| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Chromium build 3.0.197.0 (0) is available! Just upgraded. Browser is coming along very nicely. #linux #foss #ie #microsoft #windows | Jul 31 00:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Linux Outlaws ep 104 is out. Best #Linux / #foss podcast out there! Downloading the ogg now! #podcast | Jul 31 00:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ECT is trying to daemonise Boycott Novell... http://ping.fm/JvBkI | Jul 31 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-30-021-35-OP-CY-0001 | Jul 31 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | They still show their bias | Jul 31 00:13 |
| schestowitz | the 'pro' Linux people talk of "M$" | Jul 31 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "I would think that most columnists at Linux Insider would know exactly what a shill was. All they have to do is look in the mirror. " | Jul 31 00:13 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2009-July/079767.html | Jul 31 00:14 |
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| bethlynn1 | hi folks | Jul 31 00:14 |
| *bethlynn1 is now known as bethlynneee | Jul 31 00:14 | |
| schestowitz | Hey, benJIman, what's up/ | Jul 31 00:15 |
| bethlynneee | I just started blogging about the downfall of microsoft therefore I thought I should drop in and say hi. www.whatwillweuse.com | Jul 31 00:17 |
| schestowitz | ECT quotes Novell employees and calls them "blogger" | Jul 31 00:17 |
| schestowitz | bethlynneee: good blog, I've just subsribed to RSS | Jul 31 00:18 |
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| bethlynneee | thanks | Jul 31 00:19 |
| bethlynneee | gandhi con 3 is in full force | Jul 31 00:19 |
| bethlynneee | do you have any advice for someone who is just getting started? | Jul 31 00:21 |
| schestowitz | bethlynneee: yes. | Jul 31 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Subscribe to good sources of information | Jul 31 00:21 |
| bethlynneee | please do tell | Jul 31 00:21 |
| schestowitz | "Cut the crap," as they say | Jul 31 00:21 |
| schestowitz | There is a lot of white noise | Jul 31 00:21 |
| bethlynneee | as I was researching the yahoo deal the only source I could find that was upbeat is msnbc | Jul 31 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Publications that parrot press releases or other journalists of what's known trend-setting media, which serves corporate interests because it is owned by them. I could send you some links to good sources | Jul 31 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo deal is bad. The Microsoft sites flood the news with the Microsoft talking points | Jul 31 00:23 |
| schestowitz | The foolish/lazy reporters will thus echo the talking points | Jul 31 00:23 |
| schestowitz | YHOO crashes. It's telling. | Jul 31 00:23 |
| fewa | lazy | Jul 31 00:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnLWSC5p1XE&feature=related (Skip to about 40mins where he talks about the role of the media) | Jul 31 00:24 |
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| bethlynneee | and I linked someone else's blog who claimed 2 weeks ago that M$ was going to BUY yahoo. they retroactively changed their post. Not sure what to do about that other than be careful it who I link | Jul 31 00:24 |
| bethlynneee | please do send me links for good sources bethlynneicher@gmail.com | Jul 31 00:26 |
| schestowitz | People have written this nonsense for over a year and a half almost | Jul 31 00:26 |
| schestowitz | The bid is a year and a healf next week, IIRC | Jul 31 00:27 |
| schestowitz | bethlynneee: no, wait. | Jul 31 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I have some list in the site somewhere | Jul 31 00:27 |
| schestowitz | We meed folks like you to help | Jul 31 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Like sites such as mono-nono | Jul 31 00:28 |
| schestowitz | It distributes the investigation of the spin and gives more anti-spin to cite | Jul 31 00:28 |
| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/12/associated-press-yahoo-ms/ | Jul 31 00:28 |
| bethlynneee | schestowiz: can you please give me search keywords for youtube for the video you referenced. I'm going to watch it on the other computer | Jul 31 00:29 |
| fewa | schestowitz, Noam :<) | Jul 31 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Scroll down to the list of sites that I trust(ed at the time) | Jul 31 00:29 |
| schestowitz | fewa: relevant for the analysis of media behaviour in this case | Jul 31 00:29 |
| schestowitz | bethlynneee: which videos? | Jul 31 00:29 |
| fewa | i subscribe to his feed | Jul 31 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I've watched like 5,000 on YouTube since registering | Jul 31 00:30 |
| fewa | register? | Jul 31 00:30 |
| schestowitz | [on YouTube] | Jul 31 00:30 |
| schestowitz | In general | Jul 31 00:30 |
| fewa | i block youtube cookies, and flash super-cookies | Jul 31 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I watch lots of stuff on there since I gave up on TV | Jul 31 00:30 |
| schestowitz | fewa: could set up a cron job to do that | Jul 31 00:30 |
| fewa | http://www.imasuper.com/66/technology/flash-cookies-the-silent-privacy-killer/ | Jul 31 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Google cookie too | Jul 31 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Google k00kie. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2005/06/05/the-google-cookie/ | Jul 31 00:32 |
| fewa | thi is why chome's "incognito" is fake | Jul 31 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Chrome or Chomse? | Jul 31 00:33 |
| bethlynneee | nevermind on the video question. I found it | Jul 31 00:33 |
| fewa | chrome | Jul 31 00:33 |
| bethlynneee | does boycottnovell track visitor stats? | Jul 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | BTW, there are some Linux parties not to be trusted either | Jul 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | IBM and LF are sneaky. OIN too... you have to understand what motivates them financially | Jul 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | bethlynneee: hardly since the DDOS attacks began | Jul 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | We used to have AWStats running | Jul 31 00:34 |
| schestowitz | I measure traffic mostly in terms of server load now | Jul 31 00:35 |
| bethlynneee | people have tried to crack me but I haven't had denial of service issues | Jul 31 00:35 |
| bethlynneee | yet | Jul 31 00:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/165179/boycott_novell_site_suffers_ddos_attack.html | Jul 31 00:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Slashdot spins ARM CEO's Warren East statement http://ur1.ca/88mn http://ur1.ca/88mp | Jul 31 00:38 | |
| bethlynneee | I actually hope it happens. I will move. I can think of 1000's of domain names. | Jul 31 00:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] JRuby team leaves Sun, joins Engine Yard < http://ping.fm/4obNe > Oracle ain't on their mind. | Jul 31 00:39 | |
| schestowitz | Hold spinola | Jul 31 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Shame on Slashdot | Jul 31 00:39 |
| schestowitz | This RM FUD continues | Jul 31 00:39 |
| fewa | “Microsoft will continue to play an important part in this [netbook] space. If there was Windows support for the ARM processor today clearly it would be a very different marketplace. Perhaps there will be support in future but that’s really for Microsoft to comment on and not for us to comment on, I’m afraid.” | Jul 31 00:39 |
| schestowitz | It used to be something like, "it's a loss to ARM that Microsoft is incapable of supporting it' | Jul 31 00:40 |
| bethlynneee | I've got to go idle now. thanks! | Jul 31 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Rather than: "It's a loss for Windows cause Linux would gain" | Jul 31 00:40 |
| fewa | thats not "ARM Hopes To Lure Microsoft Away From Intel" | Jul 31 00:40 |
| schestowitz | fewa: ah! Yes. the smoking gun. /sarcasm | Jul 31 00:40 |
| cj | schestowitz: I'm going to email you my irc comments in case you have me on /ignore. | Jul 31 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Is this scraped? http://www.itvoir.com/portal/boxx/knowledgebase.asp?iid=1559&Cat=23 | Jul 31 00:46 |
| cj | schestowitz: you've got mail. | Jul 31 00:46 |
| _goblin | moving on...... | Jul 31 00:49 |
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| _goblin | hi! | Jul 31 00:50 |
| cj | haha. if you visit http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7439/1.html and forward-search for "ass" you find a reference to schestowitz | Jul 31 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Got E-mail from former Microsoft employee cj...... | Jul 31 00:54 |
| schestowitz | He should read this: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/irc-log-16062009.html | Jul 31 00:54 |
| cj | schestowitz: d'oh. you forgot to check your facts again! | Jul 31 00:54 |
| cj | schestowitz: please correct "former Microsoft employee" | Jul 31 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Np237 could get tossed from Debian for what he said | Jul 31 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Hey, _goblin | Jul 31 00:55 |
| _goblin | hi | Jul 31 00:55 |
| _goblin | sorry afk... | Jul 31 00:55 |
| _goblin | hows things going? | Jul 31 00:55 |
| schestowitz | <fewa> kik cj | Jul 31 00:56 |
| schestowitz | <fewa> personal attacks deserve kicking | Jul 31 00:56 |
| schestowitz | <fewa> <cj> haha. if you visit http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7439/1.html and forward-search for "ass" you find a reference to schestowitz | Jul 31 00:56 |
| >ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Jul 31 00:56 | |
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| *schestowitz has kicked cj from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) | Jul 31 00:57 | |
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| _goblin | Roy, he won't have anything to do now... | Jul 31 00:57 |
| schestowitz | He'll probably make noise like he did the last time now | Jul 31 00:57 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I know | Jul 31 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft cut his contract too | Jul 31 00:57 |
| fewa | you just have to point out the log | Jul 31 00:57 |
| _goblin | MS paid him? | Jul 31 00:57 |
| schestowitz | fewa: I know, not worth the trouble though. | Jul 31 00:58 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: aye | Jul 31 00:58 |
| fewa | yep... | Jul 31 00:58 |
| schestowitz | He blogs about BN to daemonise it too | Jul 31 00:58 |
| _goblin | wow, if they are willing to pay for CJ's "efforts" I could make a mint. | Jul 31 00:58 |
| schestowitz | And he fuels other attacks on BN | Jul 31 00:58 |
| _goblin | what exactly was CJ's pojnt anyway? did he even know? | Jul 31 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I had him on ignore, but he mailed me junk | Jul 31 00:59 |
| fewa | _goblin, if he had a point he would have made it | Jul 31 00:59 |
| schestowitz | More intimidation and insults | Jul 31 00:59 |
| schestowitz | When in fact the guy whom he defended wwas obviously at risk of being kicked | Jul 31 00:59 |
| _goblin | and don't forget the name dropping. | Jul 31 00:59 |
| _goblin | that was actually quite humorous... | Jul 31 00:59 |
| schestowitz | See the log I linked to. He knew it would get him in big trouble | Jul 31 00:59 |
| schestowitz | The following days he came in all worried about it | Jul 31 01:00 |
| schestowitz | <cj> I didn't mean it as an insult. I was looking for why this person said what they did: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/c8f92b657a955759/f03f75960160b028?lnk=raot | Jul 31 01:00 |
| schestowitz | <cj> when I tried to search for "asshole" I came to the reference "associated" | Jul 31 01:00 |
| schestowitz | <cj> and he was talking about you | Jul 31 01:00 |
| schestowitz | <cj> will you accept my apology? | Jul 31 01:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of this | Jul 31 01:00 |
| schestowitz | He posts comments in the blog of a Microsoft TE | Jul 31 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Basically attacking BN in the blogs of those other shills | Jul 31 01:01 |
| schestowitz | There's lots of good Linux news today | Jul 31 01:01 |
| schestowitz | And as bethlynneee said, it's Gandhi's phase 3 | Jul 31 01:02 |
| schestowitz | So many posts coming about Microsoft's obvious subversive actions against opposition | Jul 31 01:02 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Roy, did you know about the really nice compliment youve been given? | Jul 31 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Me? Where? | Jul 31 01:05 |
