whoa.Les Paul was still alive? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/les_paul_dead_at_94/ | Aug 14 08:20 |
lisp routines to call ActiveX and with "Source code protection against theft and alteration" | Aug 14 08:21 | |
MinceR | lisp code is protected against alteration by being unreadable :> | Aug 14 08:22 |
protected against execution by ActiveX and virus attack. | Aug 14 08:22 | |
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oh wow, " 4. Does LISP still work in AutoCAD at the command line, in menus, or in the acad.mnl file?Yes, using the command line to evaluate LISP code directly continues to work as it has in the past." | Aug 14 08:24 | |
I was misinformed. Autocad still has lisp. | Aug 14 08:24 | |
schestowitz | More Debt Watching from the Command Line < http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-debt-watching-command-line > | Aug 14 08:25 |
schestowitz | amarsh04_: your comment here: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/debian_contempt_end_user_values_has_stop#comment-77112 | Aug 14 08:26 |
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schestowitz | Hmmmm.. why did LXer put this into the wire..? http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136626/Cut_Paste_Better_with_Free_Clipboard_Utility?source=rss_opsys | Aug 14 08:32 |
schestowitz | Download software to make Windows more like Linux. Wow. | Aug 14 08:32 |
ugh, it's not fun, but it's not hard to get older packages to work on a current version of Debian. | Aug 14 08:33 | |
especially a font | Aug 14 08:33 | |
ttf fonts work for me. I'm not sure what happened to Terry Hancock. | Aug 14 08:36 | |
schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5214623279.html?kc=rss | Aug 14 08:37 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft COO Kevin Turner, who claimed at Microsoft's annual financial analysts' meeting that retailers selling Linux netbooks had told him they are experiencing return rates "like four or five times higher than what we're seeing on other PCs that have Windows."" | Aug 14 08:37 |
schestowitz | Liar. Same salesmen he was in Wal-Mart | Aug 14 08:37 |
I am sure he'll hate Vista and Vista 7. | Aug 14 08:37 | |
He should know from Walmart that is not true. You have the M$ email where the Walmart Linux hit team notes that Linux at Walmart did about as well as anything else. | Aug 14 08:38 | |
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schestowitz | Mary Jo is disappointing: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3727 | Aug 14 08:47 |
schestowitz | She has become like an extension of W-E spreading buzz | Aug 14 08:47 |
schestowitz | It's just Microsoft promotion via "Microsoft blogs", it's not news | Aug 14 08:47 |
schestowitz | We hardly see "Google blogs" or "the IBM blog" | Aug 14 08:47 |
schestowitz | More evidence of Microsoft being a blasting marketing company | Aug 14 08:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Scientific proof that m-kernels are more secure: http://ping.fm/JthaM (A Formally Correct Operating System Kernel) | Aug 14 08:51 | |
schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/learn/new-user-guides/34658-everything-you-never-wanted-to-know-about-linux-maintenance | Aug 14 08:54 |
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anivar | hi schestowitz :-) | Aug 14 08:57 |
schestowitz | what's new? | Aug 14 09:00 |
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schestowitz | Apple fans take cover.... http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/08/14/jason-calcacanis-the-case-for-seizing-apples-technology/ (Jason Calcacanis: The Case for Seizing Apple’s Technology) | Aug 14 09:04 |
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Diablo-D3 | I wish apple would just come out with the tablet already | Aug 14 09:05 |
schestowitz | Zer01 Fails To Deliver Again; Blames Everyone Else, Dumps Buzzkirk, Threatens Legal Response To Reporters < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090813/1039415865.shtml > | Aug 14 09:07 |
anivar | schestowitz: nothing special. But it is interesting to look at the Advt for the director post of International Centre for free and Open source software (ICFOSS) in kerala | Aug 14 09:08 |
anivar | http://itmission.kerala.gov.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=314:applications-invited-for-the-post-of-director-icfoss&catid=56:careers&Itemid=133 | Aug 14 09:08 |
anivar | it seems somebody is already selected | Aug 14 09:08 |
anivar | :-P | Aug 14 09:08 |
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anivar | schestowitz: Hope you remember EDGI Kerala story | Aug 14 09:11 |
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schestowitz | Asay is being silly again. "Update: See Sean Michael Kerner's post, suggesting that two particulars (i4i is not a patent troll and i4i and Microsoft had a business relationship) suggest that the open-source world has little to fear from this suit." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10308909-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad | Aug 14 09:19 |
schestowitz | As usual, CNET lets the junkanalysis stay | Aug 14 09:20 |
schestowitz | anivar: yes, I remember and link to it occasionally | Aug 14 09:20 |
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anivar | there is an Interesting discussion in user groups http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm/browse_thread/thread/d6656de54f99b746# | Aug 14 09:30 |
anivar | BTW I hope you are aware about FOSSCOMM.IN, the network of foss Communities in India. I was one of the initiators | Aug 14 09:31 |
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anivar | Its Intervention in Open standards policy is listed here http://fosscomm.in/OpenStandards | Aug 14 09:32 |
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anivar | also take a Look at Response to ICT4Education policy of Govt of India http://fosscomm.in/LetterForEducationPolicy | Aug 14 09:32 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft FUD tactics again: http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-netbooks-return-rates-are-not-the-issue | Aug 14 09:41 |
schestowitz | Asay's ignorance is propagating to other sites: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/microsoft-patent-suit-may-affect-more-than-word/?cs=34903 | Aug 14 09:43 |
schestowitz | He writes about things he does not understand | Aug 14 09:44 |
schestowitz | He should stick to iPhones and 'cloud' | Aug 14 09:44 |
schestowitz | anivar: a lot of the discussion is not in English | Aug 14 09:45 |
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schestowitz | Like this: http://replyspot.blogspot.com/2009/08/blog-post.html | Aug 14 09:46 |
schestowitz | Watch the US press jumping to defend a criminal company that was found guilty in several continents: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/eu-missed-evidence-in-intel-antitrust-investigation/?cs=34815 | Aug 14 09:47 |
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schestowitz | Buzz and sentiments overtake rationale in these news... poor poor Intel... they only bribed and destroyed evidence, but the judges won't listen | Aug 14 09:48 |
anivar | schestowitz: that is my blog | Aug 14 09:48 |
anivar | in local language | Aug 14 09:48 |
schestowitz | "According to their findings, which were recently published in the PLoS Biology journal, the bio-physical mechanism that exists in our brain enables single nerve cells in the cerebral cortex to perform word identification tasks almost perfectly." http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-08/thuo-hur081209.php | Aug 14 09:53 |
schestowitz | Settlement Likely in Goldman Sachs Code Theft Case < http://www.securitiesindustry.com/news/-23817-1.html > | Aug 14 09:54 |
schestowitz | Cute picture: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/12/wildlife-conservation | Aug 14 09:55 |
schestowitz | ^more on us humans destroying the inhibitability of the planet we have | Aug 14 09:56 |
schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/asia/24pstan.html?_r=1 "An airstrike believed to have been carried out by a United States drone killed at least 60 people at a funeral for a Taliban fighter in South Waziristan on Tuesday, residents of the area and local news reports said. " | Aug 14 09:58 |
schestowitz | Attending a funeral apparently makes one a terrorist too, even if you're a spouse or kid | Aug 14 09:58 |
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schestowitz | ECT is again quoting Microsoft AstroTurf "hairyfeet" http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Always-Look-on-the-Bright-Side-of-FOSS-67850.html?wlc=1250240897 | Aug 14 10:04 |
schestowitz | These machines use Linux: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/another-court-deals-major-blow-to-dvd-copying/ | Aug 14 10:07 |
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cubezzz | oh yeah, that will stop dvd copying for sure | Aug 14 10:11 |
schestowitz | Heh. 'You are plagiarizing bruce schneier from his book. Atleast have a curtsey to quote and attribute. " http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/12/movie-industry-wants.html | Aug 14 10:11 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: aye | Aug 14 10:11 |
schestowitz | Same with Real | Aug 14 10:11 |
schestowitz | RealDVD | Aug 14 10:11 |
schestowitz | Based on Linux too | Aug 14 10:11 |
schestowitz | Democracy Without Elections http://reason.com/news/show/135397.html "The unfortunate truth is that four of the 100 members of the Senate got there without the consent of the governed. " | Aug 14 10:12 |
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cubezzz | schestowitz, I don't think dvd backup is illegal, at least not in Canada | Aug 14 10:14 |
cubezzz | surely it's easy enough to do | Aug 14 10:14 |
schestowitz | Lethem and EFF on why Google Book Search needs privacy guarantees < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/12/lethem-and-eff-on-wh.html > | Aug 14 10:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Shut Yer Mouth: Man Gets 6 Months for Yawning < http://ping.fm/4862B > Probably doesn't tell the whole story, but still... | Aug 14 10:14 | |
schestowitz | Yeah, it's for backu | Aug 14 10:14 |
schestowitz | THey found a way to ban backup | Aug 14 10:14 |
schestowitz | I.e. to expire content | Aug 14 10:14 |
schestowitz | DVDs have wear. They no longer work after something like 5-10 years | Aug 14 10:14 |
schestowitz | So forget about duplicating those wedding videos while you're at it | Aug 14 10:15 |
cubezzz | I have a CD-RW which was made in 1995 | Aug 14 10:15 |
schestowitz | Apple patching too late. http://tech.yahoo.com/news/macworld/20090812/tc_macworld/securityupdate2009004fixesbindvulnerability | Aug 14 10:15 |
cubezzz | I'm pretty sure it still works | Aug 14 10:15 |
schestowitz | Drive or CD? | Aug 14 10:16 |
cubezzz | the disc | Aug 14 10:16 |
schestowitz | http://askbobrankin.com/lifetime_of_a_cdrom_disk.html | Aug 14 10:16 |
schestowitz | "As with any backup medium (floppy disk, tape, CDROM, etc.) the lifetime of the data is an important consideration. Kodak has done extensive accelerated aging tests which indicate that their Infoguard CD-R should last 200 years. TDK say that their discs will last "about 100 years". Others tell horror stories that no-name CDs which they have burned are no longer readable after a few months." | Aug 14 10:16 |
schestowitz | Weird. I read something different not so long ago | Aug 14 10:16 |
schestowitz | "Rub the disk gently with toothpaste (the pasty kind, not a gel) in a RADIAL (not circular) motion from the center of the disk to the outside edge. Wash and dry it again and see if it's readable." | Aug 14 10:17 |
cubezzz | I'll look at what make it is | Aug 14 10:17 |
cubezzz | Acer | Aug 14 10:18 |
cubezzz | so that's about 14 years | Aug 14 10:18 |
cubezzz | yeah the drivers don't last that long | Aug 14 10:19 |
cubezzz | er, drives I should say :) | Aug 14 10:19 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: its funny you should link to total lies | Aug 14 10:20 |
cubezzz | spindle or stepper motor usually goes | Aug 14 10:20 |
schestowitz | anivar: see http://osindia.blogspot.com/2009/08/power-of-open-source-development.html | Aug 14 10:20 |
schestowitz | It's a shame that Red Hat employees can't tell apart RMS' work from Linus | Aug 14 10:20 |
schestowitz | I saw this article the other day, but didn't know who wrote it | Aug 14 10:20 |
cubezzz | consumer grade electronics like dvd players don't last very long | Aug 14 10:20 |
schestowitz | YEs | Aug 14 10:21 |
schestowitz | It's important to have transferable data | Aug 14 10:21 |
schestowitz | As in, being able to migrate b/w generations | Aug 14 10:22 |
schestowitz | Thus the danger of DRM | Aug 14 10:22 |
MinceR | cd and dvd is crap technology anyway | Aug 14 10:22 |
schestowitz | Thus the danger of copying being forbidden | Aug 14 10:22 |
anivar | schestowitz: hmm | Aug 14 10:22 |
schestowitz | Thus the danger of proprietary software and codecs | Aug 14 10:22 |
anivar | it is venky from redhat | Aug 14 10:22 |
cubezzz | how goes compact flash and SD memory cards compare? | Aug 14 10:22 |
schestowitz | Even the libraries need to shift between media types over time | Aug 14 10:22 |
cubezzz | goes=does | Aug 14 10:22 |
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schestowitz | Magnetic HDDs have lasted for a long time though | Aug 14 10:23 |
cubezzz | I was told a while ago by a video expert that some high quality magnetic tape recordings have lasted 30 years or longer | Aug 14 10:24 |
schestowitz | anivar: when I saw the original I thought it was written by somewhat who has no clue about FOSS | Aug 14 10:24 |
schestowitz | Esp. because of that fallacy that 'open source' [sic] came 10 years ago after Linus 'invented' the Linus 'operating system' [sic] | Aug 14 10:24 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: magnetic tapes are simpler | Aug 14 10:25 |
cubezzz | my LPs from the early 70's still work :) | Aug 14 10:25 |
schestowitz | They become lossy, not faulty | Aug 14 10:25 |
schestowitz | With encrypted DVD, bad data screws whole chunks if now the whole thing | Aug 14 10:25 |
schestowitz | Depends on how you divide portions to decode | Aug 14 10:26 |
anivar | schestowitz: I will respond to it. I didn't seen it before | Aug 14 10:26 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: same with my parents' | Aug 14 10:26 |
schestowitz | But it just gets noisy | Aug 14 10:26 |
schestowitz | The signal is distorted a bit | Aug 14 10:26 |
schestowitz | It's data that can be approximated | Aug 14 10:26 |
cubezzz | my Amiga disks went blank on me, before that happened I printed out all the source code I had written | Aug 14 10:28 |
cubezzz | so I guess if I really had to I could type it or use OCR on it | Aug 14 10:29 |
cubezzz | a lot of people never did that, and they lost their stuff | Aug 14 10:29 |
schestowitz | Video games sales have sunk. Good. | Aug 14 10:35 |
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schestowitz | Ouch. "Ten days ago I documented how my hosting provider deleted the wrong account and wiped sutor.com and some other sites I own. I had backups for all the files and got most everything running within a few hours, but it was a pain." http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3912 | Aug 14 10:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3912 | Aug 14 10:40 |
schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/346728/ <- red hat fix | Aug 14 10:40 |
schestowitz | The latest vulnerability some sites are hyping up is a local one only, but they mark it "critical" | Aug 14 10:41 |
schestowitz | Basically, don't allow jerks to have an account on your machine and you'l be safe. | Aug 14 10:41 |
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Diablo-D3 | dude | Aug 14 10:43 |
Diablo-D3 | you do realize | Aug 14 10:43 |
Diablo-D3 | Im the god of archiving shit, right? | Aug 14 10:43 |
Diablo-D3 | http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media | Aug 14 10:43 |
Diablo-D3 | BAM | Aug 14 10:43 |
Diablo-D3 | I'm so awesome | Aug 14 10:43 |
Diablo-D3 | I can type in "archival cd" into google and Im the first hit | Aug 14 10:44 |
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schestowitz | http://www.golem.de/0908/69002.html | Aug 14 10:55 |
cubezzz | heh | Aug 14 10:56 |
cubezzz | alas, no more kodachrome | Aug 14 10:58 |
cubezzz | which you probably know all about | Aug 14 10:58 |
Diablo-D3 | old news | Aug 14 10:58 |
cubezzz | I'm looking for a good slide scanner actually | Aug 14 10:59 |
cubezzz | something that works on Linux would be nice | Aug 14 10:59 |
Diablo-D3 | there isnt many | Aug 14 11:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @mashable BREAKING: Twitter Announces Project Retweet http://bit.ly/pDSHG | Aug 14 11:00 | |
schestowitz | "Project" = we add a button | Aug 14 11:02 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sad news from Gentoo. "In memory of Ferris E. McCormick (fmccor): trustee, developer, and friend." < http://ping.fm/Kj0hg > | Aug 14 11:10 | |
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cubezzz | yeah, optical storage doesn't seem to bad for longevity | Aug 14 11:13 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: see that url I posted above? | Aug 14 11:13 |
Diablo-D3 | read it. | Aug 14 11:13 |
Diablo-D3 | this is the kind of media you will buy if you value your data | Aug 14 11:13 |
cubezzz | yes, I just did | Aug 14 11:13 |
schestowitz | There's an element of truth here: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4648 | Aug 14 11:15 |
cubezzz | I used Maxell Pro CDRs | Aug 14 11:15 |
cubezzz | Maxell for DVD-R as well | Aug 14 11:15 |
cubezzz | and other ones occassionally | Aug 14 11:15 |
Diablo-D3 | maxell sucks | Aug 14 11:15 |
cubezzz | Maxell CD Pro's are Taiyo Yuden :) | Aug 14 11:16 |
