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| tacone | LA LENTA, costante scalata di Bing, il nuovo motore di ricerca di Microsoft, verso i vertici, sempre lontanissimi, di Google, continua inarrestabile. | Aug 21 00:12 |
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| tacone | THE SLOW, constant Bing rise, the new Microsoft search engine, towards the, so very far, Google, continues unstoppable. | Aug 21 00:13 |
| tacone | http://www.repubblica.it/2009/01/sezioni/tecnologia/microsoft-world/intervista-bing/intervista-bing.html | Aug 21 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: only in the US will they really explore this Bong | Aug 21 00:29 |
| schestowitz | maybe the advertising is greater there | Aug 21 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe people more gullible | Aug 21 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft more liked, I dunno.. | Aug 21 00:29 |
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| ThistleWeb | its a US company, it's patriotic to support it | Aug 21 00:35 |
| Lns | I thought outsourcing was patriotic... | Aug 21 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Lns: patriotic to whom? :-) | Aug 21 00:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Hijacks Maharashtra’s Education, to Teach Many Children How to Smoke Windows http://ping.fm/FNpmQ | Aug 21 00:57 | |
| schestowitz | Elite class is not a nation | Aug 21 00:57 |
| Lns | schestowitz: might as well be | Aug 21 00:58 |
| Lns | that's who we salute our work, money and lives to (maybe without realization of course) | Aug 21 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Where will they live? | Aug 21 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Can they be sent to an island? | Aug 21 00:59 |
| schestowitz | That would resolve MANY issues, you know? | Aug 21 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Just build fences to protect them. Call it Alcatraz or something. /sarcas | Aug 21 01:00 |
| Lns | (i was just responding to your comment on supporting companies being patriotic..dunno what the convo is about ;) ) | Aug 21 01:00 |
| schestowitz | It relates to yesterday | Aug 21 01:00 |
| Lns | ? | Aug 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | We were talking about how companies label "bad for business" "anti-Ameican" or "not patriotic" | Aug 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | See the logs from yesterday's IRC session | Aug 21 01:01 |
| schestowitz | stallman.org is down | Aug 21 01:02 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe it's having a shave | Aug 21 01:02 |
| Lns | labels are just that. Ignore them. | Aug 21 01:03 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: OMG. Delilah is killing Samson | Aug 21 01:04 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Aug 21 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Aug 21 01:27 |
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| seller_liar | hey roy / | Aug 21 02:07 |
| seller_liar | install semantic wiki plugin | Aug 21 02:08 |
| seller_liar | to help in court ehxibits | Aug 21 02:08 |
| seller_liar | roy? | Aug 21 02:10 |
| seller_liar | hey twitter | Aug 21 02:14 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, my post about playready is on the first page of results for "Windows 7 Playready" in Google | Aug 21 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | that ought to piss them off | Aug 21 05:27 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/the-real-truth-about-windows-aero-and-desktop-compositing-on-windows/ | Aug 21 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | "I kind of take their reply to mean, “Microsoft busted it, it ain’t coming back, there’s a “Media Center” built into Windows, have lots of fun with that."" | Aug 21 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 21 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yahoo is now recommending Internet Explorer 8 | Aug 21 06:17 |
| neighborlee | lol | Aug 21 06:18 |
| neighborlee | hm well thats odd ;) | Aug 21 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://downloads.yahoo.com/internetexplorer/ | Aug 21 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | page of marketing crap | Aug 21 06:18 |
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| Diablo-D3 | eh | Aug 21 06:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | I cant actually blame microsoft | Aug 21 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Aug 21 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'd basically have to embed an entire gdi rendering engine in each app | Aug 21 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | to fix the problem | Aug 21 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | due to the fact gdi is absolute fucking shit and was never designed for... well, any hardware made in the past 20 eyars | Aug 21 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | windows never had a display server before | Aug 21 06:44 |
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| DaemonFC | the Fixed Noise Channel got rid of Glenn Beck apparently | Aug 21 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | my guess is that enough advertisers are boycotting him that his show is no longer profitable and he's too much of a liability to their network | Aug 21 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | I just got a referral from this place to my blog | Aug 21 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wetested.com/ | Aug 21 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | looks like some organization that pays off bloggers to write advertising masquerading as personal opinion | Aug 21 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | looks like someone is also probing Google to see what leads them to my page about PlayReady | Aug 21 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Aug 21 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder why people take glenn beck seriously | Aug 21 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | he himself admits hes sorta like john stewart | Aug 21 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | he exists purely to piss in EVERYBODY's cheeriohs | Aug 21 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | not just the left or the right or whoever else | Aug 21 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | everyone | Aug 21 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | I've got search referrals from: windows 7 drm “playready”, amc windows 7, windows 7 drm, wtf is playready windows 7, windows media center one channel stutters, and drm windows 7 | Aug 21 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | oh, and "what's playready" | Aug 21 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | "windows media center drm" | Aug 21 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | "playready windows 7 bypass" | Aug 21 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | looks like I'm not the only person that has a problem with that, a few of those look legit, the rest look like someone is testing to see what phrases bring up that page | Aug 21 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=53553957 | Aug 21 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | enjoy | Aug 21 07:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | blah fuck myspace | Aug 21 07:31 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Aug 21 07:46 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 21 07:46 | |
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| schestowitz | Security bugs crawl all over financial giant’s website < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/20/ameriprise_website_vulnerabilities/ > | Aug 21 08:11 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Aug 21 08:23 |
| Omar87 | I just wonder, how come Google isn't making a GTalk version for Linux? | Aug 21 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | cause most of their existing "ports" use Wine libraries? | Aug 21 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | just a guess | Aug 21 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | from what I've seen, the people porting Chrome have been bitching at every step | Aug 21 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/msg/f3507e2ded99b354 | Aug 21 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | that sounds to me like they're taking a swipe at Linux GUI toolkits | Aug 21 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | "My initial thought was that a Windows-clone would be acceptable on Linux" | Aug 21 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | "A | Aug 21 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | Windows-clone would most definitely not be acceptable on MacOS X, | Aug 21 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | where the APIs for UI development are highly evolved and have many | Aug 21 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | outstanding features." | Aug 21 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | uggh | Aug 21 08:31 |
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| DaemonFC | anyhow, put those two sentences together and you get what he's really saying | Aug 21 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | he's right though, there's really no good cross platform GUI toolkit unless you want your application to not look native anywhere | Aug 21 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/67261.html?wlc=1250840515 | Aug 21 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | same guy | Aug 21 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: As many reasons as Google has to want to fight off Microsoft, it hires a lot of programmers that are only really experienced with Windows and make sure that their apps aren't really all that portable | Aug 21 08:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: google just hires people who arent morons | Aug 21 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | they seem to hire plenty of idiots | Aug 21 08:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can be not a moron and only understand how to code on windows | Aug 21 08:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just havent been exposed to the right languages yet | Aug 21 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | Writing Chrome to be heavily dependent on Win32 and then taking well over a year to get anything that comes close to working on Linux | Aug 21 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | that really just says it all | Aug 21 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | even rewriting major parts of it that should have been done right to begin with | Aug 21 08:57 |
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| DaemonFC | even reverse engineering Windows dlls so they could use APIs undocumented and unsupported by Microsoft | Aug 21 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | you're telling me that they hire bright people? Where? I'd sure like to see these bright people you speak of | Aug 21 08:58 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's true if bright people means white peole | Aug 21 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | they're really good at writing programs that fall out of the Win32 tree and hit every branch on the way down, I guess | Aug 21 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Although that too may be changing as Google offshores moe | Aug 21 08:59 |
| schestowitz | *more | Aug 21 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, that just means we'll be getting more Windows software | Aug 21 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's all that gets spewed out of offshored Indian software development | Aug 21 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | or Chinese | Aug 21 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | and not even well written Windows software most of the time | Aug 21 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | some of it even escapes without being proofread by a native English speaker | Aug 21 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | though I really doubt Google will go that far | Aug 21 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I really had an "Oh shit" moment when I was using Foxconn's BIOS flashing tool and it said "Backuping your BIOS" | Aug 21 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | here it was flashing my BIOS and it was too late to stop it and it was written by someone that didn't know that figured "Backuping" was a word | Aug 21 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | *someone that figured | Aug 21 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | I just really had a horrible feeling my PC would never boot up again | Aug 21 09:05 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, did you see where Microsoft is backporting the ribbon interface to Vista? | Aug 21 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | reminds me of when they used to backport little pieces of their new operating systems to the last version, not enough to really do anything important, just to tease you | Aug 21 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | Ribbons are different, adding too little | Aug 21 09:23 |
| schestowitz | People should learn keyboard shortcuts | Aug 21 09:23 |
| schestowitz | Not tabbed toolbars | Aug 21 09:23 |
| schestowitz | Which are NOT Microsoft's invention anyway | Aug 21 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | most of the Windows GUI isn't | Aug 21 09:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft ripped off others and made lots of PR[opaganda] about it | Aug 21 09:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: aye | Aug 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | taskbar grouping in XP came from BeOS | Aug 21 09:24 |
| schestowitz | When something sucks, then it might be Microsoft's innovation indeed. Clippy for example. | Aug 21 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | the main problem I have with Windows is that Vista and 7 have those backstabbing DRM components | Aug 21 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | and they're foisted on you without even telling you what they do, even when they're "optional" | Aug 21 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | read: You have the option of installing the DRM or not using that function of your computer | Aug 21 09:25 |
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| DaemonFC | I think a lot of people are seeing that Vista and 7 get in your way a lot more than XP did even if they're not sure how to articulate it or what to do, and that's why you see a lot of people demanding XP | Aug 21 09:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu/photo/963360 | Aug 21 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Looks quite human | Aug 21 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of computer repair shops were cleaning up on the sheer number of customers that wanted Vista formatted off so badly that they were willing to pay for an XP license plus $70 an hour for the guy to install XP for them | Aug 21 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's pretty bad and there's just no way Microsoft can explain their way out of it | Aug 21 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really even see why they ended XP, it's obvious that they could just keep "extending" it indefinitely while new PCs kept shipping with Vista and they get to sell everyone two copies of Windows on every PC | Aug 21 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | you know that even when the mafia was running Las Vegas, they had a code of ethics that was much more ethical than Microsoft | Aug 21 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | they considered profiting more than 20 cents on every dollar as "cheating" people too much | Aug 21 09:30 |
| schestowitz | Vista cost $720 in Holland | Aug 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | The full edition | Aug 21 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is profiting more on the line of fifty dollars per dollar spent | Aug 21 09:31 |
| schestowitz | $710 maybe | Aug 21 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | there's not a business out there that wouldn't kill to have Microsoft's profit to expense ratio | Aug 21 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's financial trouble as I see it, mainly extends from squandering on obvious boondoggles | Aug 21 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | $720 US dollars you mean? | Aug 21 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | like, if you figure the exchange rate? | Aug 21 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | what edition of Vista? | Aug 21 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | even the Ultimate Edition here is like $279 if you get it retail | Aug 21 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying to get rid of their remaining OEM licenses though, a lot of places are throwing in a free copy of Vista with purchase of a hard drisk | Aug 21 09:35 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Trusting Mono While Microsoft Attacks GNU/Linux Left and Right http://ping.fm/kVzi9 | Aug 21 09:49 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's profitability in software is ending, so it tried moving to hardware (XBox, Zune) and failed miserably. Now it's trying a new type of product... not a tangible type. SCO tried this too. | Aug 21 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | if the judgement from i4i stands, they'll have lost almost a billion dollars jsut between them and Uniloc | Aug 21 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | something about glass houses and stones kind of comes to mind | Aug 21 09:58 |
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| _goblin | DaemonFC: What does the FC part of your handle stand for? | Aug 21 10:10 |
| schestowitz | He also used to go by the name DaemonXP | Aug 21 10:11 |
| _goblin | I ask because yesterdays failure had FC in his handle... | Aug 21 10:11 |
| _goblin | I thought maybe it was some sort of club... | Aug 21 10:11 |
| _goblin | the "Fud Club" | Aug 21 10:12 |
| _goblin | *sorry no he didnt, it was FA.... | Aug 21 10:13 |
| _goblin | still its a football theme... | Aug 21 10:13 |
| _goblin | FA - Fud Association ? | Aug 21 10:13 |
| *DaemonFC smacks _goblin with Preston Gralla | Aug 21 10:13 | |
| _goblin | puts me in mind of the Life of Brian and the "peoples front of Judea" sketch | Aug 21 10:14 |
| schestowitz | DivX Settles Yahoo Lawsuit < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/20/divx-settles-yahoo-lawsuit >. I didn't know they sued. | Aug 21 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's amazing DivX wasn't sued, honestly | Aug 21 10:14 |
| schestowitz | Preston Gralla is Ryan's colleague | Aug 21 10:15 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Since youre reading this.....what does FC stand for? | Aug 21 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | they had a less than "kosher" start | Aug 21 10:15 |
| schestowitz | It's a book club for WIndows with a tingle of veiled attacks on Linux | Aug 21 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Preston Gralla really sucks at hiding his hatred of Linux | Aug 21 10:15 |
| _goblin | dont they all? | Aug 21 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Aug 21 10:15 |
| _goblin | If Microsoft was paying for this rubbish then Id suggest they ask for a refund.... | Aug 21 10:16 |
| schestowitz | SOme play the "I use Linux, but..." card a lot better | Aug 21 10:16 |
| _goblin | I love that one. | Aug 21 10:16 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC is a WIndows user who experiments with Linux and breaks it | Aug 21 10:16 |
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| _goblin | no point trying that with Windows, its broken from the start. | Aug 21 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've never managed to break XP actually | Aug 21 10:17 |
| schestowitz | But the next version will fix everything | Aug 21 10:17 |
| schestowitz | We've always heard that | Aug 21 10:17 |
| _goblin | Im sure if the price was right.... | Aug 21 10:17 |
| _goblin | yep, it will be better next time.... | Aug 21 10:17 |
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| _goblin | I wonder which nextime they mean? | Aug 21 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | Vista chokes and dies for no reason or any reason at any moment | Aug 21 10:17 |
| _goblin | sounds like its working correctly. | Aug 21 10:18 |
| _goblin | Of course even the MS faithful will say Vista is awful since they need to pimp Vista 7 | Aug 21 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's pretty bad when the reason I've seen almost no blue screens on Vista is because it usually dies before it can print one out | Aug 21 10:18 |
