| DaemonFC | there's a tax on all blank media there that goes to the CRIA | Aug 24 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | whether or not you burn music on it | Aug 24 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | man, why is DaemonFC still here | Aug 24 00:00 |
| cubezzz | not if you buy on the res | Aug 24 00:00 |
| cubezzz | j/k | Aug 24 00:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Korean Contest Launched http://ping.fm/uGPRV | Aug 24 00:01 | |
| _Goblin | bit of a sad story here: I had a warning from my ISP a while ago due to sharing a Linux distro on BT...either they were simply clueless or didnt like the idea of me using the bandwidth Im paying for. | Aug 24 00:02 |
| _Goblin | I think the distro was Fedora...... | Aug 24 00:02 |
| cubezzz | maybe your ISP likes Gentoo? :) | Aug 24 00:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux 2.6.31 Reaches Seventh RC http://ping.fm/CgjHy | Aug 24 00:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 7 Reasons Why GNU/Linux Overshadows Vista 7 http://ping.fm/VVMi0 | Aug 24 00:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple and GNU/Linux Technically Not So Different After All http://ping.fm/tkFgF | Aug 24 00:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz well yes. OTOH myISAM really is complete shit and should never be used, ever. also, daily backups. | Aug 24 00:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux 2.6.31 Reaches Seventh RC http://ping.fm/vMbzK http://ping.fm/LkhoP | Aug 24 00:06 | |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: sorry afk....or it likes its customers to use its service like they are still on dialup. | Aug 24 00:08 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: whilst paying broadband prices. | Aug 24 00:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Simon Gives GNU/Linux Speech Recognition-Driven User Interfaces http://ping.fm/lrAnC http://ping.fm/HZfrn | Aug 24 00:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Development Glimpse at Mandriva Linux 2010.0 http://ping.fm/6aGQY http://ping.fm/UfnhG | Aug 24 00:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SLAMPP 2.0.x (GNU/Linux Distribution) Released http://ping.fm/JfXCS | Aug 24 00:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hilti Moves to Red Hat GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/vgZQL | Aug 24 00:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at What's New in Ubuntu Linux 9.04 and a Review http://ping.fm/freaI http://ping.fm/t0WHs | Aug 24 00:18 | |
| trmanco | hehe myisam | Aug 24 00:18 |
| trmanco | it might be crap, but it is fast | Aug 24 00:18 |
| trmanco | innodb is more reliable, but it also is slower | Aug 24 00:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of the Ubuntu-based PC-OS 2009.03 http://ping.fm/HZYw8 | Aug 24 00:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia's Linux Tablets Get Fennec, Sub-notebooks Coming Too http://ping.fm/rsen5 http://ping.fm/jvvgj | Aug 24 00:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reasons Other Than Cost to Use Free Software http://ping.fm/ET1lg | Aug 24 00:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Heroes in the Press http://ping.fm/TM711 http://ping.fm/FUvyi | Aug 24 00:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software in Education Defended, Expanded http://ping.fm/kOODa http://ping.fm/WpzSD | Aug 24 00:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oracle's Ownership of Java and Other SUN Assets Not Final Yet http://ping.fm/wsXT5 | Aug 24 00:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Windows Viruses Lead to Bank Account Breaches http://ping.fm/DRZZW | Aug 24 00:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Standards of 'Polish' http://ping.fm/3bM4E | Aug 24 00:39 | |
| DaemonFC | actually that problem is gone in Windows 7 | Aug 24 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | as for malware, banks still use Windows XP | Aug 24 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | every process is automatically an administrator process | Aug 24 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | not good | Aug 24 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | especially if you have lots of people using that system | Aug 24 00:41 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/sony-bids-50-million-for-michael-jackson-1003995644.story | Aug 24 01:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | that url looks bad | Aug 24 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | I don't use URL shorteners, they could lead to anything | Aug 24 01:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wasnt aware micheal jackson was for sale | Aug 24 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | doh | Aug 24 01:37 |
| *DaemonFC donates his body to the children of the world | Aug 24 01:37 | |
| *Diablo-D3 snarks | Aug 24 01:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=i_robot | Aug 24 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | best move review ever | Aug 24 01:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | old | Aug 24 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Aug 24 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | still good | Aug 24 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mKrIhuPfe4&feature=related | Aug 24 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | ffffffff | Aug 24 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | not the zeigeist shit again | Aug 24 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I was following them up to the second half of the sequel | Aug 24 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | where they let loose about how we should build a communist utopia that looks suspiciously like it was rendered on an Amiga Video Toaster | Aug 24 01:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck yeah amiga | Aug 24 01:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | <3 amiga | Aug 24 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see how you'd get people to build that | Aug 24 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | the people that are smart enough would all want paid the big bucks | Aug 24 01:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | screw the communist utopia shit | Aug 24 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | the people who would be building it would want union jobs | Aug 24 01:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | we need amiga back on the desktop | Aug 24 01:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | that'd cause world piece | Aug 24 01:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, peace | Aug 24 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | and the people and politicians calling for it would be the "Bush/Cheney '04" soccer moms and crazy people that masturbate in public and talk to buildings? | Aug 24 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | perhaps? | Aug 24 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | no? | Aug 24 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing people have ever worked together on that didn't involve huge monetary gains was banding together to kill the other guys | Aug 24 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | I want to know how they propose everyone in the world bands together to build the terraformed communist domes | Aug 24 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tq7yykR-DM | Aug 24 01:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qsWFFuYZYI&fmt=22 | Aug 24 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ERgZ9dztk | Aug 24 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-L-0s-7-Z0&feature=PlayList&p=DED094DC7559526D&index=5 | Aug 24 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 24 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQECwm3erEs&feature=PlayList&p=DED094DC7559526D&index=3 | Aug 24 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSu2dzu--TE&feature=PlayList&p=DED094DC7559526D&index=11 | Aug 24 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | Stop putting Microsoft ads here, fanboi | Aug 24 02:07 |
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| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to fewa | Aug 24 02:08 | |
| DaemonFC | the worst part about it is that Plug and Pray used to be a Windows 98 joke | Aug 24 02:11 |
| Balrog | haha, it is | Aug 24 02:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolies and Bottling up “Free Water” http://ping.fm/vNaDB | Aug 24 02:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Raises Prices, Dodges Old Brands http://ping.fm/OqZqV | Aug 24 02:45 | |
| fewa | patents are corporate welfare, that sums it up pretty nicely | Aug 24 02:59 |
| fewa | esp the Bush brand of it: let pharmaceuticals patent things the the NIH largely researched, then force Medicare to pay more than any other country for pharmaceuticals by forcing them not to bargain for prices | Aug 24 03:00 |
| fewa | thats the polar opposite of "free market" | Aug 24 03:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | look | Aug 24 03:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | we get it | Aug 24 03:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | bush sucks | Aug 24 03:01 |
| fewa | but the same republicans that passed that are still in office | Aug 24 03:02 |
| fewa | many of them at least | Aug 24 03:02 |
| fewa | so its not just bush | Aug 24 03:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | ive been saying this for years | Aug 24 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know what? | Aug 24 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck it | Aug 24 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | tommorow, Im going to join the republican party | Aug 24 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | might as well just blindfold yourself in the voting booth and push buttons at random | Aug 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's the same outcome | Aug 24 03:04 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, that will be funny | Aug 24 03:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: not true | Aug 24 03:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | I may accidently vote for ron paul | Aug 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | I may vote for Zombie Jesus | Aug 24 03:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | ron paul > * | Aug 24 03:05 |
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| DaemonFC | same thing | Aug 24 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ron Paul is scarier than most | Aug 24 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | that's why he's a perennial fringe candidate | Aug 24 03:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | one of few candidates I give money to | Aug 24 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | and there's money you'll never see again | Aug 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | it keeps Skeletor talking I guess | Aug 24 03:11 |
| *Diablo-D3 just laughs at DaemonFC | Aug 24 03:11 | |
| Diablo-D3 | what a silly child | Aug 24 03:11 |
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| DaemonFC` | damn it to hell | Aug 24 03:12 |
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| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: Why waste perfectly good money on Ron Paul? | Aug 24 03:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 Just as Bad as Vista, But Microsoft Removes Choice http://ping.fm/pQlVq | Aug 24 03:23 | |
| DaemonFC | those little $299 Acer netbooks at Walmart are all XP | Aug 24 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt anyone would notice any functional difference on a netbook no matter what OS it had on it | Aug 24 03:26 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, your dead right | Aug 24 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | is that some kind of threat? | Aug 24 03:27 |
| fewa | ? | Aug 24 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | well, any OS can run a web browser and check your email | Aug 24 03:28 |
| fewa | Most users don't see a functional difference between Linux and Windows | Aug 24 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | an OS really isn't the selling point of a limited mini notebook | Aug 24 03:28 |
| fewa | Both run Firefox | Aug 24 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | or Opera for that matter | Aug 24 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | why the hell even have a netbook? | Aug 24 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | Opera runs on my blackberry | Aug 24 03:29 |
| schestowitz | gn. fewa, pls keep an eye on the resident trolls ;-) | Aug 24 03:30 |
| fewa | gn | Aug 24 03:30 |
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| DaemonFC | I guess what I mean is that a netbook is too limited to replace a laptop and too bulky and unwieldy to try and pretend it's a mobile device | Aug 24 03:31 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: unfortunately, Windows 7 is getting people to upgrade :\ | Aug 24 03:32 |
| fewa | downgrade | Aug 24 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 already has about 0.6% of web traffic | Aug 24 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | and it's not even out til October | Aug 24 03:33 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: MSDN people have it | Aug 24 03:33 |
| Balrog | such as me ... I fall under MSDN-AA | Aug 24 03:33 |
| Balrog | which I get whether I like it or not :( | Aug 24 03:33 |
| fewa | Balrog, you mean bribing people? | Aug 24 03:33 |
| Balrog | and my "lab fees" pay for it :( no choice there | Aug 24 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | that;s funny | Aug 24 03:34 |
| Balrog | fewa: no, people I know personally who aren't affiliated with MS | Aug 24 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, Opera Mini is probably the best mobile phone browser there ever was | Aug 24 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | which is probably why it controls almsot 90% of that market | Aug 24 03:35 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, ummmmm | Aug 24 03:35 |
| fewa | the iPhone alone is more than 10% | Aug 24 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | iPhones are a rare and expensive thing that just screams lock in | Aug 24 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Pocket IE is a toy | Aug 24 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Fennec is jsut as bad | Aug 24 03:36 |
| Will | If it weren't for the whole "slag my mbr" part, I wouldn't mind installing Win7 to review it. But I don't have a spare machine to use and don't want to bother straightening out the boot settings after the install. Not enough free space at the moment to vm it. | Aug 24 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Will: Just restore GRUB later | Aug 24 03:36 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, lawl | Aug 24 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | or tweak your Windows bootloader to boot into your Linux partition | Aug 24 03:37 |
| Will | looking forward to reading Goblin's review, though. | Aug 24 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | "bitch bitch bitch, Vista7, bitch some more" | Aug 24 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | saved you the trouble | Aug 24 03:38 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, all you do it rave, it makes you look like a tool | Aug 24 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | was there ever any doubt that an article from you people would be anything less than 100% bitching? | Aug 24 03:39 |
| Will | I don't suppose 7 can be run off a USB stick, can it? | Aug 24 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | I mean even the people that are paid by Microsoft to write reviews sometimes maybe give Linux a backhanded compliment | Aug 24 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | learn from that, makes you look slightly less of a shill | Aug 24 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | yes, it can | Aug 24 03:40 |
| Will | oh. ok. What is the minimum size USB needed? | Aug 24 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | you do need a rather large USB stick, but the price on those has dropped considerably | Aug 24 03:41 |
| Balrog | bleh, iPhone is so easy to jailbreak | Aug 24 03:41 |
| Balrog | and more and more people are doing it | Aug 24 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | oh, you'll need about 14-15 gigs for the OS | Aug 24 03:41 |
| Balrog | (with all the negative publicity lately) | Aug 24 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | probably going to want a 32 gig thumbdrive | Aug 24 03:41 |
| Balrog | also, iPod Touch is considered "iphone OS" | Aug 24 03:41 |
| fewa | Balrog, id rather have a phone that didn't have to be broken out of jail | Aug 24 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have one wher eI don't feel the need | Aug 24 03:42 |
| fewa | and constantly track priviliage exploitation exploits to get there | Aug 24 03:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the complaint about Windows 7 over writing the MBR and removing all references to non-Windows OS's that may be there, how is this different to previous Windows? XP does this, so does 2000, I think they all do | Aug 24 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | Blackberry does that for me | Aug 24 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | they have always done that | Aug 24 03:42 |