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Diablo-D3 | ahh, they are? | Aug 14 11:17 |
Diablo-D3 | thats okay then | Aug 14 11:17 |
cubezzz | I'd have to check the media code to be 100% sure but I'm pretty sure | Aug 14 11:18 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: btw | Aug 14 11:18 |
Diablo-D3 | you do realize you're not going to get a good negative/slide scanner for under $1000 right? | Aug 14 11:18 |
cubezzz | yeah, I sort of figured that | Aug 14 11:19 |
cubezzz | Nikon was one I was thinking about | Aug 14 11:19 |
Diablo-D3 | nikon's newer models aret that great | Aug 14 11:19 |
schestowitz | "The first keynote at OpenSource World was a replacement speaker from Dell who simply went through their standard cloud computing slide deck. The hall was so empty they removed about 200-300 chairs from the back before the next speaker to keep it from looking so sparse. Not a good sign." | Aug 14 11:20 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.opennms.org/?p=1071 | Aug 14 11:20 |
schestowitz | Five reasons I prefer Opera over Firefox http://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/five-reasons-i-prefer-opera-over-firefox/ | Aug 14 11:21 |
schestowitz | If only Opera was FS... | Aug 14 11:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA at HAR2009 on Sat at 3pm by FFII working group leader Ante Wessels: http://bit.ly/1QFt30 | Aug 14 11:22 | |
schestowitz | More doubt cast: http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/08/12/red-hats-success-and-open-sources-failure/ | Aug 14 11:24 |
schestowitz | https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2009/08/13/firefox-3-about-to-get-a-major-update/ | Aug 14 11:28 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: thats old | Aug 14 11:30 |
*Diablo-D3 has been running the 3.5 branch for awhile | Aug 14 11:30 | |
schestowitz | Aye. | Aug 14 11:31 |
schestowitz | I will post some Linux news in a moment. Still going strong for FS | Aug 14 11:31 |
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Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: how much you looking to spend, btw? | Aug 14 11:34 |
schestowitz | Yay. http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3175567 | Aug 14 11:40 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: historically, the best negative/slide scanner ever was canon's fs4000 | Aug 14 11:40 |
Diablo-D3 | they dont make it anymore | Aug 14 11:40 |
Diablo-D3 | theres nikon's coolscan 4000, and they dont make that anymore either (which has been replaced with the 5000 which arguably is the same quality in a newer package) | Aug 14 11:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/archives/2009/08/did_microsoft_j.html "If you're itching to buy that hot new WinMo smartphone, go for it. Just don't act surprised when the next version of Windows Mobile turns out to be the last." | Aug 14 11:41 |
schestowitz | It confirms that this ugly hack of Windows may be dying \o/ | Aug 14 11:41 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: microsoft already did | Aug 14 11:42 |
schestowitz | Linux and iPhone/BB kill it | Aug 14 11:42 |
schestowitz | THey don't sell phone | Aug 14 11:42 |
schestowitz | They license an OS | Aug 14 11:42 |
schestowitz | Dead business model | Aug 14 11:42 |
Diablo-D3 | no, microsoft killed it | Aug 14 11:42 |
schestowitz | Next up: desktops | Aug 14 11:42 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: no | Aug 14 11:42 |
Diablo-D3 | they've already replaced it, this is widely known | Aug 14 11:42 |
schestowitz | too expensive to maintains | Aug 14 11:42 |
schestowitz | *t maintain | Aug 14 11:42 |
schestowitz | Not enough companies licensing it | Aug 14 11:43 |
schestowitz | Danger(R) | Aug 14 11:43 |
Diablo-D3 | midori. | Aug 14 11:43 |
schestowitz | Some investor told me that MSFT was gonna buy RIM | Aug 14 11:43 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: midori replaces winmo | Aug 14 11:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/08/13/are-there-too-many-linux-distros-case-in-point-hannah-montana/ | Aug 14 11:45 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: too little, too late | Aug 14 11:46 |
schestowitz | And they don't have much resources left | Aug 14 11:46 |
schestowitz | Time's tickin' | Aug 14 11:46 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: thats not what Im saying | Aug 14 11:46 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft has already ended winmo themselves | Aug 14 11:46 |
Diablo-D3 | its not because of sales | Aug 14 11:46 |
Diablo-D3 | its because they replaced it | Aug 14 11:46 |
Diablo-D3 | 7's replacement will probably also be midori | Aug 14 11:46 |
Diablo-D3 | they're going with a unified OS much like apple did with osx and iphone os | Aug 14 11:47 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: so yeah, you might as well just buy a coolscan 5000 | Aug 14 11:47 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: its your only real option | Aug 14 11:47 |
schestowitz | It's vapourware, Diablo-D3 | Aug 14 11:47 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ahem, not really | Aug 14 11:48 |
schestowitz | You're peddling the vapour | Aug 14 11:48 |
schestowitz | Yes, really | Aug 14 11:48 |
schestowitz | How many lines of code? | Aug 14 11:48 |
schestowitz | Tell me... | Aug 14 11:48 |
Diablo-D3 | an iso I have around here somewhere says otherwise. | Aug 14 11:48 |
schestowitz | It's like that so-called killer browser | Aug 14 11:48 |
schestowitz | Besides, the existence of such a replacement was denied as early as last year | Aug 14 11:48 |
schestowitz | So I think you're wrong here. Ask people who watch the Vole more closely | Aug 14 11:48 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, I know people who work deep in microsoft | Aug 14 11:49 |
Diablo-D3 | they _are_ working on new stuff thats based on the singularity research project | Aug 14 11:49 |
Diablo-D3 | I'm not saying that actually means anything: microsoft still sucks | Aug 14 11:49 |
Diablo-D3 | but people are still going to work and getting paychecks there | Aug 14 11:49 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: btw, no matter what you buy, buy a copy of vuescan | Aug 14 11:50 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: it makes all scanners work 100x less shitty | Aug 14 11:50 |
MinceR | one winmo was enough for a lifetime | Aug 14 11:50 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: vuescan works on linux too (although what it supports is up to the scanner manufacturer) | Aug 14 11:50 |
MinceR | what it does is multitasking and installing any apps... what it doesn't do is reliable phone capability, PIM functions, reliable alarms, etc. | Aug 14 11:50 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: that isnt it | Aug 14 11:51 |
MinceR | someone should finally come up with a mobile OS that doesn't suck | Aug 14 11:51 |
Diablo-D3 | winmo phones, hardwarewise, suck | Aug 14 11:51 |
MinceR | i disagree about that | Aug 14 11:51 |
Diablo-D3 | they're grossly inferior to current gen android phones | Aug 14 11:51 |
MinceR | android sucks too | Aug 14 11:51 |
Diablo-D3 | androis not too bad | Aug 14 11:51 |
MinceR | they don't even have a usable calendar app | Aug 14 11:52 |
Diablo-D3 | its better than iphone os | Aug 14 11:52 |
MinceR | and the htc dream has a digital compass and what can you use it for? a crappy street view gimmick. | Aug 14 11:52 |
MinceR | everything is better than hypePhone os | Aug 14 11:52 |
Diablo-D3 | uh, MinceR | Aug 14 11:52 |
Diablo-D3 | you do realize why those phones have that, and the 3gs has it, right?\ | Aug 14 11:52 |
MinceR | i realize what i'd use it for | Aug 14 11:53 |
Diablo-D3 | it comes with the GPS chip they're using and its used to enhance GPS | Aug 14 11:53 |
MinceR | well, android doesn't seem to enhance it much | Aug 14 11:53 |
Diablo-D3 | they don't make GPS chips without the magnetic compass anymore | Aug 14 11:53 |
MinceR | all it offers is that google maps knows where you are | Aug 14 11:53 |
Diablo-D3 | so all next gen stuff has it | Aug 14 11:53 |
Diablo-D3 | its because GPS chips are meant for GPS devices | Aug 14 11:54 |
Diablo-D3 | like the kind you have in your car | Aug 14 11:54 |
MinceR | i haven't yet found any gps device that can do both TCM and digital compass, btw | Aug 14 11:54 |
MinceR | bbl, meeting | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | I installed Vistas 7 RC1 on my Acer Aspire 7220, with these isues: | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | - 1400x900 flatscreen was recognized as a 800x600 CRT; | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | - Nvidia Geoforce 7000M GPU was recognized as a standard VGA adapter; | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | - Nvidia nForce Ethetnet adapter was not recognized at all; | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | - Atheros PCI WLAN adapter was not recognized at all. | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | I downloaded the Vista drivers from the Acer website on my Fedora 10 | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | machine (Pleunix) and copied them to a USB thumbdrive. Installed them on | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | Vista 7. However I was still unable to make any connection (neither | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | wired nor wireless) to "the Internet". | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 didn't understood that my Sitecom (Linux) wireless | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | router/firewall/switch/nat only serves as a access point and switch | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | behind another router. That is obviously too complicated for Vista 7. | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | After 12 hours I gave up and re-installed Ubuntu 9.04 on that machine. | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | My final conclusion: Vista 7 is even worst that Vista if it's not | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | preinstalled. | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | I am wondering if people are stupid enough to pay for that piece of | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | junkware. | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | Cheers | Aug 14 11:54 |
schestowitz | ///////////from Marti | Aug 14 11:54 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: its used to tell which direction your car is headed, thats all | Aug 14 11:55 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Box Shows Support Market Development Around Free Software http://ping.fm/Q6DPO | Aug 14 12:01 | |
trmanco | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XUmI7vpDsmQ/SoPIdeN1mlI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/ZeV0dxG37_0/s1600-h/GChromeOS_1_03.jpg | Aug 14 12:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Carries on Gaining Fast in Servers http://ping.fm/2GlLl | Aug 14 12:05 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dunno why but this diff to pulse client conf made me smile (the shm bit) http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/56650 | Aug 14 12:07 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux 2.6.31 Reaches Sixth Release Candidate http://ping.fm/6OglX | Aug 14 12:08 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Evaluation of SELinux http://ping.fm/Zoi2X | Aug 14 12:10 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quake Live Adds GNU/Linux Support http://ping.fm/CdSXq | Aug 14 12:12 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Powerful CLI (Terminal) Applications for GNU/Linux: an Overview http://ping.fm/akYQO | Aug 14 12:13 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: close button looks like Fistah | Aug 14 12:14 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE Gets More 3-D Acceleration http://ping.fm/Lou5E | Aug 14 12:18 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amarok Gains Amarok Integration http://ping.fm/jsq7h | Aug 14 12:19 | |
trmanco | it might be fake | Aug 14 12:24 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu 9.10 Reaches Fourth Alpha http://ping.fm/cf5I6 | Aug 14 12:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Mint 7 with Xfce Gets Good Review http://ping.fm/q7oDD | Aug 14 12:27 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: likely, given previous 'leaks' | Aug 14 12:28 |
schestowitz | But real ones must arrive at some tage | Aug 14 12:28 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Maximum PC Reviews the Linux-based (and hackable) Chumby http://ping.fm/MMKA4 | Aug 14 12:30 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ZaReason Makes More GNU/Linux Sub-notebooks Available http://ping.fm/8gGeX | Aug 14 12:33 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software for PVRs Gets Millions in Funding http://ping.fm/JL3vO | Aug 14 12:44 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Photographers Fight Police Abuse http://ping.fm/cWpP0 | Aug 14 12:46 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amazon Shows Vendor Lock-in in Literature http://ping.fm/oJYRt | Aug 14 12:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] print out and keep at all times when in public with camera http://bit.ly/HpiR8 | Aug 14 12:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Staff Fights Intellectual Monopolies on Literature http://ping.fm/31N28 http://ping.fm/CRobE | Aug 14 12:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Neo-Colonialist Copyright Police Insists on Coming http://ping.fm/Rtk6J http://ping.fm/BItFp http://ping.fm/59dlA | Aug 14 12:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Attempt to Ban Competition & Back-up Using New Laws http://ping.fm/TcQBU http://ping.fm/ZbROS | Aug 14 13:02 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patent Scum Claims to be Speaking on Behalf of Whole State http://ping.fm/Ewl0c | Aug 14 13:04 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Burning Man Accused by the EFF for Abusing Art http://ping.fm/isdqS | Aug 14 13:06 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Doesn't Give a Bleep About Software Patents http://ping.fm/9w1rQ | Aug 14 13:07 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Mobile Dead in the Water, Maybe to be Cancelled http://ping.fm/tug9h | Aug 14 13:10 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 Now in RC http://ping.fm/jYp2Z | Aug 14 13:11 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Unaffected by XML Suit http://ping.fm/Q21JE | Aug 14 13:15 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Penalised $300,000,000 http://ping.fm/8xWYx | Aug 14 13:16 | |
schestowitz | Ted Turner says media has no business showing American Flag < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPIA95SLv6g&feature=related > | Aug 14 13:33 |
schestowitz | Charlie Rose - Ted Turner < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mys_AQjM4U0&NR=1&feature=fvwp > | Aug 14 13:39 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA at HAR2009 on Sat at 3pm by FFII working group leader Ante Wessels: http://bit.ly/1QFt30 #har2009 | Aug 14 13:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz Open Document *Foundation* is marbux's weird thing. Open Document *Fellowship* is the real group. | Aug 14 14:02 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @woosang The 5 Creepiest Sex Scenes in Comics http://su.pr/6qe8FR *splutter* | Aug 14 14:12 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: I know, but others are saying the same thing (Sean Kerner for example) | Aug 14 14:28 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Review of Vista 7 and the Uncertain Future of Windows http://ping.fm/Gpk7a | Aug 14 14:52 | |
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MinceR | Diablo-D3: it's more significant when used on foot. also, i didn't really see android as being designed with car navigation in mind. | Aug 14 15:15 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you know what I mean though | Aug 14 15:15 |
Diablo-D3 | its that all these chips are being produced for those | Aug 14 15:15 |
MinceR | (another thing i missed was a proper Agenda/Today view -- i can't see how they could miss that) | Aug 14 15:15 |
Diablo-D3 | so all the manufs fazed out the much cheaper ones used in cell phones | Aug 14 15:15 |
MinceR | well, i did a little searching and i've seen 2 kinds of more serious GPS units | Aug 14 15:15 |
Diablo-D3 | so apple and android manufs get the magnetic compass no matter if they want it or not | Aug 14 15:16 |
MinceR | the ones for car navigation had traffic avoidance (TCM) but no compass | Aug 14 15:16 |
MinceR | the ones for hunting, hiking, geocaching and stuff like that had compass and barometer but no traffic avoidance (TCM) | Aug 14 15:16 |
MinceR | these GPS chips with compass are new stuff, aren't they? | Aug 14 15:16 |
Diablo-D3 | mildly | Aug 14 15:17 |
Diablo-D3 | its been in the past gen or two | Aug 14 15:17 |
MinceR | maybe i should wait with buying a GPS then | Aug 14 15:17 |
MinceR | :) | Aug 14 15:17 |
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Diablo-D3 | well, new 3gs iphones have it, and some android phones have it | Aug 14 15:17 |
Diablo-D3 | so instant on foot gps. | Aug 14 15:17 |
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Balrog | schestowitz: those using PACER should take a look at this: https://www.recapthelaw.org/ | Aug 14 15:26 |
LOL, Marti might have done better with Sarge. -> schestowitz: I installed Vistas 7 RC1 on my Acer Aspire 7220, with these isues ... | Aug 14 15:29 | |
Got a link for that? | Aug 14 15:29 | |
how much has changed between RC1 and RTM? | Aug 14 15:30 | |
schestowitz | Not sure | Aug 14 15:33 |
schestowitz | Balrog: e-mail this to pj2#groklaw | Aug 14 15:34 |
schestowitz | She'd appreciate it, I think | Aug 14 15:34 |
