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| trmanco | ah crap | Aug 19 00:32 |
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| trmanco | look at that damn tweet | Aug 19 00:32 |
| trmanco | twitter has yet another xss attack | Aug 19 00:32 |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com/#search?q=Retweet%20this%20awesome%20blog%20for%20losing%20weight%20off%20free%20products! | Aug 19 00:32 |
| trmanco | and I was a victim | Aug 19 00:32 |
| schestowitz | What happend? | Aug 19 00:33 |
| trmanco | I have no idea | Aug 19 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Spying... | Aug 19 00:34 |
| trmanco | I deleted that tweet | Aug 19 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Moody had that too | Aug 19 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Hey, trmanco, did you REALLY twit that? | Aug 19 00:34 |
| trmanco | no | Aug 19 00:35 |
| schestowitz | C'mon you can tell me, it's just me. Don't be embarrassed :-) | Aug 19 00:35 |
| trmanco | somebody did | Aug 19 00:35 |
| trmanco | no | Aug 19 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Sure, sure. | Aug 19 00:35 |
| trmanco | it wasn'tme | Aug 19 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Of course not | Aug 19 00:35 |
| trmanco | meh | Aug 19 00:35 |
| trmanco | I only use web for RT's | Aug 19 00:35 |
| trmanco | from mashable or tweetmeme | Aug 19 00:35 |
| trmanco | and all my url are compressed | Aug 19 00:36 |
| trmanco | and I'm not fat | Aug 19 00:37 |
| trmanco | why would I tweet something like that | Aug 19 00:37 |
| trmanco | and at 23 minutes ago, I was actually really focused on searching for .htaccess hack and tips | Aug 19 00:39 |
| trmanco | so there is now way I would tweet something unrelated to what I was doing | Aug 19 00:39 |
| trmanco | should be enough proof | Aug 19 00:40 |
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| usiga | hello | Aug 19 00:41 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah, I was pulling your leg for laughs | Aug 19 00:41 |
| schestowitz | usiga: hi | Aug 19 00:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Confirmed: Gartner and Burton Groups Wrong, Boycott Novell Correct on ODF and Patents http://ping.fm/4K9XL | Aug 19 00:41 | |
| trmanco | :) | Aug 19 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Mr Horowitz condemns all of linux because he is having trouble updating a bootable version of Linux installed on a thumb drive. That's about it." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-18-017-35-OS-UB-0000 | Aug 19 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Very typical that | Aug 19 00:44 |
| schestowitz | But Horowitz is NOT the bad guy | Aug 19 00:44 |
| schestowitz | He complaint about Linux only sometimes, but he tries promoting it | Aug 19 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | So the reactions there in the comments are not most constructive IMHO | Aug 19 00:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | horowitz | Aug 19 00:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | why does that name sound familiar | Aug 19 00:46 |
| schestowitz | There are many with that name | Aug 19 00:47 |
| schestowitz | But he used to write for CNET | Aug 19 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Now Jupitermedia and IDG | Aug 19 00:48 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: wait, does he write for linuxtoday now? | Aug 19 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Cool. We made 'the news': Will the Era of File Format Lock-In Ever End? < http://ostatic.com/blog/will-the-era-of-file-format-lock-in-ever-end > | Aug 19 00:51 |
| trmanco | http://autonome.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/firefox-performance-the-dont-touch-the-damn-disk-edition/ | Aug 19 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: nope, IDG in this case (blog) | Aug 19 00:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Firefox Performance: The “don’t touch the damn disk” edition.: http://is.gd/2nsSk | Aug 19 00:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Please tell me Firefox won't ever look like this on first run.: http://is.gd/2nsXU | Aug 19 00:53 | |
| trmanco | wow | Aug 19 00:54 |
| trmanco | http://www-stage.mozilla.org/ | Aug 19 00:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Mozilla.org staging site (now 80% less broken!): http://is.gd/2nt23 | Aug 19 00:55 | |
| trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090817235436439 | Aug 19 00:59 |
| trmanco | haha | Aug 19 00:59 |
| trmanco | I'm sure you have seen it already | Aug 19 00:59 |
| trmanco | "i4i said it has looked at OpenOffice and found it doesn’t infringe on its patents. " | Aug 19 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | Priceless: http://blogs.computerworld.com/14570/moonlight_2_arrives_and_falls_flat_on_its_face | Aug 19 01:05 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, see above just half an hour ago in IRC. I made a post in BN | Aug 19 01:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm quite pleased with Firefox 3.5. Better than 3.0 for sure | Aug 19 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Also more stable and behaves OK with RAM boundaries | Aug 19 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I can avoid touching swap file for _days_ | Aug 19 01:06 |
| trmanco | I use swiftweasel | Aug 19 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Heartland Hackers Caught; Answers and Questions < http://securosis.com/blog/heartland-hackers-caught-answers-and-questions > | Aug 19 01:08 |
| schestowitz | U.S. Broadband Growth Slowest in Eight Years < http://www.internetnews.com/stats/article.php/3834966 > | Aug 19 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you know why the growth is slow? | Aug 19 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont need to lay any more fiber | Aug 19 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Today I had a Microsoft minion ask me to slow down in Twitter, as though it's a per-request thing where by subscribing to me he also gets to tell me how to write | Aug 19 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | most fiber laid in the 90s and 00s, paid for by congress with our tax dollars, remains dark | Aug 19 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: fiber concelled here | Aug 19 01:11 |
| schestowitz | BT | Aug 19 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Fibre is good for growth. It builds strong tissue. Oh, not *that* type of fibre | Aug 19 01:12 |
| *Diablo-D3 facepalms | Aug 19 01:12 | |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 19 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Apple Investigates iPhone Explosion Rumors -> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/mowi/article.php/3835001/ | Aug 19 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Apple could use some toppling to keep them humble | Aug 19 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: look what you did: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/irc-log-18082009.html#tAug%2018%2023:50:55 | Aug 19 01:22 |
| trmanco | heh | Aug 19 01:22 |
| trmanco | that's actually funny | Aug 19 01:23 |
| trmanco | they actually knew that tweet was coming, and they left | Aug 19 01:24 |
| trmanco | haha | Aug 19 01:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] if you are in the US, do not sign up with T-Mobile under any circumstances http://is.gd/2nwnc please forward | Aug 19 01:56 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Novell Fails with Moonlight < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/18/moonlight-is-not-ready/ > | Aug 19 01:59 |
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| schestowitz | I've just added a picture to the post: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/1030743_tablet_pc_1.png | Aug 19 02:03 |
| Will_ | schestowitz: has something changed with the comments system beyond the login? I've noticed that it won't let me comment on some articles even after I log in. | Aug 19 02:04 |
| schestowitz | How old are the article? | Aug 19 02:04 |
| schestowitz | If older than 15 days, then there's no option | Aug 19 02:04 |
| Will_ | Sometimes a little older, sometimes second from the top. | Aug 19 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Weird.. | Aug 19 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Does it just come up like comments are closed? | Aug 19 02:05 |
| Will_ | I figured you had put something in to cut off old posts, but it was strange when it wasn't working for relatively fresh ones. | Aug 19 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Old posts closed due to comments spammers | Aug 19 02:06 |
| Will_ | It says I need to be logged in to comment, I log in, then it dumps me back to the post as if I hadn't logged in. | Aug 19 02:06 |
| schestowitz | What browser? | Aug 19 02:06 |
| Will_ | FF 3.5 | Aug 19 02:06 |
| schestowitz | First time I heard of this issue | Aug 19 02:06 |
| Will_ | I'll try it now | Aug 19 02:06 |
| schestowitz | At least it doesn't chew up your post | Aug 19 02:06 |
| schestowitz | My guess: | Aug 19 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Caching | Aug 19 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Server-side | Aug 19 02:07 |
| schestowitz | If you log in, then load up the same page | Aug 19 02:07 |
| Will_ | I think you might be right one that. | Aug 19 02:08 |
| Will_ | It did it again with the Gartner/Burton/ODF post, but after wiping the cache, it worked. | Aug 19 02:09 |
| Will_ | Thanks | Aug 19 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | So maybe browser side | Aug 19 02:11 |
| schestowitz | [cache] | Aug 19 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Either way, we get far fewer comments after policy change | Aug 19 02:11 |
| schestowitz | It reduced the trolling without needing to ever intervene with comments | Aug 19 02:11 |
| Will_ | I was about to comment on that. It has really cut down on the troll population. | Aug 19 02:11 |
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| thenixedreport | Hey guys. | Aug 19 02:12 |
| schestowitz | They probably migrate somwhere else | Aug 19 02:12 |
| schestowitz | More trollable | Aug 19 02:13 |
| schestowitz | Hi, thenixedreport | Aug 19 02:13 |
| Will_ | Kinda tangentally related to MS, but the PS3 Slim released today to. With a price cut that puts it right in line with the Xbox. (+ free wifi in PS3). | Aug 19 02:14 |
| Will_ | Maybe that will help Sony move some units. I'd kinda hate to see MS do to that field what they did to PCs. | Aug 19 02:14 |
| Will_ | And are trying to do to netbooks | Aug 19 02:15 |
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| schestowitz | No Linux support, but hey.... the userbase of PS3 was never that large to begin with and Sony crippled access by Linux to the real power | Aug 19 02:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @arkadyrose PayPal doubles fees for Personal accounts, "forgets" to tell customers: http://bit.ly/SVFAy | Aug 19 02:25 | |
| schestowitz | Sony should offer /real/ access by Linux | Aug 19 02:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Sony unveils less huge PlayStation 3 http://bit.ly/4Yxor | Aug 19 02:27 | |
| schestowitz | Yuck. Jumping the whale (Twitter): FCC Creates Blog, Twitter Account < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/18/fcc-creates-blog-twitter-account > | Aug 19 02:28 |
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| Will_ | I heard that the Slim removes the option to install Linux entirely, though. sad if true. | Aug 19 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has fallen way behind... http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/18/the-top-50-websites-in-the-us | Aug 19 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Sony also made the support semi hearted anyway | Aug 19 02:30 |
| Will_ | I heard. I don't remember why though. | Aug 19 02:31 |
| Will_ | * looks at website list | Aug 19 02:31 |
| Will_ | Ah, Bing sure is popular, isn't it? Taking google by storm, looks like ;P | Aug 19 02:31 |
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| schestowitz | Hehehe. | Aug 19 02:32 |
| schestowitz | And that's US-ONLY | Aug 19 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is bigger int he US | Aug 19 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Bong is only about 3% globally I learned | Aug 19 02:33 |
| schestowitz | In most countries people may not even know it exists (no marketing there either) | Aug 19 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK Microsoft resorted using little kids to market the Vistaster | Aug 19 02:34 |
| Will_ | Here's why companies should make game consoles open to Linux: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2007/10/ps3_supercomputer | Aug 19 02:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] New "related posts" feature on http://notnews.today.com/ from across all of today.com - how's it to you, the reader? Of interest? | Aug 19 02:36 | |
| Will_ | I can't tell if this quote is funny or sad: "“Our competition is absolutely the XBox 360. That’s the one to beat! Thank God they didn’t build hardware that worked, we’d have real trouble if they had.”" | Aug 19 02:38 |
| schestowitz | "Matthew Miller of Newark, Delaware, was hit with $195K in damages and $15K in legal fees by US District Judge Susan Illston in the case brought in the US District Court for the Northern District of California. Miller sold unlicensed software packages from Adobe, Autodesk and Microsoft through a site called iOffer, frequently offering huge discounts." | Aug 19 02:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/18/software_pirate_fine/ | Aug 19 02:39 |
| schestowitz | He should have burned FOSS and sold it | Aug 19 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Who would buy an xbox now that error (fatality) rates are known? | Aug 19 02:40 |
| schestowitz | Only Fools and Horses | Aug 19 02:40 |
| Will_ | There's apparently plenty though. I'm starting to think the only reason the Xbox sales figures top the PS3's at this point is because of repeat Xbox purchases when they fry themselves outside of the warranty period. | Aug 19 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Aug 19 02:41 |
| schestowitz | In the US? | Aug 19 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft+NPD love deceiving. | Aug 19 02:41 |
| Will_ | I've heard of cases. | Aug 19 02:42 |
| Will_ | You'd think people would learn. Is Halo that addictive? | Aug 19 02:42 |
| schestowitz | http://vgchartz.com/ | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | Addictively HYPED | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | It's as though Microsoft paid many publications to hype it up in 2007 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it | Aug 19 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | Worldwide Top 10, 08th Aug 2009 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | 1 Wii Sports Resort 475,558 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | 2 Wii Sports 200,700 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | 3 SD Gundam G Generation Wars 185,354 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | 4 Tales of VS. 143,773 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | 5 Monster Hunter Tri 137,054 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | 6 Dragon Quest IX: Protectors ... 123,050 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | 7 Wii Fit 119,365 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | 8 Mario Kart Wii 93,703 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | 9 Tomodachi Collection 90,389 | Aug 19 02:43 |
| schestowitz | No Xbox | Aug 19 02:44 |
| Will_ | sales figures don't look too bad considering Xbox had a 1 year lead. | Aug 19 02:44 |
| Will_ | will be interesting to see what the price break does | Aug 19 02:44 |
| schestowitz | In Japan, PS3 outsells XBox 360 10:1 | Aug 19 02:44 |
| schestowitz | If those figures are true | Aug 19 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft stated a year earlier | Aug 19 02:45 |
| schestowitz | So no real victory there | Aug 19 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Will_: yeah, beat me to it :-) | Aug 19 02:45 |
| fewa | Not to mention all the money Microsoft is pouring in the loss operation | Aug 19 02:45 |
| Will_ | Now, I admit that Sony made just about every mistake they could make this generation, but I'm still pulling for them and big N because the alternative is Microsoft taking over. | Aug 19 02:46 |
| fewa | While Nintendo has make money their on both subsequent consoles | Aug 19 02:46 |
| fewa | *made money on both | Aug 19 02:47 |
| fewa | Microsoft can't take over if they cant make money | Aug 19 02:47 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "The rich in the US continue to take more and more of the national income. The top .01% now get 6% of the income." http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~saez/saez-UStopincomes-2006prel.pdf | Aug 19 02:47 |
| fewa | schestowitz, that one more reason why GDP is such a BS metric | Aug 19 02:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was once going to buy Nintendo | Aug 19 02:48 |
| fewa | they wouldn't have made money that way | Aug 19 02:48 |
| schestowitz | Obama on Drugs: 98% Cheney? < http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-palast/obama-on-drugs-98-cheney_b_258209.html > | Aug 19 02:50 |
| fewa | oseph Stiglitz - Problems with GDP as an Economic Barometer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUaJMNtW6GA | Aug 19 02:50 |
| schestowitz | This one reminds me of DaemonFC: http://www.thenixedreport.com/blog/?p=94 | Aug 19 02:50 |
| schestowitz | "Venezuela has adopted a law censoring all newsmedia, prohibiting publication of anything that could encourage hatred or aggression, or even "indiscipline", among children. It also prohibits anything that "deforms the language" or attacks "healthy values, good customs or public health"." | Aug 19 02:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-may-aug.html#18%20August%202009%20%28Venezuela%20adopts%20censorship%29 | Aug 19 02:52 |
| schestowitz | gn | Aug 19 02:53 |
| Will_ | gn | Aug 19 02:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Scarborogh defends health insurance profits, left "Speechless" by Rep Anthony Weiner http://bit.ly/15jxTC | Aug 19 03:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Scarborogh defends health insurance profits, left "Speechless" by Rep Anthony Weiner http://bit.ly/15jxTC #publicoption #singlepayer #hc | Aug 19 03:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @davidgerard: if you are in the US, do not sign up with T-Mobile under any circumstances http://is.gd/2nwnc please forward | Aug 19 03:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @d235j looks interesting, T-Mobile is the only carrier that uses sim cards (this is good) and is not http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/ | Aug 19 04:01 | |
| Diablo-D3 | too bad t-mobile's quality sycks | Aug 19 04:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] @scientes that's not how RT (retweet) is used. also AT&T uses sim cards in the US, not only T-Mobile. | Aug 19 04:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @d235j o0O, I though "RT" meant "reply to" | Aug 19 04:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] @scientes no rt is needed for replies. :) | Aug 19 04:28 | |
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| wizzer | What do you think of this Roy? http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/08/analysis-of-boycottnovell-spam-problem.html | Aug 19 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/HDJk9wtFkrs/Windows-7-To-Sell-In-UK-For-Half-the-US-Price | Aug 19 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | buh, what? | Aug 19 04:51 |
| wizzer | http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/08/analysis-of-boycottnovell-spam-problem.html | Aug 19 04:52 |
| wizzer | i thought that would slow you drones down a bit.... | Aug 19 04:54 |
| wizzer | seems it worked rather well...the worker bees are mobilizing | Aug 19 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | who's blog is that? | Aug 19 04:58 |
| wizzer | i have no idea...but he has Schestowitz down to a science except for associating him with 7 | Aug 19 04:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | the guys a faggot I think | Aug 19 04:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | or incredibly ignorant | Aug 19 04:59 |
| wizzer | Schestowitz is an idiot for sure but he is *not* 7 | Aug 19 04:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | the gaming culture paragraph sinks the entire article | Aug 19 05:00 |
| wizzer | Lot's of fags in COLA...HPT, Marti, Greg Shearman, and many more. It's like a closet queen convention | Aug 19 05:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | wizzer: also, fuck off | Aug 19 05:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz is not an idiot | Aug 19 05:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes just... slightly misguided | Aug 19 05:00 |
| wizzer | yea..u don't like hearing the truth about your pied piper master | Aug 19 05:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | my pied piper master? schestowitz accused me of leading the tor attack against him | Aug 19 05:01 |
| wizzer | you guys are idiots and are being used | Aug 19 05:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm here merely to watch people fail to actually do anything to schestowitz | Aug 19 05:02 |
| wizzer | Schestowitz is a scam, a fraud and the fools who refuse to believe it are super fools. | Aug 19 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | its actually rather amazing how microsoft trolls are epic failures | Aug 19 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | wizzer: actually, schestowitz just glues public information together | Aug 19 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | nothing about what he does is a scam | Aug 19 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | a scam implies money or other similar implements have exchanged hands | Aug 19 05:02 |
| wizzer | sure...you continue to believe that...how about Linux at less than 1 percent of the desktop after 15 years | Aug 19 05:03 |
| wizzer | so who is the failure? | Aug 19 05:03 |
| wizzer | u think schestowitz is oing this for free? | Aug 19 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem with your argument is that you think I care if linux is widely used on the desktop | Aug 19 05:03 |
| wizzer | You're an idiot if you believe that | Aug 19 05:03 |
| wizzer | doing | Aug 19 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | the desktop is actually rather boring target | Aug 19 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | money isn't made on the desktop, its made in enterprise solutions | Aug 19 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft cant break into that, and they've tried | Aug 19 05:04 |
| wizzer | sure...typical Linux loser remark..hint the desktop is the most lucrative of all markets. | Aug 19 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | they never will, either | Aug 19 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | the desktop is not lucrative at all | Aug 19 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no money to be made there | Aug 19 05:05 |
| wizzer | duhhh...and what do you think 8000 desktops in a corporate setting will bring in? Are you that stupid? | Aug 19 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | money for who, exactly? | Aug 19 05:05 |
| wizzer | You guys are idiots....MS akes their real money on the desktop | Aug 19 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | the hardware manufacturer makes most of that money on those 8k desktops, not microsoft | Aug 19 05:05 |
| wizzer | Office, Windows etc.. compare the desktop to servers and see what you get | Aug 19 05:05 |
| wizzer | makes | Aug 19 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | do you know why IBM dropped out of the consumer desktop market? | Aug 19 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was the least profitable division they had | Aug 19 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | now they do only enterprise hardware | Aug 19 05:06 |
| wizzer | Because IBM are idiots and never figured out how to market to the consumer...see the IBM retail shops they opened, and closed back in the 80's. | Aug 19 05:06 |
| wizzer | They tried to sell the PCJr... | Aug 19 05:07 |
| wizzer | You have no clue' | Aug 19 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Dude, if you're going to troll, at least be entertaining | Aug 19 05:08 |
| wizzer | I seem to be taking you apart piece by piece...what more would you like? | Aug 19 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | Oh, you are? Since when did you think IRC mattered? | Aug 19 05:11 |
| wizzer | I'll leave you with one final thought | Aug 19 05:11 |
| wizzer | http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/08/analysis-of-boycottnovell-spam-problem.html | Aug 19 05:11 |
| wizzer | Your boy Roy Schestowitz is using all of you...And like the idiots you are you are taking up the you know what...think about it | Aug 19 05:11 |
| wizzer | Bye | Aug 19 05:11 |
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| Diablo-D3 | wow, amazing | Aug 19 05:16 |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGO2hVA3P58 | Aug 19 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/25-unintentionally-inappropriate-statues | Aug 19 05:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: man | Aug 19 05:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | you just missed a troll | Aug 19 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.uncoached.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/homeless_sign_6.jpg | Aug 19 05:26 |
