| cubezzz | ummm | Oct 09 00:01 |
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| cubezzz | trick cyclists? | Oct 09 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: nothing popped up | Oct 09 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | Oct 09 00:02 |
| schestowitz | I saw your message | Oct 09 00:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #BFS 4ever <3 http://ur1.ca/d7pd !Debian | Oct 09 00:03 | |
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| MinceR | BFS 4ever, indeed. >> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BFS | Oct 09 00:05 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 09 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Tiny 'nuclear batteries' unveiled < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8297934.stm > | Oct 09 00:05 |
| *schestowitz wonders whether to swap over own postings to BNi | Oct 09 00:05 | |
| *schestowitz wonders why does trmanco take down the script before sleeping | Oct 09 00:06 | |
| MinceR | he doesn't trust it yet | Oct 09 00:06 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : which script ? | Oct 09 00:07 |
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| MinceR | phIRCe, i presume | Oct 09 00:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: X Factor Top 10: All you need to know about any of them http://notnews.today.com/?p=685 #xfactor | Oct 09 00:08 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: hurrrr | Oct 09 00:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | although, I do also love that kind of bfs | Oct 09 00:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | I do run miotd, after all | Oct 09 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | Cuba bloggers test government limits http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8295503.stm | Oct 09 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Online Game Network Isn't Company Town--Estavillo v. Sony http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/10/online_game_net.htm | Oct 09 00:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Outsourcing Is High Tech's Subprime-Mortgage Fiasco" - http://ping.fm/bCgq4 | Oct 09 00:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218651/Thugs-attack-men-dresses--turn-cage-fighters.html | Oct 09 00:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pirates hit navy ship 'in error' < http://ping.fm/ywwNE > Now, that's *REAL* pirates, not sharers. | Oct 09 00:37 | |
| satipera | don't do it the daily hate mail is bad for you. | Oct 09 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Oct 09 00:42 |
| schestowitz | i didn't hear that one before | Oct 09 00:42 |
| schestowitz | "Warning: Daily Mail" | Oct 09 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Gang of 100 Phishers Charged in U.S., Egypt < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/phish-phry/ >\ | Oct 09 00:42 |
| schestowitz | State to mom: Stop baby-sitting neighbors' kids http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090929/ap_on_re_us/us_baby_sitter_backlash_mich | Oct 09 00:42 |
| schestowitz | The Republican party is guided by spite < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/oct/05/republican-party-guided-by-spite > | Oct 09 00:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ainfos.ca/en/ainfos23192.html | Oct 09 00:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good news re #globalwarming : Kingsnorth power station plans shelved by E.ON http://ping.fm/NiFFx | Oct 09 00:49 | |
| schestowitz | Attack there on protesters.... | Oct 09 00:51 |
| schestowitz | via RMS: Report: Hamas arrests militants planning to fire rockets at Israel http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1119165.html | Oct 09 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Afghanistan: What Are These People Thinking? http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/6407 | Oct 09 00:51 |
| schestowitz | "But in many ways Afghanistan is worse than Vietnam. So, it is increasingly hard to fathom why a seemingly intelligent American administration seems determined to hitch itself to this disaster in the making. It is almost as if there is something about that hard-edged Central Asian country that deranges its occupiers." | Oct 09 00:51 |
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| Will | Well, Dell has new Ubuntu models up. Problem is, like usual, there are small differences between the customization options for the WIndows and Ubuntu versions of identical models. | Oct 09 01:03 |
| Will | Guess which one gets better/more varied choices? | Oct 09 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Free software page 'forgets' Linux http://www.ictknowledgebase.org.uk/freesoftware | Oct 09 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Will: Dell's same ol' practices | Oct 09 01:05 |
| schestowitz | I still don't know if they pay Microsoft for Ubuntu after the 2007 deakl | Oct 09 01:05 |
| Will | Pity. Their hardware has tended to be fairly Linux friendly. Moreso than HP, at least going by the small sample of myself and some friends. | Oct 09 01:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FTC: Bloggers who shill must also tell < http://ping.fm/TErRV > | Oct 09 01:06 | |
| schestowitz | http://freeknowledge.eu/wiki/index.php/Policymaking_at_EU_level | Oct 09 01:07 |
| schestowitz | HP seems too rare on HK desktops | Oct 09 01:07 |
| schestowitz | *UK | Oct 09 01:07 |
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| Will | That's really an odd one. HP printers are the best for Linux, but HP laptops/desktops... not always so much, at least anecdotally. | Oct 09 01:08 |
| Will | schestowitz: Will the anti-shill law actually have teeth to it? | Oct 09 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Known Microsoft shill Andrew Thomas is mocking the FSF with a daemonising photo http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44234/141/ | Oct 09 01:13 |
| schestowitz | This guy is a friend of Microsoft | Oct 09 01:13 |
| Will | schestowitz: Maybe this is a stupid question, but considering how far the technical boundaries get pushed back by 32-> 64 bit, how can 128-bit within the next few years (assuming it works) be anything more than marketting fluff? | Oct 09 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Will: nope, it'll do nothing | Oct 09 01:15 |
| schestowitz | FTC just tried to scare people | Oct 09 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Barking, not biting. Barkign mad. | Oct 09 01:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tangdynastytimes.com/2009/10/dreaming-of-carthage.html | Oct 09 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Will: it's a rhetirical question re 129 bits | Oct 09 01:16 |
| schestowitz | *128 | Oct 09 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can't even figure out what to do with Windows | Oct 09 01:16 |
| schestowitz | It still plays with all those 'research' OSes and BSDs | Oct 09 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they plan to slap some WIndows code on a more solid foundation | Oct 09 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Or /parts/ of Windows, like Apple did | Oct 09 01:17 |
| schestowitz | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/10/07/#20091007-netgear_myopenrouter | Oct 09 01:17 |
| Will | Pulling an Apple might be great for Microsoft, but they'd be accused to copying Apple once again. | Oct 09 01:18 |
| Will | s/to/of | Oct 09 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Did China invent every sport? < http://shanghai.urbanatomy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2262:did-china-invent-every-sport&catid=175:professional&Itemid=36 > | Oct 09 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Will: they'd lose in he process | Oct 09 01:19 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Oct 09 01:19 |
| Will | They'd lose the whole Windows software ecosystem | Oct 09 01:20 |
| schestowitz | They have already compromised backward-compt' | Oct 09 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Will: they already /have/ | Oct 09 01:20 |
| schestowitz | What keeps them going is poor Vista* adoption | Oct 09 01:20 |
| schestowitz | A lot of s/w still doesn't work (or works poorly) in the Vista* family | Oct 09 01:20 |
| Will | heh. I wouldn't know. ;) | Oct 09 01:21 |
| schestowitz | And Vista* family is still not secure, either. | Oct 09 01:21 |
| schestowitz | People need to find new versions of Adobe stuff to get it running in VIsta* | Oct 09 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Same in VIsta7 | Oct 09 01:21 |
| schestowitz | They resolved NOTHING | Oct 09 01:21 |
| schestowitz | People need to buy pricey edition to run ANOTHER OS (more RAM!) to party like it's 2001 and run something like Photoshop | Oct 09 01:21 |
| Will | Don't worry. Windows 9 will solve everything! (and cure cancer!) | Oct 09 01:22 |
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| Will | and it will be 1 million bit! | Oct 09 01:22 |
| Will | On a serious note, though, (and I've said this before -- _goblin probably has too), anyone for whom XP mode is a compelling reason to buy Windows 7 should either stick with XP as the base OS or run Linux with XP in a virtual machine. | Oct 09 01:25 |
| Will | If Vista can't make your hardware crawl, I'd imaging Windows 7 and XP running in parallel will try their hardest to do so. | Oct 09 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Google Adds Quick View for PDFs to Search Results http://mashable.com/2009/10/07/google-search-results-pdfs/ | Oct 09 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Will: Vista 9 may not exist | Oct 09 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Will: earlier I posted an article about VirtualBox with XP under GNU/Linux (yesterday) | Oct 09 01:27 |
| schestowitz | XP running in VIsta 7 is a security attack vector | Oct 09 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Weakest link is then XP | Oct 09 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Hello, Conficker | Oct 09 01:28 |
| Will | I've been playing around with VirtualBox myself recently. I was crazy enough to try the Vista 7 RC in a VM. Brought this machine to a crawl. | Oct 09 01:28 |
| Will | on both the host and the vm | Oct 09 01:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17943-why-the-peak-oil-debate-is-irrelevant.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news Why the 'peak oil' debate is irrelevant | Oct 09 01:30 |
| Will | schestowitz: yeah, another good point. Twice the Windows means twice the anti-virus needs. | Oct 09 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Hehehe | Oct 09 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I never thought about it | Oct 09 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Run Vista7 with Norton *AND* a VM running XP *AND* McAfee | Oct 09 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Not hog thre, eh? | Oct 09 01:31 |
| schestowitz | OR............... | Oct 09 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Just run Fedora. | Oct 09 01:31 |
| schestowitz | No AV | Oct 09 01:31 |
| schestowitz | No VM | Oct 09 01:31 |
| schestowitz | No AV under VM | Oct 09 01:31 |
| cubezzz | right, that's what I do anyway :) | Oct 09 01:31 |
| Will | and just cross-compile, if you have to. | Oct 09 01:32 |
| cubezzz | exactly | Oct 09 01:32 |
| Will | Ubuntu cola: http://www.ubuntu-trading.com/ | Oct 09 01:35 |
| Will | (not related to Canonical) | Oct 09 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Closed Border, closed economy, closing opportunities http://eaves.ca/2009/10/05/closed-border-closed-economy-closing-opportunities/ | Oct 09 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Canonical cola would not sell | Oct 09 01:36 |
| schestowitz | They would make i brown and put poison (mono) in i | Oct 09 01:37 |
| schestowitz | *itx2 | Oct 09 01:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @Glyn Moody Is America getting more like China? - http://bit.ly/28YbQB good analysis from someone in a position to comment | Oct 09 01:38 | |
| schestowitz | BBC sells out some more to Microsoft: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2009/10/realmedia_an_update.shtml | Oct 09 01:40 |
| cubezzz | anyone know how to exit from irssi? | Oct 09 01:42 |
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| Will | biggest patch tuesday ever coming up, apparently: http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/10/08/2249227/Microsoft-Plans-Largest-Ever-Patch-Tuesday?art_pos=1 | Oct 09 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : the last patch, hahahahahaha | Oct 09 01:51 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft RIP 2010? | Oct 09 01:52 |
| cubezzz | nah, won't be that fast | Oct 09 01:52 |
| Will | You know, I'm not going to put a timeline on the "Microsoft Death Watch", but when they do fall, it's probably going to be ugly for some people. Monoculture = single point of failure | Oct 09 01:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 09 01:53 |
| schestowitz | great explanation on Microsoft.com of the terrible cost of Windows' susceptibility to viruses - http://bit.ly/11v0aL #securityabout 14 hours ago from Gwibber | Oct 09 01:53 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/4705688845 | Oct 09 01:53 |
| cubezzz | we don't really have a monoculture, maybe close to it | Oct 09 01:53 |
| cubezzz | moving away from it | Oct 09 01:54 |
| Will | cubezzz: and the faster the better. Lots of people have gone years without even starting up a Microsoft technology. | Oct 09 01:55 |
| Will | But then, unfortunately, there are still some out there that literally wouldn't be able to get on the internet if someone removed the blue e icon. | Oct 09 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Catch you in the morning... | Oct 09 01:56 |
| *schestowitz zzzz | Oct 09 01:56 | |
| Will | gn | Oct 09 01:56 |
| cubezzz | the late 90's were bad | Oct 09 01:57 |
| cubezzz | commodore was dead, Microsoft was moving close to 100% of PCs | Oct 09 01:58 |
| Will | yes, though back then I didn't know any better. | Oct 09 01:58 |
| cubezzz | I knew better in the 80's | Oct 09 01:58 |
| Will | ignorance wasn't bliss, though. | Oct 09 01:59 |
| cubezzz | I knew enough to know this stuff from Microsoft wasn't that great | Oct 09 01:59 |
| voltronw_ | cubezzz: yeah, that migration process from commodore 64 to windows 98 was pretty rough huh? | Oct 09 01:59 |
| cubezzz | not 64, Amiga | Oct 09 01:59 |
| voltronw_ | right, those tens of millions of amiga users | Oct 09 01:59 |
| cubezzz | no more parts = game over | Oct 09 01:59 |
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| _goblin | hi all.... | Oct 09 02:10 |
| _goblin | someone mention Amiga? | Oct 09 02:10 |
| cubezzz | in 1998 I was trying stuff like BeOS | Oct 09 02:10 |
| cubezzz | just me reminiscing _goblin | Oct 09 02:11 |
| _goblin | 1998??? mm...for me I was experiencing first hand that what MS said Windows would run well on and the reality were too different things. | Oct 09 02:11 |
| _goblin | and I do love a good Amiga memory lane trip | Oct 09 02:11 |
| _goblin | "Guru meditation - task held" | Oct 09 02:12 |
| _goblin | "/s/starup-sequence" | Oct 09 02:12 |
| _goblin | and of course the mother of all paint packages DPAINT III | Oct 09 02:13 |
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| _goblin | I'll stop there! | Oct 09 02:13 |
| cubezzz | well the 500 did have it's problems | Oct 09 02:14 |
| cubezzz | weak power supply, no MMU | Oct 09 02:14 |
| _goblin | TV modulator was easy to weaken too... | Oct 09 02:14 |
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| yuhong | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/07/schmidt-we-have-not-yet-found-the-evil-room/ | Oct 09 02:15 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Got #Googlewave Invitation from @sebinaj . it took 1 week to reach at my end . I am not impressed with wave yet. | Oct 09 05:19 | |