Balrog | All right. | Aug 14 15:36 |
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schestowitz | AP Almost Gets Something Right... But Then Gets It Wrong < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090813/1927355876.shtml > | Aug 14 16:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell’s New Ads Against Red Hat http://ping.fm/KaM51 | Aug 14 16:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Time to Say Bye-Bye to Google Knol?" http://ping.fm/YpgLA Remember it?? The so-called Wikipedia killer? | Aug 14 16:23 | |
schestowitz | Lenovo recalls faulty Thinkpad batteries < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529234/lenovo-recalls-faulty-thinkpad-batteries > | Aug 14 16:23 |
schestowitz | Priest used webcam to groom Aussie detectives < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529211/priest-webcam-groom-aussie-detectives > | Aug 14 16:24 |
schestowitz | "The IBM AS/400 was used by him and select other employees to print out fake account statements. What they would do was punch in fake trades on the IBM AS/400 and enter share prices that would square with his consistent but imaginary returns on the billions that customers entrusted to his firm." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529209/an-as-400-critical-madoff-ponzi-scheme | Aug 14 16:25 |
Diablo-D3 | ironic | Aug 14 16:26 |
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Diablo-D3 | during ww2 IBM sold calculators to hitler to keep track of the jews | Aug 14 16:27 |
Diablo-D3 | many years later, a jew uses a gigantic calculator to keep track of.... something | Aug 14 16:27 |
MinceR | i wonder why did Inq only try to call the tech support line and not some sort of PR line. | Aug 14 16:32 |
schestowitz | IBM is a business | Aug 14 16:35 |
schestowitz | It sells stuff | Aug 14 16:36 |
schestowitz | If your company sells something, then they say it's good for society | Aug 14 16:36 |
schestowitz | The Bush dynasty sold parts of weapons to the Nazis too | Aug 14 16:36 |
schestowitz | But that's another story. You could go in talking about arms that were given to the Taliban and Iraq (guess by who?). | Aug 14 16:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] the direction finder you never knew how much you needed until you saw it http://ruletheweb.co.uk/pubstop/ | Aug 14 16:38 | |
schestowitz | It is generally a good example to show people that they *should* care about corporations' effects on the environment, politics, social lives, etc. | Aug 14 16:39 |
schestowitz | This is kitschy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8197159.stm | Aug 14 16:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Pirate [sic] Party UK is gaining 100 members per hour right now. It's about reform of intellectual monopolies, not looting, | Aug 14 16:44 | |
schestowitz | Gah! "Nuke-nobbler raygun 747 scores 'surrogate' test success" | Aug 14 16:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch how investment in Boeing helps towards destruction of our race with nuclear weaponry < http://ping.fm/jNQYz > | Aug 14 16:46 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] you must view source on this page. http://www.fujinonbinos.com/ EIGHT POINT DAMN YOU! | Aug 14 16:46 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Little scandal in the Open Rights Group... privacy concerns overplayed by the freedom-hostile Orlowski, as usual. | Aug 14 16:49 | |
schestowitz | Novell is killing PlateSpin, still.. http://www.vancouversun.com/template+taking+time/829302/story.html | Aug 14 17:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz orlowski's been called out on one lie already. watch for no correction whatsoever. | Aug 14 17:15 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz the greens have stated the accusations are complete lies as well btw. | Aug 14 17:15 | |
schestowitz | http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=447531 "Microsoft Corp. on Wednesday defended its right to make contributions to open-source software while also enforcing its patents when it wants to extract royalty payments for the technology's use by other firms." | Aug 14 17:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: why would Orlowski correct anything for those damn "freetards" he loves do much? ;-) Thumbs down to El Reg | Aug 14 17:20 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting ready to head to see @tonywhitmore @ciemon @lauracowen and @daviey for another fun packed Ubuntu UK Podcast recording @uupc | Aug 14 17:35 | |
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schestowitz | Whoa. http://www.google.com/search?q=site:twitter.com+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Aug 14 17:49 |
schestowitz | 130 milion pages indexed | Aug 14 17:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] PACER users - free the law for all! https://www.recapthelaw.org/ | Aug 14 17:49 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nice way to announce vacation. "I'm away from any sort of keyboard from now until the 28th." http://ping.fm/kMW8d | Aug 14 17:49 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: West fights for democracy, justice and marital rape in Afghanistan http://notnews.today.com/?p=600 | Aug 14 17:56 | |
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schestowitz | Mitsubishi iMiEV five-door e-car < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/14/review_e_car_mitsubishi_imiev/ > | Aug 14 18:02 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Workers lifted my car, painted yellow lines under it and put it down... then the wardens came and towed it away" http://ping.fm/3YcYI?85 | Aug 14 18:05 | |
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wispygalaxy | hey everyone :) | Aug 14 18:20 |
wispygalaxy | the room's not too busy today... | Aug 14 18:20 |
schestowitz | Hey | Aug 14 18:21 |
wispygalaxy | hi roy! | Aug 14 18:22 |
wispygalaxy | how's everything | Aug 14 18:22 |
wispygalaxy | i have to go back to school a week from sunday :( | Aug 14 18:23 |
schestowitz | Yeah, well... for most people it's the end of some vacation | Aug 14 18:23 |
wispygalaxy | so i'm going shopping tomorrow for stuff | Aug 14 18:23 |
wispygalaxy | noooo i luv vacation :P | Aug 14 18:23 |
wispygalaxy | i have to go to the beach one more time before summer ends | Aug 14 18:24 |
wispygalaxy | i didn't go while i was in germany | Aug 14 18:24 |
schestowitz | Tan doesn't last long | Aug 14 18:24 |
wispygalaxy | i got a great tan so far | Aug 14 18:25 |
schestowitz | Kamp mod Microsoftskatten http://phk.freebsd.dk/MicrosoftSkat/ | Aug 14 18:25 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: send us photos then ! :-p | Aug 14 18:26 |
wispygalaxy | haha ;) | Aug 14 18:26 |
ThistleWeb | rofl all I see is Microsoft scat | Aug 14 18:26 |
wispygalaxy | thanks for the link, roy | Aug 14 18:26 |
ThistleWeb | kinda appropriate methinks | Aug 14 18:26 |
ThistleWeb | I love the Danes | Aug 14 18:27 |
wispygalaxy | i'd like to go to denmark | Aug 14 18:27 |
schestowitz | Is New Scientist down? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327206.300-robots-to-get-their-own-operating-system.html | Aug 14 18:28 |
ThistleWeb | I'm guessing Skat in Danish does not mean the same as scat in English | Aug 14 18:28 |
wispygalaxy | robotOS, that's cute | Aug 14 18:28 |
wispygalaxy | lol, ThistleWeb | Aug 14 18:28 |
ThistleWeb | mind you, if it's connected to freebsd, then maybe it does | Aug 14 18:29 |
schestowitz | So the URL works for you? | Aug 14 18:30 |
schestowitz | Heh. Now I can't even reach their server | Aug 14 18:31 |
schestowitz | It gets worse | Aug 14 18:31 |
ThistleWeb | the MS scat link works for me if thats who you meant | Aug 14 18:31 |
schestowitz | Nice to know even VERY large sites can't maintain excellent uptime | Aug 14 18:31 |
ThistleWeb | I saw the story on slashdot earlier | Aug 14 18:31 |
wispygalaxy | sry roy, the newscientist link doesn't load for me | Aug 14 18:31 |
schestowitz | Same here. I put it in BN days ago, but. | Aug 14 18:31 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: new scientist needs new plans then | Aug 14 18:32 |
ThistleWeb | nor me | Aug 14 18:32 |
wispygalaxy | yes roy | Aug 14 18:32 |
ThistleWeb | windows server lol | Aug 14 18:32 |
wispygalaxy | ewww | Aug 14 18:32 |
schestowitz | Is it... let's see | Aug 14 18:32 |
ThistleWeb | the solution to all their problems | Aug 14 18:32 |
ThistleWeb | or cause of them | Aug 14 18:32 |
wispygalaxy | i hear that linux job opportunities are up | Aug 14 18:33 |
wispygalaxy | that's good news for me :) | Aug 14 18:33 |
schestowitz | http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=newscientist.com | Aug 14 18:33 |
schestowitz | It runs GNU/Linux | Aug 14 18:33 |
ThistleWeb | I spotted a linux snr network admin job the other day. but it's way above my skills | Aug 14 18:33 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: true, true... | Aug 14 18:33 |
schestowitz | Try Google | Aug 14 18:33 |
wispygalaxy | i'm still learning, need more practice | Aug 14 18:33 |
wispygalaxy | what languages should i learn? | Aug 14 18:33 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: grow a beard, be called "senior" | Aug 14 18:33 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: depends on jpb | Aug 14 18:34 |
ThistleWeb | I was thinking of practice Spanish and applying for dual nationality | Aug 14 18:34 |
ThistleWeb | depends what you want to do | Aug 14 18:34 |
wispygalaxy | spanish is good to learn | Aug 14 18:34 |
wispygalaxy | ok roy, i guess i'll learn bash or something like that | Aug 14 18:34 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb misled us... saying the scientists would choose Windows... :-p | Aug 14 18:34 |
ThistleWeb | apparently Java is pretty much king on servers | Aug 14 18:34 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: job market's horrible in SPain | Aug 14 18:35 |
wispygalaxy | good, i'm learning java | Aug 14 18:35 |
schestowitz | Construction, bricks and farming.. | Aug 14 18:35 |
wispygalaxy | yes, high unemployment in spain | Aug 14 18:35 |
schestowitz | SO I hear from a Spanish mate | Aug 14 18:35 |
wispygalaxy | like 19% i think? | Aug 14 18:35 |
ThistleWeb | I kinda like the sound of ruby on rails after listening the FLOSS weekly interview | Aug 14 18:35 |
schestowitz | Wow. 19% is very high | Aug 14 18:35 |
schestowitz | US doesn't state its own | Aug 14 18:35 |
ThistleWeb | php / mysql is HUGE in web dev | Aug 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | They keep changing definitions | Aug 14 18:36 |
wispygalaxy | i feel bad for them | Aug 14 18:36 |
ThistleWeb | I speak a little spanish but not much | Aug 14 18:36 |
wispygalaxy | then there is underemployement | Aug 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | We're an overpopulated planet | Aug 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | It's no taboo to say it | Aug 14 18:36 |
wispygalaxy | uh oh | Aug 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | Birth control is needed now | Aug 14 18:36 |
ThistleWeb | donde esta el banio is a handy one when you have a full bladder and can;'t see a loo | Aug 14 18:36 |
wispygalaxy | haha | Aug 14 18:37 |
ThistleWeb | or the inbetween one, dos cervesas por favor | Aug 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mys_AQjM4U0 | Aug 14 18:37 |
ThistleWeb | to help you get intot he state where your bladder needs urgent attention | Aug 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | Ted Turner on Charlie Rose's show | Aug 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | He also speaks about global warming and stuff he was skeptic about | Aug 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | POpulation excesss | Aug 14 18:38 |
wispygalaxy | i've seen charlie rose a couple of times | Aug 14 18:38 |
wispygalaxy | pbs is not on my TV anymore... | Aug 14 18:38 |
wispygalaxy | comcast is now making us get a box to see certain channels | Aug 14 18:38 |
ThistleWeb | language wise I wouldn't waste time learning anything proprietary or anything tied to one platform | Aug 14 18:39 |
wispygalaxy | no .NET for me or C# | Aug 14 18:39 |
ThistleWeb | python is apparently a great language for flexability, cross platform, multi-toolkits and easy to learn | Aug 14 18:39 |
schestowitz | Nor for anyone.. | Aug 14 18:39 |
ThistleWeb | more and more apps seem to be built in python, desktop and web apps | Aug 14 18:40 |
wispygalaxy | i'm hearing good stuff about the open languages | Aug 14 18:40 |
wispygalaxy | python is good for beginners, right? | Aug 14 18:40 |
schestowitz | Amarok took down xine when it crahed | Aug 14 18:40 |
ThistleWeb | even if you only build for linux, an additional build for windows or osx would be simple | Aug 14 18:40 |
schestowitz | Anyway to repair this without restarting the DE? | Aug 14 18:40 |
ThistleWeb | apparently yes | Aug 14 18:40 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: no idea | Aug 14 18:40 |
wispygalaxy | cross-platform is important these days.. that's why virtualization is growing | Aug 14 18:41 |
schestowitz | Audio servers can be annoyingf | Aug 14 18:41 |
wispygalaxy | poor amarok lol | Aug 14 18:41 |
ThistleWeb | ya have to look at resources for learning too, and python apparently shines there too | Aug 14 18:41 |
wispygalaxy | google uses it a lot | Aug 14 18:41 |
ThistleWeb | tutorials etc | Aug 14 18:41 |
wispygalaxy | there are too many old (at least 10 years) visual basic books at my local library | Aug 14 18:42 |
wispygalaxy | there are some java, perl, and c++ books | Aug 14 18:42 |
schestowitz | You can use it online | Aug 14 18:42 |
ThistleWeb | I like how python can build with a variety of tool kits, so the final end product can fit naturally into GTK, QT, OSX, Win32 etc and be native | Aug 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | With a shell and editors | Aug 14 18:43 |
wispygalaxy | roy, do you know VB? | Aug 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | Books are old and you can't take them with you like the saving of files | Aug 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | You can't try code for yourself, either | Aug 14 18:43 |
ThistleWeb | I guess that can also happen with other languages too | Aug 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | People sttil cling onto limitations of books | Aug 14 18:43 |
wispygalaxy | python is designed well | Aug 14 18:43 |
wispygalaxy | online tutorials are great, they update frequently | Aug 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | But, wispygalaxy, you're too young to fall for the illusion that books are better | Aug 14 18:43 |
wispygalaxy | but i hate reading from a computer screen | Aug 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | We ought to be a paperless generation | Aug 14 18:44 |
ThistleWeb | it depends on where you want to code | Aug 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | Also working via wires | Aug 14 18:44 |
wispygalaxy | paper kills trees :( | Aug 14 18:44 |
wispygalaxy | and wireless | Aug 14 18:44 |
wispygalaxy | ;) | Aug 14 18:44 |
ThistleWeb | if you wanna code web apps like drupal or wordpress php is king | Aug 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it's just syntax | Aug 14 18:44 |
wispygalaxy | wires are old stuff | Aug 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | I could do some VB given the syntax | Aug 14 18:44 |
wispygalaxy | i was interested in php a while back | Aug 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | But principles count, not language | Aug 14 18:44 |
wispygalaxy | but i'm learning SQL now | Aug 14 18:44 |
wispygalaxy | you love java, right roy | Aug 14 18:45 |
ThistleWeb | the reason most web apps are in php is that many more peeps know php, so there's no shortage of potential help | Aug 14 18:45 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: wireless too can probably kill brain cells | Aug 14 18:45 |
wispygalaxy | yikes | Aug 14 18:45 |
wispygalaxy | but it's less clutter :P | Aug 14 18:45 |
schestowitz | Or make them expand too fast and divide too much | Aug 14 18:45 |
ThistleWeb | not that it's the best for the job | Aug 14 18:45 |
wispygalaxy | php has a good community | Aug 14 18:45 |
schestowitz | USSR has good communism | Aug 14 18:46 |
ThistleWeb | listen to the ruby on rails interview on floss weekly | Aug 14 18:46 |
wispygalaxy | who knows ruby here? | Aug 14 18:46 |
wispygalaxy | TW, and who else? | Aug 14 18:46 |
ThistleWeb | I dont know any languages, but I have tried to look into trying to learn some from time to time | Aug 14 18:47 |
wispygalaxy | oh ok | Aug 14 18:47 |
ThistleWeb | I like drupal, so knowing php would be very helpful | Aug 14 18:47 |
schestowitz | Ravi is sort of almost just about back... http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2009/08/kde-43-released-with-incremental.html | Aug 14 18:47 |
ThistleWeb | ruby on rails sounds very interesting by that interview | Aug 14 18:48 |
ThistleWeb | I keep hearing good stuff about python | Aug 14 18:48 |
wispygalaxy | my teachers said that it is good that i know a language- businesses are using computers more and more in analyzing data | Aug 14 18:48 |
schestowitz | FLOSS Weekly, ThistleWeb ? | Aug 14 18:48 |
schestowitz | HDD? | Aug 14 18:48 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: yes | Aug 14 18:48 |
schestowitz | DHH | Aug 14 18:48 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: he's more pretentious than Linus | Aug 14 18:48 |
wispygalaxy | go for ruby, i hear it's good too | Aug 14 18:48 |
ThistleWeb | leo? | Aug 14 18:49 |
schestowitz | I only use Ruby | Aug 14 18:49 |
wispygalaxy | linus had a beef with alan cox, i hear | Aug 14 18:49 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no, David | Aug 14 18:49 |
ThistleWeb | k | Aug 14 18:49 |
schestowitz | Leo is cool. | Aug 14 18:49 |
