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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, still here | Oct 15 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Mostly posting stuff before getting some sleep | Oct 15 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well the link I gave hmm at the things Microsoft will do to advertise Vista Version 2 I guess | Oct 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but why give it visibility? | Oct 15 00:10 |
| schestowitz | It's like those viral ads | Oct 15 00:10 |
| schestowitz | It's more useful to ignore it | Oct 15 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: luckily I don't like Family Guy that much anymore, but it's still ashame that they done a deal with Microsoft | Oct 15 00:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenStreetMap Extends Its Reach http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8305924.stm | Oct 15 00:14 | |
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| Xarver | sebsebseb: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | Oct 15 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | Xarver: hmm? | Oct 15 00:16 |
| Xarver | I love Family Guy | Oct 15 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | Xarver: You still do after the bad news? | Oct 15 00:16 |
| voltronw | sebsebseb: microsoft also did vista marketing with jerry seinfeid and demetri martin | Oct 15 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | voltronw: yes I heard about the Vista marketting with Jerry Seinfeild | Oct 15 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | well I don't watch Seinfield so :D | Oct 15 00:17 |
| Xarver | Yes, but I don't care for that really | Oct 15 00:17 |
| sebsebseb | voltronw: and demetri martin who is that? | Oct 15 00:17 |
| voltronw | sebsebseb: a comedian | Oct 15 00:17 |
| sebsebseb | I find a lot of comedy to not be that great really, well I love South Park | Oct 15 00:18 |
| voltronw | sebsebseb: clearly, you have exquisite tastes | Oct 15 00:19 |
| voltronw | voltronw: didn't south park do a whole episode about guitar hero? | Oct 15 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | you messaged yourself, and yes they did | Oct 15 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | and one about World of Warcraft | Oct 15 00:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tiananmen Square Film Censored Using #IntellectualMonopolies http://ur1.ca/dmgv | Oct 15 00:20 | |
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| schestowitz | Family Guy and Jackass too | Oct 15 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tried to buy some 'cool' street cred | Oct 15 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: What about Jackass? | Oct 15 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Johnny Knoxville... | Oct 15 00:22 |
| schestowitz | And NASCAR | Oct 15 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Back in 2007 IIRC | Oct 15 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Let me get the urls | Oct 15 00:22 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/136578.asp?source=rss | Oct 15 00:23 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/135166.asp?source=rss | Oct 15 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://cajunboyinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/03/microsoft-apparently-hopes-that-jackass.html | Oct 15 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.crn.com/software/206905139 | Oct 15 00:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.armchairempire.com/News/?p=187 | Oct 15 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | well Microsoft are about being used by companies hmm, but also the ignorant computer consumer/user and that, and they like watching TV shows most of them as well, so makes sense really that they are spending their money on this type of thing | Oct 15 00:23 |
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| sebsebseb | plus now days TV can easilly be recorded on cable boxes that have the feature for example, and adverts skipped | Oct 15 00:24 |
| Xarver | anybody use BSD here? curious | Oct 15 00:25 |
| voltronw | Xarver: used to run FreeBSD until ~5.2 | Oct 15 00:26 |
| Xarver | ah why stopped? | Oct 15 00:26 |
| voltronw | got a linux development job | Oct 15 00:26 |
| Xarver | ah | Oct 15 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Well we can see Microsoft or Apple adverts and be like, I am not going to buy that, but there will be people out there and quite a lot of them that will want to buy it after seeing the advert. Eventually there should be adverts for Desktop Linux on the TV I guess. | Oct 15 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | two types of TV advert these days I guess, the actsaul TV advert, or turning an episode of a show into one | Oct 15 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | Xarver: I nearly vm'd FreeBSD, but there was something hmm, or it didn't work in a vm, or whatever it was | Oct 15 00:29 |
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| sebsebseb | voltronw: South Park did one about Guitair Hero, what about it? | Oct 15 00:33 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: the point is, it would not be good use of time | Oct 15 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Better to show the merits of GNU/Linux | Oct 15 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Unless there is misconduct against it | Oct 15 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft adverts are part of another problem | Oct 15 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Better to do an episode about GNU/Linux unless for some reason it's not alloweed? that's what you were saying? | Oct 15 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | there could be some TV show doing an advert about GNU/Linux, but most people don't know about it | Oct 15 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Microsoft adverts are part of another problem? | Oct 15 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I've just read. http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/floss-weekly-interviews-roy-schestowitz/ | Oct 15 00:39 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: that's kind of you, thanks | Oct 15 00:39 |
| schestowitz | jono should see the above, too | Oct 15 00:39 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, part of the issue of marketing as barrier | Oct 15 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Technical superiority is not enough if the image people attach to it (mentally) is negative | Oct 15 00:39 |
| schestowitz | That's why AstroTurfing against Linux is done | Oct 15 00:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:34] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: Better to do an episode about GNU/Linux unless for some reason it's not alloweed? that's what you were saying? | Oct 15 00:40 |
| schestowitz | No, I think though that the links to pro-Linux stuff that I post do better service though | Oct 15 00:40 |
| schestowitz | It's another point that jono ignored | Oct 15 00:40 |
| schestowitz | I post pro-Linux about 80-90% of the time | Oct 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Others tend to pay attention to Microsoft/Apple critique that I post | Oct 15 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | There are online video adverts for Linux around, if they were on TV it would be better :), but money is also a problem, costs a lot to get a TV advert on there | Oct 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | And that's just not fair to look at one side of the coin | Oct 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, I converted them to ogg and posted them | Oct 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Since 2008 | Oct 15 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh Flash videos to OGG you mean? | Oct 15 00:42 |
| Xarver | for freebsd I have to burn 3cds? O.o | Oct 15 00:47 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: precisely | Oct 15 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Many good lInux ads like Prodigy | Oct 15 00:48 |
| schestowitz | But I ran out of them ages ago | Oct 15 00:48 |
| Xarver | is freebsd an easy to use distro :P | Oct 15 00:48 |
| schestowitz | WIth 1/2 per day you soon run out | Oct 15 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: someone linked me to a good IBM one | Oct 15 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Xarver: yes, same as GNU/Linux | Oct 15 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Just set it up to detect your hardware | Oct 15 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: that I haven't actsaully seen properly yet | Oct 15 00:48 |
| Xarver | 3 cds I've never seen before :P | Oct 15 00:48 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Its no problem....In my line of work judge of character is probably one of the key skills......I think you show considerable patience in the face of extreme abuse/lies... | Oct 15 00:49 |
| schestowitz | If you get BSDs preinstalled OK on the hardware, then it's usual gnome/kde4/blackbox/whatever experiment | Oct 15 00:49 |
| schestowitz | *experience | Oct 15 00:49 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it was a disaster | Oct 15 00:49 |
| Xarver | wait I have to use a text interface to install? | Oct 15 00:49 |
| _goblin | what the interview? | Oct 15 00:49 |
| schestowitz | But I didn't bring up issues that may lead people to label me "Aggressive" | Oct 15 00:49 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes, very very bad | Oct 15 00:49 |
| _goblin | you only had an hour | Oct 15 00:50 |
| schestowitz | When people bring up flase allegations it is challenging to remain as clam | Oct 15 00:50 |
| schestowitz | *calm | Oct 15 00:50 |
| voltronw | Xarver: yup | Oct 15 00:50 |
| _goblin | I think you are being hard on yourself. | Oct 15 00:50 |
| schestowitz | But the usual trolls heckled in IRC | Oct 15 00:50 |
| schestowitz | To incite | Oct 15 00:50 |
| Xarver | oh no : | Oct 15 00:50 |
| _goblin | only 8/420 people on the IRC were critical/insulting of you.... | Oct 15 00:50 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no, I'm far better when I do presentations | Oct 15 00:51 |
| schestowitz | I didn't prepare for this, just answered some questions | Oct 15 00:51 |
| schestowitz | jono said things he should not have said | Oct 15 00:51 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: specifically, what? | Oct 15 00:51 |
| _goblin | as soon as OB gets its podcast sorted you can have a slot as long as you like...... | Oct 15 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Such as totally incorrect allegations about negativity | Oct 15 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Which is overwhelmed by positive things | Oct 15 00:51 |
| schestowitz | And the negativity comes from those whom you expect | Oct 15 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Sounds good, but doesn't look good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJA9eiUktcA | Oct 15 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Novell folks, Mono folks, Microsoft and anti-Linux people | Oct 15 00:52 |
| schestowitz | They even twit it right now | Oct 15 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Novell employees ridiculing me | Oct 15 00:52 |
| _goblin | when Jono mentioned about whats wrong with MS contributing to FOSS, he forgot about Ballmer calling it cancer or his abuse of alternatives I.e Iphone incident at recent conference... | Oct 15 00:52 |
| schestowitz | The disclosure one is exposed to are none | Oct 15 00:52 |
| schestowitz | And there are nymshifters also | Oct 15 00:52 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes, he played devil's advocate | Oct 15 00:53 |
| jono | schestowitz I was merely relaying my experience - do you think I would say the situation is too negative if I really saw it as positive? | Oct 15 00:53 |
| schestowitz | jono: whose experience or forums? | Oct 15 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I was FUDed to death in Ubuntu Forums by Novell/Mono folks | Oct 15 00:53 |
| jono | schestowitz it seems you are claiming as if I am wrong for suggesting that I mainly see negative views about BN | Oct 15 00:53 |
| *sebsebseb Wondows what you guys are on about | Oct 15 00:53 | |
| schestowitz | And that idiot who goes by the name "Fink" | Oct 15 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | Wonders above | Oct 15 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I've nothing to do with him | Oct 15 00:54 |
| jono | I would not communicate this if I mainly saw positive views | Oct 15 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | that nearly looked like Windows | Oct 15 00:54 |
| schestowitz | At first I thought it's that same arsehole from last year | Oct 15 00:54 |
| schestowitz | They're like David, nymshifting all the time | Oct 15 00:54 |
| schestowitz | I never nymshifted | Oct 15 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Some people faked being me to incite against me | Oct 15 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Did you know that? | Oct 15 00:55 |
| schestowitz | That's why I NEVER comment in any site anymore | Oct 15 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | Except Tux Machines where I have a registered verifiable account | Oct 15 00:55 |
| _goblin | Roy, problem is there are people who post/nymshift without morals or decency....I wouldn't even be blogging if I hadn't experienced the same things you have.... | Oct 15 00:55 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: reply to articles and that you mean other peoples blogs etc? | Oct 15 00:55 |
| jono | sorry to hear that, schestowitz | Oct 15 00:55 |
| jono | schestowitz it is always unfortunate when people personalize issues | Oct 15 00:55 |
| schestowitz | jono: to understand incitations against me you must read http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/comment-in-other-web-sites/ | Oct 15 00:55 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I have seen you reply to stuff before, (unless it was someone pretending to be you of course) | Oct 15 00:56 |
| jono | schestowitz I will try to read it in a bit, I have to send some emails out now | Oct 15 00:56 |
| _goblin | a good example would be MS Watch where homophobia and racism were used to cheapen Linux/alternatives....(on the comments section) | Oct 15 00:56 |
| jono | schestowitz btw, did you manage to give Kubuntu a try? | Oct 15 00:56 |
| jono | as in, Karmic? | Oct 15 00:56 |
| schestowitz | jono: OK, please do read it | Oct 15 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Not everything with my name on it is me | Oct 15 00:56 |
| sebsebseb | I like reading comments on Linux articles and that, and I am behind with it at the moment | Oct 15 00:56 |