| Will | nevermind that. For now anyway. That and I'm not sure a review of the free trial version out now would be accurate for the retail version anyway. | Aug 24 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's not some new development | Aug 24 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's the endless quest for yellow journalism | Aug 24 03:43 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, and Windows has had the same MBR since 200 IIRC | Aug 24 03:43 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not right, they shouldn't be allowed to, but it's not new behaviour. Peeps who want to dual boot Windows and Linux have known for ages that you have to put Windows on first because of this | Aug 24 03:43 |
| Will | Yeah, I kinda thought that was old news too, to be honest. | Aug 24 03:44 |
| fewa | you can also segregate it onto another drive and not allowing to to see the other race while installing it | Aug 24 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | or restore GRUB later | Aug 24 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's not that difficult | Aug 24 03:44 |
| ThistleWeb | even dual booting with various Windows you have to put them on, oldest first | Aug 24 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Windows doesn't even want to dual boot with other versions of Windows | Aug 24 03:44 |
| ThistleWeb | it's good to draw attention to the abuse and arrogance of MS's MBR actions | Aug 24 03:44 |
| ThistleWeb | but it's now new | Aug 24 03:45 |
| ThistleWeb | not* | Aug 24 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | course I don't know why you would | Aug 24 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | dual booting Windows with Windows was onyl real useful when it was 98 and 2000 or possibly if you needed 95 and NT | Aug 24 03:45 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, maybe because every version of Windows breaks compatibility with old programs? | Aug 24 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | fewa: I haven't ran into that | Aug 24 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | I've thrown programs and games as far back as Windows 95 on Windows 7 | Aug 24 03:46 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, then you havn't used Windows | Aug 24 03:46 |
| fewa | or are a shill | Aug 24 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest problem I had was with the oridinal DOOM 95 engine which used a VxD for the mouse | Aug 24 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | loading the WADs into Doomsday works much better anyway | Aug 24 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | *original | Aug 24 03:46 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, you yourself have said that Wine works better with old WIndows API stuff than Windows | Aug 24 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | I also have DirectX games that date back to DirectX 3 which still work under DirectX 11 | Aug 24 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | really old, yes | Aug 24 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | we're talking ancient | Aug 24 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 3.1 software | Aug 24 03:48 |
| Balrog | fewa: Android and Pre also have to be broken out of jail :\ | Aug 24 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | 64-bit Windows has no 16-bit compatibility system so you lose all your old Windows 3.x software | Aug 24 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | still that's pretty good | Aug 24 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | I have trouble getting Linux software from 2000 to work in modern distros | Aug 24 03:49 |
| Will | I've kinda gotten a small sense of whiplash with some of the {upgrade, don't upgrade} to 7 arguments. For a long time, some MS proponents have banged the drum that it would be too difficult for most users to relearn the UI if they switched to Mac or Linux. Now the MS proponents make a big deal about how no one should be afraid to change the UI and go to 7. | Aug 24 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | and end up using the Windows version in Wine | Aug 24 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Vista's user interface was a train wreck | Aug 24 03:49 |
| fewa | Will, their hypocrisy shows through again | Aug 24 03:50 |
| ThistleWeb | most UI's have so much in common these days that it's not that difficult to get used to user-land stuff done in any of them | Aug 24 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | and to top that off, folder views had massive amount of bugs which always managed to give you the wrong icon view | Aug 24 03:50 |
| ThistleWeb | pees don't bat an eyelid when they get a new mobile phone with a new UI from their last one | Aug 24 03:50 |
| fewa | In the haloween documents (~1998) Microsoft internally recognized that a Win32 user would have a quick learning curve to use Linux | Aug 24 03:51 |
| ThistleWeb | they spend a little time playing with it, and within a few days they can pretty much navigate to what they need with no mistakes | Aug 24 03:51 |
| fewa | all the rest is FUD | Aug 24 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ribbon is more eye candy than anything, I don't see a major learning curve, it does uncomplicate things some though | Aug 24 03:51 |
| ThistleWeb | every car has a different UI with a lot of common traits | Aug 24 03:51 |
| ThistleWeb | yet drivers can switch from one to another quickly | Aug 24 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to laugh when someone makes a ribbon UI for GNOME or KDE | Aug 24 03:51 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, they have existed for 15 years | Aug 24 03:52 |
| fewa | even in KDE | Aug 24 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's because you don't have to learn 1,000 unintuitive and hard to remember commands | Aug 24 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | the positioning of the controls are just a little different | Aug 24 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | no two unix utilities work alike, they all use the most bizarre names you'd never guess | Aug 24 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | and they all take different arguments formatted differently | Aug 24 03:53 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: falso | Aug 24 03:53 |
| Balrog | please no fud :( | Aug 24 03:53 |
| Balrog | false * | Aug 24 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | grep | Aug 24 03:53 |
| Will | but they all have manpages | Aug 24 03:53 |
| Balrog | ease | Aug 24 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | who the hell would call something "grep"? | Aug 24 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | tell me | Aug 24 03:54 |
| Balrog | cat 'file' | grep 'regexp' | Aug 24 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | if Satan designed an OS, the first thing he'd do would make a utility called grep | Aug 24 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | and then maybe he'd use 8.3 naming | Aug 24 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 24 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | and case insensitive file names | Aug 24 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | and case sensitive searches | Aug 24 03:55 |
| Will | must resist urge to make MS copying joke.... | Aug 24 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | notice how only one of those is a DOS/old Windows annoyance | Aug 24 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | the rest never die in unix | Aug 24 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | instead you get to use some bloat like Beagle to index a database of items to later be searched, which is smarter than the search utilities written in the 70s | Aug 24 03:56 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: if you think UNIX commands are bad | Aug 24 03:56 |
| Balrog | MS-DOS is horrible. | Aug 24 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | they're awful | Aug 24 03:56 |
| Will | From wikipedia: grep is a command line text search utility originally written for Unix. The name is taken from the first letters in global / regular expression / print, a series of instructions for the ed text editor. | Aug 24 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | who uses DOS? | Aug 24 03:56 |
| Balrog | they get the job done fast | Aug 24 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | unix clones are the only remaining OS that things torturing the user with bizarre command line interfaces is cool | Aug 24 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | *thinks | Aug 24 03:57 |
| Will | it's not like you have to use the command line. | Aug 24 03:57 |
| Will | But sometimes the command line is just faster/more efficient than the GUI method. | Aug 24 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | true, but the GUIs are usually so piss-poorly designed that it *is* faster to use the terminal | Aug 24 03:58 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: what if you have only an SSH connection to work with? | Aug 24 03:58 |
| Balrog | That's very often the case for me | Aug 24 03:58 |
| ThistleWeb | many GUI's are fine for most uses | Aug 24 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | try using KPackagekit on Kubuntu and tell me why a search for something that IS in the repo doesn't always show results? | Aug 24 03:58 |
| Will | ssh is a good case for command line. | Aug 24 03:58 |
| ThistleWeb | they provide easy defaults in a way that lets normal (non-techy) peeps actually use a PC | Aug 24 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | human beings don't work like that | Aug 24 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's why no successful consumer OS uses a command line as the primary interface | Aug 24 03:59 |
| ThistleWeb | if you have a need for more advanced stuff, it's in your interests to get to know the fine controls of the tools you work with | Aug 24 03:59 |
| Will | There's also all kinds of command line voodoo for manipulating files and directories with a single line that would take much longer to do by hand with a GUI filebrowser. | Aug 24 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | the task oriented user interface in Windows is so thorough that you could rip out the command prompt totally and most users would never feel like anything was missing | Aug 24 04:00 |
| Will | DaemonFC: Linux doesn't use the command line as the primary interface anymore. | Aug 24 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that you need a CLI in a OS meant for consumers is the first sign that it was designed poorly | Aug 24 04:00 |
| Will | though it certainly still can if need be | Aug 24 04:00 |
| ThistleWeb | name an OS without a cli | Aug 24 04:02 |
| ThistleWeb | desktop OS | Aug 24 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | even when I need to use arguments and switches in a utility (Lame for example), I'm not actually using a CLI | Aug 24 04:02 |
| ThistleWeb | wiindows and osx also have one | Aug 24 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | I tell the program what to pass to the encoder and it remembers it from then on | Aug 24 04:02 |
| ThistleWeb | just like Linux, most users can work just fine with a gui | Aug 24 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | batch file operations just fall apart on a CLI | Aug 24 04:02 |
| ThistleWeb | but it's still there | Aug 24 04:02 |
| Balrog | ThistleWeb: only one I know of | Aug 24 04:03 |
| Balrog | Mac OS 9 and earlier | Aug 24 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | in Windows I tell it what to do once then I can select 1,000 files if needs be and it will process them with my options | Aug 24 04:03 |
| ThistleWeb | Balrog: not used that, so I'll take your word for it | Aug 24 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | the CLI is just not capable of that | Aug 24 04:03 |
| Balrog | ThistleWeb: it has absolutely NO CLI | Aug 24 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | I could make a script to do the working folder or subfolders maybe | Aug 24 04:03 |
| ThistleWeb | the point is that any OS designed with GUI use, also has a cli for those who want to use it | Aug 24 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | but I lose the fine grained control and a lot of convenience | Aug 24 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | and then I'm sitting there for hours doing a task that would take minutes in the GUI | Aug 24 04:04 |
| ThistleWeb | or for those who want to get more specific functions out of apps that allow it | Aug 24 04:04 |
| Will | DaemonFC: do you know how to use regular expressions? | Aug 24 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | people that argue for the CLI really, I think, want a return to black and white TVs that took 5 minutes to warm up before a picture appeared on the screen | Aug 24 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's the same line of sentimental notion | Aug 24 04:05 |
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| DaemonFC | freaking dinosaurs | Aug 24 04:05 |
| neighborlee | its not that | Aug 24 04:06 |
| neighborlee | imho anyway | Aug 24 04:06 |
| neighborlee | its geekideology101 | Aug 24 04:06 |
| Will | Here's one use case I was thinking of: 10,000 files. You need to sort them into 3 bins based on part of the text string in the middle of the files. About 3 lines, tops, in cli. | Aug 24 04:06 |
| neighborlee | if its hard,,its a challenge and therfore im kewl if I can do it | Aug 24 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | I used DOS for years, and it's not because it was a good operating system, it's because it ran well on the puny hardware of the late 80s and early 90s | Aug 24 04:06 |
| neighborlee | hardly grounds for imprisonment, but I dont like the attitude either | Aug 24 04:06 |
| ThistleWeb | most users can use their PC, regardless of the OS installed, and never see a CLI | Aug 24 04:07 |
| neighborlee | correct | Aug 24 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | I can still use DOS, though I'm not arguing that it should make a comeback | Aug 24 04:07 |
| neighborlee | :) | Aug 24 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | DOS really was not even an OS by today's terms, there were only a handful of system calls that it understood and then you're on your own | Aug 24 04:08 |
| Will | Think of it as manual vs automatic transmission (except here the car has both and can freely switch between them). | Aug 24 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | every program on DOS was its own operating system | Aug 24 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | DOOM even joked about that in the betas, the loader called itself the DOOM Operating System | Aug 24 04:08 |
| neighborlee | nothing wrong with understanding how to use cli and why | Aug 24 04:09 |
| neighborlee | BUT not out of box ;) | Aug 24 04:09 |
| Will | neighborlee: agreed :) | Aug 24 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | it had to use DOS4GW to extend DOS just enough to load DOOM in the first place | Aug 24 04:09 |
| neighborlee | and it should always be last resort when helping others.. | Aug 24 04:09 |
| neighborlee | I want linux to be as useable and have as many apps/games as windows does ,,someday..not doing that will not help the cause on any level ;) | Aug 24 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up registering some shareware called 4DOS as a replacement command interpreter | Aug 24 04:10 |
| neighborlee | windows out of box cli is nasty | Aug 24 04:11 |
| neighborlee | enough, but ...;) | Aug 24 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | people complain now, they should have had to deal with DOS, they really should have | Aug 24 04:11 |
| neighborlee | :) | Aug 24 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | worry about how much memory under 640k you could free up, fuck around with EMM386 | Aug 24 04:11 |
| Balrog | I had to deal with DOS several years ago :( | Aug 24 04:11 |
| Balrog | yes, I know that. | Aug 24 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | or pay for Quarterdeck's QEMM386 | Aug 24 04:11 |
| Will | neighborlee: also agreed. I don't think new users should be forced to know cli. I just think cli has its place and should never be taken out/blocked off/whatever. I grew up using the gui, but I learned the value and beauty of cli when it is the best tool for the job. | Aug 24 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'd really prefer a standardized GUI paradigm and no CLI at all | Aug 24 04:12 |
| neighborlee | Will, yup | Aug 24 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | but it's Linux, there's 1,000 variations of everything | Aug 24 04:13 |
| neighborlee | gah dont remind me ;)) | Aug 24 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's no way to release an all encompassing "The Complete Idiot's Guide To Linux" | Aug 24 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | it would take well over 100,000 pages to document everything and be obsolete next week | Aug 24 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | the introduction alone would make your head explode | Aug 24 04:14 |
