| Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1jpE6b7wQ | Aug 18 00:00 |
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| Diablo-D3 | is he fighting.... the msn butterfly? | Aug 18 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Vista was hailed as a great OS in 2006 | Aug 18 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | vista was a great OS in 1996. | Aug 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it | Aug 18 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | sadly it didnt come out for another ten years | Aug 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz | They even mastered a... STARTUP sound... after months of alleged work | Aug 18 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Turdish OS... all it needed then was some good audio | Aug 18 00:02 |
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| M$ mastered the startup sound years ago, when they made it impossible to turn off. | Aug 18 00:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does the Intel/Microsoft Relationship Qualify as a Cartel? http://ping.fm/TH96N | Aug 18 00:16 | |
| I think this is it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt1bgsvsWms | Aug 18 00:16 | |
| schestowitz | yes, audio enabled was a big storm in 2007 | Aug 18 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Or 2006 | Aug 18 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I can't remember Microsoft's excuse and response to it | Aug 18 00:17 |
| everywhere you go, you hear that stupid noise. | Aug 18 00:17 | |
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| what a pain. Youtube broke Lenny's clive. it works on testing | Aug 18 00:23 | |
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| schestowitz | Ha. See? | Aug 18 00:30 |
| schestowitz | They keep moving goalposts | Aug 18 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I used PyTube in 2008 and they broke it too. It was a nice GUI | Aug 18 00:31 |
| yes, I see | Aug 18 00:31 | |
| schestowitz | How's trolling on /.? | Aug 18 00:31 |
| heavy | Aug 18 00:31 | |
| schestowitz | I see them publishing a lot of Slashvertisements | Aug 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft luuuuurvs OSS | Aug 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz | VIsta 7 will rock!! | Aug 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Linux AlmostReadyforTheDesktop(R) | Aug 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Rise. Repeat. | Aug 18 00:32 |
| schestowitz | *Rinse | Aug 18 00:32 |
| them trying to out me, pointing to pictures of what they think are my wife and kids. it's ugly. | Aug 18 00:32 | |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's what the trolls do. Don't waste _a minute_ on them. If they assault you, especially in a personal ,confrontational way, then it means you do well. They either discredit the messenger or drive him/her away. | Aug 18 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Those who are not a risk to Microsoft (or those unhelpful to Linux) are not worth bothering with, not in the eyes of the trolls anyway. So it's like a reverse endorsement. Bad is good and good is bad, based on the trolls' actions. | Aug 18 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | They would be happy if you just left /. (left it _for them_ to control) | Aug 18 00:34 |
| smear here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1337053&cid=29073927 | Aug 18 00:35 | |
| threat to rape wife here, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1307015&cid=28831853 | Aug 18 00:37 | |
| the usual shit. | Aug 18 00:37 | |
| schestowitz | Errrrr.. | Aug 18 00:41 |
| schestowitz | ""When you see a unixer brainwashed beyond saving, kick him out of the door." - Xah Lee" | Aug 18 00:41 |
| schestowitz | That troll | Aug 18 00:41 |
| schestowitz | My mate had him kicked by the ISP for abuse | Aug 18 00:41 |
| M$ sucks up 400 Yahoo employees. Found looking up "Microsoft Layoff" http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ix-XWTSGJLpyQX6v9KQPCOjrHX1gD99SCAN00 | Aug 18 00:42 | |
| Did you see the heartless story, where M$ fired a 31 year old employee who was waiting for a heart transplant? http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420ap_wa_gift_of_life.html?source=mypi | Aug 18 00:45 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: ..... hurr. | Aug 18 00:46 |
| The unquoteable AP article claims that M$ hired all of Yahoo's search team. | Aug 18 00:47 | |
| http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-tc-biz-tech-ballmer-0729-080aug03,0,4608230.story | Aug 18 00:48 | |
| -> Ever since the Yahoo merger talks began, Microsoft steadily hired away top Yahoo talent, including the head of its search group in December. Now, Yahoo will hand the rest of its core search team over to Microsoft. Ballmer gets pretty much all the engineering talent he wanted, without the hassle and cost of merging the entire company. Yahoo will keep some search developers, to work on different projects, and lay off others. | Aug 18 00:49 | |
| Yahoo search is destroyed, before regulators looked at anything. | Aug 18 00:49 | |
| The choice seems to have been, "go work for M$ or be fired" | Aug 18 00:50 | |
| M$ will fire them later, we can be sure. | Aug 18 00:50 | |
| schestowitz | Even discussing what you read in AP is verboten | Aug 18 00:51 |
| schestowitz | For one's mind _only_ | Aug 18 00:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | AP sucks for news anyhow | Aug 18 00:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're always behind everyone else | Aug 18 00:52 |
| schestowitz | gb | Aug 18 00:54 |
| schestowitz | gn | Aug 18 00:54 |
| That's OK, the Chicago Tribune did a better job anyway. That is what's quoted above | Aug 18 00:54 | |
| sleep tight | Aug 18 00:54 | |
| fewa | yep | Aug 18 01:02 |
| fewa | now i have to switch to fully google | Aug 18 01:02 |
| fewa | say goodbye to choice | Aug 18 01:02 |
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| Emergency! M$ code blue over the Word injunction. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090816192814737 | Aug 18 04:02 | |
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| more about i4i http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/the-biblical-vengeance-of-i4i/article1253054/ | Aug 18 04:34 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://news.aol.com/article/milwaukee-mayor-tom-barrett-hit-with/624028?icid=main|hp-desktop|dl1|link4|http://news.aol.com/article/milwaukee-mayor-tom-barrett-hit-with/624028 | Aug 18 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | this man has brass balls. | Aug 18 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | though apparently his stance on gun ownership is in violation of the constitution | Aug 18 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh well | Aug 18 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | his karma is neutral now | Aug 18 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow, and hes apparently 6 foot 5 | Aug 18 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | if he broke his hand beating the guy, the guy should be half dead | Aug 18 05:03 |
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| M$ press is ramping up it's attack on Windows XP. They act like it is a strange thing that no one runs. http://www.pcworld.com/article/170198/microsoft_windows_xp_should_it_be_allowed_to_live.html | Aug 18 06:27 | |
| as if Vista had taken over, ha ha. | Aug 18 06:27 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: they should attack it though | Aug 18 06:28 |
| http://www.pcworld.com/article/170198/microsoft_windows_xp_should_it_be_allowed_to_live.html | Aug 18 06:28 | |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Aug 18 06:28 |
| ah, same link. | Aug 18 06:28 | |
| Diablo-D3 | it actually does suck | Aug 18 06:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | now only if they'd do the same for vista and 7 >_) | Aug 18 06:28 |
| http://technologizer.com/2009/08/13/still-use-windows-xp-take-a-survey/ | Aug 18 06:28 | |
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| Seattle PI hopes and prays XP will die. http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/174987.asp?from=blog_last3 | Aug 18 06:34 | |
| Propaganda and lies. Vista failed. | Aug 18 06:34 | |
| Forrester claims.... | Aug 18 06:35 | |
| -> Linux use was at 0.1 percent of the corporate PC market. | Aug 18 06:37 | |
| LOL | Aug 18 06:37 | |
| Early Vista 7 Failure report http://jkontherun.com/2009/08/14/from-windows-7-back-to-xp-on-the-toshiba-nb205-netbook/ | Aug 18 06:39 | |
| -> I was humming along with Windows 7 for most of this past week. And then something happened. My browser crawled to a stop yesterday. I’m not sure what changed — if anything — but it was like someone had secretly snuck into my netbook and swapped the 2GB stick with a 256MB module. The CPU kept hitting 100 percent, so browser tabs were taking 15 seconds or more to render content. That’s a productivity killer for what I do, | Aug 18 06:39 | |
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| http://slashdot.org/submission/1056655/Early-Windows-7-Trouble-Report | Aug 18 06:47 | |
| vista 7 failure log updated http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215957 | Aug 18 06:50 | |
| Predatory pricing for XP on netbooks will continue http://www.liliputing.com/2009/08/windows-7-starter-edition-to-cost-more-than-windows-xp-for-netbooks.html | Aug 18 06:51 | |
| -> Not only will Windows XP Home Edition still be available as an option for the immediate future, but it will be cheaper than Windows 7 Starter Edition. | Aug 18 06:52 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Aug 17 07:23 |
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| fewa | wow, yeah Jim Allchin is the only guy that without a head in the sand. http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/px07168.pdf | Aug 17 09:13 |
| fewa | (was) | Aug 17 09:26 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 17 09:38:07 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Aug 17 09:38 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 17 09:38 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri Jun 12 18:24:05 2009 | Aug 17 09:38 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Aug 17 09:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Emergency Motion to Prevent a Ban on Microsoft Word http://bit.ly/lhwUg | Aug 17 09:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mono Team Puts Microsoft’s GPL-incompatible Licence Inside GNU/Linux http://bit.ly/ZpTmE | Aug 17 09:40 | |