| schestowitz | There are fakers | Oct 15 00:56 |
| schestowitz | jono: I use it right noiw | Oct 15 00:57 |
| schestowitz | I told you I've used Ubuntu since the first version | Oct 15 00:57 |
| jono | schestowitz awesome, working well? | Oct 15 00:57 |
| schestowitz | It was my first Debian experience | Oct 15 00:57 |
| jono | schestowitz sure, I wasnt sure if you were trying Karmic | Oct 15 00:57 |
| _goblin | jono: Looking forward to 9.10 - One of my most reliable rigs is running 8.04 with NO CRASHES since it was installed on release day. | Oct 15 00:57 |
| schestowitz | jono: yes, exceptionally well, but I credit kde for that | Oct 15 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva is just as good | Oct 15 00:57 |
| jono | _goblin, thats awesome :) | Oct 15 00:57 |
| _goblin | But Im a Gnome fan. | Oct 15 00:58 |
| schestowitz | jono: yes, Karmik, since alpha | Oct 15 00:58 |
| schestowitz | *mic | Oct 15 00:58 |
| jono | schestowitz I think the awesome kubuntu community also deserve some credit :) | Oct 15 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: indeed Kubuntu is mainly just KDE 4 really | Oct 15 00:58 |
| schestowitz | ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop and stuff | Oct 15 00:58 |
| schestowitz | jono: also, people are given the impression I don't code | Oct 15 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Any idea by the way if there will be a Kubuntu KDE 3 9.10 remix, like there is one for 9.04. Yeah semi offical thing or whatever | Oct 15 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Which I actually do all the time | Oct 15 00:59 |
| schestowitz | And all my code is Free software | Oct 15 00:59 |
| jono | schestowitz yeah, but all that kernel integration, udev, X etc takes some hard work, hence my comment about the distro folks deserving some credit :) | Oct 15 00:59 |
| jono | schestowitz who cares if you code? | Oct 15 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I do. | Oct 15 00:59 |
| schestowitz | That's my expertise | Oct 15 00:59 |
| jono | being part of free software is not just about coding | Oct 15 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh you code as well? | Oct 15 00:59 |
| jono | ok | Oct 15 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | jono: true | Oct 15 00:59 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: link to your code? | Oct 15 00:59 |
| schestowitz | voltronw: on my site | Oct 15 01:00 |
| voltronw | which one? | Oct 15 01:00 |
| jono | I rarely do any coding any more | Oct 15 01:00 |
| schestowitz | schestowitz.com | Oct 15 01:01 |
| jono | too busy sending damn emails :-) | Oct 15 01:01 |
| jono | schestowitz btw, has anyone told you just how much you sound like Linus? :-) | Oct 15 01:01 |
| jono | it's kinda weird | Oct 15 01:01 |
| schestowitz | jono: it stays with you, like dribbling a basketball | Oct 15 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Syntax changes | Oct 15 01:01 |
| schestowitz | jono: I sounded terrible. | Oct 15 01:01 |
| jono | schestowitz you sounded fine | Oct 15 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Here's then thing | Oct 15 01:02 |
| jono | you didnt sound quiet and unconfident at all | Oct 15 01:02 |
| schestowitz | I tried not to interrupt questions | Oct 15 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Even when I heard incorrect things being said | Oct 15 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Oh you did a talk recently? | Oct 15 01:02 |
| jono | schestowitz right | Oct 15 01:02 |
| schestowitz | I occasionally do. | Oct 15 01:02 |
| jono | schestowitz are you ok, you sound annoyed | Oct 15 01:02 |
| jono | I thought you were cool with the interview? | Oct 15 01:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to stick around here under existing conditions and part of the arrangement is that I carry on some work around here | Oct 15 01:03 |
| schestowitz | I still manage to spend most of the day reading news and writing notes | Oct 15 01:03 |
| schestowitz | jono: I realise some people in IRC inciated you | Oct 15 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Like the anti-BN bunch with nyms | Oct 15 01:03 |
| jono | schestowitz incited me? | Oct 15 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: here as in the university, well according to your hostname your at one | Oct 15 01:03 |
| jono | schestowitz no-one incited me, I am my own thinker | Oct 15 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Private apartment, sebsebseb | Oct 15 01:04 |
| schestowitz | COnnected via JANET | Oct 15 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what's that? | Oct 15 01:04 |
| schestowitz | 1000mbit/sec... hard to beat that | Oct 15 01:04 |
| schestowitz | I can stream at 1gb/sec internally | Oct 15 01:04 |
| schestowitz | jono: OK, I was misinformed by someone then | Oct 15 01:05 |
| schestowitz | I ought to post some pro-Linux links | Oct 15 01:05 |
| jono | schestowitz if you are uncomfortable with the interview, would you like to have a chat on skype now to discuss? | Oct 15 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Like that vast majority of things I do ;-) | Oct 15 01:05 |
| jono | I am happy to discuss any concerns you may have | Oct 15 01:05 |
| schestowitz | jono: no, it's fine | Oct 15 01:06 |
| voltronw | schestowitz: all i can find is something called "othello master" | Oct 15 01:06 |
| jono | schestowitz ok, well the door is always open if you want to have a chat :-) | Oct 15 01:06 |
| schestowitz | But it felt like interrogation with material that's not correct | Oct 15 01:06 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: you probably should use ssl for http://schestowitz.com/ Genealogy | Oct 15 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Mostly the libel from our detractors | Oct 15 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Which is distracting | Oct 15 01:06 |
| jono | schestowitz I checked all the of the material I had sourced, and I raised it to you for your commentary | Oct 15 01:06 |
| jono | just because you didn't like the questions I raised doesnt mean I was providing you with lies | Oct 15 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Being told for half a minutes what I /supposedly/ did only to wait for the question to end and say, "Well, no, you got the story from an unreliable source" | Oct 15 01:07 |
| schestowitz | jono: yes, but the quesrion suppsedly convey information | Oct 15 01:07 |
| schestowitz | It's the idea of passing forward claims in the form of a question | Oct 15 01:07 |
| schestowitz | And I don't shout like Fox dudes | Oct 15 01:07 |
| schestowitz | So I couldn't quite interrupt to correct you | Oct 15 01:08 |
| schestowitz | I apologise, but I think you used the questions to tell stories at a later stage | Oct 15 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Sotries that were not correct | Oct 15 01:08 |
| jono | schestowitz as we discussed previously, I said I would be raising some issues that were controvertial to get your input, I can't raise the issue without saying something that you might not like | Oct 15 01:08 |
| jono | but then you have the opportunity to say what you think | Oct 15 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Not a matter of bias or subjectivity, either | Oct 15 01:08 |
| jono | what incorrect stories? | Oct 15 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | As PJ once told me, I need to clean up the lies before they spread | Oct 15 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Like the baby with a dirty diapers as an anaology | Oct 15 01:09 |
| Xarver | are all BSDs console based? | Oct 15 01:09 |
| jono | what incorrect stories? | Oct 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | If you don't clean it up quickly it goes all over the place | Oct 15 01:09 |
| jono | tell me what lies I was spreading | Oct 15 01:09 |
| voltronw | Xarver: i don't think any of the BSD variants have a graphical installer | Oct 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | jono: incorrect stories such as claims of negative messages | Oct 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, from Microsoft employees and such | Oct 15 01:09 |
| Xarver | :( | Oct 15 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Convenient omission | Oct 15 01:10 |
| _goblin | jono: It interests me to know why nothing was mentioned about the underhanded tactics which hold together the ethos of Roy's site. Tactics which are documented and experienced by many bloggers who have no connection to Roy what-so-ever. | Oct 15 01:10 |
| schestowitz | It's like "Saddam killed the Kurds" | Oct 15 01:10 |
| jono | schestowitz the reaility is that when I have searched your name in Google and searched Boycott Novell, I have mainly seen negativeity | Oct 15 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Omiission "while endorsesed byt he UK and US" | Oct 15 01:10 |
| jono | schestowitz do you really think I am making this up? | Oct 15 01:10 |
| schestowitz | So ommission can reverse message | Oct 15 01:10 |
| jono | schestowitz do you really think I am trying to slander you? | Oct 15 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Had you said that people who hate Linux fillt he Web with hostile material, this may mean the opposite | Oct 15 01:11 |
| jono | schestowitz do you really think I am making this up? | Oct 15 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Namely that advocacy iseffective enough to upset those whose agenda is opposite to ours | Oct 15 01:11 |
| schestowitz | jono: no | Oct 15 01:11 |
| jono | schestowitz answer my question, do you feel I made up things on the show to make you look bad? | Oct 15 01:11 |
| jono | what are you saying? | Oct 15 01:11 |
| schestowitz | We should chat over voice. | Oct 15 01:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm very calm here | Oct 15 01:11 |
| jono | schestowitz skype? | Oct 15 01:11 |
| jono | I can call you | Oct 15 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Text omits emotion/tone | Oct 15 01:12 |
| jono | one sec | Oct 15 01:12 |
| jono | indeed | Oct 15 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry about it | Oct 15 01:12 |
| jono | I think we need to discuss this | Oct 15 01:12 |
| jono | clear the air | Oct 15 01:12 |
| jono | it will only take a few mins | Oct 15 01:13 |
| jono | I am ready when you are | Oct 15 01:13 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: is "Ala RedHat⁄Microsoft" ok? the slash appears too close | Oct 15 01:13 |
| Balrog_ | in the recent post | Oct 15 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Oct 15 01:14 |
| Balrog_ | err | Oct 15 01:14 |
| Balrog_ | an old one | Oct 15 01:14 |
| Balrog_ | sorry :( | Oct 15 01:14 |
| Balrog_ | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/27/virtualization-makes-for-strange-bedfellows/ | Oct 15 01:14 |
| jono | schestowitz are you logged into skype? | Oct 15 01:14 |
| Balrog_ | idk what I was doing | Oct 15 01:14 |
| schestowitz | jono: yes, I'll phone you | Oct 15 01:14 |
| jono | ok | Oct 15 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I know how you could phone the USA for free by the way | Oct 15 01:15 |
| Balrog_ | I'm annoyed with "boycott-boycottnovell" ... :\ | Oct 15 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | Balrog_: oh there's a site is there? | Oct 15 01:16 |
| Balrog_ | sebsebseb: yes | Oct 15 01:17 |
| Balrog_ | :( | Oct 15 01:17 |
| Balrog_ | set up by Lefty | Oct 15 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | don't know who that is | Oct 15 01:17 |
| Balrog_ | someone who used to comment on BN | Oct 15 01:17 |
| Balrog_ | at least, I remember it | Oct 15 01:17 |
| _goblin | maybe we should make boycott-boycott-boycott-novell.com | Oct 15 01:18 |
| _goblin | I had a mention there in their hall of fame. | Oct 15 01:18 |
| _goblin | apparently its wrong if I challenge a Linux user for spreading FUD.......not quite sure how that makes me a Boycott boy.... | Oct 15 01:19 |
| _goblin | isn't lefty flatfish? | Oct 15 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | well it's the Internet, people express their opinions and stuff? | Oct 15 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | on it | Oct 15 01:20 |
| _goblin | their argument was I was anti-Microsoft, although that sort of fell on its face when I challenge any FUD....it just so happens MS faithful spread it around more. | Oct 15 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | that's something else, many Linux users hate or strongly dislike Microsoft, but a lot don't also | Oct 15 01:22 |
| _goblin | I have a hate of MS attitude that appears to think its the guiding light for software. | Oct 15 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | yes it annoys me how it's all over the place, with most of the users not having a choice | Oct 15 01:22 |
| _goblin | or its attitude that its somehow doing a favour to the FOSS community by getting involved.. | Oct 15 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,because they just use what was given to them by for example who they bought their computer from | Oct 15 01:23 |
| _goblin | I think the EU will be looking at that issue shortly... | Oct 15 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | and it annoys me how many users use it even if they have problems with it, when really an alternative would be fine for their computer usage | Oct 15 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | the European Commision you mean | Oct 15 01:23 |
| _goblin | For a laugh it you type "microsoft blames" in google, you will see problems are never Microsofts fault....and yes EU....European Commision. | Oct 15 01:24 |
| Balrog_ | _goblin: that "picture" they have of RMS is ... crazy | Oct 15 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: ever seen Ubuntu's first bug? | Oct 15 01:24 |
| _goblin | no? | Oct 15 01:24 |
| _goblin | I want to petition Canonical to introduce "Guru Meditation" as its error reporting screen.... | Oct 15 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 | Oct 15 01:25 |
| _goblin | (if you are not an ex-Amiga owner that will mean nothing to you) | Oct 15 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | jono: I assume you already know about the above link, if not there must be something wrong, since who you are and all that | Oct 15 01:25 |
| _goblin | lol... | Oct 15 01:26 |
| _goblin | yep, Microsoft wants to "love the FOSS" | Oct 15 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Was that a lol at my comment to jono ? | Oct 15 01:27 |
| _goblin | no, at the error message... | Oct 15 01:27 |
| _goblin | sorry, bug report.... | Oct 15 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Do you know who jono is? | Oct 15 01:27 |
