Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> Bill, Ballmer, are just the latest in a long line of Robber Barons. None of them ever had to give up their wealth. It will not happen here in the USA | Sep 05 00:00 |
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MinceR | i'm afraid you're right on all counts | Sep 05 00:00 |
MinceR | but that doesn't mean it has to be that way or that it's right to be left that way. | Sep 05 00:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I wish you are right, but I have lost hope for that | Sep 05 00:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Maybe the EU | Sep 05 00:01 |
MinceR | nah | Sep 05 00:01 |
MinceR | antitrust offenders aren't punished here either | Sep 05 00:01 |
MinceR | and i'm not sure how long we'll endure the continued push for sw patents coming from the usa. | Sep 05 00:02 |
MinceR | it's interesting how people all agree that small-scale thieves might have their freedom restricted and forced to make reparations | Sep 05 00:02 |
MinceR | but the really big thieves are somehow sacred | Sep 05 00:03 |
MinceR | they must be allowed to keep their palaces filled with stacks of gold | Sep 05 00:03 |
MinceR | and they must be allowed to keep stealing | Sep 05 00:03 |
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MinceR | they're such nice people after all | Sep 05 00:03 |
schestowitz | Mutex out | Sep 05 00:03 |
MinceR | (like the one who throws chairs) | Sep 05 00:03 |
schestowitz | balzac unbanned | Sep 05 00:04 |
MinceR | that's one less troll then :> | Sep 05 00:04 |
MinceR | and that will be one more troll then | Sep 05 00:04 |
schestowitz | MinceR: I was just writing about sw patents | Sep 05 00:05 |
schestowitz | That's why I wasn't paying attentionb | Sep 05 00:05 |
schestowitz | I've just caught up | Sep 05 00:05 |
schestowitz | The wrong person was kicked IMHO because Mutex was supposed to be kicked in the morning | Sep 05 00:06 |
MinceR | mutex only said a single sentence | Sep 05 00:06 |
schestowitz | balzac is not against out cause, unlike real trolls | Sep 05 00:06 |
schestowitz | MinceR: he said more earlier | Sep 05 00:06 |
schestowitz | Camping today | Sep 05 00:06 |
MinceR | well, apparently he is for the well-being of those who only care to harm us | Sep 05 00:06 |
MinceR | i don't see how such a person can be an ally | Sep 05 00:07 |
schestowitz | Strong language can be misinterpreted on the Web | Sep 05 00:07 |
schestowitz | [in text] | Sep 05 00:07 |
schestowitz | It's better off avoided because the sensitive folks take it literally | Sep 05 00:07 |
schestowitz | We've been through this before with Omar | Sep 05 00:07 |
MinceR | i meant some of it literally | Sep 05 00:07 |
MinceR | i don't see how people who trample on the freedom of all of us every day deserve to have freedom. | Sep 05 00:08 |
MinceR | (and a lot of people don't even realize how they're being ripped off) | Sep 05 00:08 |
MinceR | i'd like to hear ballmer's explanation whether he considers his acts moral and why. | Sep 05 00:10 |
schestowitz | He can't | Sep 05 00:11 |
schestowitz | He makes money | Sep 05 00:11 |
schestowitz | So he's a good person :-) | Sep 05 00:11 |
schestowitz | Provides for the family | Sep 05 00:11 |
schestowitz | Yachts and stuff | Sep 05 00:11 |
MinceR | i'm sure | Sep 05 00:12 |
MinceR | i'm sure he believes he deserves that money more than his competitors who happen to have families of their own | Sep 05 00:12 |
MinceR | and whose only "crime" was that they dared make better products | Sep 05 00:12 |
MinceR | so he had to place a few bribes here and there to get his way | Sep 05 00:13 |
schestowitz | Just face it, you love him [video] http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/21/msft-attitude/ | Sep 05 00:13 |
MinceR | (for example in the hungarian courts) | Sep 05 00:13 |
MinceR | i have no love for criminals like him | Sep 05 00:13 |
MinceR | it would be very hard to justify why he'd have any right to any kind of freedom now | Sep 05 00:14 |
MinceR | he sets a bad example for others | Sep 05 00:14 |
MinceR | "do this and you'll be filthy rich too!" | Sep 05 00:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529 "Doomsday Seed Vault" in the Arctic Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t Some really good information on the Gates foundation money and how much it has to spend | Sep 05 00:15 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | quote: "In 2006 when most people in such a situation might think of retiring to a quiet Pacific island, Bill Gates decided to devote his energies to his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the world’s largest ‘transparent’ private foundation as it says, with a whopping $34.6 billion endowment and a legal necessity to spend $1.5 billion a year on charitable projects around the world to maintain its tax free ch | Sep 05 00:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so you spend that 1.5 billion on companies you already own or own stock in maybe? | Sep 05 00:17 |
MinceR | of course | Sep 05 00:17 |
ThistleWeb | the rules are made by those who are exploiting it | Sep 05 00:18 |
MinceR | and on forcing others to choose your products over those of competitors | Sep 05 00:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I am looking for the angle on how BG evades taxes with the foundation | Sep 05 00:18 |
ThistleWeb | they don't "invest" in politicians for nothing | Sep 05 00:18 |
MinceR | yes, and those rules are brutally enforced over us | Sep 05 00:18 |
MinceR | but i guess my freedom doesn't matter to anyone | Sep 05 00:18 |
MinceR | only that of these rich criminals | Sep 05 00:18 |
ThistleWeb | MinceR: it only matters if you have wads of cash you're looking to get rid of | Sep 05 00:19 |
ThistleWeb | even if it is other peaoples cash | Sep 05 00:19 |
ThistleWeb | peoples* | Sep 05 00:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I do see one glimer of hope here in the usa | Sep 05 00:20 |
MinceR | i don't see why some (relatively) poor people defend these criminals so much | Sep 05 00:20 |
MinceR | do they believe that they could do the same? | Sep 05 00:20 |
MinceR | or that they could get some scraps? | Sep 05 00:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its the fact that the gov cannot really tax the middle lower class anymore. Their only real source on revenue is to raise taxes on the rich now | Sep 05 00:21 |
MinceR | doesn't matter | Sep 05 00:21 |
MinceR | they threaten you with guns to make you pay and then they waste all that money | Sep 05 00:21 |
MinceR | or keep it | Sep 05 00:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | peope are broke here | Sep 05 00:21 |
MinceR | "taxing" is just an euphemism for "robbery" | Sep 05 00:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | 12.5% official unemployment rate here | Sep 05 00:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | unofficial at least 22% | Sep 05 00:22 |
MinceR | s/ing/ation/ | Sep 05 00:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Calif-Nevada | Sep 05 00:23 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, unofficial | Sep 05 00:23 |
schestowitz | They change definitions to embellish | Sep 05 00:23 |
schestowitz | Not to cause panic | Sep 05 00:23 |
schestowitz | The new tune is that there is a recovery | Sep 05 00:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | more than that Roy | Sep 05 00:23 |
schestowitz | Just ignore those 0.30.05 ml that are fired every month | Sep 05 00:24 |
Chips_B_Malroy | none here | Sep 05 00:24 |
schestowitz | *.3-.5 | Sep 05 00:24 |
ThistleWeb | plenty of peeps are excluded from figures | Sep 05 00:24 |
ThistleWeb | unedr 18? | Sep 05 00:24 |
ThistleWeb | under* | Sep 05 00:24 |
ThistleWeb | still unemployed, but since they can't sign on, they dont count in the figures | Sep 05 00:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the state govs are laying off the last few months as well, as the tax base in most states have decreased by 20% | Sep 05 00:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb: exactly | Sep 05 00:25 |
ThistleWeb | these figures are currency for politicians | Sep 05 00:26 |
ThistleWeb | accuracy is irrelevant | Sep 05 00:26 |
ThistleWeb | they will be spun to whatever agenda the speaker is trying to further | Sep 05 00:26 |
ThistleWeb | highly selective | Sep 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: same here | Sep 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | Public sector cuts | Sep 05 00:27 |
ThistleWeb | intended to be interpreted in whatever way you see fit | Sep 05 00:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | They choosed to protect the banks, insurance companies at taxpayers expense. While taxpayers were losing their jobs and homes. | Sep 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | Though I've been sent some nice info about post-doc openings in Oxford | Sep 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | BN is more important ATM | Sep 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it's like labour and quantitative targets | Sep 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | Playing by numbers | Sep 05 00:28 |
ThistleWeb | of course | Sep 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | Let the patients sleep in the hallway, then say you met targets of # of bed | Sep 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | *beds | Sep 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | Sort of cheat to cur corners and meet targets | Sep 05 00:29 |
schestowitz | *cut | Sep 05 00:29 |
ThistleWeb | they have no idea that the public have lost trust in the lot of them | Sep 05 00:29 |
schestowitz | There's a BBC documentary about it | Sep 05 00:29 |
schestowitz | I can find it... | Sep 05 00:29 |
schestowitz | Wait... | Sep 05 00:29 |
ThistleWeb | that's the norm | Sep 05 00:29 |
ThistleWeb | fiddle the priorites to meet the targets, because the targets mean resources | Sep 05 00:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: No [News] postings to COLA today, what's up? | Sep 05 00:30 | |
schestowitz | Bugger | Sep 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | YouTube removed older copies | Sep 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | There are some distored ones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LaJBhJH0I4&feature=PlayList&p=317E5B3F4833C863&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=18 | Sep 05 00:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst huh? Yes, I posted. http://bit.ly/UcPw5 | Sep 05 00:33 | |
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_Hicham_ | I was just trying Ubuntu Karmic | Sep 05 00:40 |
_Hicham_ | it has serious regressions | Sep 05 00:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] lolwut http://itmanager3.intel.com we need a flash game of BOFH. or The IT Crowd. | Sep 05 00:41 | |
schestowitz | I like thois picture: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/attacks-on-iis-reported/ | Sep 05 00:42 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Software Patents Do Not Apply to Microsoft http://ping.fm/yx2aF | Sep 05 00:45 | |
_Hicham_ | i dont see the relationship | Sep 05 00:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Sorry Roy, I missed the [News] post, my fault. I was a bit to inpatient. | Sep 05 00:46 | |
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M$ FTP Fail. ha ha. | Sep 05 00:46 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | MS likes software patents as Bill comes from a legal family. So patents, copywrites, contracts with other companies, on top of lock in of formats etc. are seen as MS knowhow. They have embraced the lockin so much, that IMO they have forgotten to fix Windows the core product. | Sep 05 00:48 |
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ThistleWeb | why should they fix something if they ensure the customers have no choice but to buy it? That would mean spending money they dont need to, which eats into the profits | Sep 05 00:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The one thing MS cannot seem to learn, is that Patent Trolls, and other companies, sue companies that have lots of money. MS is a big fat target for patent lawsuits. | Sep 05 00:50 |
ThistleWeb | they only start to have to fix things when enough customers get a whiff of the competition, and that competition is better than their product | Sep 05 00:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb> only because they are bleeding desktop market share | Sep 05 00:51 |
ThistleWeb | IE was stagnant before Firefox | Sep 05 00:51 |
ThistleWeb | due to Firefox, MS had no choice but to address it's flaws before it lost ALL of it's market share | Sep 05 00:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst glad you find 'em useful | Sep 05 00:52 | |
ThistleWeb | the response was a much better, but still not great, still not standards compliant IE7 | Sep 05 00:52 |
schestowitz | Today's IRC log was 1mb | Sep 05 00:53 |
schestowitz | largest one ever was about 1.5mb | Sep 05 00:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The browser was more about possible controll than money. Although, I suspect MS wanted to do more with it, but figured out the EU would not allow it. They wanted to use IE to impose media formats on the web, and advertising no doubt. | Sep 05 00:53 |
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ThistleWeb | unfortunatly for MS, they're being forced to compete on many levels, without a great base product | Sep 05 00:54 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, maybe I yacked too much? | Sep 05 00:54 |
ThistleWeb | all during a worldwide recession and at a time when one of their flagship products was rejected en masse | Sep 05 00:54 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | The best thing that can be said about the recession, is that it teaches some people how to better spend their money, a lession in life. Not to spend it on things that you really do not need, like M$ products. | Sep 05 00:56 |
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ThistleWeb | sadly, some see MS as essential | Sep 05 00:57 |
Xarver | ;( | Sep 05 00:57 |
ThistleWeb | they'll cut costs elsewhere without realising MS is surplus to requirements | Sep 05 00:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | true, but I bet the recession has caused less people to see it that way | Sep 05 00:57 |
Xarver | M$ became more corrupt when Ballmer became CEO :( | Sep 05 00:57 |
ThistleWeb | when I was a smoker and had little money, ciggies were practically the first thing on the "things you can't live without" list | Sep 05 00:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | fewer high end Windows PC's being sold, I rest my case | Sep 05 00:58 |
ThistleWeb | you somehow find the money for them, even if it's not good for you | Sep 05 00:58 |
ThistleWeb | yep, plenty of peeps are putting off buying new PCs | Sep 05 00:59 |
ThistleWeb | or buying cheaper ones | Sep 05 00:59 |
ThistleWeb | thing is, an entry level PC is more then enough for most users | Sep 05 01:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | <Xarver> M$ became more corrupt when Ballmer became CEO :( Maybe, but I maintain that Ballmer is the apprentise to the slith lord. They are so close in their thinking, that like the Model T Ford, the parts are interchangable. | Sep 05 01:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] if yer gonna tweet, write well. http://bit.ly/EubFY (by @RoyPeterClark) | Sep 05 01:00 | |
Xarver | Chips_B_Malroy: Bill wasn't as bad as Ballmer thank god. | Sep 05 01:00 |
ThistleWeb | wasn't as bald? | Sep 05 01:00 |
ThistleWeb | oh bad | Sep 05 01:01 |
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schestowitz | Just as bad | Sep 05 01:01 |
schestowitz | Xarver: they are both problematix | Sep 05 01:01 |
schestowitz | And billg is still at Microsoft | Sep 05 01:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer is the more entertaining of the two | Sep 05 01:02 |
ThistleWeb | Bill was in charge of a different era in MS's history | Sep 05 01:02 |
schestowitz | More like a lobbyist/financier now | Sep 05 01:02 |
Xarver | schestowitz: yes, but he's only chairman | Sep 05 01:02 |
schestowitz | He funds the patent troll for example | Sep 05 01:02 |
ThistleWeb | where they were in their prime, able to dodge more accusations | Sep 05 01:02 |
schestowitz | IV... with capital/investment of $5bn | Sep 05 01:02 |
schestowitz | So Billy keeps putting money in patent trolling and attacks on his rivals | Sep 05 01:02 |
ThistleWeb | Ballmer is having to deal with a lot of fallout | Sep 05 01:02 |
schestowitz | Very nasty man | Sep 05 01:02 |
ThistleWeb | not to mention his own fuckups | Sep 05 01:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Bill is also the largest shareholder | Sep 05 01:02 |
schestowitz | He bought the press | Sep 05 01:02 |
schestowitz | So they glorify his so that he can receive awards and tiaras | Sep 05 01:03 |
ThistleWeb | probably helps that Bill is known as a geek | Sep 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | He's not | Sep 05 01:03 |
MinceR | by whom? | Sep 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | He's a law student | Sep 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | He was a bad programmer | Sep 05 01:03 |
MinceR | he's just a failed lawyer | Sep 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | MinceR: queen of England | Sep 05 01:03 |
ThistleWeb | really? | Sep 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | Her corruptible advisors must have told her to knight billg | Sep 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | It's all bought | Sep 05 01:04 |
ThistleWeb | I always thought Bill was a geek who managed to make good (profit wise) | Sep 05 01:04 |
schestowitz | It got exposed in a scandal some years back | Sep 05 01:04 |
MinceR | she's just an expensive decoration anyway | Sep 05 01:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | exactly a failed lawyer from a family of lawyers that knew what he could get away with | Sep 05 01:04 |
ThistleWeb | Ballmer always struck me as a used car salesman | Sep 05 01:04 |
MinceR | a way the british people manage to throw some of their copious money out the window | Sep 05 01:04 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: poor bill | Sep 05 01:04 |
schestowitz | Grew up with silver spoon in his mouth | Sep 05 01:04 |
schestowitz | :-p | Sep 05 01:04 |
MinceR | celebrating a form of oppressive government while being fully aware that it's not what they want | Sep 05 01:05 |
MinceR | and not what they practice | Sep 05 01:05 |
schestowitz | His parents sort of used his for their ambitions too | Sep 05 01:05 |
schestowitz | Mom and dad did lots of the work to grook Billy | Sep 05 01:05 |
schestowitz | *groom | Sep 05 01:05 |
schestowitz | There's a good historical writing about it | Sep 05 01:05 |
schestowitz | Several in fact | Sep 05 01:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Really, I don't wish this on the people of India, but I hope MS moves there | Sep 05 01:05 |
schestowitz | But it's the same with Rothschilds and Rockefellers | Sep 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | They are just born in powerful families | Sep 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | So they can be handed over good positions | Sep 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | Look at George Bush | Sep 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | He almost failed his exams | Sep 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | Then his family made phonecalls to sort him out | Sep 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | Many people wanted to be in the national guard and got twice his score | Sep 05 01:07 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Bush is a very minor Robber Baron family. | Sep 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | But he and his family cheated | Sep 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | They sort of 'planted' young George inside 'the system' | Sep 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, compard to some | Sep 05 01:07 |
Chips_B_Malroy | sure, most of the politian families do here | Sep 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | Like Rothschild | Sep 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | But Bush famnily had enormous power | Sep 05 01:08 |
schestowitz | Not like US business, but still | Sep 05 01:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | most likely yes, Roy | Sep 05 01:08 |
schestowitz | Bush was at the public/forefront | Sep 05 01:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | His brother in Fl will most likely never get in | Sep 05 01:08 |
schestowitz | The Buish family made connections with other powerful families | Sep 05 01:08 |
schestowitz | Ones with lots more impact and wealth | Sep 05 01:08 |
ThistleWeb | does Bush have a relative called Shaved? | Sep 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | Some Saudi families, among others | Sep 05 01:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | But, he might actually be better than S Paulin | Sep 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: his wife, but she didn't like it | Sep 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | The name that is | Sep 05 01:09 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Sep 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | She said it was an itchy name | Sep 05 01:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Bama will be relected if he can do sometime for the uninsured | Sep 05 01:10 |
ThistleWeb | it grows on ya | Sep 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | Bama? | Sep 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | OBAMAA | Sep 05 01:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | lot of folks use that nick here, its a letter less to type | Sep 05 01:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or two | Sep 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | Orders at Behet of American Microsoft Auspices Association | Sep 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | *Behest | Sep 05 01:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | no disrespect meant | Sep 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | BAMA | Sep 05 01:12 |
schestowitz | Sounds like DADA | Sep 05 01:12 |
MinceR | reminds me of obama | Sep 05 01:12 |
MinceR | and OBABO | Sep 05 01:12 |
schestowitz | dada, mama, bama | Sep 05 01:12 |
MinceR | and UNITINU | Sep 05 01:12 |
schestowitz | McBush-McPalin | Sep 05 01:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, Bush was just called W | Sep 05 01:13 |
MinceR | (nsfw) http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Unitinu | Sep 05 01:13 |
schestowitz | Bush7? | Sep 05 01:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | W7 | Sep 05 01:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | So what exactly was Gates really doing at "Doomsday Seed Vault" in the Arctic (Spitsbergen) | Sep 05 01:16 |
schestowitz | http://jobs.itnews.com.au/it-services-jobs/other/784306 | Sep 05 01:16 |
schestowitz | Novell/Windows | Sep 05 01:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I do not believe in the seed project for one minute | Sep 05 01:17 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they say women in CHian crave for his sperm | Sep 05 01:17 |
schestowitz | Honest | Sep 05 01:17 |
schestowitz | That's how deluded they are | Sep 05 01:17 |
schestowitz | Imagine many ruthless people out there looking to start a "Jihad" | Sep 05 01:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they think he is a genius | Sep 05 01:17 |
schestowitz | He paid for this perception | Sep 05 01:18 |
schestowitz | It ain't free | Sep 05 01:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the press says he is a genius, therefore he is | Sep 05 01:18 |
schestowitz | Y'know, some people hire PR agents for such jobs | Sep 05 01:18 |
schestowitz | Like Chris Brown after he slapped Rihanna | Sep 05 01:18 |
schestowitz | They hire PR agents with objectives of perception management | Sep 05 01:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | no! say its not true. lol | Sep 05 01:18 |
schestowitz | BillG takes shoirtcuts | Sep 05 01:18 |
schestowitz | He owns a lot of press | Sep 05 01:19 |