| _goblin | see? | Aug 21 10:19 |
| _goblin | So DaemonFC: would you recommend people stay with XP then? | Aug 21 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | what? I've been trash talking Vista since before it was even released | Aug 21 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's never even come close to working right | Aug 21 10:19 |
| _goblin | that was not the question. | Aug 21 10:19 |
| _goblin | So DaemonFC: would you recommend people stay with XP then? | Aug 21 10:19 |
| _goblin | if XP is as great as you suggest (unbreakable) | Aug 21 10:20 |
| _goblin | I'll quote your advice. | Aug 21 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | meh, it works, it's still supported for a while | Aug 21 10:20 |
| _goblin | please answer the question. | Aug 21 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | you don't really "have" to do anything for 5 more years | Aug 21 10:20 |
| _goblin | lol | Aug 21 10:21 |
| _goblin | like talking to a politician | Aug 21 10:21 |
| _goblin | yes or no - DaemonFC: Would you recommend people stay with XP? | Aug 21 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | vs.? | Aug 21 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | going to Vista or 7? | Aug 21 10:21 |
| _goblin | 7.....please don't play the fool.... | Aug 21 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, stay with XP if that's the choice | Aug 21 10:22 |
| _goblin | eh? What other choice do you suggest? | Aug 21 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | whatever happens to work best for you of course | Aug 21 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | now that's a politician | Aug 21 10:23 |
| _goblin | lol... | Aug 21 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 won't be long lived anyway you know? | Aug 21 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | I give it 2 years, 3 at the most | Aug 21 10:23 |
| _goblin | I know...MS will want to sell 8 | Aug 21 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Vista probably won't even be out of support when they replace 7 | Aug 21 10:23 |
| _goblin | can't have happy customers using their OS for a long time. | Aug 21 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | it jsut feels like one of those plucky interim releases | Aug 21 10:24 |
| _goblin | lol...what was Vista then? | Aug 21 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | what XP would have been if it never got any service packs | Aug 21 10:24 |
| _goblin | Vista - "A cancerous pollip on the anus of humanity" (not my words) | Aug 21 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | they released some service packs for Vista but none of them exactly overhauled it | Aug 21 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | XP SP2 was some pretty major surgery | Aug 21 10:25 |
| _goblin | and? | Aug 21 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think anyone remembers jsut how bad XP RTM was | Aug 21 10:26 |
| _goblin | I do. | Aug 21 10:26 |
| _goblin | and it wasnt. | Aug 21 10:26 |
| _goblin | or certainly not to the extent of Vista | Aug 21 10:26 |
| _goblin | you forget Im not some young pup. | Aug 21 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | it was pretty much the same complaints as Vista | Aug 21 10:26 |
| _goblin | no it wasnt. | Aug 21 10:26 |
| _goblin | in the case of ME it was. | Aug 21 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | "It doesn't work right on my Pentium 166!" was actually more comical | Aug 21 10:27 |
| _goblin | Up until Vista, I'd been running with Windows from ver 3. | Aug 21 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | I actually heard of XP RTM driving people back to Windows 98 | Aug 21 10:27 |
| _goblin | dual booting since XP.... | Aug 21 10:27 |
| _goblin | and no....98 was poor too. | Aug 21 10:27 |
| _goblin | I was there. | Aug 21 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | so to an extent it's the same deal every release, some people jsut have nothing but problems out of the new version | Aug 21 10:28 |
| _goblin | no its not. | Aug 21 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | that never really tapered off with Vista is what I'm saying | Aug 21 10:28 |
| _goblin | it never tapered off with Vista because the issues continued. | Aug 21 10:28 |
| _goblin | just like ME | Aug 21 10:28 |
| _goblin | just like Windows Mobile. | Aug 21 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | XP was pretty massive and bloated and slow by 2001 standards | Aug 21 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's considered pretty minimal now though | Aug 21 10:28 |
| _goblin | no it wasnt.....certainly not proportionate to Vista. | Aug 21 10:29 |
| _goblin | there was not the issues that Vista had. | Aug 21 10:29 |
| _goblin | *were | Aug 21 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | Vista had a lot of inappropriate self-serving crap introduced by Microsoft and the RIAA types | Aug 21 10:29 |
| _goblin | and that won't change. | Aug 21 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | that was the cause of a lot of the performance problems | Aug 21 10:29 |
| _goblin | do you think MS is going to drop its DRM relationship? | Aug 21 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | the reason you're seeing Windows 7 perform better than Vista isn't because that stuff is gone, it's because it's not as heavy | Aug 21 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | but there's actually more of it | Aug 21 10:30 |
| _goblin | yes, lets look at the performs better.... | Aug 21 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | so the problems with Windows 7 aren't really technical, they're manufactured | Aug 21 10:31 |
| _goblin | have you seen the mainstream press and their comparisons? | Aug 21 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | the result of DRM intentionally interfering with you | Aug 21 10:31 |
| _goblin | 7 is not the warp speed OS that people want you to believe...... | Aug 21 10:31 |
| _goblin | DX10? | Aug 21 10:31 |
| _goblin | lol | Aug 21 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | DirectX 11 actually | Aug 21 10:31 |
| _goblin | yep typo | Aug 21 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | I dunno, in some ways it's better is what I mean | Aug 21 10:32 |
| _goblin | how? | Aug 21 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | I don't fall asleep on the keyboard waiting for file transfers | Aug 21 10:32 |
| _goblin | neither do I | Aug 21 10:32 |
| _goblin | and I'm not running any Microsoft Coad(sic) | Aug 21 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | Vista was godawful with network file transfers | Aug 21 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | progress bars that moved across the screen a half centimeter at a time | Aug 21 10:33 |
| _goblin | yes but just because Vista is awful doesnt mean that 7 is great....its simply what should have been released from day 1 | Aug 21 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of that was because of the Remote Differential Compression service | Aug 21 10:33 |
| _goblin | lol | Aug 21 10:33 |
| _goblin | nice words.... | Aug 21 10:33 |
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| _goblin | I see them used when someone wants to convince me of a new 7 feature. | Aug 21 10:34 |
| _goblin | make it sound technical - people wont use Google......... | Aug 21 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | bite your knuckles wondering if an hour later, your 100 MB file would find its way to the XBOX or if the bar would turn RED and spit out a "FAIL" message | Aug 21 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | fun times | Aug 21 10:34 |
| *schestowitz is familiar with the fraudulent talking point about XP RTM being as bad as Vista | Aug 21 10:34 | |
| _goblin | Roy, MS cant have happy XP customers....theres no money to be made there. | Aug 21 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | search through the event log trying to perform an autopsy | Aug 21 10:35 |
| _goblin | Mind you, DaemonFC says people should stay with XP... | Aug 21 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | try shutting down system services that were started or stopped around the time the error happened | Aug 21 10:35 |
| _goblin | so from a Windows user that has some worth. | Aug 21 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | see if that helps or if it kills something else | Aug 21 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | grind your teeth, cuss at the screen, call the support line | Aug 21 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | get some knuckle dragging tool on the other end of the line that speaks about 10 words of English | Aug 21 10:37 |
| *schestowitz thinks that Anne Butterworth would buy a new PC because it's saddled with VIsta 7, which offers the Differential Asynchronous Multi-layer Rendering Compression. Or IOW, maybe -- just maybe -- less lag (than Vista, which is rubbish anyway) | Aug 21 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: DaemonFC has been promoting WIndows in this channel for like 6 months | Aug 21 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | seriously though, I'm certain I could feel my beard growing while Vista was trying to copy a file to or from another networked system | Aug 21 10:38 |
| schestowitz | He only keeps careful because he got banned so many times | Aug 21 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft talking point: VIsta is so bad, so you really need VIsta 7 | Aug 21 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe, just to mess with you, your wifi cuts out right before the transfer is done and you have to go find an ethernet cable | Aug 21 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Another one is: we called Linux a "Cancer", but now we give it a patch because we have no other choice | Aug 21 10:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, microsoft isnt wrong | Aug 21 10:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | vista really _is_ bad enough you need 7 | Aug 21 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Buy the new Office because it has ribbons | Aug 21 10:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im almost wondering if they intentionally botched vista | Aug 21 10:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | just so you have to buy it twice | Aug 21 10:40 |
| schestowitz | [oh, and shiny blue background behind the document, which BTW OOo can do too] | Aug 21 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | need something, not really sure what, already have a spare XP x64 laying around | Aug 21 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | everyone else can have all the fun they want with Windows 7 | Aug 21 10:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: I cant use xp64 | Aug 21 10:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | no vendor support | Aug 21 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: BS | Aug 21 10:40 |
| schestowitz | It's not a question of which VERSION | Aug 21 10:40 |
| schestowitz | There are OTHER OSes | Aug 21 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | not in so many words really | Aug 21 10:40 |
| schestowitz | That's why it's spin | Aug 21 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | you can use Vista drivers in it sometimes | Aug 21 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pretends that Vista 7 should be compared to WIndows | Aug 21 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's really how I got it working | Aug 21 10:41 |
| schestowitz | It's a decoy. People should be told about the /real/ choices | Aug 21 10:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I didnt imply that, however | Aug 21 10:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im just saying, if you need to use windows, vista really does suck | Aug 21 10:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | 7 really is an improvement | Aug 21 10:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | its 5 years too late, but its an improvement | Aug 21 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does not market Xbox 360 by saying it's better than Xbox | Aug 21 10:41 |
| schestowitz | That's because it cannot hide presence of competition from the Japanese giants | Aug 21 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | yes, an improvement in the sense that Vista was three steps back from XP, and 7 is one step forward from Vista | Aug 21 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: KDE4 is better | Aug 21 10:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Aug 21 10:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: kde4 sucks | Aug 21 10:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | not that Im saying gnome is better | Aug 21 10:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I've yet to meet a desktop environment I like | Aug 21 10:42 |
| schestowitz | VIsta 7 mimics KDE4 | Aug 21 10:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but I dont like 7 either | Aug 21 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | not that way, anyways | Aug 21 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | I really don't see where | Aug 21 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well, apparently aero7 is kde4 | Aug 21 10:43 |
| schestowitz | U.S. Gets First Internet Addiction Center < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/20/us-gets-first-internet-addiction-center > | Aug 21 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont see where, but roy isnt the first to say it | Aug 21 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | they both have desktop effects? | Aug 21 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: probably | Aug 21 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Why can't people just lave the PC? | Aug 21 10:43 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I'd _love_ to leave the PC | Aug 21 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | its fucking shit | Aug 21 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | just give me android with a xterm | Aug 21 10:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd be happy | Aug 21 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhhm | Aug 21 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Watch the language | Aug 21 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Android doesn't even have the gnu toolchain | Aug 21 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | Just give me an etch a sketch and I'll be happier than I would be with Android | Aug 21 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | turn it upside down and shake to reboot | Aug 21 10:44 |
| schestowitz | It's DRM with some Linux around it /sarcasm | Aug 21 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | and life is good again | Aug 21 10:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was playing with android in virtualbox | Aug 21 10:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a lot better than people make it out to be | Aug 21 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | Android is not going anywhere | Aug 21 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | I cant imagine people using it on a cell phone.... then again, I cant imagine people using cell phones | Aug 21 10:45 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: its going much further than Winmob... | Aug 21 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | it was vaporware that turned into a pipe dream that stalled out after like three people bought into it | Aug 21 10:45 |
| _goblin | at least it works | Aug 21 10:45 |
| _goblin | an unhappy Winmob user (on the MDA mail) | Aug 21 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | I've only seen one person with a Windows Mobile phone, I played around with it, wasn't impressed | Aug 21 10:46 |
| schestowitz | UNIX @ 40 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8211355.stm | Aug 21 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | the thing was bulky and the Windows Mobile OS is just laid out all wrong | Aug 21 10:46 |
| _goblin | Played around? You should try relying on it.....big mistake, | Aug 21 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, after 5 minutes it was obvious to me he had been cheated | Aug 21 10:47 |
| schestowitz | Palm's better | Aug 21 10:47 |
| schestowitz | Even the old versions | Aug 21 10:47 |
| _goblin | infact I think the only decent MS product would have been the Xbox but since youre more likely to get a hardware failure than not and the fact that MS has made a loss on it, suggests that MS can't even get it right in the console market. | Aug 21 10:48 |
| schestowitz | I played with winmob [sic] some years back.A friend's supposedly cutting-edge phone | Aug 21 10:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft made losses in Winmob too | Aug 21 10:48 |
| schestowitz | It then hid them | Aug 21 10:48 |
| _goblin | Yeah....Ive hidden mine too... | Aug 21 10:48 |
| _goblin | best place for it..... | Aug 21 10:48 |
| schestowitz | WIlcox wrote about it: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corporate/microsoft_hides_its_mobile_and_business_apps_divisions.html | Aug 21 10:49 |
| _goblin | awfull piece of worthless code. | Aug 21 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Something'\s wrong | Aug 21 10:49 |
| _goblin | ? | Aug 21 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Was it Mary who wrote it at the time? I guess so. I thought it was also a longer report. | Aug 21 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | I saw earlier that Microsoft is trying to get the prices for Windows Mobile applications up | Aug 21 10:50 |
| _goblin | that was before I frequented MS-Watch.... | Aug 21 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | n0neXn0ne : | Aug 21 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is changing yet again the way that it will report its financials. Instead of reporting the financial results of seven business units, Microsoft now will report results of five units. The company is folding its two worst-performing divisions Microsoft Business Solutions (its business applications unit) and its Mobile and Embedded units into the Microsoft Business Division and Microsoft Home and Entertainment units, respect | Aug 21 10:50 |
| schestowitz | ively. Microsoft officials claim the new structure reflects the way the company is now organized into three overarching business units. We were never too good at the new math. | Aug 21 10:50 |
| schestowitz | http://tinyurl.com/5gz33t | Aug 21 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Posted by n0neXn0ne | July 24, 2008 10:01 AM | Aug 21 10:50 |
| schestowitz | So that's an update | Aug 21 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying to lure disgruntled iPhone developers with the promise of not turning their app into another 99 cent novelty | Aug 21 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 21 10:50 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Flogging a dead hourse springs to mind. | Aug 21 10:50 |
| _goblin | maybe they should rebadge and resell like they usually do... | Aug 21 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | Apple is using its market share to beat app developers and even the RIAA to death | Aug 21 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | the RIAA wanted to charge even more than they do now | Aug 21 10:51 |
| _goblin | Roy....have you ever looked into F.A.C.T? | Aug 21 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | the RIAA wants to force you to buy full albums again | Aug 21 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | cause the way it is now they can't stuff a bunch of filler tracks in and force them on you | Aug 21 10:52 |
| _goblin | I think I may do an article....since the digital Britain report want to reduce file sharing by 70% within the year....... | Aug 21 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | they're losing their ass on iTunes almost as much as they are on Bittorrent just because people snap up the 1-2 tracks they like on every album | Aug 21 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | they have to have 5 times as many customers to make the same amount of money | Aug 21 10:53 |
| _goblin | funny that there is no part of the theft act that is relevant for NG's or IRC. | Aug 21 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | and some tracks don't sell a single copy :D | Aug 21 10:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ipwp8ekbh9qwu2I_5mBIGQBCNZ9w | Aug 21 10:54 |
| schestowitz | People finally realise that law is there to serve the people, not the other way around | Aug 21 10:54 |