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| _goblin | yeah.. | Oct 15 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Oct 15 01:28 |
| _goblin | saw the interview and have already written a blog entry on it. | Oct 15 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: this schestowitz interview or whatever they were talking about earlier? | Oct 15 01:28 |
| _goblin | yeah, saw it live. | Oct 15 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | link? | Oct 15 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | there's a video? | Oct 15 01:28 |
| _goblin | Im not sure if its archived yet.....it was a studio cam....roy was not on cam though. | Oct 15 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Oct 15 01:29 |
| _goblin | http://live.twit.tv/ | Oct 15 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: choice for nearly everything else, but not software | Oct 15 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | it's PC with Microsoft | Oct 15 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | or that Mac thing with whatever that runs as in they don't know the not so technical people | Oct 15 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | most of them | Oct 15 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | OS X, overrated | Oct 15 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | give me Vista any day over that | Oct 15 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: This apparantly is one of the goals for Canonica/Ubuntu to try and get a choice out there | Oct 15 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Are you serious? | Oct 15 01:30 |
| _goblin | yeah although my main rig runs Wolvix and I found it probably the easiest slackware distro Ive ever used. | Oct 15 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, this new PC runs Vista | Oct 15 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yes when I tried Tiger on this guys lap top in 2007, it was offline, and I didn't install anything, good luck around though, I came off it thinking no Mac isn't for me Linux is | Oct 15 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but from that experience I also came off it prefering Windows | Oct 15 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | til I get the Windows 7 upgrade disc, which will be here around the 23rd of November | Oct 15 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I nearly tried wolvix in vm | Oct 15 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | or I did | Oct 15 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | briefuly | Oct 15 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | Vista can be ok, depends on hardware, and the user, and what programs are installed | Oct 15 01:32 |
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| DaemonFC | I had Windows 7 on my system that failed | Oct 15 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | I hardly ever boot up Vista, but Windows 7 is just Vista version 2, I think I would rather run Vista really | Oct 15 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | tracked down the failure to the motherboard, second time | Oct 15 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | not worth replacing | Oct 15 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | and also, because of how loads think Vista is bad, and I know it can be ok, and it can run alright on here | Oct 15 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | well it will be interesting when Microsoft stops supporting XP | Oct 15 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think most of the worlds computers will be going Windows 7 | Oct 15 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | take my Dad for example he was happy running Windows 98 for quite a while after XP had been released | Oct 15 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I'd really hate to see the OS that can kill a quad core with 8 gigs of RAM | Oct 15 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: XP isn't worth replacing for many Windows users with a later version of Windows, or well not when it's still supported anyway | Oct 15 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | 2014 the support will end, unless Microsoft extend it again | Oct 15 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | It was going to end 2010 | Oct 15 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | maybe by 2014 Wine will be able to run most Windows programs just like that, and ReactOS will be pretty much ready as a Windows alternative | Oct 15 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Then who needs real Windows? | Oct 15 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | oh and more people should know about virtulization I think ,and how a Windows virtual machine can run most Windows programs :) | Oct 15 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Windows can be a useful tool to have sometimes in other operating systems in a virtual machine | Oct 15 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Windows 7 RC or Beta did that to your computer? | Oct 15 01:39 |
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| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I got a free Windows 7 coupon thingy | Oct 15 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's the first thing I did, was order that | Oct 15 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Windows didn't do it | Oct 15 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | It was a motherboard failure | Oct 15 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah loads of discounts and what not for it, to get people locked in | Oct 15 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | so Windows 7 Home Premium will be supported until like late 2014 too | Oct 15 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | 5 years | Oct 15 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'll get a new PC before then probably | Oct 15 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: unless the support gets extended, but of course by then there is bound to be another version of Windows out | Oct 15 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Oct 15 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | not really worth buying Windows separately from a new PC | Oct 15 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: and the people that got Windows 7 early won't be able to upgrade to it legally and for free, just like those that got Vista early can't upgrade legally for free to Windows 7 | Oct 15 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | you get it retail, it's $200, you get it with a PC, it's like $50 built in | Oct 15 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | I really like this new PC | Oct 15 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | very very fast | Oct 15 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | that Core 2 Duo was pokey compared to this | Oct 15 01:47 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: fast maybe so, but if your running Windows on it, it's bound to slow down after a while | Oct 15 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | meh, never has for me | Oct 15 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pretty pedantic about system maintainence | Oct 15 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: also Windows and OS X is about vender lock in and other commercial software | Oct 15 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | best to avoide that kind of software :) | Oct 15 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | yeah vender lock in, and sucking money out of people, that's what it's about | Oct 15 01:48 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: Talking about Windows 7: I did love this: http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/win7-party-loot-up-for-sale-already/ | Oct 15 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I got Vista Home Premium x64 with this system | Oct 15 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | I upgraded it to SP2 first off | Oct 15 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | but I get my Windows 7 disc in about 5 weeks | Oct 15 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I had the RTM version on my old PC | Oct 15 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: of which? | Oct 15 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | I get access to pretty much anything I want | Oct 15 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 | Oct 15 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | Vista Version 2 | Oct 15 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | that what it is | Oct 15 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | better eye candy | Oct 15 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Oct 15 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | a word pad which is cut down of Word 2007 | Oct 15 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's some substance to it | Oct 15 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | paint which is like paint.net | Oct 15 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | touch screen support | Oct 15 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | some under the hood stuff, and that's about it | Oct 15 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | not a huge deal, but there's reason to have it, especially if it's free | Oct 15 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah, but it does come at a price | Oct 15 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | vender lock in! | Oct 15 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | multithreading has been improved, less video RAM used, etc. | Oct 15 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | in my case Vista is fine since I hardly boot it up | Oct 15 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | and there is nothing in 7 that gives me a proper reason to have it | Oct 15 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's a free upgrade | Oct 15 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't pay the $130 to get it | Oct 15 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: only if you bought your computer after July 1st | Oct 15 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | I had Vista in March 2007 | Oct 15 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | which I bought it this week | Oct 15 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | on this computer | Oct 15 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | so no upgrade for me | Oct 15 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | many think that really they should offer 7 to everyone that bought Vista, but Microsoft aren't nice enough to do that | Oct 15 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | in fact Microsoft aren't really nice at all | Oct 15 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | let's see they don't really care about the developing world | Oct 15 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | I just get new Windows when I get a new PC | Oct 15 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | hence the starter editions that can only run like three programs at once | Oct 15 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | I've only bought one boxed upgrade | Oct 15 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | and the student discounts and such, that's not to be nice, that's to vender lock people in | Oct 15 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I've got some licenses for Windows Server 2008 and R2 | Oct 15 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | really Microsoft care only properly about locking companies/businesses in | Oct 15 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but most consumers are to ignorant to reolize this | Oct 15 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | consumers/homeusers | Oct 15 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | yeah business and educational establishments and such | Oct 15 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't care that much, personally | Oct 15 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like $50 will break me | Oct 15 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | choice is good | Oct 15 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | plus less computers that have been taken over by criminals, if WIndows is used less | Oct 15 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | maybe if I was in Ethiopia trying to beat 10 year old hand me down hardware that was donated into working | Oct 15 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | and $50 was more than a year's income | Oct 15 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | software is like art well should be | Oct 15 02:01 |
| sebsebseb | and art should be given away for free most/all of it really | Oct 15 02:01 |
| sebsebseb | software is a tool also, and some tools are better than others depending on the user and that | Oct 15 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | Windows and Mac OS X, aren't the best tools for many computer users really, it's just to use for example a Linux distro, and then to become rather happy with it, they may need someone to help them get set up to begin with | Oct 15 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | Microsoft and Apple take advantage of computer ignorance, and make money by doing so | Oct 15 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, jono | Oct 15 02:04 |
| jono | schestowitz thanks too, speak soon :-) | Oct 15 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: that's a big problem really when it comes to choice, how most computers come with Windows. and these kind of talks have been done before, probably why there isn't that much reply | Oct 15 02:05 |
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| DaemonFC | meh, there's no reason to have a quad core Linux system with a beefy graphics card and lots of RAM | Oct 15 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | what are you going to play? Frozen Bubble? | Oct 15 02:09 |
| schestowitz | None almost | Oct 15 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Unless you use RHEL at Dreamworks | Oct 15 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Then you could do render-preview on the local host | Oct 15 02:09 |
| voltronw | DaemonFC: play? you can develop free software faster! | Oct 15 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmmph | Oct 15 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | Windows and video games drive faster hardware into the mainstream | Oct 15 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | an $850 desktop sitting on my desk today was a $50,000 workstation at IBM 5 or 6 years ago | Oct 15 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: there are some good 3D Open GL games and such for Linux as well | Oct 15 02:11 |
