| trmanco | wolfram alpha is incredible | Aug 16 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | How so? | Aug 16 00:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Unable to Spread Through Gadgets http://ping.fm/UxuzS | Aug 16 00:15 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=novell | Aug 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Meh. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=schestowitz | Aug 16 00:16 |
| schestowitz | New page: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Zune_Reality_Log | Aug 16 00:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: are you online mate or still celebrating your birthday? | Aug 16 00:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst A bit of both!!!! Hi!!! | Aug 16 00:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Ah cool. Missed yo. Have a nice time. You are very special. Wish you all the luck in the world ;-) | Aug 16 00:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Cheers mate, been out to a restaurant tonight and having a lazy day at home tomorrow (hopefully) | Aug 16 00:31 | |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, it's not a search engine | Aug 16 00:42 |
| trmanco | search for london | Aug 16 00:42 |
| trmanco | it will give a lot more info then a search engine would normally give you | Aug 16 00:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Poor People of Redmond, Rich Uncle Bill, and the Pharmaceutical Cartel http://ping.fm/ONoKy | Aug 16 00:43 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I could use Wikipedia for that | Aug 16 00:43 |
| trmanco | true | Aug 16 00:43 |
| trmanco | and it should give you a link to wikipedia | Aug 16 00:44 |
| trmanco | and google | Aug 16 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Google will eat your children and your data | Aug 16 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Says SBallmer | Aug 16 00:44 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 16 00:44 |
| trmanco | while google "might" balmmer already did | Aug 16 00:45 |
| trmanco | ballmer* | Aug 16 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer found the Google cookie on his son's PC (well, PC with Linux on it) and spanked/caned him | Aug 16 00:45 |
| trmanco | I don't really know about the "eat your children" part, but the "eat your data" that's a common thing on windows | Aug 16 00:45 |
| schestowitz | "My children - in many dimensions they're as poorly behaved as many other children, but at least on this dimension I've got my kids brainwashed: You don't use Google, and you don't use an iPod." --Steve Ballmer (on CNN) | Aug 16 00:46 |
| trmanco | wow | Aug 16 00:46 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: all's a joke, except the quote | Aug 16 00:46 |
| trmanco | hehe | Aug 16 00:47 |
| trmanco | like as if that has any effect on sales | Aug 16 00:47 |
| trmanco | and ipod is a lot a money | Aug 16 00:48 |
| trmanco | not worth it, the earphones suck | Aug 16 00:48 |
| trmanco | 3rd pair I've bought and they are already making scratching noises | Aug 16 00:49 |
| trmanco | the software has to many limitations | Aug 16 00:49 |
| trmanco | so I installed rockbox | Aug 16 00:49 |
| ThistleWeb | Ballmer seems to think as much of his children's right to choose as his customers | Aug 16 01:02 |
| ThistleWeb | choose what you want, as long as only the stuff I approve of is on the menu | Aug 16 01:02 |
| ThistleWeb | brainwash them to win their custom rather than ask them what they'd like, and try to fit a product or service to that feedback; says it all really | Aug 16 01:04 |
| ThistleWeb | but then again, there's only so many hours in the day, which'd be sapped up if he asked "what do you think is wrong with MS products, and what the others are doing right" | Aug 16 01:06 |
| ThistleWeb | that also costs money to try and fix | Aug 16 01:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rumours of Massive Sell-off at Microsoft Remain http://ping.fm/0VrCg | Aug 16 01:07 | |
| ThistleWeb | spending money on software development has never been a high priority at MS | Aug 16 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Gates goes crazy over iPod | Aug 16 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the mail? | Aug 16 01:07 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/31/bill-gates-wants-patented-stuff/ | Aug 16 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Gates' friends are all using iPods | Aug 16 01:08 |
| MinceR | that's because they're all morons | Aug 16 01:08 |
| ThistleWeb | rofl, if the richest man on the planet can't get his friends to use his products (in the hopes that showing some sucking up / loyalty will get them some cash then they really MUST be bad products | Aug 16 01:11 |
| ThistleWeb | won't even use Zune's around Bill | Aug 16 01:11 |
| schestowitz | There was no Zune back then | Aug 16 01:12 |
| schestowitz | [nor there will be soon] | Aug 16 01:13 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing we have museums to show that iPox had competitors | Aug 16 01:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon Bill Gates has seen the writing on the wall for MS and is trying to cash in, without making it look like he's abandoning MS, partial stock sales dripping day by day to not get noticed kinda suggests that | Aug 16 01:13 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: sure | Aug 16 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Did you not hear about Microsoft Shops(R)? ;-0 | Aug 16 01:14 |
| schestowitz | They have a logo now | Aug 16 01:14 |
| schestowitz | The Apple Shop for the ignorant | Aug 16 01:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I hope they do open plenty of shops | Aug 16 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's expensive | Aug 16 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Will take them _right_ out of business | Aug 16 01:14 |
| ThistleWeb | it'll be another black hole to funnel cash into | Aug 16 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe that's why they take loans now | Aug 16 01:15 |
| ThistleWeb | I hope they open them in high rent areas | Aug 16 01:15 |
| ThistleWeb | middle of Oxford St would be a great location | Aug 16 01:15 |
| ThistleWeb | HUGE store | Aug 16 01:15 |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder if Ballmer could hold on if Gates decided overnight to abandon MS shares, and sell ALL of his on one go | Aug 16 01:16 |
| ThistleWeb | what a vote of confidence huh? | Aug 16 01:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Did you invited your Wife te the restaurant? Way cool, you are such a great husband ;-) | Aug 16 01:17 | |
| ThistleWeb | MS should be encouraged to start projects which will lose them big money | Aug 16 01:17 |
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| trmanco | bong | Aug 16 01:19 |
| ThistleWeb | they seem to have a natural ability to aim at their own feet, all they need is a little encouragement to pull the trigger | Aug 16 01:19 |
| ThistleWeb | in a normal world the sooner they run out of cash the better, but this is MS we're talking about, so it'll likely be "the sooner they run out of cash, the sooner they're playing innocent essential company demanding govt bailouts" | Aug 16 01:21 |
| dong | Aug 16 01:22 | |
| schestowitz | Is Bong on drugs? | Aug 16 01:33 |
| schestowitz | It's not even giving proper results | Aug 16 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Advertised heavily (money drain) to basically advertise and disguiise the ads as 'search' | Aug 16 01:33 |
| schestowitz | gn | Aug 16 01:34 |
| MinceR | 022038 <@schestowitz> It's a good thing we have museums to show that iPox had competitors | Aug 16 01:38 |
| MinceR | we don't need museums for that | Aug 16 01:38 |
| MinceR | there are non-shitty PMPs, some of them sell; some of them are cheaper than hypePods | Aug 16 01:39 |
| MinceR | (if not all) | Aug 16 01:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Yeah, expensive night....Now Im off to bed...got to prepare for tomorrows lazy day! | Aug 16 01:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin: Good Night ;-) | Aug 16 01:45 | |
| In the PMP museum, you can find ogg vorbis players like iRiver. | Aug 16 02:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @yuxhuang: I hate ie. Let's #HateIE. | Aug 16 04:36 | |
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| tessier | Yeay, got a new cpu server installed in the cluster this afternoon. Unfortunately it looks like one of the network interfaces doesn't support jumbo packets. :( | Aug 16 04:47 |
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| congrats on the new server | Aug 16 04:55 | |
| -> Jumba, a Zulu word for a large packet. | Aug 16 05:06 | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumba | Aug 16 05:07 | |
| fewa | tessier, so every interface has to support jumbo to turn it on? | Aug 16 05:13 |
| fewa | i never did turn my jumbo on | Aug 16 05:13 |