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| fewa | schestowitz, is this good http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-931Spring-2008/Readings/index.htm ? | Aug 17 09:47 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I noticed that | Aug 17 09:49 |
| fewa | You link to it | Aug 17 09:50 |
| schestowitz | The link was good. | Aug 17 09:50 |
| fewa | here | Aug 17 09:50 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall where I got it | Aug 17 09:50 |
| fewa | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/17/i4i-patent-more-details/ | Aug 17 09:50 |
| fewa | Ive watch alot of the MIT OCW stuff | Aug 17 09:50 |
| fewa | its great stuff | Aug 17 09:50 |
| schestowitz | This Week: Benchmarking, Benchmarking, & IGDNG < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzQ2MA > | Aug 17 09:52 |
| schestowitz | fewa: could do a site search for the quote | Aug 17 09:53 |
| schestowitz | fewa: you can get full lecture videos in some places | Aug 17 09:53 |
| fewa | I have watched the entire 7.012 biology series | Aug 17 09:54 |
| fewa | excellent http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Biology/7-012Fall-2004/VideoLectures/ | Aug 17 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Nice. Bookmarked | Aug 17 09:55 |
| fewa | how do you manage your bookmarks? | Aug 17 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | Firefox | Aug 17 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Messy these days | Aug 17 10:08 |
| schestowitz | THings like Google made bookmarks a little obsolete for some things | Aug 17 10:08 |
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| *schestowitz oraganises his Palm records | Aug 17 10:10 | |
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| fewa | There was a great section on Bill Maher's show that covered health care crazies and Remote Area Medical | Aug 17 10:47 |
| fewa | better discussion than I have seen | Aug 17 10:48 |
| amarsh04_ | best contrast I saw between .au and .us health care system was a speech by the head of the Australian Pharmacy Guild talking of his experiences getting presriptions filled for one of his sick children while in New York | Aug 17 10:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Pentagon warned Bush http://ur1.ca/9ezl http://ur1.ca/9ezm now Obama http://ur1.ca/8rjt global #climate change will be biggest threat. | Aug 17 10:58 | |
| fewa | He seemed to refuse to attack special interests | Aug 17 11:03 |
| fewa | take that back | Aug 17 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Meh. Bush. | Aug 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure Bush hired the bst pseudo-scientists to deny it somehow | Aug 17 11:38 |
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| fewa | the pentegon is not the most liberal organization | Aug 17 12:05 |
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| schestowitz | "The botnet was in Brazil and Nazario said he found a Twitter account that was used to send out what looked like garbled messages. But they were actually commands for computers in a botnet to visit malicious websites where they could download programs that steal banking passwords." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529300/twitter-control-botnet | Aug 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Some people showed how tinyURL can be (mis)used for compression. That was about 3 yrs ago | Aug 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Apple accuses Psystar of destroying evidence < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529255/apple-accuses-psystar-destroying-evidence > Intel did something similar in Europe, it's said | Aug 17 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | There's lots if disinformation about Twitter doing just what it's SUPPOSED to do: store text: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/143610 | Aug 17 13:00 |
| schestowitz | MoD stokes media-paralysing UFO feedback loop < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/17/mod_ufo_feedback_loop/ > | Aug 17 13:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A glimpse at a decent-looking classic car that runs on electric power: http://ping.fm/r0mff | Aug 17 13:07 | |
| schestowitz | WTF? Man catches MSI laptop with... his arse < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/15/msi_but_advert/ > How is this special effect done? | Aug 17 13:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Hillary Clinton [...] appeared to equate US democracy with Nigeria's corrupt election system." http://ping.fm/7YdUN | Aug 17 13:15 | |
| schestowitz | Are these just mockups? http://itc.ua/node/40048 | Aug 17 13:17 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: iirc they showed those on the official asus website, too | Aug 17 13:19 |
| MinceR | where they're trying to sell that machine | Aug 17 13:19 |
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| schestowitz | Based on illusion? | Aug 17 13:24 |
| MinceR | dunno | Aug 17 13:25 |
| MinceR | they're probably hoping that the resistive touchscreen will be enough | Aug 17 13:25 |
| MinceR | otherwise it's a pretty weak netbook | Aug 17 13:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.antitrustinstitute.org/index.rss "AAI Urges President Obama to Give International Priority to Competition Issues" Varnee seems useless | Aug 17 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | Novell employees are pimping VB/.NET as though this is the future of Linux: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090816115010615 | Aug 17 13:29 |
| schestowitz | OOps. http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2008/12/fun-with-tries.html | Aug 17 13:29 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how the SUSE guys at Nuremberg feel about those Microsofters in Mass. who serve Microsoft | Aug 17 13:30 |
| schestowitz | SUSE has some female hackers too http://hedgehogpainter.livejournal.com/8151.html | Aug 17 13:31 |
| schestowitz | benJIman seems to be traveling. http://benjiweber.co.uk/blog/2009/08/16/switzerland/ | Aug 17 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Scarce response: http://forums.opensuse.org/surveys-polls/416228-how-opensuse-news.html | Aug 17 13:36 |
| MinceR | 143737 <@schestowitz> I wonder how the SUSE guys at Nuremberg feel about those Microsofters in Mass. who serve Microsoft | Aug 17 13:37 |
| MinceR | 143737 <@schestowitz> I wonder how the SUSE guys at Nuremberg feel about those Microsofters in Mass. who serve Microsoft | Aug 17 13:37 |
| MinceR | imo they should leave | Aug 17 13:37 |
| MinceR | and start a new company and a new distro | Aug 17 13:37 |
| MinceR | and avoid the m$/novell axis | Aug 17 13:38 |
| schestowitz | What abut wage? | Aug 17 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Novell uses them for street credit | Aug 17 13:45 |
| schestowitz | *ced | Aug 17 13:45 |
| schestowitz | *credentials | Aug 17 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Damn. I should proofread. Anyway, Novell poisons Linux and then says "but look, we actually help Linux... look at those guys we hired from SuSE" | Aug 17 13:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.enricozini.org/ is coming to Manc | Aug 17 13:49 |
| schestowitz | What are the top 25 movies for geeks? < http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/archives/2009/08/index.html#001212 > | Aug 17 13:53 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: they got wage while suse was independent, didn't they? | Aug 17 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Why does the name ring a bell? http://jeremy.visser.name/contact/ | Aug 17 13:59 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jeremyvisser/statuses/3342085796 "Well now we have (limited) out-of-the-box support for ODF on Windows, Mac OS X, and most Linux distros. What's next? Extend (step 2)?" | Aug 17 13:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true. | Aug 17 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Would yet another Linux company be viable for VC? | Aug 17 13:59 |
| MinceR | they might be too late to catch the suse customers who didn't like the m$/novell deal, though | Aug 17 14:00 |
| schestowitz | "If you blog and also are on Twitter or a competitor, I think that’s a problem. Twitter doesn’t (yet) have a business model, and doesn’t make it terribly easy to refer back to the beginning of your tweet-stream, and the data is full of fragile URL-shortener output. So it’s time to reel things in." http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/08/12/Blog-and-Tweet | Aug 17 14:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true | Aug 17 14:01 |
| schestowitz | But people found new developers whom they like | Aug 17 14:01 |
| schestowitz | ping zoobab01 | Aug 17 14:02 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: What sites can be used to track news about software patents (Specifically)? | Aug 17 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Linux: game on. http://games.techwhack.com/2384-quake-live-2 | Aug 17 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Meh. http://gizmodo.com/5338089/how-to-bake-your-own-chrome-os-right-now | Aug 17 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Novell is finding themselves in a hard place. | Aug 17 14:08 |
| oiaohm | There only growing department is the SUSE department. | Aug 17 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Wish I could find the graphic that shows by about 2015 if trend stays the same it would be most of there income. | Aug 17 14:09 |
| schestowitz | What a dellout: http://www.netbookchoice.com/2009/08/16/dell-mini-10-netbook-gets-2gb-ram-vista-options/ "Dell is so far not offering the 2GB option with Linux. " | Aug 17 14:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: and still losing money AFAIK | Aug 17 14:11 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cens.com/cens/html/en/news/news_inner_28917.html | Aug 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | "Noteworthy is that Window`s penetration rate in Taiwan`s server market for this year is down from last year`s 81.52% and 2005`s 84.58%, while that of Linux moves upward from 2005`s 7.75%. Last year, 44% and 34% of Taiwan`s public research labs and schools, respectively, preferred Linux as the two most acceptable segments, according to DGBAS. " | Aug 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Boom in requests for Linux drivers < http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39718162,00.htm > | Aug 17 14:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's shaping up well for Linux admins. More servers = more jobs, less downtime, more unemployed MCSEs | Aug 17 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Not good over all. | Aug 17 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Linux admins like me service a huge area since stuff rarely breaks. | Aug 17 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Most cases is not more linux admins instead less time for Linux admins like me to play video games. | Aug 17 14:25 |