| Will | Not like a Win98 book is relevant today either. | Aug 24 04:14 |
| neighborlee | many would likely not argue, but its made lots of advancements you must admit | Aug 24 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Aug 24 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | a how to use Windows book is typically about 200-300 pages | Aug 24 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | and covers everything well | Aug 24 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | and has room for cartoon strips | Aug 24 04:15 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, buy this, buy that | Aug 24 04:15 |
| neighborlee | lol | Aug 24 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's a Complete Idiot's Guide to Ubuntu you know? | Aug 24 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 24 04:15 |
| neighborlee | oh my you had that one coming ;)) | Aug 24 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | and you don't have to buy them | Aug 24 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | the library has them | Aug 24 04:15 |
| ThistleWeb | MS don't make a habit of wanting to educating peeps though, it's in their interests to keep users dumb | Aug 24 04:15 |
| ThistleWeb | the more peeps are encouraged with knowldege, the more they may start to wonder if there are alternates to MS | Aug 24 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | the How To books for Vista were the largest ones yet | Aug 24 04:16 |
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| ThistleWeb | specially when they seek further knoweldge online | Aug 24 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | it almost approached the official ubuntu book | Aug 24 04:16 |
| Will | DaemonFC, if there is, then good. I'm fine with there being a small number of "beginner level" distros that people are shuttled toward. | Aug 24 04:16 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC, I dont doubt that at all | Aug 24 04:16 |
| ThistleWeb | your duty as a windows user is to keep buying stuff from MS | Aug 24 04:16 |
| ThistleWeb | nothing else | Aug 24 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | Will: I read the official ubuntu book | Aug 24 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's a good reference | Aug 24 04:16 |
| Will | I haven't read that one | Aug 24 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | it basically is all about GNOME, but it has chapters for KDE and XFCE as well | Aug 24 04:17 |
| ThistleWeb | every MS book wants to teach you how to do the basics in that version of Windows using only MS apps | Aug 24 04:17 |
| ThistleWeb | which gives them an excuse to sella new version with the next Windows, and keeps people indoctrinated in the process | Aug 24 04:18 |
| ThistleWeb | "open up internet explorer tm and go to......" | Aug 24 04:18 |
| ThistleWeb | not "open your web browser and go to....." | Aug 24 04:19 |
| neighborlee | well MS lost on that one at least | Aug 24 04:19 |
| Will | DaemonFC and neighborlee: I'd actually prefer to see, for the short term, the Linux mainstream condense around something like Ubuntu or one like it. Gives companies a single target to shoot far. Helps new people feel less overwhelmed. The thing is, there's nothing "Starter" about Ubuntu. They can do practically everything a Debian or Fedora or Gentoo user can. And they can explore those later if they feel so inclined. | Aug 24 04:19 |
| ThistleWeb | it's promo / indoctrination thinly disguised as education | Aug 24 04:19 |
| neighborlee | I dont recall details, but at least they lost | Aug 24 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Aug 24 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | the I've seen Windows books emphatically recommend Firefox | Aug 24 04:20 |
| ThistleWeb | I bet they're all marked "unofficial" | Aug 24 04:20 |
| neighborlee | Will, I would love nothing less than to get behind ubuntu with all Ive got..but I can't do that for obvious reaons | Aug 24 04:20 |
| neighborlee | sons | Aug 24 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | the ones straight from Microsoft will go over how to use IE | Aug 24 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | they all will to some extent | Aug 24 04:21 |
| neighborlee | Will, but yes,,precisely whats needed ,,for some distro...o_0 | Aug 24 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | some books have a chapter for IE and a chapter for Firefox | Aug 24 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | anyhow, Windows 7 lets you banish IE once and for all | Aug 24 04:21 |
| neighborlee | is ubuntu even testing yet for delpha installs ? | Aug 24 04:21 |
| neighborlee | gah | Aug 24 04:21 |
| neighborlee | 'delta' | Aug 24 04:21 |
| ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: no it don't, it still keeps the guts of IE installed regardless of the browser installation | Aug 24 04:22 |
| ThistleWeb | that's not banishing | Aug 24 04:22 |
| ThistleWeb | IE cant be completely removed | Aug 24 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | well yeah, IE is really only a frontend | Aug 24 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows needs the layout engine for hyperhelp and to be embedded in other programs | Aug 24 04:23 |
| Will | And it doesn't have to be Ubuntu that becomes the "One". I'm not distro-partisan. It's just that Ubuntu looks like the one best positioned to do that at present. | Aug 24 04:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I also notice MS fully acceopt the reasons behind consumer choice and have offered the install window to ALL windows 7 users, not just in the IE where they've been forced to / sarcasm | Aug 24 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | I mean that the browser will never bother you again when you've already told it to go away | Aug 24 04:24 |
| ThistleWeb | so even if you choose not to install IE, you can still be vulnerable to it's exploits | Aug 24 04:24 |
| ThistleWeb | how touching | Aug 24 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Aug 24 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | the browser part is gone, so unless you run a malicious program that for whatever reason needs to embed Trident | Aug 24 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | by that time it already has access to your system because you ran it locally | Aug 24 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | things like the Safari carpet bombing attack couldn't work | Aug 24 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Live Mail, if you install it that is, only uses the restricted zone, can't run scripts or attachments | Aug 24 04:26 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, buckus | Aug 24 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | there's not much of a security risk in having Trident | Aug 24 04:26 |
| fewa | Microsoft has pushed the trident API hard | Aug 24 04:26 |
| fewa | and purposefully made it so other browsers cannot provide it | Aug 24 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | unless you're browsing around with it in Maxthon or something | Aug 24 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | Maxthon does embed Trident | Aug 24 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 24 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's very easy to make a web browser that uses Trident as the rendering engine | Aug 24 04:27 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, Its a security threat until it is removed from the system | Aug 24 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | I fail to see how | Aug 24 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | unless you load it up in another browser | Aug 24 04:27 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, its easy to make a *cross-platform* browser that uses gecko, webkit, etc | Aug 24 04:27 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, and isn't full of holes | Aug 24 04:27 |
| ThistleWeb | I am really starting to wonder if DaemonFC is a MS employee | Aug 24 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | there have only been like 4 holes in IE 8 so far | Aug 24 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | and none of them affect Vista or 7 | Aug 24 04:28 |
| fewa | .kick DaemonFC bullshit | Aug 24 04:28 |
| fewa | o) | Aug 24 04:28 |
| fewa | o0 | Aug 24 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Maxthon is actually about as popular as Firefox in China | Aug 24 04:29 |
| fewa | Why InPrivate is no excuse for IE's InDecent behavior. | Aug 24 04:29 |
| Will | or the ads they tried to market it with ... :{ | Aug 24 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | that was mainly in reference to ad blocking | Aug 24 04:29 |
| fewa | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/why-inprivate-is-no-excuse-for-ies-indecent-behavior/ | Aug 24 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Maxthon has ad blocking built in | Aug 24 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | and better privacy controls | Aug 24 04:30 |
| fewa | ^^ read the article | Aug 24 04:30 |
| fewa | IE privacy is like safe prostitute | Aug 24 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | if you have Maxthon in Vista it has to use the zones model same as IE before anything else | Aug 24 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | which means protected mode is on | Aug 24 04:31 |
| Will | Everytime someone plays the "oh noes, Google will eat your privacy" card, I always wonder, without necessarily absolving either side, why they never consider the issue of what data MS might be privy too ( or unintentionally allow to leak out through lax security). | Aug 24 04:36 |
| Will | Not saying that MS is evil and Google is clean, just that the argument can be applied both ways. | Aug 24 04:37 |
| neighborlee | totally agreed | Aug 24 04:42 |
| neighborlee | as always vigilence is necesssary..ever more tomorrow as today ;)) | Aug 24 04:42 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft has always been big on "No PERSONAL information will be sent" and "Nobody will use the information to contact you" | Aug 24 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | so basically it won't personally identify you but they can use it to beuild demographics | Aug 24 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | *build | Aug 24 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's no worse than what Google does | Aug 24 04:51 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_shell | Aug 24 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | lots of them | Aug 24 04:53 |
| ThistleWeb | whatever their policies are, one thing they've never been good at is building secure software | Aug 24 04:54 |
| ThistleWeb | does that policy cover the exploits? | Aug 24 04:54 |
| Will | g'bye, all | Aug 24 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | NT was very secure til XP | Aug 24 04:55 |
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| tessier | Is there really anything to back up the claim that Bill Gates stole BASIC from a dumpster at Yale? | Aug 24 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | they had to undo a lot of its policies to make it work well with the kinds of applications people use | Aug 24 04:55 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't remember asking if NT was secure before XP | Aug 24 04:55 |
| tessier | I don't remember NT being secure before XP. | Aug 24 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | does Canonical's privacy policy cover their exploits? | Aug 24 04:55 |
| ThistleWeb | I asked if that policy about only using data to build profiles, but not sharing it covers exploits? | Aug 24 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think the Russian mafia cares about your privacy | Aug 24 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | but that's what you get for installing spyware | Aug 24 04:56 |
| ThistleWeb | neither to MS | Aug 24 04:56 |
| ThistleWeb | do* | Aug 24 04:56 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, software installed without the users knowledge which secretly sends back data to whoever installed it, not unlike the WGA | Aug 24 04:57 |
| ThistleWeb | lovingly called an advantage | Aug 24 04:58 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, Microsoft has long said things that are not true | Aug 24 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | WGA has the same policy as Windows | Aug 24 04:58 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, saying something is not private does not make this so | Aug 24 04:58 |
| ThistleWeb | comparing privacy policies, I'd trust a company who do most of their stuff int he open | Aug 24 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | if you can prove they're sending back personally identifiable information | Aug 24 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | then prove it | Aug 24 04:59 |
| fewa | ThistleWeb, yes that important | Aug 24 04:59 |
| ThistleWeb | yes they do have a small portion behind closed doors | Aug 24 04:59 |
| fewa | If information is not public those who have it are all too liable to change it to suit their interests | Aug 24 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of people, including the various government agencies, with smarter people than you on hand would love to know about it | Aug 24 05:00 |
| ThistleWeb | but the vast majority, not just the software, but meeting etc are held in public | Aug 24 05:00 |
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| DaemonFC | Fedora actually profiles your system and puts some of the information about it on a public website | Aug 24 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | so does OpenSuse | Aug 24 05:01 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, if you want it to | Aug 24 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see anyone complaining about Smolts | Aug 24 05:01 |
| ThistleWeb | debian and ubuntu have the package popularity option | Aug 24 05:01 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, and as you said, the information is made public, and doesn't include many of the things Microsoft collects | Aug 24 05:01 |
| fewa | such as IP address, uniquie hard drive numbers | Aug 24 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | What do they colelct? | Aug 24 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | can you prove any of these claims? | Aug 24 05:01 |
| fewa | processor ID numbers | Aug 24 05:01 |
| ThistleWeb | showing which packages you use, but it's not ticked by default and is not required | Aug 24 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | they don't store IP addresses | Aug 24 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | those are immediately discarded | Aug 24 05:02 |
| ThistleWeb | MS treat EVERYONE as a theif | Aug 24 05:02 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, Microsoft does | Aug 24 05:02 |
| fewa | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Aug 24 05:02 |
| ThistleWeb | that's how they justify the stuff they collect | Aug 24 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | yes, they don't store them though | Aug 24 05:02 |
| ThistleWeb | to protect their shareholders interests | Aug 24 05:02 |
| fewa | And this is even when copyright inffringement is not theft | Aug 24 05:02 |
| ThistleWeb | that's why all the DRM | Aug 24 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | just opening a connection to a remote server gives them your IP address | Aug 24 05:03 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, what makes you think this | Aug 24 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | because that's how the system works | Aug 24 05:03 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, every user of Windows has a unique ID | Aug 24 05:03 |
| ThistleWeb | they assume that not only your copy of windows may be pirated, but also the software you install on it and the media you have on it | Aug 24 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | it deletes your IP address from the information it stores | Aug 24 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | no they don't | Aug 24 05:03 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, and their computer phones home to Microsoft every 2 weeks | Aug 24 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | there's a hardware hash, but they don't send a detailed profiling | Aug 24 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have to | Aug 24 05:04 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, and if they dont what happens? | Aug 24 05:04 |
| ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: have you nothing better to do that to keep wasting time here trolling under various names? | Aug 24 05:04 |
| fewa | What happens if they turn off their Windows from phoning home DaemonFC ? | Aug 24 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | the hardware hash doesn't tell them what individual components you have | Aug 24 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a collective ID that's stored alongsie your serial | Aug 24 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | that could be you, me, anybody | Aug 24 05:05 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, the privacy policy completely contradicts you. | Aug 24 05:05 |
