-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Machines Have Many Options for #QuickBoot with #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/oecmG | Sep 12 00:02 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE to Deliver the Latest #KDE4 on Stable #GNU #Ballnux Version http://bit.ly/3AgCL | Sep 12 00:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Codeplex Foundation = #Farce http://bit.ly/e7MWX http://bit.ly/14J2ML http://bit.ly/2m56vP http://bit.ly/AWJpg http://bit.ly/26GCn | Sep 12 00:09 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Dictionary Builder Promoted, Another One Fakes #Openess http://dictionary.k12opened.com/index.php http://bit.ly/2oLrK9 via @glynmoody | Sep 12 00:11 | |
cubezzz | hmmm got an interesting problem here | Sep 12 00:11 |
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cubezzz | basically I need a svg logo made | Sep 12 00:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple is 'Attacking' #Linux Phones Again http://bit.ly/EdKWg #isjobsevil | Sep 12 00:12 | |
cubezzz | maybe wikipedia has one | Sep 12 00:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BBC Worldwide Seemingly Corrupted by #Microsoft Influence http://bit.ly/3i1clm | Sep 12 00:15 | |
trmanco | svg logo of what | Sep 12 00:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's Draconian #Licences Lead to Scare, Uncertainty http://bit.ly/34KPeZ | Sep 12 00:18 | |
cubezzz | cbc | Sep 12 00:18 |
MinceR | Cypher Block Chaining? | Sep 12 00:21 |
cubezzz | no, Canadian Broadcasting Corp :) | Sep 12 00:22 |
trmanco | that's copyrighted, it might be hard to find | Sep 12 00:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Founder Blames Corporate Greed and #FUD for Issues http://www.undispatch.com/node/8867 | Sep 12 00:24 | |
cubezzz | I have permission | Sep 12 00:24 |
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cubezzz | I have permission to use the cbc logo, not sure if it's ok to use wikipedia's svg file | Sep 12 00:24 |
trmanco | cubezzz: wikipedia has one | Sep 12 00:25 |
trmanco | sort of | Sep 12 00:25 |
cubezzz | although it's just a circle surrounded by a bunch of partial circles | Sep 12 00:25 |
trmanco | right you mentioned that | Sep 12 00:25 |
*trmanco is sleepy | Sep 12 00:25 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Celebrates Wins in #Brazil http://bit.ly/UFo3s | Sep 12 00:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft's CEO Goes Totally Bonkers Again http://bit.ly/lV66x #ballmer #monkeyboy | Sep 12 00:27 | |
schestowitz | *Sigh | Sep 12 00:28 |
schestowitz | Finally. | Sep 12 00:28 |
schestowitz | Lots of news today... | Sep 12 00:28 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: I'll do Comes in the weekend | Sep 12 00:29 |
cubezzz | what did ballmer do this time? | Sep 12 00:29 |
cubezzz | ah, I see :) | Sep 12 00:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz of course jobs is evil! that's a feature! http://bit.ly/2UmvW #isjobsevil | Sep 12 00:30 | |
schestowitz | Ballmer helps Linux, cubezzz | Sep 12 00:30 |
cubezzz | how? :) | Sep 12 00:31 |
cubezzz | by being ridiculous? | Sep 12 00:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some people still appear to be spreading FUD about #KDE4 . They should really try the latest version beforehand. | Sep 12 00:31 | |
trmanco | schestowitz: using kde microblog? | Sep 12 00:33 |
trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9jp64/gpl_violator_lg_electronics_refuses_to_release/ | Sep 12 00:34 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @schestowitz: #Microsoft's CEO Goes Totally Bonkers Again http://bit.ly/lV66x #ballmer #monkeyboy | Sep 12 00:44 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: yes, it's great | Sep 12 00:44 |
schestowitz | I put two widgets | Sep 12 00:45 |
schestowitz | One for each microblog | Sep 12 00:45 |
trmanco | I didn't get it to work | Sep 12 00:45 |
schestowitz | It looks great, too. | Sep 12 00:45 |
schestowitz | There's a snag | Sep 12 00:45 |
schestowitz | Took me a few minutes | Sep 12 00:45 |
schestowitz | I'd use ping.fm only as a backup thing now | Sep 12 00:45 |
trmanco | the add account button or whatever button appears before you add any account did not disappear after I've added an account | Sep 12 00:46 |
trmanco | so I just installed choqok | Sep 12 00:46 |
trmanco | speedy client btw | Sep 12 00:46 |
schestowitz | trmanco: "configure" is there | Sep 12 00:48 |
schestowitz | That's OK | Sep 12 00:48 |
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trmanco | gn | Sep 12 00:55 |
schestowitz | nn | Sep 12 00:59 |
oiaohm | Hmm Linux is not there yet. | Sep 12 01:01 |
oiaohm | MS CEO is not threating to destroy Linux devices yet. | Sep 12 01:01 |
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schestowitz | Devices? | Sep 12 01:06 |
schestowitz | Linux is doing very well there | Sep 12 01:06 |
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schestowitz | http://twitter.com/cjadamscollier/statuses/3920250728 | Sep 12 01:08 |
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schestowitz | ^the troll we had here | Sep 12 01:08 |
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_goblin | who is cjadams? | Sep 12 01:24 |
_goblin | ah | Sep 12 01:24 |
_goblin | sorry, missed your other comment... | Sep 12 01:24 |
schestowitz | _goblin: did you see the Lynch video? | Sep 12 01:29 |
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_goblin | no.... | Sep 12 01:38 |
_goblin | what video? | Sep 12 01:38 |
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Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/DqUYUQmMQyM/IEEE-Approves-80211n-Wi-Fi-Standard | Sep 12 01:56 |
schestowitz | _goblin: hold on | Sep 12 01:56 |
Diablo-D3 | FIIIIIIINNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY | Sep 12 01:56 |
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schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/11/gnoblin-3-0-released/#tippingpoint | Sep 12 02:06 |
schestowitz | _goblin: see the above | Sep 12 02:06 |
Diablo-D3 | gnoblin? | Sep 12 02:06 |
schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/11/yahoo-will-no-longer-support-old-versions-of-messenger Yahoo! keeps shedding off life | Sep 12 02:06 |
schestowitz | g:noblin | Sep 12 02:07 |
schestowitz | goblijnx for moblin | Sep 12 02:07 |
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oiaohm | schestowitz: Been wondering on the site load thing. Old articals most likely could be locked from new comments and if there was some way to staticfy the existing comments by by database look up load there. | Sep 12 02:18 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: he is away | Sep 12 02:18 |
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oiaohm | O well opps. | Sep 12 02:19 |
_Hicham_ | oiaohm : u here ? | Sep 12 02:21 |
oiaohm | Yep | Sep 12 02:21 |
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_Hicham_ | oiaohm : did u test Mesa 7.6 ? | Sep 12 02:26 |
oiaohm | Not yet _Hicham_ | Sep 12 02:26 |
_Hicham_ | neither gallium-3D? | Sep 12 02:27 |
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oiaohm | nvidia card no point yet _Hicham_ | Sep 12 02:29 |
_Hicham_ | gallium isn't supporting nvidia ? | Sep 12 02:29 |
oiaohm | Open source driver for nvida is not far enough along to be usabled with gallium | Sep 12 02:31 |
_Hicham_ | radeon is quite usable i heard | Sep 12 02:33 |
_goblin | right, thats me done...goodnight all.. | Sep 12 02:45 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Before I finish for the night, join http://twitter.com/BrokenWindows_ help educate people to alternatives to #Microsoft #windows #vista #xp | Sep 12 02:52 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and thats me done. Goodnight all. | Sep 12 02:52 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Top 5 Firefox Add-Ons For Soccer Fans - FootieFox is AMAZING for football fans. http://tinyurl.com/modlsr | Sep 12 02:53 | |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: hi | Sep 12 03:07 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: hi | Sep 12 03:07 |
oiaohm | Hi sebsebseb | Sep 12 03:07 |
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twitter1 | funny. http://campustechnology.com/articles/2009/09/10/red-hat-funds-open-source-lab-in-new-gates-center.aspx | Sep 12 03:41 |
twitter1 | generally, Gates forbids free software in his gifts. | Sep 12 03:41 |
twitter1 | but I like this. Red Hat says, "Thanks for the building, Bill. Your old computers and software are out back, in the dumpster." | Sep 12 03:42 |
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DaemonFC | MinceR, I set up dmix | Sep 12 04:01 |
DaemonFC | and it works better than Pulseaudio could ever could | Sep 12 04:01 |
DaemonFC | *ever could that is | Sep 12 04:01 |
DaemonFC | I managed to beat VLC into submission with it | Sep 12 04:02 |
DaemonFC | Pulseaudio had me about ready to scream | Sep 12 04:04 |
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Will | Looks like someone has started a program to help with automating the creation of deb packages in Ubuntu: http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2009/06/create-ubuntu-packages-deb.html | Sep 12 05:09 |
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hicham_ | twitter1 : welcome back | Sep 12 05:11 |
twitter1 | thanks | Sep 12 05:11 |
twitter1 | I've been on the move tonight | Sep 12 05:12 |
DaemonFC | well, every time someone asks how to use VLC to stream AAC the thread gets shut down | Sep 12 05:12 |
DaemonFC | or some dumbass says "use Vorbis" | Sep 12 05:12 |
hicham_ | yes, use Vorbis | Sep 12 05:12 |
DaemonFC | can't | Sep 12 05:12 |
twitter1 | won't | Sep 12 05:12 |
hicham_ | why ? | Sep 12 05:12 |
DaemonFC | nothing understands it | Sep 12 05:12 |
hicham_ | yes, he won't | Sep 12 05:12 |
DaemonFC | Justin.tv only accepts AAC | Sep 12 05:13 |
twitter1 | kind of, well, dumbass. | Sep 12 05:13 |
DaemonFC | and the version of VLC on Ubuntu is crippled | Sep 12 05:13 |
hicham_ | of course it should be | Sep 12 05:13 |
DaemonFC | I can't seem to find a PPA with an uncrippled copy | Sep 12 05:14 |
DaemonFC | this is ridiculous | Sep 12 05:14 |
twitter1 | try Debian. | Sep 12 05:14 |
twitter1 | or at least "the universe" in Ubuntu | Sep 12 05:14 |
DaemonFC | now there's some bullshit | Sep 12 05:14 |
hicham_ | try medibuntu | Sep 12 05:14 |
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DaemonFC | medibuntu doesn't have an uncrippled copy of VLC | Sep 12 05:14 |
twitter1 | How, exactly, is your VLC "crippled"? | Sep 12 05:15 |
DaemonFC | the general consensus seems to be "We don't wanna" "It's too hard" and "use Vorbis" | Sep 12 05:15 |
DaemonFC | even when you can't use Vorbis | Sep 12 05:15 |
DaemonFC | twitter1, crippled in the sense of I can install VLC on Windows in about 3 seconds flat and I'd already be streaming by now | Sep 12 05:16 |
DaemonFC | but with Ubuntu I still haven't figured out why the damned thing won't just encode AAC | Sep 12 05:16 |
DaemonFC | I have the ffmpeg encoder for AAC | Sep 12 05:16 |
twitter1 | apt-get install vlc does not work for you? | Sep 12 05:16 |
twitter1 | why are you hung up on AAC? | Sep 12 05:17 |
DaemonFC | it's like talking to a wall | Sep 12 05:17 |
twitter1 | you could tell us why you love AAC .... | Sep 12 05:17 |
DaemonFC | I don't | Sep 12 05:17 |
DaemonFC | I need to use it | Sep 12 05:17 |
DaemonFC | Vorbis is unsupported by the site I'm trying to stream to | Sep 12 05:17 |
twitter1 | tell us about this site | Sep 12 05:18 |
DaemonFC | this is why 5 minutes on Linux has me begging for DirectSound and the real versions of the programs they mutilated | Sep 12 05:19 |
DaemonFC | http://apiwiki.justin.tv/mediawiki/index.php/Linux_Broadcasting_API | Sep 12 05:19 |
DaemonFC | it supports h.264 with AAC | Sep 12 05:20 |
Diablo-D3 | sp | Sep 12 05:20 |
Diablo-D3 | so | Sep 12 05:20 |
Diablo-D3 | I'd like to mention | Sep 12 05:20 |
DaemonFC | apparently Ubuntu broke VLC | Sep 12 05:20 |
Diablo-D3 | BFS is fucking awesome | Sep 12 05:20 |
DaemonFC | and is unwilling to fix it | Sep 12 05:20 |
DaemonFC | twitter1, Do you ever find yourself wanting to bang your head on the keyboard at moments like this when your distribution has chosen to be incompatible with the rest of the world for no reason? | Sep 12 05:21 |
twitter1 | no. those parts of the world do not interest me. | Sep 12 05:22 |
DaemonFC | 99% of it? | Sep 12 05:22 |
twitter1 | your world must be small | Sep 12 05:22 |
DaemonFC | I wonder what Linux these instructions are for | Sep 12 05:22 |
DaemonFC | cause I ran into the same religious crap on Mandriva too | Sep 12 05:22 |
DaemonFC | it says the instructions work on Ubuntu 9.04 | Sep 12 05:23 |
hicham_ | DaemonFC : Mandriva crippled VLC ? | Sep 12 05:23 |
DaemonFC | apparently | Sep 12 05:23 |
DaemonFC | Canonical also crippled the version of VLC for Windows they distributed on the "Open CD", back before they gave up on it | Sep 12 05:24 |
hicham_ | usually, Mandriva is less strict on free items | Sep 12 05:24 |
twitter1 | obnoxious patent laws should not be confused with "religious crap" | Sep 12 05:24 |
DaemonFC | they broke DVD playback | Sep 12 05:24 |
twitter1 | just get decss | Sep 12 05:24 |
hicham_ | DVD playback ? | Sep 12 05:24 |
hicham_ | it is libdvdcss | Sep 12 05:24 |
DaemonFC | hicham_, Yeah, they removed libdvdcss | Sep 12 05:24 |
hicham_ | no distro is hosting it | Sep 12 05:24 |
twitter1 | then you can use nice software like dvdbackup and be free of physical media and crap players. | Sep 12 05:24 |
DaemonFC | so if you installed the one from their CD, VLC was broken | Sep 12 05:24 |
hicham_ | too dangerous | Sep 12 05:24 |
DaemonFC | and if you isntalled the one from Videolan, it worked | Sep 12 05:25 |
twitter1 | US law prohibits distribution of decss | Sep 12 05:25 |
DaemonFC | and I care | Sep 12 05:25 |
twitter1 | right, videolan is located in a country with more sane laws. | Sep 12 05:25 |
twitter1 | so use their package, if you can. | Sep 12 05:25 |
hicham_ | in France | Sep 12 05:25 |
Diablo-D3 | US law actually doesnt give a fuck | Sep 12 05:25 |
hicham_ | or, compile VLC from source | Sep 12 05:26 |
DaemonFC | the same France that bans you from the internet if the music industry complains to your ISP? | Sep 12 05:26 |
Diablo-D3 | holywood is too scared shitless to try here | Sep 12 05:26 |
DaemonFC | or the France from the alternate universe? | Sep 12 05:26 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: oh, btw, that law isnt legal | Sep 12 05:26 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: the european union courts are extremely pissed at france. | Sep 12 05:26 |
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twitter1 | DMCA forbids decss distribution in the US. Do it and you get shut down quickly. | Sep 12 05:26 |
Diablo-D3 | twitter1: I dont think so tim. | Sep 12 05:26 |
DaemonFC | twitter1, That's assuming there is someone to sue | Sep 12 05:26 |
Diablo-D3 | vlc and mplayer both come with it inside the source | Sep 12 05:26 |
Diablo-D3 | I havent had to manually install libdecss for years now | Sep 12 05:27 |
DaemonFC | DMCA take downs only work if the file is hosted on a single server | Sep 12 05:27 |
twitter1 | why don't you two start your own distribution. I'd like it. | Sep 12 05:27 |
twitter1 | ha ha | Sep 12 05:27 |
_Hicham_ | because he can't | Sep 12 05:27 |
twitter1 | I can see that. | Sep 12 05:27 |
_Hicham_ | he is too scared to host it | Sep 12 05:27 |
DaemonFC | the world has to be so politically correct | Sep 12 05:28 |
DaemonFC | it's a disease | Sep 12 05:28 |
Diablo-D3 | DMCA fails to work when, oh I dunno, the magic css key is posted on the front page of digg. | Sep 12 05:28 |
DaemonFC | like when you go to the supermarket and there's 20 handy crapped spots | Sep 12 05:28 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 05:28 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu is being kind of like that | Sep 12 05:28 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: you know what I do? | Sep 12 05:28 |
Diablo-D3 | I park in them so handicapped people can make handicapped faces | Sep 12 05:28 |
twitter1 | have you tried this one yet, http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html | Sep 12 05:28 |
DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, say it with me | Sep 12 05:29 |
DaemonFC | handy crap | Sep 12 05:29 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 12 05:29 |
*Diablo-D3 smacks DaemonFC | Sep 12 05:29 | |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: go download dennis leary - asshole | Sep 12 05:29 |
_Hicham_ | there is the ppa | Sep 12 05:29 |
_Hicham_ | shouldn't be crippled | Sep 12 05:29 |
twitter1 | lol, -> deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main For a normal install, do: # apt-get update # apt-get install vlc libdvdcss2 | Sep 12 05:30 |
twitter1 | there you go. | Sep 12 05:30 |
DaemonFC | only goes as far as Jaunty | Sep 12 05:30 |
twitter1 | this goes to sid http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html | Sep 12 05:30 |
DaemonFC | what the hell? | Sep 12 05:31 |
DaemonFC | why not? | Sep 12 05:31 |
twitter1 | that's about as fresh as it gets. might be good for your streaming but I would not use it is as a desktop. | Sep 12 05:31 |
DaemonFC | what's one more broken Ubuntu install? | Sep 12 05:31 |
twitter1 | it's Debian. | Sep 12 05:31 |
twitter1 | I'd put it on an older machine. | Sep 12 05:31 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC is the crippled one in here | Sep 12 05:31 |
_Hicham_ | complaining for nothing | Sep 12 05:32 |
DaemonFC | handy crap | Sep 12 05:32 |
twitter1 | VLC is like that. | Sep 12 05:32 |
DaemonFC | word of the day | Sep 12 05:32 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPnv8UvKFzc | Sep 12 05:32 |
Diablo-D3 | its on youtube | Sep 12 05:33 |
Diablo-D3 | behold the epicness | Sep 12 05:33 |
_Hicham_ | everything is crap for DaemonFC | Sep 12 05:33 |
_Hicham_ | why not write ur own player ? | Sep 12 05:33 |
DaemonFC | I should probably name my Ubuntu spinoff "Everything you ever wanted from Ubuntu but were too afraid to ask for" | Sep 12 05:34 |
DaemonFC | and....stil broken | Sep 12 05:34 |
_Hicham_ | then download Super OS | Sep 12 05:36 |
_Hicham_ | http://hacktolive.org/wiki/Super_OS | Sep 12 05:37 |
_Hicham_ | that is a complete version of Ubuntu | Sep 12 05:37 |
_Hicham_ | like Mandriva One | Sep 12 05:37 |
_Hicham_ | but better for multimedai | Sep 12 05:37 |
_Hicham_ | *multimedia | Sep 12 05:37 |
DaemonFC | Packman repo probably doesn't break theirs | Sep 12 05:48 |
DaemonFC | but that's for OpenSuse | Sep 12 05:48 |
_Hicham_ | packman repo would slow yast a lot | Sep 12 05:48 |
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_Hicham_ | yast takes for ever to load it | Sep 12 05:48 |
DaemonFC | the strangest thing is that VLC on Ubuntu will play AAC | Sep 12 05:48 |
DaemonFC | it just won't encode it | Sep 12 05:48 |
DaemonFC | so you know it's not about the patents | Sep 12 05:48 |
DaemonFC | I highly suspect someone out there with a vendetta has just sabotaged it | Sep 12 05:49 |
DaemonFC | it just doesn't make sense | Sep 12 05:49 |
DaemonFC | decoding of AAC alone trips all over the patents anyway | Sep 12 05:49 |
DaemonFC | why only break the encoder? | Sep 12 05:50 |
_Hicham_ | why not compile it ? | Sep 12 05:50 |
_Hicham_ | how much time would it take ? | Sep 12 05:51 |
_Hicham_ | one hour ? | Sep 12 05:51 |
_Hicham_ | and ur done | Sep 12 05:51 |
_Hicham_ | without whining | Sep 12 05:51 |
_Hicham_ | that is linux | Sep 12 05:51 |
_Hicham_ | u have the source | Sep 12 05:51 |
_Hicham_ | u can everything u want with it | Sep 12 05:51 |
twitter1 | bu bu busted http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ned=us&topic=t&ncl=dWo3QzUKwHZjV6METXBRgY9LjL4_M | Sep 12 05:52 |
twitter1 | I do wish they would be more specific than " hacking into the systems" | Sep 12 05:57 |
twitter1 | thousands of articles have been wasted on this subject, none of them has mentioned specifics. | Sep 12 05:58 |
_Hicham_ | this one looks like u twitter1 | Sep 12 05:59 |
twitter1 | heh. I'm trying to comment, but the site chokes Konq | Sep 12 05:59 |
twitter1 | looks like another windoze only captha | Sep 12 06:00 |
twitter1 | flash trash all over iceweasel | Sep 12 06:01 |
twitter1 | could not put in name or title, but it ate the comment | Sep 12 06:02 |
DaemonFC | so are there any sites that don't require flash or nonfree codecs? | Sep 12 06:02 |
DaemonFC | I've looked around | Sep 12 06:02 |
twitter1 | the same sites are much nicer without a flash plugin in konq | Sep 12 06:03 |
DaemonFC | so freedom to do what? | Sep 12 06:03 |
DaemonFC | burn electricity with a computer that doesn't do anything? | Sep 12 06:04 |
twitter1 | read the articles in peace | Sep 12 06:04 |
twitter1 | keeps me from wanting to bash my head against a keyboard, like some people around here. | Sep 12 06:04 |
twitter1 | he he. M$ wants to be the open source go to. http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&ned=us&topic=t&ncl=dPzPRSNo7YCBU4MZVMZpbf3N-78bM | Sep 12 06:06 |
twitter1 | Codeplex. Ha ha. | Sep 12 06:07 |
twitter1 | Headed by Duke Nukem Forever dude http://cms.sys-con.com/node/1103137 | Sep 12 06:07 |
twitter1 | did they mean to step into that tired meme? | Sep 12 06:08 |
_Hicham_ | don't u like codeplex ? | Sep 12 06:09 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : just go back to XP | Sep 12 06:10 |
_Hicham_ | u d feel much better | Sep 12 06:10 |
DaemonFC | I'd get more done | Sep 12 06:10 |
DaemonFC | why does Ubuntu have to introduce artificial limitations? | Sep 12 06:11 |
_Hicham_ | to be ok with the law | Sep 12 06:11 |
_Hicham_ | MS pays a lot of patents to deliver the experience u have on Windows | Sep 12 06:12 |
twitter1 | A M$ sponsored Open Source site? What's not to like about that? It's like someone put sugar in my fly shit. | Sep 12 06:13 |
_Hicham_ | yes | Sep 12 06:13 |
_Hicham_ | If u host a project on this site, u d receive a version of MS Visual Studio for free | Sep 12 06:13 |
twitter1 | I'd rather stick with sugar from reputable organizations that might, by accident, get a little fly shit in them. | Sep 12 06:14 |
twitter1 | Woot. Visual Studio!!!!!1111 | Sep 12 06:14 |
_Hicham_ | yes | Sep 12 06:14 |
_Hicham_ | Visual Studio | Sep 12 06:14 |