| oiaohm | I am going to miss it. | Aug 17 14:25 |
| schestowitz | The Perfect Desktop - Kubuntu 9.04 < http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-kubuntu-9.04 > | Aug 17 14:27 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no, no, local vulnrabilities | Aug 17 14:27 |
| schestowitz | So much less fun then Windows-esque remotely-exploitable ones | Aug 17 14:27 |
| oiaohm | local vulnrabilities are rarely exploited. | Aug 17 14:28 |
| oiaohm | In the Linux world. | Aug 17 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Since the software supply path is controlled. | Aug 17 14:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just had a call from Police saying they have a photo off CCTV of the guy suspected of stealing my bike. http://bit.ly/l6lyT | Aug 17 14:28 | |
| schestowitz | I think the OpenSSH bug in Debian was the last serious one, over a year ago | Aug 17 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Bad for passwordless-login users | Aug 17 14:29 |
| oiaohm | And that was only idiots who had that problem. | Aug 17 14:29 |
| oiaohm | My ssh hides behind single packet knocking. | Aug 17 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Patches immediately | Aug 17 14:29 |
| schestowitz | *ched | Aug 17 14:29 |
| oiaohm | So unless you know the packet knock even if you have the exploit is usless. | Aug 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | I do passwordless login with one Debian box. | Aug 17 14:30 |
| oiaohm | I guess you don't knock. | Aug 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Were these any major incident in the fallout? | Aug 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | I man, Debian on servers in huge | Aug 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | So the "Linux is too small" excuse does not apply | Aug 17 14:31 |
| oiaohm | There was fall out. | Aug 17 14:31 |
| schestowitz | I think there were mostly just warnings about DNS servers and such that ran Debian and hadn't patched at the time | Aug 17 14:31 |
| oiaohm | ssh had been hammer before that to cause ddos. | Aug 17 14:31 |
| oiaohm | So lot of admins like me had it hidden so it could not be used as a ddos attack weakness. | Aug 17 14:32 |
| schestowitz | There are solutions to this | Aug 17 14:32 |
| schestowitz | sshdeny | Aug 17 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Delaying, limiting of incoming IPs, users, etc. | Aug 17 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Whitelist based is good in 99% of cases | Aug 17 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Unless you assume you'll be SSHing into your box in the coming month while on vacation in CHina or something | Aug 17 14:33 |
| oiaohm | http://www.cipherdyne.org/fwknop/ << This schestowitz | Aug 17 14:33 |
| oiaohm | It supports the sshing from china option. | Aug 17 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Or the back of burk where I could be at times. | Aug 17 14:33 |
| schestowitz | "With fwknop deployed, anyone using nmap to look for sshd can't even tell that it is listening; it makes no difference if they have a 0-day exploit or not." | Aug 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Windows had a telnet flaw | Aug 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Remotely exploitable | Aug 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | People didn't notice much | Aug 17 14:35 |
| schestowitz | When Solaris had one there was a _huge_ riot | Aug 17 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's telnet flaw was one among many this month | Aug 17 14:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Aug/1022712.html | Aug 17 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Oops. THis one: http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Aug/1022716.html | Aug 17 14:36 |
| schestowitz | TITLE: "Microsoft Telnet NTLM Credential Reflection Flaw Lets Remote Users Gain Access " | Aug 17 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Really fwknop hidden ssh should become the Linux default. | Aug 17 14:36 |
| oiaohm | You cannot attack something you cannot see. | Aug 17 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Effectively. | Aug 17 14:37 |
| MinceR | it might be difficult to use from mobile devices though | Aug 17 14:38 |
| MinceR | you need a port knocking client | Aug 17 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Not really just have the right mobile devices. | Aug 17 14:39 |
| MinceR | mobile devices tend to suck | Aug 17 14:39 |
| MinceR | you can call yourself lucky if you have an ssh client | Aug 17 14:39 |
| schestowitz | We need more news to keep this space-filling junk from coming: "Do Open Source Software Licenses Have a Purpose?" < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4629.html > | Aug 17 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Blank page syndrome. | Aug 17 14:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Maemo | Aug 17 14:41 |
| schestowitz | OpenMoko too | Aug 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | which won't work as a phone | Aug 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | which won't support umts | Aug 17 14:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: VoIP | Aug 17 14:41 |
| schestowitz | The Meamo guy who spoke to FLOSS Weekly did the whole show from his sauna | Aug 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | voip is unnecessary hassle when you're trying to call a real phone | Aug 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | also, you might get a lot more problems with coverage | Aug 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | It has potential | Aug 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | FUD around it, too. | Aug 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | And throttling | Aug 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | By ISPs that are also phone carriers | Aug 17 14:42 |
| MinceR | potential won't help when you need an actual product | Aug 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | That does exist | Aug 17 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Also fwknop knock client is close enough to pure c to use c to java converter and it works. | Aug 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Not on HypePhone | Aug 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Apple killed Google Talk | Aug 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | AT&Bush | Aug 17 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie right devices MinceR somethat that supports java and networking functions. | Aug 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | i'm thinking of getting a symbian pda/phone | Aug 17 14:43 |
| skype and ekiga both cal "real" phones | Aug 17 14:43 | |
| MinceR | i'm really tired of winmo5 | Aug 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | and android is really insufficient for me | Aug 17 14:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: used Palm before? | Aug 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | yup | Aug 17 14:43 |
| you can set up Astrisks to call "real" phones too | Aug 17 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | And..? | Aug 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | it sucked horribly | Aug 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | no multitasking, no memory management | Aug 17 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Before they moved to some winmob [sivc] | Aug 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | and it died 1 month after the warranty expired | Aug 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | centros still run palmos5 | Aug 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | but palmos5 still sucks | Aug 17 14:44 |
| schestowitz | What for? | Aug 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | and webos/pre spies on its users | Aug 17 14:44 |
| I liked and still use a Handspring. | Aug 17 14:44 | |
| schestowitz | What do you do on winmob [sic]? | Aug 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | lots | Aug 17 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Cut and paste !! | Aug 17 14:44 |
| schestowitz | iPhone gained this feature | Aug 17 14:44 |
| works for me | Aug 17 14:44 | |
| schestowitz | It's on TV now ! | Aug 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | alarm (which fails on winmo), calendar, todo, phone, sms, mobile web, gprs/edge tethering, note taking | Aug 17 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK they advertise cut and paste for 30 seconds | Aug 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | music playing (though the headset connector sucks) | Aug 17 14:45 |
| MinceR | ebook reading | Aug 17 14:45 |
| schestowitz | "Ooohh... look it's shiny.. and it can paste stuff" | Aug 17 14:45 |
| MinceR | calculator, dice roller | Aug 17 14:45 |
| MinceR | it's also my watch (another area where winmo fails hard) | Aug 17 14:45 |
| winmob is supposed to have stability problems | Aug 17 14:45 | |
| MinceR | btw, it fails at tethering too | Aug 17 14:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Palm did audio too | Aug 17 14:45 |
| MinceR | it still has them, twitter | Aug 17 14:45 |
| schestowitz | I put music on SD cards | Aug 17 14:45 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i know | Aug 17 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Very convenient and portable | Aug 17 14:45 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: and just finding a player that will run in background is a total pain | Aug 17 14:45 |
| need free software! | Aug 17 14:46 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Palm has free and sophisticated clocking apps | Aug 17 14:46 |
| MinceR | palmos5 can't do everything i need it to do | Aug 17 14:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Real did that | Aug 17 14:46 |
| MinceR | winmo5 can do it, but can't do so reliably | Aug 17 14:46 |
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| telcos suck life | Aug 17 14:46 | |
| schestowitz | My Palm's headphone's jack is messed up, but it used to work well as a media player | Aug 17 14:47 |
| schestowitz | s/life// | Aug 17 14:47 |
| MinceR | using a phone and a music player on the same headset is tricky | Aug 17 14:47 |
| satipera | Reading the log takes a third of the time without Daemon fc what did he do for his temporary ban? | Aug 17 14:47 |
| MinceR | nokia and sony-ericsson have a nice solution though | Aug 17 14:47 |
