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_Hicham_ | wb twitter1 | Sep 17 04:02 |
twitter1 | yo ho, yo ho. | Sep 17 04:02 |
twitter1 | have you been advocating free software _Hicham_? | Sep 17 04:02 |
twitter1 | What do you plan to do for Software Freedom Day? | Sep 17 04:03 |
_Hicham_ | selling some Linux CDs | Sep 17 04:04 |
_Hicham_ | $1 a CD | Sep 17 04:04 |
twitter1 | You would do better to give it away and charge people for your time. | Sep 17 04:05 |
_Hicham_ | $1 a CD is for my time | Sep 17 04:06 |
_Hicham_ | and my CD burner | Sep 17 04:06 |
twitter1 | Selling CDs is a legitimate way to make money. What ever happened to Cheap Bytes? | Sep 17 04:06 |
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_Hicham_ | we can't buy from internet in here | Sep 17 04:07 |
_Hicham_ | that is why i am selling linux CDs | Sep 17 04:07 |
twitter1 | where is "in here"? | Sep 17 04:09 |
_Hicham_ | what did u do Mr twitter1 ? | Sep 17 04:09 |
twitter1 | This looks like a nice deal. http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070011709.html?id=5iWsV8BS | Sep 17 04:09 |
twitter1 | I asked you where you can't buy things from the internet. | Sep 17 04:09 |
_Hicham_ | twitter1 : in Morocco | Sep 17 04:10 |
twitter1 | there are no internet vendors based in Moroco or elsewhere willing to sell? | Sep 17 04:14 |
twitter1 | Sounds like an opportunity. | Sep 17 04:15 |
_Hicham_ | there is no way to pay | Sep 17 04:15 |
_Hicham_ | internet vendors in here do it in a twisted way | Sep 17 04:15 |
twitter1 | Don't tell me they snail mail checks around. | Sep 17 04:16 |
twitter1 | You would think a bank would like to make money like Visa does. | Sep 17 04:16 |
twitter1 | but the state of online commerce is deplorable enough in the US for me to believe things are bad everywhere. | Sep 17 04:17 |
_Hicham_ | no, u should subscribe to the service | Sep 17 04:17 |
_Hicham_ | then u pay when stuff is delivered to u | Sep 17 04:17 |
_Hicham_ | cash | Sep 17 04:17 |
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hicham_ | twitter and twitter1 the shills | Sep 17 04:40 |
twitter1 | I'm everywhere you want to be, hicham_ | Sep 17 04:41 |
hicham_ | seriously, did u do sthg for Software Freedom Day ? | Sep 17 04:42 |
twitter1 | it has not happened yet | Sep 17 04:43 |
hicham_ | why? | Sep 17 04:44 |
hicham_ | didn't find sthg useful to do ? | Sep 17 04:44 |
twitter1 | I'm always doing something useful. | Sep 17 04:44 |
twitter1 | I'm hoping someone around here is doing something nice for software freedom day. | Sep 17 04:45 |
cubezzz | online commerce is slow, yes | Sep 17 04:46 |
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hicham_ | twitter1 : u r doing sthg useful by promoting Windows software ? | Sep 17 04:49 |
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twitter1 | hicham is hicham | Sep 17 04:50 |
cubezzz | I'll hack on my zaurus | Sep 17 04:53 |
twitter1 | very nice | Sep 17 04:56 |
twitter1 | do you have a CF USB card? | Sep 17 04:57 |
twitter1 | that would be very nice for Zaurus. | Sep 17 04:57 |
twitter1 | You could make it into a nice, low powered NAS/gateway. | Sep 17 04:57 |
twitter1 | Or you could just work with the portable Zaurus as it is. | Sep 17 04:57 |
twitter1 | What software projects are still out there since Open Zaurus went away? | Sep 17 04:58 |
cubezzz | I have SD and CF cards, but not USB | Sep 17 05:00 |
cubezzz | twitter1, I'm not sure | Sep 17 05:01 |
cubezzz | doesn't seem like there's much happening | Sep 17 05:01 |
cubezzz | I'm porting some old amiga stuff I wrote to SL-5500 | Sep 17 05:02 |
cubezzz | I have a USB cable for it, so I can use the usbnet module to mess around with lynx | Sep 17 05:03 |
twitter1 | Open Zaurus had a working X11 and Gnome pocket desktop. OpenSSH worked as well. | Sep 17 05:04 |
cubezzz | play some chess against it, it's not as invincible as my other computers | Sep 17 05:04 |
twitter1 | you could hook up a USB hub to it and drives for storage. | Sep 17 05:04 |
twitter1 | and network fobs. | Sep 17 05:04 |
twitter1 | that USB cable is a nifty thing. | Sep 17 05:04 |
cubezzz | getting wifi to work on it would be even nicer | Sep 17 05:04 |
cubezzz | I think there are CF Wifi maybe | Sep 17 05:05 |
twitter1 | don't know if the older kernels for it will do that. | Sep 17 05:05 |
twitter1 | Debian might have a newer kernel, but you probably lose the buttons and a some other things. | Sep 17 05:05 |
twitter1 | I have not done anything with my Zaurus in a long time. | Sep 17 05:05 |
cubezzz | well, if I have all the source it should be possible | Sep 17 05:05 |
twitter1 | Left it with Opie. | Sep 17 05:06 |
twitter1 | because Opie was able to play music and buzz the alarm. | Sep 17 05:06 |
twitter1 | I might just see what debian can do on it these days, but I don't have high hopes. I think Sharp slipped binary junk into the kernel for drivers. | Sep 17 05:06 |
cubezzz | twitter1, others have done wifi on sl-5500 | Sep 17 05:08 |
cubezzz | I have some notes here... let me check | Sep 17 05:08 |
twitter1 | Open Zaurus did my CF wifi card out of the box. | Sep 17 05:09 |
twitter1 | I'm not sure if it would work through USB and a USB card reader but that would be interesting. | Sep 17 05:09 |
cubezzz | Linksys WFC12 WiFi card is the one recommended for it | Sep 17 05:09 |
cubezzz | one big downer with it is the small screen :-/ | Sep 17 05:10 |
cubezzz | aside from that it's great | Sep 17 05:10 |
cubezzz | compared to my amiga 500 the sl-5500 is a powerhouse :) | Sep 17 05:11 |
cubezzz | I used to think amiga 500 was so great :) | Sep 17 05:11 |
twitter1 | I don't know. Amiga used lots of processors. | Sep 17 05:15 |
twitter1 | You might get the same effect if you made a cluster of 5500 | Sep 17 05:15 |
twitter1 | can you imagine a .... | Sep 17 05:16 |
cubezzz | one big difference: commodore gave all the tech info for amiga | Sep 17 05:16 |
cubezzz | I don't think sharp did the same for zaurus | Sep 17 05:16 |
cubezzz | but amiga is very old now | Sep 17 05:17 |
cubezzz | I could try to do irda stuff between server and zaurus | Sep 17 05:18 |
cubezzz | but wifi is probably a million times better | Sep 17 05:18 |
cubezzz | after most of my amiga 500 disks stopped working I quit working on amiga programming | Sep 17 05:19 |
cubezzz | not to mention my old old old compsec hard drive... ST157N died | Sep 17 05:21 |
cubezzz | yeah 3.5" screen on sl-5500 was very small | Sep 17 05:24 |
zlg | Amiga was Motorola 60000 family based, and the OS took alot of it's design features from VMS | Sep 17 05:27 |
zlg | 68000 * | Sep 17 05:28 |
zlg | WAY ahead of it's time too. | Sep 17 05:30 |
zlg | I got my first Amiga500 in Pearl Harbour (military PX) in 1988, and for years and years it's all I wanted, MS had nothing to compete with it, | Sep 17 05:35 |
zlg | It was also the turning point in the x86 and 680x0 CPU family wars. | Sep 17 05:35 |
cubezzz | zlg, but commodore died :-/ | Sep 17 05:35 |
cubezzz | a big pity | Sep 17 05:35 |
zlg | That sucks, | Sep 17 05:35 |
zlg | yes | Sep 17 05:35 |
cubezzz | I hear amiga 400 goes for a fair bit of money | Sep 17 05:36 |
cubezzz | $400 to $800 | Sep 17 05:36 |
cubezzz | er, amiga 4000 | Sep 17 05:36 |
zlg | Yes, I would get one, | Sep 17 05:37 |
cubezzz | ok, this cube is done :) | Sep 17 05:39 |
cubezzz | assembling cubes is boring so I IRC at the same time | Sep 17 05:39 |
zlg | I wonder if you designed an ISA card for your PC that had a 68040 on it, running native AmigaOS would be viable, AmigaOS contains alot of assembly code and the 680x0 has a different memory management system so it's hard to port | Sep 17 05:39 |
cubezzz | zlg, I would rather get linux running on amiga 4000 | Sep 17 05:40 |
cubezzz | mainly I just hack on Linux x86 or Linux ARM | Sep 17 05:41 |
cubezzz | I still have a bunch of amiga 500 c source code though | Sep 17 05:41 |
zlg | would be interesting to see how they port to linux x86, | Sep 17 05:42 |
cubezzz | I concentrated on text only stuff for a while, very portable | Sep 17 05:44 |
cubezzz | but a bit boring | Sep 17 05:44 |
cubezzz | Microsoft wasn't really even competing with Commodore | Sep 17 05:46 |
cubezzz | to the best of my knowledge, microsoft never build computers | Sep 17 05:46 |
zlg | No not in the late 80's, it was Amstrad and the likes | Sep 17 05:46 |
cubezzz | the clones (and bad management) killed amiga | Sep 17 05:47 |
cubezzz | in late 80's there were Mac, Tandys, Atari ST, and clones | Sep 17 05:47 |
cubezzz | didn't see Amstrad in Canada | Sep 17 05:48 |
zlg | in the late 70's and early 80's it was PET, TRS-80's (Trash80's), and yes the ones you said as well, | Sep 17 05:49 |
cubezzz | so for OS on home computers we had GEM, AmigaDOS, MS DOS, Tandy DOS and whatever Mac used | Sep 17 05:49 |
cubezzz | ...and Apple II's :) | Sep 17 05:50 |
cubezzz | I actually talked to commodore about becoming a dealer | Sep 17 05:50 |
zlg | and from that list AmigaOS ruled, it was a true multi-tasking, graphic and sound right platform with an advanced file systme. all on a single floppy disk. | Sep 17 05:50 |
cubezzz | but our area had one, and a couple of years later, Commodore went belly-up | Sep 17 05:51 |
zlg | rich* | Sep 17 05:51 |
cubezzz | zlg, it didn't last too long, 1985->1994 RIP | Sep 17 05:51 |
cubezzz | 9 years | Sep 17 05:51 |
cubezzz | maybe a bit longer in UK or Europe | Sep 17 05:52 |
zlg | I wrote a Forth compiler in basic on my amiga500 ! | Sep 17 05:53 |
zlg | but it sucked | Sep 17 05:53 |
zlg | worked, but slow. | Sep 17 05:53 |
cubezzz | yeah it seems that early adopters used Forth | Sep 17 05:57 |
cubezzz | for Amiga I just bought Lattice C | Sep 17 05:57 |
cubezzz | I don't think Microsoft bothered making a C compiler for Amiga | Sep 17 05:59 |
cubezzz | there was AmigaBasic though, which was Microsoft | Sep 17 05:59 |
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zlg | I dont think I had acces to C at the time, and forth was popular at that time because some company produced a CPU that executed native forth, if I had of had C that comiles, over basic interpreterative it would have helped | Sep 17 06:21 |
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schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/corporatists-vs-capitalis_b_288718.html | Sep 17 06:49 |
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fewa | wow colbert address Corporate personhood | Sep 17 07:04 |
fewa | *addressed | Sep 17 07:04 |
fewa | yesterday | Sep 17 07:04 |
fewa | Wow | Sep 17 07:13 |
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twitter1 | ah, corporate media talking about corporatism. the illusion of change and action by the powers that be. trust us! | Sep 17 07:27 |
fewa | meh it was actually pretty decent | Sep 17 07:30 |
fewa | but of course colbert is a hypocrit | Sep 17 07:30 |
fewa | that is the point of his show | Sep 17 07:31 |
fewa | also Viacom sued people of move-on.org for really just mentioning colbert | Sep 17 07:31 |
fewa | it was pretty rediculous | Sep 17 07:31 |
fewa | eff defended it | Sep 17 07:31 |
fewa | http://www.eff.org/cases/moveon-brave-new-films-v-viacom | Sep 17 07:32 |
fewa | Here is the video them claim infringed copyrights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNHqX27hlz8 | Sep 17 07:33 |
fewa | But this guy roasted Bush http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNHqX27hlz8 | Sep 17 07:34 |
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twitter1 | my goats roasted bush | Sep 17 07:59 |
twitter1 | who didn't ? | Sep 17 07:59 |
fewa | Yeah hes a member of the political establishment | Sep 17 07:59 |
fewa | unabashed propaganda | Sep 17 08:00 |
fewa | It's about condoning hypocrisy so that hypocrisy cannot be criticized | Sep 17 08:06 |
fewa | And also unabashed self interest | Sep 17 08:06 |
fewa | Short term self interest | Sep 17 08:06 |
fewa | Presenting the illusion of accountability so that implamenting the policies that the people want can be put on the back burner | Sep 17 08:08 |
fewa | As he pointed out: if money is speech than those with more money have more speech | Sep 17 08:09 |
fewa | Its all about preserving that status quo through preempting schadenfrau by laughing off the unpopular realities | Sep 17 08:11 |
twitter1 | Lot of BS about some kind of M$ payment scheme. | Sep 17 08:12 |
fewa | its called Reny | Sep 17 08:12 |
fewa | *rent | Sep 17 08:12 |
fewa | they want your computer to be their property | Sep 17 08:12 |
fewa | and have you in permanent slavery to them | Sep 17 08:12 |
twitter1 | something to do with Citibank and the failed winmob | Sep 17 08:12 |
fewa | if you don't pay your entire operating ceases to function | Sep 17 08:12 |
fewa | Its like a legal mafiaa, a racket | Sep 17 08:13 |
twitter1 | well, giving M$ your credit card is not a bright idea. | Sep 17 08:13 |
twitter1 | I doubt it will take off, Windows has retarded online retail for a decade. No one trusts it. | Sep 17 08:14 |
fewa | running any operating system that phones home is not a bright idea | Sep 17 08:14 |
fewa | especially when the default is to assume that everyone is a criminal | Sep 17 08:14 |
twitter1 | well, merging your credit card with the not so up to date mobile version of said spyware is an even worse idea. | Sep 17 08:15 |
twitter1 | my M$ Visa Cell phone, works great at McDonald's. | Sep 17 08:15 |
twitter1 | iterop with SCO, still good. | Sep 17 08:15 |
twitter1 | I wonder if McD has dumped SCO yet. | Sep 17 08:16 |
fewa | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.microsoft.com/interop/ | Sep 17 08:16 |
twitter1 | lol, thanks | Sep 17 08:17 |
twitter1 | you got 55 errors on the interop. | Sep 17 08:18 |
twitter1 | Novell page gives 188 | Sep 17 08:18 |
twitter1 | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/nov06/11-02MSNovellPR.mspx | Sep 17 08:18 |
twitter1 | sloppy program by design | Sep 17 08:19 |
fewa | Microsoft could easily write correct code | Sep 17 08:20 |
fewa | they just don't care | Sep 17 08:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WindowsServer 2003 — Just Like #WindowsXP — Gets Neglected by #Microsoft http://ping.fm/XxBhe | Sep 17 08:21 | |
fewa | they want to slow down everybody else as much as possible by forcing them to implement broken compatibility | Sep 17 08:21 |
fewa | schestowitz, you should point out that Microsoft policy states that Windows XP will recieve security patches for another 5 years | Sep 17 08:22 |
fewa | That these actions are a violation of touted policy | Sep 17 08:23 |
fewa | and advertisment | Sep 17 08:23 |
schestowitz | fewa: I think it's stated or implied in the previous post | Sep 17 08:26 |
schestowitz | It's funny, ain't it? | Sep 17 08:27 |
schestowitz | I'm sure I'll have another chance to raise the issue | Sep 17 08:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #gNewSense Gets Rid of Mono While #Mono Gets Closer to #Microsoft http://ping.fm/jkcdI | Sep 17 08:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Power of Public enterprise: FHA loans unhit by mortgage crisis lift up society in recession http://ur1.ca/budv http://ur1.ca/budv | Sep 17 08:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Power of Public enterprise: FHA loans unhit by mortgage crisis lift up society in recession http://ur1.ca/budv http://ur1.ca/budy | Sep 17 08:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Power of #Public enterprise: FHA loans unhit by mortgage #crisis lift up society in #recession http://ur1.ca/budv http://ur1.ca/budy | Sep 17 08:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @HCASAP: BROKEN NEWS: Doctor diagnose America with Acute Irritable Conjoined Government Lobbyist Syndrome as Pre-Existing Condition | Sep 17 08:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Yak shaving vs yeti shaving, by @suw http://is.gd/3mYmY | Sep 17 09:05 | |
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satipera | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8259154.stm | Sep 17 09:24 |
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fewa | lawl | Sep 17 09:40 |
fewa | BBC reporting criticism of itsself | Sep 17 09:40 |
fewa | totally no conflict of interest | Sep 17 09:40 |
zlg | that is not common where you are ? it's very very common here in Aus. | Sep 17 10:09 |
