-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #BestBuy+ #OfficeDepot #Indoctrination #Collusion Leads to Big Backlash http://linusearch.com/wordpress/?p=455 #gnu #linux | Sep 14 00:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Economist Covers #Google 's #Linux -based Operating System http://bit.ly/K9qlW | Sep 14 00:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Huntington #Indiana public #library Needs #GNU #Linux Redemption http://bit.ly/IbtdK | Sep 14 00:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Economist Covers Google's Linux-based Operating System http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14437676 | Sep 14 00:04 | |
schestowitz | twitter api lag | Sep 14 00:04 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux as a Suitable Desktop Platform for Enterprises http://bit.ly/atIl1 I recommend #kde | Sep 14 00:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Excellent #Graphics Work Enters #Linux #Kernel Space http://bit.ly/3ExWFb | Sep 14 00:17 | |
trmanco | yes | Sep 14 00:22 |
trmanco | it's been like that all afternoon | Sep 14 00:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LXDE Adds a Wastebasket http://bit.ly/1GxV6M | Sep 14 00:23 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Goodies from Across the Web, More New #Developers http://bit.ly/8MRlH http://bit.ly/fvxVY http://bit.ly/nAXeU http://bit.ly/TUree | Sep 14 00:26 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another GNU/Linux Distribution Goes with #KDE 4.3.1 http://bit.ly/D05VA | Sep 14 00:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Distribution Comes from the Philippines: #KahelOS http://bit.ly/11ptxR | Sep 14 00:33 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: I keep thinking the software's broken | Sep 14 00:34 |
schestowitz | I'll get some sleep | Sep 14 00:34 |
schestowitz | It ought to be better later | Sep 14 00:34 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 14 00:34 |
trmanco | gn | Sep 14 00:41 |
schestowitz | I'll give it another go | Sep 14 00:41 |
trmanco | it's been like that for a while | Sep 14 00:41 |
trmanco | maybe it will only get fixed later | Sep 14 00:41 |
trmanco | on monday :-P | Sep 14 00:42 |
schestowitz | identica had issues last night | Sep 14 00:42 |
schestowitz | I keep blaming kde widgets for what I don't realise are service issues (remote) | Sep 14 00:42 |
trmanco | I don't use the widget | Sep 14 00:42 |
trmanco | try choqok | Sep 14 00:42 |
trmanco | the name is weird, but the software is really good | Sep 14 00:43 |
*trmanco is out | Sep 14 00:43 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Takes on the Channel and #LatinAmerica http://itchannelplanet.com/channel/article.php/3838631/ | Sep 14 00:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Runs on the #PS3 , Runs #Games http://bit.ly/3Pd7cQ | Sep 14 00:47 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Alan Turing apologises for Gordon Brown http://notnews.today.com/?p=642 | Sep 14 00:48 | |
ThistleWeb | the name choquk is only weird if you're not trying to clear some flem at the time, otherwise it sounds perfectly fine. Seems to me they added an additional layer of functionality for those with colds | Sep 14 00:48 |
ThistleWeb | choqok* | Sep 14 00:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Portable A/V #Devices to Run #Linux http://bit.ly/MAnHe | Sep 14 00:49 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm Strikes Back with #Linux, #Android Grows Dominance http://bit.ly/1XMjlm http://bit.ly/ehRwB | Sep 14 00:52 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Overview /Review of #EasyPeasy ( #eeeUbuntu ) http://bit.ly/Ha7tG | Sep 14 00:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia to Permit #Phone Diversity on the #Linux Platform, Unlike #Symbian http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/11/nokia.says.no.c ... | Sep 14 00:55 | |
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cubezzz | did Ballmer testify in the Vista case? | Sep 14 01:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why does Microsoft have its name only printed in a tiny font at the bottom of www.codeplex.com is it ashamed? #microsoft #codeplex #foss | Sep 14 01:15 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] lol from Microsoft's code of conduct on the Codeplex site...one of its rules is "Play Nice" how ironic. (IMO) #microsoft | Sep 14 01:16 | |
zlg | and twice in the very first line of text on the site | Sep 14 01:16 |
_goblin | yes, but I was meaning as a logo of sorts... | Sep 14 01:17 |
_goblin | wheres the flashy "proud" Microsoft logo? | Sep 14 01:17 |
_goblin | just (C) 2006 - 2009 Microsoft | Sep 14 01:17 |
zlg | 3 times, I guess they are not advertising MS as much, | Sep 14 01:17 |
cubezzz | btw when someone gets a "windows refund" how big of a refund do they get? | Sep 14 01:18 |
_goblin | zlg: I think they finally understand how little good feeling there is towards them. | Sep 14 01:18 |
_goblin | zlg: or maybe they hope you won't know Codeplex is a Microsoft baby.. | Sep 14 01:18 |
zlg | Their terms of use do not tie you to any specific license, like the GPL they rely purely on copyright. | Sep 14 01:20 |
M$'s idea of play nice is, "What's ours is ours and what's yours is ours. (c)" | Sep 14 01:21 | |
_goblin | zlg: I was making fun of the fact that even the mainstream press say that Microsoft does not play nicely with others.....I was pointing out the irony. | Sep 14 01:21 |
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cubezzz | hmmm, coreboot on the cover of linux journal magazine | Sep 14 01:45 |
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DaemonFC | Telling Gmail that Konqueror is IE or Firefox gets you a busted page | Sep 14 03:29 |
DaemonFC | telling it Konqueror is Opera gets you one that works | Sep 14 03:29 |
DaemonFC | Telling it Konqueror is Konqueror gets you basic HTML | Sep 14 03:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Smile for the FireStatus screenshots http://tinyurl.com/qbnapo | Sep 14 03:35 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Where does the Ethipian Review get their writers? | Sep 14 03:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] sorry, last post included a link to the back end of my blog by accident | Sep 14 04:07 | |
_Hicham_ | try telling Gmail that it is DaemonFC-Browser and see | Sep 14 04:17 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_: I should set it to tell Comcast that it's the world-famous "Blow Me" browser | Sep 14 04:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - FireStatus – Great But WTF? http://tinyurl.com/o6bsnr | Sep 14 04:22 | |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : so u r testing KDE ? | Sep 14 04:26 |
zlg | no, he's onto KFC now. :) | Sep 14 04:29 |
_Hicham_ | and maybe Frys | Sep 14 04:40 |
*DaemonFC smacks _Hicham_ around a bit with Theo de Raadt | Sep 14 04:41 | |
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_Hicham_ | DaemonFC : is there Konqueror with a Gecko backend ? | Sep 14 04:45 |
DaemonFC | _Hicham_: No | Sep 14 05:00 |
DaemonFC | There's a Webkit KPart though | Sep 14 05:00 |
DaemonFC | that's not really complete/stable though | Sep 14 05:01 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well | Sep 14 05:01 |
Diablo-D3 | whats stupid is konq wont switch to webkit altogether | Sep 14 05:01 |
Diablo-D3 | since webkit is a fork of khtml to begin with | Sep 14 05:01 |
DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: I assume they will eventually | Sep 14 05:01 |
Diablo-D3 | fucking politics | Sep 14 05:01 |
Diablo-D3 | probably not | Sep 14 05:01 |
Diablo-D3 | kde is a dying project | Sep 14 05:01 |
DaemonFC | no it isn't | Sep 14 05:01 |
DaemonFC | they're gaining active developers faster than Linux itself | Sep 14 05:02 |
DaemonFC | GNOME is farily primitive in comparison to KDE 4.3 | Sep 14 05:02 |
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DaemonFC | it's going to take them a lot to slap together a "GNOME 3.0" that's better | Sep 14 05:02 |
DaemonFC | I doubt they'll do it | Sep 14 05:03 |
DaemonFC | GNOME 3 will probably be GNOME 2 sprayed liberally with new car smell | Sep 14 05:03 |
DaemonFC | I'm really not impressed with GNOME over the last 3 years/10 releases | Sep 14 05:04 |
DaemonFC | it's barely changed at all | Sep 14 05:04 |
Diablo-D3 | yes, and look at kde | Sep 14 05:04 |
Diablo-D3 | its rapidly getting shittier | Sep 14 05:04 |
DaemonFC | still looks like it belongs in 1995 | Sep 14 05:04 |
DaemonFC | How is that? | Sep 14 05:05 |
DaemonFC | GNOME is busy dumbing down anything they can get ahold of | Sep 14 05:05 |
Diablo-D3 | all eye candy, no usability | Sep 14 05:05 |
DaemonFC | adding Mono | Sep 14 05:05 |
Diablo-D3 | kde is now the vista of linux | Sep 14 05:05 |
DaemonFC | and strangling your system with code bloat | Sep 14 05:05 |
Diablo-D3 | ugly as fuck, no way to fix it, and it uses a shitload of memory | Sep 14 05:05 |
DaemonFC | My system is using about as much memory as it was wit hGNOME | Sep 14 05:06 |
DaemonFC | it just works better | Sep 14 05:06 |
DaemonFC | GNOME assumes that everyone that walks up to the computer is an idiot | Sep 14 05:07 |
Diablo-D3 | they arent? | Sep 14 05:07 |
DaemonFC | over the last 3 years, most of their work has been to damage existing features | Sep 14 05:07 |
Diablo-D3 | the desktop environment is not the destination | Sep 14 05:07 |
Diablo-D3 | it should be as minimal and as easy to use as possible | Sep 14 05:08 |
DaemonFC | I booted up an old hard drive with Ubuntu 6.10 on it | Sep 14 05:08 |
DaemonFC | and noticed I liked GNOME 2.18 better than GNOME 2.28 | Sep 14 05:08 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC the retarded | Sep 14 05:24 |
_Hicham_ | GNOME has good integration features | Sep 14 05:25 |
DaemonFC | Failure is not an option, it's integrated into every copy | Sep 14 05:26 |
_Hicham_ | what do u like about GNOME 2.18 ? | Sep 14 05:27 |
ThistleWeb | there's a difference between assuming everyone is an idiot, and assuming that most people don't care about the nuts and bolts of their PC, and just want to use it, so decent defaults work just fine | Sep 14 05:28 |
ThistleWeb | people like us have PC stuff as a hobby / job so we want to / need to know and be able to get into it | Sep 14 05:29 |
ThistleWeb | we are not most users | Sep 14 05:29 |
ThistleWeb | if you treat us as the default it will fail to gather any mainstream users who will benefit from it | Sep 14 05:30 |
_Hicham_ | plus, there is a lot of gconf front ends | Sep 14 05:30 |
_Hicham_ | if u are talking about tweaking | Sep 14 05:30 |
_Hicham_ | most settings stuff is in gconf | Sep 14 05:31 |
DaemonFC | http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/staging-status-09-2009.html | Sep 14 05:31 |
DaemonFC | "heci A wonderful example of a company throwing code over the wall, watching it get rejected, and then running away as fast as possible, all the while yelling over their shoulder, "it's required on all new systems, you will love it!" We don't, it sucks, either fix it up, or I am removing it." | Sep 14 05:32 |
DaemonFC | lmao | Sep 14 05:32 |
ThistleWeb | that's where apple excel, they have a whole workflow thought through and make it easy and integrated to do stuff.....as long as you go their way, with their revenue stream stuff | Sep 14 05:32 |
ThistleWeb | any linux DE, WM or distro who follows that principle, but leave more flexability for the user in terms of services etc is a good thing | Sep 14 05:33 |
ThistleWeb | the beauty of FOSS is choice, if you feel that Gnome thinks you're an idiot and you disagree, you can choose not to use it | Sep 14 05:36 |
ThistleWeb | although in this particular case, maybe Gnome knows you better than you'd like to admit | Sep 14 05:36 |
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_Hicham_ | the best thing DaemonFC knows to do is whine | Sep 14 05:40 |
_Hicham_ | over and over again | Sep 14 05:40 |
_Hicham_ | his favorite whining subjects | Sep 14 05:40 |
_Hicham_ | GNU is not Linux | Sep 14 05:41 |
_Hicham_ | Linux is a clone of Unix | Sep 14 05:41 |
_Hicham_ | never trolled about anything else | Sep 14 05:41 |
Diablo-D3 | dude | Sep 14 05:41 |
Diablo-D3 | if linux was a clone of unix | Sep 14 05:41 |
Diablo-D3 | I'd probably hate solaris less by now =/ | Sep 14 05:41 |
ThistleWeb | inbetween bouts of encoding tourettes | Sep 14 05:41 |
ThistleWeb | oh, anyone been watching the SELF videos? | Sep 14 05:42 |
_Hicham_ | that is what DaemonFC keep saying | Sep 14 05:42 |
*Diablo-D3 is in a hate linux mood atm | Sep 14 05:42 | |
_Hicham_ | one of his favorite subjects when he is out of his pills | Sep 14 05:42 |
Diablo-D3 | BFS exposes what is apparently a bad fglrx bug | Sep 14 05:42 |
twitter1 | I missed this mega troll -> DaemonFC: if it works poorly on Windows, people may assume it works bad everywhere | Sep 14 05:42 |
Diablo-D3 | and radeonhd doesnt do 3D acceleration on my card yet | Sep 14 05:42 |
_Hicham_ | what are u using Diablo-D3 ? | Sep 14 05:43 |
twitter1 | had the nerve to mention FF then dogged on free software for not "supporting" crap hardware from malicious makers. | Sep 14 05:43 |
ThistleWeb | there's one with an employee from SUN, on virtualbox and java development. He used open solaris as his demo platform, that was the first I'd seen it | Sep 14 05:43 |
ThistleWeb | cant remember his name now | Sep 14 05:44 |
Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: fglrx | Sep 14 05:44 |
twitter1 | People with working brains see a pattern. When everything works poorly on Windows, they start to think Windows sucks. | Sep 14 05:44 |
ThistleWeb | there was another from Zonker, the open suse community manager, which despite my feelings for novell, I liked him | Sep 14 05:44 |
Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: oh, you mean which card? a radeon 4850 | Sep 14 05:44 |
_Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : radeon driver doesn't support it ? | Sep 14 05:45 |
cubezzz | I saw a lot of hardware not work on windows 2K that worked on previous versions of doze | Sep 14 05:45 |
Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: 2D only. | Sep 14 05:45 |
twitter1 | As a rule, free software does work better even on Windows. FireFox is a great example of that, as was Netscape before it. | Sep 14 05:45 |
Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: which, btw, is REALLY FUCKING FAST 2D. | Sep 14 05:45 |
cubezzz | but really at the core of things, the hardware manufacturers have to give out programming docs | Sep 14 05:45 |
DaemonFC | Firefox is practically a Windows program with a Linux port | Sep 14 05:45 |
_Hicham_ | on whis distro are u using BFS ? | Sep 14 05:45 |
twitter1 | good development, software and hard work won't keep M$ from breaking things for you, so it's lots of extra work for nothing. | Sep 14 05:45 |
cubezzz | if they don't, then it's reverse-engineering time | Sep 14 05:45 |
DaemonFC | Debian's mass cleanup alone proved that | Sep 14 05:45 |
Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: debian, but obviously Im rolling my own kernel | Sep 14 05:46 |
twitter1 | Beyond one or two showcase applications like FF, porting to Windows is a waste of time. | Sep 14 05:46 |
_Hicham_ | I agree with twitter1 | Sep 14 05:47 |
_Hicham_ | never port to Windows | Sep 14 05:47 |
zlg | except almost all FOSS is ported to MS. | Sep 14 05:47 |
_Hicham_ | yes | Sep 14 05:47 |
zlg | as it should be, | Sep 14 05:47 |
twitter1 | It can be, but it happens less and less. | Sep 14 05:47 |
twitter1 | It's better to spend the effort making free software better on it's own. Free software users don't go back to Windows. | Sep 14 05:48 |
twitter1 | and they should not. | Sep 14 05:48 |
_Hicham_ | porting takes about 6 months | Sep 14 05:48 |
cubezzz | yeah, that's like going from more freedom to less freedom | Sep 14 05:48 |
twitter1 | free software has better desktops now. | Sep 14 05:48 |
_Hicham_ | In free software world, there is a lot of choice | Sep 14 05:48 |
_Hicham_ | who doesn't like choice ? | Sep 14 05:49 |
zlg | I see it going from less freedom (foss only) to more freedom (foss or MS), that is more Freedom IMO. | Sep 14 05:49 |
twitter1 | If you are careful about your hardware up front, your performance will be better with free software too. | Sep 14 05:49 |
