Diablo-D3 | and they aren't trying for that either | Sep 11 00:00 |
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Diablo-D3 | they are merely trying to be profitable | Sep 11 00:00 |
Diablo-D3 | they've just forgotten how they came into being | Sep 11 00:00 |
Diablo-D3 | if you can't change to meet the world's demands, the world leaves you behind | Sep 11 00:00 |
MinceR | no, this doesn't qualify for "merely trying to be profitable" | Sep 11 00:00 |
MinceR | that's a very bad excuse | Sep 11 00:00 |
Diablo-D3 | if you try to push the world in a different direction, the world runs you over | Sep 11 00:00 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft _is_ getting run over. | Sep 11 00:00 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: no, thats exactly what happens | Sep 11 00:00 |
Diablo-D3 | when you grow that big you _have_ to push the world around | Sep 11 00:01 |
Diablo-D3 | because you're no longer efficient | Sep 11 00:01 |
cubezzz | I think GNU/Linux is strong enough to survive anything Microsoft can do | Sep 11 00:01 |
MinceR | "you killed people on the street and took their wallets!" "but i was merely trying to be profitable!" "oh, ok. then please continue, sorry for bothering you" | Sep 11 00:01 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: I didnt say that | Sep 11 00:01 |
Diablo-D3 | I said microsoft cannot be efficient at that size | Sep 11 00:01 |
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Diablo-D3 | to stay in business they must be evil | Sep 11 00:01 |
MinceR | then they should exist at that size | Sep 11 00:01 |
MinceR | they claimed to be a tech company | Sep 11 00:02 |
MinceR | so they should do technology | Sep 11 00:02 |
Diablo-D3 | google is a study into what the most efficient size is | Sep 11 00:02 |
MinceR | if they can't, they can piss off | Sep 11 00:02 |
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Diablo-D3 | see above, MinceR | Sep 11 00:02 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft doesnt have to die | Sep 11 00:02 |
Diablo-D3 | they just dont understand their options | Sep 11 00:02 |
MinceR | and what i said with that hypothetical conversation is exactly how many people handle businesses, btw | Sep 11 00:02 |
cubezzz | they should be reduced severely | Sep 11 00:02 |
MinceR | profit is the universal excuse | Sep 11 00:02 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: profit is the universal drive | Sep 11 00:02 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: they have to die, or we have to | Sep 11 00:03 |
Diablo-D3 | thats what companies exist to do. | Sep 11 00:03 |
MinceR | and i'd rather have them die. | Sep 11 00:03 |
Diablo-D3 | they dont have to die: they have to be efficient. | Sep 11 00:03 |
MinceR | m$ has identified the rest of the world as the enemy | Sep 11 00:03 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft is not efficient | Sep 11 00:03 |
MinceR | they can't be efficient | Sep 11 00:03 |
Diablo-D3 | if microsoft does not become efficient, its not that they "should" or "must" die, they _will_ die | Sep 11 00:03 |
Diablo-D3 | and not by our hands | Sep 11 00:03 |
Diablo-D3 | we will have nothing to do with it | Sep 11 00:03 |
MinceR | but they will die slowly | Sep 11 00:03 |
MinceR | and they'll keep on strangling us while they do | Sep 11 00:03 |
Diablo-D3 | they aren't strangling us | Sep 11 00:04 |
MinceR | and we shouldn't allow them to do so | Sep 11 00:04 |
MinceR | yes they are | Sep 11 00:04 |
MinceR | look at what they did to the IT industry | Sep 11 00:04 |
MinceR | they almost killed the whole thing | Sep 11 00:04 |
Diablo-D3 | there is no IT industry | Sep 11 00:04 |
Diablo-D3 | not the way you're talking about | Sep 11 00:04 |
MinceR | (and technology would have followed; then civilization) | Sep 11 00:04 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft has been ejected out of the enterprise market because microsoft is not efficient | Sep 11 00:04 |
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Diablo-D3 | the enterprise market's strongest drive outside of money is efficiency | Sep 11 00:05 |
MinceR | or because they've been one of the vilest things humanity has ever seen | Sep 11 00:05 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: everything is vile. | Sep 11 00:05 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft isnt even the largest offender | Sep 11 00:05 |
MinceR | to differing extents | Sep 11 00:05 |
MinceR | they're one of the largest offenders | Sep 11 00:05 |
Diablo-D3 | they're small fries, sadly | Sep 11 00:05 |
Diablo-D3 | look at the big players, look at the oil industry for one | Sep 11 00:05 |
Diablo-D3 | they're vile | Sep 11 00:05 |
cubezzz | standard oil was broken up | Sep 11 00:06 |
MinceR | m$ wasn't even punished | Sep 11 00:06 |
Diablo-D3 | ms's punishment has already been decried by the world, MinceR | Sep 11 00:07 |
Diablo-D3 | nothing the DoJ can do is as bad as whats coming up | Sep 11 00:07 |
MinceR | that's no excuse | Sep 11 00:07 |
Diablo-D3 | if microsoft refuses to become efficient, they will cease. | Sep 11 00:07 |
MinceR | the DoJ has found them guilty but did nothing | Sep 11 00:07 |
cubezzz | the DOJ should have protected netscape btw | Sep 11 00:07 |
MinceR | that's not how it's supposed to work | Sep 11 00:07 |
cubezzz | now netscape is dead and microsoft wasn't affected | Sep 11 00:07 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: no, but what can the DoJ do? microsoft's time was already nearing to a close then | Sep 11 00:07 |
MinceR | they could have broken m$ up | Sep 11 00:08 |
MinceR | or closed it down | Sep 11 00:08 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: its like putting a dying man on death row. | Sep 11 00:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Apple saves world from Commodore 64 nuclear attack http://notnews.today.com/?p=638 | Sep 11 00:08 | |
cubezzz | in 1998, microsoft was near their zenith | Sep 11 00:08 |
MinceR | or having them pay a penalty that would actually hurt them | Sep 11 00:08 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: not worth it | Sep 11 00:08 |
MinceR | preferably the latter two | Sep 11 00:08 |
MinceR | yes it is | Sep 11 00:08 |
Diablo-D3 | netscape obiwanned the problem | Sep 11 00:08 |
MinceR | closing down m$ would be an instant boost to the IT industry | Sep 11 00:08 |
MinceR | one we've never seen before | Sep 11 00:08 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: read what I wrote. | Sep 11 00:08 |
MinceR | and making them pay would mean a lot of money going to commons | Sep 11 00:08 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: read what i wrote :> | Sep 11 00:09 |
MinceR | and some of that money would have been spent usefully | Sep 11 00:09 |
Diablo-D3 | I doubt it | Sep 11 00:09 |
MinceR | obviously, most of it would have been stolen, of course | Sep 11 00:09 |
cubezzz | just put out computers with different OSes in stores, that's all I want | Sep 11 00:09 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I dont | Sep 11 00:09 |
Diablo-D3 | I'd rather computers stop being sold with operating systems if they're not intergrated systems | Sep 11 00:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Financial Sectors in #Australia Dump #Windows for #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/3RwQC4 | Sep 11 00:10 | |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, ok what then, blank? | Sep 11 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | an OS is just another part. | Sep 11 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | I buy parts, I dont buy computers | Sep 11 00:10 |
MinceR | i think installing an OS should be an option. | Sep 11 00:10 |
MinceR | sure you do | Sep 11 00:10 |
cubezzz | right, that's what a lot of us do | Sep 11 00:10 |
MinceR | but many people buy computers already built | Sep 11 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | now, I do believe there is a market for intergrated linux systems | Sep 11 00:10 |
cubezzz | but other folks might want a complete package deal | Sep 11 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | netbooks shouldnt exist the way they do | Sep 11 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | the whole netbook market is retarded | Sep 11 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | netbooks should be intergrated systems | Sep 11 00:11 |
MinceR | what do you mean by that? | Sep 11 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | look at the iphone | Sep 11 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | its not a "computer" | Sep 11 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | yet, clearly, it is | Sep 11 00:11 |
MinceR | and no, it isn't retarded, just most people don't realize what they are about | Sep 11 00:11 |
MinceR | the hypePhone is a piece of shit. | Sep 11 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | it runs a version of osx | Sep 11 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | android phones are the same way | Sep 11 00:11 |
MinceR | which is a piece of shit | Sep 11 00:11 |
MinceR | and so is android | Sep 11 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | they're intergrated linux systems | Sep 11 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | they exist for one purpose alone and are built for that purpose | Sep 11 00:12 |
MinceR | but at least android qualifies for being a smartphone os | Sep 11 00:12 |
cubezzz | zaurus was pretty good though, you can pretty much compile everything | Sep 11 00:12 |
MinceR | well, existing for one purpose alone sucks | Sep 11 00:12 |
MinceR | also, it's for cheap phones | Sep 11 00:12 |
cubezzz | iphone I would never even consider | Sep 11 00:12 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: not entirely | Sep 11 00:12 |
MinceR | which already exist | Sep 11 00:12 |
Diablo-D3 | the problem with not using linux is you're limiting yourself | Sep 11 00:12 |
Diablo-D3 | look at, say, the PSP | Sep 11 00:12 |
trmanco | "Kroah-Hartman says there are coding style guidelines and that Microsoft's code did not match those. "That's normal and not a big deal. It happens with a lot of companies," he said. But the large number of patches did turn out to be quite a bit of work, he noted. " | Sep 11 00:12 |
MinceR | the whole point of general purpose computers is that you get to choose what it does | Sep 11 00:12 |
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trmanco | "He said Thursday that Microsoft still has not contributed any patches around the drivers. | Sep 11 00:13 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: but general purpose computing isn't the complete answer | Sep 11 00:13 |
trmanco | "They say they are going to contribute, but all they have submitted is changes to update the to-do list." | Sep 11 00:13 |
MinceR | kroah-hartman should be prevented from messing with linux any more | Sep 11 00:13 |
trmanco | to-do list heh | Sep 11 00:13 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you need both. | Sep 11 00:13 |
MinceR | if there's no other way, linux must be forked before kroah-hartman kills it for his masters. | Sep 11 00:13 |
Diablo-D3 | like, look at the PSP | Sep 11 00:13 |
Diablo-D3 | its designed for it's task | Sep 11 00:13 |
cubezzz | the good thing is no one controls Linux | Sep 11 00:13 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: i don't. stupid consumers might need retard systems | Sep 11 00:13 |
trmanco | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/091009-linux-chief-microsoft.html?hpg1=bn | Sep 11 00:14 |
MinceR | so let them have them. | Sep 11 00:14 |
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MinceR | and let me have my smart devices. | Sep 11 00:14 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: thats the entire thing | Sep 11 00:14 |
MinceR | ...or give them smart devices with safe defaults. | Sep 11 00:14 |
Diablo-D3 | smart and dumb are just words that make up shit | Sep 11 00:14 |
cubezzz | another thing I personally want is programming specs for all my hardware | Sep 11 00:14 |
cubezzz | I'm getting closer to that | Sep 11 00:14 |
Diablo-D3 | if everything ran linux, everything would be smart | Sep 11 00:14 |
Diablo-D3 | AND everything would still be built for a purpose | Sep 11 00:14 |
MinceR | what i want is putting engineers back in charge of IT | Sep 11 00:14 |
Diablo-D3 | what I want is putting ME back in charge of IT. | Sep 11 00:14 |
Diablo-D3 | thats what linux does | Sep 11 00:14 |
MinceR | instead of failed lawyers (m$) and marketroids (crApple) | Sep 11 00:14 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: you never was in charge. | Sep 11 00:15 |