| ***twitter reads ssh man pages | Aug 16 05:20 | |
| learns of "-C" for compression and "-c blowfish" for speed | Aug 16 05:21 | |
| does wonders for performance on upload crimped systems | Aug 16 05:21 | |
| almost as good with browser export as a local machine | Aug 16 05:22 | |
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| tessier | fewa: I use an ethernet SAN for all of my machines. Jumbo packets help performance a lot. | Aug 16 05:27 |
| *tessier is in the habit of always using -Crp | Aug 16 05:27 | |
| tessier | for ssh | Aug 16 05:27 |
| tessier | fewa: In my case every interface needs to have jumbo because I use LACP/802.3ad channel bonding to bond all of my interfaces together for higher aggregate bandwidth. | Aug 16 05:27 |
| tessier | In this case I was hoping to bond 2 1G ethernet ports together. | Aug 16 05:28 |
| tessier | Then I run vlans over that one bonded interface to provide access to the SAN, internal network, dmz, external internet etc. | Aug 16 05:28 |
| Balrog__ | so I was thinking about the effects of shortened copyrights | Aug 16 05:34 |
| Balrog__ | there would be one negative effect, it seems (at least with music) | Aug 16 05:34 |
| Balrog__ | : | Aug 16 05:34 |
| Balrog__ | studios and labels wouldn't care about preserving masters and unreleased takes, and stuff such as in the following link would happen: | Aug 16 05:35 |
| Balrog__ | (hold on for the URL) | Aug 16 05:35 |
| Balrog__ | http://www.billholland.net/words/vault.html | Aug 16 05:37 |
| tessier | With digital music distribution having the master doesn't really matter much anymore. | Aug 16 05:40 |
| tessier | And there are countless unreleased takes going all the way back to the artists 4th grade trombone lessons that nobody really cares about. | Aug 16 05:41 |
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| yuhong | BTW, it seems that the only analyst BN trust is the 451 Group. | Aug 16 05:44 |
| yuhong | Can you describe what makes the 451 group a better analyst than the other ones? | Aug 16 05:45 |
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| US income inequality at all time high http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/income-inequality-is-at-a_n_259516.html | Aug 16 06:06 | |
| -> The top 1 percent incomes captured half of the overall economic growth over the period 1993-2007 [and] in the economic expansion of 2002-2007, the top 1 percent captured two thirds of income growth | Aug 16 06:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Last weekend: rockin the Arduino. This weekend: rockin the Django. The coolest projects have the strangest names. | Aug 16 06:14 | |
| Xarver | ugh I need help :| | Aug 16 06:22 |
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| fewa | with what? | Aug 16 07:38 |
| cubezzz | I really don't understand why Sharp discontinued the Zaurus | Aug 16 08:39 |
| cubezzz | lots of good ideas appear, then disappear: Amiga, BeBox, Zaurus... | Aug 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Zaurus probably didn't sell well | Aug 16 08:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Influence in Juniper, NSS Labs, Madrona, and Telstra http://ping.fm/uxA40 | Aug 16 09:02 | |
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| cubezzz | there's tons of linux do-dads seemingly, but never in stores | Aug 16 09:20 |
| cubezzz | example: Imovio IKit | Aug 16 09:21 |
| cubezzz | similar to Zaurus, but where to buy? | Aug 16 09:21 |
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| tessier__ | http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/enterpriseapps/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219400044 | Aug 16 10:33 |
| tessier__ | Microsoft Trial Misconduct Cost $40 Million | Aug 16 10:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Buys More ‘Analysts’ to Become Marketers http://ping.fm/nZXM4 | Aug 16 10:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA at HAR2009 video recording 332MB patented and proprietary WMV format: http://bit.ly/hyktM | Aug 16 10:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Misconduct Connected to Microsoft http://ping.fm/avNqd | Aug 16 11:04 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: yes, I wrote about it | Aug 16 11:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] UPLS and a EU central patent court is about software patents via caselaw: http://bit.ly/b9KiS | Aug 16 11:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Criticism of Microsoft Deals in Minnesota, US Army, and Wroclaw University (Poland) http://ping.fm/9dbgf | Aug 16 11:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Commonalities Between i4i and Microsoft http://ping.fm/tTr0z | Aug 16 12:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does Microsoft Violate the First-sale Doctrine? http://ping.fm/GqQah | Aug 16 13:08 | |
| schestowitz | The president of Tajikistan is preparing the successor < http://enews.ferghana.ru/article.php?id=2564 > | Aug 16 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Funny picture: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/12/nokia-and-microsoft-make-an-unholy-alliance-to-bring-office-mobile-to-more-phones/ | Aug 16 13:20 |
| schestowitz | "Twitter Army defends UK healthcare system" http://thenextweb.com/2009/08/12/twitter-army-defends-uk-healthcare-system/ | Aug 16 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Windows fail: http://browsershots.org/screenshots/a76f50be6504e7e9108e56dd71a2a8a0/ | Aug 16 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Canonical resolved this one, eventually: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/402767 | Aug 16 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Newspapers keep dying... "Gores has made most of his money by taking on troubled technology and industrial companies - computer modem makers and steel distributors. But recently his investment firm, Platinum Equity, has delved into the beleaguered news business" http://www.boston.com/ae/media/articles/2009/08/08/globe_suitor_investment_firm_platinum_equity_known_for_cost_cutting/ | Aug 16 13:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me vai ver um filme | Aug 16 13:51 | |
| schestowitz | EMTEC Gdium Liberty 1000 GDNBL10USK006 10 " Netbook PC (16 GB Hard Drive, G-Key, Linux Operating System) Matte Black with White Stripe < http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-GDNBL10USK006-Netbook-Operating-System/dp/B0027IS8AM/ref=sr_1_1/184-9662988-2410750?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1250022567&sr=8-1 > | Aug 16 14:02 |
| schestowitz | 2009 Medal of Freedom Recipients: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2009-Medal-of-Freedom-Recipients/ "Stephen Hawking is an internationally-recognized theoretical physicist, and is the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge University. " | Aug 16 14:05 |
| schestowitz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/402767/comments/93 | Aug 16 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Man pleads guilty to racial threat using fake Facebook account < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/13/facebook.racial.threat/index.html > | Aug 16 14:13 |
| schestowitz | inv(PACER)=>RECAP. Clever! | Aug 16 14:16 |
| Now if only they could nail the people who have made death threats against me and what they think is my family. -> Hart will face a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine when sentenced November 18, the statement said. | Aug 16 14:20 | |
| US law enforcement seems to only work against people with brown skin, so I don't think they will be busting any WE employees soon. | Aug 16 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/61481 | Aug 16 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Psystar bankruptcy dismissed: out of the frying pan, into the fryer < http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/08/psystar-bankruptcy-dismissed-out-of-the-frying-pan-into-the-fryer.ars > | Aug 16 14:27 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125019071289429913.html < Bank of America Ends Arbitration Practice > | Aug 16 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Another marketing stunt from Microsoft... buy Vista 7 and pretend it helps the environment. http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_using_Windows_7_to_make_PCs_more_green_53230232.html | Aug 16 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/8202548 | Aug 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Firefox extension liberates US court docs from paywall < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/08/recap-firefox-extension-builds-crowdsourced-pacer-mirror.ars > | Aug 16 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | "For developing an early version of the software, O'Hara tapped iMatix, a boutique European development house that had clearly demonstrated a commitment to open source." http://networkcomputing.in/The-Power-of-Open-Source-Development-Open-Mind-001Aug009.aspx | Aug 16 15:04 |