| shreddar | That's actually a good reason to get a high powerd linux PC. I myself have been looking into making video games and even the real simple ones require a lot of hardware for testing and stuff in Blender. | Oct 15 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | you can argue that Linux still works on really ancient systems, but it's not pushing them, neither is the software for it | Oct 15 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | so you'd see hardware stagnation | Oct 15 02:12 |
| voltronw | DaemonFC: i don't think high end graphics/gaming machines are the "mainstream", a $350 dell desktop machine for myspace and gmail is the mainstream | Oct 15 02:12 |
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| sebsebseb | shreddar: Blender is used to make games as well? I thought it was made for 3D animation movies? | Oct 15 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | nothing worse than a pokey system that feels like it's on the last leg | Oct 15 02:12 |
| shreddar | Yeah. Well you can anyway. I don't know how many people do it though. | Oct 15 02:13 |
| shreddar | There tools and example and all that. | Oct 15 02:13 |
| sebsebseb | voltronw: yeah pretty basic PC's that come with Windows is the mainstrame, however if they came with Linux instead most users would be fine, once they got over the larning curve a bit | Oct 15 02:13 |
| voltronw | sebsebseb: like larning how to type? | Oct 15 02:13 |
| shreddar | I don't really think there is a learning curve as much as it is having to relearn things that are different. | Oct 15 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | voltronw: well learning the basics of using the distro that came pre installed, or even how to install it, I am thinking Ubuntu, where for the basics there isn't really much of a learning curve | Oct 15 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | voltronw: it's when you install it onto hardware that wasn't made for it, you bump into issues, but pre installed eliminates that issue | Oct 15 02:14 |
| voltronw | sebsebseb: what's your point? | Oct 15 02:15 |
| shreddar | Like Firefox = IE, Open Office Word Processor = Word etc. | Oct 15 02:15 |
| sebsebseb | voltronw: That if instead of mainstrame Windows PC's, what I said happended instead, that things should be fine | Oct 15 02:15 |
| sebsebseb | voltronw: and that for basic computer tasks people really don't need Windows | Oct 15 02:16 |
| shreddar | People who have to be trained don't venture to too many alternatives so they end up having to start from scratch. | Oct 15 02:16 |
| voltronw | sebsebseb: oh, i agree with that. no one will be happier than me when that happens | Oct 15 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | there was actually not all that much crapware preinstalled on this PC | Oct 15 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | just Norton and trial of MS Office | Oct 15 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | took me 5 minutes to kill off | Oct 15 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | they're not on the recovery DVD | Oct 15 02:17 |
| voltronw | sebsebseb: but there's still a lot of work to be done to reach that point. linux failing to gain a toehold in the netbook market was a really disappointing setback | Oct 15 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: people had to learn Windows at some stage as well | Oct 15 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: ,but yes if you switch OS there will be a learning curve | Oct 15 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | voltronw: indeed | Oct 15 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | voltronw: well maybe Chrome OS will help when that's out next year | Oct 15 02:18 |
| shreddar | Yeah exactly and they most likely didn't want to do it the first time. Most people don't see learning PC programs as fun. | Oct 15 02:18 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: true | Oct 15 02:18 |
| sebsebseb | for the second part | Oct 15 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | the first time what were you refering to exactly? | Oct 15 02:19 |
| shreddar | scuze me? | Oct 15 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | most computer users don't know better, they have other interests and so on, that's why Windows has most of the desktop market and OS X apparnatly has 10% now | Oct 15 02:19 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: oh I misread or something nevermind I guess | Oct 15 02:20 |
| shreddar | Oh | Oct 15 02:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but reading is one thing, understanding what is being read is another | Oct 15 02:20 |
| shreddar | I think if Linux was on computers by default it would be about the same as switching to a new version of Windows for most people. | Oct 15 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: I guess so yeah | Oct 15 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | well once they know how to upgrade it and that | Oct 15 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | people are used to companies for nearly everything, so we need big companies such as Google and IBM even, supporting Linux and getting it out there to the general public really | Oct 15 02:22 |
| voltronw | sebsebseb: what will chromeos help? it's a corporate controlled non-free operating system | Oct 15 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | and not so big companies I guess one day as well, such as Canonical | Oct 15 02:23 |
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| sebsebseb | voltronw: It's Linux as far as I know | Oct 15 02:24 |
| shreddar | I personnally think that OEM's should try to make computer more transparent. And to do that they have to be able to change the designe of the OS that they install on it. Which MS doesn't let them do. | Oct 15 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Microsoft in many ways control the OEM's another big problem | Oct 15 02:25 |
| sebsebseb | OEM's should be like a supermarket really, providing choice to the consumer, in this case choice of OS | Oct 15 02:26 |
| shreddar | They should do like I see Nokia, Apple and other cell phone makers used to do and try to make a complete product on not just outsource a fundamental part the user expirence to some other company. | Oct 15 02:26 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah Apple do both OS and hardware, ok the vender lock in, but then drivers aren't an issue when doing OS X on a Mac | Oct 15 02:27 |
| *sebsebseb wonders what desktop computing will be like in 10 years time | Oct 15 02:29 | |
| sebsebseb | even 5 years time | Oct 15 02:29 |
| sebsebseb | will it have been the year of Desktop Linux? | Oct 15 02:30 |
| sebsebseb | maybe so | Oct 15 02:30 |
| shreddar | It'll probably be like servers and mainframe computers are now. | Oct 15 02:31 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: meaning Linux will have most of that market? | Oct 15 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | in this case the desktop one? | Oct 15 02:32 |
| shreddar | Meaning most people will probably have some computer device hooked up to their TV or a PDA/smart phone like device. | Oct 15 02:33 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Oct 15 02:33 |
| shreddar | They'll come for more consumer like devices. | Oct 15 02:33 |
| sebsebseb | that didn't 100% make sense or it's just me. You mean more consumer friendly technologies? | Oct 15 02:34 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: in 10 years they may not be 'desktop' | Oct 15 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah cloud computing maybe | Oct 15 02:34 |
| schestowitz | THink retinal output, voice/mental input | Oct 15 02:34 |
| schestowitz | It's already possible, just not quite commercialised | Oct 15 02:34 |
| schestowitz | You could move a cursor with your mind | Oct 15 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | ah yes | Oct 15 02:35 |
| schestowitz | And artificial boduyparts too | Oct 15 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | I saw something on BBC Click whenever it was | Oct 15 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Experiment on moneys for the time being | Oct 15 02:35 |
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| sebsebseb | moving a coursour with the mind or whatever it was yeah | Oct 15 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | true eventaully the types of computers we have today, will become old fashioned technology | Oct 15 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | the desktop etc, one day Windows will probably be in a computer musuem or something :D | Oct 15 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | and hopefuly many of our current Linux distros for that matter as well | Oct 15 02:37 |
| shreddar | That'll definately happens if MS fails to jump to a mobiles and set top boxes. | Oct 15 02:37 |
| sebsebseb | Intel want to do the mobile market as well | Oct 15 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: I have recently seen an advert on the TV for the Windows Phone | Oct 15 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | the new version of Windows Mobile by the looks of it | Oct 15 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | and that | Oct 15 02:39 |
| sebsebseb | on the TV well on a recording when going through adverts | Oct 15 02:39 |
| shreddar | Mediaroom? | Oct 15 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: What? | Oct 15 02:40 |
| shreddar | the MS tv device | Oct 15 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | uh no and I don't know what that is | Oct 15 02:40 |
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| shreddar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARGNsHq2Cfw | Oct 15 02:42 |
| shreddar | This is mediaroom | Oct 15 02:42 |
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| sebsebseb | I am about to go away from my computer, since I want to watch some TV | Oct 15 02:42 |
| shreddar | Alright | Oct 15 02:43 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: ok video | Oct 15 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | I guess that thing is currently USA only? | Oct 15 02:49 |
| shreddar | So I guess that wasn't the thing you were talking about then | Oct 15 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | nope | Oct 15 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | I guess not | Oct 15 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | and I don't live in the USA | Oct 15 02:50 |
| shreddar | Where ? | Oct 15 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | some where on planet Earth | Oct 15 02:51 |
| shreddar | Canada, Australia, Britain, India? | Oct 15 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | pm | Oct 15 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | is where your answer is | Oct 15 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | shreddar: | Oct 15 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/plugincheck/ | Oct 15 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | right | Oct 15 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | leaving | Oct 15 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | well staying in here for now, but going afk | Oct 15 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/PressFreedom/ | Oct 15 03:43 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_C4te_d%27Ivoire_toxic_waste_dump | Oct 15 03:43 |
| schestowitz | That was fast | Oct 15 03:43 |
| fewa | what about the Coral Art gallery eptition? | Oct 15 03:44 |
| schestowitz | what's that about? | Oct 15 03:45 |
| schestowitz | http://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/10/14/what_if_the_trafigura_case_happened_in_turkmenistan What if the Trafigura case happened in Turkmenistan? | Oct 15 03:45 |
| fewa | LOL wikipedia refuses to quote itsself even when IT is the subject | Oct 15 03:45 |
| fewa | LOLOL | Oct 15 03:45 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Portrait_Gallery_copyright_conflicts | Oct 15 03:45 |
| fewa | rediculous | Oct 15 03:45 |
| schestowitz | Trafigura - thoughts from the day after http://broadstuff.com/archives/1914-Trafigura-thoughts-from-the-day-after.html | Oct 15 03:48 |
| fewa | http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/publicdomain/ | Oct 15 03:49 |
| fewa | meh should have more | Oct 15 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Sawfish: mining the forgotten forests of the sea < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/14/the-sawfish.html > | Oct 15 03:54 |
| schestowitz | You sign UK petitions? | Oct 15 03:54 |
| fewa | no i just read the talk when that news happened | Oct 15 03:54 |
| fewa | and remembered | Oct 15 03:55 |
| fewa | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2009Jul#Update_on_National_Portrait_Gallery_representation | Oct 15 03:55 |
| fewa | was about the only thing that seemed reasonable in the discussion | Oct 15 03:55 |
| fewa | and it was clear NPG had no case | Oct 15 03:56 |
| fewa | *as | Oct 15 03:59 |
| fewa | The poor complain; they always do | Oct 15 04:00 |
| fewa | But that’s just idle chatter | Oct 15 04:00 |
| fewa | Our system brings reward to all | Oct 15 04:00 |
| fewa | At least all those who matter. | Oct 15 04:00 |
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| schestowitz | I heard about it at the time and wrote about it | Oct 15 04:06 |
| schestowitz | The overlapping case ATM in the Guardian denies by Parliament | Oct 15 04:06 |
| schestowitz | Which blew up in theitr face | Oct 15 04:06 |
| schestowitz | THe Guardian started a riot and enevtually got in anyway | Oct 15 04:07 |
| schestowitz | "A new language class is providing an opportunity for Liberians to learn Mandarin as China expands its economic presence in the West African country." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/08/ap/africa/main5371631.shtml | Oct 15 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Chinese expansion in Africa: sign of the times | Oct 15 04:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] The new #GOP http://xkcd.com/personal/gop/ #Republican #web1.0 #newGOP | Oct 15 04:14 | |