MinceR | :> | Sep 11 00:15 |
MinceR | s/was/were/ | Sep 11 00:15 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yes I am | Sep 11 00:15 |
Diablo-D3 | I have two computers infront of me, they do what I want | Sep 11 00:15 |
MinceR | that's a tiny slice of IT | Sep 11 00:15 |
Diablo-D3 | I dont mean me specifically | Sep 11 00:15 |
Diablo-D3 | its the whole locking out of the owner | Sep 11 00:15 |
MinceR | why did you say you, then? | Sep 11 00:15 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: me, plural. | Sep 11 00:15 |
MinceR | ugh | Sep 11 00:15 |
Diablo-D3 | a royal me. | Sep 11 00:16 |
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MinceR | that's "us" | Sep 11 00:16 |
Diablo-D3 | its us if you wanna say something slightly different | Sep 11 00:16 |
cubezzz | royal we, I didn't know there was a royal me :) | Sep 11 00:16 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I've been abusing english before you were born | Sep 11 00:16 |
cubezzz | 1965 | Sep 11 00:16 |
MinceR | also, a device designed for one task and locked into doing only that task is indeed locking out the owner | Sep 11 00:16 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: not true | Sep 11 00:16 |
cubezzz | before then? | Sep 11 00:16 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: a device that runs a legitimate distro of linux can do anything I want | Sep 11 00:17 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: its just _designed_ for a specific task | Sep 11 00:17 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: a device that runs a legitimate distro of linux has the capability to be a general-purpose computer | Sep 11 00:17 |
MinceR | it isn't a hypePhone and it isn't a PSP. | Sep 11 00:17 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yes, but it _isnt_ one | Sep 11 00:17 |
Diablo-D3 | if I ran linux on the iphone and the psp, they'd still be built exactly for that task | Sep 11 00:17 |
cubezzz | I know a guy who ported chess to his router :) | Sep 11 00:17 |
cubezzz | the router is a computer | Sep 11 00:18 |
MinceR | it's a computer that happens to have default settings/apps for a specific task. | Sep 11 00:18 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: its still a computer period | Sep 11 00:18 |
Diablo-D3 | its just in a fancy new box. | Sep 11 00:18 |
MinceR | it's still a general-purpose computer. | Sep 11 00:18 |
Diablo-D3 | general computing, ultimately, says what box it comes in. | Sep 11 00:18 |
Diablo-D3 | my workstation is as general computing as it gets | Sep 11 00:18 |
Diablo-D3 | I cant take it anywhere, but it can do everything really well. | Sep 11 00:19 |
Diablo-D3 | to take it with me, it becomes a laptop, I loose what tasks I can do. | Sep 11 00:19 |
cubezzz | I think the programming specs for stuff like cards and chips is uber-important | Sep 11 00:19 |
Diablo-D3 | to fit it in my pocket, I lose even more tasks | Sep 11 00:19 |
cubezzz | then from there you get your drivers for everything | Sep 11 00:19 |
Diablo-D3 | to get rid of the keyboard, I lose some | Sep 11 00:19 |
Diablo-D3 | I can still actually run them | Sep 11 00:19 |
Diablo-D3 | it just sucks to try | Sep 11 00:19 |
Diablo-D3 | but the flexability is there to do what _I_ want. | Sep 11 00:20 |
Diablo-D3 | its not making iphones and psps general purpose, its making them human friendly | Sep 11 00:20 |
MinceR | idiot-friendly? | Sep 11 00:20 |
Diablo-D3 | not at all | Sep 11 00:20 |
Diablo-D3 | ever take a look at, say, star trek? | Sep 11 00:20 |
cubezzz | I'm just thinking about BSD and I can't recall if I ever saw it on floppies | Sep 11 00:20 |
MinceR | i've seen some of ST | Sep 11 00:21 |
Diablo-D3 | star trek was based on ideas that wern't fleshed out yet | Sep 11 00:21 |
Diablo-D3 | but one of the ideas star trek almost invented was real honest to god cloud computing | Sep 11 00:21 |
cubezzz | hmmm? | Sep 11 00:21 |
Diablo-D3 | not the bullshit sun and ibm and those faggots try to pass off | Sep 11 00:21 |
cubezzz | how about the suicide booths? :) | Sep 11 00:21 |
cubezzz | remember that one? | Sep 11 00:22 |
Diablo-D3 | but where you, say, have something the size of a netbook on a planet | Sep 11 00:22 |
Diablo-D3 | and your ship is in orbit | Sep 11 00:22 |
cubezzz | PADs I think they called them | Sep 11 00:22 |
MinceR | then you can ssh to the ship | Sep 11 00:22 |
MinceR | not really a novel idea :> | Sep 11 00:22 |
cubezzz | or tricoders maybe | Sep 11 00:22 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: basically | Sep 11 00:22 |
Diablo-D3 | it uses nearby systems to complete the task | Sep 11 00:22 |
Diablo-D3 | its not a dumb terminal | Sep 11 00:22 |
Diablo-D3 | but its not working on it's own either | Sep 11 00:23 |
MinceR | so it's a distributed computing architecture | Sep 11 00:23 |
Diablo-D3 | on the widest scale | Sep 11 00:23 |
Diablo-D3 | its real cloud computing | Sep 11 00:23 |
MinceR | it figures out where to run processes on its own | Sep 11 00:23 |
MinceR | that would be interesting | Sep 11 00:23 |
Diablo-D3 | this is whats wrong with cell phones and psps and shit | Sep 11 00:23 |
MinceR | though i can figure that out for myself for the time being :> | Sep 11 00:23 |
Diablo-D3 | when they're locked down, no one can ever make it happen | Sep 11 00:23 |
Diablo-D3 | this is what Im getting at | Sep 11 00:23 |
MinceR | (unless my infrastructure will be made of scattered tiny computers all over the place) | Sep 11 00:23 |
Diablo-D3 | if they all ran linux, I have the option of doing what I want | Sep 11 00:24 |
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Diablo-D3 | but I dont loose the feature of what they are | Sep 11 00:24 |
cubezzz | well trek was pretty optimistic | Sep 11 00:24 |
Diablo-D3 | iphones are _designed_ to be portable and small | Sep 11 00:24 |
Diablo-D3 | that in itself is a great feature | Sep 11 00:24 |
cubezzz | especially the transporter :) | Sep 11 00:24 |
MinceR | no, hypePhones were designed to be shiny, locked down crap | Sep 11 00:24 |
Diablo-D3 | the problem with apple is they lock the platform down | Sep 11 00:24 |
Diablo-D3 | I cant _do_ anything with it | Sep 11 00:24 |
MinceR | in fact, everything from crApple is designed to be shiny, locked-down, useless crap | Sep 11 00:25 |
Diablo-D3 | I'd like to buy an itouch and run android on it | Sep 11 00:25 |
Diablo-D3 | and then buy an htpc | Sep 11 00:25 |
MinceR | and usually they fail at the "shiny" part and come up with something that looks like a toilet lid | Sep 11 00:25 |
Diablo-D3 | and run some sort of htpc android on that | Sep 11 00:25 |
Diablo-D3 | and then setup a huge data server | Sep 11 00:25 |
MinceR | i'm more interested in maemo than android :> | Sep 11 00:25 |
Diablo-D3 | and then connect my androided itouch to magical airwaves | Sep 11 00:26 |
Diablo-D3 | so I can be anywhere in the world and access my data | Sep 11 00:26 |
Diablo-D3 | _this_ is what linux on all devices is. | Sep 11 00:26 |
MinceR | i think what gnu/linux on all devices is that you can use the hardware they're made of to the fullest | Sep 11 00:26 |
Diablo-D3 | exactly | Sep 11 00:26 |
MinceR | in the way you want to. | Sep 11 00:26 |
Diablo-D3 | linux _is_ efficiency | Sep 11 00:27 |
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Diablo-D3 | anytime a company tells me no, they are making me less efficient. | Sep 11 00:27 |
MinceR | (i say gnu/linux because one of the ways in which android fails is that they omit gnu) | Sep 11 00:27 |
Diablo-D3 | the world has no time for these people. | Sep 11 00:27 |
Diablo-D3 | now do you understand, MinceR? | Sep 11 00:27 |
MinceR | i do | Sep 11 00:27 |
MinceR | still, the world is too slow to realize that it has no time for these people | Sep 11 00:27 |
Diablo-D3 | people like you and I exist "in the future" | Sep 11 00:28 |
Diablo-D3 | we're living about 10 years ahead of everyone else | Sep 11 00:28 |
Diablo-D3 | where I'm standing, the world already forgot about microsoft | Sep 11 00:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Plans for #Linux 2.6.32 Outlined http://bit.ly/2IBmL http://bit.ly/QOzc7 | Sep 11 00:29 | |
Diablo-D3 | I've even relegated my XP install in virtualbox to ... well, legacy software | Sep 11 00:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] More Free Software Goodness in Linux Graphics[News] More Free Software Goodness in Linux Graphics http://bit.ly/Q1Tm1 | Sep 11 00:31 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu and #RedHat Show Their Virtualisation Cards http://bit.ly/aWrEh | Sep 11 00:41 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu and #RedHat Show Their #Virtualisation Cards http://bit.ly/aWrEh http://bit.ly/Da1mF | Sep 11 00:41 | |
cubezzz | again, a shame commodore didn't survive | Sep 11 00:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Still awaiting the RC of Wolvix...been a impressed with that distro ever since the beta of V2. | Sep 11 00:48 | |
schestowitz | cubezzz: we have ps3 | Sep 11 00:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and I wonder how many of them had been sold a PC on the back of those Microsoft sales courses some stores ran? #microsoft #windows #xp | Sep 11 00:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin the personal story of #Wolvix is special. The developer I mean | Sep 11 00:57 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz yeah I was interested to hear about that one but can't find any links on it. | Sep 11 00:57 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] what's the opposite of opposite? | Sep 11 00:58 | |
schestowitz | Same? | Sep 11 00:58 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: maybe | Sep 11 00:59 |
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ThistleWeb | it just occurred to me that I didn't know and never thought about it before, is there an opposite of opposite? | Sep 11 00:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BestBuy Staff/Customers to be Indoctrinated by #Free oftware Advocates http://trygnulinux.com/sfd09/wiki/doku.php | Sep 11 01:02 | |
ThistleWeb | \o/ another dokuwiki | Sep 11 01:04 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: yep people that run Desktop Linux today, are in a way living in the future already | Sep 11 01:04 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: assuming that most other computer users wil be running it on the desktop in the future as well | Sep 11 01:04 |
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sebsebseb | anyone about still? | Sep 11 01:26 |
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Diablo-D3 | [08:03:27] <ThistleWeb> it just occurred to me that I didn't know and never thought about it before, is there an opposite of opposite? | Sep 11 01:27 |
Diablo-D3 | inverse? | Sep 11 01:27 |
Diablo-D3 | Im not sure what you're talking about | Sep 11 01:28 |
Diablo-D3 | opposite is just a relationship, there are others. | Sep 11 01:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents as Ransom Tools: Your Money or Your Life http://bit.ly/14dJcZ | Sep 11 01:29 | |
ThistleWeb | it's word play, I do that a lot. Some things strike me as bizarre | Sep 11 01:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE Down Almost for the Whole Weekend http://bit.ly/1jfiME Will l anyone notice? | Sep 11 01:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] i4i Tells World About Ugly Nature of #Microsoft http://bit.ly/336NV2 | Sep 11 01:37 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #i4i Tells World About Ugly Nature of #Microsoft http://bit.ly/336NV2 | Sep 11 01:37 | |
zlg | opposite of opposite is the original | Sep 11 01:37 |
ThistleWeb | zlg: good answer | Sep 11 01:39 |
ThistleWeb | I had to bounce that about in my mind for a min to get it, but yeah that's the best answer I've seen | Sep 11 01:40 |
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zlg | thanks :) (and so did i). | Sep 11 01:42 |
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yuhong | I took a look at this case of Comcast "astroturfing", it appears that there was disclosure added to the end of the comments: | Sep 11 01:44 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/01/comcast-astroturfing-with-radian6/ | Sep 11 01:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxFoundation Finds Out That #Microsoft Hatred is Not a Disease http://bit.ly/RCqci | Sep 11 01:45 | |
yuhong | http://conversation.radian6.com/AiHAlerts/landing.php?userKey=4b16c8fc9ce220b0cef7a5ec6101c8d0&blogPostId=1688426188&topicFilterIds=53604&clientId=4&link=http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/comcast-internet-service-down-for-over-nine-hours-last-night/ | Sep 11 01:45 |