| _goblin | Ill just get the link..... | Jul 31 01:05 |
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| _goblin | sorry....stand by.... | Jul 31 01:06 |
| _goblin | right....here it is: http://osgeex.blogspot.com/2007/09/hackwerk-poster-released.html | Jul 31 01:08 |
| _goblin | He's updating it with some recent faces.... | Jul 31 01:08 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/07/30/open-source-as-an-on-ramp-to-the-cloud/ Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...... c"loud computing' | Jul 31 01:09 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: oh, yeah.. I saw that before | Jul 31 01:09 |
| _goblin | The chap is a really nice guy,,, | Jul 31 01:09 |
| _goblin | Ive been chatting with him for a while. | Jul 31 01:09 |
| _goblin | unfortunately because of him posting about FOSS, he too has been a victim of slurs and vulgar insults. | Jul 31 01:10 |
| schestowitz | He links to boycottnovell.org | Jul 31 01:10 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes, he used to be invisible in COLA (lurking) | Jul 31 01:11 |
| _goblin | offtopic: Looking forward to trying Zenwalk-Gnome 6 | Jul 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | The trolls use the usual vitriol to drive away readers.. in Marti's case using homophobia as a weapon | Jul 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | zenwalk and gnome? | Jul 31 01:12 |
| _goblin | was a big user of Zenwalk for a long time... | Jul 31 01:12 |
| _goblin | yep. | Jul 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | I think I heard about it before. | Jul 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Slackware does KDE | Jul 31 01:12 |
| _goblin | I think it was released 2 days ago.... | Jul 31 01:12 |
| _goblin | noticed it on distrowatch | Jul 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Zenwalk banned Beranger | Jul 31 01:12 |
| _goblin | I haven't used it for a long time......Ill be interested to see how its developed. | Jul 31 01:13 |
| _goblin | I must admit I am mostly partial to Gnome/Xfce (probably favoring the later) | Jul 31 01:14 |
| *schestowitz lacks sleepiness today because of excessive sleep last night | Jul 31 01:14 | |
| _goblin | and I'm still very much a Wolvix advocate... | Jul 31 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I hate staying up till sunrise | Jul 31 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Wolvix is also recommended by Beranger | Jul 31 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh you will be up all night | Jul 31 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: it's nice to be awake I find, as it's getting light at about 5:30am | Jul 31 01:15 |
| schestowitz | It's amazing that a good developer also does real work like painting buildings | Jul 31 01:15 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: not sure. I've just made something to eat. Body clock went AWOL | Jul 31 01:16 |
| _goblin | 1400-1900 are the hours I feel most tired....by 2300 I feel awake again. | Jul 31 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah stuff like that happens as well, when the sleep changes | Jul 31 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | the time you sleep | Jul 31 01:16 |
| _goblin | Ive also had a bucket of dirty chicken so Im feeling very awake (and bloated) | Jul 31 01:17 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnLWSC5p1XE#t=32m00s | Jul 31 01:17 |
| schestowitz | FAQ: Data shows overseas shift for U.S. IT jobs < http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136085/FAQ_Data_shows_overseas_shift_for_U.S._IT_jobs > | Jul 31 01:17 |
| fewa | hits the nail on the head | Jul 31 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 31 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Needs context | Jul 31 01:19 |
| schestowitz | In my cases, knowing who's who in Microsoft, for example, helps a lot | Jul 31 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Lighting a light and knowing where to find the corresponding evidence | Jul 31 01:20 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/174828.asp '“Regardless of whether Microsoft did violate the GPL, or whether it did release the code to avoid a lawsuit, Microsoft should have been more forthright in its announcement and told the whole story, Cherry said. He said the move “casts doubt” on Microsoft’s motives in the open-source arena. Perhaps it casts doubt on Microsoft’s credibility in general.' | Jul 31 01:23 |
| fewa | light at the end of the tunnel | Jul 31 01:23 |
| fewa | notice that the straight story is only distributed to those who would know the difference | Jul 31 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Jul 31 01:24 |
| fewa | to keep them from making a fuss | Jul 31 01:25 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I don't see ZenWalk i the DW feed | Jul 31 01:25 |
| schestowitz | I read the RSS and it doesn't come up | Jul 31 01:25 |
| schestowitz | fewa: it's only correct if it's Approved by Microsoft(R) | Jul 31 01:25 |
| schestowitz | As in "Vendor Recommends WIndows" (WIndow$$$) | Jul 31 01:26 |
| fewa | *Approved by Microsoft management | Jul 31 01:26 |
| schestowitz | CNN: approved by Microsoft | Jul 31 01:26 |
| fewa | (R) | Jul 31 01:26 |
| schestowitz | BN: shilled by Microsoft TEs | Jul 31 01:26 |
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| _goblin | http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05387# | Jul 31 01:28 |
| _goblin | http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05387 | Jul 31 01:28 |
| _goblin | thats the Zenwalk Gnome link. | Jul 31 01:28 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: see this one one: | Jul 31 01:29 |
| schestowitz | "What powers up SLAMPP 2.0? SLAMPP 2.0 is built using Zenwalk 6.0 as its base and Slackware Linux for packages. To compile everything into a working live CD, Linux Live scripts are used." | Jul 31 01:29 |
| schestowitz | http://slampp.abangadek.com/info/ | Jul 31 01:29 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: 2009-03-22 | Jul 31 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I knew it was familiar | Jul 31 01:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zenwalk.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=96 "2009/3/21 21:00:00 (16958 reads) " | Jul 31 01:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theengineer.co.uk/Articles/312494/Southampton+supercomputer.htm "The supercomputer, which contains 2,000 processors each with four cores, and 100TByte of storage, will run Linux and Windows programs that will allow university researchers to make complex computations in fields ranging from cancer research to climate change." | Jul 31 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jul 31 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Someone changes Asay's anti-Linux headline | Jul 31 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Used to say: "Competitors conspire with Google Android against Apples iPhone" | Jul 31 01:41 |
| schestowitz | In defense of beloved Apple: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10299412-16.html | Jul 31 01:41 |
| schestowitz | "Conspire.."A | Jul 31 01:41 |
| schestowitz | As though all those 'evil' vendors are just trying to mess with the Messiah (Jobs) | Jul 31 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of Mutex nyms there... | Jul 31 02:08 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jul 31 02:08 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what you think to this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8175410.stm | Jul 31 02:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh to late nevermind, i'll ask again later or something | Jul 31 02:16 |
| fewa | "free" is a lie | Jul 31 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | fewa: what? | Jul 31 02:16 |
| fewa | and there is hulu, youtube, blogs, vlogs, etc, etc, etc | Jul 31 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | hulu is US only | Jul 31 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | coming to UK later this year apparantly | Jul 31 02:17 |
| fewa | justin.tv | Jul 31 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | fewa: don't know about that | Jul 31 02:17 |
| fewa | go to it | Jul 31 02:17 |
| fewa | http://www.justin.tv/ | Jul 31 02:17 |
| fewa | 1663 live channels right now | Jul 31 02:17 |
| fewa | Microsoft wants to leverage itself into DRM lock-in | Jul 31 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | fewa: it said in the BBC article that they woudn't do DRM in their service | Jul 31 02:21 |
| fewa | Chomsky mentions "Joseph Stiglitz, which is not a voice from outer space" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTtPYM8RSDE | Jul 31 02:22 |
| fewa | sebsebseb, its still lock-in | Jul 31 02:22 |
| fewa | BBC is a public entitiry, people are required to pay a BBC tax | Jul 31 02:23 |
| fewa | and then BBC, with its internet MSFT corruption, forces people to use closed systems | Jul 31 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | fewa: the service isn't on BBC, the article about it was though | Jul 31 02:23 |
| fewa | The screenshot has BBC all over it | Jul 31 02:23 |
| fewa | and its UK only | Jul 31 02:23 |
| fewa | but anyways, i dont know much about it | Jul 31 02:24 |
| fewa | I dont read infomercials passed as news | Jul 31 02:25 |
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| bethlynneee | hi folks | Jul 31 03:41 |
| bethlynneee | thanks for the advice earlier today. | Jul 31 03:42 |
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| ha ha. I wonder how true this is. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3589 | Jul 31 05:56 | |
| hello, anti-trust! | Jul 31 05:56 | |
| can you say "monopoly rent," using your monopoly revenue to crush competitors in other markets? | Jul 31 05:57 | |
| oiaohm | http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/please-linus-torvalds-dont-go-microsoft-on-us-33178 Nice logical fear. | Jul 31 06:00 |
| oiaohm | Compared to what MS has been losing in the Online services sections of MS its nothing twitter | Jul 31 06:01 |
| fewa | Microsoft cannot compete in a free market | Jul 31 06:14 |
| fewa | its' modus operandi is to spend money and corner some market | Jul 31 06:15 |
| fewa | and then milk it for all its worth | Jul 31 06:15 |
| oiaohm | MS history is they are not very good at that fewa | Jul 31 06:24 |
| fewa | IBM had to do it form them | Jul 31 06:24 |
| fewa | or they have to do it anti-competitively and illegally like with Office | Jul 31 06:24 |
| oiaohm | Exactly not very good at it. | Jul 31 06:26 |
| oiaohm | Major reason why MS has got where they have is really no one has tried to fully compete with them. | Jul 31 06:27 |
| fewa | lying and defrauding Novell | Jul 31 06:27 |
| oiaohm | Novell has an equally bad history of dirt as MS before they got mixed up with MS. | Jul 31 06:29 |
| fewa | just had to say what they did illegally to get Office | Jul 31 06:31 |
| fewa | misrepresenting what their product would do, and what APIs it would have, to Novell, who at the time had a popular Word processor | Jul 31 06:31 |
| fewa | in order to sabatogue it | Jul 31 06:32 |
| fewa | but yeah, what dirt has Novell been into historically? | Jul 31 06:32 |
| oiaohm | Look closer. Novell never made a Word processor they aquired it to use it to sue MS to get money. | Jul 31 06:36 |
| fewa | this wasn't my time | Jul 31 06:37 |
| fewa | aha | Jul 31 06:37 |
| oiaohm | Novell never been a friendly company. | Jul 31 06:37 |
| oiaohm | SCO years of dieing started with a deal they did with Novell. | Jul 31 06:37 |
| oiaohm | Novell is a covicted copy right thief in the BSD case. | Jul 31 06:39 |
| oiaohm | Novell was forced to pay the BSD case out in Unix trademark rights and source code. So locking these items so they could never be transfered to SCO. If SCO had those rights SCO would have had cases. | Jul 31 06:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes Novell has also used when they have been caught to doing wrong to destory one of there competitors with a friendly deal. | Jul 31 06:41 |
| oiaohm | MS has not been convicted as a copy right thief yet. | Jul 31 06:42 |
| oiaohm | So if anyone has the idea that Novell evil is coming from just MS is fooling themselves. | Jul 31 06:44 |
| fewa | thats a novel idea :P | Jul 31 06:47 |
| oiaohm | History of Novell doing wrong things with copyrights and ip was behind my major lack of trust of mono. | Jul 31 06:48 |