| schestowitz | Joost UK goes titsup http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/15/joost_uk_liquidated/ | Oct 15 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Hasn't almost every fascist or communist regime tried to colonize or seize territory in Africa? | Oct 15 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's what stupid, lazy, non-industrious people who are too weak to defend themselves or mine their own resources get | Oct 15 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | cold truth | Oct 15 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing that ends up stopping the invaders is political turmoil or getting their asses kicked by another party to a war or another power interested in swiping the oil, diamonds, etc. | Oct 15 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | the British tried invading as their empire was on the verge of collapse and ended up decolonizing shortly thereafter | Oct 15 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | the Nazis were spread too thin and lost World War II | Oct 15 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | the Soviets tried passing out AK47s and shit to any revolutionaries that they figured would do their dirty work for them and that never really got them anything | Oct 15 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | the people on that continent pierce their genitals all over and fuck anything that moves and get HIV and suddenly the USA is the bad guy for not just giving them suppressive drugs | Oct 15 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much half or more of the infectious deadly crap in circulation came from that continent | Oct 15 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's the closest thing to hell on Earth | Oct 15 04:41 |
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| DaemonFC | I say our foreign policy should be "Quit your bellyaching and build your own damned country" | Oct 15 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | we have enough problems without showering free shit on every complainer that comes knocking | Oct 15 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure schestowitz would sign up to have his taxes doubled so that ingrates who will never imporve, on the other side of the world would have AIDS drugs and stuff | Oct 15 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | *improve | Oct 15 04:44 |
| fewa | http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/forep/forep008.pdf | Oct 15 04:45 |
| fewa | [A FEW WORDS ON NON-INTERVENTION - J.S.Mill] | Oct 15 04:45 |
| fewa | also DaemonFC , take your hate somewhere else | Oct 15 04:46 |
| fewa | *misplaced hate | Oct 15 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, there's a difference between charity and perpetual dependency | Oct 15 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | most African nations are perpetually dependent | Oct 15 04:46 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, the united states doesn't give charity | Oct 15 04:47 |
| fewa | _at all_ | Oct 15 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | we shouldn't | Oct 15 04:47 |
| fewa | im serious | Oct 15 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | cause what you call charity is just a handout | Oct 15 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | a never ending cycle of handouts | Oct 15 04:47 |
| fewa | we are a shame, compared to european countries | Oct 15 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | to ingrates | Oct 15 04:47 |
| fewa | we call it "charity" when we arm nations that profess layalty to us | Oct 15 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | let them waste their money and ruin their economy on "charity" if they like | Oct 15 04:47 |
| fewa | "aim" == military support for dictaitors | Oct 15 04:48 |
| fewa | *aid | Oct 15 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | every bit they spend on some third world ingrate is less they have for their own tax paying citizens | Oct 15 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | they're retarded but it's their money I guess | Oct 15 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'd light it on fire before I gave it out | Oct 15 04:48 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, you have no idea what you are talking about | Oct 15 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | willingly, that is | Oct 15 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | until we can get healthcare for every American, fuck everyone else | Oct 15 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | what a crock | Oct 15 04:49 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> until we can get healthcare for every American, fuck everyone else | Oct 15 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | you should be pissed that we don't take care of our own people | Oct 15 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | but we give handouts to ingrates | Oct 15 04:49 |
| fewa | while I don't agree with your brshness, this is real | Oct 15 04:49 |
| fewa | we _should_ be concerned with ourselves | Oct 15 04:49 |
| fewa | read that essay | Oct 15 04:50 |
| fewa | http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/forep/forep008.pdf | Oct 15 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | the money we give as handouts could fund healthcare for Americans | Oct 15 04:50 |
| fewa | we _dont_ give handouts | Oct 15 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | where do they get the money? Stop giving handouts to third world countries | Oct 15 04:50 |
| fewa | **the government does _not_ give handouts | Oct 15 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | we don't give a hand up | Oct 15 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | so we're giving a handout | Oct 15 04:50 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> where do they get the money? Stop giving handouts to third world countries | Oct 15 04:50 |
| fewa | the DONT | Oct 15 04:50 |
| fewa | you are mistaken | Oct 15 04:50 |
| fewa | 57% of federal budget is military | Oct 15 04:51 |
| fewa | ___57%____ | Oct 15 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | if we were doing any good with the handouts, then those third world countries would be progressing | Oct 15 04:51 |
| fewa | trillions of dollars | Oct 15 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | becoming self sufficient | Oct 15 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | they NEVER will | Oct 15 04:51 |
| fewa | still all hate | Oct 15 04:51 |
| fewa | so im going to ignore you | Oct 15 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | they haven't despite decades of handouts | Oct 15 04:51 |
| fewa | you have _no idea_ what you are talking about | Oct 15 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | they just feel entitled | Oct 15 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | even when we give them handouts, they still burn our flag | Oct 15 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | they still curse us | Oct 15 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | why do we keep showering them with endless amounts of money? | Oct 15 04:52 |
| fewa | WE DONT | Oct 15 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's ridiculous, they should be cut off | Oct 15 04:52 |
| fewa | THE US GOVERNMENT NEVER HAS | Oct 15 04:52 |
| cubezzz | it's all management | Oct 15 04:53 |
| cubezzz | or mismanagement | Oct 15 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | we give out hundreds of billions in handouts every year | Oct 15 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | we call it "foreign aide" | Oct 15 04:53 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, THE US GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER, AND WILL NEVER, GIVE CHARITY TO OTHER NATIONS | Oct 15 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | or "loans" that never get paid back | Oct 15 04:53 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, its all stretegic | Oct 15 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, we never get any of that money back but we keep dishing it out | Oct 15 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | billions of dollars at a time | Oct 15 04:53 |
| fewa | 100% strategic | Oct 15 04:53 |
| fewa | the money is going into the military, _not_ other nations | Oct 15 04:54 |
| fewa | 57% of the budget | Oct 15 04:54 |
| fewa | get you mind around that | Oct 15 04:54 |
| fewa | out of all the taxes to the fed | Oct 15 04:54 |
| fewa | 57% is military | Oct 15 04:54 |
| cubezzz | seems rather high | Oct 15 04:54 |
| fewa | thats trillions of dollars a year | Oct 15 04:54 |
| fewa | its over half of the worlds military expenditures | Oct 15 04:54 |
| fewa | cubezzz, its based on the official budget | Oct 15 04:54 |
| fewa | thats the US government for you.... | Oct 15 04:55 |
| fewa | there is alot of local government | Oct 15 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, we donate all the time | Oct 15 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | all the time | Oct 15 04:55 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, NO WE DO NOT | Oct 15 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | money, medicine, food | Oct 15 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | some of those African countries are AIDS denialists | Oct 15 04:55 |
| fewa | ITS CALLED "GIVING" WHEN IT IS GUNS | Oct 15 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | and turn down the medicine | Oct 15 04:55 |
| fewa | ITS ALL PR DaemonFC | Oct 15 04:56 |
| fewa | lies | Oct 15 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | they're backwards and stupid and should be left to die | Oct 15 04:56 |
| fewa | there is a good old chomsky book | Oct 15 04:56 |
| Mutex_ | all my income for the past 9 years has been due to the war in the middle east, it's a huge money spinner. | Oct 15 04:56 |
| fewa | shows all the "charity" given to dictaitors | Oct 15 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | Mutex_, I'm against that too | Oct 15 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | fewa quotes the inflated military budget like I agree it should be that high | Oct 15 04:56 |
| fewa | other nations do give, but not the united states | Oct 15 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't | Oct 15 04:57 |
| Mutex_ | What earning a living, ? or supporting the military ? | Oct 15 04:57 |
| fewa | the United States government seriously does not give | Oct 15 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | it should be half of what it is at most, maybe | Oct 15 04:57 |
| fewa | and has not since the marshell plan | Oct 15 04:57 |
| fewa | "give" | Oct 15 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, We can't really have a real war with a real opponent anyway cause everyone has nukes | Oct 15 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | having tons of conventional forces is silly | Oct 15 04:58 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, we dont have "real wars", its called occupation and control | Oct 15 04:58 |
| fewa | you really should read Hegemony or Survivial | Oct 15 04:58 |
| fewa | by chomsky | Oct 15 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, we can't have a real war with a real opponent and they can't have one with us | Oct 15 04:59 |
| fewa | would explain alot of this | Oct 15 04:59 |
| fewa | for you | Oct 15 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | so we go kicking over all the pushover targets | Oct 15 04:59 |
| Mutex_ | and losing | Oct 15 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | if Saddam Hussein really threatened us, we would never have attacked Iraq | Oct 15 04:59 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, the United States installed Saddam Hussein in a coup | Oct 15 05:00 |
| Mutex_ | and finance and trained and armed bin ladin | Oct 15 05:00 |
| fewa | and only kept him there, as he was massacring millions, through horrible sanctions | Oct 15 05:00 |
| fewa | Mutex_, thats a lie | Oct 15 05:00 |
| Mutex_ | They did, in their offensive against the soviets, in afganistan, funded by the CIA. look it up. | Oct 15 05:01 |
| cubezzz | Why did the soviets invade afghanistan anyway? | Oct 15 05:02 |
| Mutex_ | probably oil | Oct 15 05:05 |
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| tessier | Yeay! Phone system is sorted. The master will be pleased. | Oct 15 05:49 |
| cubezzz | no one seems to have written a ics client for text only | Oct 15 05:53 |
| cubezzz | btw I found the original Fortran code for Cray Blitz | Oct 15 05:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | ics? internet chess server? | Oct 15 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | that'd be actually rather easy to do | Oct 15 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres a perl ics interface module iirc | Oct 15 06:07 |
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| cubezzz | just the client | Oct 15 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats what Im saying | Oct 15 06:09 |
| cubezzz | no perl on this platform, as least on yet | Oct 15 06:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Oct 15 06:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | still | Oct 15 06:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | cant be that hard | Oct 15 06:12 |
| cubezzz | there's a java client I could try | Oct 15 06:12 |
| cubezzz | but the screen is probably too small | Oct 15 06:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | cant you play ics through telnet directly? | Oct 15 06:13 |
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| cubezzz | yes, but I wanted to control all the computers via ssh | Oct 15 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf are you on? | Oct 15 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | it must be tiny if you cant use it normally | Oct 15 06:14 |
| cubezzz | zaurus sl-5500 | Oct 15 06:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Oct 15 06:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | very tiny | Oct 15 06:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | ssh into another machine then use screen on it =P\ | Oct 15 06:14 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Oct 15 06:14 |
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| cubezzz | well got the X11 forwarding thing working which is good | Oct 15 07:08 |
| cubezzz | now I can cut invoices away from home | Oct 15 07:08 |
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| cubezzz | I should be able to ssh to one of the open ports | Oct 15 07:11 |
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| cubezzz | assuming Rogers allows port 22 stuff to go through, I'll find out tomorrow | Oct 15 07:15 |
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| freedomlover | just wanted to share this comment(to be published) on zonker's blog http://imagebin.ca/view/lmAWCxD.html ;-) | Oct 15 08:14 |
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| freedomlover | see ya.. | Oct 15 08:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] I am a knowledge worker in a first world information society yet my country is SO far behind: http://bit.ly/oCF41 Finland is right. | Oct 15 08:23 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Source engine games like HL2, Portal, and TF2 almost always run correctly under #Wine using !Debian AMD64... amazing! | Oct 15 08:44 | |