twitter1 | zlg, you are free to sleep on a bed of nails in prison if you want. | Sep 14 05:50 |
cubezzz | with a concrete block on top | Sep 14 05:50 |
cubezzz | j/k | Sep 14 05:50 |
zlg | thats right, you are. and you are not free to tell me otherwise | Sep 14 05:50 |
twitter1 | the freedom to chose slavery is not much of a win for freedom. | Sep 14 05:50 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: You should make a Twitter GPL | Sep 14 05:50 |
DaemonFC | "You can modify this code, it's here to respect your freedom, but you can't use it on Windows" | Sep 14 05:51 |
cubezzz | well who's going to stop you? no one | Sep 14 05:51 |
twitter1 | I would not tell people that. | Sep 14 05:51 |
DaemonFC | that's not a contradiction is it? | Sep 14 05:51 |
zlg | thats samantics, so you really mean "your freedom" to dictate your requirements onto others. | Sep 14 05:51 |
twitter1 | I will tell them it's a waste of time. | Sep 14 05:51 |
_Hicham_ | yes, that would be a great license | Sep 14 05:51 |
cubezzz | you have the source code, you have the choice | Sep 14 05:51 |
_Hicham_ | linking against proprietary libs forbidden | Sep 14 05:51 |
twitter1 | but I don't really have to tell people that, it's obvious | Sep 14 05:52 |
DaemonFC | so if a KDE developer or three wants to make a KDE for Windows | Sep 14 05:52 |
DaemonFC | it's their time and effort | Sep 14 05:52 |
DaemonFC | not yours | Sep 14 05:52 |
DaemonFC | so shut up | Sep 14 05:52 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 14 05:52 |
twitter1 | I don't think much time or effort will be wasted in the end. | Sep 14 05:52 |
*DaemonFC waits for the twitter1 patch flow into the free software effort | Sep 14 05:53 | |
*_Hicham_ thinks DaemonFC is looking for a troll subject | Sep 14 05:53 | |
DaemonFC | any time now | Sep 14 05:53 |
twitter1 | Despite tireless promotion by trolls, KDE for Windows is not going to draw a lot of effort. | Sep 14 05:53 |
DaemonFC | twitter1 is a textbook armchair Nazi | Sep 14 05:53 |
DaemonFC | rooting from the bleachers | Sep 14 05:53 |
DaemonFC | and booing from the bleachers too | Sep 14 05:53 |
twitter1 | DaemonFC is trying to win friends and influence people. | Sep 14 05:54 |
DaemonFC | Linux and free software in general need more vicious trolls like twitter1 | Sep 14 05:54 |
DaemonFC | to scare all the fish away | Sep 14 05:54 |
DaemonFC | you know | Sep 14 05:54 |
_Hicham_ | DaemonFC will never win a friend | Sep 14 05:54 |
*twitter1 ignores mega troll DaemonFC again | Sep 14 05:54 | |
_Hicham_ | he doesn't like anybody | Sep 14 05:54 |
_Hicham_ | he doesn't even like himself | Sep 14 05:54 |
Eruaran | If KDE on Windows helps to expose KDE applications to Windows users, this is a good thing. For many people, the unfamiliarity of software on GNU/Linux is a major hurdle. | Sep 14 05:54 |
twitter1 | Ubuntu and Mepis are better exposures. | Sep 14 05:55 |
*DaemonFC exposes twitter1 to gamma radiation | Sep 14 05:55 | |
DaemonFC | how's that for exposure? | Sep 14 05:55 |
zlg | as long as their KDE for windows works, I tried it and every time it crashed, still does, people look at that and ask is this what FOSS is ? | Sep 14 05:55 |
twitter1 | Young people are not afraid of free software and are getting off of Windows. | Sep 14 05:55 |
twitter1 | Windows does not work for them, or anyone else. | Sep 14 05:56 |
Eruaran | It can be overwhelming for some people. | Sep 14 05:56 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: Must be why everyone I know asks me what Linux is | Sep 14 05:56 |
DaemonFC | and why they should give a shit | Sep 14 05:56 |
DaemonFC | because it's so popular | Sep 14 05:56 |
DaemonFC | face it, most people don't know what it is because it's not widespread and not heavily advertised | Sep 14 05:57 |
twitter1 | Windows is overwhelming. XP is awful on users. Vista is worse and comes with huge changes. It's easier for people to migrate to free software than Vista. | Sep 14 05:57 |
twitter1 | Windows 7 is more of the same | Sep 14 05:57 |
Eruaran | Making it easier for people to change platforms without major upheaval with what applications they use is not a bad thing. | Sep 14 05:58 |
twitter1 | Not even DaemonFC can suffer Vista. | Sep 14 05:58 |
zlg | Twtitter that may be your wish but its really not the case, Vista is very popular and Win7 look even better. | Sep 14 05:58 |
twitter1 | Windows 7 can take up to 20 hours to install. | Sep 14 05:58 |
twitter1 | It's complete upheaval. | Sep 14 05:58 |
zlg | just saying it's crap does not make it so. | Sep 14 05:58 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: Every word you speak is like having to endure Vista for an hour | Sep 14 05:58 |
Eruaran | If you've had someone using Okular and a few other KDE apps for a few months on Windows, and they get spyware and viruses and they're fed up, its not so frightening for them to think of changing platforms when they realise they can still use the same applications. | Sep 14 05:59 |
twitter1 | Vista 7 is an unprecedented disaster for M$. I did not say it, everyone else did. | Sep 14 05:59 |
zlg | Rubbish, I've installed Win 7 lots of time, never takes more than an hour. | Sep 14 05:59 |
Diablo-D3 | last time I installed win 7 it took about a half hour | Sep 14 05:59 |
zlg | like who said it ? | Sep 14 05:59 |
DaemonFC | takes about half an hour on reaqsonable hardware | Sep 14 05:59 |
twitter1 | everyone http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 | Sep 14 05:59 |
DaemonFC | you won't haul out the Pentium 2 from 1998 that was jsut barely dragging along on FluxBox | Sep 14 06:00 |
twitter1 | M$ came up with the install times. Ars reported it. | Sep 14 06:00 |
DaemonFC | but it should work on most systems out there | Sep 14 06:00 |
ThistleWeb | this is sad, considering what Roy and BN are trying to do, anyone popping in to ghost and watch us must be put off by the schoolyard level of conversation and pointless arguments | Sep 14 06:00 |
zlg | you mean you said it on slashdot, ? | Sep 14 06:00 |
Eruaran | What I'm finding with some people is that its not the desktop that's the problem. It doesn't matter if its Gnome or KDE. | Sep 14 06:00 |
twitter1 | Read the log, zlg. All I do is reference other people's writing. | Sep 14 06:00 |
Eruaran | Its the applications. | Sep 14 06:00 |
Eruaran | Some people dive in and love it. | Sep 14 06:00 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: Cherry picking, I believe is the term | Sep 14 06:00 |
*ThistleWeb congratulates the adults for staying above the bickering | Sep 14 06:00 | |
zlg | from slashdot, they are not biased at all im sure LOL | Sep 14 06:01 |
DaemonFC | at least when I bitch about something, I've at least used it | Sep 14 06:01 |
twitter1 | no, I point to everyone. | Sep 14 06:01 |
Eruaran | Some people are completely lost and quickly want to go back to Windows becuase they find all the unfamiliar applications overwhelming. | Sep 14 06:01 |
DaemonFC | and my bitching comes from experience in trying to get it to do something that should be obvious and easy | Sep 14 06:01 |
DaemonFC | but becomes a three hour ordeal | Sep 14 06:01 |
Eruaran | Its not wrong to try and make things easier for the person who finds this transition difficult. | Sep 14 06:01 |
DaemonFC | that's how Linux is without a decent desktop environment like KDE | Sep 14 06:01 |
twitter1 | That's mostly what happened to Vista. That and Vista sucked eggs. | Sep 14 06:01 |
twitter1 | Still does. | Sep 14 06:01 |
DaemonFC | GNOME is getting so backwards that using shell scrips is easier than using GNOME apps | Sep 14 06:01 |
twitter1 | Roy found a Lawyer complaining about it just today. | Sep 14 06:02 |
DaemonFC | *scripts | Sep 14 06:02 |
ThistleWeb | pathetic | Sep 14 06:02 |
twitter1 | It took the poor guy six months to break down and buy laptops with XP on them. | Sep 14 06:02 |
*ThistleWeb is bowing out until the IQ level of the channel raises | Sep 14 06:02 | |
twitter1 | Shame he did not know better than that. | Sep 14 06:02 |
DaemonFC | GNOME is definitely not the desktop you want to expose new users to | Sep 14 06:02 |
DaemonFC | it's more like a practical joke gone horribly awry | Sep 14 06:03 |
zlg | watch out twitter your bias is showing. | Sep 14 06:03 |
twitter1 | it's a consensus opinion. I collected opinions from every major publication. | Sep 14 06:04 |
DaemonFC | I think GNOME set out to see jsut how badly they could fuck up and dumb down a GUI and still have people swearing by it after coming off of Vista | Sep 14 06:04 |
DaemonFC | that's what I think | Sep 14 06:04 |
zlg | ofcourse you did that in a completely balanced and unbiased way, to show both or all sides of the story right ?? (:D) | Sep 14 06:05 |
DaemonFC | I think Canonical should put GNOME on the back burner | Sep 14 06:05 |
wallclimber | Eruaran, some people might feel lost and run back to Windows, but not all. The trick is to help them prepare first. I haven't helped hundreds, but I've helped 25 or 30 people make the transition, and only a couple of them have gone back. Most people are happy with the change. | Sep 14 06:05 |
DaemonFC | and start really pushing KDE | Sep 14 06:05 |
DaemonFC | Shuttleworth mentioned the possibility last year in an interview | Sep 14 06:05 |
twitter1 | Sure. There's lots of ways to show people saying things like this http://xkcd.com/528/ | Sep 14 06:05 |
wallclimber | ThistleWeb, don't leave yet :) | Sep 14 06:06 |
wallclimber | Hi twitter1! | Sep 14 06:06 |
zlg | yes, twitter if you troll the web enough you can find just about anything to support your opinion. | Sep 14 06:06 |
twitter1 | and when people say things like this, " I hate Vista so much I want to cry. Bought a Vaio. The most useless $4k ever spent. It just will not join a sec-enabled network. ... I have nine macs!!!!!! I don't need another fucking mac. I just want ONE ARSING PC that isn't complete SHIT. ... Too late. It's going out the window. I can't put up with this sort of arse." | Sep 14 06:06 |
ThistleWeb | hey wallclimber | Sep 14 06:06 |
twitter1 | I can be fair and balanced. | Sep 14 06:06 |
zlg | can you ?? wow, I would not have guessed | Sep 14 06:07 |
wallclimber | hi! I'm up past my bedtime, trying out my new reading glasses ...lol you're still a little blurry | Sep 14 06:07 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: Vista doesn't want to start up, and when you get it running, it doesn't want to shut down | Sep 14 06:07 |
twitter1 | Sure, I just point to people who said the same things with less passion, like this http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/192990 | Sep 14 06:07 |
DaemonFC | it's like a 15 year old car with 300,000 miles on the clock | Sep 14 06:07 |
ThistleWeb | wallclimber: that's not your glasses, that's me casting a spell over your monitor | Sep 14 06:08 |
DaemonFC | I'm not saying it's great, YOU like putting words in my mouth | Sep 14 06:08 |
DaemonFC | that's what is going on here | Sep 14 06:08 |
twitter1 | just follow the links to all the publications there. | Sep 14 06:08 |
twitter1 | -> In 2007, PC Magazine, PC World, the Atlantic Monthly, ZDNet, the Independent, EWeek, ITWeek, Dvorak, CNet and Network World all agreed with 90% of IT managers in thinking that Vista should be avoided. ExtremeTech wrote Vista's obituary in 2008. This was followed by USA Today and Time, which called Microsoft an "empire in rapid decline". Even Dan Lyons sees, "a gloomy Vista for Microsoft." | Sep 14 06:08 |
wallclimber | so, ThistleWeb, do I need to sacrifice a chicken to break the spell? | Sep 14 06:09 |
DaemonFC | twitter1: It just so happens that the best place to market a cure for Syphilis might be in a free clinic | Sep 14 06:09 |
DaemonFC | jsut that people like you are too stupid to see the obvious | Sep 14 06:09 |
ThistleWeb | nah, but a Hogwarts home owl learning program would come in handy | Sep 14 06:09 |
*ThistleWeb just finished the 7 Harry Potter novels.....again | Sep 14 06:10 | |
wallclimber | I know i have a wand around here somewhere, but i can't see | Sep 14 06:10 |
DaemonFC | that's obviously why Canonical made it so easy to use WUBI and such | Sep 14 06:10 |
*ThistleWeb is still in the kinda HP headspace lol | Sep 14 06:10 | |
wallclimber | (don't tell anyone, but i've read 'em all too... | Sep 14 06:10 |
wallclimber | ) | Sep 14 06:10 |
ThistleWeb | \o/ | Sep 14 06:10 |
wallclimber | DaemonFC, twitter is hardly a troll... | Sep 14 06:11 |
DaemonFC | he's the trolliest troll of Trollville | Sep 14 06:11 |
DaemonFC | what are you talking about? | Sep 14 06:11 |
wallclimber | if twitter's a troll, then i guess we all are | Sep 14 06:11 |
zlg | he does have very toll like tendencies | Sep 14 06:11 |
twitter1 | you are welcome, zlg, to find a single article that's not written by M$ or some kind of Enderle like M$ mouthpiece who will tell you Vista was not a complete turd. | Sep 14 06:11 |
DaemonFC | well, when you don't contribute anything except insulting Windows users and calling them names | Sep 14 06:12 |
DaemonFC | I suppose the world could do with a few less of those types | Sep 14 06:12 |
twitter1 | Perhaps you could make the Vista Success Log. | Sep 14 06:12 |
DaemonFC | and a few more that are willing to be constructive and pragmatic | Sep 14 06:12 |
twitter1 | You can point to the Mojave Project! | Sep 14 06:12 |
ThistleWeb | sometimes people don't realise how much of an idiot they're coming across as because they are too close | Sep 14 06:12 |
DaemonFC | I can point to twitter1 and say that's what happens when you smoke pot during pregnancy | Sep 14 06:13 |
wallclimber | DaemonFC, I've seen you insult and call people names plenty of times | Sep 14 06:13 |
ThistleWeb | too involved in "winning" in front of the audience | Sep 14 06:13 |
DaemonFC | don't get me wrong, he still has things to contribute to the world | Sep 14 06:13 |
twitter1 | With a little Jedi magic, you can convince people that, "GNU/Linux, this is not the OS you are looking for." | Sep 14 06:13 |
zlg | ill tell you it's not a turd, I owned an run an IT and Military Tech services company, I use Vista, and it never gives me a problem, neither did XP neither does Win 7 | Sep 14 06:13 |
wallclimber | he contributes a lot, as far as i can see | Sep 14 06:13 |
twitter1 | thanks, wallclimber | Sep 14 06:13 |
wallclimber | of course i can't see very far in these new glasses, but... | Sep 14 06:13 |
DaemonFC | well, you only have to see as far as the end of your nose | Sep 14 06:14 |
wallclimber | any time, glad to help out | Sep 14 06:14 |
ThistleWeb | sadly, it does not give a good impression to new peeps int he channel, all it does is confirm many suspicions, of children squabling | Sep 14 06:14 |
DaemonFC | isn't that right twitter1? | Sep 14 06:14 |
twitter1 | you must be special zlg | Sep 14 06:14 |
zlg | I am :) | Sep 14 06:14 |
twitter1 | People at West Point say they "minimize" Windows use. | Sep 14 06:14 |
wallclimber | well, when i was a new peep it didn't discourage me, | Sep 14 06:14 |
wallclimber | (it worries me a little that i keep coming back here though :) | Sep 14 06:15 |
DaemonFC | wallclimber: There's people that see the bad apple and throw it into the ignore bin I guess | Sep 14 06:15 |
wallclimber | what bad apple would that be? | Sep 14 06:15 |
ThistleWeb | like anywhere else, if you hang around long enough, you get used to the stench. After a while on a farm you don't notice the smell of bullshit | Sep 14 06:16 |
DaemonFC | if this was medieval European war tactics, I'd suggest loading twitter1 onto a catapult | Sep 14 06:16 |
wallclimber | one also learns to wear appropriate footware | Sep 14 06:16 |
DaemonFC | and flinging him over the fence and into Microsoft headquarters | Sep 14 06:16 |
DaemonFC | jsut like a plague victim | Sep 14 06:16 |
ThistleWeb | wallclimber: yeah, otherwise you better get used to squidgy toes | Sep 14 06:16 |
DaemonFC | twitter1 represent, perfectly, the scourge of the public face of Linux, and more broadly, free software | Sep 14 06:17 |
wallclimber | "squidgy toes" is a great visual...made me laugh | Sep 14 06:17 |
DaemonFC | every bit as annoying, insulting, and condescending as a Mac fanboy | Sep 14 06:17 |
wallclimber | and DaemonFC, are you telling us that you are never " annoying, insulting, and condescending"??? | Sep 14 06:18 |
DaemonFC | no, of course not | Sep 14 06:18 |
wallclimber | lolololol | Sep 14 06:18 |
DaemonFC | don't forget sarcastic | Sep 14 06:18 |