schestowitz | Hi, yuhong | Sep 11 01:45 |
yuhong | Notice the disclosure at the end of the comment. | Sep 11 01:45 |
yuhong | Hi. | Sep 11 01:45 |
schestowitz | Doesn't matter | Sep 11 01:45 |
schestowitz | That's not the point | Sep 11 01:45 |
yuhong | Why? | Sep 11 01:45 |
yuhong | What is the point. | Sep 11 01:46 |
schestowitz | They are hounding critics | Sep 11 01:46 |
schestowitz | And silencing them | Sep 11 01:46 |
yuhong | Yes, but at least they post only one comment and disclose the Comcast relationship. | Sep 11 01:47 |
yuhong | Here it is: | Sep 11 01:47 |
yuhong | "Kind Regards, | Sep 11 01:47 |
yuhong | Melissa Mendoza | Sep 11 01:47 |
yuhong | Comcast Customer Connect | Sep 11 01:47 |
yuhong | National Customer Operations | Sep 11 01:47 |
yuhong | We_Can_Help@cable.comcast.com | Sep 11 01:47 |
yuhong | @ComastMelissa" | Sep 11 01:47 |
yuhong | Comcast did astroturf another time: | Sep 11 01:48 |
yuhong | http://consumerist.com/consumer/fake-consumers-with-fake-opinions/comcast-caught-astroturfing-about-big-ten-channel-292271.php | Sep 11 01:48 |
yuhong | In another medium. | Sep 11 01:48 |
yuhong | For something completely unrelated. | Sep 11 01:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Spends Too Much Time Attacking Competition, Using Underhanded Tactics http://bit.ly/7Gv0o | Sep 11 01:49 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Scales Back Event as Revenue Runs Low http://bit.ly/X9MaP | Sep 11 01:50 | |
yuhong | What do you think of this disclosure? | Sep 11 01:52 |
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schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vangelis | Sep 11 02:20 |
zlg | chariots of fire is a good peice of music | Sep 11 02:23 |
Will | not sure that this is really newsworthy, but: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/10/2159246/Greg-Kroah-Hartman-Gripes-About-Microsofts-Linux-Contribution-MS-Renews-Effort?art_pos=2 | Sep 11 02:24 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdQ7LBo_t-Q&feature=related | Sep 11 02:24 |
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Will | schestowitz: I've been meaning to ask. What is the difference between stock OpenOffice and Go-oo? I know about the Novell connection of Go-oo, but I honestly couldn't tell the difference between the two if both windows were open. | Sep 11 02:44 |
zlg | I was woken up this morning, by 2 ambulance officers standing in my room !!! not only did they have the wrong adress but the wrong suburb ! but was different :D | Sep 11 02:44 |
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seller_liar | I was thinking..... | Sep 11 03:57 |
seller_liar | Monodevelop 2.2 does not work using mono for windows | Sep 11 03:57 |
seller_liar | It needs .net framework 3.5 to run | Sep 11 03:58 |
seller_liar | This is funny | Sep 11 03:58 |
seller_liar | Monodevelop for windows does not work with mono for windows | Sep 11 03:58 |
seller_liar | NoDevelop! | Sep 11 03:58 |
zlg | IE F/fox Other | Sep 11 04:00 |
zlg | Buy a pair of glasses online in australia, they have a browser survey | Sep 11 04:01 |
zlg | no special interest groups or techo's and ie 33.61% FF 40.25% | Sep 11 04:02 |
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oiaohm | Found the audio hell I was suffering from. Debian had installed a double set of alsa config files that happened to incompadible with each other. | Sep 11 04:23 |
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DaemonFC | I found a Windows 7 theme for the KDE taskbar :) | Sep 11 04:33 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] @schestowitz absolutely not #Mac devs, rather, #hackintosh profiteers who are making pure cash from the work of the #hackintosh community. | Sep 11 04:57 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, seems that after I complained to my bank about blocking Opera, they also took out their block of Konqueror | Sep 11 04:58 |
DaemonFC | they were also blocking anything with Linux in the user agent and sending them to the upgrade your OS screen | Sep 11 04:59 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, Hulu is now sponsoring OLPC | Sep 11 05:12 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 11 05:12 |
DaemonFC | XP Edition? | Sep 11 05:12 |
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cubezzz | so they put XP on OLPC eh? | Sep 11 06:14 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Sep 11 06:14 |
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DaemonFC | Firefox runs like shit on Kubuntu and brings half of GNOME in | Sep 11 06:56 |
DaemonFC | where did that QT port go off to anyway? | Sep 11 06:56 |
DaemonFC | the latest Opera weekly is fast as greased lightning though | Sep 11 07:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] "It's a little bit weird that the geeks take Turing's suicide more seriously than the gays" - reddit comment re: http://bit.ly/1MRFHr | Sep 11 07:10 | |
DaemonFC | heh, KDE actually uses a lot more RAM than GNOME | Sep 11 07:15 |
DaemonFC | I'm sitting at just over 1.4 GB used | Sep 11 07:15 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, false alarm, a bunch of apport-kde's got backed up | Sep 11 07:17 |
oiaohm | Firefox port to QT still in development. | Sep 11 07:17 |
oiaohm | Found my sound problem DaemonFC | Sep 11 07:17 |
oiaohm | Double set of Alsa module configurations. | Sep 11 07:17 |
oiaohm | And they were not compadible with each other. | Sep 11 07:18 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, Schwan's website says a big fuck you to anyone not using IE or Firefox | Sep 11 07:18 |
DaemonFC | the add to cart button won't work | Sep 11 07:18 |
oiaohm | Wonder if ubuntu is having the same issue. /etc/modprobe.d/ one set had .conf on the end ie the new ones the old ones do not. | Sep 11 07:19 |
oiaohm | Remove one or the other and the sound goes fine. | Sep 11 07:19 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, I solved the VLC problem with the webcam microphone | Sep 11 07:19 |
DaemonFC | ALSA is so fucking retarded | Sep 11 07:19 |
oiaohm | My VLC still does not work at all. | Sep 11 07:19 |
DaemonFC | why should anyone need to edit an obscure text file somewhere to get it to let you choose which microphone to use? | Sep 11 07:20 |
oiaohm | VLC in a chroot of stable works. | Sep 11 07:20 |
oiaohm | VLC 1.0.1 is dead so badly it don't play anything. | Sep 11 07:20 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC: ALSA really needs a X11 like team to hit it. | Sep 11 07:20 |
DaemonFC | how do you fuck up your website so badly that Opera, Konqueror, and Arora (Webkit) won't work? | Sep 11 07:22 |
oiaohm | Sure konqueror does not work. | Sep 11 07:23 |
oiaohm | Fake the UA string. | Sep 11 07:23 |
DaemonFC | doesn't help | Sep 11 07:24 |
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DaemonFC | oiaohm, http://www.schwans.com/products/productDetail.aspx?id=56243&keyword=678 | Sep 11 07:24 |
DaemonFC | click Add to cart | Sep 11 07:25 |
DaemonFC | nothing happens | Sep 11 07:25 |
oiaohm | I have to fake the UA string on iceweasel so some sites render too. | Sep 11 07:25 |
DaemonFC | it's not the user agent | Sep 11 07:25 |
oiaohm | Ok what form of detection are they using. | Sep 11 07:25 |
DaemonFC | they're using something these browsers don't understand | Sep 11 07:26 |
DaemonFC | doesn't work in Seamonkey either | Sep 11 07:30 |
oiaohm | Seamonkey and firefox are the same engine. | Sep 11 07:30 |
oiaohm | Its some form of strange detection. | Sep 11 07:31 |
oiaohm | Bugger | Sep 11 07:33 |
oiaohm | The cart button is a ajax interface. | Sep 11 07:33 |
oiaohm | Ie the add to cart. | Sep 11 07:33 |
oiaohm | http://www.schwans.com//js/omniture_javascript.js << Some of the code there is level 10 ugly DaemonFC | Sep 11 07:36 |
oiaohm | God dam polymophic web site DaemonFC | Sep 11 07:37 |
oiaohm | I am suppriesed IE works with the code they have done DaemonFC. That kind of polymorthic site use to kill IE 4.0. | Sep 11 07:40 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, Well, I had some coupons for their stuff | Sep 11 07:46 |
DaemonFC | guess I won't be using them | Sep 11 07:46 |
oiaohm | What don't like the code DaemonFC? | Sep 11 07:47 |
DaemonFC | well, if I can't even get the page to work | Sep 11 07:49 |
oiaohm | With the mess of code in there Firefox looks like the only option. | Sep 11 07:50 |
oiaohm | Even worse it appears to check for id netscape not mozilla. | Sep 11 07:50 |
oiaohm | Ie not mozilla foundations tags | Sep 11 07:50 |
DaemonFC | Firefox doesn't work either | Sep 11 07:52 |
oiaohm | Firefox UA netscape 6 ? | Sep 11 07:54 |
oiaohm | It looks very much like a normal .net crap site. | Sep 11 07:54 |
oiaohm | I have to deal with them all the time with Australian goverment. | Sep 11 07:56 |
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Tito_ | Icaza is a board member in Codeplex? Why am I not surprised? | Sep 11 08:01 |
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oiaohm | VIA joining the Linux foundation means that all major x86 makers are now part of the Linux foundation. | Sep 11 08:05 |
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schestowitz | Cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAUqAjyvpSc&feature=related | Sep 11 08:47 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Didnt Sam Ramji leave MS? Whats he doing at the Codeplex Foundation? | Sep 11 08:50 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPwzY_PwlNA&NR=1 | Sep 11 08:55 |
schestowitz | _goblin: yes, I saw that | Sep 11 08:55 |
schestowitz | _goblin: it's interim board | Sep 11 08:56 |
_goblin | ah | Sep 11 08:56 |
_goblin | Its like a 10p comic with De Icazza going to it......he really does worship MS....why doesnt he just become Ballmers bag boy and be done with it? | Sep 11 08:57 |
schestowitz | Japan's space freighter in orbit http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8249357.stm | Sep 11 08:59 |
schestowitz | _goblin: I'm getting Twits from Microsofters | Sep 11 08:59 |
schestowitz | They're upset at me | Sep 11 08:59 |
schestowitz | For one thing, they don't like my jubilation over Ramji's departruew | Sep 11 08:59 |
schestowitz | Touche! Hit a nerve there at the Vole. | Sep 11 09:00 |
_goblin | lol....Just been reading the T&C of the codeplex site...... | Sep 11 09:01 |
_goblin | "Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others." | Sep 11 09:01 |
_goblin | oops the MS faithful are guilty there. | Sep 11 09:02 |
_goblin | maybe thats a one off......? | Sep 11 09:02 |
_goblin | "ublish, post, upload, distribute or disseminate any inappropriate, profane, defamatory, obscene, indecent or unlawful topic, name, material or information." | Sep 11 09:02 |
schestowitz | Yeah, well... they are used to being guilty of something | Sep 11 09:02 |
schestowitz | Like indoctrinating staff vs Linux | Sep 11 09:02 |
schestowitz | _goblin: day off? | Sep 11 09:03 |
_goblin | its like MS have just listed their own sins and told others not to do them..... | Sep 11 09:03 |
_goblin | no day off today..... | Sep 11 09:03 |
_goblin | working nights. | Sep 11 09:03 |
_goblin | or 4-12 | Sep 11 09:03 |
schestowitz | Arranging Vista 7 launch parties? | Sep 11 09:04 |
schestowitz | :-p | Sep 11 09:04 |
_goblin | you've sort of hit on a truth there. | Sep 11 09:04 |
_goblin | Myself and some collegues are applying for a Windows party loot bag... | Sep 11 09:04 |
_goblin | hoping to get selected..... | Sep 11 09:05 |
_goblin | it will be one Windows party Microsoft won't like on their site. | Sep 11 09:05 |
_goblin | oh this is good: | Sep 11 09:06 |
_goblin | "Microsoft reserves the right at all times to disclose any information as Microsoft deems necessary to satisfy any applicable law" | Sep 11 09:06 |
trmanco | hello guys | Sep 11 09:06 |
_goblin | Microsoft satisfying law? When did that happen? | Sep 11 09:06 |
_goblin | hi trmanco | Sep 11 09:06 |
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schestowitz | _goblin: LOL. You're applying? | Sep 11 09:26 |
schestowitz | Good idea. Will they check to see if you turn the stuff in those boxed to coasters? | Sep 11 09:26 |
schestowitz | Maybe ask them to put Vista 7 on a CD-RW | Sep 11 09:26 |
schestowitz | Hey, trmanco | Sep 11 09:27 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 11 09:27 |
schestowitz | OK, I've chosen a geisha photo for Ramji | Sep 11 09:27 |
schestowitz | Post almost there now. Just needs proofing... | Sep 11 09:28 |
trmanco | bbl | Sep 11 09:30 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Turncoat Quits http://bit.ly/46F493 | Sep 11 09:42 | |
