cubezzz | there are well over 6 *10^9 humans | Sep 13 00:00 |
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MinceR | usually their food getting close to extinction or their predator also overpopulating kicks in | Sep 13 00:00 |
MinceR | there's no evolutionary advantage to a species limiting its own reproduction | Sep 13 00:01 |
cubezzz | except humans don't really have predators | Sep 13 00:02 |
cubezzz | unless you count other humans | Sep 13 00:02 |
MinceR | no apex predator does | Sep 13 00:02 |
MinceR | the food issue regulates them though | Sep 13 00:02 |
MinceR | in the case of humans, that doesn't work too well | Sep 13 00:02 |
MinceR | where did mozilla hide the source code download for firefox? | Sep 13 00:03 |
cubezzz | well we just keep encroaching on the environment more | Sep 13 00:03 |
MinceR | all i can get is the binary package | Sep 13 00:04 |
MinceR | i think i've found it | Sep 13 00:05 |
MinceR | but damn, it's hidden as if it was proprietary or something | Sep 13 00:05 |
MinceR | mozilla.com -> community/mozilla developer center -> participating in the mozilla project -> general topics/mozilla source code -> downloading the code using http or ftp -> links to the ftp server and http server in the text | Sep 13 00:08 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: bacterium | Sep 13 00:11 |
schestowitz | In theory, has many people rotten in a plague, then bacteria could flourish | Sep 13 00:11 |
schestowitz | *had | Sep 13 00:11 |
schestowitz | I'll do news now... | Sep 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | In my shiiiiiiiiiiiny kde widgets | Sep 13 00:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian #GNU #Linux Desktop Takes 3 Hours to Get Right, #Windows Takes 9 Hours http://bit.ly/ckUhH | Sep 13 00:15 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tattoos of the Future Galore http://bit.ly/yzjUv #linux #bsd | Sep 13 00:18 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] linuX-gamers.net Turns 6 http://bit.ly/4pk92E | Sep 13 00:20 | |
cubezzz | learning about modules a bit more | Sep 13 00:20 |
cubezzz | looking at this I would say the video driver isn't a module itself | Sep 13 00:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heaps of #Graphics Goodies Land on #Linux http://bit.ly/CBjhW http://bit.ly/1AMPsx http://bit.ly/3h4tn3 http://bit.ly/3w1zsU | Sep 13 00:22 | |
cubezzz | my next computer will have no binary blobs | Sep 13 00:22 |
cubezzz | I hope | Sep 13 00:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gains for #GNU #Linux in #Datacentres, #Hilti Moves to GNU/Linux #Servers http://bit.ly/3p4qIL | Sep 13 00:27 | |
schestowitz | Do you game? | Sep 13 00:27 |
schestowitz | LCA sell PCs in the west coast (US) with gnewsense preinstalled | Sep 13 00:28 |
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cubezzz | schestowitz, I play majesty and a few other games | Sep 13 00:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.3 is Loved http://bit.ly/41mkT , #GNOME Reaches New RC http://bit.ly/NmIJ3 | Sep 13 00:31 | |
cubezzz | stupid zaurus won't communicate | Sep 13 00:32 |
schestowitz | Graphics card require binaries usually | Sep 13 00:33 |
schestowitz | *cards\ | Sep 13 00:33 |
schestowitz | So the blob barrier is therr | Sep 13 00:33 |
schestowitz | Flash can be substituted with gnash | Sep 13 00:33 |
MinceR | or swfdec | Sep 13 00:35 |
MinceR | but it won't play everything | Sep 13 00:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Adds #Kongoni to List of Approves Free (Libre) Distributions http://bit.ly/2mslwC | Sep 13 00:36 | |
cubezzz | ok, I have computers with binary blobs but I want to build _one_ without binary blobs | Sep 13 00:37 |
cubezzz | of course commercial games themselves will be binary blobs but I have signed a NDA :) | Sep 13 00:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SmoothWall #GNU #Linux Distribution in the Washington Post (MelindaG) http://bit.ly/1bWoiD | Sep 13 00:38 | |
cubezzz | the loki games will probably always remain binary blobs | Sep 13 00:38 |
cubezzz | I'll call my new computer the "Stallman 5000" | Sep 13 00:39 |
cubezzz | weird, the zaurus doesn't seem to generate anything on dmesg | Sep 13 00:40 |
cubezzz | but it's working now | Sep 13 00:40 |
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cubezzz | wait a sec, nvidia does seem to be a module | Sep 13 00:43 |
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cubezzz | and I don't seem to have any source code at all for nvidia drivers | Sep 13 00:45 |
cubezzz | is that right, there's no open source driver for any nvidia card? | Sep 13 00:47 |
schestowitz | nv | Sep 13 00:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Manages the Money to Improve Things http://bit.ly/EIaTv | Sep 13 00:48 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora Mini is Made Specifically for Small Machines http://bit.ly/sF1nc , #FUDCon Coming http://bit.ly/SsHmv | Sep 13 00:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Keeps Gaining at Expense of #Sun / #Oracle http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=24203 | Sep 13 00:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two New Reviews of #MoonOS 3.0 ( #GNU #Linux #Distribution ) http://bit.ly/zE0H8 http://bit.ly/19cOlM | Sep 13 01:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest #gOS #GNU #Linux is #Review ed http://bit.ly/1wRs37 | Sep 13 01:02 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Motorola 's Modern #Linux #Phones Make an Appearance http://bit.ly/18MoLt | Sep 13 01:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS #Eee #Videophone Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/1OAwhz #itsbetteriwthlinux | Sep 13 01:18 | |
schestowitz | gn | Sep 13 01:19 |
_goblin | gn | Sep 13 01:21 |
MinceR | o/ | Sep 13 01:21 |
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_Hicham_ | hi MinceR | Sep 13 05:59 |
_Hicham_ | who is in here ? | Sep 13 06:02 |
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balzac | -_^ | Sep 13 06:26 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government of #Russia Moves to #GNU #Linux from Top to Bottom http://bit.ly/hU13a | Sep 13 07:56 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Brazil Shows the Way in #FreeSoftware Migrations http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/27939 | Sep 13 07:58 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fake 'Open Source' Gets Rejected by Users http://bit.ly/3Ib7U | Sep 13 07:59 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Openness / #OpenSource Spreads to #Genomics #Research http://bit.ly/19jAhu | Sep 13 08:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kids to be Indoctrinated at Taxpayers' Expense by #IntellectualMonopolies #Racketeers http://techdirt.com/articles/20090911/0136516161. ... | Sep 13 08:11 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #IntellectualMonopolies Make Little/No Sense in a Digital Age http://bit.ly/tZe3v | Sep 13 08:12 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Board Made Smaller as Another Member Jumps the Sinking Ship http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2009/09/07/daily40.html | Sep 13 08:17 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yahoo's Bartzmer Reveals How Much in Ballmer's Pocket She Really is, Regulators Kick in http://bit.ly/bZPYq | Sep 13 08:26 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yahoo!-Microsoft Now Scrutinised by US Regulators Too http://bit.ly/KgTmq | Sep 13 10:24 | |
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schestowitz | http://twitter.com/dmahugh/statuses/3940494992 | Sep 13 10:31 |
schestowitz | ^ Microsoft manager | Sep 13 10:31 |
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schestowitz | wb, [H]omer! | Sep 13 11:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Licences Grow Unpopular While the GPL — Despite FUD — Keeps Expanding http://bit.ly/3UEiKi | Sep 13 11:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Licences Grow Unpopular While the #GPL — Despite #FUD — Keeps Expanding http://bit.ly/3UEiKi | Sep 13 11:32 | |
oiaohm | Boy have the press reports on kde 4.x line changed with the release of 4.3 | Sep 13 11:49 |
oiaohm | I have found a few minor bugs. Like having to sometimes refresh a folder view after just starting up. | Sep 13 11:49 |
oiaohm | Next questions should I dive into 2.6.31 | Sep 13 11:51 |
trmanco | I wouldn't | Sep 13 11:54 |
trmanco | wait for a few patches before you move on to that kernel | Sep 13 11:54 |
trmanco | like a .1 or .2 | Sep 13 11:54 |
oiaohm | This is my much system. | Sep 13 11:54 |
oiaohm | 2.6.30 was particularly nasty on the sound card in this machine. | Sep 13 11:55 |
trmanco | I'm still on a "semi-supported" 2.6.28 | Sep 13 11:56 |
oiaohm | Current I am running is 2.6.30.5 | Sep 13 11:56 |
oiaohm | 2.6.31 is temping for cuse. | Sep 13 11:57 |
oiaohm | That 6 monitors per card demo by ATI was interesting. | Sep 13 12:06 |
MinceR | schestowitz: whoa | Sep 13 12:06 |
MinceR | i wonder if he'll manage to cause some changes at m$ or just lose his job in some way... | Sep 13 12:07 |
MinceR | or nothing will happen | Sep 13 12:08 |
oiaohm | Lot of MS staff are at risk of losing there job anyhow. | Sep 13 12:09 |
oiaohm | Now as it gets worse expect more ass saving attempts. | Sep 13 12:10 |
MinceR | well, at least that will stir m$ up on the inside | Sep 13 12:10 |
oiaohm | Really that schestowitz attacked IBM got there attention. | Sep 13 12:11 |
oiaohm | http://slashdot.org/story/09/09/12/2244244/Microsoft-Interns-Still-Feel-the-Love << Of course interms have not signed long term non compete contracts yet. | Sep 13 12:12 |
trmanco | why is stupid twitter always borked when I need it? | Sep 13 12:13 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 13 12:13 |
oiaohm | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/09/russias-new-holiday-programmers-day.html Now that is funny. | Sep 13 12:14 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, folderview does the same here | Sep 13 12:14 |
schestowitz | It refreshed correctly at first, but after startup I need to remind it to refresh, manually. That's an easy one to address/fix. | Sep 13 12:15 |
schestowitz | KDE3 rarely had similar issues that required a refresh. A matter of condition of when/where to check for changes in filesystem | Sep 13 12:15 |
MinceR | indeed. | Sep 13 12:15 |
schestowitz | trmanco: identica also | Sep 13 12:16 |
oiaohm | My case desktop folder plasma gets a red x in it on start up. | Sep 13 12:16 |
schestowitz | AFAIK it messed up last night | Sep 13 12:17 |
oiaohm | Yep did not connect to filesystem fun. | Sep 13 12:17 |
schestowitz | It works again since about 9 AM | Sep 13 12:17 |
trmanco | identica is working at the moment | Sep 13 12:17 |
oiaohm | Other than that it updates perfectly. | Sep 13 12:17 |
trmanco | it's working again | Sep 13 12:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Dell renews Ubuntu Linux desktop lineup: http://is.gd/3dyM3 | Sep 13 12:18 | |
schestowitz | oiaohm: Microsoft interns=cheap labout | Sep 13 12:18 |
schestowitz | You know what's almost better but more expensive and qualified? | Sep 13 12:19 |
schestowitz | Temps | Sep 13 12:19 |
schestowitz | And then you have hb-1s and foreign employees | Sep 13 12:19 |
MinceR | french for 'time'? :> | Sep 13 12:19 |
schestowitz | Microsoft hardly fired in India | Sep 13 12:19 |
schestowitz | I saw the imbalance and wrote about it | Sep 13 12:19 |
oiaohm | New staff straight out of collage don't make a stable programing team. | Sep 13 12:20 |
oiaohm | You need the experienced ones to keep them in line. | Sep 13 12:20 |
oiaohm | Its always been MS mistake. | Sep 13 12:20 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I'm sure something happened | Sep 13 12:20 |
oiaohm | MS had the stupid idea more new staff more creativity. | Sep 13 12:20 |
schestowitz | Sometimes I need to quit blaming the widgets and realised the API is simply down | Sep 13 12:20 |
schestowitz | *Realise | Sep 13 12:20 |
oiaohm | There is no point to creativity if nothing works. | Sep 13 12:20 |
schestowitz | Vista. | Sep 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | Made in Bangalore | Sep 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | Same with Vista 7 | Sep 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | The Indian press wrote about it in 2007 | Sep 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | I can find the article. | Sep 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | I think the Office team (bigger team, about 1000 people) is more EU/US-based | Sep 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | Office brings Microsoft a LOT more money than Windows | Sep 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | Thus the HUGE OOXML corruptions | Sep 13 12:22 |
schestowitz | WIthout Office dependency people don't need WIndows, either. | Sep 13 12:22 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OIN Receives Thanks from Many, #CodePlex Foundation Receives Thumbs-Down from Many http://bit.ly/187fo3 | Sep 13 12:51 | |
DaemonFC | I might try OggDropXP and see if it works in Wine | Sep 13 12:52 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, I'll be damned | Sep 13 12:58 |
DaemonFC | it does work B-) | Sep 13 12:58 |
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DaemonFC | hmmmm, I had to spoof my user agent to get Wine's AppDB to work | Sep 13 13:17 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Symantec Fails to Understand #Security ? http://bit.ly/INCth | Sep 13 13:23 | |
schestowitz | http://linusearch.com/wordpress/?p=455 | Sep 13 13:25 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 13 13:25 |
schestowitz | Are you ready to Protest? | Sep 13 13:25 |
schestowitz | So you want to Protest against Best Buy for having their employees trained through Microsoft’s ExpertZone. | Sep 13 13:25 |
schestowitz | " | Sep 13 13:25 |
DaemonFC | there's one up in Fort Wayne | Sep 13 13:27 |
DaemonFC | I regret to say that I used to buy things from them | Sep 13 13:27 |
schestowitz | Get stink 'bombs' | Sep 13 13:27 |
DaemonFC | though at the time they also sold me a copy of Mandriva Linux Powerpack | Sep 13 13:27 |
schestowitz | Carry banners: "WIndows stinks" :-p | Sep 13 13:28 |
DaemonFC | so obviously their policies were different | Sep 13 13:28 |
schestowitz | They also sold Ubuntu for $20 | Sep 13 13:28 |
schestowitz | With support, around 2007 | Sep 13 13:28 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Sep 13 13:29 |
DaemonFC | they ditched it right soon after | Sep 13 13:29 |
schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.daniweb.com/news/story222521.html#post984366 "Can Microsoft Change Its Stripes?" | Sep 13 13:29 |
DaemonFC | I think they only sold it for about 8 months | Sep 13 13:29 |
DaemonFC | got rid of it last summer | Sep 13 13:29 |
schestowitz | People download Ubuntu | Sep 13 13:30 |
DaemonFC | Well, selling Ubuntu is probably not going to go over well unless it's like media+shipping | Sep 13 13:30 |
DaemonFC | cause SHipIt takes forever | Sep 13 13:30 |
DaemonFC | and they only have the 32-bit x86 version now | Sep 13 13:31 |
DaemonFC | even then, it would have to be someone that doesn't have the bandwidth to get it themselves | Sep 13 13:31 |
DaemonFC | downloading a CD takes me about 3-4 minutes | Sep 13 13:31 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The first CDs I ordered, I actually got two | Sep 13 13:36 |
DaemonFC | one was the live environment and the other was the actual installer for if you liked the live environment | Sep 13 13:36 |
DaemonFC | there was no live installer CD til the second Ubuntu release (5.04) | Sep 13 13:36 |
DaemonFC | 5.04 was also when they added KDE | Sep 13 13:37 |
DaemonFC | 5.04 through 7.04, they'd send you 3 discs for x86, 3 discs for x86-64, and 3 for PowerPC | Sep 13 13:37 |
DaemonFC | 7.10 and 8.04 you could choose 1 x86 or 1 x86-64, and starting with 8.10, the free CD is 1 x86 32-bit disc only | Sep 13 13:38 |
schestowitz | I have some 5.04 right here | Sep 13 13:39 |
DaemonFC | they probably figure that if you have an x86-64 system, you can afford to download and burn your own CD, fair enough | Sep 13 13:39 |
schestowitz | Some for AMD | Sep 13 13:39 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: the AMD64 name is kind of misleading | Sep 13 13:39 |
MinceR | x86-64 is so expensive now? :> | Sep 13 13:39 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 13 13:39 |
DaemonFC | as Intel EM64T is the same thing and almost every CPU since the last batch of Pentium 4's supports it | Sep 13 13:39 |
schestowitz | Thought the same | Sep 13 13:39 |
schestowitz | Techno-blubber... | Sep 13 13:40 |
schestowitz | "Let them eat Intel.." | Sep 13 13:40 |
DaemonFC | well, people that have a system that only supports 32-bit processors either have a really old system, or a netbook which may not even have a disc drive anyway unless you buy an external | Sep 13 13:40 |
DaemonFC | I still view the "only supporting 32-bit x86" in ShipIt as a regression, but I can understand the logic | Sep 13 13:41 |
MinceR | didn't Intel rename EM64T to Intel64 already? | Sep 13 13:41 |
trmanco | my pentium 4 | 630 supports em64t | Sep 13 13:41 |
MinceR | at least WP tells me they did | Sep 13 13:42 |
DaemonFC | it's a regression because many people don't know that they can use X86-64 and that it works better | Sep 13 13:42 |
trmanco | I only used 64 bit once | Sep 13 13:42 |
DaemonFC | so they'll slap in the 32-bit disc and be left with most of the limitations of their Windows XP system | Sep 13 13:42 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Sep 13 13:42 |
schestowitz | MinceR: Upgrade Alsa (1.0.21) on Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 http://monespaceperso.org/blog-en/2009/08/31/upgrade-alsa-1-0-21-on-ubuntu-jaunty-9-04/ | Sep 13 13:42 |
MinceR | reading | Sep 13 13:42 |
schestowitz | MinceR: move to kde4, it'll resolve any audio issue you've had, I think | Sep 13 13:42 |
MinceR | doesn't say anything about destroying pulseaudio ;/ | Sep 13 13:42 |
schestowitz | One thing I wonder is why my microphone volume is so low on this new installation. Any ideas? | Sep 13 13:43 |
MinceR | s/;/:/ | Sep 13 13:43 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Kubuntu works great if you set up dmix | Sep 13 13:43 |
schestowitz | I tried to amplify it, but I'm probably looking at the wrong panels (kmix) | Sep 13 13:43 |
DaemonFC | I was stumbling around trying to use Pulseaudio at first because it's what I knew from GNOME distributions | Sep 13 13:43 |
DaemonFC | dmix works better because it's mandatory | Sep 13 13:44 |
DaemonFC | stupid misbehaving applications can't circumvent it like they do with Pulseaudio | Sep 13 13:44 |
schestowitz | Facebook releases real-time Web server tech as open source http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/318113/ | Sep 13 13:44 |
DaemonFC | they need to figure out a way to get that behavior from Pulseaudio | Sep 13 13:45 |
DaemonFC | mandatory, nothing can bypass it, tough shit, it's here, deal with it | Sep 13 13:45 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 13:45 |
DaemonFC | it would solve a lot of problem apps like VLC | Sep 13 13:45 |