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| MinceR | a headset with a standard 3.5mm headphone connector on the microphone unit | Aug 17 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Ask MinceR, satipera | Aug 17 14:48 |
| MinceR | that's one of the things i'm aiming for | Aug 17 14:48 |
| schestowitz | And see logs | Aug 17 14:48 |
| MinceR | satipera: he trolled, all the time | Aug 17 14:48 |
| MinceR | satipera: we got tired of him | Aug 17 14:48 |
| MinceR | also, i don't know why it's temporary, i think it should be permanent | Aug 17 14:48 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 17 14:48 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=6727 << 299 dollar 15 inch laptop. Hmm MS proft lines are not going to like this. | Aug 17 14:48 |
| MinceR | he got enough chances already | Aug 17 14:48 |
| satipera | I thought he was becoming beyond the pale when I read his right wing rantings one day | Aug 17 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I haven't the heart to do it | Aug 17 14:49 |
| schestowitz | He'd be left alone with his cat | Aug 17 14:49 |
| schestowitz | He's already banned from other channels | Aug 17 14:49 |
| MinceR | it's all his fault then | Aug 17 14:49 |
| schestowitz | " Redirect Loop" http://sphauth.asiaone.com/amserver/UI/Login?IDToken0=amfreeaccess&IDToken1=pass1234&goto=%2Famserver%2Fcdcservlet%3FTARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fsub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMethod%253DGET%26TARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fsub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMe | Aug 17 14:50 |
| schestowitz | thod%253DGET%26TARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fsub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMethod%253DGET%26TARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fsub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMethod%253DGET%26TARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fsub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252 | Aug 17 14:50 |
| schestowitz | C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMethod%253DGET%26TARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fsub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMethod%253DGET%26TARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fsub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMethod%253DGET%26TARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fs | Aug 17 14:50 |
| schestowitz | ub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMethod%253DGET%26TARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fsub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMethod%253DGET%26TARGET%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Fsub%252Fspecialfocus%252Fstory%252F0%252C4574%252C346295%252C00.html%253FsunwMethod%253DGET%26RequestID%3D12273%26MajorV | Aug 17 14:50 |
| schestowitz | ersion%3D1%26MinorVersion%3D0%26ProviderID%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.businesstimes.com.sg%253A80%252Famagent%26IssueInstant%3D2009-08-17T21%253A44%253A05Z | Aug 17 14:50 |
| MinceR | ugh | Aug 17 14:50 |
| satipera | He was a contradictory character, I do not know whether it was complexity or the truth coming out | Aug 17 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Asia One fail. | Aug 17 14:50 |
| satipera | was it something in particular I missed mincer? | Aug 17 14:52 |
| oiaohm | I miss sport of Daemonfc | Aug 17 14:52 |
| satipera | Oh well he will have more time to plan his election campaign :) | Aug 17 14:53 |
| MinceR | i don't think it was particular | Aug 17 14:53 |
| MinceR | more like general trolling | Aug 17 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | Opera on GNU/Linux - Moving an Account Reveals a Problem < http://blog.eracc.com/2009/08/16/opera-on-gnulinux-moving-an-account-reveals-a-problem/ > | Aug 17 14:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: racist/religious insults too | Aug 17 14:59 |
| MinceR | the specifics didn't leave a mark in me, so most of what i remember is if i can i'll ban him again :> | Aug 17 14:59 |
| schestowitz | By making things 'simpler' GNOME just makes it more complicated sometimes: http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/08/speed-up-auto-hide-panels.html | Aug 17 15:04 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Aug 17 15:04 | |
| schestowitz | Same with Firefox and about:config^H^H^H^HOBOTS | Aug 17 15:04 |
| MinceR | autobots? | Aug 17 15:06 |
| MinceR | i wonder if setting auto_hide_size to 0 will still work | Aug 17 15:07 |
| MinceR | that was the one thing i've always missed from non-kde panels | Aug 17 15:07 |
| MinceR | according to http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=107122 , 1px is the effective minimum :/ | Aug 17 15:09 |
| MinceR | there's a little bit of hackage for it at http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sls-archives/archives-suse-linux/archives-desktop-environments/381455-completely-hide-gnome-panel.html | Aug 17 15:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://digitizor.com/2009/08/16/a-beginners-guide-to-migrating-from-gnome-to-kde-in-ubuntu-9-04/ | Aug 17 15:11 |
| schestowitz | COmpiz doesn't play nice with auto-hide of main panel for me | Aug 17 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the session needs to be restarted for this to be graceful | Aug 17 15:12 |
| MinceR | currently i have a thin, always visible gnome panel along the left edge | Aug 17 15:12 |
| MinceR | just as wide as needed for the tray icons :) | Aug 17 15:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Initiative of Volunteers Spreads Many GNU/Linux Desktops http://ping.fm/kpMNn | Aug 17 15:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Five Facts That Windows User Commonly Misunderstand re: GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/csGGM | Aug 17 15:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Price of IBM's GNU/Linux Mainframe Cut Significantly http://ping.fm/MRXE9 | Aug 17 15:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Distributed File System Runs Under Linux, Chooses GPLv2 http://ping.fm/MnInQ | Aug 17 15:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Gaining at Windows' Expense Even Where It's Scarce (Taiwan) http://ping.fm/1Pk7p | Aug 17 15:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GIMP 2.7.0 Released http://ping.fm/uaSGo | Aug 17 15:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Virtualisation Makes Windows Just a Windows (in Linux) http://ping.fm/JiYsh | Aug 17 15:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux from Scratch 6.5 is Released http://ping.fm/7w22r | Aug 17 15:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Signs Another Distribution Partnership for GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/PWQ9R | Aug 17 15:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just upgraded my Acer Aspire Revo from 1GiB RAM to 2GiB in about 10 mins. Hurrah! | Aug 17 15:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] petition for official apology over alan turing http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing/ please forward | Aug 17 15:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another NAS is Based on Linux http://ping.fm/N6Pwo | Aug 17 15:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Both Debian and Ubuntu Have Their Place http://ping.fm/xWuD7 | Aug 17 16:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dell Adopt Another GNU/Linux Distribution and Looks Into GNU/Linux-only Devices (ARM) http://ping.fm/2DAB0 | Aug 17 16:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux-powered MyTouch 3G in Detail http://ping.fm/PlAcb | Aug 17 16:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MandrivaUser.de Makes Sub-notebooks Work and Look Better http://ping.fm/UQ5XN | Aug 17 16:08 | |
| schestowitz | That's one nasty typo. on Dell | Aug 17 16:10 |
| MinceR | Hell? | Aug 17 16:10 |
| MinceR | soon you'll be able to buy smartbooks that break in 2 years just from opening and closing the lid daily? yay! :> | Aug 17 16:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Confirmed: Dell Releasing Linux Phones, Fist Photos Leak http://ping.fm/fxJz9 | Aug 17 16:12 | |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 17 16:13 |
| schestowitz | First vs Fist | Aug 17 16:13 |
| schestowitz | "Fist Photos" | Aug 17 16:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Maddog Raises Awareness of Free Software and Codecs http://ping.fm/tCyo1 | Aug 17 16:13 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's like a bunch of Dell fist photos | Aug 17 16:15 |
| schestowitz | The fist of anger towards Dell products: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36TcG5XZDg | Aug 17 16:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Perl 6 Due by Springtime http://ping.fm/AsYoI | Aug 17 16:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bloggers Revolt in Italy Against Soft Censorship http://ping.fm/87aLH | Aug 17 16:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Formats-based Routes to Escaping Microsoft's (Already-Struggling) Cash Cow http://ping.fm/7Kl8z http://ping.fm/Nknm0 | Aug 17 16:22 | |
| *schestowitz listens to http://www.twit.tv/FLOSS | Aug 17 16:26 | |
| *MinceR is listening to: argon - frequency127nm | Aug 17 16:26 | |
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| sebsebseb | Bad news :( | Aug 17 16:40 |
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| sebsebseb | Grr http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8196242.stm | Aug 17 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Why Adbard is not getting enough support from Free Software websites? < http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/238/why-adbard-is-not-getting-enough-support-from-free-software-websites > | Aug 17 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, but it shows how vain and damaging Microsoft is (to the Web) | Aug 17 16:53 |
| *schestowitz watches http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Biology/7-012Fall-2004/VideoLectures/detail/embed01.htm | Aug 17 16:53 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I have known for years that they stop the web from becoming much better, big time | Aug 17 16:53 |
| MinceR | i suspect AdBard isn't well-known enough | Aug 17 16:53 |
| MinceR | and there aren't enough strictly free software sites | Aug 17 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | DNS is crippled again (Windows zombies) | Aug 17 17:37 |
