Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin: did your amiga software work in virtualbox? That was how you were running it? | Oct 06 00:02 |
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_goblin | I was using E-UAE | Oct 06 00:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | or anyone else | Oct 06 00:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ok, there is a free version of the os | Oct 06 00:03 |
_goblin | I still am.....Ive devpac 2 as an .adf and an emulated harddisk file for my data... | Oct 06 00:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | was thinking to try it in a vm | Oct 06 00:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | have ran some games in UAW | Oct 06 00:03 |
_goblin | ah, are you talking about AmigaOS? | Oct 06 00:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *UAE | Oct 06 00:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 06 00:04 |
_goblin | ok. | Oct 06 00:04 |
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_goblin | have you looked at AROS? | Oct 06 00:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | my next projects is to try to get more exotic systems running in vm's | Oct 06 00:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its not on my old system as its only lately I got a machine with AMD-V | Oct 06 00:05 |
oiaohm | AROS is truely fun. You have Linux version and own native kernel version. | Oct 06 00:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so I would have to look for the iso, but it was a free (I think open source) version of the amigaOS, and 64 bit I am thinking | Oct 06 00:06 |
oiaohm | Only open source version of amiga0S I know of is AROS | Oct 06 00:07 |
Chips_B_Malroy | also, I want to make a vm with an old linux that will run wordperfect, corel, and most loki games | Oct 06 00:07 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Oiaohm and Goblin, yes its Aros | Oct 06 00:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | so many things you can do with Linux and Virtualbox | Oct 06 00:09 |
oiaohm | So you have not got to playing with kvm yet. | Oct 06 00:09 |
oiaohm | Particularly with ksm patch. | Oct 06 00:09 |
oiaohm | Yes that can be sport working out how many copies of a OS you can run side by side. | Oct 06 00:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | no, not yet | Oct 06 00:10 |
oiaohm | ksm even with virtual box is handy. | Oct 06 00:10 |
oiaohm | Duplicate pages in memory get merged | Oct 06 00:10 |
oiaohm | Linux based and vmware are the two types of virtual machines that can run the most intestances because they both use the same trick. | Oct 06 00:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I like my VM's, for even the old OS'es, and the abtract ones. Maybe now I can get OS/2 and BeOS running in VM's also | Oct 06 00:12 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks, got it | Oct 06 00:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Odd, with Linux, I seem to be able, one way or another, in running almost any software, of course they are a few exceptions | Oct 06 00:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | *there | Oct 06 00:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you could say the same for windows, but the platform underneath is not stable enough | Oct 06 00:15 |
Chips_B_Malroy | IMO | Oct 06 00:15 |
oiaohm | Dos gives the most problems Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 06 00:16 |
oiaohm | To be correct dos applications they push virtual machines in odd directions. | Oct 06 00:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | It was great as usual talking with you folks, please keep up the good work. And the softies, well, maybe they will get an education here. LOL | Oct 06 00:17 |
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trmanco | gn | Oct 06 00:17 |
schestowitz | nn | Oct 06 00:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | one comment for Oiohm b4 I leave, Dos did not give me any problems in virtualbox. But really Dosbox is the way to go | Oct 06 00:18 |
oiaohm | I was talking across all vms Chips_B_Malroy if you want to find a vm defect run dos stuff. | Oct 06 00:19 |
oiaohm | I even have stuff that breaks dosbox. | Oct 06 00:19 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ok, makes sense | Oct 06 00:19 |
schestowitz | Future Firefox 4.0 Could Feature 'App Tabs' http://tech.yahoo.com/news/zd/20090929/tc_zd/244498 | Oct 06 00:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the amount of stuff that does work in dosbox is mpressive | Oct 06 00:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | gn | Oct 06 00:20 |
oiaohm | Everything bar windows 9x | Oct 06 00:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ok, now I cannot leave | Oct 06 00:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | oiaohm, I have 98se working fine in virtualbox | Oct 06 00:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but it took some work | Oct 06 00:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | universal video driver, and rain | Oct 06 00:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | rain20 I think | Oct 06 00:21 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but you right its still slower in virtualbox than say xp is | Oct 06 00:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | which is probably what u mean | Oct 06 00:22 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | 95 I did not try or care too | Oct 06 00:23 |
Chips_B_Malroy | windows 3.11 and dos yes | Oct 06 00:23 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Nothing seems to impress Windows users more than Linux running with Windows as a client in Virtualbox | Oct 06 00:24 |
Chips_B_Malroy | most windows users have never seen a VM | Oct 06 00:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its a good way to convert them | Oct 06 00:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy | gn all again | Oct 06 00:26 |
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cubezzz | I use dosbox occassionally | Oct 06 00:58 |
cubezzz | the odd game, plus stuff I wrote a long time ago | Oct 06 00:58 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Updating software on Absolute Linux...very nice, speedy distro BTW. #linux #foss | Oct 06 01:42 | |
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yuhong | http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/30-days-no-microsoft-software/ | Oct 06 03:06 |
yuhong | What do you think? | Oct 06 03:08 |
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cubezzz | 30 day challenge, hahaha | Oct 06 03:43 |
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cubezzz | Microsoft just isn't that indepensible | Oct 06 03:46 |
cubezzz | people go on about how it doesn't do this one obscure thing... | Oct 06 03:46 |
cubezzz | ok, if I go to chapters and look some book up I could be using microsoft server 2003 | Oct 06 03:48 |
cubezzz | as for my own personal computer use at home, there's zero microsoft, not even a microsoft keyboard | Oct 06 03:49 |
Balrog | cubezzz: I barely use Microsoft stuff at all | Oct 06 03:55 |
Balrog | if I need something that requires Windows it usually runs in Wine | Oct 06 03:55 |
Balrog | it's been more than 30 days since I booted a Windows VM :) | Oct 06 03:56 |
cubezzz | well, 30 days is nothing | Oct 06 03:56 |
cubezzz | avoid microsoft at home and work and internet, that would be tougher | Oct 06 03:57 |
cubezzz | so for me I'd say work 95%, home 100% | Oct 06 04:00 |
cubezzz | which isn't too bad :) | Oct 06 04:00 |
cubezzz | I was late, I switched feb 2003, I even wrote down the exact date | Oct 06 04:04 |
cubezzz | tried Minix, and an early Linux, just didn't cut it, this was around 1994 | Oct 06 04:05 |
cubezzz | there was this one affordable unix clone by the Mark Williams company, saw it in magazines | Oct 06 04:16 |
cubezzz | "Coherent" | Oct 06 04:16 |
cubezzz | never tried it though | Oct 06 04:16 |
cubezzz | written mostly by Canadians too | Oct 06 04:17 |
cubezzz | U of Waterloo alumni | Oct 06 04:17 |
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omar | Cool! http://bit.ly/nkdR9 | Oct 06 05:13 |
omar | cubezzz, speaking of Minix, is it still alive? | Oct 06 05:14 |
cubezzz | ummm | Oct 06 05:17 |
cubezzz | not sure, I bought mine from Prentice Hall | Oct 06 05:17 |
omar | oh, ok. | Oct 06 05:19 |
cubezzz | http://www.minix3.org | Oct 06 05:20 |
omar | lol, tomorrow there's going to be a Microsoft Festival in my college. | Oct 06 05:20 |
cubezzz | there you go :) | Oct 06 05:20 |
omar | I'm thinking of attending it. Ya know: "Keep your friends close, and you foes closer." | Oct 06 05:21 |
omar | cubezzz, Thanks. ^^ | Oct 06 05:21 |
cubezzz | I used to go to the World of Commodore | Oct 06 05:21 |
cubezzz | and there is still an event like that... only very very tiny | Oct 06 05:21 |
cubezzz | omar, you use zaurus at all? | Oct 06 05:24 |
omar | cubezzz, zaurus? I guess I've heard that name before... but I'm not sure.. | Oct 06 05:25 |
cubezzz | Sharp Zaurus, Linux PDA | Oct 06 05:26 |
omar | cubezzz, oh ok. | Oct 06 05:26 |
omar | No, unfortunately... | Oct 06 05:26 |
omar | Anyone knows whether Wingware, the Python/Plone IDE is free software? | Oct 06 05:27 |
cubezzz | wikipedia says wing IDE is proprietary | Oct 06 05:31 |
cubezzz | free for educators. hobbyists | Oct 06 05:32 |
omar | Damn! | Oct 06 05:33 |
omar | Do you know of any good altenative that's freesoftware? | Oct 06 05:33 |
omar | I don't mind using Vim, actually I love Vim, but I just wanna see if there's anything similar to Wind IDE but free software. | Oct 06 05:34 |
cubezzz | uh, yes | Oct 06 05:35 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIDA | Oct 06 05:35 |
cubezzz | GPL license | Oct 06 05:35 |
omar | Oh, yeah! PIDA, how could I forget that one. :) | Oct 06 05:36 |
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twitter2 | big bust on the way http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/more-transparency-coming-to-blog-reviews-under-new-ftc-rules.ars | Oct 06 07:02 |
twitter2 | -> Bloggers will come under the watchful eyes of the Federal Trade Commission for the first time, as the agency has finalized new rules governing bloggers and the products they write about. "Consumer-generated media" outlets (e.g., bloggers) will now have to disclose if they are being compensated by a manufacturer, advertiser, or service provider when they review an item. | Oct 06 07:03 |
twitter2 | about time | Oct 06 07:03 |
schestowitz | http://bartongeorge.net/2009/09/24/mark-shuttleworth-on-the-cloud-ubuntu-on-dell-and-more/ | Oct 06 07:41 |
schestowitz | UK Defense Security Manual Leaked < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/uk_defense_secu.html > | Oct 06 07:42 |
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schestowitz | I'm finding lots of bank corruption today in the news | Oct 06 07:58 |
schestowitz | Wow. CNN mentioned the "L" word | Oct 06 08:00 |
schestowitz | Did its corporate funders approve? | Oct 06 08:00 |
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oiaohm | schestowitz: most likely yes. | Oct 06 08:01 |
schestowitz | THey had no choice | Oct 06 08:01 |
schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/05/computers.bootup.speed/ | Oct 06 08:02 |
oiaohm | More funds come from IBM HP and Cisco systems than MS. | Oct 06 08:02 |
oiaohm | For CNN | Oct 06 08:02 |
schestowitz | It's not even mentioned as much as it ought to | Oct 06 08:02 |
schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/10/devicevm-gets-down-to-business-with-instant-on-linux.ars http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138830/Instant_on_maker_Splashtop_goes_corporate_adds_virtual_desktops | Oct 06 08:04 |
schestowitz | http://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/x86-processor-endgame/2009/10/linux-key-to-arm-processor-breakthrough-with-dell-laptop.html http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,26168679-5013037,00.html | Oct 06 08:05 |
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schestowitz | http://www.thehypervisor.com/2009/09/dell-uwb-linux-laptop/ | Oct 06 08:07 |
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schestowitz | jono: http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=4398 | Oct 06 08:09 |
jono | hey schestowitz :) | Oct 06 08:10 |
schestowitz | Hopefully he sorted out his Ubuntu issue | Oct 06 08:10 |
jono | schestowitz, wow, thanks for the note | Oct 06 08:10 |
jono | schestowitz, have you taken a look at the book yet? | Oct 06 08:11 |
schestowitz | I was going to download, but didn't. Passed the word on instead. | Oct 06 08:11 |
schestowitz | I don't have interest in the subject in general | Oct 06 08:12 |
schestowitz | I stick to the issue, less to personal relationships when it comes to this | Oct 06 08:12 |
schestowitz | That's why on the podcast too I think it's important to just focus on the technical issues alone | Oct 06 08:12 |
schestowitz | Separation between work (or politics) and play | Oct 06 08:13 |
schestowitz | I think of the rest as a PR/HR issues | Oct 06 08:13 |
jono | I wouldn't agree | Oct 06 08:13 |
schestowitz | I don't like those | Oct 06 08:13 |
jono | communities are webs of personalities | Oct 06 08:14 |
schestowitz | http://ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm | Oct 06 08:14 |
jono | every action we make has an emotional impact | Oct 06 08:14 |
jono | which is what I love and worry about community | Oct 06 08:14 |
schestowitz | jono: yes, but corporations are not humans | Oct 06 08:14 |
jono | I know that my actions have very real emotional impact on people | Oct 06 08:14 |
schestowitz | To treat them as such is the cause of many troubles | Oct 06 08:14 |
schestowitz | Bailing them out as though it is a person dying | Oct 06 08:14 |
jono | schestowitz, corporations are groups of humans, in the same way user groups are | Oct 06 08:14 |
jono | schestowitz, I would disagree | Oct 06 08:15 |
jono | have you worked very closely with people in a corp? | Oct 06 08:15 |
schestowitz | Rather than people (e.g. bankers) who can rightly see the business faIL (that's capitalism) and move on to another company | Oct 06 08:15 |
schestowitz | jono: corporations are shells for people, yes | Oct 06 08:15 |
schestowitz | They are not 'the' people, who can get attached to them | Oct 06 08:15 |
jono | thats not true | Oct 06 08:15 |
jono | example: | Oct 06 08:16 |
jono | I did a roadshow with IBM once | Oct 06 08:16 |
jono | we went up and down the UK talking about Linux and Open Source | Oct 06 08:16 |
schestowitz | Had I been bothered by every little thing, I would not be able to dennounce an organisation for /anything/ | Oct 06 08:16 |
jono | and I got to know a bunch of IBM folks | Oct 06 08:16 |
fewa | twitter, nice | Oct 06 08:16 |
jono | their scope is their immediate team | Oct 06 08:16 |
schestowitz | Heck :-) Some people would not be able to crititicise politicians who do bad thing cause "they have feelings, to" | Oct 06 08:16 |
schestowitz | *too | Oct 06 08:16 |
jono | they care and share an emotional connection with their team | Oct 06 08:16 |
schestowitz | That's what they do | Oct 06 08:17 |
jono | people would be part of a 30 person team and they felt a responsbility like a 30 person company | Oct 06 08:17 |
schestowitz | But less to the point | Oct 06 08:17 |
schestowitz | What about the extranalities? | Oct 06 08:17 |
jono | people don't suddently become emotionless if they join a corp | Oct 06 08:17 |
jono | thats not how emotions work | Oct 06 08:17 |
schestowitz | You and I could agree on a deal that's good for both of us, but we take no account of people outside this relationship | Oct 06 08:18 |
schestowitz | So is it necessarily ethical? | Oct 06 08:18 |
jono | whatr do you mean a deal? | Oct 06 08:18 |
schestowitz | jono: if the corproations is hurt it's not the same as personal emotional injury | Oct 06 08:18 |
schestowitz | I never enter people's personal lives | Oct 06 08:18 |
jono | schestowitz, if the corporation is hurt it hurts real people | Oct 06 08:18 |
schestowitz | THeir professional work for a company is their role as a servant more or less | Oct 06 08:18 |
jono | jobs get lost, opportunities are missed, people grow an emotional connection to the company | Oct 06 08:19 |
schestowitz | So they can blame these on superiors | Oct 06 08:19 |
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jono | schestowitz, I think that view naive | Oct 06 08:19 |
schestowitz | jono: it does | Oct 06 08:19 |
fewa | people have rights, corporations do not | Oct 06 08:19 |
jono | schestowitz, have you had any experience working with lots of people in corps? | Oct 06 08:19 |
schestowitz | That's why they should not be emotionally attacked to the tyrannical thing which is a company | Oct 06 08:19 |
fewa | corporations do not have feelings, people do | Oct 06 08:19 |
schestowitz | Jobs come and go | Oct 06 08:19 |
schestowitz | GOod business survices, other perish | Oct 06 08:19 |
schestowitz | That's capitalism | Oct 06 08:19 |
schestowitz | fewa: +1 | Oct 06 08:20 |
jono | schestowitz, have you worked with many people in corps? | Oct 06 08:20 |
fewa | criticising the system is differnt than criticising the the people | Oct 06 08:20 |
schestowitz | jono: I don't talk about the liability for one to colleagues. | Oct 06 08:20 |
fewa | jono, have you seen any of the Wendell Potter stuff? | Oct 06 08:21 |
schestowitz | The outsider and competitors count too | Oct 06 08:21 |
jono | schestowitz, eh? | Oct 06 08:21 |
schestowitz | Ballmer "worked with many people in a corp" | Oct 06 08:21 |
schestowitz | ANd he committed crimes to help those people | Oct 06 08:21 |
schestowitz | Does that make it acceptable | Oct 06 08:21 |
jono | if you feel uncomfortable in answering my question, that is fine | Oct 06 08:21 |
jono | the reason I keep asking is that I was of largely the same view until I met a lot of real people who worked at corps | Oct 06 08:21 |
schestowitz | Do the people who lost their jobs due to these crimes (affecting people who work in other, ethical company) make it OK? | Oct 06 08:21 |
schestowitz | jono: take canonical for example | Oct 06 08:22 |