| oiaohm | Not having required patents and releasing any how is about status normal for Novell. | Jul 31 06:49 |
| fewa | you know any url redirect service that provides full headers of those who go through? | Jul 31 06:51 |
| oiaohm | I never need url redirect service | Jul 31 06:53 |
| oiaohm | So never bothered checking. | Jul 31 06:53 |
| fewa | url redirect services are going to be the source of mega bit-rot in the future | Jul 31 06:59 |
| schestowitz | BBC is interviewing Highfield again. Amazing!! | Jul 31 07:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://ping.fm/bnVr4 France Prohibits Forced Bundling (of Windows Only) | Jul 31 07:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Chrome OS (Linux) is a "Good Thing" http://ping.fm/HR81q | Jul 31 07:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Linux Desktop Monetised Through Commercial Support http://ping.fm/GHDJX | Jul 31 08:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Carrier Grade Linux Favoured for Security Reasons http://ping.fm/AncV4 | Jul 31 08:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mentor Graphics to Put Linux/Android on More Platforms http://ping.fm/e4siX http://ping.fm/NDOiw | Jul 31 08:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ZiiLabs EGG Runs Linux/Android http://ping.fm/pFOhK | Jul 31 08:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Motorola Lowers Cost of Linux/Android Phone http://ping.fm/rfWgD | Jul 31 08:12 | |
| fewa | argg tell ping to do redirects right and use a 301 or 302 | Jul 31 08:13 |
| fewa | instead of <meta redirect> | Jul 31 08:13 |
| fewa | which is super-lame schestowitz | Jul 31 08:13 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Jul 31 08:14 | |
| schestowitz | <meta> redirect won't always work | Jul 31 08:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Free Software Makes Sense to Developers http://ping.fm/UzD1Y | Jul 31 08:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU Emacs 23.1 Released with Advanced Features http://ping.fm/zV1FQ http://ping.fm/BPxsS | Jul 31 08:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolies Wrap Public Domain Content with DRM http://ping.fm/hMYNs | Jul 31 08:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MAFIAA Admits DRM is to 'Expire' Music we Buy http://ping.fm/f49zW | Jul 31 08:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux is a Top Skill in for Job Seeker http://ping.fm/NsENP | Jul 31 08:28 | |
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| _goblin | Good morning all. | Jul 31 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Hey, _goblin | Jul 31 08:42 |
| _goblin | hi! | Jul 31 08:42 |
| _goblin | you not been to bed yet? | Jul 31 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, well... slept at 2 | Jul 31 08:47 |
| *schestowitz listens to http://www.twit.tv/floss78 | Jul 31 08:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Linux Outlaws 104. Have to pop into work later on but looking forward to the weekend and Zenwalk Gnome. | Jul 31 08:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Dutch court clogs Pirate Bay http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/30/dutch_court_clogs_pirate_bay/ | Jul 31 09:18 |
| amarsh04 | Dutch court throws clogs at Pirate Bay? (-: | Jul 31 09:23 |
| _goblin | thats a new one. | Jul 31 09:24 |
| tacone | uh... so now seems like it's website responsibility to deny access from a country ? | Jul 31 09:28 |
| tacone | judges ignorance seems on par only with copyright associations ignorance. | Jul 31 09:29 |
| amarsh04 | after clicking that link, I had to look at the excessive packaging story | Jul 31 09:29 |
| oiaohm | tacone: answer would be yes. It has history going back to illegal importing of drugs. | Jul 31 09:30 |
| tacone | The press representative of The Pirate Bay, Peter Sunde, announces that he is filing criminal charges and lodging a lawsuit for defamation in Swedish court against Mr. Tim Kuik of Stichting BREIN in the Netherlands. | Jul 31 09:31 |
| tacone | http://thepiratebay.org/blog | Jul 31 09:32 |
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| oiaohm | Not going to work. Since the information Stichting Brein was using is not defamation. Disreguarding take down notices make you classed as actively taking part. | Jul 31 09:34 |
| oiaohm | So not protected by safe habour rules of international law. | Jul 31 09:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's symbolic | Jul 31 09:34 |
| oiaohm | Sorry when you are international under netherlands law you don't have to be informed until after case is settled. | Jul 31 09:37 |
| oiaohm | Just like under netherlands law a trafficer of drugs and other items who is living in another country does not have to be informed. | Jul 31 09:37 |
| oiaohm | Technically they don't even have to be informed until the set foot in the netherlands. | Jul 31 09:38 |
| tacone | i believe sunde consulted a lawyer before trying | Jul 31 09:38 |
| oiaohm | Yep nasty land and go straight to jail. | Jul 31 09:38 |
| tacone | he is complaining about being told to be the DOSser, not about the rest | Jul 31 09:39 |
| schestowitz | "just lost 20 followers on Twitter; assuming it's not something I said, presumably more spam cleared out - and that's good... #twitterspam " http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/2935644954 | Jul 31 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Twitter is cleaning up a bit | Jul 31 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Problem here tacone pirate bay guys are going to find out that disreguarding law on one hand leaves you without much protection from deformation claims. | Jul 31 09:42 |
| tacone | not really. putting aside reputation | Jul 31 09:43 |
| oiaohm | A person taking part in a known action against the law person does have the right to presume wrong on other illegal actions. | Jul 31 09:43 |
| oiaohm | In that case about best person can hope for is a public sorry. | Jul 31 09:44 |
| tacone | right. it has to be seen where did he made his presumptions | Jul 31 09:44 |
| tacone | aside from that, i think defamation laws are often abused. | Jul 31 09:45 |
| *amarsh04 is just hearing about the 2GB defamation case | Jul 31 09:46 | |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Twitter have been purging spam accounts over the last few days.... | Jul 31 09:50 |
| _goblin | oh sorry...you already said that... | Jul 31 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Using Free Software to Model Windows' Weaknesses < http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?blogid=14&entryid=2400 > | Jul 31 09:53 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: weeks even | Jul 31 09:53 |
| schestowitz | I saw them start about 1-2 weeks ago | Jul 31 09:53 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I had some Microsoft AstroTurf account auto-add me | Jul 31 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Let me find an example.. | Jul 31 09:54 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/08/microsoft-incentives-on-twitter/ | Jul 31 09:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.opendnssec.org/ \0/ | Jul 31 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Transparency Saves Lives < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/07/transparency-saves-lives.html > | Jul 31 09:57 |
| schestowitz | The Heart Attack Grill: Where You Can Eat Free If You Weigh Over 350 Lbs. < http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/141591/the_heart_attack_grill:_where_you_can_eat_free_if_you_weigh_over_350_lbs./?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet > | Jul 31 09:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14130644&fsrc=rss (Spies under the thumbscrews) | Jul 31 10:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Ten millennia ago, there were about six million people on Earth. Today, there are six billion." http://ping.fm/2Nqtw Contraception in need? | Jul 31 10:05 | |
| oiaohm | Humans biggest plague on earth. | Jul 31 10:13 |
| Ng | it's easily fixed | Jul 31 10:15 |
| Ng | take all the warning labels off things ;) | Jul 31 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Introducing defective cars would also reduce a lot. | Jul 31 10:16 |
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| Diablo-D3 | look | Jul 31 10:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | can we just quote Agent Smith and get it over with? | Jul 31 10:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | because thats where this is going to lead | Jul 31 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Its going to be sad if centos ends up by by | Jul 31 10:38 |
| oiaohm | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10295530-16.html good artical but they really need better colours in the chart | Jul 31 10:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Microsoft Hates Java and How Novell’s Mono Helps Microsoft Fight It http://ping.fm/iGfOQ | Jul 31 10:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Today is Sysadmin Appreciation Day. Gi's a job. Go on, gi's it. | Jul 31 10:51 | |
| Ng | oiaohm: it sounds like there's enough interested people to keep it going as a new project | Jul 31 10:51 |
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| oiaohm | https://www.scientificlinux.org/ would be my fall back Ng | Jul 31 11:08 |
| fewa | im suprised | Jul 31 11:10 |
| fewa | guess it takes financing to recompile red hat | Jul 31 11:10 |
| fewa | *compile Enterprise Linux | Jul 31 11:11 |
| oiaohm | With the stuff they control they like to audit fewa | Jul 31 11:14 |
| fewa | This is old news, but its just amazing that ebay let skype pull a microsoft http://www.theage.com.au/technology/biz-tech/shock-threat-to-shut-skype-20090731-e3qe.html | Jul 31 11:15 |
| fewa | lawl http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1321385&cid=28893779 | Jul 31 11:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Slime About ARM and Android http://ping.fm/rNwkw | Jul 31 11:33 | |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu's announcement about desktop support: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-31-005-35-PR-UB | Jul 31 11:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Russia Continues Migration to GNU/Linux in Government, Microsoft Creates New Prevention Measures http://ping.fm/5KhEx | Jul 31 11:56 | |
| schestowitz | AMC Theatres Pull Movie Listings From Washington Post; Post Hopes Movie Attendance Drops < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090730/0345595714.shtml > | Jul 31 12:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Rep Weiner states that which should be obvious: Public health care = Medicare = Works http://tinyurl.com/no4n29 #hcr #publicoption | Jul 31 12:07 | |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=3828 Nice double sided sword help to recover laptop and nuke you. | Jul 31 12:30 |
| fewa | just another reason by coreboot is essential | Jul 31 12:31 |
| fewa | also, laptop sellers could be held liable | Jul 31 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Coreboot does not exactly protect from bios level root kitting. The lack of bios write switch in a lot of laptops is a major oversite. | Jul 31 12:33 |
| fewa | propritary BIOSes are scary, closed source, completely transparent to the OS, can fake its own code when the OS asks for it, have networking stacks | Jul 31 12:33 |
| fewa | oiaohm, but my BIOSes these days seem to be pre-rooted | Jul 31 12:34 |
| fewa | or at the least horribly hacked together without security in mind | Jul 31 12:34 |
| fewa | *many | Jul 31 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Most propritary bios suppot tack on modules for like network boot so could be root kitted anyhow if you can write bios. | Jul 31 12:34 |
| oiaohm | We need 2 things. | Jul 31 12:34 |
| oiaohm | 1 auditable bioses | Jul 31 12:34 |
| fewa | need to remove network stack from BIOS | Jul 31 12:34 |
| oiaohm | 2 a god darn write switch on the flash chip so it can only be replaced with user help. | Jul 31 12:35 |
| fewa | the only way to even see the binary code of your BIOS for sure is to remove the EEPROm | Jul 31 12:35 |
| fewa | cause a BIOS can misrepresent itsself cause it controls the interrupts to read it | Jul 31 12:36 |
| fewa | can point the OS somewhere else | Jul 31 12:36 |
| oiaohm | To a point. | Jul 31 12:36 |
| oiaohm | It depends how the BIOS is connected. | Jul 31 12:37 |
| oiaohm | There is really no reason why motherboards cannot provide a read only interface for bios. | Jul 31 12:38 |