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| amarsh04 | Australian Broadcasting Corporation chief champions free on-line content: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28518/53/ | Oct 15 08:59 |
| schestowitz | UN-backed Congo military offensive a 'humanitarian disaster http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/13/democratic-republic-of-congo-civilian-deaths | Oct 15 09:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www-2.virtualevents365.com/rhexp/ | Oct 15 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/10/14/Oracle-Open-World-2009.ong | Oct 15 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu to store copies of all users' address books http://lwn.net/Articles/356911/ | Oct 15 10:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It's possible to try the phone platform of the Pre (as VM) before buying http://ur1.ca/dnec | Oct 15 10:07 | |
| oiaohm | Hmm the information ubuntu is going after could be used bady. | Oct 15 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu One, eh? | Oct 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Is it opt-in | Oct 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | ? | Oct 15 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully schestowitz | Oct 15 10:24 |
| schestowitz | There are a lot of technophobia-ridden people whose data will actually be safer (backed up and all) on remote servers than just the local host. | Oct 15 10:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-security/152533-spyware-ubuntu.html | Oct 15 10:25 |
| oiaohm | It would have been better if they had intergration to other servers. | Oct 15 10:25 |
| schestowitz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/410343 | Oct 15 10:26 |
| schestowitz | But it's the alpha/beta | Oct 15 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Security: The Central Focus on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 http://www.banktech.com/whitepaper/Security/Security-Administration/security-the-central-focus-on-red-hat-enterprise-wp1255545032905;jsessionid=LBDOF1LB1YELNQE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVN?articleID=106000009&cid=well1_wp_null | Oct 15 10:30 |
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| *tessier now runs all of his machines with selinux enabled | Oct 15 10:33 | |
| oiaohm | technically selinux and smack are fairly close. | Oct 15 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Hi, P|scean | Oct 15 10:35 |
| P|scean | hello | Oct 15 10:35 |
| schestowitz | tessier: at work or both private and work | Oct 15 10:35 |
| schestowitz | ? | Oct 15 10:35 |
| oiaohm | http://www.itnews.com.au/News/158194,csiros-wi-fi-patent-victory-earns-200m-and-counting.aspx Who said public research items can be used without paying up | Oct 15 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Michael Dell talks trash about netbooks http://www.liliputing.com/2009/10/michael-dell-talks-trash-about-netbooks.html | Oct 15 10:40 |
| schestowitz | SMall margins for companies like Intel, Dell, and Microsoft | Oct 15 10:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: 3Com also ATM:http://techdirt.com/articles/20091013/1901346515.shtml http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/lans/2009/101209lan1.html?fsrc=netflash-rss | Oct 15 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft press is laughing it up over Apple bug: http://rcpmag.com/blogs/lee-pender/2009/10/data-loss-week-snow-leopard.aspx | Oct 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | "Now, Apple is battling a bugaboo of its own, this one in its highly acclaimed Snow Leopard operating system. OK, so it's not striking that many users, and it's certainly not on the scale of the Sidekick fiasco -- but it's data loss nonetheless." | Oct 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | They try to push attention away from Microsoft's cockup | Oct 15 10:44 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 15 10:44 |
| MinceR | crApple and m$ fanboys are so childish | Oct 15 10:45 |
| schestowitz | http://jamesonscribbles.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/fanboy1.jpg | Oct 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fayerwayer.com/up/2008/10/iphone-thong.jpg | Oct 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fayerwayer.com/up/2008/10/apple-haircut.jpg | Oct 15 10:50 |
| oiaohm | The funny thing the csiro started off just asking for credit for designing the chips | Oct 15 10:51 |
| oiaohm | It never pays to fight when you are in the wrong. | Oct 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2009/10/open-source-software-as-prior-art-in.html Open source software as prior art in patent oppositions | Oct 15 11:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Who didn't see it coming? "Microsoft, T-Mobile sued over Sidekick data outage" http://ur1.ca/dnin | Oct 15 11:12 | |
| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 15 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | "Shelton, who helped recruit Whitehurst, sold 20,000 shares at $27.61 each for more than $552,000." http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/opinion/blogpost/6207979/ | Oct 15 11:23 |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 15 11:24 |
| trmanco | lets see if it works | Oct 15 11:24 |
| trmanco | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/a-brave-new-world-microsoft-wants-to-work-with-others/ | Oct 15 11:25 |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 15 11:30 |
| trmanco | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/a-brave-new-world-microsoft-wants-to-work-with-others/ | Oct 15 11:30 |
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| trmanco | :D | Oct 15 11:30 |
| trmanco | almost fixed | Oct 15 11:30 |
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| trmanco | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/a-brave-new-world-microsoft-wants-to-work-with-others/ | Oct 15 11:32 |
| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 15 11:32 |
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| trmanco | :D | Oct 15 11:32 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: ping | Oct 15 11:32 |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 15 11:37 |
| trmanco | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/a-brave-new-world-microsoft-wants-to-work-with-others/ | Oct 15 11:37 |
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| trmanco | ok it's done | Oct 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | http://intelligent-enterprise.informationweek.com/blog/archives/2009/10/open_source_dec.html Pseudo FOSS? | Oct 15 11:52 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I spoke too soon, I can't get audio working right in W#ine .31 for Source-based games like Portal | Oct 15 11:59 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] spoke too soon, I can't get audio working right in #Wine .31 for Source-based games like Portal | Oct 15 12:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle "Surprised by the Interest in [GNU/]Linux." http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=25949 | Oct 15 12:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Guide and Tips for Dumping #Mac OS X for #GNU #Linux Desktop http://ur1.ca/dnmm | Oct 15 12:15 | |
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| natasiel | hello, some webmaster is around? | Oct 15 12:17 |
| trmanco | yes ping schestowitz | Oct 15 12:17 |
| schestowitz | natasiel: hey | Oct 15 12:18 |
| natasiel | I have some problems registering on the website, the password is sent via email, but I cannot login | Oct 15 12:18 |
| schestowitz | natasiel: I'll reset it for you. Other people had similar issues | Oct 15 12:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Study Shows People Spend 70% of Time in GNU/Linux on Dual-boot/Instant-on Machines http://ur1.ca/dnnf wow! | Oct 15 12:18 | |
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| natasiel | re-registering allows me to reuse the same username | Oct 15 12:18 |
| natasiel | thank you, I'm trying out right now | Oct 15 12:19 |
| schestowitz | I'll PM you the new pw | Oct 15 12:20 |
| trmanco | http://majewsky.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/windows-7-round-1/ | Oct 15 12:22 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Portion of #ChromeOS Now Available for Download (.Deb) http://bit.ly/CDbrt | Oct 15 12:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Summit 2009 Coverage http://bit.ly/zuYEU http://bit.ly/aB2WJ | Oct 15 12:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ForesightLinux Reports on What Makes It Unique http://bit.ly/4mwg1P | Oct 15 12:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell 's Choice of #Linux for Phones Now Confirmed (Another Loss for Windows Mobile) http://ur1.ca/dnoh | Oct 15 12:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dual-booting Out of the Box Popularised by Acer? http://ur1.ca/dnom http://ur1.ca/dnon | Oct 15 12:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Subnotebooks Running Intel's #Linux to Come Soon http://ur1.ca/dnoo | Oct 15 12:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Software Turns to Free Software Licensing http://ur1.ca/dnp0 http://ur1.ca/dnp1 | Oct 15 12:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] European Observatory on #FreeSoftware in the Norwegian Government http://ur1.ca/dnp3 #norway | Oct 15 12:46 | |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz, there are some show-stopper bugs in the Debian release of sage math | Oct 15 12:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest Fights Against #Activism and Against #Rights on the #Internet http://ur1.ca/dnpt http://ur1.ca/dnpv | Oct 15 13:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nobel Laureate Speaks About Commons-based Economics http://bit.ly/4xIv5X | Oct 15 13:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ISO Challenged to Withdraw #Microsoft #OOXML After Well-documented Microsoft #Crime and #Deception http://ur1.ca/dnr0 | Oct 15 13:16 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_AebxHAFA&feature=related | Oct 15 13:42 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Oct 15 13:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, are you there? | Oct 15 13:43 |
| natasiel | hi Omar87 | Oct 15 13:43 |
| Omar87 | natasiel, hey | Oct 15 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMt7cFFKPeM | Oct 15 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | Oct 15 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Just watching some vids | Oct 15 13:48 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, soon enough we'll be holding a Software Freedom speech over at my college, and I'll be speaking about Software Freedom in Education. | Oct 15 13:51 |
| Omar87 | Can you supply me of some resources about developing countries which adopted free software in their the educational system? | Oct 15 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Aure. | Oct 15 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Sure, hold on. | Oct 15 13:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsfi.is/2009/08/free-software-in-the-icelandic-education-system/ | Oct 15 14:00 |
| phIRCe | Title: Félag um stafrænt frelsi á Ãslandi » Blog Archive » Free Software in the Icelandic Education System .::. Size~: 18.67 KB | Oct 15 14:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.igneousquill.net/2009/08/look-at-linux-educacional-30.html | Oct 15 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://xpapad.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/free-software-in-education/ | Oct 15 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/04/deploying-kde-to-52-million-young.html | Oct 15 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | This last one is the biggest success story, bar Russia | Oct 15 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Their education moves to Debian, serving 52 million students | Oct 15 14:02 |
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| Omar87 | Oh my God! | Oct 15 14:07 |
| Omar87 | That's an entire nation! | Oct 15 14:07 |
| Omar87 | Amazing! | Oct 15 14:08 |
| cubezzz | what took so long? :) | Oct 15 14:08 |
| cubezzz | well, Brazil of course | Oct 15 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: most coverage is in Portuguese | Oct 15 14:08 |
| cubezzz | no surprise there | Oct 15 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Computadores para 26 mil escolas | Oct 15 14:08 |
| schestowitz | http://portal.mec.gov.br/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12185&Itemid=86 | Oct 15 14:08 |
| oiaohm | I would like to see a status update on that 52 million. | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | English-speaking news underplays Linux and Free software | Oct 15 14:09 |
| Omar87 | Well, I can handle that. :) | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | It's different in French and Spanish, even German | Oct 15 14:09 |
| oiaohm | That project is large than the australias population. | Oct 15 14:09 |
| Omar87 | Google translate is a good tool. :) | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | 60 Thousand Russian Teachers Will Learn Linux by the End of 2009 | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | | As part of the initiative, Russian schools have already received CDs with | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | | Linux and other open-source tools distribution kits so that such solutions | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | | could be installed even in the schools with no broadband internet access. But | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | | of course such a large-scale deployment is not that easy to carry out without | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | | help of qualified professionals who can make it possible. | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | `---- | Oct 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | http://profy.com/2009/08/20/russian-teachers-will-learn-linux-by-2010/ | Oct 15 14:09 |
| phIRCe | Title: 60 Thousand Russian Teachers Will Learn Linux by the End of 2009 | Profy | Internet news and commentary .::. Size~: 43.31 KB | Oct 15 14:10 |
| cubezzz | it's reaching the tipping point if it hasn't already | Oct 15 14:10 |
| oiaohm | The ripple effects of these schools is going tob e interesting. | Oct 15 14:10 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: we are at the edge. | Oct 15 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully nothing stops the tipping. | Oct 15 14:11 |
| cubezzz | I'm totally ready :) | Oct 15 14:11 |
| oiaohm | The resistance to change is massive. | Oct 15 14:11 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Oct 15 14:11 |