| schestowitz | "James Governor, founder of analyst firm Red Monk, said: " Microsoft's position has been almost non-existent. NT was not something that you would use in an HPC environment." http://www.v3.co.uk/vnunet/news/2142469/microsoft-gets-clustering-hpc | Aug 17 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Peter Galli, pseudo journalist (now Microsoft employee): http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Patent-Deal-Up-in-the-Air/ | Aug 17 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | We now have just 5 brilliant Comes exhibits to go... all showing Microsoft anti-Linux and possible crime :-) | Aug 17 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Bribery too | Aug 17 17:42 |
| magentar_ | another piece of poorly written zdnet FUD http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4669 | Aug 17 17:42 |
| schestowitz | They talk about how they use minions in places like universities. amarsh04_ might be interested... they say it themselves | Aug 17 17:42 |
| schestowitz | magentar_: Blankenhorn is a proprietary guy | Aug 17 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Pandemic game kills time < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529340/pandemic-game-kills > | Aug 17 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Dana is being stupid there, I'd admit. Not the first time. Let me find something similar... | Aug 17 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | OK, I can't find it by headline (something like "#1 open source vulnerability") but the point he was making is that there was no centralised update in Linux. He could not be ANY more wrong. It's very much the opposite cause Linux update OS + Apps, whereas it's Windows that does not do this, so he blame Linux for a strength, making it seem like a weakness. He got own3e up in the comments. | Aug 17 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Oh, no. Not another one... Wordpress.com Launches WP.me - URL Shortener < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/17/wordpresscom-launches-wpme-url-shortener ? | Aug 17 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Twitter Tries To Put A Stop To Follower-Selling < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/17/twitter-tries-to-put-a-stop-to-follower-selling > This also ruined Digg. They friend-farm | Aug 17 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Pseudo-status | Aug 17 17:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Formats-based Routes to Escaping Microsoft's (Already-Struggling) Cash Cow http://ping.fm/uTo7w http://ping.fm/hZtbW | Aug 17 18:01 | |
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| schestowitz | Yes, People Dislike The RIAA Because Of Its Actions, Not Because Everyone Hates Music Business People < http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090814/0456465884.shtml > | Aug 17 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Gone Forever: What Does It Take to Really Disappear? < http://www.wired.com/vanish/2009/08/gone-forever-what-does-it-take-to-really-disappear/ > | Aug 17 18:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "A warning of creeping totalitarianism in U.S" http://ping.fm/2ZOFA | Aug 17 18:14 | |
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| yuhong | BTW, on MS and Slashdot, MS back in 2000 tried to use the DMCA to remove comments. | Aug 17 18:46 |
| yuhong | http://features.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/11/0153247 | Aug 17 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | Must have backfired | Aug 17 18:59 |
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| yuhong | Yep, probably. | Aug 17 19:03 |
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| yuhong | More problem with propagenda words like "piracy": | Aug 17 19:05 |
| yuhong | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090816/2244055890.shtml | Aug 17 19:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting ready to listen to Linux Outlaws streaming live.. http://65.60.11.2:8216/live | Aug 17 19:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Bill Gates Denied Access to Office File Format Documentation to Stifle Competition http://ping.fm/Xizew | Aug 17 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | JASON: "Just including this one because it’s another example of putting the lie to Microsoft’s current “interoperability” spin." | Aug 17 19:17 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yes, TD does this all the time | Aug 17 19:17 |
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| yuhong | BTW, what makes the 451 group better than the other analysts? Because that is the only one BN trusts. | Aug 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw is down | Aug 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I don't trust them much anymore | Aug 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | I corresponded with them re funding | Aug 17 19:26 |
| schestowitz | They refuse to sau | Aug 17 19:26 |
| schestowitz | They can only tell me no-one exceeds x% | Aug 17 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I reckon many companies including Microsoft give them cash | Aug 17 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Search BN for details | Aug 17 19:26 |
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| yuhong | I know that, I read many of the IRC logs on BN and there certainly was some uncertainly about that. | Aug 17 19:27 |
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| yuhong | At least they don't spread FUD on Linux like Gartner and IDC does. | Aug 17 19:29 |
| yuhong | In fact, it's CAOS blog contains some good links on open source in general, including Microsoft open source. | Aug 17 19:31 |
| yuhong | And other good material. | Aug 17 19:31 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/08/13/the-patron-model-of-open-source-commericalisation/ | Aug 17 19:31 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/08/13/a-decade-of-open-source-ipos/ | Aug 17 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Matt and Jay are OK | Aug 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Jay actually uses Linux | Aug 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure about Matt, but I liked his writings about FOSS, Novell and MSFT when he was at CBR | Aug 17 19:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Groklaw is down again. Is it a repeated hardware failure? | Aug 17 19:35 | |
| jono | schestowitz, would you be interested in coming on FLOSSWeekly for an interview? | Aug 17 19:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206901/Mandelson-launches-crackdown-file-sharing--just-days-meeting-record-producer.html | Aug 17 19:39 |
| jono | schestowitz, come and spread the message of the project | Aug 17 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm not much of a radio person. I'll think about it, though. | Aug 17 19:39 |
| jono | well, its not radio | Aug 17 19:40 |
| jono | just an audio interview | Aug 17 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Aug 17 19:40 |
| schestowitz | I don't have a good voice, unlike you :-p | Aug 17 19:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Burglar uses Facebook to taunt victims" http://ping.fm/znqjP | Aug 17 19:43 | |
| jono | schestowitz, I am sure you have a great voice, Roy :) | Aug 17 19:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Looking for a non-spammy online card & invite generator for offline printing for Sam/Sophie birthday. Suggestions? | Aug 17 20:01 | |
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| schestowitz | Dell Shows Off an Android Smartphone Aimed for China < http://ostatic.com/blog/dell-shows-off-an-android-smartphone-aimed-for-china > But here's the bummer: "No Further Android Updates for G1; No “Sense” for MyTouch 3G?" < http://jkontherun.com/2009/08/17/no-further-android-updates-for-g1-no-sense-for-mytouch-3g/ > | Aug 17 20:14 |
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| MinceR | more android failure | Aug 17 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: it's Beta(E) | Aug 17 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Google makes everything a Beta. It's harder to blame them this way. Seriously now, I hope it gets sorted out. | Aug 17 20:18 |
| schestowitz | jono: please let me think about it. Thanks a lot. | Aug 17 20:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you know about SpinWatch? I didn't know it existed. Taxpayers' Alliance: Easily Shocked < http://www.spinwatch.org/ > | Aug 17 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Commentary: How insurance firms drive debate < http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/17/potter.health.insurance/index.html ? | Aug 17 20:19 |
| tacone | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/court-gives-microsoft-60-days-to-stop-shipping-word.ars | Aug 17 20:19 |
| tacone | "It could have been worse; the original suit also claimed that .NET and Vista infringed the patent. The injunction does allow Microsoft to sell a version of Word that strips out all the XML elements, or one that loads the XML as plain text." | Aug 17 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They're appealing | Aug 17 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll settle | Aug 17 20:21 |
| tacone | of course. cross-licensing for the win. | Aug 17 20:23 |
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| jono | schestowitz, np | Aug 17 20:23 |
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| cubezzz | google really needs to start ranking pages by age | Aug 17 20:26 |
| cubezzz | so when I type "linux based pda" I get something recent | Aug 17 20:26 |
| tacone | it does. | Aug 17 20:27 |
| tacone | it gives more importance to older sites :-) | Aug 17 20:27 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Aug 17 20:27 |
| tacone | but tries to display recent entries on the front page as well | Aug 17 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Does ASUS still do Linux? http://www.walyou.com/blog/2009/08/17/asus-eee-pc-900-netbook/ http://www.softsailor.com/reviews/6532-asus-eee-pc-900-netbook-with-1-6ghz-atom-processor-remember-review.html | Aug 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no, it puts newer first | Aug 17 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Link aging, sandbox | Aug 17 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Asay promoted the Fog in a way: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10310817-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad | Aug 17 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Alfresco will just run a serve one day (off site) | Aug 17 20:38 |
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| cubezzz | this is recent, I don't see the year on it: | Aug 17 20:44 |