schestowitz | http://www.cbronline.com/news/red_hat_releases_new_version_of_systems_management_tool_090902 Red Hat releases new version of systems management tool | Sep 05 01:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529 there is something funky about this, Bill is sometimes a flake, but the others that invest in this seed bank are not | Sep 05 01:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its not a seed bank is my idea. They put it where nobody will bother them. It looked like they went to the expense of mining it, instead of a cheap building. | Sep 05 01:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I know they are involved in experiments in food plants, altering them. Could this be the seeds they are producing | Sep 05 01:24 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Bill has his hands on some many things | Sep 05 01:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *so | Sep 05 01:26 |
schestowitz | It's not him | Sep 05 01:26 |
schestowitz | People wrongly attribute many things to individual people | Sep 05 01:26 |
schestowitz | Thinking that Obama 'runs' the country | Sep 05 01:27 |
schestowitz | Or that Ballmer 'runs' Microsoft | Sep 05 01:27 |
schestowitz | Or Oracle is 'run' by Ellison | Sep 05 01:27 |
schestowitz | They have heirs and assistants | Sep 05 01:27 |
schestowitz | Their role is mostly representitive | Sep 05 01:27 |
schestowitz | Linus hardly codes | Sep 05 01:27 |
schestowitz | He admits doing mostly communication | Sep 05 01:27 |
Ick! what bad taste -> balzac: I'd sooner drink a beer with Ballmer than you, Mincer. | Sep 05 01:27 | |
schestowitz | Gates just meets other rich people to lobby | Sep 05 01:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | to some extent, its true, more so with the corporations, at least in Bill's case | Sep 05 01:27 |
schestowitz | Ellison has two managers below him competing for his chaoirs | Sep 05 01:28 |
schestowitz | I don't know/can recall their names | Sep 05 01:28 |
schestowitz | But they report to him and do most of the work | Sep 05 01:28 |
schestowitz | So he does some work in board rooms and press (interviews, presentation preparation, etc) | Sep 05 01:28 |
schestowitz | Gates has his dad pulling strings, still | Sep 05 01:29 |
schestowitz | The Gates FOundary is run by Gates' older colleagues and family | Sep 05 01:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Gates has the advantage over most as largest shareholder, plus his friends and co-workers probably hold a lot of MS stock as well. | Sep 05 01:29 |
schestowitz | It's not about share | Sep 05 01:30 |
schestowitz | Or money | Sep 05 01:30 |
schestowitz | It's abut staying in power | Sep 05 01:30 |
schestowitz | Securing their status quo | Sep 05 01:30 |
schestowitz | And wanting to be remembered well | Sep 05 01:30 |
schestowitz | To them, the currency is another thing | Sep 05 01:30 |
schestowitz | It's a status thing | Sep 05 01:30 |
schestowitz | Like who gets the keynote at which meeting | Sep 05 01:30 |
M$ was very much run by Bill Gates. He looked at all sorts of details and made the decisions -> schestowitz: Or that Ballmer 'runs' Microsoft | Sep 05 01:30 | |
schestowitz | Davos meetings, Bilderberg, whatever.... | Sep 05 01:30 |
schestowitz | The likes of Nick N from MIT is among this club | Sep 05 01:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Roy says: :FOundary is run by Gates' older colleagues and family" this is how you paid your family a wage from a non=profit and escape inhertance taxes. A vehicle that the middle class cannot do | Sep 05 01:31 |
schestowitz | The world's 'parents', playing aristocrats | Sep 05 01:31 |
I have read two accounts of this. One from Joel on Software and another from the guy who started M$'s doomed search efforts. | Sep 05 01:31 | |
They were both horribly overworked and humiliated by his Gatesness. | Sep 05 01:31 | |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: the loopholes are many | Sep 05 01:31 |
schestowitz | Pet charities are popular | Sep 05 01:32 |
schestowitz | ALso for political influence | Sep 05 01:32 |
cubezzz | Gates would be a horrible boss | Sep 05 01:32 |
schestowitz | Funnelling of money, tax, etc. | Sep 05 01:32 |
schestowitz | Warren B joined the Gates cartel rather than create his own | Sep 05 01:32 |
Yes, very insulting, particular and rude. | Sep 05 01:32 | |
schestowitz | And people like Richard Berman (scam lobbyist) mastered the art of pseudo-charities | Sep 05 01:32 |
schestowitz | Those that advance agenda and are seen as humanitarian | Sep 05 01:32 |
Both of the victims talked about something called, "the killer question" which Gates would pull from the air. | Sep 05 01:33 | |
schestowitz | I have refs | Sep 05 01:33 |
schestowitz | Wait.. | Sep 05 01:33 |
MinceR | oh noes, someone used the word "kill"! | Sep 05 01:33 |
MinceR | ;) | Sep 05 01:33 |
schestowitz | here: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/11/novell-vanity-2/ | Sep 05 01:33 |
*_Hicham_ (n=chatzill@41.249.37.150) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 05 01:34 | |
schestowitz | What Microsoft folks say about Bill and Steve ^ | Sep 05 01:34 |
schestowitz | MinceR: kill -9 | Sep 05 01:34 |
We've all read the emails where Gates himself stepped up and said things like - no compatiblity for other programs - Make ACPI Windows only. | Sep 05 01:34 | |
_Hicham_ | Steve an Bill are good people | Sep 05 01:34 |
M$ uses violent language all the time. | Sep 05 01:34 | |
MinceR | not only the language is violent | Sep 05 01:35 |
"Killer program" "Knife the baby" "cut off their oxygen" | Sep 05 01:35 | |
schestowitz | cat ps aux | sudo killall -9 - | Sep 05 01:35 |
schestowitz | Not sure about syntax | Sep 05 01:35 |
MinceR | halt | Sep 05 01:35 |
We've also seen what they think of women, "one night stands" | Sep 05 01:35 | |
schestowitz | Goodnight computer | Sep 05 01:35 |
cubezzz | who said "knife the baby"? | Sep 05 01:35 |
pawns. | Sep 05 01:35 | |
schestowitz | Maritz IIC | Sep 05 01:36 |
schestowitz | No, Kempin | Sep 05 01:36 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : we never talk of violence in here | Sep 05 01:36 |
schestowitz | Maritz said cut the air supply | Sep 05 01:36 |
MinceR | lol | Sep 05 01:36 |
"knife the baby" came from an email published in the Netscape anti-trust trial. | Sep 05 01:36 | |
schestowitz | They have a nice way to them | Sep 05 01:36 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: we never do? | Sep 05 01:36 |
schestowitz | Wearing suits and planning commerical murders | Sep 05 01:36 |
schestowitz | Like dodgy armuies where general sit in offices with A/C choosing their illegal weapons to use | Sep 05 01:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Gates on religion: http://www.sikhspectrum.com/102002/ron.htm I am not really interested in Bill's religion or lack of it, just his moral thinking. | Sep 05 01:37 |
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=microsoft+"knife+the+baby"&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Sep 05 01:37 | |
schestowitz | Atom bomb for Hiroshima, Napalm for Vietnam, cluster bombs for Palestinians, etc | Sep 05 01:37 |
schestowitz | Coming from the top | Sep 05 01:37 |
schestowitz | Always blame going to 'someone' | Sep 05 01:37 |
schestowitz | Same in the commercial workl | Sep 05 01:38 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC is the most violent person in here | Sep 05 01:38 |
schestowitz | Like when Jobs got caught with the backdating scandal | Sep 05 01:38 |
schestowitz | They'll find something to throw in to save the king | Sep 05 01:38 |
MinceR | (psst, never let _Hicham_ hear you've killed processes!) | Sep 05 01:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | sometimes its correct to blame those at the top, other times its not | Sep 05 01:38 |
schestowitz | deamon need a shrink | Sep 05 01:38 |
schestowitz | Instead he got a parole officer | Sep 05 01:38 |
MinceR | no, he needs a permban | Sep 05 01:38 |
cubezzz | "Referring to Apple's QuickTime software, Avadis Trevanian says Microsoft told Apple to "knife the baby" if it wanted to survive in the multimedia software market." | Sep 05 01:38 |
cubezzz | maybe it was used more than once | Sep 05 01:39 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: it's no single incident | Sep 05 01:39 |
schestowitz | These are memes | Sep 05 01:39 |
schestowitz | Like "death spiral" | Sep 05 01:39 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC needs a FOSS shrink | Sep 05 01:39 |
schestowitz | They say it many times | Sep 05 01:39 |
schestowitz | Like "Jihad" | Sep 05 01:39 |
right, they think violent things | Sep 05 01:39 | |
schestowitz | Or "evangelisation" | Sep 05 01:39 |
cubezzz | right, it's worst than I even thought | Sep 05 01:39 |
they seek to destroy. | Sep 05 01:39 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | Sometimes Daemon has some good to offer, other time he just goes off | Sep 05 01:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+knife+the+baby&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | Sep 05 01:40 |
http://www.businessweek.com/microsoft/updates/up81105b.htm | Sep 05 01:40 | |
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/insideitunes3.html | Sep 05 01:40 | |
schestowitz | Many separate incidents | Sep 05 01:40 |
_Hicham_ | Jihad is another thing | Sep 05 01:40 |
_Hicham_ | and has many significations | Sep 05 01:41 |
The quicktime thing goes back to their intentions to dominate media | Sep 05 01:41 | |
schestowitz | "knife the baby"... "Yes We're Talking About Knifing the Baby” etc. | Sep 05 01:41 |
schestowitz | Would you give a baby to Brad Silverberg? *shudder* | Sep 05 01:41 |
They want other companies to destroy their programs so that M$ can dominate. | Sep 05 01:41 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | its not about destroying. Look, I don't like how MS has done things. A lot of what Bush did was wrong. But I don't hate these people, or want anyone to harm them. | Sep 05 01:41 |
schestowitz | Imagine him coming home at Bellevue telling his wife that he "knifed some 'babies' today" | Sep 05 01:42 |
M$ is all about destroying competition rather than improving their own stuff. | Sep 05 01:42 | |
They can't compete fairly. | Sep 05 01:42 | |
Could be. | Sep 05 01:42 | |
schestowitz | They can't improve their products, twitter | Sep 05 01:43 |
schestowitz | They buy softare | Sep 05 01:43 |
schestowitz | They don't develop much | Sep 05 01:43 |
The former manager of Fanny Mae got a big spread in the Wall Street Journal's home front today. | Sep 05 01:43 | |
schestowitz | And the teams that they buy just flee | Sep 05 01:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Its easier to put a hole in someone esle's work than to improve their own | Sep 05 01:43 |
schestowitz | Like Banshee and FASA | Sep 05 01:43 |
Big multimillion dollar house, complete with Playboy trophy wife and expensive horses for her to ride. | Sep 05 01:43 | |
schestowitz | Then they have some hb-1s trying to work out the code MS bought | Sep 05 01:43 |
schestowitz | What comes out/ | Sep 05 01:43 |
schestowitz | Vista | Sep 05 01:43 |
schestowitz | Made in Bangalore BTW | Sep 05 01:43 |
The trophy wife might get along well with some kind of hyper competitive jerk who talks about knifing babies. | Sep 05 01:44 | |
Vista was made in hell. | Sep 05 01:44 | |
schestowitz | Stop insulting trophies | Sep 05 01:45 |
The trophy wife is usually happy to see the first wife put to pasture. | Sep 05 01:45 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | So why can't MS fix Windows malware problems? | Sep 05 01:45 |
cubezzz | hyper competitive seems very apt | Sep 05 01:45 |
schestowitz | Trophies don't have plastic compounds inserted onto them | Sep 05 01:45 |
puerile | Sep 05 01:45 | |
schestowitz | They are real mtal | Sep 05 01:45 |
people at M$ are puerile and dangerous | Sep 05 01:46 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | legacy? I really don't believe that stops them that much | Sep 05 01:46 |
*ThistleWeb has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Sep 05 01:46 | |
M$ does not have the manpower to fix Windows. | Sep 05 01:46 | |
no one company can | Sep 05 01:46 | |
schestowitz | Theyc an | Sep 05 01:46 |
schestowitz | Fix perception | Sep 05 01:46 |
schestowitz | Send shills | Sep 05 01:46 |
schestowitz | Dima-a-dozen | Sep 05 01:46 |
schestowitz | Give em a free copy of Vista 7 (which costs none to make anyway) and see them organising events | Sep 05 01:46 |
perception management cost them about a billion dollars per month | Sep 05 01:47 | |
schestowitz | Like the latest house party scam | Sep 05 01:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Sorry, for not responding for so long. Indeed find them useful. The [News] posts are what "hooked" me to COLA. | Sep 05 01:47 | |
but even that could not fix windows. | Sep 05 01:47 | |
schestowitz | <twitter> perception management cost them about a billion dollars per month | Sep 05 01:47 |
schestowitz | Wha? | Sep 05 01:47 |
That's about the size or their marketing budget. | Sep 05 01:47 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | <twitter> M$ does not have the manpower to fix Windows." What did they claim, 6000 workers on Vista for 7 years was it | Sep 05 01:47 |
schestowitz | One person said they spend $bn/annum on marketing | Sep 05 01:47 |
schestowitz | Microsoft claims just over a buillion | Sep 05 01:47 |
schestowitz | Apple is about half a billiob/annum | Sep 05 01:47 |
it's hard to dig it out of their reports but that's about the order of their spending. | Sep 05 01:47 | |
schestowitz | Linux just hundreds/tens of milions (mostly on servers) | Sep 05 01:48 |
they combine "marketing" and "research" | Sep 05 01:48 | |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: utter nonsense | Sep 05 01:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | sounds like enough manpower to me, until you add in all the DRM stuff, that changed all the video and audio subsystems in Vista | Sep 05 01:48 |
schestowitz | They said $6bn in spendings AFAIK | Sep 05 01:48 |
schestowitz | Windows programmers are about 200 | Sep 05 01:48 |
schestowitz | COre team | Sep 05 01:48 |
schestowitz | Other are mainteainers | Sep 05 01:48 |
given the productivity of their research program, I'd say most of the money goes to shills, adverts and other infrastructure to sell windows | Sep 05 01:49 | |
schestowitz | Office team is much larger | Sep 05 01:49 |
schestowitz | About 1000 people | Sep 05 01:49 |
schestowitz | Probably also non-programmer | Sep 05 01:49 |
schestowitz | Probably also non-programmers | Sep 05 01:49 |
schestowitz | Not sure about marketers | Sep 05 01:49 |
schestowitz | WIndows is a hobby project that relies on inertia and lies | Sep 05 01:49 |
schestowitz | And slogging of Microsoft's rivals | Sep 05 01:49 |
MinceR | 025052 < Chips_B_Malroy> its not about destroying. Look, I don't like how MS has done things. A lot of what Bush did was wrong. But I don't hate these people, or want | Sep 05 01:49 |
It did take them six years. | Sep 05 01:49 | |
MinceR | anyone to harm them. | Sep 05 01:49 |
MinceR | but what do you want to happen to them, then? | Sep 05 01:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | @schestowitz> They said $6bn in spendings AFAIK" Yes, I believe they lied about that too, in order to dodge taxes | Sep 05 01:49 |
schestowitz | How else would it outsell OS X and GNU? | Sep 05 01:49 |
schestowitz | Then MS relies on 3rd parties | Sep 05 01:49 |
schestowitz | I.e. useful idiots | Sep 05 01:49 |
I should bring gnu/linux to the Tacoma house party. | Sep 05 01:50 | |
schestowitz | Vista 7 shows theyt ar eundrstaffed | Sep 05 01:50 |
schestowitz | They didn't develop what they said they would | Sep 05 01:50 |
schestowitz | They redid some GUI stuff | Sep 05 01:50 |
schestowitz | But it's still Vista | Sep 05 01:50 |
M$ routinely crashes other people's party, I might like some free beer. | Sep 05 01:51 | |
schestowitz | Most stuff is just rushing to fix the many flaws in win2000, xp, and Vista | Sep 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | They need to maintain this mess | Sep 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | Also WinMob [sic] | Sep 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | All those ugly hacks+testing | Sep 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | Linux doesn't have this problem | Sep 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | Free upgrades | Sep 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | One kernel only | Sep 05 01:51 |
schestowitz | Mainline+branches | Sep 05 01:51 |
You can see just how unchanging their code is by looking at what gets p0wned by each new malware. It's almost always every version listed. | Sep 05 01:52 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | it will all be fixed in (Windows 8) if you just have the patence (and money) to wait | Sep 05 01:52 |
schestowitz | twitter: they organise the crushing | Sep 05 01:52 |
schestowitz | See for details the OGara memos | Sep 05 01:52 |
MinceR | a new skin won't fix anything | Sep 05 01:52 |
schestowitz | They derailed OSDL announcement | Sep 05 01:52 |
sure, but we might organize some crashing! | Sep 05 01:52 | |
schestowitz | PS3 launch parties | Sep 05 01:52 |
schestowitz | Also anti-vmware last year | Sep 05 01:52 |
Free M$ beer for everyone! | Sep 05 01:52 | |
schestowitz | THat's Susie | Sep 05 01:53 |
schestowitz | *Aussie | Sep 05 01:53 |
*lis` has quit ("baibai<3") | Sep 05 01:53 | |
MinceR | and free paper bags to accompany the m$ beer? | Sep 05 01:53 |
schestowitz | 2007/6 | Sep 05 01:53 |
schestowitz | PS3 launch... Microsoft gives beer | Sep 05 01:53 |
Why don't the FSF people give them a taste of their own medicine and share the software at the same time? | Sep 05 01:53 | |
schestowitz | Worse in Paris/London.. ship incident... crying kids | Sep 05 01:53 |
schestowitz | SMS spam from Microsoft to people's phones... | Sep 05 01:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | we should all organize Windows Seven parties, and hand out GNU/Linux disks | Sep 05 01:54 |
schestowitz | I'll always remember | Sep 05 01:54 |
I did not read about the crying kids. | Sep 05 01:54 | |
No, just bring the disks and your TShirts to the M$ parties. Ha ha. | Sep 05 01:54 | |
This is what M$ does. They let other people go to a lot of effort and expense then crash it. | Sep 05 01:55 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | I like your idea Twitter | Sep 05 01:55 |
Share the love. | Sep 05 01:55 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | they has to be a way to exploit these parties | Sep 05 01:56 |
schestowitz | Amazon withdraws Man U chants CD < http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/front_page/newsid_10000000/newsid_10001400/10001422.stm > | Sep 05 01:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | not so much to crash them, but maybe to get a lug to sign up for ms money? No, thats crazy | Sep 05 01:57 |
just go to the party | Sep 05 01:59 | |
schestowitz | Bring demo laptops | Sep 05 01:59 |
schestowitz | with kde4 and kwin | Sep 05 01:59 |
tessier | hmm... | Sep 05 01:59 |
schestowitz | tessier: what's up? | Sep 05 01:59 |
yes, bring your laptop and CDs | Sep 05 01:59 | |
share! | Sep 05 01:59 | |
schestowitz | tessier: I notice the site doesn't serve me pages | Sep 05 01:59 |
tessier | You doing anything with bn? Website seems to not be responding... | Sep 05 01:59 |
cubezzz | netscape navigator is completely dead now? | Sep 05 01:59 |
tessier | yeah. I'll take a look... | Sep 05 01:59 |
the problem is finding out where the things are. | Sep 05 01:59 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS will give you a free Seven dvd disk to host the party, must cost them about ten cents to press one, and another 35 cents to package it. | Sep 05 02:00 |
schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=4149 | Sep 05 02:00 |
schestowitz | "People, this cannot go unanswered. We need Linux house parties in late October as well. I’ll leave it up to all you grass roots, hard coding, great partying people to organize yourselves, but what better time to introduce your friends and relatives to Linux on the desktop? Make and give away CDs of the distros, do some installations for people that want them, and demonstrate FireFox and common applications. Have them walk away w | Sep 05 02:00 |
schestowitz | ith memories of a great party and cool people, plus a shiny and free new operating system." | Sep 05 02:00 |
schestowitz | That's IBM's Linux VP | Sep 05 02:00 |
schestowitz | he links to Microsoft Nick | Sep 05 02:00 |
There needs to be a central clearing house of party locations so that free software advocates know where to go get a free beer. | Sep 05 02:00 | |
schestowitz | "I just read Nicholas Kolakowski’s piece “Microsoft Wants You to Party Like It’s XP” over in eWeek. He says, in part:.." | Sep 05 02:00 |
schestowitz | But Linux can't offer bribes | Sep 05 02:01 |
schestowitz | Microsoft does | Sep 05 02:01 |
tessier | [Tue Sep 01 10:31:41 2009] [error] server reached MaxClients setting, consider raising the MaxClients setting | Sep 05 02:01 |
XP did not have a good launch, just ask Bill Gates. | Sep 05 02:01 | |
I can't tell if this is a joke or not. http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2009/09/omg_that_windows_7_launch_part.php | Sep 05 02:01 | |
schestowitz | "3 users" | Sep 05 02:02 |
LOL, always scarcity with these jokers. It shows how thin their lines really are -> Host spaces are very limited so apply now. | Sep 05 02:02 | |
schestowitz | "Tasks: 111 total, 2 running, 109 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie" | Sep 05 02:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Tobacco Companies Sue for the Right to Tell the "Truth"" http://ping.fm/gnCAc | Sep 05 02:04 | |
schestowitz | tessier seems to have fixed it | Sep 05 02:04 |
schestowitz | Bravo, tessier | Sep 05 02:04 |
cubezzz | Seattle Weekly? It might not be joking :) | Sep 05 02:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I think Nicholas Kolakowski is going have an uphill battle getting readers | Sep 05 02:04 |
tessier | I just upped the limit. | Sep 05 02:05 |
schestowitz | They even posted a politically-correct photo | Sep 05 02:05 |
schestowitz | If they make the same party parade in Poland they might need to GIMP a couple of heads | Sep 05 02:05 |
schestowitz | tessier: thanks! | Sep 05 02:05 |
chop | Sep 05 02:06 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | If my posts are now being censured at MS Watch, that will be the first place I was ever banned | Sep 05 02:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/04/bitly-shortens-url-shorteners | Sep 05 02:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | not that I wasn't very hard on Joe Wilcox at times | Sep 05 02:08 |
schestowitz | tessier: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/04/vietnam-clamps-down-on-bloggers-and-online-journalists | Sep 05 02:09 |
schestowitz | http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Technology/Stephen-Fry-Urges-Apology-To-Castrated-Code-Breaker-Alan-Turing/Article/200909115374408?lpos=Technology_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15374408_Stephen_Fry_Urges_Apology_To_Castrated_Code_Breaker_Alan_Turing | Sep 05 02:11 |
schestowitz | Sky has terrible URLs | Sep 05 02:11 |
*cubezzz-laptop has quit ("Leaving") | Sep 05 02:11 | |
*neighborlee_ is now known as neighborlee | Sep 05 02:17 | |
schestowitz | tessier: there is still a problem with WordPress | Sep 05 02:20 |
schestowitz | Seems like it's not reaching the database | Sep 05 02:20 |
tessier | indeed | Sep 05 02:21 |
schestowitz | Mediawiki also can't reacht he db | Sep 05 02:22 |
schestowitz | So at least I hope this indicates where the problem lies :-) | Sep 05 02:22 |
tessier | Swapping like mad and about to run out of memory. I need to dial the connections back down I think. | Sep 05 02:22 |
tessier | Someone might be DoS'ing again as it normally does not need nearly this many connections. I'll check it out. | Sep 05 02:23 |
tessier | Or maybe the site is just getting more popular. | Sep 05 02:23 |
schestowitz | There was no provocation | Sep 05 02:24 |
tessier | Hopefully the latter then. | Sep 05 02:24 |
schestowitz | So an attack would be not so predictable | Sep 05 02:24 |
schestowitz | Maybe it hit some main page somwhere | Sep 05 02:24 |
schestowitz | I'll tail the log | Sep 05 02:25 |