| *cubezzz breaks out the Cuban cigars | Oct 15 14:12 | |
| Omar87 | http://piacentini.livejournal.com/7871.html | Oct 15 14:14 |
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| trmanco | haha | Oct 15 14:25 |
| trmanco | look what I've found | Oct 15 14:25 |
| oiaohm | trmanco: ? Found what? | Oct 15 14:40 |
| trmanco | a great foss app | Oct 15 14:41 |
| trmanco | mixxx | Oct 15 14:41 |
| trmanco | http://www.mixxx.org/ | Oct 15 14:49 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jWbDrKBPDcOvEPhXT9GeIzB4ijLQD9BBI8401 | Oct 15 14:55 |
| phIRCe | Title: The Associated Press: Social Security makes it official: No COLA in 2010 .::. Size~: 11.84 KB | Oct 15 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | no cost of living raise for retired people and disabled people this year | Oct 15 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | just for Wall Street, Congress, the President, CEOs, drug company executives..... | Oct 15 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | they use fuzzy math every year to determine how much you get in a COLA raise, and this year they say "energy prices" are down | Oct 15 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | well, a lot of disabled and retired people don't have a car or if they do, they don't do a lot of driving | Oct 15 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | and maybe their gas/electricity at home is covered by the landlord | Oct 15 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | so in other words, I won't save any money, but I will be hit by higher prices on food and clothes, you know, luxuries | Oct 15 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | and they use energy prices to weasel out of giving me an inflation adjustment | Oct 15 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think anyone wants to really figure out how to pay the bills on what I get, if you're not real careful you can go into overdraft real easily | Oct 15 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | I make about 48% of my income from when I was working every day | Oct 15 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | so just think about what life would be like for you with 52% of your income taken away and then just try telling me I wanted this | Oct 15 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | I get that from some unbelievably retarded people | Oct 15 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh, 52% of your income gone and no health coverage | Oct 15 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's wild, that they put you on disability income for medical reasons and don't give you any medical insurance | Oct 15 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | then they expect you to see the doctor and take your pills and if you don't, YOU are being uncooperative | Oct 15 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think there's a 2 year wait for Medicare because most people get their disability review every 1 or 2 years and they don't want you having a mountain of paperwork from the doctor to back your case when they try to take it from you | Oct 15 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | my reviews are 3 years thank god | Oct 15 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | I was lucky enough to have that second seizure in the emergency room in front of doctors and nurses that I can subpeona to court if needs be | Oct 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | if I was going to have another one that's where I'd want it to be | Oct 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | social security is going to have one hell of a time trying to refute this next year | Oct 15 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | those people are such dickheads, they really are | Oct 15 15:08 |
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| DaemonFC | they have all kinds of programs that they call "rehabilitation", and what it really does mean is that some place takes you on as a temp making half what their employees do, they work you just long enough to try and prove you aren't disabled, then social security takes your disability income away and that company fires you | Oct 15 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | I think they call that one "Ticket to Work" | Oct 15 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | I always call it Ticket to Get Fired and Lose Your Disability Income if someone asks me about it | Oct 15 15:21 |
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| trmanco | cool | Oct 15 15:36 |
| trmanco | skype is made in Qt | Oct 15 15:36 |
| trmanco | at least they made a good choice | Oct 15 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | QT works a lot better on Windows and Mac than GTK+ | Oct 15 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not wild about GTK+ apps even on Linux | Oct 15 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | Xchat is the only GTK+ app I'll use on Windows and only cause the other clients tend to look like they were written in VB.Net by a 5th grader | Oct 15 15:37 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 15 15:38 |
| trmanco | gimp looks good on windows too | Oct 15 15:38 |
| trmanco | and pidgin | Oct 15 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | I have Windows Live Messenger | Oct 15 15:38 |
| trmanco | if you use the silverx compiled xchat, the gtk version it uses has a weird tray icon bug | Oct 15 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | I mainly use that cause it's what all the people I know use | Oct 15 15:39 |
| trmanco | wlm is a piece of crap | Oct 15 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco, Yeah, but the official version is shareware | Oct 15 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't like to run any more cracks than I have to | Oct 15 15:39 |
| trmanco | yes for windows :-P | Oct 15 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | so screw it | Oct 15 15:39 |
| trmanco | compile it yourself | Oct 15 15:39 |
| trmanco | it's free that way | Oct 15 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | the bug is not THAT annoying | Oct 15 15:40 |
| trmanco | I never said it was | Oct 15 15:40 |
| trmanco | you can just disable the tray icon | Oct 15 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | I decided my one music format to rule them all will be FLAC | Oct 15 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | my 1 TB hard disk can hold them, my Sansa will play them | Oct 15 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | I much prefer WavPack, but the Sansa doesn't play it | Oct 15 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | more complicated decoding or something | Oct 15 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | seems to compress about 5-10% better than FLAC 8 | Oct 15 15:42 |
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| DaemonFC | there's only so much you can get without throwing stuff away though | Oct 15 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 15 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | half the size of WAV and same quality is still nice | Oct 15 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | I considered trying FLAKE, I think it goes up to level 15 | Oct 15 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | probably real slow though | Oct 15 15:43 |
| trmanco | we will have ff 3.6 soon | Oct 15 15:45 |
| trmanco | just one beta I think | Oct 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I like Opera better but I use Firefox | Oct 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | explain this | Oct 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft only had one valid point on those Best Buy modules, that was video chat | Oct 15 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | I think the rest of their conclusions required a lot of fudging to get to | Oct 15 15:49 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jyNegREI4mBG_aZVAc6lxxKbiBtQD9BBJ54G0 | Oct 15 15:53 |
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| DaemonFC | "President Barack Obama, who accused former President George W. Bush of leading a government "that sits on its hands while a major American city drowns," is hearing directly from New Orleans residents who have struggled to rebuild their city since the 2005 hurricane season." | Oct 15 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.crn.com/hardware/220600964;jsessionid=RDQ4KRCMATQRJQE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVN | Oct 15 16:00 |
| phIRCe | Title: Acer Steals No. 2 Spot From Dell In Global Q3 PC Shipments - Hardware - IT Channel News by CRN .::. Size~: 80.91 KB | Oct 15 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | Acer is now selling more PCs than Dell | Oct 15 16:01 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Both private and at work I run SE Linux enabled | Oct 15 16:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] How to raise your.... http://post.ly/8gPh | Oct 15 16:06 | |
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| P|scean | heh | Oct 15 16:16 |
| P|scean | ahh, its a book.. | Oct 15 16:18 |
| tessier | Isn't there some quote about democracy requiring an informed populace? Anyone know that quote? | Oct 15 16:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Looking for someone with a little time and some Google Maps API knowledge to help me with something.. anyone? | Oct 15 16:23 | |
| *amarsh04 has been using flac lately also... compressing is a less cpu intensive and non-lossy compared to mp3 | Oct 15 16:24 | |
| amarsh04 | I thought was that a free market needed informed consumers tessier | Oct 15 16:25 |
| amarsh04 | or that a free market assumed informed buyers | Oct 15 16:25 |
| tessier | amarsh04: I'd like to find that quote also | Oct 15 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | every lossy format has built-in lock in, even Ogg Vorbis | Oct 15 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | just because of the technical nature of the format | Oct 15 16:29 |
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| DaemonFC | if Ogg Vorbis dies a few years from now and it's all you have, you're stuck | Oct 15 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | Vorbis should be mainly seen as a streaming codec | Oct 15 16:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] If you're getting paid to store stuff, you store it. The contract is your rules. http://tinyurl.com/ylonjxg | Oct 15 16:31 | |
| phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | Technology | Call for rethink on data storage .::. Size~: 48.41 KB | Oct 15 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft and Apple and Google don't make any reliability guarantees | Oct 15 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'd venture to say it's in your contract that you waive all rights to seek damages iif they lose your data | Oct 15 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | nobody reads that shit | Oct 15 16:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] http://twitcam.com/3xuz - test | Oct 15 16:34 | |
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| trmanco | ... | Oct 15 16:34 |
| trmanco | my webcam works half of the time | Oct 15 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ryanf | Oct 15 16:36 |
| phIRCe | Title: RyanF on USTREAM: Whatever I feel like talking about.. Computers .::. Size~: 47.85 KB | Oct 15 16:36 |
| trmanco | it works perfectly on ustream | Oct 15 16:36 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 15 16:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Tabloids caught out by celebrity plastic surgery hoax | Media | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/yga3sc2 | Oct 15 16:37 | |
| trmanco | DaemonFC: do you have any clue why? | Oct 15 16:38 |
| trmanco | on ustream it just works like it's suppose to | Oct 15 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | no clue | Oct 15 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | what OS? | Oct 15 16:38 |
| trmanco | linux | Oct 15 16:40 |
| trmanco | it's stupid | Oct 15 16:40 |
| trmanco | ... | Oct 15 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | heh, for me it doesn't work on Ustream at all on Linux | Oct 15 16:40 |
| trmanco | on youtube it only works from time to time too | Oct 15 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | everything else works fine | Oct 15 16:40 |
| trmanco | ustream is what works best here | Oct 15 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | has anyone played Neverwinter Nights? | Oct 15 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if the Diamond Edition is worth it | Oct 15 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | Newegg has it for $10 | Oct 15 16:42 |
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| DaemonFC | who was it that was talking about Xchat for Windows a while ago? | Oct 15 16:44 |
| trmanco | me | Oct 15 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | I use Silverex because I don't like using cracks, I don't have a moral objection with cracking the official build since he is violating the spirit of the GPL license, if not the actual wording | Oct 15 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | most of the stuff I do use cracks on is stuff I actually bought | Oct 15 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | and it's cause things like SecuROM are annoying on Windows and may stop the game from working at all in Wine even though the game itself would otherwise run well | Oct 15 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say that "Zed" is in violation of the wording of the GPL as well | Oct 15 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | the shareware enforcement code is linked to GPL licensed code | Oct 15 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | and obviously the shareware blob is not GPL or open source at all for that matter | Oct 15 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'd file a lawsuit against him if he was in the United States | Oct 15 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | the state of Indiana has had a few cases where compliance with the GPL was in question | Oct 15 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | and the defendent argued it didn't apply to them for whatever reason | Oct 15 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | the defendent has always lost | Oct 15 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | in one finding of fact, an Indiana judge went so far as to state that while the GPL hindered that guys particular business model, it was a net gain for average people | Oct 15 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | that tickled me | Oct 15 16:51 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz argues that the US courts are hostile to free software, but they've actually made favorable rulings to free software licenses in the vast majority of cases | Oct 15 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | the UK from what I have seen pushed a lot more proprietary formats down your throat | Oct 15 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | everything from docx to PDF to Real Audio/Real Video | Oct 15 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | you can give up ever trying to get anything off a website there without preparing for a smattering of crapware | Oct 15 16:53 |