trmanco | pulseaudio | Sep 13 13:46 |
trmanco | don't need that anymore | Sep 13 13:46 |
trmanco | alsa is enough | Sep 13 13:46 |
DaemonFC | instead, Pulseaudio is a nightmare and Ubuntu is trying to tell the USERS, and not the APPLICATIONS, it's here, deal with it, tough shit | Sep 13 13:46 |
trmanco | from what I've seen, pulseaudio is a waste of cpu cycles | Sep 13 13:46 |
DaemonFC | it really is too heavy even when it does work, you're right | Sep 13 13:46 |
DaemonFC | but it would be nice if it worked all the time if they insist on forcing it on you | Sep 13 13:47 |
trmanco | in my case it worked all the time | Sep 13 13:47 |
trmanco | but it was a waste of cpu cycles | Sep 13 13:47 |
schestowitz | Cool\! | Sep 13 13:47 |
schestowitz | I've just solved it | Sep 13 13:47 |
schestowitz | My mixer settings was incorrect | Sep 13 13:47 |
DaemonFC | trmanco: You get what I mean though | Sep 13 13:47 |
DaemonFC | right now they force it on you and it doesn't even always work | Sep 13 13:47 |
trmanco | yes :) | Sep 13 13:47 |
DaemonFC | also, despite their claims of a low latency (glitch free) option....that's not the case | Sep 13 13:48 |
schestowitz | I needed to amplify by default | Sep 13 13:48 |
DaemonFC | it still adds more latency than dmix | Sep 13 13:48 |
schestowitz | Otherwise I need to stick the mic in my mouth, which I hate doing | Sep 13 13:48 |
DaemonFC | and it still glitches | Sep 13 13:49 |
DaemonFC | mostly input glitches in that mode though | Sep 13 13:49 |
DaemonFC | like that episode of Stargate SG-1 where one of the teams was dialing from the planet about to be consumed by a black hole | Sep 13 13:50 |
DaemonFC | and the gate would open and immediately shut down (from our perspective | Sep 13 13:50 |
DaemonFC | I think someone was using Pulseaudio | Sep 13 13:51 |
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trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/9956433 | Sep 13 13:51 |
DaemonFC | it dies in the background and kills your input after a couple seconds but from your perspective, the application continues to work | Sep 13 13:52 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 13 13:52 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Pirate Bay's tracker is dead | Sep 13 13:57 |
trmanco | http://hci.stanford.edu/winograd/shrdlu/ | Sep 13 13:59 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC: O yes they can by pass dmix. | Sep 13 14:00 |
oiaohm | Just don't do it as often. | Sep 13 14:00 |
oiaohm | The mixer should be done as either a kernel module or a userspace kernel module so there is no door past it. | Sep 13 14:00 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Which is what Windows does | Sep 13 14:01 |
DaemonFC | you can ask Windows to turn it off, but it doesn't have to do it | Sep 13 14:01 |
oiaohm | Thinking the mixer in alsa is a char device. | Sep 13 14:01 |
oiaohm | when provided by hardware. | Sep 13 14:01 |
oiaohm | with cuse it may be possiable to do it in software. | Sep 13 14:02 |
DaemonFC | of course Microsoft did it for DRM support but it -also- happens to work better for the user in many cases that way | Sep 13 14:02 |
oiaohm | Its one of the rare things MS got right. | Sep 13 14:02 |
DaemonFC | they only do the right thing when it so happens to be a prerequisite for DRM | Sep 13 14:03 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 13 14:03 |
MinceR | where is it in winblows? | Sep 13 14:03 |
oiaohm | Kernel mode setting was another. | Sep 13 14:03 |
MinceR | kernel? | Sep 13 14:03 |
oiaohm | userspace kernel module MinceR | Sep 13 14:03 |
MinceR | surprising | Sep 13 14:03 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: user-mode kernel module | Sep 13 14:03 |
DaemonFC | yes, what he said :P | Sep 13 14:03 |
MinceR | considering their obsession with doing everything in the kernel, in kernel mode | Sep 13 14:03 |
MinceR | because it's zomg performance | Sep 13 14:04 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: They don't, actually | Sep 13 14:04 |
DaemonFC | many of the systems have been moved outside of the kernel | Sep 13 14:04 |
oiaohm | Windows is a evil mix of things. | Sep 13 14:04 |
DaemonFC | as of Vista | Sep 13 14:04 |
DaemonFC | and more in Windows 7 | Sep 13 14:04 |
oiaohm | Some are right some are wrong. | Sep 13 14:04 |
MinceR | well, that's what they did with the gui in nt4 or so | Sep 13 14:04 |
MinceR | and left it that way :> | Sep 13 14:04 |
oiaohm | nt4 did have kernel mode setting. | Sep 13 14:04 |
MinceR | nt4 had kernel mode gui | Sep 13 14:04 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: They've been in a flying rush to get as many things as possible out of the kernel | Sep 13 14:04 |
MinceR | and funnily enough it was still slower than x | Sep 13 14:05 |
oiaohm | Something that Linux has been lacking and driving us up all. | Sep 13 14:05 |
DaemonFC | and they've implemented a patch protection scheme | Sep 13 14:05 |
DaemonFC | on 64-bit Windows that is | Sep 13 14:05 |
MinceR | patch protection? | Sep 13 14:05 |
oiaohm | There is a blance between kernel mode and user mode. | Sep 13 14:05 |
DaemonFC | that's why 64-bit Windows crashes so much less, MinceR | Sep 13 14:05 |
oiaohm | Key advantage to kernel mode is duplication prevention. | Sep 13 14:05 |
MinceR | what's patch protection? | Sep 13 14:05 |
DaemonFC | bad applications that try to fuck up the kernel (including, in the past, antivirus apps) can't do it | Sep 13 14:05 |
oiaohm | Like you don't want 2 things setting the mode on a video card independ to each other. | Sep 13 14:05 |
MinceR | oh, so it's memory protection | Sep 13 14:06 |
MinceR | like what everything does since the i386 | Sep 13 14:06 |
oiaohm | Path protection is different. | Sep 13 14:06 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: It stops an application from altering the kernel's image in memory | Sep 13 14:06 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Sep 13 14:06 |
schestowitz | Richard Stallman finds a home < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10351419-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad > | Sep 13 14:06 |
schestowitz | "GPL house" | Sep 13 14:06 |
DaemonFC | it's different from memory protection | Sep 13 14:06 |
oiaohm | Its more like LSM style memory limations MinceR | Sep 13 14:06 |
MinceR | hur hur hur | Sep 13 14:06 |
schestowitz | Stallman is like Erdos or Shostakovich, leaving without many belongings | Sep 13 14:06 |
DaemonFC | Windows has always had that in NT | Sep 13 14:06 |
DaemonFC | and mostly in Windows 9x | Sep 13 14:07 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: so it's reinvention of memory protection under a different name? | Sep 13 14:07 |
DaemonFC | the first MB was not protected in Windows 9x | Sep 13 14:07 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: No | Sep 13 14:07 |
oiaohm | Windows 9x did not have any memory protection | Sep 13 14:07 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: It did | Sep 13 14:07 |
oiaohm | It was cheese. | Sep 13 14:07 |
DaemonFC | but that first megabyte was not protected | Sep 13 14:07 |
oiaohm | You could access anywhere you liked. | Sep 13 14:07 |
DaemonFC | DOS legacy | Sep 13 14:07 |
oiaohm | 9x could be switched into flat memory mode. | Sep 13 14:08 |
oiaohm | Yes nice little screw up there. | Sep 13 14:08 |
DaemonFC | that's why users were encouraged to NOT run any DOS drivers in their config.sys/Autoexec.bat | Sep 13 14:08 |
DaemonFC | if a driver crashed in the first megabyte of memory, it would bring down Windows too | Sep 13 14:08 |
oiaohm | Note from a windows 32 bit aplication in win 9x you could switch to flat mode and back. | Sep 13 14:09 |
DaemonFC | that's why you should have been using two boot modes | Sep 13 14:09 |
oiaohm | Due to protect mode limits not being set right. | Sep 13 14:09 |
schestowitz | MinceR: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10350581-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad Asay in luvv? | Sep 13 14:09 |
oiaohm | Flat mode removes address maping DaemonFC | Sep 13 14:09 |
DaemonFC | it was possible to swap out the config.sys and autoexec.bat, reboot into DOS, and then swap them out with blanks again for Windows | Sep 13 14:09 |
MinceR | schestowitz: goes without saying | Sep 13 14:09 |
oiaohm | And displays all memory as flat access. | Sep 13 14:09 |
oiaohm | No permission limitations at all. | Sep 13 14:10 |
DaemonFC | or just make a DOS boot floppy for your old games | Sep 13 14:10 |
DaemonFC | easiest way to be rid of a lot of Windows 9x crashes | Sep 13 14:10 |
MinceR | schestowitz: apparently asay is on love with anyone who rips off the FLOSS community | Sep 13 14:10 |
MinceR | s/on/in/ | Sep 13 14:10 |
schestowitz | MinceR: but they are SOOOOOOOOOO Polite | Sep 13 14:11 |
schestowitz | [just as a turncoat must be] | Sep 13 14:11 |
MinceR | yes, and sooooooooo rich | Sep 13 14:11 |
schestowitz | Well, guess who pays for lunch? | Sep 13 14:11 |
MinceR | and in The Cult of The Almighty Money, that's all that matters | Sep 13 14:11 |
schestowitz | The worth of destroying FOSS is sssssssssssssssssssoooooooooo high | Sep 13 14:11 |
MinceR | politeness is just a plus | Sep 13 14:13 |
oiaohm | What is worring MS is that some of FOSS are now starting to play there games back on them. | Sep 13 14:13 |
oiaohm | FSF is not what you call playing nice. | Sep 13 14:13 |
oiaohm | MS has not played nice now they have war. | Sep 13 14:14 |
MinceR | depends on to whom | Sep 13 14:15 |
oiaohm | Attempting to destroy FOSS ms is attacking the very companies that ship there product in large numbers. | Sep 13 14:16 |
MinceR | OEMs? | Sep 13 14:17 |
MinceR | they seem to be ok with this? | Sep 13 14:17 |
MinceR | s/.$// | Sep 13 14:17 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: Tech Data | Sep 13 14:18 |
schestowitz | Dell als | Sep 13 14:18 |
schestowitz | *also | Sep 13 14:18 |
schestowitz | See the responses from Dell in the past 2 years since May 2007 patent attack | Sep 13 14:19 |
MinceR | if they weren't, one of them would tell m$ to stuff it | Sep 13 14:19 |
schestowitz | H-P is still a shill for Microsoft | Sep 13 14:19 |
schestowitz | Dell is more fed up than HP | Sep 13 14:19 |
schestowitz | Microsoft harms sales for their own 'partners' | Sep 13 14:19 |
schestowitz | Greg K-H was funny.... telling off Microsoft. | Sep 13 14:20 |
MinceR | he still said that everyone is doing what m$ did | Sep 13 14:20 |
MinceR | he's still an m$ shill, just trying to save face. | Sep 13 14:20 |
schestowitz | He gets the dollars from NOVL | Sep 13 14:20 |
MinceR | he shouldn't be allowed to interfere with Linux development | Sep 13 14:21 |
schestowitz | Show me the pretties (NOVL:NASDAQ:GREG-K-H) | Sep 13 14:21 |
schestowitz | He influences Linus also | Sep 13 14:21 |
schestowitz | The whole Microsoft-sympathetic BS | Sep 13 14:21 |
oiaohm | Greg K-H might work for novel but it does not really care about MS. | Sep 13 14:21 |
MinceR | well, i don't see any ubuntu offers at dell right now | Sep 13 14:22 |
schestowitz | If LF was shut down, maybe Novell would hire Linus :-p | Sep 13 14:22 |
MinceR | maybe they've just hidden them even more | Sep 13 14:22 |
oiaohm | Dell has opened up more countries with ubuntu shipping. | Sep 13 14:22 |
oiaohm | Not really more items MinceR. | Sep 13 14:22 |
MinceR | well, there are 2 models shipped with ubuntu now | Sep 13 14:23 |
MinceR | both are mini | Sep 13 14:23 |
MinceR | so dell has gotten worse | Sep 13 14:23 |
schestowitz | Maybe they hid them more because Ballmer wants trolls to "fly [his] pretties" | Sep 13 14:23 |
MinceR | maybe they just don't care | Sep 13 14:23 |
oiaohm | LF was created to pay linus. | Sep 13 14:23 |
schestowitz | YEs | Sep 13 14:23 |
MinceR | they wanted cheaper windblows and they got it | Sep 13 14:23 |
schestowitz | Sort of | Sep 13 14:23 |
schestowitz | OSDL maybe | Sep 13 14:23 |
schestowitz | But also legal protection | Sep 13 14:23 |
oiaohm | Because without out it the bidding war for Linus was insane. | Sep 13 14:23 |
MinceR | so they can put cheaper winblows on their cheap crap machines that break from normal use. | Sep 13 14:23 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: did you listen to that part of the audicast? | Sep 13 14:23 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: did you listen to that part of the audiocast? | Sep 13 14:24 |
oiaohm | Yep schestowitz | Sep 13 14:24 |
schestowitz | Where Zemlin says this? | Sep 13 14:24 |
MinceR | oh, and they still pay for the patents linux doesn't infringe on, don't they? | Sep 13 14:24 |
oiaohm | I was around when LF was created. | Sep 13 14:24 |
oiaohm | Zemlin is nice about it. | Sep 13 14:24 |
oiaohm | HP IBM Orcale all offered Linus insane ammounts. | Sep 13 14:24 |
schestowitz | He's not bad | Sep 13 14:24 |
schestowitz | Increasingly he criticises the Vole | Sep 13 14:24 |
schestowitz | He would not say "repsect Microsoft" anymore | Sep 13 14:25 |
schestowitz | Not after this recent incident | Sep 13 14:25 |
schestowitz | But he sat down with Geisha Sam Ramji a while ago | Sep 13 14:25 |
schestowitz | The whole "pose for the cameras" gig | Sep 13 14:25 |
oiaohm | Zemlin is the diplomate. | Sep 13 14:25 |
MinceR | so i don't think dell is an example of a linux promoter, not at all. | Sep 13 14:25 |
oiaohm | To keep everything in state of kinda blance. | Sep 13 14:25 |
oiaohm | Dell has spent a lot of money on Linux tech MinceR | Sep 13 14:26 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: do not they 'pool' the wage | Sep 13 14:26 |
schestowitz | But it pays for other things too | Sep 13 14:26 |
schestowitz | Like ASF or Mozilla FOundation | Sep 13 14:26 |
MinceR | oiaohm: yet they participate in the patent racket, advertise winblows and don't offer linux on any of their machines except 2 models | Sep 13 14:26 |
schestowitz | Dell made billions from Linux, or hundreds of millions | Sep 13 14:26 |
schestowitz | Servers mostly | Sep 13 14:26 |
schestowitz | Including Google's | Sep 13 14:26 |
MinceR | oiaohm: i suspect that "lot of money" was less than the money they saved on winblows licensing by threatening m$ a little. | Sep 13 14:27 |
oiaohm | Note dell gets payed to advertise windows. | Sep 13 14:27 |
oiaohm | yes very insane. | Sep 13 14:27 |
MinceR | you can easily build a server without any OEM sticking their dirty hands in it. | Sep 13 14:27 |
MinceR | and you can put any OS on it. | Sep 13 14:27 |
MinceR | not the same thing with laptops. | Sep 13 14:27 |
schestowitz | This is kinda ghey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP5yFoEBmQ&feature=related | Sep 13 14:29 |
MinceR | they don't offer linux on any desktops | Sep 13 14:29 |
schestowitz | Novell spreads the "dorky" stereotype about Linux | Sep 13 14:29 |
schestowitz | MinceR: they should sell open PCs | Sep 13 14:30 |
schestowitz | No OS | Sep 13 14:30 |
schestowitz | OS should be paid-for addon | Sep 13 14:30 |
schestowitz | Probelma nada | Sep 13 14:30 |
schestowitz | Issue solved | Sep 13 14:30 |
MinceR | they should, but they don't | Sep 13 14:30 |
schestowitz | Make everyone happy | Sep 13 14:30 |
MinceR | also, they shouldn't advertise winblows on every page | Sep 13 14:30 |
schestowitz | EVen BSD users | Sep 13 14:30 |
schestowitz | But it's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!!!!!!1 | Sep 13 14:30 |
MinceR | and they shouldn't advertise laptops that break from normal use as "RoadReady" | Sep 13 14:31 |
MinceR | and as withstanding "even the most extreme circumstances" | Sep 13 14:31 |
Diablo-D3 | heh | Sep 13 14:32 |
Diablo-D3 | the only shit proof laptops I know of are the toughest toughbooks | Sep 13 14:32 |
MinceR | it doesn't have to be shitproof to withstand having the damn lid opened and closed twice every day | Sep 13 14:33 |
MinceR | it just has to be not made of shit | Sep 13 14:33 |
Diablo-D3 | well | Sep 13 14:33 |
Diablo-D3 | no acers or compaq/hps then | Sep 13 14:33 |
Diablo-D3 | dell isnt as bad as it used to be there | Sep 13 14:33 |
MinceR | well, i got a thinkpad instead. | Sep 13 14:33 |
Diablo-D3 | non-thinkpad lenovos still suck | Sep 13 14:33 |
Diablo-D3 | thinkpads are still okay | Sep 13 14:33 |
MinceR | i hope this one will persist. | Sep 13 14:33 |
Diablo-D3 | macs are still... meeeeeh | Sep 13 14:33 |
MinceR | macs are dangerous | Sep 13 14:34 |
MinceR | catching on fire, melting the "magsafe" connector, etc. | Sep 13 14:34 |
Diablo-D3 | I dont have one of those | Sep 13 14:34 |
Diablo-D3 | I still have a powerbook | Sep 13 14:34 |
Diablo-D3 | the worst that has gone wrong is the LCD died | Sep 13 14:34 |
MinceR | or just a little smoke | Sep 13 14:34 |
Diablo-D3 | oh, and the dc in board finally went | Sep 13 14:34 |
MinceR | after how much time? | Sep 13 14:35 |
Diablo-D3 | so I replaced that too | Sep 13 14:35 |
Diablo-D3 | its like 4+ years old | Sep 13 14:35 |
MinceR | then that isn't so bad | Sep 13 14:35 |
Diablo-D3 | and it's previous owner wasnt kind to it | Sep 13 14:35 |
Diablo-D3 | I replaced the HD when I got it because I wanted something bigger | Sep 13 14:35 |
Diablo-D3 | and I also maxed out the memory | Sep 13 14:35 |
schestowitz | I heard the USian army is looking into the power of the Macs.... they heard about the explosive power, which they intend to harness to SpreadDemocracy(); | Sep 13 14:36 |
MinceR | lol | Sep 13 14:36 |
MinceR | well, iGrenades work better for that | Sep 13 14:36 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: sadly | Sep 13 14:36 |
Diablo-D3 | maxing out memory means 2 gigs | Sep 13 14:36 |
MinceR | also known as hypePhones | Sep 13 14:36 |
schestowitz | MinceR: iOn bombs | Sep 13 14:36 |
MinceR | iTimeBombs | Sep 13 14:36 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: dude | Sep 13 14:37 |
Diablo-D3 | you could just say TimeBomb normally | Sep 13 14:37 |
Diablo-D3 | to riff off the TimeMachine product | Sep 13 14:37 |
oiaohm | Most annoying thing with dells at moment to get Linux workstations they are phone up and ask. | Sep 13 14:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/11/microsoft_open_source_group_windows_server/ "Ramji noted Microsoft is actively recruiting a replacement to lead the overall platform and server strategy. The OSTC itself will continue to be directed by Tom Hanrahan, formerly the Linux Foundation's director of engineering, under Laing." | Sep 13 14:38 |
schestowitz | via Microsoft lackey Clarke BTW | Sep 13 14:38 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: um, I can order dells with linux online on most of their models | Sep 13 14:39 |
schestowitz | Depends where. | Sep 13 14:39 |
schestowitz | Not in Budapest | Sep 13 14:39 |
oiaohm | Ok what country Diablo-D3 | Sep 13 14:39 |
oiaohm | Australia is a pain in ass. | Sep 13 14:39 |
schestowitz | In the UK it's not easy either | Sep 13 14:39 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: true | Sep 13 14:39 |
schestowitz | UK is more of a Microsoft 'shill' than the US, I reckon | Sep 13 14:39 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: in the US | Sep 13 14:40 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: they don't offer linux in hungary | Sep 13 14:40 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: australia doesnt exist, imo | Sep 13 14:40 |