schestowitz | I don't need to remind you that some other Linux companies don't like it | Oct 06 08:22 |
fewa | what is the question? | Oct 06 08:22 |
schestowitz | WHen Ubuntu goes up, it does come at the expense of someone else | Oct 06 08:22 |
jono | fewa, I was asking if schestowitz has experience of working with people in corps | Oct 06 08:22 |
schestowitz | Success is not defined only in terms of personal gains | Oct 06 08:22 |
schestowitz | Else, people like Trump are really our saviours, right? | Oct 06 08:22 |
fewa | jono, that is a incredibly ambiguous question | Oct 06 08:22 |
jono | schestowitz, I think your view is naive | Oct 06 08:22 |
jono | fewa, I am asking if schestowitz knows people who work in corporations, it seems pretty simple to me :-) | Oct 06 08:23 |
schestowitz | >>> a lot of real people who worked at corps | Oct 06 08:23 |
schestowitz | "Real people"? | Oct 06 08:23 |
jono | ok, nevermind | Oct 06 08:23 |
fewa | there are many types of corpoartions | Oct 06 08:23 |
schestowitz | As if only the top 1% of the world's population that wears suits is "Real"? | Oct 06 08:23 |
oiaohm | jono: I have dealt with many corps. Ballmer is either idiot to say the stuff he does or he believes it. | Oct 06 08:23 |
schestowitz | Oh | Oct 06 08:23 |
fewa | my city, my county, my state are all incorporated | Oct 06 08:23 |
schestowitz | Maybe I misread it | Oct 06 08:23 |
schestowitz | Never mind | Oct 06 08:23 |
fewa | LLCs | Oct 06 08:23 |
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oiaohm | I would prefer to take the line Ballmer belleives the stuff. | Oct 06 08:24 |
fewa | Ballmer certainly believes | Oct 06 08:24 |
fewa | he never sells stocks | Oct 06 08:24 |
schestowitz | It's like Ellison. "It's capitalism, I'm competiting" | Oct 06 08:24 |
jono | anyway, folks, much as I would love to continue the discussion, I have been working since 7.30am and it is 12.30am here and I need to be up for a Ubuntu Technical Board meeting in six hours | Oct 06 08:24 |
fewa | and he was always a tag-along to Gate's insight into business strategy | Oct 06 08:24 |
jono | so I think I must bid you all goodnight | Oct 06 08:25 |
fewa | he was Gate's room mate at Harvard | Oct 06 08:25 |
fewa | *Gates* | Oct 06 08:25 |
schestowitz | Translation: "free market is good for me. I can destory anything and anyone... taking people out of their job. If I make more money, I win.Capitalism is great for me... where capitalism means Friedmanism" | Oct 06 08:25 |
oiaohm | Open Source and capitalism work very well. | Oct 06 08:25 |
fewa | Isle of Mann | Oct 06 08:25 |
fewa | Ubuntu is incorporated in the Isle of Mann | Oct 06 08:25 |
fewa | *Canonical | Oct 06 08:26 |
schestowitz | Heh. "Creative capitalism" | Oct 06 08:26 |
schestowitz | Or "gentle capitalism" | Oct 06 08:26 |
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schestowitz | Meaning BillG doesn't pay tax | Oct 06 08:26 |
oiaohm | If course its the cheepest place to register a company fewa | Oct 06 08:26 |
schestowitz | And neither does Microsof | Oct 06 08:26 |
fewa | Open source and liberal markets work well together | Oct 06 08:26 |
schestowitz | The mom with thr 3 jobs will pay tax for him | Oct 06 08:26 |
fewa | oiaohm, its also a tax haven | Oct 06 08:26 |
schestowitz | While he's investing in Nigerian oil | Oct 06 08:26 |
fewa | open source keeps the markets free | Oct 06 08:27 |
schestowitz | Free in what sense? | Oct 06 08:27 |
fewa | free and open source software | Oct 06 08:27 |
schestowitz | Remember the words got warped | Oct 06 08:27 |
cubezzz | he's got to pay tax on this huge house | Oct 06 08:27 |
schestowitz | So as to suppress real meaningful discussion | Oct 06 08:27 |
cubezzz | that's for certain | Oct 06 08:27 |
schestowitz | Same with libertarians | Oct 06 08:27 |
cubezzz | his | Oct 06 08:27 |
schestowitz | "Free to kill" | Oct 06 08:27 |
fewa | propritary software is a means of control | Oct 06 08:27 |
schestowitz | "Free as in gratis" | Oct 06 08:27 |
schestowitz | Free as in freedom | Oct 06 08:27 |
schestowitz | etc. | Oct 06 08:27 |
oiaohm | There are quite a few different foundations registed in the Isle of Mann | Oct 06 08:27 |
fewa | its impossible to change it, to make it serve your uses | Oct 06 08:27 |
fewa | and therefore it hinders your freedom | Oct 06 08:28 |
fewa | including the freedom to effect the market | Oct 06 08:28 |
schestowitz | Or to pay bailout | Oct 06 08:28 |
fewa | in positive ways | Oct 06 08:28 |
schestowitz | Freedom means too little | Oct 06 08:28 |
fewa | In the US all the corps are incorporated in Delaware | Oct 06 08:28 |
schestowitz | Freedom is an expression of "no pressure" | Oct 06 08:28 |
fewa | but its all so horrible | Oct 06 08:28 |
fewa | its a race to the bottom | Oct 06 08:28 |
schestowitz | No pressure to pay or to do | Oct 06 08:28 |
schestowitz | It's too broad | Oct 06 08:28 |
schestowitz | More specificity is needed | Oct 06 08:29 |
schestowitz | esp. in English | Oct 06 08:29 |
fewa | anti-competitive corporations forcing states in a race to the bottom | Oct 06 08:29 |
fewa | which disadvantages the states | Oct 06 08:29 |
schestowitz | Or to the top | Oct 06 08:29 |
schestowitz | Price-fixing/collusion | Oct 06 08:29 |
schestowitz | See Intel/Microsoft for example | Oct 06 08:29 |
fewa | will the taxes is a race to the bottom | Oct 06 08:29 |
schestowitz | Found guilty in several continents | Oct 06 08:29 |
schestowitz | And they carry on | Oct 06 08:29 |
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fewa | a race to disenfranchise the people the quickest | Oct 06 08:29 |
schestowitz | Off their pensions, I guess | Oct 06 08:30 |
fewa | *disenfranchise small businesses | Oct 06 08:30 |
fewa | thats the biggest looser of corporate welfare tax incentives | Oct 06 08:30 |
fewa | small businesses | Oct 06 08:30 |
schestowitz | small business is more like people | Oct 06 08:31 |
schestowitz | WIth feelings | Oct 06 08:31 |
fewa | and small businesses are the only productive businesses | Oct 06 08:31 |
schestowitz | Cause there is just owner+family attached to them | Oct 06 08:31 |
schestowitz | So it's more of a personal activity | Oct 06 08:31 |
fewa | only ones that innovate | Oct 06 08:31 |
schestowitz | i4i? | Oct 06 08:31 |
schestowitz | I don't know much about them, BTW | Oct 06 08:31 |
schestowitz | But based on Toronto IIRC, they seem like a place that's as large as a bunch of cubicles | Oct 06 08:32 |
schestowitz | Making their own products, not buying some | Oct 06 08:32 |
schestowitz | >"Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products." Arno Edelmann | Oct 06 08:32 |
schestowitz | , Microsoft | Oct 06 08:32 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is in the business not of inventing | Oct 06 08:32 |
fewa | Microsoft was a big part in creating the monster | Oct 06 08:32 |
fewa | of software patnets | Oct 06 08:32 |
schestowitz | It snaps some stuff up and then uses aggressive marketing to turn this to cash for executives and investors in Wall Street | Oct 06 08:33 |
fewa | they asked for them | Oct 06 08:33 |
schestowitz | Usually sucking out the spirit of the products they bought | Oct 06 08:33 |
schestowitz | They killed Musiwave last week | Oct 06 08:33 |
fewa | (even when Bill Gates most famously denounced then not so long ago) | Oct 06 08:33 |
schestowitz | They gre in patents | Oct 06 08:33 |
schestowitz | I read they had 25 patents when Win95 was out | Oct 06 08:34 |
schestowitz | Now they claim to have 10,000! | Oct 06 08:34 |
fewa | that was in the brief | Oct 06 08:34 |
schestowitz | Protectionism | Oct 06 08:34 |
fewa | believe the red hat one | Oct 06 08:34 |
fewa | they are trying to create a patent thicket | Oct 06 08:34 |
schestowitz | With FUD, lawsuits, and racketeeering | Oct 06 08:34 |
schestowitz | Actually, jono's boss called it racketeering | Oct 06 08:34 |
schestowitz | So I credits this to him | Oct 06 08:34 |
fewa | its easier for them to hamper innovation than fairily compete | Oct 06 08:34 |
schestowitz | *Credit | Oct 06 08:34 |
fewa | kudos | Oct 06 08:34 |
schestowitz | Now he's more displomatic | Oct 06 08:35 |
schestowitz | After he said this twice, I doubt it'll happen again | Oct 06 08:35 |
schestowitz | “That’s extortion and we should call it what it is. To say, as Ballmer did, that there is undisclosed balance sheet liability, that’s just extortion and we should refuse to get drawn into that game.” --Mark Shuttleworth | Oct 06 08:35 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft is asking people to pay them for patents, but they won’t say which ones. If a guy walks into a shop and says: “It’s an unsafe neighbourhood, why don’t you pay me 20 bucks and I’ll make sure you’re okay,” that’s illegal. It’s racketeering." --Mark Shuttleworth | Oct 06 08:35 |
fewa | yeah i've seen that second one | Oct 06 08:36 |
fewa | and its true | Oct 06 08:36 |
fewa | In the US the Federal Circuit court has to go | Oct 06 08:36 |
fewa | its a freak court created by patent lobbiests at the begging of the 20th century | Oct 06 08:37 |
fewa | *decendent | Oct 06 08:37 |
fewa | patents need to be put back into the district courts | Oct 06 08:37 |
schestowitz | What about RICO act? | Oct 06 08:37 |
fewa | If you read Diamond v Diehr and the FSF brief | Oct 06 08:37 |
fewa | talks about the fed circuit using the exception to swallow the rule | Oct 06 08:38 |
schestowitz | I saw parts of the FSF's | Oct 06 08:38 |
fewa | i believe RICO has to be started by the state | Oct 06 08:39 |
fewa | and the Sherman Anti-trust they were under was plenty | Oct 06 08:39 |
fewa | its just that the Bush DoJ was unwilling to prosecute | Oct 06 08:39 |
fewa | and wouldn't even present issues submitted by others so the judge could decide on them | Oct 06 08:40 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Claims_Act | Oct 06 08:40 |
schestowitz | It's not being enforced though | Oct 06 08:40 |
fewa | allows citizens to sue under 'qui tam' against institutions that defraud the government | Oct 06 08:41 |
fewa | and get a small portion under a sliding scale | Oct 06 08:41 |
fewa | such an law needs to be enacted for prosecuting corporate welfare | Oct 06 08:41 |
fewa | in short "abstract are not patentable..and mere post-solution activity does not make an unpatentable process patentable....but it much be considered on a whole" | Oct 06 08:42 |
fewa | and the "on a whole" was turned into the whole things | Oct 06 08:42 |
fewa | and the precedent was given up | Oct 06 08:43 |
fewa | /ignore by the Fed circuit | Oct 06 08:43 |
fewa | this is good news http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/more-transparency-coming-to-blog-reviews-under-new-ftc-rules.ars | Oct 06 08:44 |
schestowitz | Yes, seen it | Oct 06 08:48 |
schestowitz | Microsoft still pays people with schwag | Oct 06 08:48 |
schestowitz | The FTC mailed me back about it | Oct 06 08:49 |
schestowitz | But they are just trying to scare people | Oct 06 08:49 |
schestowitz | They would not enforce | Oct 06 08:49 |
fewa | announcing public policy is the first step | Oct 06 08:50 |
schestowitz | Meh. | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | Done this befoire | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | BTW... | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | Here's what I don't understand | Oct 06 08:51 |
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schestowitz | It's not news | Oct 06 08:51 |
fewa | but yeah, having the executive prosecute selectively is heinous | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | The FTC said the same thing months ago | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | I did some posts about it | Oct 06 08:51 |
fewa | politically | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | So it's like old news with some new info | Oct 06 08:51 |
fewa | this country needs an executive that will enforce the laws | Oct 06 08:52 |
fewa | and a legislature that will create sensible laws, and overturn unsensible ones | Oct 06 08:52 |
fewa | The FISA amendments were an atrocious example of lobbiest power, and congress complicity | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | The problem is that country=companies | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | So you ask them to police selves | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | There's the people... | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | ANd then there's the Wealth of the Nation | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | Ah! | Oct 06 08:53 |
fewa | Break the law as a citizen, go to jail, break the law as a corporation, go to Washington, get retroactive immunity. | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | fewa: BTW, I'll be posting more about corruption in daily links | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | I can't help it | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | [can't help posting about it] | Oct 06 08:53 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Bilski-II-Red-Hat-Appeals-to-Supreme-Court-over-Software-Non-Patentability Bilski II: Red Hat Appeals to Supreme Court over Software Non-Patentability | Oct 06 09:05 |
schestowitz | I wonder how it fits with RHAT's (RHT's) own s/w patents | Oct 06 09:06 |
schestowitz | BSD security... http://www.h-online.com/open/FreeBSD-security-update--/news/114389 | Oct 06 09:06 |
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oiaohm | In a lot of ways Linux kernel is gettting ahead of FreeBSD with memory posioning and the like so making lot of attacks not effective. | Oct 06 09:12 |
fewa | schestowitz, RHT has a umambiguous pledge not to sue developers or distributers of free software | Oct 06 09:12 |
fewa | http://www.redhat.com/legal/patent_policy.html | Oct 06 09:14 |
schestowitz | Yes, but that's not the point | Oct 06 09:14 |
schestowitz | IBM has that to | Oct 06 09:14 |
schestowitz | *too | Oct 06 09:14 |
fewa | really? | Oct 06 09:14 |
schestowitz | But the patents still can be used in some ways | Oct 06 09:14 |
oiaohm | IBM Orcale .... | Oct 06 09:15 |
fewa | eek | Oct 06 09:15 |
schestowitz | IBM basically has a less legal contract | Oct 06 09:15 |
oiaohm | Most of the Linux foundation. | Oct 06 09:15 |
schestowitz | Oracle still hoards some patents | Oct 06 09:15 |
fewa | i think RHT's is very clear | Oct 06 09:15 |
schestowitz | It might soon have Sun's | Oct 06 09:15 |
fewa | MSFT's is obviously meant to not be complete | Oct 06 09:15 |
oiaohm | Oracle will not apply patents against open source | Oct 06 09:15 |
schestowitz | You know what I just love? | Oct 06 09:15 |
oiaohm | Oracle does have a condition liciencing must not exclude them from using it for free and there customers. | Oct 06 09:16 |
schestowitz | How people join an unethical entity and then find ways to justify it | Oct 06 09:16 |
oiaohm | Ie if Oracle could use it for profit no patent problem. | Oct 06 09:16 |
fewa | all i can find of IBM is that it doesn't cover all patents | Oct 06 09:16 |
schestowitz | And then form their own type of 'press release' to spin it | Oct 06 09:16 |
schestowitz | It's like in politics | Oct 06 09:16 |
fewa | so its basically nothing | Oct 06 09:16 |
oiaohm | IBM has hardware patents and software fewa | Oct 06 09:16 |
schestowitz | Oracle just issues a press release about Unbreakable yesterday | Oct 06 09:17 |
fewa | yeah but free software is free software | Oct 06 09:17 |
fewa | its not hardware | Oct 06 09:17 |
schestowitz | Imagine a world without free software... | Oct 06 09:17 |
schestowitz | Microsoft would be able to charge everywhere | Oct 06 09:17 |
fewa | they can just say software, and sensible define it, in their pledge | Oct 06 09:17 |
schestowitz | Even Brazil and India | Oct 06 09:17 |
fewa | *sensibly | Oct 06 09:17 |
schestowitz | And there would be even more antifeatures | Oct 06 09:17 |
oiaohm | Hardware patents are uslessly to OSS. | Oct 06 09:17 |
oiaohm | IBM has the same kind of policy as orcale | Oct 06 09:17 |
fewa | it would be a dictaitorship | Oct 06 09:17 |
fewa | Microsoft police state | Oct 06 09:18 |
oiaohm | You are forgeting the existance of AIX and others schestowitz | Oct 06 09:18 |
schestowitz | Luckily they are pahsed out | Oct 06 09:18 |
schestowitz | But Apple is still a problem | Oct 06 09:18 |
oiaohm | that Linux has basically killed. | Oct 06 09:18 |
fewa | there would be ubiquitous trecherous computing | Oct 06 09:18 |
schestowitz | Google is another form of problem | Oct 06 09:18 |
schestowitz | In Firefox, Gogle tracks my keystrokes in input bars | Oct 06 09:18 |
fewa | the ASP loophole | Oct 06 09:18 |
oiaohm | Even without open source MS would not have it alone. | Oct 06 09:18 |
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fewa | schestowitz, yeah thats the first thing i turn off | Oct 06 09:19 |
fewa | also, firefox ships accepting 3rd party cookies, and keeping them indefinitely | Oct 06 09:19 |
fewa | so does adobe flash | Oct 06 09:19 |
oiaohm | The 3rd party cookie thing dates back a long way. | Oct 06 09:20 |
fewa | if a user "clears their cookies" in firefox | Oct 06 09:20 |
fewa | they do not clear the flash cookies | Oct 06 09:21 |
fewa | and many sites keep identical copies of cookies in flash | Oct 06 09:21 |
fewa | specifically to override users wishes | Oct 06 09:21 |
fewa | this sort of thing needs to be cleaned up | Oct 06 09:21 |
fewa | its very decieving | Oct 06 09:21 |
fewa | also web pages with "remember me" | Oct 06 09:21 |
fewa | but the page will remember them even if they dont check it | Oct 06 09:22 |
fewa | its decietful | Oct 06 09:22 |
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schestowitz | Sorry Linus, pragmatism is a disease < http://www.pwnage.ca/?cat=3&paged=2 > | Oct 06 09:23 |
fewa | web browsers and web giants need to be frank to users about how they are tracking them | Oct 06 09:24 |
schestowitz | Many people don't care | Oct 06 09:26 |
schestowitz | Until or unless data leaks | Oct 06 09:26 |
schestowitz | recall AOL incident | Oct 06 09:26 |
fewa | many users _do_ care | Oct 06 09:26 |
schestowitz | EFF Files Complaint with FTC Over AOL Data Leak http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/15/1912208 | Oct 06 09:26 |