wallclimber | ok, i need better boots | Sep 14 06:18 |
DaemonFC | I love being sarcastic too | Sep 14 06:18 |
wallclimber | to tromp through the stuff DaemonFC's dropping in the barn yard | Sep 14 06:19 |
twitter1 | eh, nothing insulting here -> (09:56:37 PM) DaemonFC: twitter1 is a textbook armchair Nazi | Sep 14 06:20 |
DaemonFC | well, you're an exception | Sep 14 06:20 |
twitter1 | "/ignore DaemonFC" | Sep 14 06:20 |
DaemonFC | you're just a total contemptible asshole with no redeeming qualities whatsoever | Sep 14 06:20 |
DaemonFC | and have never made bones about it | Sep 14 06:20 |
wallclimber | anyway, didn't mean to disrupt the conversation here, just wanted to see what was going on before heading for sleep... | Sep 14 06:20 |
twitter1 | or right click the name on your favorite IRC client and the problem goes away. | Sep 14 06:21 |
DaemonFC | and on some level, I guess I respect that | Sep 14 06:21 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 14 06:21 |
wallclimber | nite everyone | Sep 14 06:21 |
twitter1 | nothing much is going on | Sep 14 06:21 |
twitter1 | sleep well | Sep 14 06:21 |
wallclimber | :) | Sep 14 06:21 |
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ThistleWeb | another way of putting this, is that when peeps walk into a slagging match that's already started, they don't care who started it or who's right, they just see 2 peeps slagging each other and are annoyed by both | Sep 14 06:21 |
zlg | yes, leave him alone, it's not his fault that he thinks that the only way he can get people to do exactly what he wants them to do is to give them no other options. | Sep 14 06:23 |
DaemonFC | he's an RMS clone, a GPL Nazi | Sep 14 06:24 |
DaemonFC | even FreeBSD is in league with Satan | Sep 14 06:24 |
DaemonFC | according to twitter1 | Sep 14 06:25 |
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DaemonFC | nevermind the fact that Apple commandeered plenty of GPL and LGPL'd code | Sep 14 06:25 |
DaemonFC | and the GPL has been used to hoard code from public use | Sep 14 06:25 |
DaemonFC | much more than the BSD license | Sep 14 06:25 |
DaemonFC | the FSF uses the GPL license as an anti-BSD club | Sep 14 06:25 |
twitter1 | So, zlg, you are a Windows user? | Sep 14 06:25 |
twitter1 | and you want free software people to make your life easier because Bill Gates could not? | Sep 14 06:26 |
DaemonFC | the BSDs have done more to free up drivers than Linux | Sep 14 06:26 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: can't you stop trolling? | Sep 14 06:26 |
DaemonFC | Linux is willing to put in binary firmware blobs and sign NDAs | Sep 14 06:26 |
zlg | I dont want free software to do anything for me, | Sep 14 06:27 |
DaemonFC | OpenBSD has worked productively towards convincing manufacturers to open their drivers in many cases | Sep 14 06:27 |
twitter1 | I thought you wanted a port of KDE to Windows. | Sep 14 06:27 |
DaemonFC | where Linux is perfectly content with everything depending on binary blobs | Sep 14 06:27 |
twitter1 | my mistake. Windows is all you need. | Sep 14 06:27 |
zlg | there allready is one. | Sep 14 06:27 |
twitter1 | Are you using it? | Sep 14 06:27 |
zlg | no, | Sep 14 06:27 |
twitter1 | and why are you here? | Sep 14 06:27 |
zlg | and so what if I was, it's free right. | Sep 14 06:27 |
DaemonFC | so OpenBSD more openly displays twitter1's "ideals", yet he continues to make baseless attacks and accusations | Sep 14 06:28 |
DaemonFC | it's a cult of FSF | Sep 14 06:28 |
twitter1 | Well, if you were using the KDE port to Windows, you might have something worth reporting. | Sep 14 06:28 |
zlg | I like quality software, and intelligent discuesion regarding that subject. | Sep 14 06:28 |
zlg | and "this side" of FOSS is interesting. | Sep 14 06:29 |
DaemonFC | well, anyone who attacks BSD in favor of Linux on terms of "freeness" is a hypocrite | Sep 14 06:29 |
cubezzz | I've used vista a few times, didn't like it, too slow | Sep 14 06:29 |
DaemonFC | unless they strip Linux of about half its drivers | Sep 14 06:29 |
twitter1 | If you like quality software and want to have an intelligent discussion, why don't you try using some free software? | Sep 14 06:29 |
cubezzz | windows just gets more and more bloated | Sep 14 06:29 |
zlg | I have, and I do. | Sep 14 06:29 |
twitter1 | Like what? | Sep 14 06:30 |
zlg | ive been using linux for well over 15 years now, | Sep 14 06:30 |
twitter1 | ut oh, this might be another Mutex nym. | Sep 14 06:30 |
DaemonFC | I would take this system over to FreeBSD if the 64-bit version of FreeBSD had Nvidia drivers | Sep 14 06:30 |
cubezzz | so zlg, what version would that be? | Sep 14 06:30 |
DaemonFC | it's not worth losing my nice video card for, but other than that, FreeBSD is a nice system | Sep 14 06:30 |
cubezzz | when you started 15 years ago | Sep 14 06:30 |
DaemonFC | pretty much any package of consequence is in the Ports tree | Sep 14 06:31 |
twitter1 | What distribution do you use for your desktop now? | Sep 14 06:31 |
DaemonFC | it has Wine | Sep 14 06:31 |
zlg | I have all the CD's of them except the 1995 server it think i mostly used RH 7.1 here then. | Sep 14 06:31 |
DaemonFC | and there's the Linuxulator for Linux-only binary-only programs | Sep 14 06:31 |
DaemonFC | so you basically have everything you need anyway | Sep 14 06:32 |
twitter1 | ? | Sep 14 06:32 |
DaemonFC | zlg: What's insane is all the forks | Sep 14 06:33 |
DaemonFC | and forks of forks | Sep 14 06:33 |
cubezzz | 15 years ago would be almost back to Linux 1.0 | Sep 14 06:33 |
DaemonFC | there's very little consistency between two distributions in many cases | Sep 14 06:33 |
zlg | yes, that box was only used as our firewall and web server. | Sep 14 06:34 |
DaemonFC | the obvious solution to the mess is to just use what pretty much everyone else does, which would be *buntu | Sep 14 06:34 |
DaemonFC | developers see that and only release DEB packages | Sep 14 06:34 |
twitter1 | Even RMS used BSD for that kind of stuff 15 years ago. | Sep 14 06:35 |
DaemonFC | sometimes the DEB packages won't even isntall or run on Debian | Sep 14 06:35 |
twitter1 | I think he swapped over to gnu/linux for his personal page about 5 or 10 years ago. | Sep 14 06:35 |
DaemonFC | it's what you ask for when _every_ program and utility is a component maintained elsewhere | Sep 14 06:35 |
twitter1 | So what distribution are you using now and for what? | Sep 14 06:36 |
DaemonFC | FreeBSD is a complere OS in and of itself and doesn't really have the fork problem that Linux does | Sep 14 06:36 |
cubezzz | I didn't hear much about Linux myself until around 1998 | Sep 14 06:36 |
DaemonFC | *complete | Sep 14 06:36 |
cubezzz | or maybe a bit earlier | Sep 14 06:36 |
cubezzz | let me see what CDs I have | Sep 14 06:36 |
DaemonFC | different distributions use different versions of all the core system packages in their Linux distribution | Sep 14 06:37 |
twitter1 | How can you forget your first gnu/linux install? | Sep 14 06:37 |
DaemonFC | some patches are even self-maintained because Linus himself has said hell no | Sep 14 06:37 |
DaemonFC | every distro ends up having different bugs that only affect that distro | Sep 14 06:37 |
zlg | because installing OS's is trivial. | Sep 14 06:37 |
DaemonFC | FreeBSD is kept in sync because it doesn't rely on anyone else for the core system | Sep 14 06:38 |
twitter1 | Who's still using RH 7.3? | Sep 14 06:38 |
DaemonFC | nobody I'd hope | Sep 14 06:38 |
zlg | probably less than are using windows me | Sep 14 06:39 |
twitter1 | they come from about the same time frame, but gnu/linux users upgrade | Sep 14 06:40 |
DaemonFC | Linux users do | Sep 14 06:40 |
DaemonFC | GNU users don't exist | Sep 14 06:40 |
zlg | i think it can be safely said ALL users upgrade | Sep 14 06:40 |
DaemonFC | when there is a viable GNU OS using the HURD kernel, there will be an operating system called GNU | Sep 14 06:41 |
schestowitz | zlg is mutex, I think | Sep 14 06:41 |
DaemonFC | right now they just like to take a lot of credit and let everyone working on the kernel get their hands really dirty with all the hard stuff it seems | Sep 14 06:41 |
twitter1 | thanks, Roy, he's full of it whoever he is. | Sep 14 06:41 |
DaemonFC | GNU would insist that if they brough 100 pieces to finish a 10,000 piece puzzle, that they made the puzzle | Sep 14 06:43 |
twitter1 | time for me to sleep, gn | Sep 14 06:43 |
DaemonFC | would sleep apnea be too much to hope for? | Sep 14 06:43 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 14 06:43 |
DaemonFC | the Ubuntu Karmic branch is quieting down to get things settled for the Alpha 6 CD on Thursday | Sep 14 06:47 |
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MinceR | DaemonFC: so how many kinds of hw does linux support and how many does openbsd support? | Sep 14 06:55 |
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MinceR | DaemonFC: also, if you think writing the userland part of an OS is so easy, why don't you write one of your own? | Sep 14 07:03 |
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MinceR | you can start with your libc implementation. :> | Sep 14 07:07 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: I would strongly suspect that nobody in this room would use OpenBSD or a Linux kernel with all the binary blobs and GLX stripped out | Sep 14 07:07 |
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DaemonFC | secondly, I didn't say it would be easy, but I'd use Linux even if HURD was declared stable | Sep 14 07:08 |
MinceR | and that magically makes openbsd better? | Sep 14 07:08 |
DaemonFC | because turning on my computer and finding that nothing works is NOT very fun | Sep 14 07:08 |
DaemonFC | no, it just means that in the strictest sense of the word, it's "freedom" | Sep 14 07:08 |
DaemonFC | where most of what makes Linux work is not | Sep 14 07:09 |
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MinceR | you don't know what freedom is | Sep 14 07:09 |
MinceR | also, what makes you think that 1) GLX is non-free and 2) openbsd has a free GLX? | Sep 14 07:09 |
DaemonFC | I just find it amusing that people that depend heavily on binary firmware that the Linux developers signed NDAs to get bitch about binary blobs and proprietary software | Sep 14 07:10 |
DaemonFC | it's so hypocritical | Sep 14 07:10 |
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DaemonFC | MinceR: I don't have a problem with GLX, the hippies at the FSF do apparently | Sep 14 07:10 |
MinceR | so you despise the FSF but take their word on what's free when it suits you and not when it doesn't? | Sep 14 07:11 |
DaemonFC | I booted up Gnewsense a while back for shits and giggles | Sep 14 07:11 |
DaemonFC | and almost nothing worked | Sep 14 07:11 |
DaemonFC | even GLX was gone | Sep 14 07:11 |
DaemonFC | no, you're missing the point | Sep 14 07:11 |
DaemonFC | it's not ME that has an "ethical problem" about using it | Sep 14 07:12 |
MinceR | also, one has the right to use binary blobs and bitch about it | Sep 14 07:12 |
MinceR | it's the only way to make some hw work currently | Sep 14 07:12 |
DaemonFC | it's like vegetarians bitching about meat eaters | Sep 14 07:12 |
MinceR | and yet it restricts the freedom of the user | Sep 14 07:12 |
DaemonFC | when combines kill free roaming animals | Sep 14 07:12 |
DaemonFC | they just cherry pick the facts that suit them | Sep 14 07:12 |
DaemonFC | and gloss over the nasty bits they don't want to be so | Sep 14 07:12 |
MinceR | cherry-picking is exactly what you just did | Sep 14 07:12 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: I'd say that anyone who claims to have a serious problem with it should really, honestly avoid them | Sep 14 07:13 |
DaemonFC | not pretend everything is OK while everything in their computer needs NDA-covered blobs | Sep 14 07:14 |
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MinceR | so they should either be unable to use some of their hardware or pretend that this solution is the best possible one? | Sep 14 07:15 |
DaemonFC | in the end, depending on scores of binary blobs written in a closed room somewhere is almost just as bad as using Windows | Sep 14 07:15 |
DaemonFC | if you claim to have a problem with using proprietary software | Sep 14 07:15 |
MinceR | or perhaps the zomg-free openbsd has free drivers for the same hw with the same capabilities? if so, why didn't you tell the linux developers to port those? | Sep 14 07:15 |
DaemonFC | I never said it did | Sep 14 07:16 |
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MinceR | you said openbsd was so much better than linux because it has free drivers | Sep 14 07:16 |
DaemonFC | I said the OpenBSD "philosophy" is the "free software philosophy" given more than just lip service | Sep 14 07:16 |
DaemonFC | by FSF drones | Sep 14 07:16 |
MinceR | and then whined that nothing worked with gNewSense | Sep 14 07:16 |
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DaemonFC | *philosophy | Sep 14 07:16 |
MinceR | you're applying different standards to openbsd and linux just because it suits your argument | Sep 14 07:16 |
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DaemonFC | nope | Sep 14 07:17 |
DaemonFC | OpenBSD has not, does not, and will not ever officially sanction blobs | Sep 14 07:17 |
DaemonFC | FSF just gives you a script to rip them out of Linux after the fact | Sep 14 07:17 |
MinceR | and thus it will not ever support hardware that needs blobs | Sep 14 07:17 |
MinceR | just like Linux Libre | Sep 14 07:17 |
MinceR | or gNewSense | Sep 14 07:18 |
MinceR | yet somehow openbsd is holier | Sep 14 07:18 |
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DaemonFC | Linux "Libre" is not the official release of Linux | Sep 14 07:18 |
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MinceR | so what? | Sep 14 07:18 |
DaemonFC | the official Linux does not give a shit about blobs | Sep 14 07:18 |
MinceR | it's free software, anyone can fork it | Sep 14 07:18 |
MinceR | also, Linux is not a GNU project | Sep 14 07:18 |
MinceR | so don't give the FSF shit about what goes into Linux | Sep 14 07:18 |
DaemonFC | they shouldn't be trying to rename it to act as if they own it | Sep 14 07:19 |
DaemonFC | if they don't want to take flak for it | Sep 14 07:19 |
MinceR | and if they did what you wanted, then you'd be here whining about how nothing works in linux and how everyone should just use vista | Sep 14 07:19 |
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DaemonFC | well if nothing worked in Linux I would use Vista | Sep 14 07:20 |
DaemonFC | I'm a pragmatic type | Sep 14 07:20 |
DaemonFC | I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of FSF drones | Sep 14 07:21 |
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DaemonFC | that sign off on using Linux and GPL even though it's less freedom respecting than OpenBSD | Sep 14 07:21 |
DaemonFC | usually it's not companies that use the BSD license to hoard code, it's the FSF and the Linux guys that use the GPL to hoard code | Sep 14 07:22 |
DaemonFC | as off as that sounds, companies give all kinds of patches back to the BSDs | Sep 14 07:22 |
DaemonFC | but FSF has sent threatening letters over GPL'd code being used in OpenBSD | Sep 14 07:22 |
MinceR | so if you want to slag FSF, you become idealistic and accuse them for making Linux the way it is, despite them not doing so | Sep 14 07:23 |
MinceR | and if you want to rave about *bsd, you just ignore everything | Sep 14 07:23 |
DaemonFC | the free software model has shown that companies that fork usually end up with a maintainence nightmare | Sep 14 07:24 |
DaemonFC | and maintaining the fork turns out to be more effort than cooperating | Sep 14 07:24 |
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MinceR | the hypocrisy you're pointing out is your own | Sep 14 07:24 |
MinceR | 082549 < DaemonFC> as off as that sounds, companies give all kinds of patches back to the BSDs | Sep 14 07:24 |
MinceR | as opposed to Linux? | Sep 14 07:25 |
DaemonFC | didn't say they don't | Sep 14 07:25 |
MinceR | well, you didn't say anything that made sense | Sep 14 07:25 |
DaemonFC | the usual scare tactic of choice of FSF zombies is that BSD is evil because it lets you hoard code | Sep 14 07:25 |
DaemonFC | when it does nothing of the sort | Sep 14 07:25 |
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DaemonFC | companies can and do make internal forks of GPL'd code all the time | Sep 14 07:26 |