_Hicham_ | so that u can develop easily | Sep 12 06:14 |
twitter1 | It sucked 10 years ago. | Sep 12 06:14 |
twitter1 | I have not needed it since. | Sep 12 06:14 |
_Hicham_ | Visual Studio 6.0 ? | Sep 12 06:15 |
twitter1 | Why would I need any of it after 10 years of freedom and decent code? | Sep 12 06:15 |
twitter1 | I mostly use kate, kdbg and gcc. It's easy and it works. There's so much free software out there, I don't need VC robocoding bloat for me. | Sep 12 06:16 |
zlg | FOSS does have some good development chains, especially in uP and embedded | Sep 12 06:16 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror is pretty lame anyway | Sep 12 06:17 |
twitter1 | If I want to get fancy, I can use kdevelop, but I've never felt the need. | Sep 12 06:17 |
DaemonFC | Kubuntu would have Firefox if they could get it to fit on the disc | Sep 12 06:17 |
twitter1 | DaemonFC Distro will have both on a floppy. | Sep 12 06:17 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror still fails to render a lot of sites | Sep 12 06:17 |
twitter1 | Look, a picture of real astroturf -> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4817 | Sep 12 06:18 |
DaemonFC | I just get Opera cause at least I don't have to drag in half of GNOME just to get it | Sep 12 06:19 |
twitter1 | there's been an attack on Konq 3.5, lots of ugly java script, but it's mostly from old media and crap sites. | Sep 12 06:19 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : Opera is better than Firefox ? | Sep 12 06:19 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Yes | Sep 12 06:19 |
DaemonFC | Firefox on Kubuntu has the strangest dependencies | Sep 12 06:19 |
twitter1 | the 4 branch solves most of the problems very well. | Sep 12 06:19 |
DaemonFC | I think they are smoking crack | Sep 12 06:20 |
_Hicham_ | in which way ? | Sep 12 06:20 |
DaemonFC | cause it even drags in Synaptic | Sep 12 06:20 |
_Hicham_ | Firefox depends on GNOME | Sep 12 06:20 |
_Hicham_ | normal | Sep 12 06:20 |
DaemonFC | Seamonkey is less than half the size of Firefox if you install it in Kubuntu | Sep 12 06:20 |
_Hicham_ | there have been a lot of collaboration between them | Sep 12 06:20 |
DaemonFC | Firefox has a lot of weird, non-firefox related dependencies | Sep 12 06:20 |
_Hicham_ | Gecko have been adopted for years by gnome | Sep 12 06:20 |
_Hicham_ | Firefox depends on GTK | Sep 12 06:21 |
_Hicham_ | and Gnome-VFS | Sep 12 06:21 |
DaemonFC | anyway, brb | Sep 12 06:21 |
_Hicham_ | Gnome-VFS brings all of gnome | Sep 12 06:21 |
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_Hicham_ | twitter1 : do u use Konqueror-Webkit ? | Sep 12 06:21 |
twitter1 | don't know | Sep 12 06:22 |
_Hicham_ | twitter1 : it should be mentioned in the about box | Sep 12 06:23 |
twitter1 | I use what comes with Lenny. I doubt they ship webkit. | Sep 12 06:24 |
twitter1 | lotta trolling comes up in google on that one. ick | Sep 12 06:25 |
twitter1 | I doubt Apple can keep up with KDE proper. KDE excellence was why Apple went to KDE in the first place. | Sep 12 06:26 |
_Hicham_ | Apple went to KHTML because it was lightweight | Sep 12 06:29 |
_Hicham_ | just a rendering engine | Sep 12 06:29 |
_Hicham_ | not more | Sep 12 06:29 |
twitter1 | "BSD-Style" licensing. Very stylish of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webkit | Sep 12 06:29 |
_Hicham_ | Mozilla's Gecko is a pain when it comes to embedding it in other apps | Sep 12 06:29 |
_Hicham_ | it keeps breaking | Sep 12 06:30 |
twitter1 | I would think khtml would be easy for that ... | Sep 12 06:30 |
_Hicham_ | now Mozilla changed their policy | Sep 12 06:30 |
_Hicham_ | and is proposing a stable API | Sep 12 06:30 |
_Hicham_ | to attract people | Sep 12 06:30 |
_Hicham_ | still, xulrunner is very difficult to use | Sep 12 06:30 |
_Hicham_ | compared to Webkit | Sep 12 06:30 |
twitter1 | If Apple wanted people to use Webkit, they would GPL it. | Sep 12 06:31 |
_Hicham_ | People are using Webkit | Sep 12 06:31 |
_Hicham_ | Gnome is moving to Webkit | Sep 12 06:32 |
_Hicham_ | by GNOME 2.28, there is a high probability that there won't be any dependence on Mozilla's code | Sep 12 06:32 |
twitter1 | It's hard to tell if Apple is playing nicely yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webkit#Controversy | Sep 12 06:33 |
twitter1 | Miguel is moving to IE8.... | Sep 12 06:34 |
twitter1 | anyway, I'm happy with Konq the way it is. | Sep 12 06:34 |
_Hicham_ | I am moving to IE9 | Sep 12 06:35 |
twitter1 | the 4 branch is moving along nicely. kudos to Apple if any of their changes were improvements that made it back into khtml, but it's just a few extra developers in the big picture. | Sep 12 06:35 |
_Hicham_ | are u using the 4 branch ? | Sep 12 06:36 |
twitter1 | I'm using EIEIO. | Sep 12 06:36 |
twitter1 | Yes, I have 4.2 from Lenny. | Sep 12 06:36 |
twitter1 | Works nice | Sep 12 06:36 |
twitter1 | but I don't use the desktop, just Konq and a few other apps. | Sep 12 06:36 |
_Hicham_ | and the rest is which desktop ? | Sep 12 06:38 |
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twitter1 | ha ha. Sweaty B "stomps" M$ employee iPhone. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/11/ballmer_iphone_bing_win_7_ad/ | Sep 12 07:20 |
twitter1 | kids "brainwashed" and forbidden to have iPods and now employees ridiculed for having iPhone. | Sep 12 07:20 |
twitter1 | I'm sure he'd hate my laptop with it's GNU stickers. | Sep 12 07:21 |
twitter1 | Good thing I don't work for him. | Sep 12 07:21 |
cubezzz | well, when I buy a used laptop I remove the windows stickers :) | Sep 12 07:22 |
twitter1 | Yes, those things are ugly. | Sep 12 07:22 |
twitter1 | stomp happened at the last M$ Youth Rally at Safeco Field, home to the Seattle Mariners | Sep 12 07:23 |
twitter1 | nice http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/11/ce-oh-no-he-didnt-part-lxii-steve-ballmer-publicly-ridicules/ | Sep 12 07:24 |
twitter1 | -> Apparently, the hapless employee (allegedly from the Windows group) was trying to snap a photo of his boss when Ballmer grabbed the device and made some "funny comments" met by boos and jeers from Microsoft's employees. Steve then set it on the ground and pretended to stomp on it before walking away -- later teasing the employee during his presentation by noting that he hadn't forgotten him. Good times, we're sure | Sep 12 07:25 |
twitter1 | I'm sure the employee was not forgotten. | Sep 12 07:25 |
Eruaran | rofl | Sep 12 07:26 |
cubezzz | there's quite a bit of anti-microsoft sentiment online and around the world | Sep 12 07:26 |
Eruaran | That story should appear on FailBlog under the heading of "CEO Fail" | Sep 12 07:26 |
twitter1 | all of it well earned, cubezzz | Sep 12 07:27 |
twitter1 | Ballmer SMASH iPhone with big Bong 2 | Sep 12 07:28 |
twitter1 | Oh my, -> The scene was visible on the big screen, so even people in the upper deck could see what was happening. | Sep 12 07:29 |
twitter1 | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/09/ballmer_spots_microsoft_employee_with_iphone_at_company_meeting.html | Sep 12 07:29 |
cubezzz | true | Sep 12 07:29 |
twitter1 | very public humiliation. | Sep 12 07:29 |
cubezzz | I do maintainance for a company that has 6 computers, 3 windows and 3 linux | Sep 12 07:30 |
cubezzz | it's always the windows boxes that mess up | Sep 12 07:30 |
twitter1 | of course | Sep 12 07:30 |
twitter1 | dog food | Sep 12 07:30 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: KDE just issued an "upgrade" for Amarok that now tells you you have to pay for Last FM | Sep 12 07:31 |
DaemonFC | even though it works fine with their last version | Sep 12 07:31 |
DaemonFC | nice of KDE to be the DRM enforcers for Last FM | Sep 12 07:32 |
twitter1 | have I shared this yet, http://bayimg.com/OadcdaaCn | Sep 12 07:34 |
DaemonFC | being locked out is one thing, voluntarily sellingyour users out is another | Sep 12 07:34 |
twitter1 | keep using the last version until you are locked out. | Sep 12 07:35 |
DaemonFC | I already upgraded | Sep 12 07:35 |
twitter1 | There's enough radio out there that I don't need lastfm | Sep 12 07:35 |
DaemonFC | they trojaned in the latest Amarok posing as an upgrade | Sep 12 07:35 |
twitter1 | oh well, thanks for the warning. | Sep 12 07:35 |
twitter1 | you might check your local packages in /var/cache/apt/archive to see if you have the last version still | Sep 12 07:36 |
cubezzz | plenty of other media players for linux | Sep 12 07:38 |
twitter1 | this idiot, writing for the WSJ, thinks the humiliated employee deserved what he got http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/09/11/ballmers-guide-to-iphone-usage-at-microsoft/ | Sep 12 07:39 |
twitter1 | memorize the talking points, you will be quizzed ! | Sep 12 07:40 |
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twitter1 | lol, "sucking the life out of the stadium" -> http://www.pcworld.com/article/171831/microsofts_ballmer_flogged_over_company_meeting_messages.html | Sep 12 07:47 |
twitter1 | Oh, more fun. 20,000 Microsoft Youth at the rally jammed AT&T's cellular network. iPhone overload! | Sep 12 07:48 |
twitter1 | MiniMicrosoft has good news => On the up side, Mini-Microsoft said he was surprised to hear COO Kevin Turner, who opened the meeting, admit that the company had over hired. | Sep 12 07:51 |
twitter1 | LOL, too many employees is good news. | Sep 12 07:51 |
twitter1 | Gotta keep the executive bonus up! | Sep 12 07:52 |
twitter1 | so little time, so much fail | Sep 12 07:53 |
DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/kde-starts-enforcing-last-fms-paywall-in-amarok-2-1-80/ | Sep 12 07:54 |
DaemonFC | "It’s sad that KDE is continuing to support a service which is now coated in server side paywalls and DRM. It would be nice if they stuck to free software ideals just chose to remove the Last.FM plugin and salt the Earth of these parasites. Oh well." | Sep 12 07:54 |
oiaohm | How do you think amarok gets funding. | Sep 12 07:55 |
twitter1 | I did not think funding was required | Sep 12 07:56 |
twitter1 | Remove last.fm yourself. | Sep 12 07:57 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: Doesn't this remind you of the kind of parasiteware that tags along in Windows Media Player and wants your credit card number? | Sep 12 07:57 |
twitter1 | I don't know, have not seen it. "Internet Radio" has been crushed and I no longer expect decent things from the US. | Sep 12 07:58 |
twitter1 | good internet radio may still come from abroad | Sep 12 07:58 |
twitter1 | it would be better if you spent your time protesting the stupid laws that have gotten us to this point. | Sep 12 07:58 |
twitter1 | always nice to look at these, http://bayimg.com/CAAmOaAbE http://bayimg.com/CaAMPaaBE | Sep 12 07:59 |
DaemonFC | the official Last.FM client still works | Sep 12 08:00 |
twitter1 | idiot Sarkozi actually does something right, even if it is just a tax, http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-jul-oct.html#11 September 2009 (France wants to lead world in cutting carbon emmissions) | Sep 12 08:12 |
twitter1 | France can afford to do that because they have lots of nuclear power and reprocessing | Sep 12 08:13 |
twitter1 | Ugh. "Upgrading" Vista to Vista 7 can take all day! http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-upgrade-to-windows-7-can-take-up-to-a-day.ars | Sep 12 08:15 |
twitter1 | worst upgrade ever! | Sep 12 08:15 |
tessier | Reprocessing is brilliant. | Sep 12 08:15 |
tessier | twitter1: It takes a long time to upload all of your personal info to Microsoft. | Sep 12 08:15 |
tessier | Especially if you have lots of pr0n. | Sep 12 08:15 |
twitter1 | reprocessing is smart, but it is expensive. In the short run, it was cheaper to do it like the US did. Now we have all of this depleted uranium sitting around ... what to do? Make dumb bombs. It can't get dumber than that. | Sep 12 08:17 |
twitter1 | Only M$ could suck this hard -> Microsoft really did time an upgrade that took 20 hours and 20 minutes. That's with 650GB of data, 40 applications, on mid-end hardware, and during a 32-bit upgrade. We don't even want to know how long it would take if Microsoft had bothered doing the same test with low-end hardware. | Sep 12 08:18 |
twitter1 | WTF does all of your data have to do with upgrade time. Can't they just leave the /home partition alone? ;-) | Sep 12 08:19 |
twitter1 | Is 40 applications really a lot in the Windows world? | Sep 12 08:20 |
twitter1 | poverty | Sep 12 08:20 |
twitter1 | like a bowl of rice a day poverty | Sep 12 08:20 |
twitter1 | and it takes 20 hours to cook the bowl of rice. | Sep 12 08:21 |
twitter1 | Wow, just Wow. | Sep 12 08:21 |
DaemonFC | it only took me about half an hour to install Windows 7 | Sep 12 08:21 |
DaemonFC | upgrading an OS on top of an earlier version brings problems, that's not jsut a Windows thing | Sep 12 08:22 |
DaemonFC | you're always better off installing clean | Sep 12 08:22 |
twitter1 | or just wiping windows | Sep 12 08:23 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror still sucks :D | Sep 12 08:23 |
twitter1 | You can always run IE6 in Wine, DaemonFC | Sep 12 08:24 |
twitter1 | Just make a backup for .wine for when IE gets hosed. | Sep 12 08:25 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: Konqueror is the buggist browser I think I've ever seen | Sep 12 08:25 |
DaemonFC | *buggiest | Sep 12 08:25 |
twitter1 | everything is buggy for you | Sep 12 08:26 |
DaemonFC | implementation gaps | Sep 12 08:26 |
DaemonFC | nobody seems to mind them in open source | Sep 12 08:26 |
twitter1 | I never seem to notice like you do. | Sep 12 08:27 |
DaemonFC | open source is like that old joke where the guy goes to the doctor and says "It hurts when I move my arm like this" and the doctor replies "Then don't move your arm like that" | Sep 12 08:27 |
DaemonFC | it's like everytime something doesn't work at all, you're supposed to just give up ever tryingto use that feature ever again | Sep 12 08:27 |
DaemonFC | doesn't that ever get old? | Sep 12 08:28 |
DaemonFC | doesn't swiss cheese gaps in features ever bother you? | Sep 12 08:29 |
DaemonFC | then comes the "It was free, so you can't complain" retort | Sep 12 08:30 |
DaemonFC | the analogy for that might be getting a house for free that was condemned | Sep 12 08:30 |
schestowitz | Wow. Great footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba-nwG7Xu50&feature=related | Sep 12 08:30 |
DaemonFC | I really hate to say it, but Linux is 10 years behind in voice and video over IP | Sep 12 08:31 |
DaemonFC | I remember effortlessly using VOIP on Windows 98 | Sep 12 08:31 |
DaemonFC | if that's a gauge, I should get Ustream in Linux around 2020 | Sep 12 08:32 |
schestowitz | What's my cousin doing uploading videos..? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Oxy2NUy_c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hucFg1x9n7U&NR=1 | Sep 12 08:33 |
DaemonFC | I was evaluating one of those Zonbu Linux operating systems like what they put on their cheap little "net top" systems | Sep 12 08:33 |
DaemonFC | I noticed they were careful to put Skype icons all over the place | Sep 12 08:33 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 12 08:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: What protocols does Kopete work with regarding webcam? I noticed it has a setup screen for your webcam | Sep 12 08:34 |
DaemonFC | but it doesn't work over WLM | Sep 12 08:34 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: haven'\t tried it | Sep 12 08:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-7YWYXG22U | Sep 12 08:43 |
schestowitz | SO weird what one can find on YouTube.. | Sep 12 08:45 |
twitter1 | Slashdot has changed their submissions page and it sucks. | Sep 12 08:47 |
twitter1 | You can't chose a link for your name anymore... instead it uses your email. | Sep 12 08:48 |
twitter1 | All the recent stories have people's email instead of a link. | Sep 12 08:48 |
twitter1 | That's called Vista -> DaemonFC: the analogy for that might be getting a house for free that was condemned | Sep 12 08:49 |
twitter1 | DeamonFC, ever the troll. | Sep 12 08:50 |
DaemonFC | it would be nice if they really did port all of KDE to Windows | Sep 12 08:52 |
DaemonFC | I've built it through Cygwin before | Sep 12 08:52 |
twitter1 | Well, that does it for me. Slashdot can fix submissions or go to hell. | Sep 12 08:53 |
twitter1 | The trolls get their wish. I'm out of there rather than have my email published. | Sep 12 08:53 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: You can just make disposable Gmail accounts | Sep 12 08:53 |
DaemonFC | one for each of your hundred personalities | Sep 12 08:54 |
twitter1 | nope, that's not good enough for me. | Sep 12 08:54 |
twitter1 | and I never had hundreds, like your friends at WE and M$. | Sep 12 08:54 |
twitter1 | just a few, to prove the point | Sep 12 08:54 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: You use the same methods they do | Sep 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | how does that make you better? | Sep 12 08:55 |
twitter1 | it's what they do with the methods that count, DaemonFC. | Sep 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: You're still defrauding people | Sep 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | so you're no better | Sep 12 08:55 |
twitter1 | They lie, slander and censor. I tell the truth and evade censorship. If you can't tell the difference, I suggest you get a better moral compass. | Sep 12 08:56 |
DaemonFC | you lie, slander, and censor | Sep 12 08:56 |
DaemonFC | so what's the difference? | Sep 12 08:56 |
twitter1 | what lie have I ever told? | Sep 12 08:57 |
twitter1 | who have I censored? | Sep 12 08:57 |
twitter1 | slander is a malicious lie, told to damage. I have never done that. | Sep 12 08:57 |
DaemonFC | well, signing up for 100 accounts on Slashdot with the purpose of trying to make your side of the argument more "populated" is akin to lying | Sep 12 08:57 |
DaemonFC | it's deceitful and dishonest | Sep 12 08:57 |
twitter1 | no, it's not. | Sep 12 08:57 |
DaemonFC | it's up there | Sep 12 08:57 |
twitter1 | I told everyone that I was doing it before I did it. | Sep 12 08:58 |
twitter1 | years before I did it. | Sep 12 08:58 |
twitter1 | :) | Sep 12 08:58 |
twitter1 | you will have to find a better example of lying than that | Sep 12 08:58 |
twitter1 | I'm waiting ..... | Sep 12 08:58 |
DaemonFC | well, if your cause is jsut, you shouldn't have to resort to misrepresenting yourselves to get it across | Sep 12 08:59 |
DaemonFC | *just | Sep 12 08:59 |
twitter1 | if my cause is just, I'm bullet proof too? Bullshit. | Sep 12 08:59 |
DaemonFC | you're still deceiving people | Sep 12 09:00 |
twitter1 | Astroturfers burried twitter to the point of invisiblity. | Sep 12 09:00 |
DaemonFC | which shows that you know you're wrong | Sep 12 09:00 |
twitter1 | not at all. | Sep 12 09:00 |
DaemonFC | jsut because you have to do it | Sep 12 09:00 |
twitter1 | What it shows is that your have nothing better to assail me with, other than trying to escape censorship. Pathetic, troll. | Sep 12 09:00 |
DaemonFC | you troll Slashdot | Sep 12 09:01 |
DaemonFC | and try to pass yourself off as people they haven't banned yet | Sep 12 09:01 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 09:01 |
DaemonFC | so you can lie about anyone you have an axe to grind over | Sep 12 09:01 |
twitter1 | show me a lie, ass. | Sep 12 09:02 |
DaemonFC | make it seem more credible because there's "so many of", well, you | Sep 12 09:02 |
DaemonFC | that say the same thing | Sep 12 09:02 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 09:02 |
twitter1 | you are repeating yourself. | Sep 12 09:03 |
twitter1 | but it's not getting any better. | Sep 12 09:03 |
DaemonFC | yeah, at least I'm using the same identity while doing it I guess | Sep 12 09:03 |
DaemonFC | better than some people | Sep 12 09:03 |
twitter1 | I'm sure you are well paid for this. | Sep 12 09:03 |
DaemonFC | for what? | Sep 12 09:04 |
twitter1 | perhaps not that well paid, but better than your skill set warrants | Sep 12 09:04 |
twitter1 | paid to troll and harass, that's what. | Sep 12 09:04 |
DaemonFC | maybe they should pay you | Sep 12 09:04 |
DaemonFC | you make more of an effort after all | Sep 12 09:04 |
DaemonFC | tell you what I'll do | Sep 12 09:05 |
DaemonFC | I'll get in touch with my superiors at Area 51 | Sep 12 09:05 |
DaemonFC | and we'll see if we can make you a deputy or something | Sep 12 09:05 |
twitter1 | eh, some clerk at WE will sooner serve you a pink slip. | Sep 12 09:06 |
twitter1 | M$ is running low on money these days. | Sep 12 09:06 |
twitter1 | and their trolling efforts have not helped much. mostly backfired. | Sep 12 09:06 |
twitter1 | their insistence on "mind control" and invading channels of communication are really obnoxious | Sep 12 09:07 |
twitter1 | the more they make things suck, the more people hate them and escape | Sep 12 09:07 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NicholasNegroponte Blames “Giants Who View Children As a Market” http://bit.ly/1RJhuY #olpc #greed | Sep 12 09:14 | |
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DaemonFC | twitter1: http://lunduke.com/?p=429 | Sep 12 09:53 |
schestowitz | Don't link to anti-Linux sites... | Sep 12 09:58 |
DaemonFC | it's the truth | Sep 12 09:59 |
schestowitz | Nope, it's attention-seeking FUD | Sep 12 09:59 |
schestowitz | I wrote about this at the time | Sep 12 09:59 |
schestowitz | He's a Windows user | Sep 12 09:59 |
DaemonFC | I want to kill whenever I have to make my laptop work with a projector | Sep 12 09:59 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: But around 7:15, he really starts talking about what really pisses me off | Sep 12 10:01 |
DaemonFC | so after like 7 minutes of screwing around trying to get the projector to work, he starts talking about the audio stack | Sep 12 10:01 |
Omar87 | Hi | Sep 12 10:03 |
DaemonFC | it's absolutely right, when you have three or four sound servers that people use and two completely different multimedia frameworks, and some applications that don't even use the sound server and bypass it and lock it up and everything that is trying to make sound ends up in a pile up | Sep 12 10:05 |
DaemonFC | well, it's a disaster is what it is | Sep 12 10:05 |