| cubezzz | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/08/14/1324238 | Aug 17 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: last week | Aug 17 20:48 |
| cubezzz | well, here's hoping something good comes out of it | Aug 17 20:48 |
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| DaemonFC | I've got some kind of Microsoft PR firm following me now | Aug 17 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Have you ever heard of "Trucast" or "Visible Technologies"? | Aug 17 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | or "TruPulse" | Aug 17 20:53 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, go you ;) | Aug 17 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | they're monitoring my blog, I got a referral hit from them to my post about Windows Media Center DRMing cable television | Aug 17 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | I followed it back to some kind of login page | Aug 17 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | but I got to looking around the site and it says they do "brand management", customers include Microsoft, and their tag is "They're talking about you, listen, measure, and participate" | Aug 17 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | not sure I like the sound of this | Aug 17 20:54 |
| neighborlee | ive concluded I dont really like WMC | Aug 17 20:55 |
| neighborlee | its just too much frill | Aug 17 20:55 |
| neighborlee | pretty..but I find it just gets in my way | Aug 17 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | PlayReady is unacceptable | Aug 17 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | this really just pisses me off to no end | Aug 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Never hard of "Trucast" or "Visible Technologies"? | Aug 17 20:56 |
| schestowitz | What do they do? | Aug 17 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | "TruCast channels the right conversations to the right subject matter experts who can quickly and easily participate in the dialogue." | Aug 17 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | sound nice to you? | Aug 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | I see.. | Aug 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Just caching up... | Aug 17 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.visibletechnologies.com/solutions/trucast_features.php | Aug 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | They have more such firms | Aug 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Including W-E | Aug 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | They monitor blogs and Twits now | Aug 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | They developed software to do the spying | Aug 17 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Then they check the profile of people to see if they can axe bad reviews | Aug 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | As they did for Surface | Aug 17 20:58 |
| neighborlee | well,,they can fire as many watchdogs as they wish...its about staying power at the end of the day | Aug 17 20:58 |
| tacone | if you linked to them first hand, they may have got the referral themselves and checked it from their admin | Aug 17 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | I just posted another diatribe about how I'm sick of dealing with Windows and that I've decided to keep an XP partition just because I already have a copy | Aug 17 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | but that I canceled my Windows 7 preorder over PlayReady | Aug 17 20:58 |
| neighborlee | much like not giving into right wing zealots kinda like we see in heatlh care fight..what a joke. | Aug 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.visibletechnologies.com+microsoft&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Aug 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I used to have apparent surges when a friend said W-E was probably tracking | Aug 17 20:59 |
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| DaemonFC | my guess is that their web crawler probably flagged that post | Aug 17 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | and a human was checking up on it | Aug 17 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Video from Waggener Edstrom Explains Perception Management at Microsoft < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/02/perception-management-at-microsoft/ > | Aug 17 21:00 |
| schestowitz | That's how they work | Aug 17 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Tracking down 'trouble' | Aug 17 21:00 |
| neighborlee | !last | Aug 17 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://pulse.trucast.net/Listen/54 was the referral link | Aug 17 21:00 |
| neighborlee | oops wrong channel sorry | Aug 17 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Perception Management at Microsoft, Using Web Agents < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/08/perception-management-web-agents/ > | Aug 17 21:00 |
| tacone | DaemonFC: does that login page read 'ninja squad' somewhere in the page ? | Aug 17 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Negative Review of MS Surface Published, Microsoft Contacts Blogger and Has It Removed < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/25/microsoft-censorship-on-the-surface/ > | Aug 17 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's jsut a login page | Aug 17 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't even mention the company that owns it | Aug 17 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | I had to google "TruPulse" to be led back to Visible Technologies | Aug 17 21:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.visibletechnologies.com/news/newsletters/newsletter_20080813.php | Aug 17 21:01 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft Distinguished Engineer, Bill Baker Joins Visible Technologies as CTO" | Aug 17 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 17 21:02 |
| schestowitz | "Bill spent twelve years at Microsoft, where he directed the company's SQL Server Business Intelligence Unit and was general manager of Business Intelligence applications for the Microsoft Office Business Platform." | Aug 17 21:02 |
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| DaemonFC | that caught my eye | Aug 17 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | looks like some sockpuppet organization | Aug 17 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | ran by proxy for Microsoft | Aug 17 21:02 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/2008/08/microsoft_distinguished_engine.html | Aug 17 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft distinguished engineer crosses lake for Visible Technologies < http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/2008/08/microsoft_distinguished_engine.html > | Aug 17 21:03 |
| schestowitz | "Baker isn't just another 'softie leaving for a startup. He's among Microsoft's 36 elite "distinguished engineers" and a honcho in its standout SQL group." | Aug 17 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.visibletechnologies.com/board_bios.php | Aug 17 21:03 |
| schestowitz | So he knows data-mining and all | Aug 17 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Useful for tracking blogs | Aug 17 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | most of them look like they were snapped up from small companies I've never heard of in Washington state | Aug 17 21:04 |
| schestowitz | "Rowland Hanson | Aug 17 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Founder and CEO, The HMC Company | Aug 17 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Rowland is CEO of The HMC Company and Chairman of CRH & Associates. Prior to consulting, he was Vice President of Corporate Communications at Microsoft, where he created and executed the company's highly acclaimed branding strategy which included the market introduction of Microsoft's most popular product—a graphical interface that he named "Windows."" | Aug 17 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | that could be interesting | Aug 17 21:04 |
| neighborlee | http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2009/07/02/why-i-disagree-with-rms-concerning-mono/ < hmmm I presume this is known about..i'd never seen it but then im busy with life as well as mono,but anyway VERY interesting | Aug 17 21:04 |
| schestowitz | So he's on the board | Aug 17 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | one of them is from Square Enix and also worked for the Chinese government | Aug 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: probably old news | Aug 17 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Square Enix mainly makes video game exclusives for Playstatiom | Aug 17 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | *Playstation | Aug 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Chinese government has an army of eavesdropper | Aug 17 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Michelle Goldberg | Aug 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | They use pattern recognition | Aug 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | E.g. in Skype chats (IM) | Aug 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait! | Aug 17 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Ignotion! | Aug 17 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Michelle Goldberg | Aug 17 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Principal, Ignition Partners | Aug 17 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | David J. Moore, founder of 24/7 real Media, an advertising stat tracker | Aug 17 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Sounded familiar -- her name | Aug 17 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Ignition is a Microsoft drone | Aug 17 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/22/microsoft-ignition-partners/ | Aug 17 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/22/irc-log-21092008-1/#tSep%2021%2000:49:02 | Aug 17 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Lance Maerov, some kind of dotcom bubble millionaire that blew a bunch of venture capital and ran off with the money | Aug 17 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | these are some really bad people | Aug 17 21:07 |
| neighborlee | It may also have more alien technology, we’re not sure yet. < are these people kidding with this kind of nonsese..its like the birthers, death-sqads on health care yadda..what they feel threatened by, they try to ruin with fud ...same ole same ole ;)) < and we're onto them!> | Aug 17 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Where does it show Microsoft as a client | Aug 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | ? | Aug 17 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.visibletechnologies.com/ | Aug 17 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | on their front page | Aug 17 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft, GM, Hormel, Panasonic | Aug 17 21:08 |