| fewa | the BIOS could still fake it | Jul 31 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Auditable design basically has equal to a flash reader on offer. | Jul 31 12:39 |
| oiaohm | If motherboard allows it to be faked you are not talking about a auditable design any more. | Jul 31 12:40 |
| oiaohm | There are some motherboards out there that you cannot dump the firmware off of them. | Jul 31 12:41 |
| oiaohm | And just to be extra annoying the directly soldered the bios on. | Jul 31 12:42 |
| fewa | i believe x86 architecture the BIOS can attach a handler to any memory access | Jul 31 12:45 |
| fewa | but that was from watching a coreboot presentation and scimming the SMM wikipedia page | Jul 31 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Some mother boards have a BIOS reader on the i2c bus of the motherboard. That is a direct flash reader. | Jul 31 12:46 |
| fewa | ahh | Jul 31 12:46 |
| oiaohm | So x86 memory layout is not a factor. | Jul 31 12:46 |
| trmanco | oops | Jul 31 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Also if done right on a i2c bus it can be jacked into without having to remove bios from motherboard to check if its alright. | Jul 31 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Nice for production diagnostics. | Jul 31 12:49 |
| trmanco | I just marked a person as a spammer accidentally | Jul 31 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... | Jul 31 12:49 |
| fewa | where? | Jul 31 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Really way of bios audit should be made standard on all motherboards. | Jul 31 12:51 |
| trmanco | I clicked on something that the only thing I could see was "user", but before it had "report" :| | Jul 31 12:51 |
| trmanco | It didn't even ask for confirmation | Jul 31 12:51 |
| trmanco | oh well | Jul 31 12:51 |
| fewa | If the BIOS couldn't talk to the outside world, it would be much less of a thread | Jul 31 12:52 |
| fewa | but have network connectivity makes a BIOS capable of doing anything | Jul 31 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Too late to turn back time. | Jul 31 12:53 |
| oiaohm | The day they swaped from rom to flash all bios basically become capable of network connect. | Jul 31 12:53 |
| fewa | why couldnt the BIOS just launch a Linux system to netboot | Jul 31 12:53 |
| fewa | instead | Jul 31 12:53 |
| fewa | thats soldered on | Jul 31 12:53 |
| fewa | Why does it have to do all these extrenous things | Jul 31 12:54 |
| oiaohm | BIOS design includes means to tack bits of extra run stuff on the end of image. | Jul 31 12:54 |
| oiaohm | EFI was designed to be more controled than the BIOS design. | Jul 31 12:54 |
| fewa | Still think dead minimal design is superior | Jul 31 12:55 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Digg is coughing again | Jul 31 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Scalability issues again, I reckon | Jul 31 12:56 |
| oiaohm | The stuff up has been with us for over 16 years fewa | Jul 31 12:56 |
| fewa | All the main boot should have to do is 1.bring up CPU, deal with SMP as approiate 2.deal with DRAM 3.start a kernel off eeprom | Jul 31 12:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Spitzer: Federal Reserve is ‘a Ponzi scheme, an inside job’ < http://ping.fm/MYlqc > it's not even Federal, it's Private and Secret. | Jul 31 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | McKinnon loses his last fight against extradition < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1495748/mckinnon-loses-fight-extradition > | Jul 31 13:00 |
| fewa | schestowitz, and run by former Goldman Sachs employees | Jul 31 13:00 |
| fewa | aka Henry Paulson's $900 AIG Government fraud | Jul 31 13:01 |
| fewa | where Goldman Sachs managed to get paid off 1-for-1 on debts that were practically worthless | Jul 31 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs is corrupt too, AFAIK | Jul 31 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs | Jul 31 13:02 |
| fewa | GoldBall Sack | Jul 31 13:03 |
| schestowitz | : http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/07/11/goldman-sachs-bubbles/ | Jul 31 13:03 |
| schestowitz | $900? | Jul 31 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Or $900bn? | Jul 31 13:03 |
| fewa | Timothy Geithner cant sell his own home. halarious: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-29-2009/home-crisis-investigation | Jul 31 13:03 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you heard of GoldmanSachs666... | Jul 31 13:04 |
| schestowitz | They tried to shut it down | Jul 31 13:04 |
| fewa | Ah wait $13B | Jul 31 13:04 |
| fewa | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/27/goldman-sachs-in-new-york_n_245480.html | Jul 31 13:04 |
| fewa | "Of the $52 billion paid to AIG's counterparties, Goldman Sachs was the biggest recipient: $13 billion, the entire balance of its claim. The amount was surprising: Banks like Merrill Lynch that had bought credit-default swaps from failed insurers other than AIG were paid 13 cents on the dollar in deals moderated by New York's insurance regulator. Eric Dinallo, the former New York State insurance commissioner, who was at the AIG meetin | Jul 31 13:04 |
| fewa | gs, characterizes the decision this way: AIG's counterparties, Goldman being the most prominent, 'got to collect on an insurance policy without having the loss.'" | Jul 31 13:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.goldmansachs666.com/ | Jul 31 13:04 |
| fewa | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/28816321/inside_the_great_american_bubble_machine/print Matt Taibbi on how Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression | Jul 31 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Have a look... | Jul 31 13:06 |
| schestowitz | No wonder GS tried to take this guy down... using trademarks | Jul 31 13:06 |
| fewa | Its protected 1st amendment speech | Jul 31 13:06 |
| fewa | thats called a SLAPP suit | Jul 31 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs was on the brink of going under... < http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/07/goldman-sachs-was-on-brink-of-going.html > I think I'll subscribe to this site.. | Jul 31 13:07 |
| fewa | strategic lawsuit against public participation | Jul 31 13:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9sTkrusp1E | Jul 31 13:08 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation | Jul 31 13:09 |
| trmanco | <trmanco> http://blog.jjtcomputing.co.uk/2009/07/29/arch-linux-2009-02/ | Jul 31 13:15 |
| trmanco | <trmanco> I might change to this distro | Jul 31 13:15 |
| trmanco | <trmanco> it's more up do date | Jul 31 13:15 |
| trmanco | <trmanco> it's how i like things | Jul 31 13:15 |
| trmanco | <trmanco> bleeding edge I guess | Jul 31 13:15 |
| trmanco | <trmanco> the next snapshot should be here soon, right? | Jul 31 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Arch is hard | Jul 31 13:15 |
| trmanco | no it isn't | Jul 31 13:16 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus uses it | Jul 31 13:16 |
| trmanco | I've installed a couple of times in a vm | Jul 31 13:16 |
| trmanco | :D | Jul 31 13:16 |
| trmanco | always successful, can't say the same about Gentoo | Jul 31 13:16 |
| fewa | I thought #1 edge distro was fedora | Jul 31 13:16 |
| trmanco | :( | Jul 31 13:16 |
| trmanco | hmmm | Jul 31 13:16 |
| trmanco | really? | Jul 31 13:16 |
| fewa | i said thought | Jul 31 13:17 |
| fewa | im asking for u to refute me | Jul 31 13:17 |
| fewa | never used arch | Jul 31 13:17 |
| trmanco | I'm not sure | Jul 31 13:17 |
| trmanco | I said that because of this: | Jul 31 13:17 |
| trmanco | "While this review is technically one of the 2009.02 release, Arch Linux uses a ‘rolling-release’ system, in which the actual system is constantly updated and then ’snapshots’ of the current packages are made into an ISO file and released every 6 months." | Jul 31 13:17 |
| trmanco | :-) | Jul 31 13:18 |
| fewa | I should try to install gentoo again | Jul 31 13:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/31/mckinnon_judicial_review_reaction/ | Jul 31 13:21 |
| schestowitz | tessier: "CentOS is not dead or going away. The signers of the Open Letter are fully committed to continue the CentOS Project. Updates and new releases will continue." http://blogs.techsentry.org/wayoutmind/2009/07/30/centos-team-responds-to-community-reaction/ | Jul 31 13:27 |
| schestowitz | The Register, as usual, sensationalised it | Jul 31 13:27 |
| schestowitz | "We would really like to continue the project using the centos.org domain. That is one of the reasons for the Open Letter. But the developers will move to another domain if there is no other option. Protective backups are in place; hot machines exist to allow for a cutover with a simple one time installation of one RPM package. We continue to refine our plans if this might be the case, to make the transition as smooth as possible." | Jul 31 13:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] From your 380 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 22,778 items, starred 3 items, shared 84 items, and emailed 0 items. | Jul 31 13:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] The impact of Michael Jackson’s death and the news for June 09 on news websites: http://is.gd/1W1Pv | Jul 31 13:39 | |
| trmanco | http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2009/07/31/quanto-custa-uma-unidade-mundial-da-microsoft/ | Jul 31 13:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Quanto custa uma unidade mundial da Microsoft?: http://is.gd/1W2mS | Jul 31 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what does it say? | Jul 31 13:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission to Dump Novell http://ping.fm/YejVt | Jul 31 13:48 | |
| trmanco | it's a critic | Jul 31 13:48 |
| schestowitz | My Google Toolbar sucks | Jul 31 13:49 |
| schestowitz | The old one, Googlebar, could do translation with one slick | Jul 31 13:49 |
| trmanco | againts the portuguese government and joice | Jul 31 13:49 |
| trmanco | and the illegalities that they make, even though they where warned, they just don't give a damn | Jul 31 13:49 |
| trmanco | they continue as if nothing was mentioned | Jul 31 13:50 |
| schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt%2F2009%2F07%2F31%2Fquanto-custa-uma-unidade-mundial-da-microsoft%2F&sl=pt&tl=en&history_state0= | Jul 31 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | There is some site called "Ethiopian Review" which entered Google news and is basically plagiarising whole articles. | Jul 31 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Linux has been needing to do very little recently. Microsoft divisions fall apart, there is no major news from them, and products like Mobile and Zune are dropping into oblivion. | Jul 31 14:04 |
| schestowitz | The news about Cent OS (the update) is encouraging because it shows that when the storm is over and Microsoft is small, those who are capable of replacing it will still be out there. | Jul 31 14:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why dos Forbes pretend that only "Linux" can do 'malicious' things like reverse-engineering? http://ping.fm/WThZA | Jul 31 14:09 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26635/1231/ "Cox’ involvement diminished when he commenced a Masters degree in Business Administration (MBA) but he continued to maintain the TTY subsystem of the Linux kernel – the very important component which drives any text terminal or serial port connection." | Jul 31 14:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Enjoying drinks and sun in Orange Square, Haywards Heath with very nice people. | Jul 31 14:28 | |
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| Hmmm, the "internet bubble" story again. There are a few big missing details in that one. | Jul 31 14:33 | |
| Like the fact that the biggest dot-bomb of all is still with us - M$. | Jul 31 14:34 | |
| and the other part of the story is that the collapse of the "bubble" was mostly ATT, M$ and others destroying legitimate companies by intentional bandwith restriction and other retrenchments that retarded the world economy for a decade. | Jul 31 14:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CentOS is NOT Dying, It’s Just Bad Reporting http://ping.fm/c7jnE | Jul 31 14:36 | |
| M$ and other non free software companies that depend on software patents are the biggest investment fraud on the market. | Jul 31 14:37 | |
| schestowitz | USPTO bubble. | Jul 31 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Bubble Boy Ballmer :-p | Jul 31 14:37 |