DaemonFC | the patches die with the company or when they stop using them | Sep 14 07:26 |
MinceR | actually companies do hoard BSD cod | Sep 14 07:27 |
MinceR | e | Sep 14 07:27 |
DaemonFC | or get so far out of sync that they're useless anyway to the original project | Sep 14 07:27 |
MinceR | there's crApple and m$ for 2 big examples | Sep 14 07:27 |
DaemonFC | KHTML vs Webkit | Sep 14 07:27 |
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DaemonFC | Apple provided a step by step on how to undermine the original project and take control of it | Sep 14 07:28 |
DaemonFC | when they're using a GPL license | Sep 14 07:28 |
MinceR | which makes GPL worse because you can't do the same with BSDL... oh wait, yes, you can! | Sep 14 07:29 |
DaemonFC | it never would have gotten that bad | Sep 14 07:29 |
MinceR | lol | Sep 14 07:29 |
DaemonFC | because they wouldn't have hoarded it in private for a year | Sep 14 07:29 |
MinceR | yes, because bsd is holy | Sep 14 07:29 |
DaemonFC | and worked on it in secret | Sep 14 07:30 |
DaemonFC | or released worthless undocumented megapatches | Sep 14 07:30 |
MinceR | and steve jobs shits rainbows? | Sep 14 07:30 |
cubezzz | I think history has shown the Linux way of doing things trumps the BSD way | Sep 14 07:31 |
cubezzz | especially since BSD is older, but Linux is more adopted | Sep 14 07:32 |
DaemonFC | in that it crashes more? | Sep 14 07:32 |
DaemonFC | in that perfectly good code that conflicts with GPL because RMS says so can't be adopted? | Sep 14 07:32 |
cubezzz | I've had uptimes over a year | Sep 14 07:32 |
DaemonFC | in that Linux reinvents a lot of wheels because of that? | Sep 14 07:33 |
cubezzz | Linux is by far the better desktop | Sep 14 07:33 |
DaemonFC | FreeBSD has ZFS now with no effort required from FreeBSD | Sep 14 07:33 |
DaemonFC | Linux has to commit developers to create a ZFS workalike, and you might have BtrFS this time next year | Sep 14 07:33 |
zlg | MAC OS/X is BSD, so would that be more popular than linux? | Sep 14 07:34 |
cubezzz | if all I was doing was server, I would use BSD, but Linux is better for general use | Sep 14 07:34 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: Only because it has more weight in the form of users | Sep 14 07:34 |
DaemonFC | and corporate sponsorships | Sep 14 07:34 |
DaemonFC | I think FreeBSD is still managing quite well | Sep 14 07:35 |
DaemonFC | BSD license has gotten them more code than some greedy evil company has made off with | Sep 14 07:35 |
cubezzz | I've got nothing against BSD | Sep 14 07:35 |
MinceR | so why don't all the whiners go and use *bsd and leave us be? | Sep 14 07:35 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: One nonfree driver, actually | Sep 14 07:36 |
DaemonFC | no Nvidia driver for 64-bit FreeBSD | Sep 14 07:36 |
DaemonFC | I had considered using a PAE kernel, but that has it's own problems | Sep 14 07:36 |
MinceR | problems? but *bsd is perfect, isn't it? | Sep 14 07:36 |
DaemonFC | well, like Linux, it's limited by whatever corporations decide to give it | Sep 14 07:37 |
DaemonFC | like I said, Nvidia has more demand to create a Linux driver | Sep 14 07:37 |
MinceR | all os-es are limited by whatever their developers decide to implement | Sep 14 07:37 |
DaemonFC | Linux is popular because it's popular | Sep 14 07:37 |
DaemonFC | not because it's the better of the two | Sep 14 07:38 |
DaemonFC | and like Windows, even the unwilling are sometimes along for the ride | Sep 14 07:38 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: btw, if nvidia creates a driver for 64bit freebsd, it won't be free software | Sep 14 07:38 |
DaemonFC | so? | Sep 14 07:38 |
MinceR | so you still won't have any right to whine | Sep 14 07:38 |
DaemonFC | I'm not the one with the problems about that | Sep 14 07:38 |
MinceR | apparently yes you are | Sep 14 07:38 |
MinceR | also, apparently you have a pretty bad memory :> | Sep 14 07:39 |
cubezzz | clearly the Linux license encourages code sharing more than the BSD license, that's why it's further ahead | Sep 14 07:39 |
DaemonFC | no, Linux users who bitch about binary blobs are what I'm complaining about here :) | Sep 14 07:39 |
cubezzz | despite the fact BSD is older | Sep 14 07:39 |
DaemonFC | there might be a drop of soup in their bowl of flies | Sep 14 07:39 |
DaemonFC | somewhere | Sep 14 07:39 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: see what i said about blobs earlier. | Sep 14 07:39 |
DaemonFC | but they'll tell you it's a bowl full of soup | Sep 14 07:39 |
MinceR | will you say the bowl isn't full if you take the fly out? | Sep 14 07:40 |
DaemonFC | well, making one compromise is like a fly in a bowl otherwise full of soup | Sep 14 07:40 |
MinceR | except no, it isn't | Sep 14 07:40 |
MinceR | and gNewSense and Linux Libre are proofs of that | Sep 14 07:40 |
DaemonFC | they're pointless | Sep 14 07:41 |
cubezzz | if you want to completely avoid binary blobs you can, that's the beauty of Linux | Sep 14 07:41 |
DaemonFC | nobody except RMS and a few zombies use them | Sep 14 07:41 |
MinceR | so your earlier whine about the FSF was pointless too | Sep 14 07:42 |
MinceR | in exactly the same way | Sep 14 07:42 |
MinceR | and for the exact same reasons | Sep 14 07:42 |
DaemonFC | what I'm saying is that they have no right to complain unless they pained themselves to totalyl avoid any blobbed components in their entire system | Sep 14 07:43 |
DaemonFC | once they use even one, they've lost the bitching rights | Sep 14 07:43 |
MinceR | therefore they have the right to complain | Sep 14 07:43 |
DaemonFC | they want to have cake and eat it too | Sep 14 07:43 |
zlg | the guy who threw his shoes at Bush is getting out of jail, no word on his medel yet. | Sep 14 07:43 |
cubezzz | who's complaining? | Sep 14 07:43 |
MinceR | (notwithstanding the fact that they'd have the right to complain even if they did use blobs) | Sep 14 07:43 |
DaemonFC | it's like saying meat eaters are murderers while I chow down on a few steaks | Sep 14 07:44 |
DaemonFC | maybe you eat meat and think nothing of it and find me to be quite insane | Sep 14 07:44 |
DaemonFC | and hypocritical for telling you you're a meat loving murderer | Sep 14 07:45 |
DaemonFC | while I pardon myself for every bite | Sep 14 07:45 |
DaemonFC | that's what I'm getting at | Sep 14 07:45 |
DaemonFC | the FSF zombies are like meat eating "vegetarians" telling everyone else that they're the evil ones | Sep 14 07:45 |
DaemonFC | I really have yet to see anyone with a desktop computer that's fully functional without blobs | Sep 14 07:46 |
DaemonFC | much less a laptop | Sep 14 07:46 |
zlg | hay If i did not eat meat, and everyone else in the world stopped eating meat, all the farmers who just lost their market for cows, would go out and shoot them, at least meat eaters gives cows a short life | Sep 14 07:46 |
zlg | vegoes, would prefer they had NO life. | Sep 14 07:47 |
cubezzz | umm milk production? | Sep 14 07:47 |
DaemonFC | I mean, I know they're out there | Sep 14 07:47 |
cubezzz | ;-) | Sep 14 07:47 |
DaemonFC | but their like an albino tiger | Sep 14 07:47 |
DaemonFC | maybe 1 out of every 1,000 FSF zombies truly has such a system | Sep 14 07:47 |
DaemonFC | *they're | Sep 14 07:47 |
DaemonFC | the rest are posers telling me *I* need to change my evil ways | Sep 14 07:48 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Just like the annoying pushy vegetarian, maybe I respond better to criticism if the person criticizing holds themselves to the same high standards they are asking of me | Sep 14 07:49 |
DaemonFC | maybe I find them to be an annoying clueless idiot anyway, but I can respect that they actually live up to their own benchmark | Sep 14 07:49 |
zlg | if they do, | Sep 14 07:49 |
DaemonFC | exactly | Sep 14 07:49 |
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DaemonFC | it's like the pastor of a church that's hooking up to do a line of cocaine off amale prostitute's ass every Sunday evening | Sep 14 07:51 |
DaemonFC | is how I see these anti-blob people that use blobs | Sep 14 07:51 |
DaemonFC | even if the guy really is practicing what he's preaching, I still don't like him, but at least he's genuine, in his own way | Sep 14 07:51 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: If you say "I use blobs, but I don't like blobs, and I'll stop using them when the hardware doesn't need them anymore", that's understandable | Sep 14 07:54 |
DaemonFC | saying "I don't use blobs, and HOW DARE you!?" while you really are using blobs | Sep 14 07:55 |
DaemonFC | that's not OK | Sep 14 07:55 |
DaemonFC | saying "I don't use blobs and here look, my hardware doesn't need them" is OK | Sep 14 07:56 |
DaemonFC | it's just that I think there's a lot of people that use them and still claim to have only free software because blobs are taboo or because they use Ubuntu or something and don't understand that there's a lot of binary blobs and miscellanous crap in the kernel they so love | Sep 14 07:57 |
DaemonFC | the fact that there are blobs all over the place and instructions on how to assemble a blob-free PC contribute to the problem, MinceR | Sep 14 07:58 |
DaemonFC | *no instructions | Sep 14 07:58 |
DaemonFC | until that happens, everyone can knock themselves out with Blobuntu and Blobdora and Blobdriva | Sep 14 07:59 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 14 07:59 |
DaemonFC | the FSF should keep a list of hardware that is blob-free and keep it current (not something they are well known for) | Sep 14 08:00 |
cubezzz | w00t, got lynx working on zaurus | Sep 14 08:01 |
DaemonFC | and then Gnewsense may have a system that it can boot on and not feel like it was just Ubuntu ripped to shreds | Sep 14 08:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] b3ta readers appear to be everywhere http://bit.ly/RfQWo | Sep 14 08:02 | |
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DaemonFC | if the blob free components were a reasonably priced and easy way to make a reasonably fast blob-free system, I'd totally rip all the blobs out | Sep 14 08:02 |
DaemonFC | faster than you can say "Blob's your uncle" | Sep 14 08:02 |
cubezzz | I'm blob free on zaurus, at least I think I am | Sep 14 08:04 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob#Problems | Sep 14 08:07 |
DaemonFC | Blobs aren't a good thing, you should avoid blob where you can, blob may do bad things, and blob can't be audited | Sep 14 08:07 |
DaemonFC | Blobs are also quite common, most hardware needs blobs | Sep 14 08:08 |
DaemonFC | instead of eliminating blob, just try to minimize the blob presence | Sep 14 08:08 |
DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/The_Blob_poster.jpg | Sep 14 08:09 |
cubezzz | the net isn't too lynx friendly | Sep 14 08:09 |
DaemonFC | I used to use lynx quite a bit | Sep 14 08:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @picturecool o noez GURL O_O http://imgur.com/PuIht.jpg | Sep 14 08:10 | |
cubezzz | stuff that hides in flash for example | Sep 14 08:10 |
DaemonFC | back when the net was mostly just text anyway | Sep 14 08:10 |
cubezzz | well, the net is really full of a lot of crud | Sep 14 08:12 |
cubezzz | flash hidding stuff, microsoft only web pages, etc | Sep 14 08:12 |
cubezzz | it's been years since I've tried to surf the net with lynx | Sep 14 08:13 |
cubezzz | I'm only doing it now because I got the zaurus to play around with | Sep 14 08:13 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: Other browsers mimic MSIE crap | Sep 14 08:14 |
DaemonFC | it's the only way to get a lot of pages to load | Sep 14 08:14 |
DaemonFC | but on the other hand, the weight of standard compliant browsers has been tugging on IE lately | Sep 14 08:15 |
DaemonFC | for example, IE 8's CSS support no longer sucks | Sep 14 08:15 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is trying to pollute the web in other ways now anyway | Sep 14 08:15 |
DaemonFC | like SilverBlight | Sep 14 08:15 |
cubezzz | there's a blog entry there somewhere :) | Sep 14 08:16 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: I hate MSIE, but it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be | Sep 14 08:16 |
DaemonFC | Microsfot is trying to mimic the hell out of Firefox but failing spectacularly in most ways | Sep 14 08:16 |
cubezzz | yeah but I still want to use lynx :) | Sep 14 08:17 |
DaemonFC | like, giving a shit about extensibility (the kind that benefits the user, like Adblock Plus and BugMeNot) | Sep 14 08:17 |
cubezzz | wikipedia isn't too bad on lynx | Sep 14 08:18 |
cubezzz | and stallman.org, that's 2 web pages that work :-P | Sep 14 08:18 |
DaemonFC | Wikipedia fails on Lynx for two main reasons | Sep 14 08:19 |
DaemonFC | images that actually complement the article | Sep 14 08:19 |
DaemonFC | Ogg Vorbis media that complements the article | Sep 14 08:19 |
DaemonFC | *compliment | Sep 14 08:19 |
DaemonFC | uggh | Sep 14 08:20 |
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DaemonFC | cubezzz: a good ad blocker will stop most of the exploitative crap | Sep 14 08:21 |
DaemonFC | beats browsing in text only | Sep 14 08:22 |
DaemonFC | really saves your ass if you are on dial up | Sep 14 08:22 |
cubezzz | well, slashdot is a bit of a problem | Sep 14 08:23 |
cubezzz | no javascript on lynx I don't think | Sep 14 08:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Because journalism isn't dying fast enough: http://probablybadnews.com/ news fails | Sep 14 08:28 | |
cubezzz | well, it's viable it a pinch, I wouldn't want to surf the net using lynx | Sep 14 08:29 |
cubezzz | just too lynx unfriendly | Sep 14 08:29 |
DaemonFC | no, lynx just parses the HTML | Sep 14 08:29 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMVNMiYTQRw&feature=related | Sep 14 08:44 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Big Momma Cass | Sep 14 08:45 |
DaemonFC | Ham Sandwich | Sep 14 08:45 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 14 08:45 |
DaemonFC | Charlie Sheen is a 9/11 Truther? | Sep 14 08:49 |
DaemonFC | heh | Sep 14 08:49 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Gah. Wake up a Windows XP machine after it's been down a short while. Too many apps wanting updates. Tedious. | Sep 14 09:04 | |
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trmanco | wtf | Sep 14 09:16 |
trmanco | McDonald's Certified Sandwich Engineer (MCSE) | Sep 14 09:16 |
trmanco | schestowitz: this one was a funny one | Sep 14 09:16 |
trmanco | LOL | Sep 14 09:16 |
trmanco | nice sig | Sep 14 09:16 |
DaemonFC | Minesweeper Certified Solitaire Expert | Sep 14 09:18 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Any reason why the "official" KDE LiveCD is OpenSuse? | Sep 14 09:19 |
Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: suse is the only major distro left using kde | Sep 14 09:20 |
DaemonFC | not true | Sep 14 09:20 |
Diablo-D3 | who else is left? | Sep 14 09:21 |
DaemonFC | most don't take sides | Sep 14 09:21 |
DaemonFC | the ones that do usually default to KDE | Sep 14 09:21 |
Diablo-D3 | ubuntu and debian both offer kde, neither default to it | Sep 14 09:21 |
DaemonFC | Mandriva defaults to KDE | Sep 14 09:21 |
Diablo-D3 | (kubuntu is not a totally official ubuntu distro) | Sep 14 09:21 |
DaemonFC | Suse defaults to KDE | Sep 14 09:21 |
Diablo-D3 | mandriva isnt major. | Sep 14 09:21 |
DaemonFC | Kubuntu is official | Sep 14 09:21 |
Diablo-D3 | kubuntu has too many politics associated with it to be 100% official | Sep 14 09:22 |
DaemonFC | so I'd say that KDE and GNOME are equally well supported | Sep 14 09:22 |
DaemonFC | Slackware only has KDE | Sep 14 09:22 |
DaemonFC | GNOME is entirely unofficial | Sep 14 09:22 |
DaemonFC | Arch doesn't care what you use | Sep 14 09:23 |
DaemonFC | every package is optional | Sep 14 09:23 |
DaemonFC | Sabayon defaults to KDE | Sep 14 09:23 |
DaemonFC | Gentoo doesn't give a shit | Sep 14 09:23 |
Diablo-D3 | gentoo, arch, and sabayon are not major distros | Sep 14 09:23 |
DaemonFC | Fedora defaults to GNOME but KDE is equally well supported | Sep 14 09:24 |
trmanco | I like thos distros "that don't give a shit" | Sep 14 09:24 |
DaemonFC | easily selected | Sep 14 09:24 |
trmanco | those* | Sep 14 09:24 |
DaemonFC | I'd say GNOME and KDE are roughly equal | Sep 14 09:24 |
DaemonFC | in terms of users | Sep 14 09:24 |
trmanco | kde in ubuntu is just as supported as gnome is , yes | Sep 14 09:24 |