ThistleWeb | I think that interview was just randall and him | Aug 14 18:49 |
ThistleWeb | offhand | Aug 14 18:49 |
ThistleWeb | I never knew what ruby was or ruby on rails, before that interview | Aug 14 18:50 |
wispygalaxy | rail is the framework, am i right? | Aug 14 18:51 |
wispygalaxy | rails* | Aug 14 18:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] lambeth council gets creative http://is.gd/2gWwg (warning: Daily Mail) | Aug 14 18:51 | |
ThistleWeb | my understanding is that there are a lot of defaults set up, so you can refer to them, without having to define them | Aug 14 18:51 |
wispygalaxy | roy, what did i miss while i was gone? | Aug 14 18:51 |
wispygalaxy | on vacation, i mean | Aug 14 18:52 |
ThistleWeb | like the name of the primary key in the database will always be the same | Aug 14 18:52 |
wispygalaxy | yes, that is convenient TW | Aug 14 18:52 |
ThistleWeb | with RoR you know that, so you can just get on with it, where others like php allow devs to name their own, which makes integration dificult | Aug 14 18:52 |
ThistleWeb | or can do | Aug 14 18:52 |
ThistleWeb | he sets those defaults | Aug 14 18:53 |
ThistleWeb | those are the rails | Aug 14 18:53 |
ThistleWeb | at first I thought that would be a bad thing, but during that interview I turned my opinions round, to thinking that could be a good thing | Aug 14 18:53 |
wispygalaxy | all the work is done for you on rails, i see :) | Aug 14 18:53 |
schestowitz | What a bunch of pillocks. They tested SSDs on 'operating systems', but left Linux out of the benchmark... http://features.techworld.com/storage/108317/which-operating-system-is-best-for-ssds/ | Aug 14 18:54 |
ThistleWeb | the downside is that as long as you're doing normal stuff, RoR is great, but if you want to start going beyond that, RoR may hold you back | Aug 14 18:54 |
ThistleWeb | kinda, its the defining of things that's done for you | Aug 14 18:54 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: you missed not much | Aug 14 18:54 |
schestowitz | No drama in BNland | Aug 14 18:54 |
wispygalaxy | trolls not bugging you? | Aug 14 18:55 |
wispygalaxy | good :) | Aug 14 18:55 |
ThistleWeb | so you can just refer to the defined object | Aug 14 18:55 |
wispygalaxy | ror is good for simple stuff? | Aug 14 18:55 |
ThistleWeb | rather than have to spend time defining it yourself every time | Aug 14 18:55 |
wispygalaxy | i like that TW | Aug 14 18:55 |
schestowitz | RoR is hailed by a friend from Manc | Aug 14 18:55 |
ThistleWeb | well, that's maybe harsh but yes | Aug 14 18:55 |
schestowitz | It's good for building apps fast | Aug 14 18:55 |
schestowitz | Just like PHP/MySQL, only better | Aug 14 18:55 |
schestowitz | If the claims are true | Aug 14 18:56 |
ThistleWeb | I was amazed at what sites were RoR | Aug 14 18:56 |
ThistleWeb | Aug 14 18:56 | |
schestowitz | Yes | Aug 14 18:56 |
schestowitz | Scales badly | Aug 14 18:56 |
schestowitz | For other reasons | Aug 14 18:56 |
schestowitz | Polling | Aug 14 18:56 |
schestowitz | Too many connections | Aug 14 18:56 |
wispygalaxy | twitter uses RoR? | Aug 14 18:56 |
schestowitz | Same issues in Digg.com | Aug 14 18:56 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes | Aug 14 18:56 |
wispygalaxy | cool | Aug 14 18:56 |
schestowitz | brb | Aug 14 18:56 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: apparently that's not the case anymore, apparently is scales fine now | Aug 14 18:56 |
wispygalaxy | RoR is miles ahead of .NET, we can agree on that haha | Aug 14 18:57 |
ThistleWeb | going by that interview, RoR got a justified, but bad name early on and has found it hard to shift, even though it's a totally different beast now | Aug 14 18:57 |
ThistleWeb | urbandictionary is RoR too | Aug 14 18:57 |
wispygalaxy | heh i discovered urbandictionary 5 years ago | Aug 14 18:57 |
ThistleWeb | look on the ror site | Aug 14 18:58 |
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schestowitz | ThistleWeb: usually, yes | Aug 14 18:58 |
schestowitz | They changed something like 3 months ago | Aug 14 18:58 |
ThistleWeb | they have a page of sites that are built on RoR | Aug 14 18:58 |
schestowitz | But I had already ditched them cause of their scalability issues | Aug 14 18:58 |
wispygalaxy | i discovered urbandictionary from a kid in my class who threatened to define his friend on that site | Aug 14 18:58 |
schestowitz | Shame really... their server issues lost me as a user for good | Aug 14 18:58 |
ThistleWeb | like I said, I'm only going by that interview | Aug 14 18:59 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: common prank | Aug 14 18:59 |
wispygalaxy | haha but they were playing around | Aug 14 18:59 |
wispygalaxy | urbandictionary is great for looking up internet lingo | Aug 14 19:00 |
wispygalaxy | i don't keep up with memes, it's a waste of time | Aug 14 19:00 |
wispygalaxy | so i look them up on urbandictionary if i get confused | Aug 14 19:01 |
ThistleWeb | I'm kinda partial to drupal for sites though, so I see others through that lens | Aug 14 19:01 |
schestowitz | I've never used Drupal | Aug 14 19:01 |
schestowitz | I used many CMSes, but never Drupal | Aug 14 19:01 |
ThistleWeb | it's rare that I see a site that I reckon couldn't be built in Drupal | Aug 14 19:01 |
ThistleWeb | drupal is awesome | Aug 14 19:01 |
ThistleWeb | not perfect by any stretch, but it's awesome | Aug 14 19:02 |
schestowitz | It would serve well for content management | Aug 14 19:02 |
schestowitz | BN now has a Wiki for fuild structure | Aug 14 19:02 |
ThistleWeb | yeah, the range of content typse is amazing | Aug 14 19:02 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: back around March you said you might help with Comes exhibits | Aug 14 19:02 |
schestowitz | I still have that written down among Comes notes | Aug 14 19:02 |
wispygalaxy | yeah, i think so | Aug 14 19:03 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: PHP-Nuke is good too, but not maintained now | Aug 14 19:03 |
wispygalaxy | i'll try getting around to that, once i go back to school | Aug 14 19:03 |
ThistleWeb | yeah I heard enough about nuke to avoid it | Aug 14 19:03 |
wispygalaxy | i know wallclimber is helping too | Aug 14 19:03 |
schestowitz | Next up, Jason's site (QUOTES in ME AND UBUNTU) I need to carry on from "Steve Winfield" onwards | Aug 14 19:04 |
wispygalaxy | the digg gang (wallclimber, me, roy) is here :P | Aug 14 19:04 |
schestowitz | There's lots of more material to pick from ther | Aug 14 19:04 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yeah, the ladies seem to help the most around here :-) | Aug 14 19:04 |
schestowitz | And then there's PJ... | Aug 14 19:04 |
wispygalaxy | well, we like helping you ;) | Aug 14 19:04 |
wispygalaxy | since you are so nice to us... | Aug 14 19:05 |
schestowitz | Me? Nnnnoooo. | Aug 14 19:05 |
wispygalaxy | roy, don't be so bashful haha | Aug 14 19:05 |
wispygalaxy | girl power! | Aug 14 19:05 |
wispygalaxy | PJ is cool | Aug 14 19:05 |
schestowitz | I think she's having server issues | Aug 14 19:06 |
schestowitz | Although it's resolved, they say | Aug 14 19:06 |
wispygalaxy | how can she dish out the dirt then?! | Aug 14 19:06 |
schestowitz | Groklaw has slown down since December | Aug 14 19:06 |
schestowitz | Groklaw has many active members | Aug 14 19:06 |
schestowitz | They share it using comments and E-mail | Aug 14 19:06 |
schestowitz | Not IRC there | Aug 14 19:06 |
schestowitz | *No | Aug 14 19:06 |
wispygalaxy | IRC is fast | Aug 14 19:06 |
wispygalaxy | usenet can slow down conversations at times | Aug 14 19:07 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I assume you saw the BBC article about MS questioning the maths behind Firefox download numbers | Aug 14 19:07 |
wispygalaxy | i'll try to head back to Comp.os.linux.advocacy soon, though | Aug 14 19:07 |
wispygalaxy | MS is just bitching again lol | Aug 14 19:07 |
ThistleWeb | aka "pot meets kettle" | Aug 14 19:07 |
wispygalaxy | they are hatin' on OSS | Aug 14 19:08 |
ThistleWeb | actually I think it was the guardian | Aug 14 19:08 |
ThistleWeb | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/13/microsoft-internet | Aug 14 19:09 |
wispygalaxy | thanks, TW | Aug 14 19:10 |
ThistleWeb | np | Aug 14 19:10 |
ThistleWeb | you know the backlash against IE6 and MS announcing they will continue to support it until 2014.....if it followed standards this wouldn't be a story, as all apps that peeps use would work in any browser | Aug 14 19:11 |
ThistleWeb | MS seem quiet on that one | Aug 14 19:11 |
wispygalaxy | ie6 is a disaster | Aug 14 19:11 |
wispygalaxy | seriously, who do people torture themselves like that?! | Aug 14 19:12 |
wispygalaxy | why* | Aug 14 19:12 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I didn't see it | Aug 14 19:12 |
ThistleWeb | all the while trumpeting how IE8 is more standards compliant than any other browser, and pointing peeps to the "IE get the facts" propaganda | Aug 14 19:12 |
schestowitz | But given that they cite MSBBC staff like Highfield on both sides, it would be expected | Aug 14 19:12 |
schestowitz | http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/08/12/img-mgmt-the-nine-eyes-of-google-street-view/ | Aug 14 19:12 |
ThistleWeb | there's a story about MS continueing support of IE6 despite the developer backlash | Aug 14 19:13 |
schestowitz | IE6 is so alien that compatibility nightmares were made | Aug 14 19:13 |
ThistleWeb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8196242.stm | Aug 14 19:13 |
schestowitz | Some things were made dependent on a browser from another planet | Aug 14 19:13 |
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schestowitz | ThistleWeb: "Maggie Shiels "Enough said | Aug 14 19:13 |
ThistleWeb | their answer "Microsoft would prefer people to move to IE8" | Aug 14 19:14 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/zombies-are-a-windows-problem/ | Aug 14 19:14 |
wispygalaxy | i guess MS doesn't care about developers this time :P | Aug 14 19:14 |
MinceR | they never did | Aug 14 19:14 |
ThistleWeb | "We want people to have the best experience they can have on Microsoft software," said Ms Barzdukas. | Aug 14 19:14 |
schestowitz | Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers [just not Web Developers ] | Aug 14 19:14 |
MinceR | they don't even know what developers are | Aug 14 19:14 |
ThistleWeb | key part "on Microsoft software" | Aug 14 19:14 |
MinceR | ballmer probably confuses them with marketers and lawyers | Aug 14 19:14 |
wispygalaxy | getting involved with MS technologies will give anyone a headache | Aug 14 19:15 |
DaemonFC | sure they are | Aug 14 19:15 |
schestowitz | Shiels is always doing those nasty Microsoft adverts | Aug 14 19:15 |
DaemonFC | it's all about .Net anymore | Aug 14 19:15 |
schestowitz | Rory is another | Aug 14 19:15 |
ThistleWeb | I do often think MS employs more lawyers, marketers and lobbyists than developers | Aug 14 19:15 |
DaemonFC | more an more programs I run into depend on the .Net runtimes | Aug 14 19:15 |
wispygalaxy | MS should stop the astroturfing and focus on the technology... | Aug 14 19:16 |
ThistleWeb | IE6 will hopefully have one positive outcome though | Aug 14 19:16 |
schestowitz | Hachamovitch is one of those Microsoft minion who think they were for the "Good Guys" | Aug 14 19:16 |
wispygalaxy | IE did make me switch to firefox :) | Aug 14 19:16 |
schestowitz | These people broke the Web deliberately | Aug 14 19:16 |
schestowitz | And then they play innocent and mock those who try to restore a standards-based Web | Aug 14 19:17 |
wispygalaxy | it's funny, because they accuse linux of not following standards and being "messy" with lots of distros and options | Aug 14 19:17 |
ThistleWeb | peeps who were sold on the fantasy of a MS / IE specific app setup have now had years of headaches and are stuck with IE6 without a lot of time and money to build away from it, so they are not likely to build a lockin version of the new apps to replace them | Aug 14 19:17 |
ThistleWeb | they will build to standards, so the app works on sveral browsers | Aug 14 19:18 |
ThistleWeb | several* | Aug 14 19:18 |
ThistleWeb | which means MS lose their lock-in | Aug 14 19:18 |
wispygalaxy | they can't accept the fact that other platforms are rising in popularity | Aug 14 19:18 |
DaemonFC | the only thing I can see that hints at how much Microsoft charges to license PlayReady says $10,000 for each major version of a covered product | Aug 14 19:18 |
ThistleWeb | peeps who spend years in a box, trying to find a way out of it, don't build a new box to get into | Aug 14 19:18 |
DaemonFC | I still have no idea how much these TV stations and movie studios pay for it | Aug 14 19:19 |
ThistleWeb | specially if the sellers of the new box are the sellers of the old box, using the same promises | Aug 14 19:19 |
wispygalaxy | now, it is easy to switch to better OSS technology. good thing i never learned MS stuff. i jumped right into java | Aug 14 19:19 |
wispygalaxy | kids these days are opening their eyes to better stuff | Aug 14 19:19 |
ThistleWeb | Java is apparenty quite nice these days | Aug 14 19:19 |
wispygalaxy | my friends either use java or python | Aug 14 19:19 |
wispygalaxy | they don't know VB, C#, etc | Aug 14 19:20 |
ThistleWeb | I've had a little experience as an end user and was NOT impressed in the slightest | Aug 14 19:20 |
ThistleWeb | maybe it was a bad time for Java | Aug 14 19:20 |
ThistleWeb | but it put me off | Aug 14 19:20 |
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wispygalaxy | java is strong now, it's easy for me- i'm a finance major :P | Aug 14 19:20 |
fewa | look at this: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/14/1457257/Dell-Says-High-Linux-Netbook-Returns-a-Non-Issue | Aug 14 19:21 |
ThistleWeb | I think of the MS dominated world as a smoke filled room you dont realise you're in, until someone opens a door you never saw and some fresh air gets in | Aug 14 19:21 |
wispygalaxy | so true haha | Aug 14 19:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.ghacks.net/2009/08/14/get-to-know-linux-terminology/ | Aug 14 19:21 |
ThistleWeb | after you get a sniff of real fresh air, you notice the smoke | Aug 14 19:21 |
fewa | slashdot sides with Microsoft claims in the title even though Dell says they are false | Aug 14 19:21 |
wispygalaxy | i was so complacent with XP and ie6 until i saw ubuntu | Aug 14 19:21 |
ThistleWeb | you notice that you're coughing a lot | Aug 14 19:21 |
wispygalaxy | i never looked back | Aug 14 19:21 |
fewa | who would have the actual numbers? | Aug 14 19:21 |
ThistleWeb | but after you've stepped outside and experienced real fresh air, you don't want to step back inside | Aug 14 19:22 |
wispygalaxy | i never believed the return rate story, bunch of BS to scare people form Linux | Aug 14 19:22 |
wispygalaxy | from* | Aug 14 19:22 |
schestowitz | fewa: well, it's /. | Aug 14 19:22 |
schestowitz | It's not a FOSS site | Aug 14 19:22 |
ThistleWeb | I reckon plenty of peeps have been miss sold netbooks | Aug 14 19:23 |
schestowitz | Run by marketers of companies | Aug 14 19:23 |
wispygalaxy | Oss and choice are a breath of fresh air! | Aug 14 19:23 |
ThistleWeb | sold on the fact that it's a cheaper windows, without the sales staff correcting them | Aug 14 19:23 |
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schestowitz | Russia's authorities investigate this | Aug 14 19:23 |
schestowitz | But Microsoft will get away with another wave of white-collar crime | Aug 14 19:23 |
wispygalaxy | no, it's a better windows lol | Aug 14 19:23 |
schestowitz | They always do | Aug 14 19:23 |
ThistleWeb | or being told by the sales staff that, if the customer can only afford the cheaper linux version, and would rather get the sale | Aug 14 19:23 |
fewa | ThistleWeb, yeah Asus did a horrible job at distributing Linux | Aug 14 19:24 |
ThistleWeb | or even peeps being told "it's not windows", then not being willing to learn a different interface | Aug 14 19:24 |
ThistleWeb | yep, the choice of distro plays into it too | Aug 14 19:24 |
wispygalaxy | i think there should be time spent getting the customer up to speed on the alternatives, people will be put off by unfamiliar apps only if they are not educated on them | Aug 14 19:24 |
ThistleWeb | netbooks with terrible distros dont help | Aug 14 19:24 |
ThistleWeb | zandros FFS? | Aug 14 19:25 |
ThistleWeb | WTF?? | Aug 14 19:25 |
DaemonFC | I tried gOS out after all, it's not awful, not great either | Aug 14 19:25 |
ThistleWeb | I understand ASUS's original ideas, as they pioneered the genre | Aug 14 19:25 |
fewa | FUCK | Aug 14 19:25 |
fewa | http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/08/14/1158247/Firefox-Plugin-Liberates-Paywalled-Court-Records | Aug 14 19:25 |
wispygalaxy | i forgot about gOS, i remember seeing a video on it | Aug 14 19:25 |
DaemonFC | there's no 64-bit edition, it did surprise me by playing DVD's though | Aug 14 19:25 |
fewa | that was exactly my idea | Aug 14 19:25 |
fewa | I was getting a pacer account for that very reason :P | Aug 14 19:25 |
wispygalaxy | linux mint is good if you want codecs | Aug 14 19:25 |
ThistleWeb | but since then, a whole host of different distros now run great on netbooks, most better than what the vendors give you | Aug 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | Bit of good news for fighters against censorship: http://blogs.computerworld.com/14548/green_dam_will_not_be_mandatory_china_says | Aug 14 19:26 |
wispygalaxy | ubuntu remix | Aug 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | But AU become copyright cop at ISP level | Aug 14 19:26 |
ThistleWeb | I love Linux Mint | Aug 14 19:26 |
wispygalaxy | my friend loves it | Aug 14 19:26 |
ThistleWeb | I keep switching between Mint and Crunchbang | Aug 14 19:26 |
wispygalaxy | i saw screenshots of crunchbang, looks cool | Aug 14 19:27 |