_goblin | schestowitz: my friends are...! Ive been very careful to make sure that they will actually be hosting a Windows 7 party, however its not going to go quite the way Microsoft would like it.....now all Microsoft has to do is work out which of its applicants are my friends....it will have to be very careful now which winner it selects....it may well be very embarassing.... | Sep 11 10:01 |
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_goblin | Im assisting them to make sure that they don't cross any legal or contractual boundaries.... | Sep 11 10:02 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Codeplex Foundation – Microsoft loves FOSS? http://tinyurl.com/n8u6f5 #microsoft #foss #linux #windows #xp #vista #novell #mono | Sep 11 10:17 | |
_goblin | lol | Sep 11 10:17 |
_goblin | Roy, we were both typing about the same subject at the same time.... | Sep 11 10:18 |
_goblin | im sure a Wintroll will read something into that. | Sep 11 10:18 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 11 10:20 |
schestowitz | Good post | Sep 11 10:21 |
schestowitz | Miguel is da man............... for the job | Sep 11 10:21 |
_goblin | Yep.....although his tactics for "sucking up" to Microsoft haven't worked for me in my crusade to get a free Bentley.....I'm still working on that one. | Sep 11 10:27 |
schestowitz | I heard from someone who knew Miguel that he (Miguel) made a lot of money from that whole funny business | Sep 11 10:33 |
schestowitz | Stephane | Sep 11 10:33 |
_goblin | I suppose this is why people like ourselves cannot be accused of being "bought" for me I have no financial interests in anything IT related.....my life would not change overnight if FOSS took over and more than if Microsoft did....When we post its on the basis of honest held belief not belief in the paycheck. | Sep 11 10:38 |
_goblin | *and should read anymore | Sep 11 10:39 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Confirms Attack on #GNU #Linux, #Stallman Interception by Microsoft Contract Seemingly Confirmed Too http://bit.ly/1ayGy0 | Sep 11 10:52 | |
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Eruaran | "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso | Sep 11 10:58 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Abuses the Word “Open” to Sneak into #Governments http://bit.ly/jpzgj | Sep 11 11:40 | |
schestowitz | " | Sep 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | Broadcast message from ml-admin@opensuse.org | Sep 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | (/dev/pts/0) at 07:30 GMT ... | Sep 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | The system is going down for halt NOW! | Sep 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | | | Sep 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | OpenSUSE down for the whole weekend! | Sep 11 12:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Trouble in #Novell / #Microsoft Paradise http://bit.ly/qEc0U | Sep 11 12:11 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] isto é só 9/11... faz hoje um ano que tirei a carta, sim foi mesmo neste dia nao estou a gozar... | Sep 11 12:36 | |
trmanco | Why does Windows Explorer keep closing down on me?: 4aaa2c74$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au | Sep 11 12:37 |
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Eruaran | Windows Exploder ? | Sep 11 12:54 |
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Eruaran | "Did anyone remember that the real reason NSW went with the MS deal is that they had a pre-existing license that meant that the software costs were marginal?" | Sep 11 12:57 |
Eruaran | Reply: Marginal as opposed to Free ? Pulling the Microsoft TCO slight of hand are we ? How "marginal" are these "marginal" costs multiplied by well over two hundred thousand students ? Those are taxpayer dollars you're talking about. | Sep 11 12:57 |
Eruaran | "photoshop, which does not work reliably on Linux" | Sep 11 12:57 |
Eruaran | Reply: Actually it runs fine on Wine, but nevermind that, you do realize the students are getting NETBOOKS don't you ? | Sep 11 12:58 |
Eruaran | "NSW DET is also working on deploying Moodle, an open source online education tool." | Sep 11 12:58 |
Eruaran | Reply: Oh well that just makes it all better now doesn't it ? | Sep 11 12:58 |
Eruaran | "Linux is fine for people who want the freedom to modify and tweak their software. In an enterprise setting, that's exactly what you don't want." | Sep 11 12:58 |
Eruaran | Reply: Tell that to Red Hat, IBM and other highly successful companies who have been rolling Linux out in the enterprise for many years. Seriously, you've got to come up with a better argument than that ! | Sep 11 12:59 |
Eruaran | God... I hate DET flunkies | Sep 11 12:59 |
Eruaran | 267,000 netbooks | Sep 11 13:01 |
Eruaran | With Vista 7 | Sep 11 13:01 |
Eruaran | I hope it explodes in their faces the twits | Sep 11 13:02 |
Eruaran | I have a really short temper these days | Sep 11 13:03 |
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schestowitz | " | Sep 11 13:07 |
schestowitz | we have started a petition to help EU laptop and computer buyers who do not agree with the current OEM licenses on (new) machines to be able to get a refund. | Sep 11 13:07 |
schestowitz | You can find the petition online at : www.softwarepushers.com (the name is satyrical of course). | Sep 11 13:07 |
schestowitz | This petition is only for people in the EU and because our team consists of two people working on the website it is only available in English at the moment. | Sep 11 13:07 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 11 13:07 |
schestowitz | All collected data (check the privacy statement) will only be used to send the petition to the European Commission. | Sep 11 13:08 |
schestowitz | You can find the text of the petition below. | Sep 11 13:08 |
schestowitz | We are planning to hand the petition over in digital form on 22/10/2009. | Sep 11 13:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Citizens of the #EU, make your voice heard by demanding choice on new PCs. http://softwarepushers.com/ | Sep 11 13:08 | |
schestowitz | The more people sign the petition, the more pressure can be applied. | Sep 11 13:08 |
schestowitz | Since we work as volunteers on this we could use some exposure in the press / on the web, hence this email to you. | Sep 11 13:08 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 11 13:08 |
schestowitz | Help spread this | Sep 11 13:08 |
schestowitz | We need many sigs | Sep 11 13:08 |
schestowitz | Then other countries may follow suit | Sep 11 13:08 |
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trmanco | http://ariya.blogspot.com/2009/09/svg-parsing-and-content-optimization.html | Sep 11 13:24 |
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trmanco | qt is getting faster | Sep 11 13:24 |
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schestowitz | it needs to run on phones | Sep 11 13:32 |
MinceR | it did on the greenphone | Sep 11 13:34 |
MinceR | (too bad it was only a developer kit) | Sep 11 13:34 |
schestowitz | At least it's organic | Sep 11 13:35 |
MinceR | sure, lots of plastic :> | Sep 11 13:35 |
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trmanco | heh | Sep 11 13:36 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: it's green, too | Sep 11 13:49 |
schestowitz | Like the Trolltech identity | Sep 11 13:49 |
schestowitz | ATI drives six displays from one video card http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533232/ati-drives-displays-video-card | Sep 11 13:51 |
*schestowitz just needs more heads now | Sep 11 13:51 | |
MinceR | visit Chernobyl ;) | Sep 11 13:51 |
trmanco | bbl | Sep 11 13:52 |
schestowitz | IBM is going after Microsoft Office users http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533202/ibm-microsoft-office-users | Sep 11 13:53 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/11/sky_news_defacement_prank/ Sky News election petition defaced by prankster hackers | Sep 11 13:55 |
tacone1 | schestowitz: ping | Sep 11 13:59 |
schestowitz | Hey | Sep 11 14:01 |
schestowitz | Google To Offer Out-Of-Print Scanned Books To Rivals http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090910-713994.html | Sep 11 14:04 |
tacone1 | schestowitz: got this http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs171.snc1/6410_125127628819_706123819_2249721_6733592_n.jpg | Sep 11 14:05 |
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schestowitz | brb | Sep 11 14:06 |
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schestowitz | http://healthcare.kucinich.us/petition/ | Sep 11 14:19 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Independently, Jason saw just what we pointed out earlier -- that Miguel de Icaza took a shot at the FSF. http://bit.ly/15vo5M | Sep 11 14:34 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: a phone for you: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/10/motorola-unveils-first-android-phone (Motorola Unveils First Android Phone) :-) | Sep 11 14:35 |
MinceR | not really | Sep 11 14:35 |
schestowitz | Just strip off the DRM, put some gnu and off you go\ | Sep 11 14:35 |
MinceR | and lose the warranty | Sep 11 14:36 |
schestowitz | It's 'Linux' for dummis | Sep 11 14:36 |
schestowitz | /s/dummies/androids/ | Sep 11 14:36 |
MinceR | and then there's the issue of no headset adaptors for motorolas | Sep 11 14:36 |
schestowitz | The device says a lot about its users | Sep 11 14:36 |
schestowitz | Mere androids who don't understand their rights | Sep 11 14:36 |
schestowitz | No keyboard on some | Sep 11 14:36 |
schestowitz | Do they have full-sized kb peripheral like my Palm? | Sep 11 14:36 |
schestowitz | What about he hypephone? | Sep 11 14:37 |
schestowitz | Could one type on a full-sized keyboard on hypephone like Palm users did over a decade ago? | Sep 11 14:37 |
MinceR | typing requires literacy :> | Sep 11 14:38 |
schestowitz | Some have it | Sep 11 14:38 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is funny these days. Codeplex foundation. *LMAO* | Sep 11 14:39 |
schestowitz | They haven't a clue | Sep 11 14:39 |
schestowitz | And some journo who mailed me fell into this st00pid PR trap | Sep 11 14:39 |
schestowitz | Yo, benJIman. Why doesn't Novell make server space for opensuse? | Sep 11 14:41 |
benJIman | schestowitz: For project hosting? | Sep 11 14:41 |
benJIman | We have discussed it, there wasn't a compelling reason to create our own NIH project hosting when there's plenty of third party options. | Sep 11 14:41 |
MinceR | i doubt NIH applies to actual servers | Sep 11 14:42 |
MinceR | they aren't invented, they're provisioned :> | Sep 11 14:42 |
schestowitz | benJIman: yes | Sep 11 14:42 |
schestowitz | It it was Mono, they'd make 55 mirrors for it | Sep 11 14:42 |
schestowitz | Opensuse complained that it needed a sponsor | Sep 11 14:42 |
schestowitz | Is Novell's sponsorship not enough? | Sep 11 14:42 |
MinceR | depends on whether you want opensuse to fail :> | Sep 11 14:43 |
schestowitz | I don;t | Sep 11 14:43 |
schestowitz | I want it to detach self from Novell | Sep 11 14:43 |
schestowitz | It would be a huge win | Sep 11 14:43 |
MinceR | then you'll probably want them to move away from novell completely | Sep 11 14:43 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 11 14:43 |
schestowitz | MinceR: they are hardly IN Novell | Sep 11 14:44 |
schestowitz | They are in Germany | Sep 11 14:44 |
schestowitz | Novell is somewhere in USia | Sep 11 14:44 |
schestowitz | Mono is USian developers, too | Sep 11 14:44 |
MinceR | suse is novell, and suse is in germany | Sep 11 14:45 |
schestowitz | It's not | Sep 11 14:45 |
schestowitz | Novell is Netware, Groupwise, etc. | Sep 11 14:45 |
schestowitz | And some SLES | Sep 11 14:45 |
schestowitz | S.u.S.E. tags along reluctantly | Sep 11 14:45 |
schestowitz | Some SUSE folks left after the deal | Sep 11 14:45 |
MinceR | so not all | Sep 11 14:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] UK firm Spinvox 'put up for sale' http://tinyurl.com/luol4j | Sep 11 14:46 | |
schestowitz | Some may have left after the acquisition 6 years ago | Sep 11 14:46 |
schestowitz | AFAICT, Ubuntu is not bigger in Germany than SUSE | Sep 11 14:47 |
schestowitz | *now | Sep 11 14:47 |
schestowitz | BVad typo | Sep 11 14:47 |
schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=a_walk_in_the_woods&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Sep 11 15:08 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 11 15:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb : #Spinvox is #utterjunk and they use softare patents to play with #FUD | Sep 11 15:10 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Check these screens out... http://www.pixelqi.com/faq spinoff from OLPC | Sep 11 15:12 | |