fewa | the "incognito mode" was incredibly popular | Oct 06 09:26 |
schestowitz | EFF says that the company failed to "implement reasonable and appropriate measures to protect personal consumer information from public disclosure."' Among other things, the complaint asks AOL to notify all users affected by the data disclosure via certified mail and provide free credit monitoring for a year." | Oct 06 09:26 |
fewa | aka porn mode | Oct 06 09:27 |
schestowitz | ISPs still have logs | Oct 06 09:27 |
schestowitz | And hosts | Oct 06 09:27 |
schestowitz | PageRank collects a trail of everything you touch | Oct 06 09:27 |
fewa | ummmm | Oct 06 09:28 |
schestowitz | AdSense and Analytics tooif JS is enabled | Oct 06 09:28 |
fewa | thats not what PageRank is | Oct 06 09:28 |
fewa | but yea googleanalytics.com and google-syndication.com | Oct 06 09:28 |
schestowitz | It's a "nice to have" for them | Oct 06 09:28 |
schestowitz | It's not what it's about | Oct 06 09:28 |
fewa | on somethings like 75% of pages by one study | Oct 06 09:28 |
schestowitz | PATRIOT is not about police state | Oct 06 09:28 |
schestowitz | THe "police state" is a nice to have piggyback | Oct 06 09:28 |
schestowitz | 9/11 was not about making a pretext for Iraq invasion | Oct 06 09:29 |
fewa | what else does it have schestowitz ? | Oct 06 09:29 |
fewa | "PATRIOT" | Oct 06 09:29 |
schestowitz | By taking radical plans off the shelvs was an opportunistic "nice to have" | Oct 06 09:29 |
schestowitz | USPAT RIOT ACT | Oct 06 09:29 |
nomnex | Does Novell (OpenSUSE) do any good to the Linux community? | Oct 06 09:29 |
schestowitz | OpenSUSE is OK | Oct 06 09:30 |
schestowitz | Nurnberg engineers | Oct 06 09:30 |
nomnex | why? | Oct 06 09:30 |
schestowitz | They also do kernel work | Oct 06 09:30 |
nomnex | I see | Oct 06 09:30 |
schestowitz | But OpenSUSE helps Microsoft and Novell | Oct 06 09:30 |
schestowitz | Not voluntarily | Oct 06 09:30 |
oiaohm | OpenSUSE leads are trying to unhook. | Oct 06 09:30 |
fewa | Greg Kroah-hartman's FUD | Oct 06 09:30 |
schestowitz | fewa: heh. | Oct 06 09:31 |
schestowitz | And James | Oct 06 09:31 |
nomnex | what's the % of users Ubuntu/OpenSUSE among linux users? | Oct 06 09:31 |
schestowitz | "Intel sez linux is teh bloated, Linus... what do you say about it?" | Oct 06 09:31 |
oiaohm | nomnex: no one can know for sure. | Oct 06 09:31 |
oiaohm | Too many Linux people switch between distributions. | Oct 06 09:31 |
schestowitz | nomnex: no way to tell. Could compare downloads for the ratio alone | Oct 06 09:31 |
schestowitz | Not deployments | Oct 06 09:32 |
fewa | I think Ubuntu is very big | Oct 06 09:32 |
fewa | at least in US | Oct 06 09:32 |
schestowitz | OpenSUSE is big in Germany | Oct 06 09:32 |
schestowitz | SOme say Linux market share there is 5-10% | Oct 06 09:32 |
oiaohm | That is the problem with Linux its always measured by I think. | Oct 06 09:32 |
schestowitz | [for desktop that is] | Oct 06 09:32 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: you could compare d/ls though | Oct 06 09:32 |
fewa | oiaohm, how is that a problem? | Oct 06 09:32 |
nomnex | Microsoft IS the corporate whore, and Novell seems to follow the lead in the linux world | Oct 06 09:32 |
fewa | its a benifit, a sign of freedom | Oct 06 09:32 |
schestowitz | SUSE got like a few hundred thousands within days | Oct 06 09:32 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu gets millions | Oct 06 09:33 |
oiaohm | Does not help schestowitz I download from a mirror that does not count. | Oct 06 09:33 |
fewa | and the windows numbers are all faked too | Oct 06 09:33 |
oiaohm | Same with a lot of other people. | Oct 06 09:33 |
fewa | *spun | Oct 06 09:33 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: I know, that's my point | Oct 06 09:33 |
oiaohm | The market share of Linux could be like 60 percent and we would not know. | Oct 06 09:33 |
fewa | share of what? | Oct 06 09:33 |
schestowitz | fewa: Naaa... Sweaty says they sold like 1,0000000000000000 copies of VIsta | Oct 06 09:33 |
fewa | servers, yes | Oct 06 09:33 |
schestowitz | It means people LOVE it | Oct 06 09:33 |
oiaohm | Over all fewa | Oct 06 09:34 |
fewa | oiaohm, but what about virtual machines? | Oct 06 09:34 |
fewa | oiaohm, chroots | Oct 06 09:34 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: not in the UK | Oct 06 09:34 |
schestowitz | South Amrica maybe | Oct 06 09:34 |
fewa | oiaohm, does a high mem comp count more? | Oct 06 09:34 |
fewa | or a desktop | Oct 06 09:34 |
fewa | its not a very simply measurment | Oct 06 09:34 |
schestowitz | Linux could be double-digit in SA desktops | Oct 06 09:34 |
oiaohm | You are forgeting items like adsl modems schestowitz. | Oct 06 09:34 |
trmanco | I don't get why they split this up | Oct 06 09:34 |
oiaohm | Over all | Oct 06 09:35 |
schestowitz | [SOuth America, not Africa BTW] | Oct 06 09:35 |
trmanco | it's the same OS just for a different purpose | Oct 06 09:35 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: they don't download | Oct 06 09:35 |
oiaohm | Lot of windows people own a computer + a adsl modem. | Oct 06 09:35 |
schestowitz | They share CDs | Oct 06 09:35 |
schestowitz | Or use intranets | Oct 06 09:35 |
schestowitz | For repos too | Oct 06 09:35 |
fewa | lots of windows users are not counted earlier | Oct 06 09:35 |
oiaohm | So that is basically 50 percent of the modem is linux. | Oct 06 09:35 |
oiaohm | Linux is appearing everywhere tvs fridges .... | Oct 06 09:35 |
schestowitz | Joe Brockmeier http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7560/1.html | Oct 06 09:36 |
oiaohm | Robots. | Oct 06 09:36 |
schestowitz | He writes a lot about Firefox these months. | Oct 06 09:36 |
fewa | this is probably accurate for desktops http://www.osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linux_Bigger_Competitor_than_Apple | Oct 06 09:36 |
trmanco | I saw a linksys router the other day with a 6x6 cm sticker stating that it contained open source software licensed under the gpl and bsd :D | Oct 06 09:36 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: Microsoft doesn't count these | Oct 06 09:36 |
schestowitz | Here's the funny thing | Oct 06 09:36 |
schestowitz | trmanco: enable bot? | Oct 06 09:36 |
fewa | http://www.osnews.com/img/21035/ballmermacs.png | Oct 06 09:36 |
trmanco | yeah | Oct 06 09:36 |
schestowitz | Microsoft wants Web stats to measure desktop use | Oct 06 09:37 |
trmanco | I forgot | Oct 06 09:37 |
fewa | Linux bigger than Apple | Oct 06 09:37 |
schestowitz | On the server, they want REVENUE to count | Oct 06 09:37 |
schestowitz | And the rest they treat as unimportant | Oct 06 09:37 |
fewa | on desktop | Oct 06 09:37 |
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schestowitz | Cause they don't exist there | Oct 06 09:37 |
schestowitz | Measly 8% in mobiles (win mob) | Oct 06 09:37 |
schestowitz | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046137 | Oct 06 09:40 |
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oiaohm | Thinking in the Linux world REVENUE From the OS sale is not highly important. | Oct 06 09:42 |
schestowitz | Why is this in Linux Today? http://www.smallbusinesscomputing.com/buyersguide/article.php/3842306 | Oct 06 09:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Fwd: Computadores da investigação criminal são queijo suíço - Sócrates troca GNU/Linux por microsoft @Digest... http://ff.im/9iRaN | Oct 06 09:43 | |
trmanco | http://fraque.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1028:computadores-da-investigacao-criminal-sao-queijo-suico&catid=37:tribunais&Itemid=64 | Oct 06 09:43 |
schestowitz | Maybe cause it's Jupitermedia | Oct 06 09:43 |
schestowitz | They do a lot of back-rubbing | Oct 06 09:43 |
oiaohm | Support contract and provided back more important. | Oct 06 09:43 |
phIRCe | Title: Fwd: Computadores da investigação criminal são... - Tony Manco - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 7.83 KB | Oct 06 09:43 |
schestowitz | One site of jupitermedia boosting another, even if it's off-topic | Oct 06 09:43 |
oiaohm | That one from dell is kinda news schestowitz | Oct 06 09:43 |
oiaohm | Its the first time a dell labeled printer has released with Linux drivers. | Oct 06 09:44 |
schestowitz | trmanco: I understand "investigação criminal" | Oct 06 09:44 |
trmanco | http://tinyurl.com/ye6jpon | Oct 06 09:44 |
trmanco | translation there | Oct 06 09:44 |
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oiaohm | Normally a month or 2 latter from the release the Linux driver would turn up schestowitz yes without the back ground history it looks like nothing. | Oct 06 09:44 |
schestowitz | http://bsdly.blogspot.com/2009/10/third-time-uncharmed.html | Oct 06 09:45 |
phIRCe | Title: That grumpy BSD guy: A Third Time, Uncharmed .::. Size~: 138.79 KB | Oct 06 09:46 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: sell sells Linux to companies now, so.... | Oct 06 09:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/hardware/article.php/3842216 | Oct 06 09:47 |
phIRCe | Title: Can the x86 Just Keep Going? - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 145.94 KB | Oct 06 09:47 |
schestowitz | Doesn't mention Linux on ARM | Oct 06 09:47 |
trmanco | great | Oct 06 09:49 |
trmanco | I'm out of bandwidth | Oct 06 09:49 |
trmanco | updated are eating it all :| | Oct 06 09:50 |
trmanco | updates* | Oct 06 09:50 |
oiaohm | Nexuiz a few days ago took mine out. | Oct 06 09:50 |
oiaohm | My Linux updates don't count to quota. | Oct 06 09:50 |
trmanco | I don't mean quota | Oct 06 09:50 |
trmanco | I really mean the bandwidth | Oct 06 09:51 |
trmanco | that's why the bot might be slow | Oct 06 09:51 |
schestowitz | This is so odd | Oct 06 09:53 |
schestowitz | I take for granted no limit like we all take for granted freedom of speech... until it's gone | Oct 06 09:53 |
trmanco | what do you mean no limit? | Oct 06 09:53 |
schestowitz | No stated limit | Oct 06 09:54 |
trmanco | but of quota or bandwidth? | Oct 06 09:54 |
schestowitz | If there's a high lump like 100GB overnight, then someone might look into it | Oct 06 09:54 |
schestowitz | Both | Oct 06 09:54 |
trmanco | quota I have no limits | Oct 06 09:54 |
schestowitz | Bandidth is very high | Oct 06 09:54 |
trmanco | bandwidth I do | Oct 06 09:54 |
schestowitz | At 100Mbit/sec it's not as thought there's a real limit | Oct 06 09:54 |
schestowitz | I pass data over the network at 10MB/sec | Oct 06 09:54 |
trmanco | LOL | Oct 06 09:54 |
schestowitz | Almost as fast as USB2 | Oct 06 09:55 |
trmanco | I have a 4Mbit/s connections | Oct 06 09:55 |
schestowitz | The thing is, I far seeding distro torrents | Oct 06 09:55 |
trmanco | if I ask for more, the adsl will get unstable | Oct 06 09:55 |
schestowitz | It's almost frowned upon.. the notion of sharing | Oct 06 09:56 |
schestowitz | And now they pass Draconian laws here, as in France | Oct 06 09:56 |
schestowitz | So you could be taken offline for sharing a distro | Oct 06 09:56 |
trmanco | heh | Oct 06 09:56 |
schestowitz | False positives | Oct 06 09:56 |
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fewa | oiaohm, Nexuiz? downloading | Oct 06 10:02 |
fewa | o yeah u on campus schestowitz ? | Oct 06 10:03 |
schestowitz | Ys, thre's JANET here | Oct 06 10:03 |
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fewa | makes me think of Chomsky talking about the ARPANET | Oct 06 10:04 |
schestowitz | Outside here I can hardly stream hd | Oct 06 10:04 |
fewa | there is fiber really near me | Oct 06 10:04 |
fewa | but they dont sell to consumers | Oct 06 10:04 |
schestowitz | fewa: chomsky also explained why campus is essential | Oct 06 10:05 |
schestowitz | To one's free actions | Oct 06 10:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] pay your shareware fees! or we will deploy ... the PUPPIES! http://imgur.com/fpuWa.jpg HT @picturecool | Oct 06 10:06 | |
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schestowitz | fewa: turns out rms was invited to campus by a professor | Oct 06 10:06 |
schestowitz | He was going to make the mistake of making gnu outside mit | Oct 06 10:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @davidgerard puppies don't no nothin' bout 7zip http://imgur.com/fpuWa.jpg http://www.7-zip.org/ | Oct 06 10:10 | |
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fewa | netsplit | Oct 06 10:13 |
schestowitz | [10:06] <schestowitz> fewa: turns out rms was invited to campus by a professor | Oct 06 10:13 |
schestowitz | [10:06] <schestowitz> He was going to make the mistake of making gnu outside mit | Oct 06 10:13 |
schestowitz | [10:11] <fewa> certainly would have been a mistake | Oct 06 10:13 |
schestowitz | [10:13] <fewa> netsplit | Oct 06 10:13 |
schestowitz_log | -BNc/#boycottnovell- [scientes] RT @davidgerard puppies don't no nothin' bout 7zip http://imgur.com/fpuWa.jpg http://www.7-zip.org/ | Oct 06 10:14 |
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schestowitz | http://youtube.com/?v=iUFtKUY_yGY | Oct 06 10:16 |
schestowitz | They keep throwing em at YouTube | Oct 06 10:16 |
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schestowitz | And when I point this out they don't like it | Oct 06 10:16 |
schestowitz | "Get out of OUR way! We're advertising!!" | Oct 06 10:16 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r0olsqWJnk | Oct 06 10:17 |
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schestowitz | Found in the "Novell" feed :-S | Oct 06 10:18 |
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schestowitz | MOG: [Fwd: Trustee Backs SCO's Litigation Against Novell] | Oct 06 10:22 |
schestowitz | "Trustee Backs SCO's Litigation Against Novell - SYS-CON Media (press release)" | Oct 06 10:22 |
schestowitz | Press release??? | Oct 06 10:22 |
schestowitz | Sounds like MOG does the shilling, still | Oct 06 10:22 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-04-003-35-NW-SS-RL-0004 | Oct 06 10:39 |
schestowitz | "It works fine in LinuxMint. What's the matter with OpenSuSE?!? " | Oct 06 10:39 |
phIRCe | Title: Linux Today - OpenSUSE 11.2 poised for release .::. Size~: 75.18 KB | Oct 06 10:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm, hoping that me filing this bug doesn't make me look like too much of a prude http://bit.ly/350cIg | Oct 06 10:45 | |
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schestowitz | grub2 has lots of work left to do... First impressions of GRUB2 < http://my.stargazer.at/2009/10/05/first-impressions-of-grub2/ > | Oct 06 10:45 |
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schestowitz | I know the maintainer | Oct 06 10:45 |
schestowitz | "* Compiz is still around but you might like to check out Desktop Effects under System / System Settings / Desktop first. (I particularly like the Fall Apart option for closed windows ...)" | Oct 06 10:46 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux-love/2009/10/hidden_linux_learning_to_love.html | Oct 06 10:46 |
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schestowitz | I enabled it yesterday. It's nice | Oct 06 10:46 |
schestowitz | Exploding windows | Oct 06 10:46 |
Diablo-D3 | people use brtfs on root? | Oct 06 10:47 |
Diablo-D3 | FAIL | Oct 06 10:47 |
Diablo-D3 | people use gentoo? | Oct 06 10:48 |
Diablo-D3 | FAIL | Oct 06 10:48 |
oiaohm | As root should not be a issue as long as boot is sane for a proto machine Diablo-D3 | Oct 06 10:48 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes, but lots of shit chokes on it | Oct 06 10:49 |
schestowitz | ECT is feeding an attack site against us: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/68286.html?wlc=1254822096 | Oct 06 10:49 |
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oiaohm | Lot of stuff choking on it also is more touchy to secuirty settings Diablo-D3 | Oct 06 10:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] AUGH MY EYES RT@rosefox Xtina just pointed me at http://www.regretsy.com/ . *STARE STARE STARE* | Oct 06 10:51 | |
phIRCe | Title: Regretsy - Handmade? It looks like you made it with your feet .::. Size~: 26.91 KB | Oct 06 10:52 |
oiaohm | so proto machine running btrfs does provide something useful. | Oct 06 10:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: Shut up 'n play yer Wangcaster http://bit.ly/ESzuc | Oct 06 10:56 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.raditha.com/blog/archives/chess-on-linux.html | Oct 06 11:02 |
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oiaohm | http://www.dreamchess.org/ No dreamchess? | Oct 06 11:05 |
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schestowitz | http://blog.someone.exofire.net/2009/10/creating-a-hard-drive-backup/ | Oct 06 11:07 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: nope | Oct 06 11:07 |
schestowitz | There's no showoff there of the stunning 3d boards | Oct 06 11:07 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: http://freshmeat.net/projects/othellomaster | Oct 06 11:08 |
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schestowitz | ^my program | Oct 06 11:08 |
oiaohm | Nice schestowitz | Oct 06 11:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @picturecool No, I'm sorry you're available in my country [pic] #photo http://bit.ly/BpZoB | Oct 06 11:20 | |
oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd8_ubuntu910&num=7 Ok ouch | Oct 06 11:28 |
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oiaohm | sqlite is still hitting performance walls | Oct 06 11:28 |
oiaohm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/02/actuate_open_source_survey/ Interesting numbers | Oct 06 11:31 |
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schestowitz | China puts Linux on many machines | Oct 06 11:34 |
schestowitz | IIRC, like 25% | Oct 06 11:34 |
schestowitz | Don't count on the figure | Oct 06 11:34 |
schestowitz | It's from memory | Oct 06 11:34 |
schestowitz | Many get replaced by illegal WIndows | Oct 06 11:34 |
schestowitz | Some don't | Oct 06 11:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Drat! Tried to get as #444444 http://bit.ly/12jRxp but got #444445 http://bit.ly/JHQVm will try again when 555555 comes round ;) | Oct 06 11:36 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Drat!Tried to get bug 444444 http://bit.ly/12jRxp but got 444445 http://bit.ly/JHQVm Will try again when 555555 comes round ;) | Oct 06 11:37 | |