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| Diablo-D3 | god this video is lol | Aug 19 05:27 |
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| fewa | the military march music | Aug 19 05:44 |
| fewa | God why is it so long.................................. | Aug 19 05:45 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, another one of those scam computer financing commercials | Aug 19 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | the FTC comes out and slaps them on the wrist sometimes | Aug 19 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | "Are you too bad with money to save $300 for a computer? Just sign here and we can get you one worth that much for only $1200 in total*" "* Computer doesn't ship until you've already paid more than it's worth, breaking this committment will ding your credit even if you haven't received the merchandise yet" | Aug 19 05:49 |
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| HP profits down 19% on poor printer and computer sales. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2009/tc20090818_790428.htm | Aug 19 06:08 | |
| Netbooks blamed. I'd say they could be making money off them, if M$ was not screwing them. | Aug 19 06:09 | |
| DaemonFC | twitter sells a few of his multiple personalities to Visible Technologies, cites lousy economy | Aug 19 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | story at 5 :P | Aug 19 06:09 |
| PC sales revenue down 18% but unit numbers are up 2% | Aug 19 06:11 | |
| DaemonFC | if Microsoft was smart they'd try to play Vista off as a bad joke and re-release XP x64 Edition | Aug 19 06:11 |
| Dell losing market share to Acer. | Aug 19 06:12 | |
| DaemonFC | maybe on the low end | Aug 19 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | Acer builds crap | Aug 19 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | you could probably fry an egg on the touchpad of a typical Acer laptop running Vista | Aug 19 06:13 |
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| Thinking of HP, Ick, look who's running for office http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/18/MNOD19A845.DTL | Aug 19 06:23 | |
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| neighborlee | Costso is now selling < not sure how long its been there> acer aspire one I think it is...not sure i'd want a acer but i'd at least check it out and see..im happy with my current setup though | Aug 19 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | I need to go find my eye drops | Aug 19 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | I can't remember the last time I wasn't stoned where my eyes were this dry | Aug 19 06:25 |
| neighborlee | smokey room ? | Aug 19 06:26 |
| neighborlee | ;0-0 | Aug 19 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Aug 19 06:26 |
| neighborlee | honeslty I think its a bad idea, unless its for pain therapy, but then it can be taken by mouth can't it ? | Aug 19 06:27 |
| neighborlee | I know NO ONE who smokes dope, that doesnt cough at some point during the experience. | Aug 19 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that's a given | Aug 19 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | well, I found my Visine, eyes are better | Aug 19 06:29 |
| neighborlee | kewl ;) | Aug 19 06:29 |
| neighborlee | sore eyes are no fun thats for sure | Aug 19 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | now why in the hell does this game say I need to restart Windows to install it? | Aug 19 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | grrr | Aug 19 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Aug 19 06:29 |
| neighborlee | hm | Aug 19 06:30 |
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| DaemonFC | and it's installing :P | Aug 19 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | already had this game for the 360, but found it in the bargain bin for PC :P | Aug 19 06:38 |
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| neighborlee | what game | Aug 19 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | Need For Speed: Most Wanted | Aug 19 06:45 |
| neighborlee | ah yes | Aug 19 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | graphics are better than on the 360 | Aug 19 06:56 |
| neighborlee | well honeslty I was happpy initially with my 360-,,was kinda looking fwd to playing bioshock andmass effect etc...I just felt having to shell out $100 more just to get online was unfair..wtih that much money I could have a ps3 so I did ;) | Aug 19 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9955/65527352.png | Aug 19 06:58 |
| neighborlee | along with bluray.which I did ;) | Aug 19 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately it doesn't support 1680 x 1050 | Aug 19 06:58 |
| neighborlee | have nfs on wii though | Aug 19 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | XP x64 is a pretty badass gaming platform | Aug 19 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | Vista, not so much | Aug 19 06:59 |
| neighborlee | I dont think i'd ever steer anyone to vista unless they already had a copy,,,and a poweful computer to run it ;) | Aug 19 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | I already have a copy and I won't use it | Aug 19 07:00 |
| neighborlee | what things ive read seem to indicate though, especially if you have dual core that xp is still champ ,,,vista most certainly i s a resource pig we know that | Aug 19 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | I've poked at it from time to time | Aug 19 07:00 |
| neighborlee | win7 is def. better..but I refuse to pay more money for priviledge ;)( | Aug 19 07:01 |
| neighborlee | when vista Shoud have beeen win7 to begin with ;) | Aug 19 07:01 |
| neighborlee | should | Aug 19 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | I wasn't thrilled with it either | Aug 19 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | they're going crazy on eye candy and DRM | Aug 19 07:01 |
| neighborlee | yes | Aug 19 07:01 |
| neighborlee | no doubt vista IS pretty....asking price , and price of admission to run it..WHEW | Aug 19 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, I thought it was pretty til I maximized a window and it turned Glass off | Aug 19 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | you have to patch system files to fix that | Aug 19 07:03 |
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| neighborlee | yikes | Aug 19 07:12 |
| neighborlee | well...time to get the real nvidia drivers instead of what vista came with.what a hastle..brb | Aug 19 07:13 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2009/08/17/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-is-it-really-that-high/ | Aug 19 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | XBOX 360 failure rate is 54.2% | Aug 19 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft failure rate is higher than that | Aug 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I see the trolls were here overnight. Some malicious stalkers spreading lies with an anonymous blog dedicated to smearing. | Aug 19 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'm writing a post about the Visible Technologies people with a few questions for them and Microsoft at the end | Aug 19 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | "Can't you funnel this PR money into making your products not suck instead? You guys are almost comically close to the "Bean Counter" Get-a-Mac ad. Only in this version there is no "fix Vista" pile, just "Advertising" and "Damage Control" budgets." | Aug 19 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 19 08:32 |
| schestowitz | They can't | Aug 19 08:32 |
| schestowitz | But it's like Apple | Aug 19 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Apple was hypocrite in its "fix Vista" ad | Aug 19 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Because they too rely a lo on advertising and so called "evangelism" | Aug 19 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but I've never seen a Mac just fall over and die like Vista tends to every day | Aug 19 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | there's that at least | Aug 19 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs: We were never really in trouble http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/08/17/goldman-sachs-we-were-never-really-in-trouble/ | Aug 19 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | although OS X Server is surprisingly an even bigger joke than Windows Server | Aug 19 08:35 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs May Lower Bonuses < http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-may-lower-bonuses-2009-8 > What? Only a million? | Aug 19 08:35 |
| schestowitz | And Apple TV. | Aug 19 08:35 |
| schestowitz | Don't forget THAT failure | Aug 19 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen precisely one corporation using OS X Server, that's Apple, and only after they were caught using Red Hat Linux | Aug 19 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | Do they even still sell OS X Server? Who buys it? | Aug 19 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | I remember giving it a once over several years ago and finding that the prepackaged tools you need to set up a server are not really even provided | Aug 19 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | you have to set up something like MacPorts and compile them from the Ports tree from source code | Aug 19 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | if you're going to do that you might as well just set up a proper FreeBSD server | Aug 19 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Let me know when you finished that blog item | Aug 19 08:38 |
| schestowitz | I can plug it into part two about ViSible AstroTurf(R) | Aug 19 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've actually linked to a couple of other incidents that are similar | Aug 19 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | including the Belkin Router review incident on Amazon | Aug 19 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | and the Republican astroturfers that will do anything to interrupt their opponents meetings | Aug 19 08:39 |
| fewa | http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_kojs29L9OU1qzd1jno1_r2_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1250713815&Signature=czoEpNiblt5qaET3wI8eiOFB2mg%3D | Aug 19 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 19 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I got a hit from silverlight.net/Community | Aug 19 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | well, that page is so crapped up with links that I'll never find out who was linking to me | Aug 19 08:47 |
| schestowitz | Do page source | Aug 19 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Then search as you type | Aug 19 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | not gonna work | Aug 19 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | looks like it may have been something that was on that page on Monday and then got shifted off of it since then | Aug 19 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Could be. Or 'short' URL nonsense | Aug 19 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | or not | Aug 19 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | found something | Aug 19 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | <img src="http://c.microsoft.com/trans_pixel.aspx?TYPE=PV&r=http%3a%2f%2fizanbardprince.wordpress.com%2fwp-admin%2findex.php%3fpage%3dstats%26view%3dreferrers%26numdays%3d7%26blog%3d3998586" width="0" height="0" alt="Page view counter" /> | Aug 19 08:50 |
| schestowitz | I can't post until you emit that stuff about Microsoft AstroTurfs | Aug 19 08:50 |
| schestowitz | I might as well fit it all into one large post | Aug 19 08:50 |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/look-out-for-microsoft-pr-firms-scanning-your-blog-such-as-visible-technologies/ | Aug 19 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's not huge, I jsut wanted to mention them | Aug 19 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | and draw some parallels to other similar behavior by groups with a bad public image | Aug 19 08:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Running the latest build of Chromium (4.0.203.0) #chromium | Aug 19 08:58 | |
| DaemonFC | uggh, fixing typos and such now | Aug 19 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | need more visine | Aug 19 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea what is wrong with my eyes today | Aug 19 09:04 |
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| DaemonFC | I did end up filling out a Microsoft survey about what I thought of Windows 7 | Aug 19 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | they send out 3-4 surveys of everything you test | Aug 19 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | who knows if anyone reads them | Aug 19 09:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | they do | Aug 19 09:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft mines information like no tommorow | Aug 19 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | They have really bad customer care | Aug 19 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to talk to the director of XBOX Live t oget my account cancelled | Aug 19 09:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | getting an account canceled is easy | Aug 19 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft kept billing me even after I cancelled my Gold account | Aug 19 09:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | throw your xbox out. | Aug 19 09:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then keep doing chargebacks on them | Aug 19 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | he eventually got them to reverse the charges and send me a free 12 month XBOX Live Gold card and a couple games | Aug 19 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | just to be safe I called the bank and reported the card stolen | Aug 19 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | that was the end of that | Aug 19 09:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | hah | Aug 19 09:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont go that far | Aug 19 09:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just tell my bank to not do any future transactions with them | Aug 19 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | if I do any business that involves having to give Microsoft a credit card number, I just use a disposable Visa now :P | Aug 19 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | so much easier than giving them an unlimited supply of cash to suck out of your account :D | Aug 19 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | well, an unlimited supply of overdrafts if it runs out of cash that is | Aug 19 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | frankly the thought of that scares the hell out of me | Aug 19 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | the bank won't let you just have them decline the debit transaction if you're out of money | Aug 19 09:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | uh, why would you ever use a debit card with anyone? | Aug 19 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | not when they can charge you $33 per overdraft + $5 every day you're under $0 | Aug 19 09:15 |
| fewa | geeze, reddit is full of Microsoft employees http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9btf7/fyi_not_so_funny_microsoft_bug_that_hosed_our/ | Aug 19 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | easier than carrying around checks or cash, I've started just using cash and stopping off at the ATM more and more | Aug 19 09:16 |
| fewa | seriously http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9btf7/fyi_not_so_funny_microsoft_bug_that_hosed_our/c0c6chh | Aug 19 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, sliding your debit card everywhere you go when there are so many XP terminals out there is like playing russian roulette with 6 loaded chambers | Aug 19 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 19 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's something nobody should do but everyone does anyway | Aug 19 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | if they have it properly locked down and take proper precautions, it may be safe, but there's just so many points of failure | Aug 19 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | like the first time a careless employee plugs in a thumbdrive, every bit of data in that system could be compromised | Aug 19 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | stuff like that happens all the time and since Visa doesn't want to admit it, they just give everyone a certain amount of fraud protection reimbursement and a daily limit on how much you can spend | Aug 19 09:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how do you proofread? | Aug 19 09:22 |
| schestowitz | There are different procedures for it | Aug 19 09:22 |
| schestowitz | For me, reading slowly in two scans proves helpful in removing close to 100% of typos | Aug 19 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Cause I'm doing that post now | Aug 19 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'm kind of bipolar and asynchronous, a lot of the time I submit something then peck away at the typos over the next 10 minutes or so | Aug 19 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | I'm awful, I know | Aug 19 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | fewa: It's like, I can spend or withdraw $1,000 a day and I have $2,000 of "fraud protection" and if Visa notices anything weird they deactivate the card and call me | Aug 19 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | the system doesn't work well | Aug 19 09:25 |
| fewa | seriously http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9btf7/fyi_not_so_funny_microsoft_bug_that_hosed_our/c0c6chh | Aug 19 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | I've made a $600 purchase in Walmart before then turned around and had to wait on something, so I buy a $1 bottle of Coke and the Visa system flags it as a back to back transaction and freezes the card | Aug 19 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | it's really quite nerve wracking | Aug 19 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | big companies typically have an approved list of software in every category and it's usually written up by someone who shouldn't even have their position | Aug 19 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | on that list of approved software is usually the worst antivirus programs on the market, like Norton or McAfee | Aug 19 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | more often than not they totalyl fail to stop whatever it is they're supposed to keep out because it turns out that those are always the ones that malware writers test their stuff against extensively | Aug 19 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | when you install Norton you've just lost a ton of system resources and have yet another complicated program running with administrator access to the system, which can then be hijacked | Aug 19 09:32 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, it's odd that you compare IE and Konqueror because Konqueror was actually based on a lot of the ideas in IE 4 and the Windows Desktop Update | Aug 19 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | of course Konqueror does those tasks a lot better | Aug 19 09:35 |
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| DaemonFC | Opera actually didn't have tabs, it had a "multiple document interface" | Aug 19 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | tabs are essentailly a dumbed down version of that, but you can have it use the MDI instead | Aug 19 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox hasn't always been faster than IE, but it's never been slower, the two were pretty neck and neck speedwise around Firefox 1 and IE 6 | Aug 19 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | but that was years ago | Aug 19 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 has more complete CSS 2 support than Firefox, but not by much, and it totally lacks support for a lot of things that Firefox supports quite well | Aug 19 09:41 |
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| DaemonFC | Firefox has much more thorough support of CSS 3 elements | Aug 19 09:42 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28CSS%29 | Aug 19 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | DeviantArt has an entire page glorifying IE 8 | Aug 19 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.deviantart.com/article/74674/ | Aug 19 09:53 |
| fewa_ | IE 8 was obsolete before it was released. | Aug 19 10:09 |
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| fewa | with no support for canvas, <video>, <audio> or CSS3 it's already holding the internet back | Aug 19 10:10 |
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| DaemonFC | Firefox doesn't support a lot of the HTML 5 draft | Aug 19 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | just a few high-PR value bits | Aug 19 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | Opera actually already has most of it implemented | Aug 19 10:15 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Visible_Technologies updated. It would be useful to build up those lists. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_PR_Agencies | Aug 19 10:18 |
| cubezzz | is there a way to get vim to exit gracefully via ssh? | Aug 19 10:21 |
| cubezzz | kill always seems to mess up bash | Aug 19 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | :q is how you stop vi locally | Aug 19 10:22 |
| cubezzz | sure, but I want to do it remotely | Aug 19 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's about the most unfriendly editor I've ever had to use | Aug 19 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | good luck :D | Aug 19 10:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Ralph Nader of Obama's sell out to health and pharmaceutical interests http://ur1.ca/9hvp | Aug 19 10:22 | |
| cubezzz | there's no SIGEXIT it seems | Aug 19 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | for whatever reason, I always end up using nano | Aug 19 10:25 |
| cubezzz | basically all I want to do is keep this text file open on 2 computers and be able to update it | Aug 19 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I did notice an amusing item that nLite lets you remove from your XP installation disc | Aug 19 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | the ActiveX video control that caused the security problem that led to the out of band security patch back in May | Aug 19 10:26 |
| cubezzz | hmm, nano seems to exit gracefully on kill | Aug 19 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | nobody has ever used it, even Microsoft admits that it was dead code that has been sitting there for th last 9 years | Aug 19 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | ctrl+x? | Aug 19 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | Nano is much more thought out than vi | Aug 19 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | like they figured real people may end up using it | Aug 19 10:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Almost ready to release Season 2, Episode 11 of @uupc . It's a monster at 94 mins long! Sorry. | Aug 19 10:28 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how is it malovalent? | Aug 19 10:33 |
| schestowitz | I don't see the significance of it | Aug 19 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | how is what? | Aug 19 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Consider what Windows does with 'editions' | Aug 19 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft -- we give you less. | Aug 19 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Same with all sorts of controls that I can recall, let me find it.. | Aug 19 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | meh, best practices dictate that dead code should be removed ASAP even if there's no immediate danger | Aug 19 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise it tends to pile up and surprise you with problems later | Aug 19 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | it just unnerved me that they introduced that control in Windows 2000 and it's still there in Windows 7 even though it's never been used | Aug 19 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/27/vista-7-disablement-pricing/ Read htis | Aug 19 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, that's also the difference between Windows Server editions and where they (used to anyway) put the 120 day time bomb in the trial version | Aug 19 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | in the registry | Aug 19 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | you could edit that out and give yourself a free copy of Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition that validated and never times out | Aug 19 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | they knew most corporations wouldn't do that because Microsoft "audits" them frequently | Aug 19 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | and most consumers never even look at Windows Server | Aug 19 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | same trick worked on the trial version of XP x64 | Aug 19 10:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Research: Free Content Increasingly Popular As ‘Transactional’ Sites Wane" http://ping.fm/RCCi1 | Aug 19 10:41 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, XP Professional and Home, that's where they really started drawing the line | Aug 19 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of businesses actually bought up copies of Windows 95/98 even though it was a "consumer product" cause it was cheaper than Windows NT | Aug 19 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | so Microsoft took steps to disable the business features in the cheaper versions from XP onward | Aug 19 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Judge Says Blogger Who Called Model A Skank Should Be Unmasked < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090817/1756045906.shtml > | Aug 19 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | business users are the real victims there | Aug 19 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | home users just want something to play games on and run their web browser | Aug 19 10:45 |