| trmanco | http://www.7is7.com/software/firefox/partycounter.html | Jul 31 14:39 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: oh noes | Jul 31 14:42 |
| schestowitz | When it reach 1 billion it's the end of the world | Jul 31 14:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch Mozilla breaking a record: http://ping.fm/nXVWQ (JavaScript required) | Jul 31 14:42 | |
| schestowitz | A big giant fox come out of the ground and swallows the Earth. | Jul 31 14:42 |
| ACCC asks for M$ only -> The ACCC is seeking a solution that is integrated with the ACCC’s applications (e.g. MS Office 2003 and Exchange/Outlook 2003 email) and provides for seamless capturewith the "integrity of all digital objects captured ... retained such that they will display in their ‘native’ application without any distortion or alteration as a result of having been capture | Jul 31 14:42 | |
| trmanco | lol | Jul 31 14:42 |
| this is an impossible spec. Not even M$ does what they ask. | Jul 31 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | They could consider other vendors | Jul 31 14:43 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Jul 31 14:43 |
| schestowitz | It's Australia | Jul 31 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Like the UK and US they are being 'patriotic' | Jul 31 14:43 |
| The way it's worded is "native application" | Jul 31 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | The revolution happens in Brazil, France, Germany... | Jul 31 14:43 |
| schestowitz | 999,993,xxx... | Jul 31 14:44 |
| *schestowitz ducks under the table | Jul 31 14:44 | |
| To really do that, they would have to run every version of Word, for example | Jul 31 14:44 | |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Jul 31 14:44 |
| Only GNU/Linux and Wine can give them that. | Jul 31 14:44 | |
| so perhaps they need to talk to IBM to do it right. | Jul 31 14:44 | |
| but they should realize the folly of this and begin a migration to more sane formats like ODF right away. | Jul 31 14:45 | |
| trmanco | schestowitz, in an hour | Jul 31 14:45 |
| trmanco | it will mark the one billion number | Jul 31 14:46 |
| trmanco | http://www.7is7.com/software/firefox/downloadguesstimator.html?target=1%2C000%2C000%2C000 | Jul 31 14:46 |
| IBM should capitalize on idiot contract language like the ACCC's | Jul 31 14:46 | |
| schestowitz | Total Firefox downloads: 999,996,147 | Jul 31 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Yuck. IBM.. | Jul 31 14:46 |
| schestowitz | They should build their own custom solution with FS | Jul 31 14:46 |
| *schestowitz screams | Jul 31 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | No, not really | Jul 31 14:47 |
| trmanco | http://searchengineland.com/google-expands-search-options-for-web-image-search-23391 | Jul 31 14:47 |
| schestowitz | That was very unexciting. No firefworks or anything... | Jul 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I've been thinking... say I wanted to avoid Google, OK? What would I use? | Jul 31 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | I used to be able to use Yahoo! | Jul 31 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Now look what the convicted monopolist did | Jul 31 14:51 |
| schestowitz | "Don't like Google? Come to ConvictedMonopolist(R). There is no other option" | Jul 31 14:51 |
| So should IBM. -> schestowitz: They should build their own custom solution with FS | Jul 31 14:54 | |
| and IBM has an advertising budget to exploit it. | Jul 31 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | IBM uses that only at the bottom of the stack | Jul 31 14:54 |
| they will have to move with the times | Jul 31 14:55 | |
| their business model will allow more free software as they are forced to it. | Jul 31 14:55 | |
| but it amazes me that they miss opportunities like ACCC | Jul 31 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm.. boooring today... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka-3Nwlbpcc&feature=dir | Jul 31 14:56 |
| schestowitz | I'll take a look at some Linux nwws soon.. | Jul 31 14:56 |
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| Vlack | Hello | Jul 31 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | it's nice to know that Linux is even use in US air control: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/07/on_the_faas_slo.html;jsessionid=E0ZPUDFOWGEYGQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN | Jul 31 15:05 |
| trmanco | http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/31/outage-for-wikipedia/ | Jul 31 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Is Open Source Now Getting More Unopen? < http://www.watblog.com/2009/07/30/is-open-source-now-getting-more-unopen/ > Probably has a point, but the fakers of "FOSS" go back years ago... Aras and others | Jul 31 15:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah, I noticed | Jul 31 15:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/21922/Preview_Creative_Zii_EGG Could be a nice bit of kit. | Jul 31 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Everything has outages, except the human heart where it's rare | Jul 31 15:09 |
| trmanco | even the human heart can have them | Jul 31 15:10 |
| schestowitz | If you optimise everything you will always be unhappy, said Knuth | Jul 31 15:10 |
| trmanco | and it's not really rare :-P | Jul 31 15:10 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: not as often as servers | Jul 31 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Heart also has ksplice | Jul 31 15:10 |
| trmanco | :-P | Jul 31 15:10 |
| schestowitz | It patches itself on the run... tissues and cells replaced | Jul 31 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | If humans could create a self-replicating organism (even one-cell) from scratch, that would be revolutionary | Jul 31 15:11 |
| schestowitz | You could then spawn life in other planets to evolve to its climate.. well, over billions of years when man is extinct | Jul 31 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Did you know that 99% of the Earth's species became extinct? It's weird when you learn about context in the universe (space scale) and time (fractions thereof) | Jul 31 15:13 |
| schestowitz | COOL! http://news.prnewswire.com/ViewContent.aspx?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/07-30-2009/0005069267&EDATE= | Jul 31 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Sony is giving away some datasets and stuff. | Jul 31 15:18 |
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| oiaohm | Bugger I was thinking hardware data sheets schestowitz. | Jul 31 15:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Not going to V-Movie tonight - a is unwell and f is full of toddler crack, so I'm home doing MAN-man duties *manly look* | Jul 31 15:24 | |
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| trmanco | has the world ended yet? | Jul 31 15:30 |
| trmanco | http://i32.tinypic.com/260pljl.jpg | Jul 31 15:31 |
| schestowitz | "I downloaded it once and installed it twice" Does that count? | Jul 31 15:33 |
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| _Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Jul 31 15:33 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: wb | Jul 31 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Been to Fedoa-devel, I guess. | Jul 31 15:34 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, most of the time | Jul 31 15:34 |
| _Hicham_ | but this channel is great as well | Jul 31 15:35 |
| _Hicham_ | except when some trolls come here | Jul 31 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Hurley thinks FOSS BSM is not mature enough, yet http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=C85B15E3-1A64-6A71-CEA22CEA7E633FB5 | Jul 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: we have the new policy | Jul 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | So abuse is kept out | Jul 31 15:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @firefoxmilestones: !Firefox reached 1000 million downloads on 2009-07-31 15:00 UTC yay | Jul 31 15:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @danyR: Isto -> http://yfrog.com/e5ieacid3j -> é o Internet Explorer 7 no teste acid3. Correu bem, não acham? | Jul 31 15:45 | |
| schestowitz | I saw this headline: Linuxtracker under attack! < http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/38518 > | Jul 31 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Then I thought that MAFIAA was attacking torrent as a whole, Linux included | Jul 31 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Turns out it's just DDOS harassment/nuisance | Jul 31 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | PCLinuxOS LXDE (PCLXDE) 2009 looks nice.... http://www.pclinuxonline.com/?p=174 | Jul 31 15:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Real Chrome OS or yet another fake? http://ping.fm/Oihi0 | Jul 31 15:59 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.downloadsquad.com/photos/google-chrome-os/2175691/ | Jul 31 15:59 |
| schestowitz | These would be hard to fake | Jul 31 15:59 |
| tacone | i doubt that's chrome os | Jul 31 16:00 |
| tacone | i can't see google including a penguin at any time :) | Jul 31 16:00 |
| schestowitz | It could be mockups | Jul 31 16:01 |
| tacone | oh, well, it's a list of sponsors perhaps. | Jul 31 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Would take a long time to do though | Jul 31 16:01 |
| tacone | gotta go. | Jul 31 16:01 |
| tacone | happy guessing :) | Jul 31 16:01 |
| tacone | bye | Jul 31 16:01 |
| schestowitz | cya | Jul 31 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Is Anyone at OLPC Actually Doing Windows-on-XO work? < http://www.olpcnews.com/software/windows/is_anyone_at_olpc_actually_doing_windows_work.html > | Jul 31 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | OSCON/Asay apathy t/w Freedom: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/07/open_source_the.html;jsessionid=L01MJI0R122FKQSNDLPSKHSCJUNN2JVN | Jul 31 16:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] playing the yellow car game. Why are there so few yellow cars. | Jul 31 16:15 | |
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| schestowitz | http://linuxtracker.org/index.php#ixzz0MlDSQYUA "I don't know if you've noticed or not, but Linuxtracker has been up and down more than your favorite roller coaster over the past week or so. The unsteadiness of the site is due to a number of DDOS attacks being sent against the server (its amazing how much things calm down when apache is cut off)." | Jul 31 16:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] makeup and showing a bit of leg are every bit as important in chess as in classical music http://pogonina.com (HT @craigthomler) | Jul 31 16:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Nervous About H-P and Intel Peddling Towards GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/qpS5m http://ping.fm/HkgBz | Jul 31 16:40 | |
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| theLateWallclimb | Good morning Roy | Jul 31 16:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude | Jul 31 16:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | its HP | Jul 31 16:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | stop doing that | Jul 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | H-P | Jul 31 16:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | HP | Jul 31 16:43 |
| theLateWallclimb | I just sent you an email | Jul 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Hey, theLateWallclimb | Jul 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | THanks. | Jul 31 16:43 |
| theLateWallclimb | sorry I was so late with it | Jul 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I was just preparing some daily links | Jul 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | theLateWallclimb: that's all right. I'm thankful | Jul 31 16:43 |
| theLateWallclimb | but it was a very funny exhibit | Jul 31 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I am well ahead/top of things this week, which is rare | Jul 31 16:44 |
| theLateWallclimb | i loved the last email from billg | Jul 31 16:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Opinion: Google's Linux is Killing Windows Mobile http://ping.fm/Itowq | Jul 31 16:44 | |
| schestowitz | I'm actually in a state where RSS feeds are read | Jul 31 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: You say potttato :-) | Jul 31 16:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | HP's lawyers say HP. | Jul 31 16:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Life outdoes NotN again. Check this headline: http://is.gd/1WgH7 | Jul 31 16:45 | |