zlg | News being critical of itself that is, not encrypting data streams. but someone should tell them that encrypting the data stream is the SAME as encrypting the Audio and Video streams, which is agaist their license agreements. | Sep 17 10:19 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft’s #NathanMyhrvold in 1998: #GNU #Linux is a “Serious Competitor” http://ping.fm/fLgo3 | Sep 17 10:26 | |
schestowitz | ^ It's likely that Myhrvold will show up in the anti-Linux camp some day, so this would be valuable, I believe. | Sep 17 10:29 |
schestowitz | fewa: does the BBC outlines the drawbacks? | Sep 17 10:30 |
MinceR | some day? :) | Sep 17 10:31 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 17 10:31 |
MinceR | he isn't anti-linux yet? | Sep 17 10:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/oracle_sun_pillar/ "Pillar Data storage could be resold by Oracle's Sun hardware unit in an Oracle-Sun-Pillar combination, threatening Sun's existing HDS OEM deal." | Sep 17 10:43 |
schestowitz | MinceR: yes, but not actively | Sep 17 10:43 |
schestowitz | Wait till he passes patents for other smaller trolls to attack Red Hat | Sep 17 10:43 |
schestowitz | The Register sinks low: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/16/secondlife_alderman_class_action_lawsuit/ | Sep 17 10:47 |
schestowitz | White hats release exploit for critical Windows vuln http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/16/windows_vista_exploit_released/ | Sep 17 10:50 |
fewa | "lets put the power of government more in the hand of private industry" http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/09/16/government.app.store/index.html | Sep 17 10:52 |
fewa | Obama enthusiastic to put government operations data on privately controled servers, but says that he cant be sued for vilations of privacy violations as telling anything the executive has would threaten national security | Sep 17 10:53 |
fewa | its such dispicable hypocricy | Sep 17 10:53 |
schestowitz | Agent Obama | Sep 17 10:54 |
fewa | I guess its becuase it will be citizens personal information | Sep 17 10:54 |
schestowitz | He would not last at the CIA | Sep 17 10:54 |
fewa | and not personal information about Obama himself | Sep 17 10:54 |
fewa | its just junk | Sep 17 10:54 |
schestowitz | But he's a charismatic PR guy | Sep 17 10:55 |
fewa | Its fine to give away others information | Sep 17 10:55 |
fewa | but his own is above the law | Sep 17 10:55 |
schestowitz | Do you reckon the owners of the country already groom the man who will succeed Obama? | Sep 17 10:55 |
fewa | so much that it cant even be asked for by a judge | Sep 17 10:55 |
fewa | What shit | Sep 17 10:55 |
fewa | just pure shit | Sep 17 10:55 |
schestowitz | You can't sue him either | Sep 17 10:55 |
schestowitz | They have special immunity | Sep 17 10:55 |
fewa | according to his opinion | Sep 17 10:55 |
schestowitz | Had he been sane, he'd take GWB to court | Sep 17 10:55 |
fewa | and his court documents | Sep 17 10:56 |
schestowitz | But Obama's owners would not permit this | Sep 17 10:56 |
fewa | schestowitz, thats not really set in stone | Sep 17 10:56 |
fewa | it just happens to be what he is arguing | Sep 17 10:56 |
fewa | doesn't mean you cant sue him | Sep 17 10:56 |
schestowitz | Besides, Obama still does what his predecessor did | Sep 17 10:56 |
fewa | for violation of the law that is on the books | Sep 17 10:56 |
fewa | __Rex Lex___ | Sep 17 10:56 |
schestowitz | WHp? | Sep 17 10:56 |
schestowitz | *Who? | Sep 17 10:56 |
fewa | Soverign immunity does not mean you cant be sued | Sep 17 10:56 |
fewa | schestowitz, it means Law is King | Sep 17 10:57 |
fewa | what are you asking about? | Sep 17 10:57 |
fewa | schestowitz, also not in that article you can see how it is the government that disses the government | Sep 17 10:58 |
MinceR | schestowitz: oh, i see | Sep 17 10:58 |
fewa | says the government cant do anything, so better turn it over to unregulated private industry | Sep 17 10:58 |
fewa | Iraq, Afghanistan, Patriot act, no right to sue for those killed or tortured by US soldiers, The president is above the law, health care is sort of important | Sep 17 10:59 |
fewa | I say that if Congress cant provide health care to the people they why should the people give health care to congress? | Sep 17 11:00 |
schestowitz | MinceR: he already uses this startegy | Sep 17 11:00 |
fewa | We are paying for their health care through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program | Sep 17 11:00 |
fewa | why? | Sep 17 11:00 |
schestowitz | IIRC, Acacia bought its anti-Linux patents not so long before the suit | Sep 17 11:01 |
schestowitz | It was days/weeks after a Microsoft employee joined them too | Sep 17 11:01 |
schestowitz | fewa: cause they set the rules | Sep 17 11:01 |
schestowitz | THe only way to reverse this is fear -- make them afraid of being caught and impeached | Sep 17 11:02 |
fewa | enforce the law | Sep 17 11:02 |
schestowitz | Secrecy at the high level is intended to keep the heat down. Secrecy often implies crime/corruption | Sep 17 11:02 |
fewa | that is the job of the president | Sep 17 11:02 |
fewa | but he says that "he will look forward not backwards" | Sep 17 11:02 |
schestowitz | President hasn't much job | Sep 17 11:02 |
schestowitz | He gives speeches | Sep 17 11:02 |
fewa | all crimes happened in the past | Sep 17 11:02 |
fewa | its such a farse to his job description | Sep 17 11:02 |
fewa | schestowitz, the job as is set by the constitution | Sep 17 11:03 |
schestowitz | He's being 'indocrinated' into nodding to what proposals are brought up from industry through their elected officials whom they fund | Sep 17 11:03 |
fewa | well HR 3200 would improve health care in the US greatly | Sep 17 11:03 |
fewa | as it stands | Sep 17 11:03 |
fewa | its not perfect | Sep 17 11:03 |
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schestowitz | Obama is not a dictator | Sep 17 11:03 |
schestowitz | President is president | Sep 17 11:03 |
fewa | lots have called for single payer like the rest of the developed world has | Sep 17 11:03 |
schestowitz | it's the man who signs stuff | Sep 17 11:03 |
fewa | yes | Sep 17 11:04 |
fewa | and he doesn't have to | Sep 17 11:04 |
schestowitz | Like NAFTA! :-) | Sep 17 11:04 |
fewa | 2/3 of each house can override him | Sep 17 11:04 |
schestowitz | If not, it won't do | Sep 17 11:04 |
schestowitz | It's complicated | Sep 17 11:04 |
schestowitz | Look at 'bailout' | Sep 17 11:04 |
schestowitz | There was extoriton | Sep 17 11:04 |
schestowitz | Outright mafia tactics | Sep 17 11:04 |
fewa | But he does have to sole power to enforce the law | Sep 17 11:04 |
schestowitz | People were threatened they would be put in trouble if they did not approve | Sep 17 11:04 |
schestowitz | They blew the while | Sep 17 11:04 |
fewa | citizens can only do a little bit at their own expense through tort suits | Sep 17 11:04 |
schestowitz | *whistle | Sep 17 11:05 |
schestowitz | That there would be "Marshall Law" and Down would fall 2000-3000 points in one day if they don't sign | Sep 17 11:05 |
fewa | There are many parts of our government that are quite good | Sep 17 11:05 |
fewa | that do their job, that improve the quality of life for citizens | Sep 17 11:05 |
schestowitz | In theory -- yes | Sep 17 11:05 |
schestowitz | In practice they look after themselves | Sep 17 11:06 |
fewa | schestowitz, who cares if it falls? | Sep 17 11:06 |
schestowitz | How to get reelected and collect money from favour they gave while in power | Sep 17 11:06 |
fewa | its a friggen index of the biggest corporations | Sep 17 11:06 |
zlg | US has to kick the habbit of borrowing massive amounts of money off other countries. | Sep 17 11:06 |
fewa | its a measure of the wealth of the wealthy | Sep 17 11:06 |
fewa | not small business which make of the majority of the economy | Sep 17 11:06 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 17 11:06 |
schestowitz | BUT.. | Sep 17 11:06 |
schestowitz | THe illusion sold is that corporations make America | Sep 17 11:07 |
fewa | not government which can uplift the economy in a recession | Sep 17 11:07 |
fewa | but its a myth | Sep 17 11:07 |
schestowitz | And if companies went out of business, mom and pop stores would not exist, either | Sep 17 11:07 |
fewa | and if it fell apart we would realize the emporer has no clothes | Sep 17 11:07 |
schestowitz | So people are trained to admire the big industry | Sep 17 11:07 |
schestowitz | People like DOnals Trump | Sep 17 11:07 |
schestowitz | and OMG OBAMA! | Sep 17 11:07 |
fewa | If there are real politics it will collapse | Sep 17 11:07 |
fewa | if someone with real power decided to stand up to the thug tactics | Sep 17 11:07 |
fewa | called the bluff | Sep 17 11:08 |
zlg | business big and small do one thing that is neccessry for an economy, they employ and pay people. | Sep 17 11:08 |
schestowitz | Will it be televised? :-p | Sep 17 11:08 |
fewa | the rich really only have 2 things they control: | Sep 17 11:08 |
fewa | 1) natural resources, extremely important | Sep 17 11:08 |
fewa | 2) large industrial process, things like the big chemical companies | Sep 17 11:08 |
schestowitz | 'Contro; | Sep 17 11:08 |
schestowitz | Through expansionism | Sep 17 11:08 |
schestowitz | Obama is useful hre | Sep 17 11:08 |
fewa | everything else is controled by the people if they want it | Sep 17 11:09 |
schestowitz | In taking African from the Chinese... | Sep 17 11:09 |
schestowitz | "Look! I'm from Kenya too!" | Sep 17 11:09 |
schestowitz | Never mind family connections there with a disruptor in SA | Sep 17 11:09 |
fewa | those 2 things are the only things that would have to be "taken" | Sep 17 11:09 |
schestowitz | fewa: yes, the wages excuse is old | Sep 17 11:09 |
schestowitz | Money is just debt | Sep 17 11:09 |
schestowitz | That's how it's created... out of a debt | Sep 17 11:10 |
fewa | wage slavery is only differnt from slavery in that it is temporary | Sep 17 11:10 |
fewa | this is not a fringe view | Sep 17 11:10 |
fewa | Abraham Lincoln held it | Sep 17 11:10 |
schestowitz | Real property is not tomatoes in your garden | Sep 17 11:10 |
schestowitz | That's how capital is made | Sep 17 11:10 |
zlg | and volentary | Sep 17 11:10 |
schestowitz | fewa: also working conditions | Sep 17 11:11 |
fewa | and due to the 2nd amendment you cant institute marshell law in the United States | Sep 17 11:11 |
schestowitz | Although I think it's degrading | Sep 17 11:11 |
fewa | same in Canada | Sep 17 11:11 |
schestowitz | Opening of borders marketed as unity when it in fact it's bargaining over price | Sep 17 11:11 |
fewa | and its not open borders | Sep 17 11:11 |
fewa | schestowitz, you have not tried to cross the land borders in the united states | Sep 17 11:11 |
fewa | you get hastled | Sep 17 11:11 |
fewa | hell | Sep 17 11:12 |
schestowitz | Open-source borders :-) :-) | Sep 17 11:12 |
schestowitz | Anyone can modify the fence and redistribute the change | Sep 17 11:12 |
fewa | you even get hastled by the TSA if you try to fly domestically in this country | Sep 17 11:12 |
fewa | Papieren Bitte? | Sep 17 11:12 |
fewa | Papieren Bitte? | Sep 17 11:12 |
schestowitz | Fingerprints (digital) are mandatory now | Sep 17 11:12 |
fewa | and not secure | Sep 17 11:12 |
schestowitz | I've always wondered what they match that /with/ | Sep 17 11:12 |
fewa | they broke the digital passports | Sep 17 11:12 |
schestowitz | Unless a crime was to take place | Sep 17 11:13 |
fewa | they can create copies that say anything, that can be anyone | Sep 17 11:13 |
schestowitz | Though my German passport does have fingerprint data in it now | Sep 17 11:13 |
fewa | they created one which said it was elvis presly | Sep 17 11:13 |
fewa | its security theatre | Sep 17 11:13 |
schestowitz | Heh. | Sep 17 11:13 |
schestowitz | That's Schneier's term, I think | Sep 17 11:13 |
schestowitz | TSA theatre | Sep 17 11:13 |
schestowitz | At lunchtime they do an interlude and so a TSA YMCA | Sep 17 11:14 |
fewa | http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/03/dutch-rfid-e-passport-cracked-us-next/ | Sep 17 11:14 |
fewa | hmm cant find the origional page | Sep 17 11:15 |
fewa | described how to do it and had a video | Sep 17 11:15 |
zlg | security is not absolute, there are varying levels of security, and no security or cypher is unbreakable. | Sep 17 11:15 |
schestowitz | Maggie Shiels : Silicon Valley 'seeing revival' | Sep 17 11:16 |
schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8258119.stm | Sep 17 11:16 |
fewa | video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3185369830560352967 | Sep 17 11:16 |
schestowitz | GOogle Video is a case of duplication | Sep 17 11:17 |
schestowitz | Why has Google not fully merged them yet? | Sep 17 11:18 |
fewa | because google video is better | Sep 17 11:18 |
fewa | and old urls | Sep 17 11:18 |
fewa | that video needs to be more videly circulated | Sep 17 11:18 |
schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=awwww_football_geeks_you_too&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Sep 17 11:18 |
fewa | people dont know | Sep 17 11:18 |
schestowitz | Tell Shiels | Sep 17 11:19 |
fewa | some think that electronics are "magic" | Sep 17 11:19 |
schestowitz | Rather, that those making them are 'errorless' magicians | Sep 17 11:19 |
fewa | yes | Sep 17 11:19 |
schestowitz | And that BillG is a genius | Sep 17 11:20 |
fewa | hahahaha | Sep 17 11:20 |
schestowitz | And ALbertE is the 'smartest' man ever | Sep 17 11:20 |
fewa | yeah that one | Sep 17 11:20 |
schestowitz | It's the old idea of 'selling' brands of people | Sep 17 11:20 |
fewa | In more honest times it was called propaganda | Sep 17 11:20 |
schestowitz | The Fuhrer | Sep 17 11:20 |
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schestowitz | Omnipotent Obama... | Sep 17 11:20 |
schestowitz | Obama love you! | Sep 17 11:21 |
schestowitz | He really does | Sep 17 11:21 |
schestowitz | He looks into your eyes... | Sep 17 11:21 |
fewa | Change and Hope | Sep 17 11:21 |
fewa | infinite loop | Sep 17 11:21 |
schestowitz | And he's all about the people... blah blah... | Sep 17 11:21 |
schestowitz | Didn't he just extend the PATRIOT ACT for the 'people'? | Sep 17 11:21 |
fewa | yarp | Sep 17 11:21 |
schestowitz | /s/the/his/ | Sep 17 11:21 |
zlg | Dont forget Roy "YES WE CAN". | Sep 17 11:21 |
schestowitz | fewa: he changed. | Sep 17 11:21 |
fewa | continuing the iraq was for is people | Sep 17 11:21 |
schestowitz | Then he changed again :-) | Sep 17 11:22 |
fewa | /s/the/his/ | Sep 17 11:22 |
schestowitz | 180+180=360 | Sep 17 11:22 |
fewa | and the campaigns never talk about politics | Sep 17 11:23 |
fewa | as the people disagree with both politicians on most issues | Sep 17 11:23 |
schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=maggie_s_farm_a_follow_up&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Sep 17 11:23 |
schestowitz | "For instance, Michael Moore is getting discouraged, too. And all he's doing is trying to point out fundamental flaws in US economy, politics, and culture. Flaws that the citizens of every other country tell us and tell us and tell us that we have, and nobody listens." | Sep 17 11:23 |
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schestowitz | Funny image | Sep 17 11:23 |
fewa | I watched the Nader biography documentary recendly | Sep 17 11:23 |
schestowitz | What's up w/ him? | Sep 17 11:23 |
fewa | Its hard to fathom all the reform that guy pushed through | Sep 17 11:23 |
fewa | Clean Air Act, Airbags, renumberation of plane tickets if you are bumped, Seatbelts, Clean Water Act, Atomic Safety Act, Freedom of Information Act | Sep 17 11:24 |
fewa | Occupation Safety and Health Act | Sep 17 11:25 |
zlg | It's what Governments do ! | Sep 17 11:25 |
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fewa | Environmental Protection Act which established the EPA | Sep 17 11:27 |
schestowitz | Goldman Pillages, Goldman Steals, Goldman Sachs < http://www.marketrap.com/article/view_article/91135/goldman-pillages-goldman-steals-goldman-sachs > | Sep 17 11:27 |
fewa | the organization that test the water, makes sure it doesn't kill you | Sep 17 11:28 |
Nader was a cool dude. He should turn his attention to software. | Sep 17 11:28 | |