schestowitz | 96.251.11.102 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:29 -0700] "GET /category/apple/ HTTP/1.1" 200 165011 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; 008/0.83; http://www.80legs.com/spider.html;) Gecko/2008032620" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | 67.195.115.162 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:36 -0700] "GET /nicetitles/nicetitle.css HTTP/1.0" 304 - "http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/26/boots-faster-than-vista-7/" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp/3.0; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp)" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | 201.217.21.14 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:35 -0700] "GET /wp-content/uploads/2008/02/suse-logo-blue.png HTTP/1.1" 200 54270 "http://theblackangel.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/encantado-con-opensuse-11/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; es-ES; rv:1.9.1.2) Gecko/20090729 Firefox/3.5.2 GTB5" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | 65.87.151.125 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:37 -0700] "GET /category/identity-management/ HTTP/1.1" 200 113791 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; 008/0.83; http://www.80legs.com/spider.html;) Gecko/2008032620" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | 72.30.142.168 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:37 -0700] "GET /2009/07/24/microsoft-gpl-compliance/ HTTP/1.0" 200 117486 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp/3.0; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp)" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | 71.229.48.9 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:40 -0700] "GET /2009/08/31/antitrust-barriers-msft-online/ HTTP/1.1" 200 125340 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; 008/0.83; http://www.80legs.com/spider.html;) Gecko/2008032620" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | 72.30.142.168 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:40 -0700] "GET /2009/06/07/ HTTP/1.0" 200 130045 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp/3.0; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp)" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | 99.232.42.44 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:45 -0700] "GET /wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=atom HTTP/1.1" 304 - "-" "Apple-PubSub/65.11" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | 213.251.181.89 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:44 -0700] "GET /category/sun/ HTTP/1.0" 200 162666 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Twiceler-0.9 http://www.cuil.com/twiceler/robot.html)" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | 71.37.51.51 - - [04/Sep/2009:18:34:47 -0700] "GET /category/vista-7/ HTTP/1.1" 200 156207 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; 008/0.83; http://www.80legs.com/spider.html;) Gecko/2008032620" | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | Heavy crawling | Sep 05 02:26 |
tessier | er... | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | What is 80logs.com... | Sep 05 02:26 |
tessier | Yeah. | Sep 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | And cuil is there too | Sep 05 02:27 |
schestowitz | The 'Google killa' | Sep 05 02:27 |
tessier | Ah...I know 80legs.com | Sep 05 02:27 |
tessier | They are a rental spider | Sep 05 02:27 |
tessier | You pay them and they will spider the web. You can upload your own code for processing the results etc. | Sep 05 02:27 |
*twitter1 (n=willhill@97-113-230-249.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 05 02:28 | |
tessier | A little log analysis shows nothing unusual. Your IP has the most hits. | Sep 05 02:30 |
schestowitz | SO a bit like cloud/app engines | Sep 05 02:30 |
tessier | Exactly | Sep 05 02:30 |
tessier | A cloudspider sort of thing | Sep 05 02:30 |
schestowitz | Sorry for the trouble.. | Sep 05 02:30 |
tessier | No trouble at all | Sep 05 02:30 |
schestowitz | It's funny how they try to slow growth | Sep 05 02:30 |
schestowitz | Smear campaigns now | Sep 05 02:31 |
schestowitz | New type: | Sep 05 02:31 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/false-associations/ | Sep 05 02:31 |
schestowitz | pj is an ibm bot | Sep 05 02:31 |
_Hicham_ | Mandriva 2010 beta is out | Sep 05 02:33 |
_Hicham_ | is seems to be an interesting release | Sep 05 02:33 |
twitter1 | pj is a twitter sock puppet. | Sep 05 02:35 |
twitter1 | I'm a twitter sock puppet. | Sep 05 02:35 |
_Hicham_ | twitter1 : still drunk ? | Sep 05 02:35 |
twitter1 | All in the family fraud at the SEC http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=amhY1JeRdF.g | Sep 05 02:36 |
twitter1 | in 2005 another SEC watchdog was given an anonymous tip about Madoff. They did not act and just happened to have $2 million in family money invested with Madoff. | Sep 05 02:37 |
twitter1 | The question then is, did the watchdog take their money out? | Sep 05 02:37 |
schestowitz | I'm PJ... and so is my wife... [monty python] | Sep 05 02:38 |
twitter1 | If they did, it's insider trading. If they had acted on the tip all of the money would have been lost. Tough call. | Sep 05 02:38 |
twitter1 | We are all PBJ. | Sep 05 02:38 |
twitter1 | http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/puttingo.htm | Sep 05 02:42 |
schestowitz | gn | Sep 05 02:53 |
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_Hicham_ | gn schestowitz | Sep 05 02:55 |
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twitter1 | memory hole is also a spy | Sep 05 03:08 |
twitter1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGHxR7pH_c | Sep 05 03:08 |
twitter1 | Amazon offers to "replace" deleted copies of 1984. | Sep 05 03:08 |
twitter1 | Redacted. | Sep 05 03:08 |
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rick_james | boycott GNU, FSF, and GPL jihadists | Sep 05 03:12 |
twitter1 | boycott freedom? fun. | Sep 05 03:13 |
twitter1 | pay no attention to the muckrakers http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-arctic5-2009sep05,0,3388515.story | Sep 05 03:13 |
twitter1 | artic sediment study shows that ice melt increase coincides with start of industrial age. | Sep 05 03:14 |
twitter1 | how much more evidence do you need to prove global warming is man made? | Sep 05 03:14 |
twitter1 | M$ trying to kill XP again. http://www.pcworld.com/article/171467/windows_xp_finally_on_its_way_out.html | Sep 05 03:16 |
twitter1 | Preston Gralla link warning! | Sep 05 03:16 |
twitter1 | Vista use up by 0.9%, says M$ mouthpiece. But then again, he thinks Vista has 19% of the market. Fat chance it's over 10%. | Sep 05 03:18 |
rick_james | GPL is not freedom | Sep 05 03:19 |
twitter1 | ha ha -> I think that Windows 7 will go a long way towards solving the problem for Microsoft. It's gotten a far batter [sic] reception than Windows Vista did" | Sep 05 03:19 |
rick_james | BSD is freedom | Sep 05 03:19 |
rick_james | GPL jihadists hate freedom | Sep 05 03:19 |
twitter1 | you seem to like slavery. | Sep 05 03:19 |
rick_james | Stallman minions love to be enslaved | Sep 05 03:19 |
twitter1 | which of the four software freedoms do you associate with slavery? | Sep 05 03:20 |
rick_james | in any case, only someone semi-retarded actually thinks that source code is freedom | Sep 05 03:20 |
rick_james | but RMS counts on the weak-minded to be his followers | Sep 05 03:20 |
twitter1 | weakness is not being able to answer questions, rick. | Sep 05 03:20 |
rick_james | twitter: what is freerer, BSD or GPL or Public Domain? | Sep 05 03:21 |
twitter1 | which of the four software freedoms do you associate with slavery? | Sep 05 03:21 |
rick_james | twitter: what is freerer, BSD or GPL or Public Domain? | Sep 05 03:22 |
rick_james | answer my question, then i'll answer yours | Sep 05 03:22 |
twitter1 | I asked first and am not very interested in people who ignore me. | Sep 05 03:22 |
rick_james | i'm not very interested in people that ignore me either | Sep 05 03:23 |
rick_james | but i assume you're not ready or informed enough to answer to my question | Sep 05 03:23 |
twitter1 | ***twitter ignores rick_james | Sep 05 03:23 |
rick_james | twitter1 is part of the weak-minded, easily-indoctrinated by RMS | Sep 05 03:23 |
twitter1 | I really don't have time for abuse like that. | Sep 05 03:23 |
rick_james | i thought you ignored me | Sep 05 03:24 |
rick_james | ? | Sep 05 03:24 |
rick_james | you're a liar | Sep 05 03:24 |
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twitter1 | 31 seconds to clean out the Apple store. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171472/thieves_clear_new_jersey_apple_store_in_seconds.html | Sep 05 03:28 |
twitter1 | That's a lot of trouble for something that might get them $30,000 or so. | Sep 05 03:28 |
rick_james | that roy guy that does boycottnovell is a major league asshole, but mono is a lost cause | Sep 05 03:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | rick james> are you from Linsux? | Sep 05 03:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | who has the comm? | Sep 05 03:37 |
rick_james | i run many linux machines everyday | Sep 05 03:37 |
rick_james | i just don't do linux on the desktop | Sep 05 03:37 |
rick_james | and i hate RMS | Sep 05 03:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | a hater u r | Sep 05 03:38 |
rick_james | i usually have 4 or 5 puttycm tabs open to my debian servers | Sep 05 03:38 |
rick_james | yes, i hate RMS...the charlatan | Sep 05 03:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy | even I do hate Bill Gates | Sep 05 03:38 |
rick_james | we're even | Sep 05 03:38 |
rick_james | i love stock debian fresh install | Sep 05 03:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | do not that is | Sep 05 03:39 |
rick_james | 117 meg with apache, mysql....so clean and lean | Sep 05 03:39 |
rick_james | or at least that's what top tells me | Sep 05 03:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I thought you were a BSD guy a few minutes ago? I am confused | Sep 05 03:39 |
rick_james | yeah, you people are usually confused ;) | Sep 05 03:40 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and I confuse more easily than most, perhaps you could explain the BSD or Debian thing | Sep 05 03:40 |
rick_james | no, i won't explain it to you | Sep 05 03:41 |
rick_james | it's a license issue, not a Debian xxxBSD issue | Sep 05 03:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | lol | Sep 05 03:41 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or maybe an issue of trust? | Sep 05 03:42 |
rick_james | RMS is evil | Sep 05 03:43 |
rick_james | we all know that | Sep 05 03:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | no, only you are misguided | Sep 05 03:43 |
rick_james | he doesn't believe a word he says when he spouts out "freedom" in every other word of a setence | Sep 05 03:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or worse | Sep 05 03:43 |
rick_james | hopefully RMS will die soon | Sep 05 03:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you any very close relation to the Lumpy guy? | Sep 05 03:43 |
rick_james | it's unethical for him to lie to so many people | Sep 05 03:43 |
_Hicham_ | explain how RMS is evil | Sep 05 03:44 |
_Hicham_ | then all those people are dumb? | Sep 05 03:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | shill alert | Sep 05 03:44 |
_Hicham_ | are u are the only smart boy in the world | Sep 05 03:44 |
_Hicham_ | haha | Sep 05 03:44 |
rick_james | _Hicham_: no, but you RMS minions are some of the stupidest | Sep 05 03:44 |
_Hicham_ | shill signs | Sep 05 03:44 |
_Hicham_ | thanks for telling us that | Sep 05 03:45 |
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_Hicham_ | could u enlighten us plz ? | Sep 05 03:45 |
_Hicham_ | we may be stupid and need someone to make things clear to us | Sep 05 03:45 |
rick_james | _Hicham_: nahh...why don't you minions blather on about GNU manifestos and freedom and such, so i can have a good chuckle | Sep 05 03:45 |
_Hicham_ | you are completely insane | Sep 05 03:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | stick around and we will | Sep 05 03:46 |
_Hicham_ | I thought I was talking to normal person | Sep 05 03:46 |
rick_james | _Hicham_: yes, that would be the rest of the world (sans the K that are weak-minded enough to believe RMS's bullshit) | Sep 05 03:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | @Hicham> who has control of the boot? | Sep 05 03:47 |
rick_james | muwhahaha | Sep 05 03:47 |
rick_james | ahh..gonna be that way | Sep 05 03:47 |
_Hicham_ | Chips_B_Malroy : schestowitz | Sep 05 03:47 |
rick_james | let's say something for the logs | Sep 05 03:47 |
rick_james | RMS is a charlatan asshole that lies to everybody | Sep 05 03:48 |
_Hicham_ | rick_james : say | Sep 05 03:48 |
_Hicham_ | and feel at ease | Sep 05 03:48 |
rick_james | he's a leftist asshole who hopefully will die soon | Sep 05 03:48 |
_Hicham_ | that is the freedom that he is talking about | Sep 05 03:48 |
rick_james | all of you assholes are leftists too | Sep 05 03:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | bad language, is against the rules | Sep 05 03:48 |
_Hicham_ | you can say anything | Sep 05 03:48 |
rick_james | fuck you Chips_B_Malroy | Sep 05 03:48 |
rick_james | RMS can fuck off too and hopefully die soon | Sep 05 03:48 |
_Hicham_ | I think that u are drunk | Sep 05 03:48 |
rick_james | bahh, i've hated RMS since the late 80s | Sep 05 03:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | sorry, u not my type, I like females | Sep 05 03:49 |
rick_james | Chips_B_Malroy: no your faggot-ass would suck-off dear leader RMS | Sep 05 03:49 |
rick_james | you're a weak-minded fool | Sep 05 03:49 |
rick_james | just like all of the gpl-jihadists | Sep 05 03:49 |
rick_james | Linus, and everybody else hates you people | Sep 05 03:50 |
rick_james | RMS is hated, and so are all of you | Sep 05 03:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so what exactly is your problem with RMS, Lefty | Sep 05 03:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | an inferiority complex? | Sep 05 03:50 |
_Hicham_ | how much do MS give you ? | Sep 05 03:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I beat he is on the Mac | Sep 05 03:51 |
_Hicham_ | he is on drugs | Sep 05 03:51 |
rick_james | ahh, yes, MS "pays me" | Sep 05 03:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *bet | Sep 05 03:51 |
rick_james | actually i'm on XP and......debian | Sep 05 03:52 |
rick_james | oh my god...i'm on TWO, count 'em TWO os's | Sep 05 03:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but at the same time, and first it was BSD | Sep 05 03:52 |
rick_james | Chips_B_Malroy: learn to read McFly | Sep 05 03:52 |
_Hicham_ | he is completely pathetic | Sep 05 03:52 |
rick_james | usually i'm on many, many operating systems | Sep 05 03:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I think Hicham is right, u on something powerful | Sep 05 03:52 |
rick_james | but it's a "desktop" thing for you jihadists | Sep 05 03:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but its not an OS | Sep 05 03:53 |
rick_james | ? | Sep 05 03:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you feel better tomorrow after a good night sleep | Sep 05 03:53 |
rick_james | i feel good now, you'll still be a drone tomorrow | Sep 05 03:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | then maybe you can debate | Sep 05 03:54 |
_Hicham_ | I bet he just had an emotional shock | Sep 05 03:54 |
rick_james | later | Sep 05 03:54 |
rick_james | need to go out | Sep 05 03:54 |
_Hicham_ | type break up with his GF | Sep 05 03:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | naw, he needs another beer | Sep 05 03:55 |
_Hicham_ | poor boy | Sep 05 03:55 |
_Hicham_ | must have had a hard day | Sep 05 03:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and a whiz to get rid of the 12 pack | Sep 05 03:55 |
tessier | rick_james: You're Rick James, bitch! | Sep 05 03:56 |
_Hicham_ | tessier : who is that ? | Sep 05 03:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | u know this one tessier? | Sep 05 03:56 |
_Hicham_ | tessier : do u know him ? | Sep 05 03:56 |
tessier | No, I don't know him. But the "I'm Rick James, bitch!" is a funny skit from Chappelle Show | Sep 05 03:57 |
rick_james | damn bitch | Sep 05 03:57 |
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rick_james | tessier is one of the "darkness brothers" | Sep 05 03:57 |
tessier | rick_james: Cocaine's a hell of a drug. | Sep 05 03:57 |
rick_james | tessier: "a helluva drug" | Sep 05 03:57 |
tessier | Indeed | Sep 05 03:57 |
tessier | rick_james: Did you put your shoes up on Charlie Murphy's couch? | Sep 05 03:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I missed that show, among others | Sep 05 03:58 |
rick_james | "Charlie Murphy!....Charlie Murphy!" | Sep 05 03:59 |
_Hicham_ | ah, here is DaemonFC | Sep 05 03:59 |
DaemonFC | mmmhm | Sep 05 03:59 |
DaemonFC | rebuilding Linux Mint around me | Sep 05 03:59 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 05 03:59 |
rick_james | "don't break my legs darkness brothers" | Sep 05 03:59 |
_Hicham_ | rick_james : DaemonFC will kick your ass | Sep 05 03:59 |
rick_james | _Hicham_: I'll kick Axel's ass | Sep 05 03:59 |
rick_james | and I'll kick Charlie Murphy's ass | Sep 05 04:00 |
_Hicham_ | you don't know DaemonFC ? | Sep 05 04:00 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 05 04:00 |
rick_james | _Hicham_: no retard, and you don't know who Dave Chapelle is | Sep 05 04:00 |
DaemonFC | DaemonFC is loved by all | Sep 05 04:00 |
rick_james | fine, kick me | Sep 05 04:00 |
rick_james | i don't give a fuck | Sep 05 04:00 |
rick_james | DaemonFC: kick me | Sep 05 04:00 |
rick_james | ban me forever | Sep 05 04:00 |
DaemonFC | Women admire DaemonFC and men want to be DaemonFC | Sep 05 04:00 |
rick_james | no, woman dig BSD dudes | Sep 05 04:01 |
rick_james | us Linux dorks get no play | Sep 05 04:01 |
DaemonFC | Chuck Norris stared into the eyes of DaemonFC once and Chuck Norris has been in a state mental hospital ever since | Sep 05 04:01 |
_Hicham_ | ah, that is what I said | Sep 05 04:01 |
_Hicham_ | u GF left u for good ? | Sep 05 04:01 |
DaemonFC | well, it's better than leaving him for evil | Sep 05 04:02 |
DaemonFC | right? | Sep 05 04:02 |
_Hicham_ | huh, rick_james ? | Sep 05 04:02 |
rick_james | _Hicham_: yeah, my GF left me once i switched from Fedora to Debian | Sep 05 04:02 |
rick_james | does anybody still use Fedora? | Sep 05 04:02 |
rick_james | except Red Hat wannabe bitches | Sep 05 04:02 |
rick_james | oh, and nobody uses Suse...so you're all happy | Sep 05 04:03 |
_Hicham_ | I use Fedora | Sep 05 04:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I think rick James is putting us on | Sep 05 04:03 |
_Hicham_ | I am having really a good time listening to him | Sep 05 04:03 |
rick_james | what is up with OpenSuse....why do i have 18 package managers? | Sep 05 04:03 |
rick_james | and slow as shit | Sep 05 04:03 |
DaemonFC | rick_james: Better check your Zypper, it may come undone | Sep 05 04:04 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 05 04:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | u need them all | Sep 05 04:04 |
rick_james | oh no, not Zypper | Sep 05 04:04 |
_Hicham_ | rick_james : u seem to be an old developer | Sep 05 04:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | until mono replaces it with the one true package manager | Sep 05 04:04 |
rick_james | my Zypper doesn't need an hour of dependency checks | Sep 05 04:04 |
rick_james | my real "zipper" | Sep 05 04:04 |
rick_james | opensuse needs to get their shit straight | Sep 05 04:04 |
rick_james | suse is a joke | Sep 05 04:05 |
rick_james | Novell should buy Canonical and dump that Suse crap | Sep 05 04:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yast was the last problem that I stopped trying suse | Sep 05 04:05 |
rick_james | anything based off of redhat sucks | Sep 05 04:05 |
_Hicham_ | wow, torrent of knowledge | Sep 05 04:05 |
rick_james | oh yeah, yast | Sep 05 04:05 |
rick_james | what is it? yast or zypper or what else? | Sep 05 04:06 |
_Hicham_ | rick_james : why not create ur own OS ? | Sep 05 04:06 |
_Hicham_ | since u got all of that knowledge | Sep 05 04:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | that was even b4 novell bought them, I only tried it once since then | Sep 05 04:06 |
rick_james | _Hicham_: yeah, he said "OS"...heheh..then he'd be cool | Sep 05 04:06 |
rick_james | </beavis> | Sep 05 04:06 |
_Hicham_ | rick_james : don't tell u r a fired Novell employee | Sep 05 04:07 |
rick_james | i ran desktop linux in the 90s....now it's just debian | Sep 05 04:07 |
rick_james | on the server, where linux belongs | Sep 05 04:07 |
Chips_B_Malroy | could be worse, a laid off softie | Sep 05 04:07 |
rick_james | i'd be rich if i was a laid off softie | Sep 05 04:08 |
rick_james | where's my ferrari | Sep 05 04:08 |
rick_james | italian trash | Sep 05 04:08 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : I just tried Ubuntu Karmic | Sep 05 04:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | not all softies are rich | Sep 05 04:08 |
rick_james | what's Karmic? | Sep 05 04:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | there are a lot of them out of work these days | Sep 05 04:08 |
tessier | rick_james: Gotta disagree with you about Linux dorks getting no play. | Sep 05 04:08 |
rick_james | too bad that ....thinking..thinking...that distro where all /etcs are in app directories OSX style | Sep 05 04:09 |
rick_james | tessier: no, chicks just love IT nerds | Sep 05 04:09 |
tessier | In 30 minutes I'm gonna be having a good time. | Sep 05 04:09 |
_Hicham_ | very deep knowlege of IT | Sep 05 04:09 |
rick_james | ...well they love our money | Sep 05 04:09 |
tessier | I'd give you the play by play but I can't type and enjoy her company at the same time. | Sep 05 04:09 |
twitter1 | I smell the smoke but I see no fire -> rick_james: thinking..thinking | Sep 05 04:09 |
rick_james | ...and our(my) fast cars | Sep 05 04:09 |
rick_james | all app config files are in app directory | Sep 05 04:10 |
rick_james | ala OSX style | Sep 05 04:10 |
_Hicham_ | rick_james : go find some $100 and see a stripper | Sep 05 04:10 |
rick_james | soft-linked for compatibility | Sep 05 04:10 |
_Hicham_ | you will feel alright | Sep 05 04:10 |
rick_james | i wipe my ass with C bills | Sep 05 04:10 |
rick_james | not! | Sep 05 04:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you sure you files are not in C:\program files ? | Sep 05 04:10 |
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twitter1 | musicians wise up. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/03/youtube-prs-deal-file-sharing | Sep 05 04:10 |
rick_james | yes, they are....i run windows on the desktop...like i said i haven't run linux on the desktop in half a decade | Sep 05 04:11 |
twitter1 | rick james keeps all his important things on a floppy. | Sep 05 04:11 |
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twitter1 | his micro softie | Sep 05 04:11 |
rick_james | twitter: a 8" floppie | Sep 05 04:11 |
rick_james | bro | Sep 05 04:11 |
rick_james | i'm total old school | Sep 05 04:11 |
twitter1 | totally limp | Sep 05 04:11 |
rick_james | like war games old school | Sep 05 04:11 |
_Hicham_ | rick_james is an old nerd | Sep 05 04:11 |
twitter1 | basement school | Sep 05 04:12 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Rick, wow, I confused again, first it was BSD, then Debian, and a few others, and now it Windose | Sep 05 04:12 |
rick_james | yeah, i'm 8" floppie, don't ask me what i am hard | Sep 05 04:12 |
_Hicham_ | give him respect | Sep 05 04:12 |
twitter1 | passed out? | Sep 05 04:12 |
rick_james | Chips_B_Malroy: damn dude, you are easily confused | Sep 05 04:12 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Sep 05 04:12 |
rick_james | i run 5-6 linux server (all debian) | Sep 05 04:13 |
twitter1 | woot | Sep 05 04:13 |
twitter1 | don't forget your WAP. | Sep 05 04:13 |
DaemonFC | /home/ryan/.wine/drive_c/ ftw | Sep 05 04:13 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Sep 05 04:13 |
_Hicham_ | rick_james : are u in love with OSes | Sep 05 04:13 |
rick_james | i run XP on my desktop...others run OSX or linux | Sep 05 04:13 |
twitter1 | X Peeeeeee! | Sep 05 04:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | doesn't everybody | Sep 05 04:13 |
twitter1 | this explains your unpleasant disposition. | Sep 05 04:13 |
rick_james | windows 7 is gonna kick Axel's ass..final death nail in the coffin of desktop linux....muwahahha | Sep 05 04:13 |
twitter1 | Windows users are always angry. | Sep 05 04:13 |
twitter1 | perpetually disappointed | Sep 05 04:14 |