Diablo-D3 | not really | Sep 14 09:24 |
Diablo-D3 | trmanco: we're talking who goes with what | Sep 14 09:24 |
Diablo-D3 | trmanco: all major distros do gnome by default | Sep 14 09:25 |
Diablo-D3 | kde is pretty much shit on | Sep 14 09:25 |
trmanco | doesn't debian deafult to kde? | Sep 14 09:25 |
DaemonFC | distrowatch page rankings don't count | Sep 14 09:25 |
DaemonFC | those are easily manipulated | Sep 14 09:25 |
Diablo-D3 | trmanco: hell no | Sep 14 09:25 |
trmanco | hell no? they really don't know what they are missing | Sep 14 09:25 |
Diablo-D3 | trmanco: technically debian defaults to no X at all, but the desktop environment task in tasksel is gnome. | Sep 14 09:25 |
trmanco | ah, it's like arch | Sep 14 09:25 |
Diablo-D3 | no, arch is like debian | Sep 14 09:26 |
Diablo-D3 | debian is the second oldest distro that is still active | Sep 14 09:26 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://bit.ly/nn7xN | Sep 14 09:34 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Runs Away from the Press After Trying to Have #GNU #Linux Sued by Proxy http://bit.ly/nn7xN | Sep 14 09:35 | |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: I think beineri did the live CD KDE Live | Sep 14 09:37 |
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schestowitz | Diablo-D3: KDE is fantastic | Sep 14 09:38 |
schestowitz | Take your slurs somewhere else. KDE is fine. | Sep 14 09:38 |
DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: a little Kompetition is good for the soul | Sep 14 09:38 |
DaemonFC | lighten up :) | Sep 14 09:38 |
schestowitz | Slackware and many others like Mandriva use KDE | Sep 14 09:38 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, if I wanted to have an ugly desktop, I'd run vista | Sep 14 09:38 |
DaemonFC | KDE is customizable | Sep 14 09:39 |
DaemonFC | you don't have to pick the default theme | Sep 14 09:39 |
DaemonFC | you can make it look like just about anything you want | Sep 14 09:39 |
DaemonFC | same with GNOME to an extent | Sep 14 09:39 |
schestowitz | KDE is anything you make of it | Sep 14 09:39 |
schestowitz | You could make it look like OS X, XP, Vista, anything.. | Sep 14 09:39 |
schestowitz | All down to the level of menus and artwork | Sep 14 09:40 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The best XP knockoff I've made was with XFCE actually | Sep 14 09:40 |
DaemonFC | I got bored :) | Sep 14 09:40 |
DaemonFC | yeah, there's an OS X "transformation pack" floating around out there for GNOME | Sep 14 09:41 |
DaemonFC | it's easy because OS X doesn't use anything GNOME can't handle, like built-in compositing | Sep 14 09:41 |
DaemonFC | making a Windows Vista/7 clone out of GNOME would be difficult | Sep 14 09:42 |
DaemonFC | I don't think you could get the glass effect quite right | Sep 14 09:42 |
DaemonFC | in any event,you'd be turning GNOME from a turd to a highly polished turd | Sep 14 09:43 |
DaemonFC | just like going from XP to 7 | Sep 14 09:43 |
DaemonFC | the compositor being tacked on after the fact was one of the things that really pissed me off about GNOME | Sep 14 09:44 |
schestowitz | Yesterday I looked at MSFT news | Sep 14 09:44 |
schestowitz | just two headlines/articles about Vista, both of which negative. 12 about WIndows 7 | Sep 14 09:44 |
DaemonFC | Wine couldn't deal with Compiz in many cases | Sep 14 09:44 |
schestowitz | This is so funny | Sep 14 09:44 |
schestowitz | Vista is dead | Sep 14 09:44 |
schestowitz | VIsta 7 just hyped | Sep 14 09:44 |
DaemonFC | sometimes native Linux apps couldn't either | Sep 14 09:44 |
schestowitz | Like vapour | Sep 14 09:44 |
DaemonFC | all my programs work with Kwin | Sep 14 09:44 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I did manage to wipe out a copy of Vista today | Sep 14 09:45 |
DaemonFC | not on my system, just a guy I know on Yahoo that lives near here | Sep 14 09:46 |
DaemonFC | his system got pwned and his Yahoo Messenger was sending out penis pill spam | Sep 14 09:46 |
DaemonFC | all too common | Sep 14 09:47 |
DaemonFC | even blocking out unknown contacts won't save you from someone's system getting pwned and spamming you | Sep 14 09:48 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: re the Best Buy Union | Sep 14 09:49 |
DaemonFC | the word union has management not knowing whether to shit or wind their wrist watch | Sep 14 09:50 |
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DaemonFC | I wonder how they pulled that off | Sep 14 09:50 |
DaemonFC | Walmart has union busters that get on a plane in Arkansas and fly out to the store where the union is trying to set up | Sep 14 09:50 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: If a worker asks about a union, you fire them | Sep 14 09:53 |
DaemonFC | not right away, and maybe not just "firing" | Sep 14 09:54 |
DaemonFC | there's a number of ways to handle them | Sep 14 09:54 |
DaemonFC | one way to get rid of a problematic employee is cutting their hours | Sep 14 09:54 |
DaemonFC | the other way is to immediately start inventing things to write them up for | Sep 14 09:54 |
DaemonFC | you're told to answer the question they asked about a union truthfully | Sep 14 09:55 |
DaemonFC | read that as "At Walmart Stores Inc., we don't believe that a union is necessary. You're encouraged to voice your concenrs straight to a member of management at any time." | Sep 14 09:56 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 14 09:56 |
DaemonFC | of course you can rephrase that | Sep 14 09:56 |
DaemonFC | it's the thought that counts | Sep 14 09:56 |
DaemonFC | *concerns | Sep 14 09:56 |
DaemonFC | the key is not to not break the law | Sep 14 09:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eye on #Microsoft : Failures of #WindowsMobile , Windows #Vista , and #Vista7 http://bit.ly/j5pmO | Sep 14 09:57 | |
DaemonFC | it's to look like you didn't break the law when you're breaking the law | Sep 14 09:57 |
DaemonFC | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207329 | Sep 14 10:07 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 14 10:07 |
DaemonFC | hmm, I can't find an autoscroll, but I can make the mouse wheel scroll 10 lines per click | Sep 14 10:12 |
DaemonFC | I guess that's the next best thing | Sep 14 10:12 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Ironically, my Windows Live Hotmail works better in Konqueror than Gmail does | Sep 14 10:33 |
DaemonFC | Gmail is the one where shit is broken and it gives me browser not supported messages | Sep 14 10:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Sued for Another Technical Failure in #Xbox360 http://ping.fm/5hvYH | Sep 14 10:34 | |
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schestowitz | re kDE bug report, it might be a site-side issue | Sep 14 11:21 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #India Should #Embargo #Microsoft Now That It Brings More of the #LiveEdu Ploy and #Bribes http://ping.fm/RpIKQ | Sep 14 13:30 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] No jobs yet, but the pimps are swarming. Which is good, I suppose. | Sep 14 14:08 | |
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ptheabstract | hey there....i was wondering if anyone here has expertise in microsoft excel vba .... | Sep 14 14:17 |
ptheabstract | im trying to create a validated list from an array in my vba code | Sep 14 14:18 |
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ptheabstract | ..if anyone could help me out ...a pm would be greatly appreciated thx | Sep 14 14:29 |
schestowitz | Hey | Sep 14 14:34 |
schestowitz | Why VBA here? | Sep 14 14:34 |
Diablo-D3 | its a troll! | Sep 14 14:35 |
ptheabstract | lol where should i be looking? | Sep 14 14:37 |
Diablo-D3 | try #perl | Sep 14 14:37 |
ptheabstract | serious? | Sep 14 14:37 |
Diablo-D3 | serious | Sep 14 14:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IMPORTANT: there is some SPAM service sending messages to everyone who is listed as my follower. It arrived through someone else. Ignore it. | Sep 14 14:38 | |
ptheabstract | k fanks | Sep 14 14:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] @schestowitz are you sure your password wasn't compromised? | Sep 14 14:45 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Comes #Antitrust : How #Microsoft Schemed to Destroy #Borland (Like It Did #Yahoo ) http://ping.fm/dluxM | Sep 14 14:59 | |
schestowitz | ^^Wallclimber and I did this document which is not 'out there 'yet. It very nicely shows how Microsoft eliminates by poaching. | Sep 14 15:00 |
wallclimber | I am reading it now...interesting stuff | Sep 14 15:01 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @yoonkit Guys, beware of those twitter games like "playmobsterworld". They are spamming your followers! #1stwarning | Sep 14 15:08 | |
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*Eruaran reads... | Sep 14 15:20 | |
Eruaran | Oh Borland | Sep 14 15:21 |
Eruaran | I always had a soft spot for Borland | Sep 14 15:21 |
trmanco | I used borland pascal | Sep 14 15:25 |
trmanco | 4 years ago | Sep 14 15:25 |
oiaohm | borland was always custom this custom that. | Sep 14 15:25 |
oiaohm | So making it a pain to port anywhere. | Sep 14 15:25 |
oiaohm | I wrote my first 3d game in Borland pascal for dos its basically useless these days I would have to majorally recode it. | Sep 14 15:26 |
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trmanco | heh | Sep 14 15:29 |
trmanco | I bet it was a pain in the ass to code it too | Sep 14 15:29 |
Eruaran | We used Borland's Turbo Pascal when I studied... | Sep 14 15:30 |
wallclimber | I just read this, thought i'd post it here just in case it hadn't been posted before: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2009/09/07/daily19.html?ana=tt3305&position=left&tab=1 | Sep 14 15:30 |
wallclimber | Former Yahoo Inc. engineering vice president Eric Boyd is reportedly going to run Microsoft Corp.'s Silicon Valley ad business. | Sep 14 15:30 |
wallclimber | He will join another former high-level Yahoo executive, Qi Lu, at Microsoft | Sep 14 15:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Youtube, the best in quality, the worst in freedom. | Sep 14 15:31 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Comcast guy came out | Sep 14 15:49 |
DaemonFC | still out checking the line | Sep 14 15:49 |
DaemonFC | he was interested in my system, so I spent a few minutes showing him around Kubuntu | Sep 14 15:51 |
trmanco | dolphin is so great you can even play video and audio directly from it | Sep 14 15:54 |
DaemonFC | yes, it supports anything you have codecs for | Sep 14 15:55 |
DaemonFC | it's really not a dedicated player though | Sep 14 15:55 |
DaemonFC | that would be kind of cool | Sep 14 15:55 |
trmanco | that's why kde should have a system wide EQ | Sep 14 15:56 |
trmanco | built into phonon | Sep 14 15:56 |
DaemonFC | an equalizer? | Sep 14 15:56 |
DaemonFC | why would you use one of those? | Sep 14 15:56 |
trmanco | yeah | Sep 14 15:56 |
oiaohm | You can trmanco its not hard. | Sep 14 15:56 |
oiaohm | Just send sound out threw jack. | Sep 14 15:56 |
trmanco | cause my speaker suck | Sep 14 15:56 |
oiaohm | You can do what ever you like to it in there. | Sep 14 15:56 |
trmanco | jack, hmm | Sep 14 15:57 |
trmanco | will try | Sep 14 15:57 |
oiaohm | jack audio is a pro audio mixing table. | Sep 14 15:57 |
oiaohm | To be correct patch table. | Sep 14 15:57 |
DaemonFC | my experience is the less layers between you and the sound system, the better | Sep 14 15:57 |
oiaohm | That just happens to be a sound deamon. | Sep 14 15:57 |
DaemonFC | the more layers you put up, the more problems you have and the harder it is to figure out why | Sep 14 15:57 |
oiaohm | Jack is lighter than pulseaudio | Sep 14 15:58 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/ftc-forces-sears-kmart-out-of-the-spyware-business.ars | Sep 14 15:58 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: I finally adjusted my Wordpress layout about a week ago | Sep 14 16:04 |
DaemonFC | this one is valid XHTML | Sep 14 16:04 |
DaemonFC | IE 8 can render it, IE 7 and earlier have problems | Sep 14 16:04 |
DaemonFC | oh well | Sep 14 16:04 |
DaemonFC | I'm tired of breaking compliant browsers to humor old versions of MSIE | Sep 14 16:05 |
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DaemonFC | OggDropXP actually works flawlessly in Wine | Sep 14 16:10 |
DaemonFC | I'm impressed | Sep 14 16:10 |
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trmanco | Xserver 1.7RC has been released | Sep 14 16:23 |
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schestowitz | After Vista flop, Indian CIOs not open to new Windows < http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Infotech/Indian-CIOs-not-open-to-new-Windows/articleshow/5007253.cms > | Sep 14 16:36 |
schestowitz | Good times for us... | Sep 14 16:36 |
schestowitz | I want to try ardour | Sep 14 16:37 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've heard of that | Sep 14 16:37 |
schestowitz | After that podcast from floss weekly I might try it... it uses Jack and it's very professional | Sep 14 16:37 |
DaemonFC | by name only though, don't know what it is | Sep 14 16:37 |
DaemonFC | but I heard it was good in passing | Sep 14 16:37 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 14 16:38 |
DaemonFC | looks like Audacious on steroids with some professional features | Sep 14 16:38 |
schestowitz | IT's different | Sep 14 16:38 |
schestowitz | He explained | Sep 14 16:38 |
schestowitz | Different purpose | Sep 14 16:38 |
schestowitz | Audacious=recorder | Sep 14 16:38 |
schestowitz | Ardour=multichannel processing machine | Sep 14 16:39 |
schestowitz | It's OS X- and Linux-only | Sep 14 16:39 |
schestowitz | He explained why porting to WIndows is just asking for trouble | Sep 14 16:39 |
schestowitz | Boxee was the same | Sep 14 16:39 |
DaemonFC | that's a switch isn't it? | Sep 14 16:39 |
schestowitz | But Boxee gave up to pressure | Sep 14 16:39 |
DaemonFC | Boxee devs are incompetent | Sep 14 16:39 |
schestowitz | Never tried it, dunno | Sep 14 16:40 |
DaemonFC | "We support Linux, as in the 32-bit version ONLY of Ubuntu" | Sep 14 16:40 |
schestowitz | Yahoo Exchanges Alibaba.com Stake For $150M http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/14/yahoo-exchanges-alibabacom-stake-for-150-million | Sep 14 16:40 |
DaemonFC | it's just another bullshit me too app from a developer that only knows that the 32-bit edition of Ubuntu exists | Sep 14 16:40 |
schestowitz | EU Will Find a Way for Oracle to Keep MySQL, Observers Say < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/eu-will-find-a-way-for-oracle-to-keep-mysql-observers-say/?cs=35569 > | Sep 14 16:43 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I love it when I can not only add a program to Wine's AppDB, but give it an immediate Platinum rating too | Sep 14 16:43 |
DaemonFC | nice when things work out like that | Sep 14 16:43 |
schestowitz | Next important exhibit (just 1 to go!!) http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/assorted-2009/PX06482.pdf | Sep 14 16:44 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: How does porting to Windows create a problem for the Linux version? | Sep 14 16:47 |
DaemonFC | Most cross platform applications turn out jsut fine | Sep 14 16:47 |
DaemonFC | in fact, it's often developers that have made a non-portable application that bitch and moan it seems | Sep 14 16:48 |
DaemonFC | like Google complaining about Linux after they made a very Windows-centric version of Chrome | Sep 14 16:48 |
DaemonFC | any decent application should be portable | Sep 14 16:48 |
schestowitz | I told you, listen to the audiocast | Sep 14 16:49 |
DaemonFC | as fun as it can be to listen to someone whine about their own incompetence and blame everyone but themselves... | Sep 14 16:50 |
DaemonFC | If it's such a big deal, I wonder why every other open source app has a Windoes version | Sep 14 16:51 |
DaemonFC | or why the VLC people cross compile it from within Linux and ask that others test it on Windows for them | Sep 14 16:51 |
MinceR | :> | Sep 14 16:51 |
MinceR | it's because google sucks at software engineering | Sep 14 16:51 |
DaemonFC | it seems like a pretty non-issue if they haven't done anything grotesquely stupid | Sep 14 16:51 |
DaemonFC | *Windows | Sep 14 16:51 |