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fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/14/nyt_investigation_exposes_severity_of_nationwide | Sep 17 11:28 |
fewa | twitter, he did address the lock out of Car repairs | Sep 17 11:28 |
He complains that much of his work has been systematically undermined over the last 20 years, and he's right. | Sep 17 11:28 | |
I think he's due for a resurgence. | Sep 17 11:29 | |
I'd like to rant about how much Windows sucks, but I've said most of it already. | Sep 17 11:29 | |
fewa | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/05/right-repair-law-pro http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/18/EDLD17LEO9.DTL&type=autos | Sep 17 11:29 |
fewa | twitter, yes undermined http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/14/nyt_investigation_exposes_severity_of_nationwide | Sep 17 11:30 |
fewa | Also Bush cut all the funding money for the EPA | Sep 17 11:30 |
fewa | and other agencies | Sep 17 11:30 |
fewa | so that OSHA could not be enforced | Sep 17 11:30 |
I've had to put up with two annoying things at work. They won't let me use my laptop and Windows is just awful. | Sep 17 11:30 | |
fewa | *(well asked for the repubs in congress to repeal) | Sep 17 11:30 |
Can you imagine telling the physicist that he can't use the software he thinks is useful? | Sep 17 11:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Michael Moore calls for investigation of Goldman Sachs http://ping.fm/3gXQI | Sep 17 11:31 | |
They worry that I'll "steal" their precious "propitiatory data" | Sep 17 11:32 | |
fewa | If all the Airbags and Seatbelts said "Nader" the people might realize the effect he has had | Sep 17 11:32 |
but they let people browse the web with IE6 and use Outlook. | Sep 17 11:32 | |
the latest fail? I can't easily use USB sticks. | Sep 17 11:33 | |
fewa | why? | Sep 17 11:33 |
all the "drive letters" have already been mapped. | Sep 17 11:33 | |
zlg | twitter do you have access to all the ports ? | Sep 17 11:33 |
fewa | aww yes | Sep 17 11:33 |
fewa | idiocy | Sep 17 11:33 |
the IT dude told me it was easy to fix. When I looked it up, the M$ page said that I'd better make sure I backed up all of my data before I messed with mapping. I dropped the whole idea like a hot turd. | Sep 17 11:34 | |
Is Windows really so stupid that "mapping" a "drive letter" will wipe your data? | Sep 17 11:34 | |
zlg | like your FTP and TELNET ports, so you can upload and download data, plus through 8080 so it does seem stupid. | Sep 17 11:34 |
fewa | its just a friggen mount | Sep 17 11:34 |
yes. not even a mount. | Sep 17 11:35 | |
fewa | indows is so bad they have to give new names for the ideas they copy | Sep 17 11:35 |
the OS dutifully mounts USB sticks when you plug them in, it just won't let you look at them. | Sep 17 11:35 | |
fewa | so the features are not compared to their superior correlaries | Sep 17 11:35 |
fewa | its cause NT doesn't think in drive letters | Sep 17 11:35 |
fewa | that was a hack to make it have some semblence of compat with CP/M | Sep 17 11:36 |
I wonder if the OS does auto run .... | Sep 17 11:36 | |
fewa | twitter, yes it does | Sep 17 11:36 |
Yeah, everything is a floppy drive! | Sep 17 11:36 | |
fewa | runs any completely untrusted code on any mounted disk | Sep 17 11:36 |
It would be nice if they had an /etc/fstab file I could fix.... | Sep 17 11:36 | |
fewa | instead they have this great things called a registry | Sep 17 11:37 |
OK. That's enough of my rant. I'll just take longer to do my job. | Sep 17 11:37 | |
schestowitz | http://www.patriotledger.com/opinions/x1916876377/COMMENTARY-Right-to-repair-bill-shifts-control-from-dealer-to-owner | Sep 17 11:37 |
software in your car should not have owners | Sep 17 11:38 | |
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fewa | that why that law should be passed | Sep 17 11:38 |
fewa | its in the same spirit of legistation passed in the 70s | Sep 17 11:39 |
gn | Sep 17 11:39 | |
fewa | which said that the auto manufacture could not invalidate your warrenty if you get 3rd party repairs | Sep 17 11:39 |
schestowitz | nn | Sep 17 11:39 |
fewa | nn | Sep 17 11:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/news/software-freedom-day-boston-2009 | Sep 17 11:40 |
schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/tb/9kw6r | Sep 17 11:41 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @dpic Tell #Google to fulfill their commitment to open standards with #odf support for presentations http://ping.fm/vqIQD !FSF | Sep 17 11:42 | |
schestowitz | http://www.dataliberation.org/ "The Data Liberation Front is an engineering team at Google whose singular goal is to make it easier for users to move their data in and out of Google products." | Sep 17 11:42 |
fewa | http://en.windows7sins.org/ it stressed the anti-features | Sep 17 11:44 |
fewa | I really like that | Sep 17 11:45 |
schestowitz | Windows zealots might not like it | Sep 17 11:52 |
schestowitz | They attacked the FSF for it | Sep 17 11:52 |
schestowitz | Bigotry against the truth about Vista 7 | Sep 17 11:52 |
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fewa | Anti-features are one of those things that you can get accross really easy | Sep 17 11:56 |
fewa | its so self-evident | Sep 17 11:56 |
fewa | that the user is not in control when there are anti-features | Sep 17 11:56 |
fewa | and that its making your computer less useful | Sep 17 11:56 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090915/0430416199.shtml Content Owners Force Hulu To Block Mobile Browsers As Well | Sep 17 11:57 |
oiaohm | The thing is anti-features could get stronger. | Sep 17 11:58 |
oiaohm | Particularly if they are embeded into video cards and screens. | Sep 17 11:59 |
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fewa | but users dont want them | Sep 17 12:13 |
fewa | they make devices less useful | Sep 17 12:13 |
fewa | noone will go out of their way to buy something with the feature | Sep 17 12:13 |
fewa | thats why the MAFIAA constantly asks congress to mandate certain anti-features | Sep 17 12:14 |
fewa | cause otherwise noone would ever but something with them | Sep 17 12:14 |
fewa | the way Blu-ray and DVD is mandated and a private club violates alot of anti-trust laws | Sep 17 12:14 |
fewa | at least under the arguments of Real Media | Sep 17 12:15 |
fewa | *as a | Sep 17 12:15 |
schestowitz | Antrust is a good name for "DRM" | Sep 17 12:16 |
fewa | i.e. we dont trust you | Sep 17 12:17 |
fewa | yeah thats pretty good | Sep 17 12:17 |
schestowitz | Academics 'bullied' over ID cards http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4643467.stm | Sep 17 12:18 |
schestowitz | 'Ministers "bullied" academics who wrote a report criticising plans for identity cards, the director of the London School of Economics (LSE) has alleged.' | Sep 17 12:18 |
fewa | Don't speak freely | Sep 17 12:18 |
fewa | the government will come after you | Sep 17 12:19 |
fewa | Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the study was "technically incompetent". | Sep 17 12:19 |
fewa | ....and he Totally knows what he is talking about | Sep 17 12:19 |
fewa | cause he knows alot about computers and stuff.... | Sep 17 12:19 |
schestowitz | Uganda Unveils Online Gorilla Tracking http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/uganda-to-peddle-gorilla-tourism-online/ | Sep 17 12:20 |
fewa | if you critisise state actions you are "incompetent" | Sep 17 12:20 |
schestowitz | We do the same in the UK... with people, not gorillas | Sep 17 12:20 |
schestowitz | fewa: "it's the job of intellectuals to praise the leaders" | Sep 17 12:21 |
schestowitz | They are usually the first one to be assassinated in a revolution. | Sep 17 12:21 |
fewa | yep | Sep 17 12:21 |
fewa | thats exactly why they need to speek up | Sep 17 12:21 |
fewa | otherwise there will be a police state instituted and they will be killed | Sep 17 12:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.ekopedia.org/ | Sep 17 12:26 |
schestowitz | Methane mining could trigger killer gas cloud http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327254.500-methane-mining-could-trigger-killer-gas-cloud.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news | Sep 17 12:26 |
schestowitz | http://mozillaservice.org/ | Sep 17 12:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2009/sep/14/dolphin-cull-taiji-japan?picture=352924545 | Sep 17 12:28 |
schestowitz | Lnjux Format in Russian?? http://linuxformat.ru/foss-contest/ | Sep 17 12:32 |
schestowitz | Facebook Envy? MySpace Open-Sources Recommendation Framework http://mashable.com/2009/09/15/myspace-qizmt/ | Sep 17 12:33 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Open Standards for Sign Languages - http://bit.ly/pDgJY wow, mind-blowing post: do read it | Sep 17 12:37 | |
schestowitz | Cinema Admissions Rise 14.5 Percent During The Downturn < http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-cinema-admissions-rise-14.5-percent-during-the-downturn/ > | Sep 17 12:38 |
schestowitz | People escape the reality | Sep 17 12:38 |
DaemonFC | looks like Ubuntu won't be getting a new theme after all | Sep 17 12:39 |
schestowitz | Some press is pretending that's it's ending, selling fantasies to fools | Sep 17 12:39 |
DaemonFC | 2nd artwork drop consists of zOMG!!11 icons | Sep 17 12:39 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: download one, the | Sep 17 12:39 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 17 12:39 |
DaemonFC | why would more people go to the movies? | Sep 17 12:40 |
DaemonFC | that makes no sense | Sep 17 12:40 |
DaemonFC | "at £6.50 a time minus the popcorn and Coke, it’s not like the old days." | Sep 17 12:41 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, some things are the same everywhere I guess | Sep 17 12:41 |
DaemonFC | I usually just sneak in through the side door | Sep 17 12:41 |
MinceR | i usually pay via culture pass | Sep 17 12:42 |
MinceR | (sodexo) | Sep 17 12:42 |
fewa | and cinema prices are _way_ up | Sep 17 12:43 |
fewa | along with profits... | Sep 17 12:43 |
MinceR | i didn't notice that | Sep 17 12:43 |
MinceR | maybe it depends on the place | Sep 17 12:43 |
fewa | hmm maybe us is differn't | Sep 17 12:43 |
fewa | here I believe prices have gone up and viewership gone down | Sep 17 12:43 |
fewa | but revenue is up | Sep 17 12:43 |
schestowitz | Terraforming the Sahara http://heliophage.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/terraforming-the-sahara/ | Sep 17 12:44 |
fewa | and the extremely concentrated Regal Cinema chain is doing well | Sep 17 12:44 |
fewa | I was in LA and it was $11 for a friggen ticket | Sep 17 12:45 |
fewa | it was nuts | Sep 17 12:45 |
MinceR | well, i've heard that we don't really cut down spending here in hungary, despite the crisis | Sep 17 12:45 |
fewa | american did | Sep 17 12:45 |
fewa | *americans | Sep 17 12:45 |
fewa | but it does vary | Sep 17 12:46 |
fewa | California is in deep financial shit | Sep 17 12:47 |
fewa | they have a problem where most of their revenue is from income tax | Sep 17 12:47 |
fewa | so when the economy is up they are flying | Sep 17 12:47 |
fewa | and when it comes down they have serious problems | Sep 17 12:47 |
fewa | and they cant just print money like the feds | Sep 17 12:47 |
MinceR | i mean recreational spending | Sep 17 12:49 |
MinceR | obviously people buy less cars and houses now :) | Sep 17 12:49 |
schestowitz | Mozilla on FLash: Online Safety: Helping People Help Themselves < http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2009/09/16/online-safety-helping-people-help-themselves/ > | Sep 17 12:50 |
DaemonFC | California is a joke | Sep 17 12:50 |
DaemonFC | among the highest taxed state and the state is still bankrupt | Sep 17 12:50 |
DaemonFC | *states | Sep 17 12:50 |
DaemonFC | it's cause of all the wasteful spending | Sep 17 12:51 |
DaemonFC | and allowing public servants to form unions | Sep 17 12:51 |
DaemonFC | the state pays public workers much higher than any job they could find in the private sector | Sep 17 12:51 |
DaemonFC | then those people still bitch that they aren't paid more | Sep 17 12:52 |
DaemonFC | then their child protective services is all uber-liberal | Sep 17 12:52 |
DaemonFC | kids think it's funny to turn their parents in for not being "supportive" of their sexual orientation and then the state sends them to live with a foster family that does beat them or something | Sep 17 12:53 |
fewa | yeah i dont know about that | Sep 17 12:53 |
DaemonFC | they also try to put black kids in with black families to be politically correct | Sep 17 12:54 |
DaemonFC | it was in the news a while back that they did that and the black family was beating and starving the kid that they took from the white foster family | Sep 17 12:54 |
DaemonFC | they took the kid out of a perfectly good home because they wanted to make a political statement | Sep 17 12:55 |
DaemonFC | and the kid ended up being killed | Sep 17 12:55 |
DaemonFC | California is every bit as fucked up as Texas | Sep 17 12:55 |
DaemonFC | only to the far left instead of the far right | Sep 17 12:55 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "How UK oil company Trafigura tried to cover up African pollution disaster" http://ping.fm/J4QNy Usually it "doesn't count" outside the ... | Sep 17 12:55 | |
MinceR | you mean the usian sense of "far left" which elsewhere means "just a smidgeon less far right", right? | Sep 17 12:56 |
DaemonFC | then they had that voter initiative that banned same-sex marriages that the blacks and hispanics passed | Sep 17 12:56 |
schestowitz | Companies Urge US Senate to Pass GHG Reduction Bill < http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/010541.html > | Sep 17 12:56 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: No, I mean bleeding heart liberal | Sep 17 12:56 |
DaemonFC | for the most part | Sep 17 12:56 |
DaemonFC | and the minorities over there stil lstab each other in the back if the church says to do it | Sep 17 12:57 |
DaemonFC | those blacks and hispanics over there get played like a cheap fiddle by big religion | Sep 17 12:57 |
MinceR | what's liberal about that? | Sep 17 12:57 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: They're far left as far as it suits them and THEIR cause | Sep 17 12:58 |
DaemonFC | if the church said "Niggers should be slaves", they'd be up in arms | Sep 17 12:58 |
DaemonFC | if the church says "Faggots shouldn't marry" they're right there with them | Sep 17 12:58 |
DaemonFC | it's disgusting how they spent over 100 years fighting the same shit they want to turn around and impose on everyone else | Sep 17 12:59 |
DaemonFC | that's why I really don't give a shit about them if you want to know the truth | Sep 17 12:59 |
MinceR | isn't that the same all over the usa? also, how is that left? | Sep 17 12:59 |
DaemonFC | they're hypocrites | Sep 17 12:59 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: They form a voting bloc that's big enough to get whatever they want | Sep 17 13:00 |
DaemonFC | just like old people | Sep 17 13:00 |
DaemonFC | and they're liberal as far as THEIR cause goes | Sep 17 13:00 |
DaemonFC | is what I'm saying | Sep 17 13:00 |
MinceR | so they allow themselves to do anything? :> | Sep 17 13:00 |
DaemonFC | pretty much | Sep 17 13:00 |
DaemonFC | I think to achieve freedom in this country, you have to rally everyone else around a group that disgusts them more | Sep 17 13:02 |
DaemonFC | like first it was whites vs. blacks | Sep 17 13:02 |
DaemonFC | then it was whites and blacks against hispanics | Sep 17 13:02 |
DaemonFC | but everyone agreed the whole time that women were inferior | Sep 17 13:02 |
DaemonFC | now we're over pretty much all that | Sep 17 13:02 |
DaemonFC | and it's to the point where everyone is homophobic | Sep 17 13:03 |
DaemonFC | *pretty much over | Sep 17 13:03 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if 20 years from now we'll move past that and find something else to hate | Sep 17 13:04 |
DaemonFC | according to a poll I saw a while back, people in this country trust gays/lesbians, and atheists less than Muslims | Sep 17 13:04 |
DaemonFC | that's pretty low on the ladder | Sep 17 13:04 |
DaemonFC | I don't recall gays and lesbians and atheists hijacking planes | Sep 17 13:05 |