| Ng | business users should be buying the version that comes with proper business support | Aug 19 10:45 |
| schestowitz | But how is security so tragic? | Aug 19 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Aug 19 10:46 |
| schestowitz | I mean nLite | Aug 19 10:46 |
| Ng | the cheap option is all well and good, but it leaves you kinda exposed. US companies at least have to be a lot more careful about that kinda thing these days with Sarbanes Oxley | Aug 19 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | nLite is fairly useful in letting you gut out the stupid crap that's laying around opening up vulnerabilities | Aug 19 10:46 |
| Ng | (having said that, Microsoft support is next to useless ;) | Aug 19 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | an example is that you could remove the Windows Scripting Host and then Windows can't even run VBS files at all :P | Aug 19 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | it also lets you remove all of Itnernet Explorer, including the engine | Aug 19 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | you can get a fairly tiny installation of XP out of it | Aug 19 10:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Visible Technologies Funded by Former Microsoft People http://ping.fm/OJP5s | Aug 19 10:47 | |
| schestowitz | Looks Like The Guy Who Set The Record For Largest Credit Card Breach Was Breaking His Own Record < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090818/0047085910.shtml > | Aug 19 10:48 |
| schestowitz | Ng: it's not useful | Aug 19 10:48 |
| schestowitz | What's useless about RRR (rerun, reboot, reinstall)? | Aug 19 10:49 |
| Ng | as a linux sysadmin I know I can actually fix things, not just reboot problems until they go away ;) | Aug 19 10:50 |
| schestowitz | South Korea halts rocket launch < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8208387.stm > | Aug 19 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Ng: when was the last time you had an issue? | Aug 19 10:51 |
| Ng | schestowitz: with windows? I've not touched it in a professional capcity for almost 5 years | Aug 19 10:52 |
| schestowitz | For me, the 'struggle' points are insisting on moving from Firefox 3.0 to 3.5 before it is packaged by Mandriva. The rest just work. | Aug 19 10:52 |
| schestowitz | *works | Aug 19 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Ng: yeah, I have the same issue. I don't know how flaky Windows (as per today) can be | Aug 19 10:52 |
| schestowitz | I still see BSoDs on colle\ague's PCs sometimes | Aug 19 10:53 |
| Ng | schestowitz: but we run into bugs in free software all the time, but at least we can report them openly, test new versions openly and likely discuss with the developers if it's a priority for them | Aug 19 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | I've only ever had one BSOD on XP x64 | Aug 19 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | had a ton of them on Vista though | Aug 19 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | or it would jsut freeze and never spit out an error at all | Aug 19 10:54 |
| schestowitz | XP seems flaky | Aug 19 10:54 |
| schestowitz | I maybe see it like an hour a month on someone else's computers | Aug 19 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | the various XP flavors have been patched so much that they're more or less under control | Aug 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | And often I get to see incidents like Windows XP freezing, programs crashing, or peripherals not responding and requiring a reboot | Aug 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Network issues are another matter (not related to Windows) | Aug 19 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | well yeah, that's usually something bad that they installed that they shouldn't have | Aug 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | My PC at work has been up for over 200 days now | Aug 19 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | XP doesn't really protect itself from poorly written programs | Aug 19 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Runs Ubuntu | Aug 19 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | take a look in the startup section of their msconfig | Aug 19 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | look at the programs they isntalled | Aug 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Been ages since I touch msconfig | Aug 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | win98 | Aug 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | *touched | Aug 19 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of really badly written programs out there that can definitely kill Windows | Aug 19 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | you need to watch what you install | Aug 19 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of the "freeware" lurking about actually has spyware piggybacking on it | Aug 19 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | Digsby is one of the best current examples of that | Aug 19 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | also people tend to install Limewire and download "keygens" and "cracks" that are really viruses | Aug 19 10:58 |
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| DaemonFC | it's kind of obvious what they are, but people are stupid | Aug 19 10:58 |
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| DaemonFC | the first thing I noticed right after Microsoft introduced the IE 6 "information bar" which blocked ActiveX controls from offering to install themselves without user intervention, was "free screensaver" type sites that said "Click on the Information Bar and click "Install ActiveX control" | Aug 19 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | those spyware sites actually walk clueless users through the steps to disable their browsers security features and ignore the warnings it gives them | Aug 19 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | so a lot....not all, but a lot of the bad shit out there has been installed by an ignorant user that ignored all the red flags that Windows was tossing at them | Aug 19 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say 90% of it is idiot users, and 10% of it is installed through remotely exploited holes | Aug 19 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's made easier by people who use no antivirus or bad antivirus | Aug 19 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | bad antivirus, like Norton, has a habit of not catching things and throwing up meaningless warnings and false positives so often that you start tuning it out when it really has found something dangerous | Aug 19 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | the best antivirus will be between 97-99.5% effective, I'd say Norton and McAfee are more like 50/50 | Aug 19 11:04 |
| schestowitz | "Why are we comparing an alpha build of Ubuntu to an RTM build of Windows 7? Not only is this like comparing Apples to Oranges, but it's like comparing Apples from Mars to Oranges from Earth! Stupid!" http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-18-031-35-OP-BZ-UB-0000 | Aug 19 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | they have a huge userbase mainly from bribing huge OEMs like Dell and HP to include them as trialware on new PCs, where they have like a 30 day subscription then start bugging the shit out of the user to pay $50 a year to keep their "protection" | Aug 19 11:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Issues/2009/107/THE-NEXT-SNAKE << THE NEXT SNAKE (Python) | Aug 19 11:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, people are dumb | Aug 19 11:07 |
| schestowitz | And gullible | Aug 19 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Consumer protection motions are weak | Aug 19 11:07 |
| schestowitz | They would be outwashed by PRs and AstroTurfs (lobbying) | Aug 19 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu 9.10 should be mostly feature complete, but that doesn't mean it's stable enough to really fault it if it fails you, it is still stamped "not suitable for daily use" | Aug 19 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | I could see where they would compare features fairly at this point though | Aug 19 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | even at that, there's still a few things that will land that haven't yet, including the new artwork | Aug 19 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | so I hope they aren't running around taking screenshots | Aug 19 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Some are | Aug 19 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, the freeware antivirus btw consistently scores much better than the paid versions of McAfee or Norton | Aug 19 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how many times someone can have their system pwned while Norton is "on guard" and they still fork over the subscription renewal fee | Aug 19 11:10 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, a great argument for public funding like Lessig's Change-congress | Aug 19 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | the last personal experience I had with Norton on any of my systems was when SystemWorks '98 ruined my copy of Windows 98, but I've seen their newer software on other systems, and most of them were so overrun with spyware I couldn't save them | Aug 19 11:12 |
| fewa | Let elected congress do what they were elected to do, legislate | Aug 19 11:13 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yeah, I watched many talks from him. DIdn't he "move on"? | Aug 19 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | I noted in my Windows 7 questionnaire that I did not intend to run the copy of Windows 7 I got, even though it's free, because XP was still serving me better | Aug 19 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Copyright reform->congress reform->research reform | Aug 19 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | I actually wrote them about three pages of why I didn't want Windows 7 | Aug 19 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | I got a free copy of it off of the MSDN site complete with a real serial because one of them was trying to butter me up | Aug 19 11:15 |
| cubezzz | you player :) | Aug 19 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | hey, I could have probably just played along and gotten a shirt and baseball cap too | Aug 19 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | that would be unethical | Aug 19 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | Watch Chris Pirillo sound off about it though. Though he's up for sale to the highest bidder, whoever sends him the most free stuff | Aug 19 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | the Zonbu Linux people sent him a free "Zonbu" computer to review in the mail | Aug 19 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Good for OpenSolaris: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=korona_opensolaris_kde&num=1 | Aug 19 11:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: same with Mossberg | Aug 19 11:19 |
| schestowitz | BTW: | Aug 19 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | highest bidder you mean? | Aug 19 11:19 |
| schestowitz | This is quite important.. | Aug 19 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Some years ago I read that if you mention Pirillo twice in your blog, then he shows up | Aug 19 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Damage control too | Aug 19 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Been true for BN | Aug 19 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | he did show up | Aug 19 11:19 |
| schestowitz | He shows up there when he's mentioned... | Aug 19 11:19 |
| schestowitz | So.....: | Aug 19 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | he told me to go fuck myself | Aug 19 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | his words | Aug 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if his relationship with Invisible is also that of a CLIENT | Aug 19 11:20 |
| trmanco | wow | Aug 19 11:20 |
| trmanco | linux has quake live now | Aug 19 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | he'll also ban you offf of WyldRyde if you disagree with him | Aug 19 11:20 |
| trmanco | anybody wanna play :-P | Aug 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: "mom" upside down? | Aug 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Ah, that. | Aug 19 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | I mean you don't even have to be pushing for a fight, jsut respectfully disagree | Aug 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz | It's old news | Aug 19 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | and he'll get you zlined | Aug 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: you can play with Windows lusers too | Aug 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz | No need for Linux vs Linux user | Aug 19 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | sauerbraten clients all connect regardless of platform | Aug 19 11:21 |
| trmanco | I know | Aug 19 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Android backstabbing http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/will-g1-continue-get-one | Aug 19 11:22 |
| schestowitz | In WIndows, gamer credentials easily get stolen | Aug 19 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Like in WoW | Aug 19 11:23 |
| schestowitz | 'Steal' all your virtual assets!!!!!! | Aug 19 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | I've never played WoW | Aug 19 11:23 |
| trmanco | me neither | Aug 19 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | I used to be really big on Ultima Online | Aug 19 11:23 |
| trmanco | dang | Aug 19 11:23 |
| trmanco | kernel update | Aug 19 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | the free shards (unofficial servers) are a better place to play that | Aug 19 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | saves you the $5 a month | Aug 19 11:24 |
| trmanco | msut be the null pointer local exploit thingy | Aug 19 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 is actually quite a lot faster on Windows XP | Aug 19 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | which is amusing | Aug 19 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | it lags like an SOB on Vista or Windows 7 | Aug 19 11:25 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 19 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 on XP is roughly on par with Opera in rendering speed | Aug 19 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | tabs snap open and shut immediately | Aug 19 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Open Source and Gaming < http://elevenislouder.blogspot.com/2009/08/open-source-and-gaming.html > | Aug 19 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | on Vista it can take over 3 seconds for a new tab to open | Aug 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that'd be high schools days | Aug 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Ultima is OLD | Aug 19 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's still around, there's a newer 3d client | Aug 19 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | but you can use the original one too, it won't mess up your account | Aug 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Killer feature of KDE: A Quick and Easy Guide to KDE KIO slaves < http://maketecheasier.com/quick-easy-guide-to-kde-kio-slaves/2009/08/17 >\ | Aug 19 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Gotta love kio | Aug 19 11:29 |
| trmanco | trmanco-desktop kernel: [92725.067379] pidgin[3337]: segfault at 676e6190 ip b547d70b sp bf844800 error 4 in libmsn.so[b545a000+41000] | Aug 19 11:29 |
| trmanco | pidgfin crashed because of msn | Aug 19 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | that's odd, why? | Aug 19 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | I had to trick Windows Live Messenger into installing | Aug 19 11:30 |
| trmanco | don't know | Aug 19 11:30 |
| trmanco | I was typing an offline message to a friend | Aug 19 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft claims it doesn't work on XP x64, which is bullshit | Aug 19 11:30 |
| trmanco | it started leaking pretty badly | Aug 19 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | everything down to video conferencing works fine | Aug 19 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | another one of those "We'd like to take a minute to prod you onto Vista" opportunities | Aug 19 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe bad input | Aug 19 11:34 |
| trmanco | nah | Aug 19 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Twitter causes such issues too | Aug 19 11:34 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/3363032522 | Aug 19 11:35 |
| schestowitz | In China, DNA tests on kids ID genetic gifts, careers http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/03/china.dna.children.ability/index.html | Aug 19 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Does the GPL Matter? In a Word, Yes < http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/08/17/does-the-gpl-matter/ > He cited the Black Duck rubbish | Aug 19 11:43 |
| schestowitz | With the Microsoft code stuffed in | Aug 19 11:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More reminders that global warming/nuclear winter could wipe out millions/billions http://ping.fm/aYpLy ("India's thirsty farms drain ro ... | Aug 19 11:46 | |
| DaemonFC | "There is no way to fix it. When using AVerMedia Center it will switch back to | Aug 19 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Basic." | Aug 19 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | official reply from AverMedia from when I asked if their media center will properly support Windows 7 Aero :P | Aug 19 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they probably abandoned it and are getting ready to tell people to use Windows Media Center | Aug 19 11:49 |
| schestowitz | http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/08/18/social-media-has-made-me-boring/ Social media has made me boring | Aug 19 11:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: just move to Linux | Aug 19 11:53 |
| schestowitz | That'd resolve many issues you're complaining about | Aug 19 11:53 |
| schestowitz | You could run xchat+FF for months without interference | Aug 19 11:54 |
| schestowitz | "Forty-three Azerbaijani music fans who voted for neighbouring Armenia in this year's Eurovision song contest have been questioned about their 'ethnic pride'" http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/aug/18/azerbaijan-authorities-interrogate-music-fans | Aug 19 11:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Obama’s Science Adviser Urges Leadership On Climate - http://bit.ly/XA5Rj comfortingly sane responses from a man of some power | Aug 19 11:56 | |
| schestowitz | Haha: http://ie6offenders.com/ | Aug 19 11:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Get people off the curse (to Webmasters and users alike) which is MSIE6: http://ping.fm/ARieN | Aug 19 12:00 | |
| schestowitz | Americans enjoy middle-of-the-night web surfing more than Europeans do < http://thenextweb.com/2009/08/18/americans-europeans-online-night/ > | Aug 19 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Ow.ly And Bit.ly Fastest, Most Reliable URL Shorteners. Tr.Im Comes Up . . . Short. < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/18/owly-and-bitly-fastest-most-reliable-url-shorteners-trim-comes-up-short/ > | Aug 19 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | IE 6 was the worst Internet Explorer release ever | Aug 19 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | I think it probably sprang more leaks than any other version | Aug 19 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | the funny part is that the XP installer boasts that it includes "the most secure IE yet" | Aug 19 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | I was rather horrified back in 2003 when Microsoft said it had no plans to ever upgrade IE on XP from version 6 | Aug 19 12:09 |
| cubezzz | Embrace, Extend, Extinguish | Aug 19 12:10 |
| cubezzz | anyways, I don't use IE at all | Aug 19 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | <script>for (x in document.write) { document.write(x);}</script> | Aug 19 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | put that in your page and IE 6 will crash | Aug 19 12:11 |
| cubezzz | and they did manage to extinguish netscape pretty well | Aug 19 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | good riddance to that | Aug 19 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | but I didn't like Explorer that much either | Aug 19 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.saveie6.com/ | Aug 19 12:12 |
| cubezzz | microsoft has really really borked up the net | Aug 19 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 fixes a lot of the more heinous crap that IE 6 did, but it's really far from being enough | Aug 19 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's gone from total crap to barely acceptable | Aug 19 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Office 2007 SP2 to hit Automatic Updates on September 21 < http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/office-2007-sp2-to-hit-automatic-updates-on-september-21.ars > | Aug 19 12:22 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2009/08/18/calling-all-volunteers-mozilla-service-week-needs-you/ http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2452&blogid=14 | Aug 19 12:23 |
| cubezzz | I got a ticket one time parking in the wrong place, and I was trying to pay for it using Linux and firefox | Aug 19 12:23 |
| cubezzz | couldn't do it, the civic web page was 100% microsoft only | Aug 19 12:24 |
| cubezzz | not even firefox on windows was good enough | Aug 19 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | who gave you the ticket? | Aug 19 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose you tried spoofing Firefox as IE on Windows? | Aug 19 12:27 |
| cubezzz | yes | Aug 19 12:27 |
| cubezzz | some meter maid I suppose | Aug 19 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason my bank was blocking Opera | Aug 19 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | no other browser was blocked but Opera, it redirected you to a "Get Firefox or Internt Explorer or Safari" page | Aug 19 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | I complained about that and they stopped doing it | Aug 19 12:28 |
| cubezzz | well, I don't mind that much if I can use the site using Linux using _some_ browser | Aug 19 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose you could have just mailed the payment | Aug 19 12:29 |
| cubezzz | well, I complained to the dev about it :) | Aug 19 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft seems unusually hostile towards Opera and it goes way back, years | Aug 19 12:29 |
| cubezzz | I got opera on my zaurus, works fairly well | Aug 19 12:30 |
| cubezzz | never had a problem with banks, or government sites, just the city web site | Aug 19 12:30 |
| schestowitz | msn.com on Opra | Aug 19 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Aug 19 12:33 |
| schestowitz | And the Microsoft crowd now wants a boycott of Opera | Aug 19 12:33 |
| schestowitz | They can't see the real bad guy | Aug 19 12:33 |
| cubezzz | just boycott microsoft itself :) | Aug 19 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | Paul Thurrott does anyway | Aug 19 12:34 |
| cubezzz | simpler | Aug 19 12:34 |
| schestowitz | They are led to believe they are the good guys. THey all have excuse. I'm sure Stalin had one too. | Aug 19 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | if anyone actually cares what he thinks | Aug 19 12:34 |
| schestowitz | He mentions BN before | Aug 19 12:34 |
| schestowitz | *Ed | Aug 19 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | I think Thurrott is a pretty good comedian | Aug 19 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Ie he? | Aug 19 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | he almost lampoons himself and doesn't even realize it | Aug 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz | *Is he? I never paid much attention to him | Aug 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz | WIndows SUPERsite | Aug 19 12:35 |
| schestowitz | no bias there | Aug 19 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | he contradicts himself and then retcons everything to make himself right even though he's wrong | Aug 19 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | that's why he's funny | Aug 19 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | my favorite was how hard he was pushing Windows Media back around 2001-2004 and then once that went nowhere he was all like "I've always said use MP3" because "AAC isn't Windows-friendly" and Ogg Vorbis is "a bizarre religious format" | Aug 19 12:37 |