| _goblin | maybe that should be the advice.....get it from the NG's theres no offence for the downloader. | Aug 21 10:54 |
| _goblin | or even IRC. | Aug 21 10:54 |
| schestowitz | COpyrights were creatd to serve the people by encouraging creation | Aug 21 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Now these copyrights are used to attack people | Aug 21 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://creativebits.org/mac_os_x/5_reasons_why_preston_gralla_beats_boredom | Aug 21 10:54 |
| *DaemonFC facepalms | Aug 21 10:54 | |
| schestowitz | So the purpose was lost in translation. same with patents | Aug 21 10:54 |
| _goblin | but like all good ideas they get perverted into meeting the needs of ruthless large organizations. | Aug 21 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | no, you had a bunch of evil bastards that figured out how to usurp the system and cheat everybody | Aug 21 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | that's what happened | Aug 21 10:55 |
| _goblin | to be fair I am against piracy, however I also stand against FUD and I get annoyed that piracy is always blamed for the latest "hot potato" of crime.... | Aug 21 10:56 |
| _goblin | that is wrong..... | Aug 21 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Piracy? Where? | Aug 21 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Send some helicopters | Aug 21 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Or a torpedo | Aug 21 10:56 |
| _goblin | shiver me timbers..... | Aug 21 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I5dVBezF9k | Aug 21 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | Video pirates!!! | Aug 21 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Mac users also know Gralla's spiel | Aug 21 10:57 |
| _goblin | I always wanted to be a pirate as a child.... | Aug 21 10:57 |
| schestowitz | He's more stupid than Enderle | Aug 21 10:57 |
| _goblin | the nautical variety | Aug 21 10:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good video | Aug 21 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | I like what my dad said "It was different when they were using the best media that current technology allowed and the media would just wear out" | Aug 21 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | he doesn't see anything wrong with downloading a copy of something he had on a cassette tape or what have you | Aug 21 11:02 |
| schestowitz | "A few days ago, Kyle Brady sent over his blog post wondering if the world would eventually move to a single currency. His suggestion would be that it would be based on the Euro, though can you just imagine the political uproar in the US if anyone actually took a step in that direction?" http://techdirt.com/articles/20090820/0230575943.shtml | Aug 21 11:06 |
| schestowitz | There are already laws here requiring using the metric system for weights | Aug 21 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: lolololfail | Aug 21 11:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | doesnt he know about the amero? | Aug 21 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Amero??? Amero????? Amero!!!! Conspiracy theorist!!!!!! | Aug 21 11:07 |
| schestowitz | ;-p | Aug 21 11:07 |
| schestowitz | NAFTA | Aug 21 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Sheesh | Aug 21 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it'll ever go that far | Aug 21 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | but in practice, we've already let foreign countries bleed us to death | Aug 21 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | and now they're bitching that they can't siphon a few more ounces of blood | Aug 21 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | mostly the Mexicans wanting to be able to operate their trucks on our roads | Aug 21 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | and the Canadians mad about the Buy American provisions in the stimulus even though Canadian provinces only source from Canadian companies | Aug 21 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Not the way I see it.... | Aug 21 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | they want us to give, give, give and never stop to ask what they've done for us lately | Aug 21 11:10 |
| schestowitz | From what I've learned, mabour-wise it's already done | Aug 21 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Free transformation of job locations and thus wages | Aug 21 11:10 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Windows is manufactured in Costa Rica or something | Aug 21 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | you mean capitalism chasing down the cheapest, most exploitable labor | Aug 21 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | and working them to death and throwing them away when they're done | Aug 21 11:11 |
| schestowitz | YEs. Degrading wages | Aug 21 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | dumping anything they like into the air and water | Aug 21 11:11 |
| schestowitz | When there's no competition or this type of competition, then it's like sweat shop era | Aug 21 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | moving to countries where there are no laws to protect workers or the environment | Aug 21 11:12 |
| schestowitz | People fought for many decades to establish rules to fefend workers | Aug 21 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | then when it's time to make cutbacks, they hand us crap like the Kyoto Protocol | Aug 21 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | which exempts all the worst offenders | Aug 21 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | and demands that we make all the cutbacks | Aug 21 11:12 |
| schestowitz | All that is being lost because William Gates, Intel, Abramoff and other cronies that work with Clinton are signing stuff like NAFTA and creatihg HB-1s | Aug 21 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | HB-1's are being abused, and are not being used for what they were originally intended for | Aug 21 11:13 |
| schestowitz | What for? | Aug 21 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | they're being doled out as political favors to heavy campaign investors | Aug 21 11:13 |
| schestowitz | [originally] | Aug 21 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | several reasons | Aug 21 11:13 |
| schestowitz | I like it when a professor says what I've argued for years: | Aug 21 11:14 |
| schestowitz | http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Biology/7-012Fall-2004/VideoLectures/detail/embed20.htm | Aug 21 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Smoking is to kill people early | Aug 21 11:14 |
| schestowitz | No retirement, more taxation on tobacco | Aug 21 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Good for them | Aug 21 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | then why are they taxing the hell out of them? | Aug 21 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | they should give them away free | Aug 21 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | tell people it's good for them | Aug 21 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Black people similarly complained about issues of healthcare and obersity | Aug 21 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Smoking kills over half a million per year in the US alone | Aug 21 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but not in the right way | Aug 21 11:14 |
| schestowitz | It murdered some of my family too, and smoking is still not prohibited | Aug 21 11:15 |
| schestowitz | They hardly even warn about it in the US | Aug 21 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | if you're going to off millions of people, you typically don't want them to die slowly over years of expensive medical procedures | Aug 21 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Is smoking in US pubs still permitted? | Aug 21 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Cause it kills 60-80k per year, second hand smoking /alone/ that is | Aug 21 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | some, depends on state and local laws | Aug 21 11:15 |
| schestowitz | The UK has new laws forbidding smoking almost everywhere | Aug 21 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's no federal law against it | Aug 21 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | and it's wrecking the business for the bar owners too | Aug 21 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Not even in CA? | Aug 21 11:16 |
| schestowitz | I heard that even in the streets smoking if frowned upon | Aug 21 11:16 |
| schestowitz | A friend from there told me this in 2002 | Aug 21 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | not sure, it's jsut a patchwork of "Here it's legal, there it's not" | Aug 21 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | like it's legal where I am, but 25 miles north in Ft Wayne, it's a $100 fine | Aug 21 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Fine. | Aug 21 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's pretty easy to evade the fine though | Aug 21 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | the law says "smoking IN the bar" | Aug 21 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | so the bar I go to sometimes has a covered deck out back | Aug 21 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's technically outside | Aug 21 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm OK with that, as long as I don't have to smoke their cigarette, whatever | Aug 21 11:18 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/orcmid/statuses/3417987624 "@dpawson Yes, I'm the Secretary of the ODF Interoperability and Conformance (OIC) TC. The Fraunhofer work interest me too. 6:36 PM Aug 19th from TwInbox in reply to dpawson, Dennis E. Hamilton" | Aug 21 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Meh. | Aug 21 11:18 |
| schestowitz | He's too cozy with the Microsoft crowd sometimes. | Aug 21 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | I happen to think that anything that you do to yourself or another consenting right minded adult should be out of the state's jurisdiction | Aug 21 11:19 |
| schestowitz | True. | Aug 21 11:19 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Aug 21 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Second-hand smoking is the issue | Aug 21 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | the idea that there can be a crime committed where you are the perpetrator and the victim is ludicrous | Aug 21 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Another is pollution where factories and their fumes affect everything | Aug 21 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I mean, as long as they go outside, they're not hurting me | Aug 21 11:20 |
| schestowitz | My clothes used to smell like smoke every time I went out | Aug 21 11:20 |
| schestowitz | Just imagine what impact this had on people's lungs | Aug 21 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Now it's just smokeless. | Aug 21 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | I do smoke a pack of clove sigarettes sometimes | Aug 21 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | not enough to really say I'm a smoker by any means | Aug 21 11:21 |
| schestowitz | There are no smokers in my family leftl, almost | Aug 21 11:21 |
| schestowitz | THey die early | Aug 21 11:21 |
| benJIman | DaemonFC: Claiming that people should be allowed to smoke in public is like saying that suicide bombers should be allowed to blow themselves up in public. | Aug 21 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | my grandparents on my dad's side smoked 2-3 packs a day for like about 60 years | Aug 21 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | both died in their 80s | Aug 21 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Probability | Aug 21 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Not statistics per se | Aug 21 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 21 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | and they wren't exactly in great shape for the last 10 years or so | Aug 21 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | You could play Russian roulette with a 7-bullet pistol and get away with it 100 times in a row | Aug 21 11:22 |
| benJIman | I find your anecdotal evidence compelling. | Aug 21 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | benJIman, going out back where the only other people are smokers? | Aug 21 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's not bothering anyone else | Aug 21 11:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's like people who believe in prayer | Aug 21 11:23 |
| schestowitz | They should be taught statistics and medicine | Aug 21 11:23 |
| schestowitz | "I prayed for my uncle and he survived. Therefore I believe in a God" | Aug 21 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | as long as they're not harassing me, they can believe whatever they want and I don't care | Aug 21 11:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSx0UQBPPo8&NR=1 | Aug 21 11:24 |
| benJIman | DaemonFC: I have no problem with people smoking in designated areas or on their own private property. In fact I disagree with drug prohibition. | Aug 21 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | most of them are just misguided, some of them are truly depraved and looking for justification | Aug 21 11:24 |
| benJIman | But I do have a problem with smokers forcing me to breathe their smoke. | Aug 21 11:24 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, those showboaters are just doing it all for the money | Aug 21 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | that Hell House guy is all theater and he charges an admission I'm sure | Aug 21 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's a business | Aug 21 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's no different than going and watching a slasher movie but he puts a "Christian" spin on it | Aug 21 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | talk about a bullshit artist | Aug 21 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. The ODF Web site is getting spam like (headlines): "Anal sex video free download" | Aug 21 11:34 |
| schestowitz | It's entering the RSS feeds | Aug 21 11:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: watch the whole programme. It's well made (Channel 4) | Aug 21 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | Exodus in Microsoft is now something that the employees talk about in blogs like mini-msft. They are demoralised, which spirals into all sorts of issues. | Aug 21 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Employees fired for testifying about Xbox fires... isn't this a violation of the law? The guy was sacked for saying the truth and potentially saving people's loves by doing so. IIRC, he said he would sue over his firing [no pun intended]. | Aug 21 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Seen this 1 hour ago:: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ipwp8ekbh9qwu2I_5mBIGQBCNZ9w "Pirate Party swashbuckles into Finnish politics - The Pirate Party, which first rose to prominence in Sweden during June's European elections, has now been officially launched in Finland, the group's leader said on Wednesday." | Aug 21 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | not illegal | Aug 21 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | at-will employment | Aug 21 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | they owe him unemployment compensation for 8 months or until he finds a new job | Aug 21 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Great news for KDE 4.3: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/08/kde-set-to-be-default-for-open.html | Aug 21 12:03 |
| schestowitz | http://dbzer0.com/blog/interoperability-my-arse "Roy says it best about the new Windows 7 installation. Once more, for all their rhetoric, Microsoft’s actions show yet again that they don’t care about interoperability or playing nice with anyone else. All they care is maintaining their desktop monopoly and part of that tactic is not making it easy at all to setup a dual boot setup." | Aug 21 12:05 |
| schestowitz | "Because MS has been blabbing about “interoperability” for the last few years and they need to be called on their bullshit at some point. Their rhetoric has never been honest and their actions prove it again and again." | Aug 21 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | you can have the Windows bootloader boot into Linux | Aug 21 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | I've done it before | Aug 21 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, Wubi operates that way by design | Aug 21 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Is this new? WineXS – Simple graphical environment to configure Wine < http://www.ubuntugeek.com/winexs-simple-graphical-environment-to-configure-wine.html > | Aug 21 12:15 |
| ziggyfish | question, why does wine always look like the applications come from windows 95 or 3.1? | Aug 21 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | because Wine doesn't have the theming system of XP or Vista | Aug 21 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | probably really the least of their worries | Aug 21 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541205,00.html | Aug 21 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | Court Expected to Send Runaway Teen Home Despite Muslim Honor Killing Fears | Aug 21 12:27 |
| schestowitz | "Honor Killing" is sucha cheeky term\ | Aug 21 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Text for tombstone. Died on [date] for honour | Aug 21 12:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "China to debate 2030 emission cuts deadline" < http://ping.fm/oVgWw > This is worth negotiating. Progress, alas. | Aug 21 12:36 | |
| schestowitz | "Women in Uganda are economically disempowered and reduced to commodities by the practice known as 'bride price'. It's got to stop, says Evelyn Schiller from the women and children's rights organisation Mifumi" http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/katineblog/2009/aug/18/money-women | Aug 21 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Nice photos: Women in Uganda are economically disempowered and reduced to commodities by the practice known as 'bride price'. It's got to stop, says Evelyn Schiller from the women and children's rights organisation Mifumi | Aug 21 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Aug 21 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Nice photos: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/08/20/Night-Out-on-the-Main | Aug 21 12:39 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/14583/fixing_linux (Fixing Linux) | Aug 21 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's the problem, people think "equality laws" do anything | Aug 21 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | all it means is that they can still discriminate as long as they don't officially say that's why they are | Aug 21 12:41 |
| schestowitz | CFTC Withdraws Two No-Action Letters Granting Relief from Federal Speculative Position Limits on Soybeans, Corn and Wheat Contracts http://www.cftc.gov/newsroom/generalpressreleases/2009/pr5695-09.html | Aug 21 12:42 |