| ThistleWeb | get kicked (eventually) after a prolonged period of trolling, just to bounce back in and keep it going | Aug 24 05:05 |
| ThistleWeb | why? | Aug 24 05:05 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't know what you mean "various names" | Aug 24 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | I've always used this name or one damned close to it | Aug 24 05:06 |
| ThistleWeb | how many Daemon names do you have? | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | The tools collect information such as: | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * Computer make and model | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * Version information for the operating system and software using Genuine Advantage | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * Region and language settings | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * A unique number assigned to your computer by the tools (Globally Unique Identifier or GUID) | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * Product Key (hashed) and Product ID | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * BIOS name, revision number, and revision date | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * Hard drive volume serial number (hashed) | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * ) | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | In addition to the configuration information above, status information, such as the following, is also transferred: | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * Whether the installation was successful if one was performed | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * The result of the validation check, including information about any activation exploits and any related malicious or unauthorized software found, disabled or removed. | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | * The name and a hash of the contents of the computer's start-up instructions file (commonly called the boot file) to help us discover activation exploits that modify this file. | Aug 24 05:06 |
| fewa | http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/PrivacyInfo.aspx | Aug 24 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | the hash is based on the components you have, yes | Aug 24 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | it does not send them a detailed profile | Aug 24 05:07 |
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| ThistleWeb | even the location on the server says it all /genuine/ | Aug 24 05:07 |
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| ThistleWeb | it's their excuse | Aug 24 05:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm wating for MattDaemon to arrive lol | Aug 24 05:08 |
| fewa | WGA clearly collects alot of information | Aug 24 05:08 |
| ThistleWeb | or maybe he'd not thought of that one | Aug 24 05:08 |
| fewa | Its essentially a evidence collect tool ECT | Aug 24 05:08 |
| ThistleWeb | the WGA does qualify as spyware | Aug 24 05:09 |
| ThistleWeb | and the OGA | Aug 24 05:09 |
| fewa | *evidence collection tool | Aug 24 05:09 |
| fewa | The Breach Response Tool (BRT) is used with computers running Windows Vista to detect activation exploits. This tool scans your computer for known activation exploits and notifies you if any activation exploits are found. Data is sent to Microsoft from computers running Windows Vista SP1 and later; no data is sent from computers running Windows Vista RTM. | Aug 24 05:09 |
| ThistleWeb | it also acts as a backdoor to accept instructions to denegrate a PC if it deems it's a prated copy | Aug 24 05:09 |
| fewa | I.E.: This tool downloads arbitrary code to your computer which it executes with Administrator permissions | Aug 24 05:10 |
| ThistleWeb | did the OGA come into being? or was it shelved | Aug 24 05:10 |
| ThistleWeb | last I heard about it, it was in the making | Aug 24 05:11 |
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| ThistleWeb | but it may well have been announced with all the usual fanfare MS reserve for consumer hostile updates | Aug 24 05:11 |
| fewa | Why don't people just use OpenOffice.org, no product keys, no "Genuine Advantage" spyware and evidence collection | Aug 24 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | because it's not compatible with Office | Aug 24 05:11 |
| fewa | Don't get treated like a criminal, get your critical software for free in a form you can audit it | Aug 24 05:12 |
| ThistleWeb | back again, despite being kicked TWICE for trolling | Aug 24 05:12 |
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| *fewa has kicked DaemonFC from #boycottnovell (ban evading) | Aug 24 05:12 | |
| ThistleWeb | why? | Aug 24 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow hes finally gone? | Aug 24 05:12 |
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| ThistleWeb | for now | Aug 24 05:13 |
| ThistleWeb | unless I'm reading it wrong, that ban is rather large | Aug 24 05:13 |
| ATT, "No Skype for you!" http://government.zdnet.com/?p=5279 | Aug 24 05:13 | |
| ThistleWeb | in that it affects many more peeps than just him | Aug 24 05:13 |
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| fewa | will that work? | Aug 24 05:13 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno, I'm hopeless at irc commands like that | Aug 24 05:14 |
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| ThistleWeb | I had to wait until he was kicked before to copy the command into my ignore list | Aug 24 05:14 |
| ThistleWeb | even then he was still showing | Aug 24 05:14 |
| fewa | hmm in xchat there is a auto mask if you just use the persons nick | Aug 24 05:14 |
| ThistleWeb | it looks more precise now though | Aug 24 05:14 |
| ThistleWeb | I was reluctant to ban all opera, or all dynamic comcast IPs before, is IN, Indiana? | Aug 24 05:15 |
| fewa | opera is a name | Aug 24 05:15 |
| fewa | well i guess opera browser IRC from that netmask | Aug 24 05:16 |
| ThistleWeb | normally it'd be India, but I doubt comcast opperate there | Aug 24 05:16 |
| fewa | is opera users in indiana | Aug 24 05:16 |
| ThistleWeb | yep it'll be the default opera irc name | Aug 24 05:16 |
| ThistleWeb | which can't number that many to be fair | Aug 24 05:16 |
| ThistleWeb | but it's the principle | Aug 24 05:16 |
| There is no privacy in Windows. M$ now has it sending encrypted data back to themselves. | Aug 24 05:16 | |
| ThistleWeb | not only that, but they don't let anyone see the code that's doing it | Aug 24 05:17 |
| fewa | And if you block it it reverts to its default of assuming you are a criminal | Aug 24 05:17 |
| ThistleWeb | comparing to canonical is nonsense, since almost everything they do can be examined and modified if need be | Aug 24 05:18 |
| I do not understand why people use Windows. | Aug 24 05:18 | |
| fewa | yep, trolling | Aug 24 05:18 |
| fewa | Canonical data is fully option, and fully public | Aug 24 05:18 |
| fewa | as is the option Fedora system information, and the Linux oops project | Aug 24 05:19 |
| ThistleWeb | all I've seen him do tonight is act like a MS employee, fending off any criticism with bullshit | Aug 24 05:19 |
| ThistleWeb | if he's not being paid for his efforts maybe he should be | Aug 24 05:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes not very good at it | Aug 24 05:19 |
| ThistleWeb | so he fits with the same quality control that MS is famous for | Aug 24 05:20 |
| ThistleWeb | they're not very good at anything, just persistant | Aug 24 05:20 |
| Ars dissects ATT and Apple nonsense about VOIP http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/08/critics-call-shenanigans-in-wake-of-apple-att-fcc-replies.ars | Aug 24 05:20 | |
| fewa | meh hes been doing this forever | Aug 24 05:21 |
| fewa | 2009 May 30 02:17:59 PDT<DaemonFC>Office feels more solid, but I can definitely see why a lot of users would cheap out and use OOo with the OOXML support plugin | Aug 24 05:21 |
| ThistleWeb | why does he keep getting fresh chances here? | Aug 24 05:22 |
| ThistleWeb | personally I wouldn't let him back in at all | Aug 24 05:22 |
| ThistleWeb | it's one thing to have a bad day and get drawn into an argument | Aug 24 05:23 |
| ThistleWeb | he does seem rather persistent, not only with the tech stuff, but with some rather right wing, political, social rasict etc views aimed to stir people up | Aug 24 05:24 |
| ThistleWeb | anyone who persists in trying to get in somewhere they KNOW they're not wanted suggests to me they either have no life or get some benefit from causing repeated disruption | Aug 24 05:26 |
| Helios gets punched by crappy US insurance and health care scams. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/time-help-open-source-hero | Aug 24 05:26 | |
| on suing M$ astroturfers http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/identity-of-skank-blogger-revealed-20090824-evw1.html | Aug 24 06:01 | |
| astroturfers would like to hide behind "trash talk" and "opinion" but the thrust of their attacks are that the target is dishonest, incompetent and otherwise less than trust worthy - serious libel, especially when done for money by a PR firm. | Aug 24 06:03 | |
| It is a shame, but not surprising, that lawsuits like this are aimed at Google instead of M$ friendly ISPs or telcoms | Aug 24 06:05 | |
| ThistleWeb | maybe I need a better fitting tinfoil hat, but I don't see anything MS related in that story | Aug 24 06:05 |
| fewa | twitter, also fraud and mis-representation | Aug 24 06:06 |
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| tessier | ThistleWeb: Make it tight enough and you'll see whatever you want to see | Aug 24 07:07 |
| tessier | twitter: What makes Helios and open source hero? I recently stumbled across his blog but I am not familiar with his deeds. | Aug 24 07:07 |
| tessier | a/and/an/ | Aug 24 07:07 |
| ThistleWeb | indeed | Aug 24 07:19 |
| ThistleWeb | that's the problem when you try to link everything, however remotely......it makes the genuine links look like part of the same blunderbus attack | Aug 24 07:21 |
| ThistleWeb | it makes you look obsessed | Aug 24 07:22 |
| ThistleWeb | it makes you look like you're trying to through enough allegations about in the hopes that some will stick, not unlike what MS and their astroturf army do to us | Aug 24 07:24 |
| fewa | Thats why there is this things called facts | Aug 24 07:27 |
| fewa | *these things | Aug 24 07:27 |
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| amarsh04 | one has to love our local coverage of the release of the convicted Lockerbie bomber... the .au reporter has a decidedly Scottish accent | Aug 24 09:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Aug 24 09:56 |
| schestowitz | Sobering Reminder for Retailers of Need for Compliance/Security Updates? http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/sobering-reminder-for-retailers-of-need-for-compliancesecurity-updates/?cs=35032 | Aug 24 10:02 |
| amarsh04 | transcripts later tonight at http://www.abc.net.au/pm/ | Aug 24 10:06 |
| amarsh04 | credit card skimming is alive and well locally: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/24/2665391.htm | Aug 24 10:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Seems last.fm personal radio doofer refuses to play if i have adblockplus enabled. How many other sites will detect and degrade like this. | Aug 24 11:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Fancy making a home made http://www.bodelin.com/se2e/ . Cardboard, two bits of glass and some gaffer tape? | Aug 24 11:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Tech support cheat sheet http://xkcd.com/627/ | Aug 24 13:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: The Universe as seen from the music industry. http://bit.ly/C7Sa7 | Aug 24 13:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Biggest anticlimax in a song intro. Got to be 'One Night In Bangkok (CHESS) - Murry Head' ? | Aug 24 13:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Come _on_ Home Delivery Network Ltd - deliver my new webcam.. it left Reading at 08:30.. is it coming here via avian carrier.. | Aug 24 13:33 | |
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| fewa | schestowitz, ahh, now I can think of why ping.fm would use <meta> redirects | Aug 24 13:51 |
| fewa | its so they can use cookies to track people | Aug 24 13:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Presentation of Georg Jacob at Froscon about software patents: http://is.gd/2wnnz | Aug 24 14:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Suggestions for where to buy small mirrors, like 4x3"? Could get a glass cutter I guess, rather not. | Aug 24 14:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wow, loads of great suggestions, thanks @spode @ColinMacD @opensourcerer @DG_Jones @markphelan ! | Aug 24 14:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @popey not sure, but I think a wet stone tile cutter might work too if you have that... | Aug 24 14:30 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: I don't use em by choice | Aug 24 14:45 |
| fewa | well this was mainly academic | Aug 24 14:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Baddies prefer Firefox and Opera : http://is.gd/2wqks | Aug 24 14:53 | |
| trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137030/Microsoft_to_halt_Live_Framework_CTP_on_Sept._8?source=rss_news | Aug 24 15:17 |
| trmanco | another ms product dies | Aug 24 15:17 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oooo logitech quickcam pro 9000 has arrived! | Aug 24 15:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @beuno Someone was just reunited with their long-lost father through Launchpad Answers. O.M.G. | Aug 24 15:36 | |
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| schestowitz | reta | Aug 24 18:00 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks | Aug 24 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | Good news | Aug 24 18:09 |
| schestowitz | We've got the full 83-page exhibits transcribed | Aug 24 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsogt smoking gun | Aug 24 18:09 |
| amarsh04 | exhibits for what? Comes vs Microsoft or something else? | Aug 24 18:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] going to pembury this evening @arkadyrose and freda. just because we can. anyone else? | Aug 24 18:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Just got a 83-page smoking gun from Microsoft transcribed. This should be fun -- Microsoft talks about bribing. | Aug 24 18:34 | |
| neighborlee | oh brother..is this a case of google getting too big for its britches or what..or some really uniformed employee taking power into their own hands...wow stunning indeed | Aug 24 18:35 |
| neighborlee | I could have seen doing something IF someones life was at risk..from this it just seems a stinging opinion | Aug 24 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | neighborlee: Did you hear that the skank is now suing Google for $15 million? | Aug 24 18:38 |
| neighborlee | I hope she wins | Aug 24 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | I hope she gets to eat shit and die | Aug 24 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | personally | Aug 24 18:38 |
| schestowitz | So We Got Hacked < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090823/0210345964.shtml > | Aug 24 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Poor dudes | Aug 24 18:38 |
| neighborlee | wwwwwwell..:) injustice was serviced yes.. | Aug 24 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Good site, why did vandals hit it? | Aug 24 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | she needs to grow up | Aug 24 18:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: 18 mil??? | Aug 24 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Aug 24 18:39 |
| schestowitz | She got free publicity just from the whole thing | Aug 24 18:39 |
| schestowitz | And she ain't hot, either. | Aug 24 18:39 |
| neighborlee | im talking about port..imho she was the one wronged here | Aug 24 18:40 |
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| DaemonFC | it's not Google's fault that some guy started a blog on their service and insulted her | Aug 24 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Stupid "Skank" http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/24/blogging-google | Aug 24 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and they should not be required to out a blogger jsut because someone asks | Aug 24 18:40 |
| neighborlee | thast not what happened | Aug 24 18:40 |
| neighborlee | gogled gave away ports privacy | Aug 24 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | they should only turn over that info with a court order | Aug 24 18:40 |
| neighborlee | and im not seeing any good reason for having done so | Aug 24 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | oh, I got that backwards then | Aug 24 18:41 |
| neighborlee | no ones life was in jeopardy. or so goes the report | Aug 24 18:41 |
| neighborlee | yup | Aug 24 18:41 |