rick_james | twitter: no, we're busy picking up woman, while ubuntu desktop dorks are busy on forums | Sep 05 04:14 |
neighborlee | rick_james, they better fix it before release then...rc I tried was still a mess overall | Sep 05 04:14 |
twitter1 | Windows 8 is going to the moon! | Sep 05 04:14 |
rick_james | trying to figure out some driver issue | Sep 05 04:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | twitter1> Windows users are always angry.--wouldn't you be too if you ran it? | Sep 05 04:14 |
rick_james | neighborlee: no it wasn't, stop lying. just be honest....windows 7 is a decent OS...if you prefer linux fine, but don't lie | Sep 05 04:15 |
neighborlee | and that was just a month or so ago | Sep 05 04:15 |
twitter1 | yes, I used that crap for years and speak from experience | Sep 05 04:15 |
neighborlee | rick_james, how dare you sir insult my integrity, I'll h ave you know im trusted amoung men | Sep 05 04:15 |
twitter1 | rick james comes to BN to pick up women! | Sep 05 04:15 |
rick_james | windows 7 will be a decent desktop OS | Sep 05 04:15 |
neighborlee | harhar | Sep 05 04:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Rick, isn't time you scanned for viruses and defragged yourself? | Sep 05 04:15 |
twitter1 | lol | Sep 05 04:15 |
rick_james | but i do linux on the server | Sep 05 04:15 |
neighborlee | lol | Sep 05 04:15 |
rick_james | windows is too hard on the server | Sep 05 04:15 |
twitter1 | server! | Sep 05 04:15 |
rick_james | IIS is a clusterfuck | Sep 05 04:15 |
rick_james | gotta remote desktop in...all sorts of shenanigans | Sep 05 04:16 |
twitter1 | XP is a clusterfuck | Sep 05 04:16 |
_Hicham_ | this guy is a real scientist | Sep 05 04:16 |
DaemonFC | twitter1 is just a VBS script running on Windows 98 | Sep 05 04:16 |
rick_james | twitter: desktop linux is a clusterfuck | Sep 05 04:16 |
DaemonFC | he doesn't like to talk about it | Sep 05 04:16 |
rick_james | linux on the server....OSX or Windows on the desktop | Sep 05 04:16 |
twitter1 | dual screens, do they make you feel bigger? | Sep 05 04:16 |
rick_james | that's what pros do | Sep 05 04:16 |
rick_james | you dorks can run whatever you want | Sep 05 04:17 |
twitter1 | pro? prostitute? | Sep 05 04:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | well, rick is entertaining | Sep 05 04:17 |
twitter1 | not really | Sep 05 04:17 |
twitter1 | kind of repetitive | Sep 05 04:17 |
rick_james | twitter: you hurt my feelings...i'm here all week...try the veal..tip your waiters | Sep 05 04:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | rick_james> linux on the server....OSX or Windows on the desktop---what the heck, now you running OS X? I really confused | Sep 05 04:17 |
twitter1 | awwww, have a hug | Sep 05 04:17 |
rick_james | Chips_B_Malroy: is it possible for you to understand that some of us can run maybe 10s of OSs at the same time from within our desktop? | Sep 05 04:18 |
twitter1 | the only thing he runs are his mom's groceries | Sep 05 04:18 |
twitter1 | and his mouth | Sep 05 04:18 |
rick_james | twitter, sorry, i run XP on the desktop, you linux guys are the basement dwellers | Sep 05 04:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, rick, I run VM's too | Sep 05 04:19 |
rick_james | twitter is a bitter, bitter boy | Sep 05 04:19 |
twitter1 | ha ha | Sep 05 04:19 |
twitter1 | Yeah, I hang out on Windows forums and insult the people there with my penis. | Sep 05 04:19 |
rick_james | twitter: you bitch-slap them with your penis? | Sep 05 04:19 |
rick_james | "whap, whap" | Sep 05 04:19 |
twitter1 | no, I just make up stories about how big and old it is. | Sep 05 04:20 |
rick_james | no, seriously i like linux...debian...i can have a web server running in 15 minutes | Sep 05 04:20 |
rick_james | apache config files confuse the fuck out of me still | Sep 05 04:20 |
twitter1 | no one cares what you like | Sep 05 04:20 |
rick_james | twitter: yes you do..admit it | Sep 05 04:20 |
rick_james | twitter: you're very interested..stop denying it | Sep 05 04:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | basement dwellers, I have been called that many times before, time to get better insults, or at least something orginal. But then M$ is known to never have any new ideas | Sep 05 04:20 |
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twitter1 | same old, same old | Sep 05 04:21 |
rick_james | hey chip..new ideas? M$? | Sep 05 04:21 |
rick_james | new idea...M$? | Sep 05 04:21 |
rick_james | dorkistan | Sep 05 04:21 |
rick_james | i'll be back later..the old lady is dragging me to the bars even though i need to program | Sep 05 04:21 |
twitter1 | have you grasped Steve Ballmer's mighty penis lately, rick? | Sep 05 04:21 |
rick_james | yes, i'm geekistan | Sep 05 04:21 |
twitter1 | I see | Sep 05 04:21 |
rick_james | twitter's new name is bitterboy | Sep 05 04:22 |
twitter1 | my name is neo | Sep 05 04:22 |
twitter1 | bitch | Sep 05 04:22 |
rick_james | fine, your new name is geekistan | Sep 05 04:22 |
rick_james | later bitches! | Sep 05 04:22 |
rick_james | i'm rick james bitches! | Sep 05 04:22 |
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twitter1 | clearing scroll | Sep 05 04:23 |
twitter1 | :) | Sep 05 04:23 |
twitter1 | that troll was dull. | Sep 05 04:23 |
twitter1 | mostly harmless | Sep 05 04:23 |
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twitter1 | got dragged out to a bar by his latest piece of imaginary property | Sep 05 04:25 |
DaemonFC | I found out what's up with Last.fm, apparently they changed their API because all these applications were unauthorized and now you have to pay them for a key for a premium account if you want to use an unofficial client | Sep 05 04:25 |
DaemonFC | Rhythmbox got a waiver and is apparently using a free API key | Sep 05 04:25 |
DaemonFC | Banshee didn't get one in time for 1.5.0 | Sep 05 04:26 |
twitter1 | i4i document publication is a mess. Word case is shrouded in mystery. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090904195554466 | Sep 05 04:27 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : still hanging around Mint ? | Sep 05 04:28 |
DaemonFC | indeed | Sep 05 04:28 |
DaemonFC | I like it | Sep 05 04:28 |
_Hicham_ | the latest kernel is working as expected ? | Sep 05 04:28 |
DaemonFC | yes, I figured out all the problems | Sep 05 04:29 |
twitter1 | -> Microsoft doesn't want another Linux, of course. It hates the first one. But what about you? | Sep 05 04:29 |
twitter1 | she's a little bit wrong. M$ wants to own gnu/linux. | Sep 05 04:30 |
twitter1 | the same way they stole BSD | Sep 05 04:30 |
DaemonFC | for some reason, if you import your working Ubuntu kernel config to use as a template for 2.6.31, it will uncheck "Multimedia Devices" from your drivers | Sep 05 04:30 |
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DaemonFC | so if you just let it build like that, you won't have your webcam, TV tuner, or radio tuner drivers | Sep 05 04:30 |
DaemonFC | it's easy enough to re-select them though, IF you know it did it | Sep 05 04:30 |
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_Hicham_ | that is Ubuntu Karmic have no sound I think | Sep 05 04:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy | twittter> PJ thinks like a lawyer I believe, but thinks the court system is honest. Look at how quick the court system moved to allow MS to keep selling Office | Sep 05 04:37 |
Chips_B_Malroy | think M$ most likely got to them | Sep 05 04:37 |
twitter1 | The court might be going for retirement.... Biski will wreck their business model too. | Sep 05 04:38 |
twitter1 | "Pay us or you can't sell Word" LOL | Sep 05 04:38 |
twitter1 | We shall see. | Sep 05 04:38 |
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twitter1 | PJ knows better than to insult the court without good evidence. | Sep 05 04:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy | true | Sep 05 04:39 |
twitter1 | Others have written up how the court is a big money maker and all sorts of nefarious firms have set up around it. | Sep 05 04:40 |
twitter1 | Of course, many have also shown that software patents are fraud, so the court's basis is fraudulent. | Sep 05 04:40 |
Chips_B_Malroy | twitter, you live here in the USA? | Sep 05 04:41 |
twitter1 | Yes. | Sep 05 04:41 |
twitter1 | Someone like me might conclude that the East Texas is a greedy fraud. | Sep 05 04:41 |
twitter1 | East Texas patent mill. | Sep 05 04:42 |
DaemonFC | East Texas, where all patent lawsuits fly | Sep 05 04:42 |
DaemonFC | no matter how frivolous | Sep 05 04:42 |
DaemonFC | patently frivolous you might say | Sep 05 04:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | then you know that we have more people behind bars, percentage wise than any western industrial country. With the possible exception of Russia, but that was back a few years ago, and I think we suppassed Russia now | Sep 05 04:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | it is sometimes referred to as the "prision industry" | Sep 05 04:44 |
_Hicham_ | twitter1 seems to be a common prisoner | Sep 05 04:44 |
twitter1 | -> you have to read Canadian press to get much of i4i's side of the story, which could be an indication of the disparity in funding for things like PR, and the court isn't helping [by not publishing documents] | Sep 05 04:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | laws, the court system, and the prison industry, are all interrated | Sep 05 04:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but PJ says the big media got those docs, but won't help her get them. Could it be that big media is friends with MS? | Sep 05 04:46 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MSNBC | Sep 05 04:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | first on list of examples | Sep 05 04:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | greed and corruption goes very deep | Sep 05 04:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I did read your link | Sep 05 04:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I always read PJ anyway | Sep 05 04:48 |
DaemonFC | i4i is a patent troll | Sep 05 04:51 |
twitter1 | Noooooo! Not at all. Nor is the court playing favorites. Move along -> Could it be that big media is friends with MS? | Sep 05 04:51 |
DaemonFC | if they thought they could take a bite out of anyone's ass over OOo, they would | Sep 05 04:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | if the court is not publishing the docs, but PJ says that the media still got them | Sep 05 04:51 |
twitter1 | The court is publishing parts of some. It is secretive, and odd. | Sep 05 04:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | i4i s not a patent troll | Sep 05 04:53 |
DaemonFC | the tide is starting to turn against i4i as they move out of the lawsuit friendly east Texas court system | Sep 05 04:53 |
twitter1 | nope, i4i is a real company providing real goods and services. | Sep 05 04:53 |
DaemonFC | no they don't | Sep 05 04:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | everything the us courts and the DOJ have done with regards to MS is odd | Sep 05 04:53 |
DaemonFC | they're doing exactly what the FSF bitches about | Sep 05 04:54 |
twitter1 | M$ really did charm their way in and suck out everything of use before treating them like another "one night stand" | Sep 05 04:54 |
DaemonFC | malicious use of patents to stop other people from implementing software functionalit | Sep 05 04:54 |
DaemonFC | *functionality | Sep 05 04:54 |
twitter1 | If software patents have any merit, i4i's case is solid. | Sep 05 04:54 |
DaemonFC | and they don't have any merit | Sep 05 04:54 |
DaemonFC | i4i included | Sep 05 04:54 |
DaemonFC | as amusing as it is to see Microsoft get a taste of their own medicine, it doesn't mean that i4i is good | Sep 05 04:55 |
DaemonFC | or that software patents are anything other than bogus | Sep 05 04:55 |
DaemonFC | I'm not siding with Microsoft, but you're a hypocrite if you say "toss all the damned patents out" then root for a patent troll just because they're pursuing someone you don't like (this time) | Sep 05 04:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | While software patents should never have been, they are the law of this land | Sep 05 04:57 |
DaemonFC | if they were going after Red Hat, you'd be singing a different tune even though it wouldn't change what they are or what they're doing | Sep 05 04:57 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft would rather get sued now and then than throw the system out that lets them intimidate others | Sep 05 04:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and this is only the start of software patents lawsuits | Sep 05 04:58 |
DaemonFC | to them, i4i is just another pain in the ass, they'll settle it if they have to and then move right along | Sep 05 04:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS will be sued many many times | Sep 05 04:59 |
DaemonFC | to them, it's a cost of doing business | Sep 05 04:59 |
DaemonFC | being sued is like paying the electric bill | Sep 05 04:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | for the simple fact, if your objective is to make money, you sue those with the most money | Sep 05 04:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MS brags about how much money it makes and has | Sep 05 05:00 |
DaemonFC | well yeah, but being sued and losing an average of $100 million or so to them is cheap when they benefit from using the same tactics as i4i or uniloc towards Linux | Sep 05 05:00 |
DaemonFC | to them, the fact of being sued is like paying an insurance policy | Sep 05 05:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its a lawsuit patent target as well as Windows is a malware target | Sep 05 05:00 |
DaemonFC | you lose a little money on the premiums each month, but it saves you from being devastated when something comes up | Sep 05 05:01 |
DaemonFC | speaking of which, my aunt is dropping off her laptop and my cousin's laptop tomorrow | Sep 05 05:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | thats only one case, I bet they are starting to pay more than a billion a year now in lawsuits. Not counting EU fines | Sep 05 05:01 |
DaemonFC | I get to root out all the malware and possibly wipe the disc an reload Vista | Sep 05 05:01 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: The EU is essentially stealing | Sep 05 05:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | use DBAN | Sep 05 05:02 |
DaemonFC | they wouldn't do that if Microsoft was based in Europe | Sep 05 05:02 |
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DaemonFC | if the EU actually gave a flying f*** about Microsoft exploiting the customer, they'd make them redesign Windows to allow competition | Sep 05 05:03 |
twitter1 | well, that and the simple fact that M$ is more abusive and their software is easier to break than anyone else's | Sep 05 05:03 |
DaemonFC | not just fine them over and over with no real resolution in it for the consumer | Sep 05 05:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I lie the EU, I say more power to them, my only complaint with the EU is they have been far too easy on MS | Sep 05 05:03 |
twitter1 | lawsuit and malware magnets for better reasons than "success" | Sep 05 05:04 |
DaemonFC | the EU doesn't care if Internet Explorer is pissing all over the user's preferences | Sep 05 05:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *like | Sep 05 05:04 |
DaemonFC | and reasserting itself as the default browser whenever you open it | Sep 05 05:04 |
DaemonFC | they just want their money | Sep 05 05:04 |
DaemonFC | the European Commission is basically a group of gangsters | Sep 05 05:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | fine, let the EU take MS money, I like that | Sep 05 05:05 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: I'm just saying | Sep 05 05:05 |
DaemonFC | WHY does the EU never do anything about the anticompetitive behavior of MS applications | Sep 05 05:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The DOJ could have done it | Sep 05 05:05 |
DaemonFC | the illegal bundling | Sep 05 05:05 |
DaemonFC | the trampling of consumer choice | Sep 05 05:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Except Bush came in all friends with MS | Sep 05 05:06 |
DaemonFC | they haven't stopped Microsoft from dancing all over the customer with bundled foistware | Sep 05 05:06 |
DaemonFC | they jsut take their protection money and then go away for another year or two | Sep 05 05:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but they are trying | Sep 05 05:06 |
DaemonFC | gangsters | Sep 05 05:06 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC is helping MS | Sep 05 05:07 |
DaemonFC | the EU is helping them | Sep 05 05:07 |
_Hicham_ | for how much did u buy Vista ? | Sep 05 05:07 |
_Hicham_ | the EU is not helping them | Sep 05 05:08 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft forks over the money and the EU lets Windows bundleware get away with murder | Sep 05 05:08 |
DaemonFC | to hell with the EU | Sep 05 05:08 |
_Hicham_ | they are forcing them to ship a browserless windows 8 | Sep 05 05:08 |
_Hicham_ | *7 | Sep 05 05:08 |
DaemonFC | no they aren't | Sep 05 05:08 |
DaemonFC | they have that stupid f-ing browser ballot | Sep 05 05:08 |
DaemonFC | that's not an IE-less Windows | Sep 05 05:08 |
DaemonFC | it's not even a slap on the wrist | Sep 05 05:09 |
DaemonFC | people who are interested in seeking out Firefox already have it | Sep 05 05:09 |
_Hicham_ | they said that they will give the user the choice to download his browser of choice | Sep 05 05:09 |
DaemonFC | people who want Opera already have it | Sep 05 05:09 |
_Hicham_ | but people who don't know about browsers ? | Sep 05 05:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | actually, MS put the ballet in, and I think the EU did not tell them to do that? Not sure, but I think they still going get a big fine out of this | Sep 05 05:09 |
_Hicham_ | what do u think they will choose ? | Sep 05 05:09 |
DaemonFC | they haven't forced the removal of IE in total or at least forcing Microsoft to not make IE make an ass out of itself | Sep 05 05:09 |
DaemonFC | they could, they haven't | Sep 05 05:10 |
DaemonFC | that tells you it's all about the money | Sep 05 05:10 |
_Hicham_ | then how did this proposal came to light ? | Sep 05 05:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | it tells me that the EU court system is slow and they have not made a decision yet | Sep 05 05:10 |
DaemonFC | that's like saying "Pay the EU $700 million and they'll let you continue to violate their consumer protection laws" | Sep 05 05:11 |
DaemonFC | it's a price of admission | Sep 05 05:11 |
_Hicham_ | goo | Sep 05 05:11 |
_Hicham_ | good | Sep 05 05:11 |
_Hicham_ | in the US they don't pay a dime | Sep 05 05:11 |
DaemonFC | they should be fined, but if this is really all about the consumer, they should also have to change the malicious behavior of Windows bundleware | Sep 05 05:11 |
DaemonFC | and provide uninstallers for it | Sep 05 05:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes. except to some of the states that dropped out of the DOJ lawsuits, I think all those cases are over now | Sep 05 05:12 |
_Hicham_ | uninstallers for what ? | Sep 05 05:12 |
_Hicham_ | an example plz | Sep 05 05:12 |
_Hicham_ | IE? | Sep 05 05:12 |
_Hicham_ | Windows Movie Maker ? | Sep 05 05:12 |
_Hicham_ | Notepad ? | Sep 05 05:12 |
_Hicham_ | Wordpad ? | Sep 05 05:12 |
_Hicham_ | Regedit ? | Sep 05 05:12 |
_Hicham_ | can u imagine a Windows without that staff ? | Sep 05 05:13 |
DaemonFC | IE, Windows Media Player, Windows Movie Maker, should be optional components | Sep 05 05:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I think Daemon means IE, outlook, wmp, and messinger, forced middleware bundling | Sep 05 05:13 |
DaemonFC | and Windows Media Center too | Sep 05 05:13 |
DaemonFC | precisely | Sep 05 05:13 |
_Hicham_ | Microsoft won't allow that | Sep 05 05:13 |
DaemonFC | no shit | Sep 05 05:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and I agree with you Daemon | Sep 05 05:13 |
_Hicham_ | they will simply die than allow it | Sep 05 05:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and thats a bad thing? | Sep 05 05:14 |
DaemonFC | All "turning it off" does is hide some icons and disable parts of it | Sep 05 05:14 |
DaemonFC | it doesn't actually uninstall any of it | Sep 05 05:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | how? | Sep 05 05:14 |
_Hicham_ | but it is there | Sep 05 05:15 |
_Hicham_ | IE can't be removed | Sep 05 05:15 |
_Hicham_ | IE is more than a browser in Windows | Sep 05 05:15 |
DaemonFC | IE the browser can, but 99.9% of it is still there | Sep 05 05:15 |
DaemonFC | (Windows 7) | Sep 05 05:15 |
DaemonFC | IE is just a browser without an uninstaller | Sep 05 05:15 |
_Hicham_ | it is the Windows Network Stack in fact | Sep 05 05:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | two parts of IE, IE itself and windows explorer | Sep 05 05:15 |
DaemonFC | no it isn't | Sep 05 05:15 |
_Hicham_ | u can't remove IE completely | Sep 05 05:16 |
DaemonFC | yes you can | Sep 05 05:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Windows 95 had windows explorer, although it might have had another name | Sep 05 05:16 |
_Hicham_ | then windows will become useless | Sep 05 05:16 |
DaemonFC | have to use third party customization tools | Sep 05 05:16 |
DaemonFC | it can be done | Sep 05 05:16 |
_Hicham_ | for example, the help center won't work | Sep 05 05:16 |
_Hicham_ | all help files won't work | Sep 05 05:16 |
DaemonFC | I uninstall the help center too | Sep 05 05:16 |
_Hicham_ | that is just some of the breakage | Sep 05 05:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you cannot remove windows explorer, you can remove most of IE | Sep 05 05:17 |
_Hicham_ | what about help files ? | Sep 05 05:17 |
DaemonFC | Windows Explorer is a different program | Sep 05 05:17 |
_Hicham_ | the chm files ? | Sep 05 05:17 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | The help center is useless and mostly broken | Sep 05 05:17 |
_Hicham_ | how can u read chm files without IE ? | Sep 05 05:17 |
DaemonFC | the help center is for idiots that can't figure out a simple GUI | Sep 05 05:17 |
DaemonFC | I've never read the help system of any OS because it's never as helpful as googling the problem | Sep 05 05:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, its asks you if your computer is plugged in | Sep 05 05:18 |
_Hicham_ | help system for a new software | Sep 05 05:18 |
DaemonFC | and besides, most programs are self explanatory | Sep 05 05:18 |
_Hicham_ | let's say, Photoshop | Sep 05 05:18 |
_Hicham_ | Photoshop for example is not self explanatory | Sep 05 05:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | hey, let MS find another way to display help pages | Sep 05 05:18 |
DaemonFC | Photoshop is massive and there are books at the library on how to use it | Sep 05 05:18 |
_Hicham_ | Adobe Flash MX is not self explanatory | Sep 05 05:19 |
_Hicham_ | those are just examples | Sep 05 05:19 |
_Hicham_ | and a lot of books are in chm format | Sep 05 05:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the help system in xp was mostly broken anyway | Sep 05 05:19 |
_Hicham_ | a lot of software use IE to display stuff | Sep 05 05:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | there was bad links that could be fixed with some programs for windows help | Sep 05 05:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | u can always reinstall it IE, if thats the case, but I say its not worth the malware problems for windows users | Sep 05 05:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | they be better off without any IE and make MS use something else for updates as well | Sep 05 05:21 |
_Hicham_ | u gotta find a way to use another rendering engine | Sep 05 05:22 |
_Hicham_ | but I don't it is legal | Sep 05 05:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | legal for what? | Sep 05 05:22 |
_Hicham_ | otherwise, people could have written an mshtml.dll pointing to some other engine | Sep 05 05:23 |
_Hicham_ | and it is not very hard | Sep 05 05:23 |
_Hicham_ | reverse engineering mshtml.dll would be a game | Sep 05 05:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | it will become legal over night if MS is forced to use something else besides IE | Sep 05 05:24 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Well, goodnight people its been fun chatting with you folks | Sep 05 05:26 |
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_Hicham_ | DaemonFC is still encoding | Sep 05 05:28 |
