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| DaemonFC | !google toshiba opensolaris | Oct 13 00:10 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Toshiba OpenSolaris Laptops | http://www.opensolaris.com/toshibanotebook/ | Oct 13 00:10 |
| phIRCe | [2] - OpenSolaris on Toshiba Laptops - Jim Grisanzio | http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/entry/opensolaris_on_toshiba_laptops | Oct 13 00:10 |
| phIRCe | [3] - More OpenSolaris on Toshiba - Jim Grisanzio | http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/entry/more_opensolaris_on_toshiba_articles | Oct 13 00:10 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Content Details | http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/support/jsp/bulletin.jsp%3Fsoid%3D2219941%26ct%3DSB | Oct 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they preinstall them | Oct 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Since last year IIRC | Oct 13 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | they still call it "The OS of the future" even though it's trounced in almost every benchmark by OS X, FreeBSD, and Linux | Oct 13 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | even Java benchmarks | Oct 13 00:11 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe they predict benchmark software they can rig being the norm in the future | Oct 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Twitter is considering live video < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558305/twitter-considering-live-video > | Oct 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | phIRCe can never access the INQ | Oct 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: possible with the new management | Oct 13 00:13 |
| schestowitz | !google oracle fine benchmark | Oct 13 00:13 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Fined For Benchmark Claims | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/09/30/1824231/Oracle-Fined-For-Benchmark-Claims%3Ffrom%3Drss | Oct 13 00:13 |
| phIRCe | [2] - TPC Scolds Oracle for Anti-IBM Ads | John Paczkowski | Digital ... | http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20090930/sun-oracle-10000-false-advertising-fine/ | Oct 13 00:13 |
| phIRCe | [3] - TPC slaps Oracle on benchmark claims • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/tpc_slaps_oracle/ | Oct 13 00:13 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Oracle Fined $10000 For Anti-IBM Ads -- Database benchmarking ... | http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/hosted/showArticle.jhtml%3FarticleID%3D220300395 | Oct 13 00:13 |
| schestowitz | That's a very recent story BTW | Oct 13 00:13 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft benchmark fraud | Oct 13 00:14 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Microsoft's Latest Benchmark Fraud | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/30/microsoft-invalid-benchmark/ | Oct 13 00:14 |
| phIRCe | [2] - CyberPhoenix's Profile - Page 3 - Mixx | http://www.mixx.com/users/cyberphoenix%3Fpage%3D3 | Oct 13 00:14 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Microsoft starts software fraud campaign - ZDNet.co.uk | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39252761,00.htm | Oct 13 00:14 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Microsoft PowerPoint - L & I - Admin, Fraud & Crime Victim ... | http://www.ofm.wa.gov/performance/lni_admin_fraud_victims.pdf | Oct 13 00:14 |
| trmanco | http://www.iconfinder.net/ | Oct 13 00:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: Free icons | Search through more than 100,000 icons | .::. Size~: 5.99 KB | Oct 13 00:14 |
| trmanco | wow | Oct 13 00:14 |
| trmanco | a google for icons | Oct 13 00:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] How To Enqueue Audacious With gPodder | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ygrlvv9 | Oct 13 00:17 | |
| schestowitz | haha. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/armani_microsoft_phone/ | Oct 13 00:21 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft and Armani fashion a phone • The Register .::. Size~: 21.48 KB | Oct 13 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Does Armani want to be associated with Vistazune360? | Oct 13 00:22 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://www.iconfinder.net/search/?q=shit | Oct 13 00:22 |
| phIRCe | Title: Shit icons | Free icons | Search through more than 100,000 icons | | 1 .::. Size~: 8.69 KB | Oct 13 00:22 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 13 00:23 |
| trmanco | who would want an icon like that? :-P | Oct 13 00:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.iconfinder.net/search/?q=orc | Oct 13 00:23 |
| phIRCe | Title: Orc icons | Free icons | Search through more than 100,000 icons | | 1 .::. Size~: 15.69 KB | Oct 13 00:23 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: first thing that came to mind when I saw the FP | Oct 13 00:24 |
| trmanco | loool | Oct 13 00:24 |
| trmanco | I wonder why? too white? | Oct 13 00:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/china_bans_foreign_investment_online_video_games/ | Oct 13 00:26 |
| phIRCe | Title: China bans foreign investment in online video games • The Register .::. Size~: 21.35 KB | Oct 13 00:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's not a new site | Oct 13 00:26 |
| trmanco | but it's useful | Oct 13 00:27 |
| trmanco | anyway | Oct 13 00:28 |
| schestowitz | btw, you can run phIRCe in #boycottnovell-social too. Why not? | Oct 13 00:28 |
| trmanco | gn everyone | Oct 13 00:28 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: copyright is an issue there | Oct 13 00:28 |
| trmanco | no | Oct 13 00:28 |
| trmanco | the icons are user submitted and it does have a license dropdown | Oct 13 00:29 |
| trmanco | sort of | Oct 13 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Well, definitive answers would help | Oct 13 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Many people use Google Images to spread stuff they should not | Oct 13 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | another chunk of the bruise on my right arm is healing | Oct 13 00:30 |
| schestowitz | For internal presentations it's less of an issue | Oct 13 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | this may take a few more weeks to heal, those were some massive bruises | Oct 13 00:30 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 13 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | Many USian bankruptcies are caused by medical bills | Oct 13 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Imagine needing a transplant only to live,,,, to pay up $100,000 in debt | Oct 13 00:31 |
| trmanco | gn | Oct 13 00:31 |
| schestowitz | What do you call the opposite of Samaritan? | Oct 13 00:31 |
| schestowitz | US healthcare. | Oct 13 00:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "evangelical subculture rotting america's brain" http://bit.ly/2IpPts | Oct 13 00:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nice bridge. http://ping.fm/sYrKm | Oct 13 00:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] how do you report a spammer on identi.ca? | Oct 13 00:37 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmm... I thought David's link would be about the Cupertino cult | Oct 13 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I used to believe in the fundamentalist evangelical Christian crap because it was foisted on me as a child before I knew any better | Oct 13 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | it didn't sink in once I started looking around | Oct 13 00:41 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure they are grooming you for a special place in Hell[o world!] | Oct 13 00:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Is-Big-Blue-a-Desktop-Linux-Friend-or-Foe-68346.html?wlc=1255390378 | Oct 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | The Ubuntu Installation Guide < http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/ubuntu/1459-the-ubuntu-installation-guide > | Oct 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | NASA moon-bomb probe strikes rich seam of fruitcake http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/09/lcross_nutter_roundup/ | Oct 13 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Side Dishes: Local brewer fights a big brand http://www.7dvt.com/2009monster-mash | Oct 13 00:48 |
| schestowitz | "The Department of Justice has finally admitted it in court papers: The nation’s telecom companies are an arm of the government — at least when it comes to secret spying." http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/att-doj-foia/ | Oct 13 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Red-Faced After Massive Sidekick Data Loss < http://www.pcworld.com/article/173470/microsoft_redfaced_after_massive_sidekick_data_loss.html > | Oct 13 00:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BMW’s Hybrid Trike Gets 120 MPG http://ping.fm/99aOw | Oct 13 00:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Former Wall Street financiers face criminal action" < http://ping.fm/R3137 > What took so long? | Oct 13 00:55 | |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Stearns | Oct 13 00:57 |
| schestowitz | French culture minister denies paying for underage sex in Thailand < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/france > *LOL* | Oct 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Proposition and also molestation. | Oct 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Iran activist sentenced to death for election protests http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/08/mohammad-reza-ali-amani-death | Oct 13 01:01 |
| ThistleWeb | zoot alore | Oct 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | gn | Oct 13 01:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] settings changed, we'll try again | Oct 13 01:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] this time? | Oct 13 01:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] this time from Empathy? | Oct 13 01:31 | |
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| cubezzz | bah, I can't do internet as user on the zaurus | Oct 13 02:30 |
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| wizardsurf | hi | Oct 13 02:52 |
| wizardsurf | I recently read an article on your site about tomboy and gnote | Oct 13 02:52 |
| wizardsurf | I'm still missing something about this Mono stuff and why it's so evil | Oct 13 02:53 |
| wizardsurf | can anybody explain what is all fuss about? | Oct 13 02:53 |
| wizardsurf | KISS please :D | Oct 13 02:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | wizardsurf: heres the short version | Oct 13 02:54 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: hi! | Oct 13 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft is evil, microsoft pays novell to work on mono, mono is an implementation of .net | Oct 13 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft needed a 2nd impl because they couldnt get it standardized if they didnt | Oct 13 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | code in mono (and presumably most .net impls) is patented | Oct 13 02:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft has given a revokable patent license to novell to smooth this over | Oct 13 02:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | note the parts where I said "revokable" and "to novell" | Oct 13 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | !google nebraska state senator sues god | Oct 13 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Oct 13 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | oh, phirce is not here | Oct 13 02:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | as opposed to "irrevocable" and "to everyone" | Oct 13 02:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono is a patent bomb, and an intentional one | Oct 13 02:56 |
| wizardsurf | oh i see | Oct 13 02:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft wants to sink linux with it | Oct 13 02:56 |
| wizardsurf | ok | Oct 13 02:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is just a small tiny flaw in their plan | Oct 13 02:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one actually gives a shit about .net | Oct 13 02:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | .net itself was created as something to attack java with | Oct 13 02:56 |
| wizardsurf | why developers use mono then? and, most important to me, why someone like Miguel de Icaza work in it then? | Oct 13 02:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | developers _dont_ use mono | Oct 13 02:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're not even using it to port .net apps to linux | Oct 13 02:57 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: but how is then it integrated in applications like TomBoy? | Oct 13 02:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not | Oct 13 02:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm using gnote because its a lot smaller, a lot faster, and a lot more stable | Oct 13 02:58 |
| wizardsurf | don't!!?? i'm totally lost know | Oct 13 02:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | wizardsurf: well | Oct 13 02:58 |
| wizardsurf | yeah I switched to it right now | Oct 13 02:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I said no one is using .net | Oct 13 02:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | either on windows or through mono | Oct 13 02:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | most programmers who've tried it find it disgusting | Oct 13 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/09/nebraska-senato/ | Oct 13 02:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | most new code in the world is written in java | Oct 13 02:59 |
| wizardsurf | Ubuntu is incorporating mono | Oct 13 02:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | java killed .net before it even started, imo | Oct 13 02:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | wizardsurf: yes and no | Oct 13 02:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're including a single mono apps in ubuntu-desktop | Oct 13 02:59 |
| wizardsurf | yeah, but java requieres a *lot* more resources than other languages, altough it's pretty portable | Oct 13 02:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | java requires a lot _less_ than mono does. | Oct 13 02:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | java also does a lot more than .net/mono does. | Oct 13 03:00 |
| wizardsurf | I think Mr. Shuttelworth isn't a stupid one, i'm sure he knows exactly why he do that | Oct 13 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | Mono must really suck if it makes Java look good | Oct 13 03:00 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: mono heavier than Java? lol!! that's weird!! xDD | Oct 13 03:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | its true. | Oct 13 03:00 |
| wizardsurf | DaemonFC: agree on that! | Oct 13 03:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono, the install size, is much larger than openjdk6, but does a lot less | Oct 13 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | the size on disk doesn't matter | Oct 13 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | the memory consumed by an application does matter | Oct 13 03:01 |
| wizardsurf | how is worldwide aceptance of mono at this time? what says the community leaders/gurus? | Oct 13 03:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | a c# app and a java app that do the same things, the java app will run about twice as fast and use the same or less memory | Oct 13 03:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | no ones using it, wizardsurf | Oct 13 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | Mono and Java apps tend to both be fairly piggish | Oct 13 03:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one has written a killer app in it | Oct 13 03:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | not even for windows on .net | Oct 13 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'd call it a draw on just sheer technical merit | Oct 13 03:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it also has zero penetration in the enterprise community | Oct 13 03:02 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: that's great because once something find it's way to corporate world it's hard to clean | Oct 13 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah its great for us | Oct 13 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | its bad for microsoft | Oct 13 03:03 |