| schestowitz | "AIG had over $12 trillion dollars of CDS's and these two firms have a combined total of over $14.1 TRILLION. " http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/08/jp-morgan-and-goldman-sachsgambling.html | Aug 21 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | "equality laws" amount to little more than political favors that politicians dole out, they usually do more harm than good | Aug 21 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | they create a two-tiered society where one group has been called "special" and where they're "protected" more than the rest of that society | Aug 21 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | they create more ill will towards people in that group | Aug 21 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's like affirmative action that led to "diversity quotas" and "token minorities" | Aug 21 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | and "hate crimes" which make it twice as illegal to commit a crime against that minority | Aug 21 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the downright bleeding heart liberal crap | Aug 21 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | the kind of crap like the case of that girl whose family will most definitely beat or kill her, but the state hands her back anyway in the name of political correctness | Aug 21 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | far be it from the state to listen to a child who tells them in all seriousness that their family will literally kill them | Aug 21 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | watch it be in the news next month that the girl's family beat her to death or something after Child Protective Services hands her back | Aug 21 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Jon Stewart has a good bit here on the 'free' market(R) http://www.livevideo.com/video/embedLink/0AA2E82F90D74BA2BEDE070EC465919D/1031899/goldman-sachs-parody.aspx | Aug 21 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | CPS is a joke, they actively endanger children by forcing them to remain with abusive families | Aug 21 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | I reported my step dad to CPS cause he was abusing my brother and I couldn't do anything else about it and they CALLED the SOB like 24 hours beforehand | Aug 21 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | and told him they would be coming the next day for an inspection of the house | Aug 21 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | gave him and my mother just enough time to threaten him into shutting up | Aug 21 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | that guy was an animal, even calling him that isn't really getting the picture across, he beats up women and kids, he's scum | Aug 21 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | I had to tell him I'd deal with him myself if he kept that up | Aug 21 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | I just have to stand in awe whenever some douchebag liberal gets up and defends Child Protective Services and that's kind of why | Aug 21 12:55 |
| schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/08/21/mono-nono-ahead-of-the-game/ Jason is suggesting that Microsoft invitation to OIN is his idea. False. | Aug 21 12:55 |
| schestowitz | OIN had Microsoft invited YEARS ago. | Aug 21 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | Mono is a steaming pile of fail even without the patent issues because it's not even close to being compatible with .Net | Aug 21 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | nobody is going to seriously use Mono for that reason alone | Aug 21 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | there's like what? One substantial Linux application that uses Mono (Banshee) | Aug 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | openSUSE to default to KDE < http://lwn.net/Articles/347859/ > | Aug 21 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's not really a justification for the entire runtime | Aug 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Banshee mostly | Aug 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Big team assigned to it | Aug 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | fspot umbrella too envisioned | Aug 21 12:59 |
| schestowitz | And Moon Lie integration of some level | Aug 21 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | so why is Microsoft supporting the white trash cousin of .Net? | Aug 21 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | what do they get out of that part? | Aug 21 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | KDE isn't real big on Mono | Aug 21 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | why are they going after it? | Aug 21 13:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I suppose they can just port all their Mono apps to QT | Aug 21 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | is there a QT#? | Aug 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Supergamer has been "ammunition" against claims that Linux and gaming are anomalous. One can spend days or months on this dual-layer DVD. | Aug 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | We need to give this more exposure | Aug 21 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | oh, there is | Aug 21 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | never noticed it | Aug 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: there are hooks for C# | Aug 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | No project that I know uses it | Aug 21 13:04 |
| schestowitz | I can't name a single Qt programme that uses Microsoft anything | Aug 21 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | KDE on Windows is kind of amusing | Aug 21 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | not really sure why they're doing it | Aug 21 13:05 |
| schestowitz | SDL competition - here I come! < http://www.brighthub.com/hubfolio/matthew-casperson/blog/archive/2009/07/02/sdl-competition-here-i-come.aspx > | Aug 21 13:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: some Linux users who are forced to use WIndows at work | Aug 21 13:09 |
| schestowitz | One key developers abandoned this idea | Aug 21 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | I tried it, the apps crash more than they work | Aug 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll revisit it when kde4/5 have 100+ million users :-p | Aug 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Prototype/proof of concept owing to Qt cross-platform | Aug 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | It's good to have for later | Aug 21 13:10 |
| schestowitz | When KDE expands to these platforms | Aug 21 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice to have a complete KDE shell replacement option | Aug 21 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | for Windows that is | Aug 21 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has supported alternate shells since always | Aug 21 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | the kind of stuff that ends up landing is usually worse than Explorer though | Aug 21 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | I used to use LiteStep just because Windows 98's shell leaked resources like a sieve | Aug 21 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | the alternate shell option on Windows has really stalled out since Explorer stopped leaking and crashing like crazy | Aug 21 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Heh. We made FP of LinuxToday | Aug 21 13:13 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even notice | Aug 21 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft actually sabotaged Windows 95 at one point | Aug 21 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | IE 5 replaced the common controls dll with one that leaked lots of resources anytime you opened and closed a window | Aug 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | the solution was to go to dos and copy the common controls dll that shipped with the beta of IE 5 | Aug 21 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | I never did figure out why they would do something like that, I assume it was to prod you to 98, at least I couldn't see something that obvious getting past their QA people | Aug 21 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | the version that shipped with IE 5.5 did not fix the issue | Aug 21 13:16 |
| schestowitz | DOes anyone here do Blender? http://www.packtpub.com/article/character-head-modeling-in-blender-part2 (Character Head Modeling in Blender: Part 2) | Aug 21 13:17 |
| schestowitz | I really want to try it sometimes. I used POV-Ray a few years ago | Aug 21 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | I toyed around with it at one point because I was playing around with the applications Canonical had selected for the Open CD | Aug 21 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | it is really far too powerful for anything I'd do | Aug 21 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | the only app that they had on the entire disc that would mean anything at all to a Windows user was Firefox, possibly Thunderbird | Aug 21 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | their VLC was missing libdvdcss | Aug 21 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 21 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | at the time, the biggest reason to have VLC was to play DVDs because Windows would try to hit you up for the extra $40 for PowerDVD if you tried playing one, unless you had the extremely rare Media Center Edition | Aug 21 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes a drive would include a crippleware edition of PowerDVD or something, but I buy most of my stuff as OEM parts | Aug 21 13:21 |
| schestowitz | tessier: http://dag.wieers.com/blog/centos-48-finally-there | Aug 21 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think that they basically lost their chance to scalp Windows users when they left OpenOffice out and crippled VLC | Aug 21 13:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] More tips getting Windows refund in UK http://is.gd/2rMwI http://is.gd/2rMxp the additional EULA terms make Windows a "faulty component"! | Aug 21 13:23 | |
| DaemonFC | other than that it was just a real expensive way to burn Firefox to a CD | Aug 21 13:23 |
| schestowitz | 40 years of Unix < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8205976.stm > | Aug 21 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how many people take the refund and keep using XP | Aug 21 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | now there's something I would probably do | Aug 21 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | how do you prove you're destroyed it? | Aug 21 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | *you've | Aug 21 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | "It just kept growing" | Aug 21 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | of course I guess that describes every program | Aug 21 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Xp is worthless | Aug 21 13:27 |
| schestowitz | When the Contribution Model Fails < http://bushweed.blogspot.com/2009/08/when-contribution-model-fails.html > | Aug 21 13:27 |
| schestowitz | If you want XP, then get LinuxXP or PCLOS | Aug 21 13:28 |
| schestowitz | WIne is mature now | Aug 21 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | "SecuROM has detected a debugger" or "Please insert the valid game disc" | Aug 21 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | I was still getting those frequently the last time I tried it | Aug 21 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | Wine makes very little attempt to try and run copy protected games, it has some routines for defeating really old versions of MacroVision Safedisc | Aug 21 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | Gee, just what I always wanted to play, The Sims.......:D | Aug 21 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | their whole angle over that is "We don't wanna be sued", I think it's more like "We want to sell you our commercial product" | Aug 21 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | cause Crossover Games doesn't seem to fall over and die when I insert my Oblivion disc | Aug 21 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | Wine does | Aug 21 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | so in a way, Wine is becoming about as useful in practical terms as checking out from Cedega-CVS :P | Aug 21 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | you might get Office XP installed though | Aug 21 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | the only games I've managed to get it to run are the oddballs that aren't coated in DRM | Aug 21 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | or which at least install so as to where I can get a no-disc fixed EXE | Aug 21 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Yum. http://danlynch.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/pardus2009_39.png | Aug 21 13:34 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 looks nice | Aug 21 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | "It's a 7 year old feature request." rofl | Aug 21 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | "But seriously, in the commercial world, people lose their jobs for taking over a month to implement features like this." | Aug 21 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's a GNU project, as long as it does what they want it to do, you can go screw yourself | Aug 21 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | even if you submit a patch | Aug 21 13:37 |
| schestowitz | "Most linux distros come with prebuilt kernel that aims to support as much hardware as possible and kernels are constantly evolving and upgraded with new inclusions to support for latest hardware." http://sglnx.com/2009/08/linux-kernel-in-a-nutshell/ | Aug 21 13:38 |
| schestowitz | seems like a book advert of sorts | Aug 21 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen this kind of attitude from them on other things too | Aug 21 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | includign a GMediaServer problem that they were presented with a patch for three years ago | Aug 21 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | that you still have to apply yourself | Aug 21 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | the kicker over that particular problem is that the patch doesn't even affect anything else in the program, so it's not even like it could break anything | Aug 21 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Shane (Shill) O'Neill can't help starting with Windows, as usual. http://www.cio.com/article/499135/Penguins_Lizards_and_Apple_s_X_Factor_How_Famous_OS_Logos_Got_Started | Aug 21 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | it just lets it stream media to an XBOX 360 | Aug 21 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | I have to kind of see that as just being bitter | Aug 21 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | you email them politely asking why and never get a response | Aug 21 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | a tumbleweed blows by | Aug 21 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | it seems it's always something with them | Aug 21 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | for that particular reason I therefore depended on Windows Media Player | Aug 21 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | which kind of needs Windows | Aug 21 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why GNU projects reject trivial patches jsut because it lets their program interface with something made by Microsoft | Aug 21 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's times like that I really just have to chalk it up to penis envy | Aug 21 13:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @robtlee: Why AT&T Killed Google Voice http://bit.ly/WBkK1 (Excellent Article On Why Telcos are EVIL) | Aug 21 13:44 | |
| DaemonFC | http://elliotth.blogspot.com/2007/12/streaming-music-to-your-xbox-360-from.html | Aug 21 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | someone else stumbled onto GMediaServer and had about the same experience I did | Aug 21 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | at this point the thing amounts to another pile of unmaintained cruft that still has a homepage | Aug 21 13:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Build a Great GNU/Linux Desktop with $500 Budget http://ping.fm/Cr7Ry | Aug 21 13:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why GNU/Linux Has Already Won (Long Ago) http://ping.fm/r0XdP | Aug 21 13:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Austrumi Linux Reviewed http://ping.fm/uj2qy | Aug 21 14:01 | |
| DaemonFC | oh wow, IE 8 is almost usable with two ad blocking plugins, sheesh | Aug 21 14:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] Wonderful Review of the KDE-based Pardus Linux 2009 (from a GNOME Liver) http://ping.fm/ZiXFS | Aug 21 14:03 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've been interested in Parsix, but I'm hesitant to install Iranian software on my PC for some reason :P | Aug 21 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | it looks nicethough | Aug 21 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Oops. "Lover", not "Liver | Aug 21 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Aug 21 14:03 |
| schestowitz | GNOME Liver | Aug 21 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Organ harvesting | Aug 21 14:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Parsix is good | Aug 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I've been interested in Parsix, but I'm hesitant to install Iranian software on my PC for some reason :P | Aug 21 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but the idea it's from Iran makes me figure it's backdoored or something | Aug 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Now you know how Iran feels about Windows | Aug 21 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | well, let's see....it's from a hostile country, you're running binary code | Aug 21 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | you do the math | Aug 21 14:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CentOS is Back and Track and Version 4.8 is Out Shortly http://ping.fm/bOb0t | Aug 21 14:06 | |
| DaemonFC | maybe the source code they provide is clean but they've slipped something into the compiled binary | Aug 21 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's feasible | Aug 21 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | China backdoors its Linux distro, Red Flag | Aug 21 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | and runs you as root | Aug 21 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | being a communist dictatorship means never having to say you're sorry and revisioning history however you want | Aug 21 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 21 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, you want some realfact or the goodfact? | Aug 21 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 21 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | I happen to think that 1984 should be a required reading for every child, but there's no way the government would push it in the classroom | Aug 21 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | they don't want independent thinkers, they want conformers | Aug 21 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | they'll tell you what to think, how much to think, and when to think it | Aug 21 14:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/amazon-microsoft-and-yahoo-unite-against-google-books/ | Aug 21 14:13 |
| *schestowitz catches up | Aug 21 14:14 | |
| schestowitz | Parsix was made for schools | Aug 21 14:14 |
| schestowitz | I doubt it's malign | Aug 21 14:14 |
| schestowitz | ALso, these kids are deprived of access to CPUs | Aug 21 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Nice diplomatic moves there from the US... deciding to make the young generation too resentful | Aug 21 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Through economic and developmental sanctions | Aug 21 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | Iran may work itself out eventually | Aug 21 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | enough of them want to throw out Ahmadinejad | Aug 21 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes, 1984 is a classic. But time makes it fade from memory | Aug 21 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | the government can't run mass show trials and public executions forever | Aug 21 14:16 |
| schestowitz | There is A LOT more anti-Freedom brainwash coming from TV | Aug 21 14:16 |
| schestowitz | So the cough potato will forget about what they were taught in the classroom | Aug 21 14:16 |
| schestowitz | There's also sex content in 1984, so... | Aug 21 14:16 |
| cubezzz | things never got as bad as in 1984, people are too pessimistic | Aug 21 14:17 |
| cubezzz | lots of room for improvement of course | Aug 21 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | government has a way of sugar coating things | Aug 21 14:17 |
| cubezzz | if the book 1984 itself got banned, then I'd start to worry | Aug 21 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | China is "We shot your neighbor in the head as an enemy of the people" | Aug 21 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | the United States is "Hey, look at the new iPhone" (that ought to keep them busy for a while) | Aug 21 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 21 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | I guess we aren't so bad in comparison | Aug 21 14:18 |
| cubezzz | I'm pretty sure we did 1984 in high school | Aug 21 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm sure most of the reason Microsoft removed the WGA check from IE was because it was causing millions of people with unlicensed copies of XP to seek out Firefox :P | Aug 21 14:20 |