DaemonFC | or strapping bombs to themselves | Sep 17 13:05 |
DaemonFC | yet the stupid fucks in this country trust them less than Muslims | Sep 17 13:05 |
fewa | is someone talking that i have idnored? | Sep 17 13:06 |
fewa | *ignored | Sep 17 13:06 |
MinceR | fewa: yes | Sep 17 13:06 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: That's like saying "OK, well, the Muslims stabbed us in the back several times already, but we still trust them more than people that haven't ever done anything to us!" | Sep 17 13:06 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: humans have just got to have someone to hate, no matter the reason | Sep 17 13:06 |
fewa | The media wants to be seen as liberal | Sep 17 13:07 |
MinceR | choose a random team and then go beat another team up | Sep 17 13:07 |
fewa | as if the media is liberal then there is no need to seek out alternative sources | Sep 17 13:07 |
MinceR | nothing else matters | Sep 17 13:07 |
DaemonFC | maybe we should hijack planes and blow people up so we'll be as respected as the damned Muslims | Sep 17 13:07 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: whose respect do you want? | Sep 17 13:08 |
DaemonFC | I'm just saying that the world rewards cruelty and pettiness | Sep 17 13:08 |
DaemonFC | of course Christians and Muslims are higher on the food chain | Sep 17 13:08 |
MinceR | no, not the world. human society. | Sep 17 13:08 |
MinceR | the world rewards cooperation, creation, innovation and improvement more. | Sep 17 13:09 |
DaemonFC | only as far as killing others goes | Sep 17 13:09 |
MinceR | human society could get a lot further without its destructive tendencies. | Sep 17 13:09 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Even the internet was brought about by the military | Sep 17 13:10 |
MinceR | doesn't mean it had to be | Sep 17 13:10 |
MinceR | there are nonmilitary applications to a WAN. | Sep 17 13:10 |
DaemonFC | well, conflict causes rapid technological development | Sep 17 13:10 |
MinceR | conflict doesn't have to be about beating the other guy up, either | Sep 17 13:10 |
DaemonFC | necessity is the mother of invention | Sep 17 13:11 |
fewa | sustainable? | Sep 17 13:11 |
DaemonFC | I'd say that staring down another nuclear power brought about a need for invention | Sep 17 13:11 |
MinceR | what humanity is doing now is hardly sustainable | Sep 17 13:11 |
fewa | DaemonFC, what about the nuclear bombing of Japan? | Sep 17 13:11 |
DaemonFC | what about it? | Sep 17 13:11 |
DaemonFC | if you don't want a war, don't fucking start a war | Sep 17 13:12 |
DaemonFC | tough shit | Sep 17 13:12 |
fewa | Do you want to get bomed? | Sep 17 13:12 |
fewa | DaemonFC, are the people in control of that? | Sep 17 13:12 |
DaemonFC | in a way, yes | Sep 17 13:12 |
fewa | the American people don't want, and have never wanted, war with Iraq | Sep 17 13:12 |
DaemonFC | they enabled it' | Sep 17 13:12 |
fewa | shit, im ignoring you again | Sep 17 13:12 |
DaemonFC | fewa: Enough do that it continues | Sep 17 13:12 |
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DaemonFC | fewa: I'm sure that not everyone in Japan wanted war with us | Sep 17 13:13 |
DaemonFC | but enough did that they declared war and got themselves nuked | Sep 17 13:13 |
fewa | People are responsible for the predictable consequences of their actions | Sep 17 13:13 |
fewa | if you kill someone you are responsible | Sep 17 13:13 |
DaemonFC | so stupid people usually do drag you down with them | Sep 17 13:14 |
fewa | if you start a war | Sep 17 13:14 |
fewa | you are responsible | Sep 17 13:14 |
DaemonFC | well, the military strategy of the Axis in World War II was fairly stupid anyway | Sep 17 13:14 |
DaemonFC | being at war with pretty much everybody, opening a fight on every front | Sep 17 13:15 |
fewa | you are not responsible for the predictable consequences for other peoples actions | Sep 17 13:15 |
DaemonFC | they should have kept attacking and taking over small countries that nobody would have gone to war for | Sep 17 13:15 |
DaemonFC | the British would have kept trying to placate Hitler til he was already on their front porch | Sep 17 13:15 |
DaemonFC | attacking them and their allies directly meant that they could no longer pretend it wasn't their problem | Sep 17 13:16 |
DaemonFC | I'm sure the German people thought declaring war on everyone was a bad idea | Sep 17 13:19 |
DaemonFC | enough thought otherwise to royally fuck all of them over | Sep 17 13:20 |
fewa | Naomi Klein on double speak through the "good cop" "bad cop" right and left http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/14/naomi_klein_on_minority_death_match | Sep 17 13:20 |
fewa | in regards to racism and the economic crisis | Sep 17 13:20 |
DaemonFC | http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/66/04/48/10/0066044810747_AV_500X500.jpg | Sep 17 13:23 |
DaemonFC | Walmart never throws anything away, huh? | Sep 17 13:23 |
DaemonFC | http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/66/04/48/10/0066044810417_AV_500X500.jpg | Sep 17 13:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sharing is Better Than Not Sharing — New #Video http://ping.fm/1by8S | Sep 17 13:28 | |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-qRJM5750A | Sep 17 13:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Massive violations of Clean Water Act >500,000 in the last five years exposes 1 in 10 Americans to unsafe drinking water http://ur1.ca/busw | Sep 17 13:30 | |
oiaohm | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-343212.html << Hello arm processors with a bit of grunt. | Sep 17 13:40 |
schestowitz | Heh. Bundy. | Sep 17 13:42 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GFq6usPg6U | Sep 17 13:45 |
schestowitz | Microsoft buddy gives them a praise (MacDonalds): http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com.au/articles/35512-Microsoft-products-as-secure-as-open-source-Gartner | Sep 17 13:54 |
schestowitz | He probably looks forward to the next contract witht he Vole | Sep 17 13:54 |
fewa | lawl chromium now makes browsing noises | Sep 17 13:54 |
MinceR | what's the sound of one hand browsing? | Sep 17 13:59 |
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schestowitz | Hey, wallclimber | Sep 17 14:03 |
schestowitz | There? | Sep 17 14:04 |
wallclimber | yes, i'm here :) | Sep 17 14:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Turns out Free software is "THE" thing to beat now.. http://ping.fm/6cz3n | Sep 17 14:04 | |
schestowitz | Tomorrow we'll go past 7500 posts in BN | Sep 17 14:05 |
schestowitz | This included hundreds of exhibits that were turned into posts | Sep 17 14:05 |
schestowitz | We pretty much finished what was on the 'stack' | Sep 17 14:05 |
wallclimber | 7500, that's a good-sized collection! | Sep 17 14:06 |
wallclimber | "pretty much" finished? what's left? | Sep 17 14:07 |
schestowitz | Lots in the Wiki | Sep 17 14:10 |
schestowitz | I'll do one from the Wiki shortly. It lacks intrpetation | Sep 17 14:10 |
schestowitz | In many cases most of the text is missing. | Sep 17 14:11 |
schestowitz | Microsoft's last hurrah is trying to steal the FOSS movement. http://www.fiercecontentmanagement.com/story/dotnetnuke-co-founder-joins-micorsofts-codeplex-project/2009-09-16 | Sep 17 14:11 |
wallclimber | text missing from the original pdf (as in redacted)? | Sep 17 14:11 |
schestowitz | BN is one of the leading sources that counter this | Sep 17 14:11 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: no, not transcribed | Sep 17 14:11 |
wallclimber | ok, that's fixable. | Sep 17 14:12 |
schestowitz | Someone from Borland community got in touch after that last post | Sep 17 14:12 |
schestowitz | We might as well do some Borland stuff then | Sep 17 14:12 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Borland | Sep 17 14:12 |
wallclimber | (I'm reading it now) | Sep 17 14:13 |
schestowitz | I've just updated this page | Sep 17 14:14 |
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schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/px01174.pdf | Sep 17 14:16 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/On_closing_the_DEC_rat_holes_and_Borland_hacking_the_applause-o-meter | Sep 17 14:16 |
fewa | http://cheese.blartwendo.com/web21-demo.html | Sep 17 14:24 |
fewa | web 2.1 blink ta | Sep 17 14:24 |
schestowitz | New pages: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Brad_Silverberg http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Joachim_Kempin | Sep 17 14:25 |
MinceR | fewa: lol | Sep 17 14:30 |
schestowitz | "The most significant upgrade is that there is now support for the server-side blink tag." | Sep 17 14:31 |
schestowitz | So that's what the ".1" is all about.. | Sep 17 14:32 |
MinceR | there's a link to the server-side marquee tag, too | Sep 17 14:32 |
fewa | gosh the chromium browsing noises are funny | Sep 17 14:33 |
fewa | that was the least useful feature of internet explorer | Sep 17 14:33 |
wallclimber | Roy, you said someone from Borland got in touch with you after the last Comes posting. It surprises me that more of the companies that had their names mentioned (and insulted by MS execs) in those old Comes emails haven't been saying something about it all | Sep 17 14:35 |
schestowitz | MinceR: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10354530-16.html | Sep 17 14:35 |
schestowitz | GOogle=open source | Sep 17 14:35 |
schestowitz | argues Mr Asay | Sep 17 14:35 |
MinceR | why feed him? | Sep 17 14:36 |
MinceR | he does it for hits | Sep 17 14:36 |
schestowitz | To show what he's like | Sep 17 14:36 |
schestowitz | Apple=open source | Sep 17 14:36 |
schestowitz | Google=kind of open source | Sep 17 14:36 |
MinceR | i already know | Sep 17 14:36 |
wallclimber | on the other hand, i suppose none of them would be surprised at the content of those emails... | Sep 17 14:36 |
schestowitz | iPhone=== hhhhhhhhotness! | Sep 17 14:36 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: it's still useful | Sep 17 14:37 |
schestowitz | Some companies make use of these | Sep 17 14:37 |
schestowitz | When preparing legal motions | Sep 17 14:37 |
schestowitz | Groklaw too. They even cite it in some court docs | Sep 17 14:37 |
schestowitz | ECIS complaint was similar to Comes | Sep 17 14:37 |
schestowitz | Similar wording, as though it was reused | Sep 17 14:37 |
amarsh04 | it's a case of knowing it exists, and what it contains, then it's possible for another legal party to get official court copies of such documents | Sep 17 14:38 |
schestowitz | The exhibits are more or less eternal (not 'news' that lasts 24 hours on the shelf), so having it out there sorted for use is rather valuable | Sep 17 14:38 |
schestowitz | The trolls left us alone, so the garbage that used to be thrown at the site is no more | Sep 17 14:38 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/13/revised-jury-instructions-do-not-use-internet/?metro | Sep 17 14:39 |
schestowitz | MinceR: the danger is that such people become 'de facto' deciders or spokespeople for 'FOSS' | Sep 17 14:41 |
MinceR | i hoped that FLOSS would ignore such clowns | Sep 17 14:41 |
schestowitz | They try to push FSF outside the circlew | Sep 17 14:42 |
schestowitz | And then put at the centre Apple Mac lovers, people who do 'mixed source', patents, etc. | Sep 17 14:42 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Nice liberal douche video btw | Sep 17 14:43 |
schestowitz | ANd they call it "open source" and tell the press that "open source has simply evolved this way" | Sep 17 14:43 |
amarsh04 | I think that if I was on a jury again I'd only listen to strictly music stations and read books, not take part in any more on-line activities until the trial was over | Sep 17 14:43 |
DaemonFC | nice shark, pretty shark | Sep 17 14:43 |
*DaemonFC opens his wrists and gives them more blood | Sep 17 14:43 | |
schestowitz | The whole SAAS-FOSS nonsense as well | Sep 17 14:43 |
schestowitz | If you don't guard your identity, you'll lose it | Sep 17 14:43 |
fewa | schestowitz, yep u see that wikileaks on their destruction of a EU paper on free software | Sep 17 14:43 |
fewa | http://wikileaks.org/wiki/How_to_Hijack_an_EU_Open_Source_Strategy_Paper | Sep 17 14:44 |
DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_40.html | Sep 17 14:44 |
schestowitz | I think I knew who leaked it | Sep 17 14:44 |
schestowitz | It could have been leaked in other places too | Sep 17 14:44 |
schestowitz | They need support (wikileaks) | Sep 17 14:44 |
DaemonFC | or - "We want more free money cause of what y'all crackers did 200 years ago" | Sep 17 14:44 |
schestowitz | They take most of the heat | Sep 17 14:44 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: it's probably them who shot down AUssie Web censorship | Sep 17 14:44 |
schestowitz | They leaked the list | Sep 17 14:44 |
schestowitz | The German admin got a 'visit' from the police | Sep 17 14:45 |
schestowitz | And the fiasco that ensued when some barber shops or whatever was blacklisted led to the plan being canned -- for now | Sep 17 14:45 |
schestowitz | I still have my complaint about the Commission processed by the Ombudsman | Sep 17 14:45 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Some of them keep raising the 200 year old ghost of racism to try to get more money | Sep 17 14:47 |
schestowitz | wallclimber: when 'Projfct Comes' is nearly done, the Wiki will be unrecognisable. There's a lot that can be done to make it like SOurceWatch in the future | Sep 17 14:47 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: what video? | Sep 17 14:47 |
DaemonFC | no matter what they get, we're still evil and they always want more | Sep 17 14:47 |
schestowitz | Yeah, what video? | Sep 17 14:47 |
schestowitz | MinceR posted no video here | Sep 17 14:47 |
DaemonFC | yeah, he did | Sep 17 14:47 |
amarsh04 | good, I'm still waiting on a reply from my state ombudsman's office - might have to get my local member involved if they can't account for our department of transport, energy and infrastructure's lack of maintenance | Sep 17 14:47 |
*DaemonFC sorts through the history | Sep 17 14:48 | |
schestowitz | Open Source Already in Armenia http://www.huliq.com/8199/86449/open-source-already-armenia | Sep 17 14:48 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: yeah, I remembered as I typed it | Sep 17 14:48 |
DaemonFC | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/14/naomi_klein_on_minority_death_match | Sep 17 14:48 |
DaemonFC | That one | Sep 17 14:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Obama reverses position on Habeus Corpus for prisoners, supports renewal of PATRIOT act sections on financial data http://ur1.ca/buwd | Sep 17 14:48 | |
MinceR | DaemonFC: who pasted that? | Sep 17 14:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Obama drops Bush missile program in Eastern Europe sharpest reversals of major Bush administration foreign policy to date http://ur1.ca/buwh | Sep 17 14:49 | |
DaemonFC | We should round up the complainers and send them back to the third world countries their ancestors came from | Sep 17 14:49 |
DaemonFC | see how many opportunities they have there | Sep 17 14:49 |
DaemonFC | see if anyone there cares about their incessant bitching | Sep 17 14:50 |
schestowitz | MinceR: fewa | Sep 17 14:50 |
DaemonFC | all the Jesse Jackson types | Sep 17 14:50 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: i'm not fewa | Sep 17 14:50 |
fewa | which video? | Sep 17 14:50 |
DaemonFC | I could have swore MinceR posted that | Sep 17 14:51 |
MinceR | just fyi | Sep 17 14:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @scientes Obama reverses position on Habeus Corpus for prisoners, supports renewal of PATRIOT act sections on financial data http://ur1. ... | Sep 17 14:51 | |
wallclimber | lol@ DaemonFC complaining about "incessant bitching" - very funny. | Sep 17 14:51 |
DaemonFC | wallclimber: The Germans rounded up the Jews and just shot them in the back of the head and gassed them | Sep 17 14:52 |
*MinceR rounds up DaemonFC and sends him back to wherever his ancestors came from | Sep 17 14:52 | |
fewa | It pointed out that the targets of subprime lenging was largely the minorities and the poor | Sep 17 14:52 |