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schestowitz | *LOL* http://twitter.com/kgerloff/statuses/3907469833 | Sep 11 15:29 |
schestowitz | IBM has ALWAYS been with ODF here... | Sep 11 15:29 |
schestowitz | Funny ststement, I guess | Sep 11 15:30 |
schestowitz | IBM sells it's proprietary stuff for ODF | Sep 11 15:30 |
schestowitz | Better stick to OOo | Sep 11 15:30 |
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schestowitz | I'm 'shilling' against Lotus ;-) | Sep 11 15:40 |
schestowitz | schestowitz@ieduarte73 #Lotus is proprietary. Use OOo 3.1. it\'s better. | Sep 11 15:40 |
schestowitz | schestowitz@kgerloff #IBM has always been with #ODF. Better stick to #OOo BTW. #Lotus is #proprietary. | Sep 11 15:40 |
schestowitz | Are Reporters Looking For Information... Or Ammunition? < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090908/1903486133.shtml > | Sep 11 15:44 |
schestowitz | Google Working On Micropayment Scheme To Help Newspapers Commit Suicide Faster < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090909/1640136145.shtml > | Sep 11 15:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Working On Micropayment Scheme To Help Newspapers Commit Suicide Faster < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090909/1640136145.shtml ... | Sep 11 15:46 | |
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schestowitz | New Tweets, Old Needs < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/opinion/10iht-edcohen.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all > | Sep 11 15:49 |
schestowitz | Debunked: http://techdirt.com/articles/20090910/1723426155.shtml | Sep 11 15:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Why be a priest? The chicks, man!" http://is.gd/39tTV | Sep 11 16:04 | |
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schestowitz | Story collection soars after Fry Tweet < http://www.thebookseller.com/news/96631-story-collection-soars-after-fry-tweet.html > | Sep 11 16:07 |
schestowitz | trmanco: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/09/tokamark-3-on-home-stretch.html | Sep 11 16:10 |
schestowitz | Hey, wallclimber | Sep 11 16:10 |
wallclimber | good morning! | Sep 11 16:11 |
wallclimber | i have a business meeting with a new client later this morning. (please shoot me) | Sep 11 16:11 |
schestowitz | You don't like meetings I take it...... | Sep 11 16:12 |
wallclimber | i don't have a lot of patience with corporate types...this is a children's medical center, we're developing a book for kids about going to the emergency room | Sep 11 16:13 |
schestowitz | My plasmoid says it's sunny today, but it ain't so out my window. Someone's wrong on this one... the BBC. | Sep 11 16:13 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: do the kids read it inside ER? | Sep 11 16:14 |
wallclimber | my problem is knowing that i will have to explain the printing process and all about file formats to Windows users | Sep 11 16:14 |
schestowitz | ODF? | Sep 11 16:14 |
schestowitz | LyX? | Sep 11 16:14 |
schestowitz | MOOX? | Sep 11 16:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Why I Refuse To Use Chip & Pin http://tinyurl.com/nqemzg | Sep 11 16:15 | |
wallclimber | the book is aimed at parents too, it helps doctors and nurses to explain things to families | Sep 11 16:15 |
schestowitz | Moooooooox.. *shudder* | Sep 11 16:15 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: I'm using to reading digitally. Are kids reading books as much as adults? | Sep 11 16:16 |
wallclimber | well, people tend to think they need to send everything to me in word docx or excel or (shudder) Publisher files | Sep 11 16:16 |
schestowitz | You can automate replies to these based on filetype | Sep 11 16:16 |
schestowitz | Maybe not best for handling customers though | Sep 11 16:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @schestowitz They're also facing legal privacy inquiries over "how" they convert speech to text | Sep 11 16:17 | |
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wallclimber | these will have coloring pages and puzzles (kids need things to do when they are waiting in ER), plus information to keep it all from looking too scary | Sep 11 16:17 |
schestowitz | But then you can blame "bot" for rejecting a mail | Sep 11 16:17 |
schestowitz | So it's less uncomfortable to explain | Sep 11 16:17 |
wallclimber | no, can't use bots for replying to customers...they need hand-holding | Sep 11 16:17 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: use videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzA | Sep 11 16:18 |
ThistleWeb | in the UK, kids do have things to do while waiting in ER, though usually it involves being drunk and abusive to everyone including staff | Sep 11 16:18 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: is that why they have such think glass at the reception desk??? :-) | Sep 11 16:19 |
wallclimber | this is a children's wing...they are usually quite young | Sep 11 16:19 |
schestowitz | *thick | Sep 11 16:19 |
ThistleWeb | lol yep | Sep 11 16:19 |
wallclimber | it's actually quite a nice place | Sep 11 16:19 |
schestowitz | It still makes a scene for others to witness, ThistleWeb | Sep 11 16:19 |
ThistleWeb | we have a council office here which wouldn't look out of place in Kabul | Sep 11 16:20 |
schestowitz | Rusholme health centre can be like this | Sep 11 16:20 |
ThistleWeb | with grids, thick glass, shutters, emergency buttons etc | Sep 11 16:20 |
ThistleWeb | the locals get a tad aggressive when they dont get their way | Sep 11 16:20 |
schestowitz | Who is the emergncy button /FOR/? | Sep 11 16:21 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: not just witness but be vulnerable to | Sep 11 16:21 |
ThistleWeb | police | Sep 11 16:21 |
ThistleWeb | police quick response button | Sep 11 16:21 |
schestowitz | Wot?? Not for patients? | Sep 11 16:21 |
ThistleWeb | no, this is a council office | Sep 11 16:21 |
schestowitz | Who's protecting whom? | Sep 11 16:21 |
ThistleWeb | they're protecting the staff | Sep 11 16:21 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 11 16:22 |
schestowitz | It's a reversal, isn't it? | Sep 11 16:22 |
ThistleWeb | pity anyone caught on the angry side of the disturbance | Sep 11 16:22 |
schestowitz | Instead of the patients' safety, it's the staff's safety | Sep 11 16:22 |
schestowitz | Kind of amusing when you think about it.... | Sep 11 16:22 |
ThistleWeb | other members of the public | Sep 11 16:22 |
schestowitz | Sick people want to made staff 'sick' (or injured) | Sep 11 16:22 |
schestowitz | The night of the living dead | Sep 11 16:22 |
ThistleWeb | It's different in different areas and times of day / night | Sep 11 16:22 |
wallclimber | well, guess i better get things together here and get myself ready for the ordeal...wish me luck, it'll be a good contract if i get it. | Sep 11 16:23 |
schestowitz | Maybe the guard ought to have hit the emergency button here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzA You know, to keep the lady quiet... | Sep 11 16:23 |
ThistleWeb | good luck | Sep 11 16:23 |
Nice article on the patent proxy attack, Roy. | Sep 11 16:23 | |
wallclimber | thanks :) | Sep 11 16:23 |
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schestowitz | twitter: thanks | Sep 11 16:24 |
I think that and the i4i story highlight the downfall of US patents as a weapon. | Sep 11 16:24 | |
schestowitz | For the 'poor small inventor'... | Sep 11 16:24 |
People thought that Biski made software patents worthless back in 2007. | Sep 11 16:24 | |
schestowitz | And then he sees the conglemarates attacking him in an amicus assult... | Sep 11 16:25 |
schestowitz | DELL, HP, MUGABESOFT, the Microsoft-corrupted USDO['Justice']...... | Sep 11 16:25 |
Right. Sort of a last, dying gasp. | Sep 11 16:25 | |
schestowitz | *assult | Sep 11 16:25 |
schestowitz | *->Assault | Sep 11 16:25 |
schestowitz | They jump to silence SmallInvestor(); | Sep 11 16:26 |
They make the case against patents at the same time they pretend patents are a threat to "business" | Sep 11 16:26 | |
schestowitz | SmallInvestor even | Sep 11 16:26 |
schestowitz | SmallInventor even | Sep 11 16:26 |
But look at their private auction. | Sep 11 16:26 | |
schestowitz | The big business is so selfish | Sep 11 16:26 |
schestowitz | Just mutual defense of the status quo | Sep 11 16:26 |
schestowitz | "How DARE you stop Word sales?" | Sep 11 16:27 |
It shows that big companies would like nothing more than to unload their worthless portfolios. | Sep 11 16:27 | |
schestowitz | They expire | Sep 11 16:27 |
schestowitz | No use, no use [sic] | Sep 11 16:27 |
If the only purchaser is OIN, there won't be much money in that scheme. | Sep 11 16:27 | |
schestowitz | Don't use it, and then there's no use for it in the first place | Sep 11 16:27 |
schestowitz | The Economist has just had an article about it | Sep 11 16:27 |
Basically, there's no market for these things. | Sep 11 16:27 | |
schestowitz | Written by the mafia's (Intel's) co-founder | Sep 11 16:28 |
Even Intellectual Ventures is filled with dead weight, like the pyramid scheme it is. | Sep 11 16:28 | |
schestowitz | Not exactly | Sep 11 16:28 |
schestowitz | It was | Sep 11 16:28 |
schestowitz | Not it starts to move | Sep 11 16:28 |
Biski pretty much nuked them all. | Sep 11 16:28 | |
schestowitz | And people shout about it | Sep 11 16:28 |
schestowitz | The press... | Sep 11 16:28 |
schestowitz | The observers of trolls | Sep 11 16:28 |
schestowitz | ANd before you know it Nathan the troll will be hounded for the Capone that he is... | Sep 11 16:29 |
M$ cries that patents are a risk in their FUD, but it's precisely the opposite. Patents are a tremendous risk, essentially worthless assets under direct legal threat. | Sep 11 16:29 | |
Soon, the US Supreme court may put an end to the nonsense once and for all. | Sep 11 16:29 | |
This leaves software patent holders like M$, IBM, Dell, HP and others holding trillions of dollars worth of nothing. | Sep 11 16:30 | |
Oh yeah, Nathan too, but he seems to have been smart enough to risk other people's money. | Sep 11 16:31 | |
schestowitz | LOL -:> Google developing a micropayment platform and pitching newspapers: “‘Open’ need not mean free” < http://www.niemanlab.org/2009/09/google-developing-a-micropayment-platform-and-pitching-newspapers-open-need-not-mean-free/ > | Sep 11 16:31 |
schestowitz | People will pass over the stuff that's not free. 90%+ will anyway. | Sep 11 16:31 |
schestowitz | patent derivatives exist | Sep 11 16:31 |
schestowitz | It's another bubble waiting to burse | Sep 11 16:31 |
schestowitz | Experts have warned about it since the Wall Street collapse | Sep 11 16:32 |
schestowitz | /s/Wall/Fraud/ | Sep 11 16:32 |
Well, here it is. | Sep 11 16:32 | |
pop | Sep 11 16:32 | |
schestowitz | Major Blunder in Science Reporting will Fuel Creationist Claims < http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/09/major_blunder_in_science_repor.php > | Sep 11 16:32 |
I suppose that they have been moving the toxic assets to teacher's retirement funds, widows and orphans. | Sep 11 16:33 | |
schestowitz | "Obviously, this writer gets it totally wrong. But more importantly, if you look at this text, it is clear that this is the writing of someone steeped in the creationist literature. This tells me that we are seeing the beginning of a disinformation campaign regarding this research. There are several clues in here that link this paragraph to the Creationist Conspiracy." | Sep 11 16:33 |
I don't think there will be any surge in creationism, one way or another. | Sep 11 16:33 | |
schestowitz | twitter: women and children first | Sep 11 16:33 |
schestowitz | Like in the Titanic | Sep 11 16:33 |
schestowitz | Women=rich people | Sep 11 16:33 |
schestowitz | Children=young men | Sep 11 16:34 |
schestowitz | http://www.cringely.com/2009/09/women-and-children-first/ | Sep 11 16:34 |
As Madoff showed, the crew of the fraudship are busy taking care of themselves at the expense of the others. Imagine them shoving women and children into the cracks below deck. | Sep 11 16:35 | |
schestowitz | http://www.cringely.com/about/ "On How You Can Reach Him to Tell Him He’s a Dipstick" | Sep 11 16:35 |
Then setting sail on their fabulous luxury launches as the ship goes down. | Sep 11 16:35 | |
no thanks. | Sep 11 16:36 | |
bbl | Sep 11 16:36 | |
schestowitz | Home power plants project unveiled in Germany http://www.grist.org/article/2009-09-09-home-power-plants-project-unveiled-in-germany/ | Sep 11 16:38 |