DaemonFC | "Perhaps most shocking are items such as the list submitted by D.C. Attorney Ronald L. Drake who decided he wasn't being paid on time by the D.C. schools and thus raised his rates retroactively from $390/hour to $425/hour, submitting as evidence the names, home addresses, ages and social security numbers of 67 children." | Aug 14 19:27 |
wispygalaxy | i heard about the Australian censorship | Aug 14 19:27 |
DaemonFC | fucking lawyers | Aug 14 19:27 |
DaemonFC | pardon my french, but that's as low as you can get | Aug 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090813/1544075868.shtml | Aug 14 19:27 |
wispygalaxy | lawyers will do anything for money | Aug 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | "There's been a push by people both inside and outside the government to get public court documents out to the public. As it stands now, most court documents can be found via PACER, the court system's own online service, which charges $0.08 per page." | Aug 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86819/australian-law-proposal-to-turn-isps-into-copyright-cops/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/australia_copyright_scheme/ | Aug 14 19:28 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: heard about it? | Aug 14 19:28 |
fewa | they beat me to it | Aug 14 19:28 |
wispygalaxy | good, more disclosure is better for the people | Aug 14 19:28 |
schestowitz | MAFIAA ownz you huys | Aug 14 19:28 |
schestowitz | *guys | Aug 14 19:28 |
DaemonFC | yeah, court records are expensive | Aug 14 19:28 |
fewa | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/14/use-recap-to-bypass-court-document-pacer-paywall/ | Aug 14 19:28 |
wispygalaxy | i don't listen to mainstream music that much anymore | Aug 14 19:28 |
DaemonFC | when I had a misdemeanor charge against me, they wouldn't even tell me what the prosecutor submitted as evidence against me | Aug 14 19:28 |
DaemonFC | I had to buy it for $1 per page | Aug 14 19:29 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: I'll give you a legal stash | Aug 14 19:29 |
ThistleWeb | I reckon many netbooks are being wrongly sold as cheap laptops, which they're not | Aug 14 19:29 |
wispygalaxy | cc stuff? | Aug 14 19:29 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: http://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/ | Aug 14 19:29 |
ThistleWeb | creative commons | Aug 14 19:29 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: free | Aug 14 19:29 |
schestowitz | 6gb | Aug 14 19:29 |
DaemonFC | it turned out that the prosecutor had a whole lot of nothing and was trying to coerce me into signing a plea agreement | Aug 14 19:29 |
wispygalaxy | thanks roy, that's so nice of you... :D | Aug 14 19:29 |
schestowitz | I think just royalty-free | Aug 14 19:30 |
wispygalaxy | ok | Aug 14 19:30 |
wispygalaxy | isn't that illegal to not show the evidence to the other side if they ask for it? | Aug 14 19:31 |
schestowitz | "Update 3/8/09: The long awaited third torrent is here! It contains over 200 songs that were added to the SXSW website since the initial torrent were posted on Feb 19. The first two torrents are still going strong as well." | Aug 14 19:31 |
wispygalaxy | isn't it called 'discovery'? | Aug 14 19:31 |
schestowitz | It's so popular that it's still maintained and updated | Aug 14 19:31 |
DaemonFC | I eventually met with the prosecutor and agreed to an agreement where I signed it, but all I got was 3 months of informal probation and $87 in court costs | Aug 14 19:31 |
DaemonFC | that beats a year in jail | Aug 14 19:31 |
DaemonFC | and it's off my record now too | Aug 14 19:31 |
schestowitz | Maybe the MAFIAA will pass some new laws to make legally-free music somehow illegal too | Aug 14 19:31 |
ThistleWeb | as far as I know, discovery is the process of getting documents submitted to the court that the prosecution asks for | Aug 14 19:31 |
wispygalaxy | well, glad to see that everything's ok, daemon :) | Aug 14 19:31 |
wispygalaxy | i think it goes both ways, though | Aug 14 19:32 |
ThistleWeb | legally enforced submitions | Aug 14 19:32 |
schestowitz | He almost got jail for trolling this channel :-p | Aug 14 19:32 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: only in Soviet Rusia | Aug 14 19:32 |
schestowitz | *Russia | Aug 14 19:32 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 14 19:32 |
wispygalaxy | ha | Aug 14 19:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/7537/ | Aug 14 19:32 |
schestowitz | "Russian businessman Oleg Teterin has registered the smiley emoticon as a trademark for his Superphone mobile company. He is going to ask the companies using the sign for compensation. These could be the popular social network Odnoklassniki.ru, Corbina Telacom, Nestle, and McDonalds." | Aug 14 19:32 |
wispygalaxy | i heard about that | Aug 14 19:33 |
schestowitz | I just need a trademark on a sad face | Aug 14 19:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: ¨I'm away from any sort of keyboard from now until the 28th." OMG the poor guy does not have a laptop? :-) | Aug 14 19:33 | |
schestowitz | Oh, and Obama's face | Aug 14 19:33 |
ThistleWeb | I wanna copyright all the vowels int he English language | Aug 14 19:33 |
ThistleWeb | try speaking without using AEIO or U | Aug 14 19:33 |
_goblin | Hi all | Aug 14 19:33 |
wispygalaxy | sometimes y :P | Aug 14 19:34 |
wispygalaxy | hey goblin | Aug 14 19:34 |
_goblin | Its my birthday today... | Aug 14 19:34 |
ThistleWeb | hey _goblin | Aug 14 19:34 |
wispygalaxy | it's my sister's too :) | Aug 14 19:34 |
wispygalaxy | happy b-day | Aug 14 19:34 |
ThistleWeb | congrats | Aug 14 19:34 |
ThistleWeb | ditto | Aug 14 19:34 |
_goblin | she shares it with Hulk Hogan BTW | Aug 14 19:34 |
wispygalaxy | my sister is 19 today | Aug 14 19:34 |
_goblin | and me of course | Aug 14 19:34 |
wispygalaxy | cool haha | Aug 14 19:34 |
_goblin | 34...here... | Aug 14 19:34 |
ThistleWeb | I share mine with Jimmy Page from Led Zeppelin.....and Millhouse | Aug 14 19:34 |
wispygalaxy | my mom's is next sunday | Aug 14 19:35 |
wispygalaxy | millhouse from the simpsons? | Aug 14 19:35 |
_goblin | sorry to interupt everyones conversation.......just had to announce that..... | Aug 14 19:35 |
ThistleWeb | no Richard Millhouse Nixon | Aug 14 19:35 |
wispygalaxy | ahhh i see lol | Aug 14 19:35 |
ThistleWeb | best known from such scandals as Watergate | Aug 14 19:35 |
wispygalaxy | i learned about him in 10th grade history class | Aug 14 19:36 |
ThistleWeb | I guess he didn't like his middle name much either, it's hardly mentioned | Aug 14 19:36 |
wispygalaxy | he could have changed it lol | Aug 14 19:36 |
ThistleWeb | I just about wet myself laughing when I found out it was Millhouse | Aug 14 19:36 |
ThistleWeb | all I could picture was the simpsons | Aug 14 19:37 |
DaemonFC | I liked that scene on Forrest Gump where he's staying int the Watergate Hotel and calls security cause he sees a bunch of guys with flashlights in the other building | Aug 14 19:37 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 14 19:37 |
wispygalaxy | yeah, me too TW :) | Aug 14 19:37 |
ThistleWeb | yeah, tricky Dicky was a fascinating figure | Aug 14 19:37 |
ThistleWeb | total scumbag | Aug 14 19:37 |
ThistleWeb | but interesting | Aug 14 19:37 |
wispygalaxy | i never saw the whole movie, i keep seeing the beginning of it in school (when we had substitute teachers) and never got around to finishing it | Aug 14 19:38 |
ThistleWeb | Watergate was only the tip of the iceberg | Aug 14 19:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Its my 34th birthday today..... #microsoft #linux #windows #vista #xp #zenwalk #wolvix | Aug 14 19:38 | |
DaemonFC | yeah, G. Gordon Liddy | Aug 14 19:38 |
DaemonFC | and the White House Plumbers | Aug 14 19:38 |
ThistleWeb | there was years of back story building up to it | Aug 14 19:38 |
wispygalaxy | he can keep historians talking forever | Aug 14 19:38 |
schestowitz | _goblin: happy birthrday, Goblin | Aug 14 19:38 |
DaemonFC | Liddy was on the radio telling conservatives at one point that when the ATF comes for their guns "shoot them in the head cause they're wearing body armor" | Aug 14 19:39 |
DaemonFC | lmao | Aug 14 19:39 |
DaemonFC | that guy is still around | Aug 14 19:39 |
schestowitz | _goblin: why " #microsoft #linux #windows #vista #xp #zenwalk #wolvix" ? | Aug 14 19:39 |
wispygalaxy | i'm only in one room right now | Aug 14 19:39 |
wispygalaxy | this one! | Aug 14 19:40 |
schestowitz | No, it's twitter tags | Aug 14 19:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst: Pascal is with SUSE. They don't treat their people so well at Novell. :-| | Aug 14 19:40 | |
schestowitz | # hash for special pages | Aug 14 19:40 |
wispygalaxy | ahhh i see, i don't use twitter | Aug 14 19:40 |
wispygalaxy | were you just talking to marti, roy? | Aug 14 19:41 |
wispygalaxy | marti is very nice, i like his posts on COLA | Aug 14 19:41 |
schestowitz | What's this? | Aug 14 19:42 |
schestowitz | http://itc.ua/node/40048 | Aug 14 19:42 |
ThistleWeb | a link? | Aug 14 19:42 |
schestowitz | I can't speak Russian, but the pictures show interesting stuff there | Aug 14 19:42 |
DaemonFC | I like how congress gets to vote themselves pay raises as "cost of living allowances" while the rest of the country is getting fired | Aug 14 19:42 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes, Marti likes everyone | Aug 14 19:42 |
wispygalaxy | too bad the trolls attack him | Aug 14 19:43 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: same ol same ol | Aug 14 19:43 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: he advocats Linux | Aug 14 19:43 |
wispygalaxy | of course, and quite well | Aug 14 19:43 |
DaemonFC | that's the only thing there's broad bipartisan support for, pork spending, and giving themselves raises | Aug 14 19:43 |
schestowitz | It makes him a target for Microsoft's guerrilla market terrorists, as Homer put it | Aug 14 19:43 |
wispygalaxy | ms is getting desperate, they need windows 7 to be a hit | Aug 14 19:44 |
schestowitz | They also just use personal attacks and intimidation (like posting people's home addresses, as if they'll come over to 'visit') | Aug 14 19:44 |
wispygalaxy | they can't afford another vista | Aug 14 19:44 |
DaemonFC | "internal MPEG decoder and QuickTime are not supported, some "tricks" may not working because Microsoft Detour library is not free for 64 bits platform." | Aug 14 19:44 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 14 19:44 |
DaemonFC | http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/Vista64.html | Aug 14 19:44 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is still a bully rallying bullies | Aug 14 19:44 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is charging more for 64-bit development tools? | Aug 14 19:44 |
schestowitz | They intimidate all who jeopardise their income | Aug 14 19:45 |
wispygalaxy | that's why i don't post my name, i know there are crazies out there | Aug 14 19:45 |
schestowitz | Their minions ping me in Twitter too, I just ingore | Aug 14 19:45 |
wispygalaxy | they know you are right, so they attack you | Aug 14 19:45 |
schestowitz | They can still get addresses | Aug 14 19:45 |
schestowitz | They can find routes via mates in ISPs | Aug 14 19:45 |
wispygalaxy | it's funny how they claim linux has a small market share, but they waste their lives on forums bashing linux advocates | Aug 14 19:46 |
schestowitz | Microsoft has many connections out there | Aug 14 19:46 |
schestowitz | They could read people's mail too if some lackey ISP permits it | Aug 14 19:46 |
schestowitz | In theory | Aug 14 19:46 |
wispygalaxy | yikes | Aug 14 19:46 |
ThistleWeb | encryption is your friend | Aug 14 19:46 |
DaemonFC | most ISPs and domain registers will do anything if you send them a scary-enough letter | Aug 14 19:46 |
ThistleWeb | gpg | Aug 14 19:46 |
wispygalaxy | yes, and i use linux. it's great protection | Aug 14 19:46 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Happy Birthday Mate! Wish you many healthy years and all the luck in the world. Have a nice birthday party with your beloved ones! | Aug 14 19:47 | |
DaemonFC | ASUS netbook with Windows XP is nearly $400 | Aug 14 19:47 |
DaemonFC | yikes | Aug 14 19:47 |
wispygalaxy | see, there's a MS tax | Aug 14 19:48 |
trmanco | hey hey | Aug 14 19:48 |
wispygalaxy | hi tony! | Aug 14 19:48 |
trmanco | wispy :-) | Aug 14 19:48 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: Microsoft acknowledges Linux threat to Windows client < http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136259/Microsoft_acknowledges_Linux_threat_to_Windows_client > | Aug 14 19:48 |
DaemonFC | Newegg isn't carrying any Linux netbooks | Aug 14 19:48 |
schestowitz | Client means "Desktop" | Aug 14 19:48 |
wispygalaxy | we were discussing linux netbooks | Aug 14 19:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: I know, most people of SuSE G.M.B.H. ran away when it became part of Novell (read it in interviews). | Aug 14 19:49 | |
wispygalaxy | i don't get why hardware companies want to pay MS, with linux they can get better profits | Aug 14 19:49 |
schestowitz | Linux is big in some countries | Aug 14 19:49 |
wispygalaxy | it's really weird how they want to pay MS | Aug 14 19:49 |
schestowitz | The can't attack Linux, so they attack people and organisations now | Aug 14 19:49 |
schestowitz | Dell seems to have had enough | Aug 14 19:49 |
schestowitz | Dell debunked their FUD in 2007 when they did the patent attack | Aug 14 19:50 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm, they have Roombas for $160 | Aug 14 19:50 |
DaemonFC | I should get one | Aug 14 19:50 |
schestowitz | And now on sub-notebooks | Aug 14 19:50 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I encrypt what I can | Aug 14 19:50 |
schestowitz | It takes too to tango (PGP) | Aug 14 19:50 |
wispygalaxy | MS is making netbooks more expensive | Aug 14 19:50 |
ThistleWeb | I love how PGP wants to charge money, yet GPG offers the same for free, for peeps that know about it, and it's fully compatible | Aug 14 19:51 |
wispygalaxy | you don't need windows to browse the internet, write a paper, or listen to music on a netbook | Aug 14 19:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Thanks! Hope you are well! Regards....Goblin | Aug 14 19:51 | |
schestowitz | More expeensive makes it more Windows capable | Aug 14 19:51 |
schestowitz | And also less attarctive | Aug 14 19:51 |
schestowitz | Less battery life, more expensive | Aug 14 19:51 |
wispygalaxy | yes, linux is much more attractive | Aug 14 19:51 |
wispygalaxy | i love its themes | Aug 14 19:51 |
DaemonFC | a real laptop that's got 4 times the RAM and a CPU that's 10 times faster is only $40 more | Aug 14 19:52 |
DaemonFC | nice | Aug 14 19:52 |
MinceR | and 1/10 the battery life? | Aug 14 19:52 |
DaemonFC | plug it in somewhere | Aug 14 19:52 |
MinceR | and 4x the mass? | Aug 14 19:52 |
DaemonFC | so? | Aug 14 19:52 |
MinceR | so you don't get what it's about. | Aug 14 19:52 |
DaemonFC | the netbook fad is going to end one way or another | Aug 14 19:52 |
MinceR | or so your m$ buddies hope | Aug 14 19:53 |
DaemonFC | you can't really use them like you can a real laptop and they're too bulky to replace a blackberry | Aug 14 19:53 |
ThistleWeb | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/IsYOxqDYPy4/Digsby-IM-Clie | Aug 14 19:53 |
ThistleWeb | nt-Quietly-Installs-Badware <lol, Ii love windows | Aug 14 19:53 |
MinceR | they believe they'll survive if they can kill netbooks | Aug 14 19:53 |
MinceR | news flash, they won't | Aug 14 19:53 |
DaemonFC | it's not just that, a netbook is too slow to even browse with | Aug 14 19:53 |
DaemonFC | I was playing around with one a while back | Aug 14 19:53 |
ThistleWeb | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/IsYOxqDYPy4/Digsby-IM-Client-Quietly-Installs-Badware even | Aug 14 19:53 |
MinceR | see what i said about the web earlier. :> | Aug 14 19:54 |
wispygalaxy | but netbooks are good for people who hate heavy things :) | Aug 14 19:54 |
MinceR | browsing isn't a 'typical light-resources task' anymore | Aug 14 19:54 |
DaemonFC | they have to use a stripped down distro like Ubuntu Netbook Remix to even get it to fit in 512 megs of RAM | Aug 14 19:54 |
ThistleWeb | wispygalaxy: like hippies? | Aug 14 19:54 |
MinceR | the eee-s i looked at had at least 1GB of RAM | Aug 14 19:54 |
wispygalaxy | lol | Aug 14 19:54 |
DaemonFC | I don't really like UNR any more than I like Windows XP | Aug 14 19:54 |
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MinceR | you prefer vista, we know | Aug 14 19:55 |
DaemonFC | no matter what I end up using, I'm not going to run it on an underpowered toy | Aug 14 19:55 |
MinceR | and the atom just isn't zomg-powerful enough to make that monstrosity move :> | Aug 14 19:55 |
wispygalaxy | i don't get why people complain about the small screen of netbooks. they are happy with browsing on the iphone, which has a much smaller screen | Aug 14 19:55 |
MinceR | the hypePhone gets the benefit of the Reality Distortion Field | Aug 14 19:56 |
DaemonFC | 10" screen, 1 Ghz CPU, and 512 megs of RAM, and some contrived interface, oh and you can't play or burn discs | Aug 14 19:56 |
DaemonFC | and it saves you a whole $40 | Aug 14 19:56 |
MinceR | because burning discs is still a favorite pastime nowadays. | Aug 14 19:56 |
wispygalaxy | i'm moving away from CDs, i can't believe it. i have sooo many CDs | Aug 14 19:56 |
MinceR | it also lets you use it all day without having to plug it in | Aug 14 19:56 |
wispygalaxy | but i listen to music more often on my computer | Aug 14 19:56 |
MinceR | and to carry it around all day easily | Aug 14 19:57 |
wispygalaxy | i notices that the CDs i burned a while back are a little flaky | Aug 14 19:57 |
DaemonFC | Linux people are so hot for the netbook because it takes the focus off proprietary software and puts it on proprietary web applications instead | Aug 14 19:57 |