phIRCe | Title: Bug #444444 in linux (Ubuntu): “Cannot drop to other run levels in Karmic NBR live disk” .::. Size~: 44.38 KB | Oct 06 11:37 |
phIRCe | Title: Bug #444445 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu): “Add-ons dialog shouldn't appear on first run on live cd” .::. Size~: 34.7 KB | Oct 06 11:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/WeESe shown to me by @alanbelltolc yesterday. Best Karmic wallpaper I've seen | Oct 06 11:41 | |
schestowitz | Hhe. | Oct 06 11:41 |
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schestowitz | Software Popularity Stats, 6th October 2009. | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | Top 10 Windows Downloads (download.com). | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | No | Downloads | Name | Type | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | |--------------------------------------------------------------------| | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 1 | 1,439,289 | AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition | Anti-Malware | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 2 | 961,282 | Avira AntiVir Personal | Anti-Malware | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 3 | 635,270 | Avast Home Edition | Anti-Malware | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 4 | 564,455 | Malwarebytes Anti-Malware | Anti-Malware | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 5 | 483,105 | LimeWire | Piracy | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 6 | 412,024 | YouTube Downloader | Piracy | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 7 | 367,946 | WinRAR (32-bit) | Piracy * | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 8 | 317,798 | Ad-Aware Anniversary Edition | Anti-Malware | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 9 | 255,168 | Advanced SystemCare Free | B0rk Fixer | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | | 10 | 247,698 | IObit Security 360 | Anti-Malware | | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | [*] Although actually an archiver, rather than a piracy tool, WinRAR is | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | used almost exclusively to (un)archive pirate software distributed | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | (mainly) on binary Usenet groups, and as such is classified here under | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | the heading of "Piracy". | Oct 06 11:41 |
schestowitz | Top 10 Linux Projects by Popularity (freshmeat.net) | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | (based on number of subscriptions, URL hits and record hits) | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | ----------------------------------------------- | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | No | Score | Name | Type | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | |-----------------------------------------------| | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 1 | 100 | gcc | Dev | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 2 | 99.31 | Apache | Web | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 3 | 89.67 | cdrtools | Utility | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 4 | 80.54 | Linux (kernel) | OS | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 5 | 59.89 | PostgreSQL | Database | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 6 | 51.34 | VLC | Multimedia | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 7 | 42.16 | ClamAV | Anti-Malware * | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 8 | 41.91 | MPlayer | Multimedia | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 9 | 36.88 | MySQL | Database | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | 10 | 36.40 | PHP | Dev | | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | ----------------------------------------------- | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | [*] This anti-malware tool runs under GNU/Linux, but is only needed to | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | scan for malware on Windows systems, or malware transmitted by Windows | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | systems (e.g. botnets) through GNU/Linux mail servers. | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | Percentile Distribution by application type. | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | --------------------------------- | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | OS | Windows | Linux | | Oct 06 11:42 |
Diablo-D3 | clamav is awesome, btw | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | |---------------------------------| | Oct 06 11:42 |
schestowitz | | Type | % | % | | Oct 06 11:43 |
schestowitz | |---------------------------------| | Oct 06 11:43 |
schestowitz | | Anti-Malware | 73.29 | 6.61 | | Oct 06 11:43 |
schestowitz | | Piracy | 22.22 | 0 | | Oct 06 11:43 |
schestowitz | | Other | 4.49 | 93.39 | | Oct 06 11:43 |
schestowitz | --------------------------------- | Oct 06 11:43 |
schestowitz | Final score: Linux 93.39, Windows 4.49. | Oct 06 11:43 |
schestowitz | (Legitimate and productive use). | Oct 06 11:43 |
schestowitz | from [H]omer | Oct 06 11:43 |
oiaohm | clamav + real time scanning you really don't need the others most of the time. | Oct 06 11:43 |
Diablo-D3 | I use clamwin on windows | Oct 06 11:43 |
Diablo-D3 | its clamav + a windows ui | Oct 06 11:43 |
oiaohm | Real-time support of clamav sux on windows. | Oct 06 11:43 |
Diablo-D3 | its basically the best av scanner out there | Oct 06 11:43 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes and no | Oct 06 11:43 |
Diablo-D3 | if you dont get viruses, there isnt a big issue to begin with | Oct 06 11:43 |
Diablo-D3 | I dont | Oct 06 11:44 |
Diablo-D3 | windows doesnt get viruses if you're not a fucking moron | Oct 06 11:44 |
oiaohm | I have not found realtime scanning for email an the like. | Oct 06 11:44 |
fewa | if you get a windows virus anti-viruses are powerless against them | Oct 06 11:44 |
oiaohm | On windows for clamav. | Oct 06 11:44 |
fewa | at least the professional ones | Oct 06 11:44 |
Diablo-D3 | fewa: yes | Oct 06 11:44 |
fewa | cause there is no security on windows | Oct 06 11:44 |
Diablo-D3 | all an antivirus is for is to tell you to reinstall windows | Oct 06 11:44 |
Diablo-D3 | it cant "remove" it | Oct 06 11:44 |
fewa | no multi-user security | Oct 06 11:44 |
oiaohm | Some of the bot viruses are getting hard to get. | Oct 06 11:44 |
Diablo-D3 | it can horribly fuck up your system, but you cant remove it | Oct 06 11:44 |
oiaohm | Since they have like a windows update. | Oct 06 11:45 |
oiaohm | Ie update just as fast as you can get attack tools | Oct 06 11:45 |
fewa | really easy for viruses to run in other legitimate threads, even without its own thread | Oct 06 11:45 |
fewa | or even run entirely in kernel mode | Oct 06 11:45 |
oiaohm | That is a big bug of windows you cannot see cleanly into kernel mode to find out what is going on down there. | Oct 06 11:45 |
fewa | the big bug of windows is windows itsself | Oct 06 11:46 |
oiaohm | That is a design error fewa | Oct 06 11:46 |
oiaohm | Most of the others are bad coding. | Oct 06 11:46 |
oiaohm | Like in XP MS decided not to check Direct X passed data because it would save a little time. | Oct 06 11:48 |
fewa | the GNU/Linux package model is really the only model that will work | Oct 06 11:48 |
fewa | no insecure downloads | Oct 06 11:48 |
trmanco | lol | Oct 06 11:48 |
trmanco | I found a new method for spamming | Oct 06 11:49 |
fewa | infinity+1 | Oct 06 11:49 |
trmanco | copy a comment as paste it again :| | Oct 06 11:49 |
oiaohm | ostatic is worse. | Oct 06 11:49 |
trmanco | I just caught a spam comment that copied what I've said and it passed my spam filters :| | Oct 06 11:49 |
oiaohm | reload page. | Oct 06 11:49 |
oiaohm | And it duplictes comment no double check that is a unique send. | Oct 06 11:50 |
fewa | irc has that, clonebots | Oct 06 11:50 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] SAP lobbying for software patents at the US Supreme Court: http://i5.be/MR | Oct 06 11:54 | |
oiaohm | I can under stand why SAP is upto backing patents. Then need something to slow Orcale down. | Oct 06 11:56 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Advertising Proving Effective http://bit.ly/nbNWi | Oct 06 11:57 | |
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Diablo-D3 | nothing can slow orcl down | Oct 06 11:57 |
trmanco | http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/song-chart-memes-operating-systems.jpg | Oct 06 11:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Instant-on Advancements Bring #GNU #Linux to More and More PCs (Many Millions) http://bit.ly/aKuv6 http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/05/ ... | Oct 06 11:58 | |
trmanco | ... | Oct 06 11:58 |
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Diablo-D3 | trmanco: wow | Oct 06 11:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LSE 's Italian Subsidiary to Move to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/W4INV | Oct 06 11:58 | |
fewa | Windows user friendly, my ass | Oct 06 11:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Next #Linux (2.6.32) Leaps Faster Towards Release http://bit.ly/5o5sn http://bit.ly/fM1F8 | Oct 06 12:00 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] All the briefs on Bilski are here: http://awakenip.com/Bilski | Oct 06 12:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: (via arielstroud) http://tumblr.com/xkj3eiye9 | Oct 06 12:03 | |
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schestowitz | trmanco: Linux is not an operating system | Oct 06 12:03 |
schestowitz | It's a platform | Oct 06 12:03 |
schestowitz | KDE4 is a very user-friendly env | Oct 06 12:03 |
schestowitz | This ven chart encourages myths | Oct 06 12:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: poignant: http://tumblr.com/xkj3eiyqr | Oct 06 12:03 | |
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schestowitz | It should say "bilski vs. the people" | Oct 06 12:04 |
schestowitz | Not "vs kappos" | Oct 06 12:04 |
trmanco | LOL | Oct 06 12:04 |
schestowitz | Kappos too is vs the people | Oct 06 12:04 |
trmanco | tumblr is acting weird | Oct 06 12:04 |
schestowitz | He's in the intellectual monopoly office | Oct 06 12:04 |
oiaohm | No one has a clear define of userfriendly. | Oct 06 12:04 |
oiaohm | I remember the last time someone tried to answer it. | Oct 06 12:05 |
schestowitz | user friendly = I'm used to it | Oct 06 12:05 |
schestowitz | Caveman-friendly | Oct 06 12:05 |
schestowitz | Jobs insists on ONE button | Oct 06 12:05 |
schestowitz | And gives no option for changing how top menus change | Oct 06 12:05 |
schestowitz | That's NOT user friendly | Oct 06 12:05 |
schestowitz | It's TELLING the users what to like | Oct 06 12:06 |
schestowitz | To me, user friendly means being friendly to user's needs | Oct 06 12:06 |
schestowitz | Not imposing on them some stuff | Oct 06 12:06 |
schestowitz | Windows is more open to OS X | Oct 06 12:06 |
fewa | lol | Oct 06 12:09 |
fewa | kappos is actually the USPTO | Oct 06 12:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: landscapelifescape: http://tumblr.com/xkj3ej06i | Oct 06 12:09 | |
fewa | which is not the problem in the patent system | Oct 06 12:10 |
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fewa | Bilski wishes to patent a business method | Oct 06 12:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Coverage from #LinuxCon Includes Warning About Microsoft's Attacks http://lwn.net/Articles/353823/ | Oct 06 12:11 | |
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fewa | whatever user friendly windows is not | Oct 06 12:11 |
fewa | seriously, when have you considered that a windows computer was your friend | Oct 06 12:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: (via proli) http://tumblr.com/xkj3ej0we | Oct 06 12:12 | |
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fewa | rather than your enemy | Oct 06 12:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Explicitly Announces #Linux Support for New #Printers mallbusinesscomputing.com/buyersguide/article.php/3842306 | Oct 06 12:12 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Becomes a Powerful #Video Viewer http://bit.ly/P2dJq http://bit.ly/19stSx | Oct 06 12:14 | |
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omar | Hi all. | Oct 06 12:15 |
schestowitz | fewa: kappos is Big Blue | Oct 06 12:15 |
schestowitz | Corporovermentpeople | Oct 06 12:15 |
schestowitz | A lot of people don't know how their authorities work | Oct 06 12:16 |
schestowitz | Schools won't teach them, either. It might lad to dancing{Tm} | Oct 06 12:16 |
schestowitz | Hi, omar | Oct 06 12:17 |
omar | schestowitz, hey there Roy. Whats up? | Oct 06 12:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google/Chrome Has Wave, New Themes, Linux Versions http://bit.ly/f5XYQ http://bit.ly/rKm7H http://bit.ly/1amO0K http://bit.ly/pKFBe htt ... | Oct 06 12:19 | |
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schestowitz | Nothing much. I'll do some posts soon. | Oct 06 12:20 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft is attacking RMS | Oct 06 12:20 |
schestowitz | Via its shills | Oct 06 12:20 |
MinceR | so what else is new? :> | Oct 06 12:20 |
schestowitz | Evidence | Oct 06 12:22 |
oiaohm | So ms slipped up with there orders schestowitz? | Oct 06 12:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Receives More Great Reviews http://bit.ly/11Ujqo http://bit.ly/1ceudV http://bit.ly/2tR6dX | Oct 06 12:24 | |
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omar | Man! I got really excited after reading Verofacto's enemies list. | Oct 06 12:24 |
schestowitz | They face resistance, oiaohm | Oct 06 12:24 |
omar | Finally, at least I'm being recognized as a semi-famous internet figure. :D | Oct 06 12:25 |
schestowitz | You do bad [to Microsoft et al] | Oct 06 12:25 |
schestowitz | Miguel is there too | Oct 06 12:26 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slackware #GNU #Linux 13.0 in Review http://bit.ly/NKYLT | Oct 06 12:26 | |
schestowitz | A friend of these people | Oct 06 12:27 |
phIRCe | Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 102.21 KB | Oct 06 12:27 |
MinceR | what does m$ have evidence of? | Oct 06 12:27 |
fewa | ahhh | Oct 06 12:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the Latest #PuppyLinux (4.3) http://www.mygnulinux.com/?p=385 | Oct 06 12:30 | |
phIRCe | Title: My GNU/Linux » Puppy Linux 4.3 (step by step installation with screenshots) .::. Size~: 25.8 KB | Oct 06 12:30 |
oiaohm | Gnome might be in trouble. | Oct 06 12:30 |
oiaohm | KDE trip gave gnome a major market gain. | Oct 06 12:30 |
fewa | gnome 3 is coming up | Oct 06 12:31 |
fewa | schestowitz, who was Doll? | Oct 06 12:32 |
fewa | Bilski v Doll | Oct 06 12:32 |
fewa | I expected it to stay as In Re Bilski | Oct 06 12:32 |
fewa | as they are still trying to get their patent reexamined by the courts | Oct 06 12:32 |
fewa | they have never won | Oct 06 12:33 |
fewa | and it is highly unlikely that they will | Oct 06 12:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Family Has Two New Releases: #Sabayon #Linux 5.0 and Gentoo LiveDVD http://bit.ly/zCrcq http://bit.ly/2meUL | Oct 06 12:33 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Has Big Ambitions on the #Server Side http://bit.ly/11n8Cp http://bit.ly/T9M3b | Oct 06 12:36 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Receives More Fantastic Reviews (Even in Beta) http://www.daniweb.com/news/story227894.html http://bit.ly/g1Yv8 | Oct 06 12:37 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People must remember that for the first time ever, Microsoft warned its investors about desktop Linux in July. | Oct 06 12:37 | |
trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/open/Stallman-vs-the-CodePlex-Foundation-and-Miguel-de-Icaza--/news/114396 | Oct 06 12:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu GNU/Linux 9.10 Starts Looking a Lot Better http://bit.ly/c9NoI http://bit.ly/2dkdLs | Oct 06 12:39 | |
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trmanco | http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/Windows-7-to-come-in-Steve-Ballmer-edition/0,339028227,339298890,00.htm?feed=rss | Oct 06 12:40 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: ah! | Oct 06 12:40 |
schestowitz | He beat me to it | Oct 06 12:40 |
fewa | lol | Oct 06 12:40 |
schestowitz | I was just going to blog something similar | Oct 06 12:40 |
fewa | Chair! | Oct 06 12:40 |
trmanco | heh | Oct 06 12:40 |
fewa | "flying chair edition" | Oct 06 12:41 |
trmanco | http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/Google-urges-web-adoption-of-vector-graphics/0,339028227,339298906,00.htm?feed=rss | Oct 06 12:41 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft: "NO!!!!!1' | Oct 06 12:41 |
schestowitz | "Use Silver Lie" | Oct 06 12:41 |
fewa | Microsoft: no standards allowed | Oct 06 12:41 |
trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138979/After_attacks_Adobe_patches_now_come_faster?source=rss_news | Oct 06 12:42 |
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trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138978/Nasty_banking_Trojan_makes_mules_of_victims?source=rss_news | Oct 06 12:43 |
phIRCe | Title: Nasty banking Trojan makes mules of victims .::. Size~: 126.62 KB | Oct 06 12:43 |
fewa | SVG web pages are cool | Oct 06 12:43 |
schestowitz | trmanco: old news about the Trojan? | Oct 06 12:44 |
schestowitz | The Microsoft puppet Finjan? | Oct 06 12:44 |
trmanco | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/320998/pentagon_our_cloud_better_than_google?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Oct 06 12:44 |
schestowitz | ANd lobbyist for swpats | Oct 06 12:44 |
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trmanco | old news... heh | Oct 06 12:45 |
trmanco | any type of malware these days for windows is old news :-P | Oct 06 12:45 |
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fewa | oiaohm, you keep disconnecting | Oct 06 12:45 |