DaemonFC | so Linux and audio are like an eight lane highway with no direction markers | Sep 12 10:06 |
DaemonFC | then when you have to deal with crippled versions of programs like VLC that become worthless to you because someone has a vendetta against AAC and that's all that Justin.tv understands, you end up like me | Sep 12 10:07 |
DaemonFC | because after I spent several hours trying to figure out how to get VLC to capture my microphone to begin with, it takes a shit on me and tells me it has no AAC encoder | Sep 12 10:08 |
DaemonFC | which is just unreasonable | Sep 12 10:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest Wins for #OpenDocument #Format http://ping.fm/Ra9te #odf | Sep 12 10:10 | |
DaemonFC | the workarounds in Compiz that he mentions are in plain sight when you use CCSM to configure it | Sep 12 10:10 |
DaemonFC | the plugins are represented by a bandaid | Sep 12 10:11 |
DaemonFC | some of them are scattered around though | Sep 12 10:11 |
DaemonFC | there's workarounds that hack around GNOME stupidity, there's workarounds for X stupidity, there's workarounds for Wine bugs | Sep 12 10:11 |
DaemonFC | and they don't always work | Sep 12 10:11 |
schestowitz | I must be doing something wrong | Sep 12 10:11 |
schestowitz | AUdio just works for me | Sep 12 10:11 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: if you want to befriend those Windows users who mock Linux, then fine, go to Bryan | Sep 12 10:12 |
schestowitz | Don't bring it here, please | Sep 12 10:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: that's what horrifies me about Ubuntu and GNOME | Sep 12 10:12 |
DaemonFC | they're centering around the worst ways to do everything | Sep 12 10:12 |
DaemonFC | Pulseaudio and Compiz Fusion | Sep 12 10:12 |
schestowitz | KDE has it all built in | Sep 12 10:12 |
schestowitz | Desktop effect and sounds system | Sep 12 10:13 |
schestowitz | *sound | Sep 12 10:13 |
schestowitz | They give it new names too | Sep 12 10:13 |
schestowitz | And it's there in the panel well integrated with everything | Sep 12 10:13 |
schestowitz | brb | Sep 12 10:13 |
schestowitz | I need to make posts | Sep 12 10:13 |
DaemonFC | Kwin is much faster and lighter, and less problematic than Compiz Fusion because it was designed to work with KDE | Sep 12 10:13 |
DaemonFC | not tacked on after the fact by an outside group | Sep 12 10:13 |
DaemonFC | if more things on Linux worked that way, it would be great | Sep 12 10:14 |
DaemonFC | if more Linux distributions made the choice to feature things like that by default, it would be great | Sep 12 10:14 |
DaemonFC | but I am so not a fan of what Ubuntu and all these other GNOME distributions are doing right now because it just amount to working aorund and trying to cover up a rotten system underneath | Sep 12 10:15 |
DaemonFC | it's gotten to the point that they really can't hide it anymore | Sep 12 10:16 |
DaemonFC | Compiz and Pulseaudio amount to buckets under a leaking roof being marketed as features | Sep 12 10:17 |
DaemonFC | again @ 15:30 | Sep 12 10:25 |
DaemonFC | If there's only going to be one package, it's going to be an Ubuntu package | Sep 12 10:26 |
DaemonFC | lmao "Unfortunately, not all of us can buy a $7,000 HP workstation + a $4,000 license to sit and edit our home movies" | Sep 12 10:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Where #Apple Resembles #Microsoft http://ping.fm/gC9GJ | Sep 12 10:32 | |
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Wodenhelm | Greetings | Sep 12 10:34 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I do like most of KDE 4.3 | Sep 12 10:35 |
DaemonFC | the one area of weakness I still see is Kopete | Sep 12 10:35 |
DaemonFC | it's becoming the Pidgin of KDE rapidly | Sep 12 10:35 |
DaemonFC | it used to support audio/video chat on MSN, on Yahoo, and it doesn't now | Sep 12 10:36 |
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DaemonFC | so in some ways, the KDE desktop is actually regressing in features, and the people that could be fixing things that people care about, like that, are making microblogging widgets | Sep 12 10:36 |
DaemonFC | and four different application menus | Sep 12 10:37 |
DaemonFC | they have a great platform, but that doesn't help the user directly | Sep 12 10:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows 7 parties - Theres a special one planed by some people I know. They have applied, I wonder if Microsoft will work out who they are? | Sep 12 10:38 | |
Wodenhelm | Yeah, an app isnt much without functionality... | Sep 12 10:38 |
Eruaran | make a contribution | Sep 12 10:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I don't think that particular Windows party will be quite how Microsoft envisioned the promotion... | Sep 12 10:39 | |
DaemonFC | I don't think, at the end of the day, people care about widgets | Sep 12 10:39 |
DaemonFC | some are really useful, most aren't | Sep 12 10:39 |
Eruaran | Not on platforms where they are an afterthought | Sep 12 10:39 |
Wodenhelm | A Microsoft party? Sounds like the sorta thing I'd wanna crash :D | Sep 12 10:39 |
DaemonFC | and it's becoming like the Vista desktop gadget gallery | Sep 12 10:39 |
DaemonFC | where 80% of them are crap | Sep 12 10:39 |
Wodenhelm | <--BrokenWindows_ what's up _goblin | Sep 12 10:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Shame even I don't even know who they are...it will be as much of a surprise for me...looking forward to launch date! | Sep 12 10:40 | |
DaemonFC | from a user's point of view, your average KDE distro will be very inconsistent, some things work great, some things are more gap than implementation | Sep 12 10:41 |
DaemonFC | Windows is consistently mediocre | Sep 12 10:41 |
DaemonFC | it makes it kind of a tough call | Sep 12 10:42 |
DaemonFC | I did notice a KDE plugin that resembles Aero Peek | Sep 12 10:44 |
DaemonFC | which is nice | Sep 12 10:44 |
DaemonFC | it would be nice if KDE would do bug bounties | Sep 12 10:46 |
DaemonFC | and feature bounties | Sep 12 10:46 |
DaemonFC | like say "We need X dollars to make this happen" | Sep 12 10:47 |
DaemonFC | not just "Send $20 and next version we'll have FIVE application menus!" | Sep 12 10:47 |
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Wodenhelm | lol | Sep 12 10:48 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's like I always have said, when nobody owns a problem, it never gets solved | Sep 12 10:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Question: How many Twitter accounts does #Microsoft actually have? Seems to me that many pro-MS comments are twitted by MS affiliated..hmm | Sep 12 10:49 | |
DaemonFC | they need to tag gaps and set bounties | Sep 12 10:49 |
DaemonFC | or KDE 5 will have 20 application launchers and no webcam support | Sep 12 10:49 |
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Wodenhelm | BNc, reminds me of alot of religious propaganda I'd see on myspace during Bush's years | Sep 12 10:50 |
Wodenhelm | Official messages sent down through the ranks to make it look like "actual people" posted it | Sep 12 10:50 |
schestowitz | Hey, Wodenhelm | Sep 12 10:50 |
Wodenhelm | What's going on | Sep 12 10:50 |
DaemonFC | Wodenhelm: That would be twitter1 through twitter1000 you speak of | Sep 12 10:51 |
DaemonFC | he's quit the busy bee | Sep 12 10:51 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 12 10:51 |
DaemonFC | *quite | Sep 12 10:51 |
Wodenhelm | løl | Sep 12 10:51 |
DaemonFC | I stumbled onto someone's blog a while back who was talking about schestowitz that about made me fall out of my chair | Sep 12 10:52 |
DaemonFC | "at least....as much as anyone who has ever had a blog has contributed to free software" | Sep 12 10:52 |
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schestowitz | Wodenhelm: BNc aggregates twitter twits from people who ae regulars here | Sep 12 10:53 |
Wodenhelm | Got'cha | Sep 12 10:53 |
Wodenhelm | As long as IRC's been around I've never really used it. Shows what I know lol | Sep 12 10:54 |
DaemonFC | Wodenhelm: And roy makes the trains run on time too | Sep 12 10:54 |
DaemonFC | he's really quite fabulous | Sep 12 10:54 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 10:55 |
Wodenhelm | Anyhoo, s'ppose I'll introduce myself. I just started the campaign "Broken Windows" earlier this week. Had the idea in my head forever, done it on an individual basis, but I finally figured that the timing was right to go "organized" with it | Sep 12 10:56 |
Wodenhelm | In short, "anything but Windows" | Sep 12 10:57 |
DaemonFC | Wodenhelm: I would be using FreeBSD were it not for Nvidia | Sep 12 10:57 |
DaemonFC | I've got it on one of my laptops | Sep 12 10:57 |
Wodenhelm | Yeah I messed around with PC-BSD recently, I thought it was pretty damn neat | Sep 12 10:57 |
DaemonFC | Wodenhelm: Yes, very easy to adjust to from Windows | Sep 12 10:58 |
DaemonFC | I saw a boxed set of PC-BSD at Frys | Sep 12 10:58 |
Wodenhelm | I ditched Windows back in like '04 or something, been using Mac since then, but I've seen how some camps of alternative OS' will quarrel, figured we outta put all that aside and "unite against the common enemy," so to say | Sep 12 10:59 |
Wodenhelm | Heh they got it boxed now? | Sep 12 10:59 |
DaemonFC | yep | Sep 12 10:59 |
DaemonFC | with official support too | Sep 12 10:59 |
DaemonFC | the box was pretty | Sep 12 10:59 |
Wodenhelm | Sweet | Sep 12 10:59 |
Wodenhelm | Glad to see them able to pull that off | Sep 12 11:00 |
DaemonFC | every once in a while you see some crazy FreeBSD user running GNOME | Sep 12 11:00 |
DaemonFC | I didn't even know if it was possible for the longest time jsut because it's never done | Sep 12 11:00 |
DaemonFC | seems like every BSD system I've ever seen runs KDE | Sep 12 11:01 |
Wodenhelm | Different tastes I guess | Sep 12 11:01 |
DaemonFC | well, KDE has really overtaken GNOME | Sep 12 11:01 |
Wodenhelm | I think that's what PC-BSD uses aint it? | Sep 12 11:01 |
DaemonFC | there's still some things I would like to see that never survived 3>4 | Sep 12 11:01 |
DaemonFC | Wodenhelm: Yes | Sep 12 11:02 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Mandriva 2010's GNOME desktop works, but their KDE desktop is badly broken at this point | Sep 12 11:02 |
DaemonFC | and takes 10 gigabytes I might mention | Sep 12 11:02 |
Wodenhelm | 10 gigs? | Sep 12 11:03 |
DaemonFC | it's in sad sad shape | Sep 12 11:03 |
DaemonFC | Wodenhelm: Yes, they're packing it full of crap from GNOME | Sep 12 11:03 |
DaemonFC | you may as well jsut install both if you're going to use Mandriva with KDE | Sep 12 11:03 |
Wodenhelm | Ah I see | Sep 12 11:03 |
DaemonFC | their GNOME desktop is 2.8 gigs | Sep 12 11:03 |
Wodenhelm | Trying to put it all together in one package or something | Sep 12 11:03 |
DaemonFC | well, I just don't like how they've done it | Sep 12 11:04 |
DaemonFC | they need gstreamer so the Fluendo codecs that you buy with Powerpack work | Sep 12 11:04 |
DaemonFC | they've added Pulseaudio | Sep 12 11:04 |
DaemonFC | they have Firefox and an entire GTK+ theming engine for that, and while they were at it they put in Cheese and Totem as well | Sep 12 11:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My take on: #BBC Worldwide is Run by Microsoft Folks http://ping.fm/cVk1m | Sep 12 11:05 | |
DaemonFC | it has just gotten incredibly huge | Sep 12 11:06 |
DaemonFC | I think one of the things that's kept that from happening with Kubuntu is that they're insistent on keeping it all on one CD | Sep 12 11:07 |
DaemonFC | Mandriva has an entire DVD of things to choose from | Sep 12 11:07 |
DaemonFC | really one CD should be more than enough for an entire working system | Sep 12 11:07 |
Wodenhelm | That's the main reason I've been showing off Linux Mint for my unsavvy friends to switch to | Sep 12 11:08 |
DaemonFC | especially with SquashFS | Sep 12 11:08 |
Wodenhelm | It's the full package, easy enough for the average user to use, all fits on a single disc, all works "right out the box" | Sep 12 11:08 |
DaemonFC | yeah, but 64-bit support is not a priority to them | Sep 12 11:08 |
DaemonFC | so that came like 3 months after Ubuntu Jaunty was out | Sep 12 11:09 |
Wodenhelm | Nor to anyone I know in my town lol | Sep 12 11:09 |
oiaohm | Ok how did you end up with 10 Giga bytes for KDE. | Sep 12 11:10 |
oiaohm | My OS partition is not that large and I am running KDE 4.3.1 | Sep 12 11:10 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: sized up the files on disk right after installing Mandriva | Sep 12 11:12 |
DaemonFC | I didn't say all KDE distros were that bloated | Sep 12 11:13 |
DaemonFC | KDE is larger than GNOME, but not by that much | Sep 12 11:13 |
oiaohm | Note I have KDE and Gnome installed and I am only up to 7 GB. | Sep 12 11:13 |
oiaohm | And I have extras in there too. | Sep 12 11:13 |
oiaohm | Really what have they done wrong. | Sep 12 11:13 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: everything | Sep 12 11:14 |
DaemonFC | it's a disaster | Sep 12 11:14 |
DaemonFC | there's jsut no other way to say it | Sep 12 11:14 |
DaemonFC | *just | Sep 12 11:14 |
oiaohm | Only thing I am still missing at this stage is mp3 playback in kde 4.3.1 but I don't think that is going to add 3 G. | Sep 12 11:17 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror is still rough | Sep 12 11:18 |
DaemonFC | I keep an eye on it though cause it does do some cool things | Sep 12 11:18 |
DaemonFC | I like how it browses folders of MP3s, or FTP servers | Sep 12 11:18 |
oiaohm | At some point konqueror has to be killed. | Sep 12 11:19 |
oiaohm | its getting harder and harder to maintain. | Sep 12 11:19 |
oiaohm | its like the last really badly designed code in KDE. | Sep 12 11:19 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Yeah, Webkit is replacing it as the centralized rendering engine | Sep 12 11:20 |
DaemonFC | most distros are too ashamed of it to make it the default browser | Sep 12 11:20 |
DaemonFC | so it's really losing its place in KDE | Sep 12 11:20 |
DaemonFC | even Kubuntu has a link to install Firefox now | Sep 12 11:21 |
trmanco | konq needs webkit | Sep 12 11:23 |
DaemonFC | but interestingly, Firefox does not work right in Kubuntu | Sep 12 11:23 |
oiaohm | Cannot be done trmanco | Sep 12 11:23 |
trmanco | why is that? | Sep 12 11:24 |
DaemonFC | mouse positioning is off | Sep 12 11:24 |
oiaohm | konq code is too interlinked to khml Tallken | Sep 12 11:24 |
oiaohm | opps trmanco | Sep 12 11:24 |
trmanco | oiaohm: is already has some webkit support | Sep 12 11:24 |
oiaohm | Does not work right trmanco | Sep 12 11:24 |
trmanco | but it's really in alpha stage | Sep 12 11:24 |
trmanco | you are right | Sep 12 11:25 |
oiaohm | The developers behind that I have been talking to. | Sep 12 11:25 |
oiaohm | They have got to the point konq has to be scraped at some point. | Sep 12 11:25 |
trmanco | khtml is about 4 times slower than webkit | Sep 12 11:25 |
oiaohm | And a replacement made. | Sep 12 11:25 |
trmanco | we already have replacements | Sep 12 11:25 |
trmanco | arora | Sep 12 11:25 |
oiaohm | arora does not have all the features of konq that people love. | Sep 12 11:26 |
trmanco | and some other browser that I can't remember the name now | Sep 12 11:26 |
trmanco | let it mature | Sep 12 11:26 |
DaemonFC | Arora is still better than Konqueror | Sep 12 11:26 |
DaemonFC | but it's still frustratingly limited in some ways | Sep 12 11:26 |
oiaohm | I did not say what order replacement and scrapping had to happen in. | Sep 12 11:26 |
oiaohm | Just at some point konq is going to disappear for good. | Sep 12 11:27 |
trmanco | that's a shame | Sep 12 11:27 |
Wodenhelm | Thus is evolution | Sep 12 11:27 |
trmanco | it has some pretty neat features in browsing | Sep 12 11:27 |
oiaohm | Bit like the kde 3.x line scrapping. | Sep 12 11:28 |
oiaohm | People were majorally upset at first. | Sep 12 11:28 |
oiaohm | They are now starting to get over it. | Sep 12 11:28 |
oiaohm | Great reason why I cannot play my music is that I am access them inside compressed zip files. | Sep 12 11:43 |
oiaohm | How to be looking in completely the wrong place for problem for the last 3 hours. | Sep 12 11:44 |
Wodenhelm | lol | Sep 12 11:45 |
oiaohm | apparently new kde is not avfs compadible. | Sep 12 11:45 |
oiaohm | Mind you other than that major head scratching kde 4.3.1 is nice and fast. | Sep 12 11:57 |
Wodenhelm | I'm heading out, catch yall later | Sep 12 11:58 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Microsoft ’s #CodePlex Foundation is a Promoter of #ProprietarySoftware http://ping.fm/aDCjT | Sep 12 12:00 | |
schestowitz | oiaohm: part of it is to do with Linux advancements | Sep 12 12:00 |
schestowitz | SO I've read yesterday | Sep 12 12:00 |
oiaohm | I have not change core kernel yet. | Sep 12 12:00 |
schestowitz | It's easy to give the kernel credit for DE/WM improvements, and vice versa | Sep 12 12:00 |
oiaohm | KDE 4.2 and KDE 4.3 under the same kernel. | Sep 12 12:01 |
oiaohm | Same with Xfce | Sep 12 12:01 |
oiaohm | I am suspect that KDE 4.3 is faster than Xfce | Sep 12 12:01 |
schestowitz | Can it be true? | Sep 12 12:01 |
schestowitz | Eye candy is usually inversely proportional to speed | Sep 12 12:01 |
schestowitz | But Qt made improvements | Sep 12 12:02 |
oiaohm | Xfce is not the fastest beast. | Sep 12 12:02 |
schestowitz | Also, it depends on hardware | Sep 12 12:02 |
schestowitz | There is no universal measure | Sep 12 12:02 |
schestowitz | Some DEs can use a lot of RAM for hashing a stuff | Sep 12 12:02 |
schestowitz | So a machine with a lot of RAM would behave well | Sep 12 12:02 |
schestowitz | Whereas another DE may just use more CPU cycles | Sep 12 12:02 |
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schestowitz | So without specs and an array of settings you can't really compare anything | Sep 12 12:03 |
schestowitz | Too many free parameters | Sep 12 12:03 |
DaemonFC | XFCE really sucks | Sep 12 12:03 |
DaemonFC | they've set out to recreate GNOME from scratch | Sep 12 12:04 |
oiaohm | For my system 4 g of ram 2ghz amd 64 is not running to bad. | Sep 12 12:04 |
oiaohm | XFCE is slightly faster on mine than Gnome. | Sep 12 12:04 |
oiaohm | I also have a 4 year old video card. But it was a good expensive nvidia in its time. | Sep 12 12:05 |
DaemonFC | yeah, you sacrifice half your features for a 1% performance increase, maybe | Sep 12 12:05 |
DaemonFC | that's jsut stupid | Sep 12 12:05 |
DaemonFC | Phoronix tested Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu a while back | Sep 12 12:05 |
DaemonFC | Xubuntu wasn't significantly faster or more efficient than GNOME or KDE | Sep 12 12:06 |
DaemonFC | what it is, is a huge pain in the ass | Sep 12 12:06 |
DaemonFC | *XFCE | Sep 12 12:06 |
oiaohm | Nothing for low ram usage and pure speed beats ratpoison as a wm but it make anything else look user friendly. | Sep 12 12:07 |
trmanco | 11:24AM up 890 days, 19:32, 45 user, load averages: 18, 15, 15 | Sep 12 12:09 |
trmanco | :O | Sep 12 12:09 |
DaemonFC | KDE 4.3 is really the point where the 4.x branch is worth upgrading to | Sep 12 12:09 |
DaemonFC | it's been a rought 18 months but 4.3 is useable | Sep 12 12:09 |
DaemonFC | *rough | Sep 12 12:10 |
oiaohm | I stayed with kde 3.5 until now and only playing with KDE 4.x in a chroot. | Sep 12 12:11 |
oiaohm | I think kde 4.x has basically caught up with KDE 3.5 at 4.3. Now on it will be able to go just into improvement mode. | Sep 12 12:11 |
DaemonFC | other than eye candy, I really don't know what 4.x has done | Sep 12 12:12 |
oiaohm | Most of the KDE 4.x line at this point has been cleaning up the backend engines of KDE. | Sep 12 12:12 |
oiaohm | Stuff users don't see. | Sep 12 12:13 |
DaemonFC | remind me of a former Netscape guy that was against the "start from scratch" thing that ruined Netscape | Sep 12 12:13 |
DaemonFC | he made an example of FTP code | Sep 12 12:13 |
oiaohm | KDE 3.5 is shockly evil in its back end code. | Sep 12 12:13 |
DaemonFC | "That may have been 50,000 lines of ugly code, but it was 50,000 lines that worked and it took us years to get it all working" | Sep 12 12:13 |
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DaemonFC | I'd rather have MSN and Yahoo webcam working than eye candy, but eye candy is nice | Sep 12 12:14 |
DaemonFC | it's pleasant to look at while my webcam is functionless under their desktop environment | Sep 12 12:14 |
oiaohm | Major changes in KDE 4.x has been the introduction of the code framework to go completely cross platform. | Sep 12 12:15 |
DaemonFC | maybe they'll do something about MSN webcam support before the sun explodes | Sep 12 12:15 |
oiaohm | KDE 3.5 is basically not unlinkable from X11 server. | Sep 12 12:15 |
DaemonFC | right after they get done polishing the chrome on the 100th application menu | Sep 12 12:15 |
DaemonFC | and the 60th micronlogging widget | Sep 12 12:15 |
oiaohm | KDE 4.x could work happly connected up to a framebuffer supporing opengl. | Sep 12 12:16 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: It doesn't Krash as much as KDE 3 did I guess | Sep 12 12:16 |
DaemonFC | in fact, I have yet for the entire desktop to just die on me | Sep 12 12:16 |
trmanco | lol | Sep 12 12:16 |
trmanco | Krash | Sep 12 12:16 |
trmanco | K-rash? | Sep 12 12:17 |
oiaohm | KDE 4.0 KDE 4.1 and KDE 4.2 have not been 100 percent stable. | Sep 12 12:17 |
trmanco | ouch | Sep 12 12:17 |
oiaohm | KDE 4.3 so far not seen a single seg fault. | Sep 12 12:17 |
oiaohm | What has been a common kde thing for a long time. | Sep 12 12:17 |
oiaohm | Yes pure Kde words. C becomes K in the KDE world a lot. | Sep 12 12:18 |
DaemonFC | It's a faKt that any suffiKienty KompliKated program will Krash eventually, the Key is to not let it get you down beKause it happens to everybody now and then | Sep 12 12:18 |
Tallken | ROFL | Sep 12 12:18 |
oiaohm | So you would not like the KDE mailing lists Tallken | Sep 12 12:18 |
Tallken | :p | Sep 12 12:19 |
oiaohm | The K and G naming of programs goes back to the days when Gnome and KDE had 100 percent incompadible menu systems. | Sep 12 12:19 |
trmanco | oiaohm: which one? | Sep 12 12:19 |
oiaohm | Some KDE guys took the idea too far. | Sep 12 12:19 |
Tallken | marked my first bug as a duplicate on launchpad ^^ feel so happy and so administrative :D | Sep 12 12:19 |
trmanco | I subed to some of them, but maybe not the correct one | Sep 12 12:19 |