DaemonFC | so they kill Microsoft and still end up dealing with a system that they have no idea how it works | Aug 14 19:57 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Sorry, missed your comment....why #microsoft etc? So I can announce to everyone! | Aug 14 19:57 |
DaemonFC | and is just as patented | Aug 14 19:57 |
MinceR | yes, because you obviously can't use FLOSS web applications | Aug 14 19:58 |
wispygalaxy | google will make web apps open, i hope | Aug 14 19:58 |
MinceR | no sir! | Aug 14 19:58 |
ThistleWeb | I had a bizarre thought a while back, we take for granted the ability to have whole collections in our mp3 players, and can switch between albums at the press of a button, all stored in a tiny pocket sized device | Aug 14 19:58 |
DaemonFC | Has the thought ran across anyone's mind that there are no free software web apps, no meaningful ones? | Aug 14 19:58 |
>ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Aug 14 19:58 | |
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ThistleWeb | imagine that same functionality with a walkman, and casettes | Aug 14 19:58 |
MinceR | that depends on what you believe to be meaningful | Aug 14 19:58 |
DaemonFC | Gmail | Aug 14 19:58 |
ThistleWeb | a suitcase of casettes | Aug 14 19:58 |
MinceR | the SiteBar running on my home server is quite meaningful | Aug 14 19:58 |
DaemonFC | Google Apps | Aug 14 19:58 |
DaemonFC | seems to be what most of those netbooks are hyping up anyway | Aug 14 19:58 |
MinceR | and there are free webmail services | Aug 14 19:58 |
DaemonFC | freeware anyway | Aug 14 19:59 |
MinceR | they can probably run gnome office, so you don't need google apps | Aug 14 19:59 |
MinceR | no, free software | Aug 14 19:59 |
wispygalaxy | my mom has boxes of cassettes, she wanted to put them on CD | Aug 14 19:59 |
MinceR | SquirrelMail, for example | Aug 14 19:59 |
MinceR | and Horde (or what it's called) | Aug 14 19:59 |
MinceR | though i'd prefer to connect to my own IMAP server :> | Aug 14 19:59 |
ThistleWeb | yeah casette to cd aint great | Aug 14 19:59 |
schestowitz | Horse of trolls | Aug 14 19:59 |
schestowitz | Horde is great | Aug 14 19:59 |
wispygalaxy | my mom actually listens to music from a satellite TV station | Aug 14 20:00 |
ThistleWeb | quality wise you can only go down, not up | Aug 14 20:00 |
schestowitz | I used it for ~4 years] | Aug 14 20:00 |
wispygalaxy | even she is moving away from cassettes and CDs :P | Aug 14 20:00 |
ThistleWeb | it's like vhs to dvd | Aug 14 20:00 |
wispygalaxy | i never attempted any of those conversions | Aug 14 20:00 |
wispygalaxy | i'm going to have to put my CDs on my computer one day... | Aug 14 20:00 |
ThistleWeb | if you already own the casette, I se no problem with downloading the digital cd quality version | Aug 14 20:00 |
schestowitz | I just thought of an acronym for Microsoft Attack Dogs: MAD | Aug 14 20:00 |
MinceR | Mutually Assured Destruction? :) | Aug 14 20:01 |
DaemonFC | XM uses 128kbps AAC | Aug 14 20:01 |
MinceR | XM? | Aug 14 20:01 |
wispygalaxy | her cassettes are custom made- she forgot the names of some of the tunes | Aug 14 20:01 |
schestowitz | "No other large companies as far as I know use their employees as attack dogs to silen[ce] dissent. It’s time for Microsoft to stop this nonsense." http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/12/the-prickly-prince-strikes-again/ | Aug 14 20:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Thanks, I'm doing fine. Currently at my own apartment. Will return to my brother tomorrow and kook his favourite dinner.... > | Aug 14 20:01 | |
DaemonFC | Sirius probably does something similar | Aug 14 20:01 |
MinceR | you probably don't mean Extended Module :) | Aug 14 20:01 |
*ThistleWeb forgot who's here, and kicks himself for mentioning encoding | Aug 14 20:01 | |
MinceR | (the format used by Fast Tracker 2) | Aug 14 20:01 |
MinceR | ThistleWeb: lol | Aug 14 20:01 |
ThistleWeb | that'll trigger the codec tourettes no doubt | Aug 14 20:01 |
DaemonFC | why would you want to convert a cassette tape? | Aug 14 20:02 |
MinceR | roy could handle the codec tourettes :) | Aug 14 20:02 |
DaemonFC | throw that shit out | Aug 14 20:02 |
wispygalaxy | roy can handle anything lol | Aug 14 20:02 |
wispygalaxy | but cassettes have memories | Aug 14 20:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst: probably means "cook", not "kook" or "qook" (Quack) | Aug 14 20:02 | |
ThistleWeb | songs have memories | Aug 14 20:02 |
DaemonFC | yes, cassette tapes remember all the hot summer days out in your car | Aug 14 20:02 |
wispygalaxy | usenet kooks? | Aug 14 20:02 |
ThistleWeb | people link their memories to songs they heard at the time that have some meaning | Aug 14 20:02 |
DaemonFC | all the cosmic rays striking them | Aug 14 20:02 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes | Aug 14 20:03 |
wispygalaxy | haha | Aug 14 20:03 |
DaemonFC | all the EM fields they are exposed to | Aug 14 20:03 |
wispygalaxy | i know a lot of them in COLA | Aug 14 20:03 |
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schestowitz | Those who are attacking target what bothers Microsoft | Aug 14 20:03 |
ThistleWeb | the format the songs are in don't really matter too much | Aug 14 20:03 |
schestowitz | Trend-spotting. Micrososft's nightmare zeitgeist | Aug 14 20:03 |
DaemonFC | cassette tapes also remember oxidation | Aug 14 20:03 |
wispygalaxy | why do they spread hate? they need some love in their lives lol | Aug 14 20:03 |
schestowitz | Google is a new obsession for Microsoft | Aug 14 20:03 |
schestowitz | An older one was Netscape and Java | Aug 14 20:03 |
wispygalaxy | ballmer is obsessed with search | Aug 14 20:03 |
schestowitz | Search for purpose | Aug 14 20:04 |
schestowitz | Madman | Aug 14 20:04 |
schestowitz | MADman | Aug 14 20:04 |
ThistleWeb | I remember buying albums on cd that I had on tape, and feeling it was weird that they were all ont he same side, when I was used to getting up and turning it over after a certain song | Aug 14 20:04 |
DaemonFC | they killed Netscape and Java has been a zombie for 10 years | Aug 14 20:04 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Attack Dog Man =MADMan | Aug 14 20:04 |
wispygalaxy | haha that's a good point TW | Aug 14 20:04 |
ThistleWeb | it is, it's just weird until you get used to it | Aug 14 20:04 |
wispygalaxy | i listened to way fewer CDs than i did last year | Aug 14 20:04 |
DaemonFC | besides, every other TV commercial is a Bing ad | Aug 14 20:04 |
schestowitz | Waste of money | Aug 14 20:05 |
MinceR | like that will work :> | Aug 14 20:05 |
schestowitz | It's dying | Aug 14 20:05 |
DaemonFC | they buy up all the cheap commercial blocs from what I've seen | Aug 14 20:05 |
ThistleWeb | when you're used to thinking "yeah song 4 on side B" | Aug 14 20:05 |
wispygalaxy | why should i listen to my CD player while i'm on the computer? i can listen right on the computer | Aug 14 20:05 |
ThistleWeb | when they're all on the same side, it throws all that out | Aug 14 20:05 |
wispygalaxy | cassettes are a waste too, we are becoming more efficient | Aug 14 20:05 |
DaemonFC | ThistleWeb: I've never bought any cassette tapes except for blanks, and those were to record my phone line | Aug 14 20:05 |
ThistleWeb | try telling that to the printer makers | Aug 14 20:06 |
ThistleWeb | where throwing out the printer is cheaper than buying new ink for it | Aug 14 20:06 |
wispygalaxy | i saw a $32 printer at wallmart a couple of months ago | Aug 14 20:06 |
wispygalaxy | it was an HP one i think | Aug 14 20:06 |
wispygalaxy | it looked like the printer my roommate had 2 years ago | Aug 14 20:07 |
ThistleWeb | that practice should be banned | Aug 14 20:07 |
DaemonFC | whenever a bill collector calls, it's always funny to tell them to hold for a second while you start your recorder | Aug 14 20:07 |
wispygalaxy | haha! | Aug 14 20:07 |
DaemonFC | then they hear a click on the line and you tell them to go ahead | Aug 14 20:07 |
ThistleWeb | I wonder if there's a Bill Collector in the phone book | Aug 14 20:07 |
DaemonFC | "Would you please, once again, state your name and the company you represent, for the record?" | Aug 14 20:08 |
DaemonFC | lol | Aug 14 20:08 |
wispygalaxy | i saw the end of a Bing ad on NBC last night... i just turned on the TV to see what's on (I barely watch TV these days) | Aug 14 20:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Salmon with asparagus alla ML2MST. Will stay over night until Sunday. | Aug 14 20:08 | |
ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: better if it's video | Aug 14 20:09 |
ThistleWeb | close up on their face, badge etc | Aug 14 20:09 |
schestowitz | http://qt.nokia.com/ | Aug 14 20:09 |
wispygalaxy | yum that salmon dish sounds good, marti :) | Aug 14 20:09 |
wispygalaxy | qt interface? | Aug 14 20:09 |
_goblin | Nice chap that Marti. | Aug 14 20:10 |
ThistleWeb | nokie own qt | Aug 14 20:10 |
ThistleWeb | nokia* | Aug 14 20:10 |
wispygalaxy | he's cheerful | Aug 14 20:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: What the hell are you saying? I am as stupid and incompetent as the q00k. Are you mad <grin> (thanks for the correction) ;-) | Aug 14 20:10 | |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: he is gay | Aug 14 20:10 |
wispygalaxy | i know | Aug 14 20:10 |
_goblin | Currently watching King of The Deathmatch 1995 whilst trying my hand pyopengl.... | Aug 14 20:11 |
wispygalaxy | who is q00k, roy? | Aug 14 20:11 |
_goblin | still hate python... | Aug 14 20:11 |
wispygalaxy | why? it is open source :) | Aug 14 20:11 |
_goblin | lol..its not what it is.....its a high level language..... | Aug 14 20:12 |
ThistleWeb | kist being open source does not mean it needs to be good lol | Aug 14 20:12 |
wispygalaxy | it usually is good though haha | Aug 14 20:12 |
_goblin | contributes to the de-skilling of a new generation of coders.....IMO | Aug 14 20:12 |
_goblin | just like c# | Aug 14 20:12 |
wispygalaxy | high level languages are good for beginners | Aug 14 20:12 |
_goblin | I'd disagree. | Aug 14 20:13 |
ThistleWeb | high level is closer to the cloud | Aug 14 20:13 |
ThistleWeb | like skyscrapers | Aug 14 20:13 |
wispygalaxy | C# is restrictive, i think | Aug 14 20:13 |
_goblin | true | Aug 14 20:13 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 14 20:13 |
wispygalaxy | hehe | Aug 14 20:13 |
ThistleWeb | where you're the first to get wet when it rains | Aug 14 20:13 |
wispygalaxy | touche :P | Aug 14 20:13 |
ThistleWeb | but on the bright side, at least you have a chance that the birds will shit from lower than you | Aug 14 20:14 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: qook is "Quark" | Aug 14 20:14 |
wispygalaxy | you mean hadron? | Aug 14 20:14 |
_goblin | lol hadron.... | Aug 14 20:14 |
schestowitz | aka OlEary/Schneider | Aug 14 20:14 |
_goblin | COLA Clown | Aug 14 20:14 |
schestowitz | He had many names | Aug 14 20:14 |
schestowitz | AstroTurfers have no identity | Aug 14 20:15 |
schestowitz | They just need to make the slime stick | Aug 14 20:15 |
wispygalaxy | i was wishing that he really did use debian | Aug 14 20:15 |
schestowitz | On whoever's behalf | Aug 14 20:15 |
wispygalaxy | i wanted to give him a chance | Aug 14 20:15 |
ThistleWeb | "the man with no name recommends Windows" | Aug 14 20:15 |
schestowitz | SOme trolls use names like "hairyfeet" | Aug 14 20:15 |
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wispygalaxy | yuck, trying to gross us out | Aug 14 20:15 |
schestowitz | It's all about sticking Linux smears in many places | Aug 14 20:16 |
schestowitz | It's illegal | Aug 14 20:16 |
_goblin | Can I just give you all an amazing off topic and completely random fact......Did you know that the words "Beam me up scotty" were never said in any episode or movie of Startrek? | Aug 14 20:16 |
schestowitz | What did they say then? | Aug 14 20:17 |
wispygalaxy | i never really watched startrek | Aug 14 20:17 |
_goblin | beam me up | Aug 14 20:17 |
schestowitz | Ah | Aug 14 20:17 |
_goblin | two to beam up | Aug 14 20:17 |
ThistleWeb | ty, next time I find myself unable to sleep, desperate for my first Star Trek fact, I'll bare that in mind and say thank you | Aug 14 20:17 |
_goblin | and Ive just publically admitted how sad I am. | Aug 14 20:17 |
wispygalaxy | lol! | Aug 14 20:17 |
schestowitz | I used to watch Star Trek before sleeping | Aug 14 20:17 |
schestowitz | But I was like 12 | Aug 14 20:17 |
_goblin | . | Aug 14 20:17 |
_goblin | 34 and still going strong? | Aug 14 20:17 |
ThistleWeb | I like the odd episode here and there but that's about it | Aug 14 20:17 |
wispygalaxy | roy was a trekkie :P | Aug 14 20:18 |
schestowitz | Not eally | Aug 14 20:18 |
wispygalaxy | haha i'm teasing | Aug 14 20:18 |
schestowitz | I watched maybe 300 episodes including repetitions | Aug 14 20:18 |
MinceR | "Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes." | Aug 14 20:18 |
schestowitz | I watched Married With Children the most | Aug 14 20:18 |
wispygalaxy | now that's being a trekkie, compared to me of course | Aug 14 20:18 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 14 20:18 |
wispygalaxy | i think i watched a part of an episode to see what was going on | Aug 14 20:18 |
_goblin | if you think about it, why would scotty spend much time in the transporter room? he was an engineer. | Aug 14 20:18 |
_goblin | I think I'll shut up now. | Aug 14 20:19 |
wispygalaxy | of star trek i mean | Aug 14 20:19 |
schestowitz | _goblin: no! he's an actor! Really!! | Aug 14 20:19 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 14 20:19 |
ThistleWeb | ya know, a post watershed version of that could be "Very funny, Scotty, now beam down mu dingus" | Aug 14 20:19 |
ThistleWeb | my* | Aug 14 20:19 |
schestowitz | "Based on a true story" | Aug 14 20:19 |
wispygalaxy | do you watch TV these days, roy? | Aug 14 20:19 |
schestowitz | Once upon a time there was an American(USS) starship.. | Aug 14 20:19 |
schestowitz | Looking to conquer more worlds | Aug 14 20:20 |
schestowitz | USS Startship Enterprise on a Voyage for Democracy | Aug 14 20:20 |
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_goblin | heres what happened when the enterprise intalled vista: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcO5OzKwPo | Aug 14 20:20 |
ThistleWeb | I wonder if that's where the US get their centric view of the world from.....us (or capitalised as US) and them | Aug 14 20:20 |
schestowitz | Captains Log, Srat Dtar 8757625873232$#@$@!$. We have spread democracy to planet Iruqinius | Aug 14 20:20 |
DaemonFC | you're right, we shouldn't be meddling with other countries, we should also stop giving them loans we later forgive | Aug 14 20:20 |
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DaemonFC | let the world go to hell | Aug 14 20:21 |
DaemonFC | not our problem | Aug 14 20:21 |
schestowitz | *Star Date | Aug 14 20:21 |
wispygalaxy | that is the isolationist's view :) | Aug 14 20:21 |
MinceR | the world has already gone to hell. | Aug 14 20:21 |
DaemonFC | let them fend for themselves | Aug 14 20:21 |
schestowitz | Nope | Aug 14 20:21 |
DaemonFC | they'll gladly take handout | Aug 14 20:21 |
schestowitz | MinceR: it'll be fine | Aug 14 20:21 |
DaemonFC | while still bitching about us | Aug 14 20:21 |
schestowitz | Been here for 4 billion here | Aug 14 20:22 |
schestowitz | *years | Aug 14 20:22 |
schestowitz | As for /us/, that's another thing | Aug 14 20:22 |
MinceR | schestowitz: there's a human infection spreading though. | Aug 14 20:22 |
DaemonFC | bunch of freeloaders in third world countries who won't build infrastructure because they're too lazy, unmotivated, or not intelligent enough | Aug 14 20:22 |
wispygalaxy | i don't want to be around when the sun turns into a red giant :P | Aug 14 20:22 |
wispygalaxy | and engulfs the warth | Aug 14 20:22 |
wispygalaxy | earth* | Aug 14 20:22 |
schestowitz | We're not the centre of this planet. Been dominent for just a fraction of time | Aug 14 20:22 |
schestowitz | Now we have become advanced enough to blow ourselves up due to human's nature | Aug 14 20:22 |
MinceR | also to blow up the biosphere with us. | Aug 14 20:23 |
tacone | Microsoft created this universe | Aug 14 20:23 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it's a slow process | Aug 14 20:23 |
wispygalaxy | let's move to mars, i'm tired of all this earth drama | Aug 14 20:23 |
tacone | No wonder it will crash | Aug 14 20:23 |
ThistleWeb | we're humans though, we aim higher than that, if we're gonna destroy ourselves, we need to aim to destroy the galaxy at the same time | Aug 14 20:23 |
schestowitz | It would be a slow death, but we'll never live through till then | Aug 14 20:23 |
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wispygalaxy | a painful process, roy? :P | Aug 14 20:23 |
schestowitz | There are more excising things going on in other planets | Aug 14 20:23 |
schestowitz | Just not so interesting to us | Aug 14 20:24 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes, it's slow | Aug 14 20:24 |
wispygalaxy | how can we build stuff on jupiter | Aug 14 20:24 |
wispygalaxy | we have to make the foundation solid first... | Aug 14 20:24 |
ThistleWeb | I once had a pen pal arrangement with a fungus from Pluto | Aug 14 20:24 |
schestowitz | It starts with a sort of draught, then melting down of stuff, IIRC | Aug 14 20:24 |
schestowitz | Let me see if I can find somehting | Aug 14 20:24 |
ThistleWeb | it wasn't very chatty | Aug 14 20:24 |
wispygalaxy | lol TW | Aug 14 20:24 |
MinceR | ThistleWeb: but they call it Yuggoth. | Aug 14 20:24 |
ThistleWeb | postage costs were prohibative ;( | Aug 14 20:25 |
wispygalaxy | ha | Aug 14 20:25 |
ThistleWeb | MinceR: you know him too? | Aug 14 20:25 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrqW-Cvx0II | Aug 14 20:25 |
schestowitz | You can search for more out there. I watch heaps of these nowadays. | Aug 14 20:25 |
wispygalaxy | thanks for educating me, roy :) | Aug 14 20:26 |