| schestowitz | And iMatix,is now pissed off with Red Hat, whose employee wrote this article..... | Aug 16 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Behind the failure of OpenSourceWorld < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4658 >. IDG fail. | Aug 16 15:05 |
| schestowitz | "Open source was never about big trade shows. It is less about making money than saving money." | Aug 16 15:06 |
| schestowitz | "So how do you protect "intellectual property" ?" http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,39712610-39001068c-20103412o,00.htm "I hope I'm not infringing any IP with my ideas as stated here!" | Aug 16 15:16 |
| schestowitz | From the Editors: Innovation is Sun's legacy < http://www.sdtimes.com/FROM_THE_EDITORS_INNOVATION_IS_SUN_S_LEGACY/By_SD_TIMES_EDITORIAL_BOARD/About_OPENSOURCE_and_SUN/33684 > | Aug 16 15:17 |
| schestowitz | "Laura Blankfein and her friend Susan Friedman, wife of another Goldman honcho, Richard Friedman, caused a huge scene at Super Saturday in the Hamptons last weekend when they arrived at the event before the noon start time and balked at waiting in line with the other ticket-holders." | Aug 16 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://edgar.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=6718747-62161-90261&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=8528&ppu=%252fDefault.aspx%253fcompanyid%253d8528%2526amp%253bformtypeID%253d7 | Aug 16 15:34 |
| schestowitz | CentOS 4.8 release delays again < http://dag.wieers.com/blog/centos-48-release-delays-again > | Aug 16 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | Bohrbugs: OpenOffice.org won’t print on Tuesdays < http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/15/bohrbugs-openoffice-org-wont-print-on-tuesdays/ > | Aug 16 15:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] manly IKEA done. and washing. now dredging through older teen's room. girls are ICKY. | Aug 16 16:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] listening to HTML by The Hot Toddies - http://www.thesixtyone.com/thehottoddies/song/HTML/58651/ Cool song! :) | Aug 16 16:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Join http://pirateparty.org.uk/ - why? this sort of unspeakable behaviour: http://is.gd/2jIVU | Aug 16 16:15 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Aug 16 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0yhHKWUa0g | Aug 16 18:21 |
| Xarver | what are your guys' opinions on HTML5 video? http://www.codegreenforum.com/index.php/topic,80.0.html | Aug 16 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | the video tag has been sabotaged by the commercial interests of Apple and Nokia who for different reasons see ogg as something they won't support | Aug 16 18:27 |
| Xarver | :| | Aug 16 18:28 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a good idea, but a wasted opportunity to define a OSS standard, leaving it open to the vendors to choose a format | Aug 16 18:28 |
| Xarver | true | Aug 16 18:28 |
| ThistleWeb | at least FF has chosen ogg | Aug 16 18:28 |
| Xarver | ogg ftw | Aug 16 18:28 |
| ThistleWeb | and wikipedia | Aug 16 18:28 |
| ThistleWeb | those 2 have a big draw | Aug 16 18:28 |
| Video should be easy, free, royalty and patent free. Theora is the only thing that delivers. | Aug 16 18:28 | |
| HD Cable box makers busted for GPL violation http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/16/001254/GPL-Case-Against-Danish-Satellite-Provider | Aug 16 18:29 | |
| ThistleWeb | apart from IE (through the windows monopoly) FF is the most popular chosen browser by a mile | Aug 16 18:29 |
| ThistleWeb | gradualyy as more and more small sites, blogs etc do ogg video, it'll become more noticed | Aug 16 18:29 |
| ThistleWeb | I can't see the large video sites leaving flash for a while yet though | Aug 16 18:30 |
| Xarver | yeah | Aug 16 18:30 |
| ThistleWeb | the one thing that may help push a few more the ogg way, is the licence changes to the 264 codec | Aug 16 18:30 |
| Xarver | I see html5 becoming in use very slowly | Aug 16 18:30 |
| ThistleWeb | it's free now, but from (I think) April 2010 some peeps will need to pay to use it on their sites | Aug 16 18:31 |
| ThistleWeb | 264 is used in flash | Aug 16 18:31 |
| Xarver | :( | Aug 16 18:32 |
| ThistleWeb | so anything commercial I'd imagine like youtube will need to pay out cash to keep using flash, or switch the whole site away from flash | Aug 16 18:32 |
| ThistleWeb | even that wont mean a jump to ogg | Aug 16 18:32 |
| ThistleWeb | dirac is designed for streaming, it's also free | Aug 16 18:32 |
| ThistleWeb | which is fine by me | Aug 16 18:32 |
| ThistleWeb | it's still free | Aug 16 18:32 |
| Xarver | thank god youtube is owned by google who won't turn to silverlight | Aug 16 18:33 |
| ThistleWeb | they may just pay the fees and change nothing | Aug 16 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Dailymotion too | Aug 16 18:33 |
| schestowitz | and BN :-) | Aug 16 18:33 |
| Xarver | and any comments on the forum topic are appreciated :) | Aug 16 18:33 |
| ThistleWeb | it all depends on how much, and how much they make from youtube. To my knowledge youtube loses money | Aug 16 18:34 |
| Xarver | ThistleWeb: Yeah youtube has been losing lots of money lately | Aug 16 18:34 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: they deny it | Aug 16 18:34 |
| ThistleWeb | so adding an additional licence cost may be enough to make them switch | Aug 16 18:34 |
| Xarver | Thankfully google is doing well. | Aug 16 18:34 |
| schestowitz | They called it a myth some months ago | Aug 16 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I've watched over 5000 videos on YouTube for free. From that POV, Google did me no harm _at all_ | Aug 16 18:35 |
| ThistleWeb | or, they could get a free licence, just to keep the flash market share and a big name onboard | Aug 16 18:35 |
| ThistleWeb | other non-named video sites won't get a free licence though | Aug 16 18:35 |
| ThistleWeb | they maybe wont have a choice but to switch, or try to get away with not paying | Aug 16 18:36 |
| Xarver | :| | Aug 16 18:36 |
| Xarver | mind replying on that forum topic? :P | Aug 16 18:37 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the start for the video tag, it will gradually grow in support with more sites, but it'll be more grass roots than commercial sites. If you run a big company, you tend to trust and deal with other known big companies | Aug 16 18:37 |
| ThistleWeb | flash, like mp3 is EVERYWHERE | Aug 16 18:37 |
| ThistleWeb | they know their customers will have the ability to play it | Aug 16 18:38 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't join sites or forums anymore | Aug 16 18:38 |
| Xarver | :-( | Aug 16 18:38 |
| Xarver | It would make me happy :P | Aug 16 18:38 |
| ThistleWeb | sorry | Aug 16 18:39 |
| Xarver | It's ok I ge | Aug 16 18:39 |
| ThistleWeb | feel free to copy and paste from the IRC | Aug 16 18:39 |
| Xarver | :) | Aug 16 18:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] EOS is Powered by GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/NMtXo | Aug 16 18:40 | |
| ThistleWeb | most commercial companies know only windows, thats their staff, and their customers | Aug 16 18:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Server Demonstrates What a Failure it is for Linux Site http://ping.fm/lj1WD | Aug 16 18:41 | |
| ThistleWeb | while windows dows flash and mp3, they have no reason to look beyond that | Aug 16 18:41 |
| ThistleWeb | does* | Aug 16 18:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Prevents Undetectable Physical Data Corruption in Linux http://ping.fm/UHOVL | Aug 16 18:43 | |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder how many peeps who currently have a lot of flash stuff on their sites are unaware of the licence changes | Aug 16 18:43 |
| Xarver | schestowitz: wow that's embarrasing (kubuntu) | Aug 16 18:43 |
| seller_liar | mono people is pure hypocrisy | Aug 16 18:43 |
| seller_liar | for example , axiom engine is a port of ogre engine c++ | Aug 16 18:43 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the usual "get them using something so much that it's hard, time consuming or expensive to back out" | Aug 16 18:43 |
| ThistleWeb | then charge for it | Aug 16 18:44 |
| ThistleWeb | leave them no option but to pay up | Aug 16 18:44 |
| Xarver | :( | Aug 16 18:44 |
| ThistleWeb | even those who are aware can't plan for it, because the terms haven't been made public yet | Aug 16 18:44 |
| ThistleWeb | so they don't know if they are exempt or not, or if not, how much....is it per video? | Aug 16 18:45 |
| ThistleWeb | is it only if the videos are hosted in certain countries | Aug 16 18:45 |
| ThistleWeb | until they let peeps know, they can't plan | Aug 16 18:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Compiz++ 0.9 is Coming http://ping.fm/E5UxG | Aug 16 18:46 | |