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| cubezzz-zaurus | test | Oct 09 05:30 |
| cubezzz-zaurus | well that seems to work | Oct 09 05:30 |
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| TheMadHatter_ | Roy, here's something that's totally off topic, but hey, you might want to post it | Oct 09 06:08 |
| TheMadHatter_ | http://crankyoldnutcase.blogspot.com/2009/10/astroturf-in-climate-change-discussion.html | Oct 09 06:08 |
| TheMadHatter_ | Anyway, I'm off for bed. | Oct 09 06:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] New cool #Linux video! http://bit.ly/2lwSpp :) | Oct 09 06:18 | |
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| tessier | Afghanistan is nothing like Vietnam. | Oct 09 07:42 |
| tessier | 1,447 vs 58,000 casualties? Proxy war vs independents? Jungle vs in the open? | Oct 09 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | Rouighly Draft links to us and does a whole discussion about it...... http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/08/gartner-declares-android-a-second-place-winner-in-2012-why/ | Oct 09 08:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/09/cisco_c_racks/ | Oct 09 08:24 |
| sfhsdg | tessier, massive unaccountability and lies about actions from those at the top? | Oct 09 08:26 |
| sfhsdg | large influence of the military industrial complex | Oct 09 08:27 |
| schestowitz | The director of the FBI thinks Internet banking is unsafe http://www.itworld.com/security/80343/director-fbi-thinks-internet-banking-unsafe | Oct 09 08:27 |
| *sfhsdg is now known as fewa | Oct 09 08:27 | |
| fewa | but i believe it is differnt | Oct 09 08:27 |
| fewa | the war profiteering is probably much worse in afghanistan | Oct 09 08:27 |
| fewa | this is a war that may lead to the destabilization of a holder of nuclear weapons, Pakistan | Oct 09 08:28 |
| fewa | schestowitz, http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Purported_transcript_suggests_all_US_checking_accounts_vulnerable_to_remote_theft_by_Etrade_fraudsters%2C_21_July_2009 | Oct 09 08:29 |
| fewa | Banks that operate internet portals, at least in the United States, seem unwilling to educate users about, essential cryptographic techniques | Oct 09 08:30 |
| fewa | they for example, wont distribute printer version of their public key fingerprints | Oct 09 08:31 |
| fewa | nor allow customers to have their own private keys | Oct 09 08:31 |
| schestowitz | They should hand out live CDs | Oct 09 08:31 |
| fewa | schestowitz, agreed | Oct 09 08:31 |
| fewa | that soulds like the only way to prevent phishing | Oct 09 08:32 |
| schestowitz | As the only access point | Oct 09 08:32 |
| schestowitz | It has keys on and passwords | Oct 09 08:32 |
| fewa | with the persons name on it | Oct 09 08:32 |
| schestowitz | So going via mail won't work | Oct 09 08:32 |
| fewa | and that persons private key | Oct 09 08:32 |
| fewa | encrypted with their pin number | Oct 09 08:32 |
| fewa | nah, pin number too low entropy | Oct 09 08:32 |
| schestowitz | depends on length | Oct 09 08:33 |
| schestowitz | And you can limit | Oct 09 08:33 |
| fewa | schestowitz, most pin numbers here 4 digits | Oct 09 08:33 |
| schestowitz | My bankl locks after 3 bad attempts | Oct 09 08:33 |
| fewa | all numbers | Oct 09 08:33 |
| fewa | cant do that for encrypted things that users hold though | Oct 09 08:33 |
| fewa | has to be challengeresp | Oct 09 08:33 |
| fewa | tessier, massive environmental damage in both cases too | Oct 09 08:34 |
| schestowitz | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lRTwKEuBA3A/SiUhU_wP66I/AAAAAAAABMY/tO70jzabPzo/S220/boycotgm.jpg | Oct 09 08:34 |
| fewa | agent orange in former, depleted uranium dust in latter, among other pollutants | Oct 09 08:35 |
| schestowitz | What Do You Mean "Gold Shortage?" < http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2009/10/what-do-you-mean-gold-shortage.html > | Oct 09 08:35 |
| fewa | >95% of gold around in classical age still here | Oct 09 08:36 |
| fewa | well i cant find source so dont trust it | Oct 09 08:36 |
| fewa | but i heard that | Oct 09 08:36 |
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| fewa | Its in electronics in minute amounts these days | Oct 09 08:37 |
| fewa | releases lots of dangerous pollutants when it is recycled | Oct 09 08:38 |
| fewa | wow | Oct 09 08:39 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/11602507 "!gnu !fsf so when did Python replace Guile as the standard GNU scripting language? asking 'cause GDB can be scripted with Python now...wtf" | Oct 09 08:39 |
| fewa | they are trying to prevent people from caching out of the commodities market? | Oct 09 08:39 |
| schestowitz | fewa: I've found some more good links | Oct 09 08:40 |
| schestowitz | I usually just post them with the big bunch | Oct 09 08:40 |
| fewa | " | Oct 09 08:40 |
| fewa | It means that they are fighting a losing battle. They are desperately trying to coax gold out of hiding by offering ever higher bribes -- not in terms of the price but in terms of the basis. A low basis means that they offer to take your cash gold and let you have gold futures in exchange at a discount price. (The discount is contango minus the basis, so that the two are inversely related: As the basis falls, the discount | Oct 09 08:40 |
| fewa | increases.) This will allow you to invest an amount equal to the price of gold (less 5 percent, the margin on the gold future) in any way you want and, having paid the reduced contango, you can keep the profits. The point is that you will still benefit from any advance in the gold price, just as you would if you owned cash gold. You can have your cake and eat it too. " | Oct 09 08:40 |
| fewa | looks like the plannings for shoddy accounting | Oct 09 08:40 |
| fewa | ie fraudulent | Oct 09 08:41 |
| fewa | like what happened with stock market | Oct 09 08:41 |
| fewa | the ratings industry was corrupt | Oct 09 08:41 |
| fewa | *business | Oct 09 08:41 |
| fewa | big 4 | Oct 09 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Rating 'business' | Oct 09 08:43 |
| fewa | the business of assigning value | Oct 09 08:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgvF0AOz_eU&feature=related | Oct 09 08:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4GOd4uKy3c | Oct 09 08:46 |
| schestowitz | I can't find the ooriguinal where he exposed Moody's | Oct 09 08:46 |
| schestowitz | Micrsoft uses 'recommendations' from Moody's | Oct 09 08:46 |
| schestowitz | They are corrupt[ible] | Oct 09 08:46 |
| fewa | interesting the analyzer | Oct 09 08:50 |
| fewa | but i had already seen the kucinich video | Oct 09 08:50 |
| fewa | Alan Grayson : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ECLxK2YTs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsTEn-fcjU0 | Oct 09 08:53 |
| fewa | This guy has been a bad ass on the Republicans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCAPX0RKwDU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ery7RZ4tZ2Y& | Oct 09 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Republican... | Oct 09 08:56 |
| fewa | "Republican" | Oct 09 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Now he just needs to get ill | Oct 09 08:56 |
| schestowitz | And... | Oct 09 08:56 |
| fewa | even though they are not representing their constituents interest | Oct 09 08:56 |
| schestowitz | Neither party does | Oct 09 08:56 |
| schestowitz | They have campaign funders | Oct 09 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Two "business parties" | Oct 09 08:57 |
| fewa | yes why the US needs public funding of public elections | Oct 09 08:57 |
| schestowitz | That's probably why it's called a party [in a transaction|party to a deal] | Oct 09 08:57 |
| schestowitz | /s/public elections/public relations/ | Oct 09 08:58 |
| fewa | parties were once quite strong in the US | Oct 09 08:58 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_tea_party | Oct 09 08:58 |
| fewa | throughout the first half of the century they played a critical role in formal democracy | Oct 09 08:58 |
| fewa | schestowitz, lol | Oct 09 08:58 |
| fewa | read about it in the People History of the United States | Oct 09 08:58 |
| fewa | the aristocrats had an anniversary party of the BTP, but only the rich were invited | Oct 09 08:59 |
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| fewa | the result of stretegic aims to target the angers of the masses to the interests of the aristocrats, as British colonial society became increasingly stratified. | Oct 09 09:01 |
| schestowitz | "Those who matter" | Oct 09 09:01 |
| fewa | just read the writings of James Madison | Oct 09 09:01 |
| fewa | "to protect the minority of the opulent against the maroity" | Oct 09 09:02 |
| fewa | that was the function of the "republic" | Oct 09 09:02 |
| fewa | they have a long series of letter on copyright | Oct 09 09:02 |
| Omar87 | Hi | Oct 09 09:02 |
| Omar87 | Hi all | Oct 09 09:02 |
| fewa | and other government-granted monopolies | Oct 09 09:02 |
| fewa | which led to the result of the copyright clause | Oct 09 09:03 |
| fewa | Jefferson continually seeing himself as speaking for the people (ostensibly free men), and Madison unabashedly speaking for the opulent | Oct 09 09:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I heard this before... but incentives don't reach politicians from 'the people' | Oct 09 09:05 |
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| fewa | well this was before the government was instituted | Oct 09 09:05 |
| fewa | and when it was first set up, it didn't include the bill of rights | Oct 09 09:05 |
| fewa | but yes | Oct 09 09:07 |
| fewa | these are largely arguments of rhetoric | Oct 09 09:07 |
| fewa | even if intentions are good incentive forces drive out "ineffective" policies | Oct 09 09:10 |
| fewa | meaning they benifit the masses | Oct 09 09:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Developing a 128-bit Windows < http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/10/microsoft-is-fi.html > | Oct 09 09:13 |
| schestowitz | "Of course my first reaction to the news that Windows is going 128-bit is "They couldn't even get 64, 32, or 16-bit right." But snarks aside, it seems this is coming, and as far as I know nobody is working on a 128-bit Linux. Does this really matter?" | Oct 09 09:13 |
| fewa | I didn't even get that far | Oct 09 09:14 |
| fewa | I just went--their writers know they need some astroturf, but they cant think of anything exciting Linux _hasnt_ done, or at least attempted | Oct 09 09:15 |
| fewa | so they went with the most cooked up thing they could think of | Oct 09 09:15 |
| fewa | s/astroturf/hype vaporware/ | Oct 09 09:16 |
| fewa | because if it was anything that Linux has attempted then that would immediately steal the thunder | Oct 09 09:16 |
| fewa | as it would be real, in contrast to the vaporware's, well, vapor | Oct 09 09:17 |
| fewa | and that counter wouldn't cost money | Oct 09 09:17 |
| cubezzz | ok, my first question is: where are the 128-bit cpus? | Oct 09 09:18 |
| fewa | I had that question too | Oct 09 09:19 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry | Oct 09 09:22 |
| schestowitz | "They'll think about it" | Oct 09 09:22 |
| cubezzz | there isn't one, unless there's some mainframe one | Oct 09 09:22 |
| schestowitz | What would be the incentives of /designing/ any? I don't see it | Oct 09 09:22 |
| schestowitz | There's 128bit IP addresses | Oct 09 09:23 |
| schestowitz | And filesystem | Oct 09 09:23 |
| schestowitz | Linux has those already | Oct 09 09:23 |
| fewa | the whole design of hitting vaporware right before a release is to have a proactive way of margilizing dissatifaction | Oct 09 09:23 |
| schestowitz | But not pipes | Oct 09 09:23 |
| schestowitz | fewa: "just stay with us. It's out real soon now" | Oct 09 09:23 |
| schestowitz | ZFs is 128-bit | Oct 09 09:24 |
| schestowitz | IIIRC | Oct 09 09:24 |
| schestowitz | Oracle might bring it to Linux, not just btrfs | Oct 09 09:24 |
| fewa | they can just pretend that anything people are dissatisfied with today, will be "in the next version, which is ever so close" | Oct 09 09:24 |
| cubezzz | typical microsoft ploy though | Oct 09 09:24 |
| schestowitz | fewa: let me show you s/t | Oct 09 09:24 |
| fewa | twitter (the user) has this very well documented | Oct 09 09:24 |
| fewa | they did it will XP, VIsta | Oct 09 09:24 |
| fewa | and 7 | Oct 09 09:24 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4180 | Oct 09 09:24 |
| fewa | and they are already on it for Vista 8 | Oct 09 09:24 |
| fewa | aka Vista.2 | Oct 09 09:24 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna post this soon | Oct 09 09:24 |
| schestowitz | Vista 3 | Oct 09 09:24 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 was a rushed job | Oct 09 09:25 |
| cubezzz | well the 4 petabyte memory limit doesn't seem to be in any danger :) | Oct 09 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Cause VIsta leaks market share for win32 | Oct 09 09:25 |
| fewa | schestowitz, and even internally they wont call it #7 | Oct 09 09:25 |
| fewa | its NT 6.1 | Oct 09 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 09 09:25 |
| fewa | hench Vista.1 | Oct 09 09:25 |
| fewa | but win32 is stagnent | Oct 09 09:26 |
| fewa | and an API which is stagnent cannot generate money for a API provider | Oct 09 09:26 |
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| fewa | hence Microsoft's death knell | Oct 09 09:26 |
| cubezzz | ah, well does Windows 7 need 64 bit? | Oct 09 09:26 |
| fewa | its stuck at NT 5.3 | Oct 09 09:26 |
| fewa | x86_32 | Oct 09 09:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.databasejournal.com/features/mysql/article.php/3842836/Faster--Stronger-MySQL.htm | Oct 09 09:27 |
| fewa | cubezzz, no | Oct 09 09:27 |
| fewa | No maker of Windows programs would make a program that is not compatible with XP | Oct 09 09:28 |
| cubezzz | that's what I figured | Oct 09 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Learn Linux, 101: File and directory management < http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-103-3/index.html > | Oct 09 09:28 |
| cubezzz | well with tons of people porting stuff to everything imaginable you got to think gnu/linux has the edge | Oct 09 09:30 |
| *cubezzz has been listening to a lot of Stallman speeches | Oct 09 09:30 | |
| fewa | cubezzz, and only free software is portable | Oct 09 09:30 |
| schestowitz | "Part 1 of this series taught a fast way to practice building a kernel using the kernel configuration from your current Linus distro." | Oct 09 09:30 |
| schestowitz | Linus distro | Oct 09 09:30 |
| fewa | or at least, has any chance of being ported | Oct 09 09:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6868/1/ | Oct 09 09:31 |
| cubezzz | the PDP-10 story was interesting | Oct 09 09:31 |
| fewa | ALL HAIL LINUX | Oct 09 09:31 |
| fewa | *LINUS | Oct 09 09:31 |
| fewa | lol | Oct 09 09:31 |
| cubezzz | no one ever says gnu/linux :-0 | Oct 09 09:31 |
| fewa | cubezzz, Debian GNU/Linux | Oct 09 09:31 |
| fewa | its in the name | Oct 09 09:32 |
| cubezzz | ah | Oct 09 09:32 |
| fewa | cubezzz, I was mocking the IBM article | Oct 09 09:32 |
| fewa | which schestowitz quoted | Oct 09 09:32 |
| fewa | big companies dont want the GNU philosophy to spread | Oct 09 09:32 |
| fewa | they view it as a threat | Oct 09 09:32 |
| cubezzz | I'd like to get another Linux box... ooops, I mean :) | Oct 09 09:32 |
| cubezzz | GNU/Linux | Oct 09 09:33 |
| fewa | well X11/GNU/Linux/Apache/BIND/GNOME/KDE/etc/etc | Oct 09 09:33 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Oct 09 09:33 |