MinceR | probably not him exactly. | Aug 14 20:26 |
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ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 14 20:27 |
ThistleWeb | I was gonna say "small world" but it's bigger than that | Aug 14 20:28 |
wispygalaxy | i love that song: it's a small world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APmHR2bmQgw&feature=related | Aug 14 20:29 |
wispygalaxy | i went there a few years ago when i was 14 | Aug 14 20:30 |
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schestowitz | I was never in the west coast, wispygalaxy. Was in DisneyWorld though. Meh | Aug 14 20:39 |
wispygalaxy | i went to california, it's much better than NJ | Aug 14 20:40 |
wispygalaxy | NJ is so boring, too many shopping malls and suburbs | Aug 14 20:40 |
wispygalaxy | i never went to florida before | Aug 14 20:41 |
schestowitz | Everyone's lawn seems more boring than the neighbours | Aug 14 20:43 |
schestowitz | CA has it own issues | Aug 14 20:43 |
schestowitz | Pollution in some parts, MASSIVE debt, illegal immigration, etc. | Aug 14 20:44 |
wispygalaxy | but i've been in this state for almost 2 decades... | Aug 14 20:44 |
wispygalaxy | i want some change | Aug 14 20:44 |
wispygalaxy | i know CA has problems, but i'm an optimist haha | Aug 14 20:44 |
schestowitz | Try Mexico or Canada | Aug 14 20:45 |
schestowitz | Better yet, make an escape route | Aug 14 20:45 |
schestowitz | Like Chalmers Johnson might put it | Aug 14 20:45 |
wispygalaxy | i'm not scared of the US lol haha | Aug 14 20:45 |
wispygalaxy | yet | Aug 14 20:45 |
wispygalaxy | i hope this country will do well for years to come | Aug 14 20:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdxFn8FfauU&feature=related | Aug 14 20:46 |
wispygalaxy | thanks | Aug 14 20:46 |
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DaemonFC` | actually, the illegals are running back to Mexico in higher numbers than they're arriving now | Aug 14 20:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iP1HB2K8CY | Aug 14 20:47 |
wispygalaxy | so there is a deficit lol | Aug 14 20:47 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: let ^^these people run the country | Aug 14 20:47 |
DaemonFC` | mostly because everyone got bumped down a few notches and legal citizens are now being forced to take some pretty nasty jobs | Aug 14 20:47 |
schestowitz | Bill ORLY for President | Aug 14 20:47 |
wispygalaxy | bill's a troll, i ignore him | Aug 14 20:47 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 14 20:48 |
schestowitz | Running the foreign policy like it's a frickin football game | Aug 14 20:48 |
DaemonFC` | I'll say it again, we turned off the illegal immigration magnet by letting foreign interests bleed us dry | Aug 14 20:48 |
schestowitz | "We win, they lost... mission accomplished" | Aug 14 20:48 |
wispygalaxy | lol | Aug 14 20:48 |
DaemonFC` | now they're bitching because we're not giving them as much blood as we used to | Aug 14 20:48 |
schestowitz | The US has just sent a drone to d some funeral hellfire, killing 60 blindly | Aug 14 20:48 |
wispygalaxy | where? | Aug 14 20:49 |
DaemonFC` | yeah, according to the terrorists | Aug 14 20:49 |
schestowitz | wispygalaxy: NYT, others | Aug 14 20:49 |
DaemonFC` | they hide behind civilians because they're cowards | Aug 14 20:49 |
schestowitz | Afghanistan IIRC | Aug 14 20:49 |
wispygalaxy | that's awful | Aug 14 20:49 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC`: so kill civilians? | Aug 14 20:49 |
wispygalaxy | afghanistan needs time to rebuild, and they are still getting bombed | Aug 14 20:49 |
MinceR | well, they could be brave and honorable and walk in front of the pentagin | Aug 14 20:49 |
DaemonFC` | the terrorists hide behind them then we're the bad guys when we go after them anyway | Aug 14 20:49 |
MinceR | s/gin/gon/ | Aug 14 20:49 |
MinceR | they just wouldn't stand half a chance ;) | Aug 14 20:49 |
DaemonFC` | yeah, blow them all to hell | Aug 14 20:50 |
DaemonFC` | don't let it work | Aug 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | "We hereby find you guilty of not being able to escape people who use you as a human shield" | Aug 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | Punishment: death penalty | Aug 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC`: it's NOT effective | Aug 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | Get it? | Aug 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | You RAISE resentment | Aug 14 20:50 |
wispygalaxy | true roy | Aug 14 20:50 |
DaemonFC` | if your enemy hides tanks and mortars behind schools and mosques, blow them up anyway | Aug 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | Iraq war increased the threat 7-fold | Aug 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | As expected BTW | Aug 14 20:50 |
wispygalaxy | poverty and lack of education created terrorists | Aug 14 20:51 |
DaemonFC` | if the fuckers would jsut grow some balls, come out and fight, win or lose, this wouldn't happen | Aug 14 20:51 |
schestowitz | You can't exterminate everyone and expect people not to get angry at losing cousin/son/friend/parents | Aug 14 20:51 |
schestowitz | You're spread the hate like fuel | Aug 14 20:51 |
DaemonFC` | they are cowards | Aug 14 20:51 |
wispygalaxy | they are desperate, so they need something to fight for. it's sad i know | Aug 14 20:51 |
schestowitz | *Spreading | Aug 14 20:51 |
DaemonFC` | they know they can't fight us, so they hide behind women and children | Aug 14 20:51 |
DaemonFC` | they are the lowest kind of scum | Aug 14 20:51 |
schestowitz | The US has smart weapons | Aug 14 20:52 |
DaemonFC` | if their men are such "men", why can't they come out and fight? | Aug 14 20:52 |
schestowitz | Wiping people out with napalm is not a solutoon | Aug 14 20:52 |
ThistleWeb | do you fight where your enemey is strongest? or where they are weakest? | Aug 14 20:52 |
DaemonFC` | no, why can't they fight? They supposedly want to die for their murderous bastard Allah | Aug 14 20:52 |
MinceR | ThistleWeb: can he tell the difference? :> | Aug 14 20:52 |
DaemonFC` | so come out and die, fuckers | Aug 14 20:52 |
DaemonFC` | why not? | Aug 14 20:53 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC`: watch your language | Aug 14 20:53 |
ThistleWeb | how many planning ops have you seen in stories where they think "yeah, the target is real weak there, so we'll leave that," | Aug 14 20:53 |
DaemonFC` | we'll certainly send you to meet your god | Aug 14 20:53 |
*DaemonFC` is now known as DaemonFC | Aug 14 20:53 | |
ThistleWeb | any tactician with that mindset will soon run out of cannon fodder | Aug 14 20:53 |
DaemonFC | sounds like a good idea to me, everyone gets what they want | Aug 14 20:53 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're giving them reason to get more nuclear weapons | Aug 14 20:54 |
ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: you are clueless on this subject, I'm just glad you're leaders have more common sense | Aug 14 20:54 |
DaemonFC | they call themselves men then go cower behind civilian noncombatants | Aug 14 20:54 |
schestowitz | Many countries are already collecting arsenals | Aug 14 20:54 |
schestowitz | And disarmament won't come from aggression | Aug 14 20:54 |
MinceR | his leaders have common sense? :> | Aug 14 20:54 |
schestowitz | As I understand it, the Russians disarmed first | Aug 14 20:54 |
schestowitz | It took time for the US to even make it unilateral | Aug 14 20:55 |
schestowitz | Atomic weapon is simple to build | Aug 14 20:55 |
DaemonFC | the Russians are disarming by selling their weapons to rogue nations | Aug 14 20:55 |
ThistleWeb | even the neocons were not this insane | Aug 14 20:55 |
DaemonFC | the terrorists can't build nukes, they don't understand how they work | Aug 14 20:55 |
DaemonFC | but they're willing to buy and use them | Aug 14 20:55 |
schestowitz | MinceR: in the Republican Party they listen to God | Aug 14 20:55 |
MinceR | money? | Aug 14 20:56 |
ThistleWeb | I saw a great badge once "God is not a Republican" | Aug 14 20:56 |
DaemonFC | Can't build, don't understand, willing to use | Aug 14 20:56 |
schestowitz | Chirac: Bush Said Invasion Of Iraq Was Biblical Mission To Stop Armageddon < http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/05/chirac-bush-said-invasion-of-iraq-was-biblical-mission-to-stop-armageddon/ > | Aug 14 20:56 |
DaemonFC | that's the terrorists with regards to nuclear weapons | Aug 14 20:56 |
DaemonFC | so if they get them, the Russians have sold them to them | Aug 14 20:56 |
schestowitz | The US sold them Stingers | Aug 14 20:56 |
ThistleWeb | is that any different to the spoon fed masses in the west who fall for the propaganda spewed by their leaders? | Aug 14 20:56 |
schestowitz | To use against Soviet tanks | Aug 14 20:57 |
ThistleWeb | they dont know whats going on, yet they still want to vote | Aug 14 20:57 |
schestowitz | "The president of the United States, in a top-secret phone call to a major European ally, asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a mission from God." | Aug 14 20:57 |
DaemonFC | I wonder how MinceR feels about his country sucking up to the Soviets to get through the cold war? | Aug 14 20:57 |
wispygalaxy | i g2g guys | Aug 14 20:57 |
ThistleWeb | cya wispygalaxy | Aug 14 20:57 |
DaemonFC | do they have anything in common other than a need at the time, to ally themselves with someone stronger? | Aug 14 20:57 |
schestowitz | http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=haught_29_5 | Aug 14 20:57 |
wispygalaxy | bye TW, mincer, daemon, and roy | Aug 14 20:57 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: is that worse than sucking up to the usians? | Aug 14 20:57 |
schestowitz | cya, wispygalaxy | Aug 14 20:57 |
wispygalaxy | bye roy xx ;) | Aug 14 20:57 |
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MinceR | DaemonFC: also, is there a lot i can do about whom the leaders that i didn't vote for suck up to? | Aug 14 20:58 |
DaemonFC | as soon as the Soviet Union started falling apart and it was obvious they could no longer protect Hungary, your socialist republic came down pretty quick | Aug 14 20:58 |
DaemonFC | so I'll take that as a no | Aug 14 20:58 |
MinceR | i don't miss it | Aug 14 20:58 |
MinceR | but i don't miss your software patents either | Aug 14 20:59 |
MinceR | and i wish we didn't get your WIPO Copyright Treaty either | Aug 14 20:59 |
ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: I pity you and your world view | Aug 14 20:59 |
MinceR | but i have no luck | Aug 14 20:59 |
DaemonFC | Hungary is just doing what it does best | Aug 14 20:59 |
ThistleWeb | a world of divisiveness | Aug 14 20:59 |
MinceR | your megacorps are very effective at taking people's rights away worldwide | Aug 14 20:59 |
schestowitz | WIPO should be disbanded | Aug 14 20:59 |
schestowitz | WTO too | Aug 14 20:59 |
schestowitz | It's anti-most-of-the-world | Aug 14 20:59 |
MinceR | "land of the free", my ass. | Aug 14 21:00 |
DaemonFC | Hungary is just a lamprey | Aug 14 21:00 |
DaemonFC | looking for a bigger fish | Aug 14 21:00 |
schestowitz | "land of the free [market]" | Aug 14 21:00 |
MinceR | usa is just a bully | Aug 14 21:00 |
ThistleWeb | yeah the US has gone a long way from free | Aug 14 21:00 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: be very proud of those nukes you don't control | Aug 14 21:00 |
MinceR | idiot. | Aug 14 21:00 |
DaemonFC | we control enough to retalliate against anyone | Aug 14 21:00 |
DaemonFC | as it should be | Aug 14 21:00 |
ThistleWeb | although, it is still free, as in "the corporate policy makers are free to do whatever they want" | Aug 14 21:00 |
MinceR | no, it shouldn't | Aug 14 21:01 |
MinceR | you play police and you're corrupt | Aug 14 21:01 |
MinceR | ThistleWeb: indeed | Aug 14 21:01 |
DaemonFC | we only have them to defend from corrupt regimes | Aug 14 21:01 |
DaemonFC | like the PRC | Aug 14 21:01 |
MinceR | ThistleWeb: the only problem is that DaemonFC doesn't realise he isn't a corporate policy maker. | Aug 14 21:01 |
DaemonFC | we don't use them as a frontline weapon | Aug 14 21:01 |
ThistleWeb | a govt for the people by the people is in effect, it's just that the people they were talking about were "people like them", not like the rest of the riff raff | Aug 14 21:01 |
DaemonFC | it's a deterrant | Aug 14 21:01 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: so one corrupt regime defends us from another corrupt regime? | Aug 14 21:01 |
DaemonFC | better dead than red buddy | Aug 14 21:02 |
DaemonFC | :P | Aug 14 21:02 |
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MinceR | DaemonFC: as for the "lamprey" thing, go learn some history, you clueless idiot. | Aug 14 21:03 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: and until you know what you're talking about, shut the fuck up. | Aug 14 21:03 |
ThistleWeb | MinceR: he's fallen for too much Fox "news" | Aug 14 21:03 |
MinceR | and that applies to other topics, too. | Aug 14 21:03 |
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DaemonFC | I'd never suck up to some horrible regime like the PRC | Aug 14 21:03 |
DaemonFC | I'd take as many of them out as I could on my way down | Aug 14 21:03 |
ThistleWeb | has as much knowledge of the real world as Limbagh | Aug 14 21:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux No Longer a Game of Just a Few http://ping.fm/ql1u5 | Aug 14 21:04 | |
DaemonFC | beats living the rest of my life as a slave, like most Chinese people | Aug 14 21:04 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC is the Fox mentality | Aug 14 21:05 |
schestowitz | Nothing new here | Aug 14 21:05 |
DaemonFC | I'd rather die than be forced to work 7 days a week, 15 hour shifts | Aug 14 21:05 |
DaemonFC | 20 cents an hour | Aug 14 21:05 |
schestowitz | In his video he's wearing one of those "USA" shirts | Aug 14 21:05 |
schestowitz | Maybe the back has a portrair of Glenn Beck :-p | Aug 14 21:05 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: you wouldn't last long in one of those forced labor camps either | Aug 14 21:05 |
DaemonFC | but you'll be the first to lay out your own country on their chopping block | Aug 14 21:06 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: who causes labvour in CHina? | Aug 14 21:06 |
schestowitz | Let's try to guess. | Aug 14 21:06 |
schestowitz | Who's driving demand and running companies with sweat shops in east Asia | Aug 14 21:06 |
DaemonFC | there's no Chinese imports in the UK is there? | Aug 14 21:06 |
DaemonFC | or Canada | Aug 14 21:06 |
DaemonFC | hypocrites | Aug 14 21:06 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: so why are you trolling here instead of going to China with a gun? put your money where your mouth is. | Aug 14 21:07 |
DaemonFC | "We're so superior, we're so liberal, we support all the same illiberal dictatorships you do, and then some! (Iran)" | Aug 14 21:07 |
ThistleWeb | yeah sadaam was a freind once | Aug 14 21:07 |
ThistleWeb | so was osamma | Aug 14 21:07 |
ThistleWeb | didnt turn out too moral huh? | Aug 14 21:07 |
DaemonFC | the Europeans are a joke | Aug 14 21:07 |
MinceR | yeah, they were friends while they were useful. | Aug 14 21:07 |
DaemonFC | they support all the corrupt shit they bash us for | Aug 14 21:07 |
ThistleWeb | of course | Aug 14 21:07 |
DaemonFC | and more | Aug 14 21:07 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: especially your buddies in the UK | Aug 14 21:08 |
ThistleWeb | well, I've had enough of this idiocy, I think it's time to re-ignore him | Aug 14 21:08 |
DaemonFC | yeah, we threw their asses out | Aug 14 21:08 |
DaemonFC | what did you ever do? | Aug 14 21:08 |
ThistleWeb | I did that before over the code tourettes | Aug 14 21:08 |
DaemonFC | suck up | Aug 14 21:08 |
ThistleWeb | then un-ignored after he was given another chance in here | Aug 14 21:09 |
ThistleWeb | but I'm not gonna waste time on some clueless fool spout BS | Aug 14 21:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Fight for Unbundling of Windows in Danish Desktops http://ping.fm/qbdy4 | Aug 14 21:09 | |
DaemonFC | I don't really take criticism from people who have never done anything but suck up | Aug 14 21:09 |
DaemonFC | you could have fought the Soviets | Aug 14 21:09 |
DaemonFC | you din't | Aug 14 21:09 |
DaemonFC | *didn't | Aug 14 21:09 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: shut up and study some history. | Aug 14 21:10 |
DaemonFC | signing whatever deals that allow you to live | Aug 14 21:10 |
DaemonFC | spineless, totally spineless | Aug 14 21:10 |
DaemonFC | nobody forced your country into anything you've ever agreed to except being too afraid to fight it off | Aug 14 21:11 |
ThistleWeb | damn, how do you ignore again? I only ever did this once, funnily enough to the same guy | Aug 14 21:11 |
schestowitz | Who fought the Soviets? | Aug 14 21:11 |
schestowitz | The Nazi once did | Aug 14 21:11 |
*ThistleWeb ignore DaemonFC | Aug 14 21:11 | |
DaemonFC | anyone who was invaded by them and not too afraid to fight | Aug 14 21:11 |
DaemonFC | no matter how horribly outnumbered | Aug 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | Then the US did a colonialisation battle over policy/regime | Aug 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | The fight against Red | Aug 14 21:12 |
DaemonFC | does Finland come to mind? | Aug 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | American didn't 'save' the world from the USSR | Aug 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | It only led to armament | Aug 14 21:12 |
DaemonFC | better to placate them | Aug 14 21:12 |
DaemonFC | right? | Aug 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | The Germans tried to get nuclear bombs at the beginning of world war II | Aug 14 21:12 |