| cubezzz | we got Nader, we got Stallman, so no probs :) | Aug 21 14:20 |
| cubezzz | I wonder how many average people know Stallman though | Aug 21 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | mentions on Wikipedia that they did it to encourage people to upgrade for security reasons | Aug 21 14:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look Ahead at Ubuntu Linux 9.10 (Karmic) http://ping.fm/N3lOc http://ping.fm/Lf8ee | Aug 21 14:21 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, that's what people said at the time | Aug 21 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Same with BSoD (Black Screens of Death) | Aug 21 14:24 |
| schestowitz | They tried in in China | Aug 21 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Got sued massively, several times | Aug 21 14:24 |
| cubezzz | what is the Black Screen of Death? | Aug 21 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Look it up | Aug 21 14:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itnews.com.au/News/87921,chinas-evermore-office-suite-takes-off.aspx | Aug 21 14:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/10/28/chinese-copyright-cops-diss | Aug 21 14:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/28/ms_wga_china/ | Aug 21 14:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/10/22/china_fury_microsoft_wga/ | Aug 21 14:25 |
| schestowitz | The FSF is gonna launch a big campaign soon | Aug 21 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft gives ammunition with all those anti-consumer 'features' | Aug 21 14:27 |
| cubezzz | the wikipedia definition doesn't even mention piracy | Aug 21 14:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US Defense Information Systems Agency Promotes Free Software http://ping.fm/HgyRo | Aug 21 14:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FogComputing Conference Revolves Around Free software Centerpiece http://ping.fm/AeKmr | Aug 21 14:29 | |
| cubezzz | it might even end up as a positive thing, driving more people to FOSS based systems | Aug 21 14:32 |
| cubezzz | I've seen it happen actually | Aug 21 14:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Minnesota Follows California on Free Software-inspired Literature Initiative http://ping.fm/IDBD2 | Aug 21 14:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Spread of Ogg/<Video> Beneficial to GNU/Linux Uptake http://ping.fm/tx9or No wonder Apple fights against Ogg | Aug 21 14:35 | |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, it does | Aug 21 14:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oracle a Step Closer to Being Owner of Solaris, Java, MySQL, OOo... http://ping.fm/u6AIy | Aug 21 14:37 | |
| schestowitz | "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not." --Bill Gates | Aug 21 14:37 |
| cubezzz | do you know the results of the lawsuits regarding the Black Screen? | Aug 21 14:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Internet Does to Newspapers What Free Software Does to Microsoft and Apple http://ping.fm/hV8vh | Aug 21 14:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Plantronics 550 headset + Ubuntu + GTK-Recordmydesktop = screencast heaven (for me) :) | Aug 21 14:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sony Wants to Own Laughter Recognition http://ping.fm/xICI4 | Aug 21 14:42 | |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no, I wondered about that too | Aug 21 14:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple Approached Palm with "Likely Illegal" Proposition http://ping.fm/hDtRv | Aug 21 14:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Mobile Future Leaving Microsoft Well Behind http://ping.fm/5zZtW | Aug 21 14:48 | |
| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8210645.stm | Aug 21 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Glowing 'bomber worms' discovered | Aug 21 14:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former Microsoft Employee Cusses at Company, Moves to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/CLsBt | Aug 21 14:52 | |
| DaemonFC | "You don't need to be a whistle-blower to get fired from Microsoft. You just need to be on the wrong side of office politics." | Aug 21 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like everywhere I've ever worked | Aug 21 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | I find it hard to believe that they would fire someone for asking for a vacation day | Aug 21 14:54 |
| schestowitz | re BBC article. omg it's teh alienz | Aug 21 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | the decoys that those worms drop sound kind of cool | Aug 21 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | scare it and it drops a brightly glowing decoy | Aug 21 14:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] TextEdit Added ODF Support, ODF Alliance Grows http://ping.fm/pEwxO | Aug 21 14:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Smoking Guns Show Why Microsoft is Banned http://ping.fm/48hbU | Aug 21 14:58 | |
| DaemonFC | Rawhide for Fedora 12 still has Mono and Tomboy | Aug 21 14:58 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=arch_200908_benchmarks&num=1 | Aug 21 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Did you check? | Aug 21 14:59 |
| schestowitz | It's supposed to have gnote and no mono | Aug 21 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | Arch beats the crap out of Ubuntu apparently with threading and disk performance | Aug 21 14:59 |
| schestowitz | First alpha | Aug 21 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I see Tomboy in the Phoronix screenshots anyway | Aug 21 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | so that indicates Mono is still there | Aug 21 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Ubuntu kills Arch on Sqlite though | Aug 21 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sqlite is a beast anyway | Aug 21 15:01 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 9" Dell £200 at Morgan, Eee900 £170 http://is.gd/2rV6q I remain unemployed. ARGH. | Aug 21 15:18 | |
| *schestowitz watches 'The Bush Family, Money "The Root of All Evil"' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m51hKJgwQEo | Aug 21 15:20 | |
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| Omar871 | Hi | Aug 21 15:57 |
| Omar871 | Anyone here uses Arch Linux? | Aug 21 15:57 |
| Omar871 | I'm thinking of giving it a test drive sometime soon. | Aug 21 15:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: Rocknerd.org sorta viewable for the moment. http://bit.ly/7a5iS | Aug 21 15:59 | |
| schestowitz | I saw a praise of Arch today | Aug 21 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Hi, wallclimber | Aug 21 15:59 |
| wallclimber | good morning! | Aug 21 15:59 |
| neighborlee | Omar871, its not unlike gentoo , in that it wont please someone who wants a easy to use linux, but its not quite as demanding as gentoo :) | Aug 21 16:05 |
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| *DaemonFC suspects another moat cleaning is in order in schestowitz-land | Aug 21 16:06 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 21 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | hell, you're paying, right? | Aug 21 16:06 |
| Omar871 | neighborlee: Yeah, I thought so, lol. :) | Aug 21 16:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Ramadan Kareem to all Muslims. :-) | Aug 21 16:07 | |
| Omar871 | neighborlee: But I do want something I can tinker with. :D | Aug 21 16:07 |
| *DaemonFC bites his tongue | Aug 21 16:07 | |
| neighborlee | Omar871, then I think you'll like it | Aug 21 16:07 |
| *DaemonFC gives Omar871 XP and a hex editor | Aug 21 16:08 | |
| Omar871 | neighborlee: ;) | Aug 21 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | that ought to hold him for a while | Aug 21 16:08 |
| Omar871 | XP? As in Win XP? | Aug 21 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | sure | Aug 21 16:10 |
| Omar871 | LOL, so you're saying Win XP is something I can tinker with? :D | Aug 21 16:10 |
| schestowitz | He loves XP. DaemonFC is a Windows user | Aug 21 16:11 |
| schestowitz | /s/user/luser/ | Aug 21 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | I've tinkered with it | Aug 21 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | still, the thing I wonder most is why you have to crack the theming dll to use non-Microsoft approved themes | Aug 21 16:12 |
| Omar871 | DaemonFC: To what level? (E.g.: Did you even manage to get near the kernel?) | Aug 21 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | most of the Windows 2003 kernel source is available, albeit under a very restricted license | Aug 21 16:12 |
| wallclimber | Hmmm...why doesn't this surprise me? Microsoft, Yahoo, Amazon to fight Google book deal | Aug 21 16:13 |
| wallclimber | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136938/Report_Microsoft_Yahoo_Amazon_to_fight_Google_book_deal | Aug 21 16:13 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: yes, seen it | Aug 21 16:13 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna write about it later | Aug 21 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Bartzmersoft! is now a Microsoft asset | Aug 21 16:13 |
| wallclimber | It's sad. | Aug 21 16:13 |
| schestowitz | This is not the first time that Microsoft created or supports a coalition against Google in books, either directly or by proxy, as proven many times before. | Aug 21 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | a sizeable chunk of XP, Windows 2000, and NT 4 leaked out a while back | Aug 21 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was pissed | Aug 21 16:14 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: So now we can say that Amazon is becoming an MS puppet? Just like ASUS and Novell? | Aug 21 16:14 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I was gonna make posts only tonight. | Aug 21 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/15/71552/7795 | Aug 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I do it faster if I do it in a burst | Aug 21 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | Other sources already mentioned the Yahoo! role | Aug 21 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | this guy posted some of the funnier commenting | Aug 21 16:15 |
| Omar871 | DaemonFC: Exactly, It's not as free as Linux. And it'll never be, lol. :) | Aug 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | So it's not as though I an point out anything non-obvious | Aug 21 16:15 |
| cubezzz | it might be easier to say who isn't a microsoft puppet | Aug 21 16:15 |
| wallclimber | I don't understand it, really...are these book deals of Google's exclusive? Or can anyone else do the same thing? Didn't MS do some scanning too, then lost interest? | Aug 21 16:15 |
| schestowitz | In fact, there's no item of urgency so far today | Aug 21 16:15 |
| Omar871 | cubezzz: Yeah man, unfortunately. -_- | Aug 21 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | wallclimber: those book deals are bad | Aug 21 16:16 |
| wallclimber | why? | Aug 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I just don't like the convincted criminals from Redmond playing it knights on white horses | Aug 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tried to do that too | Aug 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | But because they failed, then Google is "evil" | Aug 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: book monopolies | Aug 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm not going to play alone with Microsoft talking points | Aug 21 16:17 |
| wallclimber | I see, I thought you meant the google book deals are bad | Aug 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | But those scans become GOogle property | Aug 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Like satellite data becomes a doupoly | Aug 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Until openstareetmap | Aug 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: No, I do mean that | Aug 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Project Gutenberg or the likes of it should get those deal | Aug 21 16:17 |
| schestowitz | It should be public asset | Aug 21 16:18 |
| schestowitz | To be managed like Wikipedia | Aug 21 16:18 |
| wallclimber | so, google's deals are exclusive and block others from scanning too? | Aug 21 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Wikimedia receives $500,000 from Hewlett Foundation http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/144064 | Aug 21 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is just a greedy bastard too | Aug 21 16:18 |
| schestowitz | They only complain cause they want to abuse book for their shareholders | Aug 21 16:18 |
| cubezzz | lol, libraries have had photocopiers for as long as I remember | Aug 21 16:19 |
| cubezzz | you can't block anybody | Aug 21 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, in "like Wikipedia", you mean heavily suppressed, censored, self-edited by the bad guys, and arbitrarily edited in unexplained "office" decisions? | Aug 21 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I think that Ballmer's 'penis envy' of Schmidt might lead him to impotence | Aug 21 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's one hell of a public asset alright | Aug 21 16:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: OK, WikiSource | Aug 21 16:19 |
| neighborlee | Omar871, btw there is a livecd if you dont feel like doing the geeky installer : arch I mean ;) | Aug 21 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia is crashing and burning because of that, idiots cite it blindly even in important essays without fact checking | Aug 21 16:20 |
| wallclimber | If other organizations can do the same scanning of books, like Google does, then why is it a problem? | Aug 21 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | in a real encyclopedia you shouldn't have to fact check every single sentence | Aug 21 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't recall "Penis Penis Penis" being an article in Comptons or Britannica | Aug 21 16:20 |
| wallclimber | how do those scanned books become the property of Google? | Aug 21 16:20 |
| Omar871 | neighborlee: Yeah, I know about it. :) | Aug 21 16:21 |
| neighborlee | k | Aug 21 16:21 |
| Omar871 | neighborlee: Thanks though. ;) | Aug 21 16:21 |
| neighborlee | np | Aug 21 16:21 |
| wallclimber | sorry to seem so obtuse, but it seems like there's more to this | Aug 21 16:21 |
| cubezzz | depends on the encyclopedia I'd say | Aug 21 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia = duct-tape-and-popsicle-stick-opedia | Aug 21 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 21 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | read it for amusement or unimportant issues, cite it at your peril | Aug 21 16:22 |
| Omar871 | DaemonFC: What do you mean by: "and I don't recall "Penis Penis Penis" being an article in Comptons or Britannica"? | Aug 21 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | vandals | Aug 21 16:23 |
| Omar871 | vandals? | Aug 21 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | most of them are just stupid, but some have managed to wreck entire articles in subtle ways | Aug 21 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Asimov's robot laws need updating < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529735/asimov-robot-laws-updating > | Aug 21 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | and companies tend to self-edit their own articles | Aug 21 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | not just companies, government agencies | Aug 21 16:23 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I'd have to look up the details | Aug 21 16:24 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Microsoft faild in it | Aug 21 16:24 |
| schestowitz | They tried | Aug 21 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | there's this internal clique of editors who never get reverted no matter how wrong their edit is | Aug 21 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Shut it down like a loser | Aug 21 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | and shove criticisms into their own obscure articles | Aug 21 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | yes, Microsoft does do it | Aug 21 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Enough with this Wikipedia bashing | Aug 21 16:25 |
| schestowitz | You're just resentful because of what they write on religion and homosexuality IIRC | Aug 21 16:25 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft is criticized a lot on wikipedia | Aug 21 16:26 |
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| DaemonFC | it doesn't even deserve to be bashed, it should jsut stand out how utterly craptastic it is | Aug 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia is a lot more liberal than the typical Fox thing | Aug 21 16:26 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, if anything, there's a far right-wing slant on a lot of it | Aug 21 16:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529748/americans-internet-addiction-rehab "THE FORMER BRITISH COLONY of Virginia has taken a leaf from China's little red book and rushed to create a clinic for the treatment of Internet addiction" | Aug 21 16:27 |
| cubezzz | well, I'm sure if must be a complete mix | Aug 21 16:27 |
| cubezzz | since there are so many editors | Aug 21 16:27 |
| schestowitz | [citation needed] | Aug 21 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | they use weasel wording and cite original research to make their bunk stick | Aug 21 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | everything from religious propoganda to pseudoscience | Aug 21 16:28 |
| schestowitz | FCC to vote on US mobile competition probe< http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/21/fcc_investigation/ >\ | Aug 21 16:28 |
| tacone | L'obiettivo, ancora una volta, è Mountain View. La santa alleanza tra Microsoft e Yahoo! sta per mettere nel mirino un altro pezzo pregiato dell'immenso portafoglio targato Google: | Aug 21 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | *propaganda | Aug 21 16:28 |
| cubezzz | wikipedia is ok as a starting point | Aug 21 16:28 |
| cubezzz | general info | Aug 21 16:28 |
| tacone | Target is, yet again, Mountain View. The *holy* alliance between MS and Yahoo is going to .. (blablabla) (google books) | Aug 21 16:28 |
| Eruaran | hello to all | Aug 21 16:28 |
| tacone | I'm getting tired of all this shit on generic newspapers | Aug 21 16:29 |
| schestowitz | 'The action will take place on Sunday 23 August when, according to the gotopless website (PNSFW), "topless women will rally in great numbers across the USA to protest this gross inequality in the law and will demand that they be granted the fundamental right to be topless where men already enjoy that right according to the 14th amendment of the Constitution".' | Aug 21 16:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/21/gotopless_protest_us/ | Aug 21 16:29 |
| Eruaran | oh good grief | Aug 21 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia's article on the "conversion" of homosexuals is slanted and cites original pseudoscientific research done by front groups and con artists masquerading as scientists and psychiatrists | Aug 21 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't dig into the citations, you may jsut figure it's a real field of research | Aug 21 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: `it's normal in some societies | Aug 21 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Many in fact | Aug 21 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Some are the opposite | Aug 21 16:30 |
| Eruaran | Is everybody having separate conversations with themselves tonight ? | Aug 21 16:30 |
| cubezzz | ok, I think fat slobs should be forced into shirt wearing status | Aug 21 16:30 |
| schestowitz | You can't even expose the face, if you're a lady | Aug 21 16:30 |
| cubezzz | in shape people are exempted | Aug 21 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar | Aug 21 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | what can I say? | Aug 21 16:30 |
| cubezzz | Eruaran, same as always :) | Aug 21 16:31 |
| wallclimber | Eruaran: I talk to myself a lot anyway, so it's nice to be able to do it in public :o) | Aug 21 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | Christians sensationalize and demonize and just try not to stop until everyone else thinks there's a homosexual hiding under their bed who's after their children | Aug 21 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's the main problem I have with religious types, and is precisely what's wrong with Wikipedia | Aug 21 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | turns out there's a lot of "consensus" in that group | Aug 21 16:32 |