| cubezzz | hey, wait a sec... | Oct 09 09:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm not running X11 on everything :) | Oct 09 09:34 |
| fewa | nor KDE+GNOME | Oct 09 09:34 |
| fewa | what makes free software so liberating | Oct 09 09:34 |
| fewa | not every computer that runs linux, runs GNU | Oct 09 09:34 |
| fewa | nor the other way around | Oct 09 09:34 |
| cubezzz | I don't really feel that pedantic about the whole GNU/Linux thing | Oct 09 09:34 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Oct 09 09:35 |
| cubezzz | there's GNU/Hurd after all | Oct 09 09:35 |
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| cubezzz | if anyone got it to work :-) | Oct 09 09:35 |
| fewa | but I do agree with them that it is misplaced to think that Linus Torvalds wrote the thing | Oct 09 09:35 |
| fewa | however, many are enticed to such misconceptions | Oct 09 09:35 |
| fewa | thats what GNU/Linux is meant to dissuade | Oct 09 09:35 |
| fewa | as GNU predates Linux by 6 years | Oct 09 09:36 |
| cubezzz | I didn't realize there was Linux with no GNU at all | Oct 09 09:36 |
| cubezzz | I haven't seen that | Oct 09 09:36 |
| fewa | cubezzz, busybox | Oct 09 09:36 |
| cubezzz | didn't the busybox guys use gcc? | Oct 09 09:36 |
| fewa | μclibc | Oct 09 09:36 |
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| fewa | they do use gcc | Oct 09 09:37 |
| fewa | everyone uses gcc | Oct 09 09:37 |
| fewa | although Linux forked the 3.x branch | Oct 09 09:37 |
| fewa | *linux kernel development team | Oct 09 09:38 |
| cubezzz | why did they do that? | Oct 09 09:38 |
| fewa | disagreements, Im not an expert | Oct 09 09:38 |
| fewa | they went back to GNU gcc at version 4 | Oct 09 09:38 |
| fewa | because GCC 4 introduced huge improvements with full internationalization | Oct 09 09:39 |
| fewa | the move to GCC 4 is what created "libc6" | Oct 09 09:39 |
| cubezzz | well I suppose there's no rule against forking | Oct 09 09:39 |
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| fewa | but it causes a great deal to development | Oct 09 09:39 |
| fewa | *a great deal of slowing | Oct 09 09:39 |
| fewa | duplication of effort | Oct 09 09:39 |
| fewa | if it is long term | Oct 09 09:39 |
| fewa | look at X11 | Oct 09 09:40 |
| fewa | which was also around before Linux | Oct 09 09:40 |
| cubezzz | that's true | Oct 09 09:40 |
| fewa | but the full internationalization made them go back | Oct 09 09:41 |
| fewa | http://notnews.today.com/2009/05/07/debian-forks-glibc-over-drepper/ | Oct 09 09:43 |
| cubezzz | that just seems strange :) | Oct 09 09:49 |
| cubezzz | but a lot of arguments I listen to seem strange | Oct 09 09:50 |
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| fewa | http://notnews.today.com/2009/10/06/microsoft-windows-beats-all-in-security-tests/ | Oct 09 09:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/magazines-product-of-year-doesnt-actually-exist/ | Oct 09 09:54 |
| fewa | http://notnews.today.com/2009/10/05/apple-inc-sues-apples-for-trademark-violation/ | Oct 09 09:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/08/quick-and-easy-backups-with-flyback/ | Oct 09 09:57 |
| schestowitz | gnu is more than 6 years older than Linux | Oct 09 09:58 |
| schestowitz | GNU is 26 now | Oct 09 09:58 |
| fewa | 1985? | Oct 09 09:58 |
| fewa | vs 1991 | Oct 09 09:58 |
| fewa | ? | Oct 09 09:59 |
| schestowitz | Depends what you count | Oct 09 09:59 |
| fewa | or 83? | Oct 09 09:59 |
| schestowitz | GU manifesto? | Oct 09 09:59 |
| schestowitz | 83 | Oct 09 09:59 |
| schestowitz | *gnu | Oct 09 09:59 |
| cubezzz | when was gcc first released? | Oct 09 09:59 |
| schestowitz | OpenArea has some large-breatsed targets:c http://linuxhub.net/2009/10/openarena-first-person-shooting-game-for-ubuntu-install-in-3-easy-steps/ | Oct 09 10:00 |
| cubezzz | 1987 | Oct 09 10:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/441-automatic-package-updates-in-ubuntu-using-cron-apt | Oct 09 10:01 |
| cubezzz | but obviously he started long before that | Oct 09 10:01 |
| fewa | Nexuiz http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz/ | Oct 09 10:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Leaked #Hotmail Password Data Analysis http://bit.ly/77UyM | Oct 09 10:03 | |
| schestowitz | http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/does-technology-equal-mush-for-brains-34657 | Oct 09 10:09 |
| schestowitz | fewa: new release | Oct 09 10:10 |
| schestowitz | "Get the facts, mr. Ballmer: London Stock Exchange switches to !GNU/Linux after realizing that Windows and C# crash often http://ur1.ca/d8j5 " http://identi.ca/notice/11655231 | Oct 09 10:11 |
| fewa | also Linux was only freed 1993 | Oct 09 10:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, see | Oct 09 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the real problem is | Oct 09 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | why is my dick not free software? | Oct 09 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd love for women to... um, I have no punchline setup for this joke. | Oct 09 10:19 |
| *Diablo-D3 gives up | Oct 09 10:19 | |
| fewa | fork you? | Oct 09 10:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | that works | Oct 09 10:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | as long as I dont spawn any child processes, I'm totally fine with it | Oct 09 10:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, even if I do, as long as I dont have to pay the startup cost, Im totally fine with it | Oct 09 10:20 |
| cubezzz | we say that in chess too :) | Oct 09 10:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Dell Machine Comes with #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Manual http://bit.ly/3XGYHW | Oct 09 10:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Large Number of #GNU #Linux #Subnotebooks Deployed in a District http://bit.ly/KHiUP | Oct 09 10:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Hulu Adds Mature #GNU #Linux Support http://bit.ly/2yhhB | Oct 09 10:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco Uses #GNU #Linux to Establish Its Business http://bit.ly/Gjutu | Oct 09 10:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Improved #OpenChrome Driver and #ATI #KMS Improvements Come to #Linux http://bit.ly/3aPyBC http://bit.ly/11RrCa | Oct 09 10:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #X Celebrates 25th Anniversary Just After #GNU http://lwn.net/Articles/354408/ | Oct 09 10:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Linux #Conference Now in Video http://bit.ly/o8f6B http://lwn.net/Articles/354690/ | Oct 09 11:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Version of #AlienArena is Released http://bit.ly/1ilx8 http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14222 | Oct 09 11:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenGL 3.2 Embraces by #Unigine http://bit.ly/jyicP | Oct 09 11:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Yoper #GNU #Linux 2009 - New #Development Version http://bit.ly/4oatSO | Oct 09 11:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SystemRescueCD in Review by Jack Wallen http://bit.ly/aFBQB http://bit.ly/35Ban #gnu #linux | Oct 09 11:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mesa 7.6 Enters #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10, Looks Promising http://bit.ly/1IFTzE http://bit.ly/ixWpX | Oct 09 11:16 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Low-power #Iomega #NAS Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/qCAlR | Oct 09 11:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Many People Already Use #Linux Computers http://bit.ly/wdVLS #embedded | Oct 09 11:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HowStuffWorks Covers #Linux #Phones http://bit.ly/11RVxz #android | Oct 09 11:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Keith Packard on everything that's wrong with X11 and how to fix it http://lwn.net/Articles/354408/ | Oct 09 11:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Weave 0.7 Released http://bit.ly/4rP8B6 | Oct 09 11:29 | |
| oiaohm | I like Keith 3.# "Accidentally" break things in the code. Test method. | Oct 09 11:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @glynwintle Romanian court reject data retention law. So far the only english report is (not entirely accurate) http://bit.ly/aIuJF | Oct 09 11:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Asian #FreeSoftware Event Targets Academics http://www.opensource.org/node/475 | Oct 09 11:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL 's CEO Wants #Oracle Buyout http://bit.ly/3LtkID Monty did not agree | Oct 09 11:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Gov't Trying Everything Possible Not To Give Up Telco #Immunity Lobbying Records http://ur1.ca/d8qx #spying #nsaspying | Oct 09 11:37 | |
| oiaohm | I guess you have seen MS back stepping on that 128 bit that they were talking about filesystem schestowitz | Oct 09 11:38 |
| fewa | you cant step back from vaporware | Oct 09 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Again the same logic applies btrfs and others that are full 64 bit file systems can allocation a full partition to a file. So we really need to store large than 2^64 ? | Oct 09 11:39 |
| fewa | thats the first rule of vaporware | Oct 09 11:39 |
| fewa | "the masses will more easily believe a big lie than a small one" | Oct 09 11:39 |
| fewa | although that quote is actually taken quite out of context | Oct 09 11:39 |
| oiaohm | You kinda have to fewa when hardware makers are going make a laughing stock out of you. | Oct 09 11:40 |
| fewa | oiaohm, yeah, but it shows they are falling apart | Oct 09 11:40 |
| fewa | *fall victim | Oct 09 11:41 |
| oiaohm | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28373/1090/ Hmm De Icaza makes light of Microsoft bid to sell anti-Linux patents . Where is the once bitten twice shy. | Oct 09 11:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Funding for #RubyonRails Host Increased http://bit.ly/1M5bJL #ror | Oct 09 11:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Adobe Uses "Open" Buzzwords to Harm #Web #Standards http://bit.ly/3KMRp1 | Oct 09 11:45 | |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/10/day-of-nvidia-chipset-reckoning-arrives.ars This is not exactly good. | Oct 09 11:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Eolas Shows That #USPTO is Broken, Needs Disbanding http://bit.ly/gFX49 | Oct 09 12:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Unix is evil! EVIL! http://imgur.com/z1b9b.png | Oct 09 12:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Are GNU/Linux users treated as second class when it comes to Linux-based phones? Discuss http://fsmsh.com/3219 | Oct 09 12:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Terry Hancock asks: "Is free software really capable of serving end users or not?" What di you think? http://fsmsh.com/3212 | Oct 09 12:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] "If #freesoftware is major league,we can thumb noses at MS, but must be judged by the same end user standards" http://fsmsh.com/3212 | Oct 09 12:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BBC Has New Opportunity to Embrace #Ogg / #Dirac http://bit.ly/wcfuX | Oct 09 12:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Stuck with #Blender? Terry Hancock suggest a great tutorial: http://fsmsh.com/3202 | Oct 09 12:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | It was on the weather channel that Obama is the 3rd sitting US President to win a Nobel Peace Prize | Oct 09 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't say what for, probably the arms reduction treaty with Russia | Oct 09 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | well, he handled that Bush mess pretty well, stopped the strip mining of the Grand Canyon and we'll probably feed the warheads to the nuclear reactors in our power plants instead | Oct 09 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | good riddance | Oct 09 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | I would hope that we could get down to 1500 warheads apiece by 2016, this treaty takes us both to 2000 from US 2500, Russia 2800 | Oct 09 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | we'll always have some, but THOUSANDS apiece is just ridiculous | Oct 09 12:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Biggest-Ever Bunch of Critical Patches Sting Microsoft, Vista 7 Hijackable Again http://bit.ly/3CCH4O | Oct 09 12:15 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft plans monster Patch Tuesday next week .::. Size~: 134.08 KB | Oct 09 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: OEMs are going back to a clean Windows recovery disc instead of the partition that restores all the crapware | Oct 09 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | well, some are anyway, the transition is happening with PCs with 64-bit Windows | Oct 09 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly DaemonFC | Oct 09 12:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Roughly Drafted Magazine on Why #Gartner is Corrupt and #WindowsMobile is Doomed http://bit.ly/HVobN http://bit.ly/13xUwu | Oct 09 12:17 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Gartner declares Android a second place winner in 2012. Why? RoughlyDrafted Magazine .::. Size~: 49.61 KB | Oct 09 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Lot are going back to recovery disks that install all the crap back in DaemonFC | Oct 09 12:18 |
| phIRCe | Title: Exclusive: Pink Danger leaks from Microsofts Windows Phone RoughlyDrafted Magazine .::. Size~: 45.37 KB | Oct 09 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | at least this means that you can just format the hard disk as soon as you get the system and never deal with the OEM crapplications again | Oct 09 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Nop DaemonFC | Oct 09 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | according to ZT Systems, their recovery DVDs are clean | Oct 09 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Ok odd one out. | Oct 09 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | but the trialware is there on the default hard disk image | Oct 09 12:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Tries to Fool the #EU (Regarding Software Patents), Lies About Share http://bit.ly/BTqj7 http://bit.ly/HgYZf | Oct 09 12:18 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Is the EU-Microsoft Deal a Victory or Defeat? And for Whom? - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 81.61 KB | Oct 09 12:18 |
| phIRCe | Title: open...: Meet Microsoft, the Delusional .::. Size~: 94.74 KB | Oct 09 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | I asked a list of questions before I bought one of their systems | Oct 09 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | last thing I want is a recovery partition, crapware, or both | Oct 09 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | I could get that with Dell or HP | Oct 09 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'm fine with formatting once and never seeing it again though | Oct 09 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | I hate crapware, my top three annoyances are Norton anything, iTunes, and those WildTangent spyware games | Oct 09 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Lot of custom builders don't have the resources to make crap ware disks. | Oct 09 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | but the trialware disc burning suites are annoying too | Oct 09 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie the smaller ones in the game. | Oct 09 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | I like small, straightforward apps that do what they're made for and just get it done | Oct 09 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | ImgBurn is a great example | Oct 09 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | 1.5 MB and can burn anything, even music discs, just borrows any codecs you have installed for DShow | Oct 09 12:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard Unix is evil! EVIL! http://imgur.com/z1b9b.png | Oct 09 12:22 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 09 12:22 |