DaemonFC | like the UK tried to placate the Nazis | Aug 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | Every country had its excuse | Aug 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | So the US had to have one first | Aug 14 21:12 |
DaemonFC | even when eventual war was inevitable | Aug 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | Then the Russian could justify having one | Aug 14 21:13 |
schestowitz | Remember: only US ever attacked with nuclear weapons | Aug 14 21:13 |
schestowitz | Now Pakistan, India, Britian, France, Israel, etc have loads of arsenal | Aug 14 21:13 |
schestowitz | And nuclear winter means mass starvation | Aug 14 21:13 |
ThistleWeb | yeah "we can have one, but you can't" | Aug 14 21:13 |
schestowitz | So ina sole afternoon billions could be rendered doomed | Aug 14 21:14 |
ThistleWeb | because we're the good guys | Aug 14 21:14 |
schestowitz | A nuclear strike would not be the first | Aug 14 21:14 |
DaemonFC | schestowsitz would have placated the Nazis or the Soviets | Aug 14 21:14 |
ThistleWeb | we only ever attack first if our corporate interests are ythreatened | Aug 14 21:14 |
DaemonFC | whoever got to the UK first | Aug 14 21:14 |
schestowitz | The 1940s was first incident | Aug 14 21:14 |
schestowitz | The US is still resarching and testing for better h-bombs | Aug 14 21:14 |
DaemonFC | we haven't tested a live nuke in years | Aug 14 21:14 |
schestowitz | 2 million megatons is not enough, apparently | Aug 14 21:14 |
DaemonFC | we have computer simulations | Aug 14 21:14 |
schestowitz | Fine | Aug 14 21:15 |
DaemonFC | the French still test live warheads | Aug 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | So do it all on the PCs | Aug 14 21:15 |
DaemonFC | so do India and Paklistan | Aug 14 21:15 |
DaemonFC | and North korea | Aug 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | See how it works /in theory/ | Aug 14 21:15 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: ya gott amake sure you get the cockroaches in the blast, if not they;ll be pissed and turn into terrorists with a grudge ;) | Aug 14 21:15 |
DaemonFC | where is your outrage there? | Aug 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | Don't build weapons | Aug 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | Do you know why debt is so bad there? | Aug 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | Not cause the US can't make money | Aug 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | Never mind state of public education | Aug 14 21:15 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: well, they don't live test on the japanese. :> | Aug 14 21:16 |
DaemonFC | doesn't matter | Aug 14 21:16 |
DaemonFC | we still all pay for it | Aug 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | Where 1/4 kids in Texas schools point at central America when asked where Russian is | Aug 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | And many people think the sun goes around the Earth | Aug 14 21:16 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I doubt that | Aug 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | The reason for debt is military | Aug 14 21:16 |
DaemonFC | you're making this up | Aug 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | One trillion $ (USD) per year | Aug 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | Or so | Aug 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | Nob\ody knows | Aug 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | Cause it's concealed by design | Aug 14 21:17 |
DaemonFC | and how Europe and the Catholic church stopped scientific progress for hundreds of years | Aug 14 21:17 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I'm not making anything up | Aug 14 21:17 |
DaemonFC | we'd be colonizing other planets were it not for that scourge | Aug 14 21:17 |
schestowitz | I'll serve proof , too | Aug 14 21:17 |
schestowitz | Colonising plenets? | Aug 14 21:17 |
schestowitz | Like what? | Aug 14 21:17 |
schestowitz | BLobs of gas/ | Aug 14 21:17 |
schestowitz | ? | Aug 14 21:17 |
DaemonFC | if our scientific progress wasn't stopped for hundreds of years | Aug 14 21:18 |
DaemonFC | by European religion | Aug 14 21:18 |
schestowitz | Europe is FAR less religion | Aug 14 21:18 |
schestowitz | For a fact | Aug 14 21:18 |
DaemonFC | dark ages | Aug 14 21:18 |
DaemonFC | hello? | Aug 14 21:18 |
schestowitz | Scanadinavia is very secular | Aug 14 21:18 |
schestowitz | In the US, something like 20% are theists | Aug 14 21:18 |
DaemonFC | what would have happened if that had never happened? | Aug 14 21:18 |
schestowitz | Int he US it's like 89% | Aug 14 21:18 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: does "creationism" ring a bell? | Aug 14 21:18 |
schestowitz | Can't say where Grand Canyon came from | Aug 14 21:18 |
DaemonFC | there's a lunatic fringe that does that kind of stuff | Aug 14 21:19 |
schestowitz | Cause in Arizona the Earth is just 6000 years old | Aug 14 21:19 |
DaemonFC | in every society | Aug 14 21:19 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: yes, and that lunatic fringe is in control of the usa | Aug 14 21:19 |
DaemonFC | no | Aug 14 21:19 |
DaemonFC | I think the middle east is more lunatic than fringe | Aug 14 21:19 |
DaemonFC | :) | Aug 14 21:19 |
schestowitz | Hypocrite | Aug 14 21:19 |
DaemonFC | that's really the biggest example there is | Aug 14 21:19 |
schestowitz | The one with the stone is not always more monovalent than one with an M16 | Aug 14 21:20 |
ThistleWeb | lets face it, would you let someone who believes in the invisible man be in charge of the red button? | Aug 14 21:20 |
DaemonFC | you never see Americans stopping 5 times a day to face the east and get down on their knees | Aug 14 21:20 |
DaemonFC | and chant | Aug 14 21:20 |
schestowitz | Troops who come from Iraq know they are hated | Aug 14 21:20 |
schestowitz | And because of their presence | Aug 14 21:20 |
schestowitz | The US should leave them alone | Aug 14 21:20 |
schestowitz | There are other fuel sources | Aug 14 21:20 |
DaemonFC | Muslims are the craziest people there ever have been or will be | Aug 14 21:20 |
schestowitz | And whoever takes power will likely be far worse than Saddam | Aug 14 21:20 |
schestowitz | He at least killed some terrorists | Aug 14 21:21 |
schestowitz | The UK and US didn't mind when he gassed the Kurds | Aug 14 21:21 |
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DaemonFC | there's not many groups of people that Saddam didn't kill | Aug 14 21:21 |
DaemonFC | including a few of his own sons | Aug 14 21:21 |
MinceR | thanks. | Aug 14 21:21 |
*MinceR sets ban on *!*=DaemonFC@*.hsd1.in.comcast.net | Aug 14 21:21 | |
*MinceR has kicked DaemonFC from #boycottnovell (troll.) | Aug 14 21:21 | |
schestowitz | "Trollblican" maybe | Aug 14 21:21 |
ThistleWeb | was wondering when sanity would break out | Aug 14 21:21 |
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Aug 14 21:22 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New GNU/Linux Servers Comes from IBM http://ping.fm/OMkjk | Aug 14 21:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Odyssey Logistics & Technology Dumps Windows and Unix for GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/bapVD | Aug 14 21:27 | |
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ThistleWeb | I shouldn't have removed him from my ignore list, I couldn't remember how to ignore him again | Aug 14 21:28 |
schestowitz | He tries to provoke sometimes | Aug 14 21:28 |
ThistleWeb | I have it now thanks to the freenode ban text | Aug 14 21:28 |
ThistleWeb | I have one person ignored on IRC | Aug 14 21:28 |
ThistleWeb | just one | Aug 14 21:28 |
schestowitz | Expressing extreme views about WIndows, against Linux or against other religions to spur reactiomn | Aug 14 21:28 |
ThistleWeb | him, now twice | Aug 14 21:28 |
schestowitz | And then he just flooded the channel and gets people emotional | Aug 14 21:28 |
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schestowitz | He's having fun doing this | Aug 14 21:29 |
ThistleWeb | he was at it last night too | Aug 14 21:29 |
schestowitz | Yeah. | Aug 14 21:29 |
schestowitz | He was banned the first time he ever appeared here | Aug 14 21:29 |
schestowitz | Within an hour, a long time ago | Aug 14 21:29 |
ThistleWeb | I ignored him before because of all the codec tourettes | Aug 14 21:29 |
schestowitz | Then he learned he /can/ be banned, so he cooled down | Aug 14 21:29 |
ThistleWeb | then eventually gave him another chance after I saw peeps talking to him and he seemed to be normal again | Aug 14 21:30 |
schestowitz | It's not us | Aug 14 21:30 |
schestowitz | He's banned everywhere | Aug 14 21:30 |
schestowitz | He pisses people off | Aug 14 21:30 |
ThistleWeb | I can believe it | Aug 14 21:30 |
schestowitz | We're tolerant enough, so he comes back to us | Aug 14 21:31 |
ThistleWeb | peeps can come to different views based on the same facts, but his stuff is just delusional | Aug 14 21:31 |
schestowitz | Anyhoo... | Aug 14 21:31 |
ThistleWeb | and dangerous | Aug 14 21:31 |
ThistleWeb | exactly, meanwhile, back at the point | Aug 14 21:31 |
ThistleWeb | on a quick side note, I think I may have to start a protest at my local Iceland store | Aug 14 21:32 |
schestowitz | Here is his first appearance here, to give you an idea: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/01/irc-boycottnovell-freenode-march-31st-2009-part-1/ | Aug 14 21:32 |
_goblin | Giving SAM-Linux a run.....looks interesting..... | Aug 14 21:32 |
ThistleWeb | they've stopped doing chili-con-carnie ready meals methinks, I've not seen them in months, and there's no space on the shelf as if it's just out of stock | Aug 14 21:33 |
ThistleWeb | sam linux is nice | Aug 14 21:33 |
MinceR | ThistleWeb: well, i hope we can continue using "op's ignore" on him in the future :> | Aug 14 21:33 |
ThistleWeb | xfce distro from the pclinux peeps | Aug 14 21:33 |
_goblin | yep | Aug 14 21:33 |
MinceR | (of course, "ircop's ignore" is even nicer :> ) | Aug 14 21:33 |
ThistleWeb | I had one major prob with sam though | Aug 14 21:33 |
ThistleWeb | it refused to install | Aug 14 21:34 |
_goblin | apparently this is the last pclinux ver | Aug 14 21:34 |
_goblin | thistleweb: yep! thats pretty major! | Aug 14 21:34 |
ThistleWeb | would always just "forget" during the install process and close the window | Aug 14 21:34 |
ThistleWeb | I know | Aug 14 21:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Giving SAM-Linux 2009 a run....Looks interesting. #linux #foss | Aug 14 21:34 | |
ThistleWeb | I tried several times too, as it's very nice | Aug 14 21:34 |
_goblin | no 64bit ver though :( | Aug 14 21:34 |
ThistleWeb | I still say xfce is nice if you get the right distro that does it well | Aug 14 21:35 |
_goblin | only 675mb download....should be done shortly. | Aug 14 21:35 |
ThistleWeb | and horrible if you get the wrong distro | Aug 14 21:35 |
_goblin | I am a big fan of XFCE | Aug 14 21:35 |
ThistleWeb | as am I | Aug 14 21:35 |
_goblin | then Gnome... | Aug 14 21:35 |
_goblin | the Fluxbox | Aug 14 21:35 |
_goblin | then KDE | Aug 14 21:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Palm's Linux-based Phones Have Reason for Geolocation -- Claim http://ping.fm/qpjjt | Aug 14 21:36 | |
ThistleWeb | I've lost count of the times I've felt honour bound to defend XFCE's reputation when someone says it's shit based on Xubuntu | Aug 14 21:36 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 14 21:36 |
ThistleWeb | "NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Pick a proper XFCE" | Aug 14 21:36 |
_goblin | The only version of Ubuntu I have running is a heavily modded UbuntuSE | Aug 14 21:37 |
ThistleWeb | I'm curious on how the ubuntu minimal cd works | Aug 14 21:37 |
ThistleWeb | that's the base for crunchbang | Aug 14 21:37 |
_goblin | #!CBL......distro of a thousand duplications..... | Aug 14 21:38 |
_goblin | Xchat/IRSSI everthing has a double! | Aug 14 21:38 |
fewa | Well good these did it | Aug 14 21:38 |
ThistleWeb | yeah there's terminal apps and gui ones | Aug 14 21:38 |
fewa | It will be a great step up to PACER and public documents | Aug 14 21:38 |
_goblin | it should be one or the other IMO | Aug 14 21:38 |
ThistleWeb | choice | Aug 14 21:39 |
_goblin | its not difficult to install packages you want.... | Aug 14 21:39 |
ThistleWeb | the lite edition has mostly the terminal ones | Aug 14 21:39 |
_goblin | Pidgin should be ASBO'd from Distro's | Aug 14 21:39 |
_goblin | IMO | Aug 14 21:39 |
ThistleWeb | the normal edition knows they're aiming at "normal" users who tend to want GUI stuff | Aug 14 21:39 |
_goblin | but wouldnt normal users simply opt for Ubuntu? | Aug 14 21:40 |
ThistleWeb | depends on the hardware | Aug 14 21:40 |
ThistleWeb | gnome is very heavy | Aug 14 21:40 |
ThistleWeb | on older hardware | Aug 14 21:40 |
MinceR | asbo=? | Aug 14 21:40 |
_goblin | Anti-Social-Behaviour-Order | Aug 14 21:40 |
_goblin | its a UK thing...... | Aug 14 21:40 |
ThistleWeb | yep, a badge of honour for kids | Aug 14 21:40 |
ThistleWeb | supoposed to be a detterent | Aug 14 21:41 |
_goblin | court order placed on someone to prevent/curb behaviour. | Aug 14 21:41 |
_goblin | for example an ASBO on a kid not to go out after 10pm | Aug 14 21:41 |
_goblin | if they breach it they are arrested. | Aug 14 21:41 |
ThistleWeb | yep, if they go into an area they;re not allowed in, they can be arrested for breaking the asbo, even if no offense was commited | Aug 14 21:41 |
_goblin | It criminalises non criminal behaviour. | Aug 14 21:41 |
_goblin | but then its simply like a court order or bail conditions. | Aug 14 21:42 |
_goblin | just lasts longer. | Aug 14 21:42 |
_goblin | usually.... | Aug 14 21:42 |
MinceR | is pidgin that bad? | Aug 14 21:43 |
_goblin | I have a personal dislike of it..... | Aug 14 21:44 |
_goblin | true its an all in one package.... | Aug 14 21:44 |
_goblin | but since IRC is the only feature that really matters to me (and its awful with Pidgin) then I tend to dislike. | Aug 14 21:44 |
_goblin | Does anyone still use ICQ? | Aug 14 21:44 |
MinceR | i don't -- too much spam | Aug 14 21:45 |
MinceR | aol never cared to fight spam | Aug 14 21:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sony's Openness PR Move Pays Off http://ping.fm/LG3dt | Aug 14 21:45 | |
ThistleWeb | irc on pidgin is awfull it has to be said | Aug 14 21:45 |
ThistleWeb | fine if you want an all in one | Aug 14 21:46 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Australia Takes Censorship Up a Notch and May Become Copyright Cop http://ping.fm/Rj3kI | Aug 14 21:46 | |
MinceR | i'd never consider to use pidgin for irc | Aug 14 21:46 |
_goblin | I cant believe Klibido has not been updated since 2006 | Aug 14 21:46 |
_goblin | I may well make an update myself and include automatic .par checking on download completion. | Aug 14 21:47 |
_goblin | Its a great package.......one of the best IMO for NG binaries. | Aug 14 21:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Takes Paywalls Away from Lawyers http://ping.fm/EJg93 | Aug 14 21:48 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 -- Like Vista -- is Better Off Avoided http://ping.fm/Dgugi | Aug 14 21:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Eating carrot cake in a break between segments of @uupc | Aug 14 21:58 | |
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fewa | MinceR, AOL employees were caught selling AOL email lists | Aug 14 22:20 |
ThistleWeb | a lot of good that'll do as many have left because of bad customer service | Aug 14 22:20 |
fewa | this was a long time ago | Aug 14 22:21 |
ThistleWeb | as an ex-customer of AOL I can testify how bad they were | Aug 14 22:21 |
fewa | but the last time I send an email to an aol adress I got spam 5 minutes later | Aug 14 22:21 |
fewa | and had never recieved it at that address before | Aug 14 22:21 |
fewa | well...ok..more like a day later | Aug 14 22:21 |
ThistleWeb | the trashmail addon is handy for that | Aug 14 22:22 |
ThistleWeb | creates a temp email lasting like 2 times before deleting | Aug 14 22:22 |
fewa | I use hashing | Aug 14 22:22 |
ThistleWeb | bounces it back to your normal one | Aug 14 22:22 |
fewa | its more comlicated but shows who gave out your email | Aug 14 22:22 |
ThistleWeb | great for sites demanding you register and they send a confirmation email | Aug 14 22:22 |
fewa | ie foobar+boo-longhash1234 | Aug 14 22:23 |
MinceR | unless they cut off the part after the + | Aug 14 22:23 |
fewa | then it goes to bulk spam accont | Aug 14 22:23 |
fewa | as you use a differnt alias | Aug 14 22:23 |
ThistleWeb | it's just one of the legacies MS will leave behind, a useful global communications medium over-run with spam to the point where it's the odd email that's not spam | Aug 14 22:28 |
ThistleWeb | I noticed on slashdot, a story about twitter being used to control botnets, which I assume are not the same botnets which were aimed at twitter......unless it was a suicide experiment | Aug 14 22:29 |
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schestowitz | Chernobyl. | Aug 14 22:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reason #1 to Avoid Vista 7: Insecurity http://ping.fm/7477N | Aug 14 22:47 | |
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schestowitz | Out for a long run. BBL | Aug 14 23:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dave Cameron rebukes Daniel Hannan http://is.gd/2hdao I am surprised and pleased #welovethenhs | Aug 14 23:37 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wheee! Finally finished recording @UUPC . Time to go home! | Aug 14 23:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Social coding step one; Collaboration support in Bespin launched http://post.ly/2FfS | Aug 14 23:53 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Google Calls Yahoo-Microsoft’s Explanation Of Search Scale “Bogus”: http://is.gd/2hepr | Aug 14 23:57 |
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