| theLateWallclimb | i laughed when bill said that warren buffet loved his ipod...lol | Jul 31 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha! | Jul 31 16:46 |
| schestowitz | That'll get Mac fans curious | Jul 31 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's worth emphasis in the headline | Jul 31 16:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz until Google release official Chrome OS shots, I'm treating it as half pranks, half hype and ignoring all claims of previews | Jul 31 16:47 | |
| theLateWallclimb | there was some discussion about "plays for sure" - didn't MS get other vendors to tie into plays for sure, then drop support of it? | Jul 31 16:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @[davidgerard same here | Jul 31 16:48 | |
| theLateWallclimb | Also, BillG said his "rich friends" had ipods with thousands of songs on them...poor bill sounded envious | Jul 31 16:49 |
| schestowitz | theLateWallclimb: yes, they backstabbed MTV and others | Jul 31 16:49 |
| schestowitz | theLateWallclimb: he should get one too | Jul 31 16:49 |
| theLateWallclimb | that's what i thought... | Jul 31 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Allchin probably bought a Mac by now | Jul 31 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Cause he's not at MSFT anymore | Jul 31 16:49 |
| schestowitz | JimAll would download the Vista wallpapers to put on his Leopard and feel like home | Jul 31 16:50 |
| theLateWallclimb | there were two movie services mentioned in that email thread too, but i've never heard of them. | Jul 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | The architect of Windows 95 dumped Windows | Jul 31 16:50 |
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| theLateWallclimb | where did Allchin go? Did he start a patent troll business? | Jul 31 16:52 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 31 16:52 |
| schestowitz | He sings | Jul 31 16:52 |
| schestowitz | And probably does nothing to pass the time | Jul 31 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Weird lad | Jul 31 16:52 |
| theLateWallclimb | those years at MS probably took a toll | Jul 31 16:53 |
| theLateWallclimb | on his nerves | Jul 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | He's very happy because he quit Windows when it became a nightmare to run | Jul 31 16:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Dell's GNU/Linux Computer (Inspiron) http://ping.fm/cXKDK | Jul 31 16:53 | |
| schestowitz | Not they have Vaghte (?) | Jul 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | They put some inexperienced lad on top of Windows | Jul 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | And they rely on bribery, marketing and the usual malarkey that made VIsta look like it was AMAZING back in 2006 | Jul 31 16:54 |
| Eruaran | they're stuck with their boondoggle now | Jul 31 16:54 |
| theLateWallclimb | Yes, like Windows 7 is going to be ever so amazing too | Jul 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Jul 31 16:55 |
| theLateWallclimb | I remember reading an interview with BillG right after vista was released | Jul 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | No OS is ever being released without beaing AMZING on arrival (DoA) | Jul 31 16:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lenovo Sells IdeaPad Only with Ballnux Preinstalled (No GNU/Linux Yet) http://ping.fm/zU3Dh | Jul 31 16:55 | |
| schestowitz | *being | Jul 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | theLateWallclimb: remember the ShowUsYourWow site? | Jul 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | It's gone | Jul 31 16:55 |
| theLateWallclimb | he was asked what MS would be saying about vista two years down the road, he replied that | Jul 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | All the controibutions BillG asked for (For the site) are dead | Jul 31 16:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz No no no! CentOS is dying dying dead dead dead! With a chair through its skull! Only Mono can save it now! (may all be 0% true) | Jul 31 16:56 | |
| theLateWallclimb | they'd be saying vista wasn't good enough and people should upgrade...but I better look it up and make sure... | Jul 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Well, the 'press monkeys' already fall into the Vista 7 hype, sadly. | Jul 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz | theLateWallclimb: see internal E-mails frojm 2006 | Jul 31 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft execs knew the truth about it | Jul 31 16:57 |
| schestowitz | There was a class action lawsuit | Jul 31 16:57 |
| Eruaran | But Windows 7 *will* save Microsoft | Jul 31 16:58 |
| theLateWallclimb | what's happened with that lawsuit? did it settle? it just occured to me that i hadn't seen anything about it for a while | Jul 31 16:58 |
| Eruaran | It will heal the sick and raise the dead as well | Jul 31 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, cause everyone is buying new PCs now | Jul 31 16:58 |
| schestowitz | And new PCs 'only' cost $1000 and they always come with Windows 'hardwired' to them | Jul 31 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | Thank goodness for the great economy. Vista 7 will be a blast | Jul 31 16:58 |
| Eruaran | Not ours | Jul 31 16:58 |
| Eruaran | Idiots in the US telling investors to buy shares in Microsoft | Jul 31 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Not idiots | Jul 31 17:00 |
| schestowitz | exploiters | Jul 31 17:00 |
| schestowitz | The idiots are those buying upon advice | Jul 31 17:00 |
| Eruaran | hmm | Jul 31 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I subscribed to GoldmanSachs666 today | Jul 31 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I suggest you do too. They link to articles about the financial fiasco in general (FraudStreet) | Jul 31 17:01 |
| *Eruaran goes for a looksee | Jul 31 17:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the New GNOME Release http://ping.fm/QJxmR | Jul 31 17:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop GNU/Linux Tries to Gain Market Through Virtual Bridges http://ping.fm/dFOMW | Jul 31 17:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Powerful Applications for Schools to Run on GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/fPViO | Jul 31 17:08 | |
| theLateWallclimb | I found the Bill Gates interview quote about Vista: | Jul 31 17:09 |
| theLateWallclimb | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16934083/site/newsweek/page/0/ WEB EXCLUSIVE By Steven Levy Newsweek updated 7:42 p.m. MT, Sat., Feb. 3, 2007 | Jul 31 17:10 |
| theLateWallclimb | Q: So you feel in 2010-2011 Microsoft will be back with the next big one? Bill Gates: Absolutely. We'll tell you how Vista just wasn't good enough, and we'll know why, too. We need to wait and hear what consumers have to tell us. We don't know that, otherwise, of course, we would have done it this time. | Jul 31 17:10 |
| theLateWallclimb | lol..."otherwise we would have done it this time..." | Jul 31 17:10 |
| theLateWallclimb | gotta love it | Jul 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Steven Levy used to write for SLate.com IIRC | Jul 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft owned | Jul 31 17:11 |
| theLateWallclimb | it's always "next time we'll get it right" | Jul 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Now owned by Melinda Gates and her panel | Jul 31 17:11 |
| theLateWallclimb | Slate is owned by melinda? | Jul 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Ah, so that's why he gets the interview with Gates | Jul 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | They give him what they call "access" | Jul 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Mary Jo Foley doesn't get it | Jul 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | She 'dared' to write ciritically about MSFT at times | Jul 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | So they pubish here | Jul 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | *her | Jul 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Just comes to show you what "journalistic integrity" really means | Jul 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | It's a form of blackmail | Jul 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | theLateWallclimb: Slate.com was Microsoft-owned | Jul 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Now WashPost | Jul 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Where Melinda is on board | Jul 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Look it up in BN | Jul 31 17:13 |
| theLateWallclimb | i knew microsoft used to own it | Jul 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Jul 31 17:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @firefox: Firefox downloads: 1 billion and counting! #fxbillion | Jul 31 17:13 | |
| schestowitz | Steven Levy wrote for Salon I think | Jul 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Which is also a Microsoft fan publication | Jul 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Notorious at that.. | Jul 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Those who interview Ballmer or Gates are always their fans | Jul 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | The ones who suck up to them | Jul 31 17:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 3 New Linux Audiocasts: Linux Basement, LinuxCrazy, Linux Outlaws http://ping.fm/z0uuS http://ping.fm/FA04f http://ping.fm/PjlJl | Jul 31 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | THat's why W-E keeps dossiers on journalists | Jul 31 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | They profile them to ensure they don't ask Microsoft hard questions (grilling) | Jul 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Very brutal and dishonest there | Jul 31 17:14 |
| theLateWallclimb | I found this on digg last night (I almost hate to paste the link...but it does have some very funny stuff in it | Jul 31 17:16 |
| theLateWallclimb | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/elop/07-15-09WPC2009.mspx | Jul 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Well, that's the propaganda model at W-E/MSFT | Jul 31 17:17 |
| theLateWallclimb | There's a pep talk about halfway down the page, by Kevin Turner that's particularly funny, it's rather desperate sounding | Jul 31 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Where...? | Jul 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | BTW, last remark was about W-E and all... not the presentation | Jul 31 17:18 |
| theLateWallclimb | Supposedly he talks about "Linux "fraudulent perception of free" | Jul 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Can you find it? | Jul 31 17:18 |
| theLateWallclimb | but I never was able to find it...it's kind of hard to wade through all that sludge and fud | Jul 31 17:19 |
| theLateWallclimb | I can look again...brb | Jul 31 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Do in-page search for "Linux{" | Jul 31 17:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Beautiful Themes for Ubuntu Laid Out http://ping.fm/SXp8s | Jul 31 17:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Five Notable Features That GNU/Linux Has and Windows Hasn't http://ping.fm/cdhHU | Jul 31 17:24 | |
| theLateWallclimb | This is the link to the digg headline (lol, it only got 4 diggs) http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_COO_Linux_fraudulent_perception_of_free Microsoft COO: Linux "fraudulent perception of free" | Jul 31 17:26 |
| theLateWallclimb | but the headline is quite misleading. I googled the digg headline phrase and used the cache so it would highlight the words, if they were there. That exact phrase never showed up, so it was obviously the digg submitter's own interpretation of what was said...though there was plenty of fud in there to compensate. | Jul 31 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm...... | Jul 31 17:26 |
| schestowitz | What did they say re: Linux then? | Jul 31 17:27 |
| schestowitz | I can't check right now | Jul 31 17:27 |
| schestowitz | If I launch browser/mail I'll get too confused (multitasking too much) | Jul 31 17:27 |
| theLateWallclimb | I'm scanning through it now...back in a bit | Jul 31 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jul 31 17:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digium Explains the Success of Free Software as a Business Model http://ping.fm/0ORjp | Jul 31 17:30 | |