DaemonFC | heh | Sep 05 05:28 |
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twitter1 | blithering bullshit about Vista 7 -> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171275/microsoft_intel_build_fast_efficient_windows_7_machines.html | Sep 05 06:00 |
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twitter1 | AES, DirectX 11 !!111!! rock Onan! | Sep 05 06:01 |
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twitter1 | the phrase " takes advantage of" comes up a lot. Takes advantage of [your choice] | Sep 05 06:02 |
twitter1 | Windows 7 is not Vista, they promise. http://www.crn.com/software/219500961 | Sep 05 06:06 |
wallclimber | Ahh...fast, efficient windows 7...lol | Sep 05 06:06 |
wallclimber | twitter, i saved you a hamburger | Sep 05 06:06 |
wallclimber | i just dropped in to see if there was any conversation going on... | Sep 05 06:07 |
wallclimber | was reading chips malory's comments on ms watch. i've never visited that site before | Sep 05 06:08 |
wallclimber | a friend called this afternoon to tell me she'd bought a dell netbook and was surprised that it had ubuntu on it. | Sep 05 06:09 |
wallclimber | she likes it | Sep 05 06:09 |
twitter1 | thanks for the burger | Sep 05 06:09 |
wallclimber | it's funny, 3 years ago i knew no one that didn't use windows | Sep 05 06:09 |
twitter1 | nothing much is going on here | Sep 05 06:09 |
wallclimber | this year i hardly know anyone that uses windows | Sep 05 06:10 |
twitter1 | :) | Sep 05 06:10 |
wallclimber | hi twitter, i'm sorry you missed the cook out | Sep 05 06:10 |
wallclimber | are you in the states? | Sep 05 06:10 |
twitter1 | I'm in Tacoma. | Sep 05 06:10 |
twitter1 | Right next to M$. | Sep 05 06:11 |
wallclimber | we had all the neighbors here and some friends, it was nice | Sep 05 06:11 |
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wallclimber | yes, that's a little too far to run over for a hamburger...i'm in arizona | Sep 05 06:11 |
wallclimber | the state where we don't need no stinkin' charcoal to cook our burgers | Sep 05 06:12 |
wallclimber | :o) (it wasn't quite as hot today as it's been) | Sep 05 06:12 |
wallclimber | btw, i've had a bit of wine, so i probably shouldn't be left unsupervised at the computer | Sep 05 06:13 |
wallclimber | years ago i lived in stanwood washington...it was very pretty | Sep 05 06:13 |
wallclimber | (I'm rambling...i should stop...sorry) | Sep 05 06:14 |
wallclimber | bye for now...(wallclimber toddles off to find her wine glass... | Sep 05 06:14 |
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rick_james | my favorite enemies | Sep 05 06:49 |
rick_james | my favorite gpl jihadists | Sep 05 06:49 |
rick_james | hola, anyway... | Sep 05 06:53 |
rick_james | hey twitter | Sep 05 06:54 |
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twitter1 | lost your girlfriend? | Sep 05 07:10 |
twitter1 | imaginary property, imaginary date. | Sep 05 07:10 |
twitter1 | I've been updating the Vista 7 Hype Log. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/216759 | Sep 05 07:11 |
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_Goblin | they are starting early today.... | Sep 05 08:21 |
schestowitz | THat troll came in just minutes after I went to get sleep | Sep 05 08:25 |
schestowitz | Are we DDOSed? | Sep 05 08:28 |
schestowitz | Seems like it | Sep 05 08:28 |
schestowitz | ping tessier | Sep 05 08:28 |
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_Goblin | Linuxtracker has been having some trouble lately with DDOS | Sep 05 08:29 |
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schestowitz | It has apparently gone on for a few hours. | Sep 05 08:30 |
_Goblin | there's been alot of it around Linux sites recently... | Sep 05 08:32 |
tessier | schestowitz: It looks like yahoo is spidering too hard | Sep 05 08:35 |
tessier | That's the only thing I can see happening. | Sep 05 08:35 |
tessier | We need to take a look at the site and figure out how we can fix this. | Sep 05 08:35 |
schestowitz | WHat shall we do? | Sep 05 08:35 |
schestowitz | tessier: thanks a lot | Sep 05 08:35 |
tessier | I'm just blocking the crawling ip's for the moment | Sep 05 08:36 |
schestowitz | SOmeone mailed me 3 hours ago saying he had issues accessing too | Sep 05 08:36 |
tessier | I have been getting pages about it all evening. | Sep 05 08:36 |
tessier | It comes and goes it seems. | Sep 05 08:36 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's part of Yahoo's deal with Microsoft ;-) | Sep 05 08:36 |
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schestowitz | Novell News Summary – Part I: OpenSUSE Conference Preparations, Indonesian Event < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/05/opensuse-conference-preparations/ > | Sep 05 09:57 |
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DaemonFC | Mandriva is sending me junkmail now trying to sell me a DVD player | Sep 05 10:08 |
DaemonFC | I guess nobody got the memo that VLC is free | Sep 05 10:08 |
schestowitz | Or an OS | Sep 05 10:16 |
schestowitz | Some people still pay for Windows | Sep 05 10:16 |
_Goblin | I'd heard that too Roy....I dont believe it though! ;) | Sep 05 10:16 |
_Goblin | if Windows can be sold its proof you can sell anything. | Sep 05 10:17 |
DaemonFC | Fluendo = parasites | Sep 05 10:17 |
schestowitz | I was going to bring up Fluendo | Sep 05 10:21 |
DaemonFC | speaking of bloated and unnecessary software, Songbird is hell on wheels, especially on Windows | Sep 05 10:21 |
schestowitz | I got some weird E_mails last night | Sep 05 10:21 |
DaemonFC | emails from who? | Sep 05 10:22 |
schestowitz | I need to be more careful who I reply to | Sep 05 10:22 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't know | Sep 05 10:22 |
schestowitz | People without real names | Sep 05 10:22 |
schestowitz | To discredit the site... | Sep 05 10:22 |
schestowitz | Oh, and that troll who was here earlier... | Sep 05 10:22 |
schestowitz | Shouting insults and making death wishes... | Sep 05 10:23 |
schestowitz | I wonder if it's related to other issues we've been having | Sep 05 10:23 |
schestowitz | SOngBird llooks nice | Sep 05 10:23 |
schestowitz | Is it bloated? | Sep 05 10:23 |
DaemonFC | it looks nice, but it's not | Sep 05 10:23 |
schestowitz | I might try it it's light | Sep 05 10:23 |
schestowitz | Let's see the repos | Sep 05 10:23 |
DaemonFC | well, it has a lot of features and an easy to use plug in system | Sep 05 10:23 |
DaemonFC | those are the good parts | Sep 05 10:23 |
DaemonFC | bad part is that it's essentially Firefox lugging around a full copy of Gstreamer :) | Sep 05 10:24 |
schestowitz | It's not in the repos | Sep 05 10:24 |
schestowitz | xmms2 is weird | Sep 05 10:24 |
DaemonFC | it even uses it's own internal version of Gstreamer in Windows | Sep 05 10:25 |
schestowitz | Seems like soke cLI wrapped of some kind | Sep 05 10:25 |
DaemonFC | I looked at the memory use and found that it was using over 3 times as much as Winamp | Sep 05 10:25 |
DaemonFC | about the same difference on Linux between Songbird and something like Rhythmbox or Banshee | Sep 05 10:26 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's not in Ubuntu's repo either | Sep 05 10:33 |
DaemonFC | Getdeb has it - http://www.getdeb.net/release.php?id=4461 | Sep 05 10:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, it's funny, because you can actually use it as a web browser too, complete with adblock plus | Sep 05 10:34 |
DaemonFC | funny as in scary anyway | Sep 05 10:34 |
schestowitz | Not needed | Sep 05 10:35 |
schestowitz | Sounds like Banshee stupidity | Sep 05 10:35 |
DaemonFC | worse | Sep 05 10:35 |
DaemonFC | much much much worse | Sep 05 10:35 |
schestowitz | I read somewhere that Bashee development slowed | Sep 05 10:35 |
schestowitz | Do many people use it at all? | Sep 05 10:35 |
DaemonFC | Songbird can only be described as "Something Awful" yet it has tons of fanboys | Sep 05 10:35 |
schestowitz | They want to have it penetrate *buntu as default app | Sep 05 10:35 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, They have to fix Last.FM first | Sep 05 10:36 |
DaemonFC | or they'll have an open revolt if they try to get it in Ubuntu | Sep 05 10:36 |
DaemonFC | it's been broken for months | Sep 05 10:37 |
DaemonFC | if they were really hammering away on it, it something that small would have been fixed by now | Sep 05 10:37 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1418/screenshotjb.png | Sep 05 10:43 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 05 10:43 |
DaemonFC | must be using the Firefox 3 rendering engine | Sep 05 10:44 |
DaemonFC | at any rate, adblock plus works, Flash sites work, even Java | Sep 05 10:44 |
DaemonFC | the google search extension works too | Sep 05 10:44 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm | Sep 05 10:49 |
DaemonFC | I just had a really perverted idea | Sep 05 10:49 |
DaemonFC | I should install Chatzilla too | Sep 05 10:49 |
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schestowitz | Hi, oiaohm | Sep 05 11:11 |
schestowitz | Did you see the article about Best Buy? | Sep 05 11:11 |
oiaohm | One from last night? | Sep 05 11:13 |
oiaohm | Ok last night my time ie 12 hours ago. | Sep 05 11:13 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 05 11:13 |
oiaohm | Opps | Sep 05 11:13 |
oiaohm | 24 hours ago. | Sep 05 11:13 |
schestowitz | I wrote about it in BN | Sep 05 11:14 |
oiaohm | Nice schestowitz. I seam to get quoted a bit by you. | Sep 05 11:15 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 05 11:15 |
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DaemonSongbird | this has to be a first | Sep 05 11:17 |
DaemonSongbird | greetings from an IRC client in a web browser in a media player :) | Sep 05 11:17 |
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DaemonFC | hehe | Sep 05 11:17 |
DaemonFC | now that's Web 2.0 | Sep 05 11:17 |
DaemonFC | I had to override the extension compatibility check, but it worked | Sep 05 11:19 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Just like I said, a media player lugging around a braindead Firefox | Sep 05 11:19 |
oiaohm | Sorry not a first. | Sep 05 11:20 |
oiaohm | A few have also been here using the webbrowser in thunderbird as well DaemonFC | Sep 05 11:20 |
oiaohm | Basically if it can web browse someone has done it. | Sep 05 11:21 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm....I wonder if it would be possible to integrate Thunderbird into Songbird | Sep 05 11:21 |
DaemonFC | and then integrate Chatzilla into that | Sep 05 11:21 |
DaemonFC | ThunderSongFoxZilla? | Sep 05 11:22 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 05 11:22 |
oiaohm | Can be done DaemonFC | Sep 05 11:22 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, there's your netbook OS | Sep 05 11:22 |
oiaohm | Can get even more confusing if you intergrate in fox tunes as well. | Sep 05 11:23 |
DaemonFC | make some kind of minimal Linux-based environment that's just good enough to load ThunderSongFoxZilla | Sep 05 11:23 |
DaemonFC | and you'll sell a billion of them | Sep 05 11:23 |
DaemonFC | I don't know quite why people have a fetish for spending more and more money on devices that let them do less and less | Sep 05 11:24 |
DaemonFC | the margins on those netbooks much be pretty lucrative | Sep 05 11:24 |
DaemonFC | the hardware probably costs next to nothing to make | Sep 05 11:24 |
DaemonFC | *must | Sep 05 11:24 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, The problem with applications that do everything is that they don't tend to do any particular task well | Sep 05 11:25 |
oiaohm | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/219 << foxtunes DaemonFC | Sep 05 11:26 |
DaemonFC | so even though it sounds cool, it's not worth screwing around with | Sep 05 11:26 |
oiaohm | Yep in theory you could do the insane looped controls. | Sep 05 11:26 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 05 11:28 |
DaemonFC | Karmic has Gnome Shell in the repository | Sep 05 11:28 |
schestowitz | SongBird has JS? | Sep 05 11:29 |
schestowitz | THey can introduce more complexity for vulns.. in a MEDIA player | Sep 05 11:29 |
schestowitz | Like autofetch of rogue codecs | Sep 05 11:29 |
schestowitz | I use THunderBird as a Web browser and RSS newsreader | Sep 05 11:30 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, it also lets websites read your music library by default | Sep 05 11:30 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 05 11:30 |
DaemonFC | security problems begging to happen | Sep 05 11:30 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I said all along that XUL would be the cause of cross platform malware | Sep 05 11:31 |
DaemonFC | and there's already been a few documented cases of that | Sep 05 11:31 |
oiaohm | Also rare DaemonFC | Sep 05 11:32 |
oiaohm | Because lot of the weakness for cross platform malware get closed. | Sep 05 11:32 |
DaemonFC | well, oiaohm, the way Firefox is, you pretty much have to trick someone into installing an extension | Sep 05 11:32 |
DaemonFC | but since there's plenty of stupid people, there will be plenty of victims | Sep 05 11:33 |
DaemonFC | but the way Songbird is, it practically rolls out the red carpet for drive by malware | Sep 05 11:33 |
oiaohm | Bigger weakness is the .net engine MS added. | Sep 05 11:33 |
DaemonFC | I doubt the user would even get a chance to say no | Sep 05 11:33 |
DaemonFC | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell | Sep 05 11:34 |
DaemonFC | big things coming :) | Sep 05 11:34 |
oiaohm | To be correct with songbird its a little harder. | Sep 05 11:34 |
oiaohm | Its extentions install from 1 site and are signed. | Sep 05 11:35 |
oiaohm | Firefox still accepts unsigned. | Sep 05 11:35 |
DaemonFC | GNOME 3 may very well blow past KDE 4.x | Sep 05 11:35 |
oiaohm | Not really. | Sep 05 11:35 |
DaemonFC | KDE 4 still relies on monolithic applications | Sep 05 11:36 |
oiaohm | if the gnome developers don't fix some of Gnomes design defects for version 3 its going to make KDE 4.0 look friendly. | Sep 05 11:36 |
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DaemonFC | doesn't look like this will so much | Sep 05 11:36 |
oiaohm | Core design errors. | Sep 05 11:36 |
oiaohm | Like having every application create a service basically on dbus. | Sep 05 11:36 |
oiaohm | Lets hope dbus stays operating. | Sep 05 11:37 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, seems like they're stripping out a lot of legacy crap already | Sep 05 11:37 |
DaemonFC | just look at the GNOME 2.28 development | Sep 05 11:37 |
DaemonFC | most of the changes are in the background | Sep 05 11:37 |
oiaohm | Removing legacy crap is what KDE 4.0 did. | Sep 05 11:37 |
DaemonFC | it's pretty much functionally identical to 2.26 though | Sep 05 11:37 |
oiaohm | Remember the explosions about missing features. | Sep 05 11:37 |
DaemonFC | this is all work leading to GNOME 3.0 | Sep 05 11:37 |
oiaohm | Gnome biggest issue is how they are handling how to run applications once. | Sep 05 11:38 |
DaemonFC | I don't think GNOME 3 will be nearly as painful as KDE 4 | Sep 05 11:38 |
oiaohm | Its stupid. | Sep 05 11:38 |
oiaohm | In gnome 3. | Sep 05 11:38 |
DaemonFC | cause by the time they get there, a lot of the work will be done already | Sep 05 11:38 |
oiaohm | Ok process table already tells you if a application si already loaded if you use it right. | Sep 05 11:38 |
oiaohm | Lets not use the process table. | Sep 05 11:38 |
oiaohm | Lets build something nasty using dbus and correctly named .desktop files. | Sep 05 11:39 |
oiaohm | and hope users never rename .desktop files because the complete system will screw up. | Sep 05 11:39 |
oiaohm | That is what they have done DaemonFC | Sep 05 11:39 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: i quoted you on moox here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-ban-on-word/ | Sep 05 11:39 |
oiaohm | At the core of lauching applications is screwed in Gnome 3. | Sep 05 11:40 |
oiaohm | And that is the main task of a mondern day desktop. | Sep 05 11:40 |
oiaohm | Kde 4.x the basics worked. Everything above the basices was trouble. | Sep 05 11:42 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, the reason I looked into that is because they advertised all the "preloaded software" and I took it to mean 30 days of Norton and 60 days of MS Office | Sep 05 11:42 |
oiaohm | Gnome 3 threat is that everythign above the basics work but the basics themselves dont. | Sep 05 11:42 |
DaemonFC | turns out it's a year of Norton and the full version of Office | Sep 05 11:42 |
schestowitz | Ruby on Rails flaw is found and fixed < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532385/ruby-rails-flaw-fixed > | Sep 05 11:43 |
DaemonFC | they have to be getting desperate to hold onto customers if they're giving out full versions | Sep 05 11:43 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: they have done that for years] | Sep 05 11:43 |
schestowitz | 30-day trial of office | Sep 05 11:43 |
schestowitz | ooxml trap | Sep 05 11:43 |
schestowitz | Can't escape the trial | Sep 05 11:43 |
schestowitz | Data loss | Sep 05 11:43 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I've never seen them giving away the full thing though | Sep 05 11:43 |
DaemonFC | it's usually the typical 30 day crippleware | Sep 05 11:44 |
schestowitz | Free cocaine\ | Sep 05 11:44 |
oiaohm | Not 100 percent new DaemonFC | Sep 05 11:44 |
DaemonFC | start using it now, pay us $200 when it time bombs | Sep 05 11:44 |
oiaohm | Remember there is only a year left on 2007. | Sep 05 11:44 |
DaemonFC | it's why they set the Windows 7 RC to expire in March when the RTM is out in October | Sep 05 11:45 |
oiaohm | Before MS releases office 2010 | Sep 05 11:45 |
DaemonFC | they don't want you to think "What good is it if it only works for a couple months?" | Sep 05 11:45 |
oiaohm | Because they wants you to down load the next RC. | Sep 05 11:45 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, yeah, but it takes time for the new version to spread | Sep 05 11:45 |
DaemonFC | so you may get 2-3 years off of 2007 | Sep 05 11:45 |
oiaohm | Office 95 was also given away cheap before the release of Office 97 | Sep 05 11:46 |
oiaohm | It is a sign of harder competition in the market. | Sep 05 11:46 |
schestowitz | Does No One Remember That Google Tried And Failed To 'Rent' Videos Online In The Past? http://techdirt.com/articles/20090903/0340246095.shtml | Sep 05 11:47 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, online video rental schemes have always gone bankrupt in the end | Sep 05 11:48 |
DaemonFC | people rent a video or two and then the DRM screws up and they can't play the movie after hours of downloading | Sep 05 11:48 |
DaemonFC | and they can't get their money back | Sep 05 11:49 |
DaemonFC | the end | Sep 05 11:49 |
DaemonFC | if the movie studios would just give you a DVD ISO image for $10, with no strings attached, they'd have much better success | Sep 05 11:50 |
oiaohm | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17736-codebreaking-quantum-algorithm-run-on-a-silicon-chip.html << hmm | Sep 05 11:50 |
DaemonFC | they still cling onto the pipe dream that DRM is uncrackable or that sending out thousands of crippled copies will protect the movie when they ship hundreds of thousands of DVDs which can be ripped in minutes | Sep 05 11:50 |
DaemonFC | it's why iTunes DRM didn't save them from one unauthorized download | Sep 05 11:51 |
oiaohm | Water marking has proven far more effective than DRM. | Sep 05 11:52 |
DaemonFC | DRM promoted unauthorized downloading, not just because the unauthorized download is free, but because the authorized download doesn't work | Sep 05 11:52 |
oiaohm | Since it makes tracing back to buyer who is putting stuff online illegally simpler. | Sep 05 11:52 |
DaemonFC | people don't see it as $10 for the legal copy, they see it as $10 that they may as well light on fire | Sep 05 11:53 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, What I don't understand is why Ubuntu is using the default GNOME layout | Sep 05 11:56 |
DaemonFC | that layout is bizarre and totally alien to former Windows users | Sep 05 11:56 |
DaemonFC | I've always deleted the top panel and used gnome-main-menu like Suse does | Sep 05 11:57 |
oiaohm | Yet highly frendly to past mac users DaemonFC | Sep 05 11:57 |
oiaohm | Lets just say Ubuntu has a few too many mac people. | Sep 05 11:57 |
DaemonFC | yeah, but how many of those are there? | Sep 05 11:57 |
oiaohm | Go the a Linux conf some time and play id the laptops. | Sep 05 11:58 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090904/1203456111.shtml "You can almost forgive foreign reporters for not knowing that The Onion is satire, but it just reinforces how little fact checking the supposedly "professional" press does anywhere around the world." | Sep 05 11:58 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Sep 05 11:58 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, They did at least change a lot of the ubuntu-desktop's depends to recommends | Sep 05 11:59 |
DaemonFC | so you can get rid of crap you don't want without taking out the metapackage | Sep 05 11:59 |
oiaohm | Mono downgraded to recommends please. | Sep 05 12:00 |
DaemonFC | the way they did have it set up was that if you removed practically anything that came on the LiveCD, you took out the metapackage too | Sep 05 12:00 |
DaemonFC | Mono is a recommends | Sep 05 12:00 |
oiaohm | pulseaudio ? | Sep 05 12:00 |
DaemonFC | I removed it without disrupting ubuntu-desktop | Sep 05 12:00 |
DaemonFC | I'll check | Sep 05 12:00 |
oiaohm | Those two are the two biggest pests. | Sep 05 12:01 |
DaemonFC | Gnote is in there too now | Sep 05 12:01 |
DaemonFC | so I put that in | Sep 05 12:01 |
DaemonFC | in the repo that is, Tomboy is still the default | Sep 05 12:01 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, Pulseaudio is still a depends | Sep 05 12:01 |
schestowitz | If You're A Musician Wondering Why No One's Giving You Money, Start Here... http://techdirt.com/articles/20090904/0425206108.shtml | Sep 05 12:02 |
oiaohm | Bugger | Sep 05 12:02 |
DaemonFC | I was screaming at them about creating needless hard dependencies | Sep 05 12:03 |
DaemonFC | it makes the system very intimidating to people who want to customize it | Sep 05 12:03 |
DaemonFC | btw, I am on Karmic right now, after doctoring it up quite a bit | Sep 05 12:04 |
DaemonFC | and all the horrible Intrepid and Jaunty bugs are pretty much history | Sep 05 12:04 |
DaemonFC | it still has an odd crash of an app here and there, but it's still jsut an alpha | Sep 05 12:04 |
DaemonFC | it's already better than Jaunty | Sep 05 12:04 |
oiaohm | Have they fixed the package manager that you can search by application name and find something. | Sep 05 12:05 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Sep 05 12:05 |
DaemonFC | it uses an index | Sep 05 12:05 |
schestowitz | Clive Thompson on the New Literacy < http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-09/st_thompson > | Sep 05 12:05 |
oiaohm | Use to only use the description index. | Sep 05 12:05 |
oiaohm | Without the name not all applications put there name in the description. | Sep 05 12:05 |
DaemonFC | http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3661/screenshotyc.png | Sep 05 12:10 |
oiaohm | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090904/0425206108.shtml any one else can say E waste. | Sep 05 12:11 |
DaemonFC | Oblivion's framerate has improved in Wine 1.1.29 | Sep 05 12:11 |
DaemonFC | it's stabilized that it, viewing water or fire doesn't kill it now | Sep 05 12:11 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC: lot more to come in that department. | Sep 05 12:12 |
DaemonFC | they're really pressing on with their Direct3d implementation | Sep 05 12:12 |
DaemonFC | *that is | Sep 05 12:12 |
oiaohm | You have to partly thank vmware for some of the improvements. | Sep 05 12:12 |
DaemonFC | the only reason I was toting Vista around anyway was because of SecuROM | Sep 05 12:12 |
DaemonFC | when they put it in the installer, there's not much you can do about it if Wine can't handle it | Sep 05 12:13 |
oiaohm | SecuRom was not that bad to get working. | Sep 05 12:14 |
DaemonFC | I'm one of those people that was dragged around on the Windows ride just because so many applications needed it | Sep 05 12:14 |
oiaohm | Punk buster is still a night mare. | Sep 05 12:14 |
DaemonFC | but with these latest Wine developments, my applications are working in Wine more and more | Sep 05 12:15 |
oiaohm | It due to something DaemonFC | Sep 05 12:15 |