DaemonFC | and it's US that never hears the end of the shit black people think we did to them | Sep 17 14:52 |
wallclimber | Thank you MinceR | Sep 17 14:52 |
MinceR | np | Sep 17 14:52 |
DaemonFC | why don't they go to college if they don't want to keep selling drugs and being locked up? | Sep 17 14:52 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Sep 17 14:52 |
DaemonFC | I think I'd be locked up pretty fucking fast if I was selling drugs | Sep 17 14:52 |
schestowitz | China exterminated 60 million and USSR 40 million | Sep 17 14:52 |
DaemonFC | and it's not cause of my skin color | Sep 17 14:52 |
DaemonFC | we've let them play the race card on some of the dumbest, most unrelated shit | Sep 17 14:53 |
DaemonFC | and it won't ever stop now | Sep 17 14:53 |
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fewa | so that getting health care, education, and other services to those poor and disencranchised would have made this crisis much less severe | Sep 17 14:53 |
DaemonFC | like that Henry Gates asshole | Sep 17 14:54 |
DaemonFC | that guy is a loudmouth asshole | Sep 17 14:54 |
MinceR | william, third? | Sep 17 14:54 |
fewa | And would be a big step in undoing the stark wealth differences from slavery and after | Sep 17 14:54 |
DaemonFC | if I was breaking into my house and a confused passer by thought I was breaking in to steal shit, I wouldn't be mad that they called the cops | Sep 17 14:54 |
DaemonFC | I wouldn't cuss out the cop | Sep 17 14:54 |
DaemonFC | I wouldn't yell and scream and refuse to show my driver's license | Sep 17 14:54 |
DaemonFC | that idiot is just a big overgorwn crybaby | Sep 17 14:55 |
DaemonFC | *overgrown | Sep 17 14:55 |
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DaemonFC | it turns out that breaking into a house is something the police might investigate | Sep 17 14:55 |
fewa | Klien is being an activist | Sep 17 14:56 |
DaemonFC | refusing to cooperate and screaming at the top of your lungs doesn't do anything except underscore what anasshole you are | Sep 17 14:56 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC 's house party: http://youtube.com/?v=LMxYKkMEiAs | Sep 17 14:56 |
DaemonFC | if a white man did that, he'd be arrested and sent to jail for obstruction | Sep 17 14:56 |
fewa | not exactly what some want to hear, or things I neccicarily agree with, but I thought she made some insightful points | Sep 17 14:56 |
DaemonFC | fewa: No matter what happens, they'll always want more | Sep 17 14:57 |
DaemonFC | they'll want preferential treatment | Sep 17 14:57 |
DaemonFC | they passed "equal" years ago | Sep 17 14:57 |
DaemonFC | and now they want the law to elevate them above it | Sep 17 14:57 |
DaemonFC | all their "communal wounds" today are self inflicted | Sep 17 14:58 |
DaemonFC | they've convinced themselves that they can't do better and so they won't | Sep 17 14:58 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: tone it down bit, OK? Language and all. | Sep 17 14:59 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you have millions of people in your country refusing to integrate themselves and blaming you for all 200 years of their misfortune? | Sep 17 15:01 |
DaemonFC | or telling you that you need to pay more taxes to put them through college? | Sep 17 15:01 |
DaemonFC | or that you're the reason they went to jail for selling crack? | Sep 17 15:01 |
DaemonFC | then to top it off, someone that doesn't even live in my country comes by and takes a swipe at me over a situation he knows nothing about | Sep 17 15:02 |
DaemonFC | other than he hates America | Sep 17 15:02 |
DaemonFC | I guess it wouldn't do any good to educate someone with their fingers planted firmly in their ears who has already decided what they want to believe from 10,000 miles away | Sep 17 15:03 |
DaemonFC | unfortunately, there's enough backstabbers on the American political left who will ingratiate themselves to any group that hates this country | Sep 17 15:05 |
DaemonFC | it's just as bad as the far right wing radical Republicans, just in a different way | Sep 17 15:05 |
DaemonFC | and that video that fewa linked to is one such example | Sep 17 15:06 |
DaemonFC | people that don't live here and just stumble into the middle of an argument without any clue as to the bigger picture, fewa, make my blood boil | Sep 17 15:08 |
fewa | I live in the United States DaemonFC | Sep 17 15:08 |
DaemonFC | well, I'm sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt then | Sep 17 15:09 |
DaemonFC | I just happen to think that these affirmative action handouts cheapen the accomplishments of everyone in that group and create racial quotas that clog classrooms and workplaces with unqualified people | Sep 17 15:12 |
DaemonFC | apparently the courts are starting to see that too | Sep 17 15:12 |
DaemonFC | the case with the fire fighters | Sep 17 15:12 |
DaemonFC | the "minorities" got their asses handed to them with the same legislation they keep using to beat down white people in an ironic twist of fate | Sep 17 15:13 |
DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/us/30scotus.html | Sep 17 15:14 |
schestowitz | Sabayon is back on kde http://wgo.wolf911.us/?p=226 | Sep 17 15:15 |
DaemonFC | Sotomayor is just a liberall moonbat and a political implant, no better or worse than George W. Bush nominating Samuel Alito or John Roberts | Sep 17 15:15 |
DaemonFC | she's an anti-white racist and favors the RIAA | Sep 17 15:16 |
DaemonFC | what else do I need to know, honestly? | Sep 17 15:16 |
DaemonFC | at least in the court of appeals, she could be reversed | Sep 17 15:16 |
DaemonFC | now we're stuck with her til she dies of old age | Sep 17 15:16 |
schestowitz | Oh, look.....http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/244/ubuntu-artwork-team-starts-delivering-four-cool-themes-and-two-icon-sets-to-start-with (.Ubuntu Artwork team starts delivering - Four cool themes and two icon sets to start with! ) | Sep 17 15:20 |
schestowitz | No need to lies about styling in Ubuntu 9.10 (As though it's immutable) | Sep 17 15:20 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's a fact that a lot of people don't bother to change the default, don't know how, and shouldn't have to in order to replace an ugly theme | Sep 17 15:22 |
DaemonFC | it's like saying your car is ugly but you can always repaint it | Sep 17 15:22 |
MinceR | repainting a car is free and takes a free clicks now? | Sep 17 15:23 |
fewa | meh as long as Ubuntu fallows the established way to installation and changing of themes/artwork then having stuff pre-installed and touting it is fine | Sep 17 15:23 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, and they're pimping out Banshee and GNOME-Do | Sep 17 15:23 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 17 15:23 |
fewa | a certain class of users never change packages at all | Sep 17 15:23 |
DaemonFC | fewa: That's why good defaults are important | Sep 17 15:24 |
DaemonFC | of course, Empathy is the biggest usability regression in Karmic | Sep 17 15:25 |
schestowitz | Microsoft will dread at this sight: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62057833,00.htm?scid=rss_z_nw | Sep 17 15:25 |
DaemonFC | another piece of crapware with 10 parts and pieces entrenched into the desktop environment | Sep 17 15:26 |
Aondo | it's not that hard to shift it out with whatever you like thought :) | Sep 17 15:28 |
schestowitz | http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/09/install-proposed-comunity-themes-for.html | Sep 17 15:28 |
schestowitz | GNOME themes that Canonical offers in the box are still vastly inferior to Plasma themes | Sep 17 15:29 |
DaemonFC | GNOME suffers greatly from GTK+ limitations | Sep 17 15:29 |
DaemonFC | QT is less afraid to go through with major changes | Sep 17 15:30 |
DaemonFC | the last major upgrade to GTK+ was 7 years ago | Sep 17 15:34 |
schestowitz | jono spoke about this | Sep 17 15:34 |
schestowitz | IIRC, about a week ago on FLOSS Weekly | Sep 17 15:35 |
schestowitz | KDE4 is more stable for me than KDE3 | Sep 17 15:35 |
schestowitz | Impressive. | Sep 17 15:35 |
DaemonFC | well, a toolkit overhaul will be needed for a real GNOME 3.0 | Sep 17 15:35 |
schestowitz | Robust, reliable, consistent, well integrated | Sep 17 15:35 |
DaemonFC | if they don't bother fixing their toolkit, a new major GNOME release is pointless | Sep 17 15:35 |
schestowitz | Firefox and THumbderbird have work to do on integration | Sep 17 15:36 |
schestowitz | GUI stuff..... | Sep 17 15:36 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: KDE 3 wasn't really all that bad | Sep 17 15:36 |
schestowitz | Also, folderview 'listens' to KDE apps, not others | Sep 17 15:36 |
DaemonFC | still quite usable | Sep 17 15:36 |
schestowitz | Yes. | Sep 17 15:36 |
schestowitz | But it's the past | Sep 17 15:36 |
schestowitz | KDE3 users will soon moev to KDE4, happily | Sep 17 15:36 |
schestowitz | The same functionality is here | Sep 17 15:36 |
DaemonFC | Well, I know of some people still using KDE 3.5.10 | Sep 17 15:37 |
schestowitz | Better foundation, too | Sep 17 15:37 |
DaemonFC | my dad won't leave OpenSuse 11.0 cause it's still in the repo there | Sep 17 15:37 |
schestowitz | OpenSUSE 11.0 is quite new | Sep 17 15:37 |
schestowitz | Relatively | Sep 17 15:37 |
DaemonFC | it's not officially supported (KDE 3) | Sep 17 15:37 |
DaemonFC | it's still in there though | Sep 17 15:37 |
DaemonFC | it's optional | Sep 17 15:37 |
schestowitz | Mandriva 2008.1 had some more months to go with patches | Sep 17 15:37 |
schestowitz | KDE4 is default for OpenSUSE (11.2 | Sep 17 15:38 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yeah, but after a while, you're too many versions of things behind | Sep 17 15:38 |
DaemonFC | new kernels = more hardware that works | Sep 17 15:38 |
DaemonFC | etc. | Sep 17 15:38 |
DaemonFC | more hardware that works = I'm happier | Sep 17 15:38 |
DaemonFC | so I'm always close to the latest kernel just because I tend to buy hardware that older kernels don't like | Sep 17 15:39 |
DaemonFC | I can't use < 2.6.29 without some minor problems | Sep 17 15:39 |
DaemonFC | can't use < 2.6.27 at all | Sep 17 15:40 |
DaemonFC | on this system | Sep 17 15:40 |
DaemonFC | < 2.6.18 and POSIX threading is buggy and things like DOOM 3 and Enemy Territory: Quake Wars like to crash | Sep 17 15:42 |
DaemonFC | that's fixed in the RHEL kernels though | Sep 17 15:42 |
DaemonFC | Red Hat backports so many things that it's not really fair to say they use kernel 2.6.18 | Sep 17 15:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7527/1.html <-review | Sep 17 15:49 |
schestowitz | Palm worked here without a hitch | Sep 17 15:49 |
schestowitz | No tweaking needed, either. Plug and play even though jpilot was probably made for 2.4 | Sep 17 15:50 |
schestowitz | Linux is now 12 million LOCs | Sep 17 15:50 |
schestowitz | Good luck to MINIX writing this much code.. even HURD | Sep 17 15:51 |
schestowitz | Linux becomes the ingredient in everything | Sep 17 15:52 |
DaemonFC | HURD | Sep 17 15:54 |
DaemonFC | all 3 part time HURD developers? | Sep 17 15:54 |
DaemonFC | 12 million lines of code? | Sep 17 15:54 |
DaemonFC | sometime in the mid 2300's I guess | Sep 17 15:54 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grpwS7v-YSI | Sep 17 15:55 |
fewa | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/corporatists-vs-capitalis_b_288718.html | Sep 17 15:55 |
fewa | I don't see how he can defend capitalism like that | Sep 17 15:56 |
fewa | I can see the defense of markets | Sep 17 15:56 |
MinceR | depends on how long we're going to drag the monolithic kernel architecture :> | Sep 17 15:56 |
fewa | or having a system where people are rewarded for their actions | Sep 17 15:56 |
fewa | but capitalism is not just about free trade but about the accumulation of wealth | Sep 17 15:57 |
fewa | thats what corporatism is | Sep 17 15:57 |
fewa | he is defending a maintained free market, but conflating it with capitalism | Sep 17 15:58 |
fewa | they are two differn't things | Sep 17 15:59 |
schestowitz | Intel, IBM, and HP are run by donations, I guess. Any citations? http://www.techbirdy.com/2009/09/16/3-reasons-why-we-shouldnt-use-linux/ | Sep 17 16:00 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: they can reuse from Linux | Sep 17 16:00 |
fewa | and the BSDs | Sep 17 16:00 |
schestowitz | Companies they give GPLv2ed drivers can relicense | Sep 17 16:00 |
DaemonFC | sure, if they want to use GPL v 2 | Sep 17 16:00 |
DaemonFC | :) | Sep 17 16:01 |
fewa | all the free operating systems share | Sep 17 16:01 |
schestowitz | Oracle might have opensolaris | Sep 17 16:01 |
fewa | ideas specification and code | Sep 17 16:01 |
fewa | schestowitz, http://www.techbirdy.com/ appears to be a Microsoft bandwagon ad-runner | Sep 17 16:03 |
schestowitz | Facts versus Hype: http://sinaisix.blogspot.com/2009/09/linux-you-cannot-just-wish-microsoft.html | Sep 17 16:04 |
schestowitz | The author has unfortunately fallen victim to Waggener Edstrom's hype, which Microsoft paid hundreds of millions of dollars for. Vista 7 has the same deficiencies and it's expected to be rejected, unless one listens to Microsoft placements (Microsoft admits 'planting' stories and it got caught bribing bloggers again, some it just abuses). Had anyone tried KDE 4.3.1? Now, that's the future which is reasonable. | Sep 17 16:05 |
schestowitz | The fact is that Microsoft's profit has fallen by _a third_ twice in a row. It's dumping against Linux in hopeless attempts to starve it. Microsoft raves about fake US-only figures to pretend that GNU/Linux is not expanding in use. | Sep 17 16:05 |
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fewa | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/09/charlie-rose-nathan-myhrvold/ the video got set private | Sep 17 16:13 |
fewa | wtf | Sep 17 16:13 |
fewa | or does it work for u guys? | Sep 17 16:13 |
schestowitz | 'Laugh-In' Actor Henry Gibson Dies http://www.backstage.com/bso/news-and-features-news/laugh-in-actor-henry-gibson-dies-1004013010.story | Sep 17 16:14 |
schestowitz | Dman | Sep 17 16:14 |
schestowitz | I knew I should have downloaded it | Sep 17 16:14 |
schestowitz | Can you find another mirror? | Sep 17 16:14 |
schestowitz | No reason to retract it | Sep 17 16:14 |
fewa | I want to try to install this: http://cachevideos.com/ | Sep 17 16:14 |
schestowitz | maybe trollvold wanted the viz removed | Sep 17 16:17 |
schestowitz | No transcripts, either | Sep 17 16:17 |
fewa | try the Charlie Rose web page | Sep 17 16:18 |
fewa | I doubt it really has disappeared | Sep 17 16:18 |
fewa | Yahoo meme http://meme.yahoo.com/home/ | Sep 17 16:26 |
schestowitz | Firefox Flash check working http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145462 | Sep 17 16:26 |
fewa | "Yahoo! Southeast Asia Pte. Ltd" | Sep 17 16:27 |
schestowitz | fewa: yes, I was joking, semi.. | Sep 17 16:27 |
schestowitz | But it would be valuable to crop out the section about Linux | Sep 17 16:27 |
schestowitz | I believe that TrollVold will come over one day, probably by passing patents to attackers on Linux | Sep 17 16:27 |
schestowitz | Being prepared with information would be invaluable. Wallclimber helps us a lot | Sep 17 16:28 |
fewa | America-sources internet culture is popular in the world | Sep 17 16:28 |
fewa | *sourced | Sep 17 16:28 |
fewa | makes me think of this http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html | Sep 17 16:29 |
fewa | why Yahoo refused to be bought by Microsoft | Sep 17 16:30 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533939/amd-cheap-quad-core-chiptessier: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/16/arm_chip_design/ | Sep 17 16:30 |
fewa | Yahoo is internationalist, Microsoft is imperialistic | Sep 17 16:30 |
DaemonFC | Yahell | Sep 17 16:30 |
schestowitz | Cosmopolitan | Sep 17 16:31 |
fewa | "Yahoo had been warped from the start by their fear of Microsoft." | Sep 17 16:31 |
fewa | they were the first person to break out of the mold | Sep 17 16:31 |
schestowitz | China releases Iphone killer < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533911/china-releases-iphone-killer > | Sep 17 16:31 |
fewa | *first company | Sep 17 16:31 |
fewa | and after them Microsoft didn't matter | Sep 17 16:31 |
fewa | Google just did it | Sep 17 16:31 |