| cubezzz | right, if you're close to the equator, then you don't have to where a shirt, next problem please :) | Aug 21 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple to offer own-brand HDTV, claims analyst < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/21/apple_branded_tvs/ > | Aug 21 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Funny how nobody complains about any single animal having its genitalia hanging. We humans are special in that we have to be ashamed of what we are, I guess. | Aug 21 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | I can see it now. They cost three times as much as a regular TV, only work with Apple Blu Ray players, and explode now and then, but they sell anyway cause everyone agrees they look cool | Aug 21 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, ever since the WOMAN gave the man the apple, that was given to her by the devil you see, who had possessed a snake | Aug 21 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | it all just makes far too much sense to ignore | Aug 21 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | and it all happened 6,000 years ago | Aug 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz | of course | Aug 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz | And that sin is what Mr. Christ was hanged | Aug 21 16:35 |
| schestowitz | God incarnated himself to be executed in an atrocious way so that we have a debt now | Aug 21 16:35 |
| cubezzz | yeah, it is hard to understand | Aug 21 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | if all this was created 6,000 years ago and light speed is a universal constant, why is there light from stars that has taken many billions of years to get here? | Aug 21 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | It's all jsut God testing us I'm sure :D | Aug 21 16:36 |
| cubezzz | I think everyone here can agree the 6,000 year thing is BS | Aug 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz | The dino skeletons-- ignore them | Aug 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz | God put em there to test our faith | Aug 21 16:36 |
| cubezzz | trilobites! | Aug 21 16:37 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Aug 21 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, better, we lived alongside the dinosaurs according to the Creationist Museum | Aug 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz | IM client library bug plagues Pidgin < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/21/im_client_security_update/ > | Aug 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz | ^new version out | Aug 21 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | at least before the IRS seized it cause the guy cheated on his taxes and owed them $400,000 | Aug 21 16:38 |
| cubezzz | I think we munched on wooly mammoths on occasion | Aug 21 16:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah... | Aug 21 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | he's a good Christian man you see? | Aug 21 16:38 |
| cubezzz | McMammoth Burgers | Aug 21 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Well, 150,000 years and 15,000,000 is just 3 digit in difference | Aug 21 16:38 |
| schestowitz | *150,000,000 | Aug 21 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | the IRS seized it because Obama is the antichrist | Aug 21 16:38 |
| schestowitz | we and dinosaurs are just (ONLY!) 3 zeroes apart in ages | Aug 21 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Imagine that. So close | Aug 21 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | and he hates white people | Aug 21 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 21 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | so there! | Aug 21 16:39 |
| cubezzz | and the trilobites were way before dinosaurs | Aug 21 16:39 |
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| cubezzz | like 250 million years ago | Aug 21 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | You know what would make the bible really cool? | Aug 21 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | Cylons! | Aug 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz | No. | Aug 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Ogres | Aug 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz | And goblins | Aug 21 16:39 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Aug 21 16:39 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, right up front though, it does state that American Psychiatric Association recommends ethical practitioners refrain from such practices. <conversion therapy> | Aug 21 16:40 |
| cubezzz | are we talking old-school or new-school cylons? | Aug 21 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | neighborlee, yeah, well, you can kill the truth, but it always comes back to haunt you | Aug 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Cylons would make sense | Aug 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz | But most enimals here came from a branch of two eyes | Aug 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz | A spare eye is handy for survival | Aug 21 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | and depth perception | Aug 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Also stereo | Aug 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it | Aug 21 16:41 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, remember something else..young people are FAR less worried about such things,,its mainly older generation, who were taught such things by parents &/or peers..its a generational divide from what Ive seen | Aug 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | We have it built is | Aug 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | We don't need to think about how to compute it | Aug 21 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | neighborlee, they grew up in a different time, before technology, and it was the only way to explain things | Aug 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | They also met God | Aug 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | He lives in a Bush | Aug 21 16:42 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, also for those citing its abhorant behavior purposely avoid fact its in the animal kingdom,which is part of gods world.so....kinda breaks their entire argument LOL | Aug 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Mind case | Aug 21 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | if we don't manage to kill ourselves, I'd imagine that in another 200-300 years, there won't be many more religious people left | Aug 21 16:42 |
| neighborlee | well | Aug 21 16:42 |
| Eruaran | Why is gotopless.org advertising for the Raelian cult ? | Aug 21 16:42 |
| neighborlee | religion on its own merits isn't bad | Aug 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | We _have_ to live to learn with one another | Aug 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise we'll become extinc | Aug 21 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | the number of religious people has always more or less corresponded to how advanced the technology was | Aug 21 16:42 |
| neighborlee | its how its practiced which can be problematic ;) | Aug 21 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | take away enough technology and even fire is magic | Aug 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: why visit gotopless.org? | Aug 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Feeling kinda dirty, aren't you? ;-) | Aug 21 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, what amuses me is that the Catholic church has scientists, even astronomers now | Aug 21 16:43 |
| Eruaran | ? | Aug 21 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Joke | Aug 21 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | people they would have burned jsut a few hundred years ago for heresy | Aug 21 16:44 |
| Eruaran | I followed the link from El Reg | Aug 21 16:44 |
| cubezzz | yeah, that must have been a crap time | Aug 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: masquerading is good | Aug 21 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | if you can't beat them, join them? | Aug 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | It's like the "I use Linux, but..." | Aug 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | "I'm a scientist, but..." | Aug 21 16:44 |
| cubezzz | you're a witch! No I'm not. You're gonna BURN | Aug 21 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | in otherwords they will always suppress anything that could be a threat to the church | Aug 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | EEE | Aug 21 16:45 |
| cubezzz | isn't that what microsoft does? | Aug 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Embrace and extend and pollute | Aug 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | I saw some videos on the Tuube | Aug 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | They go nicely explaining the big bang | Aug 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | And then...... | Aug 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | It's like whoa nelly! | Aug 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | They correlate the bang with God | Aug 21 16:45 |
| Eruaran | I read Fox's book of Martyrs many years ago | Aug 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | It's like watching some girl in a film | Aug 21 16:46 |
| schestowitz | And suddenly she turns out to be a bloke | Aug 21 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they're trying to assimilate some of what science has proven and fit it into and around what they already believe | Aug 21 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | grasping at straws | Aug 21 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Twitter tells you what twits' where http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/21/location_based_twitter/ | Aug 21 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | I might hop back onto Fedora when they get the ext4 and KDE situation situated | Aug 21 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | that looks like it may be happening in F12 | Aug 21 16:49 |
| Eruaran | That can't be far away | Aug 21 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME finally angered me past my threshold with their stupid GUI frontends for audio encoding | Aug 21 16:49 |
| Eruaran | KDE 4.3 is sexy | Aug 21 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's like they deliberately got everything but ogg Vorbis and FLAC a little bit wrong | Aug 21 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | I don't happen to think that was a coincidence | Aug 21 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Kernel contributions: Canonical, where are you? < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27089/1090/ > | Aug 21 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | SoundKonvertor on KDE works fine as long as you spend a few minutes tweaking together your own MP3 encoding profile | Aug 21 16:51 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, hmmm didnt we see that also in some blender conference ? | Aug 21 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | SoundConverter on GNOME is unsalvagable | Aug 21 16:51 |
| neighborlee | not sure whom..ton or somebody | Aug 21 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | I reported quite a few bugs in their MP3 encoding frontend to them and they still haven't fixed them | Aug 21 16:52 |
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| neighborlee | gnome always got in the way of reasoned usage imho....alt-tab for instance made sure you had no easy access to running something as root...as if being your nanny ;) | Aug 21 16:52 |
| neighborlee | which in part is why linus went to kde | Aug 21 16:52 |
| neighborlee | whie he's supposedly in gnome, he is reconsidering kde | Aug 21 16:53 |
| neighborlee | while | Aug 21 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | "Well, you see, most of our users have no interest in that feature even though it's of critical importance to a significant number of people, we removed that option for simplicity" | Aug 21 16:53 |
| wallclimber | Okay, I did some more reading and decided to read Google's side too...I still see no problem with the Google book deal. http://books.google.com/googlebooks/screenshots.html | Aug 21 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | if I hear that line of thinking again I'm going to scream | Aug 21 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | Most of GNOME works well, but they've dumbed down jsut enough of it to piss me off | Aug 21 16:54 |
| neighborlee | well I would PUT UP with it, were it not for their policy on mono | Aug 21 16:54 |
| neighborlee | deal breaker maximum ;) | Aug 21 16:54 |
| Eruaran | I was appalled by the guy who maintains the screensaver part of gnome | Aug 21 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | my favorite is the BSOD screensaver | Aug 21 16:55 |
| neighborlee | lol | Aug 21 16:55 |
| Eruaran | People wanted to be able to configure slideshow screensavers... you know, point to a folder with pictures you want to see | Aug 21 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Very cool (Blander): http://www.packtpub.com/character-head-modeling-in-blender-part1 | Aug 21 16:55 |
| schestowitz | *lender | Aug 21 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | it runs through every OS crash screen, including Linux on various architectures | Aug 21 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | the screen where it runs fsck and finds tons of filesystem corruption is hilarious | Aug 21 16:56 |
| Eruaran | His response was that any screensaver that requires configuration is "fundamentally broken" | Aug 21 16:56 |
| Eruaran | My first thought was, "your brain is fundamentally broken" | Aug 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: but Google is EVIL EVIL EVIL [says Microsoft] | Aug 21 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | "His response was [anything] that requires configuration is broken and they'll choose what's best" | Aug 21 16:56 |
| schestowitz | It has evil effect on Microsoft's ability to put bread on the table | Aug 21 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | fixed that for you | Aug 21 16:56 |
| wallclimber | lol...yes, Microsoft would know about evil :o) | Aug 21 16:56 |
| wallclimber | Amazon too | Aug 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | What's their story? | Aug 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | They just DRM book | Aug 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Bl00dy buggers | Aug 21 16:57 |
| schestowitz | DRM+software patents | Aug 21 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | I kind of see what had Linus Torvalds in a flame fest with the GNOME people but now he's saying he's back on GNOME again | Aug 21 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | I have to wonder why, because it hasn't improved any since 2006 | Aug 21 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's for damned sure | Aug 21 16:58 |
| neighborlee | faik it was over kde4 | Aug 21 16:58 |
| neighborlee | BUT he's reconsidering | Aug 21 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | he said KDE 4 was a disaster and left just before they finished cleaning it up? | Aug 21 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | that doesn't sound right, to me | Aug 21 16:58 |
| schestowitz | he tried kde 4.0.x | Aug 21 16:58 |
| Eruaran | Its because KDE4 wasnt ready for use and he had a bad experience with it (that he acknowledges may be a distro issue) | Aug 21 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora's KDE 4.0.2 was where they started | Aug 21 16:59 |
| wallclimber | I think Linus just gets bored sometimes and starts flame wars for entertainment | Aug 21 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | and it was all kinds of messed up | Aug 21 16:59 |
| neighborlee | wallclimber, heh | Aug 21 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | (he uses Fedora) | Aug 21 16:59 |
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| DaemonFC | KDE didn't warn people away from 4.0 like they should have, it should have still had a big fat "BETA" stamped on it with the usual warning | Aug 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: it doesn't matter what Google does. It's evil evil evil screaming with its hair on fire | Aug 21 17:00 |
| Eruaran | Trivia | Aug 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | As long as MS controls the US govt | Aug 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Which it still does | Aug 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | It put many minions in charge around 1998 | Aug 21 17:00 |
| Eruaran | Did you know that Atari and Commodore at one time fought over a little company called "Amiga..." | Aug 21 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, and $80,000 per song is a perfectly constitutional fine | Aug 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | It also supported the corrupt regime that brought it out of punishment | Aug 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | WHen Bush stole the election | Aug 21 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | (when 6 people in the DOJ are former RIAA lawyers) | Aug 21 17:01 |
| wallclimber | I was told by Jo Shields that my opinions didn't count, and that he knew best about what Ubuntu users needed. | Aug 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | He does | Aug 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | He's the best | Aug 21 17:01 |
| cubezzz | Eruaran, yes, I'm very familiar with that time | Aug 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Best of breed even | Aug 21 17:01 |
| wallclimber | So, I won't be using GNOME after October... | Aug 21 17:01 |
| cubezzz | Amiga isn't quite dead btw | Aug 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | See? Jo won | Aug 21 17:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm of really mixed opinion of Obama, he's not all bad, but he has some bad people that apparently have something on him | Aug 21 17:02 |
| cubezzz | check out http://softhut.com | Aug 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Another victory for Mono | Aug 21 17:02 |
| neighborlee | cubezzz, at least to those who still have some hardware its not ;) < me included > | Aug 21 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | RIAA and Microsoft people getting govt positions | Aug 21 17:02 |
| wallclimber | why is that a victory? | Aug 21 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | in areas where they regulate themselves | Aug 21 17:02 |
| Eruaran | cubezzz: I think the 80's is a fascinating period in computing history | Aug 21 17:02 |
| tacone | which vict ? | Aug 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: sarcasm | Aug 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Reverse | Aug 21 17:02 |
| cubezzz | neighborlee, there was some production recently | Aug 21 17:02 |
| neighborlee | hm | Aug 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | The pro-Mono 'zealots' drive many people away | Aug 21 17:03 |
| Eruaran | I think there was more progress in the 80's than in any decade since | Aug 21 17:03 |
| Eruaran | Think about it | Aug 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Aug 21 17:03 |
| wallclimber | lol...sorry, I'm a little dense this morning... | Aug 21 17:03 |
| cubezzz | trouble is, even amiga 4000 would be very old tech | Aug 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Has anyone seenn 'Dan O'Brian' recently? | Aug 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | It just vanished | Aug 21 17:03 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz, yeah turns out they were our best supporters lol | Aug 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | And it was based near Novell | Aug 21 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it was maybe a PR agent | Aug 21 17:03 |
| Eruaran | Look at where computers start from in 1980, and look at where they are by 1990. | Aug 21 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The reason the big business doesn't want to shut down the regulatory agencies is because if they can get their people planted there then there's still something there that looks like it's regulating them fairly and if people complain, they can still say they're regulated | Aug 21 17:04 |
| cubezzz | my zaurus has way more memory than my Amiga 500 ever did | Aug 21 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | if they just got rid of the agency, people would plainly see there was no regulation and put something there to regulate them | Aug 21 17:04 |
| Eruaran | But what the Amiga did with so little memory... | Aug 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | yes, the Video Toaster | Aug 21 17:05 |