DaemonFC | Crossover is serious about DirectX and games now because they have Crossover Games | Sep 05 12:15 |
oiaohm | http://test.winehq.org/data/ << This DaemonFC | Sep 05 12:15 |
DaemonFC | they used to only care of MS Office and a few other things installed | Sep 05 12:15 |
DaemonFC | *if | Sep 05 12:16 |
oiaohm | Wine is in the process of making a complete windows testing system. | Sep 05 12:16 |
DaemonFC | their failure rate is dropping 2-3% per release | Sep 05 12:17 |
DaemonFC | which is pretty good actually | Sep 05 12:17 |
oiaohm | That started from the release of 1.0 wine. | Sep 05 12:17 |
oiaohm | Ever since the gap to windows has been closing since less regressions are sneeking in. | Sep 05 12:18 |
DaemonFC | as of July 7th, they had a 13.1% failure rate, and as of three days ago, the failure rate was 7.9% | Sep 05 12:19 |
DaemonFC | nearly cut in half in less than 2 months | Sep 05 12:19 |
oiaohm | It goes up and down a bit as well. | Sep 05 12:19 |
oiaohm | So + or -4 when reading the percentage. | Sep 05 12:19 |
DaemonFC | I always perk up a bit when there's a new Wine release out and it has a ton of DirectX patches | Sep 05 12:20 |
oiaohm | 166 warnings are still coming out the code. | Sep 05 12:20 |
DaemonFC | I keep refreshing the repositories every few hours til there's a package out :) | Sep 05 12:20 |
oiaohm | Remember warnings are only part stubs. | Sep 05 12:21 |
oiaohm | Its also nice to show people who say MS has a stable abi the test by wine. | Sep 05 12:21 |
DaemonFC | well, it looks like they're failing Windows 7 tests right and left | Sep 05 12:21 |
DaemonFC | but they have Vista and XP more or less under control | Sep 05 12:21 |
oiaohm | No | Sep 05 12:22 |
oiaohm | That is the wine bench system running on Vista XP and Windows 7 | Sep 05 12:22 |
DaemonFC | oh | Sep 05 12:22 |
oiaohm | Its a cross compare to windows. | Sep 05 12:22 |
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trmanco | dang | Sep 05 12:23 |
trmanco | lost my op :| | Sep 05 12:23 |
oiaohm | Windows 7 looks nastly glitchy by wine bench DaemonFC | Sep 05 12:23 |
DaemonFC | so this means what? | Sep 05 12:26 |
DaemonFC | Windows 7 itself is hackish? | Sep 05 12:26 |
DaemonFC | their test suite is bad? | Sep 05 12:26 |
DaemonFC | both? | Sep 05 12:26 |
oiaohm | Bit of both. | Sep 05 12:26 |
oiaohm | Basically the XP emulation in Windows 7 is going to be required to run older applications. | Sep 05 12:27 |
DaemonFC | I ran a bunch of old apps under Windows 7 | Sep 05 12:27 |
DaemonFC | the compatibility shims are good enough most of the time | Sep 05 12:27 |
oiaohm | There are going to be areas where they are not. | Sep 05 12:27 |
oiaohm | Those platform tests they do test the shims as well. | Sep 05 12:28 |
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schestowitz | http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/09/05/about-european-commission-in-depth-investigation-into-oracle-sun-merger/ Seems like another fool who does not know that mysql runs the Web | Sep 05 12:29 |
schestowitz | Propagating FUD and not helping with the Commission. Meh. | Sep 05 12:29 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, I have a stack of Windows software dating back about 16 years or so | Sep 05 12:31 |
DaemonFC | and a stack of DOS software dating back over 20 years | Sep 05 12:32 |
DaemonFC | so I've thrown some curveballs to see exactly what runs and what doesn't | Sep 05 12:32 |
DaemonFC | I think businesses have more to be afraid of than consumers this time | Sep 05 12:32 |
oiaohm | So far you must have missed hitting the major changed points. | Sep 05 12:32 |
DaemonFC | well, Windows 64-bit has no DOS or Windows 3.x compatibility | Sep 05 12:33 |
oiaohm | That is something the wine bench system is handy for. | Sep 05 12:33 |
DaemonFC | so I could only go as far back as 95/NT4 | Sep 05 12:33 |
DaemonFC | the DOS stuff all runs on DOSbox | Sep 05 12:33 |
oiaohm | Lot of times you can basically scan exe's looking for particular functions. | Sep 05 12:33 |
oiaohm | That the wine bench tells you have changed. | Sep 05 12:34 |
oiaohm | So know in advance what programs might stuff up big time. | Sep 05 12:34 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, right at the moment I'm preparing a war chest of anti-malware tools | Sep 05 12:35 |
DaemonFC | I have to work on my aunt's laptop, and my cousin's laptop today | Sep 05 12:35 |
DaemonFC | I've hunkering down expecting some next level shit | Sep 05 12:35 |
DaemonFC | they have Limewire and all kinds of stuff on there | Sep 05 12:35 |
DaemonFC | they even still use AOL :P | Sep 05 12:35 |
oiaohm | I have had some that antimalware tools dont' help. | Sep 05 12:35 |
oiaohm | Bot infected. | Sep 05 12:35 |
DaemonFC | we're all related to someone like that I'm sure | Sep 05 12:35 |
oiaohm | AI bot of all things. | Sep 05 12:36 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, I've got four antivirus CD images to hit them with | Sep 05 12:36 |
oiaohm | If it detects you it nukes the machine. | Sep 05 12:36 |
DaemonFC | then I can get in and repair what's left with minimal resistance B-) | Sep 05 12:36 |
DaemonFC | surgical strike followed by mopping up pockets of insurgency | Sep 05 12:37 |
DaemonFC | you might say | Sep 05 12:37 |
oiaohm | Basically back up important data first. | Sep 05 12:37 |
DaemonFC | meh, they can't stop me if Windows is not running | Sep 05 12:37 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 05 12:37 |
oiaohm | One I hit recently was in the windows filesystem drivers was it trap. | Sep 05 12:37 |
schestowitz | But Windows is so intuitive and easy people don't need family and geeks fixing their computer, no? :-p | Sep 05 12:37 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I'm also preparing to back up whatever I can and format | Sep 05 12:37 |
DaemonFC | hope it doesn't come to that, but it may | Sep 05 12:38 |
oiaohm | If the other bits were removed it mill grade cleared the harddrive. | Sep 05 12:38 |
oiaohm | In a transparent way. | Sep 05 12:38 |
oiaohm | Quite impressive really. | Sep 05 12:38 |
oiaohm | Windows appeared quite fine for a while. | Sep 05 12:38 |
oiaohm | Other than the fact it was no longer on the harddrive. | Sep 05 12:39 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, trying to educate them does no good, I clear all the shit off of it and 6 months later, it's AOL, Limewire, and newer malware | Sep 05 12:39 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 05 12:39 |
oiaohm | Basically back up first. | Sep 05 12:39 |
DaemonFC | my aunt's workplace won't even allow you on their network without Windows | Sep 05 12:39 |
oiaohm | Then try to clean is the method you have to use. | Sep 05 12:39 |
DaemonFC | and they tell you that you *must* run an approved antivirus | Sep 05 12:39 |
DaemonFC | which they're paying for | Sep 05 12:39 |
DaemonFC | Norton, ick | Sep 05 12:39 |
oiaohm | Nortons comes for linux. | Sep 05 12:40 |
DaemonFC | rather, I'm paying for | Sep 05 12:40 |
DaemonFC | that's a state prison | Sep 05 12:40 |
DaemonFC | they're using tax money to buy Windows and antivirus subscriptions | Sep 05 12:40 |
schestowitz | US jobless rate climbs again in August http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/us_jobs_report_sep09/ | Sep 05 12:40 |
schestowitz | And they said 'recession' was over.... fuh...... | Sep 05 12:40 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, No matter how deep the shit gets, they never run out of discretionary funds to tear up and repave perfectly good streets | Sep 05 12:41 |
DaemonFC | or to buy copies of Windows, MS Office, and Norton antivirus | Sep 05 12:41 |
DaemonFC | they just cut off important social services and raise utility prices | Sep 05 12:41 |
DaemonFC | no price is too high when I'm buying you know | Sep 05 12:42 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 05 12:42 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, Someone with some common sense apparently manages the IT at my brother's high school | Sep 05 12:43 |
DaemonFC | I was poking around with one of the computers in his classroom and noticed they all run Red Hat Enterprise Desktop | Sep 05 12:43 |
DaemonFC | yet the same town government uses Windows XP at the library | Sep 05 12:43 |
schestowitz | yeah | Sep 05 12:43 |
schestowitz | same here | Sep 05 12:43 |
schestowitz | red hat | Sep 05 12:43 |
oiaohm | Linux is slowly bleeding into schools even here. | Sep 05 12:44 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I went to print something out from a Flash website and found that they had the XP systems so locked down I couldn't even install Flash | Sep 05 12:44 |
oiaohm | Mostly because it simple to keep clean of crap and stop students adding applications. | Sep 05 12:44 |
DaemonFC | so I ended up driving to the next town over to use their library and a Fedora workstation | Sep 05 12:44 |
schestowitz | usually dual boot | Sep 05 12:45 |
oiaohm | I have not found a Locked down XP I could not run my own applications on. | Sep 05 12:45 |
DaemonFC | I could do basically anything I wanted on the Fedora system | Sep 05 12:45 |
DaemonFC | disposable account on a 60 minute timer | Sep 05 12:45 |
DaemonFC | I even used Pidgin to instant message people while I was doing my research | Sep 05 12:45 |
DaemonFC | but on the XP systems at the library here I can't even install a damned plugin | Sep 05 12:45 |
oiaohm | Most likely installing and running thrid party applications would have been locked out DaemonFC | Sep 05 12:45 |
oiaohm | What Linux can do without upsetting everything. | Sep 05 12:46 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, the Fedora system let me do anything a normal user is allowed to | Sep 05 12:46 |
DaemonFC | the XP one was locked down so tight it was worthless | Sep 05 12:46 |
oiaohm | So the did tight up the home folder. | Sep 05 12:46 |
oiaohm | Ie no exec flag and selinux enforncing no exe. | Sep 05 12:47 |
oiaohm | So you could not introduce malware. | Sep 05 12:47 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, The Fedora system creates a disposable user account, and sets a 60 minute timer | Sep 05 12:47 |
DaemonFC | when you're logged out, it deletes everything | Sep 05 12:47 |
oiaohm | Disposable account is a backup. | Sep 05 12:47 |
oiaohm | Normally Fedora Disposable account normally forbids applciations inside account. | Sep 05 12:48 |
oiaohm | System wide installed fine. | Sep 05 12:48 |
DaemonFC | well it let me use installed applications | Sep 05 12:48 |
oiaohm | Way Linux does it you don't notice you are locked down. | Sep 05 12:48 |
DaemonFC | and Flash was through Swfdec | Sep 05 12:48 |
oiaohm | Those were trusted applications. | Sep 05 12:49 |
oiaohm | Problem with windows its too simple to install extra crap. | Sep 05 12:49 |
DaemonFC | whatever they were I didn't feel handcuffed like I did on the XP system at our library | Sep 05 12:49 |
oiaohm | Due to the way its permission system is setup and stupid things like flash running as system. | Sep 05 12:49 |
DaemonFC | so yeah, I'm all for Linux on public terminals | Sep 05 12:49 |
oiaohm | Now why in you right mind does flash ever need to run as the highest user on the system. | Sep 05 12:50 |
DaemonFC | cause Windows is useless there anyway and they're spending my money to pay for it | Sep 05 12:50 |
oiaohm | Windows secuirty is useless by default. | Sep 05 12:50 |
oiaohm | Once you cut away everything that is wrong you have basically nothing. | Sep 05 12:50 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, by the time they lock down Windows to where it can't be pwned with malware | Sep 05 12:50 |
DaemonFC | YOU can't do anything with it either :P | Sep 05 12:51 |
DaemonFC | it's unreasonable | Sep 05 12:51 |
oiaohm | Compared to Linux where most things follow good secuirty design fully locked down is still almost fully functional. | Sep 05 12:51 |
oiaohm | Most of the missing functionally people don't normally notice. | Sep 05 12:51 |
oiaohm | Like Ok I want to run a script to do this quick. Bugger its a public terminal it forbin. | Sep 05 12:51 |
MinceR | "windows security" is a contradiction in terms. :> | Sep 05 12:51 |
DaemonFC | when I re-image the drives on my aunt's and cousin's systems, I'm going to use the security policy editor to blacklist AOL and Limewire | Sep 05 12:52 |
DaemonFC | hide Internet Explorer | Sep 05 12:52 |
DaemonFC | and put a copy of Firefox there | Sep 05 12:52 |
DaemonFC | if they don't figure that one out I doubt there will be another incident | Sep 05 12:52 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 05 12:52 |
oiaohm | Will not stop them. | Sep 05 12:52 |
oiaohm | They will just download another infected p2p like bear share. | Sep 05 12:53 |
DaemonFC | I could load up the hosts file to point to all those p2p sites as 127.0.0.1 | Sep 05 12:54 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 05 12:54 |
oiaohm | Just hope they don't find some of the intergrated firefox tor tools. | Sep 05 12:54 |
DaemonFC | maybe I'll just tell them that if they hose it with malware through IE, AOL, or p2p apps again, I refuse to deal with it | Sep 05 12:55 |
DaemonFC | this is getting old | Sep 05 12:55 |
oiaohm | Only way that works DaemonFC | Sep 05 12:55 |
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oiaohm | More like next time I will bill you. | Sep 05 12:55 |
oiaohm | and when next times come you make it the machine or the bill. | Sep 05 12:55 |
DaemonFC | well, they need to worry about their credt cards getting stolen | Sep 05 12:56 |
DaemonFC | I know they shop online and I know I've removed keyloggers before | Sep 05 12:56 |
DaemonFC | wouldn't surprise me if a thief cleans them out one of these days cause of that | Sep 05 12:56 |
oiaohm | Have you explained that to them. | Sep 05 12:56 |
DaemonFC | *credit | Sep 05 12:56 |
DaemonFC | I've warned them | Sep 05 12:56 |
DaemonFC | I don't think they got the message | Sep 05 12:56 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, well, so far I'm liking Karmic, it has some rough edges, but Jaunty was just a catastrophe | Sep 05 12:58 |
DaemonFC | I had to build my own kernel for Jaunty just because theirs was so full of bugs | Sep 05 12:58 |
DaemonFC | now if they don't go and do something to ruin Karmic at the last second, it should be alright | Sep 05 12:58 |
oiaohm | Hopefully they will fix gnome 3 before Karmic release. | Sep 05 12:59 |
oiaohm | There is only 6 key bugs in it design. | Sep 05 12:59 |
DaemonFC | GNOME 3 should appear in Ubuntu 10.10 | Sep 05 12:59 |
DaemonFC | right? | Sep 05 13:00 |
oiaohm | Problem is they are key. | Sep 05 13:00 |
oiaohm | There will be a lot of change between now and Ubuntu 10.10 | Sep 05 13:00 |
DaemonFC | they got me hooked on Ubuntu in 2004 when they were really just an easy way to install Debian | Sep 05 13:00 |
DaemonFC | since then they've been hit or miss | Sep 05 13:01 |
oiaohm | All the Linux world has been like that. | Sep 05 13:01 |
oiaohm | Major clean up of code base has been under way. | Sep 05 13:01 |
oiaohm | Doing that is not without its pain. | Sep 05 13:01 |
DaemonFC | if I had to compare Ubuntu Jaunty to something I'd say it was like Linux Vista | Sep 05 13:01 |
DaemonFC | just due to all the major conflicts with everything I own | Sep 05 13:02 |
oiaohm | Vista I could compare to Fedora core 5 | Sep 05 13:02 |
oiaohm | ldap nop Fedora core 5 it was like playing loto. | Sep 05 13:02 |
oiaohm | X11 maybe it would load. | Sep 05 13:02 |
DaemonFC | Fedora has gotten far more friendly than it used to be | Sep 05 13:03 |
DaemonFC | but pretty much all of them have | Sep 05 13:03 |
oiaohm | After many hours of head bashing you work out the complete thing had been build with a defective complier. | Sep 05 13:03 |
oiaohm | Making the complete package base a game of loto. | Sep 05 13:03 |
DaemonFC | a lot of that is just Linux and a lot of other packages maturing, the rest is things like LiveCDs taking off | Sep 05 13:03 |
oiaohm | By Ubuntu 10.10 the real-time tree should be merged. | Sep 05 13:04 |
DaemonFC | I had Knoppix as my installed system for quite some time before Ubuntu | Sep 05 13:04 |
DaemonFC | even though you were discouraged from doing it | Sep 05 13:04 |
oiaohm | Multi video card support could be in Karmic. | Sep 05 13:05 |
oiaohm | Multi vga video card support. | Sep 05 13:05 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, a lot of it already is | Sep 05 13:05 |
oiaohm | If they update Karmic X11. | Sep 05 13:05 |
oiaohm | Better memory management. | Sep 05 13:05 |
DaemonFC | over the last 10 kernel releases, applying the real time patches has had less and less effect | Sep 05 13:05 |
oiaohm | Hopefully lto gcc. | Sep 05 13:05 |
DaemonFC | on 2.6.31, it hardly makes a difference | Sep 05 13:05 |
DaemonFC | but on 2.6.20, it was night and day | Sep 05 13:06 |
DaemonFC | it's cause more and more of that stuff is making its way into the kernel even without those settings specified | Sep 05 13:06 |
oiaohm | You would notice the audio play back difference as more and more of the real-time tree merged. | Sep 05 13:06 |
oiaohm | More it merged less breakups there are. | Sep 05 13:07 |
oiaohm | cuse support by the time ubuntu 10.10 comes out we might have a stack of different closed source drivers for Linux. | Sep 05 13:07 |
DaemonFC | a closed source driver is preferable to hardware that won't work at all | Sep 05 13:10 |
oiaohm | Linux kernel is getting more hybred micro kernel monolithic. | Sep 05 13:12 |
oiaohm | Both kinds of drivers usable. | Sep 05 13:12 |
schestowitz | Microsoft laying off 27 employees in Redmond and Bellevue http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2009801373_microsoftlayingoff27employeesinredmondandbellevue.html?syndication=rss | Sep 05 13:14 |
schestowitz | "Update 2:59 p.m.: Microsoft spokesman Lou Gellos saidthe company is making cuts across the country, but he did not elaborate on how many more jobs in the U.S. were affected." | Sep 05 13:15 |
schestowitz | Axeman cometh: Microsoft lays off 27 staff v | Sep 05 13:15 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/microsoft_27_redmond_bellevue_layoffs/ | Sep 05 13:15 |
schestowitz | Faux Facebook 'friend' takes US woman for $4,000 < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/facebook_friend_in_peril_scam/ > | Sep 05 13:17 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, a woman my mom works with was fired over posting something on Facebook | Sep 05 13:17 |
DaemonFC | I really can't go into specifics because of obvious reasons, but I would have given the woman a write up for it at the very most | Sep 05 13:18 |
DaemonFC | you have to watch out with those sites | Sep 05 13:18 |
oiaohm | How long MS can keep on making cuts for. | Sep 05 13:19 |
oiaohm | Sooner or latter they have to run out of staff | Sep 05 13:19 |
DaemonFC | it said they still have 92,000 left worldwide | Sep 05 13:19 |
oiaohm | Now that would be a fun counter | Sep 05 13:19 |
DaemonFC | it also doesn't say how many "contractors" they have | Sep 05 13:19 |
DaemonFC | they like to fire employees and get "contractors" to stiff them on their health insurance and other benefits | Sep 05 13:20 |
DaemonFC | wouldn't surprise me if those 27 employees are being fired to make room for 27 'contract temps" | Sep 05 13:21 |
oiaohm | Does not pay long term. | Sep 05 13:22 |
oiaohm | Contractors are not the best secret keepers. | Sep 05 13:22 |
DaemonFC | it is if you give them tidbits of unimportant work | Sep 05 13:23 |
DaemonFC | I think there are very few individuals who have seen or even had access to anything close to all of the Windows source code | Sep 05 13:24 |
DaemonFC | as long as each team is only given what they need to work with, the secret stays | Sep 05 13:24 |
oiaohm | The problem here there is less and less secret about windows. | Sep 05 13:30 |
oiaohm | Nothing stays secrect for ever. | Sep 05 13:30 |
schestowitz | It doesnt' say which divs those 27 work in | Sep 05 13:30 |
schestowitz | Might be interesting to see where Microsoft cuts down | Sep 05 13:31 |
schestowitz | Not location of facilities | Sep 05 13:31 |
schestowitz | It says too little | Sep 05 13:31 |
schestowitz | Esp. if done in Seattle | Sep 05 13:31 |
schestowitz | But they say there's more | Sep 05 13:31 |
schestowitz | States-wide | Sep 05 13:31 |
DaemonFC | the world is pretty uniformly covered with smart people | Sep 05 13:32 |
DaemonFC | they don't have a patent on that | Sep 05 13:32 |
DaemonFC | it must really put a bug up their ass that Linux is getting more and more developers while they're having to stretch what they have or fire people | Sep 05 13:33 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmm..... look who's on twitter http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/3766695704 | Sep 05 13:34 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/kdawson | Sep 05 13:34 |
oiaohm | Linux is getting more and more full time paid developers DaemonFC | Sep 05 13:35 |
oiaohm | That is what is pissing MS off. | Sep 05 13:35 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm, notify-osd is growing on me | Sep 05 13:36 |
DaemonFC | I don't think that indicator applet is going anywhere | Sep 05 13:36 |
DaemonFC | they should really ditch that thing | Sep 05 13:36 |
tacone | they don't hear from that ear. | Sep 05 13:38 |
tacone | you make them notice they just say you're resisting the change. | Sep 05 13:38 |
tacone | I had a good idea on how to replace that applet but I won't waste my time creating a mockup. | Sep 05 13:39 |
tacone | i don't think they'll listen. | Sep 05 13:39 |
DaemonFC | removing it from the tray and telling Pidgin to use it's tray icon there works | Sep 05 13:40 |
DaemonFC | oh well :P | Sep 05 13:40 |
tacone | yes that works. | Sep 05 13:40 |
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schestowitz | http://www.chinahush.com/2009/08/29/american-youth-vs-chinese-fenqing/ | Sep 05 13:49 |
schestowitz | *LOL* http://netzpolitik.org/2009/ursula-von-der-leyen-plakat-remix-wettbewerb/ | Sep 05 14:01 |
schestowitz | http://netzpolitik.org/2009/die-gewinner-des-schaeuble-plakat-remix-wettbewerb/ | Sep 05 14:02 |
schestowitz | Is Europe in the midst of a baby boom? http://www.euractiv.com/en/socialeurope | Sep 05 14:03 |
DaemonFC | Chris Pirillo-land is having some downtime | Sep 05 14:04 |
DaemonFC | of course it was never a planned outage when you have to push Microsoft for a living | Sep 05 14:04 |
DaemonFC | it's scheduled maintenance | Sep 05 14:04 |
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schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/03/creately-releases-its-simple-diagramming-and-design-tool-to-the-masses/ | Sep 05 14:06 |
schestowitz | scheduled. Heh. | Sep 05 14:06 |
schestowitz | I have a scheduled illness next week on Wednesday | Sep 05 14:07 |
schestowitz | Nothing wrong with my health | Sep 05 14:07 |
schestowitz | Why/ | Sep 05 14:07 |
schestowitz | ? | Sep 05 14:07 |
schestowitz | Because it's scheduled | Sep 05 14:07 |
schestowitz | Just stop counting or stop the stopwatch or whatever if you count downtimes | Sep 05 14:07 |
schestowitz | Because it's "scheduled"... like "sacred" | Sep 05 14:08 |
schestowitz | OpenSUSE has scheduled downtime for one day next week | Sep 05 14:08 |
schestowitz | Something to do with DC power | Sep 05 14:08 |
oiaohm | Scheduled maintenance comes from the Unix world DaemonFC | Sep 05 14:10 |
oiaohm | Were reboots could take hours. | Sep 05 14:10 |
DaemonFC | now the monthly defrag takes hours | Sep 05 14:11 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 05 14:11 |