| oiaohm | KDE person here. I like K3B for the simple fact no matter what program I am using that needs to burn from the kde tree I end up in the same interface. | Oct 09 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | Nero is like 1.5 GB and can't do half as much | Oct 09 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | and costs $100 | Oct 09 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | who buys this crap? | Oct 09 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Nero is only worth 15 dollars on Linux. | Oct 09 12:23 |
| oiaohm | MS guys get ripped. | Oct 09 12:23 |
| fewa | <oiaohm> MS guys get ripped. | Oct 09 12:23 |
| fewa | you can say that again | Oct 09 12:23 |
| oiaohm | At 15 dollars even buying nero on linux is iffy. | Oct 09 12:25 |
| fewa | K3b, brasero, why? | Oct 09 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | I dislike Brasero | Oct 09 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | it gets temperamental on many types of drives for some reason, K3B never craps out on me | Oct 09 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | oh, I got the bill from the Emergency Room | Oct 09 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | $2,851.10 | Oct 09 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | AFTER a $900.66 no insurance "discount" (how charitable) | Oct 09 12:30 |
| cubezzz | yikes | Oct 09 12:30 |
| cubezzz | I'm a-stayin' in Canada | Oct 09 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | plus $130 from the radiology dept in Ft Wayne | Oct 09 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | plus whatever my EEG comes out to from yesterday | Oct 09 12:30 |
| cubezzz | did they at least figure out what was wrong? | Oct 09 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | uhhm, well, tonic-clonic seizures | Oct 09 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | cause unknown | Oct 09 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | no brain tumors, no unusual brain activity on the CAT scan | Oct 09 12:31 |
| fewa | the US has a pay or die system | Oct 09 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | only thing they found was a cyst in my right sinus cavity | Oct 09 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | a small one | Oct 09 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | not a big deal | Oct 09 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Brasero and K3B both can use same back ends DaemonFC | Oct 09 12:32 |
| oiaohm | You must have Brasero configured to a different backend to K3B | Oct 09 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, I'm not paying them | Oct 09 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's illegal for them to seize my income anyway because it's Disability | Oct 09 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | so they can forgive it now or pay court and lawyer fees to sue me and forgive it later | Oct 09 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | screw them, honestly | Oct 09 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Ouch DaemonFC. Your country suxs. | Oct 09 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's illegal to refuse emergency stabilizing care | Oct 09 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | they did what they legally had to do to stabilize me and not get sued | Oct 09 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Emerency here is Emerency. Now if need something that is classed as ellective without insurance you will be waiting. | Oct 09 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe DaemonFC gets seizures from someone's voice, like Kramer | Oct 09 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I hate to say it, but if it wasn't for the free clinic in the Methodist church I might not ever know why this happened | Oct 09 12:35 |
| fewa | this is the US health care system: http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/?p=71976 | Oct 09 12:35 |
| phIRCe | Title: Video: How Alan Grayson Changed The Debate On Health Care .::. Size~: 50.35 KB | Oct 09 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | they wrote the order for the EEG, the ER doctor wouldn't | Oct 09 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | when they get the results, they can prescribe the medication I need | Oct 09 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | lots of it is on the $4 a month list at Walmart | Oct 09 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Here the ER doctor would write it but have you sign a form to cover the bill DaemonFC | Oct 09 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | I did sign a form saying I would pay it | Oct 09 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | but for reasons stated, they can't make me | Oct 09 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | they can act nasty about it, that's about it | Oct 09 12:37 |
| oiaohm | Since doing a EEG was not required to keep you alive. | Oct 09 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | I get Medicare in May 2010 and I won't have to deal with this bullshit | Oct 09 12:37 |
| oiaohm | So was no longer gree under Emerency. | Oct 09 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: til next time | Oct 09 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Oct 09 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | assholes | Oct 09 12:37 |
| fewa | oiaohm, thats why a single-payer system would radically lower costs | Oct 09 12:37 |
| oiaohm | We have very clear rules on ER. | Oct 09 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I have to survive somehow til May | Oct 09 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | then I have insurance through Medicare | Oct 09 12:38 |
| oiaohm | All that extra paper work blocks up ER effectiveness. | Oct 09 12:38 |
| fewa | because ER in the US functions in way it should not, and people who can't afford anything else wait till they are sick and have to go to ER | Oct 09 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not religious but I might just pray anyway :P | Oct 09 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Here everyone over a particular income gets hit harder to cover the ER stuff. | Oct 09 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | fewa: Then, like me, can't pay the bill | Oct 09 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | the hospital eats it | Oct 09 12:39 |
| oiaohm | So ER docs and staff only have to track you vitials and other important things not costs. | Oct 09 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | then turns around and takes it from the state anyway from tax money | Oct 09 12:39 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, the bill would be much, much smaller if there was affordable or free preventative care | Oct 09 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's severely messed up, you're right | Oct 09 12:39 |
| fewa | and if the hospitals were not incentivised to run up costs | Oct 09 12:39 |
| fewa | oiaohm, exactly | Oct 09 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | fewa: One time I got billed $500 for a "mucous reclamation system" | Oct 09 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Found ripping the ER costs up is fraud here and is jail able. | Oct 09 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | any guess what that was? | Oct 09 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | a box of tissues, which costs about $2 | Oct 09 12:40 |
| oiaohm | So cost of ER running has to be truthful. | Oct 09 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Just does not have to be sorted out into individual people. | Oct 09 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | they're bullshit artists, every last one of them | Oct 09 12:40 |
| fewa | Health care is broke in this country oiaohm , watch Michael Moore's sicko for some history | Oct 09 12:40 |
| oiaohm | So is your drug supply system. | Oct 09 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | no kidding | Oct 09 12:41 |
| oiaohm | PBS we have here works quite well. | Oct 09 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: One drug I have to take sometimes is $262 a bottle | Oct 09 12:41 |
| fewa | It is actually so big it you will see it mentioned in USD outlooks | Oct 09 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | it just became generic a few years ago, now it's $44 a bottle | Oct 09 12:41 |
| fewa | the soaring costs of sick care | Oct 09 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Particular that companies agree to PBS discount(Ie goverment paying for it) also have to agree when discount ends to allow clone products. | Oct 09 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | there's a newer version of it out that costs about $400 a bottle, the difference is you take it once a day instead of twice | Oct 09 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 09 12:42 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, what drug? | Oct 09 12:42 |
| fewa | nvm | Oct 09 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | fewa: Little too personal | Oct 09 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | was just making an example | Oct 09 12:42 |
| fewa | yeah | Oct 09 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Then even better when you go by drug after the PBS the phansicy you are buying it from legally has to tell you if there is a cheaper version of the same drug DaemonFC | Oct 09 12:42 |
| fewa | Bush defrauded the US Gov on that one | Oct 09 12:42 |
| fewa | massive corporate welfare | Oct 09 12:43 |
| oiaohm | USA system with drugs completely suxs. | Oct 09 12:43 |
| fewa | massive corporate welfare | Oct 09 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | I only take it as needed cause I can't afford to be on it all the time | Oct 09 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Mind you refusing to go on the PBS also means you drug will get a lot of screening before being able to be sold. | Oct 09 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | the doc was giving me one months worth per visit so he could rack up $55 a month in office visits | Oct 09 12:44 |
| oiaohm | So it most likely cheaper just go along with the Australian way of doign things. | Oct 09 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | I told him I'd find another doctor if he didn't give me some refills | Oct 09 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 09 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | I left the refills in the system at Walmart for a year and got my last two just before the RX expired | Oct 09 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | drug stays good for 3 years so I have about 3 months worth in my medicine cabinet | Oct 09 12:45 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, example of corporate welface | Oct 09 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | he's a shyster | Oct 09 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | but they all are | Oct 09 12:45 |
| fewa | Wal-mart can bargain for drug prices, the Gov cant | Oct 09 12:45 |
| fewa | even though Gov gives the patents in the first place | Oct 09 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Oct 09 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | the drug cartels are more worried about pissing off Walmart than the US government | Oct 09 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's sad | Oct 09 12:46 |
| fewa | The republic is weak | Oct 09 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's not really a Republic | Oct 09 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's a Corporatocracy | Oct 09 12:46 |
| fewa | And I believe public financing of elections is critical to strengthening it | Oct 09 12:46 |
| fewa | Chomsky says State-corporate system | Oct 09 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | fewa: I think any public official that takes election money from corporations or lobbyists should be charged with high treason | Oct 09 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | but that's my opinion | Oct 09 12:47 |
| fewa | its hard to get an ear if you start with such radical policies | Oct 09 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's what it is though, treason | Oct 09 12:48 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, not if that is what our government is | Oct 09 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | any senator or congressman that will backstab their millions of constituents to profit Eli Lilly or Pfizer gets $10 million land in their election fund | Oct 09 12:49 |
| fewa | I admit its fraud, but treason depends how you define the government | Oct 09 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | tell me that's not treason | Oct 09 12:49 |
| fewa | or at least defraudment | Oct 09 12:50 |
| fewa | democratic deficiet | Oct 09 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to write a nice long open letter to Dan Burton, Evan Bayh, and Barack Obama and post it on my blog | Oct 09 12:50 |
| fewa | try to focus on substance | Oct 09 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | as soon as I can write something that long without my arms aching | Oct 09 12:51 |
| fewa | eek | Oct 09 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | I know it won't help, but I'm pissed | Oct 09 12:52 |
| fewa | I'm reading a Chomsky book | Oct 09 12:52 |
| fewa | very enlightening | Oct 09 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | fewa: I drew up a rough estimate of what every American would average in higher taxes compared to effects on health and salary if the US went to a system of total federal higher education and health subsidization | Oct 09 12:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kOG-gVn4Ck&NR=1 | Oct 09 12:55 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - AUDIT THE FED! - Henry Paulson gets pwned by Dennis Kucinich .::. Size~: 134.66 KB | Oct 09 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | I estimated, conservatively, that everyone would average at least $3 back for every $1 they paid into the system | Oct 09 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | in increased taxes that is | Oct 09 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | based loosely on how the Finnish system works | Oct 09 12:56 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, Congress has made efforts to make student loan debt, even from a private corporation, non-dischargable with bankruptcy | Oct 09 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they're reducing US competitiveness | Oct 09 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | they're obeying their masters at the UN | Oct 09 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | and the WTO and WIPO | Oct 09 12:57 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, you are mistaken | Oct 09 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Oct 09 12:57 |
| fewa | the US has never listened to a word that has come out of the UN | Oct 09 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of foreign countries that want to take what we have | Oct 09 12:58 |
| fewa | the UN regularly issues rulings, after rulings that only the US and Israel vote down | Oct 09 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | and the US politicians are giving them all they want and more | Oct 09 12:58 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, your hate is misplaced | Oct 09 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | it started with funneling jobs to Mexico | Oct 09 12:59 |