MinceR | and the web interface shows what i said earlier | Sep 13 14:40 |
Diablo-D3 | there simply cant be a country that is both worse than the US and the UK in all respective categories and isn't the third world | Sep 13 14:41 |
schestowitz | The press here glorifieis some white-collar felons like they are to be lauded as heroes. | Sep 13 14:41 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: see what happens in hospitals here | Sep 13 14:41 |
schestowitz | Digitally, it's third-world | Sep 13 14:41 |
schestowitz | Conficker attacks left and right | Sep 13 14:41 |
schestowitz | Not even Solaris | Sep 13 14:41 |
oiaohm | Australian hospitals are part windows part solaris. | Sep 13 14:42 |
schestowitz | I sort of hope they get whooped some more before realising they must abandon Microsoft from everything except toying environment | Sep 13 14:42 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: lame | Sep 13 14:42 |
oiaohm | All key medical data stored on solarias. | Sep 13 14:42 |
Diablo-D3 | although hospitals here run windows | Sep 13 14:42 |
Diablo-D3 | the frontend shit runs on windows | Sep 13 14:42 |
schestowitz | Windows is good... to teach kids at the schools to toy with something.. maybe to teach they about cracking. | Sep 13 14:42 |
oiaohm | Windows is not trusted for it. | Sep 13 14:42 |
schestowitz | *them | Sep 13 14:42 |
oiaohm | Not after 1995 we the PM of this country was almost killed by hacked system. | Sep 13 14:43 |
oiaohm | we/when | Sep 13 14:43 |
schestowitz | Here people die | Sep 13 14:43 |
schestowitz | Many hospitals go down | Sep 13 14:43 |
schestowitz | Almost every month the Reg has a report | Sep 13 14:43 |
oiaohm | This was a targeted attack schestowitz | Sep 13 14:43 |
oiaohm | Hacker was selective. | Sep 13 14:43 |
schestowitz | Hospitals not servicing because of WIndows viruses | Sep 13 14:44 |
schestowitz | Usually COnficker | Sep 13 14:44 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: Windows or PM? :-D | Sep 13 14:44 |
oiaohm | PM | Sep 13 14:44 |
oiaohm | Hacker was trying to kill him over introducing anti hacking laws. | Sep 13 14:44 |
oiaohm | That meant if caught 15 years jail. | Sep 13 14:45 |
oiaohm | So attacker got the idea might as well kill the PM. | Sep 13 14:45 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: You wouldn't happen to know how to get K3B to use an external Vorbis encoder would you? | Sep 13 14:47 |
oiaohm | settings ->configure k3b programs DaemonFC | Sep 13 14:48 |
oiaohm | Yes its in there. | Sep 13 14:48 |
DaemonFC | yeah, but what are the switches I need to pass to it? | Sep 13 14:48 |
oiaohm | It reaches out to external applciations to do it. | Sep 13 14:48 |
DaemonFC | it keeps saying it ripped the CD but it's not creating any Vorbis files | Sep 13 14:49 |
oiaohm | Hmm | Sep 13 14:50 |
DaemonFC | I've been guessing at the command line | Sep 13 14:50 |
oiaohm | I have never had to debug that. | Sep 13 14:50 |
DaemonFC | aotuv uses the same commands as the official Vorbis encoder | Sep 13 14:50 |
DaemonFC | as far as I know | Sep 13 14:50 |
MinceR | Grip can use external encoders :) | Sep 13 14:51 |
DaemonFC | not if I don't know what to feed it as the encoding parameters | Sep 13 14:51 |
DaemonFC | so I'm just ripping to FLAC and dragging them onto OggDropXP | Sep 13 14:53 |
schestowitz | Is grip still mainstream? I used it in 2004 | Sep 13 14:54 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I was joking | Sep 13 14:54 |
schestowitz | WIndows does, however, create many jobs... for crackers and repair shops | Sep 13 14:54 |
DaemonFC | Package grip is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. | Sep 13 14:54 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 14:55 |
DaemonFC | at least there's Wine | Sep 13 14:55 |
MinceR | dunno | Sep 13 14:55 |
DaemonFC | it's easier to use Window programs in Wine to get what you want done than it is to use Linux programs sometimes | Sep 13 14:55 |
DaemonFC | *Windows | Sep 13 14:55 |
DaemonFC | it shouldn't be easier, but if it's not in the repository or there's no documentation, sometimes it's just easier to use a Windows program | Sep 13 14:56 |
schestowitz | A lot of people foolishly forget that many computer users can't afford new computer or Windows !!!! http://www.techworld.com.au/blog/talkingtech/2009/09/can_linuxs_market_share_be_adversely_affected_by_the_competition | Sep 13 14:56 |
schestowitz | The Microsoft brainwash is working | Sep 13 14:56 |
schestowitz | The Slog... | Sep 13 14:56 |
MinceR | i just realized Linux Libre exists | Sep 13 14:57 |
MinceR | still, they give no list of what's removed | Sep 13 14:57 |
DaemonFC | probably the usual | Sep 13 14:58 |
DaemonFC | all the drivers, most of the firmware | Sep 13 14:58 |
DaemonFC | possibly GLX | Sep 13 14:58 |
DaemonFC | most of the codecs | Sep 13 14:58 |
DaemonFC | wallpaper with a license that slighted them | Sep 13 14:58 |
MinceR | Linux Libre is a kernel | Sep 13 14:59 |
DaemonFC | oh, then drivers and firmware | Sep 13 14:59 |
MinceR | right, but which drivers? | Sep 13 14:59 |
DaemonFC | 80% of them | Sep 13 14:59 |
DaemonFC | pick some | Sep 13 14:59 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 14:59 |
MinceR | what i'm more interested in is the recent m$ code | Sep 13 14:59 |
DaemonFC | like I said, they nitpick until there's no point in even trying to run their software | Sep 13 15:00 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Just remove those then? | Sep 13 15:00 |
DaemonFC | they're probably not even built by default | Sep 13 15:00 |
MinceR | i just wondered what really isn't strictly free in there | Sep 13 15:00 |
DaemonFC | and they'd be modules if they were | Sep 13 15:00 |
DaemonFC | so unless you were running Linux in Hyper-V, they wouldn't even be loaded | Sep 13 15:01 |
DaemonFC | they're GPL 2 and peer reviewed by the kernel developers anyhow | Sep 13 15:01 |
DaemonFC | so I don't believe there could be anything malicious in them | Sep 13 15:01 |
DaemonFC | considering the source, it would be plastered all over the place if there was anything bad in them | Sep 13 15:02 |
DaemonFC | and you know everyone is probably looking for that kind of stuff | Sep 13 15:02 |
DaemonFC | it would also be hard for Microsoft to donate the code then claim it infringes or something | Sep 13 15:02 |
DaemonFC | I think it's reasonably safe | Sep 13 15:02 |
DaemonFC | it would be like giving someone your watch in front of 100 witnesses then claiming to the police that they stole your watch | Sep 13 15:03 |
DaemonFC | it's obvious that they're not going to sue over that and it's only there to make Linux run better as a virtualized guest on their virtual machine software | Sep 13 15:04 |
DaemonFC | nobody else even has a reason to care if it's there | Sep 13 15:04 |
oiaohm | You miss the big one. | Sep 13 15:06 |
MinceR | oh, i've found it | Sep 13 15:06 |
MinceR | they've written a script package called deblob | Sep 13 15:06 |
oiaohm | MS though they could dump Hyper-V on Linux kernel and not maintaine it. | Sep 13 15:06 |
oiaohm | Maintaining it locks up developer time. | Sep 13 15:07 |
MinceR | i thought everything that hyper-v module(?) does was already done for xen and/or kvm. | Sep 13 15:07 |
MinceR | so it's just reinventing the wheel | Sep 13 15:07 |
DaemonFC | pretty much | Sep 13 15:07 |
oiaohm | Core of hyper-v design comes from Xen. | Sep 13 15:07 |
MinceR | so there was no technical reason to accept the patch | Sep 13 15:07 |
MinceR | which shows how much the leadership of the linux project was corrupted | Sep 13 15:08 |
oiaohm | There was a patent reason to accept the patch. | Sep 13 15:08 |
MinceR | anyone else coming up with such a patch would have been turned away. | Sep 13 15:08 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: No more reason to refuse it than any other patch | Sep 13 15:08 |
MinceR | m$ holds patents on it? | Sep 13 15:08 |
DaemonFC | maybe | Sep 13 15:08 |
oiaohm | MS to submit patch had to sign of the genernal patent aggreements over the area. | Sep 13 15:08 |
MinceR | ic | Sep 13 15:08 |
DaemonFC | but since it's from them, they'll have a hard time saying it wasn't licensed | Sep 13 15:08 |
oiaohm | so blocking MS means to use patents in that area against the Linux kernel. | Sep 13 15:08 |
DaemonFC | one less headache | Sep 13 15:09 |
MinceR | oiaohm: does it apply to the entire kernel or only the code supplied by m$? | Sep 13 15:09 |
oiaohm | MS cannot attack kvm either. | Sep 13 15:09 |
oiaohm | entire kernel MinceR | Sep 13 15:09 |
MinceR | ic | Sep 13 15:09 |
MinceR | so we weren't screwed as much as i thought we were. :) | Sep 13 15:09 |
oiaohm | And for it to stand the code had to be include in 1 release. | Sep 13 15:09 |
oiaohm | so no we were not screwed. | Sep 13 15:10 |
oiaohm | If anyone was getting screwed it was MS. | Sep 13 15:10 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 13 15:10 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: It's like instead of being stupid and arguing about it for no reason, they took the 3 drivers and effectively removed any grounds Microsoft had to sue them over for implementing it themselves | Sep 13 15:10 |
DaemonFC | so it was the right thing to do | Sep 13 15:10 |
DaemonFC | if it bothers you that it's there, remove it, but it's benign | Sep 13 15:10 |
oiaohm | Also means from now on MS will have to provide maintainers to keep the driver in kernel. | Sep 13 15:11 |
DaemonFC | yep | Sep 13 15:11 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Would you rather that the Linux developers cut off their nose to spite their face? | Sep 13 15:11 |
MinceR | nope | Sep 13 15:11 |
oiaohm | They though they could dumb it on novell as well. | Sep 13 15:11 |
DaemonFC | cause that would be the result of refusing the contribution | Sep 13 15:11 |
oiaohm | Kernel rules don't allow that. | Sep 13 15:12 |
MinceR | they could even bring up the debate of whether it's necessary now and remove the code :> | Sep 13 15:12 |
DaemonFC | they have Microsoft willing to play their game by their rules | Sep 13 15:12 |
MinceR | and keep the patent license | Sep 13 15:12 |
oiaohm | You cannot refuse code to a linux kernel without grounds. | Sep 13 15:12 |
DaemonFC | why would they refuse that? | Sep 13 15:12 |
oiaohm | Non maintained is grounds to remove. | Sep 13 15:12 |
oiaohm | Or some how defective. | Sep 13 15:12 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: the only point i can see in accepting this is gaining the patent license. | Sep 13 15:12 |
oiaohm | Note MS HV drivers are only in the staging tree. | Sep 13 15:13 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Which is a good reason to accept it | Sep 13 15:13 |
MinceR | indeed. | Sep 13 15:13 |
oiaohm | Not permintent drivers. | Sep 13 15:13 |
MinceR | i thought it was included in 2.6.31 or so | Sep 13 15:13 |
DaemonFC | no | Sep 13 15:13 |
DaemonFC | and building staging drivers taints the kernel | Sep 13 15:13 |
DaemonFC | so if you build them right now, it invalidates all your kerneloops submissions | Sep 13 15:13 |
oiaohm | HV will be in 2.6.32 And if patches don't come in removed by 2.6.33 | Sep 13 15:14 |
DaemonFC | it sets "taint_crap" | Sep 13 15:14 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 15:14 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 13 15:14 |
oiaohm | So MS will have to work on it. | Sep 13 15:14 |
oiaohm | As long as it remains in the staging tree MS will have to maintain it. | Sep 13 15:14 |
MinceR | what kind of taint do nvidia proprietary drivers set? | Sep 13 15:14 |
Diablo-D3 | the tainty kind | Sep 13 15:14 |
oiaohm | I guess you can now see how it was not a free lunch MinceR | Sep 13 15:15 |
MinceR | indeed | Sep 13 15:15 |
oiaohm | Linus set down the ground rules a long time ago. | Sep 13 15:15 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: it sets taint_nvidia | Sep 13 15:16 |
oiaohm | MS drivers obeyed Linus rules. | Sep 13 15:16 |
MinceR | ic | Sep 13 15:16 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: It basically invalidates all your video related crash reports | Sep 13 15:16 |
DaemonFC | they still pay attention to the rest | Sep 13 15:16 |
MinceR | ic | Sep 13 15:16 |
DaemonFC | as long as none of those are tainted | Sep 13 15:16 |
oiaohm | Problem MS has the more it deals with the Linux kernel the less patent attack options they will have. | Sep 13 15:16 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: taint_crap invalidates ALL your reports | Sep 13 15:16 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 13 15:17 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 13 15:17 |
oiaohm | Embrance and Extend Linux world has learnt it well. | Sep 13 15:17 |
DaemonFC | I've been told to go ahead and report video crashes anyway, even though I use Nvidia | Sep 13 15:17 |
DaemonFC | cause if lots of other people have the same kind of problem, the data could still be useful as a part of the group of crash reports | Sep 13 15:18 |
DaemonFC | but if only people that use Nvidia report them, obviously the kernel developers have no reason to care | Sep 13 15:18 |
DaemonFC | not their driver | Sep 13 15:18 |
DaemonFC | you need to report the issue to Nvidia | Sep 13 15:19 |
DaemonFC | who is actually quite prompt in fixing crashers and memory leaks, usually | Sep 13 15:19 |
DaemonFC | sometimes you need to use beta drivers to get the fix for the issue you reported in their current driver series | Sep 13 15:20 |
DaemonFC | series 185 drivers are quite stable with KWin | Sep 13 15:20 |
DaemonFC | and fast | Sep 13 15:20 |
DaemonFC | the crashers were gone in 180 though | Sep 13 15:22 |
DaemonFC | they also used to leak memory with Compiz Fusion, that was back in the 170 and earlier drivers, Debian has 170 | Sep 13 15:22 |
DaemonFC | but Debian also doesn't come with Compiz by default | Sep 13 15:22 |
DaemonFC | turning on Compiz in an enterprise-grade Linux distribution is not something you would want anyway | Sep 13 15:22 |
oiaohm | Sooner Nvidia embraced DRI2 and KMS the better. | Sep 13 15:23 |
MinceR | it still has some annoying bugs | Sep 13 15:23 |
oiaohm | People don't know how much leagecy stuff Nvidia drivers keep around. | Sep 13 15:23 |
DaemonFC | Red Hat and Suse both include it though, which is inappropriate | Sep 13 15:23 |
DaemonFC | especially where it was at when they started putting it in | Sep 13 15:23 |
oiaohm | Because removing them Nvidia drivers would fail. | Sep 13 15:23 |
DaemonFC | meh, it works well enough | Sep 13 15:24 |
DaemonFC | certainly better than any hardware which has free/open drivers | Sep 13 15:24 |
DaemonFC | I doubt you'll see any Intel Extreme(ly bad) graphics chipsets flying past my Nvidia card | Sep 13 15:25 |
oiaohm | Issue here is a ATI drivers are slowly ending as closed source. | Sep 13 15:26 |
oiaohm | KMS and DRI2 provides a lot of stablitity advantages. | Sep 13 15:26 |
DaemonFC | yeah, but the open source drivers will never perform as well as the Nvidia drivers | Sep 13 15:27 |
DaemonFC | certainly no time soon | Sep 13 15:27 |
DaemonFC | the only way I'd buy an ATI card is if Nvidia stopped maintaining drivers for theirs | Sep 13 15:28 |
DaemonFC | it's not a free/not free issue for me, it's which one performs better | Sep 13 15:28 |
oiaohm | At this stage no. But long term ATI could out run Nvidias. | Sep 13 15:29 |
DaemonFC | if by some off chance the free ATI driver ever does perform well, my next card might be an ATI | Sep 13 15:29 |
DaemonFC | right now it's not even worth screwing around with | Sep 13 15:29 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: I doubt it | Sep 13 15:29 |
oiaohm | The galuim3d design | Sep 13 15:29 |
DaemonFC | Nvidia cards themselves are better hardware | Sep 13 15:29 |
DaemonFC | it's not just the driver | Sep 13 15:29 |
oiaohm | Really not. | Sep 13 15:29 |
oiaohm | Lot of recent bench marks show ATI and Nvidia hardware are basically equal on performance. | Sep 13 15:30 |
oiaohm | its if driver allows you to extract the performance or not. | Sep 13 15:30 |
DaemonFC | ATI is basically the second rate vendor and just sells all their stuff cheaper | Sep 13 15:30 |
DaemonFC | if it was the same price as Nvidia, nobody would buy it | Sep 13 15:30 |
oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Sep 13 15:31 |
DaemonFC | even in budget hardware, I'd choose Nvidia | Sep 13 15:31 |
oiaohm | ATI does out perform Nvidia for particuler rendering operations. | Sep 13 15:31 |
DaemonFC | they outperform ATI in every class of card | Sep 13 15:31 |
oiaohm | using both GPU's is required to get max performace. | Sep 13 15:31 |
oiaohm | ATI and Nvidia both have weakness. | Sep 13 15:31 |
oiaohm | Nvidia has a color blance issue they have never managed to fix. | Sep 13 15:32 |
oiaohm | It was in the TNT2 card and it still in the latest release. | Sep 13 15:33 |
DaemonFC | Nvidia is also the only one that supports the entire OpenGL spec in their driver | Sep 13 15:34 |
DaemonFC | ATI still crashes if you run glxinfo | Sep 13 15:34 |
oiaohm | Driver issue | Sep 13 15:34 |
oiaohm | Not hardware. | Sep 13 15:34 |
oiaohm | ATI has for years produced crappy Linux drivers and only half decent drivers for windows. | Sep 13 15:35 |
oiaohm | So basically crippling there hardware with poor drivers. | Sep 13 15:35 |
oiaohm | Also ATI recently got 6 monitor out working off a single card. | Sep 13 15:36 |
oiaohm | Without issues. | Sep 13 15:36 |
DaemonFC | that's my point | Sep 13 15:36 |
DaemonFC | without a good driver, the hardware doesn't matter anyway | Sep 13 15:36 |
oiaohm | Galuim3d project combinds the driver designers from VIA intel and ATI. | Sep 13 15:36 |
oiaohm | Long term goal of Galuim3d is also to replace the windows direct x drivers with it. | Sep 13 15:37 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 13 15:39 |
oiaohm | vmware idea | Sep 13 15:39 |
DaemonFC | I've had the system up for 1 day 10 hours, using 821 megs of RAM | Sep 13 15:39 |
oiaohm | They want a unified graphical system under all 3d rendering system. | Sep 13 15:39 |
DaemonFC | that's with Opera running and taking 169 itself | Sep 13 15:39 |
oiaohm | Linux systems are quite light. | Sep 13 15:40 |
DaemonFC | KDE 4.3 isn't leaking RAM like it used to | Sep 13 15:40 |
DaemonFC | in the earlier 4.x versions | Sep 13 15:40 |
oiaohm | It was leaking in 4.2 | Sep 13 15:40 |
DaemonFC | I'm about to shoot apport-KDE though | Sep 13 15:40 |
DaemonFC | it keeps opening multiple instances and hanging | Sep 13 15:40 |
oiaohm | They only patched 1000 leans between kde 4.2 and 4.3 | Sep 13 15:41 |
oiaohm | leans/leaks | Sep 13 15:41 |
DaemonFC | purged it | Sep 13 15:41 |
DaemonFC | well, it won't be bothering me again | Sep 13 15:41 |
oiaohm | So you should see difference. | Sep 13 15:41 |
DaemonFC | Vista would be sitting around 2 gigs by now | Sep 13 15:41 |
DaemonFC | Windows 7 would be around 1.5 gigs | Sep 13 15:41 |
DaemonFC | that's not counting the caching it does | Sep 13 15:42 |
DaemonFC | talking about RAM used by applications | Sep 13 15:42 |
oiaohm | Linux is also not counting disk caching. | Sep 13 15:42 |
DaemonFC | the preload daemon does the same thing | Sep 13 15:42 |
DaemonFC | but it's not there by default in Ubuntu | Sep 13 15:42 |