| wizardsurf | well, thank you guys, i have a better situation about it know | Oct 13 03:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | wizardsurf: btw | Oct 13 03:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | I spent 6 months trying to deal with c# | Oct 13 03:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | syntax wise, its 99% java | Oct 13 03:04 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: you know, i *don't* like m$ but I do still love my old MSX wich mean "Microsoft Super eXtend" lol xD | Oct 13 03:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the base library is missing lots of stuff java does, and mono is missing a lot .net does | Oct 13 03:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its all organized badly | Oct 13 03:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and their documentation sucks, and mono depends on ms's docs | Oct 13 03:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | after spending a whole entire month coding nothing but c#, I never want to touch it ever again | Oct 13 03:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | shortly after I tried java again, after not touching it for a decade | Oct 13 03:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I never want to use another language again | Oct 13 03:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | java really is nearly perfect | Oct 13 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | bahahaha | Oct 13 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | if you have a 12 core 6 ghz CPU and 32 GB RAM | Oct 13 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | it may run OK | Oct 13 03:06 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: i think the way is going hardware pretty powerfull these days soon Java hogness will be a thing of the past, not because Java itself will be lighter and cool, but with quadcore processors and lot of ram gigs who will care about it, what you think? | Oct 13 03:06 |
| wizardsurf | DaemonFC: hahaha right | Oct 13 03:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | wizardsurf: well, look at android | Oct 13 03:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | its for cell phones, it uses java | Oct 13 03:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | its really really really fast | Oct 13 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | I've never seen a system powerful enough to run a nontrivial Java application well | Oct 13 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | nowhere near the performance of C or something like that | Oct 13 03:07 |
| wizardsurf | nothing is near C when talking about performance | Oct 13 03:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | wizardsurf: on real machines though, java is about 1.5 tiems slower than C | Oct 13 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | Java is like sacrificing half the performance and using double the RAM so you can be lazy when you go to port it | Oct 13 03:08 |
| wizardsurf | C is like coding in plain assembler but better | Oct 13 03:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | but java also does a lot more than C, which if you do those things in C (such as constant bounds checking and other sanity checks), C wouldnt be that fast | Oct 13 03:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and DaemonFC is wrong | Oct 13 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | a talented C programmer and a good compiler can pump out program code that rivals assembler sometimes | Oct 13 03:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt take double the ram, nor does it run half as fast | Oct 13 03:08 |
| wizardsurf | yeah, of course that's why they meant for precise purpose | Oct 13 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | Java just blows | Oct 13 03:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | java7 is also faster than 6 | Oct 13 03:09 |
| wizardsurf | I like Sun | Oct 13 03:09 |
| wizardsurf | those guys are cool | Oct 13 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | Java 7, now only 7 times slower than C :) | Oct 13 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | Oct 13 03:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC hates java for no good reason | Oct 13 03:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes never actually used it | Oct 13 03:10 |
| wizardsurf | I'm running a debian based distro right now but I'm anxious about trying upcoming OpenSolaris 2010 | Oct 13 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's bloated and slow and runs any CPU like a bitch | Oct 13 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | best way to make your laptop into a space heater is to load something like Limewire | Oct 13 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | or Vuze | Oct 13 03:10 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: i agree with DaemonFC that it's bloated and slow and runs any CPU like a... turtle, but again, if you want to make your app very portable at a minimal effort, well java is very cool then | Oct 13 03:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm using java every day, wizardsurf | Oct 13 03:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | its extremely fast | Oct 13 03:12 |
| wizardsurf | Limewire and Vuze stinks baaadddd | Oct 13 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | limewire and vuze are not good examples of a java app | Oct 13 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | in fact, they were written by idiots | Oct 13 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | _any_ language lets you write bad apps | Oct 13 03:12 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: lol | Oct 13 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | it is not unique to java | Oct 13 03:12 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: yep, you are right | Oct 13 03:12 |
| wizardsurf | so, the whole thing then is trying to avoid mono at all cost | Oct 13 03:13 |
| wizardsurf | cool | Oct 13 03:13 |
| wizardsurf | one last word guys | Oct 13 03:13 |
| wizardsurf | what you think about openSUSE? | Oct 13 03:13 |
| wizardsurf | personally i don't like it very much, for a corporate distro i prefer fedora | Oct 13 03:13 |
| wizardsurf | but i'm curious about what's your opinion | Oct 13 03:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | its one of the worst normal distros out there | Oct 13 03:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it doesnt help its turned into a vehicle to promote mono | Oct 13 03:14 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: agree on that | Oct 13 03:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I've used debian for almost 15 years, Im not going to stop any time soon | Oct 13 03:14 |
| wizardsurf | so is like Stallman says days ago, Icaza is traitor then lol xD | Oct 13 03:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | stallman is pretty much right | Oct 13 03:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont like how he handled it, but hes right | Oct 13 03:15 |
| wizardsurf | debian rules!! but fedora is backed by red hat and red hat rules too :D | Oct 13 03:15 |
| wizardsurf | i gotta go guys | Oct 13 03:15 |
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| wizardsurf | it's a pleasure to meet you :D, i will hanging here | Oct 13 03:16 |
| wizardsurf | Diablo-D3: DaemonFC tnx for the little chat | Oct 13 03:16 |
| wizardsurf | see ya!! | Oct 13 03:16 |
| wizardsurf | and remember | Oct 13 03:16 |
| wizardsurf | Boycott Novell | Oct 13 03:16 |
| wizardsurf | :D | Oct 13 03:16 |
| wizardsurf | xD | Oct 13 03:16 |
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| DaemonFC | my PC shipped | Oct 13 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | tracking suggests it'll be here thursday | Oct 13 03:43 |
| cubezzz | people were really brutal in the past: | Oct 13 04:04 |
| cubezzz | In 1547, a bill was passed that subjected vagrants to some of the more extreme provisions of the criminal law, namely two years servitude and branding with a "V" as the penalty for the first offense and death for the second. | Oct 13 04:04 |
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| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yes, humanity has been stupid for a very long time | Oct 13 04:09 |
| cubezzz | that wikipedia article on "sawing" was even more brutal | Oct 13 04:11 |
| cubezzz | I'm glad I wasn't around then | Oct 13 04:11 |
| cubezzz | "in the 1970s, the deinstitutionalisation of patients from state psychiatric hospitals was a precipitating factor which seeded the homeless population," | Oct 13 04:12 |
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| cubezzz | things have obviously improved greatly since the Middle Ages | Oct 13 04:15 |
| cubezzz | still room for improvement of course | Oct 13 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | my brother likes Ubuntu Karmic better than Mandriva 2009 Spring | Oct 13 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | I swapped Mandriva for Ubuntu | Oct 13 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | on his system | Oct 13 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | also gave him my Geforce 9500 GT out of the busted system I'm junking | Oct 13 04:16 |
| cubezzz | I tried Ubuntu once, didn't care for it | Oct 13 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | my new system should be here this week | Oct 13 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | it should sufficiently spank Windows 7, Ubuntu, anything I throw at it | Oct 13 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's a powerful system in just about every way | Oct 13 04:17 |
| cubezzz | I'm taking a page out of Diablo-D3's book, my next computer will be more energy efficient | Oct 13 04:19 |
| cubezzz | plus if it uses less power, the ups will last longer | Oct 13 04:20 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm going to run a Phenom II X4 945 (3 Ghz), 8 GB DDR2 1066 Mhz RAM, a 1 TB 7200 RPM hard disk, and a ATI Radeon HD 4670 with 1 TB GDDR3 on a 300 watt PSU | Oct 13 04:22 |
| Omar87 | HI all check this out: http://bit.ly/3HuOtN | Oct 13 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | with room to spare | Oct 13 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | the whole system will max around 220-230 watts | Oct 13 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | people tend to buy PSUs that are way bigger and more wasteful than they need | Oct 13 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | it just uses power needlessly | Oct 13 04:23 |
| cubezzz | "To comply with the new Energy Star 4.0 standard, a desktop PC must use under 50W in idle mode and 4W when asleep." | Oct 13 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | mine is Energy Star 3.0 I think | Oct 13 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really care | Oct 13 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not like I want some system that wastes s much power as it's using either | Oct 13 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | great way to double your electric bill | Oct 13 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | [11:21:36] <DaemonFC> I'm going to run a Phenom II X4 945 (3 Ghz), 8 GB DDR2 1066 Mhz RAM, a 1 TB 7200 RPM hard disk, and a ATI Radeon HD 4670 with 1 TB GDDR3 on a 300 watt PSU | Oct 13 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats not really a problem | Oct 13 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, it depends who's psu | Oct 13 04:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | though I'd rather go for a 500w psu | Oct 13 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | "I have FELT him, my master" | Oct 13 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 13 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | for me, my c2d e8500, a radeon 4850, 8gb of ddr2-1066, and 6 newer 3.5" 7200rpm drives take 350w at peak | Oct 13 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | I still remember people in the theater cracking up | Oct 13 04:25 |
| cubezzz | for comparison: | Oct 13 04:25 |
| cubezzz | "The new Studio Hybrid is not only Dell’s smallest-sized desktop, it’s also its most energy-efficient. The system uses only 1 watt of power when off or in hibernate mode, a frugal 26W while sitting idle, and 44W when the system is fully taxed" | Oct 13 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have a 600w actual psu | Oct 13 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: A WHOLE WATT? | Oct 13 04:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | holy fucking christ, | Oct 13 04:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf are they powering with that? | Oct 13 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't want to push a 300 watt psu over 250 watts for any length of time | Oct 13 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | I should be fine with what I have | Oct 13 04:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: I wouldnt either, which is why I asked who's | Oct 13 04:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | pc power lists psus in actual, not peak | Oct 13 04:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | so I basically have a 750w peak psu | Oct 13 04:27 |
| cubezzz | 44W when fully taxed seemed pretty good | Oct 13 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yes and no | Oct 13 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I remember when there was no such thing as power management | Oct 13 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | the system could turn the display off, that was it | Oct 13 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | it sounds like a dual core atom + ion, cubezzz | Oct 13 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | before people started worrying about CPU throttling and crap | Oct 13 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well, it is pretty silly to waste power | Oct 13 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: you want something thats power efficient and actually runs really fast? | Oct 13 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, AMD changed power management on Phenom II cause Vista is broken | Oct 13 04:28 |
| cubezzz | it doesn't really say what it is, I'll have to look it up | Oct 13 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Vista was running threads on idling cores on Phenom | Oct 13 04:28 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, sure | Oct 13 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | okay, everybody shush why I do my magic | Oct 13 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: how much ram that thing have? 2gb? | Oct 13 04:28 |
| cubezzz | checking... | Oct 13 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Vista actually causes global warming | Oct 13 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | what an accomplishment | Oct 13 04:29 |
| cubezzz | "Up to 4GB* 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM*" | Oct 13 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | millions of PCs that can't do per core idling because Vista is busted | Oct 13 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | HAHAHAH | Oct 13 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats totally an atom | Oct 13 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its not even an ion I bet | Oct 13 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: so lets try 4gb in my machine | Oct 13 04:31 |
| cubezzz | Intel® Core™2 Duo | Oct 13 04:31 |
| cubezzz | for cpu | Oct 13 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | bullshit | Oct 13 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | 44w on a c2d? | Oct 13 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | even the slowest ulv cant do that | Oct 13 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | the slowest mobile ulv, I mean | Oct 13 04:31 |
| cubezzz | http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-studio-hybrid?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~tab=specstab | Oct 13 04:31 |
| cubezzz | maybe the info is wrong | Oct 13 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: Im going to bang one of these out | Oct 13 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | for the lulz | Oct 13 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | to see what the price is | Oct 13 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | t4300 2.16ghz 800mhz fsb 1mb cache dual core.... | Oct 13 04:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | subtract like $50 for vista | Oct 13 04:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | 4gb of memory | Oct 13 04:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | 320gb drive | Oct 13 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | I won't do Intel or Nvidia again | Oct 13 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | believe I mentioned this, worth repeating though | Oct 13 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | uses lolintel chip | Oct 13 04:35 |
| cubezzz | I'll check on ebay also | Oct 13 04:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: dont | Oct 13 04:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im trying to make a fair comparison here | Oct 13 04:36 |