schestowitz | They distracted the Vole | Sep 17 16:32 |
schestowitz | It took Microsoft a year of a half of confusion to just rename their SE | Sep 17 16:32 |
schestowitz | And then to spend $100,000,000 marketing this new brand | Sep 17 16:32 |
schestowitz | For no gains, almost none worldwide | Sep 17 16:32 |
schestowitz | Operation Bong: Fail. | Sep 17 16:32 |
schestowitz | Just like Operation Live | Sep 17 16:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Give me your ideas on what to do next Thursday for the World Day Against Software Patents, my idea is to make a fire with some EPO patents | Sep 17 16:33 | |
fewa | Yahoo will never accept to be adopted by its big brother | Sep 17 16:34 |
fewa | the one that is no longer so big | Sep 17 16:34 |
DaemonFC | how is swfdec these days? | Sep 17 16:35 |
fewa | I guess there is a important thing made by that young terk | Sep 17 16:39 |
fewa | but not really meant | Sep 17 16:39 |
fewa | its that capitilism doesn't really matter anymore | Sep 17 16:39 |
fewa | that is, as long and computing systems stay free | Sep 17 16:40 |
fewa | because free standards and software make the barriers of entry low enough that accumulation of capital ceases to matter | Sep 17 16:40 |
schestowitz | zoobab_: nice idea. Make a photocopy first | Sep 17 16:43 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I hear gnash works well with youtube now | Sep 17 16:44 |
fewa | she how engineer get excited about the usefullness of netcat?? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=825701 | Sep 17 17:03 |
fewa | now if networking was done with the filesystem instead of a arcane Berkely Sockets this would all be self-evident | Sep 17 17:03 |
fewa | it would be obvious you could just copy a file to a socket | Sep 17 17:03 |
fewa | and then on the other computer accept it | Sep 17 17:04 |
fewa | my pulling it off the same socket | Sep 17 17:04 |
fewa | o wait | Sep 17 17:05 |
fewa | linux has that sweet | Sep 17 17:05 |
fewa | no wait only bash | Sep 17 17:05 |
fewa | which hacks it on | Sep 17 17:05 |
fewa | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=826173 | Sep 17 17:06 |
fewa | that looks cool and simple | Sep 17 17:07 |
fewa | /dev/tcp/192.1.2.3/123 | Sep 17 17:07 |
fewa | sweet | Sep 17 17:07 |
MinceR | last time i checked that was patched out of debian though :/ | Sep 17 17:10 |
MinceR | hm, the discussion mentions it too | Sep 17 17:10 |
trmanco | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/09/17/office-viewer-for-maemo5-based-on-koffice | Sep 17 17:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Drawbacks of the #Mac Computers Compared to Desktop #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/3gY6N | Sep 17 17:16 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Story of Successful Migration to #GNU #Linux and Conclusions http://bit.ly/2kuYnZ | Sep 17 17:18 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.macosforge.org/ | Sep 17 17:19 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxFormat #Tuxradar #Audiocast Released http://bit.ly/CVIdx | Sep 17 17:20 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Intel Chipsets to Boot #Linux http://bit.ly/u2c3w | Sep 17 17:23 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Version of #Shadowgrounds is Released http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14165 | Sep 17 17:26 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Shilling for DRM pushers now? | Sep 17 17:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Powers Low-powered #Devices Like Photo Frames http://bit.ly/1jzP2 | Sep 17 17:29 | |
DaemonFC | Linux Game Publishing uses mandatory internet-based activation | Sep 17 17:30 |
DaemonFC | and the product phones home to reactivate every 2 weeks | Sep 17 17:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Scribus for GNU/Linux http://bit.ly/99oJi http://bit.ly/1Ac2ZL | Sep 17 17:30 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] December's #Kernel Space ( #Linux 2.6.32) Analysed http://bit.ly/Lgt55 | Sep 17 17:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC XO Laptop Good for #Linux Gaming http://bit.ly/WqoWS | Sep 17 17:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Can Carry on Growing in #Mainframes , #VirtualMachines http://bit.ly/RXPoP | Sep 17 17:35 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New New #GNU #Linux Product is Based on #Ubuntu http://bit.ly/RArqw | Sep 17 17:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sabayon #Linux 5.0 Reaches Beta 2 http://wgo.wolf911.us/?p=226 | Sep 17 17:39 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Salix OS is Born http://bit.ly/fVNzL #gnu #linux #salixos | Sep 17 17:40 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME and K Desktop Environment Management Compared http://bit.ly/3zevsq #kde | Sep 17 17:41 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Video #Demo of the New #Android -based #Archos 5 http://bit.ly/1i1Aev #linux | Sep 17 17:46 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Wins for #Linux #Phones Under the #Android Brand http://bit.ly/4e6yL | Sep 17 17:48 | |
trmanco | http://searchengineland.com/report-ebay-drops-yahoo-search-ads-for-google-25994 | Sep 17 17:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Edit Video Online with Adobe AIR-enabled #JayCut http://bit.ly/QPbie | Sep 17 17:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's #Collusions Partner #Intel Turns Against It http://bit.ly/15AkIK | Sep 17 17:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Next #Ubuntu #Netbook Remix Looks Good http://bit.ly/5GsWM #gnu #linux | Sep 17 17:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Publish on demand public domain books http://bit.ly/9zCWf | Sep 17 17:57 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #TEENpup 2009 (#GNU/ #Linux) http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/teenpup.html | Sep 17 17:58 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.dailytech.com/Hacker+Apples+Snow+Leopard+Protections+Weaker+Than+Windows+7s/article16273.htm | Sep 17 18:11 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Thailand Grows Its #FreeSoftware Businesshttp://bit.ly/rZ3sp | Sep 17 18:12 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SoftwareFreedomDay Days Away http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27802/1162/ | Sep 17 18:14 | |
DaemonFC | "It's harder to write exploits for Windows than the Mac, but all you see are Windows exploits. That's because if [the hacker] can hit 90% of the machines out there, that's all he's gonna do. It's not worth him nearly doubling his work just to get that last 10%." | Sep 17 18:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Department of #Defence Goes with #FreeSoftware for Technical Reasons Alone http://bit.ly/Vq0xL | Sep 17 18:16 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Move to #FreeSoftware in the #UK Could Save £500m Per Year -- Claim http://www.sourcingfocus.com/index.php/site/newsitem/1780/ | Sep 17 18:22 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Flourishes in #Armenia http://bit.ly/3RLAb4 | Sep 17 18:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Licensing Scheme Inspired by #GPL ? http://bit.ly/a3mmE | Sep 17 18:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess #Publication Celebrates More Wins http://bit.ly/6KzmB http://bit.ly/1YlQ5Y http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8258501.stm | Sep 17 18:27 | |
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trmanco | http://benfirshman.com/projects/jsnes/ | Sep 17 18:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Phobia in #Government Targeted http://bit.ly/11vkrl http://bit.ly/15vGya http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20595 | Sep 17 18:36 | |
trmanco | need faster browser :| | Sep 17 18:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Millions made redundant as Facebook automated http://notnews.today.com/?p=648 | Sep 17 18:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BBC 's Tax/Web Abuse with #DRM Can Lock Out #FreeSoftware Users http://bit.ly/IWPwH http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ourwork/reports/dtt | Sep 17 18:39 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Privacy Abused by #RFID and Databases, #ASA Receives Complaint http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145464 http://bit.ly/kyQso | Sep 17 18:41 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Newegg is now using people from Microsoft ads in theirs | Sep 17 18:44 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Sep 17 18:44 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Sep-0-2009/DIY17/ and http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/black_hotness2.jpg | Sep 17 18:47 |
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satipera | http://www.huliq.com/8199/86449/open-source-already-armenia | Sep 17 18:48 |
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amarsh04 | trmanco, I use Midori if I have to use web forms extensively | Sep 17 18:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Teabaggers fail "taxes pay for services" thing, complain about public transport http://bit.ly/MQkCT | Sep 17 18:48 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Huffington Post on Killing #Patents for Ethical Gains http://bit.ly/12iflI | Sep 17 18:48 | |
trmanco | it uses canvas | Sep 17 18:48 |
trmanco | and very heavy javascript | Sep 17 18:49 |
trmanco | it only runs great on chromium | Sep 17 18:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Gains More Control Over Information http://bit.ly/S7gEa | Sep 17 18:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Op-Ed: #Vista7 -- Like #Vista -- Requires a Whole New PC http://bit.ly/EOglU | Sep 17 18:52 | |
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DaemonFC | now that's false | Sep 17 19:04 |
DaemonFC | I think schestowitz is overlooking what the article said | Sep 17 19:05 |
DaemonFC | it said that since over 73% of PC users have XP-era equipment, they may just want to throw the entire PC out | Sep 17 19:05 |
*amarsh04 is still running his 1998 era pc that came with W95OSR2 | Sep 17 19:08 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @hanekomu: blogged "Text::Pipe trademark controversy" http://bit.ly/kXOVq - please forward | Sep 17 19:12 | |
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tessier | schestowitz: Saw those AMD/ARM links yesterday and already sent them to a friend who works on marketing an ARM based netbook | Sep 17 19:32 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Do people with hair loss have "issues" in playing a game called Fallout? | Sep 17 19:47 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @bengoldacre please forward to help find the cyclists injured by James Martin and ensure a prosecution http://bit.ly/3h72s3 | Sep 17 19:55 | |
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fewa | -BNc/#boycottnovell- [schestowitz] Department of #Defence Goes with #FreeSoftware for Technical Reasons Alone http://bit.ly/Vq0xL | Sep 17 20:09 |
fewa | yes the same group that downgrades all their windows machines to vista and office 2007 on taxpayer money | Sep 17 20:10 |
fewa | although it does kinda proove that Linux is superior when they use it over Windows even though windows is essentially free to them | Sep 17 20:11 |
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cubezzz | microsoft is losing ground | Sep 17 20:16 |
fewa | yep, even in places where windows is free | Sep 17 20:16 |
fewa | ---free as in price | Sep 17 20:17 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 17 20:17 |
schestowitz | Thar's the point | Sep 17 20:17 |
schestowitz | People forget to account for price | Sep 17 20:17 |
fewa | and free as in upfront price | Sep 17 20:17 |
fewa | not maintainence and upkeep | Sep 17 20:17 |
fewa | in TCO | Sep 17 20:17 |
schestowitz | The Eugenics of Microsoft want to prevent the 'alien' OS from gaining | Sep 17 20:17 |
schestowitz | So they throw dough at the problem | Sep 17 20:17 |
schestowitz | THe problem for them is facing a million programmers | Sep 17 20:17 |
fewa | well in the example of DOD its that price doesn't matter | Sep 17 20:17 |
fewa | its not their money | Sep 17 20:18 |
schestowitz | So now they try to 'hijack' them | Sep 17 20:18 |
fewa | the DOD has over $230 Billion a year they cant even account for | Sep 17 20:18 |
schestowitz | By devouring FOSS and confusing | Sep 17 20:18 |
cubezzz | it's not money most of the time though | Sep 17 20:18 |
schestowitz | Sicne about the decade ago they've planned it | Sep 17 20:18 |
cubezzz | it's the code they want | Sep 17 20:18 |
fewa | they cant even report to taxpayers what they did with $230 billion a year | Sep 17 20:18 |
fewa | its rediculous | Sep 17 20:18 |
cubezzz | fewa, probably a new fighter jet or something | Sep 17 20:18 |
fewa | so much accounting gimmicks and stealing | Sep 17 20:18 |
fewa | cubezzz, or some contras in nigeria | Sep 17 20:18 |
schestowitz | Atomic programmes too | Sep 17 20:19 |
fewa | a few coup de tes | Sep 17 20:19 |
schestowitz | And experiments with these | Sep 17 20:19 |
fewa | coups* | Sep 17 20:19 |
schestowitz | Well, that has ROI | Sep 17 20:19 |
schestowitz | For instance, overthrow Chavez, get his oil | Sep 17 20:19 |
cubezzz | people do want freedom as in Stallman type freedom, they're just slow to realize it | Sep 17 20:19 |
fewa | schestowitz, they have oil in Cuba? | Sep 17 20:19 |
fewa | or is this about gulf of mexico oil? | Sep 17 20:20 |
fewa | o wait Chavez | Sep 17 20:20 |
fewa | my bad | Sep 17 20:20 |
fewa | The business elite *hate* Chavez | Sep 17 20:20 |
fewa | he is their biggest enemy | Sep 17 20:20 |
schestowitz | They are trained to hate it | Sep 17 20:21 |
fewa | and they really *really* hate him | Sep 17 20:21 |
schestowitz | The goals are made different | Sep 17 20:21 |
fewa | they see Chavez in everyone they do not like | Sep 17 20:21 |
schestowitz | Oppression mostly, AFAICT | Sep 17 20:21 |
fewa | they try to Red bait | Sep 17 20:21 |
schestowitz | Disguised as "capitalism" | Sep 17 20:21 |
fewa | schestowitz, you see that Democracy now interview with the Honduras Coup supporter | Sep 17 20:21 |
schestowitz | Where maximisation of revenue is the only existing metric | Sep 17 20:21 |
fewa | *lobbiest | Sep 17 20:21 |
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schestowitz | Lobbyists don't belong in society | Sep 17 20:22 |
fewa | hired to get support for the coup government in Washington DC | Sep 17 20:22 |
schestowitz | They are guns for hire | Sep 17 20:22 |
schestowitz | Democracy needs to ban those | Sep 17 20:22 |
schestowitz | They are enemies of voters | Sep 17 20:22 |
schestowitz | They work around the system | Sep 17 20:22 |
fewa | schestowitz, they are the virtual senate | Sep 17 20:22 |
fewa | they vote will dollars | Sep 17 20:22 |
fewa | veto anything that is irrational, meaning it benifits people instead of corporations | Sep 17 20:22 |
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fewa | force politicians to have two constituencies | Sep 17 20:23 |
fewa | their people, and the corporations | Sep 17 20:23 |
fewa | which are usually at odds | Sep 17 20:23 |
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schestowitz | Sculpting Sound with Boodler 2.0 http://www.linux.com/news/software/multimedia/46409-sculpting-sound-with-boodler-20 | Sep 17 20:26 |
schestowitz | fewa: yes, that's why they should be banned | Sep 17 20:27 |
schestowitz | Too many types of felons walk free as though it's to be taken for granted | Sep 17 20:27 |
fewa | its also the reason why you will face stiff resistance | Sep 17 20:27 |
schestowitz | Such as secret meetings that violate some law about foreign policy being set with secret agendas | Sep 17 20:28 |
schestowitz | I can't recall who the legislation was called after | Sep 17 20:28 |
schestowitz | But basically, a lot of politicians break this law and nobody cares | Sep 17 20:28 |
schestowitz | http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/242/enable-flash-support-for-chromium-in-ubuntu-linuxEnable Flash Support for Chromium in Ubuntu Linux | Sep 17 20:30 |
schestowitz | Does Chrome do Ogg? | Sep 17 20:30 |
schestowitz | Yet? | Sep 17 20:30 |
fewa | Chrome does OGG | Sep 17 20:31 |