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| DaemonFC | those are their top customers | Aug 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see now | Aug 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Haha. gartner award | Aug 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | How much do *These* cost? | Aug 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, they have a partner here in Indiana | Aug 17 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | some agency that scouts out high school athletes looks like | Aug 17 21:09 |
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| _goblin | hello all | Aug 17 21:12 |
| neighborlee | I guess it says alot, when gnome pushes forward with tomboy, when gnotes is here ( or gnome's built in ) and doesn't pull in mono...damn glad I d ecided to skip town on gnome and go with kde,,or something else....amazingly glad. | Aug 17 21:12 |
| schestowitz | _goblin here loves checking them out... PR scandals | Aug 17 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'll organise this tomorrow and make a post | Aug 17 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Waggener_Edstrom | Aug 17 21:14 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Edelman | Aug 17 21:14 |
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| _goblin | :) | Aug 17 21:16 |
| _goblin | Tomboy is such an unremarkable app, I wonder if the death of Mono will be made on the back of trying to push Tomboy..... | Aug 17 21:17 |
| _goblin | Tomboy is hardly an example of good excellence and innovation..... | Aug 17 21:17 |
| _Hicham_ | Tomboy is dead | Aug 17 21:17 |
| _goblin | *not good I meant to say coding | Aug 17 21:18 |
| _Hicham_ | except maybe for ubuntu | Aug 17 21:18 |
| _Hicham_ | and hey, where the big G ? | Aug 17 21:18 |
| _goblin | If the alleged compelling reason for Mono is the apps that run off its runtime, lets see some of these ground breaking apps... | Aug 17 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | Tomboy takes an inordinate amount of RAM for no more than what it's there to do | Aug 17 21:19 |
| *_goblin is now known as _Goblin | Aug 17 21:19 | |
| DaemonFC | it should take 5-6 megs, max | Aug 17 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | it takes more like 40 | Aug 17 21:19 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: Thats par for the course when you are talking Microsoft approved code. | Aug 17 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I integrated IE 8 into my XP x64 disc along with a bunch of other stuff, played around with it for a while | Aug 17 21:20 |
| _Hicham_ | _Goblin : DaemonFC helped a lot in coding Gnote | Aug 17 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | it was taking more RAM than the operating system after about half an hour | Aug 17 21:20 |
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| DaemonFC | it doesn't return all the memory that a tab was taking when you close that tab | Aug 17 21:20 |
| _Goblin | lol...only half.....? | Aug 17 21:21 |
| _Goblin | I saw a similar issue with Python 2.5 (I think) | Aug 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | wb, _Hicham_ | Aug 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | meaning that that tab is more connected to the rest of the browser than it should be | Aug 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | meaning, possible security threat too | Aug 17 21:21 |
| _Hicham_ | thanks schestowitz | Aug 17 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | if they're connected and not a fully separated process, I'm sure that this opens up a code injection vulnerability, a privacy liability at least | Aug 17 21:22 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : a certified secunia expert | Aug 17 21:22 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, Chromish ideas | Aug 17 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | at least Firefox doesn't pretend to have any process separation | Aug 17 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | IE gives you the extra RAM use without the added security :P | Aug 17 21:23 |
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| _Hicham_ | why separate processes ? that what threads are for | Aug 17 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | it opens them as full processes | Aug 17 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | every time you open a new tab, that's another "iexplore.exe" process | Aug 17 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think in Windows, it's easier to spawn a second process and call it a thread | Aug 17 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I see everything doing | Aug 17 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | some things that have to be very high performance are true multithreaded applications, like video games | Aug 17 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | but even BOINC is just using one process per CPU core and assigning them an affinity for that core | Aug 17 21:26 |
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| _Goblin | BOINC - Is SETI@HOME still using it? | Aug 17 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | Windows actually has two different kernels you know? One for SMP and one for uniprocessor systems | Aug 17 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | it loads the appropriate one at boot | Aug 17 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | yes, SETI is still using BOINC | Aug 17 21:31 |
| _Goblin | excellent project...I may have to check it out again...I think I built up quite a rating with them a few years back....(pre boinc) | Aug 17 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | BOINC is pretty piggish | Aug 17 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I stopped using it, the original SET@Home software was far better | Aug 17 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | *SETI@Home | Aug 17 21:34 |
| _Goblin | Cant comment since the hardware I used on the old client was considerably less than I have now... | Aug 17 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | the new client is too aggressive with system resources | Aug 17 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | and it's awful trying to control when the service is running on the Linux client | Aug 17 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's supposed to run with low priority but sometimes it still hogs the CPU while you're trying to play a game or something | Aug 17 21:37 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft is trying to put the hurt on XP X64 users anyway | Aug 17 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | not very effiectively though | Aug 17 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | the "OS Not Supported" "os_check" error on the Windows Live Essentials conveniently gives you the binary offset where the check occurred :P making it easy to modify with a hex editor | Aug 17 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | and there have been so many hotfixes post-SP2 that Microsoft policy says an SP3 is in order, but they don't want to do that | Aug 17 21:41 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aU6QMJmMLz9I | Aug 17 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | "A Miami man and two unidentified computer hackers were charged with stealing 130 million credit and debit card numbers in what the Justice Department said was the largest such prosecution in U.S. history." | Aug 17 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Aug 17 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | wonder if mine was one of them | Aug 17 21:57 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC the broke man | Aug 17 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | "They also programmed malware to evade detection by anti-virus software and erase files that might detect its presence, prosecutors said." | Aug 17 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 17 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | 20 years later, the polymorphic computer virus still works | Aug 17 21:59 |
| MinceR | moar liek broken man, amirite? | Aug 17 22:00 |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : Windows 7 is better in gaming ? | Aug 17 22:13 |
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| DaemonFC | than Vista, yeah | Aug 17 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | not by a lot | Aug 17 22:13 |
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| DaemonFC | doesn't really help though when half the companies making games are using such awful DRM that I won't buy any of their stuff anyway | Aug 17 22:14 |
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| _Hicham_ | so better install sauerbraten on Windows than on Linux ? | Aug 17 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL support on Windows Vista and 7 is there, but it's far slower than on XP | Aug 17 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | a game that simple is quite playable either way, but when you throw a more complicated game engine at it, the difference is staggering | Aug 17 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | DirectX is still a kermel-mode API, OpenGL is a user-mode API that is implemented by your video card driver | Aug 17 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | the WDDM model keeps OpenGL out of the kernel | Aug 17 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | and OpenGL support on Linux ? | Aug 17 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | you're probably looking at a 15-20% frame drop going from DirectX to OpenGL | Aug 17 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL support on Linux and Windows XP should perform roughly the same | Aug 17 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL is fully functional on Vista and 7, but far slower | Aug 17 22:23 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I just got two more hits from that PR firm | Aug 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | New page: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/SCO | Aug 17 22:28 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u think that java is in safe hands now with oracle? | Aug 17 22:30 |
| trmanco | http://securityandthe.net/2009/08/15/how-not-to-respond-to-security-issues/ | Aug 17 22:30 |