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| theLateWallclimb | OK, I found the quoted part...it was there. But I felt several brain cells die, screaming, as I read through that conference page... | Jul 31 17:32 |
| theLateWallclimb | "Let's talk about Windows Server. As this environment came down, you know, everybody heard, well, Linux and open source and those type of things are going to become the hot commodity. And you know what? We've competed with the fraudulent perception of free really, really well." | Jul 31 17:32 |
| theLateWallclimb | It's towards the lower third of the page... | Jul 31 17:33 |
| theLateWallclimb | Here's more: | Jul 31 17:34 |
| theLateWallclimb | "And getting the facts out about the fraudulent perception of free is something that's really resonating with customers. Our TCO (total cost of ownership) story, our security story, where we're headed from a platform standpoint. It feels so good for customers to finally understand the truth about open source and Linux and we're making incredible progress in this space, and we're going to continue to drive that. | Jul 31 17:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Portable Free Software Applications Pass 100,000,000 Milestone http://ping.fm/mdWCv Not just Firefox | Jul 31 17:34 | |
| Eruaran | oh good grief | Jul 31 17:34 |
| Eruaran | They're still banging the TCO drum | Jul 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Gartner drek | Jul 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | They paid for it | Jul 31 17:35 |
| Eruaran | And daring to bring up security ? | Jul 31 17:35 |
| Eruaran | That a joke ? | Jul 31 17:35 |
| theLateWallclimb | Yes, and throwing the word fraudulent around a lot as well | Jul 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, twice | Jul 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Says a corrupt company | Jul 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | With fraudulent benchmarks | Jul 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Fact. | Jul 31 17:36 |
| Eruaran | Kind of like listening to Nixon claim he's an honest man | Jul 31 17:37 |
| schestowitz | They knew it was fraudulent | Jul 31 17:37 |
| Eruaran | Or Clinton... "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" | Jul 31 17:37 |
| theLateWallclimb | it was from some sort of "Worldwide Partners Conference", so everyone in the audience was probably busy listening to their ipods and ignoring the speakers | Jul 31 17:37 |
| Eruaran | And playing tower defence games | Jul 31 17:38 |
| theLateWallclimb | Well, I better stop cluttering up the page with so much chatter (I'm really a very quiet person, believe it or not)...it's time for me to get to work... | Jul 31 17:39 |
| theLateWallclimb | take care, everyone... :) | Jul 31 17:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Governments in Asia http://ping.fm/ZteSB and Another City Hall Embrace Free Software http://ping.fm/bsd7B | Jul 31 17:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GPL Licensing Violation Claimed Against LiberKey http://ping.fm/oBq3S | Jul 31 17:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sony Decides to Share Its Graphics http://ping.fm/WjAbG | Jul 31 17:53 | |
| Eruaran | the "edlin" command from QDOS can still be used at the DOS prompt from PC-DOS all the way to Vista | Jul 31 17:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolies Around Publication Are Dying http://ping.fm/KH6cv http://ping.fm/YhnoO | Jul 31 18:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amazon Sued Over DRM http://ping.fm/sfQjf | Jul 31 18:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many Books Open (Freed) to the Public Like Free Software http://ping.fm/dHxxH | Jul 31 18:06 | |
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| schestowitz | FTC has just replied | Jul 31 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Jul 31 18:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @openmania Firefox descarregado mais de 1 000 000 000 de vezes | Open Mania http://bit.ly/jNto9 | Jul 31 18:20 | |
| schestowitz | Twitter has hiccups today | Jul 31 18:23 |
| *schestowitz listens to http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/ogg/104 | Jul 31 18:24 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... fabs insults Japenese in a way | Jul 31 18:50 |
| schestowitz | popey: they mention you in the show | Jul 31 18:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey: they mention you at 26mins http://ping.fm/wUhyf | Jul 31 18:52 | |
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| Xarver | Hello I support this :) | Jul 31 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Hey there | Jul 31 19:12 |
| Xarver | So I might as well stay here | Jul 31 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Jul 31 19:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Security FUD Against GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/bb4Mh | Jul 31 19:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Support #fxbillion, add a #twibbon to your avatar now! - http://twibbon.com/join/fxbillion-4 | Jul 31 20:05 | |
| Xarver | rates | Jul 31 20:12 |
| Xarver | rated* | Jul 31 20:12 |
| schestowitz | The post? | Jul 31 20:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does Microsoft Accuse Free Software of Fraud? http://ping.fm/eMn1g | Jul 31 20:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] TODAY is System Administrator Appreciation Day! http://sysadminday.com/ If you can read this message thank your system administrator! | Jul 31 20:15 | |
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| tessier__ | Happy 10th Annual Sysadmin Appreciation Day everyone! http://sysadminday.com | Jul 31 20:26 |
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| cj | thanks, tessier__ | Jul 31 20:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Countries Move to ODF, But What About Portugal? http://ping.fm/UEF31 | Jul 31 20:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @almightygod A book review of the Bible: http://bit.ly/W22Q | Jul 31 20:41 | |
| MinceR | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1276.html | Jul 31 20:45 |
| cj | You guys might like this: http://wp.colliertech.org/cj/?p=566 | Jul 31 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | wallclimber: it's almost done | Jul 31 21:16 |
| wallclimber | heh...i wandered off to the kitchen for a chicken sandwich (or a chikin samich as my grandson calls it) | Jul 31 21:25 |
| wallclimber | I've been reading the new stuff, good job! | Jul 31 21:25 |
| wallclimber | I'm downloading the PCLXDE 2009 iso. I keep looking for one that will install on a particularly difficult little computer | Jul 31 21:27 |
| wallclimber | have you ever used PCLinuxOS? | Jul 31 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I did this month. | Jul 31 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Live CD only though | Jul 31 21:29 |
| wallclimber | what did you think of it? | Jul 31 21:30 |
| wallclimber | I tried it a long time ago and thought it looked too windows-ish | Jul 31 21:31 |
| wallclimber | (it's downloading very slooowwwly) | Jul 31 21:32 |
| wallclimber | sorry, i know you're busy and for some reason i'm being extra chatty... | Jul 31 21:32 |
| wallclimber | I know you're busy | Jul 31 21:32 |
| wallclimber | i may have had too much coffee this morning :) | Jul 31 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | OK, done: | Jul 31 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates Wants to Maximise “Patented Stuff” http://ping.fm/GX4rH | Jul 31 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: it was grea | Jul 31 21:37 |
| schestowitz | *great. Froze a few times after heavy use of the Live CD, but all in all it looked very professional and worked as advetised | Jul 31 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I could even play music in the background via YouTube (on the Live CD) | Jul 31 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Exhibit added to: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Apple | Jul 31 21:40 |
| schestowitz | "I’m an American, I believe in the American Way. I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don’t think we’ve done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat.’" --Microsoft http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-257001.html | Jul 31 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, the 'open source friend'... | Jul 31 21:45 |
| schestowitz | "We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger." http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/11/05/kill_novell_allchin_fingers/ | Jul 31 21:46 |
| wallclimber | that shows just how determined and persistent MS can be when they have a target in their sights | Jul 31 21:49 |
| wallclimber | 1999 or 2009...they just never change | Jul 31 21:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] dinner made, teens herded, f is actually eating hers (and mine). looking forward to last of the vodka later. | Jul 31 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I'm looking for more good exhibits | Jul 31 21:54 |
| schestowitz | We have lots of partial ones in the Wiki, but I look for smoking guns we haven't yet in the Wiki | Jul 31 21:55 |
| schestowitz | http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/08/1247220&tid=109&tid=11&tid=106 "The truth is my job is to help Microsoft have a clear, unbiased and knowledgeable understanding of Open Source Software (OSS): the technology, the development models, how the community works, the pros and cons, and the mechanics of the overall process." | Jul 31 21:56 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* How does Microsoft justify FUD? "The reason we disclosed that [we believe Linux violates 235 patents], is because there was a request for transparency following the Novell deal last November. This was a response to that transparency." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/24/microsoft_novell_patents/ | Jul 31 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Thank for for the... errr... "transparency", Microsoft | Jul 31 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Now now... | Jul 31 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Will you be transparent enough to say WHICH patent these are? | Jul 31 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Ramji... | Jul 31 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Whata tool. | Jul 31 21:57 |
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| wallclimber | I have a folder with Microsoft stuff I've been saving for years. It isn't organized though. But maybe now's a good time to go through it and see if there's anything useful. I always save original links and such...want me to look through it? | Jul 31 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Kevin Johnson after corruption with IDC ( http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09695.pdf ) "Look at the facts based on some of the studies we didn’t pay for." http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_05/b3918010_mz001.htm | Jul 31 22:00 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: that would be great too | Jul 31 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Not that we lack things that need ousting. | Jul 31 22:00 |
| wallclimber | lol...i was afraid you'd say that :) | Jul 31 22:01 |
| schestowitz | From the same interview: "A: More and more companies will get into the business with a commercial view. They’ll have to compete with one another. They’ll want to have a unique value proposition, and that will create fragmentation of the different Linux solutions. At the end of the day, it has the potential to fragment like Unix did." | Jul 31 22:01 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: that we have enough smoking guns left? | Jul 31 22:02 |
| wallclimber | i'll skim through it and see if there's anything interesting. I'll send you what i find | Jul 31 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot! | Jul 31 22:02 |
| tacone | new (?) ubuntu patent policy https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-July/000597.html | Jul 31 22:04 |
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| wallclimber | i just burned the PCLinuxOS cd, i'm going to go try it on the computer that never seems to work with anything non-windows | Jul 31 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | wallclimber: ignore my mail | Jul 31 22:08 |