| schestowitz | "The case erupted last week after the Manhattan Supreme Court ruled that Google must hand over the identity of the writer, who had targeted 36-year-old model Liskula Cohen online and called her a "psychotic, lying, whoring... skank". | Aug 24 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Aug 24 18:41 |
| schestowitz | So there are TWO cases | Aug 24 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Not the same one | Aug 24 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | Aug 24 18:42 |
| neighborlee | hm | Aug 24 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | they're both suing then? | Aug 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Not that I know of | Aug 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | The other one had Google expose the bloggers | Aug 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | This one is different | Aug 24 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | well if they did it without a court order, I'd say the blogger has a pretty solid case | Aug 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | This one is a Port, not Cohen | Aug 24 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | but who knows, since there was an order | Aug 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Aug 24 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | was it on Google to fight it? | Aug 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Oh..... | Aug 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I catch up now | Aug 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Port is the defamer | Aug 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | If anyone should sue, it's the defamed model | Aug 24 18:44 |
| schestowitz | "Google is being sued for $15 million (£9 million) by a blogger, Rosemary Port, whose details were released after Liskula Cohen, a Vogue cover girl, was smeared as a "skank" on the internet. " | Aug 24 18:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/6081473/Google-faces-15-million-lawsuit-for-releasing-blogger-information-in-model-row.html | Aug 24 18:44 |
| neighborlee | http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/identity-of-skank-blogger-revealed-20090824-evw1.html < thats the one I read | Aug 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz | It's good publicity for that mode... she's not that great-looking anyway | Aug 24 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Without this fiasco, people would not know her | Aug 24 18:45 |
| neighborlee | no ones life was threatened..google should have resissted imho | Aug 24 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | why do people feel the need to take a Linux distribution that already has in excess of 5,000 seeders from the real tracker and make their own torrent that has one seeder (them) and pollute other trackers? | Aug 24 18:52 |
| schestowitz | WoW players cautioned < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1530520/wow-players-cautioned > | Aug 24 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | and if thy must spam, can't they at least reseed? | Aug 24 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | *they | Aug 24 18:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can't "pollute"trackers | Aug 24 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | they could easily just submit the original torrent to the new tracker | Aug 24 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | idiots | Aug 24 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | why does Demonoid need a torrent for every version of every Linux distro ever released when the project site's torrent has enough trackers to easily sustain a download at your maximum connection speed at any given time? | Aug 24 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Aug 24 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | enough seeders | Aug 24 18:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6075132/Wednesday-is-the-most-miserable-day-of-the-week-claim-researchers.html Well, thank goodness it's.. Monday? | Aug 24 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | I mean seriously, the last time I downloaded a linux ISO off a torrent, I think I was pulling it in at like 2 MB/sec | Aug 24 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Why do YOU mind? | Aug 24 18:55 |
| schestowitz | You're a WIndows user | Aug 24 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | because they crap up the index of new torrents | Aug 24 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Have a nice cup of MSDN | Aug 24 18:55 |
| schestowitz | [and STFU :-p] | Aug 24 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll flag it inappropriate | Aug 24 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Haha. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/24/google-may-face-15m-suit-over-bloggers-outing | Aug 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "A little history: Port's blog uses Google's Blogger software. Port used her blog to call model Liskula Cohen a skank. Cohen then sued in order to find out who was behind the insult, and following a legal skirmish, a federal judge forced Google to hand over the relevant information." | Aug 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz | So Google was sud TWICE | Aug 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Is IS the model who cried like a baby and sued Google | Aug 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I have people spread libel about me. It doesn't mean I run to Google suing. | Aug 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz | That model needs to grow a knob or somehting | Aug 24 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | because you'd have to prove you were harmed and that the information was not only false, but provably so | Aug 24 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | hence, no case | Aug 24 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Microhoo may still get derailed. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/24/is-the-microsoft-yahoo-deal-anti-competitive | Aug 24 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | if I get on my blog because McDonalds hamburgers are contaminated with cyanide and they lose $10 billion and it was true and I could prove it, it's not libel | Aug 24 18:59 |
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| DaemonFC | you're probably lucky that Novell and Microsoft don't consider you worth suing | Aug 24 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | They would need to find false infomation | Aug 24 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I do cite sources from the press | Aug 24 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | they don't actually have to prove anything, they could just run you into the poor house | Aug 24 19:01 |
| schestowitz | The rest if opinion and described as such | Aug 24 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: bad PR for them and Streisand Effect | Aug 24 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that's probably why they don't | Aug 24 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | they'd just give you attention | Aug 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It's not done, generally. look at the relationship b/w Groklaw and SCO | Aug 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | They'd rather just smear the site from the outside | Aug 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft and Novell employees smear BN | Aug 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | ANd me | Aug 24 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | the people at Ubuntu Forums do not like you | Aug 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | WHo's "people"? | Aug 24 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | there was a huge post about that with tons of replies | Aug 24 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, easily dozens, and that was the last time I looked | Aug 24 19:03 |
| schestowitz | There are Novell employees in places and there is disinformation. | Aug 24 19:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah, like those in Reddit who don't like me... tturned out to be Novell employees | Aug 24 19:03 |
| schestowitz | They are more annoyed by some zealots who try to associated themselves with BN | Aug 24 19:04 |
| schestowitz | THey do more harm than good | Aug 24 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Facebook May Expand Staff by 50%, Zuckerberg Says < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a5U0NPzBl0EI > | Aug 24 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1180016 | Aug 24 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | the distro maintainers also cited you in their official position on Mono | Aug 24 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | let me see if I can find that again | Aug 24 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Why on Earth is Nokia using Windows? | Aug 24 19:06 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8219005.stm | Aug 24 19:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you show me Linsux people | Aug 24 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I don't care if an anti-Linux site hates me | Aug 24 19:06 |
| schestowitz | The more the better | Aug 24 19:06 |
| schestowitz | If anti-Linux people hate BN, then it implies BN is good for Linux | Aug 24 19:07 |
| schestowitz | My stalkers love participating in such threats to poison other people against me | Aug 24 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1200818 | Aug 24 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Psychopath | Aug 24 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | "It is common practice in the software industry to register patents as protection against litigation, rather than as an intent to litigate. Thus mere existence of a patent, without a claim of infringement, is not sufficient reason to warrant exclusion from the Ubuntu Project." | Aug 24 19:08 |
| schestowitz | directhex | Aug 24 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I've seen enough | Aug 24 19:08 |
| neighborlee | who cares if ubuntu people dont like him..fanboiitis apparantly isn't a prerequisite to logical thinking ;) | Aug 24 19:08 |
| schestowitz | The usual Mono/anti-Linux folks | Aug 24 19:08 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: it's not "Ubuntu people" | Aug 24 19:08 |
| schestowitz | It's Mono people | Aug 24 19:08 |
| neighborlee | I know,, | Aug 24 19:08 |
| schestowitz | and anti-Linux | Aug 24 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I know the names | Aug 24 19:08 |
| neighborlee | im just making a generic reply | Aug 24 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | so in other words, Ubuntu will happily ship patent infringing code until we're actually threatened and it's too late, kthxbai | Aug 24 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I've read enough for years to know some people | Aug 24 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | they act as if the fact that they've shipped it thus far without being threatened or sued protects them from such a claim later | Aug 24 19:09 |
| schestowitz | With all these smears against us, more people still choose to read and participate | Aug 24 19:09 |
| schestowitz | The trolling reduced comments cause registration is a must now | Aug 24 19:10 |
| neighborlee | if obama and health care reform,,'cared' about republicans making 'killl grandma' comments..OMgosh they might stop health care reform due to certain public outcry..but we all know its zealot lead by those likely in health care companies/lobbyists opposing it in favor of greed ;) | Aug 24 19:10 |
| schestowitz | But we have IRC | Aug 24 19:10 |
| neighborlee | so its a 'duh' moment :) | Aug 24 19:10 |
| neighborlee | maybe slightly OT, but you GOTTA see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KxjVlaLBmk | Aug 24 19:11 |
| neighborlee | look out data ;)) | Aug 24 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Apple Cillusions http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8217871.stm | Aug 24 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Brocade results disappoint Wall Street < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8217871.stm > | Aug 24 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 has even more bizarre services that do weird things | Aug 24 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | and why in the hell do they still have the NetBIOS helper service running? | Aug 24 19:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Microsoft product dies. http://bit.ly/mP1KA | Aug 24 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | New cops get new toy. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/24/taser_xrep/ | Aug 24 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | it says the commercial version of it is not going to be removed | Aug 24 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | businesses have always been more receptive to "software as a service" | Aug 24 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's even how they "buy" Linux | Aug 24 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is dead, DaemonFC | Aug 24 19:17 |
| schestowitz | It died some months | Aug 24 19:18 |
| schestowitz | It died some months ago | Aug 24 19:18 |
| schestowitz | People found out the truth | Aug 24 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | it does use far less RAM than Vista | Aug 24 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | I've noticed that | Aug 24 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | part of that seems to come from selective starting and stopping of system services | Aug 24 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | even network services | Aug 24 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | which has a tendency to knock you offline | Aug 24 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | you have to go disable them or set them to "automatic" start like they used to be | Aug 24 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.tayside.police.uk | Aug 24 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tayside.police.uk/ | Aug 24 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/24/tayside_police_defacement/ | Aug 24 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://defaced.zone-h.net/defaced/2009/08/20/www.tayside.police.uk | Aug 24 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Haha. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/24/blogger_sues_google/ | Aug 24 19:20 |
| schestowitz | I like The Register's attitude | Aug 24 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | lmfao | Aug 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | "Cohen responded by filing a defamation suit in Manhattan Supreme Court, in the hope of finding out who was behind the outrage. The court obliged, rejecting Port's defence that blogs "serve as a modern-day forum for conveying personal opinions, including invective and ranting", and therefore shouldn't be regarded as fact." | Aug 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | See how they work? | Aug 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Don't ask questions. Just sue away. | Aug 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Childs: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/24/san_francisco_rogue_admin/ | Aug 24 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Leave him alone | Aug 24 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Waste of taxpayers' money going after someone like Childs | Aug 24 19:23 |
| schestowitz | They should aim for the white-collar criminals in some offending companies | Aug 24 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Well that was pretty ####### disappointing...We could have rooted it with any one of various ####### kernel 0days but the idea of losing one while rooting these ##### was too much to bear. | Aug 24 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | cool | Aug 24 19:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/24/nokia_booklet_3g/ Why WInders? | Aug 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | that's why it amuses me when Torvalds plays off local root access vulnerabilities as "Well, you have to be standing at the machine...." | Aug 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | he damned well has to know you don't | Aug 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | you just need to compromise something running on that machine, like say, about any networked program, like Apache? | Aug 24 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs (Allegedly) Promotes Terrorism < http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2009/08/goldman-sachs-allegedly-promotes.html > | Aug 24 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha! | Aug 24 19:25 |
| schestowitz | "I won't call Lloyd Blankfein a skank. But I will point to awfully suspicious circumstances that may show full support of terrorism. Why not? It's just money." | Aug 24 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | a local privilege elevation isn't automatically a remote vulnerability but it can be used on top of one | Aug 24 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | so I really think he's doing Linux users a disservice by trying to downplay them | Aug 24 19:26 |