| ThistleWeb | it might be like the MS licences, free for non-commercial use | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Xarver: it's not an official site | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | There used to be somehting similar with LinuxWOrld | Aug 16 18:46 |
| Xarver | oh | Aug 16 18:46 |
| schestowitz | LinuxWorld=IDG=Microsoft vassals | Aug 16 18:47 |
| Xarver | :P | Aug 16 18:47 |
| ThistleWeb | which means if you have any revenue streams like google ads on your site, you may have to pay, even if that only earns you peanuts per month | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | They run their site on ASP/.NET, so the Minions from Redmond pretended it was an embarrassment | Aug 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Heck, I could start a 'Windows site' and run it on Linux, then smear WIndows in it. That's what the Microsoft seems to be doing to smear Linux. | Aug 16 18:47 |
| Xarver | :( | Aug 16 18:51 |
| ThistleWeb | MS server is valuable | Aug 16 18:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Thunderbird Themes Galore http://ping.fm/REjNP | Aug 16 18:52 | |
| ThistleWeb | if it wasn't as bad as it is, Linux wouldn't look so good in comparision | Aug 16 18:52 |
| ThistleWeb | mere;y competent | Aug 16 18:52 |
| ThistleWeb | merely* | Aug 16 18:52 |
| ThistleWeb | you need low light conditions to appreciate the difference a bright light makes | Aug 16 18:53 |
| LOL at Vista 7 environmental claims. Ou tried to smear Guttman with a made up claim of Vista power wasting, that turned out to be true. Now M$ would like people to believe that Vista 7 is good for power use. It would be if it ran on ARM or other low power processors - fat chance. | Aug 16 18:54 | |
| That article has to go into the Vista Hype log. | Aug 16 18:54 | |
| *Diablo-D3 should smear microsoft on his blog more | Aug 16 18:55 | |
| -> With hundreds of millions of PCs draining batteries and tapping into power outlets around the world, even a small tweak in Microsoft Windows can influence global energy consumption. | Aug 16 18:55 | |
| better yet, use GNU/Linux which has had good power and far less bloat for a decade. | Aug 16 18:55 | |
| Xarver | ;) | Aug 16 18:56 |
| schestowitz | We should make an lolcat image with the heading "x86 is for pussies" (bubble from a small kitty) | Aug 16 18:56 |
| Xarver | LOL | Aug 16 18:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | hey guys | Aug 16 18:57 |
| Xarver | I don't use ARM though, no laptops for it yet and no money. :| | Aug 16 18:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think we should start a site that smears microsoft called MicrosoftWorld or something | Aug 16 18:57 |
| Xarver | what? | Aug 16 18:57 |
| Xarver | why? | Aug 16 18:57 |
| ThistleWeb | why smear? It's more ethical to deal in facts | Aug 16 18:57 |
| ThistleWeb | let them play the dirty game | Aug 16 18:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: because it'd be funny as hell | Aug 16 18:58 |
| ThistleWeb | satire yes, but smear no | Aug 16 18:58 |
| ThistleWeb | MS provide plenty of stuff we can use against them without making stuff up | Aug 16 18:58 |
| As much as I don't like ACPI, I do like how free software has managed to make it work perfectly on my laptop. | Aug 16 18:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Foresight Linux Takes New Direction http://ping.fm/HpPi3 | Aug 16 18:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gentoo Derivative Sabayon Linux 4.2 is Reviewed http://ping.fm/uuu8r | Aug 16 19:00 | |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I was joking | Aug 16 19:00 |
| schestowitz | It would be tasteless | Aug 16 19:00 |
| KPowerSave has it running in "Dynamic" performance. It sits at 800 MHz for the most part. Doing something a little more demanding than typing text instantly jumps it to 1200 MHz. | Aug 16 19:00 | |
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| schestowitz | KDE4 makes it better | Aug 16 19:00 |
| I'm not sure my machine can do better. | Aug 16 19:01 | |
| schestowitz | There's also nice CPU scaling here on ARM | Aug 16 19:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FFII get itself a new design, even worse then the previous one: http://www.ffii.org | Aug 16 19:01 | |
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| schestowitz | I can see throttling on my CPU when doing heavy tasks | Aug 16 19:01 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: yeah, old one was better | Aug 16 19:01 |
| I don't think my machine has a CPU step lower than 800 MHz. I'm sure that XP does not do ACPI and I'm sure that Vista wold not run on this machine. | Aug 16 19:02 | |
| Diablo-D3 | xp does do acpi | Aug 16 19:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | 2k did | Aug 16 19:03 |
| Vista and Vista 7 demand big heavy processors. | Aug 16 19:03 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they just dont _require_ it | Aug 16 19:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Debian Family Reaches Sweet Sixteen, Ubuntu is a Winner http://ping.fm/J8Fea http://ping.fm/3MBAH | Aug 16 19:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CrunchBang Linux Gets Wonderful Review http://ping.fm/RVSz7 | Aug 16 19:07 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: no, new computer :-D | Aug 16 19:07 |
| super computer | Aug 16 19:08 | |
| schestowitz | Intsalling Vista 7? Are you out of your mind..? :-) | Aug 16 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Marti spent 12 hours in vain | Aug 16 19:08 |
| schestowitz | THis stuff needs to be tested in a lab by large teams and then sent out with QuickRestore CDs/DVDs | Aug 16 19:09 |
| Vista 7 hype log is updated with Todd Bishop's latest shame. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/216759 | Aug 16 19:10 | |
| previously, he was suckered into saying Windows 7 would run on netbooks | Aug 16 19:10 | |
| and he promoted the "family pack" | Aug 16 19:11 | |
| family pack http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/This_week_in_Windows_7_leaks_Family_Pack_looks_like_real_thing_50501772.html | Aug 16 19:11 | |
| netbook http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/33913614.html | Aug 16 19:12 | |
| ThistleWeb | anyone know how an employer could check that an MCP cert an employee showed them was genuine? Do MS have a way to check numbers against names? | Aug 16 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Aug 16 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Netbooks | Aug 16 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes, those $700 'netbooks' | Aug 16 19:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux-based CrunchPad Tablet Coming Soon http://ping.fm/G3yyz | Aug 16 19:13 | |
| dual core, "netbook" one that came without it's own camera | Aug 16 19:13 | |
| or did it? | Aug 16 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | Don't know.. | Aug 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I'd never buy one | Aug 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | It's made by a criminal corporation | Aug 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | [called Intel] | Aug 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Technically criminal, by definition | Aug 16 19:14 |
| whatever, it's hardly the "EEE PC" that lit the world on fire with GNU/Linux and consumed much less power than "normal" Winblows laptops. | Aug 16 19:15 | |
| the 701 had a video camera that recorded to ogg theora and worked with Skype. | Aug 16 19:15 | |
| all on a dinky 1 GHz, 32 bit processor. | Aug 16 19:16 | |
| 512 MB of RAM | Aug 16 19:16 | |
| Bishop got totally used. | Aug 16 19:17 | |
| ->" the technical challenge [of running Windows 7 on netbooks] apparently has been met." | Aug 16 19:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux and Free Software Make Summit http://ping.fm/yj0Er | Aug 16 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: ask SJVN | Aug 16 19:19 |
| schestowitz | he disagrees | Aug 16 19:19 |
| schestowitz | He tried VIsta 7 on a powerful netbooks | Aug 16 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Impractical - verdict | Aug 16 19:20 |
| I did not quote him because I agreed. I quoted him because he was so wrong. | Aug 16 19:20 | |
| In November of 2008, no one else had access. M$ put on this little show for Bishop so that Bishop cold lie to the rest of the world. | Aug 16 19:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Renewed Pressure for Free Software in Voting Machines http://ping.fm/M52Dj http://ping.fm/RjWNN | Aug 16 19:22 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, November conference | Aug 16 19:22 |
| schestowitz | They could fine-tune those few netbooks on demo | Aug 16 19:22 |
| schestowitz | They gave $2000 beats to the rest of the exclusive reviewers they selected | Aug 16 19:22 |
| schestowitz | /beats/beasts/ | Aug 16 19:23 |
| Vista 7 failure log is updated. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215957 | Aug 16 19:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] California Reports Progress from Open-Source Literature Initiative http://ping.fm/JfaP8 http://ping.fm/sy4L6 | Aug 16 19:29 | |