schestowitz | " RT @dmahugh Interesting read, but do you know why thinkovation.com blocks access from Microsoft? >> @thinkovation any thoughts on this? " http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/3916260733 | Sep 14 16:52 |
schestowitz | A Look At The RIAA's Copyright Propaganda For Schools http://techdirt.com/articles/20090911/0136516161.shtml | Sep 14 16:53 |
schestowitz | MinceR: it's because Google hired from Microsoft | Sep 14 16:53 |
schestowitz | And they develop with Windows-esque tools as a result | Sep 14 16:53 |
MinceR | that explains a lot | Sep 14 16:53 |
MinceR | but why did they hire from m$? | Sep 14 16:54 |
DaemonFC | 90% of the world uses Windows and they wanted Chrome done quickly | Sep 14 16:55 |
DaemonFC | they aren't too worried about stringing Linux users along for well over a year after the Windows version was released | Sep 14 16:55 |
DaemonFC | *stringing | Sep 14 16:55 |
DaemonFC | wow, I corrected myself on something I spelled right | Sep 14 16:56 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Does Konversation have a spell check anywhere? | Sep 14 16:56 |
schestowitz | LOL @ "recession"....downplaying the severity...: Labour 'must not lose its nerve' < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8253816.stm > | Sep 14 16:56 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes | Sep 14 16:57 |
schestowitz | Took me a while to find it too | Sep 14 16:57 |
DaemonFC | Where was it? | Sep 14 16:57 |
schestowitz | COntext menu on then editable text pane, toggle auto-spellcheck | Sep 14 16:57 |
schestowitz | Same in some other apps like the micro-blogging widget | Sep 14 16:57 |
DaemonFC | oh sweet | Sep 14 16:57 |
DaemonFC | one right-click away the whole time | Sep 14 16:57 |
DaemonFC | and I was looking through the prefs, silly me | Sep 14 16:58 |
DaemonFC | why would a preference be in the preferences menu? | Sep 14 16:58 |
DaemonFC | that just makes way too much sense for this world | Sep 14 16:58 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 14 16:58 |
MinceR | so they hired m$ staff to code a winblows app... how could it possibly go wrong? :> | Sep 14 17:02 |
trmanco | schestowitz: any news on knode's link wrapping problem? | Sep 14 17:05 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: They could have declared Crossover Chromium the official Linux build | Sep 14 17:05 |
trmanco | I just garbled a hole message because of that :| | Sep 14 17:05 |
DaemonFC | why spoil their perfect track record of using Wine to call it a Linux port? | Sep 14 17:05 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: which sucks | Sep 14 17:06 |
MinceR | it uses windows' broken font rendering | Sep 14 17:06 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmm.. connection fails: http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/09/we_are_all_sex.html | Sep 14 17:06 |
MinceR | also, paste by middle click doesn't work in it | Sep 14 17:06 |
DaemonFC | I hate that | Sep 14 17:07 |
DaemonFC | I want autoscroll damn it | Sep 14 17:07 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 14 17:07 |
MinceR | the right thing to do would have been to build on crossplatform libraries | Sep 14 17:07 |
MinceR | Qt, for example | Sep 14 17:07 |
schestowitz | trmanco:oh, maybe it's worth filing a bug about | Sep 14 17:07 |
schestowitz | I found a workaround myself | Sep 14 17:07 |
schestowitz | But it's worth 'fixing' | Sep 14 17:07 |
trmanco | I can't find anything about it on bugs.kde | Sep 14 17:07 |
schestowitz | Depends on one's POV | Sep 14 17:07 |
schestowitz | Some would say it's not a bug but a fix | Sep 14 17:07 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Opera is a better Linux program than Chrome will ever be | Sep 14 17:08 |
trmanco | yeah | Sep 14 17:08 |
DaemonFC | I'm pretty certain of that | Sep 14 17:08 |
trmanco | it just needs to detect links and not wrap them | Sep 14 17:08 |
schestowitz | trmanco: so file a report | Sep 14 17:08 |
schestowitz | It would help me too to have it sanely behaving in 4.4 :-) | Sep 14 17:08 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: i'll judge it after i've tried the Linux version of Iron :> | Sep 14 17:08 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Will there be one? | Sep 14 17:08 |
MinceR | there already is | Sep 14 17:09 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Sep 14 17:09 |
DaemonFC | does the ad blocker break the back button like it does on Windows? | Sep 14 17:09 |
MinceR | it's not a release, but it exists | Sep 14 17:09 |
MinceR | no idea | Sep 14 17:09 |
MinceR | http://www.srware.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=561 | Sep 14 17:09 |
MinceR | linked from http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php | Sep 14 17:10 |
DaemonFC | and my modem is still resetting | Sep 14 17:10 |
DaemonFC | he said it might for a while | Sep 14 17:10 |
trmanco | ok | Sep 14 17:10 |
DaemonFC | anyhow, bbl, yard work | Sep 14 17:10 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 14 17:10 |
schestowitz | Vetting keeps our children safe http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/sep/11/vetting-barring-child-protection | Sep 14 17:12 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's what the "Farmer" is for then | Sep 14 17:12 |
schestowitz | Russia builds own browser: IE, Firefox, Chrome? Unhappy with your Web Browser? Build Your Own! < http://profy.com/2009/09/11/ie-firefox-chrome-build-your-own-web-browser/ > | Sep 14 17:14 |
schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, browser adopts country | Sep 14 17:14 |
schestowitz | A Fortress City That Didn’t Come to Be http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/nyregion/11dayafter.html?_r=1 Nice photo | Sep 14 17:16 |
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schestowitz | "in 1997, it basically came to the point where I was going to kill the project, because it was growing so fast and my mailbox was filling up with suggestions, complaints, patches, all these things. Up until then, I had been doing everything myself. Someone would make a suggestion, send me a patch and I'd rewrite the patch the way I thought it should be done." | Sep 14 17:17 |
schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/how-php-became-such-a-huge-success-633591?artc_pg=2 | Sep 14 17:17 |
schestowitz | Defusing The Population Bomb < http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/010499.html > | Sep 14 17:19 |
satipera | I have not looked at Munich linux watch for quite a long while. Having just done so I see the last post was more than 2 months ago which is good news. http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/ if you look at the site and go down 6 posts you will see a nice photo of Microsoft Jack and a link to one of his great stories. (last paragraph or so he is in full flow reference Munich Linux migration. | Sep 14 17:20 |
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schestowitz | Hehe. Monty of mysql fame cites _Goblin. http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/09/codeplex-foundation-why-is-microsoft.html | Sep 14 17:22 |
schestowitz | LOL http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/2009/07/google-chrome-os-and-lesson-of-munich.html | Sep 14 17:24 |
schestowitz | It's an anti-Linux site though | Sep 14 17:25 |
schestowitz | Don't feed it | Sep 14 17:25 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com/technology-and-solutions/packaged-appliances/libertus-produco.html | Sep 14 17:29 |
schestowitz | [17:22] <schestowitz> Hehe. Monty of mysql fame cites _Goblin. http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2009/09/codeplex-foundation-why-is-microsoft.html | Sep 14 17:29 |
schestowitz | ^ Hey, _goblin | Sep 14 17:29 |
schestowitz | http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_ID=10&article_ID=106355&categ_id=5# > "Religion is not the primary motivation of suicide bombers" Probably more to do with oppression and retaliation, disguised as "religion". Congo holocaust is not a religious war | Sep 14 17:33 |
schestowitz | How can we have confidence that the HMRC online tax return system is safe to use ? http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/blog/2009/09/how_can_we_have_confidence_that_the_hmrc_online_tax_return_system_is_safe_to_use/ | Sep 14 17:34 |
schestowitz | http://adamcathcart.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/cultural-demolition-in-kashgar-a-liberation-special-report/ | Sep 14 17:35 |
Diablo-D3 | WOW | Sep 14 17:38 |
Diablo-D3 | wtf | Sep 14 17:38 |
Diablo-D3 | I went into yahoo games chess | Sep 14 17:38 |
Diablo-D3 | there is nobody in any of the rooms | Sep 14 17:38 |
Diablo-D3 | oh wait | Sep 14 17:39 |
Diablo-D3 | its just a display bug | Sep 14 17:39 |
Diablo-D3 | it says 0 but it really has lots of people | Sep 14 17:39 |
schestowitz | Many people could play assisted with bots | Sep 14 17:40 |
schestowitz | It's not worth much playing with invisible people | Sep 14 17:40 |
schestowitz | http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/gio/CS99I/figures/DogInternet_075.gif | Sep 14 17:41 |
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schestowitz | NZ scientists identify giant, man-eating eagle < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/14/te_hokioi/ > | Sep 14 17:51 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/14/north_eastern_passage/ "One of Russia's commercial maritime trade routes for the past 70 years has been "re-opened" by a press hungry for dramatic Global Warming scare stories - but who failed to check the most basic facts." | Sep 14 17:55 |
schestowitz | ""There's loud music blasted out until the early hours, loud screaming and shouting and taxis coming in and out at all hours," one neighbor told the New York Post. "Another neighbor went round to get them to turn it down, and she came back saying there were a lot of topless girls around the pool with just two or three guys."" | Sep 14 17:58 |
schestowitz | http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2009/09/boy-those-goldman-rats-know-how-to.html | Sep 14 17:58 |
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schestowitz | Hmmmmm.... http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/09/goldman-sachs-question.html | Sep 14 17:59 |
_goblin | hi Roy! | Sep 14 18:04 |
_goblin | re: Monty...he's yet to print my replies.... | Sep 14 18:05 |
schestowitz | I heard you had a fight with Monty | Sep 14 18:06 |
schestowitz | He'll come to you house now and debug your family !! | Sep 14 18:06 |
_goblin | lol...still doesn't answer the question......whats in it for Microsoft? | Sep 14 18:07 |
schestowitz | $$ | Sep 14 18:07 |
schestowitz | For those who vie for SciFi. < http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/for-those-who-vie-for-scifi-33800 > | Sep 14 18:09 |
schestowitz | flex & bison http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596155971/ brings back memories....... | Sep 14 18:19 |
schestowitz | Yikes. EMC.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/14/emc_gelsinger/ | Sep 14 18:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A very nice guide to using your inherent British superpower of bloody-mindedness against bad shops http://is.gd/3gzQF | Sep 14 18:43 | |
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_Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz | Sep 14 18:48 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz the big man | Sep 14 18:48 |
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schestowitz | Ramble: "for me, BSD and Opensolaris are both looking like alternatives to Linux.." < http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/39518 > | Sep 14 18:49 |
schestowitz | Hey, mighty _Hicham_ | Sep 14 18:49 |
schestowitz | hitcham al akbar | Sep 14 18:49 |
schestowitz | I have a good post coming Wednesday | Sep 14 18:50 |
schestowitz | Some COmes stuff | Sep 14 18:50 |
_Hicham_ | first widely used educational c compiler is borland | Sep 14 18:52 |
schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/-if-a-logo-works-at-16px-you-ve-cracked-it--633611 'If a logo works at 16px, you've cracked it' | Sep 14 18:54 |
schestowitz | first widely used Mono program is made by Microsoft followers | Sep 14 18:55 |
_Hicham_ | which is ? | Sep 14 18:56 |
_Hicham_ | what is this famous program ? | Sep 14 18:56 |
_Hicham_ | did i ever use it ? | Sep 14 18:56 |
schestowitz | Probably hello world or something | Sep 14 18:59 |
schestowitz | http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/opera-10-browser-review-6-stand-out-features-vs-firefox-and-safari/ 6 Unique Features That Make Opera 10 Stand Out | Sep 14 18:59 |
_Hicham_ | hello world is Mono | Sep 14 18:59 |
schestowitz | Mono was born in the hands of MSFT folks | Sep 14 18:59 |
_Hicham_ | *in | Sep 14 18:59 |
schestowitz | Hello# World# | Sep 14 19:00 |
tessier_ | mysql is still using 100% of a whole cpu. So whatever query caching has been done still isn't working. | Sep 14 19:00 |
tessier_ | Wish I knew more about wordpress. | Sep 14 19:00 |
schestowitz | tessier_: it's in the front page of something | Sep 14 19:00 |
schestowitz | Like Linux Today | Sep 14 19:00 |
schestowitz | Thus the heavy load | Sep 14 19:00 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u use opera ? | Sep 14 19:00 |
schestowitz | But I don't know if it's not caching optimally. | Sep 14 19:00 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: no.. | Sep 14 19:01 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I try to discouraging people from using Opera if they can do FOSS and also make statements to have Opera become FOSS | Sep 14 19:02 |
_Hicham_ | maybe Opera will become foss one day | Sep 14 19:02 |
schestowitz | Oh, tessier_ | Sep 14 19:02 |
schestowitz | I did find out that some pages are for some reason hogging resources | Sep 14 19:03 |
schestowitz | I don't know what makes those pages unique, but there are a few of them that can take like 10 seconds to load. | Sep 14 19:03 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : too much animations ? | Sep 14 19:06 |
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schestowitz | Here's a project for _Hicham_: Is ZipTie a good candidate for a fork? http://useopensource.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-ziptie-good-candidate-for-fork.html | Sep 14 19:09 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, something mysterious | Sep 14 19:09 |
schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8253236.stm | Sep 14 19:09 |
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schestowitz | Opera 10 Review - Opera's Turn To Catch Up! < http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/product/opera-10-review---opera-s-turn-to-catch-up--1804 > | Sep 14 19:13 |
schestowitz | jono: I heard you use WIndows for Cuebase. Or is it wine? | Sep 14 19:13 |
jono | schestowitz, I use a Mac and Cubase | Sep 14 19:14 |
_Hicham_ | Mac OS or just the hardware ? | Sep 14 19:15 |
schestowitz | jono: ah, didn't know it ran on Macs | Sep 14 19:17 |
jono | _Hicham_, Mac OS and hardware | Sep 14 19:17 |
jono | schestowitz, yeah | Sep 14 19:17 |
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jono | schestowitz, :) | Sep 14 19:17 |
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goblinp2 | sorry for the clone...just testing a Webconverger | Sep 14 19:20 |
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_Hicham_ | schestowitz the dangerous man | Sep 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | Me? No. | Sep 14 19:26 |
_Hicham_ | the most dangerous man on earth | Sep 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | Why? | Sep 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | Obama is that person | Sep 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | Obama and his 'back' | Sep 14 19:26 |
_Hicham_ | Obama is a cool person | Sep 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | Heh. | Sep 14 19:26 |
_Hicham_ | he said nice things to Muslims | Sep 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | What happens when expansionism is carried out at his behest of behalf? | Sep 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: that's what he does | Sep 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | He;s a spokesman | Sep 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | The people who run the country are still the same | Sep 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | Obama is like the Ramji of Microsoft | Sep 14 19:28 |