oiaohm | I don't know why fewa | Oct 06 12:47 |
trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/06/pirate_bay_down_again/ | Oct 06 12:47 |
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oiaohm | I am on limited connection speed for the next few days. | Oct 06 12:47 |
trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/05/fraudulent_paypay_certificate_published/ | Oct 06 12:48 |
phIRCe | Title: IE, Chrome, Safari duped by bogus PayPal SSL cert • The Register .::. Size~: 26.53 KB | Oct 06 12:48 |
trmanco | so much for the FUD about Firefox | Oct 06 12:48 |
trmanco | "If you use the Internet Explorer, Google Chrome or Apple Safari browsers during PayPal transactions, now would be a good time to switch over to the decidedly more secure Firefox alternative." | Oct 06 12:48 |
MinceR | pwnt | Oct 06 12:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Get Ready for #GNU #Linux (Ubuntu 9.10) Launch Parties http://bit.ly/S3hVM http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1922 http://bit.ly/2L1UFe | Oct 06 12:49 | |
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oiaohm | The party is a KDE tradition. | Oct 06 12:49 |
fewa | Firefox does very well at security | Oct 06 12:50 |
fewa | big thing i disagree with however, is the blocking of self-signed certificates | Oct 06 12:50 |
fewa | i think chrome handles them better | Oct 06 12:50 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] IE, Chrome, Safari duped by bogus PayPal SSL cert: http://is.gd/40eLi | Firefox is NOT vulnerable... | Oct 06 12:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Version of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux - Overview http://bit.ly/kmlkG | Oct 06 12:51 | |
phIRCe | Title: IE, Chrome, Safari duped by bogus PayPal SSL cert • The Register .::. Size~: 26.53 KB | Oct 06 12:51 |
phIRCe | Title: 7 Things To Look Out For In Kubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala .::. Size~: 62.29 KB | Oct 06 12:51 |
fewa | The identity bar was a really good firefox 3 addition | Oct 06 12:51 |
fewa | "That's because a hacker on Monday published a counterfeit secure sockets layer certificate that exploits a gaping hole in a Microsoft library used by all three of those browsers. Although the certificate is fraudulent, it appears to all three to be a completely legitimate credential vouching for the online payment service. The bug was disclosed more than nine weeks ago, but Microsoft has yet to fix it." | Oct 06 12:52 |
fewa | wow | Oct 06 12:52 |
fewa | security illusions | Oct 06 12:52 |
fewa | makes me think of the NSA key in Windows | Oct 06 12:53 |
fewa | and who yesterday said windows could be made secure? | Oct 06 12:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Netgear Turns to #Linux http://bit.ly/lpjzn http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/10/05/netgear.bows.linux.based.rangemax.router/ htt ... | Oct 06 12:54 | |
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fewa | http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2009/mfsa2009-42.html | Oct 06 12:58 |
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trmanco | more here http://news.softpedia.com/news/Rogue-PayPal-SSL-Certificate-Available-in-the-Wild-123486.shtml | Oct 06 12:58 |
phIRCe | Title: Rogue PayPal SSL Certificate Available in the Wild - IE, Safari and Chrome users beware - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.41 KB | Oct 06 12:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Spreads #Qt Further (Helping KDE Reach) http://bit.ly/3CbcJQ | Oct 06 12:59 | |
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trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Kill-Project-Pink-123482.shtml | Oct 06 12:59 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #Phones Grow Fast http://bit.ly/KEJT1 | Oct 06 12:59 | |
phIRCe | Title: Android, Palm Pre growing fast in mobile data usage - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 66.81 KB | Oct 06 13:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm Pre Reviews Published, Lockdown of WebOS a Drawback http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6863/1/ http://bit.ly/ikdlA | Oct 06 13:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Apache HTTP Server 2.2.14 released : http://is.gd/40fIB | Oct 06 13:03 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MaximumPC Says #GNU #Linux is Ideal Choice for #Subnotebooks http://bit.ly/dJ2i8 | Oct 06 13:03 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Goes Ahead with #Sugar http://bit.ly/13H0pH | Oct 06 13:04 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] c | Oct 06 13:09 | |
trmanco | http://mono-nono.com/2009/10/06/on-apologetics/ | Oct 06 13:10 |
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trmanco | interesting read | Oct 06 13:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Version of Apache is Released http://bit.ly/7rxz9 | Oct 06 13:12 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] RT @computerworlduk Google asks Microsoft to support vector graphics on browser - Web Site Management - ComputerworldUK http://ow.ly/sHJp | Oct 06 13:12 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft had only 77 patents in 1995, was already in a monopoly position: http://i5.be/MS | Oct 06 13:13 | |
phIRCe | Title: Slashdot Submission | FSF brief: patents block compatibility, harm users .::. Size~: 47.92 KB | Oct 06 13:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sun's Simon Phipps Explains "Open" Labels http://bit.ly/3sC6af People should talk about Freedom, not open | Oct 06 13:17 | |
phIRCe | Title: Truth In Labelling [on Simon Phipps, SunMink] .::. Size~: 43.26 KB | Oct 06 13:17 |
oiaohm | fewa me said windows could be made kinda secure but remember I said it would be highly unuseable. | Oct 06 13:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Rises in the #Philippines http://bit.ly/88cIj | Oct 06 13:18 | |
phIRCe | Title: Open source adoption still strong in RP - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos .::. Size~: 83.44 KB | Oct 06 13:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Tells #Microsoft to Embrace Web Standards http://bit.ly/13yoCo http://bit.ly/3YOUm | Oct 06 13:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "Perhaps the most glaring obstacles faced by Windows Mobile reside in its own shortcomings." http://tinyurl.com/y9tg73f | Oct 06 13:27 | |
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trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Cloud-Critical-to-Slashing-Costs-for-the-University-System-of-Ohio-123503.shtml | Oct 06 13:28 |
phIRCe | Title: Microsoft Cloud Critical to Slashing Costs for the University System of Ohio - Via the Education Alliance Agreement - Softpedia .::. Size~: 50.7 KB | Oct 06 13:28 |
trmanco | I wonder how long until they will regret this | Oct 06 13:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DavidLetterman Uses #IntellectualMonopolies for #Censorship http://bit.ly/3xPMoR http://techdirt.com/articles/20091004/2035136412.shtml | Oct 06 13:35 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft- taxed #LiMo and #Android Phones Come from #Sellout #Samsung http://bit.ly/2HO23 http://bit.ly/Z7T6q | Oct 06 13:36 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Uses #rPath Ideas to Market Its #Microsoft -taxed Distribution http://bit.ly/BU3Uo http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=1370 | Oct 06 13:39 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] False #Vista7 Advertising Exposed and Explained http://bit.ly/zurGj http://bit.ly/KYFSh | Oct 06 13:40 | |
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schestowitz | trmanco: SoftPedia does placements for them occcasionally | Oct 06 13:41 |
schestowitz | seems like an ad | Oct 06 13:41 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Laptop Giveaways Are Officially a Crime http://bit.ly/pkNSr | Oct 06 13:44 | |
phIRCe | Title: BLOGGERS BEWARE, CONFESS OR BE FINED. « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 33.01 KB | Oct 06 13:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Abuses #IntellectualMonopolies http://techdirt.com/articles/20091005/0028486413.shtml http://bit.ly/AKz3o | Oct 06 13:45 | |
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oiaohm | Woolworths is part of a huge chain of shops. Some of the other branches sell iphones schestowitz | Oct 06 13:56 |
Diablo-D3 | apple needs to fuck off | Oct 06 13:58 |
Diablo-D3 | the new w logo is not an apple | Oct 06 13:58 |
Diablo-D3 | its not even a w | Oct 06 13:58 |
Diablo-D3 | its the official symbol of homosexuality in 2009 | Oct 06 13:58 |
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Omar87 | Diablo-D3, it makes me sick how Mac users talk about it as if it's some kind of a holy relic. | Oct 06 14:04 |
Diablo-D3 | Omar87: its not | Oct 06 14:04 |
Diablo-D3 | the old one is | Oct 06 14:04 |
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Diablo-D3 | the new one is.... it feels too much like apple did it just because web 2.0 or some shit | Oct 06 14:05 |
Omar87 | Diablo-D3, What old one? | Oct 06 14:05 |
Diablo-D3 | Omar87: the old apple logo with the rainbow colors | Oct 06 14:05 |
Omar87 | Diablo-D3, yeah. | Oct 06 14:06 |
Omar87 | Diablo-D3, that logo was much better. | Oct 06 14:06 |
Diablo-D3 | I was going to use the logo changing app thats out there | Oct 06 14:06 |
Omar87 | Diablo-D3, it made much more sense. | Oct 06 14:06 |
Diablo-D3 | but I forgot one thing | Oct 06 14:06 |
Diablo-D3 | the logo appears when osx boots, not when the machine boots | Oct 06 14:06 |
Diablo-D3 | so I never see it if I boot linux | Oct 06 14:07 |
oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolworths_Limited schestowitz dick smiths and tandy under the woolworths chain sell iphones and other mac gear. | Oct 06 14:07 |
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Diablo-D3 | dick smiths? | Oct 06 14:08 |
Diablo-D3 | you can smith a dick? | Oct 06 14:08 |
Diablo-D3 | I mean, I've heard of blacksmiths | Oct 06 14:08 |
Diablo-D3 | but dicksmiths? | Oct 06 14:08 |
Omar87 | Diablo-D3, lol :) | Oct 06 14:09 |
oiaohm | Its a name of a electronics store here Diablo-D3 | Oct 06 14:09 |
oiaohm | The owner was at one point a person called dick smith | Oct 06 14:09 |
oiaohm | Before it got taken over by the Woolworths group. | Oct 06 14:10 |
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sPDNR2YS3s | Oct 06 14:11 | |
Diablo-D3 | why couldnt they just call it richard smiths | Oct 06 14:11 |
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Diablo-D3 | or RS | Oct 06 14:11 |
Diablo-D3 | or... wait | Oct 06 14:12 |
schestowitz | Any documentary anyone can recommend? | Oct 06 14:12 |
Diablo-D3 | RS? holy fuck, they're... RADIO SHACK?! | Oct 06 14:12 |
Diablo-D3 | BURN IT WITH FIRE! | Oct 06 14:12 |
oiaohm | Dick smiths solid some circuit designs to Radio shack. | Oct 06 14:13 |
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Omar87 | Anyone knows some books/documents or website that talk about encryption and steganography? | Oct 06 14:15 |
MinceR | DickSmith? :> | Oct 06 14:17 |
MinceR | that would be a funny brand | Oct 06 14:18 |
oiaohm | They normally use DSE these days as brand. It stands for of all things Dick Smith Electronics. | Oct 06 14:20 |
Diablo-D3 | Omar87: surprisingly, wikipedia | Oct 06 14:20 |
Diablo-D3 | so they're electronic smiths? | Oct 06 14:20 |
Diablo-D3 | no wait, that'd describe daft punk | Oct 06 14:20 |
oiaohm | http://steghide.sourceforge.net/ You found this MinceR? | Oct 06 14:20 |
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Omar87 | Diablo-D3, umm, I know the Wikipedia article. But I want more depth. | Oct 06 14:21 |
oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Usa person trying to understand an australian brand is always funny. | Oct 06 14:21 |
Diablo-D3 | Omar87: dont worry, I've already reported you to the fbi for trying to hide child porn | Oct 06 14:21 |
Omar87 | Diablo-D3, like, for example, what are some famous steganographic algorithms. | Oct 06 14:22 |
oiaohm | Opps wrong person Omar87 you found steghide ? | Oct 06 14:22 |
Omar87 | oiaohm, excuse me? | Oct 06 14:22 |
oiaohm | The program steghide open source Omar87 | Oct 06 14:23 |
Omar87 | oiaohm, really? Cool! | Oct 06 14:23 |
Omar87 | oiaohm, I'll google it right away! | Oct 06 14:23 |
Diablo-D3 | [09:21:02] <oiaohm> http://steghide.sourceforge.net/ | Oct 06 14:23 |
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Diablo-D3 | earth to omar | Oct 06 14:23 |
Omar87 | Diablo-D3, oiaohm, thanks amigos. :) | Oct 06 14:24 |
oiaohm | steghide is old only really good for reference these days. | Oct 06 14:25 |
Omar87 | Very, old. :) | Oct 06 14:25 |
Diablo-D3 | shit dude | Oct 06 14:25 |
Omar87 | But at least it can be used for studying purposes. | Oct 06 14:26 |
Diablo-D3 | just hide your child porn in the wall like all the other sick pigs do | Oct 06 14:26 |
Diablo-D3 | quit hiding it in other porn | Oct 06 14:26 |
Diablo-D3 | thats just wrong | Oct 06 14:26 |
Omar87 | Diablo-D3, could you please stop? :) | Oct 06 14:26 |
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oiaohm | http://stegoshare.sourceforge.net/ is what Diablo-D3 is refering to. Yes don't hang out in P2P for images you can get yourself mixed up in big annoying legal problems. | Oct 06 14:29 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Pronto, liguei agora a tv (já nao a ligava a meses) e quem é que me aparece a falar da Amália? O Goucha, claro, a beber o chá de jasmin... | Oct 06 14:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Desliguei a televisão e voltei para o computador... e já nao a devo ligar por mais uns meses... | Oct 06 14:31 | |
MinceR | oiaohm: i don't think i did | Oct 06 14:31 |
*MinceR hides child porn in Diablo-D3's porn | Oct 06 14:32 | |
oiaohm | That is the problem its hard to detect MinceR without the master image. | Oct 06 14:33 |
Diablo-D3 | hmm, that leads to a problem | Oct 06 14:33 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: if I fap to the porn, does that also mean Im fapping to child porn? | Oct 06 14:33 |
MinceR | lol | Oct 06 14:33 |
MinceR | well, only if your brain decodes the steganography and you consciously detect the child porn | Oct 06 14:34 |
Diablo-D3 | well damn. | Oct 06 14:34 |
oiaohm | stego is also used for audio watermarking. | Oct 06 14:34 |
Diablo-D3 | crap, if Im listening to pirated metallica I could also be looking at child porn with my ears?! | Oct 06 14:35 |
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oiaohm | Does give you another reason to stay well clear of not trustable content on p2p. | Oct 06 14:35 |
oiaohm | Hang out with crimes problem is very soon you are hanging out with the ones you never want to meet. | Oct 06 14:36 |
oiaohm | Mind you videos are even better because they are larger and can store more Diablo-D3 | Oct 06 14:37 |
MinceR | and the problem with staying away from it results in slavery. | Oct 06 14:37 |
MinceR | s/from it/& is that it/ | Oct 06 14:38 |
oiaohm | Not really. | Oct 06 14:38 |
trmanco | http://pedrofaustino.blogspot.com/2009/09/d-link-dva-g3170i-gpl-violation.html | Oct 06 14:38 |
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oiaohm | Most key thing is trackablity MinceR. Most doing illegal don't want to be tracked. So like creative commons music and the like safe. Development of groups to produce stuff you want legally is the way forwards. | Oct 06 14:39 |
oiaohm | Also tracking allow you if you do get one point to there my source go get the prick. | Oct 06 14:40 |
MinceR | huh? | Oct 06 14:46 |
Diablo-D3 | omfg | Oct 06 14:46 |
Diablo-D3 | uxa has replaced exa? | Oct 06 14:46 |
Diablo-D3 | how many fucking acceleration archetectures is there! | Oct 06 14:46 |
MinceR | we currently have room for 26 ;) | Oct 06 14:46 |
oiaohm | LOL | Oct 06 14:48 |
oiaohm | uxa and exa are basically the same Diablo-D3 | Oct 06 14:48 |
oiaohm | exa is dri1 form uxa is dri2 form. | Oct 06 14:48 |
Diablo-D3 | ahh | Oct 06 14:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Whodathunk a postcode would be someone's "intellectual property"? http://tinyurl.com/y94ea82 | Oct 06 14:54 | |
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oiaohm | Hmm that could get interesting. | Oct 06 14:54 |
oiaohm | If someone decided to charage you like 1 cent every time you used a post code. | Oct 06 14:55 |
oiaohm | It would stack up. | Oct 06 14:55 |
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twitter2 | good morining | Oct 06 15:22 |
twitter2 | Over the weekend, I saw Dell deamonizing "OPEN SOURCE" | Oct 06 15:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MigueldeIcaza Compares #RichardStallman to George Bush http://ping.fm/adJRb #novell #smear | Oct 06 15:24 | |
phIRCe | Title: Miguel de Icaza Compares Richard Stallman to George Bush | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 96.27 KB | Oct 06 15:24 |
schestowitz | twitter2: where? | Oct 06 15:24 |
twitter2 | Manuals for a printer came with the usual disclaimers of fitness for purpose, but also has a huge, all caps "open source" warning that basically said that Dell was not liable for the damage cased by included "open source" software | Oct 06 15:25 |
schestowitz | Ha! | Oct 06 15:26 |
schestowitz | Shame on them | Oct 06 15:26 |
schestowitz | Can you scan it? | Oct 06 15:26 |
twitter2 | no useful information about the printer was contained in the "manual" it was all software restrictions and responsibilty dodging | Oct 06 15:26 |
twitter2 | I did not think to take a picture of it, but I might get my hands on it again in a week or so | Oct 06 15:27 |
twitter2 | The particular printer had some kind of wireless interface, most likely the thing that had free software in it | Oct 06 15:28 |
twitter2 | So, Dell is brave enough to sell it to customers, but realizes that M$ may chose to break their side of things and make the printer look bad. | Oct 06 15:29 |
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twitter2 | When people start using free software, people realize where the problems come from. | Oct 06 15:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Your Postcode Is Royal Mail’s IP http://tinyurl.com/y8f9n5j | Oct 06 15:31 | |