| cubezzz | ok | Oct 13 04:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | $674 | Oct 13 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | AMD/ATI are better value on low to mid-high end | Oct 13 04:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well wait | Oct 13 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im doing my magic here | Oct 13 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | this stuff changes all the time, but that's how the playing field is now | Oct 13 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | Intel has the absolute highest end but you have to buy their most expensive stuff to get it | Oct 13 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | a Core i7, etc. | Oct 13 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | not worth paying triple to get a 20% performance boost IMO | Oct 13 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to spend your money on diminishing returns to have bragging rights til it's obsolete in a few months, it's your money | Oct 13 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | OKAY SO WATCH THIS | Oct 13 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | you wanna see a computer thats twice the power of that mess? | Oct 13 04:39 |
| cubezzz | of course ;0 | Oct 13 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103698 | Oct 13 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130233 | Oct 13 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148262 | Oct 13 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129041 | Oct 13 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | stuff advances too fast to try and stay on top | Oct 13 04:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | throw in a $60 psu, newegg doesnt have the right pc power model I want for that | Oct 13 04:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395 | Oct 13 04:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | it can idle at around 25 watts or so and peak at around 75 or so | Oct 13 04:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | and is about 2 or 3 times more powerful | Oct 13 04:42 |
| cubezzz | well, it's newegg.ca for me but it looks interesting | Oct 13 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Id really wanna swap that cpu out for this | Oct 13 04:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103688 | Oct 13 04:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is $20 more | Oct 13 04:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | so for $430 vs $674, I win | Oct 13 04:43 |
| cubezzz | dell might give free shipping | Oct 13 04:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ill be generous | Oct 13 04:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | add in another $50 | Oct 13 04:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im still winning | Oct 13 04:44 |
| cubezzz | not that I'm advocating Dell :) | Oct 13 04:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: so, about 25 watts min power usage, 75-100 max power usage | Oct 13 04:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | vs their 25 to 50 | Oct 13 04:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I throw in $50 for shipping, Im still $150 cheaper | Oct 13 04:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the dual core machine is about 4-5 times more powerful | Oct 13 04:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | so for the actual power of the machine, I'm a shitload more efficient | Oct 13 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | as usual, I kick ass | Oct 13 04:46 |
| cubezzz | would you know the dhrystones for that cpu? | Oct 13 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: nope, and thats not the large issue | Oct 13 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant really measure performance that way | Oct 13 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | for example, look at the memory | Oct 13 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | single channel ddr2-667 vs dual channel ddr3-1333 | Oct 13 04:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | my box has 4 times the memory bandwidth off the bat | Oct 13 04:47 |
| cubezzz | yeah it sounds very good | Oct 13 04:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah, for being overall 5+ times more powerful and only using roughly twice the peak watts | Oct 13 04:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | and for being around $150 cheaper | Oct 13 04:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | I win | Oct 13 04:48 |
| cubezzz | maybe you could go solid state and save even more watts | Oct 13 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | eeeh probably | Oct 13 04:51 |
| tessier | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StRqmPHOKEc&NR=1 | Oct 13 04:51 |
| tessier | ROFLMAO | Oct 13 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you blow the price out | Oct 13 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: that, and 500gb on a dumb machine really will last you forever | Oct 13 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | 256 and 512gb SSDs are so fucking expensive | Oct 13 04:52 |
| cubezzz | how much? | Oct 13 04:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | enough that it'll make up for that $150 gap | Oct 13 04:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I dont like putting singular SSDs in | Oct 13 04:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | SSD is just not worth it yet | Oct 13 04:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: now, if I was trying to fit the entire machine in under 25 watts, then SSD becomes viable | Oct 13 04:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats just pissing contest shit | Oct 13 04:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | 7200.12s are already very lightweight | Oct 13 04:53 |
| cubezzz | less noise :) | Oct 13 04:54 |
| cubezzz | you could get a smaller SSD | Oct 13 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah they're really quiet | Oct 13 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: btw | Oct 13 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | look at what case tha tis | Oct 13 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the micro p180 | Oct 13 04:54 |
| cubezzz | yes, I saw | Oct 13 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have the full sized one sitting next to me right now | Oct 13 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its my case of choice | Oct 13 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | the fucker is silent no matter what you put in it | Oct 13 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, to be fair, you could put four of those dells in the volume that mini-p180 uses | Oct 13 04:54 |
| cubezzz | what I'm wondering though, would the ssd last longer than the hard drive? | Oct 13 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its a size pissing contest | Oct 13 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: no | Oct 13 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're not SLCs | Oct 13 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | cheap consumer SSDs are MLCs | Oct 13 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | they die faster | Oct 13 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: my current vision of the timeline is like this | Oct 13 04:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | 0-5 years from now, normal drives remain awesome | Oct 13 04:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | 5-10 years from now, SSDs and normal drives battle it out | Oct 13 04:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | after 10 years, SSDs win and normal drives die out over the 10-15 year period. | Oct 13 04:56 |
| cubezzz | but not currently? | Oct 13 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | currently? not even close | Oct 13 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you're using SSDs, you have an absolute need for them | Oct 13 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | here you dont | Oct 13 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | SSDs in consumer equipment is largely pissing contest material | Oct 13 04:57 |
| cubezzz | what if money is no object? | Oct 13 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | money is always an object | Oct 13 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | even I, in my infinite overspending ways only buy exactly whats needed for a task | Oct 13 04:58 |
| cubezzz | what I mean is can you buy a longer lasting SSD? | Oct 13 04:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, I can | Oct 13 04:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're just incredibly expensive | Oct 13 04:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | lets assume the cheapest quality drive per gb is around 12 cents a GB | Oct 13 04:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can buy SSDs that are $1.20 a gb. | Oct 13 04:59 |
| cubezzz | that's not too bad | Oct 13 04:59 |
| cubezzz | 100 gigs = $120 | Oct 13 04:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | kind of | Oct 13 04:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can buy drives that cost more, but they're special | Oct 13 04:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, SAS/600 or milspec | Oct 13 05:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats outside of the realm we're talking here | Oct 13 05:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeha | Oct 13 05:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats quite expensive for that | Oct 13 05:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and remember, they come in 2^x sizes | Oct 13 05:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | so that'd be 128gb for whatever | Oct 13 05:01 |
| cubezzz | ok, still... not out of the question | Oct 13 05:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes BUT thats for the best case | Oct 13 05:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | both of them go straight up when you put more in a drive | Oct 13 05:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | 2TB vs 500gb of the same series of drives, you're going to have a big difference in price per gb | Oct 13 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | or 512 vs 128 for ssd | Oct 13 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: the problem is this though | Oct 13 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | ~500 is where you dont need any more space for a boring computer | Oct 13 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | 512gb SSDs are too expensive | Oct 13 05:02 |
| cubezzz | I could live with 128gb | Oct 13 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | why are we even talking about this? | Oct 13 05:04 |
| cubezzz | I am in the market for a new computer :) | Oct 13 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139007 | Oct 13 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | compare. | Oct 13 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | almost $300 for 128gb | Oct 13 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | vs $55 for 500. | Oct 13 05:05 |
| cubezzz | ok, so it's rather pricey | Oct 13 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, it is | Oct 13 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I thought I made the point earlier, but apparently I didnt | Oct 13 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220341 | Oct 13 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the cheapest nonshit drive | Oct 13 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | $125 for 32gb | Oct 13 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could buy two 750gb for that price, give or take | Oct 13 05:06 |
| cubezzz | I expected it to be more expensive, but didn't realize it was _that_ much more | Oct 13 05:07 |
| cubezzz | more on the order of $3.5 per gig | Oct 13 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | drives like that arent the sweet spot | Oct 13 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm | Oct 13 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | it seems 128 is the sweet spot, at $2.21 per GB | Oct 13 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow, SSD prices have skyrocketed | Oct 13 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder why | Oct 13 05:10 |
| cubezzz | do you think ssd will completely replace hard drives in the future? | Oct 13 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, the sweet spot for normal drives is 8 cents per gb | Oct 13 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats on a 1.5gb drive | Oct 13 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: and yes, I answered that already | Oct 13 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | 10 years from now | Oct 13 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | by 15 years from now, no one will sell normal drives anymore | Oct 13 05:14 |
| *cubezzz nods | Oct 13 05:14 | |
| Diablo-D3 | also, holy shit has storage gotten cheap | Oct 13 05:15 |
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| cubezzz | Data Storage Today also says 10 years | Oct 13 05:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | its good that they agree with me then | Oct 13 05:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | so lets see here | Oct 13 05:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | ssds cost, roughly, 28 times more per gb | Oct 13 05:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | and are only 17% as dense | Oct 13 05:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | (assuming you fit two 2.5" drives in the space of a 3.5" drive) | Oct 13 05:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats 5.8 times less dense, btw | Oct 13 05:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | so to be worth the expense.... | Oct 13 05:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'd have to be 162 times faster. | Oct 13 05:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | using diablo's bizzaro logic | Oct 13 05:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are drives that can do that magnitude of operations per second faster than an equivilent normal drive | Oct 13 05:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its not these | Oct 13 05:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | (in this case, its super fast high end enterprise ssds vs a 2.5" 15krpm normal drive) | Oct 13 05:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: and this is more than you ever wanted to know about a SSD | Oct 13 05:24 |
| cubezzz | well, I think I have a good idea now :) | Oct 13 05:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #CreativeCommons takes hold in the Middle East. http://bit.ly/3HuOtN | Oct 13 05:27 | |
| DaemonFC | this suicide bombing is a share alike work | Oct 13 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Oct 13 05:30 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, you are such an ignorant. | Oct 13 05:32 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, you' | Oct 13 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | that he is | Oct 13 05:32 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, you're flat-out pathetic! | Oct 13 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | that he is | Oct 13 05:33 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, man! You drink the FoxNews kool-aid waaaaay too much!! | Oct 13 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | that he does | Oct 13 05:34 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, and for that reason, I have no choice at all but to ignore you. | Oct 13 05:35 |
| cubezzz | I just checked, I can receive WUTV-HD on antenna | Oct 13 05:36 |
| cubezzz | never watch it though | Oct 13 05:36 |
| cubezzz | Antenna FTW :) | Oct 13 05:37 |
| cubezzz | no need to pay $800 per year for cable | Oct 13 05:40 |
| cubezzz | but we've been through that | Oct 13 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, you usually dont pay for cable for that shit | Oct 13 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | you pay for cable for all the other channels you get | Oct 13 05:41 |
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| Omar87 | DaemonFC, the FoxNews kool-aid is not good for your health at all man. | Oct 13 05:46 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, it causes amnesia. At some level you'll no longer remember your own name. | Oct 13 05:46 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Intel lied on benchmark, sucks worse than we imagined http://ur1.ca/dhbr | Oct 13 05:52 | |
| Omar87 | Guys, I'm thinking of making my own version of Ubuntu with all the Mono junkware removed. | Oct 13 06:14 |
| Omar87 | So, it's gonna be like: "All the merits of Ubuntu Karmic Koala, with none of the Mono junkware." | Oct 13 06:15 |