schestowitz | Microsft does the racketeering | Sep 14 19:28 |
schestowitz | And the Geisha speaks all 'sweet' | Sep 14 19:28 |
schestowitz | PR 101 :-p | Sep 14 19:28 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: we need the US to be run by many 'Obamas' | Sep 14 19:29 |
schestowitz | Kind of like The Matrix where everyone is Mr Smith | Sep 14 19:29 |
schestowitz | Or Yankowich where everyone's the same..... "Yankowich Yankowich Yankowich ..." | Sep 14 19:30 |
MinceR | that's Malkovich, isn't it? | Sep 14 19:32 |
schestowitz | Yeah, I knew I got something wrong | Sep 14 19:32 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_ would be better than Obama. Unlike Obama, he would sack all the cronies that occupy the White House, DOJ etc. even _after_ GWB had left (Obamabiden reappointed them) | Sep 14 19:33 |
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schestowitz | All we need now are armies of phat-arse lobbyists to fund _Hicham_'s campaign. We all know, after all, that elections are run by the PR industry and those with a large pool of funding (favours to repay) get the Big Seat. | Sep 14 19:34 |
schestowitz | http://zikkir.com/index/32300 "Linux: Surprisingly unlike the old PS3 the PS3 slim has no Linux support/capabilities. I have no idea why they would take such a great feature out, maybe to reduce power consumption or something perhaps? If you want to install Linux on your PS3 and turn it into a personal home computer you are going to have to go buy an older model of the PS3." | Sep 14 19:35 |
MinceR | if you could choose anyone, why support a troll? | Sep 14 19:37 |
schestowitz | It's banter | Sep 14 19:38 |
schestowitz | Greenspan for President. Let's go with a bankster :-p :-p | Sep 14 19:38 |
schestowitz | NEC develops and manufactures mobile terminals for NTT DOCOMO, INC. and | Sep 14 19:40 |
schestowitz | SoftBank Mobile Corp. that capitalize on the company's core competencies and | Sep 14 19:40 |
schestowitz | incorporate wireless communications technologies such as W-CDMA (*1) and LTE | Sep 14 19:40 |
schestowitz | (*2), Linux (*3) platform development, low power consumption innovations and | Sep 14 19:41 |
schestowitz | ultra-thin technologies. | Sep 14 19:41 |
schestowitz | unquote^^ | Sep 14 19:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS50195+14-Sep-2009+PRN20090914 | Sep 14 19:41 |
schestowitz | Big merger | Sep 14 19:41 |
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schestowitz | Server Makers Stomach the Worst Quarter in History < http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh091409-story02.html > | Sep 14 19:42 |
schestowitz | Oracle is already causing damage to its rival (FUD): http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=B81EACBE-1A64-67EA-E457FD923789F7B7 | Sep 14 19:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] REVIEW: Webconverger 5.5 http://tinyurl.com/ryuofm #linux #foss #internet | Sep 14 20:10 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Makes #Media Centres from Old Computers http://bit.ly/13s57s | Sep 14 20:10 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Still Behind #GNU #Linux #KDE (and Not Even Out Yet) http://blogs.fsfe.org/rca/?p=21 | Sep 14 20:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Failure in #WindowsXP Leads Way to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/LTQvu | Sep 14 20:15 | |
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_goblin | Just been reading how to force a BSOD with a Python script....works on 7 too! | Sep 14 20:21 |
trmanco | I person made a version of the smb2 exploit in java | Sep 14 20:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Benchmarks of the New #Linux #Scheduler from #ConKolivas http://bit.ly/vWkZ0 | Sep 14 20:25 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'd completely forgotten about #bing is anyone still using it? #microsoft #google #fail | Sep 14 20:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] an ultra-simple Debian-based browser kiosk distro http://bit.ly/aMo5m | Sep 14 20:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Att is beyond worthless. | Sep 14 20:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Short Tour of #Gloobus http://bit.ly/16vyEV | Sep 14 20:28 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Arch #GNU #Linux with Latest #KDE http://bit.ly/csa3y | Sep 14 20:33 | |
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sebsebseb | hi | Sep 14 20:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Openbytes - The blogazine for those with a GNUtee beard! http://tinyurl.com/knvxnm #linux #foss #gnu #windows #microsoft #xp #vista | Sep 14 20:35 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Webconverger 5.5 ( #GNU #Linux #Distribution ) Reviewed http://bit.ly/aMo5m | Sep 14 20:36 | |
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balzac | grep "who is not idle" * | Sep 14 20:55 |
balzac | hello | Sep 14 20:57 |
balzac | ?-? | Sep 14 20:57 |
_goblin | hello | Sep 14 20:57 |
balzac | yo | Sep 14 20:57 |
balzac | I need to get some critical data from Google | Sep 14 20:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Possible Plans for #Ubuntu 10.x http://bit.ly/19F9hp #gnu #linux | Sep 14 20:58 | |
balzac | NYC 51 district map layout in full, not through the soda straw of the flash player. | Sep 14 20:58 |
balzac | 51 district map is highly efficient and somewhat secretive through obscurity and difficult accessibility | Sep 14 20:59 |
schestowitz | Use openstreetmap | Sep 14 20:59 |
schestowitz | Forget Google | Sep 14 20:59 |
balzac | ok | Sep 14 20:59 |
schestowitz | Use Marble | Sep 14 20:59 |
schestowitz | Nice program | Sep 14 20:59 |
schestowitz | If the data is missing, add to openstreetmap | Sep 14 20:59 |
balzac | nah, I can't do that now | Sep 14 21:00 |
balzac | the election is tomorrow | Sep 14 21:00 |
balzac | I need to screen-scrape from NY times and thereby probably be in violation of terms of use | Sep 14 21:01 |
balzac | or use some clever code to load just that district map. | Sep 14 21:01 |
balzac | maybe I can use cURL | Sep 14 21:01 |
balzac | I want to get the candidates by borough-numbering system, not the futuristic "area 51" district system which seems to ignore the 5 boroughs. | Sep 14 21:02 |
balzac | there is no 1-1 match up between the 51 district map and the borough-district break-down | Sep 14 21:02 |
balzac | I'm going to include both in this system | Sep 14 21:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Variant #LinuxMint 7 #XFCE is Released and Reviewed http://bit.ly/gnAc2 http://bit.ly/2wtuYQ | Sep 14 21:03 | |
balzac | ivote4u.us | Sep 14 21:03 |
balzac | so there is no match up, that is important to realize. | Sep 14 21:03 |
_goblin | right....time for a quick reboot....upgrades... | Sep 14 21:04 |
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balzac | that means the city council elections are based on "area 51" according to the candidate list on NY Times | Sep 14 21:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #moonOS 3, #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux #Derivative http://bit.ly/RtRXQ | Sep 14 21:05 | |
balzac | well, I want to see what candidates overlap which borough-district breakdown | Sep 14 21:05 |
trmanco | msn protocol is acting weird | Sep 14 21:05 |
balzac | it's industrial infrastructure political map vs neighborhood political map | Sep 14 21:06 |
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schestowitz | You vote? | Sep 14 21:06 |
balzac | I'll include both | Sep 14 21:06 |
trmanco | maybe it's being DOSed | Sep 14 21:06 |
schestowitz | You'd be more effective informing more people | Sep 14 21:06 |
schestowitz | Voting as 'democracy' is a farce | Sep 14 21:06 |
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_goblin | how about that for an upgrade and reboot.....God I love Linux. | Sep 14 21:06 |
schestowitz | The PR industry determines who votes how | Sep 14 21:06 |
balzac | well, at least people should be aware that in long island, the "area 51" map has one district over-lapping and containing another district. | Sep 14 21:07 |
balzac | I'm not saying there's not a good reason for that, but I like the map based on the surface as defined by streets as well, not just the weird boundaries of the "area 51" district system | Sep 14 21:07 |
trmanco | _goblin: yeah, that was fast | Sep 14 21:08 |
balzac | I especially don't want to leave out the names of neighborhoods from this application I'm configuring. | Sep 14 21:08 |
balzac | open street map doesn't have the data probably | Sep 14 21:09 |
balzac | does anyone want to help me figure out how to get google's data? | Sep 14 21:09 |
balzac | i guess I'm qualified to figure that out | Sep 14 21:09 |
balzac | http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/lucds/cdstart.shtml <--- borough district map | Sep 14 21:10 |
balzac | notice each borough resets the count at number one | Sep 14 21:10 |
balzac | http://elections.nytimes.com/2009/nyc/city-council/1 <--- one single district for lower manhattan | Sep 14 21:11 |
trmanco | can't send/receive messages from msn | Sep 14 21:11 |
balzac | look at how the borough district map shows almost 3 districts for that same area | Sep 14 21:11 |
_Hicham_ | google data is available through google api | Sep 14 21:11 |
balzac | _Hicham_: I'm working on this project which has backing from Acquia | Sep 14 21:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] LG Releases Linux Phone http://bit.ly/D6fPK LG does patent racketeering with Microsoft, though | Sep 14 21:12 | |
balzac | I was lucky to get this job so I want to get as much data as possible into the system | Sep 14 21:12 |
balzac | I guess I'll have to do two separate district systems | Sep 14 21:12 |
balzac | different groups for each one. | Sep 14 21:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Motorola Entered Linux #Development World http://bit.ly/25RhUc | Sep 14 21:13 | |
balzac | since there's no 1-to-1 match-up between these two district systems | Sep 14 21:13 |
balzac | As I mentioned, districts are permitted to contain other districts in the "area 51" system favored by NY Times *and* wikipedia | Sep 14 21:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Alpha680 #Subnotebooks Runs #Linux , Reviewed http://bit.ly/IZUHE | Sep 14 21:14 | |
balzac | I'd like to see if anyone here can find a map of that system. I guess it's not possible since it's not a traditional map, it's very abstract. | Sep 14 21:14 |
balzac | _Hicham_: do you know google API? | Sep 14 21:14 |
balzac | I'd like the campaign volunteers to be able to see the shapes of these 51 districts | Sep 14 21:15 |
_Hicham_ | balzac : most of google's api is in python | Sep 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: there's no "Google data" | Sep 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | They 'license' it | Sep 14 21:15 |
balzac | right | Sep 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | It's so-called 'IP' | Sep 14 21:15 |
balzac | wisels | Sep 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | Which is why I recommend openstreetmap | Sep 14 21:15 |
balzac | google has become very efficient | Sep 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | It's improving fast enough to beat the duopoly | Sep 14 21:15 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : or use World Wind with Mono | Sep 14 21:15 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : what do u prefer ? | Sep 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | Blech | Sep 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | I hate WOrld Wing | Sep 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | WInd | Sep 14 21:16 |
balzac | efficient in the scary connotation | Sep 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | THe shame of NASA | Sep 14 21:16 |
_Hicham_ | why ? | Sep 14 21:16 |
_Hicham_ | because of .NET ? | Sep 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | Microsoft promiscuous bastards | Sep 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | There's more | Sep 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | Long story | Sep 14 21:16 |
balzac | because they're offering this data through a soda-straw | Sep 14 21:16 |
_Hicham_ | They are now offering a Java-SDK | Sep 14 21:16 |
balzac | ok, I'll figure out a way to do this | Sep 14 21:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government of #Malaysia Shows Migration to #Free Software http://www.oscc.org.my/content/view/227/139/ #UK Should Follow http://bit.l ... | Sep 14 21:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Has Another #Jetpack , #SeaMonkey 2.0 Coming http://bit.ly/EQxWR http://bit.ly/1Hfg5j | Sep 14 21:22 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SoftwareFreedomDay Coming Shortly http://bit.ly/mu1JF | Sep 14 21:23 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Haiku R1/Alpha 1 is Released http://bit.ly/201rv9 | Sep 14 21:27 | |
ThistleWeb | the CAS guys were raving about haiku in the latest episode, also harshing on RH again | Sep 14 21:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Declares #Data #Liberation http://bit.ly/HLn6V | Sep 14 21:29 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Medical #AstroTurf (or Gentle #Bribery ) Turns #Academia to #Corrupt Arena http://bit.ly/15QN2z | Sep 14 21:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Testday: Test New Features of Fx3.6!: http://is.gd/3gRPy !firefox #firefox | Sep 14 21:34 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK Police Treats Everyone Like a #Criminal, by Default http://bit.ly/cFRVL http://bit.ly/25l3kJ | Sep 14 21:35 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sony Broke the Law with #DRM Scheme and Must Still Pay Victims http://bit.ly/GUyXU #rootkit #crime | Sep 14 21:37 | |
trmanco | msn still down | Sep 14 21:40 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Japan Falls Into #MAFIAA Trap of Plan That Would Never Work http://bit.ly/p5WTL | Sep 14 21:44 | |
trmanco | We will never kill Mono - Says Microsoft: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2009/07/we-will-never-kill-mono-says-microsoft.html | Sep 14 21:44 |
trmanco | found this | Sep 14 21:44 |
trmanco | yes it's old | Sep 14 21:44 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies in the UK Ignore Artists, Consumers, Follow #Moguls Instead http://bit.ly/xuCgD http://bit.ly/2MJNSn | Sep 14 21:46 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Microsoft Bob Hope gains "visual search" feature http://notnews.today.com/?p=644 | Sep 14 21:46 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Outdated #Copyright Becomes an Issue of #HumanRights http://bit.ly/10WWIy | Sep 14 21:47 | |
wallclimber | arghh...hate mondays. thought i'd take a break and see what's happenin' on my favorite irc chat | Sep 14 21:47 |
wallclimber | it's worrisome that BN's irc seems a saner place than my office...lol | Sep 14 21:48 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 14 21:48 |
wallclimber | you guys ARE sane, aren't you? :) | Sep 14 21:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Extremely High Damages Make a Farce of the #USPTO http://techdirt.com/articles/20090913/1735526175.shtml | Sep 14 21:49 | |
trmanco | Yes we are | Sep 14 21:49 |
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wallclimber | I believe you. Yes I do. | Sep 14 21:53 |
wallclimber | I have a Sony Vaio laptop sitting here next to me. it belongs to my business partner and she thinks it's got a virus, so she wants it fixed | Sep 14 21:55 |
wallclimber | ...just shoot me... | Sep 14 21:55 |
_Hicham_ | wallclimber : install linux | Sep 14 21:56 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #European Software Strategy Document #Corrupted By #Microsoft #Lobbyist #ACT http://bit.ly/4sgwyJ | Sep 14 21:56 | |
_Hicham_ | I am the new CEO of MS | Sep 14 21:56 |
wallclimber | i'd like to do that, but it hasn't liked any Live cds i've tried, so far (knoppix, ubu-jaunty, puppy) | Sep 14 21:57 |
trmanco | http://www.browserscope.org/ | Sep 14 21:57 |
trmanco | A vírus | Sep 14 21:57 |
trmanco | no anti-virus installed? | Sep 14 21:58 |
_Hicham_ | install Kaspersky Antivirus Wallclimber | Sep 14 21:59 |
trmanco | you can say so many bad thing about FF 3.5 | Sep 14 21:59 |