| schestowitz | "Well that's why they are on top, it's because they are clever! (that's a complement, not slander, FYI in case the Goldman rats are watching. muahz)" | Aug 24 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I like this theme | Aug 24 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Gordon Gekko AKA Goldman Sachs? | Aug 24 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Bus Bombings Kill At Least 11 In Iraq < http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/24/world/main5262269.shtml > | Aug 24 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the problem is that even after the Savings & Loan fraud in the 1980s, when it was plastered all over the news just how easy the system is to manipulate, the Republicans made sure to destroy even more of the regulation that kept that problem even somewhat contained | Aug 24 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | 20 years later you get the housing bubble and crash | Aug 24 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | and the splash damage kills a good number of retirement accounts | Aug 24 19:29 |
| schestowitz | It goes decades back | Aug 24 19:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't worry about retirement accounts | Aug 24 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | owned by people who were unaware that the broker even stuffed their 401k full of toxic house mortgages | Aug 24 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Give em some tobacco | Aug 24 19:29 |
| schestowitz | "Oops. Your pension got a foreclosure. Sorry..." | Aug 24 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | it was basically a carefully constructed daylight theft of not only millions of people's retirement accounts, but also the wholesale victimization of the poor and lower middle class | Aug 24 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I have press releases about speakers... like anyone gives a blip. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mark-fulgham-of-cisco-to-deliver-partner-keynote-at-2009-red-hat-summit-2009-08-24 | Aug 24 19:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-24-2009/0005081879&EDATE= | Aug 24 19:30 |
| schestowitz | This means they lack enws | Aug 24 19:31 |
| schestowitz | It's summer... it's second great depression... no-one attends confs.. so they make noise about speakers | Aug 24 19:31 |
| schestowitz | 401k becomes just 401 | Aug 24 19:31 |
| schestowitz | And 2 cents | Aug 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | then the same people that took the lion's share of the financial beating still vote Republican | Aug 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | because of their Christian Values front | Aug 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | single issue voters are the worst kind of people in my opinion | Aug 24 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | they're the easiest to manipulate | Aug 24 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | in it you have the "abortion rights" groups, the "anti-abortion" groups, the "gay marriage" voters, the "Jesus told me to hate you" voters | Aug 24 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | and the ones that vote for the guy who promises to give them the biggest "tax refund" while we're running on borrowed Chinese money | Aug 24 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | those are basically the timeless hits of American politics | Aug 24 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | not just American politics though, the politics of anyone who ever had anything to do with the British | Aug 24 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | you'll see the same sort of political blight everywhere that's been touched by the Christian church | Aug 24 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | the Protestants just put a new spin on it | Aug 24 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you know that GOD personally said that I have a right to keep all my money? | Aug 24 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's in the Constitution | Aug 24 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 24 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's why taxes are bad, God wants me to have all my money | Aug 24 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | (except the 10% that goes to the church) | Aug 24 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Yikes. http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/open_letter_michael_dell_why_i_have_no_choice_return_my_ubuntu_inspiron_mini_10 | Aug 24 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | where did the 10% figure come from anyway? | Aug 24 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Well, they don't pay taxes | Aug 24 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | I can go through my federal, state, and local taxes and it's still not as much as what the church would want from me every year | Aug 24 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Sacred things get good treatment and can't be criticised | Aug 24 19:39 |
| schestowitz | It's not like football teams and politics | Aug 24 19:39 |
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| DaemonFC | the church wants more of your income than the US government | Aug 24 19:40 |
| Omar87 | Ho | Aug 24 19:40 |
| Omar87 | Hi* | Aug 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | why aren't people angry about that? | Aug 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 24 19:40 |
| schestowitz | What does it do with the money? | Aug 24 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Do more pew? | Aug 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | not paying the government has the very real consequences of being put in jail | Aug 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | not paying the church just gets you vague threats of eternal damnation | Aug 24 19:40 |
| Omar87 | Is it true that Red Hat have some closed parts of their code? | Aug 24 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: No. | Aug 24 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | you can't use their name or their logos | Aug 24 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | the rest of the distribution is provided in source RPMs | Aug 24 19:41 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: Yeah, I know. | Aug 24 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat is not selling you their distribution, they're selling support contracts | Aug 24 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | the actual code for their distribution can be reassembled just as quickly as they update the source RPMs and you build them | Aug 24 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | CentOS often suffers a lag in security patches cause of that btw | Aug 24 19:43 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: But I meant the code itself. Some people are trying their best convince me that Red Hat, despite all their achievements in the open source industry, they still hold some parts of their distro as proprietary closed-source. | Aug 24 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | of at least a day or two after they're applied to RHEL | Aug 24 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | not true, just name and artwork, those are trademarks | Aug 24 19:44 |
| amd-linux | Apple os obviously sabotaging Linux: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592665 | Aug 24 19:44 |
| amd-linux | "os"="is" | Aug 24 19:45 |
| amd-linux | Trailers used to work for me | Aug 24 19:45 |
| amd-linux | not now anymore | Aug 24 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | that's because they don't want you using VLC's sorenson video codec | Aug 24 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | or Quicktime Alternative | Aug 24 19:45 |
| amd-linux | is there a QT codec for Linux? | Aug 24 19:46 |
| amd-linux | No. | Aug 24 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | officially, no | Aug 24 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | the official codecs are for Windows and OS X | Aug 24 19:46 |
| amd-linux | Apple is behsvng more and more like MSFT | Aug 24 19:46 |
| amd-linux | behaving | Aug 24 19:46 |
| Omar87 | amd-linux: You can't blame them. To them, Linux is a threat. | Aug 24 19:47 |
| amd-linux | Competition is always a threat. So yes, I do blame them. | Aug 24 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | Apple and Microsoft would rather compete with each other | Aug 24 19:47 |
| Omar87 | amd-linux: I think it's up to the Linux community/ecosystem to decide how compete back. | Aug 24 19:48 |
| amd-linux | This kind of behaviour is not only chuldish | Aug 24 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they always port their software between OS X and Windows | Aug 24 19:48 |
| amd-linux | but also against anything that made the internet to what it is now | Aug 24 19:48 |
| schestowitz | New NASA rocket fuel 'could be made on Moon, Mars' < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/24/nasa_alice_test/ > | Aug 24 19:49 |
| Omar87 | amd-linux: True. But saying that to MS and Apple is just as good as telling a lumberjack that cutting trees in massive amounts will harm the environment. :) | Aug 24 19:50 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: let's see.... | Aug 24 19:50 |
| schestowitz | *amd-linux | Aug 24 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Is it just apple.com or any quicktime stream? | Aug 24 19:51 |
| amd-linux | as far as I have seen it is only apple.com | Aug 24 19:53 |
| amd-linux | got this from ubuntu planet | Aug 24 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Jobs ought to have had a heart transplant | Aug 24 19:54 |
| amd-linux | he fell prey to the dark side of success..... he is brilliant, but using his genious the wrong way IMHO | Aug 24 19:56 |
| amd-linux | the Nokia notebook.... boy that must have been expensive to Micro-Soft.... | Aug 24 19:59 |
| amd-linux | PJ seems to be quite p***ed... | Aug 24 20:00 |
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| amd-linux | in the end it does not matter.... Micro-Soft has to pay to place its OS... even its XP OS from digital stoneage | Aug 24 20:01 |
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| DaemonFC | errr | Aug 24 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason Opera won't connect | Aug 24 20:02 |
| amd-linux | heck yeah cause you use this ' character | Aug 24 20:02 |
| amd-linux | in your nick | Aug 24 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | uhhm, no | Aug 24 20:03 |
| amd-linux | re Nokia netbook: but we have to admit that we lost the battle - but not the war.... | Aug 24 20:04 |
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| amd-linux | a Nokia netbook with Linux would have been a high profile win.... | Aug 24 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC | much better | Aug 24 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, the Silverex build of Xchat for Windows thinks I'm on Vista | Aug 24 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | probably just reads the major version number | Aug 24 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | Freenode was effectively bought by Ubuntu | Aug 24 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | when did I miss that? | Aug 24 20:10 |
| amd-linux | hehe that was a counterstrike to the Apple tactics wre to gstreamer headers :-) | Aug 24 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | it only affects videos on Apple.com right? | Aug 24 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | who gives a shit? :) | Aug 24 20:11 |
| amd-linux | right as far as I know but i liked to watch the trailers over there | Aug 24 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 24 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, every once in a while there's some oddball Quicktime video you run into | Aug 24 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | used to be worse | Aug 24 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | also, you used to need the real Quicktime installed to watch them, which came in and tried to take over your computer | Aug 24 20:13 |
| amd-linux | but so obviously blocking Linux users is a new quality in the game, from apple.... | Aug 24 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Media Player 12 natively supports them | Aug 24 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | as well as DivX, h.264, AAC, and a bunch of other stuff | Aug 24 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | so Quicktime on Windows is no longer really ever needed anyway | Aug 24 20:15 |
| amd-linux | that wont help me here.... | Aug 24 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Avahi (Zeroconf) on Linux: What is it Good For? < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6826/1/ > She makes the most boring articles ever | Aug 24 20:16 |
| amd-linux | 100% windows free since..... I forgot | Aug 24 20:16 |
| amd-linux | @schestowitz lol | Aug 24 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | isn't Avahi kind of like UPNP? | Aug 24 20:17 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: what's this thing about battle and PJ? | Aug 24 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Linux is poised to gain on ARM | Aug 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Nokia did a collab with Intel | Aug 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | And then with Microsoft | Aug 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | This month even | Aug 24 20:18 |
| MinceR | the part of avahi i know about is for choosing ip addresses on a subnet with no DHCP server | Aug 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | So it was expected | Aug 24 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, you're best off not to install anything Apple makes on Windows | Aug 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Linux does very well. | Aug 24 20:18 |
| MinceR | (in other words, pretty useless :> ) | Aug 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Nokia is lost | Aug 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Has been for yeras now | Aug 24 20:18 |
| MinceR | afaik nokia is moving to gnu/linux now | Aug 24 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Just trying grab lots of stuff liie Symbian and trolltech | Aug 24 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | Apple software has frequently been known to open up security holes and even prevent Windows from booting | Aug 24 20:18 |
| MinceR | also, you're best off not using anything crApple makes | Aug 24 20:18 |
| MinceR | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/1155217/Nokia-Leaks-Phone-With-Full-GNULinux-Distribution?from=rss | Aug 24 20:19 |
| amd-linux | @roy: I was talking about the Nokia netbook | Aug 24 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | Apple doesn't bother with patching their own OS in a timely manner, much less Windows ports of their software | Aug 24 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I know | Aug 24 20:19 |
| amd-linux | it was supposed to come with Linux | Aug 24 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Aug 24 20:19 |
| amd-linux | but came with Win XP | Aug 24 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They do tablets with Linux | Aug 24 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Windows is free | Aug 24 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Remember: | Aug 24 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | Bonjour stopped Vista with SP2 from booting up for about a month before Apple bothered to fix that | Aug 24 20:20 |
| MinceR | there's a nokia netbook now? | Aug 24 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Linux vs Windows = same price | Aug 24 20:20 |
| amd-linux | yeah but they have no GSM connectivity which renders them useless | Aug 24 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | Safari caused the carpet bombing exploit last year | Aug 24 20:20 |
| amd-linux | here in germany you now get a GSM flat rate for 10 Euros / month | Aug 24 20:20 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 24 20:20 |
| schestowitz | 2 yeras ago | Aug 24 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Or more | Aug 24 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | May of 2008 | Aug 24 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | and it took them a long time just to patch it, never admitting fault | Aug 24 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | they never admit the damage their software does to Windows | Aug 24 20:21 |
| MinceR | they never admit any damage their products cause | Aug 24 20:21 |
| MinceR | (see also: exploding hypePhones) | Aug 24 20:22 |
| amd-linux | their meamo MIDs are not worth the money as the need WLAN for internet connectivity... | Aug 24 20:22 |
| amd-linux | Maemo | Aug 24 20:22 |
| MinceR | that's what the N900 is supposed to fix | Aug 24 20:22 |
| amd-linux | hopefully.... I need unwatched Internet in the offcie | Aug 24 20:23 |