DaemonFC | you should add it | Sep 13 15:42 |
oiaohm | preload also can cause headaches. | Sep 13 15:43 |
oiaohm | I have a few bits of software that don't like it. | Sep 13 15:43 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preload_(software) | Sep 13 15:43 |
DaemonFC | you should add it if you have more than 2 gigs of RAM | Sep 13 15:43 |
DaemonFC | it speeds things up a lot | Sep 13 15:43 |
DaemonFC | it takes some time to learn what you use though | Sep 13 15:44 |
DaemonFC | so the effects are not instant | Sep 13 15:44 |
DaemonFC | eventually things like your file manager or web browser or music player will load almsot isntantly because they're already cached | Sep 13 15:44 |
DaemonFC | it's kind of like Superfetch in Windows | Sep 13 15:44 |
DaemonFC | Mandriva uses it by default | Sep 13 15:45 |
oiaohm | I have to fix a few bugs in it with some of the on fly and cached generate exe's. | Sep 13 15:45 |
oiaohm | Basically don't precache them ever. | Sep 13 15:46 |
DaemonFC | installing prelink as well helps a little bit too | Sep 13 15:46 |
oiaohm | Yes I should not have a polymophic AI using x86 code on a system. | Sep 13 15:46 |
DaemonFC | depends | Sep 13 15:46 |
DaemonFC | most users don't have that problem | Sep 13 15:46 |
DaemonFC | and the performance benefits outweigh the bugs they'll never trigger | Sep 13 15:47 |
oiaohm | Ie I am the odd percentage. | Sep 13 15:47 |
DaemonFC | I've managed to convince most of my MSN contacts to get the Off The Record plugin | Sep 13 15:49 |
DaemonFC | heh | Sep 13 15:49 |
DaemonFC | I try to use OTR wherever possible, especially on Yahoo and MSN | Sep 13 15:50 |
DaemonFC | if Microsoft or Yahoo is logging the conversation, all they'd be storing is encrypted gibberish | Sep 13 15:51 |
oiaohm | What encrypt is it using. | Sep 13 15:59 |
oiaohm | Its kinda key. | Sep 13 15:59 |
DaemonFC | I should test Musik Cube again | Sep 13 16:00 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ | Sep 13 16:00 |
DaemonFC | Pidgin, Adium, and Kopete have it natively | Sep 13 16:01 |
DaemonFC | my favorite part is the plausible deniability feature | Sep 13 16:01 |
DaemonFC | so *if* someone does break the cipher, they can create fraudulant messages that look authentic, that's actually a good thing | Sep 13 16:01 |
DaemonFC | it means like, if the CIA or FBI broke it, the evidence may not be court admissible | Sep 13 16:02 |
DaemonFC | because the way the system works, they could have fabricated all the evidence themselves | Sep 13 16:02 |
oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Sep 13 16:03 |
DaemonFC | but it constantly renegotiates the keys so even if they did break one, then they would only decrypt one message | Sep 13 16:03 |
DaemonFC | that's my understanding of it anyway | Sep 13 16:03 |
DaemonFC | it's funny that they call KDE a Windows alternative | Sep 13 16:05 |
DaemonFC | it actually feels more Mac like to me | Sep 13 16:05 |
DaemonFC | I don't recall the Explorer interface in Windows ever working this well | Sep 13 16:06 |
oiaohm | It a rotating aes. | Sep 13 16:06 |
oiaohm | Problem is aes has weaknesses. | Sep 13 16:06 |
oiaohm | It will be solid for a while longer but don't expect for ever. | Sep 13 16:06 |
oiaohm | KDE and Mac have a lot in common. | Sep 13 16:08 |
MinceR | well, gnome is more crApple-like now | Sep 13 16:09 |
MinceR | also, kde has the k-menu at the bottom left corner ;) | Sep 13 16:09 |
oiaohm | I hated the default icon I got for the k-menu under debian. | Sep 13 16:11 |
oiaohm | some kinda strange arrow thing. It got quickly changed to the K and gear. | Sep 13 16:11 |
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MinceR | iirc some iconsets have that arrow thing | Sep 13 16:14 |
oiaohm | http://www.kdenews.org/2009/09/08/third-plasma-summit-lifts-kde-desktop-higher-grounds << KDE is just going to keep on getting better | Sep 13 16:14 |
schestowitz | Aye | Sep 13 16:15 |
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schestowitz | Opera 10 is NOT Friendly to Bloggers < http://bytesandsuch.com/2009/09/opera-10-is-not-friendly-to-bloggers/ > | Sep 13 16:22 |
schestowitz | Flash: I hate you < http://briancarper.net/blog/flash-i-hate-you > | Sep 13 16:27 |
schestowitz | Success: Ubuntu 9.04 on Fujitsu U810 with Dual Monitors < http://www.thegeniusfiles.com/success-ubuntu-904-on-fujitsu-u810-with-dual?c=1 > | Sep 13 16:28 |
MinceR | moral of the opera story: don't use in-line text advertising or scrolling boxes | Sep 13 16:32 |
MinceR | they're both annoying crap. | Sep 13 16:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Recent reports have it that Linux has been infected by its first botnet. In one word: "Nah."' http://bit.ly/80u99 | Sep 13 16:33 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Works fine for me | Sep 13 16:35 |
DaemonFC | I've had way more Konqueror screwups than Opera screwups | Sep 13 16:35 |
DaemonFC | I like the way Opera displays the images in text | Sep 13 16:36 |
DaemonFC | they look more crisp than in Firefox | Sep 13 16:36 |
DaemonFC | easier to read | Sep 13 16:36 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Moral of the story. Opera has usually been less forgiving of standards violations than Firefox | Sep 13 16:37 |
DaemonFC | Don't write your page with tools that target MSIE and you won't have a problem | Sep 13 16:37 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 13 16:37 |
DaemonFC | the MSIE standards violations have ultimately benefitted Firefox | Sep 13 16:38 |
DaemonFC | because it's the only browser other than MSIE that understands most of them | Sep 13 16:38 |
DaemonFC | so when users switch to Opera and some horribly coded MSIE page breaks, they blame Opera | Sep 13 16:38 |
DaemonFC | and use Firefox | Sep 13 16:39 |
DaemonFC | so the net result is that by supporting all of MSIE's violations, Firefox may as well just introduce more of their own while they're at it | Sep 13 16:39 |
DaemonFC | but this way they can take the "moral highground" and jsut be doing it "for compatibility" | Sep 13 16:39 |
DaemonFC | they even support MSIE violations that were never widely used | Sep 13 16:40 |
DaemonFC | which MSIE doesn't even support anymore | Sep 13 16:40 |
DaemonFC | the problem with the web today is that lots of people still use old WYSIWYG editors from 10 years ago | Sep 13 16:41 |
DaemonFC | because the new version costs money | Sep 13 16:41 |
DaemonFC | 'so they're still out there putting out fresh pages optimized for Microsoft Internet Explorer 4 | Sep 13 16:42 |
MinceR | using WYSIWYG editors is a problem anyway | Sep 13 16:43 |
DaemonFC | I'd compare all the old versions of web page authoring tools to abandoned minefields that occasionally still claim a victim | Sep 13 16:43 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Even Microsoft Expression Web now puts out standards compliant pages | Sep 13 16:44 |
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DaemonFC | but you still have people using Frontpage 98 | Sep 13 16:44 |
DaemonFC | and it's not always some kook that is making some Geocities page nobody gives a shit about | Sep 13 16:45 |
DaemonFC | the public library here does it | Sep 13 16:45 |
DaemonFC | it's embarassing | Sep 13 16:45 |
MinceR | these people don't see or know what they're doing | Sep 13 16:46 |
schestowitz | MinceR: some wysiwyg may get it right | Sep 13 16:46 |
schestowitz | Usually those that K.I.S.S | Sep 13 16:47 |
MinceR | wysiwyg is by definition not getting it right | Sep 13 16:47 |
MinceR | you get all the formatting hidden from you | Sep 13 16:47 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 13 16:47 |
MinceR | not to mention styles | Sep 13 16:47 |
schestowitz | The notion that you work by appearance | Sep 13 16:47 |
schestowitz | Same with documents | Sep 13 16:47 |
schestowitz | Throw some chars on a paper | Sep 13 16:47 |
MinceR | if you need to edit a link, you get to make a lot more clicks/keypresses to get at your data | Sep 13 16:47 |
schestowitz | Good luck seeing it on other media like Web page and poster | Sep 13 16:47 |
schestowitz | No structural info | Sep 13 16:47 |
MinceR | throw some chairs on paper? | Sep 13 16:47 |
schestowitz | MinceR: you sound like a true creature from the Ballmer household | Sep 13 16:48 |
MinceR | wysiwyg also breaks copy/paste with regards to formatting | Sep 13 16:48 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 13 16:48 |
schestowitz | brb | Sep 13 16:49 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm writing a blog post to criticize our public library | Sep 13 16:53 |
schestowitz | jono uses WIndows... Ha! http://www.twit.tv/FLOSS | Sep 13 16:59 |
schestowitz | bl | Sep 13 17:07 |
schestowitz | bl | Sep 13 17:07 |
schestowitz | bbl even | Sep 13 17:07 |
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DaemonFC | still posting | Sep 13 17:24 |
DaemonFC | god, how long can this take? | Sep 13 17:24 |
DaemonFC | there it goes | Sep 13 17:24 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/another-microsoft-horror-story-the-huntington-indiana-public-library/ | Sep 13 17:28 |
zlg | (H)omer I think you should find the simpsons clip where Gates and his "boy" buy out CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet, Bill "I didnt get rich by writing a bunch of silly cheques". | Sep 13 17:30 |
twitter1 | you can put it and the bar anywhere you want -> MinceR: also, kde has the k-menu at the bottom left corner | Sep 13 17:37 |
MinceR | i know | Sep 13 17:37 |
MinceR | gnome can be reconfigured too | Sep 13 17:37 |
MinceR | yet people seem to categorize them based on trivialities like this | Sep 13 17:37 |
DaemonFC | editing it again :P | Sep 13 17:37 |
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twitter1 | I don't know how to do things with Gnome but KDE 3.5 is trivial to configure. Everything is a right click away. | Sep 13 17:49 |
twitter1 | Gnome users might think the world is inflexible, like Windows users. | Sep 13 17:49 |
amarsh04 | twitter1, I've managed to turn off "control-alt-delete" giving me the shutdown menu in one of my boxes running KDE 3.5.x... - do you remember where it's enabled? | Sep 13 17:50 |
DaemonFC | GNOME is not inflexible | Sep 13 17:50 |
twitter1 | no, I don't use that key combination. | Sep 13 17:51 |
amarsh04 | ok, I'll have a better look for the information | Sep 13 17:52 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've always been against Windows on taxpayer-funded public terminals | Sep 13 17:54 |
DaemonFC | at least if someone buys it for themselves and their own system, it was their money and their choice to do it | Sep 13 17:54 |
DaemonFC | When the government taxes you and builds a road, it's understood that building roads cost money, there's no getting around the fact that they cost what they do, and they are a public benefit | Sep 13 17:55 |
DaemonFC | When the government taxes you and buys Windows, they're doing it with preference to a system that costs nothing and works better, and are creating a public liability | Sep 13 17:56 |
twitter1 | I don't shut my system down often. The lid puts my laptops to sleep and my desktop stays on all the time. | Sep 13 17:56 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: You have to watch out with some distributions on some hardware | Sep 13 17:57 |
DaemonFC | they may just shut off the display and overheat the laptop | Sep 13 17:57 |
DaemonFC | of course Vista does it all the time and it's almost impossible to track down what's causing it | Sep 13 17:57 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 13 17:57 |
DaemonFC | with Vista, it's also sneakier about it | Sep 13 17:58 |
DaemonFC | cause the system goes to sleep OK then wakes up randomly | Sep 13 17:58 |
DaemonFC | you could easily end up with ruined hardware when you saw it go to sleep | Sep 13 17:59 |
twitter1 | looked at gnome panels again. there's a way to create "launchers" on other panels but they are subsets of the main menu. moving panels is a matter of drag and drop, so you can change the locations easily. | Sep 13 17:59 |
DaemonFC | yeah, KDE widgets are mostly independent of panels | Sep 13 17:59 |
DaemonFC | which takes some getting used to, but it's nicer once you do | Sep 13 17:59 |
MinceR | 185756 < DaemonFC> at least if someone buys it for themselves and their own system, it was their money and their choice to do it | Sep 13 18:00 |
MinceR | not always. | Sep 13 18:00 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: You're making a choice | Sep 13 18:00 |
DaemonFC | ignorance doesn't excuse you from having made it | Sep 13 18:00 |
MinceR | not being given an option does | Sep 13 18:00 |
DaemonFC | they have an option not to buy it | Sep 13 18:01 |
DaemonFC | maybe not on a particular model of system | Sep 13 18:01 |
MinceR | sure, they have an option not to buy a laptop :> | Sep 13 18:01 |
DaemonFC | but there are equivalent systems that they can build or buy with Linux or buy with no OS preinstalled | Sep 13 18:01 |
DaemonFC | Dell sells Linux laptops | Sep 13 18:01 |
DaemonFC | System76 sells only Linux laptops | Sep 13 18:01 |
DaemonFC | Tiger Direct sells laptops with no OS | Sep 13 18:01 |
DaemonFC | that's off the top of my head | Sep 13 18:02 |
DaemonFC | I'm sure there's plenty more examples | Sep 13 18:02 |
DaemonFC | they're only a google search away from finding plenty of non-Windows options | Sep 13 18:02 |
MinceR | 190446 < DaemonFC> Dell sells Linux laptops | Sep 13 18:07 |
MinceR | sure, two mini models | Sep 13 18:07 |
MinceR | 190452 < DaemonFC> System76 sells only Linux laptops | Sep 13 18:07 |
MinceR | sure, in the usa | Sep 13 18:07 |
DaemonFC | no, they sell laptops | Sep 13 18:07 |
DaemonFC | not just netbooks, real laptops | Sep 13 18:07 |
MinceR | http://www.dell.com/home/laptops#subcats=&navla=51800~0~1932545&navidc=LT: Operating System&navValc=Ubuntu Linux&a=51800~0~1932545 | Sep 13 18:08 |
MinceR | no, actually they don't | Sep 13 18:08 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Yes they do | Sep 13 18:15 |
DaemonFC | http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dncwzl1&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=laptop-inspiron-1545 | Sep 13 18:15 |
DaemonFC | "Ubuntu Desktop Edition version 9.04 with 30 days of Starter support" | Sep 13 18:15 |
DaemonFC | a T4200 wouldn't go into a netbook | Sep 13 18:16 |
DaemonFC | or a Core 2 Duo T6600 (optional) | Sep 13 18:16 |
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trmanco | I think twitter is down again | Sep 13 18:27 |
trmanco | at least its api | Sep 13 18:28 |
trmanco | I cant receive new messages :| | Sep 13 18:28 |
DaemonFC | cool | Sep 13 18:29 |
trmanco | it's back up | Sep 13 18:45 |
DaemonFC | is autoscrolling in Konqueror even possible? | Sep 13 18:54 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: so to some lucky people they do, but in general they hide it | Sep 13 19:02 |
MinceR | this has always been the case, but earlier they didn't hide ubuntu so much | Sep 13 19:03 |
DaemonFC | dell.com/ubuntu | Sep 13 19:04 |
MinceR | which isn't linked from dell.com | Sep 13 19:05 |
MinceR | nor from linux.dell.com | Sep 13 19:05 |
MinceR | and even dell.com/ubuntu only lists one non-mini laptop | Sep 13 19:06 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "We need to repeal 12 years of vile laws attacking our liberty" http://tinyurl.com/og5f6l | Sep 13 19:22 | |
*schestowitz listens to http://www.twit.tv/floss86 | Sep 13 19:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @thistleweb "We need to repeal 12 years of vile laws attacking our liberty" http://tinyurl.com/og5f6l | Sep 13 19:38 | |
twitter1 | religiosity can be bad for your health http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/6166852/Man-killed-in-church-after-stone-altar-falls-on-him.html | Sep 13 19:45 |
schestowitz | Ziff Davis lackeys do too much to promote the Microsoft slog these days.... http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Can-Microsoft-Windows-Mobile-65-Take-the-Smartphone-Market-by-Force-in-October-159259/ | Sep 13 19:45 |
schestowitz | Who is Michelle Maisto? Never seen that name before... | Sep 13 19:45 |
schestowitz | CAFC Gives Microsoft Word Stay, and I HATE Vista! < http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/09/08/cafc-gives-microsoft-word-stay-and-i-hate-vista/id=5838/ > | Sep 13 19:48 |
schestowitz | twitter1: one for the log? | Sep 13 19:48 |
schestowitz | This one comes from a big FAN of software patents | Sep 13 19:48 |
schestowitz | Quienn | Sep 13 19:48 |
schestowitz | GEne quinn | Sep 13 19:48 |
*twitter1 looks | Sep 13 19:48 | |
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schestowitz | "Like virtually everyone that owns a Vista machine, my primary computer, which is a laptop I carry with me everywhere in my travels, has seen its better days. This particular machine is the ripe old age of 6 months old, and as near as I can tell its better days were those days prior to the loading of Vista, which as far as I can tell is a computer virus! Nothing operates properly on a Vista machine, not even Internet Explorer. Oddly enough, | Sep 13 19:49 |
schestowitz | Mozilla Firefox is more stable on a Vista machine than IE, go figure." | Sep 13 19:49 |
schestowitz | Tyhis sure looks well for a Vista with a "7" after it. Bwahahaha | Sep 13 19:50 |
schestowitz | Same story all over again | Sep 13 19:50 |
schestowitz | I LOVE VIsta | Sep 13 19:50 |
DaemonFC | IE has been a lot worse in the past | Sep 13 19:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Remind me never to say anything nice about collection societies ever again http://ur1.ca/blvt | Sep 13 19:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Red Flag To Fly Over White House http://bit.ly/2Zgzfd | Sep 13 19:55 | |
twitter1 | It's always worse than I can imagine. | Sep 13 19:56 |
twitter1 | Yesterday, I got a taste of XP and Hotmail badness. | Sep 13 19:56 |
twitter1 | I tried to help a friend get pictures of their camera. They wanted to post to Craig's List. | Sep 13 19:57 |
twitter1 | and email pictures to friends. | Sep 13 19:57 |
twitter1 | It was a terrible and confusing 15 step process to plug the camera in, copy the pictures (XP won't move them), and then unmount the camera. | Sep 13 19:58 |
twitter1 | I imagine an average user yanks their USB devices and uses the camera to delete the copied pictures. | Sep 13 19:59 |
schestowitz | Zune HD International launch hopes crushed by Microsoft, others raised http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/11/zune-hd-international-launch-hopes-crushed-by-microsoft-others/ | Sep 13 20:00 |
twitter1 | the "safely remove" hardware dialog requires two clicks, and is highly counter intuitive. | Sep 13 20:00 |
twitter1 | In the end, Hotmail would only accept one attachment per email and the dialog to attach had no preview. | Sep 13 20:01 |
twitter1 | The whole thing was unusably difficult. | Sep 13 20:01 |
twitter1 | How do people use that kind of junk? | Sep 13 20:01 |
schestowitz | The world will be better off without the Zooon | Sep 13 20:03 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think our library may be in violation of Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act | Sep 13 20:05 |