DaemonFC | I thinK Linus Torvalds Kommented quite KantanKerously about the krashing of his Kparts, he was not at all aKKreeable about the situKtion | Sep 12 12:20 |
oiaohm | General trmanco kde on at times you still get people in there over using K. | Sep 12 12:20 |
trmanco | ok, will subscribe | Sep 12 12:20 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 12 12:20 |
oiaohm | It was a lot more 8 years ago. | Sep 12 12:21 |
oiaohm | I still remember trying to get KDE and Gnome developers to agree on a common menu format. | Sep 12 12:21 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Schwans fixed their site | Sep 12 12:21 |
oiaohm | It was wrong. We will destroy the other one any how so why does compadiblity matter. | Sep 12 12:22 |
DaemonFC | at least well enough so that you can use browsers other than IE or Firefox | Sep 12 12:22 |
oiaohm | I guess just updated .net engine. | Sep 12 12:22 |
*DaemonFC hates Firefox | Sep 12 12:22 | |
DaemonFC | almost as much as IE | Sep 12 12:22 |
oiaohm | I don't hate firefox as such. | Sep 12 12:22 |
oiaohm | I just wish it would merge the chrome ideas in sooner. | Sep 12 12:23 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: I was disappointed that Opera only released Opera 10 with QT3 | Sep 12 12:23 |
DaemonFC | the weekly builds are still using QT4 | Sep 12 12:23 |
oiaohm | konq I hate. | Sep 12 12:23 |
DaemonFC | and they look a lot better | Sep 12 12:23 |
oiaohm | Nothing in its design of konq makes it saveable. | Sep 12 12:24 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror is pitiful | Sep 12 12:24 |
oiaohm | Design of firefox is saveable. | Sep 12 12:24 |
DaemonFC | for some reason my dad likes it | Sep 12 12:24 |
DaemonFC | I was discussing it with him one day and he was going on and on about how much he likes Konqueror | Sep 12 12:25 |
oiaohm | Major overhaul but saveable. | Sep 12 12:25 |
oiaohm | Design of IE is OK. But management sux. | Sep 12 12:25 |
oiaohm | Keeping stupid things like activex around get IE into a lot of trouble. | Sep 12 12:25 |
DaemonFC | IE sucks, it has to support 4 different versions of the same rendering engine now | Sep 12 12:25 |
DaemonFC | that's a lot of baggage | Sep 12 12:25 |
oiaohm | That is management issues. | Sep 12 12:26 |
oiaohm | Base Design was ok before management did stupid things like lets be incompadbile. | Sep 12 12:26 |
DaemonFC | Opera is the best browser for KDE | Sep 12 12:29 |
DaemonFC | hands down | Sep 12 12:29 |
DaemonFC | fastest, most compatible, most standards compliant | Sep 12 12:30 |
DaemonFC | if it was open sourced, it would be on every KDE desktop | Sep 12 12:30 |
oiaohm | Big reason why little support for QT from like likes of firefox was QT licence. | Sep 12 12:33 |
DaemonFC | what would be nice is if someone made a widget that could browse like Hulu and Joost | Sep 12 12:33 |
DaemonFC | on the desktop | Sep 12 12:33 |
oiaohm | Browser options for KDE should slowly expand. | Sep 12 12:34 |
DaemonFC | right now there's not much of a contest | Sep 12 12:34 |
DaemonFC | Opera smacks Konqueror down and what else is there? | Sep 12 12:34 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 12 12:34 |
trmanco | arora | Sep 12 12:36 |
trmanco | at least it already kicks opera in html rendering :-P | Sep 12 12:36 |
trmanco | and maybe speed too | Sep 12 12:36 |
trmanco | JS speed | Sep 12 12:37 |
DaemonFC | can't watch Hulu :) | Sep 12 12:37 |
DaemonFC | no middle click scroll | Sep 12 12:38 |
trmanco | was it that? flashed based? | Sep 12 12:38 |
DaemonFC | I wonder who the people are that can't put middle click scroll in a browser | Sep 12 12:38 |
trmanco | it's till in its early days | Sep 12 12:38 |
schestowitz | The KDE microblogging widget seems to have some bugs | Sep 12 12:40 |
schestowitz | I'll submit reports later, I think | Sep 12 12:40 |
oiaohm | Its also really new. | Sep 12 12:41 |
oiaohm | It was not in kde 4.2 schestowitz | Sep 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | Ah, it figures | Sep 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | The widget focus is odd | Sep 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | Sometimes I have to click twice to focus properly | Sep 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | And it can hog X | Sep 12 12:41 |
schestowitz | It looks great though | Sep 12 12:41 |
oiaohm | Its basically a taste of the idea KDE is working on. | Sep 12 12:42 |
trmanco | use choqok | Sep 12 12:42 |
schestowitz | Is it written as JS/CSS/HTML? | Sep 12 12:42 |
schestowitz | Like those widgets that the likes of Apple and mobile devices do? | Sep 12 12:42 |
oiaohm | I would have to look I think its python. | Sep 12 12:42 |
oiaohm | Lot of apple widgets do work on plasma | Sep 12 12:42 |
trmanco | it various languages | Sep 12 12:42 |
trmanco | is goes from c++,javascript, python to ruby | Sep 12 12:43 |
trmanco | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma | Sep 12 12:43 |
*trmanco see the javascript entry | Sep 12 12:43 | |
DaemonFC | http://games.venturebeat.com/2009/09/10/video-game-sales-for-sixth-consecutive-month/ | Sep 12 12:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Latest Mischiefs Justify Need to Watch the #PatentTrolls < http://ping.fm/ld4n9 > | Sep 12 12:52 | |
oiaohm | Hmm looks like MS personal are going to turn up to take care of the hyper-v drivers. | Sep 12 12:52 |
oiaohm | In the Linux kernel. | Sep 12 12:52 |
oiaohm | I wish they were not. | Sep 12 12:52 |
DaemonFC | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/11/apple_open_sources_snow_leopards_grand_central_dispatch.html | Sep 12 12:53 |
oiaohm | That is useful code. Fairly platform netural too. | Sep 12 12:53 |
schestowitz | It's for Hyper-V | Sep 12 12:53 |
schestowitz | Not helpful | Sep 12 12:53 |
schestowitz | Unless you're Novell | Sep 12 12:53 |
schestowitz | Or a vmware hater | Sep 12 12:53 |
schestowitz | or xen/kvm antagonist | Sep 12 12:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Overheard: "I think #kde 4.x has basically caught up with KDE 3.5 at 4.3." (credit: oiaohm) | Sep 12 12:54 | |
oiaohm | http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/46940/ Ok RCU code in 2.6.32 is reducing. | Sep 12 13:02 |
DaemonFC | death to the big kernel lock | Sep 12 13:05 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 12 13:05 |
oiaohm | It's much easier to come out and say "something's broken" if you know some latency issue is not due to buggy hardware or applications or orange bunnies with a cosmic ray gun. << From http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/46808/ Some linux developers make some fun comments. | Sep 12 13:08 |
schestowitz | Someone has the same deficiency as me... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206728 | Sep 12 13:10 |
oiaohm | So far fanotify code is coming along well. Ie the future virus scanner interface for Linux. | Sep 12 13:14 |
oiaohm | Nothing in it that makes me want to kill someone. | Sep 12 13:14 |
DaemonFC | Debian 6 will feature the first official Desbian kFreeBSD | Sep 12 13:15 |
oiaohm | Much to the annoyance of a lot of BSD people DaemonFC | Sep 12 13:18 |
DaemonFC | I don't see why | Sep 12 13:19 |
DaemonFC | the BSD license is far less restrictive than GPL | Sep 12 13:19 |
DaemonFC | it's basically there to do what you want with | Sep 12 13:19 |
DaemonFC | people that complain that you did what the license told you that you could are morons | Sep 12 13:19 |
oiaohm | Ok don't leave wine vlc running. | Sep 12 13:25 |
oiaohm | The buger was sitting in background eating up 50 percent of the cpu time. | Sep 12 13:25 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 12 13:26 |
trmanco | vlc on ubuntu drags some gnome deps | Sep 12 13:26 |
trmanco | IO don't know whym if it's a Qt app | Sep 12 13:26 |
oiaohm | Define gnome deps. | Sep 12 13:26 |
trmanco | I'll paste | Sep 12 13:26 |
trmanco | give me a moment | Sep 12 13:27 |
oiaohm | If you mean gstreamer that is fine. | Sep 12 13:27 |
oiaohm | gstreamer is a audio processing engine used by gnome and KDE. | Sep 12 13:27 |
trmanco | no | Sep 12 13:27 |
trmanco | in kde it's xine/phonon | Sep 12 13:27 |
trmanco | xine is better :-P | Sep 12 13:27 |
trmanco | trmanco@trmanco-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install vlc | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | Reading package lists... Done | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | Building dependency tree | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | Reading state information... Done | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | The following extra packages will be installed: | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | gconf2 gconf2-common liba52-0.7.4 libass3 libavformat52 libcdio7 libdca0 libdvbpsi4 libdvdnav4 libdvdread4 | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | libebml0 libenca0 libfaad0 libgconf2-4 libglade2-0 libidl0 libiso9660-5 liblircclient0 liblua5.1-0 libmatroska0 | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | libmpeg2-4 libnotify1 liborbit2 libsdl-image1.2 libsexy2 libshout3 libstartup-notification0 libswscale0 libtar | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | libtwolame0 libv4l-0 libvcdinfo0 libvlc2 libvlccore2 libwnck-common libwnck22 libx264-65 libxcb-keysyms0 libxres1 | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | notification-daemon vlc-data vlc-nox | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | why do I need notificatin-daemon? | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | and gconf2 | Sep 12 13:28 |
trmanco | if vlc is a Qt app | Sep 12 13:28 |
oiaohm | notification deamon is used in KDE 4.x for systray. | Sep 12 13:29 |
oiaohm | gconf I cannot answer. | Sep 12 13:29 |
trmanco | isn't that kNotify? | Sep 12 13:30 |
oiaohm | Kde is going desktop netural in places. | Sep 12 13:31 |
oiaohm | systray has moved to a dbus system. | Sep 12 13:31 |
trmanco | isn't that a good thing (dbus)? | Sep 12 13:32 |
oiaohm | It is a good thing. Particularly when it will allow gnome and kde both to use exactly the same interface for things. | Sep 12 13:33 |
oiaohm | But it does mean some parts you would think are gnome are no longer just gnome. | Sep 12 13:33 |
*schestowitz listens to good episide: http://www.twit.tv/floss85 | Sep 12 13:34 | |
oiaohm | Its the changes that people don't notice like the merging of handling of system tray. | Sep 12 13:38 |
oiaohm | Yet the differences make the news. | Sep 12 13:39 |
oiaohm | Hmm nice swap effects between virtual desktops in kde4 | Sep 12 13:40 |
trmanco | I just subscribed to a ton of kde lists | Sep 12 13:41 |
trmanco | through gmane | Sep 12 13:41 |
Eruaran | "If Linux does not influence your life in some way, you're probably dead. If you think nobody uses Linux, I'd check my pulse if I were you". | Sep 12 13:44 |
trmanco | source? | Sep 12 13:45 |
Eruaran | me | Sep 12 13:45 |
Eruaran | :D | Sep 12 13:45 |
Eruaran | :P | Sep 12 13:45 |
oiaohm | Eruaran: that is so true. | Sep 12 13:45 |
trmanco | ah | Sep 12 13:45 |
trmanco | ok | Sep 12 13:45 |
Eruaran | But seriously | Sep 12 13:45 |
trmanco | next time don't put quotes | Sep 12 13:46 |
trmanco | :-P | Sep 12 13:46 |
oiaohm | I have not found a person yet who is not using linux someway. | Sep 12 13:46 |
trmanco | do I have permission to use it? | Sep 12 13:46 |
Eruaran | When I go through the checkout at Woolworths, I know their POS is Linux based. | Sep 12 13:46 |
Eruaran | sure | Sep 12 13:46 |
*trmanco adds it to email sig | Sep 12 13:46 | |
Eruaran | If I play games on a PS3, I know it runs Linux. | Sep 12 13:46 |
DaemonFC | not anymore | Sep 12 13:46 |
Eruaran | If I Google... I'm using Linux | Sep 12 13:46 |
DaemonFC | the old model PS3 can run Linux | Sep 12 13:47 |
Eruaran | I look across the room at the Netgear router... It rund Linux. | Sep 12 13:47 |
Eruaran | *runs | Sep 12 13:47 |
Eruaran | An LG tv... | Sep 12 13:47 |
Eruaran | Linux | Sep 12 13:47 |
Eruaran | A TiVo... | Sep 12 13:47 |
trmanco | even my crappy router runs linux | Sep 12 13:47 |
trmanco | ever heard of "conceptronic"? | Sep 12 13:48 |
Eruaran | Go to the movies and watch a blockbuster from Dreamworks, Lucasfilm or whatever... post production was done on Linux systems | Sep 12 13:48 |
oiaohm | Rounters are normally linux or bsd. | Sep 12 13:48 |
oiaohm | routers | Sep 12 13:48 |
oiaohm | highest percent are linux. | Sep 12 13:48 |
Eruaran | Netgear ReadyNAS... Linux | Sep 12 13:48 |
oiaohm | Go to a bank | Sep 12 13:49 |
oiaohm | Have a 70 percent chance you money is stored on a Linux server. | Sep 12 13:49 |
Eruaran | The local hospital doesn't use Linux... they use Solaris | Sep 12 13:49 |
oiaohm | Basically not able to do business without Linux somewhere. | Sep 12 13:49 |
Eruaran | :P | Sep 12 13:49 |
oiaohm | They still would have some in there. | Sep 12 13:50 |
oiaohm | Mostly in a router or something. | Sep 12 13:50 |
Eruaran | ah | Sep 12 13:50 |
Eruaran | of course | Sep 12 13:50 |
trmanco | oiaohm: not her :| | Sep 12 13:51 |
Eruaran | And of course my PC runs Linux | Sep 12 13:51 |
oiaohm | Boy they cannot do australian schestowitz | Sep 12 13:51 |
DaemonFC | my bank uses Solaris servers and Windows XP clients | Sep 12 13:51 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 12 13:51 |
Eruaran | I'm changing banks | Sep 12 13:52 |
trmanco | how can you check if your bank uses linux on servers? does the web interface count? | Sep 12 13:52 |
DaemonFC | trmanco: netcraft should give you a list of what their servers run | Sep 12 13:52 |
trmanco | hear, I fail to find a bank that uses linux for homebanking | Sep 12 13:52 |
DaemonFC | by subdomains even | Sep 12 13:52 |
trmanco | ah | Sep 12 13:52 |
trmanco | so yes, I fail to find a linux based bank | Sep 12 13:52 |
Eruaran | all our webhosting is linux | Sep 12 13:52 |
trmanco | I'll ask | Sep 12 13:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Existe algum banco em Portugal que use Linux nos seus servidores? Quem diz Linux, qualquer *nix serve... | Sep 12 13:54 | |
Eruaran | trmanco, they'll yell HACKER! and have a security guard tackle you ;) | Sep 12 13:55 |
trmanco | pft | Sep 12 13:55 |
trmanco | poor security guard | Sep 12 13:55 |
Eruaran | :P | Sep 12 13:55 |
trmanco | his PC would never forgive him | Sep 12 13:56 |
trmanco | :-P | Sep 12 13:56 |
Eruaran | lol | Sep 12 13:56 |
Eruaran | I dent, therefore I am. | Sep 12 14:00 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: no, they can't | Sep 12 14:05 |
schestowitz | THey said "dingo" though | Sep 12 14:05 |
oiaohm | http://www.infoworld.com/windows-pulse Interesting numbers | Sep 12 14:09 |
oiaohm | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_52 Been lucky so far have not had someone bring up this yet. | Sep 12 14:15 |
trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_frm/thread/70563d33b38a6d5f# | Sep 12 14:17 |
trmanco | here is something interesting | Sep 12 14:18 |
*DaemonFC buys one of these for schestowitz: | Sep 12 14:29 | |
DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Caldera-OpenLinux-eDesktop-2-4/dp/B00004RDLS/ref=sr_1_85?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1252762320&sr=1-85 | Sep 12 14:29 |
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DaemonFC | amazing how rent can keep going up even though less and less people can pay the rent | Sep 12 14:39 |
DaemonFC | you'd think that with demand going down, so would the price | Sep 12 14:40 |
oiaohm | Depends on how rich the people are. | Sep 12 14:41 |
oiaohm | One of the towns I visited the shops were all owned by 2 famalies. | Sep 12 14:41 |
oiaohm | So price was inversed. | Sep 12 14:41 |
oiaohm | Less renters higher price. | Sep 12 14:41 |
oiaohm | More renters lower. | Sep 12 14:41 |
DaemonFC | it amazes me that this 4 gigs of RAM and 1.86 Ghz Core 2 Duo are still overkill for Linux | Sep 12 14:43 |
DaemonFC | that alone should tell you why hardware makers hate it | Sep 12 14:43 |
DaemonFC | seems to me I'm still doing the same stuff with this PC I was doing 10 years ago, it's just that this system is several hundred times faster | Sep 12 14:45 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 12 14:45 |
oiaohm | This machine is 7 | Sep 12 14:46 |
oiaohm | harddrives and ram has been replaced. | Sep 12 14:46 |
oiaohm | Next lot of ram death most likely mean new machine. | Sep 12 14:47 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: I dunno if I trust KDE's system monitor | Sep 12 14:47 |
oiaohm | There is no system monitor for Linux that is a 100 percent. | Sep 12 14:48 |
oiaohm | But kde is fairly close + or - about 4 percent. | Sep 12 14:49 |
oiaohm | To allow for not tracked kernel stuff. | Sep 12 14:49 |
oiaohm | Normally + | Sep 12 14:49 |
oiaohm | KDE 4.x also off loads quite a lot to GPU and kde system monitor don't track that either. | Sep 12 14:50 |
DaemonFC | http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9276/snapshot1k.png | Sep 12 14:51 |
DaemonFC | how is Opera using 432 megs? | Sep 12 14:51 |
oiaohm | Real interesting question. | Sep 12 14:53 |
DaemonFC | that's just not right | Sep 12 14:54 |
oiaohm | thinking KDE system monitor is pulling that information in the same way as top. | Sep 12 14:54 |
DaemonFC | it never does this on Windows | Sep 12 14:54 |
oiaohm | That is allocated memory not checked if used. | Sep 12 14:54 |
DaemonFC | so it's bullshit? | Sep 12 14:54 |
oiaohm | Like if you asked for a 4 gb allocation and never used it. system monitor would show 4 g to application even that no memory at kernel level is really allocated. | Sep 12 14:55 |
oiaohm | Not exactly. | Sep 12 14:56 |
trmanco | flash | Sep 12 14:56 |
oiaohm | Windows measure ments are bullshit. | Sep 12 14:56 |
oiaohm | Since blocks of allocations end up not connected to the applciation. | Sep 12 14:57 |
oiaohm | Even when used. | Sep 12 14:57 |
oiaohm | Linux basically reports everything the application has asked for. | Sep 12 14:57 |
oiaohm | Everything it could decide to use at a moments notice. | Sep 12 14:57 |
oiaohm | There will in time come a extra number showing how much of asked for is used. | Sep 12 14:58 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC: ever seen close a application under windows using bugger all memory and have like 500 megs turn back up. | Sep 12 15:07 |
oiaohm | See it from time to time on servers. | Sep 12 15:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] MicroHoo Search Deal Faces DOJ Scrutiny, CEO Bartz Would Have Let MSFT Buy All Of Yahoo: http://is.gd/3bRh5 | Sep 12 15:08 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Proprietary browsers built on proprietary browsers: the blind leading the blind?: http://is.gd/3bSKk | Sep 12 15:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] What Microsoft Doesn't Get - And What I Hope You Do: http://is.gd/3bSTK | Sep 12 15:25 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Do thes Linux “CAD” applications stand up to the standards?: http://is.gd/3bTdC | Sep 12 15:29 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] If Microsoft really wants to be friends with Linux...: http://is.gd/3bTeO | Sep 12 15:30 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Linux Datacenters Virtualize More, See Big TCO Savings: http://is.gd/3bToz | Sep 12 15:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] FOSS Fans Wary of Microsoft's New CodePlex Foundation: http://is.gd/3bTw6 | Sep 12 15:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Miguel joins Microsoft board, slams FSF: http://is.gd/3bTFO | Sep 12 15:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] How PHP became such a huge success: http://is.gd/3bTZz | Sep 12 15:40 | |
twitter1 | M$ slips out of another patent judgment http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/12/0247236/358-Million-Patent-Judgment-Against-Microsoft-Overturned | Sep 12 15:40 |
DaemonFC | trmanco: I've written an IE-based browser before | Sep 12 15:40 |
DaemonFC | just for the hell of it | Sep 12 15:40 |
DaemonFC | it's not hard | Sep 12 15:40 |
twitter1 | -> the appellate court said that they did infringe on Alcatel-Lucent patents, but that those infringements did not warrant $358 million in damages. The case needs to be retried | Sep 12 15:40 |
trmanco | you can use visual studio | Sep 12 15:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Ubuntu Tweak 0.4.9 released: Manage your sources more easily!: http://is.gd/3bU5T | Sep 12 15:41 | |
*twitter1 ignores DaemonFC troll again | Sep 12 15:41 | |
DaemonFC | trmanco: that BT/Yahoo thingamawhazzit was probably done up in about an hour with VB .NET | Sep 12 15:41 |
DaemonFC | back and forward button, address bar, plenty of whore bars, and takes you to their page full of even more advertisements | Sep 12 15:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] LOOOL -> http://is.gd/3bUez | Sep 12 15:42 | |
trmanco | yes | Sep 12 15:42 |
trmanco | I would say in a day or so | Sep 12 15:42 |
trmanco | can you compile the whole thing in an hour? :-P | Sep 12 15:42 |
DaemonFC | trmanco: It's not hard to write an ad blocker for a browser that loads the Trident COM object | Sep 12 15:43 |
DaemonFC | writing an ad blocker for IE itself is another story | Sep 12 15:43 |
DaemonFC | hence the lack of ones which work | Sep 12 15:43 |
trmanco | I have no idea | Sep 12 15:43 |
DaemonFC | about the only way to block ads in IE before it loads them is to set up some kind of local filtering proxy | Sep 12 15:44 |
DaemonFC | that creates a load of dead links in your back button which effectively breaks it | Sep 12 15:44 |
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DaemonFC | Privoxy is pretty stupid about that | Sep 12 15:45 |
DaemonFC | BFilter feeds a 1 pixel transparent gif in place of the ad to placate IE | Sep 12 15:46 |
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DaemonFC | it thinks it loaded something, it's happy, the page loads, and it doesn't crap up your back button queue | Sep 12 15:46 |
DaemonFC | of course this assumes that you even think IE is worth using *with* ad blocking | Sep 12 15:47 |
DaemonFC | lack of a working ad blocking extension makes my IE bitchlist, but the other 90% of the list is still there | Sep 12 15:47 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: your desktop looks like mine (oxygen) | Sep 12 15:48 |
schestowitz | Add some widgets | Sep 12 15:48 |