| cubezzz | well as Stallman would point out, mp3 is patented, hence we have ogg vorbis | Aug 19 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: Interoperable, Yes, But No Respect At All http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/102664/microsoft-interoperable-yes-but-no-respect-at-all.html | Aug 19 12:38 |
| cubezzz | he sounds like a goof :) | Aug 19 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | he is totally whacked | Aug 19 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | MP3 is really not all that dangerous | Aug 19 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | certainly nowhere near as dangerous as independently implementing WMA | Aug 19 12:38 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I try to stay away from wma | Aug 19 12:39 |
| cubezzz | drm and all that | Aug 19 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | WMA only has one encoder, Microsoft's, it's all heavily patented, and it's not well-documented | Aug 19 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | just put your data in and don't ask how we store it | Aug 19 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | or what you can play it on later | Aug 19 12:40 |
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| DaemonFC | MP3 was never designed to be closed or platform dependent, it was designed specifically to make it easy to implement everywhere and that's exactly what happened | Aug 19 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | the ISO reference code is good enough to at least point you in the right direction, and that's how LAME came about | Aug 19 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | there is no reference implementation of Windows Media, because it is not a standard | Aug 19 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is a standard /sarcasm | Aug 19 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft, oddly enough, snapped up a lot of the guys that developed MPEG Layer 1 audio to work on WMA (the original WMA), including Henrique Malvar | Aug 19 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | as soon as he was on their payroll he couldn't say enough good things about WMA | Aug 19 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | despite the fact that none of it was actually true | Aug 19 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | the truth is that Microsoft doesn't even "own" all the patents required to implement Windows Media, they have to license them and pay royalties to the MPEG forum because that's what they base their codecs on | Aug 19 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | they're just second rate MPEG clones | Aug 19 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | by all rights they should have fired whoever came up with their VBR algorithm, even I could have done better than that | Aug 19 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | whoever signed off on the results must have been deaf | Aug 19 12:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Windows is a Curse to Unix Harmony http://ping.fm/2rOMM | Aug 19 12:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Analysts for Sale Speak About the Value of GNU/Linux Vending http://ping.fm/yna9Q | Aug 19 12:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why GNU/Linux Users No Longer Require Windows for Applications http://ping.fm/C6BaG | Aug 19 12:55 | |
| DaemonFC | I'd love to see Windows Live Messenger on that list | Aug 19 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's about the only real Windows-centric application I use on a daily basis and it's because I have so many contacts who show no interest in using something more open | Aug 19 12:58 |
| MinceR | you could use pidgin, kopete, jabber+m$n transport or bitlbee+irc client | Aug 19 12:59 |
| MinceR | or amsn | Aug 19 12:59 |
| MinceR | or about a hundred others | Aug 19 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | if it's not a problem for them, they won't switch, that's why Microsoft goes out of their way to make it work on almost any version of Windows you're likely to use it on | Aug 19 12:59 |
| MinceR | you can still connect to m$n messenger | Aug 19 12:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Overview of KDE Killer Feature: KIO http://ping.fm/yMfsI | Aug 19 12:59 | |
| MinceR | and communicate | Aug 19 12:59 |
| MinceR | it would be nice to add vfs (FUSE?) support for KIO | Aug 19 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the text part works wonderfully | Aug 19 13:00 |
| MinceR | gnome did it with gvfs already (even if it seems a little brittle) | Aug 19 13:00 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and what else do you need? | Aug 19 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | it seems like nobody can ever get video conferencing to work, or they'll get a good start on it then let it lapse | Aug 19 13:00 |
| MinceR | especially if it's _their_ fault for not using something open and standardized? | Aug 19 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, I know it's their fault | Aug 19 13:01 |
| MinceR | let them know | Aug 19 13:01 |
| DaemonFC | I can scream louder at them or keep using what they use | Aug 19 13:01 |
| MinceR | or you can write text messages to them over it | Aug 19 13:01 |
| MinceR | which is imo superior to any other medium anyway | Aug 19 13:01 |
| MinceR | asynchronous, low bandwidth requirements, usable in noisy environments | Aug 19 13:02 |
| MinceR | highly portable | Aug 19 13:02 |
| MinceR | loggable, searchable | Aug 19 13:02 |
| MinceR | etc. | Aug 19 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'd prefer threatening them with extreme pain if they don't all switch to GTalk | Aug 19 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | but that's not feasible | Aug 19 13:02 |
| MinceR | that works too | Aug 19 13:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OpenSolaris 'Meets' KDE 4.3 (Korona) http://ping.fm/oK0Sl | Aug 19 13:02 | |
| DaemonFC | people are so effing lazy that they won't even use another Windows application | Aug 19 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's pretty bad | Aug 19 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | I have 250 gigs of bandwidth per month | Aug 19 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | which I'm surprisingly not passing, somehow | Aug 19 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I've just lost my touch | Aug 19 13:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] Dell's Rumoured Linux Phones Still Unconfirmed http://ping.fm/yXJ77 | Aug 19 13:04 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: try backups over the network | Aug 19 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, lots of Direct3d related patches landed in Wine 1.1.27 | Aug 19 13:06 |
| *DaemonFC perks up | Aug 19 13:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Service Week is Coming http://ping.fm/43Mkt | Aug 19 13:07 | |
| DaemonFC | if it wasn't for all the triple damned SecuROM-infected video games, I have no doubt that Wine would run at least 9 out of every 10 | Aug 19 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | its DirectX implementation is actually quite good, it's maddening that the copy protection causes the game to commit suicide when it thinks Wine is a debugger | Aug 19 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | Crossover Games, at some point, is going to have to license the same copy protection modules that Cedega is, or else it will stay limited to whatever Steam has available | Aug 19 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | I really don't feel like funding Transgaming, they fleece you worse than buying a copy of Windows, and some of your Cedega license money actually does go to Microsoft | Aug 19 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | they've licensed various redistributable binaries and such | Aug 19 13:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open-Xchange Launches Business Conference Really Soon http://ping.fm/aoPCA | Aug 19 13:11 | |
| DaemonFC | the core Cedega code is rotten and worthless and the fact that it can run anything at all is just telling of how many proprietary hacks and binary only modules they license | Aug 19 13:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Censorship Comes to Venezuela http://ping.fm/yTzRR | Aug 19 13:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Comcast Fights Against the Internet http://ping.fm/h3noV | Aug 19 13:13 | |
| DaemonFC | I have to say I'm impressed with Wined3d though, its performance (when it does work) rivals XP and blows Vista out of the water | Aug 19 13:14 |
| MinceR | at least you get to run those games on a real OS with Transgaming | Aug 19 13:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government in Hungary Pressured to Improve Free Software Awareness http://ping.fm/keWJp | Aug 19 13:15 | |
| MinceR | as opposed to windows | Aug 19 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | when it works | Aug 19 13:16 |
| MinceR | and your apps can keep running in the background | Aug 19 13:16 |
| MinceR | yes, when it works | Aug 19 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not paying $50 a year to get stuck with "Sometimes it works" | Aug 19 13:16 |
| MinceR | neither am i :) | Aug 19 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh, and btw, we don't give anything back to Wine" | Aug 19 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'd pay what Crossover Games is asking if they would include comaptibility modules for the copy protection on those discs | Aug 19 13:17 |
| MinceR | i prefer the pricing of Crossover Gaming anyway | Aug 19 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | last I checked, Codeweavers only wanted like $25 a year, and they practically *are* Wine | Aug 19 13:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People Converted to Mere Numbers, DNA Captured Too http://ping.fm/KI4yi http://ping.fm/j6n0t | Aug 19 13:18 | |
| DaemonFC | normally I'd be just as happy to say "fuck it" and go find a No-DVD crack somewhere, but it's getting to where you can't even install the game unless SecuROM is satisfied you're running it on Windows | Aug 19 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | Sony should be sued just for that | Aug 19 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | so should EA | Aug 19 13:19 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 19 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | if anyone has a million dollars to foot my lawyer bills, I'll sue them | Aug 19 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 19 13:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Pirates' from the Police Department 'Steal' from Poor Artists, Says MAFIAA http://ping.fm/FpU42 | Aug 19 13:20 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't necessarily mind paying $60 for a really good game, I don't even mind going out of my way because they didn't officially "support" running it in Linux, but deliberately crippling it so that it can't and calling their customers thieves jsut goes way too far | Aug 19 13:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Radiohead Loves BitTorrent, Uses It for Business http://ping.fm/I2m0H | Aug 19 13:22 | |
| DaemonFC | it'll get to the point where there's just no games worth buying because they're all getting to that point, and they don't even realize that even die hard Windows users don't want their stuff anymore because of the DRM | Aug 19 13:23 |
| MinceR | you tend to get a better deal out of piracy | Aug 19 13:23 |
| MinceR | costs less, has no DRM | Aug 19 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Aug 19 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | EA figures every lost sale is piracy. Even if I don't download their game. Just for walking away in disgust when I saw how much they encumbered it, they'll report it as "revenue lost to piracy" | Aug 19 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | talk about inflated ego | Aug 19 13:25 |
| cubezzz | piracy was really bad in the old days too, hence typing in stuff from the manual, code-wheels etc | Aug 19 13:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attack on Sharing in Spain, the UK, and Maybe Antarctica http://ping.fm/VZSTI http://ping.fm/jhXeY http://ping.fm/7PteL | Aug 19 13:25 | |
| DaemonFC | they would have sold me a copy of Spore, but Sony SecuROM talked me out of it | Aug 19 13:25 |
| cubezzz | I can see both sides | Aug 19 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | same with 2K Games and Bioshock | Aug 19 13:26 |
| cubezzz | piracy was hurting linux game development for sure | Aug 19 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | the way I see it, is when I pay for a copy of the product, I should be able to install it for my own use on as many systems as I want, and install it as many times as I need to | Aug 19 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | instead they punish you for bothering to properly license it | Aug 19 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | and the "pirates" can make as many copies as they want | Aug 19 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's the definition of ass backwards | Aug 19 13:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Elite Monopolists from WIPO Over-represent 'the People' http://ping.fm/2flQ7 | Aug 19 13:27 | |
| MinceR | cubezzz: DRM isn't going to stop piracy | Aug 19 13:28 |
| MinceR | in fact, it will always hamper sales more than it will hamper piracy | Aug 19 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | DRM is killing their loyal, paying customer base and encouraging them to just take a copy off of bittorrent | Aug 19 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think they're capable of even grasping that | Aug 19 13:28 |
| cubezzz | I think most Loki games didn't have DRM, but .... | Aug 19 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | it was like that when the gas stations decided they could scalp us for $5 a gallon after Hurricane Katrina and then lots of people started gassing up and running off without paying | Aug 19 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of hard to feel sorry for the gas stations | Aug 19 13:30 |
| cubezzz | of course Loki is long gone | Aug 19 13:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] For those who don't know, WIPO can be seen as a 'front' mostly used by people in power and companies that monopolise with pieces of paper. | Aug 19 13:30 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, at the time though, less systems were even capable of booting Linux | Aug 19 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | much less with 3d accelerated graphics, maybe even sound | Aug 19 13:31 |
| cubezzz | you have to look at the other side, if you were a programmer and everybody pirated your stuff you wouldn't like it too much | Aug 19 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | so they were trying to cater to a very tiny fraction of a percent of the PC market | Aug 19 13:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents on Life May be Banned in Australia, Unlike the US http://ping.fm/1gNWe | Aug 19 13:31 | |
| cubezzz | I don't really see any perfect solution | Aug 19 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | it would probably be at least a self-sustaining model were they to try again now | Aug 19 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | back then you had systems that said "Designed for Windows 98" and they MEANT they could ONLY run Windows 98 | Aug 19 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | and maybe NT 5/2000 | Aug 19 13:33 |
| cubezzz | I think Loki lasted until 2001 | Aug 19 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | well, that would have been right before XP launched | Aug 19 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | so everyone and their mother had Windows 98 | Aug 19 13:33 |
| cubezzz | but they had big management problems on top of the piracy problems | Aug 19 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, major mooch factor in that crowd, you think? | Aug 19 13:34 |
| cubezzz | I bought some Loki games | Aug 19 13:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] C# Fails Very Badly at Popularity in the Free Software World http://ping.fm/9CAXl #mono | Aug 19 13:34 | |
| DaemonFC | Linux users consisted of about 50 people who were all like "Information wants to be free, Viva La Revolution! I installed Debian on my toaster!" | Aug 19 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | it was much more hardcore than grandma using Ubuntu on her Dell | Aug 19 13:35 |
| cubezzz | Linux guys want to make money, at least most of them do, everyone needs some money to live | Aug 19 13:36 |
| cubezzz | even Stallman | Aug 19 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | if an operating system is really doing what it should, people shouldn't even realize what they're using because it will not get in the way | Aug 19 13:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 Crippled Edition Runs Only on Overly Crippled Computer http://ping.fm/BSG3O | Aug 19 13:36 | |
| DaemonFC | right now people have no idea what they're using because it's pretty much all XP or Vista | Aug 19 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | and it | Aug 19 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's "part of the computer" | Aug 19 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | so no matter how badly it screws up, it's that "damned computer" | Aug 19 13:37 |
| MinceR | 143824 -BNc:#boycottnovell- [schestowitz] For those who don't know, WIPO can be seen as a 'front' mostly used by people in power and companies that monopolise with pieces | Aug 19 13:37 |
| cubezzz | ok, Loki shut down in Jan 2002 | Aug 19 13:37 |
| MinceR | of paper. | Aug 19 13:37 |
| MinceR | isn't that true of the entirety of UN? | Aug 19 13:37 |
| MinceR | s/U/the U/ | Aug 19 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 19 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Diplomats | Aug 19 13:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] BIOS updated desktop Asus P5N32-E SLI, now it wont boot. No POST, no beeps, nothing. It's 2009 and BIOS updates _still_ fsck machines up :( | Aug 19 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | Playing games using sanctions | Aug 19 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Join us or we -invade- you SpreadDemocracy | Aug 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Or... we'll use financial strangulations so that you cave to our Big Corporations | Aug 19 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | don't update the BIOS unless you know it fixes a problem you *are* experiencing | Aug 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Think "banana republic" | Aug 19 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | the solid beep tone when you press the power button means that Mr. BIOS is no longer your friend | Aug 19 13:38 |
| MinceR | what countries can be really safe from that? | Aug 19 13:38 |
| cubezzz | no one uses coreboot? :) | Aug 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | But it's WTO that does the strangulations and sanctions | Aug 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz | WIPO is not as aggressive AFAIK | Aug 19 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed they were demonstrating that Coreboot will now boot up Windows 7 | Aug 19 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see any huge pent up demand to run an open source BIOS to boot Windows, but the guy did seem a little eccentric | Aug 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz | People should be up in arms vs these orgs | Aug 19 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I am not the UN, I am not WIPO, I am not George W. Bush | Aug 19 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | now that we have that out of the way, can we play 20 questions? | Aug 19 13:40 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what | Aug 19 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 19 13:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Server 2008/Vista/Vista 7 Code a Disaster, Still http://ping.fm/a9fvc | Aug 19 13:41 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm sorry, I couldn't help but feel that the chatter was somehow directed in my general direction | Aug 19 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Aug 19 13:42 |
| MinceR | it wasn't | Aug 19 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | ""because of this problem, Exchange Server 2007 may stop responding or may encounter index corruption."" | Aug 19 13:43 |
| MinceR | it's just that i had a conversation on a similar topic with a cow orker | Aug 19 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, that sounds familiar | Aug 19 13:43 |
| MinceR | looking for a safe country to move to :) | Aug 19 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | Outlook Express used to trash the database and delete all your emails | Aug 19 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | so what they did to "fix" it? | Aug 19 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | you're going to love this | Aug 19 13:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Plugfest Gets Web Page http://ping.fm/BuSOH | Aug 19 13:44 | |
| DaemonFC | now when you compact the database, it makes a copy of the database, moves the old one to the recycle bin, compacts the database, and if it corrupts it, it will delete that one and restore the one it sent to the recycle bin | Aug 19 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | if it doesn't, it goes ahead and deletes the one it sent to the recycle bin | Aug 19 13:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: come here. There are nuclear warheads | Aug 19 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | from the user's point of view, everything went well no matter what happens | Aug 19 13:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Fight Against Open Document Standards Exposed http://ping.fm/fZrdE | Aug 19 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | In Orwellian terms, safe means "self destructive" | Aug 19 13:46 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: which attract other nuclear warheads | Aug 19 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 19 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | Outlook Express is full of warts like that | Aug 19 13:46 |
| MinceR | and the worst problems with international law aren't only present in the USA, many of them originate there | Aug 19 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Better fight with eggs and words | Aug 19 13:46 |
| MinceR | and come into power before they do elsewhere | Aug 19 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | they did manage to cover up the nastier ones | Aug 19 13:46 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russian, Ballmer pelts audience with eggs | Aug 19 13:46 |
| MinceR | i'd like to avoid that | Aug 19 13:46 |
| MinceR | plus i doubt they'd appreciate my presence anyway | Aug 19 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | didn't that guy miss Ballmer anyway? | Aug 19 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | FAIL | Aug 19 13:47 |
| MinceR | i dare to think for myself (in W's terms, i guess that makes me a "turrist") | Aug 19 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | he should have painted the eggs with Internet Explorer's blue "e" logo | Aug 19 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | for good luck | Aug 19 13:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: here's your chance to outdo him ;) | Aug 19 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | we're never going to hear the end of this, are we? | Aug 19 13:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not the point | Aug 19 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose it doesn't help that I did not vote for him? | Aug 19 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Besides, it was long-range | Aug 19 13:48 |
| schestowitz | ANyone on stage would have to be a klutz to be unable to avoid the eggs | Aug 19 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's why he should have brought more eggs | Aug 19 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | and thrown them in the general direction | Aug 19 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Who, Bush? | Aug 19 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | maximum spread :D | Aug 19 13:49 |
| schestowitz | He was never elected | Aug 19 13:49 |
| schestowitz | He stole the elections | Aug 19 13:49 |
| MinceR | i think he should have used a frag grenade instead | Aug 19 13:49 |
| schestowitz | THen proceeded to more fraud and even murder | Aug 19 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | well, that was obvious | Aug 19 13:50 |
| MinceR | does more damage and the shrapnel is much less likely to miss | Aug 19 13:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: enough of the nonsense | Aug 19 13:50 |
| schestowitz | It was a symbolic thing | Aug 19 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Like glove slap | Aug 19 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer at least knows he's a little devil, I bet | Aug 19 13:50 |
| MinceR | little? | Aug 19 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 19 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but I would have gone all out, one of them would have gotten him | Aug 19 13:50 |
| MinceR | he's a big fat devil | Aug 19 13:50 |
| MinceR | +sweaty | Aug 19 13:51 |
| schestowitz | He's a girly dancer thinking big | Aug 19 13:51 |
| cubezzz | developers developers developers! | Aug 19 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | that video where he has like 12 gallons of sweat caught in his shirt under each armpit | Aug 19 13:51 |