| Omar87 | What do you think? | Oct 13 06:15 |
| cubezzz | this is just a suggestion but... | Oct 13 06:27 |
| cubezzz | gNewSense :) | Oct 13 06:28 |
| cubezzz | or if you are very curious LFS | Oct 13 06:28 |
| cubezzz | you can remove the bad bits but with gNewSense you are clean from the start | Oct 13 06:30 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz, gNewsense is still based on Hardy. | Oct 13 06:31 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz, when will the new gNewsense release come out? | Oct 13 06:32 |
| cubezzz | don't know | Oct 13 06:48 |
| cubezzz | I think the last release 2.3 is pretty recent | Oct 13 06:48 |
| cubezzz | again there's always LFS, I'm going to try that next | Oct 13 06:48 |
| cubezzz | then just add whatever you want | Oct 13 06:49 |
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| schestowitz | "@teddks Free as in Freedom; it's Free, Libre, Open Source Software, all (nearly) synonymous terms !gnu !fsf !freesoftware" http://identi.ca/notice/11909020 | Oct 13 07:48 |
| schestowitz | In reply to: http://identi.ca/notice/11907909 | Oct 13 07:49 |
| schestowitz | Republicans lobbying to kill people: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/10/the_insurance_industrys_decept.html | Oct 13 07:55 |
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| schestowitz | "Few days ago I had a phone call with Sam Ramji - formerly open source strategist at Microsoft and now CodePlex Foundation’s President - and I expressed the opinion that the foundation should help companies to better understand how to profit from open source participation." | Oct 13 08:01 |
| schestowitz | http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/10/09/how-to-make-codeplex-sexy-for-business/ | Oct 13 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is wrapping up Roberto. | Oct 13 08:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rcweir: Tipped off by @drewjensen: Androffice is ODF spreadsheet for Android. Screenshots look great. http://bit.ly/11N4Rd | Oct 13 08:04 | |
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| schestowitz | Conflicts of Interest are No Good for Boards, Business < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/conflicts-of-interest-are-no-good-for-boards-business/?cs=36607 > | Oct 13 08:27 |
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| schestowitz | Never seen this show before...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tDYfV9X_xo | Oct 13 08:35 |
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| schestowitz | "A 32-year old man working at the Centre for Nuclear Research (CERN) is facing terrorism charges in France following his arrest last week." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/hadron_boffin_charged/ | Oct 13 08:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/firefox_3_5_4_beta_available/ | Oct 13 08:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, thats nuts | Oct 13 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs Sees Upside for Software Companies (CTXS, MSFT, RHT, VMW) < http://www.streetinsider.com/Analyst+Comments/Goldman+Sachs+Sees+Upside+for+Software+Companies+(CTXS,+MSFT,+RHT,+VMW)/5009888.html > | Oct 13 08:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe like Moody's they are just paid to say it | Oct 13 08:45 |
| schestowitz | "The plaintiffs allege that Microsoft improperly distributed the Windows Genuine Advantage tool, without proper consent from users, in a manner normally reserved for "high priority" security updates. WGA, as it's known, tests to see if a copy of Windows is valid and delivers warnings if it doesn't pass. Microsoft's Automatic Update system lets users opt in to receive fixes and patches for the operating system." | Oct 13 08:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10/microsoft_still_fighting_claim_it_gave_spyware_to_xp_users.html?ana=from_rss | Oct 13 08:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/dont-be-evil-means-dont-be-evil | Oct 13 08:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/NVIDIA-Suspends-Chipset-Development | Oct 13 08:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #Windows Vista AIDS edition: Art: http://is.gd/4gWs8 Life: http://is.gd/4gWv9 | Oct 13 09:57 | |
| cubezzz | hmmm, Perlow blogged about openblocks | Oct 13 10:00 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How not to advertise on the Internet http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001286.html | Oct 13 10:18 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm.... | Oct 13 10:19 |
| schestowitz | kwin doesn't like windows higher than about 5000px | Oct 13 10:19 |
| MinceR | with or without compositing? | Oct 13 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Question with that Vista AIDS edition how is MS paying the money. If its in copies of windows products at full RRP you would have to buy a lot of them to make any difference. | Oct 13 10:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: probably 4096 | Oct 13 10:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: compositing | Oct 13 10:32 |
| schestowitz | That's what messed up | Oct 13 10:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thats probably the maximum texture size on your video card | Oct 13 10:32 |
| schestowitz | It got disabled | Oct 13 10:32 |
| schestowitz | The translucency bit | Oct 13 10:32 |
| schestowitz | In KDE3 with COmpiz I had another curious thing | Oct 13 10:32 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: perhaps the texture is too big for your GPU | Oct 13 10:32 |
| schestowitz | After overlaying about 22 windows (the magic number) it slowed down a lot | Oct 13 10:32 |
| MinceR | it would probably be too big for anyone's GPU, to be fair | Oct 13 10:32 |
| schestowitz | It's fine as long as they were not on top of each other | Oct 13 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Then CPU usage goes up a lot | Oct 13 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Stress testing it might be worth for posting limitations | Oct 13 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Ideally, the DE should do something to prevent it | Oct 13 10:34 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 13 10:34 |
| schestowitz | I could refuse to resize | Oct 13 10:34 |
| schestowitz | I need to restart X to redo compsite | Oct 13 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Issue is no texture splitting. | Oct 13 10:36 |
| MinceR | wow, now with vista aids edition you can get both a crap pc _and_ a crap OS together, and pay extra! | Oct 13 10:36 |
| oiaohm | So when you hit max texture of video card you run into problems. | Oct 13 10:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: question is MS really paying the 10 dollars. | Oct 13 10:37 |
| MinceR | someone said only a small fraction of the extra tax is really paid to charity | Oct 13 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Or are MS using the magic RRP number to do it. | Oct 13 10:37 |
| MinceR | what's that? | Oct 13 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Recommend Retail Price. | Oct 13 10:38 |
| MinceR | my point is that it isn't only vista, it's also dell | Oct 13 10:38 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 13 10:38 |
| oiaohm | So every time MS gives a charity a product the claim the full RRP for it. | Oct 13 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Off there tax. | Oct 13 10:38 |
| oiaohm | So why should we think this AIDS thing is any different. | Oct 13 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Note the charities still have to pay handling changes to get the software so its not 100 percent free. | Oct 13 10:39 |
| MinceR | the charities get sw, not money? | Oct 13 10:39 |
| MinceR | oh, that's what you said | Oct 13 10:39 |
| MinceR | so this isn't just a scam | Oct 13 10:40 |
| MinceR | this is like a scam made out of smaller scams | Oct 13 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Yep MinceR I remember reading the letter from MS to a charity I work with. | Oct 13 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Claiming over a 30 000 AUD donation. | Oct 13 10:40 |
| MinceR | i should have expected that when m$ talks about "charity" | Oct 13 10:40 |
| oiaohm | For discounted software the charity had paid for. | Oct 13 10:40 |
| oiaohm | The real serious question is how is MS paying with the AIDS thing. | Oct 13 10:41 |
| MinceR | i guess dell (hell) claims "charity" in the same way | Oct 13 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Dell giving hardware would be a better pay rate MinceR | Oct 13 10:41 |
| MinceR | only slightly | Oct 13 10:42 |
| MinceR | dell hardware is crap | Oct 13 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Way better. | Oct 13 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Remember Windows 7 Pro they give to charity they will be claiming 700 dollars. | Oct 13 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Even that the charity has paid for disk production to be correct more than disk production. | Oct 13 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Note they claim even more for server version so windows. | Oct 13 10:44 |
| MinceR | they call the most expensive version "pro"? | Oct 13 10:45 |
| oiaohm | No. | Oct 13 10:45 |
| oiaohm | RRP is the price no one in there right mind will pay for the item MinceR | Oct 13 10:45 |
| MinceR | no one in their right mind pays for m$ products willingly. | Oct 13 10:45 |
| oiaohm | HP harddrives 500 GB 15000 RPM RRP 1500 USD. | Oct 13 10:46 |
| MinceR | (only when forced to via tying, government scams, or otherwise) | Oct 13 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes no one in there right mind pays RRP on anything. | Oct 13 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Thinking the same drive normal sales price is about 700 USD> | Oct 13 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Ie RRP is basically is at least double a sane sale price. So you can make out you are selling a item at a discount | Oct 13 10:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 13 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, I dont like those 3.5" 15krpm drives | Oct 13 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Basically RRP is one of the biggest cons going. | Oct 13 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf is rrp anyhow? | Oct 13 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Recommned Retail Price Diablo-D3 | Oct 13 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh | Oct 13 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Yes the maker of the item can set it as anything as well. | Oct 13 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Never has to ever sell a item at that price. | Oct 13 10:50 |
| mutex_ | thats why its a "recomended" price. | Oct 13 10:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think you mean msrp | Oct 13 10:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have never paid msrp in my life | Oct 13 10:51 |
| schestowitz | I never bought anything from Microsoft | Oct 13 10:52 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggested_retail_price Same thing Diablo-D3 | Oct 13 10:52 |
| schestowitz | [except paid that WIndows tax via the OEM] | Oct 13 10:52 |
| schestowitz | FOSS compliance engineering in the embedded industry http://lwn.net/Articles/354387/ | Oct 13 10:52 |
| cubezzz | wow, I can't say that | Oct 13 10:52 |
| cubezzz | "never bought anything from microsoft" | Oct 13 10:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, my TV downstairs has a $2000 mrsp | Oct 13 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | I paid $1200 for it | Oct 13 10:53 |
| oiaohm | mrsp and rrp is the same thing. | Oct 13 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Its also called rsp or list price. | Oct 13 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Opps srp | Oct 13 10:53 |
| oiaohm | I got it backwards in the middle of msrp. | Oct 13 10:54 |
| MinceR | i too have never bought anything from m$ but the winblows tax | Oct 13 10:54 |
| cubezzz | I bought QuickC and Assembler :) | Oct 13 10:54 |
| cubezzz | it was a long time ago | Oct 13 10:54 |
| MinceR | well, also the money our government stole for m$, actually | Oct 13 10:54 |
| MinceR | (so they could buy us "free" licenses for m$ crap... twice) | Oct 13 10:54 |
| MinceR | (once for campus and once for m$dn) | Oct 13 10:55 |
| MinceR | in the end we have no choice, m$ keeps robbing us | Oct 13 10:55 |
| cubezzz | oh, they get nothing from me _now_ | Oct 13 10:56 |
| cubezzz | I just can't say never | Oct 13 10:56 |
| oiaohm | I have always payed the least. | Oct 13 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Like 699 for my house load of software many years go. | Oct 13 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie 10 copies of XP Office 1 copy of server 2003... | Oct 13 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Mostly so i could mess with it a bit. | Oct 13 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Ralph Lauren Admits It Needs Photoshop Help... Doesn't Say Much About DMCA Help < http://techdirt.com/articles/20091012/0322546488.shtml > | Oct 13 11:08 |
| schestowitz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ncurses/+bug/450229 | Oct 13 11:10 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Oct 13 11:15 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Oct 13 11:15 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri Jun 12 18:24:05 2009 | Oct 13 11:15 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Oct 13 11:15 | |
| *Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect | Oct 13 11:16 | |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091012/0248256485.shtmlGerman Chancellor Against Google Book Project... Leaves Out That Germany Tried Funding A Competitor | Oct 13 11:24 |
| schestowitz | TM has a good list of distros. Mandriva and SUSE have always been KDE leaders, so it puts OpenSUSE at the top. | Oct 13 11:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Carter-Ruck successfully preserves Trafigura’s online reputation http://is.gd/4ha4Z | Oct 13 11:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://blog.dipinkrishna.info/2009/10/create-deb-file-of-packages-installed.html | Oct 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/09/linux-is-an-evil-and-uncompassionate-os/ | Oct 13 12:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Trafigura scandal wasn't about dumping oil - it was about dumping CAUSTIC SODA. Thousands of tons of it. Knowing what it would do. | Oct 13 12:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Supported Files Of Various Ubuntu Multimedia Programs < http://ping.fm/BCZxa > Useful little table. | Oct 13 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | Scott M. Fulton, III plays ball for Microsoft, whose business impacts his career (books) http://www.betanews.com/article/Amateur-Linux-IBM-mainframe-failure-blamed-for-stranding-New-Zealand-flyers/1255360352 | Oct 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | It's funny how Linux 'failures' are reported by those who monetise them | Oct 13 12:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard they experiment with it where locals haven't the ability to sue. Disgraceful. | Oct 13 12:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] has anyone done a twitter icon that contains every current twibbon? | Oct 13 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | http://live.iencyclopedia.org/2009/10/nobel-prize-in-economic-sciences-for.html | Oct 13 12:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zimtelegraph.com/?p=3604Robert Mugabe is a political pervert. | Oct 13 12:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/12/flickr-receives-four-billionth-photo-upload | Oct 13 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10372733-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad | Oct 13 12:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rlancefield Aim Tasers lower police told (because manslaughter often offends) http://bit.ly/2ibACw | Oct 13 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | Steorn renews perpetual promise to show free energy machine http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014160o-2000331777b,00.htm?s_cid=262 | Oct 13 12:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Punitive Slovak Language Law Goes into Effect - http://bit.ly/iMH78 fined for speaking another language #slovak | Oct 13 12:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.flickr.com/photos/cakehole/3997971207/in/pool-96539599@N00 | Oct 13 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: :D | Oct 13 12:31 |
| schestowitz | "BT Vision Chief: ‘We Will Miss Three Million Subscriptions Target’ - http://bit.ly/19CXdY that's good, since it's all Windows-based" http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-bt-vision-chief-we-will-miss-three-million-subscriptions-target/ | Oct 13 12:34 |