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twitter2 | Looking through old stuff of mine, I found a M$ sticker cert from 1997. It was printed to look like a stock certificate or money and was about 8x8 cm! | Oct 06 15:32 |
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twitter2 | Certified that all the M$ software in the computer was "legal" | Oct 06 15:33 |
Diablo-D3 | yeah I had one | Oct 06 15:33 |
Diablo-D3 | it was printed to look like a certificate in general, twitter | Oct 06 15:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FSFE smoking weed: "The company must also make a binding commitment not to enforce its patents against Free Software" http://i5.be/MU | Oct 06 15:40 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Microsoft recently announced the creation of the Codeplex Foundation.What does it mean for free software? Stallman Writes http://tr.im/ARPu | Oct 06 15:45 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Carries on Abusing Web #Standards with #Novell ’s Help http://ping.fm/IKiXN | Oct 06 16:02 | |
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schestowitz | zoobab: no good? FSFE? | Oct 06 16:02 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Cheats Buyers http://ping.fm/LjFQq | Oct 06 16:23 | |
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sebsebseb | hi | Oct 06 16:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] New song on SoundClick: http://tinyurl.com/ydx64ox Marti van Lin - Credo Vocal Mediation Edit 2009 by Marti van Lin | Oct 06 17:03 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #FTC Should Bite AstroTurfers, Not Just Bark at Them http://ping.fm/BaXEx | Oct 06 17:09 | |
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Chiku | no webpage for informations? | Oct 06 17:12 |
schestowitz | Hi, sebsebseb | Oct 06 17:31 |
schestowitz | Chiku: what about? | Oct 06 17:32 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Oct 06 17:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jose Socrates Caves to His Friend Bill Gates and Gives up #Portugal ’s Digital Sovereignty http://ping.fm/OtT0L | Oct 06 17:33 | |
phIRCe | Title: Jose Socrates Caves to His Friend Bill Gates and Gives up Portugals Digital Sovereignty | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.62 KB | Oct 06 17:33 |
schestowitz | trmanco: ^^ | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | Thanks. | Oct 06 17:34 |
trmanco | LOL | Oct 06 17:34 |
trmanco | oh you posted that link I gave you | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | Re: FTC | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | Hi, Roy, | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | It looks like FTC is narrowing in on M$ marketing practices: | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Government-IT/FTC-Declares-Bloggers-Must-Disclose-Paid-Endorsements-201741/ | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | I wonder which approaches M$ will use to try to weasel out of it. These | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | operate in cells like other political subversion groups, though unlike | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | some political groups, the M$ cells are often known to each other. I | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | think its the legal separation they are going for rather than the intel. | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 06 17:35 |
phIRCe | Title: FTC Declares Bloggers Must Disclose Paid Endorsements .::. Size~: 97.98 KB | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | trmanco: not just in Boycott Novell | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | These rich-loving politicians piss me off | Oct 06 17:35 |
schestowitz | They act like school girls around Gates and his groupies | Oct 06 17:36 |
trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/11454914 | Oct 06 17:36 |
trmanco | see this | Oct 06 17:36 |
phIRCe | Title: Mark Kretschmann (markey) 's status on Tuesday, 06-Oct-09 16:22:09 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.33 KB | Oct 06 17:36 |
schestowitz | Cause when they finish their role in politics they can get invited over and get more than the $50k per speech | Oct 06 17:36 |
schestowitz | The people who run Microsoft fart out $50k in the bathroom | Oct 06 17:36 |
schestowitz | Remember Sarko's visit. | Oct 06 17:36 |
schestowitz | He got caught with a Microsoft exec | Oct 06 17:37 |
trmanco | BillG came here to visit us some years ago | Oct 06 17:37 |
trmanco | I think it was around the Vista launch | Oct 06 17:37 |
schestowitz | trmanco: he's wrong, according to Camp Mono | Oct 06 17:37 |
schestowitz | The Mono defenders said it was a horrible article | Oct 06 17:38 |
trmanco | ... | Oct 06 17:38 |
schestowitz | And out of place, whatever | Oct 06 17:38 |
trmanco | yeah so there even more horrible piece of text deserves to be published | Oct 06 17:38 |
schestowitz | trmanco: probably spoke of saving the kids whose killing he funds at the same time | Oct 06 17:38 |
schestowitz | Mother Teresa Peraly | Oct 06 17:38 |
schestowitz | trmanco: like what? | Oct 06 17:39 |
schestowitz | Make a translation | Oct 06 17:39 |
schestowitz | Make it addendum/comment | Oct 06 17:39 |
trmanco | like the article that really hit slashdot | Oct 06 17:39 |
schestowitz | Oh | Oct 06 17:39 |
schestowitz | I thought you mean Portugal | Oct 06 17:39 |
trmanco | no | Oct 06 17:39 |
schestowitz | Shane on SLashdot | Oct 06 17:40 |
trmanco | Il'' brb | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/11454914 | Oct 06 17:40 |
phIRCe | Title: Mark Kretschmann (markey) 's status on Tuesday, 06-Oct-09 16:22:09 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.33 KB | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | "Slashdot failed to post about the great Groklaw article (http://2tu.us/v1y) about RMS/Miguel, but now reports some blog article from Miguel" | Oct 06 17:40 |
phIRCe | Title: Groklaw - On Mono, Miguel, Stallman and Fusion with Microsoft .::. Size~: 213.31 KB | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | But guess what Slashdot DOES AIR? | Oct 06 17:40 |
trmanco | I ought to see the thread | Oct 06 17:40 |
trmanco | ... | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | Hi, Roy, | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | Here comes de Icaza with his personal attacks against RMS: | Oct 06 17:40 |
trmanco | maybe I can fish something from there | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/10/06/132231/De-Icaza-Responds-To-Stallman | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | There was a scene in the Jackson LOTR where Sauruman tries to convince | Oct 06 17:40 |
phIRCe | Title: Slashdot News Story | De Icaza Responds To Stallman .::. Size~: 170.62 KB | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | Gandalf to surrender. For a few minutes, the actor playing Sauruman | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | really sounds like he's imitating de Icaza. | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | Shame on /. | Oct 06 17:40 |
schestowitz | They take the Microsoft party line, as always | Oct 06 17:40 |
trmanco | shame on .|. | Oct 06 17:40 |
trmanco | :-P | Oct 06 17:40 |
trmanco | I don't go there anymore | Oct 06 17:41 |
trmanco | slashdot | Oct 06 17:41 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft should ask for its money back. de Icaza is a terrible troll." | Oct 06 17:41 |
schestowitz | "Stallman is of course right to point out that he is a Microsoft apologist - he is a notorious one. It is beyond argument that Microsoft spends significant dollars in direct and "personal" attempts to crush free software development projects such as Linux through the most indefensible barratry." | Oct 06 17:41 |
schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1394239&cid=29656171 | Oct 06 17:41 |
trmanco | is that from slashdot? | Oct 06 17:41 |
phIRCe | Title: Slashdot Comments | De Icaza Responds To Stallman .::. Size~: 135.37 KB | Oct 06 17:41 |
schestowitz | Miguel de Ramji | Oct 06 17:41 |
trmanco | hah | Oct 06 17:41 |
schestowitz | Turncoat | Oct 06 17:41 |
trmanco | the thing is | Oct 06 17:41 |
trmanco | rms didn't write he was a microsoft apologist | Oct 06 17:42 |
trmanco | he only wrote "apologist" be he didn't say of what | Oct 06 17:42 |
schestowitz | "Miguel must chuckle at himself when he writes things like "Fear mongering is a vibrant industry." It is too rich in irony for him not to know it. Yes, he suggests Microsoft is our "ally." A hilarious notion that, when he writes it, makes it clear what contempt he has for you, the reader." | Oct 06 17:42 |
Chiku | boycott is about novell got partenership with microsoft? | Oct 06 17:42 |
schestowitz | That's the FP btw | Oct 06 17:42 |
schestowitz | Chiku: yes | Oct 06 17:42 |
Chiku | didn't citrix too? | Oct 06 17:43 |
schestowitz | Citrix were always on that side | Oct 06 17:44 |
trmanco | brb | Oct 06 17:44 |
Chiku | their partenership wasn't in order to get microsoft technologies for the virtual market? | Oct 06 17:44 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/fakedanlyons/statuses/4656586693 | Oct 06 17:45 |
phIRCe | Title: Twitter / fakedanlyons: Let me get this straight: ... .::. Size~: 9.16 KB | Oct 06 17:45 |
Chiku | like get better virtual drivers for windows running on xen | Oct 06 17:45 |
schestowitz | Idiot troll the above | Oct 06 17:45 |
Chiku | to fight vmware | Oct 06 17:46 |
Chiku | there are no links about why novell is bad? | Oct 06 17:48 |
Chiku | you should write them on topic | Oct 06 17:48 |
schestowitz | Chiku: See the front page for example | Oct 06 17:48 |
schestowitz | Chiku: I wrote many posts | Oct 06 17:48 |
schestowitz | Shane did too | Oct 06 17:48 |
schestowitz | In 2006 | Oct 06 17:48 |
schestowitz | It's old news by now, but there are summaries | Oct 06 17:48 |
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Chiku | front page? you mean the channel topic? | Oct 06 17:48 |
schestowitz | Many other sits wrote similar articles | Oct 06 17:49 |
Chiku | where is the front page? | Oct 06 17:49 |
schestowitz | Bruce Perens, Jack Wallen, Pam Jones.... | Oct 06 17:49 |
schestowitz | Chiku: http://boycottnovell.com | Oct 06 17:49 |
phIRCe | Title: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.19 KB | Oct 06 17:49 |
schestowitz | Very concise at the start | Oct 06 17:49 |
Chiku | you should add it on channel topic | Oct 06 17:49 |
schestowitz | Someone suggests 1.5 years ago that visitors are presented with such a summary | Oct 06 17:50 |
schestowitz | Rather than just latest posts | Oct 06 17:50 |
schestowitz | Chiku: what does the topic say other than what I put in description? | Oct 06 17:50 |
schestowitz | It can't be too long-wided | Oct 06 17:50 |
schestowitz | *winded | Oct 06 17:50 |
trmanco | http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/demos/photos.svg | Oct 06 17:52 |
trmanco | who needs microsoft surface? | Oct 06 17:52 |
trmanco | http://www.open3dweb.com/demos/2d/canvasexpt/ some other experiment with canvas | Oct 06 17:53 |
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trmanco | http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3.2.php | Oct 06 17:54 |
phIRCe | Title: KDE - KDE 4.3.2 Release Announcement .::. Size~: 15.97 KB | Oct 06 17:54 |
trmanco | :D | Oct 06 17:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] The awesomeness of SVG -> http://is.gd/40H8S | Oct 06 17:55 | |
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trmanco | http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_3_1to4_3_2.php | Oct 06 17:55 |
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Chiku | Microsoft Carries on Abusing Web Standards with Novell’s Help <-- what novell did to help it? | Oct 06 17:58 |
trmanco | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages | Oct 06 18:05 |
trmanco | wow | Oct 06 18:05 |
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trmanco | that was fast | Oct 06 18:05 |
schestowitz | Chiku: Novell promotes Silverlight use | Oct 06 18:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK’s First-ever #LiMo Phones Are Encumbered by #Microsoft #Patent Tax (on #Linux ) http://ping.fm/9Hrwk #swpat | Oct 06 18:16 | |
phIRCe | Title: UKs First-ever LiMo Phones Are Encumbered by Microsoft Patent Tax (on Linux) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.03 KB | Oct 06 18:16 |
schestowitz | trmanco: doesn't list knode | Oct 06 18:16 |
schestowitz | It's not in the default build | Oct 06 18:16 |
schestowitz | "Free desktop" | Oct 06 18:16 |
schestowitz | KDE doesn't do the "open sourcE" nonsense | Oct 06 18:16 |
schestowitz | I like it about them | Oct 06 18:16 |
schestowitz | They also snubbed OOXML | Oct 06 18:17 |
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schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I do a post that quotes you | Oct 06 18:47 |
ThistleWeb | cool | Oct 06 18:47 |
*ThistleWeb will be famous in his own living room lol | Oct 06 18:47 | |
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Omar87 | Hi all | Oct 06 18:52 |
schestowitz | Posted. | Oct 06 18:52 |
Omar87 | Just to remind myself: F-Spot is mono-based, right? | Oct 06 18:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Hotmail Information Leaked, #IntellectualMonopolies Now Applied to UK Post Codes http://ping.fm/moUUV | Oct 06 18:53 | |
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schestowitz | Hey, Omar87. What's new? | Oct 06 18:53 |
schestowitz | Omar87: it is, yes | Oct 06 18:53 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, yeah, I know. I just wanted to remember. :) | Oct 06 18:53 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono_Applications | Oct 06 18:53 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: does phIRCe store the pages it fetches? | Oct 06 18:54 |
trmanco | 1 time only | Oct 06 18:54 |
schestowitz | Cause I have a fetcher for links cited by BN blog, but none for IRC | Oct 06 18:54 |
schestowitz | It's good when stuff disappears | Oct 06 18:55 |
schestowitz | Then you can bring it back to sight and re-look | Oct 06 18:55 |
trmanco | well, no | Oct 06 18:55 |
trmanco | it doesn't do that | Oct 06 18:55 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557599/mod-security-manual-leaked-web | Oct 06 18:56 |
trmanco | but I can make it do that | Oct 06 18:56 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gy00dZGeUYsGL4BNYG7gZkDOL32AD9B55R000 | Oct 06 18:58 |
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schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ cd archives/ | Oct 06 18:58 |
schestowitz | roy@roy:~/archives$ du -sh | Oct 06 18:58 |
schestowitz | 8.9G . | Oct 06 18:58 |
schestowitz | 9 gb of web pages | Oct 06 18:58 |
schestowitz | like massive cache | Oct 06 18:58 |
trmanco | wow | Oct 06 18:59 |
schestowitz | Shaun Nichols writes for the Inquirer now. So weird | Oct 06 18:59 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557524/us-regulate-bloggers | Oct 06 18:59 |
schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8291825.stm | Oct 06 19:00 |
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schestowitz | "US regulators will for the first time crack down on bloggers who fail to disclose fees or freebies they get from companies for reviewing products." | Oct 06 19:00 |
schestowitz | They should go after Andre da Costa and cums | Oct 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | *chums | Oct 06 19:01 |
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schestowitz | Hey, amarsh04 | Oct 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | amd-linux: | Oct 06 19:01 |
amd-linux | hi there | Oct 06 19:01 |
trmanco | do you have a safe backup of those archives? :-P | Oct 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | You usually come here when there's s/t to tell | Oct 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yes | Oct 06 19:01 |
amd-linux | just one quick info: Guess which OS is on 2 of the 3 most sold notebooks at amazon Germany....? | Oct 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | 3 hard-drives | Oct 06 19:01 |
trmanco | ha good | Oct 06 19:01 |
schestowitz | amd-linux: give me the link | Oct 06 19:02 |
schestowitz | I want to post a screenshot | Oct 06 19:02 |
amd-linux | and guess which is powering the bestselling notebook at amazon Germany | Oct 06 19:02 |
amd-linux | http://www.amazon.de/s?ie=UTF8&rh=n%3A3034891%2C%3A%2C%3A%2C%3A%2C%3A | Oct 06 19:02 |
schestowitz | To end the Microsoft "US-only" FUD pattern | Oct 06 19:02 |
amd-linux | hope this works | Oct 06 19:02 |
phIRCe | Title: Amazon.de: Notebooks - Computer & Peripherie: Elektronik .::. Size~: 177.11 KB | Oct 06 19:02 |
schestowitz | Is there news coverage too? | Oct 06 19:02 |
Diablo-D3 | an... acer? | Oct 06 19:02 |
amd-linux | nope | Oct 06 19:02 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I also did a blog post on the postcode IP thing | Oct 06 19:02 |
schestowitz | Ha! | Oct 06 19:02 |
schestowitz | Brilliant | Oct 06 19:02 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, can you please give me the link to page describing how to purge mono junk from ubuntu? | Oct 06 19:02 |
amd-linux | Purge mono from Karmic? | Oct 06 19:03 |
JPerlow | omar: you might as well just use gnewsense | Oct 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | Omar87: there are many pages like that | Oct 06 19:03 |
Diablo-D3 | Omar87: apt-get remove it | Oct 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | Google it | Oct 06 19:03 |
amd-linux | Easy: just remove the corelib package | Oct 06 19:03 |
Omar87 | amarsh04, yep. | Oct 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | amd-linux: hold on. | Oct 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | Me edits in GIMP | Oct 06 19:03 |
schestowitz | For layout | Oct 06 19:03 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, true! | Oct 06 19:03 |
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schestowitz | amd-linux: #4 also comes with "Linux" | Oct 06 19:04 |
schestowitz | Is it a known distro | Oct 06 19:04 |
schestowitz | ? | Oct 06 19:04 |
amd-linux | on Karmic , do "apt-get purge mono-runtime" and you are free of this pest | Oct 06 19:05 |