| schestowitz | He hid under the desk like a wuss | Aug 19 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think he could afford some deoderant | Aug 19 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Here in Britain ouir pollies are bolder | Aug 19 13:51 |
| MinceR | he could | Aug 19 13:51 |
| cubezzz | Ballmer couldn't be more funny | Aug 19 13:51 |
| schestowitz | See Prescott for example | Aug 19 13:51 |
| MinceR | but he isn't civilized enough to know what it's for | Aug 19 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | I doubt it | Aug 19 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Deodorants come in many types | Aug 19 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | that guy is such a pig that walking around causes him to sweat profusely | Aug 19 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Some are so simple even a caveman could use them | Aug 19 13:52 |
| MinceR | i prefer the one made of napalm | Aug 19 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | I mean damn, how much worse shape could he be in? | Aug 19 13:52 |
| MinceR | sure, but will the caveman know why it's important to use? | Aug 19 13:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: `stop it, please | Aug 19 13:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: doubtful | Aug 19 13:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dems to GOP: "OK, you people are idiots. Fuck you, we'll do it without you." http://is.gd/2ooah | Aug 19 13:52 | |
| schestowitz | Cavemen could not have showered much, either | Aug 19 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, then you'd be asking him to bathe in their drinking water | Aug 19 13:53 |
| schestowitz | And I don't see orangutans having deodorant treatment from zoo stuff. Neanderthals would be the same | Aug 19 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Even in the middle ages they hardly bathed | Aug 19 13:53 |
| schestowitz | "out with the bathwater..." | Aug 19 13:53 |
| MinceR | the middle ages were a step back though, afaik | Aug 19 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they also died a horrible diarrhea death | Aug 19 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | and declared war on the Muslims in part because they did practice hygeine | Aug 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: sounds like a Microsoft product | Aug 19 13:54 |
| cubezzz | that sounds scary :-0 | Aug 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | " horrible diarrhea death" | Aug 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Does it support MP3 format? | Aug 19 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | Horrible Diarrhea Death 2009 Express Edition | Aug 19 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | no, only WMA | Aug 19 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Damn. | Aug 19 13:55 |
| schestowitz | What utter crap | Aug 19 13:55 |
| MinceR | Horrible Diarrhea Death 2009 Ultimate Enterprise Edition | Aug 19 13:55 |
| schestowitz | I should have gone with "Professional" | Aug 19 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | Mincer: don't forget Plus! for Horrible Diarrhea Death 2009 Ultimate Enterprise Edition | Aug 19 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 19 13:55 |
| MinceR | right | Aug 19 13:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 19 13:55 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft could sell toilet paper and market it as ButtWiper 8.0 | Aug 19 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Diarrhea Death *Home* Edition < call an ambulance | Aug 19 13:56 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no, Apple will still rule this market with iPot | Aug 19 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | the Home editions of their products are too crippled to even consider using, of courset that's the point | Aug 19 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | sell you more than you need at the highest price possible | Aug 19 13:57 |
| schestowitz | "Whaaa??? I can't flush until I upgrade?" | Aug 19 13:57 |
| MinceR | nowadays m$ would give the toilet paper a single-syllable silly name that doesn't relate to anything :> | Aug 19 13:57 |
| cubezzz | gross :) | Aug 19 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Ping | Aug 19 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Flush Tuesdays require a retool | Aug 19 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's jsut like "wiping" only better | Aug 19 13:58 |
| MinceR | Live Splung 2009, the toilet paper | Aug 19 13:59 |
| MinceR | available in 29384 editions | Aug 19 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | you're about to burst and the toilet requires you to call Microsoft and get the 50 character activation code before you can sit down | Aug 19 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 19 13:59 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 19 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | THEN when you're done you realize it's out of toilet paper and you have to use the Bathroom Anytime Upgrade option | Aug 19 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | then it won't flush and you have to get a plumber to work on it for $70 an hour | Aug 19 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | that's a Microsoft bathroom :P | Aug 19 14:01 |
| MinceR | then it backs up and you can't do anything | Aug 19 14:01 |
| MinceR | it gets filled with sewage and all they can tell you is reinstall | Aug 19 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | <in thick Indian accent> Have you tried rebooting the toilet? | Aug 19 14:02 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 19 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh I'm sorry, *after* an hour on hold | Aug 19 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | and paing $29 for the "incident" | Aug 19 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | *paying | Aug 19 14:03 |
| cubezzz | right, I already hated microsoft, but somehow I hate them even more now :) | Aug 19 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | "I see you're using last year's model of toilet, can I transfer you over to Sales while we have you on the line?" | Aug 19 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 19 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, people say Linux has no support options, they've obviously never called Microsoft | Aug 19 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | at least if nobody can answer my Linux question iut didn't charge me to ask | Aug 19 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 19 14:05 |
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| cubezzz | you can get support for Linux | Aug 19 14:05 |
| cubezzz | most of the Linux crowd are pretty good at problem solving, they enjoy it | Aug 19 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | the first time I called Microsoft was when Internet Explorer 4's installer exploded and took out my Windows 95 with the shrapnel | Aug 19 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | I had just bought Office '97 and IE 4 was a mandatory component | Aug 19 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | so I had to reinstall Windows so I could install something I didn't want that was totally unrelated to Office, so that Office would work | Aug 19 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 19 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | Failure is not an option, it's an integrated component. That's IE they're talking about. | Aug 19 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of Paul Thurrott | Aug 19 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | he's also the halfwit that actually suggested using InPrivate as an ad blocking filter | Aug 19 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Quantum Mechanics The Uncertainty Principle Light Particle's < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT7xJ0tjB4A&feature=related > | Aug 19 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/us/politics/19charity.html | Aug 19 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Congressional investigators have uncovered five more letters sent to members of Congress that falsely claimed to be from charities expressing opposition to climate change legislation" | Aug 19 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | moar astroturf! | Aug 19 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Jack Bonner, the lobbying firm’s founder, has said a temporary employee was responsible for the fake letters and has been fired." | Aug 19 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, a temporary employee, hired especially for just such an occassion | Aug 19 14:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Time to fill up the paddling pool. Enough room for me, no room for kids! | Aug 19 14:14 | |
| DaemonFC | notice the astroturfers claimed to be old people | Aug 19 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | probably because nobody takes young adults seriously because they don't think we vote | Aug 19 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | so the elderly get everything they want and we get dumped on | Aug 19 14:16 |
| MinceR | old people like to think that not dying for a given amount of years somehow makes them special | Aug 19 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | I like how the president put it | Aug 19 14:17 |
| MinceR | in today's society survival is not a big deal | Aug 19 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | "these people who say 'I hate government programs, but keep your hands off MY Medicare...'" | Aug 19 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | that's just it, they don't care what happens to other people cause it's not them, they just want me to keep paying all the bills so they can keep taking all the benefits | Aug 19 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | if you even suggest that the federal government is going to set up a program that benefits anyone under 65, the AARP will raise hell | Aug 19 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | my favorite hypocrisy is that they all say "The world doesn't owe you anything just because you're here" as they all take their Social Security and Medicare benefits | Aug 19 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | just for being here | Aug 19 14:21 |
| MinceR | perhaps being here for x years is different in their minds from just being here | Aug 19 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | they'll naturally poinht to the fact that they paid something into those programs, but get mad when you point out that they're taking 10 times as much as they put in and you're the one paying in who will never get any of it back | Aug 19 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there's actually a little-known loophole | Aug 19 14:22 |
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| DaemonFC | if your PARENTS don't request a social security number for you when you're born, you don't have to take part in the system or pay them taxes | Aug 19 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | you get what's called a Taxpayer Identification Number instead that you use to pay your normal percentage of income tax | Aug 19 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | but if your parents opt you into Social Security there's no way to ever get out | Aug 19 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | so because my parents opted me in, it means that it's illegal for me to not pay those taxes | Aug 19 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | the theory is that when I am 67 years old, I get to retire and live off the government (they retire at 65 btw) | Aug 19 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | and the system will be bankrupt before I'm 40 | Aug 19 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | so my parents generation is getting their retirement paid for by taking everything out of my generation's retirement fund as well | Aug 19 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | ponzi schemes only last as long as you can find exponentially more "investors" to cover the last group | Aug 19 14:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More similarities found between Microsoft ("fake letters"), the tobacco industry, and those who destroy the Earth. http://ping.fm/o6C8M | Aug 19 14:29 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, passing debt to grandkids | Aug 19 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Old news | Aug 19 14:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=163550 | Aug 19 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Social Security and Medicare, to my generation, is like working an ox in the field for decades, finally taking the yoke off of it, then saying "Just kidding, here's a heavier yoke!" | Aug 19 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I really don't like old people or their lobbying groups | Aug 19 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | now there's some legalized daylight theft :D | Aug 19 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | even Microsoft would have to bow in awe of how much money people are being cheated out of for nothing in return | Aug 19 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. I never realised how close the Nazis were to obtaining The Bomb before the Americans did | Aug 19 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I've just found out some details about it. Makes me wonder if the Japan bombings were partly used as a warning sign | Aug 19 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they sent their research on a U-boat to Japan | Aug 19 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | and that U-boat was intercepted by the British | Aug 19 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | first sub-to-sub kill with a torpedo iirc | Aug 19 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | the initial german bomb designs were pretty bad really, they relied completely on deuterium oxide (heavy water), which wasn't abundantly available to them | Aug 19 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | I believe the only facility they had that could produce significant amounts of it was in Poland | Aug 19 14:51 |
| heh, the Nazis did not know boron in their carbon was a neutron poison. | Aug 19 15:08 | |
| Like the Visible Technologies expose. Very nice research. | Aug 19 15:08 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Aug 19 15:08 |
| Omar87 | okay guys. It seems like Facebook just blocked me out. | Aug 19 15:09 |
| Perhaps Visible Technologies is where Slashdot death threats come from. | Aug 19 15:09 | |
| Facebook fails again? Look for the botnet. | Aug 19 15:09 | |
| Omar87 | Blocked me out as in I'm no longer able to access the website. As in they blocked my IP out. | Aug 19 15:10 |
| Facebook or your ISP? | Aug 19 15:10 | |
| Omar87 | twitter: What botnet? | Aug 19 15:10 |
| Omar87 | Facebook, I guess. | Aug 19 15:10 |
| The last time I heard of Facebook failing, it was a DDoS attack. | Aug 19 15:10 | |
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| Omar87 | Everytime I try to access it, I get the message: Firefox can't find the server at www.facebook.com. | Aug 19 15:11 |
| can you ping it? | Aug 19 15:12 | |
| Omar87 | Not even lynx, wget or even pinging work. | Aug 19 15:12 |
| Omar87 | No | Aug 19 15:12 |
| try 69.63.184.142 | Aug 19 15:12 | |
| Omar87 | Could be because I recently posted a status insulting Zuckerberg and nagging about facebook being such of bloated bug factory that doesn't even respect its users' privacy. | Aug 19 15:13 |
| Omar87 | ? | Aug 19 15:13 |
| Omar87 | being such * a * bloated bug factory. | Aug 19 15:14 |
| *schestowitz watches http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Biology/7-012Fall-2004/VideoLectures/detail/embed08.htm | Aug 19 15:20 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: that would lead to account-level response | Aug 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Not IP ban | Aug 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe downtime/botnet | Aug 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Unless the USians had Facebooks do what the did with Microsoft | Aug 19 15:22 |
| Omar87 | maybe, not sure | Aug 19 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Like sanctions against Syria where MSN Messenger gets shut down | Aug 19 15:22 |
| Omar87 | but I'm not in Syria. | Aug 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Iran blocks FB or something too | Aug 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I know | Aug 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just a downtime | Aug 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like it | Aug 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | They have many localised servers | Aug 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | liike uk.facebook.whatever | Aug 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | By the way, you're right. | Aug 19 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "Facebook being such of bloated bug factory that doesn't even respect its users' privacy." | Aug 19 15:24 |
| schestowitz | They just got sued | Aug 19 15:24 |
| schestowitz | I saw an article yesterday | Aug 19 15:24 |
| Omar87 | yeah | Aug 19 15:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Woot. Acer Aspire Revo now mounted on the back of the telly. Nicely out of the way. | Aug 19 15:25 | |
| Will_ | Microsoft got hit by a few more patent suits: | Aug 19 15:27 |
| Will_ | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2351761,00.asp | Aug 19 15:27 |
| Will_ | * gets out violin, starts playing sad tune. | Aug 19 15:28 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz that would be AdTI, AdTI and AdTI then? | Aug 19 15:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] When Does ‘News’ Qualify as Shameless Microsoft PR? http://ping.fm/UMuWY | Aug 19 15:31 | |
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| Will_ | Word is 'to big to fail'? Ugh. I've heard that phrase way too much over the last year. | Aug 19 15:40 |
| Will_ | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/170076/5_reasons_word_will_weather_the_patent_challenge.html | Aug 19 15:40 |
| Will_ | We need to educate people about alternatives. I haven't even had MS Office loaded on a machine I use for almost 2 years. | Aug 19 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | Good day for Microsoft... "Eye on Microsoft: Windows Mobile Failure, Server 2008/Vista Failure, and Vista 7 Failure by Design" http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/19/vista-7-failure-by-design/ | Aug 19 15:43 |
| Will_ | What can Word do that OpenOffice/Lotus Symphony, Scribus, or LaTeX (depending on your project's needs) can't? | Aug 19 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Not Lotus | Aug 19 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Keep people out of this junk | Aug 19 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Abiword for the minimalists | Aug 19 15:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : yes, the GWB of science. http://ping.fm/9QZJ3 | Aug 19 15:45 | |
| schestowitz | KOffice is good too | Aug 19 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Kword is light, fast, good for KDE users | Aug 19 15:46 |
| Will_ | eh. ok. Haven't used Lotus. Was just giving it the benefit of the doubt. | Aug 19 15:46 |
| schestowitz | LyX is good for the scientific writers | Aug 19 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Will_: there is more than one suit ready to hit Microsoft | Aug 19 15:46 |
| Will_ | I don't care for LyX. I prefer Kile+LaTeX. | Aug 19 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Another major one to be decided very soon | Aug 19 15:47 |
| schestowitz | I can give the details if you want | Aug 19 15:47 |
| schestowitz | I just hurry catching up with new posts though | Aug 19 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Kile is good too | Aug 19 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Or raw latex. i do both | Aug 19 15:47 |
| schestowitz | I grew up on LyX, since 8 years ago or more | Aug 19 15:47 |
| Will_ | And Emacs has that cool auctex embedded preview thing. If it had the same kind of IDE-like project management that Kile has (useful when you are working with multiple files), I might use it more. | Aug 19 15:49 |
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| Will_ | Is it just me, or is the shill brigade being uncharasteristically quiet about the i4i stuff? | Aug 19 15:49 |
| Will_ | There was the initial FUD about ODF being vulnerable too, shot down by i4i themselves, and now almost nothing. | Aug 19 15:50 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Is Chrome OS Too Orwellian Or Big Brother-ish? http://bit.ly/VJHjP | Aug 19 15:50 | |
| Will_ | In any case, October should be an interesting month. | Aug 19 15:52 |
| Will_ | schestowitz : Well, here's one product that probably won't be bowing down to the mighty Emballmer of Netbooks: | Aug 19 15:56 |
| Will_ | http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=76 | Aug 19 15:56 |
| Will_ | note the screen size and customization options. | Aug 19 15:57 |
| Will_ | but then the price is a bit of a problem there. | Aug 19 15:58 |
| Will_ | I guess we just wait for ARM | Aug 19 15:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] How do we report twitter spammers? @billy_boyyy clearly is one. | Aug 19 16:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ODF Progress Made, OOXML Still Ruled Illegal in the United States http://ping.fm/ZPq4n | Aug 19 16:40 | |
| wallclimber | good morning | Aug 19 16:44 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: you here? | Aug 19 16:58 |
| Balrog | So I stuck Win7 in a vbox VM a few days ago | Aug 19 16:58 |
| Balrog | certainly a lot better than Vista | Aug 19 16:58 |
| Balrog | but I can't say much; a real test requires six months of heavy use, or more | Aug 19 16:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Chromium already has primitive "Stats for Nerds" yay!! :) | Aug 19 17:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Moonlight and Mono Lack Demand http://ping.fm/quLBO | Aug 19 17:26 | |
| schestowitz | Asustek is the most reliable PC < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529508/asustek-reliable-pc > | Aug 19 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Hewlett-Packard profit down 19% on weak sales of PCs, printing supplies < http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-earns19-2009aug19,0,3557194.story >. No sympathy for them..... they are helping other monopolists | Aug 19 17:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why is the MSBBC advertising PowerPoint? http://ping.fm/qQvyc | Aug 19 17:35 | |
| schestowitz | The FSF is organising a "Windows7" Campaign | Aug 19 17:36 |
| schestowitz | I remembered seeing something about it a few months ago | Aug 19 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Their Director wants me to advise on something :-) | Aug 19 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Ads body cuts off Skype ad after pic quality complaints < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/19/skype_asa/ > | Aug 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | There's some new Microsoft PR from the Technologiser, whose Webmaster received a laptop from Microsoft | Aug 19 17:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] japanese mankini tv pair http://is.gd/2oByU who are these guys, what is the show etc? | Aug 19 18:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz how can you say that? the world is in deep need of yet another media player and a really, really slow note-taking app! | Aug 19 18:03 | |
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| _Hicham_ | the world needs banshee | Aug 19 18:07 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz uses banshee fulltime as his preferred media player | Aug 19 18:07 |
| yuhong | Google's response to Bing, Google Caffeine, don't seem to be covered on BN. | Aug 19 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://windows7sins.org/signup "401 Authorization Required" | Aug 19 18:12 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yes | Aug 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Caffeine seems like ype | Aug 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | It's also proprietary software | Aug 19 18:14 |
| yuhong | But, so is Bing, and Google search itself. | Aug 19 18:14 |
| yuhong | http://www2.sandbox.google.com if you want to play with it. | Aug 19 18:15 |
| yuhong | But considering that you don't like Bing, I am suprised that you didn't cover Google's response to it. | Aug 19 18:16 |
| yuhong | Here is a review: | Aug 19 18:18 |
| yuhong | http://mashable.com/2009/08/10/google-caffeine/ | Aug 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather spent time advocating soemthing like WIkia | Aug 19 18:19 |
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| _Hicham_ | BN is down again ? | Aug 19 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Seems so | Aug 19 18:49 |
| _Hicham_ | is is a ddos ? | Aug 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Don't know | Aug 19 18:51 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: wiki is up | Aug 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm..... | Aug 19 18:54 |
| Balrog | wordpress seems to have some caching issue | Aug 19 18:55 |
| Balrog | Couldn't write to: /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/cache/wp-cache-102b43aeb54ca905667d2bbfd10e2e3f.html | Aug 19 18:55 |