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| schestowitz | "In her long career as an oceanographer, Sylvia Earle has witnessed the damage that humanity has done to the Earth’s oceans. But in an interview with Yale Environment 360, she says there's still time to pull the seas back from the brink." | Oct 13 12:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/010610.html | Oct 13 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/security/UK-National-Identity-Fraud-Prevention-Week-kicks-off--/news/114450 | Oct 13 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Linux foundation member ships is starting to get some reasonable discounts. | Oct 13 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Pitty I don't particularly like hp and dell hardware. | Oct 13 12:44 |
| mutex_ | HP made the very best test equipment, but their computer division sucks bad yes. | Oct 13 12:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @pragi_uk: Q: How many #CarterRuck lawyers to change a lightbulb? A: None, thanks to #Trafigura the room already glows in the dark | Oct 13 12:55 | |
| schestowitz | Time for news.. :-) | Oct 13 12:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Unix / #Linux Still Central in Computing http://ur1.ca/di11 http://ur1.ca/di13 | Oct 13 13:07 | |
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| trmanco | heh | Oct 13 13:09 |
| trmanco | I got channel colors working | Oct 13 13:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NomadInnovations Builds #WiMAX #Transceiver Using #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/di19 | Oct 13 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: in Konv? | Oct 13 13:11 |
| schestowitz | What does that mean, channel colors? | Oct 13 13:11 |
| trmanco | no | Oct 13 13:11 |
| trmanco | bold, underline, and colors | Oct 13 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Ah. | Oct 13 13:11 |
| trmanco | for the bot | Oct 13 13:11 |
| schestowitz | It's just symbols | Oct 13 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Run an instance in #boycottnovell-social | Oct 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | In fact, maybe the Linux/Ubuntu channels, for example, would appreciate one | Oct 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | You could try | Oct 13 13:12 |
| trmanco | it doesn't work on freenode | Oct 13 13:13 |
| trmanco | it's striping out the colors | Oct 13 13:13 |
| trmanco | you need to disable -c flag | Oct 13 13:13 |
| trmanco | but this flag is experimental and not active in all channels | Oct 13 13:13 |
| trmanco | you need to ask for a staff member to enable it | Oct 13 13:13 |
| trmanco | http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml | Oct 13 13:14 |
| trmanco | the #amarok channel has it enabled | Oct 13 13:15 |
| trmanco | http://freenode.net/using_the_networ | Oct 13 13:15 |
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| trmanco | oops | Oct 13 13:16 |
| trmanco | wrong channel | Oct 13 13:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Still Fails at #BigServers Server, #GNU #Linux Grows http://bit.ly/2cFK2R | Oct 13 13:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "I'd put the Linux phenomenon really as threat No. 1." --Steve Ballmer, 2001 | Oct 13 13:18 | |
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| oiaohm | Linux does not scale perfectly yet either. | Oct 13 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Linux guys are working on it. | Oct 13 13:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Makes #Symantec Obsolete (and Not Just Because of Viruses) http://ur1.ca/di1x | Oct 13 13:20 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: true, I have no c flag here | Oct 13 13:24 |
| schestowitz | No big deal | Oct 13 13:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Worth as Much as Microsoft, Events & #Kupfer Coming http://ur1.ca/dg67 http://ur1.ca/di27 http://ur1.ca/di28 http://ur1.ca/di29 | Oct 13 13:24 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: what scales better? | Oct 13 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: ask in freenode maybe | Oct 13 13:24 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Solaris at particular sizes extracts higher performance still | Oct 13 13:24 |
| schestowitz | They can see you have op here, they can help | Oct 13 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Last 12 months there have been cases of 200 to 300 percent increase in performance in some Linux supers due to some of the glitches. | Oct 13 13:25 |
| oiaohm | And there is most likely another 400 percent left to get out of some of them. | Oct 13 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Large the system the more damage a global lock does. | Oct 13 13:30 |
| oiaohm | large/Larger | Oct 13 13:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Autonomous Underwater Vehicle is #Debian Powered and a Winner http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28447/1090/ | Oct 13 13:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10 Impresses More Reviewers Weeks Before Release http://ur1.ca/di2r http://ur1.ca/di2s #gnu #linux | Oct 13 13:33 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I recall reading about it last year | Oct 13 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Well, IBM and others needs those improvement, do they'll merge them in sooner or later | Oct 13 13:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phone Platforms Available for One's #Desktop http://bit.ly/2VY6ee #pre #android | Oct 13 13:34 | |
| schestowitz | Taking AIX out gradually | Oct 13 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | Look how IRIX was replaced with Linux | Oct 13 13:34 |
| schestowitz | They have to do gradual phase-out | Oct 13 13:34 |
| schestowitz | IBM still trusts only AIX with jewels like z series | Oct 13 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Linux runs as VMs | Oct 13 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Lot have merge lot are still grunt work to go threw drivers and track down problems schestowitz | Oct 13 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Most are depending on what is in 2.6.32 at end of year for speed fault locating. | Oct 13 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | Just Australia? | Oct 13 13:39 |
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| oiaohm | Modern forms today are still used in places. | Oct 13 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Lot better design than the OLPC one since the Australian one can be moved as required. | Oct 13 13:42 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: I found a way | Oct 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | COlours? | Oct 13 13:42 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 13 13:42 |
| trmanco | may I? | Oct 13 13:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess Gets Boost from Expert Group, Downes Interviewed http://ur1.ca/di4m http://ur1.ca/di4n | Oct 13 13:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AstroTurf Galore: #Energy Giants, #Insurance Companies http://ur1.ca/di56 http://ur1.ca/di57 http://ur1.ca/di58 | Oct 13 14:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PSP Ruined by #DRM http://ur1.ca/di5k #fail #defectivebydesign | Oct 13 14:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Copyright Uses as Excuse for #Surveillance http://ur1.ca/di5q http://ur1.ca/di5r | Oct 13 14:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Brings Propaganda via Comics, Lawsuits, Tax http://ur1.ca/dgyo http://ur1.ca/di5v http://ur1.ca/di5w | Oct 13 14:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists (#RIAA ) Looking to Prosecute Blogger http://ur1.ca/di60 | Oct 13 14:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Newspapers #Cartel Revs up Attack on Internet http://ur1.ca/di66 http://ur1.ca/di67 http://ur1.ca/di6a | Oct 13 14:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Chomsky's #book s #banned at Guantánamo bay #prison camp #library http://bit.ly/1YqALw #censorship #p2 | Oct 13 14:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Chomsky's #book s #banned at Guantánamo bay #prison camp #library http://ur1.ca/di6h #censorship #p2 | Oct 13 14:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hat Fail http://post.ly/8NK5 | Oct 13 14:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Technology Companies Turn to #Trolls and Move to Litigation ( #USPTO a Disgrace) http://techdirt.com/articles/20091012/0211546483.shtml | Oct 13 14:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Chomsky's #book s #banned at Guantánamo bay #prison camp #library http://ur1.ca/di6p #censorship #p2 | Oct 13 14:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What #Microsoft Touches Microsoft Kills... #TMobile Dumps #Sidekick After #Windows Meltdown http://ur1.ca/di71 | Oct 13 14:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Head of #ODF TC Denounces #Microsoft for Poor ODF Support http://bit.ly/3Ykip9 | Oct 13 14:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Snubs #ODF in #Office 2010 Starter Edition http://twitter.com/zeropath/statuses/4806696012 | Oct 13 14:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Death of #MicrosoftWorks Good News for #OpenOffice.org http://bit.ly/xCSV8 | Oct 13 14:34 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft in Court Over #Spyware Allegations http://ur1.ca/di7k | Oct 13 14:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @thepublicdomain: #Nobel prize winner Elinor Ostrom on intellectual property, the #commons and the public domain!! http://bit.ly/SWpvA | Oct 13 14:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] :D ♫ http://blip.fm/~erdh1 | Oct 13 14:38 | |
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| trmanco | !google Microsoft blames | Oct 13 15:11 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Microsoft Blames Hotmail Data Leak on Possible Phishing Attack | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Microsoft-Blames-Hotmail-Data-Leak-on-Possible-Phishing-Attack-546897/ | Oct 13 15:11 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Sutil blames Kovalainen for crash - MSN Sport Malaysia | F1 | http://sport.malaysia.msn.com/formula1/article.aspx%3Fcp-documentid%3D3622077 | Oct 13 15:11 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Microsoft Blames Open Source for Sales Slump | http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-20/microsoft-blames-open-source-for-sales-slump-005186.php | Oct 13 15:11 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Microsoft Blames Vista 7 for Another Delay | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/30/vista-7-takes-the-blame/ | Oct 13 15:11 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 13 15:11 |
| P|scean | haha | Oct 13 15:12 |
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| DaemonFC | jono, I really mean that when I say that ubuntu-restricted-extras needs some TLC | Oct 13 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | it has been overgrown for a while | Oct 13 15:58 |
| jono | DaemonFC, I agree, would you be interested in helping to improve it? | Oct 13 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | it wouldn't be hard | Oct 13 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | strip out Sun Java on X86-64, and switch to 64-bit Flash | Oct 13 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | you also lose the ia32-libs dependencies | Oct 13 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | you cut the size of the metapackage in half | Oct 13 16:02 |
| jono | DaemonFC, sounds good, let me know how you get on or if you need any help | Oct 13 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | jono, Certainly there has to be someone responsible for that package? | Oct 13 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | it also litters in Microsoft fonts without asking | Oct 13 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | everytime I set up Ubuntu I have to pick through the list and see what to take | Oct 13 16:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Absolutely pig-sick of the nvidia binary video driver. Trying nouveau for a laugh. | Oct 13 16:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Did #Microsoft Kill Danger? http://bit.ly/xTTd | Oct 13 16:21 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Did Microsoft Kill Danger? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.2 KB | Oct 13 16:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Colour me surprised. Lovely dual-screen goodness via the nouveau driver. *hugs* to their developers. | Oct 13 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | ping Slated | Oct 13 16:35 |
| schestowitz | I can't find something on your site | Oct 13 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Spent like 10 minutes so far trying to find the bit where you show Microsoft running WIndows Update despite it being blocked | Oct 13 16:35 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: mind if I enable colors? | Oct 13 16:36 |
| schestowitz | jono: do you have the details you need regarding the call? I got no mail. | Oct 13 16:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: sure | Oct 13 16:37 |
| jono | schestowitz sorry was away yesterday, I will send it now | Oct 13 16:37 |
| trmanco | hah | Oct 13 16:37 |
| trmanco | [16:37] [Notice] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this command. | Oct 13 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Oct 13 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | It's enabled now | Oct 13 16:39 |
| trmanco | !google freenode | Oct 13 16:40 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Freenode | http://freenode.net/ | Oct 13 16:40 |
| phIRCe | [2] - About freenode: IRC Servers | http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml | Oct 13 16:40 |
| phIRCe | [3] - freenode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenode | Oct 13 16:40 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Freenode Java applet IRC portal | http://java.freenode.net/ | Oct 13 16:40 |
| MinceR | http://example.com/show-me-teh-kolorz | Oct 13 16:40 |
| trmanco | yep | Oct 13 16:40 |
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| MinceR | :) | Oct 13 16:40 |
| trmanco | it's just bold | Oct 13 16:40 |
| jono | schestowitzsent | Oct 13 16:40 |
| jono | schestowitz let me know if you got that ok | Oct 13 16:40 |
| Omar87 | http://bit.ly/29PC5y | Oct 13 16:50 |
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| Omar87 | "I'm affraid I can't do that." Do what? | Oct 13 16:50 |
| MinceR | whatever he wanted? | Oct 13 16:51 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, like as if he asks: "Can you remove that image?" and they respond: "Sorry, we can't do that." | Oct 13 16:52 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, Right? | Oct 13 16:53 |
| MinceR | i guess so | Oct 13 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | jono: just mailed you back | Oct 13 17:08 |
| jono | thanks schestowitz :) | Oct 13 17:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Gets Royal (Patch) Treatment, Windows XP in Court for “Spyware” Behaviour http://ur1.ca/dils | Oct 13 17:17 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Vista 7 Gets Royal (Patch) Treatment, Windows XP in Court for “Spyware” Behaviour | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.32 KB | Oct 13 17:17 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, it seems Microsoft can no longer spend a single month without being. ^^ | Oct 13 17:28 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it seems Microsoft can no longer spend a single month without being sure. ^^ | Oct 13 17:29 |
| Omar87 | sue*** | Oct 13 17:29 |
| Omar87 | sued***** >< | Oct 13 17:29 |
| schestowitz | That was always the case | Oct 13 17:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | goddamn omar | Oct 13 17:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | learn to type x_x | Oct 13 17:37 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, sorry, I'm kinda tired. | Oct 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | It happens to me too | Oct 13 17:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Stereotype of Copying the #Competition http://bit.ly/4aX8aP | Oct 13 17:43 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Stereotype of Copying the Competition | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.34 KB | Oct 13 17:43 |
| trmanco | more readable like that, don't you think? | Oct 13 17:43 |