trmanco | things* | Sep 14 21:59 |
trmanco | but it's still the best browser | Sep 14 22:00 |
ThistleWeb | one argument you could use to encourage Linux adoption is that "who pays if your PC shares your customers private data with a third party who will use if for ID theft?" | Sep 14 22:00 |
trmanco | see link above and see for yourself | Sep 14 22:00 |
_Hicham_ | there is no browser on linux usable yet but firefox | Sep 14 22:00 |
_Hicham_ | that is the truth | Sep 14 22:00 |
ThistleWeb | malware tends to do stuff like that, and the better it's written, the less chance you'll notice it | Sep 14 22:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Propaganda from #Microsoft #FrontGroup ( #BSA ) Debunked http://bit.ly/XEb7v | Sep 14 22:01 | |
trmanco | that's free | Sep 14 22:01 |
trmanco | opera is a good non-free browser | Sep 14 22:01 |
_Hicham_ | trmanco : don't mention non-free stuff plz | Sep 14 22:01 |
trmanco | why? | Sep 14 22:01 |
wallclimber | (sorry, i ran off to have my browser checked) | Sep 14 22:02 |
_Hicham_ | we don't support non-free stuff in here | Sep 14 22:02 |
ThistleWeb | who asked for support for it? | Sep 14 22:02 |
ThistleWeb | thats what the project channels are for | Sep 14 22:02 |
_Hicham_ | that is against BN rules | Sep 14 22:02 |
MinceR | there's no such thing as a "best browser" | Sep 14 22:02 |
ThistleWeb | BN rules rofl | Sep 14 22:02 |
MinceR | there are browsers that suck somewhat less than others | Sep 14 22:02 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: trolling is against BN rules | Sep 14 22:02 |
ThistleWeb | sounds like Percy the Prefect found IRC | Sep 14 22:02 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : hello Mr Troll | Sep 14 22:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Vista Killed Microsoft for Good in CIOs' Minds, #VIsta7 Shunned http://bit.ly/R7bR1 | Sep 14 22:03 | |
MinceR | _Hicham_: so that's your name. interesting. | Sep 14 22:03 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : why do u like trolling that much ? | Sep 14 22:03 |
_Hicham_ | can't u get enough of trolling ? | Sep 14 22:03 |
MinceR | _Hicham_: i don't. that's why i keep telling you to stop. | Sep 14 22:03 |
_Hicham_ | because no one is telling that u r trolling | Sep 14 22:04 |
_Hicham_ | that is why u don't know | Sep 14 22:04 |
MinceR | i know i'm not and i know you are. | Sep 14 22:04 |
_Hicham_ | see, u trolling, as always | Sep 14 22:05 |
MinceR | i'd tell you to look up what trolling is but i know you don't care. | Sep 14 22:05 |
_Hicham_ | i told u that before | Sep 14 22:05 |
*ThistleWeb shakes his head at yet another playground spat between the children "stop trolling" "I'm not trolling, you are" "are too" "are not" "are too, no backsies" | Sep 14 22:05 | |
_Hicham_ | but u r way stubborn to go check it | Sep 14 22:05 |
_Hicham_ | ThistleWeb : hi big daddy ! | Sep 14 22:06 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : keep accusing people of trolling all the time | Sep 14 22:07 |
_Hicham_ | maybe u will accuse schestowitz sometime too | Sep 14 22:07 |
MinceR | ThistleWeb: what can i do about it? | Sep 14 22:07 |
_Hicham_ | everyone is a troll for Mr MinceR | Sep 14 22:08 |
ThistleWeb | all I see is squabling kids, everyone who is squabling is contributing to the squable | Sep 14 22:08 |
ThistleWeb | you may think you're trying to help, but all you're doing is making anyone who reads the logs, or pop in think we're a bunch of kids | Sep 14 22:09 |
MinceR | ThistleWeb: and you don't think that you are contributing to it with your holier-than-thou bullshit? | Sep 14 22:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Attempt to Harm #FOSS from the Inside Worse Than Ever http://bit.ly/15UGlP http://bit.ly/JoeKE | Sep 14 22:10 | |
ThistleWeb | that's if they pop in during one of the squables | Sep 14 22:10 |
_Hicham_ | ThistleWeb is the Big Head in here | Sep 14 22:10 |
ThistleWeb | blame me if you want, I'm trying to get a point across and quell the bickering | Sep 14 22:10 |
ThistleWeb | that may suggest you need a target, any target, if it's not each other, it's me | Sep 14 22:11 |
ThistleWeb | so be it | Sep 14 22:11 |
trmanco | bungo has image surch | Sep 14 22:11 |
MinceR | i know the one way to stop trolling, but i can't use it here :> | Sep 14 22:11 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: Sony doesn't like Linux on laptops | Sep 14 22:11 |
schestowitz | Vaios are are a true 'shill' to the Vole | Sep 14 22:11 |
trmanco | *visual surch | Sep 14 22:11 |
trmanco | :-P | Sep 14 22:11 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : I tried a Vaio with Fedora 10, and it worked flawlessly | Sep 14 22:12 |
schestowitz | Maybe it changed | Sep 14 22:13 |
_Hicham_ | they suck on Windows since they don't provide Windows XP drivers | Sep 14 22:13 |
_Hicham_ | only Vista drivers | Sep 14 22:14 |
_Hicham_ | not like HP | Sep 14 22:14 |
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wallclimber | I'll try a Live cd again in a while. She's back from lunch, apparently i misunderstood, this isn't her laptop, it's her husband's and he apparently likes to play poker online. | Sep 14 22:14 |
wallclimber | hmmm | Sep 14 22:14 |
wallclimber | Hicham, do you think Fedora might be usable to a newbie? | Sep 14 22:15 |
_Hicham_ | Omar87 : مرحبا بالأخ العزيز عمر | Sep 14 22:15 |
_Hicham_ | Omar87 : كيف الحال في الأردن ؟ | Sep 14 22:15 |
_Hicham_ | wallclimber : Once it is well installed yes | Sep 14 22:17 |
wallclimber | Hicham, ThistleWeb is always good natured, and seems to keep to the high ground in discussions...plus he's funny | Sep 14 22:17 |
wallclimber | don't pick on him | Sep 14 22:17 |
wallclimber | :) | Sep 14 22:17 |
ThistleWeb | wallclimber: it's fine | Sep 14 22:17 |
_Hicham_ | wallclimber : I don't pick on anyone | Sep 14 22:17 |
ThistleWeb | ty anyway | Sep 14 22:17 |
_Hicham_ | I am just having a fun time in here | Sep 14 22:17 |
_Hicham_ | all members in here are my brothers | Sep 14 22:18 |
wallclimber | Hicham, i know :) | Sep 14 22:18 |
MinceR | your idea of a "fun time" is annoying | Sep 14 22:18 |
wallclimber | ok, i'm off to kill or cure a sony | Sep 14 22:18 |
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_Hicham_ | wallclimber : did u use Fedora before ? | Sep 14 22:18 |
wallclimber | no, i've never used it | Sep 14 22:18 |
wallclimber | maybe i did, once, a couple of years ago | Sep 14 22:19 |
_Hicham_ | wallclimber : what distro do u use usually ? | Sep 14 22:19 |
wallclimber | the ones i'm most familiar with are the 'buntus and mandriva, and i love crunchbang, but haven't used it more than a short time | Sep 14 22:20 |
trmanco | http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/internet-users-behaviour/internet-primetime-june-2009/index-1-2-2-174.html?xtor=11 "In Portugal, internet users are night owls, in Switzerland, they surf early in the internet" | Sep 14 22:21 |
trmanco | haha | Sep 14 22:21 |
wallclimber | mostly (since i'm only smart enough to be dangerous) i stay with what i can help others with | Sep 14 22:21 |
_Hicham_ | Ubuntu is a good choice for newbies, Mandriva is also a good choice ( remove the imwheel package by the way ) | Sep 14 22:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] http://is.gd/3gWd8 "In Portugal, internet users are night owls, in Switzerland, they surf early in the internet" | Sep 14 22:22 | |
_Hicham_ | wallclimber : don't install a development version | Sep 14 22:22 |
wallclimber | when i couldn't get any of the Live cds to boot, i figured i should make sure there's not a hardware problem before i get into anything else | Sep 14 22:22 |
_Hicham_ | wallclimber : are those livecd's recent ? | Sep 14 22:23 |
wallclimber | yes, fresh brewed this morning | Sep 14 22:23 |
wallclimber | :) | Sep 14 22:23 |
wallclimber | i'll be back later, will let you know how it goes (wish me luck) | Sep 14 22:25 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] iPhone Gets .Net App Development AKA a double helping of FAIL http://tinyurl.com/o6ojmo | Sep 14 22:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @petapixel Wow - Birth of a .25 millimetre aphid: http://j.mp/YPEQ1 | Sep 14 22:56 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] .:|*Music of the Day*|:. Benny Benassi - Memory Of Love http://is.gd/3gZ5e | Sep 14 22:56 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] with politically aware protestors like this, the return of the republicans is absolutely assured http://is.gd/3gZmO | Sep 14 22:58 | |
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trmanco | http://kaizer.se/wiki/kupfer/ | Sep 14 23:03 |
trmanco | The GnomeDo killa :-P | Sep 14 23:03 |
trmanco | but still, nothing beats kde one | Sep 14 23:04 |
trmanco | kde's | Sep 14 23:04 |
trmanco | don't know what to call it | Sep 14 23:04 |
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trmanco | where is everybody? | Sep 14 23:08 |
MinceR | Nine Inch Nails | Sep 14 23:08 |
trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzUzNg | Sep 14 23:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @phoronix: Good News, id Tech 5 Is Likely Coming To Linux http://ff.im/-87l11 | Sep 14 23:09 | |
trmanco | Looks like all those quake live linux users are paying off uh | Sep 14 23:09 |
trmanco | remember what he said a couple of months ago? | Sep 14 23:09 |
MinceR | indeed | Sep 14 23:09 |
MinceR | i'm somewhat relieved | Sep 14 23:09 |
trmanco | I use to play | Sep 14 23:09 |
trmanco | since I've moved to kde I haven't playing quake live | Sep 14 23:09 |
trmanco | it gets boring after 1-2 weeks of playing | Sep 14 23:10 |
MinceR | i don't have time to play much of anything nowadays | Sep 14 23:10 |
trmanco | I use to be a hardcore gamer :| | Sep 14 23:10 |
MinceR | work + overhaul of my personal IT infrastructure | Sep 14 23:10 |
MinceR | so did i | Sep 14 23:10 |
trmanco | I use to play lots of games | Sep 14 23:11 |
trmanco | sleep, play, sleep, play :| | Sep 14 23:11 |
trmanco | MinceR: favorites? | Sep 14 23:12 |
trmanco | I've played doom 3 | Sep 14 23:13 |
trmanco | but never reached the end :| | Sep 14 23:13 |
trmanco | too damn scary | Sep 14 23:13 |
MinceR | ut2004 is my current favorite | Sep 14 23:13 |
MinceR | didn't have time to play doom3 yet | Sep 14 23:13 |
schestowitz | I played it a bit.... | Sep 14 23:14 |
trmanco | it's scarier than Fear | Sep 14 23:15 |
trmanco | FEAR* | Sep 14 23:15 |
schestowitz | No problema[sic] | Sep 14 23:16 |
schestowitz | Just turn down the lights | Sep 14 23:16 |
schestowitz | Make sure everyone is awa | Sep 14 23:16 |
schestowitz | Crank up the volume | Sep 14 23:16 |
*trmanco ahahahahhaha | Sep 14 23:16 | |
schestowitz | See? Easy! No longer scary. | Sep 14 23:16 |
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trmanco | FEAR is a fame | Sep 14 23:16 |
trmanco | game* | Sep 14 23:16 |
schestowitz | Hhee. | Sep 14 23:16 |
trmanco | good engine too | Sep 14 23:16 |
schestowitz | Make catheter so you don't pee in your pants !! | Sep 14 23:17 |
trmanco | though it's directx | Sep 14 23:17 |
trmanco | best engine was from crysis | Sep 14 23:17 |
trmanco | I would call it's engine "perfect" if it wasn't built on top of directx | Sep 14 23:17 |
schestowitz | Direct X won't catch up if consoles continue to be popular | Sep 14 23:17 |
trmanco | they will | Sep 14 23:18 |
trmanco | (the consoles) | Sep 14 23:18 |
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trmanco | http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/it-crowd-ubuntu-r0xx-small.png | Sep 14 23:20 |
MinceR | :) | Sep 14 23:21 |
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trmanco | did I ever say that Okular is a great piece of software? | Sep 14 23:23 |
schestowitz | I got some personal feedback about the Borland story | Sep 14 23:23 |
schestowitz | There will be a followup | Sep 14 23:23 |
MinceR | i find myself preferring KPDF to it | Sep 14 23:23 |
MinceR | okular is too clunky and wastes screen space horribly | Sep 14 23:23 |
schestowitz | Okular also does text extraction | Sep 14 23:23 |
MinceR | and somehow it behaves badly | Sep 14 23:23 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 14 23:23 |
schestowitz | So I'll never install Adobe Reader | Sep 14 23:23 |
MinceR | i can't quite put my finger on it | Sep 14 23:23 |
trmanco | text extraction is what's great about it, any text | Sep 14 23:23 |
trmanco | :D | Sep 14 23:24 |
MinceR | KPDF can select and copy text too | Sep 14 23:24 |
trmanco | hmm | Sep 14 23:24 |
schestowitz | Which v? | Sep 14 23:24 |
trmanco | any text? | Sep 14 23:24 |
schestowitz | Not 3.5.10 | Sep 14 23:24 |
trmanco | I remember that Evince in some docs could not extract text | Sep 14 23:24 |
schestowitz | I also have stupid colleagues that send PDFs with annotation | Sep 14 23:24 |
MinceR | well, what is recognizable as such -- no OCR | Sep 14 23:24 |
schestowitz | I don't know if Okular can cope with this now | Sep 14 23:24 |
schestowitz | Adobe Reader is a mess on the system | Sep 14 23:25 |
MinceR | maybe it's just that okular wastes screen space too much for me | Sep 14 23:25 |
schestowitz | liblinux.bin or whatever can get bogged down by it | Sep 14 23:25 |
schestowitz | A different filename, can't remember which | Sep 14 23:25 |
schestowitz | Common error | Sep 14 23:25 |
schestowitz | MinceR: how bit a screen? | Sep 14 23:25 |
trmanco | okular has no OCR | Sep 14 23:26 |
schestowitz | for sub-notebooks you could also remove some panes/tollbars | Sep 14 23:26 |
MinceR | for example, the part where it displays the page number and the 4 buttons that go with it takes up an entire toolbar | Sep 14 23:26 |
schestowitz | *ool | Sep 14 23:26 |
MinceR | the part where you can switch the sidebar takes up another toolbar-sized bar | Sep 14 23:26 |
schestowitz | You're just picky | Sep 14 23:26 |
MinceR | true, in KDPF you couldn't see the page number if you hid the sidebar | Sep 14 23:26 |
MinceR | but i still much prefer that layout | Sep 14 23:27 |
MinceR | the page number bar was probably copied from adobe reader | Sep 14 23:27 |
MinceR | bad idea. | Sep 14 23:27 |
schestowitz | The acrobat should break a leg | Sep 14 23:28 |
MinceR | preferably its own | Sep 14 23:28 |
MinceR | s/KDPF/KPDF/ | Sep 14 23:29 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 14 23:30 |
trmanco | windows users need it | Sep 14 23:30 |
schestowitz | Not really | Sep 14 23:30 |
schestowitz | There's some Fox* | Sep 14 23:30 |
schestowitz | Can't recall what it's called | Sep 14 23:30 |
schestowitz | Lighter | Sep 14 23:30 |
trmanco | http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20090830122411147/IRC.html | Sep 14 23:31 |
trmanco | foxit reader? | Sep 14 23:31 |
trmanco | something like that | Sep 14 23:31 |
schestowitz | Yeah. | Sep 14 23:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] 10 of the Best Free Linux IRC Clients: http://is.gd/3h2vx | Sep 14 23:32 | |
MinceR | exists on linux too, but it's slow | Sep 14 23:32 |
MinceR | at least for mostly text pages | Sep 14 23:32 |
MinceR | it probably isn't as slow as it feels, but it feels awfully sluggish with its slow and clunky scroll and everything | Sep 14 23:33 |
MinceR | gn | Sep 14 23:34 |
trmanco | gn | Sep 14 23:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] CodePlex Foundation founding flawed says legal expert: http://is.gd/3h3KQ | Sep 14 23:46 | |
trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/open/WebKit-adds-support-for-WebGL--/news/114230 | Sep 14 23:46 |
trmanco | linux was left out? | Sep 14 23:46 |
trmanco | http://www.informationweek.com/newsletters/daily/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220000031&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_ALL | Sep 14 23:48 |
trmanco | this article is gone | Sep 14 23:48 |
trmanco | ah, found it again -> http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/open_source/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219700648&cid=nl_IW_daily_html | Sep 14 23:49 |
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trmanco | MS insists bodged fix didn't spawn Windows crash risk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/14/windows_smb_crash_flaw_genesis/ | Sep 14 23:54 |
trmanco | schestowitz: seen that? | Sep 14 23:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] 10 Linux file managers worth checking out: http://is.gd/3h4aY | Sep 14 23:58 |
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