amd-linux | Amazon.de is a good barometer for notebooks here in Germany, they are among the top sellers | Oct 06 19:05 |
amd-linux | gotta go, see you | Oct 06 19:06 |
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Diablo-D3 | AMAZON RULES THE WORLD | Oct 06 19:06 |
Omar87 | Weird. | Oct 06 19:07 |
Omar87 | According to an old post from Open Sourcerer, all I need to do is purge remove mono-common. | Oct 06 19:07 |
popey | he's updating that post for karmic | Oct 06 19:08 |
popey | because package names have changed | Oct 06 19:08 |
Omar87 | popey, oh, I see now. | Oct 06 19:08 |
Omar87 | popey, thanks | Oct 06 19:08 |
popey | np | Oct 06 19:09 |
popey | i went out for curry with him last night and he told me then :) | Oct 06 19:09 |
Omar87 | Cool! :D | Oct 06 19:09 |
Omar87 | Say hi to him next time you see him. ;) | Oct 06 19:09 |
schestowitz | Ah, Alan.. | Oct 06 19:09 |
schestowitz | Did he go to Wolverhampton? | Oct 06 19:09 |
popey | what, last night? | Oct 06 19:10 |
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Omar87 | How could I find out the new mono package names? | Oct 06 19:14 |
popey | look at the dependancies for an app like tomboy | Oct 06 19:14 |
popey | Depends: mono-runtime (>= 1.1.8.1), libc6 (>= 2.10) | libc6.1 (>= 2.10) | libc0.1 (>= 2.10), libgconf2.0-cil (>= 2.24.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.20.0), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.12.9), libgmime2.2a-cil (>= 2.2.22), libgnome2.24-cil (>= 2.24.0), libgnomepanel2.24-cil (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.17.11), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.12.9), libgtkspell0, libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil (>= 0.4), libmono-addins0.2-cil (>= 0.4), libmono-cairo2.0-cil (>= 2.4), libm | Oct 06 19:15 |
trmanco | schestowitz: I'll be implementing what you've said now | Oct 06 19:15 |
popey | basically anything with "mono" or "cil" in the name | Oct 06 19:15 |
Omar87 | lol | Oct 06 19:17 |
JPerlow | Or, you could just use Kubuntu. | Oct 06 19:17 |
JPerlow | or Gnewsense. | Oct 06 19:17 |
Omar87 | Seems like all I needed to do was apt-get remove --purge mono* :D | Oct 06 19:17 |
Omar87 | Actually, no. | Oct 06 19:18 |
Omar87 | I thank God I didn't go on with that command. :P | Oct 06 19:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 1st, 3rd, and 4th Top-selling Laptops in #Amazon #Germany Come with #GNU #Linux http://ping.fm/W3EqW | Oct 06 19:19 | |
phIRCe | Title: 1st, 3rd, and 4th Top-selling Laptops in Amazon Germany Come with GNU/Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.95 KB | Oct 06 19:19 |
schestowitz | JPerlow: did you try gnewsense? | Oct 06 19:19 |
schestowitz | How is it w/ h/w detection? | Oct 06 19:19 |
schestowitz | You use very modern h/w AFAIK | Oct 06 19:19 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, I tried it. Too bad it's still built on top of Hardy. | Oct 06 19:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Alright! Ubuntu Kamic Koala Beta installed, and all mono rubbish and junk were purged successfully! :D | Oct 06 19:22 | |
schestowitz | I suppose Shields ain't maintaining little chicken anymore :-D | Oct 06 19:22 |
schestowitz | Just insulting others with a so-called 'remix' | Oct 06 19:23 |
JPerlow | schestowitz: a few builds ago | Oct 06 19:25 |
JPerlow | not sure it would do much for me now, I'm more inclined to use Mint, Koala and Opensuse 11.2 now | Oct 06 19:25 |
JPerlow | I don't run "one" linux distribution | Oct 06 19:25 |
JPerlow | my hardware itself is rather unimportant, virtually everything I run is virtualized | Oct 06 19:29 |
JPerlow | my lab environment consists of ESXi, Windows Server 2008 R2 Hyper-V and RHEL/CentOS | Oct 06 19:30 |
JPerlow | although ProxMox also gets used | Oct 06 19:30 |
JPerlow | which I think is a really nice system | Oct 06 19:30 |
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JPerlow | my two desktops run Windows 7 and CentOS | Oct 06 19:31 |
schestowitz | OK, I accept that your job requires that | Oct 06 19:35 |
schestowitz | When did you leave OS/2 behind? | Oct 06 19:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/10/06/sudan-end-rights-abuses-repression | Oct 06 19:36 |
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schestowitz | http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/10/06/sudan-end-rights-abuses-repression | Oct 06 19:36 |
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schestowitz | Oops. | Oct 06 19:36 |
schestowitz | http://it-chuiko.com/computers/729-the-new-version-of-sabayon-linux.html | Oct 06 19:36 |
phIRCe | Title: The new version of Sabayon Linux » IT - Chuiko | Information Technology News .::. Size~: 38.41 KB | Oct 06 19:36 |
schestowitz | I want to try Gentoo one day. Sabayon makes it easy and fabio is back to KDE4 proper | Oct 06 19:37 |
schestowitz | RMS is going to MY. | Oct 06 19:38 |
schestowitz | "Also there is Richard Matthew Stallman, the father of the free software movement, who will be speaking on the movement and GNU/Linux." | Oct 06 19:38 |
schestowitz | http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2009/10/6/technology/20091006153049&sec=technology | Oct 06 19:38 |
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JPerlow | schestowitz: I stopped using OS/2 around 1996. | Oct 06 19:39 |
JPerlow | athough, in 1999 I did a bit of Y2K work with it | Oct 06 19:39 |
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JPerlow | RMS is in new zealand at the moment | Oct 06 19:40 |
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schestowitz | http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=71012 | Oct 06 19:40 |
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schestowitz | JPerlow: not sure | Oct 06 19:40 |
schestowitz | He was on a show there | Oct 06 19:41 |
schestowitz | A while ago | Oct 06 19:41 |
schestowitz | http://lianza2009.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/richard-stallman-on-radio-new-zealand/ | Oct 06 19:41 |
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JPerlow | well. two days ago, I can tell you for sure he was. | Oct 06 19:41 |
schestowitz | But you know better | Oct 06 19:41 |
schestowitz | You spoke to him | Oct 06 19:41 |
schestowitz | Yeah, beat me to it! | Oct 06 19:41 |
JPerlow | because I had to CALL him. | Oct 06 19:41 |
schestowitz | I suppose your interview w/ him is not up yet | Oct 06 19:41 |
JPerlow | well, I could put it up, but I am concerned about bandwidth requirements. | Oct 06 19:41 |
JPerlow | the audio is 18 minutes long | Oct 06 19:42 |
JPerlow | and in MP3 format 32kbps, its only 4MB | Oct 06 19:42 |
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schestowitz | But phone changes run proprietary software :-) | Oct 06 19:42 |
JPerlow | in ogg, same sample rate, its 16MB | Oct 06 19:42 |
schestowitz | *exchanges | Oct 06 19:42 |
JPerlow | it may be I am doing something wrong but I ran several passes thrugh it and it got to the same size | Oct 06 19:42 |
schestowitz | RMS does well in South A.http://www.internetadsales.com/peruvian-gov-improves-employee-collaboration-with-open-source-solutions-from-red-hat-alfresco-and-zi | Oct 06 19:43 |
JPerlow | I'm going to try to shrink it | Oct 06 19:43 |
phIRCe | Title: Peruvian Gov. Improves Employee Collaboration with Open Source Solutions from Red Hat, Alfresco and Zimbra | Internet Ad Sales .::. Size~: 32.42 KB | Oct 06 19:43 |
schestowitz | Why shrink it? | Oct 06 19:43 |
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schestowitz | Hosted on ZeeDee, no? | Oct 06 19:43 |
JPerlow | no not zd. | Oct 06 19:43 |
schestowitz | The podacst site (w// Hess)? | Oct 06 19:43 |
JPerlow | I cant use that in ogg there. | Oct 06 19:43 |
JPerlow | blogtalkradio streams in mp3 format | Oct 06 19:44 |
JPerlow | doesnt support ogg | Oct 06 19:44 |
JPerlow | plus I have to release the content under a license that RMS wants, so it would be easir if the FSF hosts it itself. | Oct 06 19:45 |
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schestowitz | Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:53:56 -0400 | Oct 06 19:46 |
schestowitz | From: Matt Lee <campaigns@fsf.org> | Oct 06 19:46 |
schestowitz | User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | To: campaigns@fsf.org | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | Subject: Free Software Foundation to launch second wave of Windows 7 Sins | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 06 19:47 |
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schestowitz | Tomorrow, we're sending the second wave of letters, making the case | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | against Microsoft and proprietary software by writing to 500 leaders | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | of the most influential charities and nongovernmental organizations | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | (NGOs) worldwide, | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | asking them to make the switch to freedom-respecting free software, | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | and to help foster awareness of the ethical importance of computer | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | user freedom. | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 06 19:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/06/robovie_robot/ < Atom comes to android | Oct 06 19:49 |
schestowitz | "In Blighty, Intel’s Atom is usually confined to netbooks and MIDs. But in Japan, Atom has been used to provide processing power for a highly flexible robot." | Oct 06 19:49 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/06/conservative_it_plans/ | Oct 06 19:49 |
schestowitz | US court says software is owned, not licensed http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/10/06/software_ownership_ruling/ | Oct 06 19:51 |
schestowitz | Bad new to Microsoft ^^^ | Oct 06 19:51 |
schestowitz | People can now auction their old copy of WIndows and Office | Oct 06 19:52 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, and how is that bad to Microsoft? | Oct 06 19:53 |
schestowitz | Omar87: have a look at articles on the topic | Oct 06 19:53 |
schestowitz | Basically, it's anti "IP" | Oct 06 19:53 |
schestowitz | Software is property now, not just licensed, BUT... | Oct 06 19:54 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, oh yeah, I almost forgot that. :) | Oct 06 19:54 |
schestowitz | You can give it away as though it is property, so people can resell and thus buy less WIndows and Office | Oct 06 19:54 |
schestowitz | IIRC, Munch used Win2000 resales | Oct 06 19:54 |
JPerlow | ok, I got the ogg down to 4mb | Oct 06 19:54 |
JPerlow | those encoder options are tricky | Oct 06 19:54 |
schestowitz | 18 minutes???? | Oct 06 19:54 |
schestowitz | At this bitrate the voices can sound different | Oct 06 19:55 |
JPerlow | nah | Oct 06 19:55 |
JPerlow | not at 32kbps | Oct 06 19:55 |
JPerlow | mono | Oct 06 19:55 |
schestowitz | Heh | Oct 06 19:55 |
schestowitz | stereo-nono | Oct 06 19:55 |
JPerlow | its phone quality | Oct 06 19:55 |
JPerlow | anything around 16bkps is fine for phone | Oct 06 19:55 |
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schestowitz | if there are two voices, it's more compressible than music | Oct 06 19:55 |
schestowitz | Though music too has rhythms | Oct 06 19:56 |
JPerlow | I wonder if I can go smaller | Oct 06 19:56 |
JPerlow | as audacity seems to do a decent job of the transcode | Oct 06 19:56 |
ThistleWeb | how does that affect the mac clones then? | Oct 06 19:56 |
JPerlow | ? | Oct 06 19:56 |
ThistleWeb | they bought osx legally, and sold pcs with osx on it | Oct 06 19:57 |
ThistleWeb | if software is owned, not licenced, they can do that | Oct 06 19:57 |
ThistleWeb | reselling | Oct 06 19:57 |
ThistleWeb | pystar, was struggling to theink of the name | Oct 06 19:58 |
JPerlow | dude, you got to start converstations in context | Oct 06 19:58 |
JPerlow | I'm not that omiscient | Oct 06 19:58 |
ThistleWeb | yeah, just thinking out loud | Oct 06 19:58 |
schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/beta-release-of-evernote-for-android-available-for-testing why do people pretend android apps are something to do with FOSS? | Oct 06 19:59 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: psychostar\ | Oct 06 19:59 |
schestowitz | minus the "cho" | Oct 06 19:59 |
ThistleWeb | put in a more coherent way "if software is classed as sales, not licenced, which then allows resells, how does this affect mac clones like pystar"? | Oct 06 20:00 |
JPerlow | ok now I got it down to 3.62MB | Oct 06 20:00 |
ThistleWeb | pystar bought and paid for each copy of osx they used | Oct 06 20:00 |
ThistleWeb | brb | Oct 06 20:03 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=962 | Oct 06 20:03 |
JPerlow | well | Oct 06 20:03 |
JPerlow | I am not a lawyer | Oct 06 20:03 |
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JPerlow | I can only speculate on the technology impact of what psystar is doing. | Oct 06 20:04 |
schestowitz | JPerlow: sounds like you split the atom on that audio file | Oct 06 20:04 |
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schestowitz | JPerlow: they don't do much. | Oct 06 20:04 |
JPerlow | nah, not really... I think ogg vorbis at 1 quality out of 10 is sufficent for monaural phone | Oct 06 20:04 |
schestowitz | It's just Apple | Oct 06 20:04 |
JPerlow | as phone esentially is 8khz | Oct 06 20:04 |
schestowitz | Apple marketing extraordinaire + cheap h/w | Oct 06 20:05 |
schestowitz | Apple doesn't spend all that money on marketing to sell just an OS | Oct 06 20:05 |
schestowitz | bandwidth is not the bottleneck in most DCs | Oct 06 20:05 |
schestowitz | CPU is | Oct 06 20:05 |
schestowitz | At 1gbit you could serve this file 250 time/sec, theoretically | Oct 06 20:06 |
schestowitz | *times | Oct 06 20:06 |
schestowitz | Mozilla could do that with Firefox | Oct 06 20:06 |
schestowitz | Now, now... I'm not saying that Firefox is more popular than an RMS talk | Oct 06 20:06 |
schestowitz | Not even hours within release | Oct 06 20:06 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11243 | Oct 06 20:08 |
schestowitz | "M$ Harpooned de-void in the Ice Age w/it's Flea Bitten OS! grin" | Oct 06 20:08 |
schestowitz | Kids finish schools around this time in NY | Oct 06 20:08 |
schestowitz | http://forum.sabayonlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=18403 | Oct 06 20:09 |
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schestowitz | http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-17924-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=69927&messageID=1340979 | Oct 06 20:10 |
JPerlow | thank god for the lunatics. | Oct 06 20:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This http://is.gd/40VDa is why this http://is.gd/40VIf is needed #ralphlauren | Oct 06 20:14 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6865/1/ | Oct 06 20:15 |
schestowitz | "President Nicolas Sarkozy on holiday in an image that the French magazine Paris Match retouched to render him slimmer" < http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1927227,00.html?xid=rss-topstories > | Oct 06 20:15 |
schestowitz | The RIAA takes this little piggies to many dinners | Oct 06 20:16 |
schestowitz | http://media-newswire.com/release_1100319.html | Oct 06 20:16 |
schestowitz | "IBM ( NYSE: IBM ) today opened a Linux innovation center in the capital city of the Republic of Kazakhstan." | Oct 06 20:17 |
schestowitz | Still popping up in ODF feeds | Oct 06 20:17 |
JPerlow | need to bring this vm down, bbiab | Oct 06 20:17 |
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schestowitz | MS-Watch truly lost relevance when Joe left :-) http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windows_7/could_steve_ballmers_signature_get_you_to_party.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535 | Oct 06 20:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @pezholio Sign the petition to encorage the Royal Mail to offer a free postcode API for non-profit websites http://bit.ly/yxM52 Please RT | Oct 06 20:25 | |
schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/6261756/MoD-how-to-stop-leaks-document-is-leaked.html | Oct 06 20:30 |
schestowitz | http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/23576/?a=f | Oct 06 20:30 |
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trmanco | grr | Oct 06 20:35 |
trmanco | I had to stop working because of a thunderstorm | Oct 06 20:35 |
trmanco | anyway | Oct 06 20:35 |
trmanco | back to work now | Oct 06 20:35 |
schestowitz | Have you heard from wispy recently? | Oct 06 20:39 |
schestowitz | Is it just me, or has all our 'generation' ditched Digg by now? | Oct 06 20:40 |
schestowitz | Everyone I knew from Digg has moved on to other things in life. But Digg.com still seems to attract some people..... | Oct 06 20:40 |
schestowitz | Slashdot too, although far fewer | Oct 06 20:40 |
trmanco | no I haven't seen her | Oct 06 20:42 |
JPerlow | I've lost interest in digg. | Oct 06 20:42 |
JPerlow | I used to submit all my articles to digg | Oct 06 20:42 |
JPerlow | now I just do twitter and reddit | Oct 06 20:42 |
schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/426-top-3-linux-password-managers | Oct 06 20:42 |
schestowitz | Digg used to be a technology site | Oct 06 20:43 |
schestowitz | they left out kde wallet | Oct 06 20:44 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude | Oct 06 20:44 |
Diablo-D3 | digg was never big to begin with | Oct 06 20:44 |
schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=a_povray_modeler_some_progress&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Oct 06 20:44 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it was more focused | Oct 06 20:44 |
schestowitz | Now it's all over the place | Oct 06 20:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] *cough* @glynmoody learns an important lesson about cloud computing http://is.gd/40YAp | Oct 06 20:48 | |
schestowitz | Heh: http://www.freebsdnews.net/2009/10/05/freebsd-linux/ | Oct 06 20:52 |
schestowitz | Insulting to Linux, though | Oct 06 20:52 |
JPerlow | amusing | Oct 06 20:54 |