oiaohm | You don't want to see what the boot and sync time is on a 16000 + core system. | Sep 05 14:11 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Sony says "Thanks but no thanks" to #microsoft Internet Explorer? http://tinyurl.com/lwj9ou #ie #windows #vista #xp #chrome | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Writing an article on emulation of the #Nintendo family of consoles on #Linux #foss #emulation | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently seeding: Linux Mint 7 - Glora http://linuxtracker.org #linux #foss #mint | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Linux users follow @BrokenWindows_ a new cause in highlighting that PC does not mean Microsoft! #windows #vista #xp #linux #foss #microsoft | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another new campaign in favor of Linux/FOSS http://tinyurl.com/nq64gs #linux #windows #xp #foss #microsoft | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Hmm what to do today? Probably help around the house then watch Smackdown later tonight.... | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another "blogger" who seeks to suggest what people who dont want MONO think. http://tinyurl.com/lz336k #microsoft #linux #mono #foss | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Didn't think Gloria shipped with Tomboy.....have to remove that off the installation I am doing a friend... #mono #linux #foss #novell | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder. Act from faith, and failure makes you blame someone and push harder. | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Doing a little clearout, 'found' an HP e-Vectra PIII/800MHz/256MB/10G running Ubuntu Edgy. Last booted 3 years ago. Works perfectly :) | Sep 05 14:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bom dia! | Sep 05 14:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] German boffins invent steel Velcro http://ping.fm/Iqfkr | Sep 05 14:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft is quietly laying off more staff http://ping.fm/7oYqD http://ping.fm/eUxhc | Sep 05 14:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] It's times like these (updating an old machine from edgy to jaunty) that I love my Virgin Media 20Mb/s broadband \o/ 2420KB/s | Sep 05 14:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Global #coral #reefs are being destroyed by man-made climate change. http://ping.fm/hGx3S | Sep 05 14:14 | |
schestowitz | The US freezes on climate change < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/02/senate-climate-bill-delayed-copenhagen > | Sep 05 14:14 |
schestowitz | A Casualty of the Technology Revolution: ‘Locational Privacy’ < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/opinion/01tue4.html?_r=3&scp=2&sq=Adam%20Cohen&st=cse > | Sep 05 14:14 |
schestowitz | I hadn't notices that twitfolk was down | Sep 05 14:14 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/facebook-post-results-in-police-officer-resignation/?cs=35561 (Facebook Post Results in Police Officer Resignation) | Sep 05 14:15 |
DaemonFC | over posting that he thought he should be allowed to arrest people for being stupid? | Sep 05 14:20 |
DaemonFC | that's pretty lame | Sep 05 14:20 |
oiaohm | Interesting one going on with debian aptitude is getting a graphical front end and they are working on a qt package manager as well. | Sep 05 14:20 |
DaemonFC | you deal with stupid people every day | Sep 05 14:20 |
oiaohm | Mostly because they don't like the path package kit is going. | Sep 05 14:20 |
DaemonFC | he finally makes an off the cuff remark about it and all of a sudden he has to resign? | Sep 05 14:20 |
schestowitz | Here is a nice new article about a success story for GNU/Linux at law firms. http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltechnology/pubArticleLT.jsp?id=1202433585325&Commentary_Linux_at_Law | Sep 05 14:34 |
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Will | schestowitz : another study done one game console reliability, this time from a company that handles warranties: | Sep 05 14:48 |
Will | http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/xbox360-ps3-wii-reliability-08-2009/ | Sep 05 14:48 |
Will | This one has a much larger sample size that the previous "360 54% failure rate" one. | Sep 05 14:51 |
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Will | Their numbers are a little kinder to the 360 than the previous study, but the 360 still leads the pack in hardware problems by a comfortable margin. | Sep 05 14:52 |
Will | Proving once again that Microsoft is the world's leading innovator of fail. ;> | Sep 05 14:53 |
ThistleWeb | MS do lead the table in some areas on genuine merit, they're not the tables they want to lead though. They have an almost monopoly on malware compatibility | Sep 05 14:53 |
Will | ThistleWeb: true. Wine probably still has a lot of catchup to do in that area. | Sep 05 14:55 |
ThistleWeb | I do see more and more frequent reports about exploits in flash being an avenue for malware writers, which affects all of us | Sep 05 14:56 |
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ThistleWeb | which only doubles the risk if you run flash on windows | Sep 05 14:56 |
Will | I'm still waiting on an open standard that replaces flash. Especially since Adobe basically phones it in on their Mac and Linux ports. | Sep 05 14:57 |
Will | I saw the Best Buy stuff. Very interesting. Just how scared is MS, anyway? | Sep 05 14:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @cenourinha: Vote for NOBODY! http://is.gd/2V4PW | Sep 05 15:00 | |
Will | I mean, here is MS training store employees to talk customers into not buying something that Best Buy doesn't even offer. | Sep 05 15:00 |
Eruaran | Its perception management | Sep 05 15:01 |
Will | Eruaran: yeah, well, it's working, though maybe not always as MS intended. I showed the training session to a few people that I introduced to Linux. They've been using it for a few months. Enough to see the lies throughout the slides. Opened a few eyes about the way MS does business. | Sep 05 15:03 |
Eruaran | Yes, I think as those pictures spread it will backfire. | Sep 05 15:04 |
twitter1 | burning cash and in debt scared -> Will: I saw the Best Buy stuff. Very interesting. Just how scared is MS, anyway? | Sep 05 15:04 |
twitter1 | firing 10,000 employees and canceling the picnic scared, gotta keep the executive bonuses high. | Sep 05 15:05 |
twitter1 | me too. help me Slashdot it. -> Eruaran: Yes, I think as those pictures spread it will backfire. | Sep 05 15:05 |
twitter1 | http://slashdot.org/submission/1066943/Ms-Anti-Linux-Training-at-Best-Buy | Sep 05 15:06 |
Will | The "upgrades" slide was my favorite. After I show people Linux, one of the things the new users often praise about it is how easy system upgrades are and how they never trash the system like MS upgrades sometimes do. | Sep 05 15:07 |
Will | Man, that brings back a few XP memories: "Please don't let this Windows Update force me to reinstall the OS for the third time this year" | Sep 05 15:08 |
Will | I think I have to reformat a hard drive at least 6 times over 4 years due solely to a Windows Update that mangled the OS. | Sep 05 15:09 |
twitter1 | the Linux at Law story is popular or DDoS'd | Sep 05 15:09 |
Will | s/have/had/ | Sep 05 15:09 |
schestowitz | Will: thanks | Sep 05 15:10 |
schestowitz | I saw some other studies | Sep 05 15:10 |
schestowitz | I think it rests the case | Sep 05 15:10 |
schestowitz | Some day 67% | Sep 05 15:10 |
schestowitz | Some say 30%+ | Sep 05 15:10 |
schestowitz | 2007 ones said the same | Sep 05 15:10 |
Eruaran | One point of interest on those Best Buy pictures was what Microsoft put at the bottom of the screen as their sources | Sep 05 15:10 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is not denying it anymore | Sep 05 15:10 |
Eruaran | "linux.org and Windows Compatability Centre" (pic 3) | Sep 05 15:11 |
schestowitz | Maybe I should make posts today | Sep 05 15:11 |
schestowitz | To wipe off the Novell-apathetic stuff | Sep 05 15:11 |
schestowitz | Microsoft has layoffs | Sep 05 15:11 |
schestowitz | More of an indication that they can't rebound, not even with another Vista (V7) | Sep 05 15:11 |
schestowitz | Eruaran: linux.org is WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLL out of date | Sep 05 15:12 |
Eruaran | schestowitz: indeed... Furthermore I could find no connection between linux.org and Microsoft's claims | Sep 05 15:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Preparations for Sams 3rd b'day party tomorrow. Bouncy castle and giant jenga arriving later. I won't know which to play with/on first! | Sep 05 15:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Of course I mean - _Sam_ won't know which to play with/on first of course .. ;) | Sep 05 15:13 | |
Eruaran | Here in Australia, you can wind up in court for that sort of thing. | Sep 05 15:13 |
Eruaran | Australian Four Corners dissappoints | Sep 05 15:14 |
Eruaran | Too gutless to go after Microsoft | Sep 05 15:14 |
schestowitz | Save time on downloads with delta RPMs in Fedora 11 < http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=904 > | Sep 05 15:18 |
ThistleWeb | are the delta RPMs the ones that work out which parts have changed and only download those parts, instead of the whole thing? | Sep 05 15:18 |
schestowitz | They should have used kernel.org as a refrence | Sep 05 15:18 |
schestowitz | Not linux.org | Sep 05 15:19 |
schestowitz | It's old.. might as well use linsuxxxx.org as ref | Sep 05 15:19 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes | Sep 05 15:19 |
twitter1 | ugh. Seek out and report dissidents, please -> This summer 12 American youth came to China. One of their study-aboard missions was to research on China’s “Fenqing” | Sep 05 15:19 |
ThistleWeb | thought so, I was impressed with that concept when I heard about it, I can see every distro adapting that tech into their stuff eventually | Sep 05 15:20 |
ThistleWeb | as usual Fedora bringing more stuff to the table | Sep 05 15:20 |
schestowitz | Should import some of these down to Aussie... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10320742-62.html | Sep 05 15:21 |
schestowitz | Fedora=Red Hat programmer+others | Sep 05 15:22 |
schestowitz | So it's basically non-kernel Red Hat engs | Sep 05 15:22 |
schestowitz | Set up your new Ubuntu Server as a Samba Server < http://www.ghacks.net/2009/09/04/set-up-your-new-ubuntu-server-as-a-samba-server/ > | Sep 05 15:24 |
Will | schestowitz: one thing about the SquareTrade study: They admit a possibilty that there might be some underreporting of 360 failures, since many people probably work through Microsoft's RROD warranty and bypass reporting to SquareTrade. | Sep 05 15:24 |
schestowitz | Will: it's new from last week AFAIK | Sep 05 15:27 |
schestowitz | Monday-ish | Sep 05 15:27 |
schestowitz | Skype Security and Spam Updates http://blogs.eweek.com/signaling_it/content001/security/skype_security_and_spam_updates.html | Sep 05 15:30 |
twitter1 | Why do people use Samba? | Sep 05 15:30 |
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twitter1 | Hmph. "Skype" problems are really just Windows problems. That figures. | Sep 05 15:33 |
ThistleWeb | if you need a shared server which has to serve windows and linux boxes, samba seems by far the best solution | Sep 05 15:34 |
schestowitz | NASA orbiter snaps Apollo 12 landing site < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/apollo_12_site/ > | Sep 05 15:34 |
twitter1 | I got a single burst of spam invites shortly after my wife started talking to Windows using relatives. Nothing more happened. | Sep 05 15:34 |
twitter1 | But M$ has a slog against Skype, so you can expect more "security" stories about it. | Sep 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | Communication Server | Sep 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | With the implosion of Nortel, that too may pass | Sep 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | Compromised Computers Host an Average of 3 Malware Families http://securitywatch.eweek.com/online_malware/compromised_computers_play_host_an_average_of_3_malware_families.html | Sep 05 15:36 |
schestowitz | What is co.th? | Sep 05 15:37 |
schestowitz | th suffix.. | Sep 05 15:38 |
ThistleWeb | thailand? | Sep 05 15:38 |
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schestowitz | Oh yeah | Sep 05 15:38 |
ThistleWeb | oh .co.th | Sep 05 15:38 |
schestowitz | commercial thailand I guess | Sep 05 15:39 |
ThistleWeb | well, it may be | Sep 05 15:39 |
ThistleWeb | cant think of any other country with th | Sep 05 15:40 |
schestowitz | I have a table in my bookm arks | Sep 05 15:42 |
schestowitz | But it's out of date (2002) | Sep 05 15:42 |
schestowitz | http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/domains.html | Sep 05 15:43 |
Will | just checked. th = thailand | Sep 05 15:43 |
ThistleWeb | I know some states have their own domains | Sep 05 15:43 |
ThistleWeb | thats what made me second guess thailand | Sep 05 15:43 |
ThistleWeb | ah well, I guessed right lol | Sep 05 15:43 |
Will | http://www.web-l.com/country-codes/ | Sep 05 15:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/get_by_category/6/220 | Sep 05 15:43 |
schestowitz | Weird... missing | Sep 05 15:43 |
schestowitz | Thanks, Will | Sep 05 15:44 |
schestowitz | Oracle, MySQL Not Competitors, Says Ingres CEO < http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/database/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219501280 > | Sep 05 15:45 |
schestowitz | Now, isn't that an odd claim... | Sep 05 15:45 |
schestowitz | http://www.casualgaming.biz/news/29147/Hardkernal-unveils-Adroid-open-source-handheld "A new open source Android gaming device has emerged, called the Odroid. Created by Hardkernal, the system is built around the same core technology that the iPhone 3GS uses." | Sep 05 15:47 |
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twitter1 | The Skype response to the recent "skype trojan" news is worth reading. http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2009/09/a_little_bit_about_trojanpesky.html | Sep 05 15:54 |
twitter1 | Yes, it really was all a windows problem. | Sep 05 15:54 |
twitter1 | not that you can trust non free software to protect your privacy, but blaming them for W32 issues is not fair. | Sep 05 15:54 |
twitter1 | http://blogs.eweek.com/signaling_it/content001/security/skype_security_and_spam_updates.html#comments | Sep 05 15:55 |
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Will | what's the current situation with skype and linux? I've had problems getting it work with the sound system, but then I am running an older distro. | Sep 05 16:02 |
Will | I'll probably upgrade this fall. Might as well get ext4 and grub2 in play. | Sep 05 16:03 |
twitter1 | I've had the same problem with sound on my EEE PC and Lenny. | Sep 05 16:03 |
twitter1 | the 2.1 beta, which boasts better ALSA, did not fix this. | Sep 05 16:04 |
twitter1 | an external microphone might. | Sep 05 16:04 |
schestowitz | Part of a new FUD theme: The computer helper: The downside of free < http://eyugoslavia.com/featured/04/the-computer-helper-the-downside-of-free-2210912/ > | Sep 05 16:04 |
twitter1 | putting 2.0 Skype on my 701 SD also bombed power management. | Sep 05 16:04 |
schestowitz | Last week it was Microsoft and Enderle emitting such FUD | Sep 05 16:04 |
schestowitz | Free=danbgerous | Sep 05 16:04 |
twitter1 | That is an old theme. See begware and other crap on Windows. | Sep 05 16:05 |
twitter1 | The problems the above author reports are all Windows problems. | Sep 05 16:07 |
twitter1 | Skype worked out of the box on the EEE PC, but Asus has changed hardware and dragged their feet with GNU compliance, so it is difficult to tell if Asus or Skype are responsible for my problems on Lenny. | Sep 05 16:09 |
twitter1 | Non free software sucks like that. | Sep 05 16:09 |
ThistleWeb | I've had no issues with skype on linux as far as sound is concerned, I've not tried video though | Sep 05 16:09 |
Will | Oh, yeah. So I had a chance to play around with a mac recently. It's certainly shiny. Does its job reliably. But it hides a lot from the user. And if you have to go outside the apps Apple expects you want to run, things can get hairy, relative to Linux anyway. | Sep 05 16:10 |
ThistleWeb | it does have days where it drops the call on a regular basis though, or sounds like a radio going through a tunnel | Sep 05 16:10 |
ThistleWeb | most days it works as you'd expect though | Sep 05 16:10 |
ThistleWeb | I can't figure out the difference in user terms between the static and normla skype in the ubuntu repos | Sep 05 16:13 |
ThistleWeb | one is built from static qt libraries I think | Sep 05 16:13 |
ThistleWeb | but use wise, they both look, seel and act the same to me | Sep 05 16:13 |
ThistleWeb | feel* | Sep 05 16:13 |
Will | schestowitz: it seems like that article is about "freeware" more than "open source." It doesn't really spend much time on opensource, and then still in the context of a non-free OS. | Sep 05 16:15 |
Will | Unless it's just trying to muddle the difference between freeware and opensource. | Sep 05 16:15 |
Will | ThistleWeb: as much as I'd like to bash skype about Linux, and I'm sure they have some responsibility here, it would be good for the Linux sound system changes that have been going on for the past two years to settle down. | Sep 05 16:17 |
twitter1 | my eyugoslavia.com comment is awaiting moderation | Sep 05 16:17 |
twitter1 | -> Your comment is awaiting moderation. The “free” software problems you describe are mostly Windows problems. Trust in your source is key but so is software freedom. GNU/Linux distributions have overcome these problems and are themselves each trusted, independent reviewers of the software they distribute. Every test you can do with non free software can also be done for free software, but h | Sep 05 16:17 |
twitter1 | I wonder if it will ever see the light of day. | Sep 05 16:17 |
ThistleWeb | it is freeware but closed source, so all distros are reliant on the binary skyoe gives them, so yes | Sep 05 16:18 |
Will | I'm not adamantly opposed to closed source on top of Linux when there is a good case for it, but even then, only if the binary provider takes responsibilty to keep up with open source software developments *coughNvidiaPlymouthcough* | Sep 05 16:19 |
twitter1 | Oh please, Will -> it would be good for the Linux sound system changes that have been going on for the past two years to settle down. | Sep 05 16:19 |
Will | (not that I think Nvidia has a good case for it) | Sep 05 16:19 |
twitter1 | free software distributions work very well with Linux sound. | Sep 05 16:20 |
twitter1 | the move from to ALSA was a good one, because the ALSA people brought in a lot of good free software drivers | Sep 05 16:21 |
ThistleWeb | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8236626.stm <<more BBC freeware tips, no mention of Linux at all | Sep 05 16:21 |
Will | twitter1: hey, I don't know. I chilling here with Alsa (which works perfectly, btw), but I keep hearing people say PulseAudio eats babies. Haven't seen that myself, but I'm waiting for it to calm down. | Sep 05 16:21 |
twitter1 | People like DeamonFC say that. | Sep 05 16:21 |
twitter1 | You won't see unstable stuff in reasonable distributions. | Sep 05 16:22 |
ThistleWeb | free apps like skype | Sep 05 16:22 |
schestowitz | THey mix the two types | Sep 05 16:22 |
schestowitz | Throwing FOSS in Freeware category | Sep 05 16:23 |
twitter1 | Windows users make this mistake a lot. | Sep 05 16:23 |
schestowitz | As if FOSS will one day come up with prompt demanding money | Sep 05 16:23 |
Will | twitter1: well, that's why I think part of it might be skype. When free software does make changes and improvements to subsystems, closed binaries sometimes drag their feet in keeping up with the change. | Sep 05 16:23 |
schestowitz | Windows users are cheap (or poor) | Sep 05 16:23 |
schestowitz | So they think free software means cheap | Sep 05 16:23 |
schestowitz | Free research means something else | Sep 05 16:24 |
schestowitz | Eocnomy of sharing | Sep 05 16:24 |
twitter1 | Free software is cheaper than Windows | Sep 05 16:24 |
Will | schestowitz: or they think free software means ... arr!!! | Sep 05 16:24 |
schestowitz | Where people share ideas in cosortia | Sep 05 16:24 |
schestowitz | Now 'trade' ideas with 'IP' deals | Sep 05 16:24 |
twitter1 | there's lots of propaganda that leads to the confusion | Sep 05 16:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me is still loving KDE, does not regret the change :D !kde #kde | Sep 05 16:25 | |
twitter1 | it starts with "commercial quality" | Sep 05 16:25 |
schestowitz | First Sale - Davidson v. Internet Gateway http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009090111072988 | Sep 05 16:25 |
schestowitz | "You won't find it there. Why not instead use and develop Free and Open Source software, where you are free of such things as EULAs? No. Seriously. Why not? If you want freedom, stay away from proprietary software and you've solved all your EULA troubles. GPL code has no EULA." | Sep 05 16:25 |
ThistleWeb | that article does at least mention wordpress | Sep 05 16:25 |
twitter1 | people's misunderstanding of the free software economy is not a matter of cheapness, it's simply ignorance. | Sep 05 16:26 |
ThistleWeb | but it's still mixing stuff wrongly | Sep 05 16:26 |
ThistleWeb | they also "forget" to mention peeps could save money by ditching windows in favour of linux | Sep 05 16:27 |
Will | twitter1: took the words out of my fingers. Windows users don't use Windows because they are cheap. They use it because they don't know any better. | Sep 05 16:27 |
ThistleWeb | although, the peeps who are gonna be reading that article won't have the skills to install an OS | Sep 05 16:27 |
Will | And most people see not having to purchase more boxes of shrinkwrapped applications as a feature, not a bug. | Sep 05 16:27 |
schestowitz | Here are your 'friends', lads. http://www.ciol.com/Developer/Open-Source/Feature/Open-Source-is-our-next-level-Microsoft/3909124501/0/ | Sep 05 16:27 |
schestowitz | These *Are* your friends | Sep 05 16:28 |
schestowitz | Now play nice with them | Sep 05 16:28 |
schestowitz | Share the toys | Sep 05 16:28 |
twitter1 | sometimes their hardware is sabotaged too, but that too is blamed on free software out of ignorance | Sep 05 16:28 |
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Will | speaking of hardware sabotage, did you know Macs won't boot from USB sticks? | Sep 05 16:30 |
schestowitz | They even want to simplify the patent system for you... making those 'innovation incentives' global and make available to you some 'peace of mind distros' like SUSE so that you don't get sued... | Sep 05 16:30 |
schestowitz | Macs do very little | Sep 05 16:30 |
schestowitz | APpliance | Sep 05 16:30 |
schestowitz | Suits their target audience usuall | Sep 05 16:31 |
twitter1 | no, I did not know that about Mac. Do they boot from firewire? | Sep 05 16:31 |
Will | twitter1: didn't try | Sep 05 16:31 |
Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/_faf_IlSZCE/Mozilla-To-Protect-Adobe-Flash-Users | Sep 05 16:31 |
ThistleWeb | is it just me, or does that http://www.ciol.com/Developer/Open-Source/Feature/Open-Source-is-our-next-level-Microsoft/3909124501/0/ link keep refreshing every 10 secs or so? | Sep 05 16:31 |
Will | firewire | Sep 05 16:31 |
ThistleWeb | I wonder if every refresh counts as another hit | Sep 05 16:31 |
ThistleWeb | wouldn't be like MS to try and game the stats eh? lol | Sep 05 16:32 |
twitter1 | the M$ world seems to hate and thwart firewire | Sep 05 16:32 |
twitter1 | but firewire was better all along | Sep 05 16:32 |
schestowitz | The open source feeds are clogged up with noise.......... http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/09/04/backup-your-browser-email-and-im-apps-with-mailbrowserbackup/ | Sep 05 16:32 |
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twitter1 | You can find external optical and hard drives for firewire. I have never seen a firewire "jump drive" | Sep 05 16:32 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: it does | Sep 05 16:32 |
schestowitz | CIOL is a very, very JUNK site | Sep 05 16:32 |
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schestowitz | They also take press release, edit a bit and repost as 'aritcles' | Sep 05 16:33 |
schestowitz | It's a trash site | Sep 05 16:33 |
schestowitz | I had to check twice to see if it was a real interview | Sep 05 16:33 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u see the log of last night ? | Sep 05 16:33 |
schestowitz | TMCNet is also similar | Sep 05 16:33 |
Will | schestowitz: I don't want to badmouth Apple too much about their hardware (excellent) or their software (solid, if a bit constricting compared to FOSS), but I can't help but think that Apple sales would take a quite a hit if more people knew about Linux. | Sep 05 16:33 |
Will | (Apple's attitudes, though, are fair game with me) | Sep 05 16:33 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: auto0-refresh is common in India sites | Sep 05 16:34 |
schestowitz | That's the impression I've been getting anyway | Sep 05 16:34 |
ThistleWeb | k | Sep 05 16:34 |
schestowitz | And it uses metatags | Sep 05 16:34 |
schestowitz | Cause I have JS disabled | Sep 05 16:34 |
schestowitz | It's very annoying | Sep 05 16:34 |
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schestowitz | it's distracting when working with tabs | Sep 05 16:34 |
schestowitz | USB3>Firewire | Sep 05 16:34 |