fewa | it has for quite a while | Sep 17 20:31 |
fewa | Google is comitted to supporting both x.264/AC3 as wess os OGG/Theora/Vorbis | Sep 17 20:32 |
fewa | *well as | Sep 17 20:32 |
fewa | in chromium | Sep 17 20:32 |
fewa | at least in linux/mac it uses ffmpeg | Sep 17 20:33 |
schestowitz | Firefox is Zapping my Happy Linux Buzz http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/09/firefox-is-zapp.html | Sep 17 20:36 |
schestowitz | ^Weird | Sep 17 20:36 |
schestowitz | I have no such issues with Firefox | Sep 17 20:36 |
cubezzz | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/17/1747259/Old-Operating-Systems-Never-Die | Sep 17 20:40 |
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_Hicham_ | Hi All! | Sep 17 20:45 |
schestowitz | Hey, what's new? | Sep 17 20:50 |
schestowitz | YouTube will be redesigned | Sep 17 20:51 |
schestowitz | I hope it'll be better | Sep 17 20:51 |
_Hicham_ | it should use HTML5 | Sep 17 20:51 |
_Hicham_ | like dailymotion | Sep 17 20:51 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 17 20:53 |
schestowitz | http://www.truste.com/about_TRUSTe/press-room/news_truste_2009_most_trusted_companies_for_privacy.html | Sep 17 20:54 |
schestowitz | ebay most trusted band , it says | Sep 17 20:54 |
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_goblin | hi all... | Sep 17 20:55 |
_Hicham_ | no, I am the most trusted | Sep 17 20:55 |
_Hicham_ | hi _goblin | Sep 17 20:55 |
schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHuC3.K7Dclo | Sep 17 20:55 |
_goblin | roy, what was that thing on your site about re: correction or something.... | Sep 17 20:56 |
schestowitz | _goblin comes out of the woodwork | Sep 17 20:56 |
schestowitz | _goblin: ? | Sep 17 20:56 |
_goblin | I'll link.... | Sep 17 20:56 |
schestowitz | WHat's that? | Sep 17 20:56 |
schestowitz | Maybe old something | Sep 17 20:56 |
_goblin | I was reading it on a PDA so I may have misread.... | Sep 17 20:56 |
_goblin | ah.... | Sep 17 20:57 |
_goblin | it was http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/17/gnewsense-throws-mono-out/ | Sep 17 20:57 |
_goblin | but now I see it correctly | Sep 17 20:57 |
_goblin | I understand now... | Sep 17 20:57 |
schestowitz | Was it ambiguous? | Sep 17 20:57 |
_goblin | the MDA was displaying text wrongly...it made no sense.... | Sep 17 20:58 |
_goblin | it does now Im at home. | Sep 17 20:58 |
schestowitz | Good post there from you | Sep 17 20:58 |
schestowitz | I made some progress on the Wiki | Sep 17 20:58 |
_goblin | Ive actually recieved a little hate because of my gnewsense article. | Sep 17 20:59 |
_goblin | it appears it has a loyal fan base which didnt take kindly to being called "old software" | Sep 17 20:59 |
_goblin | which is great, because I felt bad saying my opinions and at least my view can be balanced by users of it... | Sep 17 21:00 |
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cubezzz | which PDA? | Sep 17 21:02 |
schestowitz | It's not really old softare | Sep 17 21:03 |
schestowitz | Old is XP (2001) | Sep 17 21:03 |
schestowitz | Or OS X Panther | Sep 17 21:03 |
schestowitz | Sweepups: http://ostatic.com/blog/is-open-source-m-a-set-to-go-on-a-tear (Is Open Source M&A Set to Go On a Tear? | Sep 17 21:04 |
cubezzz | 2.4.6 is pretty old, still works though | Sep 17 21:04 |
schestowitz | How does not drive progress? | Sep 17 21:04 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: Linux? | Sep 17 21:05 |
schestowitz | 2001ish? | Sep 17 21:05 |
cubezzz | yes, zaurus sl-5500 around 2002 I think | Sep 17 21:05 |
schestowitz | Red Hat 2/3 is supported, so they must be patching it, still | Sep 17 21:05 |
schestowitz | A lot of Red Hat staff must be dedicated just to maintenance | Sep 17 21:05 |
cubezzz | in theory if you have the source you can support it | Sep 17 21:05 |
schestowitz | What happens when we reach 2.6.99? | Sep 17 21:06 |
cubezzz | is there a 2.7 and 2.8? | Sep 17 21:06 |
schestowitz | Don't know | Sep 17 21:06 |
schestowitz | They never seem to talk about it | Sep 17 21:06 |
schestowitz | They thought of changing to year # | Sep 17 21:06 |
schestowitz | Like 2009.9 for 2.6.1 | Sep 17 21:06 |
schestowitz | *2.6.31 | Sep 17 21:07 |
schestowitz | It never came through | Sep 17 21:07 |
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_Hicham_ | there won't be 2.8 | Sep 17 21:08 |
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cubezzz | I'm pretty sure there is a 2.7 | Sep 17 21:08 |
_Hicham_ | kernel 2.6 is near perfection | Sep 17 21:08 |
cubezzz | sorry, looks like I'm wrong | Sep 17 21:10 |
cubezzz | not sure what's going on actually | Sep 17 21:11 |
_goblin | cubezzz: sorry not PDA, MDA (Mail) | Sep 17 21:11 |
cubezzz | _goblin, ah ok | Sep 17 21:11 |
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_goblin | and roy: yes bad choice of words....not old software.... | Sep 17 21:12 |
_goblin | sorry I am being bombarded at the moment by mail and all sorts! | Sep 17 21:12 |
schestowitz | EU should be forcing Oracle to give MySQL indpendence: http://ostatic.com/blog/another-day-another-reason-to-fret-over-mysqls-fate | Sep 17 21:13 |
cubezzz | mysql is under gpl yes? | Sep 17 21:13 |
schestowitz | _goblin: hate mail? :-p | Sep 17 21:13 |
schestowitz | I had some potential pretexter today trying to do a little job on me. | Sep 17 21:14 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: yes | Sep 17 21:14 |
schestowitz | Not the brand | Sep 17 21:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I suppose in that sense you could make that analogy, but then one could apply that to Team sports or similar... | Sep 17 21:14 | |
_goblin | yep, theres a few who didnt like my review. | Sep 17 21:16 |
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schestowitz | I warned you about it...... | Sep 17 21:17 |
fewa | youtube will use HTML5 | Sep 17 21:18 |
fewa | but it will use x.264..... :( | Sep 17 21:18 |
fewa | under current plans | Sep 17 21:18 |
_goblin | no matter...my posting integrity is worth far more than popularity......I always stand by what I say. | Sep 17 21:18 |
schestowitz | "The Government could scrap a part of defamation law that makes newspapers liable many times for material in a single article. The Government may prevent people suing every time a web page 'publishes' an article." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/libel_law_review/ | Sep 17 21:18 |
fewa | But hey, that format has alot of free software implamentations | Sep 17 21:18 |
schestowitz | fewa: maybe converters would be nice | Sep 17 21:19 |
cubezzz | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/09/17/1651235/Student-Designs-Cardboard-Computer-Case | Sep 17 21:19 |
schestowitz | Services that filter the stream as Ogg and deliver it | Sep 17 21:19 |
schestowitz | Alll sorts of possibilities........ | Sep 17 21:19 |
_goblin | Lol.....that article Roy is pointless....use "allegedly" and you are untouchable.....IMO | Sep 17 21:19 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: lots like this was done before | Sep 17 21:19 |
fewa | schestowitz, have you read the position of the ffmpeg site | Sep 17 21:20 |
fewa | http://ffmpeg.org/legal.html | Sep 17 21:20 |
schestowitz | I never read it | Sep 17 21:20 |
schestowitz | Businesses might care more | Sep 17 21:20 |
fewa | seems fairly straight forward | Sep 17 21:20 |
schestowitz | Not home users who just want their media in free formats | Sep 17 21:20 |
fewa | oh hmm it changed | Sep 17 21:21 |
schestowitz | Street View stalks Swiss data protection bureau < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/street_view_data_protection/ > | Sep 17 21:21 |
schestowitz | Watch photo | Sep 17 21:21 |
schestowitz | I guess openstreet map may never have this fine-level data :-) | Sep 17 21:21 |
fewa | it had more pizazz before | Sep 17 21:21 |
cubezzz | I think my zaurus might be non-plastic, it looks like it's aluminium | Sep 17 21:21 |
cubezzz | cardboard = recycleable, aluminium = recycleable, plastic = bzzzzz | Sep 17 21:22 |
fewa | said that if you can't be safe on anything if you are in a jurisdiction that observes software patents | Sep 17 21:22 |
schestowitz | News anchor tells weatherman to 'keep f**king that chicken' < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/keep_plucking_that_chicken/ > | Sep 17 21:23 |
schestowitz | FOX | Sep 17 21:23 |
schestowitz | fewa: Next I'll watch the Fox collection | Sep 17 21:23 |
schestowitz | THe films I've watched recently were too depressing, so seeing Fox owned will be funny | Sep 17 21:23 |
schestowitz | Twitter slaps itself with $1bn price tag < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/17/twitter_funding/ > | Sep 17 21:24 |
fewa | smart | Sep 17 21:25 |
schestowitz | There are so many me-too start-ups in social media | Sep 17 21:25 |
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sebsebseb | hi | Sep 17 21:25 |
schestowitz | None are trult unqique, vast majority fails at birth | Sep 17 21:26 |
schestowitz | Hi, sebsebseb | Sep 17 21:26 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Hi Roy | Sep 17 21:26 |
schestowitz | Vista in "less good product" shocker http://itsneak.v3.co.uk/2009/09/vista-in-less-g.html | Sep 17 21:27 |
fewa | you can only success if you are new | Sep 17 21:27 |
fewa | or if you have a massive email list of people to spam to get it started | Sep 17 21:27 |
fewa | the latter is how myspace was started | Sep 17 21:27 |
fewa | it shows that it was not designed by those with original ideas or extraordinary skills | Sep 17 21:28 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is now trying to dump Vista7 on academics here for 30 quid | Sep 17 21:28 |
schestowitz | Shades of those academic kickbacks and EDGI | Sep 17 21:29 |
schestowitz | They won't make much profit though | Sep 17 21:29 |
fewa | It would like them to have it for free | Sep 17 21:29 |
schestowitz | They changed how they report earnings | Sep 17 21:29 |
fewa | every bit that they use it helps them | Sep 17 21:29 |
schestowitz | So expect weird things in Oct. | Sep 17 21:29 |
fewa | as academia, esp tech is where they are losing massively | Sep 17 21:29 |
fewa | at least those who are actually productive and care about tech | Sep 17 21:29 |
schestowitz | It bother me that some Linux people get sucked into the hype without trying the thing | Sep 17 21:29 |
schestowitz | As if, "I heard people like it, what will we do?" | Sep 17 21:30 |
schestowitz | It was the same with Vista | Sep 17 21:30 |
fewa | ie this: http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html | Sep 17 21:30 |
schestowitz | Microsoft PR hype | Sep 17 21:30 |
_goblin | finally built an up to date Chromium.... | Sep 17 21:30 |
schestowitz | fewa: in Russia for example..... | Sep 17 21:30 |
schestowitz | They give upgrade discounts | Sep 17 21:30 |
schestowitz | Not product | Sep 17 21:30 |
schestowitz | Just discount | Sep 17 21:30 |
schestowitz | Like giving someone a voucher deductable | Sep 17 21:31 |
_Hicham_ | _goblin : how much time did it take ? | Sep 17 21:31 |
schestowitz | Which in turn only forces one to actually buy the product for coupon redemption | Sep 17 21:31 |
schestowitz | Dirty tricks | Sep 17 21:31 |
schestowitz | They tried it in Russian schools | Sep 17 21:31 |
schestowitz | Maybe in Kazakh govt now | Sep 17 21:31 |
schestowitz | At stake: ODF and FOSS in that nation | Sep 17 21:31 |
fewa | disgusting | Sep 17 21:31 |
schestowitz | They might try to 'quinn' those in change | Sep 17 21:31 |
fewa | the BillG foundation pushes MS in schools here | Sep 17 21:32 |
schestowitz | Ha | Sep 17 21:32 |
schestowitz | It pushes many thing | Sep 17 21:32 |
fewa | they practically own the schools as they provide so much of the money | Sep 17 21:32 |
schestowitz | Pusher Foundation | Sep 17 21:32 |
schestowitz | fewa: well, they make money from them, too | Sep 17 21:32 |
fewa | The Gates foundation can dictate how teaching is done | Sep 17 21:32 |
schestowitz | It's like me giving 'charity' for a client to come back | Sep 17 21:32 |
schestowitz | Cycle/transaction | Sep 17 21:33 |
fewa | As they hold the purse strings | Sep 17 21:33 |
fewa | these things I know as fact | Sep 17 21:33 |
fewa | and from people in the system | Sep 17 21:33 |
schestowitz | How the Microsoft Kickbacks Cycle Works http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/microsoft-kickbacks-cycle/ | Sep 17 21:33 |
fewa | and they do dictate | Sep 17 21:33 |
schestowitz | it's the same in other levels | Sep 17 21:34 |
schestowitz | Like govt | Sep 17 21:34 |
schestowitz | They provide bribes and contributions | Sep 17 21:35 |
schestowitz | Armies, schools, even chrches. | Sep 17 21:35 |
fewa | Its not a charity if the money was made illegally | Sep 17 21:35 |
schestowitz | But it's the point.... the cycle carries on | Sep 17 21:35 |
schestowitz | Criminal makes money to use this money to keep 'clean' | Sep 17 21:36 |
trmanco | http://diveintopython3.org/ | Sep 17 21:36 |
schestowitz | Others did it before Gates | Sep 17 21:36 |
schestowitz | The public is scammed cause of the media | Sep 17 21:36 |
schestowitz | They shower awards upon themselves | Sep 17 21:36 |
fewa | Manufacture of Consent | Sep 17 21:36 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u do some python ? | Sep 17 21:36 |
fewa | such a perfect catch phrase | Sep 17 21:36 |
schestowitz | Comics - Learn how ZFS safeguards your data < http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2009/09/comics-learn-how-zfs-safeguards-your.html > | Sep 17 21:37 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, I juse use it | Sep 17 21:37 |
schestowitz | *just | Sep 17 21:37 |
schestowitz | fewa: or "engineering' | Sep 17 21:37 |
schestowitz | The press is not independent | Sep 17 21:37 |
schestowitz | That which *is* will be described as bad or bitter | Sep 17 21:37 |
fewa | I like manufactured | Sep 17 21:37 |
schestowitz | The consesus defines accuracy | Sep 17 21:38 |
_goblin | poor monty..."Most reactions have been quite positive" (in respect of codeplex) | Sep 17 21:38 |
schestowitz | So that which deviated from trend-setting media will be called "nutter" or some such | Sep 17 21:38 |
_goblin | yet everyone whose posted on his blog has a problem with it....not one good comment. | Sep 17 21:38 |
schestowitz | That's the 'beauty' of the propaganda model :-) | Sep 17 21:38 |
fewa | shows the competitiipon | Sep 17 21:38 |
schestowitz | I bet you recognise the wording | Sep 17 21:38 |
fewa | those who govern best govern least | Sep 17 21:38 |
schestowitz | fewa: see the figure from the book | Sep 17 21:39 |
schestowitz | TRUTH -> machines -> RTUTH | Sep 17 21:39 |
fewa | the media that propagandizes most wins | Sep 17 21:39 |
_goblin | he's failed to post two of my responses....particularly the one that mentioned all the MS staff on the Codeplex board.... | Sep 17 21:39 |
fewa | thats the capital market of influence | Sep 17 21:39 |
schestowitz | _goblin: well, he read it | Sep 17 21:39 |
schestowitz | He doesn't think it's good for him to show | Sep 17 21:39 |
schestowitz | Censor... shame on it | Sep 17 21:39 |
_goblin | yep..... | Sep 17 21:40 |
_goblin | its ok though...Ill simply respond to him on my blog and link to his article.....he can't censor that. | Sep 17 21:40 |
_goblin | It worked for Icaza.... | Sep 17 21:40 |
wallclimber | goblin, where is your blog? | Sep 17 21:40 |
_goblin | www.openbytes.wordpress.com | Sep 17 21:41 |
fewa | the never ending war for the hearts and minds of men | Sep 17 21:41 |
wallclimber | :) | Sep 17 21:41 |
_goblin | oooh I must learn to promote better. | Sep 17 21:41 |
fewa | anyways gn | Sep 17 21:41 |
schestowitz | _goblin: here's a new one to review: | Sep 17 21:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.lightcubesolutions.com/blog/?p=78 | Sep 17 21:41 |
schestowitz | Just released | Sep 17 21:41 |
schestowitz | Or announced at least | Sep 17 21:41 |
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schestowitz | _goblin: thanks for the links | Sep 17 21:41 |
schestowitz | The Broken Windows guy asked me to link, but Bn doesn't do blogrolls and stuff. Never did. | Sep 17 21:42 |
schestowitz | nn, fewa | Sep 17 21:42 |
schestowitz | Heh. "Official Partners: OpenBytes" | Sep 17 21:43 |