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| Omar87 | trmanco, yeah. | Oct 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, depends on client | Oct 13 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Works in xchat too (bold) | Oct 13 18:22 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm, the open-source R600 drivers are quite nice | Oct 13 18:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Continues to Snub #ODF (and Why Microsoft is Losing This Battle) http://bit.ly/2KKdto | Oct 13 18:43 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft Continues to Snub ODF (and Why Microsoft is Losing This Battle) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 111.56 KB | Oct 13 18:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Is Carter-Ruck in contempt of Parliament?" http://bit.ly/2sEh9Y (first 5 min) - all 3 parties saying "fuck these people" HT @wikileaks | Oct 13 18:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @arusbridger Now support Newsnight which is being sued by #Trafigura and #carterRuck over toxic waste expose http://tinyurl.com/pqf4dt | Oct 13 18:47 | |
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| trmanco | who wants EDF scheduling? -> http://lwn.net/Articles/353797/ | Oct 13 18:48 |
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| trmanco | http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/10/13/akamai-rallies-on-rumor-of-google-bid/ | Oct 13 19:09 |
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| trmanco | if this is true, bing will someday be hosted on google :-P | Oct 13 19:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 13 19:12 |
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| trmanco | http://searchengineland.com/bing-in-space-google-too-27650 | Oct 13 19:24 |
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| MinceR | they shouldn't have brought charles simonyi back | Oct 13 19:26 |
| MinceR | and they also need to shoot ballmer and gates into space on a rocket | Oct 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they didn't | Oct 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Gravity did | Oct 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | [re: they shouldn't have brought charles simonyi back] | Oct 13 19:26 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: actually he would have burned up nicely in the atmosphere if it was only for gravity | Oct 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | But so it did for MarkS | Oct 13 19:27 |
| MinceR | it would count a lot more if instead of the bingo logo they'd go out themselves | Oct 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: enough.. | Oct 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Novell ruined Platspin.. http://www.ottawacitizen.com/travel/template+taking+time/829302/story.html | Oct 13 19:28 |
| trmanco | http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/10/13/facebook-now-has-30000-servers/ | Oct 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558412/palm-pre-uk-demand-outstrips-2007-iphone-takeup | Oct 13 19:30 |
| phIRCe | Title: Facebook Now Has 30,000 Servers « Data Center Knowledge .::. Size~: 71.09 KB | Oct 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | INITIAL DEMAND for the Palm Pre is expected to beat the Iphone at its launch, according to the latest poll. | Oct 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | The Pre is the UK’s most anticipated phone, with 26 per cent of mobile users expressing an interest in buying one. This is almost double the 16 per cent who said they would buy the iPhone before its launch in 2007. | Oct 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Nice. | Oct 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I've used Palm since 2002 | Oct 13 19:30 |
| schestowitz | It would be good seeing them succeed with Linux | Oct 13 19:30 |
| MinceR | it would be better seeing thems succeed without spying on their customers | Oct 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Just 30 firms dominate the Internet http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558384/just-firms-dominate-internet | Oct 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/abstracts.php?pt=MTQ1MyZuYW5vZzQ3&nm=nanog47 | Oct 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not spying | Oct 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Sharing their surveillance. | Oct 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Which is worse | Oct 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Enabling everyone to spy | Oct 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Omar87 wrote about this once | Oct 13 19:32 |
| MinceR | no, regular spying is being done by telcos, not phone manufacturers | Oct 13 19:32 |
| MinceR | also, s/thems/them/ | Oct 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558348/some-sidekick-recoverable "v" | Oct 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | "When the Vole bought Danger for the Pink Project it suddently discovered that Danger had unbreakable contractual obligations to T-Mobile's Sidekick and the outfit's engineers could not be reassigned to developing Microsoft's wished-for Iphone killer." | Oct 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, Faceb0rk | Oct 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Not Pre | Oct 13 19:34 |
| MinceR | who was talking about defacebook? | Oct 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Pre mitive | Oct 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Hehe;. | Oct 13 19:34 |
| MinceR | i was talking about collecting gps and installed software data and sending them home to palm | Oct 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Daf4ceb0rk | Oct 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: all phones get gps data | Oct 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not collect it permanently | Oct 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | not all phones even have gps hw | Oct 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | And also tecos | Oct 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Mostly telcos | Oct 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | and almost none of them actually send them to the manufacturer | Oct 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: too bad for those phones :-) | Oct 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | GPS is a trafeoof | Oct 13 19:36 |
| MinceR | no, gps is a feature | Oct 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | PLUS, just being on a network gives them your location | Oct 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | They can see what distance apart from antennas you are | Oct 13 19:36 |
| MinceR | that's not gps and not as accurate as gps | Oct 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | And don't think it's not being exploted, quietly. | Oct 13 19:36 |
| MinceR | and again, the manufacturer doesn't see that, only the telco | Oct 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | RMS goes further by snubbing Oyster here in London | Oct 13 19:37 |
| MinceR | and it's very hard to design a phone that isn't trackable that way | Oct 13 19:37 |
| MinceR | if you're using ground infrastructure | Oct 13 19:37 |
| MinceR | i had an idea but it's less efficient than current cell phone networks | Oct 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: sure, you can't tell what house exactly the person visited, but.... | Oct 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | In post-mortem or people on 'the list' you can approximate based on friends on the person and their addresses | Oct 13 19:38 |
| MinceR | (basically, keeping the phone offline and broadcasting incoming call requests via a pager-like system, then the phone owner can decide whether to receive the call. if so, the phone goes online normally.) | Oct 13 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Then you also have fabeb0rk to determine who is whose friend | Oct 13 19:38 |
| MinceR | another idea would be a peer-to-peer wireless mesh network | Oct 13 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes, scary, eh? | Oct 13 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Same for Internet | Oct 13 19:38 |
| schestowitz | No filtering | Oct 13 19:38 |
| schestowitz | So they would have no billing ability | Oct 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Then spread some "pedo" FUD | Oct 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | And "Terrorism" | Oct 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | As though terrorists can't just talk face to face | Oct 13 19:39 |
| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Oct/1023003.html | Oct 13 19:39 |
| phIRCe | Title: SecurityTracker.com Archives - Windows Kernel Lets Local Users Gain Elevated Privileges or Deny Service .::. Size~: 18.27 KB | Oct 13 19:39 |
| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Oct/1023002.html | Oct 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Snow Leopard deletes users' data http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558340/snow-leopard-deletes-users | Oct 13 19:39 |
| phIRCe | Title: SecurityTracker.com Archives - Microsoft Internet Explorer Flaws Let Remote Users Execute Arbitrary Code .::. Size~: 22.24 KB | Oct 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing those surgeons that work on kidneys don't use the Snot Leopard | Oct 13 19:40 |
| MinceR | depends on whose kidneys | Oct 13 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Oct 13 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Could be family | Oct 13 19:40 |
| MinceR | i think jobs should definitely go for the "eating your own dog food" idea here. | Oct 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Gates too | Oct 13 19:41 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | He was in Romania | Oct 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | 2007 IIRC | Oct 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | He said he would trust Vista on life support machines!!! | Oct 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Vista !!!!!! | Oct 13 19:41 |
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| MinceR | he should beta test it himself. | Oct 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | !google gates romania life support vista | Oct 13 19:41 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Bill Gates: Vista is so secure it could run life support systems ... | http://www.our-picks.com/archives/2007/02/01/bill-gates-vista-is-so-secure-it-could-run-life-support-systems/ | Oct 13 19:41 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Microsoft Corporation | http://www.microsoft.com/ | Oct 13 19:41 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Doctors' Gadgets » Bill Gates says Vista can run Life Support Systems | http://www.doctorsgadgets.com/bill-gates-says-vista-can-run-life-support-systems.html | Oct 13 19:41 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Bill Gates Launched Windows Vista in Romania - Basescu celebrates ... | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Bill-Gates-Launched-Windows-Vista-in-Romania-46033.shtml | Oct 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, Gates has provate healthcare | Oct 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they bring the clinic to his house on a trailer | Oct 13 19:42 |
| koe | Hi all. | Oct 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Like Sun BlackBox | Oct 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | With Solaris | Oct 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Something that'\s reliable | Oct 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Hey, koe | Oct 13 19:42 |
| MinceR | i want to see a video of him as his life support goes BSoD | Oct 13 19:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558332/google-board-loses-apple "GOOGLE HAS LOST one of its most high profile board members in an apparent move to quell regulators’ fears the web giant is colluding with Apple." | Oct 13 19:43 |
| koe | The Commission of the European Union is gathering feedback on two antitrust cases related to Microsoft. | Oct 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Browser and interop? | Oct 13 19:43 |
| koe | BOTH: | Oct 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes, GL covered it | Oct 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I have bad experience with EU COmmission | Oct 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | So I won't bother | Oct 13 19:44 |
| koe | Is there a collective effort by Boycott Novell dudes to send some feedback. | Oct 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/09/ec-commission-panel-subversion/ | Oct 13 19:44 |
| phIRCe | Title: European Commission Still Protects Microsoft Lobbyists | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.15 KB | Oct 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | koe: I mentioned it yesterday | Oct 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | But I won't walk the walk | Oct 13 19:44 |
| koe | Well - some other dudes than you?? | Oct 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of filling in forms and mailing them in vain | Oct 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | If only to show how utterly screwed this system is | Oct 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR will do it! :-) | Oct 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Armed with 3 fresh eggs :-p | Oct 13 19:46 |
| MinceR | eggs won't do it | Oct 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they will | Oct 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | They make good breakfast | Oct 13 19:46 |
| MinceR | an army of robots would | Oct 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Worked for ballmer | Oct 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | !google ballmer kroes lunch | Oct 13 19:46 |
| phIRCe | [1] - The Antitrust Hotch Potch: Ballmer's Meeting with Kroes over ... | http://professorgeradin.blogs.com/professor_geradins_weblog/2005/04/ballmer_meeting.html | Oct 13 19:46 |
| phIRCe | [2] - The Antitrust Hotch Potch: April 2005 | http://professorgeradin.blogs.com/professor_geradins_weblog/2005/04/index.html | Oct 13 19:46 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Samba | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/category/samba/ | Oct 13 19:46 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Microsoft changes Vista over antitrust concerns - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/Microsoft-changes-Vista-over-antitrust-concerns/2100-1016_3-6125560.html | Oct 13 19:46 |
| koe | Anyway. I spent two days making this feedback to the Commission. | Oct 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot! | Oct 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't know anyone else who does that | Oct 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Except lobbyists and companies | Oct 13 19:47 |
| koe | Well. I did not send it yet.... | Oct 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Those 'who matter' | Oct 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | koe: will you also publish it? | Oct 13 19:47 |
| schestowitz | BN can publish a copy if you want | Oct 13 19:48 |
| koe | Well. I guess I publish the final version in my web site. | Oct 13 19:48 |
| schestowitz | That's how it works these days | Oct 13 19:48 |
| trmanco | wow | Oct 13 19:48 |
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| trmanco | 64 bit firefox | Oct 13 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 13 19:48 | |
| trmanco | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/firefox-3.7a1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 | Oct 13 19:48 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/x-bzip2 type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 13 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Oct 13 19:48 |
| koe | IS there dudes that want to refresh some idea with these two feedback proposals to the Commission?? | Oct 13 19:49 |
| koe | ideas. | Oct 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | koe: we can edit it together | Oct 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | In a wiki | Oct 13 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I can ask others to run through it, if they have the patience | Oct 13 19:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] LOL!.. RT @iyermatter: "What's an agriculturist?" "You know, like a real world Farmville user." "Ah, OK." | Oct 13 19:51 | |
| koe | They must have patience, it is some 30 pages at the moment, and more coming tomorrow. | Oct 13 19:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cisco buys mobile broadband firm < http://ping.fm/6IMzl > 3bn. Wow. | Oct 13 19:52 | |
| phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | Business | Cisco buys mobile broadband firm .::. Size~: 47.99 KB | Oct 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | MSBBC on Snot: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8304229.stm | Oct 13 19:52 |
| phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 84.29 KB | Oct 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Still no article about the Danger Moment | Oct 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | koe: I'd go through it | Oct 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I tend to add text rather than detract any, so I'm not a nuisance to it | Oct 13 19:53 |