| cubezzz | if Commodore survived and AmigaDOS was FOSS, AMiga could be as big as Linux today | Aug 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | that was some serious firepower for a mid-80's desktop computer | Aug 21 17:05 |
| Eruaran | It still had serious firepower in the early 90's | Aug 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | it continued to be used well into the late 90s | Aug 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | You want firepower, gte xbox | Aug 21 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | that's how good it was | Aug 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | It'll catch fire 6 times in a row | Aug 21 17:05 |
| cubezzz | look at David Haynie's videos, very interesting | Aug 21 17:05 |
| schestowitz | And there's waranty too | Aug 21 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | Babylon 5's visual effects were done on the Amiga's Video Toaster app | Aug 21 17:06 |
| Eruaran | I remember I had a friend who had an A1200... it ran rings around my PC | Aug 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | *warrenty | Aug 21 17:06 |
| schestowitz | *ant | Aug 21 17:06 |
| Eruaran | (I had a 486 back then) | Aug 21 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | AmigaOS 4 was good | Aug 21 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | if they had open sourced it, it would easily have overtaken Linux | Aug 21 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | at the time Linux was still very temperamental and didn't have drivers for msot hardware | Aug 21 17:06 |
| cubezzz | well, if it was open sourced in 1985 then who knows? | Aug 21 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | no, AmigaOS 4 was from the early 2000s | Aug 21 17:07 |
| Eruaran | If it was open sourced in 1985 there would have been no Windows 95 ;) | Aug 21 17:07 |
| cubezzz | no MMU in the Amiga 500 though, so it probably wouldn't have been too good | Aug 21 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/AmigaOS4.png | Aug 21 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | that's AmigaOS 4.1 | Aug 21 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | err, 4.0 | Aug 21 17:08 |
| cubezzz | right, I'm sure AmigaDOS 4+ was a million times better | Aug 21 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason they made it only for PPC | Aug 21 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | which was bonehead stupid | Aug 21 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | nobody has them and the people that do use Mac OS | Aug 21 17:08 |
| Eruaran | What about Aros ? | Aug 21 17:09 |
| cubezzz | but I bet modern linux beats AmigaDOS 4 | Aug 21 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/AmigaOS_4.1.png | Aug 21 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | 4.1 released September 2008 | Aug 21 17:09 |
| cubezzz | can you compile the kernel? :) | Aug 21 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 21 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | there's still some situations where Linux gets confused and panics | Aug 21 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | those are getting more rare though | Aug 21 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | usually a bad BIOS but they're working around those pretty well now | Aug 21 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | look in the kernel log for "AMI BIOS detected" | Aug 21 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | "BIOS may corrupt low RAM, working around it" | Aug 21 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 21 17:11 |
| Eruaran | http://aros.sourceforge.net/ | Aug 21 17:11 |
| cubezzz | yeah, aros looks like it's still around | Aug 21 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | well, ideally, everything could be scrapped and done from scratch without any legacies | Aug 21 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | but people don't tend to go along with that | Aug 21 17:12 |
| cubezzz | I can't agree, as I use old hardware | Aug 21 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | "You mean my Pentium 90 would stop working? Damn you!!!!" | Aug 21 17:13 |
| cubezzz | scrapping stuff is microsoft's style... | Aug 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | "I could have gotten another 20 years out of that with Linux!" | Aug 21 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's frugal and there's CHEAP | Aug 21 17:14 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, should I put my 10 year old _working_ scanner in a landfill? | Aug 21 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora 12 won't even support the original Pentium btw | Aug 21 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | they're targeting 32-bit x86 to i686 which means Pentium 2 and higher | Aug 21 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | for the longest time they were doign i386 and it was like "Oh god why!?" | Aug 21 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | does anyone use Fedora on a 386? Probably not. Kill it and give everyone else a nice 5% performance boost" :P | Aug 21 17:16 |
| schestowitz | How Free Software Magazine overcame the 3FN disaster and switched to CariNet < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/how_free_software_magazine_overcame_3fn_disaster_and_switched_carinet > | Aug 21 17:16 |
| cubezzz | well, there's not very much PPC development done now | Aug 21 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | they were compiling it with like no optimizations until Fedora 10 because they were worried about breaking systems it wouldn't run on anyway | Aug 21 17:17 |
| cubezzz | I have my zaurus still, that's about 7 years old, SA-1110 based | Aug 21 17:17 |
| cubezzz | of course I'm not going to put Fedora 12 on it | Aug 21 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say probably 99% of the people out there usign a 32-bit CPU would tell them to go ahead with i686 optimization | Aug 21 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | because it'll still work on most systems all the was back to 10-11 years old | Aug 21 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | *way | Aug 21 17:18 |
| cubezzz | well, if you really want to run 386 you can | Aug 21 17:18 |
| cubezzz | anything with at least an MMU in it | Aug 21 17:19 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8211355.stm | Aug 21 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think any 386 systems probably even have enough RAM to load a 2.6.31 kernel | Aug 21 17:19 |
| schestowitz | "Today Unix systems are everywhere. All of the variants of the successful GNU/Linux operating system, including the recently-announced Google Chrome OS, build on an original design that came from Unix via a teaching implementation called Minix written by Andrew Tanenbaum." | Aug 21 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | much less anything else | Aug 21 17:19 |
| cubezzz | 386 could run ftp, sendmail, etc | Aug 21 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Is he trying to imply the Microsoft-funded lie is correct? Linus was only inspired by minix | Aug 21 17:19 |
| Eruaran | In the 80's, computing went from 8Bit to 32Bit | Aug 21 17:19 |
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| Eruaran | Why didn't the 90's go from 32Bit to 128Bit ? | Aug 21 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | you may just get away with running Linux on a 486 with terminal only | Aug 21 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | because nobody has 100 zillion petabytes of RAM? | Aug 21 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | 128-bit memory addressing? | Aug 21 17:20 |
| Eruaran | come on | Aug 21 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's insane | Aug 21 17:20 |
| Eruaran | you know you want it | Aug 21 17:20 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Aug 21 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe complexity | Aug 21 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | try 50 years from now | Aug 21 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Thw question is, why still 32-bit | Aug 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Answer: Windws | Aug 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Or Wintel | Aug 21 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Windows does not rely on a 32-bit CPU | Aug 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | It relies on binaries | Aug 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | And companies make binaries | Aug 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Rarely for 64-bit | Aug 21 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | companies make 32-bit binaries for Linux | Aug 21 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | so you need the compatibility there too | Aug 21 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Linux has cookers and stuff | Aug 21 17:21 |
| cubezzz | 32-bit is still fine for most stuff | Aug 21 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | 32-bit software on a 64-bit OS is still perfectly fine | Aug 21 17:22 |
| cubezzz | people are spoiled now | Aug 21 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | unless your process needs more than 3 gigs of RAM | Aug 21 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | then I'd really like to know what the process is | Aug 21 17:22 |
| cubezzz | I remember 4K commdore pets in stores | Aug 21 17:22 |
| cubezzz | it was that or nothing :) | Aug 21 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Meh. N00bs spread FUD. | Aug 21 17:23 |
| Eruaran | I had a friend when I was a kid who had a Commodore VIC-20 | Aug 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | "CHROME OS to end Linux Distro's [..] But, being that the Linux/GNU community is made up of hackers i still think a few will make their own." | Aug 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, CHROME as acronym | Aug 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | And Linux-GNU community | Aug 21 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | What process needs 3 gigs of RAM? If it's THAT damned important, they will offer a 64-bit binary | Aug 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Clueless ops passed as 'articles' | Aug 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | But, being that the Linux/GNU community is made up of hackers i still think a few will make their own. | Aug 21 17:23 |
| Eruaran | Linux/GNU ? | Aug 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.examiner.com/x-13782-Tulsa-Web-20-Examiner~y2009m8d19-CHROME-OS-to-end-Linux-Distros | Aug 21 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, Seattle FUD | Aug 21 17:23 |
| cubezzz | non programmers writing about programming | Aug 21 17:23 |
| cubezzz | or operating systems | Aug 21 17:24 |
| cubezzz | but that's the reality now | Aug 21 17:24 |
| Eruaran | Its like that reporter who asked Slash how things are going with Guns n Roses | Aug 21 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | a 64-bit OS can address hundreds of gigs of RAM, but each 32-bit process can use up to 3 gigs | Aug 21 17:24 |
| Eruaran | And Slash says, "I don't know I'm not in that band" | Aug 21 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | only really high end games and maybe video editing need that | Aug 21 17:24 |
| Eruaran | And the reporter says, "uh ?" | Aug 21 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Supercomputing need large address space | Aug 21 17:25 |
| schestowitz | *needs | Aug 21 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 21 17:25 |
| Eruaran | and supercooling | Aug 21 17:25 |
| Eruaran | with sexy seating | Aug 21 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | talking about a desktop PC here | Aug 21 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | most users don't even need to know or care if a program is 32-bit or 64-bit | Aug 21 17:25 |
| Eruaran | Like the early Cray's | Aug 21 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | the OS can run either | Aug 21 17:25 |
| Eruaran | You can play Doom on the old Cray's you know | Aug 21 17:26 |
| Eruaran | :D | Aug 21 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | having a 64-bit Firefox is ridiculous, but it can be done | Aug 21 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I should seriously hope Firefox doesn't need 3 gigs of RAM in any particular situation | Aug 21 17:27 |
| Eruaran | I think the web browser as we know it will dissappear | Aug 21 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | apparently Linux distros think it very well may and it's worth giving up all your plugins or hacking them in | Aug 21 17:27 |
| Eruaran | Why do I need a specific application called a "web browser" to access the web ? | Aug 21 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | web browsers have all become terribly overgrown and let sites spy on you | Aug 21 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | why? advertisers! | Aug 21 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | bling bling CSS layouts | Aug 21 17:29 |
| Eruaran | oh | Aug 21 17:29 |
| Eruaran | I knew it | Aug 21 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | scripts that occasionally escape the confines of the browser and screw with your system | Aug 21 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | you know, important everyday stuff that you need | Aug 21 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | really in an ideal world, web browsers wouldn't have to be half as complicated because people would stop worrying about how pretty the site was and start worrying if it had anything on it worth reading | Aug 21 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | sites even use Javascript now to make sure their ads loaded | Aug 21 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | and harass you if they didn't | Aug 21 17:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | IN MY IDEAL WORLD | Aug 21 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | all women would be hot | Aug 21 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and naked | Aug 21 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and available | Aug 21 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | in that order | Aug 21 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | Sexual Harrassment World? | Aug 21 17:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and in my ideal world, all the women want it 24/7 | Aug 21 17:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Im the only guy in the world | Aug 21 17:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and since I only have one dick, there will be rampant hot lesbianism | Aug 21 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: shut up | Aug 21 17:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | in my ideal world, theres no microsoft either ;) | Aug 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Is DistroWatch doing pictures now? http://distrowatch.com/mops | Aug 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Screenshots there | Aug 21 17:42 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's true: http://distrowatch.com/tuquito | Aug 21 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Screenshots | Aug 21 17:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DistroWatch has apparently just begun putting screenshots in page, e.g. http://ping.fm/dWoIq ; http://ping.fm/Jxkse | Aug 21 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | Another one: http://distrowatch.com/austrumi | Aug 21 17:46 |
| Eruaran | distrowatch could do with a facelift | Aug 21 17:50 |
| Eruaran | How about a Drupal based BN ? | Aug 21 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: they planned a facelift a while ago | Aug 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | It was never implemented | Aug 21 17:53 |
| Eruaran | oh | Aug 21 17:53 |
| schestowitz | BN CMS migration is hard and not justified. MediaWiki and WordPress do what I require | Aug 21 17:54 |
| schestowitz | E.g. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_7_Reality_Log | Aug 21 17:54 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: have you considered using the Wiki? | Aug 21 17:54 |
| schestowitz | We can edit out typos very easily that way and merge texts | Aug 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code | Aug 21 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Wilcox: aars "shows another side of Microsoft" | Aug 21 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Not it doesn't | Aug 21 17:58 |
| schestowitz | AARD shows Microsoft | Aug 21 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Not "another side" | Aug 21 17:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Moonlight-20-beta/ | Aug 21 18:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | grrrrrrrr | Aug 21 18:01 |
| wallclimber | oops, I wandered off...sorry. | Aug 21 18:03 |
| Eruaran | I rarely come across a Silverlight site | Aug 21 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Is this a marketing blog from the criminals (Intel)? http://moblinzone.com/blog/490/57/Linux_x86_vitality_bodes_well_for_Moblin_project | Aug 21 18:03 |
| wallclimber | I'm a little nervous about trying to use the wiki...I'm afraid I'd be moore hindrance than help | Aug 21 18:03 |
| wallclimber | *more* | Aug 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: it's just free text there | Aug 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Very simple text everyone can improve. | Aug 21 18:04 |
| amarsh04 | question about Canonical and kernel contributions - do they even report kernel bugs and ack fixes? My only mention in kernel logs is a reported-by and acked-by as I'm not a C programmer, but that still helped fix a kernel problem | Aug 21 18:04 |
| wallclimber | so I couldn't break anything? | Aug 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Changes are tracked and can be rolled back, so nothing can be harmed | Aug 21 18:04 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I've used private Wikis since 2004 to communicate with people | Aug 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Even my parents have used wikis since 2004, I guess :-) | Aug 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: they communicate with Debian | Aug 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't know about kernel space | Aug 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: nothing can be broken | Aug 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Changes are comulative | Aug 21 18:06 |
| wallclimber | ok... | Aug 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 21 18:06 |
| amarsh04 | ah ok schestowitz... I raised an issue with Debian kernel developers when they stopped including pcspkr as a compiled module and they added the option back in to compile it as a module (needed on this old pre-acpi pc) | Aug 21 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: he's disgracing mysql in that photo | Aug 21 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: many comments here: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-21-007-35-OP-KN-UB | Aug 21 18:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | mysql disgraces itself | Aug 21 18:09 |
| cubezzz | cray, I wonder if anyone uses those still | Aug 21 18:09 |
| amarsh04 | I should catch up with linuxtoday.com again | Aug 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: try this: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/AARD | Aug 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz | No fancy markup in that one. Corresponding PDFs not complete | Aug 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz | I out it there around January | Aug 21 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: I haven't seen any real important kernel patches from Ubuntu | Aug 21 18:10 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: TuxMachines is better | Aug 21 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | I've looked in from time to time, they submit some trivial bug patches now and then | Aug 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | LinuxToday also has this new animated ads I had to kill with adblock plus | Aug 21 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | most of their kernel team just backports mainline patches into their own git repository | Aug 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu's bug #1 is hoarding users | Aug 21 18:11 |
| schestowitz | More insights from Eldar: Windows Mobile is dead, new Linux mobile OS from Samsung < http://www.unwiredview.com/2009/08/20/more-insights-from-eldar-windows-mobile-is-dead-new-linux-mobile-os-from-samsung/ > | Aug 21 18:12 |