| fewa | yes, the WTO, WIPO, and WB have some insincere motives | Oct 09 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | this triple damned NAFTA BS | Oct 09 12:59 |
| fewa | but it has nothing do do with the _people_ of any other nation | Oct 09 12:59 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, NAFTA was forced largely by US Corps | Oct 09 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the CEOs and Directors and big shareholders | Oct 09 13:00 |
| fewa | and out of the term "North American Free Trade Agreement" only the words "North American" are accurate | Oct 09 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | the US is becoming more like Mexico | Oct 09 13:00 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, no it is not | Oct 09 13:00 |
| fewa | well as in stratified, yes | Oct 09 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | after the stated original purpose was to make average Mexicans better off | Oct 09 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's made them just as bad off, it's tripled or quadrupled our unemployment and underemployment | Oct 09 13:00 |
| fewa | NAFTA is designed to open up markets for large companies, but keep them unequal for labor | Oct 09 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | and made the average American more like the average Mexican | Oct 09 13:01 |
| fewa | thats what alot of the border parania is all about | Oct 09 13:01 |
| fewa | they want a 2-tier system, with one material market | Oct 09 13:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's designed to hurt workers, EVERYWHERE | Oct 09 13:01 |
| DaemonFC | and benefit the few at the very very top | Oct 09 13:01 |
| fewa | yes | Oct 09 13:01 |
| DaemonFC | the average Mexican laborers got as much of a raw deal as Americans did | Oct 09 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | if not worse | Oct 09 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not mad at them at all, they need to feed themselves and their families as much as anyone here and it's not their fault | Oct 09 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | they're being exploited and they're victims too | Oct 09 13:03 |
| fewa | yes | Oct 09 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not just some angry white redneck that is going to hate on Mexicans for no reason | Oct 09 13:03 |
| fewa | public opinion has always been strongly against NAFTA | Oct 09 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | I do hate NAFTA and the interests behind it | Oct 09 13:03 |
| fewa | it they just made Mexico a 51st state it wouldn't cause the same problems | Oct 09 13:04 |
| fewa | but NAFTA was specifically designed to benifit only those at the top | Oct 09 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | we did make half of Mexico a state | Oct 09 13:04 |
| fewa | no we did not | Oct 09 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | actually, three I believe | Oct 09 13:04 |
| fewa | they do not have rights | Oct 09 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | Texas territory | Oct 09 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | Americans moved there and broke away from Mexico | Oct 09 13:04 |
| fewa | O u mean the parts that we occupid and annexed around 1850 | Oct 09 13:04 |
| fewa | thats a differn't time | Oct 09 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | the Texas Republic was a sham | Oct 09 13:05 |
| fewa | differn't issue | Oct 09 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | it would look like we bullied Mexico if we just annexed it immediately | Oct 09 13:05 |
| fewa | thats history, this today, is reality in the making | Oct 09 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | Texas is like South Ossetia | Oct 09 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | same deal | Oct 09 13:05 |
| fewa | there was alot of money made off that sort of business | Oct 09 13:06 |
| fewa | and much lost as well | Oct 09 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | it would look like Russian bullying if they took it right away so it'll be a fake Republic for 5 years or so | Oct 09 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | I try to buy things made here as much as possible | Oct 09 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's harder every year | Oct 09 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | at least in the US there's some kind of real minimum wage that isn't a complete sham | Oct 09 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | and most places pay more | Oct 09 13:08 |
| fewa | lots of history behind that | Oct 09 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | I mentioned the other day that the XO Laptop for 3rd world schoolkids was an irony | Oct 09 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | they made them, why would they want them back? | Oct 09 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's a corporate ploy to have 3rd world kids make them under slave labor wages | Oct 09 13:08 |
| fewa | its also wishful thinking | Oct 09 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | then sell them back to 3rd world governments for "educational purposes" | Oct 09 13:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muT8KKkSBaE&NR=1 | Oct 09 13:10 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - The Fed - Out of Control - End the FEDERAL RESERVE. Audit the FED .::. Size~: 147.59 KB | Oct 09 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | fewa: The XO laptop is like having Pakistani child labor make them so you can sell them back at a 500% profit to their government for "child recreational purposes" | Oct 09 13:10 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, you are missing the idea of who is selling | Oct 09 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's a thinly veiled windfall | Oct 09 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | errrr | Oct 09 13:10 |
| fewa | Brazil has been doing it quite efficiently | Oct 09 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | like having them sew Nike soccer balls | Oct 09 13:10 |
| fewa | i believe | Oct 09 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | meant to type that, didn't, oops | Oct 09 13:10 |
| fewa | well yes, would be nice to see how much of the cost comes from Patents | Oct 09 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | I've never believed in the XO Laptop project | Oct 09 13:11 |
| fewa | but there does exist a healthy market and competition in computer electronics | Oct 09 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | the funny thing is how Microsoft and Windows XP moved in on it almost right away | Oct 09 13:11 |
| fewa | and in such a market low cost computer are unlikely to make anyone money | Oct 09 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | by funny I mean tragic but expected | Oct 09 13:12 |
| fewa | they are mainly a ploy to pretend that what these kids need in computers | Oct 09 13:12 |
| fewa | which is absurd when >1billion can't afford food and water | Oct 09 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | computers are all kinds of useful but these countries have no infrastructure at all | Oct 09 13:12 |
| fewa | What use would they have for a computer other than to hawk it? | Oct 09 13:12 |
| fewa | there is no internet | Oct 09 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | they need infrastructure, not gimmicky laptops | Oct 09 13:13 |
| fewa | its really quite a joke | Oct 09 13:13 |
| fewa | and ive talked to people that have traveled to Bolivia, equador, nicaragua, etc | Oct 09 13:13 |
| fewa | laptops are a gimmick to make geeks feel good and have a warped image of the needs of 3rd world peoples | Oct 09 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the Republicans have become so corrupt that my parents have never voted Democratic before but started in 2004, after realizing how bad Bush and Co was | Oct 09 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | but the cold truth is that the Democrats are just less bad | Oct 09 13:14 |
| fewa | the lobbiest are now giving more to democrats | Oct 09 13:14 |
| fewa | even defense contractors, 60:40 Dems | Oct 09 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, at least Obama doesn't seem to be rattling the saber as much | Oct 09 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, a lot of Dems tried to save the F-22 frivolous spending that even the DoD didn't want | Oct 09 13:15 |
| oiaohm | The laptop idea is valid DaemonFC | Oct 09 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | that tells you how much they're bribed | Oct 09 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Computer can store a large number of books required to build infrastructure | Oct 09 13:16 |
| fewa | yes, laptop idea was not a scam | Oct 09 13:16 |
| fewa | but still wishful thinking | Oct 09 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | how it was executed was the scam | Oct 09 13:16 |
| oiaohm | No point making infrastructure if there is no one that knows how to care for it. | Oct 09 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Its like out back australia | Oct 09 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Lot of infrastructure has been built out there that failed. | Oct 09 13:17 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, the main gaff was the Microsoft corruption of the XO | Oct 09 13:17 |
| oiaohm | due to the simple reason parts and no one out there knew how to care for them. | Oct 09 13:17 |
| fewa | but that didn't kill low cost devices, which are doing well without any need for charity | Oct 09 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | well, my mom asked me where we could get $3 trillion for infrastructure upgrades to take us from D- to A- and for social healthcare | Oct 09 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | I replied "Iraq cost us over $4 trillion and rising" | Oct 09 13:18 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, for social healthcare it wont cost anything | Oct 09 13:18 |
| fewa | administrative costs alone could pay for a single-payer health care system | Oct 09 13:18 |
| fewa | it would lower taxes | Oct 09 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, no they wouldn't | Oct 09 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | they'd get us part of the way | Oct 09 13:18 |
| fewa | or raise the war spending.... | Oct 09 13:18 |
| fewa | but anyways it would save government money, and largely at the local level | Oct 09 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | in the end there would be higher taxes in some way but it's not that high compared to what the Republicans claim | Oct 09 13:19 |
| fewa | when it comes from for hospitals, etc | Oct 09 13:19 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, nope | Oct 09 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | there's no way to get it to pay for itself | Oct 09 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | there just simply isn't | Oct 09 13:20 |
| fewa | there will be a tax | Oct 09 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | the money would need to be diverted from something or taxes would be raised | Oct 09 13:20 |
| fewa | but with that tax suddenly people will be paid more | Oct 09 13:20 |
| fewa | health insurance wont come from their paycheck | Oct 09 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | but it's less catastrophic than continuing like we are | Oct 09 13:20 |
| fewa | nor will co-pays deductibles | Oct 09 13:20 |
| fewa | optical, dental | Oct 09 13:20 |
| fewa | preventative care | Oct 09 13:20 |
| fewa | long term care | Oct 09 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | well, I've seen some neat insurance company tricks when I did have insurance | Oct 09 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | one place I worked for went through CIGNA and CIGNA has this thing where you can call an 800 number and speak to a nurse | Oct 09 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | nice way to get around HIPPA privacy laws and get you to tell them all your pre-existing conditions | Oct 09 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 09 13:21 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZbAwrycIc0 | Oct 09 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWWBwf2wHE | Oct 09 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the end | Oct 09 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Very funny | Oct 09 13:22 |
| schestowitz | To Clinton: do you prefer diamonds or pearls | Oct 09 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Clinton: I'd have both | Oct 09 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | brb, neck is aching, need icy hot on it | Oct 09 13:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] For all those that have Google Wave and wants a new friend to chat with, please DM me with your Google Wave email. Please RT | Oct 09 13:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Testing Twitbot | Oct 09 13:53 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I don't like Hillary Clinton | Oct 09 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | most people don't, that's why the Republicans tried to vote in the Democratic primary and stuff the ballot box in her favor | Oct 09 14:08 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, do you vote for the person or the party? | Oct 09 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | if there was a Republican worth voting for, I'd vote for them | Oct 09 14:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and Novell Throw “IP” #FUD at #RedHat , #Novell Spins Figures http://ping.fm/uG9we | Oct 09 14:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | there just hasn't been one since I've been able to vote | Oct 09 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | (2002 election) | Oct 09 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | my vote for John Kerry wasn't because I liked him or the Democrats, it was because he was the only candidate that could have won vs Bush | Oct 09 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'd take any warm body in a suit over Bush at that point | Oct 09 14:12 |
| fewa | http://www.blanketprimary.org/photos/primary-cartoon-small.gif | Oct 09 14:13 |
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| DaemonFC | I'll crap my pants if the Republicans manage any kind of semi-credible candidate in 2012 | Oct 09 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | as a whole, I don't like Republicans | Oct 09 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | I voted for the Libertarian senatorial candidate in 2006 cause there wasn't a Democrat challenging Dick Lugar | Oct 09 14:14 |
| fewa | The Republican AND Democratic party sued the ENTIRE state of washington to destroy a primary system in use since 1935, which had been voted in by popular referendum | Oct 09 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | in American politics pretty much anything other than a vote for a Republican or Democrat is a protest vote | Oct 09 14:15 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, not really, look at the primary systems of some states | Oct 09 14:15 |
| fewa | new york for example | Oct 09 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's some third parties in local/county politics in places | Oct 09 14:15 |
| fewa | "fusion voting" | Oct 09 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | maybe a few that hold state offices | Oct 09 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | only one governor in decades that wasn't a Republican or Democrat | Oct 09 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | that was one term Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura | Oct 09 14:16 |