*DaemonFC generally hates widgets | Sep 12 15:48 | |
DaemonFC | wait a minute.... | Sep 12 15:48 |
DaemonFC | don't Google Gadgets work on KDE? | Sep 12 15:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Chrome adds new defence for cross-site scripting attacks: http://is.gd/3bUWJ | Sep 12 15:52 | |
schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/09/11/miguel-joins-microsoft-board-slams-fsf/ | Sep 12 15:57 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 12 15:57 |
schestowitz | The whole “microsoft opening up to open source” things reminds me of this movie: | Sep 12 15:57 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3bI71P_8O8 | Sep 12 15:57 |
schestowitz | “We come in peace”. | Sep 12 15:57 |
schestowitz | “Do not run! We are your friends!” | Sep 12 15:57 |
schestowitz | Yeah… right! | Sep 12 15:57 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 12 15:57 |
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_Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz | Sep 12 16:08 |
_Hicham_ | anyone in here ? | Sep 12 16:10 |
trmanco | yeah | Sep 12 16:13 |
_Hicham_ | trmanco : r u from italy ? | Sep 12 16:17 |
trmanco | no | Sep 12 16:17 |
DaemonFC | "I hope that I can last more on this foundation than I lasted at the FSF, where I was removed by RMS after refusing to be an active part of the campaign to rename Linux as GNU/Linux." | Sep 12 16:19 |
DaemonFC | lmao | Sep 12 16:19 |
DaemonFC | I think we should lead a campaign to rename cars with every manufacturer of every last bolt | Sep 12 16:19 |
schestowitz | Hi, _Hicham_ | Sep 12 16:20 |
DaemonFC | it'll be fun to fill out the title on one of those puppies, won't it? | Sep 12 16:20 |
schestowitz | Have op, as I'm leaving in a moment | Sep 12 16:20 |
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to _Hicham_ | Sep 12 16:20 | |
_Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Sep 12 16:20 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : u r back to ur mental crisis ? | Sep 12 16:22 |
DaemonFC | the problem with saying they deserve half the credit for 10% of the system means that you either have to make up some ten mile long name that you won't finish saying today if someone asks what the operating system you're using is | Sep 12 16:22 |
DaemonFC | or trivialize everyone that had a hand in it | Sep 12 16:22 |
_Hicham_ | same topic | Sep 12 16:22 |
_Hicham_ | are u a parrot ? | Sep 12 16:22 |
DaemonFC | the GNU/Linux spammers really do need to cool it | Sep 12 16:22 |
_Hicham_ | u r the big spammer | Sep 12 16:23 |
trmanco | who gives a damn, if it's GNU, Linux or GNU/Linux | Sep 12 16:23 |
DaemonFC | I don't just drive a Ford, maybe AC/Delco wants credit because I happen to have one of their batteries in it | Sep 12 16:23 |
trmanco | as long as the code remains free, I don't give a shit | Sep 12 16:23 |
DaemonFC | or maybe Prestone should be part of the car's name since I have their coolant in it | Sep 12 16:24 |
_Hicham_ | GnuDaemonFC | Sep 12 16:24 |
DaemonFC | or perhaps Valvoline too since oil is an essential part of the car | Sep 12 16:24 |
_Hicham_ | that would be cool | Sep 12 16:24 |
trmanco | I use Linux from time to time, and GNU/Linux too | Sep 12 16:24 |
_Hicham_ | or GNU/DaemonFC | Sep 12 16:24 |
_Hicham_ | free version of DaemonFC | Sep 12 16:24 |
DaemonFC | and who could forget those Auto Zone interior light bulbs? | Sep 12 16:24 |
trmanco | any linux distro would have to have more than just GNU attached to Linux | Sep 12 16:25 |
trmanco | Apache/GNU/BSD/Linux | Sep 12 16:25 |
DaemonFC | which is why you can avoid the controversy and jsut call it Linux | Sep 12 16:25 |
DaemonFC | because that's the piece that stands out | Sep 12 16:25 |
DaemonFC | I could be using some GNU software and GNOME on FreeBSD | Sep 12 16:26 |
DaemonFC | does using GNOME make it GNU/FreeBSD? | Sep 12 16:26 |
DaemonFC | or does it mean I have GNOME packages on my FreeBSD operating system? | Sep 12 16:26 |
trmanco | no | Sep 12 16:26 |
trmanco | Gnome/BSD | Sep 12 16:26 |
trmanco | :-P | Sep 12 16:26 |
DaemonFC | if someone asks me "Hey, what do you call this desktop environment?" I would say "GNOME" | Sep 12 16:27 |
DaemonFC | it would be silly to call it GNOME/FreeBSD because thar would only account for mybe 15-20% of the system | Sep 12 16:27 |
DaemonFC | *that | Sep 12 16:27 |
DaemonFC | if someone asks you "What are you eating?" and you reply "pizza" because you didn't want to list all 20 toppings, does that make you an evil bastard who doesn't want to give the olives any credit? | Sep 12 16:28 |
trmanco | LOL | Sep 12 16:29 |
DaemonFC | was the proper response Olive/Pizza, even though there are 19 other delicious toppings? | Sep 12 16:29 |
schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/12/review_iphone_app_tomtom/ | Sep 12 16:30 |
DaemonFC | the Linux is a kernel is kind of implied | Sep 12 16:31 |
DaemonFC | though I would think that if you're using Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, that the GNU is an important part of the name | Sep 12 16:31 |
DaemonFC | because otherwise people may think you're using the entire FreeBSD stack | Sep 12 16:31 |
DaemonFC | Linux hasn't traditionally shipped with any other components besides the GNU libraries, utilities, etc., so there is no need for a distinction | Sep 12 16:32 |
schestowitz | Bad analogy | Sep 12 16:33 |
DaemonFC | it's kind of like stating the obvious | Sep 12 16:33 |
schestowitz | Pizza is not "Linux" | Sep 12 16:33 |
schestowitz | Linux is the olive | Sep 12 16:33 |
schestowitz | Pizza is the free desktop | Sep 12 16:33 |
trmanco | http://guerrillatech.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/ch-ch-ch-changes-and-kde-4-3/ | Sep 12 16:33 |
DaemonFC | you refer to "Elvis" the musician and people know you're likely talking about Elvis Presley | Sep 12 16:33 |
trmanco | but we don't call it Pizza/Olive | Sep 12 16:34 |
DaemonFC | if you meant some obscure musician ALSO with the first name Elvis, you may elaborate | Sep 12 16:34 |
schestowitz | It's like saying I war "cod" cause the pizza it's own is two vowels long | Sep 12 16:34 |
schestowitz | Linux uses the gnu compiler | Sep 12 16:34 |
schestowitz | So at hardware level there is gnu also | Sep 12 16:34 |
DaemonFC | GNU/Linux defies proper naming convention | Sep 12 16:34 |
DaemonFC | that's my take on it anyway | Sep 12 16:34 |
schestowitz | Even gnu grub | Sep 12 16:34 |
trmanco | Linux is fine in my land | Sep 12 16:35 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: It doesn't need GRUB | Sep 12 16:35 |
Aondo | "this game works with pc and mac" great then it works with GNU/Linux too,... right? i have a PC! :D | Sep 12 16:35 |
DaemonFC | it can boot with LILO | Sep 12 16:35 |
schestowitz | "http://guerrillatech.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/ch-ch-ch-changes-and-kde-4-3/" | Sep 12 16:35 |
DaemonFC | actually, if we're talking pre-GRUB2, I much prefer LILO | Sep 12 16:35 |
DaemonFC | because the original GRUB is an unrelenting mess | Sep 12 16:36 |
schestowitz | "But what I want to talk about is KDE 4.3! Holy shit it’s so full of awesome!" | Sep 12 16:36 |
schestowitz | Cool. Others love it too. | Sep 12 16:36 |
DaemonFC | GRUB2 doesn't have to be patched to death to understand modern file systems and LVM | Sep 12 16:36 |
DaemonFC | that's a good start | Sep 12 16:36 |
schestowitz | Windows is called after the gui (windows) | Sep 12 16:36 |
schestowitz | It's like calling gnu/linux "kde" | Sep 12 16:37 |
_Hicham_ | GRUB2 does support every filesystem | Sep 12 16:37 |
_Hicham_ | probably ur talking about grub legacy | Sep 12 16:37 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: You could call it Windows/NTOSKRNL.EXE | Sep 12 16:37 |
_Hicham_ | go see where u read that DaemonBoy | Sep 12 16:37 |
trmanco | LOL | Sep 12 16:37 |
schestowitz | it's nice to think of all the teams and foundations that make our desktop | Sep 12 16:37 |
DaemonFC | just in case anyone wouldn't understand what Windows was | Sep 12 16:37 |
DaemonFC | or you didn't want the NT OS Kernel to be overlooked | Sep 12 16:37 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 16:37 |
DaemonFC | but then you have to elaborate further for when it runs on multicore/multiprocessor systems | Sep 12 16:38 |
DaemonFC | it becomes Windows/NTKRNLMP.EXE | Sep 12 16:38 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 12 16:38 |
DaemonFC | like anyone cares | Sep 12 16:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/12/linux_zombies_push_malware/ | Sep 12 16:40 |
_Hicham_ | great, now we are having linux zombies | Sep 12 16:40 |
DaemonFC | since a Linux system is jsut a pile of parts someone glued together, and in some cases inhaled too many fumes halfway through and decided to install GNOME, I think it's very important to talk about what projet you mean in particular | Sep 12 16:40 |
_Hicham_ | but they didn't mention which type of linux is this | Sep 12 16:41 |
_Hicham_ | maybe SUSE with Mono in it ? | Sep 12 16:41 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_: OpenSuse of course, and the worms are in dlls and exes | Sep 12 16:41 |
DaemonFC | just like all the other software | Sep 12 16:41 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 12 16:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/11/albert_gonzalez_enters_plea/ | Sep 12 16:42 |
DaemonFC | for some reason, Ktorrent isn't working at all | Sep 12 16:46 |
schestowitz | check the isp | Sep 12 16:47 |
schestowitz | Share ISOs | Sep 12 16:47 |
DaemonFC | well, there it goes, kind of | Sep 12 16:47 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 12 16:47 |
schestowitz | Comkkkast is throttling torrent | Sep 12 16:47 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: They can't do that anymore apparently | Sep 12 16:48 |
DaemonFC | but really, who knows? | Sep 12 16:48 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I think they can and so | Sep 12 16:48 |
schestowitz | Other ISPs too | Sep 12 16:48 |
schestowitz | I read about it recentluy | Sep 12 16:48 |
schestowitz | And the FCC is overwhelmed by bullies (lobbyists) | Sep 12 16:48 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: download Switerland from the EFF | Sep 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | Test the connection with it | Sep 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/eighth_annivers.html | Sep 12 16:49 |
MinceR | 172616 < DaemonFC> the GNU/Linux spammers really do need to cool it | Sep 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | The US probably just increases the panic | Sep 12 16:49 |
MinceR | have fun with Android, then :> | Sep 12 16:49 |
schestowitz | Thus giving the conpirators what they want | Sep 12 16:50 |
DaemonFC | no thank you | Sep 12 16:50 |
schestowitz | And then uses the panic to futher decrease security by encouraging more Jihadists | Sep 12 16:50 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: What's that? | Sep 12 16:50 |
MinceR | see, that's the difference between plain Linux and GNU/Linux :> | Sep 12 16:50 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: No | Sep 12 16:50 |
DaemonFC | there's infinite ways of doing the wrong thing | Sep 12 16:50 |
DaemonFC | Google picked one of them | Sep 12 16:51 |
MinceR | sure | Sep 12 16:51 |
schestowitz | Adroid=just another hypephone, but with tivoised Linux under the hood | Sep 12 16:51 |
schestowitz | I.e. sr*p | Sep 12 16:51 |
MinceR | but there's an important practical difference here, imo | Sep 12 16:51 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 12 16:51 |
schestowitz | There's also their development of Linux | Sep 12 16:51 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Linspire was "GNU/Linux" as much as any of them | Sep 12 16:51 |
MinceR | one could say that X is an important component too, but its presence often depends on the user's choice | Sep 12 16:51 |
schestowitz | Android does at the end give some back to the community | Sep 12 16:51 |
schestowitz | I'd better get going | Sep 12 16:52 |
MinceR | and Linspire did most of the things a GNU/Linux distro could, didn't it? | Sep 12 16:52 |
MinceR | it was evil, but it was what it was | Sep 12 16:52 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Linspire flopped because they charged money | Sep 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: take care of the rooster (Ryan) | Sep 12 16:52 |
DaemonFC | not because they were evil | Sep 12 16:52 |
MinceR | others charged money too... and they survive | Sep 12 16:52 |
DaemonFC | Mandriva is borderline | Sep 12 16:52 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu is a loss leader | Sep 12 16:52 |
DaemonFC | Debian only has to keep the lights on through donations | Sep 12 16:53 |
DaemonFC | and Fedora is Red Hat's playground | Sep 12 16:53 |
DaemonFC | the rest are usually pet projects or government projects | Sep 12 16:53 |
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DaemonFC | and Microsoft is propping up Novell Suse | Sep 12 16:53 |
DaemonFC | and Xandros | Sep 12 16:53 |
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DaemonFC | Linux can either get you a fortune or get you broke | Sep 12 16:54 |
DaemonFC | depends on if you go after the customers that have money and will pay it (Red Hat) or not (Linspire) | Sep 12 16:54 |
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zlg | red hat does not sell software, they VAR, they just happen to do with with Open Source software. | Sep 12 16:56 |
DaemonFC | the hobbies, projects, and government-backed distros are probably the safest place to be | Sep 12 16:56 |
DaemonFC | zlg: Yes, support and value added services | Sep 12 16:56 |
DaemonFC | they thrive even though clones are freely available and circulated | Sep 12 16:57 |
DaemonFC | that should tell you their clientele | Sep 12 16:57 |
MinceR | there are other business models too | Sep 12 16:57 |
MinceR | for example selling your own computers with linux :) | Sep 12 16:57 |
zlg | again, your selling computers not software. | Sep 12 16:57 |
DaemonFC | I think Ubuntu will either become profitable or get the axe within 3-5 years | Sep 12 16:58 |
DaemonFC | once Shuttleworth gets tired of funding it, in theory, the $10 million dollars and the foundation kick in | Sep 12 16:59 |
DaemonFC | that should keep them going for some time I guess | Sep 12 16:59 |
zlg | Conanical's business model is to sell proprietary software and apps | Sep 12 16:59 |
DaemonFC | and support | Sep 12 16:59 |
zlg | yes | Sep 12 17:00 |
DaemonFC | they're trying to be a cheap RHEL and SUSE alternative | Sep 12 17:00 |
DaemonFC | their support prices are very reasonable compared to RHEL and Suse | Sep 12 17:00 |
DaemonFC | and I wish them all the luck in the world | Sep 12 17:00 |
DaemonFC | hopefully they'll nibble at Novell until they can replace them | Sep 12 17:01 |
_Hicham_ | they can't replace Novell | Sep 12 17:01 |
DaemonFC | I'd much rather see Canonical there than Novell | Sep 12 17:01 |
_Hicham_ | Novell is too big | Sep 12 17:01 |
DaemonFC | Novell is a failing company | Sep 12 17:02 |
DaemonFC | when the Microsoft handouts go away, Novell will go bankrupt | Sep 12 17:02 |
zlg | why is it too big, im sure the market is large enough for many players. | Sep 12 17:03 |
_Hicham_ | that is what u say | Sep 12 17:03 |
_Hicham_ | not the truth | Sep 12 17:03 |
DaemonFC | zlg: Either the market grows or the weak ones die out | Sep 12 17:03 |
_Hicham_ | they have their financial counselors | Sep 12 17:03 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu has a much better system than that clusterfuck, OpenSuse | Sep 12 17:03 |
zlg | both the market growns AND the weaker one go broke. | Sep 12 17:04 |
zlg | probably growns and grows :) | Sep 12 17:05 |
_Hicham_ | GNU/DeamonFC is the future | Sep 12 17:05 |
_Hicham_ | the strongest company that will ever exist on earth | Sep 12 17:06 |
_Hicham_ | rent a linux | Sep 12 17:06 |
zlg | got to put a "nux" after it | Sep 12 17:06 |
_Hicham_ | $1/day | Sep 12 17:06 |
zlg | GNU/DeamonFCnux | Sep 12 17:06 |
_Hicham_ | Rent a Linux Inc. by GNU/DaemonFC | Sep 12 17:06 |
zlg | I think RH and IBm have fairly good FOSS models, they dont sell computers, or software they sell solutions and services | Sep 12 17:10 |
zlg | It's hard to develop a viable busines model when your crown jewles are available to everyone, | Sep 12 17:11 |
zlg | How would coke be if everyone could make it at home. | Sep 12 17:11 |
zlg | the drink not drug | Sep 12 17:11 |
trmanco | DaemonFC: it's working here | Sep 12 17:22 |
_Hicham_ | what is working there trmanco ? | Sep 12 17:22 |
trmanco | Ktorrent | Sep 12 17:22 |
_Hicham_ | maybe he is using moontorrent now | Sep 12 17:23 |
trmanco | lol | Sep 12 17:23 |
trmanco | on kde? | Sep 12 17:23 |
trmanco | :-p | Sep 12 17:24 |
_Hicham_ | there are bindings for KDE and qt | Sep 12 17:24 |
_Hicham_ | kde-sharp and qt-sharp | Sep 12 17:24 |
DaemonFC | Monsoon? | Sep 12 17:28 |
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sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Sep 12 17:29 |
_Hicham_ | wb sebsebseb | Sep 12 17:30 |
sebsebseb | _Hicham_: thanks I guess | Sep 12 17:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Jordan drunk-texts her old shag http://notnews.today.com/?p=641 | Sep 12 17:38 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - FootieFox – A Must Have Firefox Addon For Football Fans http://tinyurl.com/ow4qej | Sep 12 18:37 | |
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_Hicham_ | DaemonFC the troll | Sep 12 18:38 |
_Hicham_ | still talking about GNU ? | Sep 12 18:38 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC is planning to release his first Linux distro : TroLLinux | Sep 12 18:39 |
_Hicham_ | which is the fruit on many years of trolling in public channel | Sep 12 18:39 |
_Hicham_ | as such, this distro will satisfy all the trolls | Sep 12 18:40 |
_Hicham_ | and as a consequence, trolling activity will cease to exist | Sep 12 18:40 |
MinceR | sounds good to me | Sep 12 18:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Microsoft: Windows 7 upgrade can take nearly a day: http://is.gd/3c7w6 || Ooooh boy... | Sep 12 19:06 | |
_Hicham_ | MinceR is upgrading to latest OSX | Sep 12 19:07 |
trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYY9BwlDK6U | Sep 12 19:07 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: will you, too stop trolling when TroLLinux comes out? | Sep 12 19:09 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR: remember well that u are the troll | Sep 12 19:10 |
_Hicham_ | u keep trolling in here | Sep 12 19:10 |
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_Hicham_ | wb jono | Sep 12 19:10 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR the troll | Sep 12 19:10 |
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MinceR | _Hicham_: could you at least stop highlighting me while you keep trolling? | Sep 12 19:12 |
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_Hicham_ | no | Sep 12 19:13 |
schestowitz | Meh. | Sep 12 19:14 |
_Hicham_ | senior schestowitz | Sep 12 19:16 |
_Hicham_ | what do u think of the linux zombies article ? | Sep 12 19:16 |
*DaemonFC builds Troll Linux with TrollTech toolkits | Sep 12 19:17 | |
MinceR | too bad TrollTech is gone :> | Sep 12 19:17 |
ThistleWeb | to be fair, if you want a troll linux, make sure you go with one made by trolling experts | Sep 12 19:17 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : how comes u regret TrollTech? | Sep 12 19:18 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: wonder what part of the stack is to blame | Sep 12 19:18 |
schestowitz | Could be PHP with uploaders | Sep 12 19:18 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: it was a good name :) | Sep 12 19:18 |
MinceR | other than that, i don't know what will come of it... so far things have been good | Sep 12 19:19 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : I am wondering if the attack wasn't from the inside | Sep 12 19:19 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : did u like their license also ? | Sep 12 19:19 |
MinceR | i like the switch to LGPL | Sep 12 19:19 |
_Hicham_ | the switch have been made after nokia acquired it, right ? | Sep 12 19:20 |
ThistleWeb | the dual licence, free for free software use, or paid for closed use is cool | Sep 12 19:20 |
schestowitz | They share the revenue | Sep 12 19:20 |
schestowitz | Fair enough | Sep 12 19:20 |
_Hicham_ | I want to use open source software in my closed source ones | Sep 12 19:20 |
MinceR | it did | Sep 12 19:20 |
schestowitz | And the code is still out there | Sep 12 19:20 |
_Hicham_ | as MinceR does | Sep 12 19:20 |
MinceR | i don't... yet | Sep 12 19:21 |
MinceR | but i think it's an advantage for Qt to let non-GPL software to use it like GTK+ | Sep 12 19:21 |
DaemonFC | Opera uses QT under the QPL | Sep 12 19:22 |
_Hicham_ | that is why GTK+ was picked by GNU project at the time | Sep 12 19:22 |
schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/09/microsofts-linux-best-buy-is-g.html | Sep 12 19:22 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC likes closed source programs | Sep 12 19:23 |
_Hicham_ | buy OpenBallnux | Sep 12 19:23 |
_Hicham_ | the best OS in the world | Sep 12 19:23 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : for how much time have u been trolling ? | Sep 12 19:25 |
MinceR | 0 seconds | Sep 12 19:26 |
MinceR | +/- 0% | Sep 12 19:26 |
schestowitz | Bob plays smart... http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=4227 | Sep 12 19:27 |
trmanco | geee | Sep 12 19:28 |
trmanco | what is this non sense? | Sep 12 19:28 |
trmanco | is kde develop any good for php? | Sep 12 19:30 |
trmanco | kdevelop* | Sep 12 19:31 |
trmanco | the stable version | Sep 12 19:31 |
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MinceR | finally | Sep 12 19:31 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 12 19:31 |
DaemonFC | this facebook widget is nice | Sep 12 19:31 |
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Omar87 | Hey there, folks. | Sep 12 19:37 |
MinceR | hay | Sep 12 19:38 |
schestowitz | Hi, Omar87. wb | Sep 12 19:41 |