schestowitz | Obama Praises Twitter, Google & Facebook — But Not Microsoft’s Xbox http://searchengineland.com/obama-praises-twitter-google-facebook-but-not-microsofts-xbox-25406 | Sep 13 20:06 |
DaemonFC | they don't have software on their computers to accomodate the vision impaired | Sep 13 20:06 |
schestowitz | What's this obsession with OBAMAA? | Sep 13 20:06 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 13 20:06 |
schestowitz | He's just a spokesman | Sep 13 20:06 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: also facilities | Sep 13 20:06 |
schestowitz | have them hire you | Sep 13 20:07 |
schestowitz | Make them a LAMPWordPress site | Sep 13 20:07 |
schestowitz | Put KDE4+kiosk on the clusters | Sep 13 20:07 |
schestowitz | And make them a bargain of $30/hour | Sep 13 20:07 |
schestowitz | Put dark sub-glasses on and go complain about the site not being visible/accessible to you :-) | Sep 13 20:08 |
DaemonFC | I was pissed off because I went there to print something off of a site that required Flash | Sep 13 20:09 |
DaemonFC | and their copy of Windows XP wouldn't let me load flash | Sep 13 20:10 |
schestowitz | Check out and se how amateur USA Today's new blogs look: http://blogs.usatoday.com/technologylive/2009/09/microsoft-flaw-could-open-pcs-to-confickerstyle-attack.html | Sep 13 20:10 |
schestowitz | Flash if a competitor of Microsoft, so.. | Sep 13 20:11 |
schestowitz | Don't get em started on Skype !1 | Sep 13 20:11 |
schestowitz | Microsoft loves attacking Skype with FUD | Sep 13 20:11 |
twitter1 | I'm pissed at Slashdot right now. | Sep 13 20:11 |
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twitter1 | They started publishing submitter email addresses, after promising not to do so for a decade. | Sep 13 20:12 |
twitter1 | Their configuration dialogs still say "required but will not be published" | Sep 13 20:13 |
cubezzz | looks like Tesla's old idea of wireless power is making a comeback | Sep 13 20:13 |
twitter1 | I wonder if the submitters realized this before pushing the button. | Sep 13 20:13 |
schestowitz | Hess troll | Sep 13 20:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7514 | Sep 13 20:13 |
balzac | slashdot has become hard to use | Sep 13 20:18 |
cubezzz | slashdot is _slow_ | Sep 13 20:19 |
cubezzz | I have to turn off javascript to make it work at a decent speed | Sep 13 20:20 |
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MinceR | slashdot is full of clueless trolls | Sep 13 20:23 |
MinceR | i don't even bother to read the discussions anymore | Sep 13 20:23 |
schestowitz | The Windows 0rgy : Clarke and Foley... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/microbite_oops/ | Sep 13 20:25 |
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schestowitz | It's funny how they hide their Microsoft bias | Sep 13 20:25 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: /s/clueless/compensated/ | Sep 13 20:26 |
schestowitz | When they ruin Slashdot, they'll move on to the next attraction | Sep 13 20:26 |
MinceR | i doubt they can compensate every single one of them | Sep 13 20:26 |
MinceR | other than modding them up for whoring to the m$ fanboys, of course | Sep 13 20:26 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is already spamming Twitter with literally hundreds of accounts | Sep 13 20:26 |
schestowitz | Gavin Clarke idiot calls i4i nemesis. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/09/microsoft_destroyed_i4i_filing/ | Sep 13 20:28 |
schestowitz | I also notice that Microsoft spin from the O'Gara shill | Sep 13 20:28 |
schestowitz | They are very blatant these days | Sep 13 20:28 |
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schestowitz | S3 a vassal to Ballmer, as it turns out...... http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090908006014&newsLang=en | Sep 13 20:32 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: why does comkkast keep dropping you sporadically? | Sep 13 20:32 |
MinceR | this S3 isn't S3 Graphics, right? :> | Sep 13 20:33 |
schestowitz | I bet it's cause you wrote that post !! :-) | Sep 13 20:33 |
schestowitz | MinceR: that's what I thought | Sep 13 20:33 |
DaemonFC | probably | Sep 13 20:33 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: get a refund from them | Sep 13 20:33 |
schestowitz | I told my cousin 2 years ago to dump them | Sep 13 20:34 |
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schestowitz | "They're too deep inside," he said | Sep 13 20:34 |
schestowitz | THey have comkkkast mail addies | Sep 13 20:34 |
cubezzz | there's not really a lot of choices for isps here | Sep 13 20:34 |
cubezzz | bell, rogers, 3rd party (using bell's equipment), and satellite | Sep 13 20:35 |
schestowitz | MS fan press (Motley Monkey): http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=255969&t=01006518834409505169 (Is Apple the new Microsoft?) | Sep 13 20:35 |
cubezzz | the freenets are interesting | Sep 13 20:35 |
cubezzz | in fact I got my dsl from toronto freenet | Sep 13 20:35 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: in the Uk there's more choice depending how central the place where you live it... | Sep 13 20:35 |
schestowitz | NTL, Tiscali, BT, Virgin... | Sep 13 20:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @pvilela: RT @RuiAz: Carta aberta aos professores sobre Software Livre http://ff.im/82MJk | Sep 13 20:36 | |
schestowitz | Karoo abused their monopoly | Sep 13 20:36 |
schestowitz | 1-strike law and alll...... | Sep 13 20:36 |
cubezzz | I am thinking about getting a 2nd internet source | Sep 13 20:37 |
schestowitz | Microsoft still (Ab)uses its monopoly to charge others for APIs. http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/22368/ | Sep 13 20:37 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: fllback? | Sep 13 20:38 |
cubezzz | fallback you mean? yes :) | Sep 13 20:38 |
cubezzz | it shouldn't be too hard to set up two internet sources on one computer | Sep 13 20:39 |
schestowitz | Wow. Nice images. http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43929/184/ | Sep 13 20:40 |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, some people here do it | Sep 13 20:40 |
schestowitz | HYPOCRITES: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352583,00.asp | Sep 13 20:43 |
schestowitz | Microsoft shiller nest TG Daily lets the Enderle shill post another piece of trollery: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43928/98/ | Sep 13 20:43 |
schestowitz | x vs y vs z... he does so many of these and Microsoft is usually the *gasp* winner... Typical Enderbloombergshill | Sep 13 20:44 |
MinceR | why do you feed them? :) | Sep 13 20:45 |
schestowitz | Can't help it | Sep 13 20:47 |
schestowitz | Need to show..... my precious.... :-|||||||| | Sep 13 20:47 |
twitter1 | Gene Quinn's log would not take my catcha. | Sep 13 20:47 |
schestowitz | "Fly my pretties... do you worst" | Sep 13 20:48 |
twitter1 | tried konq then iceweasel | Sep 13 20:48 |
twitter1 | he should dump broken windows for free software | Sep 13 20:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.mercurynews.com/businessupdate/ci_13308873 "Biz Break: Would Yahoo's Bartz have said yes to Microsoft deal? 'Sure, do you think I'm stupid'" | Sep 13 20:50 |
schestowitz | Yes, you are, Carole | Sep 13 20:50 |
schestowitz | The investors agree | Sep 13 20:50 |
cubezzz | ok Enderle is criticizing Apple here | Sep 13 20:51 |
cubezzz | people can say want they want | Sep 13 20:51 |
twitter1 | cubezzz can lie if he wants to! | Sep 13 20:51 |
schestowitz | He does this all the time | Sep 13 20:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just responded to a blog article on:http://tinyurl.com/l7pnsf I wonder why is moderation needed? ;) #microsoft #vista #xp | Sep 13 20:52 | |
schestowitz | EVen when Chrome OS was announced | Sep 13 20:52 |
schestowitz | He follows the Microsoft zeitgeist | Sep 13 20:52 |
twitter1 | Enderele is such an obvious troll, I even noticed. | Sep 13 20:52 |
cubezzz | ... | Sep 13 20:52 |
twitter1 | People pack his wrong head with talking points | Sep 13 20:53 |
cubezzz | ok, I guess I haven't read enough yet then | Sep 13 20:53 |
schestowitz | Yuck: http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/09/codeplex-foundation-why-is-microsoft.html | Sep 13 20:53 |
schestowitz | "I will try to explain why I think that the CodePlex Foundation is a good idea, and why I agreed to be an advisor for the Foundation." | Sep 13 20:53 |
twitter1 | I've got a few links to Enderle nonsense and write ups in my poison pen collection http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/206959 | Sep 13 20:54 |
twitter1 | does that meat head still talk about SCO? | Sep 13 20:55 |
schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204584404574393102737256542.html | Sep 13 20:55 |
twitter1 | I doubt anyone will pay attention to CodePlex | Sep 13 20:56 |
cubezzz | I should point out that when someone is posting their opinion (ill-informed as it may be) it's not lying | Sep 13 20:56 |
twitter1 | Sourceforge, savanna and many others already dominate the space. | Sep 13 20:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] quite possibly the worst tattoo ever, worse than the zune tattoo http://imgur.com/R62RX.jpg | Sep 13 20:57 | |
twitter1 | sure, cubezz, you get a choice. he's either malicious and dishonest or malicious and stupid. | Sep 13 20:57 |
MinceR | well, the m$-loving "open source proponents" will jump on it | Sep 13 20:57 |
twitter1 | all five of them? | Sep 13 20:58 |
cubezzz | is that a BSOD tattoo? :-0 | Sep 13 20:58 |
cubezzz | his arm looks pretty red | Sep 13 20:58 |
MinceR | yeah, all five of them | Sep 13 20:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : old news. CTRL+ALT+Delete would rub that one off, methinks. | Sep 13 20:59 | |
cubezzz | OK, I see Enderle isn't one of the good guys | Sep 13 20:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] What’s Yahoo’s “Plan B” For Search? http://is.gd/3eqSb | Sep 13 21:00 | |
ThistleWeb | cubezzz: depends on the perspective lol he's one of MS's "good guys" | Sep 13 21:00 |
schestowitz | One to ebar in mind next time broadcom screws Linux: http://gadgetress.freedomblogging.com/2009/09/11/u-verse-tv-may-get-better-performance-with-broadcom-chip/20787/ | Sep 13 21:00 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+enderle&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Sep 13 21:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @doctorow Detroit teacher needs YA ebooks for her blind students' Braille library http://tinyurl.com/kmjapn PLEASE FORWARD! | Sep 13 21:01 | |
schestowitz | Bartzmer is the type that admires Microsoft | Sep 13 21:01 |
twitter1 | when has broadcom done anything but screw free software? | Sep 13 21:01 |
schestowitz | She worked in proprietary s/w as a Microsoft partner/vassal, probbaly looking and billg and steveb as Gods | Sep 13 21:01 |
schestowitz | Now she gives Yahoo! to them, almost free of charge | Sep 13 21:01 |
schestowitz | WHat a facre | Sep 13 21:02 |
cubezzz | the thing is non-programmers don't get the FOSS idea, and I bet almost none of these journals are programmers | Sep 13 21:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So the Open Source community welcomes Codeplex? The Windows Open source community? RMS? Open source advocates? #microsoft #windows #linux | Sep 13 21:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard @doctorow Detroit teacher needs YA ebooks for her blind students' Braille library http://tinyurl.com/kmjapn PLEASE FORWARD! | Sep 13 21:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Muti-Project Software Forge With PHP: InDefero: http://is.gd/3erf0 | Sep 13 21:05 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] @_Goblin I don't... it feels like a trap... | Sep 13 21:06 | |
trmanco | schestowitz: what is bnc written in? | Sep 13 21:06 |
schestowitz | Microsoft fanboy Stuart Johnston is again passing on Microsoft Slog | Sep 13 21:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/feedback.php/http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3838396/CFO+Microsoft+Has+a+Firm+Grip+on+Netbooks.htm The headline should say "tight grip ON OEMs" | Sep 13 21:09 |
schestowitz | Microsoft don't have a grip on subnotebooks | Sep 13 21:09 |
schestowitz | It just dumps money on OEMs to force them to use Windows | Sep 13 21:09 |
schestowitz | And Microsoft lies, again | Sep 13 21:09 |
schestowitz | It give US figures | Sep 13 21:09 |
schestowitz | And relies on ignorant readers to think it's "World"' | Sep 13 21:09 |
schestowitz | Also neglects ARM and pricing factor | Sep 13 21:10 |
schestowitz | But.. another very typical shill job from Stuart Johnston | Sep 13 21:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @trmanco I agree (although IMO it just MS looking to exploit something it can't control at the moment) Apparently we all welcome codeplex! | Sep 13 21:10 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @trmanco according to: http://bit.ly/SNC82 | Sep 13 21:10 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: Perl | Sep 13 21:10 |
schestowitz | with many modules | Sep 13 21:10 |
trmanco | hmm | Sep 13 21:10 |
schestowitz | I had to compile loads of modules, twice | Sep 13 21:10 |
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twitter1 | people start to notice that bank mergers and public looting only made problems worse http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYdgQkXu9eBg | Sep 13 21:11 |
schestowitz | twitter1: surely you kid | Sep 13 21:12 |
schestowitz | "They know what they're doing" | Sep 13 21:13 |
schestowitz | "They're PROFESSIONALS" | Sep 13 21:13 |
schestowitz | --Greenspine | Sep 13 21:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Hi all, Sure making Banks and Insurance companies that are "too big to fail" bigger is not going help | Sep 13 21:13 |
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schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: let's make one big bank and solve it all... | Sep 13 21:13 |
schestowitz | Oh, wait. | Sep 13 21:13 |
schestowitz | World Bank exists already :-p | Sep 13 21:14 |
schestowitz | Now we just need Mother IMF to bring us sweet lovin' globalisation. | Sep 13 21:14 |
schestowitz | Meaning lower wages for all.... as /they/ want it to be, not /us/ | Sep 13 21:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its already there, just hidden a little | Sep 13 21:14 |
twitter1 | Volker and Stiglitz recommend breaking them up. It's a start. | Sep 13 21:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin like @trmanco said, it'sa trap | Sep 13 21:15 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | not going happen | Sep 13 21:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | at least here | Sep 13 21:15 |
schestowitz | Standard Bank (like OIL) | Sep 13 21:15 |
schestowitz | Why are the "wealth of the nation" so quiet? | Sep 13 21:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | sure, but has the DOJ broken up much here, since they failed to break up MSFT? Last thing I know they broke up was Ma Bell | Sep 13 21:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | in fact, they have become the advocates of the monopolys | Sep 13 21:17 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I think they need to go after the Wealth of the Nation too | Sep 13 21:17 |
schestowitz | Referring to families and dynasties... those that amass obscene amounts of money (and thus power) | Sep 13 21:17 |
schestowitz | The banks are an artifact of those | Sep 13 21:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | how many times in history has that happened? | Sep 13 21:18 |
schestowitz | WHose loans become a welfare system for expansion of power over those in debt, INCLUDING nations | Sep 13 21:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | going afte the wealthy? | Sep 13 21:18 |
schestowitz | The US loves borrowing favours and money to nations | Sep 13 21:18 |
schestowitz | This way it turns them to Client States | Sep 13 21:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, its about control, but any country would do it | Sep 13 21:18 |
schestowitz | And the likes of Rockefellers still have a direct hand in stuff like foreign invasion | Sep 13 21:19 |
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schestowitz | It's like the United Fruit company, only more secretive | Sep 13 21:19 |
twitter1 | lol -> Microsoft on Thursday kicked off an advertising campaign for the new Windows 7 operating system with a spot on the CW's "Vampire Diaries". ... | Sep 13 21:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Britain at the height of its power did much the same | Sep 13 21:19 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 ads... not interested | Sep 13 21:19 |
schestowitz | Are they still exploiting children for ads? | Sep 13 21:19 |
twitter1 | Vampires, not interested | Sep 13 21:19 |
schestowitz | Like they do in the UK? | Sep 13 21:19 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it doesn't make it OK, though | Sep 13 21:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | sure, I did not say it did | Sep 13 21:20 |
twitter1 | Microsoft Vampires. | Sep 13 21:20 |
schestowitz | The British Empire sort of fell (not London is a co-satellite of bother US) | Sep 13 21:20 |
schestowitz | *brother | Sep 13 21:20 |
schestowitz | But China, Singapore, Taiwan, Korea etc. will be the next centre | Sep 13 21:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The USA learned from Britain | Sep 13 21:20 |
schestowitz | They are already lending TO the West | Sep 13 21:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | was a good teacher | Sep 13 21:20 |
schestowitz | MEaning they can 'loot' all the big companies that owe them at any time | Sep 13 21:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz in the space of a few minutes nobody has responded saying they like the idea. What did Monty mean when he said we accepted it? | Sep 13 21:21 | |
schestowitz | But they wait for the economies to crumble further I guess. | Sep 13 21:21 |
schestowitz | [19:55] [Notice] -BNc to #boycottnovell- [nickballard] Red Flag To Fly Over White House http://bit.ly/2Zgzfd | Sep 13 21:21 |
trmanco | twitter is b0rked again | Sep 13 21:21 |
schestowitz | trmanco: maybe DDOS, who knows | Sep 13 21:22 |
twitter1 | can loot? | Sep 13 21:22 |
schestowitz | I got a whale picture a few days ago | Sep 13 21:22 |
trmanco | again? I don't think so | Sep 13 21:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, there are a lot of good people here in the USA, but I don't like everything the gov here does | Sep 13 21:22 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I know | Sep 13 21:22 |
schestowitz | The same goes for every country | Sep 13 21:22 |
cubezzz | Stallman for one :) | Sep 13 21:22 |
twitter1 | The destruction of GM and China walking away with trophies like Hummer is not proof of ongoing looting? | Sep 13 21:22 |
cubezzz | he's pretty good | Sep 13 21:22 |
schestowitz | Not everyone in Tehran, or Germany or Isreal agrees with the government | Sep 13 21:23 |
schestowitz | Same in the US | Sep 13 21:23 |