| Balrog | or permissions | Aug 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I was just writing to FSF Director and couldn't get the refs | Aug 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: hold in | Aug 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | It has just rebooted | Aug 19 18:55 |
| Balrog | okk. | Aug 19 18:55 |
| Balrog | ahh. | Aug 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I'l flush cache | Aug 19 18:56 |
| Balrog | okk. | Aug 19 18:56 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: I think a whole bunch of machines at the datacenter just rebooted. Possibly a power issue. I'm looking into it. | Aug 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Ahhhh... :-) | Aug 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | So it's not me | Aug 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Nor "us" | Aug 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks a LOT! | Aug 19 18:59 |
| tessier | grr...I hate it when stuff like this happens. | Aug 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Nothing is 100% bullet proof | Aug 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Except Wall Street, which runs Red Hat | Aug 19 18:59 |
| tessier | This stuff needs to get a lot closer to it though. | Aug 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | LSE fell twice in the past year... and now they dump .NET/Windows | Aug 19 19:00 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: works now | Aug 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: can you keep an eye on it while you read and report errors, if any? | Aug 19 19:05 |
| schestowitz | The caching works OK now | Aug 19 19:05 |
| Balrog | while I read ;) | Aug 19 19:05 |
| Balrog | I have other stuff to do :( | Aug 19 19:05 |
| schestowitz | tessier: it all works as before now. Was down for less than 1/2 hour, I think | Aug 19 19:05 |
| schestowitz | The FSF's Brown was just trying to make use our information | Aug 19 19:06 |
| schestowitz | They also wage a campaign re OLPC | Aug 19 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: sure, since you seem active on IRC, that's all | Aug 19 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Other I'd assume would say nothing in IRC or not be on IRC at all | Aug 19 19:06 |
| Balrog | ahh ok :) | Aug 19 19:07 |
| Balrog | I'll be in and out | Aug 19 19:07 |
| tessier | Wow | Aug 19 19:07 |
| tessier | The WHOLE FREAKING 80,000 SQUARE FOOT datacenter went down! | Aug 19 19:08 |
| tessier | Well, glad it wasn't me. I was pretty sure my stuff was solid now. | Aug 19 19:08 |
| Balrog | wtf!? | Aug 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | tessier: do they know why? | Aug 19 19:08 |
| *schestowitz just curious | Aug 19 19:08 | |
| tessier | Not sure yet. My sales rep will call me back as soon as he is done getting his ass chewed out by everyone else in line in front of me. | Aug 19 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I bet some very big sites were affected too and maybe very negatively affected by a shortage, esp. transaction-type things | Aug 19 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Oh, yeah.. and sales. THink how many people were 'lost' while making transaction$$ | Aug 19 19:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&ei=2kGMSuavHZTajQf0iLnlCw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=myspace+outage+data+center&spell=1 | Aug 19 19:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : It's a little late for an apology to Alan Turing < http://bit.ly/dEIT5 > | Aug 19 19:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple HypePhones are exploding, apparently. http://ping.fm/eWth9 | Aug 19 19:26 | |
| schestowitz | Charity sues government for details of Afghanistan rendition case < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/17/reprieve-sues-government-afghanistan-rendition > | Aug 19 19:29 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Aug 19 19:40 |
| Omar87 | Guys, what do you think is the most recommended Linux distro for a Python programmer? | Aug 19 19:41 |
| Omar87 | I keep having this urge to try Arch Linux. Any recommendations? | Aug 19 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Debian? | Aug 19 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Identity Theft is not a crime < http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/01/identity-theft-is-not-crime.html > | Aug 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: http://techdirt.com/articles/20090818/1838315920.shtml (New Lawsuit Against Facebook From People Who Just Don't Like Facebook) | Aug 19 19:53 |
| schestowitz | "I usually attempt to think of an intelligent reply to an ignorant article but there is no way to answer blatant stupidity.' http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-19-008-35-OS-DT-0000 | Aug 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-19-008-35-OS-DT-0001 "What is this clown talking about, I've numerous Linux machines, one running Ubuntu 9.04 and the other's Mandriva 2009.1, nothing unstable about any of them." | Aug 19 19:55 |
| link to blatant stupidity is broken? | Aug 19 19:59 | |
| no, there it is. | Aug 19 19:59 | |
| they just want my name, address, subject and color of my cat to contribute. | Aug 19 20:00 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Okay, I know you might have read this article already probably hours ago, but I'll post it nevertheless. M$ and it's entire M$ Office project are now seriously, in deep..deep..deep..deep... s%&t.. http://blogs.computerworld.com/14559/no_easy_fix_for_word_legal_woes | Aug 19 20:00 |
| They also want to sell me IE8, a Dell, internet.com and other things. Figures a site advertising IE 8 would be really dumb. | Aug 19 20:01 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: I don't link to the article directly | Aug 19 20:05 |
| schestowitz | It's Disinformation Week | Aug 19 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, bad PR gaffe too | Aug 19 20:06 |
| Good thing. The article really is idiotic. Looks like it came from LinuxToday, but now I see | Aug 19 20:06 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tried to keep silent about it | Aug 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I knew about i4i around April | Aug 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | They accused Microsoft of serious henious offences | Aug 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Not Microsoft is fined for trial misconduct | Aug 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | And 'stealing' from i4i | Aug 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Many reactions to that 'article' were negative | Aug 19 20:07 |
| schestowitz | InfoWeek published one article from the same auhtor last week | Aug 19 20:07 |
| I like how PJ has pointed out that they knew about this while they were corrupting ISO. | Aug 19 20:07 | |
| schestowitz | Titled "is Linux Irrelevant?" | Aug 19 20:07 |
| schestowitz | They also issued a press release to promote the article | Aug 19 20:08 |
| schestowitz | May Information Week die peacefully | Aug 19 20:08 |
| Omar87 | twitter: Which article is idiotic? | Aug 19 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Omar87:I don't want to feed it | Aug 19 20:08 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-19-008-35-OS-DT | Aug 19 20:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: feed what? | Aug 19 20:09 |
| schestowitz | see above | Aug 19 20:09 |
| With people like Serdar Yegulalp writing articles for them, they will die quickly. | Aug 19 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | It's the whole "ready for the desktop" meme/theme | Aug 19 20:09 |
| 1998 called and wants it's FUD back. | Aug 19 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | Yegulalp writes OK stuff sometimes | Aug 19 20:09 |
| schestowitz | He's not all bad | Aug 19 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he's short of matrial | Aug 19 20:10 |
| Someone send him a EEE PC so he can shut up. | Aug 19 20:10 | |
| or write something useful. | Aug 19 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | He was a Windows journalist | Aug 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | For many years | Aug 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | He came to Linux some years ago | Aug 19 20:10 |
| schestowitz | But as I said, he's not all bad at all | Aug 19 20:10 |
| Millions of people are happily running GNU/Linux. Why can't so called journalists? | Aug 19 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | I don'\t attack him | Aug 19 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather address his misunderstanding | Aug 19 20:11 |
| Like I said. Send him a EEE PC. | Aug 19 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | When something just works, there's not much to write | Aug 19 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Also, there's not much attention to gain unless there's an event | Aug 19 20:11 |
| Of course there's a reason to write. People like good news too. | Aug 19 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | I don't spend time writing about things that work | Aug 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Others are the same | Aug 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Like Lessig... | Aug 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | RMS.. | Aug 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Mostly looking for the broken things | Aug 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Trying to fix what needs fixing | Aug 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Never resting on one's laurels | Aug 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | So people who wrtie about Linux are sometimes the same | Aug 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | They look for something they can break | Aug 19 20:12 |
| not true. RMS has spent a lot of time telling people about software freedom. It was a constructive exercise | Aug 19 20:13 | |
| schestowitz | Or make a big fuss over events like Reiser | Aug 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | As if one among millions of FOSS devs is worthy of generalisation | Aug 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | twitter: not in his blog | Aug 19 20:13 |
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| Tech journalist could write about the growing desktop share Linux is taking up, instead of regurgitating Garner and Forrested data. | Aug 19 20:14 | |
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| neighborlee | hmm,,oh the irony ,that ( not that Im depending ON this format, but atm it might be a easy way to do things ) I need to use ocular in kde ( yay kde!) to view my XPS documents, when it wont work in vista :)) | Aug 19 20:15 |
| neighborlee | ooooooooh the irony | Aug 19 20:15 |
| neighborlee | the gift that just keeps giving | Aug 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | I get many headline like this in my reader: http://www.zimeye.org/?p=8114 | Aug 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | twitter: but only Gartner word is seen as 'permissible; | Aug 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | The other is called "crackpot" | Aug 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | You know, like that bouncing crackpot who shows linux surpassing OS X. You know, he;s Microsoft's CEO that dude... | Aug 19 20:16 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: XPS???? | Aug 19 20:17 |
| schestowitz | In Linux?? | Aug 19 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Here goes another flamebaiter with FUD: http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/will-desktop-linux-ever-grow-911 | Aug 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | New Ubuntu Installer Coming Soon http://news.softpedia.com/news/New-Ubuntu-Installer-Coming-Soon-119569.shtml | Aug 19 20:18 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: you got it | Aug 19 20:18 |
| neighborlee | via ocular << | Aug 19 20:19 |
| neighborlee | its ONE way I can move AWAY from msaccess97 TO something in linux | Aug 19 20:19 |
| neighborlee | oh the irony ;)) | Aug 19 20:19 |
| neighborlee | xps is a exporter format FROM msaccess 987 | Aug 19 20:19 |
| neighborlee | 97 | Aug 19 20:19 |
| neighborlee | but while the exe exists for vista..it doesn't work..it wont start | Aug 19 20:19 |
| neighborlee | again..oh the irony ;)) | Aug 19 20:19 |
| neighborlee | heh | Aug 19 20:20 |
| neighborlee | MS got some heat over using xps instead of like pdf too | Aug 19 20:20 |
| neighborlee | here I show you | Aug 19 20:20 |
| neighborlee | http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsxps/thread/c4b93f0f-1a40-4fd8-97f2-e76d44c2a505 | Aug 19 20:20 |
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| neighborlee | intereting anyway, if not terribly exciting | Aug 19 20:23 |
| neighborlee | interesting | Aug 19 20:23 |
| Omar87 | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27021/53/1/0/ | Aug 19 20:24 |
| Omar87 | That was a new update to M$ Word lawsuit. | Aug 19 20:25 |
| Omar87 | M$ is in huge trouble now. | Aug 19 20:25 |
| neighborlee | as if ;) | Aug 19 20:25 |
| neighborlee | couldn't happen to a nicer bunch | Aug 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Sort of | Aug 19 20:25 |
| neighborlee | o_0 | Aug 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Bad PR | Aug 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | For starters | Aug 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | i4i will be able to tell others what an unethical company Microsoft really is | Aug 19 20:25 |
| neighborlee | I feel sorry for its employees though of course...I mean... | Aug 19 20:26 |
| Omar87 | Man.. If Microsoft stops selling MS-Office by mid October...... | Aug 19 20:26 |
| neighborlee | maybe they can all find better jobs in clean enery or finding sollutions for plagues or something | Aug 19 20:26 |
| neighborlee | OR they might concentrate on x box development I guess SHRUG ;) | Aug 19 20:26 |
| Omar87 | lol | Aug 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cheaplaptops.org.uk/20090814/dell-refutes-microsoft-claims-on-returned-linux-netbooks/ | Aug 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | For that Dell deserves some kudos | Aug 19 20:27 |
| Omar87 | XBox, it should be called "BloatBox", lol. :) | Aug 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | BurnBox | Aug 19 20:27 |
| neighborlee | Omar87: hehe | Aug 19 20:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oh dear. Watching Location^3 on C4. Crackpot woman who wants to use divining over a map to decide their new house location. Aaaarghh! | Aug 19 20:27 | |
| Omar87 | neighborlee: :) | Aug 19 20:28 |
| schestowitz | http://slated.org/microsoft_kills_baby | Aug 19 20:28 |
| neighborlee | Omar87: I had one...months ago..I mean It was cheapER than ps3 by long shot..BUT newsflash to myself back then was finding out how much the internet plugon thing was at $100,,for that price I got a ps3 instead and can go bluray if I wish ;)) | Aug 19 20:28 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: If you read the link I just posted, especially page 2, you will find an evidence on how MS was truly intending to bury i4i and their products through stealing. | Aug 19 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Fixed. Done. http://www.h-online.com/security/Linux-kernel-vulnerability-fixes-Update-2--/news/114021 ( Linux kernel vulnerability fixes - Update 2) | Aug 19 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, I knew it since May | Aug 19 20:30 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: QUOTE: [The opinion quotes an email message from one a Microsoft developer: "we saw [i4i’s products] some time ago and met its creators. Word 11 will make it obsolete."] | Aug 19 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/31/ms-patents-discovery-misconduct/ | Aug 19 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/24/microsoft-innovation-primer/ | Aug 19 20:31 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: What kind of competition is this? | Aug 19 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Both i4i^^^ | Aug 19 20:31 |
| schestowitz | It's Microsoft competition | Aug 19 20:32 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Can't i4i basically do the same to MS by stealing part of their code to make MS Word obsolete? :D | Aug 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "We're the good guys!" --Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Aug 19 20:33 |
| neighborlee | lol | Aug 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: would cost a lot in terms of lawyers | Aug 19 20:33 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: So how is stealing someone's code to make his product obsolete anywhere near smart? :D | Aug 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Ask not me | Aug 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Can Linux teach Windows 7 and thing or two? < http://www.cheaplaptops.org.uk/20090818/can-linux-teach-windows-7-and-thing-or-two/ > | Aug 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | A campaign against Vista 7 is about the launch | Aug 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Use your blog to promote it | Aug 19 20:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I know. Money does buy everything ya know. Who knows what might happen tomorrow? Maybe MS would just bribe here, and bribe there, bribe bribe bribe, and all of a sudden you stop hearing anything about the case anymore. | Aug 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Yes, speaking bribes... | Aug 19 20:36 |
| schestowitz | I have a special little post about Microsoft. | Aug 19 20:37 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone agreed to help me getting those 80 pages into text from the PDFs | Aug 19 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Don't know if he'll do it.. | Aug 19 20:37 |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/-nY9qih8op8/barney-frank-pwns-cr.html | Aug 19 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Wireless media players for your home < http://www.livemint.com/2009/08/18231140/Wireless-media-players-for-you.html?h=B > | Aug 19 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | as much as I hate barney frank, bwahahahaha good for him | Aug 19 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: DUDE | Aug 19 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | guess what | Aug 19 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | someone accused me of being your pupped yesterday | Aug 19 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | you missed it | Aug 19 20:39 |
| schestowitz | WHo? | Aug 19 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Novell employees? | Aug 19 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, some douche that came in here | Aug 19 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Some are doing this while masked, some not | Aug 19 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Oh.. | Aug 19 20:40 |
| schestowitz | When I was alseep there was some troll here | Aug 19 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Stalker | Aug 19 20:40 |
| schestowitz | PS3 Slim doesn't do Linux < http://www.h-online.com/open/PS3-Slim-doesn-t-do-Linux--/news/114033 > | Aug 19 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | check your locks for wizzer | Aug 19 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | he wasnt even a good troll | Aug 19 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I defused all his arguments and he got pissed | Aug 19 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Aug 19 20:41 |
| schestowitz | There are stalkers spreading lies. The worst one can do is engage with them. They want attention. | Aug 19 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Let's see his IP | Aug 19 20:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was hidden behind a freenode mask | Aug 19 20:42 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: the guy was a fucking moron | Aug 19 20:45 |
| schestowitz | 182e557a -> "ool-182f557a.dyn.optonline.net" | Aug 19 20:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was lol | Aug 19 20:45 |
| schestowitz | WHich country if this? | Aug 19 20:45 |
| schestowitz | it's in hexadecimal, 24.47.85.122 | Aug 19 20:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | optonline is cablevision's cable internet | Aug 19 20:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're in ny, nj, ct, and penn | Aug 19 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Just some Yank.. http://www.optimum.net/optonline | Aug 19 20:46 |
| schestowitz | To be expected | Aug 19 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | the guy wasnt a shill though | Aug 19 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Too far to come to doorsteps. | Aug 19 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | he was just some 14 year old virgin | Aug 19 20:47 |
| schestowitz | 14 y-o virgin is normal | Aug 19 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he was 41 | Aug 19 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Anyway | Aug 19 20:47 |
| schestowitz | ... | Aug 19 20:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | read the log, it should be in your logs | Aug 19 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Let's move on from distractions and snears | Aug 19 20:48 |
| schestowitz | I saw some URL, I won't click on it | Aug 19 20:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | he claimed desktop computing is a large market | Aug 19 20:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | lolol | Aug 19 20:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually you should read the URL | Aug 19 20:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not bad | Aug 19 20:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | though the guy gets it kinda wrong | Aug 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Fabrications are always bad | Aug 19 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not a fabrication | Aug 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I saw this stalker showing up in other forums to stalk | Aug 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | And taking quotes out of context deliberately | Aug 19 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just the guy gets stuff a little wrong | Aug 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | It's like some anti-politiciains who go about dissecting s* | Aug 19 20:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | he puts the pieces together wrong | Aug 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Like the "lipstick on a pig remark" | Aug 19 20:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, stop doing that | Aug 19 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I've just viewed that URL via Google cache | Aug 19 20:51 |
| schestowitz | So basically is claims FRAUDULENTLY that I'm connected to that NastyMicrosoft idiot | Aug 19 20:51 |
| schestowitz | That guy with a Swastika on a Windows log | Aug 19 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | learn to use your words, schestowitz | Aug 19 20:51 |
| schestowitz | *logo | Aug 19 20:51 |
| schestowitz | No, thanls. | Aug 19 20:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #Wikimedia blog: Associated Press: web news strategy as SEO comedy. http://is.gd/2oKXC #wikipedia | Aug 19 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | Watse of time | Aug 19 20:51 |
| schestowitz | I wait until they once again try to compare me to Unabomber | Aug 19 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant claim someone claims something fraudulently | Aug 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | That was hilarious | Aug 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It came also from a Technical Evangelist from Microsoft | Aug 19 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can only state they claim it | Aug 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | "Not supporting Microsoft" = Unabomber | Aug 19 20:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | like I said, he puts the pieces together wrong | Aug 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Waste of time | Aug 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | For the stalker and for me to bother reading | Aug 19 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Some people write theses on science | Aug 19 20:53 |
| schestowitz | This chap does the equivalent of 'UFO' exploration | Aug 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVaR73fw1QM | Aug 19 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/08/19/alternative-oss-to-beef-up-the-samsung-n310/ "While it might not have the same public wide appeal as Windows," Wide appeal?? Vista? | Aug 19 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Hey, _Hicham_ | Aug 19 21:00 |
| _Hicham_ | hey schestowitz | Aug 19 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Did you hear the news about Mono and Moonlight? | Aug 19 21:01 |
| _Hicham_ | glad that BN is up again | Aug 19 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Yes, datacentre issues. I wrote about Monolight [sic]. They are kept at bay, which is good. | Aug 19 21:01 |
| schestowitz | More good news: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10312379-92.html | Aug 19 21:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you have an rss reader, right? | Aug 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Thunderbrowse | Aug 19 21:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | add my blog yet? | Aug 19 21:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Let's help promote Wikia. It is doing well for everyone. http://ping.fm/fYKOp | Aug 19 21:06 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : is HP evil ? | Aug 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: not yet. Can't remember URL | Aug 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they help Microsoft a lot | Aug 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | More than Dell even. A lot more. | Aug 19 21:09 |