amarsh04 | Schestowitz, did you see this: Why Microsoft is Australia's default buy http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27536/1090/ | Sep 12 19:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] So much for there being "no backlog" as they'd have us believe. If there was no backlog, they were vastly overstaffed for the demand. ht ... | Sep 12 19:44 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Mail backlog sorted in the street - The link didn't go through. http://tinyurl.com/kn28p9 | Sep 12 19:46 | |
schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/09/did-the-family-guy-cause-a-jump-in-fcc-indecency-complaints.ars | Sep 12 19:46 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, I wrote about it | Sep 12 19:47 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/11/microsoft-open-government/ | Sep 12 19:47 |
amarsh04 | ok, that's good... my ADSL drop-outs and long work week meant that I hadn't kept up on your postings | Sep 12 19:47 |
amarsh04 | thanks for the link | Sep 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: I thought about making audio from the daily links. | Sep 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | But I suck at recording. | Sep 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | Disney Sued For Selling The Pixar Lamp... And The Lawsuit Makes Sense < http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/09/did-the-family-guy-cause-a-jump-in-fcc-indecency-complaints.ars > | Sep 12 19:49 |
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zlg | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27649/53/ anogther Aussie business going to MS (or staying with them at least). | Sep 12 19:53 |
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schestowitz | Australia is captive | Sep 12 19:55 |
schestowitz | Change will not come from there | Sep 12 19:55 |
schestowitz | It's already coming from non-ENglish-speaking nations | Sep 12 19:55 |
*schestowitz found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USZzH1L6nKU | Sep 12 19:55 | |
zlg | Your right roy, you cannot do the Australian Govenrment Small business course unless you have excell, it's a shame as AU turn out some great FOSS coders. | Sep 12 19:58 |
Diablo-D3 | zlg: well, thats the fault of australians | Sep 12 19:59 |
Diablo-D3 | if they refuse to sue, then let them suffer' | Sep 12 19:59 |
Diablo-D3 | you cant help someone who wont help themselves | Sep 12 19:59 |
zlg | Sue for what is the problem, AU are not big on litigation at the best of times. | Sep 12 20:00 |
Diablo-D3 | theres something to sue them for | Sep 12 20:00 |
Diablo-D3 | even if it forced .au to hand out free copies of excel, it'd be an improvement | Sep 12 20:01 |
Diablo-D3 | anything that effects microsoft's bottom line is good | Sep 12 20:01 |
Diablo-D3 | zlg: though the big problem is | Sep 12 20:01 |
Diablo-D3 | why doesnt OOo work here? | Sep 12 20:02 |
zlg | Yes, I guess you could try to sue the government but probably would not fly here, and your right I dont remember them providing the software. | Sep 12 20:02 |
zlg | their business plan was a highly embedded XLS file filled with VBA so I dont know. | Sep 12 20:02 |
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Diablo-D3 | heh | Sep 12 20:03 |
wallclimber | Just a small comment on one of the latest BN Novell articles. The first paragraph ends with this: "...so this post might be worth skipping." and I think that's unnecessary. You should never, ever tell your readers to skip reading. | Sep 12 20:03 |
wallclimber | If even the writer says it's worth skipping, then the reader may conclude that it wasn't worth writing either. | Sep 12 20:03 |
Diablo-D3 | zlg: thats super gay... its an abuse of excel to begin with | Sep 12 20:03 |
wallclimber | If something's important enough to be written about, then it's important enough to be read... | Sep 12 20:04 |
Diablo-D3 | you have to be a moron to think complex excel documents is worth doing | Sep 12 20:04 |
Diablo-D3 | wallclimber: hardly | Sep 12 20:04 |
wallclimber | hardly? | Sep 12 20:04 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: good point. | Sep 12 20:04 |
zlg | Yes, and it's a HUGE program, it gives grants and pays you a wage for a period to get going so alot or more small businesses start that way. | Sep 12 20:04 |
amarsh04 | what I don't like is the "exclusively microsoft" line... if schools and universities in .au all included OOo/Abiword/Audacity/Firefox on standard desktop images then there would at least be the acceptance of those who do their work on non-microsoft operating systems | Sep 12 20:04 |
Diablo-D3 | wallclimber: its worth writing for one person, its not worth reading for the rest | Sep 12 20:04 |
schestowitz | My worry is that uninteresting things will be read and then be generalised for the rest | Sep 12 20:04 |
Diablo-D3 | wallclimber: lets face it, most of the internet is myspace or livejournal scribblings. | Sep 12 20:05 |
ThistleWeb | good point wallclimber some writers inadvertently project onto readers from time to time | Sep 12 20:05 |
Diablo-D3 | most writing is just ego stroking. | Sep 12 20:05 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: thanks for the advice | Sep 12 20:05 |
wallclimber | Well, if when I had an art show, I met people at the door and said, thanks for coming, but you wouldn't miss much if you skip it and go somewhere else... | Sep 12 20:05 |
schestowitz | Some of those posts I do to help myself though... keep track of Novell | Sep 12 20:05 |
Diablo-D3 | zlg: well, if money is actually involved, someones should sue microsoft.au and gov.au for .... something | Sep 12 20:06 |
schestowitz | Only those who are curious might wanna read it | Sep 12 20:06 |
Diablo-D3 | zlg: even making a shitload of noise over this is an improvement | Sep 12 20:06 |
schestowitz | Likewise for SCO in Groklaw | Sep 12 20:06 |
schestowitz | I'm not getting to much into SCO PDFs and stuff | Sep 12 20:06 |
MinceR | excel fails at math anyway. use gnumeric. | Sep 12 20:06 |
wallclimber | I'd be wrong to do that...they should be able to choose for themselves | Sep 12 20:06 |
MinceR | holy major lag, batman! | Sep 12 20:06 |
MinceR | i got the last 18 lines in 1 second | Sep 12 20:06 |
Diablo-D3 | when your choice is obviously retarded, you shouldnt be able to choose | Sep 12 20:06 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: it's different from visiting | Sep 12 20:06 |
schestowitz | I'm not denying or driving away | Sep 12 20:07 |
Diablo-D3 | this is why we have standards: so all your choices have to be acceptable. | Sep 12 20:07 |
schestowitz | I'm trying to advice | Sep 12 20:07 |
zlg | your right there was no good reason for it to be that complicated, and it was data you should know how to minipulate yourself anyway, | Sep 12 20:07 |
Diablo-D3 | zlg: I mean, I'd understand if they had a basic computing class under this course | Sep 12 20:07 |
Diablo-D3 | since .au isnt exactly well educated, small business owners really need to learn how to use computers | Sep 12 20:08 |
wallclimber | Well, i just know it's not good to greet people at the door with a negative comment about your own work...not intending to critisize, just offering an opinion... | Sep 12 20:08 |
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zlg | Yes, ofcourse Diable | Sep 12 20:08 |
Diablo-D3 | but I don't like the .au government pushing microsoft products | Sep 12 20:08 |
Diablo-D3 | especially _when they dont work_ | Sep 12 20:08 |
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Diablo-D3 | and doubly especially when they wont pay for them | Sep 12 20:09 |
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MinceR | not paying is not a problem, pushing and using is. | Sep 12 20:09 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: they cant push ms office | Sep 12 20:09 |
Diablo-D3 | you know why | Sep 12 20:09 |
Diablo-D3 | people get it for free in Diablo's Magical Perfect World | Sep 12 20:09 |
Diablo-D3 | and then microsoft charges for upgrades | Sep 12 20:09 |
Diablo-D3 | they alllll run to OOo. | Sep 12 20:10 |
MinceR | in Mincer's Magical Perfect World, people don't get m$ office | Sep 12 20:10 |
Diablo-D3 | well, I think ms office should exist | Sep 12 20:10 |
MinceR | office suite devels get it, in source code form. | Sep 12 20:10 |
Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Sep 12 20:10 |
Diablo-D3 | there is no light without darkness. | Sep 12 20:10 |
MinceR | to torture m$ managers before execution? | Sep 12 20:11 |
Diablo-D3 | not that OOo is much of a light | Sep 12 20:11 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: I have a question | Sep 12 20:11 |
Diablo-D3 | but you get the point | Sep 12 20:11 |
MinceR | it isn't | Sep 12 20:11 |
schestowitz | As a reader, have a look at that post | Sep 12 20:11 |
MinceR | but at least it isn't m$ offic | Sep 12 20:11 |
MinceR | e | Sep 12 20:11 |
schestowitz | See if you find it worth readinf | Sep 12 20:11 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.projectwonderful.com/advertisehere.php?id=38219&type=3 | Sep 12 20:11 |
Diablo-D3 | I have a problem with this ad | Sep 12 20:11 |
Diablo-D3 | "meet beautiful women" | Sep 12 20:12 |
Diablo-D3 | so why didnt they show one? | Sep 12 20:12 |
schestowitz | It's too hard for me as a person who saw these things too much and proofread to see if those 3 posts about neutral Novell stuff is interesting to audience, like yourself | Sep 12 20:12 |
zlg | I read it ealier and i found it interesting enough | Sep 12 20:17 |
wallclimber | Well, i think the difference here is that you are looking at it with regular readers in mind. because i send links to BN out to people who are new to the whole Novell/Microsoft/Linux thing, it seemed unfortunate that you'd tell readers that something was skippable. Maybe saying that those who are already familiar with the Novell story might want to skip, but encourage new ones to read more... | Sep 12 20:17 |
schestowitz | Thanks. | Sep 12 20:17 |
schestowitz | Be brutally honest anyway | Sep 12 20:17 |
wallclimber | I dunno, it just bothered me for some reason... :) | Sep 12 20:17 |
MinceR | could have been beautiful before the warp tool | Sep 12 20:17 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: I was trying to do the opposite | Sep 12 20:18 |
zlg | I would just proitrise the big news first and "filler" underneath | Sep 12 20:18 |
wallclimber | I found it interesting too...didn't skip it :) | Sep 12 20:18 |
schestowitz | As in be humble if the content is banal to most people. It's Novell's proprietary side | Sep 12 20:18 |
schestowitz | zlg: in the front page it's already abbreviated | Sep 12 20:18 |
schestowitz | So as to occupy less space and expand on demand | Sep 12 20:18 |
zlg | cool | Sep 12 20:19 |
wallclimber | Being humble doesn't mean belittling your work (I know that wasn't at all what you intended, but...) | Sep 12 20:19 |
zlg | its more letting the facts speak for themselves, much further comment is not as necessary. | Sep 12 20:20 |
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wallclimber | zlg, that 's it, exactly | Sep 12 20:20 |
wallclimber | though it's also good to have some commentary to help people understand where the information fits in the overall picture | Sep 12 20:21 |
wallclimber | to me, that's what sites like Groklaw and BN are best used for: putting the pieces together | Sep 12 20:22 |
wallclimber | gaining a better overall picture of important (and yes, sometimes boring) technology issues | Sep 12 20:23 |
zlg | yes, I was thinking the same, that is what reporting is all about, that has to be explained | Sep 12 20:24 |
wallclimber | I think BN has improved tremendously since its early days, and it's a great resource | Sep 12 20:24 |
wallclimber | for learning | Sep 12 20:25 |
wallclimber | it's also, quite obviously, doing a lot of good | Sep 12 20:26 |
wallclimber | - I feel like I've interrupted the flow of conversation. Didn't mean to do that. | Sep 12 20:30 |
zlg | Im sure you didn't and yes, it has dome some good, | Sep 12 20:33 |
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schestowitz | wallclimber: no, no interruption | Sep 12 20:35 |
Omar87 | Can somebody help me decide exactly which Slackware image I should download? | Sep 12 20:35 |
schestowitz | I was on the phone | Sep 12 20:35 |
schestowitz | Omar87: which one/s do you have? Not just 32/64? | Sep 12 20:35 |
schestowitz | Omar87: in SLackware you'd need to startx manually. Is it for a server you want it for? Slackware and Gentoo are said to be for ricers | Sep 12 20:36 |
DaemonFC | haven't used Slackware in a long time | Sep 12 20:36 |
schestowitz | Many haven't | Sep 12 20:37 |
schestowitz | It's a grandpa | Sep 12 20:37 |
DaemonFC | like, I had it on my 486 | Sep 12 20:37 |
schestowitz | [of Linux] | Sep 12 20:37 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 20:37 |
schestowitz | Slackware 11: Grandfather Distribution Showing Its Age < http://www.osnews.com/story/16319/Slackware_11_Grandfather_Distribution_Showing_Its_Age > | Sep 12 20:37 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: No, actually I want to use it on my laptop. | Sep 12 20:38 |
DaemonFC | Kubuntu 9.10 is turning out surprisingly good | Sep 12 20:39 |
DaemonFC | I thought for sure that KDE 4 would never get cleaned up | Sep 12 20:39 |
schestowitz | kde 4 that is | Sep 12 20:40 |
schestowitz | I saw it in 4.1, it was clean but lacking some of the features I might want | Sep 12 20:40 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC: Cleaned up? | Sep 12 20:40 |
schestowitz | Stable, self-contained, polished | Sep 12 20:40 |
schestowitz | Nothing fails in it now. Everything from sound to integration and stability is mint | Sep 12 20:41 |
schestowitz | And it's an 'alpha' they tell us | Sep 12 20:41 |
DaemonFC | KDE 4 was a disaster area | Sep 12 20:41 |
schestowitz | What a waste: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/new-book-pentaho-solutions-available-from-john-wiley-amp-sons,954949.shtml | Sep 12 20:41 |
schestowitz | kde4, DaemonFC | Sep 12 20:42 |
DaemonFC | ~80,000 patches later, it works | Sep 12 20:42 |
schestowitz | It's one of a family | Sep 12 20:42 |
schestowitz | Progressive | Sep 12 20:42 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: how are your firefox UI fonts? | Sep 12 20:42 |
schestowitz | Mine are larger than I wish for them to be | Sep 12 20:42 |
schestowitz | It used to be adjustable in ancient firefox | Sep 12 20:43 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you use the installer provided? | Sep 12 20:43 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 12 20:43 |
schestowitz | Synaptic | Sep 12 20:43 |
DaemonFC | fonts are fine, but mouse positioning in Flash video players are whacked | Sep 12 20:43 |
DaemonFC | *shrug* | Sep 12 20:43 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/hungary-says-yes-to-open-source---but-keeps-the-lion-s-share-for-microsoft-1811 | Sep 12 20:45 |
MinceR | that's the way things go in absurdistan | Sep 12 20:48 |
schestowitz | OK, done | Sep 12 20:49 |
schestowitz | Now I'm bored with Stellarium | Sep 12 20:49 |
schestowitz | I wish there was zooming | Sep 12 20:50 |
wallclimber | Stellarium is a LOT more fun when you have little kids to show it to | Sep 12 20:56 |
wallclimber | if you have nieces and nephews over to visit, or neighbor kids, you'll see...they love it | Sep 12 20:57 |
schestowitz | I found focus | Sep 12 21:02 |
schestowitz | It's the mouse scroller | Sep 12 21:02 |
schestowitz | I traces Mars for a bit. it's fun. I could also change scenary, I just couldn't find the right menus | Sep 12 21:02 |
schestowitz | *scenery | Sep 12 21:02 |
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schestowitz | wallclimber: yeah, I know | Sep 12 21:02 |
schestowitz | I heard a while ago I might become an uncle next year :-p | Sep 12 21:03 |
wallclimber | you'll make a great uncle! | Sep 12 21:05 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: there are better things to show kids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsgKp_Vf6wI | Sep 12 21:05 |
schestowitz | With the Internet and all, lots of great stuff is at our fingertips | Sep 12 21:05 |
ThistleWeb | unless the niece or nephew decides to use windows ;) | Sep 12 21:05 |
amarsh04 | I preferred kstars to stellarium | Sep 12 21:05 |
schestowitz | For the past 1.2 weeks I've watched all 12 parts of Cosmos (full thing, not just cips) | Sep 12 21:06 |
schestowitz | *slips | Sep 12 21:06 |
schestowitz | *clips | Sep 12 21:06 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: stellarium is x-platform | Sep 12 21:06 |
wallclimber | Roy will disown them if they use windows...lol | Sep 12 21:06 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, kstar was the first one I used...... back in SuSE 8.1 | Sep 12 21:06 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: some cracker will OWN them if they use WIndows | Sep 12 21:07 |
wallclimber | the best thing about little kids is that EVERYTHING is new to them, it's like seeing the world through brand new eyes when you teach kids | Sep 12 21:07 |
wallclimber | about the world | Sep 12 21:07 |
Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/3aWZTlXXEK0/358-Million-Patent-Judgment-Against-Microsoft-Overturned | Sep 12 21:07 |
Diablo-D3 | fffffffffffffffffffff | Sep 12 21:07 |
ThistleWeb | dunno about disowning, but they may learn to dread a visit to uncle Roy where they face a torrent of talk about why windows is bad | Sep 12 21:07 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: it's a pro and con | Sep 12 21:07 |
schestowitz | Danger and opportunity | Sep 12 21:07 |
schestowitz | Case of point: Hitler Youth | Sep 12 21:08 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I don't talk about this to people | Sep 12 21:08 |
ThistleWeb | so what are we? digital plums? | Sep 12 21:08 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Sep 12 21:08 |
wallclimber | well, hitler youth is a bit of an extreme...i'm talking about teaching them a love of learning | Sep 12 21:08 |
schestowitz | It's no use when you can't provide hyperlinks and at best you can describe something like KDE using words and make very vague guidance/advice on how to install rather than actually do it /for/ them | Sep 12 21:09 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: learning what? | Sep 12 21:09 |
schestowitz | Some kids are taught to recite verses and stuff... maybe not kids, but adolescents and matured kids | Sep 12 21:10 |
ThistleWeb | keeping their view of the world child-like while they grow is a valuable thing if you can, it keeps them open minded about the world when they encounter new stuff and are more able to process it properly | Sep 12 21:10 |
schestowitz | Part of the brain and evolution made kids follow parents | Sep 12 21:10 |
wallclimber | hmmm, i think we're talking about different things... | Sep 12 21:10 |
schestowitz | They don't get second chances when stepping next to a cliff | Sep 12 21:10 |
schestowitz | So they have blind trust in the parents (or trusted adult in their vicinity) | Sep 12 21:10 |
schestowitz | Other mammalian creatures like whales are the same | Sep 12 21:11 |
schestowitz | So many parents project themselves onto offsprings. It's both good and bad. | Sep 12 21:11 |
ThistleWeb | often adults lose the ability to really see the world around them because they have seen much of it and take it for granted, rather than being able to see it for the first time, even if they see it every day | Sep 12 21:11 |
schestowitz | ANd they discourage questions too | Sep 12 21:11 |
schestowitz | Like, "why id the sky blue?" | Sep 12 21:12 |
schestowitz | SOme kids are more inquisitive | Sep 12 21:12 |
schestowitz | And most parent lack the desire to provide real answers | Sep 12 21:12 |
wallclimber | when you find yourself in the presence of that new nephew, you won't be explaining complex things, but you'll be fascinated by how amazed children are at small things. Just teaching a child to tie their shoes (I know, I know, everything's velcro these days, but still) is a great experience | Sep 12 21:12 |
schestowitz | I say /most/ | Sep 12 21:12 |
schestowitz | My parents said I asked questions they could not answer when I was very little | Sep 12 21:12 |
schestowitz | Not that I remember it | Sep 12 21:12 |
ThistleWeb | many parents these days have a very full entertainment schedule, from tv to video games | Sep 12 21:13 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: Naa.. I keep my showlaces tied and slip the feet in. It's faster this way | Sep 12 21:13 |
schestowitz | *Shoelaces | Sep 12 21:13 |
wallclimber | That's what i meant about teaching children to learn. a parent will never be able to answer every question, but they can teach kids how to look for answers | Sep 12 21:13 |
ThistleWeb | it's easier to just let the kids run wild until they interrupt your movie, where you have to deal with them | Sep 12 21:13 |
schestowitz | Many kids don't learn | Sep 12 21:14 |
schestowitz | They are left to watch TV | Sep 12 21:14 |
schestowitz | I.e. commerce | Sep 12 21:14 |
schestowitz | And this thing called "education" | Sep 12 21:14 |
schestowitz | Where the agenda is built by Sony, Warner, etc. | Sep 12 21:14 |
schestowitz | I saw this 2 hours ago: | Sep 12 21:14 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090911/0136516161.shtml | Sep 12 21:14 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: isn't that supposed to be "education, education, education"? | Sep 12 21:14 |
schestowitz | "A Look At The RIAA's Copyright Propaganda For Schools" | Sep 12 21:14 |
amarsh04 | Jtrack 3d is a good online java program at nasa | Sep 12 21:14 |
schestowitz | Microsoft does the same thing and brags about it | Sep 12 21:14 |
schestowitz | THey do copyright brainwash, not just Office/WIndowsm indocrination for toddlers | Sep 12 21:15 |
wallclimber | ThistleWeb, you made me laugh out loud (louder than just an lol would indicate), unruly kids are great fun. Especially when you know they'll be going home to their parents soon | Sep 12 21:15 |
schestowitz | They should be outsted from the education system | Sep 12 21:15 |
ThistleWeb | hehehe | Sep 12 21:15 |
ThistleWeb | I sometimes wonder why machine gun nests are banned to keep the kids in line on the streets | Sep 12 21:16 |
amarsh04 | I must remind some of the local kindergarten / primary school staff that tuxpaint includes images of local birds in its clip art gallery | Sep 12 21:16 |