| koe | Will I send the PDF fileS to some email address??? | Oct 13 19:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Manchester Airport adds pr0n for the workers: http://ping.fm/xeFaM | Oct 13 19:54 | |
| phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | UK | 'Naked' scanner in airport trial .::. Size~: 56.11 KB | Oct 13 19:54 |
| trmanco | http://pplware.sapo.pt/2009/10/13/microsoft-bloqueia-linux/ | Oct 13 19:54 |
| trmanco | microsoft is blocking linux again | Oct 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz | koe: it would be hard to edit | Oct 13 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Can you add a page to the wiki? http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | Oct 13 19:55 |
| phIRCe | Title: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.15 KB | Oct 13 19:55 |
| koe | Well. I could do that... | Oct 13 19:56 |
| koe | Well. On the other hand, It is still some 30 pages... | Oct 13 19:57 |
| koe | What if I send the ODF file to edit at the first place?? | Oct 13 19:58 |
| schestowitz | It won't show diffs | Oct 13 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Not without plugins or somehting | Oct 13 19:58 |
| koe | That is true... | Oct 13 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I hate office suites | Oct 13 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I use lyx for docs | Oct 13 19:59 |
| koe | May be I make some version two (2) during this week and then add my "Final" version to the wiki, and then Boycott Novell dudes can edit it. | Oct 13 20:00 |
| koe | Is it possible to extract PDF from the wiki?? | Oct 13 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://ragingdebate.com/politics/goldman-sachs-in-talks-to-acquire-treasury | Oct 13 20:05 |
| phIRCe | Title: RagingDebate.com » Politics » Goldman Sachs in Talks to Acquire Treasury .::. Size~: 14.73 KB | Oct 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | koe: sounds good | Oct 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | koe: how do you make the pdf? | Oct 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I assume some conversion from text | Oct 13 20:06 |
| koe_ | Well. From ODF to PDF | Oct 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Ah. | Oct 13 20:06 |
| koe_ | OpenOffice. | Oct 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | That's one of the advantages of Google Docs | Oct 13 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | [not that I'd use it] | Oct 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Collaboration is made easy | Oct 13 20:07 |
| koe_ | I Never have used Google Docs. | Oct 13 20:07 |
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| koe_ | Well. I will inform about new version. | Oct 13 20:12 |
| schestowitz | fewa could help editing | Oct 13 20:12 |
| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Oct/1023006.html http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Oct/1023005.html http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Oct/1023004.html and some more | Oct 13 20:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: SecurityTracker.com Archives - Microsoft GDI+ Overflows Let Remote Users Execute Arbitrary Code .::. Size~: 22.16 KB | Oct 13 20:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: SecurityTracker.com Archives - Windows Media Format Runtime Flaws Let Remote Users Execute Arbitrary Code .::. Size~: 17.82 KB | Oct 13 20:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: SecurityTracker.com Archives - Windows Server Message Block Validation Errors Let Remote Users Deny Service and Execute Arbitrary Code .::. Size~: 16.18 KB | Oct 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | fewa: BTW, the electric cars film was not very good. I finished watching it today. | Oct 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah, Patch Tuesday | Oct 13 20:13 |
| fewa | meh, guess not well done | Oct 13 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Biggest ever. | Oct 13 20:13 |
| fewa | its just i didn't know about it | Oct 13 20:13 |
| fewa | well, anyways | Oct 13 20:13 |
| koe_ | Yes. It is massive update. I am just installing it. | Oct 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/13/prison_phones/ | Oct 13 20:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: One cellphone for every ten lags in UK prisons • The Register .::. Size~: 21.94 KB | Oct 13 20:15 |
| koe_ | fewa: what about that editing proposal? | Oct 13 20:15 |
| schestowitz | I need to reboot for my updates too in a moment. I use a beta version, so fingers crossed | Oct 13 20:15 |
| fewa | paste it | Oct 13 20:15 |
| fewa | i just entered | Oct 13 20:15 |
| koe_ | Well. It is that 30 pages still.. | Oct 13 20:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/13/google_folder_sharing_rentokil/ | Oct 13 20:16 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Docs gets jiggy with folder sharing • The Register .::. Size~: 24.08 KB | Oct 13 20:16 |
| fewa | i dont know what is being talked about | Oct 13 20:17 |
| fewa | i just joined | Oct 13 20:17 |
| koe_ | Well. About giving feedback to the Commission of European Union about two antitrust cases related Microsoft. | Oct 13 20:18 |
| trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091006211624143 | Oct 13 20:18 |
| phIRCe | Title: Groklaw - Final Bilski Briefs Filed - Microsoft, Google, FFII, ABA, etc. .::. Size~: 98.14 KB | Oct 13 20:18 |
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| trmanco | http://blog.ofset.org/ckhung/index.php?post/09ag | Oct 13 20:21 |
| phIRCe | Title: How to Advocate for/against Mono Convincingly - Chao-Kuei's Notes | 資訊.人.權.貴 隨便記 .::. Size~: 21.34 KB | Oct 13 20:21 |
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| trmanco | A little hard to read because of the fonts, but it seems to be worth it | Oct 13 20:21 |
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| trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzYwOA | Oct 13 20:24 |
| phIRCe | Title: [Phoronix] AMD Releases OpenCL ATI GPU Support For Linux .::. Size~: 15.77 KB | Oct 13 20:24 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/10/want-a-cheap-linux-computer-jo.html | Oct 13 20:24 |
| MinceR | let me guess: the offer doesn't apply in hungary | Oct 13 20:26 |
| trmanco | http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2009/2886 | Oct 13 20:26 |
| trmanco | oh | Oct 13 20:26 |
| trmanco | they fixed it | Oct 13 20:26 |
| MinceR | "I work for the evil HP and the employee discount is usually about 5% off MSRP. Yes, we can purchase gear at prices WELL ABOVE the price offered at retail outlets." | Oct 13 20:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/snow_leopard_data_eating_bug/ | Oct 13 20:27 |
| phIRCe | Title: Fanbois howl over data-munching Snow Leopard bug • The Register .::. Size~: 24.33 KB | Oct 13 20:27 |
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| MinceR | that's how it "Just Works" | Oct 13 20:28 |
| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/10/next-gen-nokia-linux-devices-will-get-multitouch-and-qt-ui.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss | Oct 13 20:28 |
| phIRCe | Title: Next-gen Nokia Linux devices will get multitouch and Qt UI - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 44.86 KB | Oct 13 20:28 |
| koe_ | http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/happy_9th_birthday_openoffice_org | Oct 13 20:28 |
| phIRCe | Title: Happy 9th Birthday OpenOffice.org! - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 57.53 KB | Oct 13 20:28 |
| koe_ | Well. I quit now. | Oct 13 20:30 |
| trmanco | http://www.embedded.com/columns/guest/220600346?cid=RSSfeed_embedded_news | Oct 13 20:32 |
| phIRCe | Title: Embedded.com - Is Linux bloated? Hardly .::. Size~: 80.89 KB | Oct 13 20:32 |
| schestowitz | koe_: back later? | Oct 13 20:33 |
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| trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139307/Microsoft_delivers_massive_Patch_Tuesday_fixes_34_flaws?source=rss_news | Oct 13 20:36 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft delivers massive Patch Tuesday, fixes 34 flaws .::. Size~: 136.3 KB | Oct 13 20:36 |
| trmanco | 34 :O | Oct 13 20:36 |
| trmanco | "Unlucky 13 updates plug multiple 'zero-day' holes, including one Microsoft had kept secret until now" | Oct 13 20:36 |
| schestowitz | what's 34 between friends? | Oct 13 20:38 |
| schestowitz | SC-34 | Oct 13 20:38 |
| MinceR | rule 34? | Oct 13 20:38 |
| schestowitz | !google sc34 microsoft corruption | Oct 13 20:38 |
| phIRCe | [1] - ODF: Microsoft Gets Its Way in Seattle, Washington | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/19/odf-iso-sc34-grab/ | Oct 13 20:38 |
| phIRCe | [2] - SC 34 Meetings, Prague, Days 2, 3 & 4 | http://www.adjb.net/post/SC-34-Meetings-Prague-Days-2-3-4.aspx | Oct 13 20:38 |
| phIRCe | [3] - 23 February 2009 1 BACKGROUND ON MICROSOFT'S INTEROPERABILITY ... | http://download.microsoft.com/documents/UK/Danmark/office/Background_on_Interoperability_FINAL.pdf | Oct 13 20:38 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Alex Brown: ISO committee takes full control of OOXML - Notes2Self.net | http://notes2self.net/archive/2008/04/10/alex-brown-iso-committee-takes-full-control-of-ooxml.aspx | Oct 13 20:38 |
| MinceR | though i'd rather not see rule 34 of patch tuesday. | Oct 13 20:38 |
| trmanco | heh | Oct 13 20:39 |
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| *schestowitz just got good results from an experiment | Oct 13 20:39 | |
| trmanco | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/intel-results-to-shed-light-on-techs-trajectory-2009-10-13?siteid=rss&rss=1 | Oct 13 20:41 |
| phIRCe | Title: Intel results to shed light on tech's trajectory - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 89.5 KB | Oct 13 20:41 |
| schestowitz | They don't | Oct 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Intel != industry | Oct 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Intel = criminal oligarch that bribes and then shreds evidence | Oct 13 20:42 |
| schestowitz | If industry = Fortune 500, then..... | Oct 13 20:43 |
| MinceR | looks like most of this industry is made of criminals | Oct 13 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Oct 13 20:55 |
| schestowitz | If I don't come back, then I have issues with this beta :-S | Oct 13 20:55 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 13 21:05:46 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Oct 13 21:05 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Oct 13 21:05 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri Jun 12 18:24:05 2009 | Oct 13 21:05 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Oct 13 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | It fscked my HDD | Oct 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | But all fine again | Oct 13 21:06 |
| MinceR | fsck doesn't normally do harm to data :) | Oct 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | jono: this beta's fsck gives no progress bar like it did in 7.04 for example | Oct 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: just takes longer to boot | Oct 13 21:07 |
| jono | schestowitz could you file a bug for that? | Oct 13 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I had some things to sort out around the house anyway | Oct 13 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | jono: sure | Oct 13 21:07 |
| jono | ubuntu-bug fsck should do it | Oct 13 21:07 |
| jono | thanks | Oct 13 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if it's a bug, BUT... | Oct 13 21:07 |
| jono | np | Oct 13 21:07 |
| schestowitz | For a caveman (I don't want to use age or gender here) it would be deceiving | Oct 13 21:07 |
| jono | indeed | Oct 13 21:08 |
| jono | that should be fixed | Oct 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | It just hangs there with technical jargon for like 10 minutes | Oct 13 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | jono: launchpad is unwelcoming to new bug reports | Oct 13 21:16 |
| schestowitz | It redirects to the Ubuntu Web site with instructions | Oct 13 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it's done so by design to keep n00b bug reports out | Oct 13 21:17 |
| jono | schestowitz yeah, the reason for this is that most bug reports work like this: | Oct 13 21:19 |
| jono | 1. person files bug | Oct 13 21:19 |
| jono | 2. triager has to ask reporter to provide bug reporting data | Oct 13 21:19 |
| jono | 3. reporter often loses interest and never sends bug reporting data or gets confused at all the confusing commands we ask them to run and attach to the report | Oct 13 21:20 |
| jono | 4. we end of up thousands of bug reports which need this debugging data and they clog up the tracker | Oct 13 21:20 |
| jono | as such, we now ask people to use ubuntu-bug, a tool which grabs this bug reporting data automatically and files the bug | Oct 13 21:21 |
| jono | it just saves the big run-around, gets us better bug reports and unburdens our community of triagers | Oct 13 21:21 |
| *Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect | Oct 13 21:22 | |
| MinceR | launchpad correctly starts with checking if the bug was already reported | Oct 13 21:28 |
| trmanco | I can't get webgl to work with FF 3.7 yet | Oct 13 21:29 |
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| trmanco | Canvas 3D: creating PBuffer... | Oct 13 21:29 |
| trmanco | nsGLPbufferGLX: gActiveBuffers: 1 | Oct 13 21:30 |
| trmanco | Canvas 3D: GLX_SGIX_pbuffer not supported | Oct 13 21:30 |
| trmanco | nsGLPbufferOSMESA: gActiveBuffers: 1 | Oct 13 21:30 |
| trmanco | Can't find symbol 'OSMesaCreateContextExt' | Oct 13 21:30 |
| trmanco | maybe my outdated libGL.so doesn't support it yet | Oct 13 21:30 |
| schestowitz | FF 3.7 has some other cool new stuff | Oct 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz | But I hardly use it anymore. ThunderBrowse FTW. | Oct 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Gartner does the shilling again: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4227 | Oct 13 21:32 |
| schestowitz | The same Gartner that promoted Vista!! | Oct 13 21:32 |
| schestowitz | The same one that worked with Microsoft behind the scenes to defend Vista | Oct 13 21:32 |
| schestowitz | She also does some damage control. http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4219 | Oct 13 21:33 |
| trmanco | I still can't figure out why the bot can't pick up these urls | Oct 13 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I remember the time when MJ was actually doing some real analysis and not just Microsoft PR | Oct 13 21:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: your bot is docile | Oct 13 21:33 |
| schestowitz | It keeps out of c* sites like ZeeDee | Oct 13 21:33 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 13 21:34 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet's engine works like this; if {clueless_PHB=true}, whitepaper.serve() else serve blogContent.MicrosoftEmployee(); if bot, abort... | Oct 13 21:35 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 13 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Bong-sponsored blog promotes Bong: http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10/photo_microsoft_bing_on_a_rocket.html?ana=from_rss | Oct 13 21:36 |
| schestowitz | See how it works? | Oct 13 21:36 |
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| trmanco | yeah :-P | Oct 13 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft drops some money for blogs to mention it's Google KilLah | Oct 13 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Sellouts. | Oct 13 21:36 |
| schestowitz | BN has just made the FP of Linux Today | Oct 13 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I get this error when I try to use WebGL in Firefox 3.7 -> http://pastebin.com/m4a596905 || Can anybody help me on this? !firefox #firefox | Oct 13 21:39 | |
| phIRCe | Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool .::. Size~: 11.46 KB | Oct 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz | LF still works on a workaround for OGL3 patents... | Oct 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/10/13/Oracle-Open-World-2009 | Oct 13 21:41 |
| phIRCe | Title: ongoing · Big Red .::. Size~: 9.51 KB | Oct 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Phipps on Danger: Epic Fail. http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/links_for_2009_10_12 | Oct 13 21:42 |
| phIRCe | Title: ☞ Monday Links [on Simon Phipps, SunMink] .::. Size~: 31.37 KB | Oct 13 21:42 |