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| _Hicham_ | trmanco : that is how security issues should be treated | Aug 17 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Edit your GNOME menus http://www.ghacks.net/2009/08/17/edit-your-gnome-menus/ | Aug 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes | Aug 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Torvalds bashes vendor-sec private Linux security list http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/08/torvalds-bashes-vendorsec-priv.html | Aug 17 22:34 |
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| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: you seen the new Argos catalogue? | Aug 17 22:44 |
| ThistleWeb | they no longer sell "netbooks" but they do have a spiffy range of "mini laptops" which look suspiciously similar | Aug 17 22:45 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.tokutek.com/tokuview/sorting_a_terabyte_in_197_seconds/ | Aug 17 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Aug-17.html | Aug 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | covered by none other than the Microsoft blog http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10311118-56.html | Aug 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Miguel and Microsoft are like one happy family | Aug 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Linux sites don't give his work as much coverage of the Windows/Microsoft sites, it seems | Aug 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: that's Microsoft new name for them | Aug 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | So that they can elevate the price of the OS and h/w | Aug 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | They spoke about it 2-3 months ago | Aug 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | This just makes ARM a LOT more attractive | Aug 17 22:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I know, just thought I'd mention it in my own sarcastic fashion in case you hadn't noticed | Aug 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | "A PC World story, apparently covering the same event, reports that Finch revealed that in a few weeks Dell will offer Linux OS upgrades to Ubuntu 9.04. PC World also reports that Finch said Dell is looking into manufacturing ARM-based netbooks and "smartbooks". Finally, Finch was said to have revealed that "in certain quarters" close to a third of all Dell netbook shipments are pre-loaded with Linux." | Aug 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Linux-and-Unix/Dell-Vouches-for-Quality-of-Linux-Netbooks-592471/ | Aug 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | '"in certain quarters" close to a third of all Dell netbook shipments are pre-loaded with Linux."' | Aug 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Same as before | Aug 17 22:53 |
| fewa | in dell outlook they dont have and Linux netbooks anymore | Aug 17 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | MP is named Labour 'Twitter tsar' < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8205081.stm > Pathetic. | Aug 17 22:59 |
| schestowitz | fewa: Blame the VOle | Aug 17 22:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Anti-FUD for open source fear mongers http://ping.fm/VwzLc | Aug 17 23:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mobile phones are already used for surveillance, now they can be used to study a person's set of friends. http://ping.fm/GdDmL | Aug 17 23:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Seattle Site Calls for Business to Support GNU.Linux http://ping.fm/mGTds | Aug 17 23:06 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what IPs is that PR firm? | Aug 17 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I can grep Apache to see. | Aug 17 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: pulse.trucast.net is 63.232.55.135 | Aug 17 23:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux-powered Untangle Gateway Makes More Secure VPN http://ping.fm/MeQJx | Aug 17 23:09 | |
| DaemonFC | trucast.net is 64.70.9.4 | Aug 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | visibletechnologies.com is 64.14.68.51 | Aug 17 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Tnx | Aug 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | and they have some low latency servers too | Aug 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | looks like they're set up to survive some hate traffic :P | Aug 17 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | they're registered with godaddy | Aug 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | netblock owner is Qwest | Aug 17 23:14 |
| schestowitz | No matches | Aug 17 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | F5 Big-IP Microsoft-IIS/7.0 | Aug 17 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're using Windows Server 2008 R2 | Aug 17 23:15 |
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| DaemonFC | that's not even released yet | Aug 17 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, like Microsoft.com | Aug 17 23:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] http://bit.ly/F4bPA | Aug 17 23:15 | |
| DaemonFC | except on MSDN | Aug 17 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Visible Technologies, 401 2nd Avenue S, Suite 101, Seattle, 98104, United States | Aug 17 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | as in Seattle, Washington? | Aug 17 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 17 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | looks like they have a suite in some leased out office building | Aug 17 23:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Valuable But Scarcely-known KDE Applications http://ping.fm/FpH6r | Aug 17 23:17 | |
| DaemonFC | http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=9Mq&q=map+401+2nd+Avenue+S,+Suite+101,+Seattle+Washington&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=mNiJSrr2FYPYNfC9tfsO&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1 | Aug 17 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | that's the block | Aug 17 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | Google Street View is a little off, but it has a picture of the block they're on | Aug 17 23:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the Gnome 2.28.0 Desktop Environment (Beta) http://ping.fm/0o3QS | Aug 17 23:18 | |
| DaemonFC | ahhh, wait | Aug 17 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | there it is | Aug 17 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | 401 | Aug 17 23:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of PcLinuxOS 2009.2 and PCLinuxOS LXDE http://ping.fm/2Ygzs http://ping.fm/vXdUy | Aug 17 23:19 | |
| DaemonFC | looks like an older stone building, the entrance says "Court in the Square" | Aug 17 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | down the street there's a building that says "Qwest Field" | Aug 17 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | to the south | Aug 17 23:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | what company? | Aug 17 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | building is owned by Commercial Properties International | Aug 17 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | they have office space for rent, and the phone number is 622-1010 | Aug 17 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 17 23:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahh, visible technologies | Aug 17 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | didnt microsoft buy them out? | Aug 17 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | there's a coffee shop in the northeast corner of their building called Zeitgeist Coffee | Aug 17 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | well, whatever they have there is just a medium size office building | Aug 17 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't look like you'd set up a long term company there | Aug 17 23:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Expands Partner Programme http://ping.fm/NBuVP | Aug 17 23:25 | |
| DaemonFC | looks like it may be the kind of company where they can pack up the office today and not exist tomorrow | Aug 17 23:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Linux Mint on the Desktop http://ping.fm/MEJlA | Aug 17 23:28 | |
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| trmanco | http://blog.tr.im/post/165049236/tr-im-to-be-community-owned | Aug 17 23:30 |
| trmanco | hey look | Aug 17 23:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme SHORTURL FEUD: Tr.im Slams Twitter and Bit.ly, Goes Open Source http://bit.ly/nWhEY | Aug 17 23:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dell's GNU/Linux Sales Almost 33% in Some Areas http://bit.ly/rbmbB | Aug 17 23:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [P]review of the GNU/Linux-based Jolicloud OS http://ping.fm/IoXIj | Aug 17 23:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Spanish University of Granada Chooses Free Software for Project http://ping.fm/6Ptk3 | Aug 17 23:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GSM Network HAR2009 Powered by Linux http://ping.fm/Vizzv | Aug 17 23:42 | |
| *Xarver is bored | Aug 17 23:42 | |
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| Xarver | hi Balrog_ | Aug 17 23:43 |
| Balrog_ | hi Xarver | Aug 17 23:44 |
| Balrog_ | I'll bbl | Aug 17 23:44 |
| Xarver | ok | Aug 17 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, XP x64 includes 32-bit and 64-bit Outlook Express too | Aug 17 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | never noticed that | Aug 17 23:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Tale in GPL Licensing and Enforcement http://duff.dk/viasat/ | Aug 17 23:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness in Literature Gets Its Way in in American Schools http://ping.fm/aqJWw | Aug 17 23:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Censorship Under Another Attack Vector http://ping.fm/rKu06 | Aug 17 23:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MAFIAA's Daemonisation Language Pays Off http://ping.fm/ZSKCu | Aug 17 23:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mandelson Meets One Don Close to the MAFIAA and Then Gives Net to Hollywood? http://ping.fm/wKLCn | Aug 17 23:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] i4i More Trouble for Microsoft and Office Users Than People Realise http://ping.fm/nyfTV | Aug 17 23:51 | |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC 32 bits and 64 bits too | Aug 17 23:59 |
| _Hicham_ | is there any version of DaemonFC for ppc ? | Aug 17 23:59 |
| MinceR | no, there's only the 2-bit version | Aug 17 23:59 |
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