wallclimber | i remember one year when some dumbass schoolboard person decided they wanted some books removed from school libraries (Tom Sawyer was one of them). I took my son to the local book store, and we went through the entire list and I bought him every book on it. | Sep 12 21:17 |
wallclimber | He still remembers that. | Sep 12 21:17 |
ThistleWeb | though an arms race would no doubt ensue, with the kids new toys being "my first hand grenade" | Sep 12 21:17 |
wallclimber | ThistleWeb, for my own kids and grandkids, I've found the best tools for keeping them quiet and well-mannered are a big roll of duct tape, and a dark closet with a lock on it... | Sep 12 21:18 |
wallclimber | (guess i better note here that the above was just a case of grandma being silly...i swear, i've never duct taped anyone in the closet...honest) | Sep 12 21:19 |
trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/9920440 | Sep 12 21:20 |
ThistleWeb | lol | Sep 12 21:21 |
wallclimber | :) | Sep 12 21:21 |
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wallclimber | (the closet's in the basement) | Sep 12 21:21 |
wallclimber | well insulated... | Sep 12 21:21 |
wallclimber | no sound escapes | Sep 12 21:22 |
zlg | cable ties are prefered over duck tape :) | Sep 12 21:22 |
wallclimber | yes, but duct tape makes such a lovely ripping sound when it's removed at the end of the day | Sep 12 21:22 |
trmanco | Executable: ktorrent PID: 12825 Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault) | Sep 12 21:22 |
trmanco | oops | Sep 12 21:22 |
MinceR | what's the closet for? http://www.fugly.com/pictures/12926/duct_tape_kid_to_wall.html | Sep 12 21:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Another name change to get used to, laconica is now statusnet http://tinyurl.com/m9qp6j | Sep 12 21:24 | |
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wallclimber | :) I'm sending that picture to all my kids, they'll love it | Sep 12 21:24 |
ThistleWeb | it's even better when you build the ARGHHH!!! into the ripping off sound, and work that timing into a tune | Sep 12 21:25 |
ThistleWeb | I used to think it was called duck tape, which made me scratch my head as where ducks came into things | Sep 12 21:25 |
wallclimber | ok, people are starting to look at me strangely, i don't usually laugh while working in my office. They apparently think i'm having a senior moment | Sep 12 21:26 |
ThistleWeb | unless it meant that ducking was a good escape when someone comes running at you with ir | Sep 12 21:26 |
ThistleWeb | it* | Sep 12 21:26 |
ThistleWeb | duck and cover | Sep 12 21:26 |
schestowitz | MinceR: I think CHild Services would be called in | Sep 12 21:26 |
schestowitz | But the baby looks so happy !! | Sep 12 21:27 |
ThistleWeb | which is not to be confused with duck inthe oven | Sep 12 21:27 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 12 21:27 |
wallclimber | guess it's time to go duck tape the dog to the fence and invite the neighbor's cat over | Sep 12 21:27 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: the dog has fur/hair | Sep 12 21:27 |
schestowitz | THat would hurt later | Sep 12 21:27 |
schestowitz | But you know what they say... | Sep 12 21:27 |
schestowitz | There are x different ways to shave/skin a cat | Sep 12 21:27 |
schestowitz | DUCK tape | Sep 12 21:28 |
schestowitz | Quack Quack | Sep 12 21:28 |
MinceR | nah, don't be so cruel. kill the dog quickly. | Sep 12 21:28 |
ThistleWeb | unless it was advertised by Donald Duck in a Disney partnership and the name just stuck | Sep 12 21:28 |
wallclimber | ok, i have to say that i have a great dog, and she's very smart and well-mannered. i'd never be unkind to her. she's my best friend | Sep 12 21:29 |
schestowitz | Another member of Microsoft's board is jumplng ship | Sep 12 21:30 |
schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/09/microsoft_board_member_cash_leaving_no_word_on_possible_replacement.html?ana=from_rss | Sep 12 21:30 |
schestowitz | Why do humans make better firends with their species? It's genetic, isn't it? | Sep 12 21:31 |
schestowitz | A person can do better with pets for reciprocity | Sep 12 21:31 |
schestowitz | Man feeds cow, cow makes milk (And meat *eeek*)( | Sep 12 21:31 |
ThistleWeb | pets are unconditional | Sep 12 21:31 |
ThistleWeb | people are not | Sep 12 21:31 |
schestowitz | Well, they have to comply | Sep 12 21:31 |
schestowitz | We men mastered fiaaaahhh! | Sep 12 21:32 |
schestowitz | [and women] | Sep 12 21:32 |
wallclimber | with pets, as with people, you get back what you give... | Sep 12 21:32 |
schestowitz | Disambiguation: | Sep 12 21:32 |
ThistleWeb | ahh, the pooper scooper analogy | Sep 12 21:32 |
MinceR | men mastered women? that's new :> | Sep 12 21:32 |
schestowitz | Women master fire. | Sep 12 21:32 |
schestowitz | Not men mastred women | Sep 12 21:32 |
schestowitz | ALthough it was true in the past | Sep 12 21:32 |
MinceR | oh. | Sep 12 21:33 |
ThistleWeb | cats only let us think we're in charge, they play us | Sep 12 21:33 |
MinceR | i thought men never really understood women :> | Sep 12 21:33 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: sounds right | Sep 12 21:33 |
schestowitz | Look at the OS X OSes | Sep 12 21:33 |
schestowitz | Very elitist | Sep 12 21:33 |
wallclimber | lol...this is a good time for me to go do other things...bye for now | Sep 12 21:33 |
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schestowitz | The leopards and tigers and Snot [sic] leopards | Sep 12 21:33 |
schestowitz | What will OS 10.7 be called? | Sep 12 21:34 |
MinceR | it's a disgrace to cats to call osx that | Sep 12 21:34 |
schestowitz | "Kitty"? | Sep 12 21:34 |
schestowitz | "Pussy"? | Sep 12 21:34 |
schestowitz | As in Mac OS X codename Puppy [a type of cat] | Sep 12 21:34 |
schestowitz | No wonder OS X hates mice (with 2 buttons) | Sep 12 21:35 |
schestowitz | The Mac cats chew off the limps of mice | Sep 12 21:35 |
schestowitz | *limbs | Sep 12 21:38 |
MinceR | limping comes afterwards, though :> | Sep 12 21:38 |
schestowitz | Hehe. Lxer called Jono "Jona" | Sep 12 21:38 |
schestowitz | Like Yonah | Sep 12 21:39 |
schestowitz | MinceR: yes, transplants do that | Sep 12 21:39 |
ThistleWeb | leading an arc of former windows users to safety from the flood of malware | Sep 12 21:39 |
ThistleWeb | jona was the arc story right? | Sep 12 21:39 |
schestowitz | Yeah. | Sep 12 21:40 |
schestowitz | But it's also a European name | Sep 12 21:40 |
schestowitz | Nordic I think | Sep 12 21:40 |
ThistleWeb | thought so, after I said that I had second thoughts, it didn't sound right | Sep 12 21:40 |
schestowitz | Here is the post: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/10/lifehacker-and-ubuntu-a-response/ | Sep 12 21:41 |
ThistleWeb | "the power of community compels thee" | Sep 12 21:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27664/53/ | Sep 12 21:43 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: well, what they do in Ubuntu reach everyone else | Sep 12 21:43 |
schestowitz | But they are GNOME-focused | Sep 12 21:43 |
schestowitz | Fair 'nuff | Sep 12 21:43 |
schestowitz | Shuttleworth might swap over to KDE one day | Sep 12 21:44 |
schestowitz | Not any time soon though | Sep 12 21:44 |
schestowitz | His users and enterprises too depend on GNOME now | Sep 12 21:44 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu could become a dual-DE distros | Sep 12 21:44 |
schestowitz | As much as they wish to avoid it | Sep 12 21:44 |
schestowitz | Like OpenSUSE | Sep 12 21:44 |
schestowitz | With GNOME as default at first | Sep 12 21:44 |
ThistleWeb | I never liked the idea of a different DE becoming a different dirtso | Sep 12 21:45 |
MinceR | or they could just rename kubuntu to ubuntu and ubuntu to gubuntu | Sep 12 21:45 |
schestowitz | Then more 10.x or 11.x users will be tempted to try kde 5 or kde 4 | Sep 12 21:45 |
MinceR | i prefer multi-DE distros | Sep 12 21:45 |
ThistleWeb | most others dont change names when they put a new DE on | Sep 12 21:45 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, makes no choice | Sep 12 21:45 |
schestowitz | Duplication of efforts for them too | Sep 12 21:45 |
schestowitz | They try to standardise, they say... | Sep 12 21:45 |
schestowitz | But THEN... | Sep 12 21:45 |
schestowitz | They make another separate CD... | Sep 12 21:45 |
MinceR | it's also a cop-out from actually supporting major DEs | Sep 12 21:46 |
schestowitz | So where is the STANDARD? | Sep 12 21:46 |
ThistleWeb | not really, kubuntu and xubuntu hardly get much effort put in anyway | Sep 12 21:46 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/its-back-to-school-time-this-year-your-kids-get-taught-a-lesson-by-professor-riaa/ | Sep 12 21:46 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 21:46 |
ThistleWeb | it does add to the confusion though | Sep 12 21:46 |
schestowitz | Why not just admit they can augment the repos better? | Sep 12 21:46 |
MinceR | well, kubuntu and xubuntu are marginalized by this situation | Sep 12 21:46 |
schestowitz | Though kde-desktop in Ubuntu 7.04 worked well | Sep 12 21:46 |
schestowitz | ryan, handy, thanks | Sep 12 21:47 |
schestowitz | I want to decide on curricum TOO!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) | Sep 12 21:47 |
schestowitz | I say we all need to teach kids on why drinking coke is bad, bad, bad!! | Sep 12 21:47 |
schestowitz | Just 2 hours per week in all schools!! | Sep 12 21:48 |
schestowitz | Just 2 hours | Sep 12 21:48 |
MinceR | i say we need to teach kids how politicians and megacorps rip them off | Sep 12 21:48 |
schestowitz | But I guess it takes a lot of corrupt bastards like the conglematres to bribe enough politicans or grab enough chairs to decide how kids should be 'shaped' | Sep 12 21:48 |
DaemonFC | "(After you’ve pointed out that we could have made a billion dollars selling data that didn’t cost anything to duplicate, the children in your class will undoubtedly see the error of their ways." | Sep 12 21:48 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Sep 12 21:48 |
schestowitz | MinceR: it would make dissidence | Sep 12 21:49 |
schestowitz | We need servants, not indpedent thinkers :-p | Sep 12 21:49 |
MinceR | yeah, we need servants, not turrists | Sep 12 21:49 |
MinceR | :> | Sep 12 21:49 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have never had anything nice to say about RIAA/MPAA | Sep 12 21:49 |
DaemonFC | in my opinion, they're lower than Microsoft | Sep 12 21:49 |
DaemonFC | much lower | Sep 12 21:49 |
schestowitz | They are | Sep 12 21:49 |
schestowitz | I know | Sep 12 21:49 |
schestowitz | But it's another area | Sep 12 21:50 |
schestowitz | Banksters too | Sep 12 21:50 |
schestowitz | It takes accountants/economists to take the s* out of them | Sep 12 21:50 |
DaemonFC | there's certain things that even Microsoft has yet to do to their customers | Sep 12 21:50 |
schestowitz | We do computing | Sep 12 21:50 |
DaemonFC | the RIAA has already been there and bought the t-shirt | Sep 12 21:50 |
MinceR | at least the MAFIAA didn't put taxes on new computers...yet | Sep 12 21:51 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: They do actually | Sep 12 21:51 |
DaemonFC | part of the cost of Windows goes to the MPEG group and Fruanhofer for patent licenses | Sep 12 21:51 |
MinceR | so did they manage to put their tax on built-in HDDs too? | Sep 12 21:51 |
MinceR | oh. | Sep 12 21:51 |
DaemonFC | so they get their cut | Sep 12 21:51 |
MinceR | well, that's m$'s fault, not the MAFIAA's | Sep 12 21:51 |
MinceR | if we weren't forced to pay the m$ tax, the MAFIAA wouldn't get that | Sep 12 21:52 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, to be fair, they did try to undermine the other greedy corporate bastards with Windows Media | Sep 12 21:52 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 21:52 |
DaemonFC | so you can't say they didn't try | Sep 12 21:52 |
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DaemonFC | you think AAC is bad, just be grateful WMA went nowhere | Sep 12 21:54 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: any other industry would kill to be in Microsoft's position | Sep 12 21:56 |
DaemonFC | after they do research and development, they only have to make the first copy | Sep 12 21:56 |
DaemonFC | then they can make a billion more for the cost of the disc it's on and a cardboard box | Sep 12 21:56 |
DaemonFC | Who wouldn't love to have an opportunity like that? | Sep 12 21:57 |
Diablo-D3 | woah | Sep 12 21:57 |
Diablo-D3 | sam ramji quit microsoft | Sep 12 21:58 |
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schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yeah, not only him | Sep 12 22:03 |
schestowitz | Another member of the board has just quit | Sep 12 22:03 |
schestowitz | James Cash to Retire From Microsoft Board of Directors http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS176573+11-Sep-2009+PRN20090911 | Sep 12 22:05 |
schestowitz | Microsoft's Ballmer threatens iPhone with violence << http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/sep/11/steve-ballmer-iphone >> quoted for the headline | Sep 12 22:07 |
Diablo-D3 | wtf is going on at microswoft | Sep 12 22:07 |
schestowitz | Harvard professor leaving Microsoft's board http://www.cnbc.com/id/32802816 | Sep 12 22:07 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: you don't know??? | Sep 12 22:07 |
schestowitz | It has been dying since 2008 at least | Sep 12 22:08 |
schestowitz | staff exodus | Sep 12 22:08 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I mean, other than the usual brand of fail | Sep 12 22:08 |
schestowitz | They borrow money now | Sep 12 22:08 |
Diablo-D3 | they've had an ongoing staff exodus for like 20 years dude | Sep 12 22:08 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is dying | Sep 12 22:08 |
Diablo-D3 | has netcraft confirmed it? | Sep 12 22:08 |
schestowitz | And laying off quietly (last week's news) | Sep 12 22:08 |
schestowitz | That's why they try to kill Linux. HAHA! | Sep 12 22:08 |
schestowitz | Sending trolls to sue | Sep 12 22:08 |
schestowitz | And Best Bribe staff to mock | Sep 12 22:09 |
MinceR | you mean Worst Buy? | Sep 12 22:10 |
schestowitz | Worst bribe | Sep 12 22:11 |
schestowitz | It backfired. | Sep 12 22:11 |
schestowitz | Badly | Sep 12 22:11 |
schestowitz | Ryan had the whitleblower leave a comment | Sep 12 22:11 |
schestowitz | Then asked to have it removed | Sep 12 22:11 |
schestowitz | Best Bribe bosses probably walk around swinging a massive axe | Sep 12 22:11 |
schestowitz | Golden Axe | Sep 12 22:11 |
schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/free-software-supporter | Sep 12 22:12 |
schestowitz | I'm keeping distant from the FSF | Sep 12 22:12 |
schestowitz | BN is its own creature, I guess. | Sep 12 22:13 |
schestowitz | No leaders, anarchy!!! Anarchy, I tellllls ya! | Sep 12 22:13 |
MinceR | that would be nice | Sep 12 22:13 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, I picked the right time to go to the store I guess | Sep 12 22:15 |
DaemonFC | lady in front of me forgot her shopper's card so I let her scan mine and I got all those gas discount points | Sep 12 22:15 |
DaemonFC | by the time my tank is dry, I'll have about 30 cents a gallon off | Sep 12 22:16 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Sep 12 22:17 |
schestowitz | It pays off to help people. Literally. | Sep 12 22:17 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have a gas guzzler | Sep 12 22:18 |
schestowitz | Where in UK stores can one buy a Sarko voodoo doll like the ones they banned in France? | Sep 12 22:18 |
DaemonFC | would have qualified for that gas guzzler rebate program except it got 1 mpg too much when it was new | Sep 12 22:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: keep it in your pants, then | Sep 12 22:18 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I don't mean SUV or anything | Sep 12 22:19 |
schestowitz | Sarko is big business to the extreme | Sep 12 22:19 |
DaemonFC | just not great mileage for a car | Sep 12 22:19 |
*MinceR wants an APC | Sep 12 22:19 | |
schestowitz | Who votes for this tool? | Sep 12 22:19 |
MinceR | it's unsafe to drive anything else, except a tank | Sep 12 22:19 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: a Stryker perhaps? | Sep 12 22:19 |
MinceR | Major Stryker? | Sep 12 22:19 |
DaemonFC | something with an autocannon and a few missile launchers? | Sep 12 22:19 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 12 22:19 |
MinceR | i was thinking along the lines of a BTR-90 | Sep 12 22:19 |
schestowitz | MinceR: with shells? | Sep 12 22:19 |
MinceR | that would be nice | Sep 12 22:19 |
MinceR | well, i think onboard weaponry would be illegal here | Sep 12 22:19 |
schestowitz | MinceR: for obstructions? | Sep 12 22:19 |
schestowitz | MinceR: use an on-board egg pelter | Sep 12 22:20 |
MinceR | hopefully armor isn't illegal | Sep 12 22:20 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Depends what you mean by "obstructions" I guess | Sep 12 22:20 |
MinceR | so that if an idiot runs into me at max speed, they won't be able to make a dent | Sep 12 22:20 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: walls and staff | Sep 12 22:20 |
DaemonFC | like, does the guy that darts in front of you then starts doing 15 mph count? | Sep 12 22:20 |
schestowitz | It's like clipping in Duke3D | Sep 12 22:20 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can accelerate it in other ways | Sep 12 22:21 |
schestowitz | Like ana armour fist | Sep 12 22:21 |
DaemonFC | cause in my book, that's a valid target | Sep 12 22:21 |
MinceR | like the guy who insist on coming into my lane despite the fact that there's no room for him and that he didn't signal | Sep 12 22:21 |
MinceR | s/st/sts/ | Sep 12 22:21 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: A cop tried to ticket me for not signaling in a "timely manner" | Sep 12 22:22 |
MinceR | well they don't do that here | Sep 12 22:22 |
DaemonFC | I told her "Nobody else even uses the damned things" | Sep 12 22:22 |
MinceR | at least not to wealthy people | Sep 12 22:22 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: tell them to go get the Madoffs | Sep 12 22:22 |
schestowitz | And stop nitpicking on drivers | Sep 12 22:22 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: obviously you didn't seem rich enough | Sep 12 22:22 |
schestowitz | And people who smoke plants | Sep 12 22:22 |
trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVvs6LmO_38 | Sep 12 22:22 |
schestowitz | trmanco: borowed from Compiz | Sep 12 22:23 |
schestowitz | *rro | Sep 12 22:23 |
ThistleWeb | in south africa they have flame throwers as car alarms | Sep 12 22:24 |
ThistleWeb | or they used to | Sep 12 22:24 |
schestowitz | trmanco: I'll put it in Daily Link to make people hungry for kde3 | Sep 12 22:24 |
ThistleWeb | to deter thieves and car jackers | Sep 12 22:24 |
schestowitz | *kde4 | Sep 12 22:24 |
trmanco | hahah | Sep 12 22:24 |
trmanco | use the slide back effect | Sep 12 22:24 |
trmanco | :D | Sep 12 22:24 |
trmanco | it's c000l | Sep 12 22:24 |
ThistleWeb | it may have been made illegal since peeps thought of doing it and started adapting their cars | Sep 12 22:25 |
DaemonFC | I liked that disintegration beam the cab driver had in Heavy Metal | Sep 12 22:25 |
schestowitz | trmanco: useful? | Sep 12 22:25 |
ThistleWeb | no way in hell a flame thrower would ever be legal in the UK | Sep 12 22:26 |
trmanco | no | Sep 12 22:26 |
trmanco | just eyecandy | Sep 12 22:26 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: not in cars anyway | Sep 12 22:26 |
schestowitz | Maybe express grilling | Sep 12 22:26 |
ThistleWeb | lol true | Sep 12 22:26 |
schestowitz | The USian army adopted flamethrowers IIRC | Sep 12 22:26 |
schestowitz | I read something 1-2 years ago | Sep 12 22:27 |
DaemonFC | Yahoo is knocking Pidgin offline | Sep 12 22:27 |
DaemonFC | dunno if it's intentional, but it takes all my other IM networks with it | Sep 12 22:27 |
DaemonFC | seems to be doing it more with Kopete though | Sep 12 22:28 |
DaemonFC | I wish I could slap people that use these horrible proprietary networks | Sep 12 22:28 |
schestowitz | You know what I've just realised? | Sep 12 22:28 |
DaemonFC | ? | Sep 12 22:29 |
schestowitz | amaok 2.1 in kde 4.3.1 is super stable | Sep 12 22:29 |
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schestowitz | Never crashed on me in almost a week | Sep 12 22:29 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: it also nukes Last FM | Sep 12 22:29 |
DaemonFC | enforces their paywall | Sep 12 22:29 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: fair enough for them | Sep 12 22:29 |
DaemonFC | as of yesterday | Sep 12 22:29 |
schestowitz | Blame last.fm | Sep 12 22:29 |
schestowitz | Amarok gives the integration for 'kickbacks[' | Sep 12 22:29 |
schestowitz | Don't like it? Don't use it | Sep 12 22:29 |
schestowitz | That's how FOSS makes money | Sep 12 22:29 |
schestowitz | Service | Sep 12 22:29 |
DaemonFC | kickbacks? | Sep 12 22:29 |
schestowitz | Scare quotes | Sep 12 22:30 |
schestowitz | amarok gets paid to make more subs, gets paid to develop. Everyone is happy, users may be too | Sep 12 22:31 |
schestowitz | ryan, use local music | Sep 12 22:31 |
schestowitz | http://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2009-on-bittorrent-6-gb-of-free-music-090312/ | Sep 12 22:31 |
schestowitz | I listen to it these days | Sep 12 22:32 |
schestowitz | Over 1000 songs, inc. good ones | Sep 12 22:32 |
schestowitz | I have amarok show me the wikipedia entries on the artists automatically | Sep 12 22:32 |
schestowitz | So I get to know those bands that give away free tracjks | Sep 12 22:32 |
schestowitz | They win, I win, MAFIAA loses | Sep 12 22:32 |
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DaemonFC_ | I'm calling their "support" | Sep 12 22:33 |
DaemonFC_ | again | Sep 12 22:34 |
DaemonFC_ | for reasons unknown | Sep 12 22:34 |
DaemonFC_ | oh damn them | Sep 12 22:35 |
schestowitz | WHose? | Sep 12 22:39 |
schestowitz | COmkkkast? | Sep 12 22:39 |
DaemonFC_ | yes | Sep 12 22:42 |
trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/2a13b2281d6f1d4b# | Sep 12 22:43 |
trmanco | see that | Sep 12 22:43 |
*DaemonFC_ is now known as DaemonFC | Sep 12 22:43 | |
trmanco | on kOla | Sep 12 22:43 |
*trmanco is now known as Ktrmanco | Sep 12 22:43 | |
Ktrmanco | :D | Sep 12 22:43 |