schestowitz | Europe’s First Farmers Came from Afar: New Clues Shed Light on Genetic Ancestry of Modern Europeans < http://spittoon.23andme.com/2009/09/09/europes-first-farmers-came-from-afar-new-clues-shed-light-on-genetic-ancestry-of-modern-europeans/ > | Sep 11 16:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Humans Have Made, Found or Used Over 50 Million Unique Chemicals < http://bit.ly/gPwfe > via @glynmoody | Sep 11 16:40 | |
schestowitz | Government ID: cracking news just in from the US http://www.idealgovernment.com/index.php/blog/government_id_cracking_news_from_the_us/ | Sep 11 16:41 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/3886734950 "Two children 'searched by police' - http://bit.ly/7ofTG cunning, these terrorists, disguising themselves as small kids; well done, Mr Plod" | Sep 11 16:43 |
schestowitz | EU's next big project an 'environmental union' http://www.euractiv.com/en/climate-change/eu-big-project-environmental-union/article-185311 | Sep 11 16:44 |
schestowitz | Better world: Give police your DNA http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327251.200-better-world-give-police-your-dna.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news | Sep 11 16:45 |
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schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-gordon-brown-is-not-turing-complete.html | Sep 11 16:55 |
schestowitz | An Electrifying Tour of the Taser Factory < http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/09/taser-tour/ > | Sep 11 16:55 |
schestowitz | "@glynmoody for more info about Microsoft and BBC Worldwide, see http://bit.ly/cd5oR " | Sep 11 16:58 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin : see Video: Audio Production With Free Software < http://bit.ly/IteA9 > | Sep 11 17:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Notice how #Oracle never says a word about plans for #mysql. http://bit.ly/X8Ab0 | Sep 11 17:14 | |
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schestowitz | Damage control from the Vole. http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corporate/microsoft_the_apple_best_buy_slides_are_ours_too.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535 | Sep 11 17:18 |
DaemonFC | Pulseaudio = aRts 2.0 | Sep 11 17:19 |
DaemonFC | gah | Sep 11 17:19 |
schestowitz | LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApZDDaXr3GA | Sep 11 17:22 |
schestowitz | It looks so lame | Sep 11 17:22 |
schestowitz | Look at it | Sep 11 17:22 |
schestowitz | It's like they read from a script | Sep 11 17:22 |
schestowitz | All bashful and confused | Sep 11 17:22 |
schestowitz | And Novell is the female in this relation | Sep 11 17:23 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @petapixel The Mojave desert's airplane graveyard: http://j.mp/2fADTM | Sep 11 17:31 | |
schestowitz | Dell Ubuntu Oops http://brendanscott.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/dell-ubuntu-oops/ | Sep 11 17:32 |
schestowitz | Terabytes of Storage for Pennies a Gigabyte http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/news/article.php/3838521 | Sep 11 17:38 |
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schestowitz | http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/09/goldman-sachs-tax.html | Sep 11 17:46 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 11 17:46 |
schestowitz | MY GOODMAN: How much money did Goldman Sachs pay in taxes in 2008? | Sep 11 17:46 |
schestowitz | MATT TAIBBI: They paid $14 million in taxes last year, which is an effective tax rate of about one percent, which means that they paid in taxes about a third of what CEO Lloyd Blankfein actually made in compensation last year. | Sep 11 17:46 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 11 17:46 |
trmanco | back | Sep 11 18:04 |
trmanco | anything important that I've missed? | Sep 11 18:05 |
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_Hicham_ | wb Diablo-D3 | Sep 11 18:13 |
Diablo-D3 | hi _Hicham_ | Sep 11 18:14 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/11/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-lxii-steve-ballmer-publicly-ridicules/ | Sep 11 18:18 |
schestowitz | trmanco: no, quiet day today | Sep 11 18:23 |
schestowitz | Unlike yesterday | Sep 11 18:23 |
trmanco | ok :) | Sep 11 18:24 |
schestowitz | No major news that is | Sep 11 18:24 |
trmanco | did you see the article in which ibm will move away from ms office to lotus and open formats? | Sep 11 18:24 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: they gave SteveB hair | Sep 11 18:24 |
schestowitz | He looks better as this type of primate | Sep 11 18:24 |
schestowitz | trmanco: no nws there | Sep 11 18:27 |
schestowitz | *no news | Sep 11 18:27 |
schestowitz | Just PR nonsense for IBM's proprietary lotus | Sep 11 18:27 |
trmanco | why is that? | Sep 11 18:27 |
trmanco | but they are going to use odt | Sep 11 18:27 |
schestowitz | Swapping masters | Sep 11 18:27 |
trmanco | odf* | Sep 11 18:27 |
schestowitz | trmanco: they already did | Sep 11 18:27 |
schestowitz | Scroll up | Sep 11 18:27 |
schestowitz | They just try to hype things up for all I can tell | Sep 11 18:28 |
schestowitz | I heard it before | Sep 11 18:28 |
schestowitz | "All staff to use ODF/Symfony/Linux blah blah blah..." | Sep 11 18:28 |
schestowitz | *phony | Sep 11 18:28 |
schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145215 | Sep 11 18:29 |
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trmanco | found it | Sep 11 18:30 |
trmanco | I didn't know that | Sep 11 18:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Does #Novell Still Neglect #OpenSUSE ? http://bit.ly/GvltW | Sep 11 18:33 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Tequila Art Challenge -28 shots in 8 hours, a painting for each http://www.headinjurytheater.com/artsmashtequila.htm | Sep 11 18:37 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] I made another ickle screencast: http://bit.ly/2lANBU | Sep 11 19:06 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Uses #Novell to Shill for Microsoft in #Government ( #Videos ) http://bit.ly/1g3bL | Sep 11 19:14 | |
cubezzz | is lotus-123 FOSS? | Sep 11 19:14 |
cubezzz | does it still get updated? | Sep 11 19:14 |
schestowitz | It's probably abandonware | Sep 11 19:17 |
schestowitz | IBM does not open-source abandonware | Sep 11 19:17 |
schestowitz | Some people tried to do this to OS/2, but IBM declines | Sep 11 19:17 |
schestowitz | AMD Eyefinity promises 'six panel, one GPU' gaming http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/11/amd_eyefinity/ | Sep 11 19:21 |
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schestowitz | The Snot OS has an update. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533245/snow-leopard-sp1 | Sep 11 19:35 |
schestowitz | MinceR: that's an update for you -- already! Snot Leopard SP1... SP... like in Windows | Sep 11 19:36 |
schestowitz | MinceR: you need to download your latest "shiiiiny!" | Sep 11 19:37 |
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sebsebseb | hi | Sep 11 19:37 |
schestowitz | Hey, what's new? | Sep 11 19:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Just when you thought you've seen everything... http://bit.ly/ohMoT [IMG] | Sep 11 19:38 | |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: nm | Sep 11 19:38 |
schestowitz | Linux going strong.. http://lifehacker.com/5355900/five-features-we-want-to-see-in-ubuntu | Sep 11 19:40 |
schestowitz | Room for improvement | Sep 11 19:40 |
schestowitz | Can a mere domain name be defamation? Glenn Beck says yes < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/can-a-mere-domain-name-be-defamation-glenn-beck-says-yes.ars > | Sep 11 19:40 |
schestowitz | Pigeons are faster than DSL http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/10/pigeons-are-faster-t.html | Sep 11 19:41 |
schestowitz | Cisco's TCP stack is vulnerable to attack http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533014/cisco-tcp-stack-vulnerable-attack | Sep 11 19:41 |
schestowitz | Omar87: did you read this book? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/09/dan-brown/ | Sep 11 19:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Teenager invents £23 solar panel that could be solution to developing world's energy needs ... made from human hair" http://bit.ly/vodMe | Sep 11 19:46 | |
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sebsebseb | schestowitz: that Ubuntu article seems alright | Sep 11 19:48 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: not really sure what I think about it though | Sep 11 19:49 |
sebsebseb | however having Virtualbox in the default install or even Wine, would be a bit hmm, after all ideally people should be running native apps for Linux :) or mainly be running those when they do a Linux distro | Sep 11 19:50 |
schestowitz | There's not even wine | Sep 11 19:50 |
schestowitz | Giving too much proprietary stuff misses the point | Sep 11 19:50 |
schestowitz | Like 'winning' as a proprietary platofrm | Sep 11 19:50 |
schestowitz | Flash, Silver Lie, Apps in Wine.. | Sep 11 19:51 |
schestowitz | The Story Behind the Story < http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200910/media > | Sep 11 19:51 |
sebsebseb | yeah Wine by default in a distro or even Virtualbox, probably not the best idea overall, in fact it may even put certain people off that distro | Sep 11 19:51 |
sebsebseb | yeah a little propritary stuff to help with market share, well ok sure I guess so, Flash for example and Nivida graphics card drivers | Sep 11 19:52 |
sebsebseb | ,but to much propritary stuff won't be good for Linux | Sep 11 19:53 |
trmanco | virtualbox should work seamlessly with the os | Sep 11 19:53 |
trmanco | that would be a huge improvement | Sep 11 19:53 |
sebsebseb | trmanco: seamlessly with the OS you mean? | Sep 11 19:53 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu has KVM as it's default or whatever, and I have no idea how to use KVM | Sep 11 19:53 |
trmanco | OS, yes | Sep 11 19:53 |
sebsebseb | ,but you mean so you can install a virtual machine, like any other app, or like how Wine does it? those apps sort of look they are running natively | Sep 11 19:54 |
trmanco | how wine does it | Sep 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: there are kvm guis | Sep 11 19:54 |
sebsebseb | sort of look like they are running natively | Sep 11 19:54 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 11 19:54 |
trmanco | brb | Sep 11 19:55 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah I installed one once, and had no idea how to use it | Sep 11 19:55 |
schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/09/diy-electric-motorcycle/ | Sep 11 19:55 |
schestowitz | :-p | Sep 11 19:55 |
schestowitz | Ha. The UK humiliates self in public when the world is watching. Police investigated over stop and search of man and children under terror law < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/10/police-stop-search-terror-inquiry ? | Sep 11 19:55 |
sebsebseb | trmanco: seamless Virtualbox I guess would be an improvement yes, but it's also fine really how vm's are currently done with Virtualbox | Sep 11 19:56 |
sebsebseb | I got loads of thank yous and that last night, since I helped someone get a XP VM running in Virtualbox, in Ubuntu | Sep 11 19:57 |
sebsebseb | :) | Sep 11 19:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz so they don't sell tequila, then? | Sep 11 19:57 | |
sebsebseb | don't know if they will be getting rid of their Vista version 2 partition as a result though | Sep 11 19:57 |
schestowitz | Top US copyright cop opposes Google book deal http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090910/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_book_battle | Sep 11 19:58 |
schestowitz | Reports AP, which sued Google, IIRC | Sep 11 19:58 |
sebsebseb | Vista? Windows 7? eh XP does the trick really for most computer users, or even alternate OS's, but of course most of them don't know that :( | Sep 11 19:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawyers for TV überdouche Glenn Beck go after satirical website, saying the url itself is defamatory < http://bit.ly/19QLuO > Streisand ... | Sep 11 20:01 | |
MinceR | schestowitz: nah, it will be just as shiny and crippled and vulnerable as ever. :> | Sep 11 20:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawyers for TV überdouche Glenn Beck go after satirical website...< http://bit.ly/19QLuO > Streisand Effect...? | Sep 11 20:03 | |
schestowitz | The Gullwing Flies Again < http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/09/mercedes-sls-amg/ > | Sep 11 20:03 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: but Vista 7 can run XP | Sep 11 20:04 |