| schestowitz | We’ve heard this from what appears to be several sources and it seems to hold weight. Needless to say it all boils down to one thing: Microsoft did not have a working backup. | Oct 13 21:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hiptop3.com/archives/what-caused-the-sidekick-fail/ | Oct 13 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | "How this happens in today’s day and age is beyond belief. Hundreds of thousands of customers that generate millions of dollars in revenue means you back their stuff up, in triplicate." | Oct 13 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Asay on the high horse again... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10371755-16.html?part=rss&subj=TheOpenRoad | Oct 13 21:43 |
| phIRCe | Title: Can open source stop navel gazing and get real? | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 127.13 KB | Oct 13 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Is he calling us sheep? | Oct 13 21:43 |
| schestowitz | http://themannahattaproject.org/ | Oct 13 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Phipps: "This is a fascinating site to browse, showing how the land was before New Amsterdam and then New York came to fill every inch. Next time I'm in New York I want to visit this site to find out about the places I'll be visiting. Adding further layers from history (such as the British Headquarters Map) would be great too." | Oct 13 21:44 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux-love/2009/10/hidden_linux_learning_to_love_1.html :-D | Oct 13 21:48 |
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| MinceR | why link to that clown asay? | Oct 13 21:48 |
| schestowitz | jono: are you keeping in touch with Haeger? I was just going past his blog and remembered you were friends and he changed career path | Oct 13 21:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not a clown | Oct 13 21:55 |
| jono | schestowitz I keep in touch with him sometimes | Oct 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | I just want to keep track of what he says cause he's disparaging FOSS a lot recently. | Oct 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Especially the "F" in it | Oct 13 21:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: meaning? saying bad stuff about the freedom in open source? | Oct 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | jono: in 2006 he said we should meet in radiolug | Oct 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | That was before the Novell/Microsoft deal. I was chatting with Ted a little | Oct 13 21:57 |
| jono | right | Oct 13 21:57 |
| jono | he is a good guy | Oct 13 21:57 |
| schestowitz | He didn't like the deal | Oct 13 21:57 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: he never likes Stallman and them guys | Oct 13 21:57 |
| schestowitz | He told me he spoke to Eben and all, but it's complicated with him and RMS because Matt is very pro-big money | Oct 13 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I think Matt was close to working for Microsoft, but I can't recall the details | Oct 13 21:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Free Software and open source, the terms get confussing, I thought Free Software is more about the moral issues the advantages of the code being available, where as with open source it's more about being a development model | Oct 13 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | a good development model above | Oct 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Could be both | Oct 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Matt is a *very* smart guy, I hope he doesn't turn against the moral causes of FOSS | Oct 13 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | plus free usauly means as in price, so you got to explain really that it means freedom and what that means, when explainng to people that don't really know about it, | Oct 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | 7 Reasons Why I Have NOT Switched To Google Chrome From Firefox < http://pthree.org/2009/10/12/7-reasons-why-i-have-not-switched-to-google-chrome-from-firefox/ > | Oct 13 22:00 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also I thought Stallman himself doesn't really want it to be called FOSS | Oct 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it takes 3 seconds to explain, as RMS puts it | Oct 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't, but FS means filesystem | Oct 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz | FLOSS means something you stick to take out bacteria and plaque | Oct 13 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | yeah that's a point FS means file system | Oct 13 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | and FLOSS still says open source, and he wants people to call it free software I thought | Oct 13 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | as for your comment for the meaning of FLOSS I am not sure about that | Oct 13 22:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_juniper&num=1 | Oct 13 22:07 |
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| trmanco | :O | Oct 13 22:10 |
| trmanco | MSIE Content-Encoding: deflate memory corruption vulnerability | Oct 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I try to say "free software" where oit | Oct 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | *where it's valid | Oct 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | With the exception of Linux w/o GNU (mostly devices and phones), I write GNU/Linux | Oct 13 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I say freesoftware/opensource since the terms are confussing | Oct 13 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: depletion of language | Oct 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Foes of Free software dilute those terms | Oct 13 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | meaning? | Oct 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | People like Orwell and Chomsky wrote about it | Oct 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | They ruins our vocabulary | Oct 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | This way you can't get across points with std linguistic | Oct 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Anarchist for example means some "feral scary ruiner" in people's mind | Oct 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Not a person who prefers freedom frokm authority | Oct 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | "Terrorism" means guy with beard, usually Muslim | Oct 13 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | that's not true | Oct 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | But many countries including the US and the UK commit terrorism | Oct 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it's connotations | Oct 13 22:13 |
| mutex_ | or a US citizen in a Rider truck | Oct 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Oct 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Not anymore | Oct 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | !google schneier maine bomb terrorist | Oct 13 22:13 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Schneier on Security: Maine Man Tries to Build a Dirty Bomb | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/02/maine_man_tries.html | Oct 13 22:13 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Schneier on Security: Wal-Mart Stays Open During Bomb Scare | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/12/walmart_stays_o.html | Oct 13 22:13 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Digital Agenda: Homeland security roundtable - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/Digital-Agenda-Homeland-security-roundtable/2009-1009_3-5406123.html | Oct 13 22:13 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Crossing the Line | http://artvoice.com/issues/v5n24/crossing_the_line | Oct 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | "No one cares, probably because he isn't Muslim. White supremacist terrorism just isn't sexy these days." | Oct 13 22:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @tugatronica: Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. LOL | Oct 13 22:15 | |
| mutex_ | I dont see much terrorism as sexy in any way or form :) | Oct 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | !google sexy terrorist | Oct 13 22:19 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Sexy Terrorist - She's the Bomb | http://www.zoogstercostumes.com/products/dg4451.html | Oct 13 22:19 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Very sexy terrorist slave costume. - CollegeHumor picture | http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1717037 | Oct 13 22:19 |
| phIRCe | [3] - YouTube - I'm Too Muslim Sexy (Terrorist Musical) | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DljTtx9IC0bA | Oct 13 22:19 |
| phIRCe | [4] - A sexy terrorist - | http://www.welaf.com/funny-picture-10934.html | Oct 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist | Oct 13 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | "Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion." | Oct 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Very broad term | Oct 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Catches many activities | Oct 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | But associated mentally with bombs and stuff | Oct 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Financial strangulations can also be a form of terrorism | Oct 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | The bankers in the US terrorised senators too | Oct 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | So they committed terrorism to accomplish financial objectives (bailout, aka looting) | Oct 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | !google schneier terrorism cheapening | Oct 13 22:22 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Schneier on Security: The Continuing Cheapening of the Word ... | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/the_continuing_2.html | Oct 13 22:22 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Schneier on Security: The Continued Cheapening of the Word "Terrorism" | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/07/the_continued_c.html | Oct 13 22:22 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Road rage = "terroristic threat" - Cyclelicious | http://www.cyclelicio.us/2009/08/road-rage-terroristic-threat.html | Oct 13 22:22 |
| phIRCe | [4] - MemeStreams | Curiouser and Curiouser | http://www.memestreams.net/users/acidus/page4/ | Oct 13 22:22 |
| schestowitz | The whole "Core" model is again being lumped into OSS: v | Oct 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/open-source-cms-concrete5-adds-ecommerce-module-005737.php | Oct 13 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/10/12/238091/rentokil-deploys-google-apps-to-35000.htm | Oct 13 22:29 |
| phIRCe | Title: Rentokil deploys Google Apps to 35,000 | 12 Oct 2009 | ComputerWeekly.com .::. Size~: 57.3 KB | Oct 13 22:29 |
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| TheMadHatter_ | This one's disturbing. The judge has decided that an IP number isn't personally indentifiable information, even if it can identify a computer, and where he goes wrong of course is that if you can identify a computer, you can identify it's owner. | Oct 13 22:42 |
| TheMadHatter_ | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10/microsoft_still_fighting_claim_it_gave_spyware_to_xp_users.html | Oct 13 22:42 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft still fighting claim it distributed 'spyware' to XP users .::. Size~: 46.56 KB | Oct 13 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, TheMadHatter_ | Oct 13 22:46 |
| trmanco | http://imgur.com/DgObr.jpg | Oct 13 22:46 |
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| trmanco | heh | Oct 13 22:46 |
| trmanco | found this here -> http://identi.ca/notice/11980154 | Oct 13 22:46 |
| phIRCe | Title: Jono Bacon (jonobacon) 's status on Tuesday, 13-Oct-09 21:25:33 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.42 KB | Oct 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it rots after a while | Oct 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | But the data would not | Oct 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | !google apple massive deletes | Oct 13 22:47 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Apple - Support - Discussions - Time machine wants to do a massive ... | http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa%3FmessageID%3D10244228 | Oct 13 22:47 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard bug deletes all user data - Mac ... | http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm%3FRSS%26NewsID%3D27403 | Oct 13 22:47 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Re: First sync in Leopard reports deletes for every event | http://lists.apple.com/archives/syncservices-dev/2007/Oct/msg00034.html | Oct 13 22:47 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Bugs & Fixes: Apple TV deletes files | Apple TV | Mac 911 | Macworld | http://www.macworld.com/article/141271/2009/06/appletv_files.html | Oct 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | @google shiny apple logo | Oct 13 22:48 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newsfactor.com/blog_article.php?aid=2395932 | Oct 13 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.thelantern.com/opinion/president-obama-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-zulu-concept-ubuntu-explains-why-1.667398 | Oct 13 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Obamaaa promotes the Ubuntu brand | Oct 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | So do the Boston Celtics | Oct 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Good Pee Are (PR) | Oct 13 22:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Record number of patches for Windows? http://tinyurl.com/yh5ww4d #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #win7 | Oct 13 22:51 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Record number of patches for Windows? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 34.76 KB | Oct 13 22:51 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/tb/9tpek | Oct 13 22:52 |
| phIRCe | Title: I was at work installing drivers when I suddenly got a Disk Read Error. I ejected the tray and ... (Pics) via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.39 KB | Oct 13 22:52 |
| trmanco | :O | Oct 13 22:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Trafigura drops bid to gag Guardian over MP's question | Media | The Guardian http://tinyurl.com/yl4quac | Oct 13 22:52 | |
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| schestowitz | Trafigura story is shocking, undercovered | Oct 13 22:57 |
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| trmanco | http://tinyurl.com/yh5ww4d | Oct 13 22:59 |
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| trmanco | eh | Oct 13 22:59 |
| trmanco | found the strange char | Oct 13 22:59 |
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| trmanco | OPEN BYTES S cave | Oct 13 23:00 |
| trmanco | lo | Oct 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2009/10/13/iphones-as-tagged-fish/ | Oct 13 23:00 |
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| trmanco-irssi | maybe I should start using irssi | Oct 13 23:01 |
| trmanco-irssi | this stuff looks great | Oct 13 23:01 |
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| trmanco | http://www.w3.org/ | Oct 13 23:17 |
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| trmanco | wow | Oct 13 23:17 |
| trmanco | new design | Oct 13 23:17 |
| trmanco | is it compliant? | Oct 13 23:17 |
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| trmanco | oh yeah | Oct 13 23:19 |
| trmanco | This document was successfully checked as XHTML 1.0 Strict! | Oct 13 23:19 |
| trmanco | Strict! | Oct 13 23:19 |
| trmanco | nice and clean | Oct 13 23:20 |
| trmanco | I like it | Oct 13 23:20 |
| trmanco | but now I can't find stuff that was on it's old design | Oct 13 23:20 |
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| trmanco | found it | Oct 13 23:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "open data" site factual.com TOS: "You may not sell, resell, redistribute, sublicense, or transfer..." http://is.gd/4idV9 #fail #fail #fail | Oct 13 23:26 | |
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| trmanco | time to go | Oct 13 23:31 |
| trmanco | gn everyone | Oct 13 23:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WashingtonPost Offers #GNU #Linux as Advice for Online #Banking http://ur1.ca/djip | Oct 13 23:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Scheduling Improved, Discussed http://lwn.net/Articles/354690/ http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/356576/67d6daf94e2fd841/ | Oct 13 23:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is NOT Bloated http://www.embedded.com/columns/guest/220600346 | Oct 13 23:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenCL #ATI #GPU Added to Linux http://bit.ly/4c440M | Oct 13 23:58 | |
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