schestowitz | Many oppose the government | Sep 13 21:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] JGC on how the Turing apology was won http://bit.ly/wxAlt | Sep 13 21:23 | |
schestowitz | As for the rest, well... the BRAINWASH affects them effectively | Sep 13 21:23 |
schestowitz | So then the question is, are those who are susciptible to misinformation and propaganda guilty too? | Sep 13 21:23 |
schestowitz | Or just those who spread it? | Sep 13 21:23 |
schestowitz | Like the Bush cabinet for example? | Sep 13 21:24 |
Chips_B_Malroy | W is gone | Sep 13 21:24 |
schestowitz | William Gates? | Sep 13 21:24 |
trmanco | http://www.inspircd.com/index.php?page=Main&action=Read&id=93 | Sep 13 21:24 |
schestowitz | Walker? | Sep 13 21:24 |
trmanco | yay for the kde devs | Sep 13 21:24 |
schestowitz | BIlly Boy is still lobbying | Sep 13 21:24 |
*schestowitz thinks it's weird how fast trmanco turned from GNOME/GTK to hardcore kman | Sep 13 21:25 | |
trmanco | LOL | Sep 13 21:25 |
trmanco | people just change | Sep 13 21:25 |
schestowitz | Does Microsoft Windows Mobile Have A Future? http://www.bmighty.com/mobile/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219700387 | Sep 13 21:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy | B. Gates is an control freak, you only have to look at DRM and WGA in windows to know that. Sadly, Gates has expanded his control complex to other areas beyond just software. | Sep 13 21:26 |
schestowitz | Reading MSFT news is fun | Sep 13 21:26 |
schestowitz | They are dead liver | Sep 13 21:26 |
trmanco | and when the change is to a better thing, they change without any hassle | Sep 13 21:26 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: he can run but he can't hide | Sep 13 21:26 |
schestowitz | In medicine, people have already accuse the man of monopolising | Sep 13 21:26 |
schestowitz | It harms their innovation in research... midecal research | Sep 13 21:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, MS Watch has now failed to post 3 of my more recent comments, including the one with the link here. | Sep 13 21:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] @_Goblin MS is not to be trusted, IMO | Sep 13 21:27 | |
schestowitz | IOW, BillG may be causing more deaths for perosnal benefit | Sep 13 21:27 |
trmanco | If I were lying about my satisfaction with kde, I would be posting that stuff | Sep 13 21:27 |
[H]omer | Hello folks | Sep 13 21:28 |
trmanco | and they truth it, I'm simply loving it | Sep 13 21:28 |
[H]omer | Sorry for the long absence | Sep 13 21:28 |
trmanco | hey [H]omer | Sep 13 21:28 |
[H]omer | Months? I think | Sep 13 21:28 |
trmanco | the* | Sep 13 21:28 |
trmanco | maybe a year :-P | Sep 13 21:28 |
trmanco | almost | Sep 13 21:28 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it's a fan site for Microsoft | Sep 13 21:28 |
[H]omer | I'm busy developing something ATM | Sep 13 21:28 |
schestowitz | I saw the recent posts | Sep 13 21:28 |
schestowitz | Disgusting | Sep 13 21:28 |
[H]omer | I need help | Sep 13 21:28 |
schestowitz | I raise this issue in IRC | Sep 13 21:28 |
[H]omer | Any takers? | Sep 13 21:28 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Gates is using his power, (wealth) to control the DOJ, to target his competition (Google). But I think its more than just that | Sep 13 21:28 |
schestowitz | I hope Microsoft at least pays part of his wage | Sep 13 21:28 |
schestowitz | Microsoft works a lot of Ziff Davis | Sep 13 21:29 |
twitter1 | Wintel Rags. | Sep 13 21:29 |
twitter1 | soon gone. | Sep 13 21:29 |
twitter1 | bbl | Sep 13 21:29 |
schestowitz | [H]omer: absence for almost a year. | Sep 13 21:29 |
schestowitz | No trolls anymore | Sep 13 21:29 |
[H]omer | *One Year*? | Sep 13 21:29 |
[H]omer | Good God! | Sep 13 21:29 |
schestowitz | Feels like it | Sep 13 21:29 |
schestowitz | #slated has been 'mine' :-p | Sep 13 21:30 |
[H]omer | Really that long? | Sep 13 21:30 |
[H]omer | Wow | Sep 13 21:30 |
trmanco | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/09/13/#20090913-foss_in-hacker_conference | Sep 13 21:30 |
trmanco | nice blog | Sep 13 21:30 |
schestowitz | How's blagblagblag? | Sep 13 21:30 |
[H]omer | I forget what happened | Sep 13 21:30 |
trmanco | KISS style | Sep 13 21:30 |
[H]omer | Some "bad" incident | Sep 13 21:30 |
[H]omer | Anyway ... I'm baaaaack | Sep 13 21:30 |
[H]omer | I need a filesystem expert, pronto | Sep 13 21:31 |
[H]omer | Not a problem, just development | Sep 13 21:31 |
schestowitz | Oiaohm is the guy | Sep 13 21:31 |
schestowitz | He's doing data recovery | Sep 13 21:31 |
[H]omer | Oiaom who? | Sep 13 21:31 |
schestowitz | COlins | Sep 13 21:31 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 13 21:31 |
schestowitz | He's here every now and then | Sep 13 21:31 |
trmanco | yeah, he is the guy | Sep 13 21:31 |
trmanco | FS's and graphics | Sep 13 21:32 |
[H]omer | I need someone to run badblocks on a bad filesystem, then send me the resultant file for analysis | Sep 13 21:32 |
[H]omer | To learn the file format | Sep 13 21:32 |
schestowitz | oiaohm can do that | Sep 13 21:32 |
schestowitz | He does this for a living... bad data | Sep 13 21:32 |
[H]omer | Or I need a pointer to which part of what sources might have a data table | Sep 13 21:32 |
[H]omer | e2fsck sounds a likely candidate | Sep 13 21:33 |
schestowitz | Did you ask Linux developers? | Sep 13 21:33 |
*trmanco is using Amarok 2 just to start the flaming :-P | Sep 13 21:33 | |
schestowitz | Tso and other people? | Sep 13 21:33 |
*MinceR is using tvtime :> | Sep 13 21:33 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: amarok works superbly for me | Sep 13 21:33 |
trmanco | I just need a damn EQ | Sep 13 21:34 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 13 21:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Should Microsoft use this for their new ad campaign? http://bit.ly/1wKJFn #microsoft #windows #vista #xp | Sep 13 21:34 | |
schestowitz | Light, VERY stable, nice Wikipedia items to rediscover my collections | Sep 13 21:34 |
[H]omer | schestowitz, you mean on the LKML? | Sep 13 21:34 |
schestowitz | Different strokes for different folks | Sep 13 21:34 |
schestowitz | [H]omer: yeah | Sep 13 21:34 |
trmanco | what FS do you want to test that on? | Sep 13 21:34 |
[H]omer | hmm | Sep 13 21:34 |
[H]omer | ext2 | Sep 13 21:34 |
schestowitz | If you have the potential of giving patches back they might then help | Sep 13 21:34 |
trmanco | if it's ext4, just send an email there | Sep 13 21:34 |
trmanco | oh | Sep 13 21:34 |
trmanco | I'm not sure it's active | Sep 13 21:34 |
[H]omer | I need a fs with no journaling, since it's a security risk | Sep 13 21:35 |
[H]omer | But the principle is the same across *all* ext(x) systems (badblocks) | Sep 13 21:35 |
trmanco | you can disable journaling in ext4 I think | Sep 13 21:36 |
schestowitz | Does old FAT have journaling? | Sep 13 21:36 |
[H]omer | no | Sep 13 21:36 |
trmanco | you can also try the ext4 list | Sep 13 21:36 |
[H]omer | only ntfs | Sep 13 21:36 |
[H]omer | pity there's no "filesystem" channel | Sep 13 21:36 |
[H]omer | I like immediate feedback | Sep 13 21:37 |
schestowitz | *LOL* @ "Gamers Sue Microsoft, Bungie Over Halo 3 Glitches" http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/09/halo-3-lawsuit/ | Sep 13 21:37 |
[H]omer | heh! | Sep 13 21:37 |
schestowitz | [H]omer: there is | Sep 13 21:37 |
schestowitz | daemonfs trolled it , afaik | Sep 13 21:37 |
schestowitz | maybe banned | Sep 13 21:37 |
schestowitz | tried #extX? | Sep 13 21:37 |
[H]omer | Lemme Google again (tried all day yesterday) | Sep 13 21:38 |
schestowitz | I saw his IRC screenshots with xchat and FS channel | Sep 13 21:38 |
trmanco | http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html | Sep 13 21:38 |
schestowitz | FS=file system, not free softrware | Sep 13 21:38 |
trmanco | search for ext4 | Sep 13 21:38 |
trmanco | they might know how to help | Sep 13 21:38 |
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schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Watch Nick: | Sep 13 21:40 |
schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Eliminating-27-More-Employees-By-November-1-653604/ | Sep 13 21:40 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft Eliminating 27 More Employees By Nov. 1" | Sep 13 21:40 |
schestowitz | He writes for the eWEEK site sometimes | Sep 13 21:40 |
schestowitz | wb, _Hicham_ | Sep 13 21:40 |
MinceR | journaling is a security risk? | Sep 13 21:41 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: you know some channel like #fedora | Sep 13 21:41 |
_Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Sep 13 21:41 |
schestowitz | Is there one/s for file systems? | Sep 13 21:41 |
_Hicham_ | for file systems ? | Sep 13 21:41 |
schestowitz | MinceR: maybe for jumping to areas of the disk of another user or root | Sep 13 21:41 |
trmanco | it's a security risk if you want to hide data, maybe | Sep 13 21:42 |
schestowitz | Like buffer overflow using physical error | Sep 13 21:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin : tortoise and scorpion | Sep 13 21:43 | |
schestowitz | tortois | Sep 13 21:43 |
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schestowitz | ^ignore | Sep 13 21:43 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: hey | Sep 13 21:43 |
schestowitz | WHat were those file system channels you were in? | Sep 13 21:43 |
DaemonFC | looks like JWZ ran into the ALSA problems and had the same reaction as me | Sep 13 21:43 |
DaemonFC | ? | Sep 13 21:44 |
trmanco | what alsa problems? | Sep 13 21:44 |
schestowitz | the name maybe | Sep 13 21:44 |
DaemonFC | http://jwz.livejournal.com/490051.html | Sep 13 21:44 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: You mean when I was talking to Eric Sandeen? | Sep 13 21:44 |
DaemonFC | he's in #xfs | Sep 13 21:44 |
schestowitz | xmms is old | Sep 13 21:44 |
schestowitz | And it's messy for sound systems | Sep 13 21:45 |
schestowitz | Too ancient | Sep 13 21:45 |
schestowitz | Not maintained | Sep 13 21:45 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Flash does not play nicely with DMIX | Sep 13 21:45 |
schestowitz | I used it in Mandriva | Sep 13 21:45 |
DaemonFC | Audacious doesn't either | Sep 13 21:45 |
schestowitz | Need to start with puse | Sep 13 21:45 |
schestowitz | *pulse | Sep 13 21:45 |
schestowitz | Even then, it's not reliable, so I went back to Exaile | Sep 13 21:45 |
trmanco | oh | Sep 13 21:45 |
DaemonFC | do you realize how poorly Pulseaudio integrates into KDE? | Sep 13 21:45 |
schestowitz | "Well, FWIW, OSS is marked as "deprecated" in the kernel config. Too bad ALSA is only slightly better." | Sep 13 21:46 |
schestowitz | http://jwz.livejournal.com/490051.html?thread=6883651#t6883651 | Sep 13 21:46 |
DaemonFC | lmao | Sep 13 21:46 |
DaemonFC | OSS really isn't all that bad | Sep 13 21:46 |
DaemonFC | FreeBSD uses it and I've never had anything bitch about not having a lock on my sound card | Sep 13 21:46 |
DaemonFC | GPL v2 is still one of the licensing options on OSS | Sep 13 21:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/171845/how_windows_autorun_can_autoinfect.html | Sep 13 21:47 |
MinceR | jwz stopped making sense when he joined the crApple cult | Sep 13 21:47 |
DaemonFC | I'm half tempted to figure out some way of getting it to work | Sep 13 21:47 |
DaemonFC | on Linux that is | Sep 13 21:47 |
DaemonFC | seems like every configuration I've tried, something that wasn't working suddenly works, and I've broken something else | Sep 13 21:49 |
DaemonFC | I have no idea why nobody has made a proper version of Pulseaudio for KDE | Sep 13 21:49 |
DaemonFC | you have outfits like Fedora and Mandriva slapping it in because there's nothing else that works | Sep 13 21:50 |
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DaemonFC | and you have Kubuntu which doesn't have any mixer at all by default | Sep 13 21:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Hi DaemonFC, I read the irc log the other days, and a few things you had to say were very interesting | Sep 13 21:50 |
DaemonFC | such as? | Sep 13 21:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you said you had problems with the AAC codecs? | Sep 13 21:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | something about ffmeg | Sep 13 21:51 |
DaemonFC | yeah, on Ubuntu's version of VLC | Sep 13 21:51 |
DaemonFC | I don't care if I can play it or not | Sep 13 21:52 |
DaemonFC | so of course DECODING works fine | Sep 13 21:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I think its a bigger problem than that | Sep 13 21:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I think its related to ffmeg | Sep 13 21:52 |
DaemonFC | well, from what I could gather, VLC uses its own version of ffmpeg | Sep 13 21:52 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC and codecs again | Sep 13 21:52 |
DaemonFC | separate from what's on the system | Sep 13 21:52 |
_Hicham_ | it shouldn't | Sep 13 21:53 |
_Hicham_ | that is wrong | Sep 13 21:53 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: kubuntu has a mixer | Sep 13 21:53 |
DaemonFC | and Ubuntu must be building their copy of VLC broken like that | Sep 13 21:53 |
schestowitz | Run kmix | Sep 13 21:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, there is a version that has all the codecs | Sep 13 21:53 |
schestowitz | Or open it from the panel | Sep 13 21:53 |
schestowitz | You can expand it to show like 20+ channels | Sep 13 21:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but not in the standard repo's | Sep 13 21:53 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I meant "Why can't anything else play audio while something else has a lock on the hardware?" | Sep 13 21:53 |
_Hicham_ | still whining about codecs | Sep 13 21:53 |
DaemonFC | I've got it to where other applications can play audio together, but flash can't | Sep 13 21:54 |
_Hicham_ | because it has access directly to hardware | Sep 13 21:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | what I notice with ffmeg is that a lot of the codecs that I have installed, it tells me its not there | Sep 13 21:54 |
_Hicham_ | flash need pulseaudio support | Sep 13 21:54 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: unique problem for you, then | Sep 13 21:54 |
_Hicham_ | yes | Sep 13 21:54 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC brings silly problems | Sep 13 21:54 |
DaemonFC | KDE tells me that my audio device has failed and it's falling back to.... | Sep 13 21:54 |
Chips_B_Malroy | either the sybolic link is not there or maybe a bug | Sep 13 21:54 |
DaemonFC | nothing | Sep 13 21:54 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, he brings imaginary problems | Sep 13 21:55 |
schestowitz | I can't reproduce | Sep 13 21:55 |
DaemonFC | it's irritating | Sep 13 21:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I use ffmpeg to convert files | Sep 13 21:55 |
schestowitz | Flash 10? | Sep 13 21:55 |
DaemonFC | yes | Sep 13 21:55 |
DaemonFC | so then I have to close my browser | Sep 13 21:55 |
_Hicham_ | haha | Sep 13 21:55 |
DaemonFC | not just the tab that flash was in, THE BROWSER | Sep 13 21:55 |
schestowitz | Sorry, man. No such problem here | Sep 13 21:55 |
_Hicham_ | silly DaemonFC | Sep 13 21:55 |
DaemonFC | and shut down the application that couldn't play sound | Sep 13 21:56 |
DaemonFC | then reopen the application and it will play | Sep 13 21:56 |
_Hicham_ | haha | Sep 13 21:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the vcd mpeg codec, ogg works fine, others have that problem | Sep 13 21:56 |
_Hicham_ | can't believe that | Sep 13 21:56 |
schestowitz | Firefox? | Sep 13 21:56 |
_Hicham_ | Liar Liar | Sep 13 21:56 |
DaemonFC | doesn't matter which browser | Sep 13 21:56 |
DaemonFC | they all do it | Sep 13 21:56 |
schestowitz | You may have broken s/t | Sep 13 21:56 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC the Shill, Go Take Your Pill | Sep 13 21:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | This is for converting files to another format, not firefox | Sep 13 21:56 |
DaemonFC | KDE has always done this to me | Sep 13 21:56 |
schestowitz | Wait | Sep 13 21:57 |
DaemonFC | Pulseaudio on GNOME fixes that particular problem | Sep 13 21:57 |
schestowitz | Did you change sound server? | Sep 13 21:57 |
schestowitz | Default works splendidly | Sep 13 21:57 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The sound is integrated Intel HDA | Sep 13 21:57 |
schestowitz | No problem since I first installed it | Sep 13 21:57 |
schestowitz | Same here | Sep 13 21:57 |
DaemonFC | it needs something like Pulseaudio there or it can't play sound from multiple applications | Sep 13 21:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC, I am suggesting the problem is with FFmpeg | Sep 13 21:57 |
schestowitz | ALSA+OSS | Sep 13 21:58 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: That's a different problem | Sep 13 21:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | possible | Sep 13 21:58 |
schestowitz | On this AMD (!!!) machine | Sep 13 21:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | because I get the same errors trying to convert to mpeg4 | Sep 13 21:58 |
DaemonFC | Pulseaudio on KDE seems to buffer everything the second application was trying to play for the first second or two | Sep 13 21:59 |
DaemonFC | but app 2 is silent | Sep 13 21:59 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Also, you said you had a problem playing hulu? | Sep 13 21:59 |
DaemonFC | then when I close app 1 and it releases the lock, Pulseaudio repeatedly plays that second of audio nonstop | Sep 13 21:59 |
DaemonFC | til I kill the app 2, which has frozen, with kill -9 | Sep 13 21:59 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: In Konqueror and Arora, Hulu doesn't work | Sep 13 22:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ah | Sep 13 22:00 |
DaemonFC | it works in Firefox or Opera | Sep 13 22:00 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | I played Monk last night in Firefox, but I used Fancast which plays Hulu | Sep 13 22:00 |
DaemonFC | never tried Fancast | Sep 13 22:01 |
schestowitz | Lieberman Software turns out to be another puppet of the Vole | Sep 13 22:01 |
DaemonFC | if Comcast is involved, it's probably unbelievably shitty | Sep 13 22:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | did not try Konq, but why is that a problem if you can use Firefox? | Sep 13 22:01 |
DaemonFC | Well, I like pretty much everything about KDE except the audio problems | Sep 13 22:01 |
schestowitz | Puseaudio? | Sep 13 22:02 |
schestowitz | I'm not sure it's even used here | Sep 13 22:02 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: Meh, Firefox is its own bag of worms on Kubuntu | Sep 13 22:02 |
schestowitz | Did you intervene with the stack\? | Sep 13 22:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC, Mint is good, but why not move over to Mepis? Its based on real Debian. | Sep 13 22:02 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC doesn't like Firefox | Sep 13 22:02 |
schestowitz | Real debian... sounds like Real Beer | Sep 13 22:02 |