| amd-linux | office | Aug 24 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: My biggest Apple facepalm moment was when I saw the sticker they put on every ipod | Aug 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: chee up re Nokia | Aug 24 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't steal music" | Aug 24 20:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | They do phones | Aug 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | They'll bomb in netbooks | Aug 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Esp. with Xp-pee | Aug 24 20:24 |
| amd-linux | I think so too | Aug 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | They also do tablets | Aug 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | But it's fractional | Aug 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | They experiment | Aug 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | So fat w/o success | Aug 24 20:24 |
| amd-linux | an MID like the N810 with GSM would be akiller | Aug 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | They can't sell phone too well anymore | Aug 24 20:25 |
| schestowitz | *phones | Aug 24 20:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can't steal music | Aug 24 20:25 |
| schestowitz | That would require blanking people's brains | Aug 24 20:25 |
| schestowitz | The SOveits experimented with it back in the days of the Cold War and the US did too | Aug 24 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I used to sing in the shower and make mp3s out of it | Aug 24 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | put it in a limewire share folder | Aug 24 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | good times | Aug 24 20:26 |
| amd-linux | @DeamonFC: Holy crap!!!! | Aug 24 20:26 |
| schestowitz | You killed limewire | Aug 24 20:26 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC is the cancer that's killing limewire? :> | Aug 24 20:27 |
| MinceR | (obligatory /b/ reference) | Aug 24 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | nah, I just detest Limewire | Aug 24 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I never used it | Aug 24 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I hardly ever touched p2p | Aug 24 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have anything against sharing, but Limewire is godawful | Aug 24 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | kiddie porn and trojan horses | Aug 24 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | littered with fake mp3s | Aug 24 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | and WMA files containing viruses | Aug 24 20:28 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 24 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Can they? | Aug 24 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Buffr overflows? | Aug 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | can they what? Embed a virus in a WMA? | Aug 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | of course | Aug 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | well, not quite, but just as good | Aug 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: WMA files allow you to DRM them with the ASF wrapper | Aug 24 20:28 |
| schestowitz | **** rooted by "Rick Astley - never goona give you up" | Aug 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | the ASF wrapper contains the URL of the licensing page of the person that created the file | Aug 24 20:29 |
| MinceR | i never used limewire to access gnutella | Aug 24 20:29 |
| schestowitz | I don't swing with ASF | Aug 24 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | when you open a WMA that's been DRM'd, Windows Media Player would open the "author's" site in an embedded IE 6 window | Aug 24 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Nor wm* | Aug 24 20:29 |
| schestowitz | IE6 | Aug 24 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | which would use a browser exploit to launch a spyware installer | Aug 24 20:29 |
| schestowitz | God have mercy! | Aug 24 20:29 |
| amd-linux | :-) | Aug 24 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | or just sign the spyware installed as "Click here to get the license to play this music" | Aug 24 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 24 20:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 24 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, _goblin | Aug 24 20:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Piratebay sunk? –a look at F.A.C.T and is piracy good for Microsoft? http://tinyurl.com/maaowh #microsoft #windows #linux #piracy #tpb #fact | Aug 24 20:30 | |
| DaemonFC | so if you couldn't manage to find an IE exploit, then you could always fall back to social engineering | Aug 24 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | the signing only costs you $200 | Aug 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: | Aug 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/24/nhs_hospital_conficker/ | Aug 24 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Brits got burned by Conficker in hospitals | Aug 24 20:31 |
| schestowitz | This is like the 5th conficker incident I've heard of in UK-based hopistals | Aug 24 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There were also spyware installers that you "had to run" to "install" the music files | Aug 24 20:31 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: does the press in Germany have similar stories? | Aug 24 20:31 |
| _goblin | Ill take a look Roy, thanks. | Aug 24 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | I ran into one on bittorrent and couldn't find that album anywhere else | Aug 24 20:31 |
| schestowitz | People are dying because of WIndows. This is serious stuff. | Aug 24 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | so I opened the installer with 7zip and extracted the music files | Aug 24 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 24 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | all kinds of bad stuff in there, but the MP3 files were of decent quality :P | Aug 24 20:32 |
| amd-linux | if you mean with regard to conficker results: not that I remember them | Aug 24 20:32 |
| _goblin | NHS with Microsoft software running it is a little like playing a game of Theme Hospital. | Aug 24 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I should write a gag plugin to Sims Hospital | Aug 24 20:33 |
| amd-linux | but I know it from the birth of my children that we also have Windows in the hospitals :-((((((((( | Aug 24 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | where one of the things that can happen is a conficker infestation that crashes the life support system and kills your patients | Aug 24 20:34 |
| amd-linux | those systems currently are not running Windows fortunately | Aug 24 20:34 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: I wouldnt worry....as Microsoft says "It will be better next time" | Aug 24 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | they always brag about their "ongoing security improvements" with statistical data showing less malware infestations with every version of Windows and at every service pack level | Aug 24 20:35 |
| amd-linux | life support systems run usually something like QNS, RTOS or else | Aug 24 20:35 |
| amd-linux | QNX | Aug 24 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | but less infestations is not "no infestations" | Aug 24 20:35 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: You need to make up your mind, yesterday you were championing MS today you are slating them. | Aug 24 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | so instead of a billion infected systems, you get 500 million | Aug 24 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | it usually is something stupid the user does | Aug 24 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice if Microsoft could integrate Security Essentials | Aug 24 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | but they would run the antivirus cartel out of business | Aug 24 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | and have them bitching to the EU | Aug 24 20:36 |
| amd-linux | NO it would be nicer if MS would go out of business soon! | Aug 24 20:37 |
| amd-linux | they are a pest to mankind with their crap products.... | Aug 24 20:37 |
| amd-linux | and Gate's wet phantasies to rule the world | Aug 24 20:38 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: I believe the majority of MS faithful on the net are proprietary firms dependent on Windows selling....dont knock your allies. | Aug 24 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Zemlin pimps IDC. http://www.linux-foundation.org/weblogs/jzemlin/2009/08/13/i-was-at-the-first-linuxcon/ | Aug 24 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately we have Justin Frankel to blame for Gnutella | Aug 24 20:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <_goblin> DaemonFC: I wouldnt worry....as Microsoft says "It will be better next time" | Aug 24 20:40 |
| schestowitz | If there is any | Aug 24 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | (the network Limewire uses) | Aug 24 20:40 |
| amd-linux | Linus might blame me but MSFT=MON=XE (aka Blackwater) | Aug 24 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Gnutella is a scourge | Aug 24 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | you're comparing Microsoft to Blackwater? | Aug 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's a stretch | Aug 24 20:41 |
| amd-linux | forgot HAL | Aug 24 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | I wasn't aware that Microsoft employed contract killers for the CIA | Aug 24 20:41 |
| amd-linux | in their unehtical business behaviour, yes , I do | Aug 24 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft hasn't killed anyone | Aug 24 20:42 |
| amd-linux | unethical | Aug 24 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | they aren't a private army of mercenaries | Aug 24 20:42 |
| amd-linux | A company never can kill anybody | Aug 24 20:42 |
| amd-linux | only individuals can | Aug 24 20:42 |
| _goblin | oh....you're back on side with MS then daemon...tha didnt take long. | Aug 24 20:42 |
| amd-linux | Blackwater also never killed anybody | Aug 24 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | no, I said comparing them to Blackwater is stupid | Aug 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/19/cfh_defends_itself/ | Aug 24 20:43 |
| amd-linux | this is your opinion, and I accept it. But I ahve another opinion | Aug 24 20:43 |
| amd-linux | have | Aug 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Aug 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | | Many of the incidents that have been reported by CfH include failure of | Aug 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | | the systems used by surgeons to see X-ray pictures on a computer screen | Aug 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | | in wards and operating theatres. On some occasions the system is believed | Aug 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | | to have crashed during an operation, forcing surgeons to suspend the | Aug 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | | procedure while a hard copy of the X-ray is found. | Aug 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | `---- | Aug 24 20:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/19/cfh_defends_itself/ | Aug 24 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | amd-linux: headache, aneurysm | Aug 24 20:43 |
| _goblin | "they aren't a private army of mercenaries" - Certainly not, mercenaries tend to be better organized and also to deliver what they promise. | Aug 24 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't make such distinctions | Aug 24 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 24 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | /sarcasm | Aug 24 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | you're being overly dramatic | Aug 24 20:44 |
| amd-linux | to make it clear: 99% of all MS employees are people like you and me | Aug 24 20:44 |
| _goblin | something you have never been guilty of Daemon? | Aug 24 20:45 |
| amd-linux | you earning their mones | Aug 24 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | you're comparing a pain in the ass that sells bad software to a private army of contract killers | Aug 24 20:45 |
| amd-linux | money | Aug 24 20:45 |
| _goblin | shall we start quoting your views from yesterday? | Aug 24 20:45 |
| amd-linux | but their brain is rotten | Aug 24 20:45 |
| amd-linux | like MON, like XE | Aug 24 20:45 |
| amd-linux | top management I am talking, Ballmer et al | Aug 24 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | you're right, Internet Explorer = Gunning down 17 civilians | Aug 24 20:46 |
| amd-linux | no, it is about ethics | Aug 24 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | you don't see that you're the one that's depraved and unethical? | Aug 24 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | you're trivializing Blackwater | Aug 24 20:46 |
| amd-linux | if MSFT would be in Blackwaters business, yes they would cover gunning down people | Aug 24 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | nice logical fallacy | Aug 24 20:46 |
| _goblin | amd-linux: I wouldnt bother....its like trying to have a conversation about quantum mechanics with Jar Jar Binks when talking with Daemon. | Aug 24 20:47 |
| amd-linux | you are absolutely right that Blackwters crimes are worse | Aug 24 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft talks of Jihad | Aug 24 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | and if circles were rectangles, they'd have four points | Aug 24 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | you're an idiot | Aug 24 20:47 |
| schestowitz | And it's Gates that stifles interop | Aug 24 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | just admit it | Aug 24 20:47 |
| schestowitz | He's a nasty wwasel smiling and wearing sweaters :-) | Aug 24 20:47 |
| schestowitz | The docs show this | Aug 24 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer amuses me | Aug 24 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Big one coming this wek | Aug 24 20:47 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: and don't forget the MS faithful and their drones who make the same remarks. | Aug 24 20:48 |
| amd-linux | no, I want to make clear that missing ethics in business lead to bad results | Aug 24 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | amd-linux: You're trying to play connect the dots | Aug 24 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | and failing miserably | Aug 24 20:48 |
| amd-linux | the results are worse, obviously, in the case ob Blackwater | Aug 24 20:48 |
| _goblin | amd-linux: look at Daemons views from yesterday. That clearly shows what ethics he has.... | Aug 24 20:48 |
| amd-linux | but the cause is the same | Aug 24 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | the Salvation Army = Blackwater | Aug 24 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | McDonalds = Blackwater | Aug 24 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | the local supermarket is a business | Aug 24 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | are they equal to Blackwater? | Aug 24 20:49 |
| _goblin | Shestowitz: I'm going to agree with Diablo for once.....can't we remove the troll? | Aug 24 20:49 |
| amd-linux | @DeamonFC you know what I mean, they are not equal | Aug 24 20:49 |
| amd-linux | but only because they are in another business | Aug 24 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | but your town grocery store is a business, that means that they're Blackwater | Aug 24 20:50 |
| amd-linux | dont get tha5t | Aug 24 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | they charge high prices, that's just like killing people | Aug 24 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | their produce is not as fresh as it could be, they're contract killers | Aug 24 20:50 |
| cubezzz | _goblin, didn't you have ops before? | Aug 24 20:50 |
| _goblin | yep | Aug 24 20:50 |
| amd-linux | they are not charging high pricing, in fact we have a stiff competition here in retail grocery in germany | Aug 24 20:50 |
| _goblin | every so often when Roy is busy etc.. | Aug 24 20:50 |
| _goblin | Im not keen on it, but in the case of Daemon he needs to go. | Aug 24 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | amd-linux: You'd think the Germans would know something about depravity | Aug 24 20:51 |
| amd-linux | let me look up depravity | Aug 24 20:51 |
| _goblin | yesterday he was arguing almost the exact opposite to what he is saying now. | Aug 24 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | isn't belittling or denying the holocaust a crime there? | Aug 24 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | cause you're doing the same thing | Aug 24 20:51 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: shut up you lowlife. | Aug 24 20:51 |
| amd-linux | denying it is, yes | Aug 24 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | you're an extremist | Aug 24 20:52 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: that subject is one of the saddest moments in human history, it does not need bringing up in a tech discussion, especially by you....... | Aug 24 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | looking for anything that justifies his views | Aug 24 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | he's doing the same thing as denying the holocaust | Aug 24 20:53 |