JPerlow | what's Z/OS, a M1A1 main battle tank? | Oct 06 20:55 |
schestowitz | JPerlow: see http://www.ibspublishing.com/index.cfm?section=news&action=view&id=13440 | Oct 06 20:56 |
MinceR | bsd fanboys love insulting linux | Oct 06 20:56 |
schestowitz | The other day we spoke about WIndows stability and reliability | Oct 06 20:56 |
schestowitz | See this one also: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?RSS&entryid=2568 | Oct 06 20:56 |
MinceR | developing something worthwhile, not so much | Oct 06 20:56 |
schestowitz | MinceR: yes, that's their low-hanging fruit | Oct 06 20:56 |
schestowitz | Linux->BSD | Oct 06 20:56 |
JPerlow | bsd has its good points | Oct 06 20:56 |
schestowitz | Not BSDpple > BSD | Oct 06 20:56 |
JPerlow | and the license is flexible. | Oct 06 20:56 |
schestowitz | Apple knows the licence is flexible | Oct 06 20:57 |
schestowitz | It flexes the s* out of it | Oct 06 20:57 |
schestowitz | ANd then prevents people from running that BSD even on /hardware/ of their choice | Oct 06 20:57 |
schestowitz | Even if they pay for the t0rd | Oct 06 20:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] never neglect the little things http://is.gd/40ZzG twm is being maintained too now | Oct 06 20:58 | |
JPerlow | well, actually, you can run pure darwin on any hardware of your choice | Oct 06 20:58 |
JPerlow | its the GUI userland stuff apple keeps proprietary | Oct 06 20:58 |
schestowitz | The Open Source Initiative’s corporate status is suspended: a CAOS Theory Q&A < http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2009/10/06/the-open-source-initiatives-corporate-status-is-suspended-a-caos-theory-qa/ > | Oct 06 20:59 |
MinceR | m$ flexes the s* out of it too | Oct 06 20:59 |
schestowitz | JPerlow: yes, Apple loves the take, no the give | Oct 06 20:59 |
MinceR | crApple doesn't only take | Oct 06 20:59 |
JPerlow | frankly moving to an open source kernel and x86 architecture loosened their contral rather than to help them maintain it | Oct 06 20:59 |
schestowitz | That's why RMS made the GPL | Oct 06 20:59 |
MinceR | they then proceed to try and destroy the community they took from. | Oct 06 20:59 |
MinceR | see crApple sw patent love | Oct 06 20:59 |
schestowitz | People would abuse his emacs like this otherwise | Oct 06 20:59 |
MinceR | and lockdown, etc. | Oct 06 20:59 |
schestowitz | And we can all still choose rms' licence | Oct 06 21:00 |
JPerlow | if I were inclined to totally close off the system, I would have stayed with PPC architecture and a completely proprietary UNIX codebase for the base os | Oct 06 21:00 |
JPerlow | GPL has its uses | Oct 06 21:00 |
schestowitz | They wanted to run WIndows | Oct 06 21:00 |
schestowitz | So they went Intel | Oct 06 21:00 |
JPerlow | as does BSD | Oct 06 21:00 |
schestowitz | IMHO | Oct 06 21:00 |
JPerlow | and various other licenses | Oct 06 21:00 |
schestowitz | IOW, Jobs caved to inferior arch just so that his follower can run VIsta | Oct 06 21:01 |
JPerlow | I have always liked the PPC architecture | Oct 06 21:01 |
schestowitz | Well, you're biased | Oct 06 21:01 |
schestowitz | ppc has many ibm patents | Oct 06 21:02 |
JPerlow | how so? | Oct 06 21:02 |
JPerlow | I worked with PPCs in the NT days | Oct 06 21:02 |
JPerlow | if you think its because of my employer, you'd be dead wrong | Oct 06 21:02 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 06 21:02 |
schestowitz | So the Open Source Initiative could lose it name? | Oct 06 21:02 |
schestowitz | Yes it would appear so. In fact, it may already have done. If that were the case we believe it would impact the OSI’s ability to enforce its trademarks related to “OSI”, “Open Source Initiative”, and the OSI logo. | Oct 06 21:02 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 06 21:02 |
schestowitz | Linux with PPC is harder to come by now | Oct 06 21:03 |
schestowitz | YDL was sold | Oct 06 21:03 |
schestowitz | Fedora still runs that | Oct 06 21:03 |
schestowitz | IBM uses it in PPC clusters | Oct 06 21:04 |
JPerlow | power is the architecture of Z | Oct 06 21:04 |
JPerlow | RH on POWER exists | Oct 06 21:04 |
JPerlow | and on SUSE | Oct 06 21:04 |
JPerlow | and on debian as far as I know | Oct 06 21:04 |
MinceR | 220019 < JPerlow> if I were inclined to totally close off the system, I would have stayed with PPC architecture and a completely proprietary UNIX codebase for the base os | Oct 06 21:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Will The SNP Have Some Unexpected Campaign Support? | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y9ytrve | Oct 06 21:05 | |
MinceR | proprietary unix was dying already | Oct 06 21:05 |
MinceR | even back then | Oct 06 21:05 |
schestowitz | learning a new shell: zsh < http://xylld.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/learning-a-new-shell-zsh/ > | Oct 06 21:05 |
JPerlow | apple had to make architectual choices | Oct 06 21:05 |
MinceR | also, crApple knows they can't code nor maintain an OS to save their lives | Oct 06 21:05 |
MinceR | case in point: Mac OS. | Oct 06 21:05 |
JPerlow | originally, NeXTstep was totally locked down, it was based on mach | Oct 06 21:05 |
schestowitz | Yes, Debian does like 18 | Oct 06 21:05 |
JPerlow | when they moved to OpenStep they abstracted the GUI from the OS | Oct 06 21:05 |
JPerlow | at one point NeXT was going to be hardware agnostic when they stopped being a hardware manufactuirer | Oct 06 21:06 |
MinceR | even with osx they're lagging badly with distributing patches from upstream | Oct 06 21:06 |
JPerlow | they partnered with HP and Sun and Canon to product OpenStep systems | Oct 06 21:06 |
MinceR | (and with their own security fixes) | Oct 06 21:06 |
JPerlow | and they even built their GUI for NT | Oct 06 21:06 |
schestowitz | MinceR: they are slow, yes | Oct 06 21:06 |
schestowitz | They send a lump once in 1-2 months | Oct 06 21:06 |
schestowitz | In Linux is takes just days/hours | Oct 06 21:06 |
schestowitz | Depending on severity | Oct 06 21:06 |
schestowitz | Some Apple updates also b0rk the OS | Oct 06 21:07 |
schestowitz | The same still happens to iPhones | Oct 06 21:07 |
schestowitz | Bad fallbacks | Oct 06 21:07 |
JPerlow | when NeXT was bought by apple, tevanian and others chose BSD as the basis for the next version of OpenStep, aka Mac OS X | Oct 06 21:07 |
schestowitz | They don't use a good mechanism in case of network failures during update | Oct 06 21:07 |
schestowitz | JPerlow: http://www.boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Avadis_Tevanian_to_Bill_Gates:_IE4_disables_Quicktime | Oct 06 21:08 |
JPerlow | tevanian ditched apple | Oct 06 21:09 |
JPerlow | back in 2005 or so | Oct 06 21:09 |
trmanco | heh | Oct 06 21:09 |
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trmanco | schestowitz: the bot now saves the html content | Oct 06 21:09 |
schestowitz | with wget? | Oct 06 21:09 |
schestowitz | it needs to keep dir structure | Oct 06 21:10 |
trmanco | ti just saves plain text | Oct 06 21:10 |
trmanco | no images | Oct 06 21:10 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091005/0122466416.shtml | Oct 06 21:13 |
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Omar87 | Guys, Ubuntu has come a looooooong way in terms of booting time. | Oct 06 21:14 |
Omar87 | It's amazingly fast now! | Oct 06 21:14 |
schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8290181.stm | Oct 06 21:18 |
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schestowitz | Omar87: yes, it's very fast | Oct 06 21:18 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, yeah man. | Oct 06 21:21 |
Omar87 | We shall wait and see how the bloated Vista 7 will compete against that. :) | Oct 06 21:24 |
JPerlow | I suspect Windows 7 will do just fine. | Oct 06 21:26 |
schestowitz | a profit? | Oct 06 21:27 |
schestowitz | *at | Oct 06 21:27 |
JPerlow | the biggest opportunity I see for Linux on the desktop is in subscriber cloud-based services and thin client desktops | Oct 06 21:27 |
JPerlow | particularly in emerging countries | Oct 06 21:27 |
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Omar87 | JPerlow, I hope your expectations turn out to be wrong. | Oct 06 21:48 |
Omar87 | JPerlow, remember that the world has not yet fully recovered from the economical crisis yet. And I it don't it will, at least any time through the next five or six years. | Oct 06 21:49 |
Omar87 | JPerlow, every day I can sense it all around me. This is the age of freedom now. No more corporate tyranny. | Oct 06 21:50 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, am I right, Roy? | Oct 06 21:52 |
schestowitz | Sorryl, was on the phone | Oct 06 21:52 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, no problem. | Oct 06 21:52 |
schestowitz | [21:27] <JPerlow> the biggest opportunity I see for Linux on the desktop is in subscriber cloud-based services and thin client desktops | Oct 06 21:52 |
schestowitz | It's doing fine in clients in some countries | Oct 06 21:52 |
trmanco | feed burner? | Oct 06 21:53 |
schestowitz | Microsoft loses profitability in Windows | Oct 06 21:53 |
trmanco | oh I see | Oct 06 21:53 |
schestowitz | Omar87: >>> <Omar87> JPerlow, remember that the world has not yet fully recovered from the economical crisis yet. And I it don't it will, | Oct 06 21:53 |
schestowitz | Yes, maybe never | Oct 06 21:53 |
schestowitz | Not in the West | Oct 06 21:53 |
Omar87 | sorry | Oct 06 21:53 |
schestowitz | You know what they say, "the sun rises in the East" | Oct 06 21:54 |
Omar87 | I meant: " And I don't think it will,..." | Oct 06 21:54 |
schestowitz | It's their turn to built an empire now | Oct 06 21:54 |
schestowitz | There's too much debt in the wast for the east | Oct 06 21:54 |
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schestowitz | And if the East is not stupid enough to fall into the scam known as "intellectual monopolu", then it'l do OK | Oct 06 21:55 |
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Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm actually talking in general. The age of monopolies is falling slowly now as everything can be snatched from anywhere in the world regardless of what monopolists do to protect it. | Oct 06 22:06 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 06 22:08 |
schestowitz | Give me 2 minutes | Oct 06 22:08 |
schestowitz | I'll post something about it | Oct 06 22:08 |
Omar87 | Take your time. | Oct 06 22:09 |
schestowitz | Omar87: Microsoft's report (2.5 weeks from now) will be as bad as the previous one. | Oct 06 22:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Has Already Cracked Microsoft's Profitability Mode http://bit.ly/4afiyC | Oct 06 22:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @picturecool Adobe Flash install page on iPhone http://bit.ly/EyFIy - #wikipedia should do this with Ogg Theora/Ogg Vorbis | Oct 06 22:14 | |
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Omar87 | schestowitz, what will be as bad as what exactly? | Oct 06 22:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Experiment with #GNU #Linux Shows Where it Beats #MacOSX and #Windows http://bit.ly/4f5j0M | Oct 06 22:15 | |
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schestowitz | Omar87: revenue and earnings/profit | Oct 06 22:15 |
schestowitz | Down sharply | Oct 06 22:15 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, oh, ok. :D | Oct 06 22:15 |
schestowitz | Maybe by 30%-40% | Oct 06 22:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jon " #Maddog " Hall Explains Why #GNU #Linux Needs No Launch Parties http://bit.ly/2TvSJp!?blogbox | Oct 06 22:18 | |
Omar87 | schestowitz, launch parties? Like Installation festivals? | Oct 06 22:19 |
schestowitz | Yes, like in JUST | Oct 06 22:19 |
schestowitz | No napkins with Microsoft logos on em | Oct 06 22:19 |
schestowitz | I reckon Microsoft gives those napkins to drooling idiots (some of them just fall asleep drooling on boredom, not drooling over Vista7) | Oct 06 22:20 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, might be true. Except that, in a country like Jordan, where Microsloth bloat is being fed to toddlers in their milk, lots of efforts need to be made in telling people that Winblows is not the only thing in the world. | Oct 06 22:23 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, given that tomorrow, a Microsloth festival will be held in JUST too..! | Oct 06 22:23 |
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Omar87 | I'm thinking to giving it a quick visit, just to see how pathetic things are over there, which will make me love Free Software even more. :) | Oct 06 22:25 |
cubezzz | I want napkins with tux on them | Oct 06 22:25 |
cubezzz | whatever :) | Oct 06 22:25 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Old #Linux Kernels Released http://lwn.net/Articles/355472/ | Oct 06 22:26 | |
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cubezzz | I guess 2.4 stuff isn't updated? | Oct 06 22:26 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Akademy 2010 Coming http://bit.ly/nKtxx http://bit.ly/RoXDH | Oct 06 22:30 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Best Desktop Environment in the World (KDE 4.3.2) is Out http://bit.ly/sZS9g #kde | Oct 06 22:30 | |
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schestowitz | Omar87: Microsoft makes no money i Jordan | Oct 06 22:31 |
schestowitz | Maybe they make some money from govt contract (collusion?), but just having staff there costs them | Oct 06 22:32 |
schestowitz | Microsoft relies on 'premium' | Oct 06 22:32 |
schestowitz | Corruptible rich countries where people would pay for Linux | Oct 06 22:32 |
schestowitz | Show em that they don't have it done easily | Oct 06 22:33 |
schestowitz | This way they'll have to throw shills at the problem like they tried in Germany | Oct 06 22:33 |
schestowitz | They can't afford this forever | Oct 06 22:33 |
schestowitz | Sooner or later they go into too big a debt | Oct 06 22:33 |
cubezzz | I'm sure the big M's revenue must be falling | Oct 06 22:33 |
schestowitz | They have for a while | Oct 06 22:34 |
schestowitz | Since years ago | Oct 06 22:34 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, people over here don't understand that, Roy. | Oct 06 22:34 |
schestowitz | What not? | Oct 06 22:34 |
schestowitz | That Microsoft is heading down cause of SaaS? | Oct 06 22:34 |
schestowitz | ChromeOS will reach many people cause of the brand and channels | Oct 06 22:35 |
schestowitz | They don't need WIndows much anymore | Oct 06 22:35 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, people here just know two things: "No company other than Microsoft, No OS other than Windows". | Oct 06 22:35 |
schestowitz | It's not a profitable market for desktops | Oct 06 22:35 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, It never was. | Oct 06 22:36 |
schestowitz | But the demise of Windows in Jordan will come when Microsoft can't keep upm elsewhere | Oct 06 22:36 |
schestowitz | It'll be like Apple in the 90s | Oct 06 22:36 |
schestowitz | Which almost died | Oct 06 22:36 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, It's basically a matter of "Mass hypnosis". | Oct 06 22:36 |
cubezzz | one of the things I wonder about is are the younger ones using Microsoft alternatives, or is it still a strangle-hold on the youth | Oct 06 22:37 |
cubezzz | what are the colleges using? | Oct 06 22:37 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, when Microsoft comes to JUST, for example, and lies and lies and lies about funding the University and adopting graduating students and supporting education.. blah blah blah.. | Oct 06 22:38 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, the people will just start drooling that uncle Bill Gates will turn their place into a paradise, and will quickly shake hands with him. | Oct 06 22:39 |
cubezzz | :-P | Oct 06 22:40 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, this way have not only controlled the entire IT market, they have also gained full control of how people think. | Oct 06 22:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @kolchak Hackers have exposed a slew of hotmail account passwords, which could be potentially damaging to all of us six years ago. | Oct 06 22:41 | |
Omar87 | schestowitz, the result will be people how believe that and Operating System is Windows, and not the other way around. | Oct 06 22:41 |
Omar87 | an* Operating System | Oct 06 22:41 |
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cubezzz | there was this one video on CNN where the U.S. senators were fawning all over Gates, basically asking him "What should we do to help education?" | Oct 06 22:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] (GNU/)Linux Mint No Trailer to Windows and Mac OS X http://bit.ly/rT8Hy | Oct 06 22:44 | |
Omar87 | However, thanks to the efforts for Linux community here, things are slowing beginning to change. | Oct 06 22:44 |
Omar87 | the efforts *of the* Linux community.. | Oct 06 22:45 |
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JPerlow | http://www.frugaltechshow.com/stallman | Oct 06 22:53 |
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trmanco | I might go beta | Oct 06 23:02 |
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Diablo-D3 | of cheese | Oct 06 23:12 |
Diablo-D3 | the power of cheese | Oct 06 23:12 |
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trmanco | corbet posted it on reddit, so... | Oct 06 23:20 |
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schestowitz | [22:39] <Omar87> schestowitz, the people will just start drooling that uncle Bill Gates will turn their place into a paradise, and will quickly shake hands with him. | Oct 06 23:44 |
schestowitz | Yes, he bought a lot of PR | Oct 06 23:44 |
schestowitz | After committing those crimes and being loathed he spent a lot of effort and money buying an image | Oct 06 23:45 |
schestowitz | And politicians hang around money, like sheep and grass | Oct 06 23:45 |
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Omar87 | PR? | Oct 06 23:49 |
schestowitz | Propaganda | Oct 06 23:56 |
schestowitz | Renamed "public relations" after ww2 | Oct 06 23:56 |
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