_Hicham_ | what is he using it? I don't know | Sep 13 22:02 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I set up Pulseaudio per the directions on the Kubuntu wiki and restarted the system | Sep 13 22:02 |
schestowitz | For "Real Men" | Sep 13 22:02 |
_Hicham_ | do u have this problem on Konqueror ? | Sep 13 22:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yep | Sep 13 22:03 |
DaemonFC | and it jsut made things worse, so I got rid of it | Sep 13 22:03 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't | Sep 13 22:03 |
schestowitz | Use the default | Sep 13 22:03 |
schestowitz | You mess about | Sep 13 22:03 |
schestowitz | And broke it | Sep 13 22:03 |
schestowitz | See? | Sep 13 22:03 |
schestowitz | I asked you before. | Sep 13 22:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC has too many problems with pulseaudio, but Mepis is not based on that | Sep 13 22:03 |
schestowitz | He hacks stuff and then declares it broken | Sep 13 22:03 |
DaemonFC | I left it alone and it was broken | Sep 13 22:04 |
DaemonFC | I went off to try and fix it and it's broken | Sep 13 22:04 |
schestowitz | So had he left it alone live developers set it up when craving alpha5 on stone, it would work ffine | Sep 13 22:04 |
schestowitz | *like | Sep 13 22:04 |
DaemonFC | I say it was dead and cold on arrival | Sep 13 22:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I would not expect Konq to do everything, its just not reasonable | Sep 13 22:04 |
schestowitz | *Craving | Sep 13 22:04 |
schestowitz | *->carving | Sep 13 22:04 |
schestowitz | Konq makes some pages and fonts look bettr | Sep 13 22:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | If I can find a good work around, I am happy | Sep 13 22:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | nothing is perfect | Sep 13 22:05 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror is just a front end to the KHTML system, not really the main feature of it | Sep 13 22:05 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's easy enough to set it back to the way Kubuntu had it | Sep 13 22:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | except the price, of GNU/Linux which is freedom (perfect) | Sep 13 22:06 |
DaemonFC | seeing as how Kubuntu doesn't have an asound.conf by default | Sep 13 22:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I have noticed another problem playing adobe streamed flash in Firefox, sometimes it won't play | Sep 13 22:07 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I don't make changes to anything unless I know I can revert them | Sep 13 22:08 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC the scientist | Sep 13 22:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | although my Firefox is not updated. I am thinking when this happens, something is not releasing either in Java, Adobe Flash Player, Firefox, or alsa, and like windows, a reboot fixs the problem | Sep 13 22:09 |
schestowitz | Microsoft isn't the only company caught using Photoshop http://www.examiner.com/x-20193-Sacramento-Photography-Examiner~y2009m9d7-Microsoft-isnt-the-only-company-caught-using-Photoshop | Sep 13 22:09 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you broke it , then used it to spread some FUD, IMHO | Sep 13 22:10 |
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schestowitz | Play at your own risk | Sep 13 22:10 |
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DaemonFC_ | I'm not risking anything | Sep 13 22:11 |
schestowitz | It turns out we were right about you changing something | Sep 13 22:11 |
*DaemonFC_ is now known as DaemonFC | Sep 13 22:11 | |
schestowitz | Try Marble | Sep 13 22:11 |
trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/13/oracle_sun_flashfire/ | Sep 13 22:11 |
schestowitz | See what you think of openstreetmap | Sep 13 22:11 |
schestowitz | It's a nice tool | Sep 13 22:11 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's a configuration file | Sep 13 22:11 |
DaemonFC | delete it, reboot, back to default | Sep 13 22:11 |
schestowitz | trmanco: nothing about mysql | Sep 13 22:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC, last question, you said you like Frys? | Sep 13 22:11 |
DaemonFC | yes | Sep 13 22:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | go there often? Its a great store | Sep 13 22:12 |
DaemonFC | unfortunately, since I moved there's nothing like that near here | Sep 13 22:12 |
DaemonFC | there's a Best Buy :P | Sep 13 22:12 |
schestowitz | ??? | Sep 13 22:13 |
schestowitz | http://seekingalpha.com/article/160754-microsoft-look-ahead-to-september-2009-quarterly-results | Sep 13 22:13 |
schestowitz | Spetember? | Sep 13 22:13 |
schestowitz | Don't they deliver results in Oct? | Sep 13 22:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Indiania, yea, they don't have Frys. Theres one here, but I avoid it mostly, cause I just know if I walk in there, I going buy something | Sep 13 22:13 |
DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: That used to be how I was about Best Buy | Sep 13 22:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Well, DaemonFC, I was hoping you knew something about the ffmpeg codec problem | Sep 13 22:14 |
DaemonFC | no idea | Sep 13 22:14 |
DaemonFC | I'm not going to install 300 development packages just to build it myself | Sep 13 22:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Best Buy has all these great sale, subject to limited. Which means forget it | Sep 13 22:15 |
schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: why TO mpeg4? | Sep 13 22:15 |
schestowitz | Not FROM? | Sep 13 22:15 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm not overly fond of AAC | Sep 13 22:15 |
DaemonFC | the rest of the world seems to be | Sep 13 22:15 |
DaemonFC | In this case, I needed to stream in it | Sep 13 22:16 |
[H]omer | OK I've figured it out. A badblocks "file" is a newline separated list of block numbers represented in decimal format | Sep 13 22:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | actually I don't need mpeg4, thats for converting to burn to a video disk. I think K3B will do that if I wanted to | Sep 13 22:16 |
DaemonFC | K3B is one of the more useful bundled apps in KDE | Sep 13 22:16 |
[H]omer | Now I just need to convert blocks to byte offsets | Sep 13 22:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but when I was learning to do this stuff, I tryed it | Sep 13 22:16 |
DaemonFC | GNOME has Brasero now | Sep 13 22:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC, agreed on K3B | Sep 13 22:17 |
DaemonFC | I'm not really thrilled about it | Sep 13 22:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Brasero, is that like K9Copy? Wasn't it Gnomebaker before? | Sep 13 22:17 |
DaemonFC | Brasero doesn't have all the capabilities of K3B | Sep 13 22:17 |
DaemonFC | if they had to integrate a burning suite, it should have been GNOME Baker | Sep 13 22:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, agreed, Gnomebaker was not too bad | Sep 13 22:18 |
DaemonFC | no, Gnomebaker is still in development | Sep 13 22:18 |
DaemonFC | different project | Sep 13 22:18 |
_Hicham_ | Brasero is more advanced than gnomebaker | Sep 13 22:19 |
_Hicham_ | and more integrated | Sep 13 22:19 |
_Hicham_ | it uses Gstreamer to recored video discs | Sep 13 22:19 |
DaemonFC | integrated is a four letter word | Sep 13 22:19 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 13 22:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Hicham, have not tried gnome or Brasero in a long time | Sep 13 22:20 |
DaemonFC | integrated means "we already chose for you, like it or not" | Sep 13 22:20 |
_Hicham_ | Brasero have gotten better | Sep 13 22:20 |
DaemonFC | integrate is a Microsoft favorite word | Sep 13 22:20 |
DaemonFC | right after innovate | Sep 13 22:20 |
_Hicham_ | it is now tightly integrated into gnome | Sep 13 22:20 |
DaemonFC | I'm not against application bundling | Sep 13 22:20 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : integrated means less hussle for developers | Sep 13 22:21 |
DaemonFC | as long as they can be removed with minimal disruption to the system | Sep 13 22:21 |
_Hicham_ | it is not bundling | Sep 13 22:21 |
DaemonFC | integration should be used sparingly | Sep 13 22:21 |
_Hicham_ | u can give burning capabilities to ur app easily with libbrasermedia.so | Sep 13 22:21 |
_Hicham_ | integration means that u can program for the desktop easily | Sep 13 22:22 |
_Hicham_ | integration is more toward developers than ordinary users | Sep 13 22:22 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_: That's where the DLL came from | Sep 13 22:22 |
DaemonFC | and we know what a joy those are now | Sep 13 22:22 |
_Hicham_ | yes | Sep 13 22:22 |
_Hicham_ | and that is why programming for windows is easier | Sep 13 22:22 |
_Hicham_ | because u have all the components in front of u | Sep 13 22:23 |
DaemonFC | not really | Sep 13 22:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC, you clearly need to move away from Ubuntuland, as we all know your dislike for Ubuntu | Sep 13 22:23 |
_Hicham_ | dll are no more a problem | Sep 13 22:23 |
_Hicham_ | Microsoft finally introduced Manifest files | Sep 13 22:23 |
DaemonFC | in some cases it can be, in other cases shared code becomes a dependency and to upgrade the library, there's now two libraries, and three, and four | Sep 13 22:23 |
_Hicham_ | it was in 2002 | Sep 13 22:23 |
DaemonFC | and so on | Sep 13 22:23 |
_Hicham_ | with first version of visual studio | Sep 13 22:24 |
DaemonFC | do you know how many visual basic DLLs there are? | Sep 13 22:24 |
_Hicham_ | in linux, the motto is : one library for all | Sep 13 22:24 |
DaemonFC | jsut for the runtime to cover every version | Sep 13 22:24 |
_Hicham_ | yes, I know the dll i am compiling against | Sep 13 22:24 |
DaemonFC | then you carve out legacy code and odler programs fail and die | Sep 13 22:24 |
DaemonFC | neither option is a good one | Sep 13 22:24 |
DaemonFC | *older | Sep 13 22:24 |
MinceR | over 9000 | Sep 13 22:25 |
_Hicham_ | this is a real idiot | Sep 13 22:26 |
_Hicham_ | I told u that MS created Manifest files | Sep 13 22:26 |
_Hicham_ | Manifest files are shipped with the program or embedded in it | Sep 13 22:26 |
_Hicham_ | those Manifest files tells u wich dll u need | Sep 13 22:27 |
DaemonFC | if Konqueror had auto scrolling and it wasn't for that odd site or two | Sep 13 22:27 |
DaemonFC | it would be my default browser | Sep 13 22:27 |
_Hicham_ | and can be integrated easily with installers to check the presence of the dll | Sep 13 22:27 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror's rendering engine is as fast as Opera's | Sep 13 22:28 |
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balzac | I'm diggin conkeror | Sep 13 22:29 |
balzac | konqueror is nice too. I like that KDE style. | Sep 13 22:30 |
DaemonFC | how do you make autoscroll work? | Sep 13 22:30 |
DaemonFC | that's like, basic, isn't it? | Sep 13 22:30 |
balzac | conkeror is awesome with gecko and emacs key-bindings | Sep 13 22:30 |
balzac | friggin sweet | Sep 13 22:30 |
DaemonFC | that's been missing in action since KDE 4 | Sep 13 22:30 |
MinceR | that's like, a gimmick nobody ever used | Sep 13 22:30 |
DaemonFC | I use it | Sep 13 22:30 |
balzac | conkeror is hot | Sep 13 22:31 |
balzac | other than firefox, it's the best gecko-based browser | Sep 13 22:31 |
balzac | add moz-rpl | Sep 13 22:31 |
balzac | get some firebug integration and it's a monster dev tool | Sep 13 22:31 |
MinceR | well, i used it once but only because that mouse had no scroll wheel :) | Sep 13 22:32 |
balzac | conkeror? | Sep 13 22:32 |
balzac | emacs has its own buffer scrolling shortcuts | Sep 13 22:33 |
MinceR | autoscroll | Sep 13 22:33 |
MinceR | it was on a university machine i used once, iirc | Sep 13 22:33 |
balzac | for that matter, you can use whatever you want to engage, view and scrape content into the window of your choice | Sep 13 22:33 |
schestowitz | Good headline: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/09/steve_ballmer_g.html | Sep 13 22:34 |
balzac | I've seen command-line based video editing in Emacs | Sep 13 22:34 |
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balzac | as well, you can visit image files in an emacs buffer | Sep 13 22:34 |
balzac | back to basics | Sep 13 22:34 |
balzac | RMS wgets his web pages | Sep 13 22:34 |
MinceR | well, i suppose one could write edit lists in a text editor | Sep 13 22:35 |
balzac | I'm thinking of buying an IPOD just out of Steve Jobs recognition | Sep 13 22:35 |
DaemonFC | Konversation has been ported to QT 4 | Sep 13 22:35 |
DaemonFC | I was happy to see that since Quassel sucks so hard | Sep 13 22:35 |
MinceR | probably one of the best ways to cut video for me | Sep 13 22:35 |
balzac | new tiny video ipod | Sep 13 22:36 |
MinceR | yay, new hypePod | Sep 13 22:36 |
MinceR | same as the old hypePod | Sep 13 22:36 |
balzac | Jobs put BASH as the default shell in OSX which makes it not so terrible for a mostly proprietary OS | Sep 13 22:36 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: I hate the iPod, I really do. It's one of those devices you never own, only rent. | Sep 13 22:36 |
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MinceR | i guess so, if you only want to use a terminal on it | Sep 13 22:36 |
DaemonFC | they even update the firmware without your permission | Sep 13 22:36 |
DaemonFC | possibly wrecking the player or your settings | Sep 13 22:37 |
balzac | Jobs is on his feet again with a transplanted liver | Sep 13 22:37 |
balzac | he's a hell of a guy | Sep 13 22:37 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: and you can get an unlocked PMP from china for half the price that does more | Sep 13 22:37 |
balzac | Ballmer should watch his step. | Sep 13 22:37 |
MinceR | balzac: good idea, let's arrange a cage fight for them | Sep 13 22:37 |
MinceR | whoever loses, we all win. | Sep 13 22:37 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: The no names support Vorbis and FLAC and cost more like 1/5th the price of an iPod | Sep 13 22:37 |
balzac | Don't be steppin' on an ipod nowadays. | Sep 13 22:37 |
balzac | nah, I'd take ballmer down in a cage match. | Sep 13 22:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_37/b4146051036364.htm?chan=technology_technology+index+page_top+stories | Sep 13 22:38 |
DaemonFC | the only real hardware difference is that the knock offs don't say "Apple"on them | Sep 13 22:38 |
DaemonFC | and might actually have a scratch resistent clear coat | Sep 13 22:38 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: also, they probably don't explode on their own | Sep 13 22:38 |
DaemonFC | the Sansa media players don't scratch and still have the glossy finish | Sep 13 22:38 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: while the EU is glad to import dangerous crap from crApple, they'd ban Chinese stuff immediately if they did that. | Sep 13 22:38 |
DaemonFC | Apple doesn't put a clear coat on the ipod cause they want to sell you the carry case | Sep 13 22:38 |
balzac | I'd go three-stooges-bongo-slappin on that bald head of his. | Sep 13 22:38 |
schestowitz | A friend showed me this evening his new Nokia Symbian phones phone+keyboard. Nicer than I imagined..... | Sep 13 22:39 |
MinceR | balzac: i'd watch. | Sep 13 22:39 |
schestowitz | N90 somehting? | Sep 13 22:39 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: The Sansa Fuze is a very nice piece of hardware | Sep 13 22:39 |
MinceR | schestowitz: n97 | Sep 13 22:39 |
DaemonFC | price is pretty agreeable too | Sep 13 22:39 |
MinceR | balzac: though i'd let him fight jobs first. | Sep 13 22:39 |
MinceR | schestowitz: ? | Sep 13 22:39 |
schestowitz | MinceR: probably | Sep 13 22:39 |
MinceR | (yay for forgetting the question mark) | Sep 13 22:39 |
schestowitz | I told him about the n900 | Sep 13 22:39 |
schestowitz | Not here in the UK yet, though | Sep 13 22:39 |
balzac | Jobs is a shot-caller, not a henchman. Ballmer is a henchman, not a shot-caller. | Sep 13 22:40 |
MinceR | it's still "Coming Soon" | Sep 13 22:40 |
balzac | Ballmer hasn't earned the right to challenge Jobs to anything. | Sep 13 22:40 |
MinceR | balzac: i wonder how good he is with chairs, though | Sep 13 22:40 |
schestowitz | MinceR: better than "Coming Zoon [HD]" | Sep 13 22:40 |
MinceR | but apparently the n900 won't have any stereo wired headsets or audio adapters. | Sep 13 22:40 |
schestowitz | Zoooon HD will be US-only | Sep 13 22:40 |
schestowitz | They'll axe it | Sep 13 22:40 |
MinceR | so it's a nonstarter for me. | Sep 13 22:40 |
schestowitz | They know they've lost already | Sep 13 22:40 |
schestowitz | Like WinMob[sic] | Sep 13 22:41 |
balzac | how about Woz vs Gates? Woz would clown him. | Sep 13 22:41 |
MinceR | why not? | Sep 13 22:41 |
DaemonFC | It supports all the proprietary codecs of course, but also has full support for FLAC and Vorbis | Sep 13 22:41 |
DaemonFC | so no matter what audio file formats you use, it'll play them | Sep 13 22:41 |
DaemonFC | I'm happier with the $40 Sansa than I was with the $200 iPod | Sep 13 22:41 |
DaemonFC | I think that the iPod is like everything else Apple makes, all flash and no substance | Sep 13 22:41 |
schestowitz | WOz is big now | Sep 13 22:41 |
schestowitz | Chubby fella | Sep 13 22:41 |
balzac | And even in his current state, Jobs could still take Gates down. | Sep 13 22:41 |
schestowitz | Gates is frail | Sep 13 22:41 |
MinceR | and the winner gets to fight it out with a surprise opponent :> | Sep 13 22:41 |
schestowitz | Just arrogant based on those deposition | Sep 13 22:41 |
schestowitz | *s | Sep 13 22:42 |
MinceR | gates is fail? | Sep 13 22:42 |
schestowitz | His interrogator could go beyond grilling | Sep 13 22:42 |
schestowitz | Gates refuses to answer simple question | Sep 13 22:42 |
schestowitz | Had it been the CIA, they would waterboard the glassy guy | Sep 13 22:42 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 13 22:42 |
DaemonFC | dammit | Sep 13 22:43 |
balzac | Gates vs Stallman | Sep 13 22:43 |
schestowitz | "What do you mean by waterboard?" | Sep 13 22:43 |
DaemonFC | another one of those user agent sniffers | Sep 13 22:43 |
balzac | nobody would win | Sep 13 22:43 |
DaemonFC | :D | Sep 13 22:43 |
schestowitz | "What do you mean by extend?" | Sep 13 22:43 |
schestowitz | "What do you mean by thought?" | Sep 13 22:43 |
schestowitz | "What do you mean by coup?" | Sep 13 22:43 |
schestowitz | balzac: RMS is stronger | Sep 13 22:43 |
schestowitz | And older too | Sep 13 22:43 |
MinceR | balzac: let Stallman use his katanas. | Sep 13 22:43 |
schestowitz | gnu power | Sep 13 22:44 |
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MinceR | http://xkcd.com/225/ | Sep 13 22:44 |
sebsebseb | hi | Sep 13 22:44 |
schestowitz | he could ram into SweatyB if he tried | Sep 13 22:44 |
balzac | yeah, but they're both so sedentary, nobody could get them to throw down. | Sep 13 22:44 |
schestowitz | But he had a dodgy knee | Sep 13 22:44 |
schestowitz | I'd beat Ballmer too | Sep 13 22:44 |
balzac | Torvalds' wife probably taught him some karate | Sep 13 22:44 |
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schestowitz | He a coward, chickenhawn | Sep 13 22:44 |
schestowitz | Watch how he ducked under a desk to escape mere eggs | Sep 13 22:45 |