| Vista 7 Hype Log is updated http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/216759 | Aug 16 19:29 | |
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| -> Angiulo said. "This is a full Windows experience on this PC ... on the 16-gig SSD, with room to spare." | Aug 16 19:30 | |
| and I've got my full GNU/Linux experience in less than 2 GB that does a whole lot more | Aug 16 19:30 | |
| ha ha on them. | Aug 16 19:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU Gets Help from Google's Programming Arm http://ping.fm/rmAjv | Aug 16 19:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attack on Sharing with Oneself http://ping.fm/rkHGt | Aug 16 19:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Obama Govt. on Eavesdropping http://ping.fm/AvXdf | Aug 16 19:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Zealand May Let US-based Moguls Inherit Control http://ping.fm/BAdSm | Aug 16 19:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolies Kill Brands Even in Virtual Worlds http://ping.fm/nWJoG | Aug 16 19:41 | |
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| GNU Generation should not be restricted by age. It should be easy for anyone to learn about and get involved with free software. | Aug 16 19:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Centralised, 'Permissible' News Coverage on Its Death Throes http://ping.fm/df4od http://ping.fm/tT0s6 http://ping.fm/xuCBC | Aug 16 19:42 | |
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| The next wave of the war against sharing is indeed iPod like. They want to make it impossible for people to swap files in their own house. The Vista 7 family pack is particularly suspect. | Aug 16 19:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Burning Man Uses Restrictions for Privacy, It Argues http://ping.fm/aMpxa | Aug 16 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | Agree re GNU Generation, but it's a PR thing | Aug 16 19:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good Reminder of Why Only FFII/FSF and Other Not-for-Profits Are Ones to Rely on http://ping.fm/6PkuN | Aug 16 19:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Summary Showing Why Microsoft is vehemently Anti-Freedom Company http://ping.fm/Xzkd9 | Aug 16 19:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] EU Commission Takes a Good Look at What Goes on at EPO http://ping.fm/zMjTp | Aug 16 19:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] USPTO Mocks Itself by Permitting New Patent on Dated Audio Recordings http://ping.fm/RFmAi | Aug 16 19:55 | |
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| Burning Man trades justice for convenience -> If a photographer decided to license a photo of the Man to Hummer for use in an advertisement, the only remedy available would be filing suit against the photographer for breach of contract - a much more expensive and loathsome proposition than the occasional Cease and Desist or DMCA notice — and more importantly, it would do nothing to remove the photo from the Hummer ad.phot! | Aug 16 19:58 | |
| It is a breach of contract. | Aug 16 19:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive Microsoft Failure Ruins Entire Show http://ping.fm/B90hQ | Aug 16 19:59 | |
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| The porn stuff is also a clear violation, where the participants have a explicit gripe and would not mind Burning Man protecting them. But again DMCA is not the right law to use. | Aug 16 20:00 | |
| "Database error" XBox and Winblows failures. | Aug 16 20:02 | |
| other databases continue to function. | Aug 16 20:02 | |
| -> The studio crew stayed calm throughout the situation, doing everything they could to resolve it before ultimately realizing it was out of their hands. | Aug 16 20:03 | |
| They must have seen the problem many times before. | Aug 16 20:03 | |
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| The more they rape sports, the less people will watch them. -> http://billbennett.co.nz/2009/08/11/newspaper-pay-wall-work/ | Aug 16 20:08 | |
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| schestowitz | Maybe I should do the next posts tomorrow? | Aug 16 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Too much for a Sunday... | Aug 16 20:37 |
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| fewa | twitter, thing is it help their intimidation | Aug 16 20:51 |
| fewa | and it should be there in the first place | Aug 16 20:51 |
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| chips_b_malroy | Hello everyone | Aug 16 21:05 |
| chips_b_malroy | Roy, you there? I read the log yesterday, and depending on what you are trying to do with that Youtube plugin, you can most likely do with copy and past from /tmp | Aug 16 21:07 |
| chips_b_malroy | if you using firefox that is | Aug 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I heard this | Aug 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Sounds tricky to find filenames though | Aug 16 21:08 |
| chips_b_malroy | just rename the file with a flv extenstion | Aug 16 21:08 |
| chips_b_malroy | it has no extenstion and is not in a folder just in /tmp its easy, just do it before closing the firefox page its on | Aug 16 21:09 |
| chips_b_malroy | copy and paste the filename off the firefox page | Aug 16 21:10 |
| schestowitz | There will be many such files | Aug 16 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I use the Tube a lot | Aug 16 21:10 |
| desudesudesu | look at the timestamp | Aug 16 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Ah right... | Aug 16 21:10 |
| desudesudesu | ls -S | Aug 16 21:10 |
| desudesudesu | err | Aug 16 21:10 |
| desudesudesu | ls -t | Aug 16 21:10 |
| desudesudesu | to sort by time | Aug 16 21:11 |
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| chips_b_malroy | they disappear as soon as the firefox page is closed | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | ls -t -la | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I can see it now | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | -rw------- 1 roy roy 3918514 2009-08-11 15:01 FlashxigX4P | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | -rw------- 1 roy roy 5520273 2009-08-11 14:58 Flash3gkgdL | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | -rw------- 1 roy roy 14074338 2009-08-11 14:52 FlashEARDgm | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | -rw------- 1 roy roy 2140898 2009-08-11 14:45 FlashYfolpV | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | drwx------ 2 root root 4096 2009-08-10 21:00 gconfd-root | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | -rw------- 1 roy roy 18348287 2009-08-10 14:13 Flashv5HMOY | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | -rw------- 1 roy roy 10426595 2009-08-10 10:19 FlashOqdG6I | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | -rw------- 1 roy roy 10426595 2009-08-09 22:47 FlashAnrM9u | Aug 16 21:11 |
| fewa | ahh yeah in /tmp | Aug 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Cool, that should be easy then | Aug 16 21:11 |
| fewa | I use that all the time | Aug 16 21:12 |
| desu | lol | Aug 16 21:12 |
| fewa | sometimes sites have ADS that break the page | Aug 16 21:12 |
| fewa | so you just open the files from /tmp to view them | Aug 16 21:12 |
| chips_b_malroy | so unless you have multiple firefox utube tabs open, there should only be one file | Aug 16 21:12 |
| desu | you could preview it in mplayer | Aug 16 21:12 |
| fewa | you can also look at the size | Aug 16 21:13 |
| chips_b_malroy | some will play, some have to have the extenstion renamed with the added .flv at the end | Aug 16 21:13 |
| fewa | i dont have to | Aug 16 21:14 |
| fewa | as i have a working libmagic | Aug 16 21:14 |
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| fewa | that recognizes both mp4 and flv containers | Aug 16 21:14 |
| chips_b_malroy | fewa, mostly u don't, but I have found some | Aug 16 21:14 |
| fewa | chips_b_malroy, there are only 2 container formats | Aug 16 21:14 |
| chips_b_malroy | flv and swf? | Aug 16 21:15 |
| fewa | your libmagic obviously doesn't recognize one of them | Aug 16 21:15 |
| fewa | flv is flash video, which is a differnt format from swd | Aug 16 21:15 |
| fewa | *swf | Aug 16 21:15 |
| chips_b_malroy | swf is adobe correct | Aug 16 21:15 |
| fewa | both are | Aug 16 21:15 |
| chips_b_malroy | or both | Aug 16 21:15 |
| fewa | flash can also play MPEG containers with H.264 | Aug 16 21:16 |
| fewa | ie .mp4 | Aug 16 21:16 |
| chips_b_malroy | also, I notice that sometimes the size shows wrong, until you move the file | Aug 16 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | it's gonna be interesting to watch sites who are heavily using flash now react when the 264 licence change kicks in and peeps hear about it | Aug 16 21:17 |