| fewa | I don't you think what that means | Oct 09 14:16 |
| fewa | there is alot of propaganda about what those term mean | Oct 09 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | and everything he vetoed was overridden | Oct 09 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | well, most of it anyway | Oct 09 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | so he was ineffective since the Republicans and Democrats in the state house/senate ganged up on him | Oct 09 14:17 |
| fewa | which had been voted in by popular referendum | Oct 09 14:17 |
| fewa | TWICE | Oct 09 14:17 |
| fewa | once in 1935, again in 2004 | Oct 09 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Oct 09 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans and Democrats are the machine | Oct 09 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | they watch out for each other | Oct 09 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | protect each other | Oct 09 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | cause they're the two cogs in the two cog system | Oct 09 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | the Democrats may be slightly less corrupt but they're still very corrupt | Oct 09 14:19 |
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| DaemonFC | minor parties lack broad appeal for a number of reasons | Oct 09 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | one big one is that they only tend to have a partial platform | Oct 09 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | the other reason is that the platform they have is often integrated into Republican and Democrat campaigns | Oct 09 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | the follow through is usually not there, but the rhetoric works every time | Oct 09 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's like that in most countries though | Oct 09 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | Canada got Stephen Harper, Australia got John Howard | Oct 09 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | they still pointed at the "broken American system" though because ours is very slightly more broken | Oct 09 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | in some ways, ours is better | Oct 09 14:22 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, you are only pointing to the anglo-saxon world | Oct 09 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | if the President is really about to be impeached, he can't shut down Congress | Oct 09 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | Stephen Harper shut down Parliament to avoid a no confidence vote and removal from office | Oct 09 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | why have a no confidence procedure if the elected Parliament can be suspended by the person in question? | Oct 09 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's retarded | Oct 09 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | if a president were to do some really bad shit, even his own party would want nothing to do with him | Oct 09 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's what almost happened to Nixon and why he resigned | Oct 09 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | it also almost happened to his first VP, Spiro Agnew, who took bribes | Oct 09 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | which resigned before Nixon | Oct 09 14:25 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: voting systems don't give minor parties a fair chance here DaemonFC | Oct 09 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | That's how the US ended up with the only unelected president ever, btw | Oct 09 14:25 |
| oiaohm | For a minor party to get in they normally have to get over 50 percent of the vote in there own right. | Oct 09 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | Gerald Ford was appointed to be vice president after Agnew resigned, Ford was a congressman | Oct 09 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Major party normally only needs round 40 percent in there own right DaemonFC | Oct 09 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | after Nixon resigned, Ford became president | Oct 09 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Due to vote deals DaemonFC | Oct 09 14:26 |
| fewa | oiaohm, instant run-off voting is still much better | Oct 09 14:26 |
| fewa | but your system has problems | Oct 09 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Don't you have runoff elections to deal with this? | Oct 09 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | I should think someone should need a clear majority | Oct 09 14:27 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, you need to look up instant run off | Oct 09 14:27 |
| fewa | and do research | Oct 09 14:27 |
| fewa | before charading on IRC | Oct 09 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | I know our system doesn't work like that cause Clinton and George W Bush didn't have majority | Oct 09 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | some others didn't either | Oct 09 14:28 |
| fewa | first-past-the-post | Oct 09 14:28 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, you are expressing little understanding of voting | Oct 09 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | I know how the electoral college works | Oct 09 14:28 |
| fewa | i really dont feel like listing when you can just go to wikipedia | Oct 09 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in favor of removing it | Oct 09 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Ours is perfernical voting Ok spelt wrong. | Oct 09 14:29 |
| fewa | san francisco instituted instant run-off voting | Oct 09 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | electoral college disenfranchises voters and gives too much weight to others | Oct 09 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Where as the lower party in votes is removed and there votes transfer to the next until there is only 2 left. | Oct 09 14:29 |
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| oiaohm | Then winner is choson. | Oct 09 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Really hard against minor parties. | Oct 09 14:30 |
| oiaohm | We have no electoral colleges. | Oct 09 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | fewa: I'm in favor of the National Popular Vote Compact | Oct 09 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | or amending the constitution to remove the electoral college | Oct 09 14:30 |
| fewa | has Indiana passed it? | Oct 09 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | in consideration | Oct 09 14:30 |
| fewa | much eaier to pass compact | Oct 09 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | yes it is easier | Oct 09 14:30 |
| fewa | as amendment would take 3/4 of states anyways | Oct 09 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | much easier | Oct 09 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | the compact would take less states than the amendment and the feds have no say in it either | Oct 09 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | and I like that | Oct 09 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | well, if we got all the states with the most electoral votes, I think the compact could overthrow the electoral college system with only 11 states participating | Oct 09 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | an amendment to the US constitution would take 38 states | Oct 09 14:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Samsung Brings #Microsoft ’s ‘Linux Tax’ to #Android As Well http://ping.fm/qGwYU | Oct 09 14:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | so the compact would almost certainly be more plausible | Oct 09 14:35 |
| fewa | passed "both houses of the California legislature before being vetoed by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger" | Oct 09 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Oct 09 14:40 |
| fewa | twice | Oct 09 14:40 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact | Oct 09 14:40 |
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| fewa | 2006 and 2008 | Oct 09 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | Arnold Weisenheimer | Oct 09 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 09 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana is moving ahead in some ways | Oct 09 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | we're putting in a lot more wind turbines | Oct 09 14:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Nazis on the Moon jokes http://www.wreckamovie.com/tasks/show/299 | Oct 09 14:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | I liked what that Democratic senator said the other day, can't remember his name though | Oct 09 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | "Repulican Healthcare Plan: Don't get sick.....And if you do, PLEASE DIE QUICKLY! | Oct 09 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco | Oct 09 14:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Microsoft Lobby and Heavy Investments Put #IBM in #Antitrust Probe http://ping.fm/cY5po [ta @glynmoody ] | Oct 09 14:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Hitler has only got one moon/Russkies were here but left too soon/Armstrong did not stay too long/and so the Yankees have no moon at all | Oct 09 14:58 | |
| DaemonFC | the open source driver for the Radeon HD still looks kind of lulzy and slow | Oct 09 15:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Progress is Progress | Oct 09 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | on Windows, the 4670 is over three times faster than Geforce 9500 GT | Oct 09 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | on Linux, the same card is half the speed of the Geforce | Oct 09 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | crappy driver | Oct 09 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Thinking ati drivers 2 years ago were a lot slower again. | Oct 09 15:19 |
| oiaohm | It still progress | Oct 09 15:20 |
| trmanco | http://video.linuxfoundation.org/categories/2009-linux-plumbers-conference | Oct 09 15:27 |
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| oiaohm | I have not see the ATI driver tried with the trunk gcc yet DaemonFC | Oct 09 15:29 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | Oct 09 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | I don't particularly like GCC, it just happens to be what Linux has unless you have access to ICC or another compiler | Oct 09 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | I've used ICC to compile some things, including kernels | Oct 09 15:34 |
| oiaohm | trunk gcc has link time optimisation. | Oct 09 15:35 |
| oiaohm | So how can you say magic disappearing bloat. | Oct 09 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | GCC has spit out some less than ideal binaries on me | Oct 09 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | ICC works well | Oct 09 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, if you use Intel processors anyway | Oct 09 15:37 |
| oiaohm | ICC has had LTO. | Oct 09 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | I've never tried it on AMD stuff | Oct 09 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | anything that's performance critical that I'm building myself anyway usually gets built with ICC if I can | Oct 09 15:38 |
| oiaohm | The game will close up a lot with the next gcc DaemonFC | Oct 09 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | unless I'm feeling lazy | Oct 09 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Gcc has had a lot of good optimisers | Oct 09 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Just completely crippled by the linking process. | Oct 09 15:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Nvidia is getting out of the chipset business | Oct 09 15:40 |
| oiaohm | By the way have to thank a few intel developers for working on the LTO. | Oct 09 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | that's good news | Oct 09 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | I wish them to burn in hell | Oct 09 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Maybe Nvidia will focus more on ARM. | Oct 09 15:41 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ogg for a change :-) | Oct 09 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.trustedreviews.com/software/news/2009/10/09/Microsoft-Plans-128bit-Windows-8---Cancels-Works/p1 | Oct 09 15:42 |
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| DaemonFC | 128-bit? | Oct 09 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | there is no 128-bit x86 in the works, is there? | Oct 09 15:42 |
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| DaemonFC | I suppose it would be possible, but why would they bother at this point? | Oct 09 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Also DaemonFC 4.5.0 gcc that adds LTO also adds means to plug in extra features without rebuilding. So will be a more flexable complier than ICC. | Oct 09 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | I call bullshit on that whole article | Oct 09 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | there won't be a 128-bit version of Windows 8, at least not for consumers | Oct 09 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | no way | Oct 09 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | maybe some niche version for big iron hardware | Oct 09 15:45 |
| oiaohm | There is no real need even on big iron. | Oct 09 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | like the Itanium version of XP | Oct 09 15:45 |
| oiaohm | The address space issue is basically handled by NUMA. | Oct 09 15:45 |
| oiaohm | NUMA is really the saner solution for very big iron. | Oct 09 15:45 |
| MinceR | winblows has no place in big iron | Oct 09 15:46 |
| MinceR | s/in/on/ | Oct 09 15:46 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing. | Oct 09 15:46 |
| oiaohm | If there was going to be a 128 bit chip you would have expected to see work on Linux about it. | Oct 09 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what all the fuss is over XP Mode | Oct 09 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | I never even bothered to install it | Oct 09 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | compatibility shims still work for even the oldest of my software most of the time | Oct 09 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | those old LucasArts games with 16-bit installers are the devil though | Oct 09 15:47 |
| MinceR | it's the only thing that works in vista7? :> | Oct 09 15:47 |
| MinceR | note that not everybody wants to only run _your_ software _most_ of the time. | Oct 09 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say 95% of your XP and Vista apps will just work | Oct 09 15:48 |
| MinceR | some people want to run _their_ software _all_ of the time. | Oct 09 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | 4% may need you to manually select a shim | Oct 09 15:48 |
| MinceR | there's a significant difference there. | Oct 09 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | 1% won't work at all | Oct 09 15:48 |
| MinceR | (not that winblows will run anything all of the time, eventually it just dies anyway) | Oct 09 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | there's even some 9x/XP stuff that didn't work for me in Vista that is working again | Oct 09 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | if anything, it's time to forget XP no matter where you want to end up | Oct 09 15:49 |