| schestowitz | They also prefer SLE* (Microsoft tax) | Aug 19 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://adterrasperaspera.com/ | Aug 19 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : they help Debian a lot also | Aug 19 21:09 |
| schestowitz | H-P also is malicius. | Aug 19 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Let me get URLs | Aug 19 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | they contribute to linux kernel | Aug 19 21:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20060911123037349 | Aug 19 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | they have given a unified driver of all their printers on linux | Aug 19 21:09 |
| _Hicham_ | long time ago | Aug 19 21:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20060909124147658 | Aug 19 21:10 |
| _Hicham_ | so any HP printer can work with Linux | Aug 19 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes, a file system too | Aug 19 21:10 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: good for them | Aug 19 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Helps them make more sales | Aug 19 21:10 |
| fewa | o yeah HP printers always work | Aug 19 21:12 |
| _Hicham_ | that is a plus for linux | Aug 19 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's Emergency Motion for a Stay Repeats Arguments Already Rejected by District Court < http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090819083920659 > | Aug 19 21:13 |
| _Hicham_ | whereas other brands do not care about Linux at all | Aug 19 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, you're behind on the citrix <-> microsoft connection | Aug 19 21:16 |
| fewa | I only use HP so i have never had problems with printers | Aug 19 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Has Microsoft bought Citrix yet? | Aug 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | HP made a Ubuntu derivative for netbooks. WHat ever came out of it? | Aug 19 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Did Microsoft pay and kiss enough to sabotage it? Cause in its SEC filing Microsoft complained about HP and Intel | Aug 19 21:25 |
| fewa | They ship it on every one of the Linux netbooks | Aug 19 21:25 |
| schestowitz | fewa: OK | Aug 19 21:26 |
| fewa | and It's showing is equal to the XP netbooks | Aug 19 21:26 |
| fewa | on their web site | Aug 19 21:26 |
| fewa | Its called the "Mi" edition | Aug 19 21:26 |
| fewa | for Mobile Internet | Aug 19 21:26 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: http://www.packtpub.com/character-head-modeling-in-blender-part2?utm_source=lxer&utm_medium=article&utm_content=news&utm_campaign=mdb_000283 | Aug 19 21:27 |
| _Hicham_ | companies are not that evil | Aug 19 21:27 |
| _Hicham_ | all what they want is money | Aug 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | But there are rules | Aug 19 21:27 |
| _Hicham_ | and FOSS is not against getting a lot of money | Aug 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | If I wanted money, could I throw stones at an old lady with a purse? | Aug 19 21:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @tweetmeme Updated Study Reveals More Developers Working on Linux Kernel http://bit.ly/CMmnB | Aug 19 21:27 | |
| _Hicham_ | RMS says : you should be rich to be considered as free FOSS activist | Aug 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Market has rules to maximise benefit to society | Aug 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And minise friction | Aug 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Like degradation of rights (DRM, spying etc) | Aug 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Patent are nonsense | Aug 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | They were made for good cause | Aug 19 21:28 |
| _Hicham_ | that is because the users do not protest | Aug 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Now they are mostly evil, making products worse for _everyone_ | Aug 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: cauise they are brainwashed. Stupid users= good consumers | Aug 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | "Why should I care if I must buy Windows on any new PC.........?" | Aug 19 21:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Woot, another benefit to being an Ubuntu member https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeopleUbuntuCom | Aug 19 21:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz the other proposal is turing on the next 20 pound note. THAT would be way cool. | Aug 19 21:29 | |
| _Hicham_ | users do not know that they pay for windows | Aug 19 21:30 |
| _Hicham_ | $100 at least | Aug 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Ewwwwww.... http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=124459 | Aug 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Novell at the top | Aug 19 21:30 |
| _Hicham_ | they just want to buy a laptop | Aug 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | As though Novell is a Linux authority | Aug 19 21:30 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the duty of linux vendors to do arrangements with OEMS | Aug 19 21:30 |
| _Hicham_ | Novell is not a Linux authority | Aug 19 21:31 |
| _Hicham_ | they contribute to kernel, yes | Aug 19 21:31 |
| _Hicham_ | but they are not a Linux authority | Aug 19 21:31 |
| _Hicham_ | they have the best linux kernel maintainer | Aug 19 21:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard no way, he's a scientist. Notes accept only people with Crowns or God/s. "In God we Trust(tm)" | Aug 19 21:31 | |
| _Hicham_ | Greg Kroah-Hartman | Aug 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Jono brought home the bacon from IDG's expo... http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/OpenSourceWorld-Report | Aug 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, linus | Aug 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | And Cox maybe. Not idea what post-tty he's like | Aug 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | And Tso is with IBM | Aug 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | He's CTO of LF | Aug 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Marcus Rex from Novell used to be CTO | Aug 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Canonical can offer Greg k-h a job :-p no way.... | Aug 19 21:34 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : if he was to be offered another job, it would be RedHat | Aug 19 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | but he is too attached to SuSE | Aug 19 21:35 |
| _Hicham_ | he is the one who started openSUSE project | Aug 19 21:35 |
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| jono | schestowitz, :) | Aug 19 21:37 |
| _Hicham_ | but don't worry schestowitz, SuSE will be ours, sooner or later | Aug 19 21:37 |
| jono | schestowitz, did you Twitter that? | Aug 19 21:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] why working with the GOP is futile: they give people like this airtime http://is.gd/2oNYP | Aug 19 21:37 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, wallclimber | Aug 19 21:41 |
| wallclimber | Hi! (I'm writing you an email) | Aug 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I missed you earlier when I was busy writing something and put aside IRC | Aug 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: private? | Aug 19 21:42 |
| wallclimber | yes | Aug 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: not really | Aug 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Other guys did AFAIK | Aug 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | jono: no, not yet | Aug 19 21:42 |
| schestowitz | But Greg burned that bridge. Twice. | Aug 19 21:43 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: got it | Aug 19 21:43 |
| wallclimber | :) | Aug 19 21:43 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: "The company S.u.S.E. was founded on 2 September 1992 in Nuremberg, Germany, by four people: Roland Dyroff, Thomas Fehr, Burchard Steinbild and Hubert Mantel" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_distributions | Aug 19 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Search for "Greg" | Aug 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Match not found. | Aug 19 21:44 |
| benJIman | schestowitz: Will you be attending the openSUSE conference? | Aug 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: no, sorry | Aug 19 21:44 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : Greg started openSUSE, not SuSE | Aug 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I see why it's private. Private life | Aug 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | People love intruding into lives | Aug 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | It's source of dirt of all sorts, even if made up | Aug 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: same thing | Aug 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | PR thing | Aug 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Free<Project_name> | Aug 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | <Project_name>Free* | Aug 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Open<Project_name> | Aug 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | <Project_name>Open* | Aug 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | OSS companies use the word "source" too | Aug 19 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | does the name hairyfeet mean anything? | Aug 19 21:46 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : I am gonna start openBN | Aug 19 21:46 |
| _Hicham_ | as BN is considered non free by many | Aug 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | SpringSource, SourceForge, SourceFire | Aug 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | SCOSource | Aug 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's a troll | Aug 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | He intruded LinuxToday | Aug 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | And he's in /,. | Aug 19 21:47 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh | Aug 19 21:47 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I saw him in /. | Aug 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Spreading anti-Linux while pretending to eb reasonable | Aug 19 21:48 |
| ThistleWeb | I thought he was one of the wiki peeps | Aug 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | ECT quotes it | Aug 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | He's a real gentleman | Aug 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Takes himself seriously | Aug 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | "hairy feet"... We GOT to employ that man! | Aug 19 21:48 |
| ThistleWeb | only after doing an AC post responding to that, I checked wikipedia and found no sign of him, but I knew I'd seen him as a MS shill somewhere | Aug 19 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | I couldn't find where though | Aug 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Thre's another one | Aug 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | "dinkypoo" IIRC | Aug 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the same person | Aug 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | “Clients pick an “author” or opt for anonymity. Visible [Technologies] also has a virtual army — thousands of personas registered with online forums.” | Aug 19 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | he was on /. trying to blame east texas for having a patent troll freindly place | Aug 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/19/visible-technologies-funded-by-ignition/ | Aug 19 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | as the reason why MS were the victims | Aug 19 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft should quit the software biz | Aug 19 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | no mention of MS's bad patents | Aug 19 21:51 |
| ThistleWeb | or their patent racketeering | Aug 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | There's more potential for Microsoft in US Army Indoctrination | Aug 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | They already export to them | Aug 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Visible Technologies funded and made largely by Microsoft | Aug 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Now exporting polical propaganda "tool kits" | Aug 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | They call it tool kits | Aug 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | For AstroTurf | Aug 19 21:51 |
| ThistleWeb | trying to claim that there's widespread hatred towards i4i over this, but the only hatred I see is coming from MS's astroturfing army | Aug 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | "TruCast" and "TruPulse" | Aug 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | TruCast and TruPulse. | Aug 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/burson-marstellers-twitter-campaigns-defined-by-burson-marsteller-and-their-tool-tru-cast/v | Aug 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | "TruCast (Visible Technologies): Burson-Marsteller partners with Visible Technologies to helps clients interact, manage and grow their brands in the blogosphere and social media communities. With TruCast, Burson-Marsteller clients gain the following benefits: | Aug 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | o Social Media and Blog Monitoring to track viral conversations about the client’s brand and products and to react quickly to online dialogues affecting the brand | Aug 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | o Social Media Learning and Measurement to brand Influencers and activists, assess the conversation volume about your products and brand | Aug 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | o Social Media Marketing and Customer Engagement to drive influential peer-to-peer, word-of-mouth promotion and measure marketing programs and media campaign success" | Aug 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: not only that | Aug 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Also FUD against ODF | Aug 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | They did it all before | Aug 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Same lackeys | Aug 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Gartner and Burton seeded it | Aug 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Wrong 100% | Aug 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Open Source for America Welcomes The Linux Box as Latest Member in Advocating Open Source in the U.S. Federal Government < http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/38958 > | Aug 19 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder how many who play the patriotic card think it through. If it's unpatriotic for the US to act against a US company, and patriotic for US customers to buy from US brands, that means everyone outside the world should not buy from US companies, but companies from their own countries | Aug 19 21:54 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: let's resume a week from now when it all settles down, hopefully. | Aug 19 21:54 |
| wallclimber | excellent! | Aug 19 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | that'd be something if MS stopped selling outside the US to be patriotic | Aug 19 21:55 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/assorted-2009/PX06482.pdf http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/assorted-2009/PX00743.pdf | Aug 19 21:55 |
| schestowitz | That's two of them | Aug 19 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes, and racketeering against Japanese companies is OK | Aug 19 21:55 |
| fewa | patriotic | Aug 19 21:56 |
| *Diablo-D3 derails the channel | Aug 19 21:57 | |
| Diablo-D3 | you know whats fun? | Aug 19 21:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | java. | Aug 19 21:57 |
| ThistleWeb | multi-nationals try to compete in every country they can | Aug 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/08/linux-vendor-revenue-1-billion.html "It would seem that IDC is standing on the corner willing to be anybody's "Industry Report Lover" for a price. Here is what they project for Linux growth in February 2004 (http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=5334). Looks like they got Microsoft's attention with that one." | Aug 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Bingo | Aug 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | People start to realise this | Aug 19 21:58 |
| ThistleWeb | patriotism is irrelevant | Aug 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | fewa: Intel said the EC was "anti-American" | Aug 19 21:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz charles darwin's on the 10 pound ;-) | Aug 19 21:58 | |
| schestowitz | The MAFIAA said giving music for free (legal) is "anti-American" | Aug 19 21:58 |
| fewa | exactly, it is | Aug 19 21:58 |
| fewa | I am a human | Aug 19 21:59 |
| fewa | I think of this which are pro-humann | Aug 19 21:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : Newton and Bayes deserve a place before Turing | Aug 19 22:00 | |
| ThistleWeb | exactly, they love playing the anti-american, or unpatriotic (depending on the nationality of the smeared) | Aug 19 22:00 |
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| fewa_ | Noam Chomsky talks about this | Aug 19 22:01 |
| ThistleWeb | if patriotism is so important to them, whey do they share their so valuable goodies with the outside world? | Aug 19 22:01 |
| fewa_ | ThistleWeb, because they are trying to hold onto only the things they liked about mercantilism | Aug 19 22:01 |
| fewa_ | and by that accord, monarchy | Aug 19 22:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | [05:06:10] <schestowitz> fewa: Intel said the EC was "anti-American" | Aug 19 22:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | ironic | Aug 19 22:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | intel is anti-american | Aug 19 22:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | their biggest chip fabs are in other countries | Aug 19 22:02 |
| fewa_ | that by definition any country the united states invades, we are natives | Aug 19 22:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | though it doesnt matter | Aug 19 22:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | computing is a global industry | Aug 19 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | for large companies like intel, you're no longer "american" | Aug 19 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're simply from earth | Aug 19 22:03 |
| fewa_ | Diablo-D3, exactly why "anti-American" is a business context can only mean "eats at my profits" | Aug 19 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa_: exactly | Aug 19 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | its largely bullshit | Aug 19 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | I buy from whoever I want whenever I want and no one can stop me | Aug 19 22:03 |
| fewa_ | pro-American can only be legitimately used in term of public policy | Aug 19 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | think smaller | Aug 19 22:04 |
| fewa_ | as in good for the american people | Aug 19 22:04 |
| ThistleWeb | it plays on the patroitism of the listener while trying to bypass their critical judgement to see what's really going on | Aug 19 22:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | pro-American can only be used by Republicans legitimately. | Aug 19 22:04 |
| fewa_ | Cheaper healthcare through monoposy, for example | Aug 19 22:04 |
| ThistleWeb | get them to side with the US party without listening to the accusations, valid or not | Aug 19 22:04 |
| ThistleWeb | an emotional reaction | Aug 19 22:04 |
| fewa_ | Not proping up the pharmaceuticals that only exist due to congress, and they preventing the government from even bargaining with them | Aug 19 22:04 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: http://blogs.computerworld.com/14570/moonlight_2_arrives_and_falls_flat_on_its_face | Aug 19 22:04 |
| fewa_ | mandatory disenfranchisement | Aug 19 22:04 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: any other good microsoft fails it urls? | Aug 19 22:05 |
| ThistleWeb | big US corps do like hypocricy | Aug 19 22:05 |
| fewa_ | Things like this are American: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht_W5_Ogh0U | Aug 19 22:05 |
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| fewa_ | and the reasons why people have to do that: clearly anti-American | Aug 19 22:06 |
| fewa_ | As in, good for the american people | Aug 19 22:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa_: I should just start calling the republican party anti-american terrorists | Aug 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | fewa: "anti-Norwegian" :-) | Aug 19 22:06 |
| fewa_ | Diablo-D3, and how are they not? Terrorizing about "socialized medicine" | Aug 19 22:06 |
| ThistleWeb | they like to claim loud and clear that they're a US company to get US peeps to buy patriotically, while playing it down on the various branches worldwide knowing that some will be turned off with the US label, they try to associate themselves with the locals | Aug 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | And anti-Soviet being a horrendous felony | Aug 19 22:07 |
| fewa_ | which is a lie ever since Reagan was first hired to utter it | Aug 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | FOSS as "communism" | Aug 19 22:07 |
| tacone | Bi polarism is the excuse for republicans to govern half the time | Aug 19 22:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder why the fuck everyone hates obama's plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan | Aug 19 22:07 |
| fewa_ | schestowitz, yep, completely missing the difference between free choice and coercion | Aug 19 22:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | argh thanks keyboard! | Aug 19 22:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, I wonder why everyone hates it.... insurance companies really are the Big Bad | Aug 19 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | we've known this for decades | Aug 19 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | if obama's plan isnt passed I'm afraid insurance companies will run wild | Aug 19 22:08 |
| tacone | Obama is clearly a microsoft shill :-) | Aug 19 22:08 |
| fewa_ | Diablo-D3, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q | Aug 19 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt even matter if obama's plan will work | Aug 19 22:08 |
| fewa_ | "Nixon Launches the HMO's - What a SICKO" | Aug 19 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | its sending a message to these people that they can do whatever they want | Aug 19 22:08 |
| ThistleWeb | every president is a shill for the corps who donated to them | Aug 19 22:08 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the US system | Aug 19 22:08 |
| fewa_ | you have to watch that | Aug 19 22:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: except kennedy | Aug 19 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | obama is no different | Aug 19 22:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | but look at what happened to him | Aug 19 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | kenedy was a blip | Aug 19 22:09 |
| ThistleWeb | he hardly had time to get comfy in his chair before he was killed | Aug 19 22:09 |
| fewa_ | http://change-congress.org/ | Aug 19 22:09 |
| wallclimber | Kennedy was a blip? No, he wasn't any different. | Aug 19 22:09 |
| tacone | Well , more than 50% money came from people | Aug 19 22:09 |
| fewa_ | He just dies | Aug 19 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Bli, blip, bl,iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip | Aug 19 22:10 |
| fewa_ | When someone dies, they take on super-human powers | Aug 19 22:10 |
| ThistleWeb | he was ellected as the golden boy on a wave of optimism, then killed before anything could be achieved | Aug 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27061/1090/ | Aug 19 22:10 |
| fewa_ | or the disappear, depending on how the media covers it | Aug 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | anti-X is synonymous with the "hater" label | Aug 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Or "Extremist" or "terrorist" | Aug 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | So it goes like this | Aug 19 22:11 |
| fewa_ | Kennedy rigged votes in Chicago | Aug 19 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | so he will always be thought of as a great man, regardless of what could have happened | Aug 19 22:11 |
| fewa_ | to make sure he was elected | Aug 19 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | fewa: his dad did with the unions yes | Aug 19 22:11 |
| fewa_ | The old Tanneby machine | Aug 19 22:11 |
| wallclimber | The Kennedys were very comfortable with corporate cronies | Aug 19 22:11 |
| wallclimber | still are... | Aug 19 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | dont think it was jfk, but it was to benefit jfk | Aug 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is anti-Linux Freedom-loving terrifying zealot | Aug 19 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | if JFK lasted a full term his reputation would be much different | Aug 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Language makes all the difference | Aug 19 22:11 |
| wallclimber | ThistleWeb: that's very true | Aug 19 22:11 |