| fewa | That just that your filemanager doesn't suport inotify | Aug 16 21:17 |
| chips_b_malroy | Konqueror? | Aug 16 21:17 |
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| fewa | idk, nautilus shows as the file changes size pretty well | Aug 16 21:17 |
| fewa | and you can hit refresh | Aug 16 21:18 |
| fewa | maybe konqueror has a refresh button | Aug 16 21:18 |
| ThistleWeb | f5 often refreshes | Aug 16 21:18 |
| chips_b_malroy | well, anyway, I only came here about this, the flv method, since fewa knows how to do it, and now Roy, my mission is done | Aug 16 21:19 |
| fewa | :P | Aug 16 21:19 |
| schestowitz | chips_b_malroy: thanks | Aug 16 21:19 |
| why not just use clive? | Aug 16 21:19 | |
| ThistleWeb | I sometimes get odd things like that in thunar too, worst comes to the worst, you can move out of that folder and back into it, it'll refresh it | Aug 16 21:20 |
| fewa | annoying thing is that flash also has a streaming thing which doesn't work the same | Aug 16 21:20 |
| chips_b_malroy | the /tmp method is easier for me than the plugin's which can clutter firefox | Aug 16 21:20 |
| fewa | CSPAN uses it to lock up public domain videos | Aug 16 21:20 |
| *schestowitz checks mand repos for clive | Aug 16 21:20 | |
| chips_b_malroy | cya all | Aug 16 21:20 |
| fewa | bye :) | Aug 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | No clive in Mandriva | Aug 16 21:21 |
| might be another program in a rpm based distro | Aug 16 21:21 | |
| something about youtube download | Aug 16 21:21 | |
| clive works for me | Aug 16 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | Nothing matches 'youtu'' | Aug 16 21:21 |
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| ? nothing | Aug 16 21:21 | |
| ThistleWeb | there are few ff addons which let you download vids from sites like youtube | Aug 16 21:21 |
| that's sad | Aug 16 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, I have two | Aug 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | They are didgy | Aug 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | dofgy | Aug 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | dodgy | Aug 16 21:22 |
| http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/clive | Aug 16 21:22 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe upgrading to 3.5 did it | Aug 16 21:22 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, I found one of the quirkks and how to get round it | Aug 16 21:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I found it sometimes only got part of the video, missed the start | Aug 16 21:22 |
| -> Command-line and fullscreen console program that extracts videos from YouTube, Google Video and other video sites. It supports embedded video extraction, and can be used with an external encoder (e.g. ffmpeg) to re-encode the extracted videos to different video formats (e.g. avi, mpeg, flv). | Aug 16 21:22 | |
| http://packages.debian.org/youtube-dl | Aug 16 21:22 | |
| fewa | totem also supports searching and downloading/viewing youtube | Aug 16 21:23 |
| ThistleWeb | until I realised that every click on the video gives a new download link, so if you skip a bit forward for example. The trick is to always choose the one at the top of the list, it's from the start | Aug 16 21:23 |
| that other one did not make it to Lenny for some reason. | Aug 16 21:23 | |
| fewa | I would use the free youtube greasemonkey script but it doesn't work right with seeking/HTTP-range | Aug 16 21:24 |
| ThistleWeb | I've yet to come across a site it wont work on either | Aug 16 21:24 |
| fewa | http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/34765 | Aug 16 21:24 |
| ThistleWeb | that's netvideohunter | Aug 16 21:24 |
| ThistleWeb | they dont mention that lil quirk or how to get round it | Aug 16 21:25 |
| ***twitter reads the clive man page | Aug 16 21:25 | |
| -n or --no-extract is interesting. just gives you names and lengths so you can use something else to download, like kget | Aug 16 21:26 | |
| -c and --cache Allows browsing existing cache data and re-extracting previously down‐loaded videos. Very nice. | Aug 16 21:27 | |
| -F, --rss Causes clive to treat the URLs as RSS/Atom feed URLs. Designed to be used with video host feeds. Parses and displays found videos available for extraction. Examples: | Aug 16 21:29 | |
| clive -F "http://youtube.com/rss/user/lisanova/videos.rss" | Aug 16 21:29 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, that's the script I used | Aug 16 21:30 |
| -S, --scan Causes clive to scan the fed URLs for identifiable video links. | Aug 16 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | Where in Totem is this fuction? | Aug 16 21:30 |
| schestowitz | *fuction | Aug 16 21:31 |
| schestowitz | *->function | Aug 16 21:31 |
| fewa | its a plugin | Aug 16 21:31 |
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| fewa | totem-plugins in debian | Aug 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Meh. | Aug 16 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I've used so many different programs for this over the years and they tend to expire | Aug 16 21:34 |
| clive --player="/usr/bin/vlc %i" --play=src URL | Aug 16 21:34 | |
| schestowitz | The fail-proof thing seems ~/temp. I could write a shell script to copy and rename the latest flash dump from ~/tmp | Aug 16 21:34 |
| The above first extracts the video and plays it with vlc. | Aug 16 21:35 | |
| The nice thing would be to make a browser plugin that uses clive. | Aug 16 21:35 | |
| fewa | Microsoft software is getting existential http://thedailywtf.com/#Pic5 | Aug 16 21:38 |
| fewa | * http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Many-More-Minutes.aspx#Pic5 | Aug 16 21:39 |
| fewa | there is the illogical price http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200908/errord/DSCN1556.JPG | Aug 16 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | It's nice to see it all in one place | Aug 16 21:43 |
| schestowitz | an wtf? Daily?? | Aug 16 21:43 |
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| ThistleWeb | dailywtf could also be a govt watching site | Aug 16 21:47 |
| fewa | ? | Aug 16 21:49 |
| schestowitz | What for? | Aug 16 21:50 |
| schestowitz | THey have access to ISPs and "teh Google" | Aug 16 21:50 |
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| ThistleWeb | bbl | Aug 16 21:55 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Government fights back Internet pirate hordes http://bit.ly/PHSWh | Aug 16 22:00 | |
| seller_liar | I was thinking..... | Aug 16 22:00 |
| seller_liar | Mono in iphone can help microsoft? | Aug 16 22:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Faux News once again uses smear and no facts to defend baseless attack on Amsterdam http://ur1.ca/9dka @oreillyfactor @foxnews | Aug 16 22:01 | |
| MinceR | it can | Aug 16 22:01 |
| MinceR | it can give them some control over the hypePhone | Aug 16 22:01 |
| MinceR | if enough apps start using it, they can use those apps as leverage | Aug 16 22:02 |
| tessier | What happened in Amsterdam? | Aug 16 22:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | blargh | Aug 16 22:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | too hot | Aug 16 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes | Aug 16 22:06 |
| seller_liar | how roy? | Aug 16 22:06 |
| schestowitz | .NET | Aug 16 22:07 |
| seller_liar | It promoves .net | Aug 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | then again, they'd need lots of apps | Aug 16 22:07 |
| yuhong | BTW, it seems that 451 Group is the only analyst BN trusts. What makes it better than the other analysts. | Aug 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | it is known that crApple doesn't care about apps or users | Aug 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | what Roy said also works | Aug 16 22:07 |
| seller_liar | But are ther another things which can help microsoft? | Aug 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | probably. | Aug 16 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://cedric.bosdonnat.free.fr/wordpress/?p=463 | Aug 16 22:10 |
| seller_liar | maybe using patents against companies which usess .net | Aug 16 22:10 |
| schestowitz | schestowitz: developers use .NET | Aug 16 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Not sure about the patents. Haven't thought about it..... | Aug 16 22:11 |
| schestowitz | "Every line of code that is written to our standards is a small victory; every line of code that is written to any other standard, is a small defeat." --James Plamondon http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Aug 16 22:12 |
| schestowitz | That's pretty much the Microsoft gospel for TEs | Aug 16 22:12 |
| schestowitz | That's why it's worth repeating, as obvious as it may be | Aug 16 22:12 |
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| *schestowitz transfers heaps of files from work to home at 40kbits/sec | Aug 16 22:13 | |
| schestowitz | *mbits | Aug 16 22:13 |