| amarsh04 | I use adblock plus and noscript with linuxtoday.com amongst many other sites | Aug 21 18:12 |
| cubezzz | I'm not too keen on ubuntu myself | Aug 21 18:12 |
| FxChiP | Diablo-D3, how does mysql disgrace itself? | Aug 21 18:15 |
| FxChiP | also, hi | Aug 21 18:15 |
| FxChiP | :D | Aug 21 18:15 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: http://osdir.com/Article10321.phtml (Shuttleworth Offers Canonical Employees to Debian) | Aug 21 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I still think it's counter-productive to pressure Ubuntu so much | Aug 21 18:17 |
| *amarsh04 clicks | Aug 21 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | Mono is another story because I view it as Microsoft infecting Linux, for a bad reason | Aug 21 18:18 |
| amarsh04 | I went and heard this guy speak last night: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_M._Krauss | Aug 21 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Mono!=SUSE | Aug 21 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Mono=group of Microsoft fans (or former fans/employees) who hack on .NET | Aug 21 18:18 |
| schestowitz | SUSE=Linux people | Aug 21 18:19 |
| cubezzz | interesting fact: As of 2007, the fastest PC processors perform over 40 GFLOPS, over 130 times faster[1] than a Cray-1. | Aug 21 18:21 |
| amarsh04 | I'm still of the opinion that Debian needs to freeze around something worthwhile and stable (e.g. KDE 4.3 working well with all useful apps from KDE 3.5.X ported or working under KDE 4.3, Kernel mode setting for most graphics cards, or even just an increase in supported hardware), but not to go backwards with a new release | Aug 21 18:21 |
| amarsh04 | backwards meaning features/apps from a previous release no longer working or available | Aug 21 18:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | FxChiP: it exists. | Aug 21 18:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | postgresql > mysql | Aug 21 18:24 |
| FxChiP | wat | Aug 21 18:25 |
| FxChiP | how | Aug 21 18:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you have to ask, you shouldnt be using sql | Aug 21 18:25 |
| amarsh04 | I'd rather use a database that supports a common glue package e.g. perl's mod DBI | Aug 21 18:25 |
| FxChiP | oh lol what a delightfully elitist, arrogant response | Aug 21 18:25 |
| amarsh04 | I migrated an app from mysql to oracle that way | Aug 21 18:26 |
| FxChiP | you must use Debian | Aug 21 18:26 |
| FxChiP | :D | Aug 21 18:26 |
| amarsh04 | I do now, but the migration above was from client app and mysql on Digital Unix to a client on Red Hat Linux talking to Oracle on Solaris | Aug 21 18:27 |
| FxChiP | amarsh04, wasn't referring to you, but nice | Aug 21 18:29 |
| amarsh04 | well, lots of people do use Debian FxChip | Aug 21 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Oracle wants to see more migrations like that | Aug 21 18:29 |
| schestowitz | oracle owns mysql now | Aug 21 18:29 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2009/04/making-gmime-even-more-awesome.html | Aug 21 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Novell employee... usually Mono.. smearing me sometimes | Aug 21 18:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: you're kidding me, right? | Aug 21 18:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | [01:33:22] <amarsh04> I'd rather use a database that supports a common glue package e.g. perl's mod DBI | Aug 21 18:31 |
| schestowitz | "Should either rename g_mime_filter_best_encoding() to get_encoding() or else make sure that GMime.metadata 'fixes' the method name to be GetEncoding so that it will appear as a C# property getter." | Aug 21 18:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | dbi has a pg dbd | Aug 21 18:31 |
| cubezzz | come on, google uses mysql | Aug 21 18:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | do you know how I know? | Aug 21 18:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | BECAUSE IVE BEEN USING IT FOR FIVE YEARS | Aug 21 18:31 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: sqlite too | Aug 21 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Libproxy 0.3.0 released < http://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/?p=35 > | Aug 21 18:32 |
| FxChiP | hahaha | Aug 21 18:32 |
| amarsh04 | Diablo-D3... I don't do database work now... the work I did was migrating to Oracle which Adelaide Uni already had, if I was doing further database work I'd probably be using postresql, but again, I'd use a layer between the app and database to not be tied to a particular database | Aug 21 18:33 |
| amarsh04 | so, no argument with you at all | Aug 21 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: in other words, you'd code it like I would | Aug 21 18:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | that works | Aug 21 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Oracle got stabbed by Microsft recently | Aug 21 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Someone E-mailed me about it | Aug 21 18:34 |
| cubezzz | ok, is there anyone Microsoft didn't stab? :) | Aug 21 18:35 |
| schestowitz | schestowitz> DataDirect Fills Oracle Connectivity Gap Left by MS with ADO.NET Providers | Aug 21 18:35 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> As you previously covered (http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/19/break-competitors-products/), Microsoft’s decision to deprecate System.Data.OracleClient has left software developers and architects wondering how best to connect .NET applications to Oracle databases. | Aug 21 18:35 |
| schestowitz | [..] | Aug 21 18:35 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Dracula | Aug 21 18:35 |
| cubezzz | haha | Aug 21 18:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | who cares about microsoft anyhow | Aug 21 18:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | as long as JDBC has an oracle driver shit works | Aug 21 18:36 |
| FxChiP | I don't think your way's the only right way, but okay | Aug 21 18:36 |
| schestowitz | What Really Matters? < http://www.mindby.com/2009/8/What-Really-Matters > | Aug 21 18:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | FxChiP: seeing as c# is an incompatible implementation of java that no one should use, yes, that is the only right way | Aug 21 18:37 |
| FxChiP | Diablo-D3, I meant in general | Aug 21 18:39 |
| FxChiP | I have no qualms with JDBC and I dislike C# | Aug 21 18:39 |
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| FxChiP|Work | But I've gotta go anyway, so later | Aug 21 18:39 |
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| cubezzz | well I care enough to _avoid_ microsoft, at least for personal use | Aug 21 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | "My old account was suspended as it was hacked and spammed. Created a new one after waiting for it to be re-activated," < http://chenthill.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/new-twitter-account/ > <------OpenSUSE guy | Aug 21 18:50 |
| schestowitz | FxChiP|Work: laters | Aug 21 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | What derailed the Windows Mobile 7 train? < http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3765 > | Aug 21 18:53 |
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| trmanco | http://www.email-standards.org/blog/entry/microsoft-prove-theyre-listening/#When:23:34:00Z | Aug 21 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://fixoutlook.org/ | Aug 21 19:12 |
| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/using-ie-with-hotmails-photo-uploads-led-to-security-flaw.ars | Aug 21 19:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Using IE with Hotmail's photo uploads led to security flaw (Updated): http://is.gd/2sceM | Aug 21 19:14 | |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/08/microsoft-trying-to-patent-technique-for-studying-evolution.ars | Aug 21 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082102038.html | Aug 21 19:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Noise reduction time. Moving the PC under the desk is step one. Turning off the drobo is step 2 :( and :S and Grr! | Aug 21 19:22 | |
| schestowitz | "1/3 of all Dell netbooks - The follow up comment by Dell was more fascinating. They said that one third of all Dell netbooks ship with Linux. ONE THIRD! It's over for OS hegemony..." http://www.itworld.com/small-business/75155/dell-linux-netbooks-and-microsoft-lies | Aug 21 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I think they said "in some quarters" | Aug 21 19:23 |
| cubezzz | well, that sounds good | Aug 21 19:23 |
| cubezzz | I wonder how many linux laptops they sell | Aug 21 19:24 |
| tacone | they don't do it for income i think | Aug 21 19:24 |
| tacone | “We don't see a significant difference between the return rate for Windows versus the return rate for Linux,” | Aug 21 19:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Microsoft PE routine | Aug 21 19:26 |
| schestowitz | *PR | Aug 21 19:26 |
| tacone | if you're a geek you can learn linux. if you're not, then you just care it works | Aug 21 19:26 |
| schestowitz | But It'sBetterWithWindows(R) | Aug 21 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is still trying to confuse people | Aug 21 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/12/24/45779.aspx | Aug 21 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Pretty much every single one has at least one "deal-breaker" program, a program which Windows absolutely must support or they won't upgrade. In a high percentage of the cases, the program in question was developed by their in-house programming staff, and it's written in Visual Basic (sometimes even 16-bit Visual Basic), and the person who wrote it doesn't work there any more. In some cases, they don't even have the source | Aug 21 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | code any more." | Aug 21 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Aug 21 19:31 |
| tacone | it happens with flash movies as well | Aug 21 19:32 |
| tacone | and everybody refuses to give out the source to the customer, if the customer has already paied. | Aug 21 19:33 |
| tacone | *paid | Aug 21 19:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] You really think Sony will be able to keep Linux off the PS3 Slim? < http://ping.fm/id5pG > | Aug 21 19:36 | |
| schestowitz | tacone: the question is, paid for _What_? | Aug 21 19:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Maemo devices like this one are neat < http://ping.fm/HUfpN >, but Nokia is a DRM and software patents proponent, sadly. | Aug 21 19:39 | |
| schestowitz | Usually people pay Microsoft just for an expirable licence to run binaries | Aug 21 19:39 |
| tacone | if the contract doesn't specify anything | Aug 21 19:39 |
| tacone | nobody knows | Aug 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz | It illustrates the _long-term_ effects and strengths of FOSS | Aug 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | They could branch/fork it if it suits them | Aug 21 19:40 |
| tacone | right. | Aug 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Or put money in the pot along with 100 companies that are also interested | Aug 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | They could employ people at just $10/yar | Aug 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | *year | Aug 21 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Google News has been acting up a lot recently. This one emerges as news: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/65574/mandrake_linux_9_1_download_edition | Aug 21 19:41 |
| tacone | gtg | Aug 21 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Laters. | Aug 21 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.i4u.com/article26493.html "Sony also stripped the ability to install Linux on the PS3 Slim according to Wired. | Aug 21 19:44 |
| schestowitz | This is bad news for scientists who build Linux clusters with PS3 consoles. On the other hand, I am pretty sure somebody will figure out a hack to install Linux on the PS3 Slim. " | Aug 21 19:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hurrah! Friday night and I'm in labelling plugs and PSUs with my Brother P-Touch 1000. Doesn't get better than this! | Aug 21 19:45 | |
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| schestowitz | Sweet nonsense omelet http://radian.org/notebook/nonsense-omelet vs OLPC FUD | Aug 21 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | Sony probably doesn't want that | Aug 21 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | they sell the hardware at a loss on the idea that you'll buy games for it | Aug 21 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | people buying 50 of them at a loss of $100 each is probably the last thing they need | Aug 21 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | they probably figured it would be a "cool value added" feature, being able to run Linux | Aug 21 19:53 |
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| DaemonFC | then what they got was a bunch of freeloaders buying them just to run Linux and/or dump their blu ray discs using Linux | Aug 21 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say they pretty seriously underestimated the mooch factor of the crows they got | Aug 21 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | it also means less units on the shelves for people who would buy games | Aug 21 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Sony shot themselves in the foot with that, from a business perspective they never should have allowed Linux on the PS3 in the first place | Aug 21 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | *crowd | Aug 21 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | as for savegame hacks and whatnot, all they have to do is update the console's software and "whoops" trash your Linux partition | Aug 21 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | "You mean you were running Linux? Sorry, we never supported that configuration" | Aug 21 19:57 |
| neighborlee | I was going to try yellow dog on it, but well Ill drop that now lol < never a priority, just a curiosity> | Aug 21 19:57 |
| trmanco | http://blog.digg.com/?p=900 | Aug 21 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC | it'll be easy to keep Linux off the PS3 Slim just like it's been easy for Microsoft to keep it off the XBOX 360 | Aug 21 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to use XBOX Live, you'll leave the damned thing along | Aug 21 19:58 |
| neighborlee | I wonder how many called for tech support too ;0-0 | Aug 21 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | *alone | Aug 21 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | I saw some shots of people installing Ubuntu on the XBOX 360 | Aug 21 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | there was a buffer overflow exploit in the dashboard software last year | Aug 21 19:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.esarcasm.com/1218/oldest-living-microsoft-fanboy-tells-all/ "The biggest software company in the world boasts both fierce critics and staunch defenders. Hyrum Winsocki is proud to count himself among the latter. The porcine 68-year-old Winsocki calls himself the “original Microsoft fanboy,” and it’s a title he richly deserves." | Aug 21 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft responded to that one pretty quick after they found out people were using it to install Linux | Aug 21 19:59 |
| neighborlee | lol | Aug 21 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | they not only patched the hole, they wiped out your Linux installation with the same patch | Aug 21 19:59 |
| neighborlee | :) | Aug 21 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | the 360 is not friendly to modders | Aug 21 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | there's a glob of rubber cement covering the firmware ROM | Aug 21 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | try getting that off without nailpolish remover | Aug 21 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | (and a chisel) | Aug 21 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | you might get to the chip without ruining the motherboard, on your 20th console or so | Aug 21 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | if you want a Linux PC, build a Linux PC, don't ruin a perfectly good XBOX 360, because you *will* ruin it | Aug 21 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | even if you got to the firmware ROM without damaging the motherboard, and even had something to swap it out for, there's still the little matter of the TPM module not allowing code to run that isn't signed by Microsoft | Aug 21 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | the exploit last year only worked because it used the 360's signed bootloader to trick the TPM into letting it boot in the first place | Aug 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | they have those things locked up tighter than Fort Knox | Aug 21 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | this isn't the original XBOX, 14 year old with a soldering gun and 20 minutes, they actually put some effort into this one | Aug 21 20:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Foundation Releases ABI Compatibility Checker http://ping.fm/GF7pC | Aug 21 20:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Targets 64-bit with Chrome for GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/hLd2x | Aug 21 20:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Ideas for K Desktop Environment 4.4 http://ping.fm/fJA5g http://ping.fm/c6622 | Aug 21 20:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Gains from Bad Economy http://ping.fm/m83GB | Aug 21 20:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MacBook Pro is Feeling Deprived and Slighted After GNU/Linux Experience http://ping.fm/yOBNp | Aug 21 20:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android Tablets Are Coming http://ping.fm/pGDUd | Aug 21 20:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Details on BBC's Documentary on Free Software http://ping.fm/NbL4Q | Aug 21 20:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interview with Chris Lundberg of Open Source for America http://ping.fm/Am47D | Aug 21 20:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wikimedia Gets Another Half a Million http://ping.fm/IXvVE | Aug 21 20:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Does to Windows Mobile What It's Already Doing to Windows: Making It Almost Worthless http://ping.fm/Ol69m | Aug 21 20:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Collusion Partner Moves on with GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/TlPCn | Aug 21 20:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Core People from OLPC Debunk the Myths That Sugar/Linux Was Ever the Problem http://ping.fm/voLsH | Aug 21 20:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft + IE + Hotmail = Security Hazard http://ping.fm/bbzkI | Aug 21 20:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] MSFT EPIC FAIL: IE + Hotmail = Security Hazard http://ping.fm/bbzkI | Aug 21 21:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417139 Nice new bug :) If your system can play ogv, watch the video attached :) | Aug 21 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | Good show overall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJqJjHUALaE&feature=related | Aug 21 21:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Instant-message psychotherapy helps health care budgets http://notnews.today.com/?p=615 | Aug 21 21:34 | |
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| schestowitz | This is interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdwILaDmRMM&feature=related | Aug 21 21:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Stella Artois and Salt & Vinegar Hula Hoops. Life doesn't get any better than this. (oh, and more labelling) | Aug 21 21:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple’s Third Offense Against Linux-powered Palm Gadgets http://ping.fm/0Nwms | Aug 21 22:09 | |
| DaemonFC | interesting race bating and militia movement recruiting videos | Aug 21 22:11 |
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| DaemonFC | anyone that quotes "Reliable exprerts" without mentioning who they are is not to be trusted | Aug 21 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | Fox News uses that tactic all the time to get out of their journalistic responsibility | Aug 21 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | same as "Some people say..." | Aug 21 22:13 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: wikipedia calls that tactic "weasel words" | Aug 21 22:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yahoo! Dives Right into Microsoft’s Anti-Google Agenda! http://ping.fm/Nlt3t | Aug 21 22:51 | |
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