| oiaohm | I have already see my first windows 7 magical disappearing registry hives. | Oct 09 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | haven't ran into that | Oct 09 15:50 |
| oiaohm | User pulled power out while it was still shutting down. | Oct 09 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | as long as you either turn UAC off first thing or just leave it on, you'll be fine | Oct 09 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Must have been just the wrong time. | Oct 09 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | leaving it on for a while then shutting it down could cause trouble | Oct 09 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Losing power can cause it. | Oct 09 15:51 |
| oiaohm | its stupid. | Oct 09 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | I've had a couple apps lose all their settings cause of registry virtualization | Oct 09 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | *sigh* | Oct 09 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | losing power shouldn't | Oct 09 15:51 |
| oiaohm | One day MS will fix up there NTFS driver. | Oct 09 15:52 |
| MinceR | "if anything, it's time to forget windows no matter where you want to end up" | Oct 09 15:52 |
| MinceR | there, fixed that for you. | Oct 09 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | there's self healing NTFS and the registry is a binary database anyway | Oct 09 15:52 |
| oiaohm | If MFT table is half written. | Oct 09 15:52 |
| MinceR | lol, self healing ntfs | Oct 09 15:52 |
| oiaohm | It dies. | Oct 09 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | if anything, your Linux apps will lose settings due to power outage first | Oct 09 15:52 |
| MinceR | mine won't | Oct 09 15:52 |
| MinceR | i'm not using ext4. | Oct 09 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It locks out the part it's fixing | Oct 09 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | fixes it, then enables access again | Oct 09 15:52 |
| MinceR | oh wow | Oct 09 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's automatic, the user shouldn't even ever need to know | Oct 09 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Yes and if that happens to be the main regestry it need to load so it can run the fix DaemonFC | Oct 09 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | no more chkdsk basically | Oct 09 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Yep you are kinda nailed. | Oct 09 15:53 |
| MinceR | they've discovered locking? what's next, allowing directory entries of files in use to be deleted? :> | Oct 09 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's still there but there's no point running it in most cases | Oct 09 15:53 |
| oiaohm | the ntfs driver is not self standing. | Oct 09 15:53 |
| oiaohm | The loader cannot see past the ntfs errors DaemonFC | Oct 09 15:54 |
| oiaohm | So windows dies. | Oct 09 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | well, it beats the hell out of how XP handles disk errors | Oct 09 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | it handles them like Linux | Oct 09 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | locks you out of the system and runs chkdsk for a while | Oct 09 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | go sing a song | Oct 09 15:54 |
| oiaohm | grub2 is far better at handling damaged ext3 and ext4 than nt loader. | Oct 09 15:54 |
| oiaohm | is at handling damaged ntfs. | Oct 09 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Linux multiable files also does reduce the risk a lot. | Oct 09 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | GRUB2 is overall a tremendous improvement over GRUB but it still can be temperamental | Oct 09 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | even with some disk controllers and BIOSes that GRUB Legacy works with | Oct 09 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Very little writing to the main config files while in operations. | Oct 09 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | still needs work | Oct 09 15:56 |
| oiaohm | I was trying to give NT loader a sporting chance. | Oct 09 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | I just use both | Oct 09 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 09 15:56 |
| oiaohm | GRUB Legacy was know for its tank nature on damaged ext2 | Oct 09 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | hard drives are too big to worry about dual booting these days | Oct 09 15:56 |
| oiaohm | It would check everywhere in ext2 for information to find the file before calling it quits. | Oct 09 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | besides, the Linux partition doesn't need a lot of space | Oct 09 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | NTFS-3G lets me store most everything on my Windows volume | Oct 09 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Depends what you are putting in it DaemonFC | Oct 09 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Flight gear eats a lot. | Oct 09 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Wine can even run apps off my Windows Program Files folder | Oct 09 15:58 |
| MinceR | that's great, lets you rely on fantastic ntfs :> | Oct 09 15:58 |
| oiaohm | NTFS-3G check disk is quite good. | Oct 09 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Wine from NTFS is not recommended DaemonFC | Oct 09 15:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Freedom of expression met by freedom of suppression and #Gartner carries on setting the agenda http://ping.fm/mRod6 | Oct 09 15:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Obama attacks moon while receiving Peace Prize http://notnews.today.com/?p=686 | Oct 09 15:58 | |
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| oiaohm | It can cause some other nasty issues if you are not careful DaemonFC | Oct 09 15:59 |
| MinceR | he doesn't care | Oct 09 15:59 |
| oiaohm | I don't want to hear you recommending it DaemonFC simple reason I have to hear the people crying in winehq about there broken windows install because of it. | Oct 09 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had it happen | Oct 09 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | of course that doesn't mean someone hasn't broken their system out of incompetence, so I digress | Oct 09 16:07 |
| oiaohm | The cause is wrong permissions writen. | Oct 09 16:09 |
| oiaohm | To key files DaemonFC | Oct 09 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Just pick the wrong program run it with wine accessing ntfs drive with windows on cry. | Oct 09 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Basically loto DaemonFC | Oct 09 16:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] I have added another quote on why the UPLS will validate software patents in Europe via central caselaw: http://i5.be/Nn | Oct 09 16:11 | |
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| oiaohm | NTFS-3G is fairly good but it still has one or two major gotches. | Oct 09 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Next is that writes posix format files to NTFS since NTFS supports storing them. Some programs expect there filenames and config files to be in MS format of storage. | Oct 09 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Now data files backwards and forwards that you might have to recopy under windows so it works is not a major oboy I am in hell problem. | Oct 09 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Basically NTFS-3G is not magical it has the bad limits wine will play right into. | Oct 09 16:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bravo, @LinuxFoundation , for Using #Ogg #Theora http://ping.fm/hTD8p #playogg | Oct 09 16:18 | |
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| oiaohm | I would say so far you have been lucky DaemonFC not to hit either. | Oct 09 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | why would I need luck? I'm good :) | Oct 09 16:19 |
| oiaohm | It is luck. | Oct 09 16:21 |
| oiaohm | Few applications update change them from being friendly to toxic on ntfs-3g. | Oct 09 16:21 |
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| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/13-security-updates-on-the-forthcoming-Microsoft-Patch-Tuesday--/news/114431 | Oct 09 16:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Left Hijackable Again (Almost a Monthly Recurrence) http://ping.fm/1YNNz | Oct 09 16:45 | |
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| trmanco | http://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/negocios/ecossistema_microsoft_gera_receitas_de_1_6_mi_1022619.html | Oct 09 16:49 |
| phIRCe | Title: TeK > NotÃcias > Negócios > Ecossistema Microsoft gera receitas de 1,6 mil milhões de euros em Portugal .::. Size~: 40.62 KB | Oct 09 16:49 |
| trmanco | portugal gives away 1.6 billion to microsoft | Oct 09 16:49 |
| trmanco | which 526 million euros of those 1.6 billion goes into portugal's economy to pay for (politic expenses) :-P | Oct 09 16:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] go follow @maxcelcat, he's whoring for twitter followers | Oct 09 17:08 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: any decent translation? | Oct 09 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Or anything obviously abnormal there? | Oct 09 17:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EuropeanCommission Still Protects #Microsoft #Lobbyists http://ping.fm/xa01X | Oct 09 17:10 | |
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| trmanco | try google | Oct 09 17:23 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Oct 09 17:25 |
| Omar87 | I'm wodering if there's an open source system I could use as a replacement for the current proprietary one on my Thomson router. | Oct 09 17:26 |
| trmanco | I don't think there is any | Oct 09 17:28 |
| trmanco | http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database | Oct 09 17:29 |
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| trmanco | http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/Hardware%282f%29Thomson.html | Oct 09 17:30 |
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| Omar87 | trmanco, yes thanks. I think is the one my friend told me about a long while ago. | Oct 09 17:30 |
| Omar87 | trmanco, I tried to search for Thomson in their database, but I couldn' | Oct 09 17:35 |
| trmanco | see openwrt | Oct 09 17:35 |
| Omar87 | couldn't find it. | Oct 09 17:35 |
| Omar87 | It seems like it's not supported. | Oct 09 17:35 |
| trmanco | they have some thomson entries | Oct 09 17:35 |
| trmanco | ah | Oct 09 17:36 |
| Omar87 | dd-wrt has some thomson entries? | Oct 09 17:39 |
| trmanco | http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.31 | Oct 09 17:39 |
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| trmanco | I said openwrt | Oct 09 17:39 |
| trmanco | I gave you the direct link | Oct 09 17:40 |
| Omar87 | Yeah, I saw it. | Oct 09 17:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Adds Product Delays and #Vaporware http://ping.fm/lyxe3 | Oct 09 17:43 | |
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| trmanco | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/acawiki | Oct 09 17:50 |
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| zoobab | hi | Oct 09 17:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] NSW Police: Don't use Windows for internet banking: http://is.gd/47zEu | Oct 09 17:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Australian Police: Don't use Windows for internet banking - http://bit.ly/menPl wow, it's finally being said #security #windows #linux | Oct 09 17:52 | |
| Omar87 | trmanco, oh crud. The Thomson brand I have is not supported. :-( | Oct 09 17:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] NSW Police: Don't use Windows for internet banking http://post.ly/7sf7 | Oct 09 17:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Quem tem Google Wave? Eu preciso de amigos, senao não dá pica.... (quem tiver envie me DM com email) || alguem que faça RT disto sff | Oct 09 18:03 | |
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| Omar87 | zoobab, hey. | Oct 09 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Hey, zoobab | Oct 09 18:21 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/Cisco-routers-can-do-more-than-just-route--/news/114437 | Oct 09 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Free labour and PR | Oct 09 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Cheap for Cisco | Oct 09 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Useless INNOVA~1: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8298934.stm | Oct 09 18:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Anybody want to make a Tsunami with Wave? | Oct 09 18:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] 11% of the 8000 daily unique IPs hitting a website I maintain have the FunWebProducts spyware. No, you DO NOT need that kitty screensaver! | Oct 09 18:36 | |
| Omar87 | So, how risky could it be if I just go ahead and try to install dd-wrt on my Thomson, even though I'm not sure if would work? | Oct 09 18:38 |
| Omar87 | it* | Oct 09 18:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Patents Deactivation, #LisbonTreaty in Midst of Scandal, #Eolas Shows Why #SoftwarePatents Are Bad http://ping.fm/nP7Md | Oct 09 18:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @picturecool Reinventing kid's playgrounds #photo http://bit.ly/10Bgic | Oct 09 19:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Windows 7 Party Pack on eBay (minus Win7), with reasons people didn't show http://is.gd/483VD | Oct 09 19:32 | |
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| yuhong | I want to mention my suggestion of comparing Windows and Linux security vulnerabilities again as something that BN can do. | Oct 09 19:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] O Café expresso faz milagres :D Viva ao Delta cafés :D | Oct 09 19:43 | |
| yuhong | Viruses are always the writer's fault, but if they exploit any vulnerabilities, that is the vendor's fault, which is why I suggest this. | Oct 09 19:44 |
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| trmanco | facebook is unaccessible | Oct 09 19:52 |
| MinceR | is that a bad thing? :> | Oct 09 19:53 |
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| trmanco | it might | Oct 09 19:56 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Just finished upgrading his #laptop to #Ubuntu 9.10 beta, and purging all these lumps of #Microsoft #Mono junk out of it. | Oct 09 20:16 | |
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| Omar87 | See guys, what just happened between me and a friend of mine just about a half hour ago explains exactly why I just hate arrogance to the core. | Oct 09 20:21 |
| Omar87 | Maybe he's not really arrogant, or at least he doesn't mean to be arrogant, but he is, even though he doesn't feel it. And it's not only him. | Oct 09 20:21 |
| Omar87 | Maybe he's not really arrogant, or at least he doesn't mean to be arrogant, but he is, even though he doesn't feel it. And it's not only him. | Oct 09 20:22 |
| Omar87 | n fact, 99.99% of those who claim to be "very excellent" at what they do, suffer this sickening sort of arrogance that they start thinking that nobody else can reach their level no matter what they do. | Oct 09 20:23 |
| Omar87 | in* fact | Oct 09 20:23 |