| yuhong | BTW, it seems that 451 Group is the only analyst BN trusts. What makes it better than the other analysts? | Aug 16 22:14 |
| grsync to usb if you are in a hurry | Aug 16 22:14 | |
| upload caps suck | Aug 16 22:15 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive never heard of 451 group | Aug 16 22:15 |
| takes hours to get a few GB of data moved | Aug 16 22:15 | |
| schestowitz | Asay has spread so much disinfo about ODF | Aug 16 22:15 |
| schestowitz | THe sheep think because it has the "CNET" logo it's correct | Aug 16 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Tweeted to death: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10308909-16.html | Aug 16 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Not even correct | Aug 16 22:15 |
| schestowitz | gartner pro-patents FUD: | Aug 16 22:16 |
| schestowitz | There's more of it coming | Aug 16 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://newz.dk/messerschmidt-vil-tage-odf-ooxml-strid-med-til-eu | Aug 16 22:16 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/homembit/statuses/3323869088 | Aug 16 22:17 |
| yuhong | Yep, even Asay has updated their article. | Aug 16 22:17 |
| yuhong | "Update: See Sean Michael Kerner's post, suggesting that two particulars (i4i is not a patent troll and i4i and Microsoft had a business relationship) suggest that the open-source world has little to fear from this suit." | Aug 16 22:17 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/tb/9b116 | Aug 16 22:18 |
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| yuhong | On the matter of slashdot groupthink, here is one more article on it. | Aug 16 22:20 |
| yuhong | http://blog.citizendium.org/2009/05/22/disillusioned-with-web-20/ | Aug 16 22:20 |
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| yuhong | Anyway, it seems that 451 Group is the only analyst BN trusts. What makes it better than the other analysts. | Aug 16 22:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Max Bachus received more special interests money than any other senator http://ur1.ca/9dnu "We need more police" http://ur1.ca/9dp2 #COI | Aug 16 22:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Max Baucus received more special interests money than any other senator http://ur1.ca/9dnu "We need more police" http://ur1.ca/9dp2 #COI | Aug 16 22:34 | |
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| People in Arizona are insane http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/central/story/Drug-trends-Find-out-where-your-kids-could-be/4yTw374Uz0CMvHxa__HwUw.cspx | Aug 16 22:41 | |
| beer enemas and vodka tampons sound like some kind of cruel prank. | Aug 16 22:42 | |
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| yuhong | Anyway, I am reading this on slashdot. | Aug 16 22:43 |
| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/story/09/08/15/2217212/Easy-Work-Around-For-Microsoft-Words-Legal-Woes | Aug 16 22:43 |
| ha ha, Comcast to buy Disney, TW or other "content" providers. | Aug 16 22:44 | |
| http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/08/16/1915219/Comcast-Seeking-Control-of-Both-Pipes-and-Content | Aug 16 22:44 | |
| please, FTC and FCC shoot down that kind of nonsense. Disney net might actually be worse than comcast on it's own. | Aug 16 22:44 | |
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| fewa | twitter, that type of stuff happens everywhere | Aug 16 22:58 |
| fewa | esp small towns, and places with strong Republican concentrations | Aug 16 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | test./ | Aug 17 23:05 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 17 23:05 |
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| trmanco | heh | Aug 17 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, I needed to see system time | Aug 17 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I changed timezone. Finally got around to it. I was probably posting under the wrong time zone in the header and someone E-mailed me about it | Aug 17 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I set it to GMT, but GB was needed for it to be right | Aug 17 23:06 |
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| ugh, Vista 7 Hype. Bestest Windows Evah! http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/first-look-windows7 | Aug 17 23:09 | |
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| looks almost as nice as a poorly configured KDE 4 desktop. too bad it won't work as well. | Aug 17 23:10 | |
| MinceR | "first look", they say. lol. | Aug 17 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | roy@baine:~/Desktop$ uptime | Aug 17 23:12 |
| schestowitz | 22:39:13 up 202 days, 11:40, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.07 | Aug 17 23:12 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 17 23:12 |
| I like that they put a worm in the middle of the desktop. | Aug 17 23:13 | |
| Car analogy, sigh. so many cliches | Aug 17 23:15 | |
| car link. Can you spell product placement? | Aug 17 23:15 | |
| " a clean, modern look that competes with Apple’s finely designed Mac OS X Leopard." I see this one a lot. It's high on the talking point list. | Aug 17 23:16 | |
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| trmanco | but... it's still windows | Aug 17 23:17 |
| schestowitz | 'Rumours of Massive Sell-off at Microsoft Remain | Boycott Novell: The rumor we have heard is that MSFT will sell.. http://bit.ly/2rQTZI " http://twitter.com/Affil_Ebaya/statuses/3350129754 | Aug 17 23:18 |
| schestowitz | So I guess it's another person hearing about Microsoft dumping a small division of itself | Aug 17 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Good news for FOSS | Aug 17 23:19 |
| It's amazing how M$ and Apple refuse to make the leap into the virtual windows world. They create so many stupid UI tricks, all to work around their idiotic single screen limitation. | Aug 17 23:20 | |
| " only windows and apps using video memory are those visible on your screen. Windows users are accustomed to closing applications to boost performance" | Aug 17 23:22 | |
| I'm not sure where to even begin on that one. | Aug 17 23:22 | |
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| GNU/Linux users are used to running dozens of applications without a performance hit. | Aug 17 23:23 | |
| trmanco | of course | Aug 17 23:23 |
| he promises USB drives will "just work" miracle, of miracles? | Aug 17 23:24 | |
| trmanco | all usb drives have worked in linux | Aug 17 23:24 |
| LOL -> There are also some annoyances that will remind you, “This is still Windows.” | Aug 17 23:24 | |
| trmanco | and on windwos xp afaik | Aug 17 23:24 |
| fewa | Windows has had to keep a outdates, under-performing, insecure USB driver model | Aug 17 23:25 |
| nah, XP actually needs "drivers" for some USB devices. It's really lame. | Aug 17 23:25 | |
| trmanco | well, in that case | Aug 17 23:25 |
| Vista, Vista 7 and Vista 8 will surely be just as lame. | Aug 17 23:25 | |
| trmanco | the usb ships with the driver | Aug 17 23:25 |
| trmanco | with an autorun file *pling* | Aug 17 23:26 |
| what about your friend's usb drive? | Aug 17 23:26 | |
| ThistleWeb | yeah xp gives several pop up baloons in the system tray one after the other telling you it's found a usb device, then what it's called, then that it's installing a driver for it, then finally that it's ready to use | Aug 17 23:26 |
| do you really want to automatically execute files off random USB devices? | Aug 17 23:26 | |
| trmanco | ThistleWeb, forgot a case when it couldn't be installed | Aug 17 23:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, xp is so proud about being able to handle a usb mass storage device | Aug 17 23:27 |
| MinceR | "oh look, i can actually use this device!" | Aug 17 23:27 |
| amazing poverty | Aug 17 23:27 | |
| ThistleWeb | trmanco: I dont remember coming across that but it wouldn't surprise me | Aug 17 23:27 |
| MinceR | at least xp could unmount it properly | Aug 17 23:27 |
| MinceR | unlike vista | Aug 17 23:27 |
| if they promise USB will "just work" you know it won't | Aug 17 23:27 | |
| MinceR | where it only works some of the time | Aug 17 23:27 |
| trmanco | unmount... meh | Aug 17 23:28 |
| trmanco | not the kind of unmount we are used to | Aug 17 23:28 |
| ThistleWeb | what annoys me is that windows only knows about MS own filesystems | Aug 17 23:28 |
| trmanco | FAT | Aug 17 23:28 |
| MinceR | you can install the ext2 driver | Aug 17 23:28 |
| they still don't have rational mime types and rely on file extensions, poorly. | Aug 17 23:28 | |
| MinceR | i always do :> | Aug 17 23:28 |
| ThistleWeb | ext3 = non recognised | Aug 17 23:28 |
| -> We also found the software-compatibility checker to be kind of lame. For example, when we downloaded TweetDeck, a .air file which requires Adobe Air, Windows 7 didn’t recognize the file extension and offered to do a search for compatible software. That search did not discover Adobe Air — a pretty popular format — so we were disappointed. | Aug 17 23:28 | |