schestowitz | That's its main selling point AFAICT | Sep 11 20:04 |
schestowitz | Bears visiting Hayden Lake homes in search of food < http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2009/09/11/news/news05.txt >.... maybe they look for goldilocks | Sep 11 20:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] College for $99 a Month < http://bit.ly/18WJYP > There is NO reason why education should not be cheap in Net Age. | Sep 11 20:07 | |
schestowitz | Sarkozy launches carbon tax to help 'save the human race' < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/10/sarkozy-carbon-tax-france > Wow. He actually does one thing right. | Sep 11 20:09 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If this is true < http://bit.ly/PnL9n >, then the US found a method for increasing Iraq's unvasion secretly. | Sep 11 20:13 | |
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schestowitz | Hehe. PJ is funny. "The Linux Foundation has now issued a statement calling on Microsoft to stop secretly attacking Linux. I'm sure they'll do that, asap:" | Sep 11 20:16 |
schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090908164954318 | Sep 11 20:16 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: heh | Sep 11 20:17 |
schestowitz | It's like the tortoise and the scorpion... stop pinching me!! | Sep 11 20:23 |
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schestowitz | A smart tortoise stops helping the scorpion. | Sep 11 20:24 |
schestowitz | Drupal's new trademark policy http://lwn.net/Articles/351610/ | Sep 11 20:25 |
schestowitz | GNU grep is slow on UTF-8 http://rg03.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/gnu-grep-is-slow-on-utf-8/ | Sep 11 20:26 |
schestowitz | Trolish: One Laptop Per Child - The Dream is Over http://www.undispatch.com/node/8859 | Sep 11 20:30 |
schestowitz | Taking shots at Nick, too | Sep 11 20:30 |
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schestowitz | Now, Microsoft Indoctrinates Best Buy Employees against Macs http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/now_microsoft_indoctrinates_best_buy_employees_against_macs | Sep 11 20:41 |
schestowitz | http://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com/2009/09/kde4-hype-reality.html "It feels good to see KDE 4.3 mature. Again it feels good to see some of the major but conservative Linux distributions turning up to KDE 4. PCLinuxOS has set a complete KDE 4.3 repository ready for those interested in this new and much-hyped desktop environment." | Sep 11 20:42 |
heh, gnu grep problem not a problem. Wonder why they keep it. -> most Linux distributions are well aware of the problem and ship a patched GNU grep, and have been doing so for years. Debian does it (and with it, Ubuntu), Archlinux does it, Fedora does it, etc. | Sep 11 20:43 | |
sounds like a troll article to me. | Sep 11 20:44 | |
bbl | Sep 11 20:46 | |
schestowitz | Oracle tries to stop Sun's bleeding: Is it too late? http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=24136 | Sep 11 20:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=866 My Arch Linux Experiment (Part 2) | Sep 11 20:50 |
Diablo-D3 | heh schestowitz | Sep 11 20:51 |
Diablo-D3 | oracle is totally fapping off thinking about sparcs | Sep 11 20:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "The average user LOVES Linux!" http://is.gd/39UeA | Sep 11 20:55 | |
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schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I don't get it.. | Sep 11 21:00 |
schestowitz | Didn't some reporters say they'd sell it to HP? | Sep 11 21:00 |
schestowitz | Now they filp-flop | Sep 11 21:00 |
schestowitz | ANd OOo is also conspicuously missing | Sep 11 21:00 |
schestowitz | Maybe the PR/ad focuses just on impact to DB of their own | Sep 11 21:00 |
schestowitz | Not peripheral businesses | Sep 11 21:01 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: remember when I said HP probably wasnt going to buy it? | Sep 11 21:02 |
Diablo-D3 | oracle is interested in building machines to run oracle on | Sep 11 21:03 |
Diablo-D3 | oracle appliances. | Sep 11 21:03 |
schestowitz | What about Uncrackable Linux? | Sep 11 21:06 |
schestowitz | Will Ellison put it on crack? | Sep 11 21:06 |
Diablo-D3 | I havent decided whats going on with opensolaris yet. | Sep 11 21:07 |
schestowitz | Working with Bluetooth: Connecting to All Those Cool Devices http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/peripherals/44623:working-with-bluetooth-connecting-to-all-those-cool-devices | Sep 11 21:07 |
schestowitz | Phoronix self promotion: http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/peripherals/44818-amd-eyefinity-24-display-tech-demo-on-linux | Sep 11 21:07 |
schestowitz | I didn't know they aggregate again in linux.com.... | Sep 11 21:08 |
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Omar87 | schestowitz: Yes, I've read Da Vinci Code. | Sep 11 21:22 |
schestowitz | Not always Gentoo's fault http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2009/09/10/not-always-gentoo-s-fault | Sep 11 21:23 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Wow! What the hell?! (regarding the article you gave me) 0.o | Sep 11 21:23 |
schestowitz | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_08Ham7wUW0g/Sqha5ozXXnI/AAAAAAAAAAM/OF1eaEiC0Ss/s1600-h/trolls.jpg | Sep 11 21:38 |
schestowitz | LOL | Sep 11 21:38 |
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DaemonFC | I have no idea how KDE distributions can say they have a modern system | Sep 11 21:39 |
DaemonFC | then "Oh by the way, you have to keep tabs of whatever has a lock on your audio hardware" | Sep 11 21:39 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC started again his KDE thing | Sep 11 21:40 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Be sure to close your web browser and reopen it to get Flash to work again if you've been playing an MP3 | Sep 11 21:41 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 11 21:41 |
_Hicham_ | I don't have those problems with pulseaudio | Sep 11 21:41 |
DaemonFC | that's the problem | Sep 11 21:42 |
_Hicham_ | and I think that all major distributions are now adopting pulseaudio | Sep 11 21:42 |
DaemonFC | most KDE distributions don't have it and make it difficult to set up | Sep 11 21:42 |
_Hicham_ | they arts | Sep 11 21:42 |
_Hicham_ | they use arts | Sep 11 21:42 |
DaemonFC | wasn't Phonon supposed to replace that thing? | Sep 11 21:42 |
_Hicham_ | yes | Sep 11 21:43 |
_Hicham_ | almost | Sep 11 21:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Joe Wilson voted to fund illegal immigrants healthcare in 2003 http://bit.ly/15tlUT do these people think *no-one in the world* can read? | Sep 11 21:43 | |
DaemonFC | instead it gives you all the problems that GNOME had 5 years ago with no benefits | Sep 11 21:43 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: you've broken your dmix, haven't you. | Sep 11 21:43 |
DaemonFC | Why must audio setup on Linux be in 5 different places, some graphical, some in weird text files *somewhere*? | Sep 11 21:43 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : do use pulseaudio ? | Sep 11 21:43 |
MinceR | phonon is just a middleware, not a daemon | Sep 11 21:43 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: nope | Sep 11 21:43 |
MinceR | pulseaudio sucks | Sep 11 21:44 |
_Hicham_ | again, everything sucks for Mince | Sep 11 21:44 |
DaemonFC | everything you install or configure breaks something else | Sep 11 21:44 |
DaemonFC | RTFM assumes that your problem is discussed in a manual somewhere and the reality is you're just better off pecking at things for hours until it starts working and you can't remember what to do next time | Sep 11 21:45 |
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_Hicham_ | pulseaudio is well integrated with gnome | Sep 11 21:46 |
_Hicham_ | because it is redhat who is primarily sponsoring it | Sep 11 21:46 |
DaemonFC | some way, some how, FreeBSD can play sounds from two different programs at once | Sep 11 21:46 |
_Hicham_ | and redhat does gnome well | Sep 11 21:47 |
DaemonFC | and the user doesn't have to care | Sep 11 21:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cartoon: What Microsoft *Really* Innovates http://bit.ly/DNVKz | Sep 11 21:47 | |
DaemonFC | Why can't Linux have a sound stack that is somewhat reliable and works the same way every time? | Sep 11 21:47 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: actually alsa doesn't suck | Sep 11 21:47 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: that's part of why i don't need pulseaudio | Sep 11 21:48 |
_Hicham_ | what distro are u on that doesn't push pulseaudio ? | Sep 11 21:48 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: why can't you shut up and move to a bsd fanboy channel then? | Sep 11 21:48 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: debian | Sep 11 21:48 |
DaemonFC | Kubuntu doesn't have it | Sep 11 21:48 |
MinceR | *ubuntu forces it on you if you install ubuntu-desktop, though | Sep 11 21:48 |
DaemonFC | all kinds of sound problems cause there's nothing there to hide them | Sep 11 21:49 |
MinceR | that's what i have my handy pulseaudio killer script for | Sep 11 21:49 |
MinceR | while true; do killall pulseaudio; sleep 0.1s; done | Sep 11 21:49 |
_Hicham_ | pulseaudio was created to hide those problems | Sep 11 21:49 |
DaemonFC | so MinceR, how do you recommend fixing this? | Sep 11 21:49 |
MinceR | pulseaudio happened to create more problems | Sep 11 21:49 |
MinceR | while reinventing the wheel | Sep 11 21:49 |
_Hicham_ | like ? | Sep 11 21:49 |
DaemonFC | installing and configuring DMIX? | Sep 11 21:49 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: i recommend setting up dmix correctly (most likely your distro does so by default) and killing pulseaudio with fire | Sep 11 21:50 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, so just a "apt-get install dmix" and log out and in? | Sep 11 21:50 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: like sound skipping on heavier loads | Sep 11 21:50 |
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MinceR | DaemonFC: i think it's an alsa feature, i didn't screw with it much | Sep 11 21:50 |
DaemonFC | maybe fidget around with my Phonon preferences? | Sep 11 21:50 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: since most of my sound cards don't have hardware mixing, i can simply tell if it works :> | Sep 11 21:50 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, Intel HDA obviously doesn't have it | Sep 11 21:51 |
DaemonFC | Pulseaudio and the Windows Mixer both hide that problem well enough | Sep 11 21:51 |
DaemonFC | Windows Mixer probably works better than Pulseaudio just for the fact that there's no plain text configuration files for the user to mess with | Sep 11 21:51 |
_Hicham_ | Windows Sound Mixer works better because all apps communicates with it | Sep 11 21:53 |
_Hicham_ | everything | Sep 11 21:53 |
_Hicham_ | it is part of Win32 API | Sep 11 21:53 |
DaemonFC | yes, Windows forces them to not be stupid and all do their own thing | Sep 11 21:53 |
_Hicham_ | http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-wacky-web-we-weave.html | Sep 11 21:54 |
_Hicham_ | who is the writer of this blog ? | Sep 11 21:54 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: iirc i've looked at a dmix setup guide and it involved writing a .conf file | Sep 11 21:54 |
_Hicham_ | who is this verofakto ? | Sep 11 21:54 |
_Hicham_ | is it u DaemonFC ? | Sep 11 21:54 |
DaemonFC | when the user has to worry about what application has a lock on the sound system, that's user abuse | Sep 11 21:54 |
DaemonFC | no modern OS should _ever_ let things get that fucked up | Sep 11 21:55 |
MinceR | the only time i've ever seen such a lock happen was when pulseaudio fucked things up | Sep 11 21:55 |
DaemonFC | in Windows, bypassing the mixer is possible, but you have to opt into that behavior | Sep 11 21:55 |
MinceR | because it gets around dmix by accessing the lowlevel api | Sep 11 21:55 |
DaemonFC | on Linux, some things use Pulseaudio, some things don't | Sep 11 21:55 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: same thing with alsa | Sep 11 21:55 |
MinceR | and no matter how much you rant, pulseaudio remains a badly written hackjob | Sep 11 21:55 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, I am not disagreeing with you | Sep 11 21:56 |
MinceR | ic | Sep 11 21:56 |
DaemonFC | to fix it you'd have to make it mandatory for every application | Sep 11 21:56 |
DaemonFC | and that's not going to happen | Sep 11 21:56 |