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schestowitz | Torvalds is strong too, but he's much younger | Sep 13 22:45 |
schestowitz | When is Torvalds 40? | Sep 13 22:45 |
_Hicham_ | Ballmer do not play Baseball | Sep 13 22:45 |
schestowitz | Baketball | Sep 13 22:45 |
balzac | he might take ballmer down with a kick to the the leg | Sep 13 22:45 |
_Hicham_ | not like Bush | Sep 13 22:45 |
schestowitz | Since college | Sep 13 22:45 |
_Hicham_ | Bush can escape any missile | Sep 13 22:45 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Comcast recommends Internet Explorer | Sep 13 22:46 |
DaemonFC | any surprise? | Sep 13 22:46 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 13 22:46 |
schestowitz | Bush could escape shoes | Sep 13 22:46 |
schestowitz | The guy on stage helped him *LOL* | Sep 13 22:46 |
schestowitz | "Podium buddy" | Sep 13 22:46 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz is a sword master | Sep 13 22:46 |
_Hicham_ | where did u learn fighting with swords schestowitz ? | Sep 13 22:46 |
schestowitz | "[match not found] recommends Comkkkast" | Sep 13 22:46 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: me??? | Sep 13 22:47 |
schestowitz | Moi? | Sep 13 22:47 |
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schestowitz | I haven't fought since I was like 15 | Sep 13 22:47 |
schestowitz | Some guy at school... we were friends later | Sep 13 22:47 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3023/snapshot7.png | Sep 13 22:47 |
schestowitz | GOOD -:> http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUSN1041348920090911 (U.S. video game sales down 16 pct in Aug.-NPD) | Sep 13 22:48 |
trmanco | http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=80006 | Sep 13 22:49 |
trmanco | :O | Sep 13 22:49 |
schestowitz | I see you use Konversation | Sep 13 22:49 |
schestowitz | How do you like it? | Sep 13 22:49 |
schestowitz | It's not a final version, but it feels almost like one | Sep 13 22:49 |
schestowitz | Line markers don't work yet | Sep 13 22:50 |
schestowitz | Issue reported and will be fixed. I added info to the bug reports | Sep 13 22:50 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I like it much better than Quassel | Sep 13 22:50 |
DaemonFC | Quassel lags and churns the hard disk | Sep 13 22:50 |
trmanco | amarok died | Sep 13 22:50 |
DaemonFC | whoever bolted sqlite onto an irc client needs to be slapped | Sep 13 22:50 |
DaemonFC | I used Konqueror back on KDE 3 | Sep 13 22:51 |
DaemonFC | errr Konversation | Sep 13 22:51 |
DaemonFC | oops | Sep 13 22:51 |
trmanco | Executable: amarok PID: 11545 Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault) | Sep 13 22:51 |
DaemonFC | Koverload | Sep 13 22:51 |
schestowitz | trmanco: weird. Bad luck? Bad playlist? | Sep 13 22:51 |
trmanco | maybe | Sep 13 22:52 |
trmanco | I was playing some internet music | Sep 13 22:52 |
trmanco | then it stopped | Sep 13 22:52 |
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trmanco | and when I tried to change, it's wouldn't connect | Sep 13 22:52 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I would have rather shipped some QT 3 libraries to support Konversation 3.x than bundle Quassel | Sep 13 22:52 |
trmanco | then when I tried to close it it crashed | Sep 13 22:52 |
DaemonFC | if I was distributing a KDE-based system | Sep 13 22:52 |
DaemonFC | there's still a few things that need QT 3 anyway | Sep 13 22:53 |
schestowitz | trmanco: go local, legally. | Sep 13 22:53 |
schestowitz | http://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/ | Sep 13 22:53 |
DaemonFC | not many left, but most users will end up with the libraries | Sep 13 22:53 |
trmanco | ah | Sep 13 22:53 |
trmanco | working again | Sep 13 22:54 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft is preparing a huge Windows 7 marketing campaign. We don't know yet know what it will be like, but three concept videos are giving us a big hint. " | Sep 13 22:54 |
trmanco | internet is better, I get to hear real time dj's and stuff | Sep 13 22:54 |
schestowitz | Prepare for the Slog | Sep 13 22:54 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I fiddled with another setting and got the sound system working smoothly | Sep 13 22:54 |
schestowitz | Many Microsoft SHILLS in many forums | Sep 13 22:54 |
schestowitz | It's not illegal for Microsoft to do this | Sep 13 22:54 |
DaemonFC | it was emulate something or other | Sep 13 22:54 |
DaemonFC | in my asound.conf | Sep 13 22:54 |
schestowitz | Many complaints to FTC in order... | Sep 13 22:54 |
DaemonFC | I better back up this configuration just so I don't have to remember what I did later | Sep 13 22:55 |
schestowitz | Week in Microsoft: trolling other OSes for fun and profit! < http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/week-in-microsoft-trolling-other-oses-for-fun-and-profit.ars > | Sep 13 22:55 |
DaemonFC | Fancast doesn't work on Konqueror | Sep 13 22:55 |
schestowitz | trmanco: lots and LOTS of trolling in COLA | Sep 13 22:55 |
DaemonFC | not surprising since it's just a front for Hulu | Sep 13 22:55 |
schestowitz | Wait and watch | Sep 13 22:55 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 will bomb | Sep 13 22:55 |
schestowitz | And they need to make it seem otherwise | Sep 13 22:56 |
schestowitz | Slog | Sep 13 22:56 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Just got my Freenode cloak WHOOHOO!! | Sep 13 22:56 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm still hoping they manage to port the entire KDE desktop to Windows | Sep 13 22:56 |
trmanco | lol | Sep 13 22:56 |
trmanco | I have a "cloak" of my own :-P | Sep 13 22:56 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: "unaffiliated" | Sep 13 22:56 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC the comcaster wants to go faster | Sep 13 22:56 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: yep | Sep 13 22:56 |
DaemonFC | it's one of those things where maybe people see it's good and decide to try it on Linux next | Sep 13 22:56 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: no point in doing that | Sep 13 22:57 |
schestowitz | Maybe later | Sep 13 22:57 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Marketing | Sep 13 22:57 |
schestowitz | They put it on the backburners | Sep 13 22:57 |
schestowitz | Meh | Sep 13 22:57 |
schestowitz | For Vista/Vista7 | Sep 13 22:57 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft does enough negative marketing, why can't the free software guys fight Microsoft back on their own turf? | Sep 13 22:57 |
DaemonFC | and maybe that does mean caring how free software works on Windows | Sep 13 22:57 |
ThistleWeb | I have another project which I have a different account for, and I'll need a cloak for that too. I dont care what the cloak is, as long as it hides my IP from the channels | Sep 13 22:57 |
_Hicham_ | u start the fight DaemonFC | Sep 13 22:57 |
trmanco | schestowitz: yeah, bad stream crashed amarok | Sep 13 22:58 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 13 22:58 |
DaemonFC | if it works poorly on Windows, people may assume it works bad everywhere | Sep 13 22:58 |
trmanco | offline stream :| | Sep 13 22:58 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_: Firefox did get a lot of people interested in open source software | Sep 13 22:58 |
DaemonFC | and led to quite a few Linux migrations I'm sure | Sep 13 22:58 |
DaemonFC | not what it was there to do, but it did it | Sep 13 22:59 |
DaemonFC | if Linux use can go up a couple points due to a functional KDE on Windows, it's a good thing for everyone | Sep 13 22:59 |
schestowitz | Xsigo sells out to Microsoft, too | Sep 13 22:59 |
DaemonFC | Linux LiveCDs really just don't cut it | Sep 13 23:00 |
DaemonFC | slow, lacking hardware support that thigns like Nvidia drivers can provide, etc. | Sep 13 23:00 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: lack of focus | Sep 13 23:00 |
schestowitz | Linux can do fine w/o Firefox | Sep 13 23:00 |
DaemonFC | if people got to demo it in working order, I think more people would install it | Sep 13 23:00 |
schestowitz | It has other browsers | Sep 13 23:00 |
_Hicham_ | Mandriva One contains non-free stuff | Sep 13 23:00 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: It can | Sep 13 23:01 |
_Hicham_ | what do u want more ? | Sep 13 23:01 |
schestowitz | But we need KDE focused not on WIndows newbies] | Sep 13 23:01 |
schestowitz | The Ardour guy explains it well | Sep 13 23:01 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I didn't say make it some kind of Windows-centric thing | Sep 13 23:01 |
schestowitz | listen to http://www.twit.tv/floss86 | Sep 13 23:01 |
DaemonFC | I jsut mean a proper port | Sep 13 23:01 |
schestowitz | Towards the end he mentions the Bryce experience of Inkscape | Sep 13 23:01 |
schestowitz | Porting to WIndows->community curse | Sep 13 23:01 |
DaemonFC | how is that? | Sep 13 23:02 |
schestowitz | Listen to it | Sep 13 23:02 |
DaemonFC | a program working on Windows doesn't mean it can't work just as well on Linux as if they hadn't ported it | Sep 13 23:02 |
DaemonFC | even the FSF makes Windows ports of lots of things | Sep 13 23:02 |
DaemonFC | people that promote hoarding of free software are just as bad as people defending proprietary software companies hoarding programs | Sep 13 23:03 |
DaemonFC | I can understand the concern about turning a program into some kind of value added tack-on utility for Windows | Sep 13 23:04 |
MinceR | afaik it's legal to include the nvidia proprietary installer on a livecd, so someone should do that | Sep 13 23:04 |
DaemonFC | but the point is that you expose how badly one piece of Windows was working, and how well the alternative turned out | Sep 13 23:04 |
MinceR | and have it install on bootup | Sep 13 23:04 |
DaemonFC | it gets the gears turning | Sep 13 23:04 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Nvidia's license does permit redistribution | Sep 13 23:04 |
DaemonFC | including installing it by default | Sep 13 23:04 |
DaemonFC | and repackaging it in a means appropriate to install on a distribution | Sep 13 23:05 |
DaemonFC | their installer is hell on wheels anyway | Sep 13 23:05 |
DaemonFC | you really don't want to use that if you can avoid it | Sep 13 23:05 |
DaemonFC | use what your distribution provides unless you can't get it working | Sep 13 23:06 |
MinceR | then it should be included in livecd-s/livedvd-s | Sep 13 23:06 |
MinceR | (obviously on ones that include nonfree sw anyway) | Sep 13 23:06 |
DaemonFC | but it's not, because working hardware would piss off people that don't even own that hardware | Sep 13 23:07 |
schestowitz | Google's mystery UFO doodle finally explained < http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10345951-71.html > | Sep 13 23:07 |
DaemonFC | I think a lot of that is just petty crap | Sep 13 23:07 |
DaemonFC | telling me I can't use hardware I bought | Sep 13 23:07 |
DaemonFC | the module isn't even loaded unless you have an Nvidia card, so where is the controversy? | Sep 13 23:08 |
MinceR | gn | Sep 13 23:08 |
trmanco | gn | Sep 13 23:08 |
DaemonFC | practically, you either have the card or you have the 10 megs or so for the driver taken on your hard disk | Sep 13 23:08 |
DaemonFC | so the benefits of shipping with it are pretty clear | Sep 13 23:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Australia overtakes US as biggest polluter: report: http://is.gd/3eDF3 | Sep 13 23:09 | |
schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125233535476990361.html | Sep 13 23:09 |
schestowitz | Another bit of Microsoft poison on the loose? | Sep 13 23:09 |
DaemonFC | but at least Ubuntu does test the version of the driver they ship | Sep 13 23:09 |
DaemonFC | make sure it won't do anything bad | Sep 13 23:09 |
DaemonFC | I may just use Konqueror and keep Opera around for those oddball sites | Sep 13 23:11 |
DaemonFC | I do like how Konqueror views FTP sites and MP3 folders and such | Sep 13 23:11 |
DaemonFC | that's really cool actually | Sep 13 23:12 |
schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=2 | Sep 13 23:12 |
schestowitz | "[PJ: Mary Jo Foley clearly says on the audio, near the end, that she "found out" that Microsoft already has a patch to remove customXML, ready to launch now. Did Microsoft not just get a stay of the injunction by saying in the emergency motion for a stay that they couldn't possibly fix it in time? And didn't the lower court say he thought they had this patch capability?]" | Sep 13 23:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: WSJ is a mouthpiece for Republicans and Microsoft | Sep 13 23:12 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: old feature | Sep 13 23:12 |
DaemonFC | don't trust anything they say | Sep 13 23:12 |
schestowitz | Since early 3.0/1 | Sep 13 23:12 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Sep 13 23:12 |
schestowitz | Or maybe 2.x | Sep 13 23:12 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror does some things very well | Sep 13 23:12 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I never trust WSJ | Sep 13 23:12 |
schestowitz | Murdoch and Big Business | Sep 13 23:12 |
schestowitz | Same with Business Week | Sep 13 23:13 |
schestowitz | To a great extent NYT too... the 'trend-setting' media | Sep 13 23:13 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Trend setting in the over-40 demographic | Sep 13 23:13 |
DaemonFC | the people that still buy newspapers | Sep 13 23:13 |
DaemonFC | newspapers are already fucked, but in 10-15 years, they won't exist anymore really | Sep 13 23:14 |
DaemonFC | maybe a few of the really really big ones | Sep 13 23:14 |
DaemonFC | if they don't allow themselves to become partisan and biased like Fox News | Sep 13 23:14 |
schestowitz | EFF: National Coalition of Authors Urge Rejection of Google Book Search Deal < http://lwn.net/Articles/351481/ > | Sep 13 23:14 |
schestowitz | Them too? | Sep 13 23:14 |
schestowitz | Fox can eb funded | Sep 13 23:15 |
schestowitz | Not by readers | Sep 13 23:15 |
schestowitz | More like how 'candidates' are funded | Sep 13 23:15 |
schestowitz | to serve agenda | Sep 13 23:15 |
DaemonFC | yeah, as their subscriber base dwindles, they're being paid by big businesses and political parties | Sep 13 23:15 |
schestowitz | "Selling privileged audience" | Sep 13 23:15 |
DaemonFC | to write advertisements posing as news | Sep 13 23:16 |
schestowitz | That already happens | Sep 13 23:16 |
schestowitz | It's why I mostly read blogs I trust | Sep 13 23:16 |
schestowitz | RMS suggests likewise | Sep 13 23:16 |
DaemonFC | that is pissing off even more of their subscribers into cancelling | Sep 13 23:16 |
schestowitz | You know RMS... that man whom you admire :-p | Sep 13 23:16 |
DaemonFC | in some ways | Sep 13 23:16 |
DaemonFC | a very polarizing figure | Sep 13 23:16 |
schestowitz | Ghostwriting from ad agencies | Sep 13 23:16 |
schestowitz | See Microsoft+W-E+Ogara for example | Sep 13 23:17 |
schestowitz | They 'feed' stories | Sep 13 23:17 |
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schestowitz | They fed an attack on OSDL (Linux) | Sep 13 23:17 |
DaemonFC | RMS is not always wrong | Sep 13 23:17 |
DaemonFC | but he's not always right either | Sep 13 23:17 |
DaemonFC | I think he's dead on about DRM for example | Sep 13 23:17 |
schestowitz | I disagree with RMS on things | Sep 13 23:17 |
DaemonFC | but boycotting Caterpiller is just insane | Sep 13 23:17 |
schestowitz | [H]omer does too | Sep 13 23:17 |
schestowitz | It would be odd and dangerous to agree blindly on things | Sep 13 23:17 |
schestowitz | Asay I disagree with A LOT | Sep 13 23:18 |
trmanco | Caterpillar? | Sep 13 23:18 |
DaemonFC | there are those who do | Sep 13 23:18 |
schestowitz | But he's not an enemy of our cause | Sep 13 23:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: he pisses off many people | Sep 13 23:18 |
schestowitz | Politcal stuff mostly | Sep 13 23:18 |
DaemonFC | trmanco: He suggested a boycott of Caterpillar because the Israeli government buys them | Sep 13 23:18 |
DaemonFC | and then knocks over houses with them | Sep 13 23:18 |
schestowitz | It's a good thing few people read him (politcal) blog | Sep 13 23:18 |
DaemonFC | what the hell does RMS want? | Sep 13 23:18 |
DaemonFC | does he want them to use rocket launchers isntead? | Sep 13 23:18 |
DaemonFC | I mean fuck, you know? | Sep 13 23:18 |
trmanco | you are talking about the bulldozer company | Sep 13 23:18 |
trmanco | ? | Sep 13 23:18 |
DaemonFC | there's plenty of decent hard working people like my dad | Sep 13 23:18 |
DaemonFC | who worked at Caterpillar | Sep 13 23:19 |
schestowitz | He wants the settlers to leave | Sep 13 23:19 |
DaemonFC | laid off this year | Sep 13 23:19 |
schestowitz | They are paid to grab land | Sep 13 23:19 |
DaemonFC | 57 years old and still trying to find a job | Sep 13 23:19 |
schestowitz | They should quit that whole "god gave us this land" nonsense | Sep 13 23:19 |
DaemonFC | and I know not enough people listen to RMS to make a difference with Caterpillar | Sep 13 23:19 |
schestowitz | better to live side by side by reprecting one another | Sep 13 23:19 |
DaemonFC | but it's like pouring salt in the wound to hear him prattle on about it | Sep 13 23:19 |
DaemonFC | and he can be damned glad he diudn't say it to my face | Sep 13 23:19 |
schestowitz | Neither side does well, but demolishion is a waste | Sep 13 23:20 |
schestowitz | Caterpillar builds stuff to BREAK stuff | Sep 13 23:20 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Demolition is sometimes necessary | Sep 13 23:20 |
DaemonFC | heavy machinery is needed | Sep 13 23:20 |
DaemonFC | and they can sell it to whoever they damned well please | Sep 13 23:20 |
DaemonFC | and if they didn't, the Israelis would be knocking down houses by some other means | Sep 13 23:20 |
DaemonFC | so RMS can jsut go screw himself on thise one | Sep 13 23:21 |
DaemonFC | I'm not saying I agree with the Israeli government, this is not a political matter | Sep 13 23:21 |
DaemonFC | RMS should see his way out | Sep 13 23:21 |
DaemonFC | it would be like me blaming the company that makes butcher knives for women stabbing their husbands with them | Sep 13 23:22 |
DaemonFC | it's just so damned insane it's not even in this universe | Sep 13 23:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/multimedia/ero/index.html | Sep 13 23:22 |
DaemonFC | anyway, dinner time | Sep 13 23:22 |
DaemonFC | bbl | Sep 13 23:23 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] A 30,000 Line Patch For Mesa Brings Geometry Shaders: http://is.gd/3eFgZ | Sep 13 23:25 | |
schestowitz | Immunity for Web Site Owners < http://www.law.com/flat/ltn/1202433660830.html > | Sep 13 23:25 |
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schestowitz | zoobab: http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2009/09/intellectual-ventures-possible-lawsuits.html#more | Sep 13 23:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.law.com/newswire/cache/1202433754172.html | Sep 13 23:36 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Might take a look at Mint Xfce.... | Sep 13 23:39 | |
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