| trmanco | there are drivers for ext3 too | Aug 17 23:28 |
| MinceR | the ext2 driver works with ext3 too, it just won't do journaling | Aug 17 23:28 |
| MinceR | so if the machine crashes, you'll have to fsck | Aug 17 23:29 |
| ThistleWeb | I mayb have to look into that | Aug 17 23:29 |
| the last thing I want is Winblows to be able to see or write to ext2 or ext3. | Aug 17 23:29 | |
| trmanco | fsck in windows heh | Aug 17 23:29 |
| MinceR | that's how i shared the storage partition with it | Aug 17 23:29 |
| ThistleWeb | when I need to use my xp partition, I have to plan for a few hours and copy across podcasts etc, since I cant see anything else from inside xp | Aug 17 23:29 |
| MinceR | so it wouldn't have to be burdened with some fat or ntfs crap | Aug 17 23:29 |
| I share my computer with Windows by deleting Windows. | Aug 17 23:29 | |
| fewa | ^ | Aug 17 23:30 |
| trmanco | it's not windows writing to ext3, it's an appropriate explorer like app that writes to it that working on windows | Aug 17 23:30 |
| trmanco | it's slightly different | Aug 17 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | deleting windows is not a definition of sharing I recognise | Aug 17 23:30 |
| trmanco | that is* | Aug 17 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | sharing means it's still there | Aug 17 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | sharing a drive with something esle | Aug 17 23:30 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, thank you , Mr. obvious | Aug 17 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah he sometimes gets carried away | Aug 17 23:31 |
| fewa | thats your words | Aug 17 23:31 |
| fewa | not his or mine | Aug 17 23:31 |
| MinceR | that's Captain Obvious. | Aug 17 23:31 |
| ut oh. Echo box http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/176550.asp?from=blog_last3 | Aug 17 23:31 | |
| ThistleWeb | oooh I get military rank now? | Aug 17 23:31 |
| MinceR | more like superhero rank | Aug 17 23:31 |
| ThistleWeb | awww shucks | Aug 17 23:31 |
| MinceR | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_Obvious | Aug 17 23:32 |
| *ThistleWeb will need to look out his spandex undies for the occasion | Aug 17 23:32 | |
| LOL first comment shreds it -> This is akin to saying that the last Yugo that was manufactured was the "best yet." | Aug 17 23:32 | |
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| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 17 23:32 |
| trmanco | best yet hun | Aug 17 23:32 |
| trmanco | that's what they said about vista | Aug 17 23:32 |
| ThistleWeb | every corp has to say their latest is their best yet | Aug 17 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | what happens to the share price if they say "actually, the last version we're replacing with this one is better" | Aug 17 23:33 |
| trmanco | true | Aug 17 23:33 |
| trmanco | but them saying "the best yet" should also be true | Aug 17 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | the response would be "why replace it then" or "what have your R&D been doing" | Aug 17 23:34 |
| trmanco | which in many cases it's pure BS | Aug 17 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | best yet could also be true | Aug 17 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | does not mean its any good compared to the competition | Aug 17 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | just the best they've managed to put out | Aug 17 23:34 |
| trmanco | good point | Aug 17 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | like a mountain bike racing a ferrari | Aug 17 23:35 |
| trmanco | heh | Aug 17 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | dont stand a chance of catching the ferrari, but if it closes the gap more than the last bike it's their best attemtp yet | Aug 17 23:35 |
| trmanco | the ferrari better be pulled with cows or donkeys | Aug 17 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | actually windows 7 may well be the best windows yet | Aug 17 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the first time they've HAD to produce | Aug 17 23:36 |
| trmanco | that still remains unproved | Aug 17 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | very true | Aug 17 23:36 |
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| ThistleWeb | I don't think MS are used to putting out a good product | Aug 17 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont think theyre set up particularly well for it | Aug 17 23:37 |
| trmanco | I bet you not even bill can name one | Aug 17 23:37 |
| trmanco | one product that was actually made by them | Aug 17 23:37 |
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| trmanco | with no external interferences | Aug 17 23:37 |
| ThistleWeb | but they've had to produce, since vista was a disaster, and there;s now a mass-market-ready linux alternative | Aug 17 23:37 |
| ThistleWeb | no windows has been rejected en masse like vista | Aug 17 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | even the worst of them has been adopted because peeps saw no choice | Aug 17 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Vista was also called best and most secure | Aug 17 23:38 |
| trmanco | ME? | Aug 17 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Ignore that hype | Aug 17 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe ME | Aug 17 23:38 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, take your trolling elsewhere | Aug 17 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | possibly ME came out too close to 98 SE | Aug 17 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Just seeing the Microsoft PE 'blogs' (Seattle P-I is one of them) writing a "me too!" article is funny | Aug 17 23:39 |
| trmanco | ? | Aug 17 23:39 |
| trmanco | slow news day | Aug 17 23:39 |
| ThistleWeb | lol fewa | Aug 17 23:39 |
| fewa | I don't believe the hype | Aug 17 23:39 |
| fewa | Its just Vista 7 | Aug 17 23:40 |
| trmanco | it's just windows | Aug 17 23:40 |
| tacone | uh, clotilde reiss out of iran's prison | Aug 17 23:41 |
| fewa | It looks bad, performs bad, breaks compatibility, introduces more anti-features, incites more treadmills | Aug 17 23:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | .... wait, what? | Aug 17 23:41 |
| ThistleWeb | fewa, I'm obviously aware of a different definition of trolling, please educate me on where I am going wrong | Aug 17 23:42 |
| Why ignore they hype when you can log it? http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/216759 | Aug 17 23:42 | |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, i guess it wasn't trolling | Aug 17 23:42 |
| fewa | I just don't see how you can sanly say that because the past history of products was bad, that somehow will make future products better. | Aug 17 23:43 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm not | Aug 17 23:43 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm saying that they have to say that | Aug 17 23:43 |
| fewa | That is certainly not something that is a sane link of causayion | Aug 17 23:44 |
| fewa | well they do | Aug 17 23:44 |
| ThistleWeb | corps always have to imaginatively claim it's all uphill, even if it's not | Aug 17 23:44 |
| It will be fun to cross link the inevitable apologies, like these from vista http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/192990 | Aug 17 23:45 | |
| with the hype they must apologize for | Aug 17 23:45 | |
| fewa | That is why their heads are in the imaginary stratosphere, and they often sound like they are from Mars. | Aug 17 23:45 |
| ThistleWeb | any successful PR wont lie, but will selectively use words to mislead | Aug 17 23:46 |
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| Diablo-D3 | microsoft is very successful at it | Aug 17 23:46 |
| fewa | twitter, you missed the biggest blaring security hole in Vista 7: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.pretentiousname.com/misc/win7_uac_whitelist2.html&ei=Ao6ISs_sDpKcswOW073kAg&sa=X&oi=spellmeleon_result&resnum=1&ct=result&usg=AFQjCNHUtuQCw-IQz2ygehY8pFK3_5zEIQ | Aug 17 23:47 |
| fewa | ahhh http://www.pretentiousname.com/misc/win7_uac_whitelist2.html | Aug 17 23:47 |
| ThistleWeb | they are on official channels, while also lying through unofficial channels | Aug 17 23:47 |
| fewa | evil google redirect.... | Aug 17 23:47 |
| Here's CNet Calling Vista one of the 10 "worst consumer tech" of 2007. | Aug 17 23:47 | |
| http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/26/2358239 | Aug 17 23:47 | |
| You would think that the same publication would go easy on praise of Vista 7. | Aug 17 23:48 | |
| fewa | Microsoft couldn't manage to rewrite their own code to seperate out security sensitive parts, and just said hell with security and decided to run all their code under admin mode all the time | Aug 17 23:48 |
| fewa | ***Even calc.exe | Aug 17 23:48 |
| fewa | o i guess you have it | Aug 17 23:49 |
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