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MinceR | that's the same thing as forbidding windows apps from bypassing the mixer | Sep 11 21:57 |
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trmanco | _Hicham_: I'm on that list too | Sep 11 21:57 |
trmanco | don't care | Sep 11 21:57 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, As it stands, there are some well behaved apps that use it and the user never has to care about some obscure setting somewhere (Cheese, GNOME sound recorder, etc.) | Sep 11 21:57 |
DaemonFC | and some flagrantly misbehaving apps like VLC | Sep 11 21:57 |
_Hicham_ | trmanco : do u know that genious who wrote this stuff ? | Sep 11 21:57 |
MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio:unimportant) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcF_xX2DE8&feature=player_embedded | Sep 11 21:58 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, trying to go back and fix a clusterfuck 30 years in the making usually doesn't work | Sep 11 21:58 |
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DaemonFC | Windows has always had some kind of software mixer abilities | Sep 11 21:59 |
DaemonFC | so you never really run into any problems like this | Sep 11 22:00 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: then get an audigy2 and enjoy hardware mixing :> | Sep 11 22:00 |
MinceR | or write a driver that intercepts the lowlevel api and if anything outside alsa tries to talk to it, it gives them a nice SIGKILL | Sep 11 22:00 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, I probably should just get a dedicated card | Sep 11 22:01 |
DaemonFC | you're right | Sep 11 22:01 |
DaemonFC | got $100 I can borrow? | Sep 11 22:01 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : u r in the US and u can't get a $100 ? | Sep 11 22:01 |
_Hicham_ | it is like u r living in Ethiopia | Sep 11 22:02 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, It's kind of stupid that I should need to spend $100 just for that? | Sep 11 22:02 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: no, not for you | Sep 11 22:02 |
DaemonFC | then with my luck, I unbox it and Linux doesn't support it anyway | Sep 11 22:02 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: or you could avoid broken apps that screw with the insides of alsa? | Sep 11 22:03 |
DaemonFC | Linux just makes me want to go all mommy dearest on its ass | Sep 11 22:03 |
DaemonFC | seriously | Sep 11 22:03 |
DaemonFC | "NO MORE wire hangers!!!!!" | Sep 11 22:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Advocated Using an Allegory http://bit.ly/1522hT | Sep 11 22:04 | |
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DaemonFC | MinceR, You figure this would do it? | Sep 11 22:05 |
DaemonFC | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102007 | Sep 11 22:05 |
MinceR | x-fi has craptastic linux support, afaik | Sep 11 22:05 |
MinceR | thanks to creative | Sep 11 22:05 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, Didn't I see an X-Fi driver in 2.6.31? | Sep 11 22:06 |
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MinceR | i don't know | Sep 11 22:06 |
MinceR | there was some news about x-fi support but i didn't follow | Sep 11 22:07 |
MinceR | the way creative started the whole x-fi/linux issue made me stop caring | Sep 11 22:07 |
MinceR | "we are going to keep you in the dark and we are going to develop our own, fantastic, proprietary driver!" | Sep 11 22:07 |
MinceR | as if that situation wasn't bad enough regarding GPUs | Sep 11 22:08 |
_Hicham_ | 2.6.31 is a great release | Sep 11 22:08 |
_Hicham_ | I am liking it | Sep 11 22:08 |
DaemonFC | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cc72361481f00253f1e468ade5795427386d593 | Sep 11 22:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] why web development sucks: for a start, you need to write in *at least* six languages http://ff.im/-7XZkl six layers of hacks ... *shudder* | Sep 11 22:09 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Simply Simpler Than #Windows http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/codecs.html http://bit.ly/84KFE http://bit.ly/7E9Bd | Sep 11 22:09 | |
MinceR | DaemonFC: maybe creative got a clue and fixed the issue then. | Sep 11 22:09 |
MinceR | i can't really tell you more about x-fi, not having owned such a card. :) | Sep 11 22:10 |
DaemonFC | looks like the cheapest one that driver supports is $89.99 | Sep 11 22:10 |
DaemonFC | and I'm fresh out of PCI-E slots | Sep 11 22:11 |
DaemonFC | wonder if Newegg has any open box or refurbs | Sep 11 22:11 |
DaemonFC | I just want something good enough to do mixing without relying on software | Sep 11 22:12 |
MinceR | hm, there's one more thing beside pulseaudio that can break dmix -- that i know about | Sep 11 22:12 |
DaemonFC | beyond that I don't care | Sep 11 22:12 |
MinceR | using /dev/dsp might. | Sep 11 22:12 |
MinceR | very few apps use it nowadays though | Sep 11 22:12 |
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MinceR | also, there were news of a new "FUSE for character devices" thing that was said to be able to eventually solve this problem. | Sep 11 22:13 |
MinceR | maybe pulseaudio uses /dev/dsp too? i'm not sure. | Sep 11 22:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Preciso de contactar o RMS de Portugal | Sep 11 22:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Desktop #Windows Needs to Catch up with #GNU #Linux to be Adopted http://bit.ly/2Pne88 | Sep 11 22:14 | |
_Hicham_ | pulseaudio doesn't use /dev/dsp for sure | Sep 11 22:14 |
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DaemonFC | it's nice of Kubuntu to take a nice big shit on anyone with an integrated sound car | Sep 11 22:16 |
DaemonFC | *card | Sep 11 22:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat 's #KVM to Knock #Microsoft / #Citrix Xen Off the #Server ? http://bit.ly/fS42X http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/report ... | Sep 11 22:17 | |
MinceR | works for me | Sep 11 22:17 |
MinceR | (my home desktop box is still running kubuntu :) ) | Sep 11 22:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Still Makes #GNU #Linux a "Microsoft Operating System" http://bit.ly/763Yw #dell #fail | Sep 11 22:18 | |
DaemonFC | I may just keep tinkering with Pulseaudio on Kubuntu | Sep 11 22:19 |
DaemonFC | see if I can get it to do anything besides freeze up | Sep 11 22:19 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of #Chemistry -focused Applications for #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/HZGdK | Sep 11 22:33 | |
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dyfet | is registration broken? | Sep 11 22:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Minimalist #DesktopEnvironment and #WindowManager in Details http://bit.ly/qehCz http://bit.ly/nzJYq | Sep 11 22:38 | |
trmanco | dyfet: it was working a couple of days ago | Sep 11 22:38 |
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dyfet | i tried registering twice. It sent me a password, but when I try the uid/pw, wordpress says "no such user" | Sep 11 22:39 |
dyfet | trmanco: so the email part is working, but not login.... | Sep 11 22:40 |
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dyfet | trmanco: it comes back with "ERROR: Invalid username. Lost your password?" when using the userid & password as sent in email... | Sep 11 22:41 |
trmanco | that's strange | Sep 11 22:41 |
dyfet | trmanco: I agree :) | Sep 11 22:41 |
trmanco | ping schestowitz | Sep 11 22:41 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Gets Faster, Better, More Applications http://bit.ly/dz7gc http://bit.ly/t7w3r http://bit.ly/RKN55 | Sep 11 22:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill and Melinda Gates Finally Get It: They Fund a #GNU #Linux #Lab http://bit.ly/XEjFV | Sep 11 22:45 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Deliver Security Report http://www.awe.com/mark/blog/20090902.html | Sep 11 22:48 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS Delivers Weekly Report http://www.pclinuxonline.com/?p=251 | Sep 11 22:49 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Finds Faithful New Lovers http://bit.ly/5TQS5 http://bit.ly/3BV0g2 | Sep 11 22:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Derivative #moonOS 3 is #Review ed http://bit.ly/Zrj9f | Sep 11 22:57 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Impressed Before Release, More Goods Coming http://bit.ly/2S2xbF http://bit.ly/B67JS http://bit.ly/4EcHSB | Sep 11 22:59 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Manufacturer ( #INQ ) Goes with #Linux #Phones http://bit.ly/COkhO | Sep 11 23:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Already Still Beats #Vista7 (Not Existent Yet) on #Sub-notebooks http://bit.ly/ysEOW | Sep 11 23:05 | |
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schestowitz | dyfet: hey | Sep 11 23:12 |
schestowitz | What's up? | Sep 11 23:12 |
dyfet | hi | Sep 11 23:13 |
dyfet | just problems with registration :) | Sep 11 23:13 |
schestowitz | Did you ask #freenode? | Sep 11 23:15 |
schestowitz | Oh wait | Sep 11 23:16 |
dyfet | schestowitz: though I have noted you have found some of my recent blogs worth referencing :) | Sep 11 23:16 |
schestowitz | You mean in WordPress | Sep 11 23:16 |
dyfet | yes | Sep 11 23:16 |
schestowitz | dyfet: which blog? | Sep 11 23:16 |
dyfet | I think the Stallman paradox | Sep 11 23:16 |
schestowitz | Oh | Sep 11 23:17 |
dyfet | http://planet.gnu.org/gnutelephony/ I am surprised you didnt pick up the one about Mono :) | Sep 11 23:17 |
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schestowitz | I think I saw it | Sep 11 23:17 |
schestowitz | Wait... | Sep 11 23:17 |
schestowitz | I did... | Sep 11 23:17 |
schestowitz | I did link to RMS Paradox in several places | Sep 11 23:17 |
schestowitz | In WordPress, did you try resetting the password? | Sep 11 23:20 |
schestowitz | I could reset it from here, too | Sep 11 23:20 |
dyfet | It never let me in to do so :) | Sep 11 23:20 |
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dyfet | Cool...now it at least thinks my userid is valid :) | Sep 11 23:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sun 's #MySQL Connects to #OpenOffice.org http://bit.ly/VVU0O | Sep 11 23:23 | |
schestowitz | dyfet: clear cache | Sep 11 23:23 |
schestowitz | We did some caching recently. I led to some funnies at first, in the admin side | Sep 11 23:23 |
schestowitz | I needed to delete some browser cookies | Sep 11 23:23 |
dyfet | its treating me fairly now. Yeah, sometimes we all get curious surprises and interactions | Sep 11 23:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Free Operating Systems That Compete with #GNU #Linux Are Reviewed http://bit.ly/1vJXAm http://bit.ly/tiUHg | Sep 11 23:25 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Audio Production with #Free (Libre) Software Explained, More Funding Earned http://bit.ly/IteA9 | Sep 11 23:27 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #GIMP 2.8 and More #GNU #Linux #Graphics Applications http://bit.ly/Xh2Eb http://bit.ly/giiCc | Sep 11 23:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox #Extensions That Make It Fun http://bit.ly/13aToS http://bit.ly/R8eoB #foss #foxy | Sep 11 23:34 | |
schestowitz | dyfet: I posted http://planet.gnu.org/gnutelephony/?p=5 in two places (The Stallman Paradox) | Sep 11 23:35 |
schestowitz | It made FS Daily where I found it | Sep 11 23:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF / #GNU Starts Crowning #FreeSoftware Persons http://bit.ly/DTmXg | Sep 11 23:36 | |
dyfet | schestowitz: what did you think of http://planet.gnu.org/gnutelephony/?p=3 which touches upon everyone's favorite subject recently...? | Sep 11 23:36 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Classic Example of the Dangers and Agony of #Proprietary Software http://bit.ly/Hk8Ss #fail | Sep 11 23:41 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DRM and #IntellectualMonopolies Infect #Knowledge http://bit.ly/2mIVlO | Sep 11 23:50 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] German Pirate Party Surges in Popularity http://www.ipjur.com/blog2/index.php?/archives/114-German-Pirate-Party-Surging-To-3%25-Share-o ... | Sep 11 23:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Virtual Items Considers 'Property' Too http://bit.ly/ogWQG http://bit.ly/maMst | Sep 11 23:56 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company That Attacks Consumer Rights Calls Critics Un-American http://techdirt.com/articles/20090910/0251466148.shtml | Sep 11 23:58 | |
dyfet | With respect to Virtual Items...there is a definition of Irony :) | Sep 11 23:58 |
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