ThistleWeb | I have noscript too, allowing none of them and it's still refreshing | Sep 05 16:34 |
ThistleWeb | for no reason I can see | Sep 05 16:35 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, I posted it | Sep 05 16:35 |
ThistleWeb | other than adding another hit to the stats | Sep 05 16:35 |
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schestowitz | ThistleWeb: track duration of visit | Sep 05 16:35 |
schestowitz | Under many assumption | Sep 05 16:35 |
schestowitz | Also changing ads | Sep 05 16:35 |
ThistleWeb | maybe | Sep 05 16:35 |
schestowitz | That's why paging is done | Sep 05 16:35 |
schestowitz | I hate paging | Sep 05 16:35 |
schestowitz | Pagination is a design flaw | Sep 05 16:36 |
schestowitz | Emulating limitation of paper | Sep 05 16:36 |
ThistleWeb | I dont see any ads, but plenty of blocked stuff | Sep 05 16:36 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Sep 05 16:36 |
schestowitz | YEah | Sep 05 16:36 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u know that rick_james ? | Sep 05 16:36 |
twitter1 | You can limit what you present in a "web page" like most reasonable sites do. | Sep 05 16:36 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, probably some vandal | Sep 05 16:37 |
schestowitz | n=rickjame@24-107-56-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com | Sep 05 16:37 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : there should a permanent op in here | Sep 05 16:37 |
schestowitz | I forgot to leave aware ops | Sep 05 16:37 |
twitter1 | he's rick james, female dogs! | Sep 05 16:37 |
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schestowitz | bbl | Sep 05 16:38 |
twitter1 | later | Sep 05 16:38 |
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Will | check out this link: | Sep 05 16:57 |
Will | http://www.houseparty.com/splash/windows7usa | Sep 05 16:57 |
Will | when have you ever seen anyone make that kind of facial expression when using Windows? | Sep 05 16:57 |
Will | I've seen that when showing off Compiz before. | Sep 05 16:57 |
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twitter1 | Never. It's an ad. They are not actually using Windows -> Will: when have you ever seen anyone make that kind of facial expression when using Windows? | Sep 05 17:30 |
twitter1 | Knowing M$, they are probably looking at some kind of vile porn. | Sep 05 17:30 |
twitter1 | or a dollar bill. | Sep 05 17:31 |
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twitter1 | bbl | Sep 05 17:32 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Installing Ubuntu 9.10 on a PIII 800MHz \o/ | Sep 05 17:46 | |
_Hicham_ | popey : u here ? | Sep 05 17:47 |
popey | _Hicham_: yes | Sep 05 18:09 |
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*schestowitz listens to http://cdn2.libsyn.com/linuxoutlaws/linuxoutlaws109.ogg?nvb=20090905180636&nva=20090906181636&t=0160c443251a9ce49d643 (linuxoutlaws) | Sep 05 19:08 | |
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_Hicham_ | schestowitz is a known outlaw | Sep 05 19:14 |
schestowitz | Whose law? | Sep 05 19:18 |
schestowitz | Qatar? | Sep 05 19:18 |
schestowitz | :- | Sep 05 19:18 |
schestowitz | :-p | Sep 05 19:18 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's nice how FF 3.5 handles ogg | Sep 05 19:19 |
schestowitz | I don't need a media player | Sep 05 19:19 |
schestowitz | Not even Flash | Sep 05 19:19 |
schestowitz | open in new tab and off it goes streaming | Sep 05 19:19 |
schestowitz | It's a delight | Sep 05 19:19 |
_Hicham_ | did u move to a newer mandriva ? | Sep 05 19:19 |
schestowitz | Not yet | Sep 05 19:19 |
_Hicham_ | or is it just firefox 3.5 binaries from mozilla ? | Sep 05 19:20 |
schestowitz | Wel... | Sep 05 19:20 |
schestowitz | I downloaded it from Mox | Sep 05 19:20 |
schestowitz | *Mozilla | Sep 05 19:20 |
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schestowitz | Mandriva 2008.1 does not use ff3.5 yet, so I needed to get past the updates | Sep 05 19:21 |
schestowitz | Madriva does not ship Flash updates either | Sep 05 19:21 |
_Hicham_ | why not move to a newer mandriva ? | Sep 05 19:22 |
schestowitz | We need Flash assassins | Sep 05 19:22 |
_Hicham_ | are u using it as a server ? | Sep 05 19:22 |
schestowitz | Flash doesn't do ANYTHING particial that Ogg can't do | Sep 05 19:22 |
schestowitz | I don't need flying rectangles | Sep 05 19:22 |
schestowitz | Nobody does | Sep 05 19:22 |
schestowitz | And SVG+JS can achieve that | Sep 05 19:22 |
_Hicham_ | true | Sep 05 19:23 |
schestowitz | If only Mafiasoft supported SVG | Sep 05 19:23 |
schestowitz | Google will force them | Sep 05 19:23 |
schestowitz | SVG Trojan for MSIE | Sep 05 19:23 |
_Hicham_ | they will support it sooner or later | Sep 05 19:23 |
schestowitz | We'll see | Sep 05 19:23 |
schestowitz | timbl put ms in the working group of html5 | Sep 05 19:23 |
_Hicham_ | Dailymotion already started offering ogg based videos | Sep 05 19:23 |
schestowitz | he also told ms off for svg attitude | Sep 05 19:23 |
schestowitz | bn does a lot of ogg | Sep 05 19:24 |
_Hicham_ | http://openvideo.dailymotion.com | Sep 05 19:24 |
schestowitz | People do the anti-IE6 sites | Sep 05 19:24 |
_Hicham_ | that is where u can put safely ur videos | Sep 05 19:24 |
schestowitz | Which is worthy as a cause | Sep 05 19:24 |
schestowitz | BUT | Sep 05 19:24 |
schestowitz | We need SVG sites | Sep 05 19:24 |
schestowitz | Forcing them to support it or lose customers | Sep 05 19:24 |
schestowitz | Ogg has the PlayOgg Web site | Sep 05 19:24 |
_Hicham_ | yes, currently Mozilla is the only one to support svg | Sep 05 19:24 |
schestowitz | Nope | Sep 05 19:25 |
schestowitz | Others do too | Sep 05 19:25 |
schestowitz | IE doesn't | Sep 05 19:25 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg | Sep 05 19:25 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg#Native_support | Sep 05 19:26 |
_Hicham_ | i mean it was the first one | Sep 05 19:26 |
schestowitz | "Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the Web, has been critical of Internet Explorer for its failure to support SVG.[39] All currently supported graphical browsers on Linux systems and the Macintosh have implemented some level of SVG support." | Sep 05 19:26 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: ok | Sep 05 19:26 |
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schestowitz | I think Mutex is still here. See if you spot him. | Sep 05 19:29 |
schestowitz | MSN.ca Launches in Canada http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Microsoft-Canada-Co-1037365.html | Sep 05 19:29 |
_Hicham_ | we finally have msn video and audio via aMsn | Sep 05 19:30 |
_Hicham_ | do u use msn schestowitz ? | Sep 05 19:30 |
schestowitz | I used amsn in 2003 (briefly) | Sep 05 19:30 |
schestowitz | It was hard to get in touch with stubborn users of Windows from Linux otherwise | Sep 05 19:31 |
cubezzz | boo :) | Sep 05 19:31 |
schestowitz | I stopped IM in 2004 | Sep 05 19:31 |
schestowitz | This IRC channel was started in 2008 when someone suggested creating it | Sep 05 19:31 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: they broke up with Bell CA | Sep 05 19:31 |
_Hicham_ | u should create a voice channel in a jabber room | Sep 05 19:32 |
_Hicham_ | that way we can hear u | Sep 05 19:32 |
_Hicham_ | we never heard ur voice schestowitz | Sep 05 19:32 |
schestowitz | I'm not a voice person | Sep 05 19:32 |
schestowitz | jono invited me to FLOSS Weekly, though | Sep 05 19:33 |
cubezzz | I think gaim might work with msn | Sep 05 19:33 |
schestowitz | And _goblin wants to start an audiocast | Sep 05 19:33 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, but that's today | Sep 05 19:33 |
schestowitz | 6 years ago it was different | Sep 05 19:33 |
_Hicham_ | yes, great idea : audio cast | Sep 05 19:33 |
schestowitz | I remember licq | Sep 05 19:34 |
_Hicham_ | video casts are also a good idea | Sep 05 19:34 |
schestowitz | It came with some distros like Mandrake | Sep 05 19:34 |
_Hicham_ | so that female FOSS activists can see u | Sep 05 19:34 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: you can do it for us | Sep 05 19:34 |
schestowitz | Honorary Ambassador Hicham :-p | Sep 05 19:34 |
_Hicham_ | thanks schestowitz | Sep 05 19:35 |
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_Hicham_ | time to break fasting | Sep 05 19:35 |
schestowitz | Is there a Mrs Hicham yet? | Sep 05 19:35 |
_Hicham_ | see ya later | Sep 05 19:35 |
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schestowitz | LOL | Sep 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | Get a Zune while you still can < http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/week-in-microsoft-get-a-zune-while-you-still-can.ars > | Sep 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | Memorabilia | Sep 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu gets niftier: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzUwOQ | Sep 05 19:38 |
schestowitz | But... they put fspot in the installer. How tactless. | Sep 05 19:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin the windows 7 drinking game http://is.gd/2VyOh | Sep 05 19:44 | |
schestowitz | *LOL* http://notnews.today.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-arranges-spontaneous-house-parties-for-windows-7-launch/ "Come to our supar l33t party! It’ll have “balloons” and “games” and “family friendly” fun and really easy setting up, nudge nudge, wink wink! Plug and play, my friend. Plug and play. Don’t forget your … anti-virus. If you know what I mean. And I think you do." | Sep 05 19:55 |
schestowitz | Internet addiction clinic opens in Seattle area < http://www.examiner.com/x-6698-Seattle-City-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m9d4-Internet-addiction-clinic-opens-in-Seattle-area > | Sep 05 20:06 |
schestowitz | http://www.prlog.org/10329860-parallels-and-partners-microsoft-verisign-and-internetx-to-launch-inaugural-apac-summit.html "Parallels today announced partnerships with Microsoft" | Sep 05 20:07 |
schestowitz | Some people try to 'simplify' the industry, pretending just 3 are at play: http://www.pcworld.com/article/171470/google_apple_microsoft_battle_users_win.html | Sep 05 20:11 |
schestowitz | Asay is part of this illusion.. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10332114-16.html | Sep 05 20:12 |
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schestowitz | Attention w*ores: http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-apple-the-new-microsoft-2009-8 (Apple: The New Microsoft (AAPL, MSFT)) | Sep 05 20:14 |
schestowitz | People tend to forget it's behaviour, not market share | Sep 05 20:15 |
schestowitz | I've done many search variations on this: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=Hitwise+microsoft+partner&aq=f&oq=&aqi= was hitwise ever close to Microsoft in any way? Been fishy recently. | Sep 05 20:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard lol, I wonder how many fake parties will be held just in order to try and win prizes.... | Sep 05 20:24 | |
schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE58008O20090901 Many folks forget that Sony hardly competes with GOogle, unlike Microsoft. Sony makes hardware and media, Google does SaaS and search.. | Sep 05 20:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin @davidgerard I hear Microsoft will disseminate free coke (not the drink) to add hype to the parties. :-| | Sep 05 20:27 | |
schestowitz | Arrow Electronics Expands Licensing Pact with Microsoft http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2507420/ | Sep 05 20:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/020672.html "There are confirmed reports by webmasters that the issue is no longer being seen and that going forward their log files are no longer being polluted with fake referrer data." | Sep 05 20:37 |
schestowitz | Shame on the WSJ | Sep 05 20:44 |
schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125174411034873381.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Sep 05 20:44 |
schestowitz | Filled with propaganda words | Sep 05 20:44 |
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sebsebseb | hi | Sep 05 20:45 |
schestowitz | They make it acceptable to call some companies "mafiaa" and "gangsters" | Sep 05 20:45 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: hi | Sep 05 20:45 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Sep 05 20:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Microsoft attack Linux at the retail level. (Probably not 56k friendly): http://is.gd/2VFBK || wtf?? | Sep 05 20:49 | |
trmanco | stupid tactics | Sep 05 20:50 |
_Hicham_ | senior schestowitz | Sep 05 20:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz If they offer food to the poor in order to keep people using their products,I expect they will do anything! #microsoft #windows | Sep 05 20:55 | |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : urgent http://mashable.com/2009/09/05/wordpress-attack/ | Sep 05 20:55 |
schestowitz | Hey _Hicham_ , what's it about? | Sep 05 20:55 |
_Hicham_ | it is a vulnerability in wordpress | Sep 05 20:55 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I'm safe | Sep 05 20:56 |
schestowitz | I run the latest version | Sep 05 20:56 |
schestowitz | Unless I misread | Sep 05 20:56 |
_Hicham_ | thanks to god | Sep 05 20:57 |
schestowitz | If you’re running a self-hosted WordPressWordPressWordPress blog that isn’t up-to-date (version 2.8.4), you’re advised to upgrade immediately to the latest version of the software to avoid an ongoing attack. | Sep 05 20:57 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: fools at mashable | Sep 05 20:57 |
schestowitz | trmanco reads em | Sep 05 20:57 |
schestowitz | They just alert and alarm people about something that's already patched | Sep 05 20:57 |
schestowitz | Make the logo in red and stuff | Sep 05 20:57 |
schestowitz | That's like saying "BEWARE! Conficker" | Sep 05 20:58 |
_Hicham_ | it is better than not informing people | Sep 05 20:59 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: http://www.scmagazineus.com/Microsoft-disputes-password-stealing-SQL-Server-bug/article/148012/ | Sep 05 21:00 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: true | Sep 05 21:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin "Use Bing. OR THE PUPPY GETS IT." | Sep 05 21:03 | |
schestowitz | Microsoft Layoffs Add More Fuel to H-1B Visa Fire < http://www.cio.com/article/478754/Microsoft_Layoffs_Add_More_Fuel_to_H_1B_Visa_Fire > | Sep 05 21:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard LOL...what about "use Bing or we'll mail you one of Ballmers shirts after he's been on stage" #microsoft #windows #vista #xp | Sep 05 21:15 | |
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schestowitz | Snow Leopard Attacks Twitter! (Meanwhile, Microsoft Mauls Itself) < http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=138803 > | Sep 05 21:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Slashdot: Kernel 2.6.31 To Speed Up Linux Desktop http://tinyurl.com/m2vslv | Sep 05 21:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Microsoft bribes Best Buy employees to promote Windows 7 http://tinyurl.com/kr3j2w | Sep 05 21:39 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "IE – What does Microsoft need to do?" http://tinyurl.com/ldrbdz #microsoft #windows #ie #vista #xp | Sep 05 21:42 | |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: someone gave me this link http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html | Sep 05 21:44 |
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peon-dev | http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html | Sep 05 21:51 |
peon-dev | Seems Microsoft is intent on spreading FUD | Sep 05 21:51 |
peon-dev | pisses me off, because much of what M$ says is not true. | Sep 05 21:51 |
sebsebseb | peon-dev: yeah it seems so these days | Sep 05 21:52 |
trmanco | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/05/maps-wars-how-google-microsoft-and-yahoo-deal-with-bridge-closure/ | Sep 05 21:52 |
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sebsebseb | ,but at least this kind of thing proves that Linux is their only real true competition | Sep 05 21:52 |
sebsebseb | Apple | Sep 05 21:52 |
sebsebseb | LOL | Sep 05 21:52 |
trmanco | peon-dev: I also posted that here (from Twitter) | Sep 05 21:52 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: I wrote about it yesterday | Sep 05 21:53 |
peon-dev | cool. Cheers then | Sep 05 21:53 |
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sebsebseb | Google is also competetition :D and yep they also use Linux so, what I just said :D | Sep 05 21:53 |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, most people don't spend a lot of money on a computer (Apple) | Sep 05 21:54 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: I am behind on Linux news by a lot, also when I start again, I might start reading a lot of your stuff | Sep 05 21:54 |
schestowitz | let me get that link.. | Sep 05 21:54 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/signs-of-agony-at-best-buy/ | Sep 05 21:54 |
schestowitz | It also discusses the Apple issue | Sep 05 21:54 |
schestowitz | I have loads of post about new Microsoft dirty tricks... coming tomorrow | Sep 05 21:56 |
schestowitz | It's becoming easy to see that Microsoft struggles (more layoffs now) because it's attacking blatantly | Sep 05 21:57 |
schestowitz | Microsoft sued over patents again.. http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/307504 http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/307394.php | Sep 05 21:58 |
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schestowitz | "Decision in Spansion Finds That Debtors Did Not Demonstrate Sound Business Judgment in Settlement of Patent Litigation" http://delawarebankruptcy.foxrothschild.com/2009/07/articles/recent-developments-in-bankrup/decision-in-spansion-finds-that-debtors-did-not-demonstrate-sound-business-judgment-in-settlement-of-patent-litigation/#more | Sep 05 22:07 |
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sebsebseb | schestowitz: ok read it the best buy article | Sep 05 22:23 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: or blog entry even | Sep 05 22:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "The Girl Paradox" - http://twlol.com/tw/?v4-25097 #lol #graphs | Sep 05 22:27 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202433636349 "9th Circuit Blasts Feds for Post-9/11 Detention of 'Material Witness'" "the Idaho man's Fourth Amendment rights were violated when he was arrested and imprisoned without charges for two weeks in 2003 and later restricted to Nevada and three other states." | Sep 05 22:30 |
schestowitz | trmanco: http://en.nothingisreal.com/wiki/Why_I_Will_Never_Have_a_Girlfriend | Sep 05 22:31 |
schestowitz | Unorthodox lawyers trying to take a bite out of Apple http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/6601818.html | Sep 05 22:33 |
ThistleWeb | Apple's logo does have a bit out of it, maybe they think that;s in invitation | Sep 05 22:36 |
ThistleWeb | bite* | Sep 05 22:36 |
schestowitz | Apple funds Myhrvold | Sep 05 22:37 |
schestowitz | I've just found out | Sep 05 22:37 |
schestowitz | The fiends | Sep 05 22:37 |
schestowitz | IBM has it coming too | Sep 05 22:37 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: that... is epic | Sep 05 22:38 |
schestowitz | No. | Sep 05 22:40 |
schestowitz | EPIC is a Microsoft-filled drone | Sep 05 22:40 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/epic_googlebooks_intervention/ | Sep 05 22:40 |
trmanco | schestowitz: that's funny | Sep 05 22:40 |
schestowitz | Microsoft on board | Sep 05 22:40 |
schestowitz | Post coming | Sep 05 22:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] # Law Firm Shows That #GNU #Linux is a Great Success in #Legal Business http://ping.fm/7mVGF | Sep 05 22:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Amounts of Snacks Eaten During Movies" - http://twlol.com/tw/?v4-24556 #lol #graphs | Sep 05 22:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Is Inherently More Advanced Than #Windows http://ping.fm/JJhHu | Sep 05 22:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #XServer 1.7 ii Coming http://ping.fm/r4S4u | Sep 05 22:52 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Things I read at breakfast" - http://twlol.com/tw/?v4-24253 #lol #graphs | Sep 05 22:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Wants Meta #FogComputing http://ping.fm/uekXu | Sep 05 22:56 | |
trmanco | http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/song-chart-memes-politics.jpg?w=504&h=411 | Sep 05 22:56 |
trmanco | this graph is inspiring | Sep 05 22:56 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at Contemporary Desktops Running #AfterStep http://ping.fm/pH6tP | Sep 05 22:58 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: yes | Sep 05 22:59 |
schestowitz | Sort of | Sep 05 22:59 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Linux Gets Polished New #Installer (Screenshots) http://ping.fm/udPKZ | Sep 05 23:04 | |
trmanco | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-math-expand.jpg | Sep 05 23:04 |
trmanco | what a laugh I just had | Sep 05 23:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Improvements Made to Android/Linux Applications Repository http://ping.fm/vnl3H | Sep 05 23:06 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Handheld Runs Linux ( #Android ) http://ping.fm/viNNu | Sep 05 23:08 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Classic Headball" - http://twlol.com/tw/?v7-397 #lol #fail | Sep 05 23:09 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Jolicloud (GNU/Linux) Gets More Acceptance in Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/IkJqW | Sep 05 23:20 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software Awards Officially Distributed http://ping.fm/4U4ee | Sep 05 23:20 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kosovo Groks Need for #FreeSoftware in #Government http://ping.fm/krmNQ | Sep 05 23:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Freedom in #Proprietary Software (e.g. #Apple / #Microsoft ) Makes No Sense http://ping.fm/d3ked | Sep 05 23:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KRUU #Radio Chooses #FreeSoftware and Reports Great #Savings http://ping.fm/QpN6p | Sep 05 23:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla Learns from Testers and Recruits Volunteers http://ping.fm/EheZ0 http://ping.fm/RzSOM | Sep 05 23:27 | |
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yuhong | My opinion on http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/signs-of-agony-at-best-buy/ is that I don't agree with everything said on this, but yes this is likely indeed Linux FUD. | Sep 05 23:28 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] South African Government Reassures Migration to Free Software http://ping.fm/CVk2q | Sep 05 23:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Hungarian #Government Turns to #FreeSoftware in Procurement http://ping.fm/G0Eyc | Sep 05 23:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BBC's Thompson "Proud to be a C/UNIX Programmer [and GNU/Linux User]" http://ping.fm/ZMQdx | Sep 05 23:37 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open-source Hardware Carries on Getting Attention http://ping.fm/QbUe9 http://ping.fm/YFanK | Sep 05 23:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Access Carries on Entering Law and Science http://ping.fm/ORxBq http://ping.fm/iVmXl http://ping.fm/Ug9Am | Sep 05 23:39 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon Still Plays Bad Cop, Good Cop http://ping.fm/Iliio http://ping.fm/p3qld?mod= | Sep 05 23:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cunning Tricks for Censorship in Vietnam , Russia, Italy, Korea http://ping.fm/lPRjs http://ping.fm/gwVf3 http://ping.fm/DdVjx http: ... | Sep 05 23:47 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pfizer in the Middle of Massive Fraud Again http://ping.fm/Tw2X2 http://ping.fm/ByB6W #criminalsinsuits | Sep 05 23:49 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Numbers Are Made Up Again and Parroted in the Press Nonetheless http://ping.fm/jJ91A | Sep 05 23:52 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #YouTube to Host Copyright #Cartel , Failure Expected http://ping.fm/XoZ7l http://ping.fm/0hTWb | Sep 05 23:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attacks on BitTorrent Leads to Backlash from Legitimate Business http://ping.fm/fc3zq | Sep 05 23:55 |
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