| ThistleWeb | the fact that he was killed while on a high point of popularity sealed his reputation | Aug 19 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | he didn't get the chance to fall | Aug 19 22:12 |
| fewa_ | He was "change we can believe in" | Aug 19 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | then his bro being killed a few yrs later helped seal the sympathy for the kenedy clan | Aug 19 22:12 |
| wallclimber | his popularity was waning though. The Bay of Pigs wasn't good for his presidency | Aug 19 22:12 |
| ThistleWeb | Kennedy was the first to spot style over substance, and whipped Nixon as he understood the power of TV | Aug 19 22:13 |
| fewa_ | ^^ | Aug 19 22:13 |
| wallclimber | just curious...how old were you when JFK was killed? | Aug 19 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | every leader since has learned from JFK on populism and presentation | Aug 19 22:13 |
| ThistleWeb | wallclimber: who? | Aug 19 22:14 |
| wallclimber | lol...you! | Aug 19 22:14 |
| fewa_ | schestowitz, u seen this: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/25/exclusive_animal_rights_activist_jailed_at ? | Aug 19 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh lol | Aug 19 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I wasn't born | Aug 19 22:14 |
| wallclimber | I remember that day very well...very sad day. | Aug 19 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I arrived the same yr Watergate peaked | Aug 19 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | 73 | Aug 19 22:14 |
| wallclimber | My youngest son is 2 years older than you :) | Aug 19 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | I spent a lot of time on documentries though | Aug 19 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | the nixon / jfk yrs were interesting on a lot of levels | Aug 19 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | from the rise of TV, space exploration, vietnam, civil rights etc | Aug 19 22:16 |
| wallclimber | Yes, they were. The more things change, the more they stay the same | Aug 19 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | how several of nixons team went on to become reagans team | Aug 19 22:16 |
| wallclimber | You're right that JFK knew how to use TV, he was a master at it. Lots of style and charm. | Aug 19 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | and some more onto bush snr / jnr's team | Aug 19 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | he was | Aug 19 22:17 |
| wallclimber | Nixon didn't have a chance against JFK. | Aug 19 22:17 |
| fewa_ | Nixon creates the HMO, "I like that" to giving people littling coverage for primit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q | Aug 19 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | the tv debate between him and nixon, he was the mental midget, yet nixon looked shifty | Aug 19 22:17 |
| wallclimber | Yes, "shifty" indeed. | Aug 19 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | he ooozed charm | Aug 19 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | peeps who listened thought nixon won | Aug 19 22:18 |
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| ThistleWeb | peeps who watched thought JFK won | Aug 19 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | because nixon was clueless to the power of TV image | Aug 19 22:18 |
| wallclimber | The truth is, Jackie was a big reason that JFK won. | Aug 19 22:19 |
| wallclimber | She had the press following her every move... | Aug 19 22:19 |
| ThistleWeb | there are plenty of powerful dynasties, the Kennedys are one of them | Aug 19 22:19 |
| ThistleWeb | celebs | Aug 19 22:19 |
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| wallclimber | Plenty of skeletons in their closets though | Aug 19 22:20 |
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| ThistleWeb | one big mistake the kennedys made was cuba | Aug 19 22:20 |
| wallclimber | Yes, they made the Mob peevish... | Aug 19 22:20 |
| wallclimber | lots of gambling money was lost | Aug 19 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | cuba used to be an offshore vacation island where singers can mix with mafia and politicians away from US soil and US jurisdiction | Aug 19 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | until castro | Aug 19 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | that was why it pissed the US elite off | Aug 19 22:21 |
| wallclimber | yes, it was in the news a lot. | Aug 19 22:21 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: haven't seen it | Aug 19 22:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is Nvidia responsible for the no Additional OS on Slim PS3? < http://ping.fm/8VPI8 > | Aug 19 22:21 | |
| ThistleWeb | with every bungled attempt, it became more and more personal between the kennedys and castro | Aug 19 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Saving animals is the new 'anti-Ameircan' activity | Aug 19 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | which leads to the long standing attitude between the US and Cuba today | Aug 19 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | anyhoo, we're off topic, sorry schestowitz back to the point | Aug 19 22:22 |
| wallclimber | I remember how scary the missile crisis was...very tense | Aug 19 22:23 |
| ThistleWeb | wallclimber: that was possibly JFK's only real achievement | Aug 19 22:23 |
| wallclimber | Yes, that's true. But he barely squeaked through it | Aug 19 22:24 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no, it's OK. I like the topic | Aug 19 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I'm mostly reading and learning | Aug 19 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | if the kennedys didnt get all personally wrapped up with cuba, it'd never have had the recent history that it does have | Aug 19 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | it wouldnt be embargoed | Aug 19 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | it wouldnt be treated as a pariah state | Aug 19 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a legacy of the Kennedys always being determined to win, no matter the cost | Aug 19 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | there is no settlement | Aug 19 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | there is no comprimise | Aug 19 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | there is only victory | Aug 19 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | which they failed at | Aug 19 22:26 |
| wallclimber | I don't know if that's true, or not. Castro didn't like the mob owning so much of the resort trade. He might have run them out eventually...which would have led to political crisis...the mob had/has friends in government | Aug 19 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | possibly | Aug 19 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | it sounds plausible | Aug 19 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | castro was pissed at US peeps owning so much of cuba's resources | Aug 19 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | that'd include the mob | Aug 19 22:27 |
| wallclimber | yes, exactly. | Aug 19 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | he was pissed that the locals were limited to menial servants jobs working to serve rich US peeps for little money | Aug 19 22:28 |
| wallclimber | they knew their days were numbered and tried to deal with castro in underhanded ways | Aug 19 22:28 |
| wallclimber | "they knew" (meaning the Mob) | Aug 19 22:29 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, castro was a thorn in the sides of peeps who used cuba as a vacation island away from the US authorities and midea | Aug 19 22:29 |
| ThistleWeb | media | Aug 19 22:29 |
| wallclimber | I've always wondered what the Mob had on the Kennedys to get them into that whole mess | Aug 19 22:29 |
| wallclimber | Then there was J Edgar... | Aug 19 22:30 |
| wallclimber | Wiretaps and other sneaky stuff...those were interesting times | Aug 19 22:31 |
| ThistleWeb | the kennedys are the reason why the anti-US sentiment in Cuba is so strong, as well as why Cuba is the rallying call for others like Chavez | Aug 19 22:31 |
| ThistleWeb | the mob worked in some areas to ensure votes went to JFK, to get him ellected | Aug 19 22:32 |
| wallclimber | "Anti-US sentiment? Yes, the Kennedys were part of the reason. But J Edgar Hoover was also a big part of the problem | Aug 19 22:32 |
| ThistleWeb | teamsters union | Aug 19 22:32 |
| fewa_ | ThistleWeb, there is nothing wrong will campaigning | Aug 19 22:33 |
| wallclimber | Poor Jimmy Hoffa...gone but not forgotten | Aug 19 22:33 |
| fewa_ | but ive heard that they rigged the votes in Chicago | Aug 19 22:33 |
| fewa_ | through the old political machines | Aug 19 22:33 |
| *fewa_ is now known as fewa | Aug 19 22:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "10 of tech's biggest missed opportunities" http://ping.fm/IBoyt If only IBM bought Sun... | Aug 19 22:33 | |
| ThistleWeb | after he was elected, it'd be embarrassing for it to come out that JFK won in some rigged polls, which may force him to stand down in disgrace | Aug 19 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | thing is, JFK didn't rig anything | Aug 19 22:34 |
| wallclimber | Vote rigging in Chicago?? I'm shocked! :) | Aug 19 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | his dad did though | Aug 19 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | I can believe he was kept in the dark for reasons of plausible deniability | Aug 19 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | but his dad def rigged votes with the teamsters | Aug 19 22:35 |
| wallclimber | Kennedy Senior is an interesting character, for sure... | Aug 19 22:35 |
| ThistleWeb | hoover felt he needed power over everyone in a position of power | Aug 19 22:36 |
| ThistleWeb | so he could blackmail | Aug 19 22:36 |
| ThistleWeb | he knew JFK was a womaniser | Aug 19 22:36 |
| wallclimber | Liquor during Prohibition, arms dealing... | Aug 19 22:36 |
| ThistleWeb | though that wasn't all that much of a secret | Aug 19 22:36 |
| ThistleWeb | his relationship with marylin monroe for example | Aug 19 22:36 |
| wallclimber | ...his relationship, and his brother's relationship with Marylin is probably what got her killed | Aug 19 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | who died in mysterious circumstances while he was in office and in a relationship with her | Aug 19 22:37 |
| wallclimber | I've never believed she commited suicide | Aug 19 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Aug 19 22:37 |
| fewa | Scalia: Constitution Does Not Forbid Execution of the Innocent | Aug 19 22:38 |
| fewa | WTF | Aug 19 22:38 |
| ThistleWeb | hoover was gay too, which was VERY frowned on then | Aug 19 22:38 |
| wallclimber | Lol...yes, Hoover in heels... | Aug 19 22:38 |
| fewa | http://supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/08-1443Scalia.pdf | Aug 19 22:38 |
| ThistleWeb | he couldnt afford anyone to find that out and expose him, so having secrets on others was a way to say "say anything and I'll destroy your career and possibly your life" | Aug 19 22:39 |
| ThistleWeb | mutual self interest | Aug 19 22:39 |
| wallclimber | Hoover destroyed many people's lives and careers...ThistleWeb, it's been a pleasure. I need to get to work now. Thanks for the chat | Aug 19 22:39 |
| ThistleWeb | you too tc | Aug 19 22:40 |
| wallclimber | And a thank you to Roy for making even little ol' ladies feel welcome... | Aug 19 22:40 |
| wallclimber | :o) | Aug 19 22:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Sitting through an orientation. Very boring and uncomfortable. | Aug 19 22:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux (Ubuntu) on Everyone's Lips Now http://ping.fm/e7OVz | Aug 19 22:52 | |
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| fewa_ | im really starting to hate qwest | Aug 19 22:54 |
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| fewa_ | nvm, but this disconnection is getting annoying | Aug 19 22:57 |
| fewa_ | could be my setup | Aug 19 22:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another House Finds Happiness in GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/rcbAH | Aug 19 22:58 | |
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| _goblin | hi all | Aug 19 23:00 |
| *_goblin is now known as Goblin | Aug 19 23:00 | |
| schestowitz | Hey | Aug 19 23:00 |
| Goblin | must get that changed in my startup script | Aug 19 23:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fujitsu Spreading GNU/Linux Servers http://ping.fm/rcqyB | Aug 19 23:00 | |
| Goblin | havent had much time for IT this week :( | Aug 19 23:01 |
| Goblin | need to get a few articles released.... | Aug 19 23:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: BBFC refuses classification for Japanese horror film "Grotesque" http://notnews.today.com/?p=613 | Aug 19 23:02 | |
| Goblin | that will sell it better....nothing advertised a product better than a BBFC boycott! | Aug 19 23:03 |
| Goblin | talking of films....apparently District 9 is very good. | Aug 19 23:04 |
| Goblin | I have a confession.....been getting into the Clone Wars (star wars animated).......its actually very good. | Aug 19 23:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] OMG, Massive REddit Up voting, paste this in your address bar -> javascript:$(".up").click()() | Aug 19 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | Goblin: ASCII mode? | Aug 19 23:14 |
| Goblin | lol | Aug 19 23:15 |
| Goblin | no | Aug 19 23:16 |
| Goblin | the new series thing on TV! | Aug 19 23:16 |
| schestowitz | ping.fm just went down | Aug 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | It was funny | Aug 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | It shows "posta song" | Aug 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | THen went offlien | Aug 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Now back | Aug 19 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Somehting went AWOL | Aug 19 23:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pidgin 2.6.0 is Released http://ping.fm/sck0C | Aug 19 23:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kernel Space of Linux Pays (And Pays Off), Gains Developer http://ping.fm/Tov1R | Aug 19 23:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Python for Qt is Coming http://ping.fm/GhzdG | Aug 19 23:17 | |
| Goblin | hmmmm video support in Pidgin? maybe it has some worth afterall... | Aug 19 23:18 |
| Goblin | thats been a long time needed IMO | Aug 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I guess | Aug 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I don't care much for video | Aug 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Just moving stills | Aug 19 23:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Early Look at Fedora 12 http://ping.fm/WZios | Aug 19 23:18 | |
| Goblin | me neither.... | Aug 19 23:18 |
| schestowitz | It's not as tough there's much going on | Aug 19 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | [06:12:42] <Goblin> I have a confession.....been getting into the Clone Wars (star wars animated).......its actually very good. | Aug 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather read while talking | Aug 19 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | clone wars the animation is good | Aug 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Or watch other videos or a chat room | Aug 19 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | clone wars the cgi is utter crap | Aug 19 23:19 |
| Goblin | the film v the tv series? | Aug 19 23:19 |
| Goblin | or are you talking the cartoon v CGI? | Aug 19 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | the cartoon vs the cgi | Aug 19 23:20 |
| Goblin | never saw the drawn series..... | Aug 19 23:20 |
| Goblin | I think the cgi one is very good... | Aug 19 23:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | gennedy tarkovsky's cartoon is _extremely_ good | Aug 19 23:20 |
| Goblin | although I cant remember anakin ever mentioning he had a padawan. | Aug 19 23:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | the cgi was made because george lucas couldnt handle the fact someone wrote a better story than him | Aug 19 23:21 |
| Goblin | mind you they have Jar Jar binks sorted....he's just as digusting in the CGI as he was in the movie. | Aug 19 23:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | jar jar shouldnt even appear | Aug 19 23:21 |
| Goblin | Ill tell you what I dont like, the battle droids discourse....its silly.... | Aug 19 23:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CentOS Doing Well http://ping.fm/vewod | Aug 19 23:21 | |
| Diablo-D3 | well, thats a george lucasism | Aug 19 23:21 |
| Goblin | Jar Jar is to Starwars what Vista is to Microsoft | Aug 19 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | the bots talking to each other just... fits. | Aug 19 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | its no different than everyone talking to R2/R5 droids | Aug 19 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | Goblin: watch gennedy's cartoon | Aug 19 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think you'll like it | Aug 19 23:23 |
| Goblin | Ill give it a go if I see it on. | Aug 19 23:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | you'll never seen it aired on TV again | Aug 19 23:24 |
| Goblin | ah | Aug 19 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | the DVDs of it are also no longer published | Aug 19 23:24 |
| Goblin | shame | Aug 19 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | you either have to pirate it or borrow it | Aug 19 23:24 |
| Goblin | ah, I don't pirate....I'll keep an eye out at the local boot sales. | Aug 19 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont mind piracy when its no longer published | Aug 19 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I actually want to buy a copy | Aug 19 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its one of the few things I think are worth owning | Aug 19 23:25 |
| Goblin | see your point.... | Aug 19 23:25 |
| cubezzz | does anyone remember The Star Wars Holiday Special? :) | Aug 19 23:25 |
| Goblin | no | Aug 19 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: OH GOD | Aug 19 23:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | pink wookeeeeeeees | Aug 19 23:26 |
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| cubezzz | the 70's was a strange time | Aug 19 23:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | Goblin: btw, its actually rather short, the whole thing is only 2 hours | Aug 19 23:28 |
| Goblin | Ill will look out for it....Im a big starwars fan... | Aug 19 23:29 |
| cubezzz | when was the first release, 1977 I think... | Aug 19 23:30 |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Clone-Vol/dp/B0006Z2LMO/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250721453&sr=8-12 | Aug 19 23:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Clone-Vol/dp/B000BCE8Q4/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1250721453&sr=8-10 | Aug 19 23:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the two discs | Aug 19 23:30 |
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| ThistleWeb | funny, I've been watching the clone wars over the last few days too | Aug 19 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | the animation is excellent, the style of animation is in the eye of the beholder, some don't like it | Aug 19 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | I happen to like it | Aug 19 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | after I got used to it | Aug 19 23:34 |
| neighborlee | I think its amazing as well | Aug 19 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | Jar Jar should have been left out | Aug 19 23:34 |
| neighborlee | though enjoy the genre anyway ;) | Aug 19 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont mind him in ep1 | Aug 19 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | but the part of the hapless fool only works up to a point | Aug 19 23:34 |
| Goblin | found the .co.uk version.....its alot cheaper.... | Aug 19 23:34 |
| neighborlee | I love that character, so im fine with it | Aug 19 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | the clone wars takes that past breaking poiint in some eps | Aug 19 23:35 |
| neighborlee | I know others that dont though yes ;)) | Aug 19 23:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | Goblin: its a dvd... unless you have a regionless player you're srewed | Aug 19 23:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | *screwed | Aug 19 23:35 |
| Goblin | Yep...on Amazon.co.uk its the UK disk.... | Aug 19 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | I've only seen up to ep16 btw | Aug 19 23:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: we're talking about gennedy's cartoon, not the cgi btw | Aug 19 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | k | Aug 19 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah that wasn't bad either | Aug 19 23:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont care for the cgi | Aug 19 23:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just... blargh | Aug 19 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | a different style again | Aug 19 23:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | george lucas should just retire | Aug 19 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | the cgi versions, the battle droids dialog was funny if wrong | Aug 19 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | they dont need to communicate with voice | Aug 19 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | voices are for the flesh and bloods around them, there is no mistaking orders | Aug 19 23:37 |
| ThistleWeb | the dialog has brought them to life and made them entertaining though | Aug 19 23:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | like I said to Goblin, it bizzarely fits | Aug 19 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | lucas has always been a hack though | Aug 19 23:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | lucas was a better hack 30 years ago | Aug 19 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | he spends his entire career rehashing the same franchise | Aug 19 23:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | the first sw trilogy and indiana jones were good | Aug 19 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | peeps claim he's a great director, I don't buy it | Aug 19 23:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, hes a _bad_ director | Aug 19 23:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is why a new hope is slow | Aug 19 23:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the next two films he didnt direct, and he didnt direct any of indiana jones | Aug 19 23:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | george is only a decent writer | Aug 19 23:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | but he doesn't know how to actually direct | Aug 19 23:40 |
| ThistleWeb | I am a SW fan btw | Aug 19 23:40 |
| ThistleWeb | http://dirkgently.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/what-makes-a-good-movie-director/ | Aug 19 23:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | he works best when combined with a director who isnt an idiot | Aug 19 23:40 |
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| ThistleWeb | ^^ my old blog | Aug 19 23:40 |
| ThistleWeb | that post was written to get all sorts of stuff in one place for this very argument lol | Aug 19 23:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | "[06:12:42] <Goblin> I have a confession.....been getting into the Clone Wars (star wars animated).......its actually very good." | Aug 19 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2002/76352928.png and http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/407/60300721.png | Aug 19 23:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | errr | Aug 19 23:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | wrong paste | Aug 19 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 19 23:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | "The bottom line is that the director chooses WHO they want in each role\u2026.for whatever reason or combination of reasons." | Aug 19 23:41 |
| ThistleWeb | technically the blog should be down, as I wen through the deletion procedure but it's still up | Aug 19 23:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, they have people for that too | Aug 19 23:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu 9.10 Gets Really Attractive (Visually) http://ping.fm/L8Gjn http://ping.fm/soEHC | Aug 19 23:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Aurora Excalibur (Drone) Runs Linux http://ping.fm/u7HBg | Aug 19 23:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Advice on Music-playing Gadgets for Linux Users http://ping.fm/vuLf9 | Aug 19 23:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Next Garmin Runs Linux http://ping.fm/2yX6h | Aug 19 23:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Sub-notebook Runs GNU/Linux (Only) http://ping.fm/G5AdR | Aug 19 23:46 | |
| Diablo-D3 | eh | Aug 19 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder which linux that UAV is using | Aug 19 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | because military contractors never know how to write soft realtime apps | Aug 19 23:47 |
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| DaemonFC | http://pastebin.com/f3afb352c | Aug 19 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | enjoy | Aug 19 23:55 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Fhg is not only in league with whoever is paying them, they have partners that are worse than Microsoft | Aug 19 23:59 |
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