| schestowitz | We have them already | Jul 31 22:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.html | Jul 31 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It would be wasteful to redo Halloween | Jul 31 22:08 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: 2009.2? | Jul 31 22:09 |
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| Krenso | Hello | Jul 31 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 31 22:18 |
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| Krenso | Roy, I read somewhere that your father is lawyer | Jul 31 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Me? No. | Jul 31 22:20 |
| Krenso | Can lefty really sue you? | Jul 31 22:21 |
| Krenso | defamating or something like this? | Jul 31 22:21 |
| schestowitz | What sort of question is that? | Jul 31 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Rather, why bring this up in IRC? | Jul 31 22:21 |
| Krenso | Sorry | Jul 31 22:22 |
| schestowitz | And no, he made false accusations to begin with, not intentionally though | Jul 31 22:22 |
| schestowitz | He should have gone after the guy who was really the problem, and that's not me | Jul 31 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm preparing some Comes stuff going back to Halloween | Jul 31 22:23 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber: I mailed you some text of stuff that links them together | Jul 31 22:23 |
| Krenso | I just worry, he has some pr man helping him, why not some lawyer etc. | Jul 31 22:23 |
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| fewa | its called a SLAPP | Jul 31 22:23 |
| schestowitz | OK, but I'd rather we speak about issues, not people | Jul 31 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It's unproductive | Jul 31 22:24 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP | Jul 31 22:24 |
| fewa | but i dont know if there are anti-SLAPP laws in UK | Jul 31 22:24 |
| Krenso | lefty spams so much, it's just crazy | Jul 31 22:25 |
| fewa | If he sued we would know who he is | Jul 31 22:26 |
| fewa | so he wont sue | Jul 31 22:26 |
| Krenso | so it's not schlesinger? | Jul 31 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Are you still talking about people?? | Jul 31 22:27 |
| Krenso | i talk about lefty and him flooding comments | Jul 31 22:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Maps Charged With Unfair Competition In France For Daring To Be Free < http://ping.fm/hMG8n >> | Jul 31 22:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Coraline director Henry Selick on the film: http://bit.ly/2pCl5A - a must-read | Jul 31 22:29 | |
| Krenso | good nigth all | Jul 31 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Explaining Why 'If We Charge, People Will Pay' Thinking Is Misguided < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090730/0237125710.shtml > Isn't it funny that the press colludes to elevate gates and pricing to change the business model? | Jul 31 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Patents may now be ruining Skype | Jul 31 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Fortunately, there's SIP beyond it all | Jul 31 22:34 |
| fewa | patents or copyright? | Jul 31 22:35 |
| fewa | ebay was stupid | Jul 31 22:35 |
| fewa | let skype people pull a microsoft, encumber themselves with something that otherwise would be worthless | Jul 31 22:36 |
| fewa | that only has value because of network effects that they subsidized | Jul 31 22:36 |
| fewa | and then didn't even own the thing | Jul 31 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Hehe, well...... I don't worry about Skype | Jul 31 22:38 |
| schestowitz | If something bad happens to it, people will move on. Like with IM.... there's more than one contender waiting to fill the void | Jul 31 22:39 |
| fewa | yeah | Jul 31 22:40 |
| fewa | but still it seems like they screwed ebay big | Jul 31 22:40 |
| fewa | but for people this is good | Jul 31 22:40 |
| fewa | it means SIP will reign supreme | Jul 31 22:40 |
| schestowitz | I know. If you can convince peers to do the same | Jul 31 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Skype and Flash (for YouTUbe) are the main blobs I have on my system | Jul 31 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Get back the ctrl-alt-backspace behavior in Ubuntu < http://www.ghacks.net/2009/07/31/get-back-the-ctrl-alt-backspace-behavior-in-ubuntu/ > | Jul 31 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva totally disabled it. Ubuntu too IIRC. In SUSE it worked... killed X | Jul 31 22:51 |
| tacone | it's from upstream. | Jul 31 22:51 |
| schestowitz | "Twitter, Linux and Red Hat were among honorees that didn't go unscathed this time around." http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/44034 | Jul 31 22:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: When you're twenty-one, you're no fun. http://is.gd/1WHzI http://is.gd/1WHAK | Jul 31 22:53 | |
| schestowitz | 17 Cool Firefox about:config Tricks http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/07/17-cool-firefox-aboutconfig-tricks.html | Jul 31 22:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oops, e-mail security vendor McAfee spills 1400 private names < http://ping.fm/hmbMx > Another case of 'improved' security with AV s/w | Jul 31 22:56 | |
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| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-single-sign-on-systems-are-bad.html " | Jul 31 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes yes yes yes yes. *This* is what the UK government simply does not want to accept: creating a single, all-powerful "proof" of identity is actually exactly the wrong thing to do. Once compromised, it is hugely dangerous. Moreover, it gives too much power to the provider of that infrastructure - which is precisely why the government *loves* it. (Via Ideal Government.)" | Jul 31 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft could do to passwords what it did to E-mail (zombie spew) | Jul 31 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Open Source Solution for Multiple Mobile Platforms [with JavaScript] < http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7436/1.html > | Jul 31 23:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DRM is dangerous -- for vendors: "Amazon sued for sending 1984 down Orwellian memory hole" < http://ping.fm/iV6h0 > | Jul 31 23:08 | |
| wallclimber | Roy, I just sent you an email... | Jul 31 23:09 |
| fewa | ie Microsoft wants to own you | Jul 31 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Amish farmers lose court battle against RFID < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/31/rfid_cows/ > | Jul 31 23:10 |
| fewa | But passwords are insecure | Jul 31 23:11 |
| fewa | private keys are much better | Jul 31 23:11 |
| schestowitz | WHose implementation? | Jul 31 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9048438/Microsoft_confirms_that_XP_contains_random_number_generator_bug | Jul 31 23:13 |
| fewa | in that companies often store passwords as plain text | Jul 31 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Another Linux magazine has just been born: http://www.opensourc3.org/ | Jul 31 23:14 |
| schestowitz | There are also many new audiocasts | Jul 31 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Signs of growth | Jul 31 23:14 |
| schestowitz | So many articles about the Firefox milestone are fatiguing. | Jul 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | If they had counted all auto-updated it would be something like 10 billion | Jul 31 23:16 |
| schestowitz | They serve Firefox from CentOS boxes | Jul 31 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Some people think that Intel's 'open' drivers made it case closed, but no..... Intel Linux Graphics On Ubuntu Still Flaky < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_q309_flakes&num=1 > | Jul 31 23:17 |
| *Balrog__ has quit () | Jul 31 23:22 | |
| fewa | they dont include all the firefox in Linux distros | Jul 31 23:24 |
| fewa | either | Jul 31 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 31 23:29 |
| fewa | So much paid mis-information about public health care http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/239876/thu-july-30-2009-judd-apatow | Jul 31 23:30 |
| fewa | By the insurance companies that make money off the pain and suffering of millions of Americans | Jul 31 23:31 |
| fewa | invest huge sums into the tobacco companies | Jul 31 23:31 |
| fewa | wait does that work outside the US? | Jul 31 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes, not just for medical costs | Jul 31 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Also to ensure no pensions will be paid (early deaths) | Jul 31 23:32 |
| fewa | The only country with a racketeer-run system | Jul 31 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Jul 31 23:34 |
| fewa | The US | Jul 31 23:35 |
| schestowitz | It's not so bad in the US at all | Jul 31 23:35 |
| fewa | pay your insurance, OR ELSE | Jul 31 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Compared to the median | Jul 31 23:35 |
| fewa | and then when they get sick, their coverage gets cancelled | Jul 31 23:35 |
| fewa | and they force doctors to jump through hoops | Jul 31 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Intel Linux Graphics On Ubuntu Still Flaky | Jul 31 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Oops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEFoq_5RbC4 | Jul 31 23:35 |
| schestowitz | CNN Gets Blitzed by Michael Moore < CNN Gets Blitzed by Michael Moore > <-- I love this | Jul 31 23:36 |
| fewa | The US pays 2-3X as much for the worst health care in the industrial world | Jul 31 23:36 |
| fewa | in terms of the health of all citizens | Jul 31 23:36 |
| schestowitz | 37th in the world for medicare | Jul 31 23:37 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_index | Jul 31 23:37 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTh-Yu9RfF0 | Jul 31 23:37 |
| schestowitz | NZ lost its lead | Jul 31 23:38 |
| *schestowitz saves video to watch later | Jul 31 23:39 | |
| fewa | The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health. | Jul 31 23:45 |
| fewa | Come to american, pay more for less | Jul 31 23:45 |
| schestowitz | http://outbound-call-center.tmcnet.com/topics/outbound-call-center/articles/61134-virtual-bridges-ibm-canonical-intro-verde-20.htm IBM is trying to trap Ubuntu users inside Symphony proprietary lockin | Jul 31 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Symphony is pointless | Jul 31 23:47 |
| fewa | Red Hat already has virt-manager, virt-viewer, and kvm | Jul 31 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Jul 31 23:48 |
| schestowitz | virtual bridges made similar announcements before | Jul 31 23:48 |
| schestowitz | IBM always brings its proprietary stuff to the top of the stack | Jul 31 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Iraqi government officials may have colluded in British hostages' kidnap < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/30/kidnap-men-uncover-corruption > | Jul 31 23:49 |
| fewa | or XDMCP | Jul 31 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Clinton moved to halt disclosure of CIA torture evidence, court told < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/29/binyam-mohamed-cia-torture > | Jul 31 23:50 |
| schestowitz | XDMCP? | Jul 31 23:50 |
| schestowitz | What's that? | Jul 31 23:50 |
| fewa | X Display Manager Control Protocol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager | Jul 31 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Venezuela is suepending radio stations now | Jul 31 23:51 |
| fewa | thin client protocol been around since 1989 | Jul 31 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Chavez is also airing self-praising propaganda. Not sure what to make ot it...... | Jul 31 23:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1495821/adobe-updates-flash-shockwave kpdf should be fine | Jul 31 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Adobe patches 12 Flash bugs < http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136116/Adobe_patches_12_Flash_bugs_3_caused_by_Microsoft?taxonomyId=86 > | Jul 31 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Silver Lie is more such bugs... Moon Lie as well. | Jul 31 23:55 |
| schestowitz | They should leave the Web out of the execution loop. Just render pages. | Jul 31 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Some backpedaling on Debian freeze dates < http://lwn.net/Articles/344712/ > | Jul 31 23:58 |
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