schestowitz | Ooh, NSFW. http://www.broken-windows.org/fandom.php | Sep 17 21:43 |
_goblin | links? | Sep 17 21:43 |
_goblin | you mean your logo on the OB site? | Sep 17 21:44 |
schestowitz | Yes. | Sep 17 21:44 |
_goblin | I am just getting my blog organised....however I may be removing broken windows..... | Sep 17 21:44 |
_goblin | it seems to have a overpowering support of MAC....... | Sep 17 21:45 |
_goblin | not as balanced as I would have liked. | Sep 17 21:45 |
trmanco | http://get.live.com/messenger/overview. | Sep 17 21:45 |
trmanco | see if you can enter | Sep 17 21:45 |
_goblin | I dont mind MAC champions as long as its on an equal footing to everything else.... | Sep 17 21:46 |
MinceR | Message Authentication Code? | Sep 17 21:46 |
MinceR | Mandatory Access Control? | Sep 17 21:46 |
trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9l5us/asking_rlinux_is_ms_blocking_linux_from_accessing/ | Sep 17 21:46 |
MinceR | Media Access Control? | Sep 17 21:46 |
schestowitz | Antitrust Enforcement: Focus on Criminal Cartels < http://www.linexlegal.com/content.php?content_id=107948 > | Sep 17 21:46 |
schestowitz | They should start with Intel/Microsoft | Sep 17 21:46 |
schestowitz | Obvious proven collusion there | Sep 17 21:46 |
schestowitz | There are many more. | Sep 17 21:46 |
schestowitz | MinceR: MACaroni and CHEESE! | Sep 17 21:47 |
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_goblin | Microsoft and Copyright | Sep 17 21:52 |
_goblin | ? | Sep 17 21:52 |
_goblin | can't think of any others... | Sep 17 21:52 |
_goblin | sorry, just finished work....used to typing names in capitals... | Sep 17 21:53 |
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_goblin | I'm surprised my ITV article only received one comment......for me that was great news and a big deal. | Sep 17 21:55 |
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schestowitz | Agh! I'm tired of the "US != World" misunderstanding. | Sep 17 22:02 |
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schestowitz | I am astounded to find that some people refuse to accept that outside the English-speaking press there are very different trends that are rarely measured. They make suppositions based on what marketing firms like Net Apps tell them. | Sep 17 22:02 |
schestowitz | _goblin: Register got most of the attention | Sep 17 22:02 |
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_goblin | great youtube link coming up.....a troll gets exposed on TV (from USENET)....its not a Microsoft shill but it gives you the idea of the mindset of people who troll.... | Sep 17 22:08 |
_goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7pU7Ki6cAI | Sep 17 22:08 |
_goblin | by the way its old.... | Sep 17 22:08 |
schestowitz | BiasBC: | Sep 17 22:09 |
schestowitz | Some set-top boxes use open source operating systems such as Linux, and this has meant they can be offered much cheaper to consumers. | Sep 17 22:09 |
schestowitz | Open source software is generally free of charge and the underlying code can be modified by anyone without fear of trampling on intellectual property or copyright. | Sep 17 22:09 |
schestowitz | Critics of the BBC's request say that open source licenses are incompatible with the regulations because DRM locks down software so that it cannot be altered by the user. | Sep 17 22:09 |
schestowitz | As a result, it would be harder for manufacturers which use open source software to obtain the necessary permissions from the BBC, effectively pushing them out of the market. | Sep 17 22:09 |
schestowitz | From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8259154.stm | Sep 17 22:09 |
schestowitz | BBC uses itself to defend iself. Appalling | Sep 17 22:09 |
schestowitz | And they use propaganda terms, e g : | Sep 17 22:09 |
schestowitz | "Mr Watson is also not convinced by the piracy argument." | Sep 17 22:09 |
schestowitz | Piracy?????// | Sep 17 22:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Linux Mint 7 “Gloria” XCFE CE Review http://tinyurl.com/nlrsdv | Sep 17 22:12 | |
schestowitz | IGEL is till a little rotten. http://www.realwire.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=13618 | Sep 17 22:13 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] How UK oil company Trafigura tried to cover up African pollution disaster | World news | The Guardian http://tinyurl.com/ldflre | Sep 17 22:17 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I'm back! | Sep 17 22:18 | |
schestowitz | jono: happy birthday, brother | Sep 17 22:26 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb they might not care as long as 'they' get killed. Same with electronic garbage they dump in Africa ('export' as 'charity'). | Sep 17 22:26 | |
jono | schestowitz, cheers, buddy :) | Sep 17 22:26 |
schestowitz | Citrix has just joined LF. Very weird. Who's next? SCO? | Sep 17 22:28 |
MinceR | m$! | Sep 17 22:31 |
schestowitz | InfoWeek is paid by Microsoft to sneak in ads: | Sep 17 22:32 |
schestowitz | "Attend this Windows 7 virtual event to gain exclusive access to our one-stop information destination, packed with resources to guide you in your decision-making process. Sept. 30, 2009. Find out more and register. " | Sep 17 22:32 |
schestowitz | More hype, artifically created | Sep 17 22:32 |
schestowitz | MinceR: it's already got Novell in. | Sep 17 22:32 |
schestowitz | Novell puts hyper-v hooks in | Sep 17 22:32 |
MinceR | i know | Sep 17 22:32 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is a large company | Sep 17 22:32 |
schestowitz | It doesn't need THE WHOLE company to join | Sep 17 22:33 |
MinceR | well, it turned out the hyper-v hooks were good for getting patent licenses from m$ :> | Sep 17 22:33 |
schestowitz | Just the MonoX divisiom | Sep 17 22:33 |
MinceR | yet citrix has joined now | Sep 17 22:33 |
MinceR | it's only logical that $co and m$ will follow suit too :> | Sep 17 22:33 |
zlg | saw on the news the other day I think the US is allowing embedding of advertisements in shows and movies, (more). so expect to see lots of computer screens and MS logo's. | Sep 17 22:40 |
schestowitz | MinceR: Microsoft could because of that last patch thingie | Sep 17 22:41 |
schestowitz | Microsoft joining at some capacity would confuse the foundation | Sep 17 22:41 |
schestowitz | It would also help daemonise critics of Microsoft | Sep 17 22:42 |
schestowitz | Perfect situation for them | Sep 17 22:42 |
Diablo-D3 | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/TIlmaYw0RJg/mcdonalds-lamp-post-makes-me-doubt-my-mental-sanity-even-more | Sep 17 22:42 |
Diablo-D3 | what | Sep 17 22:42 |
schestowitz | Pretending to be friends while attacking | Sep 17 22:42 |
schestowitz | SCO was a member of the Linux family when it attacked Linux | Sep 17 22:42 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: LOL | Sep 17 22:43 |
Diablo-D3 | I'm pretty sure if I saw that on the street I'd run away screaming | Sep 17 22:44 |
schestowitz | They take over the culture. | Sep 17 22:45 |
schestowitz | It's a good think Pfizer doesn't do street decor | Sep 17 22:45 |
schestowitz | Heck. Taser!! | Sep 17 22:45 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/17/microsoft-co-founder-paul-allen-sells-lte-spectrum-to-atandt-in-da/ | Sep 17 22:45 |
Diablo-D3 | what a dick | Sep 17 22:45 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: DUDE | Sep 17 22:46 |
Diablo-D3 | I totally want a giant penis lamppost for viagra now | Sep 17 22:46 |
schestowitz | I dislike Allen | Sep 17 22:46 |
schestowitz | He does some bad things | Sep 17 22:46 |
Diablo-D3 | that would make my day | Sep 17 22:46 |
amarsh04 | Simon Callow made a few comments about the presence of golden arches in places better known for famous classical composers | Sep 17 22:46 |
schestowitz | Though his venture fell apart | Sep 17 22:46 |
schestowitz | $26bn in debt iirc | Sep 17 22:46 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: it pisses me off allen sold it to at&t | Sep 17 22:46 |
schestowitz | He also tried doing a sort of $2000 netbook | Sep 17 22:46 |
schestowitz | It got nowhere | Sep 17 22:46 |
Diablo-D3 | I'd rather it be sold to google | Sep 17 22:46 |
schestowitz | Utter big fail | Sep 17 22:46 |
schestowitz | And the reviews were bad too | Sep 17 22:46 |
schestowitz | He's like Gates... lacking taste | Sep 17 22:47 |
schestowitz | But Gates is more criminal-minded, so he manages to force his robbush upon OEMs that give it to consumers | Sep 17 22:47 |
MinceR | $2000 is not a netbook, it's a subnotebook (older terminology) or an ultraportable (newer terminology) ;) | Sep 17 22:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] 16 non-free packages, 0.8% of 1943 installed packages. 7 contrib packages, 0.4% of 1943 installed packages. | Sep 17 22:49 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: I was exaggerating | Sep 17 22:51 |
schestowitz | $2000 just sounds TOO funny | Sep 17 22:51 |
schestowitz | That was BEFORE they came | Sep 17 22:51 |
schestowitz | Like half a year beforehand | Sep 17 22:51 |
MinceR | well, a Lenovo X-series comes close :> | Sep 17 22:51 |
MinceR | s/vo/vo ThinkPad/ | Sep 17 22:51 |
schestowitz | I can produce some links if you're interested | Sep 17 22:51 |
schestowitz | Hold on... | Sep 17 22:51 |
MinceR | bit too big for a netbook, though | Sep 17 22:51 |
MinceR | (12" as opposed to up to 10" or 11") | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | Linux and FlipStart | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | On the subject of Linux, one reader recently asked whether Paul Allen's new | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | FlipStart miniature computer had been tested for use with the open-source | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | operating system... | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | "We have tested various flavors of Linux on FlipStart and it will | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | run just fine..." | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | `---- | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/113347.asp | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | Review: the Little Laptop That Can't | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | I wanted to write this review on the FlipStart -- I really did. But | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | after a few sentences, my wrists hurt, my thumbs felt clumsier | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | than ever, my eyes were scrunched and my shoulders were hunched. | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | When the pricey FlipStart hits the market the last week of March, | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | | I bet I won't be the only average consumer who takes a pass. | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | `---- | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070322/tech_test_flipstart.html?.v=1 | Sep 17 22:52 |
schestowitz | It figures. | Sep 17 22:52 |
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Diablo-D3 | http://www.cinematical.com/2009/09/17/henry-gibson-1935-2009/ | Sep 17 22:53 |
MinceR | it's not like it could be expected from allen to make a product that doesn't suck | Sep 17 22:53 |
MinceR | hm, looks like a really bad Sharp (what-is-it-called) knockoff | Sep 17 22:54 |
schestowitz | Very strong day for Linux today | Sep 17 22:54 |
MinceR | even the pointing device is in the same place | Sep 17 22:54 |
schestowitz | Let me Twit some more, back in irc in an hour | Sep 17 22:54 |
amarsh04 | hmm... I'm on about 27 non-free packages (many of them documentation or fonts) with 2604 packages installed | Sep 17 22:55 |
MinceR | Sharp PC-Z1 | Sep 17 22:56 |
MinceR | Yahoo - Document Has Expired | Sep 17 22:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Learn GNU/Linux and Make a Living http://bit.ly/vHeRT | Sep 17 23:02 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New Movements of #HewlettPackard to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/hm51b | Sep 17 23:04 | |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.tuaw.com/2009/09/17/heres-your-chance-to-own-the-first-mac-plus-off-the-production/ | Sep 17 23:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 'Donations' a Case of #AbuseofPower Disguised as Goodwill http://bit.ly/ao6dx | Sep 17 23:06 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Build an Uberworkstation with #GNU Linux http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6846/1/ | Sep 17 23:08 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Build an Uberworkstation with #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6846/1/ | Sep 17 23:08 | |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: http://aidenvdh.rootnode.net/fun_gallery/imgs/all_the_ppl_that_care.jpg | Sep 17 23:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Wannabe #Citrix Joins the #Linux Family http://bit.ly/BwEVu Motives? Just Xen? | Sep 17 23:10 | |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: hah | Sep 17 23:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Gets Previously-Windows-Only Applications: #Chrome , #Nero 4 http://bit.ly/mCoXJ http://bit.ly/tBFDF | Sep 17 23:17 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LightCube OS ( #GNU #Linux #Distribution ) is Conceived http://bit.ly/pMzMX | Sep 17 23:19 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WashintonPost Covers #Clonezilla ( #Linux ) http://bit.ly/B93KU | Sep 17 23:20 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Naffis Targets #RedHat Servers for Proprietary (Micro)Blogging http://bit.ly/14YfNE | Sep 17 23:23 | |
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wallclimber | This article states that: "The vast majority of security holes in Microsoft's operating systems are fixed within days of their discovery." - (I lol'd) | Sep 17 23:24 |
wallclimber | http://www.switched.com/2009/09/16/study-shows-apps-more-threatened-than-operating-systems/ | Sep 17 23:24 |
cubezzz | flipbook or something I think it was called | Sep 17 23:25 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You're not doing it right [pic] http://ff.im/8imj1 | Sep 17 23:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Mint 7 “Gloria” #XCFE is Loved, Works Splendidly http://bit.ly/17fuKn | Sep 17 23:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] " #Linux Lies at the Heart of [Cisco's] Strategy" http://bit.ly/dxehd | Sep 17 23:32 | |
cubezzz | flipstart | Sep 17 23:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World's First-High Resolution #DAB Radio Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/EwES1 | Sep 17 23:34 | |
cubezzz | too expensive I guess | Sep 17 23:35 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Sets a Battle to Advance #Linux on Mobiles http://bit.ly/gaSZY http://bit.ly/144oUS http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUST ... | Sep 17 23:39 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Archos to Enter the #Phones Market with #Linux http://bit.ly/dk7es | Sep 17 23:41 | |
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_goblin | sorry roy, whats the significance of Lightcube? have I missed something or is it simply another distro? - I'll admit I havent had time to read the site properly... | Sep 17 23:44 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Admits #Vista Sucks, Vista 7 Might be Same http://bit.ly/4hvRIe http://bit.ly/1R0xX | Sep 17 23:55 | |
schestowitz | It's branfd new, _goblin | Sep 17 23:57 |
_goblin | ah.... | Sep 17 23:57 |
_goblin | I wasn't sure if there was something else I was missing.... | Sep 17 23:57 |
schestowitz | trmanco: he does it right | Sep 17 23:57 |
schestowitz | Just not doing WITH the right species | Sep 17 23:58 |
trmanco | what? | Sep 17 23:58 |
_goblin | lol | Sep 17 23:58 |
_goblin | the picture i presume | Sep 17 23:58 |
trmanco | ah | Sep 17 23:58 |
schestowitz | [23:28] [Notice] -BNc to #boycottnovell- [trmanco] You're not doing it right [pic] http://ff.im/8imj1 | Sep 17 23:58 |
trmanco | yeah | Sep 17 23:58 |
_goblin | looks like it could be rather painful.... | Sep 17 23:58 |
trmanco | I kinda forgot about that | Sep 17 23:58 |
_goblin | good pic! | Sep 17 23:58 |
trmanco | :) | Sep 17 23:59 |
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