| Omar87 | Which is actually, despite being stupid and pointless, it's also very stomach-turning as well as poisonously disgusting!! | Oct 09 20:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] MJ Hibbett & the Validators: My Boss Was In An Indie Band Once http://is.gd/48loX | Oct 09 20:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dealing appropriately with the evil old bats next door: pt 1 http://is.gd/48nqv pt 2 http://is.gd/48nuD | Oct 09 20:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The perils of paid blogging http://is.gd/48qkv | Oct 09 20:44 | |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz, have you seen: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/157767,nsw-police-dont-use-windows-for-internet-banking.aspx | Oct 09 21:00 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Oct 09 21:05 |
| *schestowitz listens to http://www.twit.tv/floss90 | Oct 09 21:16 | |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: I'd missed it, ta | Oct 09 21:18 |
| amarsh04 | no problem, a person in another channel on another irc network posted the url | Oct 09 21:21 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: did you do that podcast? | Oct 09 21:22 |
| trmanco | I mean, you had a scheduled podcast or something like that for when? | Oct 09 21:23 |
| Omar87 | Anyone knows at what date will Vista 7 be released? | Oct 09 21:23 |
| popey | 22nd oct | Oct 09 21:24 |
| popey | first hit on google for "windows 7 release date" | Oct 09 21:24 |
| popey | and the second hit | Oct 09 21:24 |
| popey | and the next 5 | Oct 09 21:24 |
| Omar87 | 'coz I can't wait to see the lies unfolding at last. :-) | Oct 09 21:25 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: on Wednesday\ | Oct 09 21:29 |
| trmanco | ok | Oct 09 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: they won't unfold so fold | Oct 09 21:29 |
| schestowitz | It's like Vista's launch | Oct 09 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Give some weeks for the Hype Budget to run out | Oct 09 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I am /actually/ a lot more interested in the financial results Microsoft tries to hide | Oct 09 21:30 |
| schestowitz | The VIsta7 launch and the results are HOURS apart, by design | Oct 09 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also changed how it reports its numbers | Oct 09 21:31 |
| schestowitz | That was weeks ago | Oct 09 21:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558097/mckinnon-denied-appeal-supreme-court | Oct 09 21:31 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: why does phIRCe hibernate at night? | Oct 09 21:31 |
| trmanco | because I also do | Oct 09 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Another canceled Microsoft plan: Microsoft will not develop an e-reader < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558045/microsoft-develop-reader > | Oct 09 21:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: does it need babysitting? | Oct 09 21:32 |
| trmanco | no | Oct 09 21:32 |
| schestowitz | There is no point competing against Linux+eink in ebooks | Oct 09 21:32 |
| trmanco | I just usually turn off my machine | Oct 09 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Linux is de facto platform for ereaders | Oct 09 21:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: your nick stays online | Oct 09 21:33 |
| trmanco | yes because I'm behind a bouncer | Oct 09 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's run for separate machines | Oct 09 21:33 |
| trmanco | it is | Oct 09 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Are you applying for php jobs? | Oct 09 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Great news.../: | Oct 09 21:34 |
| trmanco | me? in this crappy country... I wish | Oct 09 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft scraps Works < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558038/microsoft-scraps-works > | Oct 09 21:34 |
| trmanco | it's all about actionscript and c# | Oct 09 21:34 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: you can work for am client elsehwere | Oct 09 21:35 |
| trmanco | at least 80% of the jobs | Oct 09 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Although countries like India nab those jobs these dayd | Oct 09 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I did some programming jobs for people verseas | Oct 09 21:35 |
| trmanco | I tried freelancing but had no luck | Oct 09 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine quit activism | Oct 09 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to him some hours ago | Oct 09 21:36 |
| schestowitz | He was at it for like 10 years here at Manc | Oct 09 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Royal Mail strike threatens Christmas < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558100/royal-mail-strike-threatens-christmas > Well, at least we have E-mail :-) | Oct 09 21:40 |
| schestowitz | 1,000 Cybersecurity Experts http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/1000_cybersecur.html | Oct 09 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/09/hitwise-facebooks-social-market-share-up-194-percent | Oct 09 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | Another Linux-based e-reader: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/09/android-may-power-new-barnes-noble-e-reader | Oct 09 21:43 |
| phIRCe | Title: Android May Power New Barnes & Noble E-Reader | WebProNews .::. Size~: 30.55 KB | Oct 09 21:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] YouTube Serves a Billion Views Per Day Now..... I've viewed about 25,000 all in all | Oct 09 21:46 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/176-linus-torvalds/100760-wtf | Oct 09 21:48 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/09/amazon_cloud_bitbucket_ddos_aftermath/ | Oct 09 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/09/ralph_lauren_pelvis_apology/ | Oct 09 21:54 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NSW Australia police expressly advise using Linux, not Windows, for online banking http://is.gd/48NY8 | Oct 09 22:03 | |
| schestowitz | BN cited by ZDNet.: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4983 | Oct 09 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Poll on de Icaza | Oct 09 22:10 |
| schestowitz | No comments here: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28373/1090/ | Oct 09 22:16 |
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| susmith_ | about memory virtualization | Oct 09 22:29 |
| schestowitz | !google memory virtualization | Oct 09 22:30 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Memory virtualization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_virtualization | Oct 09 22:30 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Memory Virtualization, the Third Wave of Virtualization : VMblog ... | http://vmblog.com/archive/2008/12/14/memory-virtualization-the-third-wave-of-virtualization.aspx | Oct 09 22:30 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Understanding CPU and Memory Virtualization | http://pubs.vmware.com/vi3/resmgmt/vc_basic_mgmt.4.15.html | Oct 09 22:30 |
| phIRCe | [4] - 2 Memory Virtualization | http://www.usenix.org/event/osdi02/tech/waldspurger/waldspurger_html/node3.html | Oct 09 22:30 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091007/1433216453.shtml | Oct 09 22:31 |
| phIRCe | Title: Still Debating The Cost Of Ebooks | Techdirt .::. Size~: 71.88 KB | Oct 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091007/1339126451.shtml | Oct 09 22:32 |
| phIRCe | Title: More People Realizing That The News Finds Them... Not The Other Way Around | Techdirt .::. Size~: 40.37 KB | Oct 09 22:32 |
| susmith_ | as part of hypervisor development, i am thinking about the shadow page tables and other concept. Main thing is that i am not understanding how to start with the logic of Gust table and shadow table. any douments to refer the basic concept for getting how to trap the system calls etc..in detail | Oct 09 22:32 |
| susmith_ | phIRCe: yea true. if the existing news is not enough, what can we do. ask somebody who developed something good. | Oct 09 22:36 |
| trmanco | susmith_: it's a bot | Oct 09 22:37 |
| susmith_ | ok | Oct 09 22:39 |
| susmith_ | any idea about the Virtual machine monitor development? | Oct 09 22:40 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize http://ur1.ca/da64 #politics | Oct 09 22:56 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm.. Hess gives publicity to the ripoff of Samba.. http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3842896/Active-Directory-and-the-Heterogeneous-Data-Center.htm | Oct 09 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Obama prize for peace? What has he done for peace so far? Well, I guess a lot more than his predecessors. | Oct 09 23:11 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 09 23:11 |
| MinceR | i hereby nominate this rock for nobel prize of peace for doing a lot more than obama's predecessors for peace! | Oct 09 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=27374 | Oct 09 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: he bombs Afghans | Oct 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | It's also too far. He was only inaugurated virtually yesterday. And Nobel Laureates are supposed to be in thier 70s resting on their laurels | Oct 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Obama does stand-up comedy while whistling the tunes of lobbyists and Big Business | Oct 09 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Even Sony PCs will boot Linux now ! http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/27782/sony-vaio-cw-laptop-photos | Oct 09 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Vaio has been very Linux hostile.... now it boots it on board | Oct 09 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Bad, bad, bad...... for VIsta 7 | Oct 09 23:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | [06:11:11] <schestowitz> Obama prize for peace? What has he done for peace so far? Well, I guess a lot more than his predecessors. | Oct 09 23:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: see, this is where people go wrong | Oct 09 23:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | his career didnt start when he became president | Oct 09 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I know, but what did he do beforehand for peace? | Oct 09 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hulu is sleeping with Linux now..... http://lifehacker.com/5377876/hulu-desktop-brings-remote+controlled-streaming-to-linux | Oct 09 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139181/Hackers_exploit_this_year_s_fourth_PDF_zero_day?taxonomyId=1 | Oct 09 23:35 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: by simply being elected, he improved our relations with our countries several fold | Oct 09 23:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of people don't recognize what neocons are doing | Oct 09 23:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're saying obama has lost and making up lots of bullshit just to get a little more millage out of their 15 minutes | Oct 09 23:38 |
| schestowitz | wb, Senor _Hicham_ | Oct 09 23:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | the neocons have failed to destroy the world | Oct 09 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: true | Oct 09 23:38 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_ likes Obama | Oct 09 23:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | obama being elected by itself has improved our relations because a lot of world leaders hated bush | Oct 09 23:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | now I think he got it a little early | Oct 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: that's foreign policy | Oct 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | No doubt it has improved, but... | Oct 09 23:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you do realize what the nobel peace prize is for, right? | Oct 09 23:39 |
| schestowitz | It seems as though domestically it's similar | Oct 09 23:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | its for people who improve the world. | Oct 09 23:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | obama has, and will continue, to do so | Oct 09 23:40 |
| schestowitz | See who he appointed re IP (matter to IT) and what happens in banking and healthcare | Oct 09 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather see Kucinich or even Paul in charge | Oct 09 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They would -- if they can build a coalition -- clean up the White House | Oct 09 23:41 |
| *ender2070 (n=brandon@bas3-toronto63-1096719837.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | Oct 09 23:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] @trmanco: "@trmanco: ":>"" ♫ http://blip.fm/~el82g | Oct 09 23:42 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 09 23:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm should see this: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/Review/157853,kogans-agora-netbook-lacks-real-innovation---but-at-least-theres-linux.aspx | Oct 09 23:44 |
| phIRCe | Title: Kogan's Agora netbook lacks real innovation - but at least there's Linux - Value Notebook - Notebooks - PCs & Notebooks - Reviews - PC Authority .::. Size~: 145.4 KB | Oct 09 23:44 |
| ender2070 | lefty is really mad about the image of him on pwnage.ca | Oct 09 23:44 |
| schestowitz | We don't talk about those trolls here | Oct 09 23:44 |
| schestowitz | They have their sandboxes in attack sites | Oct 09 23:44 |
| ender2070 | ahh | Oct 09 23:45 |
| schestowitz | We don't want lunatic getting a heart attack out of sheer anger and holding other accountable :-D | Oct 09 23:45 |
| ender2070 | lol | Oct 09 23:45 |
| schestowitz | What's this pwnage.ca site about? | Oct 09 23:46 |
| schestowitz | It seems like assorted Free software stuff... | Oct 09 23:46 |
| ender2070 | yeah its just my blog | Oct 09 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Unlike the many 'OSS' sites... | Oct 09 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Where "open source" is just some salad dressing for DRM, patents, and other closed closed closed products | Oct 09 23:47 |
| ender2070 | yeah i try to avoid using that term | Oct 09 23:47 |
| schestowitz | "Open source"? | Oct 09 23:47 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Oct 09 23:47 |
| ender2070 | i prefer free software | Oct 09 23:48 |
| schestowitz | I stopped it in late 2007 when Microsoft sniffed around the OSI too much | Oct 09 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does 'free software' too | Oct 09 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates, April 2008: ""There's free software [gratis, dumpware] and then there’s open source... there is this thing called the GPL, which we disagree with."" | Oct 09 23:48 |
| ender2070 | yeah the gpl is awesome | Oct 09 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Getting Started With Zimbra http://www.serverwatch.com/sreviews/article.php/3843141/Getting-Started-With-Zimbra.htm | Oct 09 23:49 |
| ender2070 | they ban v3 on codeplex | Oct 09 23:49 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: no, it's not... not to Microsoft | Oct 09 23:49 |
| schestowitz | a project just picked gplv3 | Oct 09 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Noticed some hours ago: http://www.nubuilder.com/nubuilderwww/ | Oct 09 23:50 |
| phIRCe | Title: Official nuBuilder Home .::. Size~: 10.27 KB | Oct 09 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "Our nuBuilder development tool has been so useful to us that we have now decided to release nuBuilder under the GPLv3 Open Source licence model." | Oct 09 23:50 |
| schestowitz | They rule out Microsoft | Oct 09 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Replacing MS Accesss | Oct 09 23:50 |
| schestowitz | With mysql | Oct 09 23:50 |
| ender2070 | then it may actually work | Oct 09 23:51 |
| ender2070 | lol | Oct 09 23:51 |
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