| amd-linux | @DeamonFC: dont get what you want to tell me | Aug 24 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | when he trivializes Blackwater | Aug 24 20:53 |
| amd-linux | AGAIN: Blackwater, Monsanto and Microsoft have one thing in common | Aug 24 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Monsanto is not Microsoft either | Aug 24 20:54 |
| amd-linux | MISSING BUSINESS ETHICS | Aug 24 20:54 |
| amd-linux | got it? | Aug 24 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | you're a tool | Aug 24 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | I understand that much | Aug 24 20:54 |
| _goblin | amd-linux: like I say, talking with DaemonFC is like a conversation with Jar Jar Binks. | Aug 24 20:54 |
| amd-linux | or with Elisa II | Aug 24 20:54 |
| amd-linux | :-) | Aug 24 20:54 |
| _goblin | :) | Aug 24 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: you can be his co-tool | Aug 24 20:55 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: yep.....thanks | Aug 24 20:55 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: what about his padawan, since I have started a Star Wars theme? | Aug 24 20:55 |
| amd-linux | DEamonFC = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA | Aug 24 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 24 20:55 |
| cubezzz | can't we just get back to dissing microsoft? :) | Aug 24 20:55 |
| amd-linux | rofl | Aug 24 20:56 |
| MinceR | :D | Aug 24 20:56 |
| _goblin | daemon has other ideas....that is until he gets kicked. | Aug 24 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | the Jedi wouldn't make a habit out of lying to get what they want | Aug 24 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | since you started the Star Wars theme | Aug 24 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | and you're much too clumsy and stupid to be a Sith | Aug 24 20:56 |
| _goblin | thats Microsofts chances out the window then. (no pun intended) | Aug 24 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | so what would you be? | Aug 24 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | You'd be one of those combat droids | Aug 24 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | simple, robotic, fun to rip apart with a lightsaber | Aug 24 20:57 |
| _goblin | hopefully the exact opposite of whatever you are supposed to be. | Aug 24 20:57 |
| MinceR | lightsabers don't rip, they cut | Aug 24 20:57 |
| MinceR | usually | Aug 24 20:57 |
| amd-linux | DeamonFC: in one thing you are right: comparing bad vs very bad is difficult | Aug 24 20:57 |
| MinceR | well, unless your combat droid is made of phrik alloy or something. | Aug 24 20:58 |
| MinceR | or lightsaber blades. :> | Aug 24 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | amd-linux: You're a nuisance, and _goblin is an outright pain in the ass | Aug 24 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | that wasn't difficult | Aug 24 20:58 |
| >ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Aug 24 20:59 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Aug 24 20:59 | |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to MinceR | Aug 24 20:59 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Vibroblades | Aug 24 20:59 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!*@c-69-245-224-210.hsd1.in.comcast.net | Aug 24 20:59 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked DaemonFC from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Aug 24 20:59 | |
| amd-linux | It was just getting funny :-) | Aug 24 20:59 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Aug 24 20:59 | |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 24 20:59 |
| cubezzz | I wasn't really sure what he was talking about | Aug 24 21:00 |
| MinceR | he was dissing someone | Aug 24 21:00 |
| amd-linux | me neither ;-) | Aug 24 21:00 |
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| MinceR | i gathered that much | Aug 24 21:00 |
| _goblin | anyway....daemonFC youve been given the role of Jar Jar Binks....one you fill very well. | Aug 24 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | He'll sing the blues in the shower tonight (and make mp3s from it) | Aug 24 21:01 |
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| amd-linux | rofl | Aug 24 21:01 |
| amd-linux | hey, everybody likes jar jar | Aug 24 21:02 |
| amd-linux | Vader would have been worse.... | Aug 24 21:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | I like this channel much more without daemon here | Aug 24 21:03 |
| amd-linux | hmmm, Diablo, you joined right after Deamon was kicked..... so how can you know? | Aug 24 21:03 |
| _goblin | lol | Aug 24 21:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | amd-linux: uh, what? | Aug 24 21:04 |
| amd-linux | if you are not identical to DeamonFC | Aug 24 21:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | he was banned before I went to bed | Aug 24 21:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | who let him back in? | Aug 24 21:04 |
| amd-linux | ok sorry did not know that | Aug 24 21:04 |
| cubezzz | how long does a ban last? | Aug 24 21:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: forever | Aug 24 21:04 |
| amd-linux | IP based ban lasts a few seconds | Aug 24 21:04 |
| amd-linux | as long as it takes to turn of the DSL modem and turn it back on | Aug 24 21:05 |
| amd-linux | off | Aug 24 21:05 |
| MinceR | we could ban by ISP | Aug 24 21:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | amd-linux: not true | Aug 24 21:05 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 24 21:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can ban the whole subnet | Aug 24 21:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and isps with multiple subnets just equate to multiple bans | Aug 24 21:05 |
| amd-linux | holy crap in my case thast would be quite some people | Aug 24 21:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup | Aug 24 21:05 |
| cubezzz | well, if it's a static ip... | Aug 24 21:05 |
| MinceR | also, daemons and devils (diablo) are distinct from each other ;) | Aug 24 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Demons use Vista | Aug 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Diablo uses Linux AFAIK | Aug 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Vista: the OS from Hell | Aug 24 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Linus: the OS from Bill Gates's own personal Hell | Aug 24 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, Linux | Aug 24 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Hey, what OS does steveb use? And billg? | Aug 24 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I bet they might be using XP | Aug 24 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | bill doesnt even use computers anymore | Aug 24 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Just look at internal VIsta E-mails | Aug 24 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Also, steveb couldn't manage to fix an infected Windows machine for DAYS | Aug 24 21:11 |
| MinceR | bill doesn't need computers, he's a failed lawyer | Aug 24 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: not at all | Aug 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | They had to bring it in for Microsoft engineers to work on... like monkeys and lightbulbs | Aug 24 21:12 |
| MinceR | and ballmer probably just buys another PC when one gets infected | Aug 24 21:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: steve ballmer is kind of an idiot | Aug 24 21:12 |
| cubezzz | He's crazy I'd say | Aug 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but he was given a university diploma many years later as honorary | Aug 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | He was one heck of a legal dude | Aug 24 21:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | bill quit college to make money | Aug 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Knew how to break the law and get away with it | Aug 24 21:13 |
| MinceR | i wonder of "daemon" in this case is an alternative spelling of "demon" or the old word for neutral evil outsiders :> | Aug 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean by Netscape?" | Aug 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean by extinguish?" | Aug 24 21:13 |
| cubezzz | daemon is a Unix term isn't it? | Aug 24 21:13 |
| MinceR | that too | Aug 24 21:13 |
| MinceR | probably named after Maxwell's demon | Aug 24 21:14 |
| cubezzz | it's interesting that Linux caught on so much more than BSD, but BSD is actually older | Aug 24 21:14 |
| cubezzz | yeah MinceR, that's what wikipedia says | Aug 24 21:16 |
| MinceR | System V is even older :> | Aug 24 21:16 |
| cubezzz | didn't BSD come from the breakup of AT&T? | Aug 24 21:16 |
| trmanco | http://imgur.com/TxCoY.jpg | Aug 24 21:17 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/ "HTTP Server Error 503" | Aug 24 21:17 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure | Aug 24 21:17 |
| MinceR | trmanco: lol | Aug 24 21:17 |
| trmanco | ahhhhhh | Aug 24 21:17 |
| trmanco | not again | Aug 24 21:17 |
| trmanco | when will twitter learn that they need more server power | Aug 24 21:17 |
| trmanco | and in various locations | Aug 24 21:18 |
| schestowitz | When they make money maybe | Aug 24 21:18 |
| schestowitz | It's a weird site | Aug 24 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Many users, no income | Aug 24 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Digg even | Aug 24 21:19 |
| cubezzz | wikipedia says 1977 for BSD but I am not 100% sure it was open source since 1977 | Aug 24 21:19 |
| cubezzz | surely that predates Unix System V | Aug 24 21:19 |
| MinceR | well, then AT&T Unix | Aug 24 21:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | bsd is older than 1977 | Aug 24 21:19 |
| cubezzz | 1983 for System V | Aug 24 21:20 |
| schestowitz | System vi | Aug 24 21:20 |
| trmanco | http://www.cracked.com/blog/clippy-finally-messes-with-the-wrong-word-doc/ | Aug 24 21:20 |
| trmanco | 6 | Aug 24 21:20 |
| MinceR | vi vi vi? | Aug 24 21:20 |
| schestowitz | System emacs is from 1983 or so, no? | Aug 24 21:20 |
| schestowitz | The emacs OS | Aug 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | With some Linus/X 'around' it | Aug 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | LXDE can do it! LXDE on Android smartphone! < http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/08/24/lxde-can-do-it-lxde-on-android-smartphone/ > | Aug 24 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Noteworthy Linux console fonts http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/noteworthy-linux-console-fonts/ | Aug 24 21:38 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/tb/9dcn4 | Aug 24 21:39 |
| trmanco | more people need to start playing quake live | Aug 24 21:39 |
| trmanco | linux people | Aug 24 21:39 |
| trmanco | or at least hit the website once a day | Aug 24 21:40 |
| trmanco | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244727 | Aug 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Does wget count? | Aug 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | We could do cron jobs ;-) j/kj | Aug 24 21:41 |
| trmanco | heh | Aug 24 21:41 |
| trmanco | I don't think so | Aug 24 21:41 |
| trmanco | I think I'm finally starting to understand regular expressions | Aug 24 21:42 |
| trmanco | PCRE | Aug 24 21:42 |
| MinceR | linux people use q3a ;) | Aug 24 21:46 |
| _goblin | I should really post more on MS-watch....that sites fallen appart since Joe left. | Aug 24 22:01 |
| _goblin | just finished a rather long post on MS stores..... | Aug 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no please | Aug 24 22:02 |
| _goblin | ? | Aug 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Chips already does | Aug 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | And it looks pathetic | Aug 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Nick has no reades | Aug 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | They seem to have left | Aug 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | And chips seems to be trolling his posts | Aug 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | It's better to neglect such sites | Aug 24 22:03 |
| _goblin | Thats a shame....the best place to challenge FUD would be MS watch since there will be legitimate MS users who read it. | Aug 24 22:03 |
| _goblin | and they are the ones who should be given an informed choice. | Aug 24 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Why Has Nokia's Netbook Got Windows, Not Linux? < http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/comment/why-has-nokia-s-netbook-got-windows--not-linux--1668 > What Gangstner group says. | Aug 24 22:04 |
| _goblin | MS Watch is where I found out about Boycott Novell. | Aug 24 22:04 |
| _goblin | and MS watch was the site which educated me to the practices of FUD spreading by dubious proprietary companies. | Aug 24 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Wilcox works with Scott Foulton now | Aug 24 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Spreading Microsoft PR in BetaNews | Aug 24 22:04 |
| _goblin | Ive not been following him since he left MS watch. | Aug 24 22:05 |
| schestowitz | The APT2 project < http://juliank.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/the-apt2-project/ > | Aug 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: if you want to reach out to the Microsoft crowd, don't | Aug 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | You're aiming at the highly indocrinated | Aug 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft employees | Aug 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | It's dyed in the wool | Aug 24 22:06 |
| _goblin | but everyone has to start somewhere. | Aug 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Mainsream sites like Digg are better | Aug 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I left over 13,000 comments there | Aug 24 22:06 |
| _goblin | a long time ago I was 100% MS..... | Aug 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | And 6-7,000 submissions | Aug 24 22:07 |
| _goblin | you see for a MS user who maybe is casual, in my opinion Digg is a little too confusing.....sites like MS watch are quite simple and straightforward and IMO the better choice. | Aug 24 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Who read em? | Aug 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Mostly pro-Microsoft enthusiasts | Aug 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | That's why they are given what they want - pro-MS PR | Aug 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Smartphone vendor slammed over privacy abuses http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Palm-Pre-privacy-issues/?kc=rss | Aug 24 22:21 |
| _goblin | very true mostly, although in my case as I say I would not have discovered BN...I would have simply been a Linux user oblivious to the underhanded tactics. I also brought readers who were Windows users over to my blog, some of which are now Linux users (and very pleased to have made the switch) | Aug 24 22:27 |
| _goblin | I do personally see a worth in contributing some time to sites like MS-Watch...whatever Joe is or isn't guilty of, he gave me a forum (and others) to put points across about Linux/FOSS that would not have been made otherwise....If you look at the end of Joes reign on MS watch, most of the comments came from Linux users and those MS faithful were very small in number....it sent out a possitive message that there are alternatives. | Aug 24 22:29 |
| *schestowitz done with tea | Aug 24 22:33 | |
| schestowitz | Should I post some news? I'm feeling so tired | Aug 24 22:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Murdoch’s London freesheet closes http://notnews.today.com/?p=619 | Aug 24 22:33 | |
| _goblin | I dont like the sound of this: | Aug 24 22:40 |
| _goblin | "The Press Team is a subset of the Marketing team, with a focus on tracking GNOME events worldwide, and communicating and engaging with journalists all over the world to help spread GNOME news." | Aug 24 22:40 |
| _goblin | sounds like its getting closer to tactics of certain proprietary companies...... | Aug 24 22:40 |
| _goblin | its one thing promoting something on the back of honest held belief and personal experience.....its another doing it within the remit of a job description.... | Aug 24 22:41 |
| _goblin | I love Gnome (although XFCE is becomming a prefered choice) I would not be prepared to be an ambassador for any one product since at any time products/preferences can and do change. | Aug 24 22:42 |
| _goblin | I remember my early experiences of Linux favored Fedora...I could not see myself using anything else..it was the best imo.....now I use Wolvix....things do change and I can't honestly say that in a years time I will still be using Wolvix, I will be using the product that is best for me...whatever that is. | Aug 24 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'd rather battle against the unethical, not embrace it | Aug 24 22:50 |
| schestowitz | The LF embraces the junk tactics too | Aug 24 22:50 |
| schestowitz | IDC studies, marketing (PR), OIN which is hoarding patents, etc. | Aug 24 22:50 |
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