*Ktrmanco is now known as trmanco | Sep 12 22:44 | |
MinceR | the KDE version? | Sep 12 22:44 |
DaemonFC | they're sending a tech out on Monday | Sep 12 22:45 |
DaemonFC | wonderful | Sep 12 22:45 |
DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer: "Having a lovely time with my Comcrap Low Speed / Offline." 7 seconds ago | Sep 12 22:47 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Sep 12 22:47 |
*DaemonFC likes the Facebook widget | Sep 12 22:47 | |
DaemonFC | I can get a status change in between disconnects | Sep 12 22:47 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: They used to have commercials back when they were Roadrunner calling it "Roadrunner High Speed Online" | Sep 12 22:48 |
DaemonFC | so I started calling it "Slowrunner Low Speed/Offline" | Sep 12 22:49 |
schestowitz | trmanco: that's good stuff | Sep 12 22:49 |
schestowitz | The trolls will be pissed off | Sep 12 22:49 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 12 22:49 |
trmanco | my best one was from mint | Sep 12 22:49 |
DaemonFC | I'm not a troll, I just know a good job from a total mess | Sep 12 22:49 |
*schestowitz gate the facebook everything | Sep 12 22:50 | |
DaemonFC | GNOME is becoming more of a mess every release while KDE is getting better | Sep 12 22:50 |
trmanco | first time I've found a testimonial with "fangs" | Sep 12 22:50 |
schestowitz | *hates | Sep 12 22:50 |
trmanco | DaemonFC: you like KDE now a :-P | Sep 12 22:50 |
DaemonFC | trmanco: GNOME used to be my preference | Sep 12 22:50 |
schestowitz | GNOME RC is out | Sep 12 22:50 |
trmanco | DaemonFC: same here | Sep 12 22:50 |
schestowitz | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2009-September/msg00042.html | Sep 12 22:50 |
schestowitz | Just moments ago | Sep 12 22:50 |
DaemonFC | I used to use KDE then switched to GNOME full time around 2004-ish I think | Sep 12 22:51 |
trmanco | it's just a little incremental improvement | Sep 12 22:51 |
DaemonFC | now I'm back on KDE | Sep 12 22:51 |
schestowitz | 4,4 has some nice things | Sep 12 22:51 |
trmanco | gnome 2 in it's early days was buggy | Sep 12 22:51 |
schestowitz | Seigo writes about it | Sep 12 22:51 |
trmanco | I still remember it from 7.04 | Sep 12 22:51 |
schestowitz | He blogs less, writes more code | Sep 12 22:51 |
DaemonFC | trmanco: If you made a flip book out of every GNOME release in the last three years, I couldn't tell you which version was which | Sep 12 22:51 |
trmanco | schestowitz: QT is getting aster too | Sep 12 22:51 |
schestowitz | It's good for devs | Sep 12 22:51 |
trmanco | true | Sep 12 22:51 |
schestowitz | Unlike Mono marketing nonsense | Sep 12 22:51 |
trmanco | it always looks the same | Sep 12 22:52 |
schestowitz | That's what they brag about | Sep 12 22:52 |
DaemonFC | GNOME in Ubuntu started to suck after 7.10 | Sep 12 22:52 |
schestowitz | Widgets are easy to make | Sep 12 22:52 |
trmanco | IMO, it started getting better | Sep 12 22:52 |
schestowitz | I'll post some news in a while | Sep 12 22:52 |
schestowitz | Microsoft makes me laugh | Sep 12 22:52 |
schestowitz | Still abandoned by key staff | Sep 12 22:52 |
MinceR | s/Slowrunner/Roadcrawler/ | Sep 12 22:52 |
DaemonFC | between 7.10 and 9.04, they were both about equally unusable with GNOME maybe not being quite as bad | Sep 12 22:52 |
schestowitz | While Linux goes strong | Sep 12 22:52 |
DaemonFC | now KDE is in the lead | Sep 12 22:52 |
schestowitz | No wonder they send the trolls | Sep 12 22:53 |
trmanco | Gnome on 9.04 was certainly the best gnome I've ever used (minus the bloat) | Sep 12 22:53 |
schestowitz | And brainwash Staples/Best Bribe/Office Potty staff | Sep 12 22:53 |
DaemonFC | bloat is relative | Sep 12 22:53 |
trmanco | no tracker, no mono, nothing that would make things slower or bloated | Sep 12 22:53 |
DaemonFC | having preferences, features, and options that don't require tons of extra resource use is a good thing | Sep 12 22:53 |
trmanco | (just python) :-P | Sep 12 22:53 |
schestowitz | Anyone tried lancelot? | Sep 12 22:53 |
schestowitz | It's quoite RAM hungry | Sep 12 22:53 |
schestowitz | Even when not active as in open, just sitting there waiting for the click | Sep 12 22:54 |
DaemonFC | when you start throwing in the kitchen sink even though it makes the app 3 times as heavy, or removing options and features that had no effect on performance, you're gone crazy | Sep 12 22:54 |
trmanco | schestowitz: no, I'll wait until they put it on default | Sep 12 22:54 |
DaemonFC | that's where GNOME is heading | Sep 12 22:54 |
schestowitz | 20mb physical memory | Sep 12 22:54 |
trmanco | but it looks a lot better then the one that comes default now | Sep 12 22:54 |
schestowitz | Exc. shared and heap | Sep 12 22:54 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I am using Lancelot | Sep 12 22:54 |
DaemonFC | exclusively | Sep 12 22:54 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 12 22:54 |
DaemonFC | I like it | Sep 12 22:54 |
trmanco | so that's why they don't put it on by default | Sep 12 22:54 |
schestowitz | What ever happened to Raptor? | Sep 12 22:54 |
DaemonFC | changed the icon to the blue K | Sep 12 22:54 |
schestowitz | There was a Portuese dev working on it | Sep 12 22:54 |
DaemonFC | so it didn't look so out of place | Sep 12 22:54 |
trmanco | I have nepomunk enabled | Sep 12 22:55 |
trmanco | sorry, nepomuk | Sep 12 22:55 |
MinceR | nemopunk? :> | Sep 12 22:55 |
schestowitz | Lancelot maybe breaks Microsoft patent as "menu as racetangle" :-p | Sep 12 22:55 |
schestowitz | /s/as/of/ | Sep 12 22:55 |
trmanco | the original one is a rectangle too | Sep 12 22:55 |
MinceR | menus tend to be rectangular | Sep 12 22:55 |
trmanco | MinceR: yes it's a little punk when you first start it | Sep 12 22:56 |
schestowitz | trmanco: I was joking | Sep 12 22:56 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 12 22:56 |
schestowitz | Menus like this in general are not Microsoft's | Sep 12 22:56 |
schestowitz | That too they COPIED | Sep 12 22:56 |
schestowitz | Like most things | Sep 12 22:56 |
schestowitz | Copy and popularise | Sep 12 22:56 |
schestowitz | People will then even think you inventd it | Sep 12 22:56 |
trmanco | the search thing comes from where? | Sep 12 22:56 |
trmanco | mac I guess | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | Pre-XP | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | Yes, Apple too | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | MS copied it | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | There's memos | Sep 12 22:57 |
trmanco | you know | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | They did Spotlight | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | Badly | Sep 12 22:57 |
trmanco | kde needs a 3d chess game :-P | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | And Pogue took shots at them for it | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | David Pogue from NYT | Sep 12 22:57 |
trmanco | but K style | Sep 12 22:57 |
trmanco | Khess | Sep 12 22:57 |
MinceR | pogue is a crApple cultist, isn't he? | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | "Vista is not at all like OS X....." | Sep 12 22:57 |
DaemonFC | GNOME started with good intentions | Sep 12 22:57 |
schestowitz | [famous vid] | Sep 12 22:57 |
trmanco | Gnome started light | Sep 12 22:58 |
schestowitz | trmanco: it has oen | Sep 12 22:58 |
schestowitz | In KDE4 there's 3d chess | Sep 12 22:58 |
schestowitz | Since ages ago | Sep 12 22:58 |
DaemonFC | to be fair there did used to be a lot of stupid preferences and options cluttering up the place | Sep 12 22:58 |
schestowitz | ALso Marble | Sep 12 22:58 |
trmanco | schestowitz: name? | Sep 12 22:58 |
MinceR | gnome started out as a KDE clone :> | Sep 12 22:58 |
schestowitz | I've got to try Marble... | Sep 12 22:58 |
*trmanco searches | Sep 12 22:58 | |
MinceR | and it was better that way | Sep 12 22:58 |
DaemonFC | instead of stopping there they declared a War on Features | Sep 12 22:58 |
schestowitz | It uses openstreetmap, which improves over time | Sep 12 22:58 |
schestowitz | trmanco: can't recall | Sep 12 22:58 |
trmanco | "chess" returns a google search | Sep 12 22:59 |
*schestowitz installs marble | Sep 12 22:59 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: in the package manager | Sep 12 22:59 |
DaemonFC | I liked how Linus Torvalds put it | Sep 12 22:59 |
trmanco | ok | Sep 12 23:00 |
schestowitz | Linus will retry kde | Sep 12 23:00 |
schestowitz | He said so | Sep 12 23:00 |
DaemonFC | if they remove features because they don't have the developers to maintain it, that's understandable | Sep 12 23:00 |
schestowitz | e tried 4.0.0 | Sep 12 23:00 |
schestowitz | *he | Sep 12 23:00 |
DaemonFC | if they kill features because they declare the user to always be an idiot, that's not | Sep 12 23:00 |
schestowitz | Nice..... | Sep 12 23:00 |
schestowitz | Marble... | Sep 12 23:00 |
schestowitz | Doesn't look BUTT UGLY like Google Earth | Sep 12 23:00 |
sebsebseb | just, because Linus or Mark or someone famous like that, is useing Gnome or KDE or whatever, it doesn't mean that's the best one | Sep 12 23:00 |
sebsebseb | best program depends on a user and their needs | Sep 12 23:01 |
trmanco | Linus if influential, that's all | Sep 12 23:01 |
sebsebseb | people that follow what someone famous is doing when it comes to software choice, and only really, becasue of that, hmm | Sep 12 23:01 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Google Earth for Linux is a Windows program | Sep 12 23:01 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah the one with the edited Wine, no that's Piccasa for Linux I think | Sep 12 23:02 |
DaemonFC | it's wrapped in it's own miniature copy of Wine | Sep 12 23:02 |
DaemonFC | Google Earth does it too | Sep 12 23:02 |
schestowitz | Wikipedia integration also, like amarok | Sep 12 23:02 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, wine | Sep 12 23:02 |
schestowitz | Qt+opengl | Sep 12 23:02 |
schestowitz | So no idea why they ported so poorly | Sep 12 23:02 |
trmanco | AMAROK NEED EQ :-p | Sep 12 23:02 |
trmanco | oops | Sep 12 23:03 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: It makes sense to use Wine if you're using OpenGL anyway | Sep 12 23:03 |
DaemonFC | the performance impact is negligible | Sep 12 23:03 |
schestowitz | Make NO sense | Sep 12 23:03 |
DaemonFC | and it's code you don't have to rewrite | Sep 12 23:03 |
schestowitz | Cool! | Sep 12 23:03 |
schestowitz | It does many maps, including historical | Sep 12 23:04 |
schestowitz | Temperature maps also. | Sep 12 23:04 |
schestowitz | I'll play with it on Sunday | Sep 12 23:04 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's basically a way to support Linux without spending tons of money on a port or not doing one at all | Sep 12 23:04 |
DaemonFC | and leaving users to fend for themselves | Sep 12 23:04 |
MinceR | 000609 <@schestowitz> So no idea why they ported so poorly | Sep 12 23:04 |
MinceR | it's because they're google | Sep 12 23:04 |
MinceR | they utterly fail at software development | Sep 12 23:04 |
DaemonFC | my favorite bit was using GTK+ on the Linux version of Chrome | Sep 12 23:05 |
DaemonFC | ickth | Sep 12 23:05 |
DaemonFC | political decision | Sep 12 23:05 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 12 23:05 |
DaemonFC | probably figuring Ubuntu is the only thing anyone uses | Sep 12 23:05 |
trmanco | should have been QT | Sep 12 23:05 |
DaemonFC | Opera is QT and runs jsut fine under GNOME | Sep 12 23:06 |
schestowitz | There's room for addition in Manchester (GB) maps | Sep 12 23:06 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 12 23:06 |
trmanco | and vice versa | Sep 12 23:06 |
schestowitz | some street names are missing | Sep 12 23:06 |
trmanco | Gnome is GTK and it runs fine in KDE | Sep 12 23:06 |
schestowitz | I might add some via the openstreetmap site | Sep 12 23:06 |
DaemonFC | if they had to choose one or the other, QT makes more sense in a cross platform program | Sep 12 23:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm playing with Marble at the moment ( #kde ). It's amazing. | Sep 12 23:07 | |
DaemonFC | GTK+ on Windows is a train wreck | Sep 12 23:07 |
schestowitz | I tried to install GIMP on Windows | Sep 12 23:07 |
schestowitz | I succeeded, but it's complicated | Sep 12 23:07 |
schestowitz | Easier on Windows | Sep 12 23:07 |
trmanco | ? | Sep 12 23:07 |
schestowitz | I was on vacation at my cousins in Miami, so there was just WIndows | Sep 12 23:08 |
DaemonFC | Gimp has a 64-bit Windows build now | Sep 12 23:08 |
schestowitz | OOPS | Sep 12 23:08 |
trmanco | You got a little mixed there | Sep 12 23:08 |
schestowitz | I mean, easier on Linux | Sep 12 23:08 |
schestowitz | Windows makes it hard to use some FOSS | Sep 12 23:08 |
schestowitz | Maybe Firefox is OK, but other stuff required a stack of other staff | Sep 12 23:08 |
DaemonFC | and easier to use some too | Sep 12 23:08 |
DaemonFC | VLC is getting that way | Sep 12 23:08 |
MinceR | windows makes it hard to use the computer | Sep 12 23:08 |
schestowitz | Good luck getting MikTeX and staff for latex work, including lyx | Sep 12 23:08 |
schestowitz | In Linux it's a simple tickbox in the manager of packagers that will resolve all dependencies. | Sep 12 23:09 |
DaemonFC | VLC is getting that way just cause of politics | Sep 12 23:09 |
DaemonFC | VLC is hard to properly support on Linux just because of the nature of Linux | Sep 12 23:10 |
schestowitz | There is also coarse satellite data in Marble | Sep 12 23:10 |
DaemonFC | and then there's the patent laws which some distros care about and some don't | Sep 12 23:10 |
DaemonFC | so you get screwed jsut trying to get it to recognize your devices because of all the conflicting sound systems in Linux | Sep 12 23:11 |
DaemonFC | then if you succeed there, you may get a crippled copy that's missing codecs | Sep 12 23:11 |
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DaemonFC | that just tells you what kind of contempt that sites like Justin.TV and Ustream have for Theora and Vorbis | Sep 12 23:12 |
DaemonFC | wouldn't cost them a thing and they still demand nonfree formats from you | Sep 12 23:12 |
schestowitz | "We love you Ubuntu, but you're ugly!" < http://www.idreamoflinux.com/2009/09/we-love-you-ubuntu-but-your-ugly.html > | Sep 12 23:14 |
schestowitz | [by default] | Sep 12 23:15 |
schestowitz | But it's a matter of taste really | Sep 12 23:15 |
schestowitz | Some people want to taste brown foods like country bread... tastes good | Sep 12 23:15 |
schestowitz | I never use VLC | Sep 12 23:15 |
schestowitz | Kaffeine is wonderful | Sep 12 23:16 |
schestowitz | It uses qt4 now, as well | Sep 12 23:16 |
schestowitz | They added some nice panel stuff | Sep 12 23:16 |
schestowitz | Plays everything you throw it after Amarok downloads all the 'bad' codecs | Sep 12 23:16 |
schestowitz | MinceR: thoughts on this.... ? http://www.h-online.com/open/Apple-open-source-Grand-Central--/news/114221 | Sep 12 23:16 |
MinceR | it could be useful, i'm not sure | Sep 12 23:17 |
MinceR | i don't quite know what it is | Sep 12 23:17 |
schestowitz | WHat does it smell like? | Sep 12 23:20 |
schestowitz | TBH, Apple 'open source' never has the same same BO as so-called 'open source' which comes from Ballmer | Sep 12 23:20 |
schestowitz | http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/make-your-root-windows-pretty.htmlMake Your Root Windows Pretty | Sep 12 23:21 |
schestowitz | Oops. Make Your Root Windows Pretty --> http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/make-your-root-windows-pretty.html | Sep 12 23:21 |
schestowitz | Why is it ugly in the first place? | Sep 12 23:22 |
MinceR | nice idea | Sep 12 23:22 |
schestowitz | MinceR: related to it: Get the Most Out of Your Multicore Processor < http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6840/1/ > | Sep 12 23:23 |
MinceR | i mean, symlinking that stuff into /root is nice | Sep 12 23:23 |
schestowitz | In SUSE 8.1 root access gave me Qt with default palette colours, so white rather than my black | Sep 12 23:23 |
schestowitz | It looks funny | Sep 12 23:23 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: [IMG] http://opensource.org/node/465 | Sep 12 23:25 |
schestowitz | Our friend SweatyB | Sep 12 23:25 |
MinceR | seen it | Sep 12 23:25 |
schestowitz | /s/friend/fiend/ | Sep 12 23:25 |
schestowitz | MinceR: you read the site? | Sep 12 23:25 |
MinceR | nope | Sep 12 23:26 |
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MinceR | someone linked the image | Sep 12 23:26 |
schestowitz | Ballmer: "Fly my pretties...." | Sep 12 23:26 |
schestowitz | Jobs: "Fly my shinnnnnies.." | Sep 12 23:26 |
schestowitz | Linus: "Pretty fly for a white guy..." | Sep 12 23:26 |
schestowitz | RMS: "My fly's open?????" | Sep 12 23:27 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 12 23:27 |
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schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8250592.stm | Sep 12 23:28 |
schestowitz | He's from here in Manchester, like TOm Kilburn | Sep 12 23:29 |
schestowitz | First programmable computer in the world | Sep 12 23:29 |
schestowitz | First GNU/Linux distro also (MCC) | Sep 12 23:29 |
schestowitz | Software that I use that are not in the default install of ubuntu < http://shanefagan.com/2009/09/11/software-that-i-use-that-are-not-in-the-default-install-of-ubuntu/ > <---me : kde-desktop, first thing I do when installing Ubuntu | Sep 12 23:32 |
schestowitz | Since 2007 | Sep 12 23:32 |
schestowitz | Did OINk say which patents it got from Microsoft? | Sep 12 23:33 |
cubezzz | hmmm? | Sep 12 23:33 |
trmanco | LOL | Sep 12 23:34 |
trmanco | oink | Sep 12 23:34 |
schestowitz | it calls them weak, but any numbers? | Sep 12 23:34 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 12 23:34 |
schestowitz | Wait, I have an image | Sep 12 23:34 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/oin-oink.jpg | Sep 12 23:34 |
schestowitz | BTW: | Sep 12 23:34 |
schestowitz | FFII does not like OIN so much | Sep 12 23:34 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 12 23:35 |
schestowitz | But Moglen just gave kudos to OIN | Sep 12 23:35 |
schestowitz | So OIN is not the bad guy | Sep 12 23:35 |
schestowitz | Mayeb FFII is a little envious | Sep 12 23:35 |
schestowitz | OIN is a US thing | Sep 12 23:35 |
schestowitz | Where sw pats exist | Sep 12 23:35 |
cubezzz | I'm glad I wasn't around in the 50's | Sep 12 23:35 |
schestowitz | Why? | Sep 12 23:35 |
schestowitz | 50s were OK | Sep 12 23:35 |
schestowitz | Not so post-war | Sep 12 23:36 |
schestowitz | Unless you lived in Dresden or something | Sep 12 23:36 |
cubezzz | Look what happened to Turing... | Sep 12 23:36 |
cubezzz | didn't Babbage make the first programmable computer or was it never finished? | Sep 12 23:37 |
schestowitz | Updating timestamps of mp3 files alphabetically and recursively http://www.frenssen.be/?q=node/5 | Sep 12 23:37 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: not sure what he did. | Sep 12 23:37 |
schestowitz | They tried to 'cure' him | Sep 12 23:37 |
schestowitz | Who knows... maybe gave him hookers or something | Sep 12 23:37 |
cubezzz | injection with female hormones? | Sep 12 23:38 |
cubezzz | just seems wrong :) | Sep 12 23:38 |
cubezzz | ok, Babbage originated the concept of the programmable computer | Sep 12 23:38 |
cubezzz | he didn't actually build one | Sep 12 23:39 |
cubezzz | or complete it | Sep 12 23:39 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: what editor do you use? | Sep 12 23:40 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, then Turing machine | Sep 12 23:40 |
schestowitz | I learned all about it back in the days | Sep 12 23:40 |
schestowitz | What's it about female hormones? | Sep 12 23:41 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: nano | Sep 12 23:41 |
schestowitz | Wouldn't that make him even /more/ homosexual? | Sep 12 23:41 |
cubezzz | they tried to 'cure' Turing by injecting him with female hormones | Sep 12 23:41 |
schestowitz | Or worse yet, grow breasts or soemthing? | Sep 12 23:41 |
cubezzz | yeah, I was just thinking that | Sep 12 23:41 |
schestowitz | That's what typically would happen. | Sep 12 23:41 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: that's how they kill people | Sep 12 23:41 |
schestowitz | Like that Canadian dude whose penis was whacked by the machine at the hospital and whose doctors wanted to make him a female | Sep 12 23:42 |
schestowitz | He resented them for it and there's a documentary (at least one) about it | Sep 12 23:42 |
schestowitz | They try to mess with DNA using chemicals. It doesn't work that way | Sep 12 23:43 |
cubezzz | whacked? | Sep 12 23:43 |
schestowitz | We don't even know how to modify DNA sequences without creating uber-monsters | Sep 12 23:43 |
cubezzz | you mean it was removed? | Sep 12 23:43 |
MinceR | hormones can't change the DNA | Sep 12 23:43 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: some laser thing | Sep 12 23:43 |
MinceR | retroviruses can | Sep 12 23:43 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: something like that | Sep 12 23:43 |
schestowitz | Did he have a twin? | Sep 12 23:43 |
schestowitz | I can't recall | Sep 12 23:43 |
cubezzz | ok, but still I don't think the medical dudes from the 50's really understood what they were doing | Sep 12 23:44 |
cubezzz | not in Turing's case | Sep 12 23:44 |
schestowitz | Well, maybe it's an experiment | Sep 12 23:52 |
schestowitz | I used to think homosexuality was to do with how people are brought up | Sep 12 23:52 |
schestowitz | But what do I know....? | Sep 12 23:52 |
schestowitz | Gay people argue and show proof to show it's genetic | Sep 12 23:52 |
schestowitz | And someone recently claimed to have found the hereditary part that leads to it | Sep 12 23:53 |
schestowitz | What's baffling in all this is the principle of natural selection and why animals and humans still have this variation existing and thriving | Sep 12 23:54 |
schestowitz | If the assumption is that maximal reproduction -- as demeaning as it may seem -- is that which leads to more spreading of the genes | Sep 12 23:54 |
cubezzz | I can think of one possibility... | Sep 12 23:59 |
cubezzz | if a given animal overpopulates it's environment the gene kicks in... | Sep 12 23:59 |
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