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| DaemonFC | I wonder if PetoKraus could tell us why nobody has every gone after Peter Zelezny "zed" for infringing on the GPL with Xchat for Windows | Oct 15 16:56 |
| PetoKraus | no idea | Oct 15 16:56 |
| PetoKraus | :D | Oct 15 16:56 |
| amarsh04 | tessier, have a look at "free market" and "perfect market" in wikipedia | Oct 15 17:01 |
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| DaemonFC | security essentials is out | Oct 15 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: mixx is not new | Oct 15 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | jono, should also be aware that Ubuntu is packaging a massively obsolete Ogg Vorbis encoder | Oct 15 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 15 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | the AoTuv releases offer much higher quality at same file sizes | Oct 15 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | jono is the community go to person correct? | Oct 15 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | apparently Xiph will be merging back all the hundreds of patches and such that separate reference encoder 1.2 from the latest AoTuv release | Oct 15 17:19 |
| jono | DaemonFC, again, why don't you contribute and help fix this? | Oct 15 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | but it is sort of an FSF thing so god only knows when that could be | Oct 15 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's supposedly on the table for a 1.3 | Oct 15 17:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <DaemonFC> schestowitz argues that the US courts are hostile to free software, but they've actually made favorable rulings to free software licenses in the vast majority of cases | Oct 15 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Where did I say this? | Oct 15 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | but it takes them months past their own deadline to get x.x.x releases like 1.2.3 | Oct 15 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | you keep saying that our government wants to burn free software proponents at the stake and eat their hearts (not in those words) | Oct 15 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | jono, the problem that I see is that someone just compiles a binary for Windows, it's out there, I drop it in a folder or run a short setup and it's in | Oct 15 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | now you may arguably get the same effect with a deb package, but in practice, it'll be a maintainence nightmare, you have to recompile and repackage things for different versions of Ubuntu, to say nothing about Debian | Oct 15 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Packaging hell is a major turnoff to anyone who was thinking about putting anything together | Oct 15 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | "universal" RPM or DEB packages never apply to anything but the most trivial programs with few dependencies and even then you have to come up with some kind of lowest common denominator to target and you still get to package it twice | Oct 15 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | jono, I'm not maintaining _anything_, I do have a PPA but I gave up on the idea before I even put anything in it | Oct 15 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | I did notice the new software installer is much more helpful than it has been in the past though, so kudos for that | Oct 15 17:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I think you're meowing up the wrong tree | Oct 15 17:28 |
| schestowitz | jono does not deal with development much | Oct 15 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think the reason people figure Ubuntu is friendly is because they haven't ran into anything they need that isn't there, and the more you can get of that the better, but there's always something that just does not exist that a non-trivial number of people want | Oct 15 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It used to be worse when nobody really used DEB distributions (Debian was for enthusiasts or servers and Ubuntu was new) and all you could find were RPMs | Oct 15 17:30 |
| schestowitz | It's easy cause it has a good slogan ;-) | Oct 15 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Implying that all others are "not for human being" | Oct 15 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Actually, saying "Free desktop for human beings would be best" | Oct 15 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Because the Linux is Ubuntu is almost exactly the same as in the rest | Oct 15 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC | meh, they name it whatever they want, that argument is dead | Oct 15 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora just avoids the manufactured controversy totally | Oct 15 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | they don't use "GNU" or "Linux" anywhere in the name | Oct 15 17:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Walmart is having a fire sale on their XP netbooks | Oct 15 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | went from $300 to $250 | Oct 15 17:34 |
| EDavidBurg | I wouldn't call $50 a firesale | Oct 15 17:35 |
| schestowitz | The criminals from Intel strike back. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558723/intel-sues-amd | Oct 15 17:35 |
| schestowitz | They were found guilty in several continents | Oct 15 17:36 |
| schestowitz | ANd now they sue "for defence" | Oct 15 17:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pocketables.net/2009/10/nokia-n920-possibly-already-in-the-works.html | Oct 15 17:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Não há nada igual a esta música, simplesmente, BOMBÁSTICA!!!11!!!!1! Viva ao Deadmouse <- lê-se dessa maneira ♫ http://blip.fm/~evenk | Oct 15 17:44 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 15 17:44 |
| trmanco | http://www.nytimes.com/external/readwriteweb/2009/10/13/13readwriteweb-google-accounts-for-6-of-all-internet-traff-90323.html | Oct 15 17:49 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Accounts for 6% of All Internet Traffic - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 49.31 KB | Oct 15 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Manchester Airport rethinks strip-scanner for kids http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/15/manchester_scanners/ | Oct 15 17:49 |
| phIRCe | Title: Airport rethinks strip-scanner for kids • The Register .::. Size~: 23.71 KB | Oct 15 17:49 |
| schestowitz | We're being shamed ! :-p | Oct 15 17:49 |
| schestowitz | People joke about the airport now | Oct 15 17:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/manweb.nsf | Oct 15 17:49 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: cause of YouTube | Oct 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Not fair | Oct 15 17:50 |
| trmanco | it's all traffic | Oct 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | They control like 70% of the Net video segment, niche excludes IIRC | Oct 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: so Google won't do shared hosting for much longer, I guess. | Oct 15 17:51 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4256&tag=col1;post-4256 | Oct 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Google has Wave and other things coming | Oct 15 17:51 |
| trmanco | who better to spoil the windows 7 release than Google :-P | Oct 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | They wanted to make their own dark Web | Oct 15 17:52 |
| trmanco | Gweb | Oct 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | There were theories about 2005 that Google would have people submit sites to it | Oct 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | And create a separate Web | Oct 15 17:52 |
| EDavidBurg | I got a google wave invite. It's not that cool. | Oct 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | China thought about it too if the rumours are true | Oct 15 17:52 |
| trmanco | they want to make a gNET | Oct 15 17:52 |
| trmanco | EDavidBurg: it's slow | Oct 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | GNU NET? | Oct 15 17:52 |
| trmanco | and no in html5 yet | Oct 15 17:52 |
| trmanco | no | Oct 15 17:52 |
| EDavidBurg | trmanco: that wasn't my problem... it's just not that useful. | Oct 15 17:53 |
| EDavidBurg | trmanco: it | Oct 15 17:53 |
| trmanco | a twisted, but yet powerful google version of skynet | Oct 15 17:53 |
| EDavidBurg | trmanco: it's not as good as, say, gobby, for collaborative editing | Oct 15 17:53 |
| EDavidBurg | it's not as good as email for writing messages | Oct 15 17:53 |
| trmanco | not yet no | Oct 15 17:53 |
| EDavidBurg | it's not as good as IM or IRC for messaging | Oct 15 17:53 |
| EDavidBurg | it's not as good as a Wiki for... well, wiki pages. | Oct 15 17:53 |
| EDavidBurg | I think it'll find its niche eventually, maybe I'm just not in it. | Oct 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/15/firefox_3_6_beta_test_build/ | Oct 15 17:58 |
| phIRCe | Title: Mozilla tantalises fans with Firefox 3.6 test build • The Register .::. Size~: 22.11 KB | Oct 15 17:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good use found for hypePhone: http://ping.fm/durIZ Good ending. | Oct 15 18:00 | |
| phIRCe | Title: iPhone saves woman from bear • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 19.02 KB | Oct 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8308490.stm | Oct 15 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia down again. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8308652.stm | Oct 15 18:04 |
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| DaemonFC | gonna get some caffeine free diet coke | Oct 15 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | this caffeine free thing is kind of weird | Oct 15 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | guess the doctor figured it would help get the blood pressure down, but it's just giving me withdrawl symptoms on top of my sore and aching (healing) arms, shoulders, back, neck, etc. | Oct 15 18:08 |
| EDavidBurg | I took a chem midterm today, one of the problems was to calcuate the molecular formula of caffeine | Oct 15 18:08 |
| EDavidBurg | made me lol a bit :) | Oct 15 18:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: be well | Oct 15 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | I told her I was keeping my morning cup of coffee but I'd do caffeine free everything else | Oct 15 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | the pop alone was probably 90% of my caffeine for the day | Oct 15 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | she recommended that I keep it below 200 mg a day, the amount of coffee I drink has about that much | Oct 15 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | the soda was probably adding between 500-800 mg per day | Oct 15 18:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,39796447-21000001c-20104622o,00.htm | Oct 15 18:13 |
| phIRCe | Title: Win7 slowdown - Ten reasons Windows 7 could flop - Talkback at ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 90.09 KB | Oct 15 18:13 |
| schestowitz | http://beginlinux.com/blog/2009/10/ubuntu-9-10-ufw-firewall/ | Oct 15 18:31 |
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| trmanco | http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/10/15/microsoft-the-sidekick-data-is-back/ | Oct 15 18:36 |
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| trmanco | " | Oct 15 18:43 |
| trmanco | 5. Switch to Linux-powered Computers | Oct 15 18:43 |
| trmanco | Did you know that Linux computers can save e-waste levels by 50%? There was a study done in 2004 that reported definite green benefits to running Linux-powered computers. The main reason: Windows systems had to change hardware every 3-4 years, where Linux systems only needed hardware refreshes every 6-8 years. (source) | Oct 15 18:43 |
| trmanco | While the study is five years old (an eternity in technology years), it still leaves something to consider the next time you purchase a computer." | Oct 15 18:43 |
| trmanco | I didn't see this one coming | Oct 15 18:43 |
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| trmanco | http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/web-roundups/top-20-ways-for-web-developers-to-reduce-their-carbon-footprint/ | Oct 15 18:45 |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz, I see that you gave the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's boss' speech about 'free' online content a mention - I heard it on the radio then went looking for an online mention | Oct 15 18:47 |
| trmanco | http://sixrevisions.com/infographics/performance-comparison-of-major-web-browsers/ | Oct 15 18:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Top 20 Ways for Web Developers to Reduce Their Carbon Footprint - Nettuts+ http://post.ly/8hhZ | Oct 15 18:51 | |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, I mentioned it in BN this afternoon | Oct 15 19:00 |
| amarsh04 | I should have looked harder for a transcript of the speech... it sounded very good | Oct 15 19:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "In The Air - Axwell Remix (TV Rock feat. Rudy) [HQ]" ♫ http://blip.fm/~evjyf | Oct 15 19:01 | |
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| schestowitz | Susan doesn't like kde..... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40347 | Oct 15 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | And watch the comment from Beranger | Oct 15 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | "I've been loving KDE 4.3 more than anything I've ever used. I currently use it in the beta (since alpha) of kubuntu 9.10. Give it a whirl, it's great :-)" | Oct 15 19:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] A New Theme & A Reminder http://tinyurl.com/ygh6awm | Oct 15 19:07 | |
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| EDavidBurg | is there a transcript of roy's interview with jono bacon somewhere? | Oct 15 19:15 |
| EDavidBurg | or a recording? | Oct 15 19:15 |
| trmanco | yes | Oct 15 19:20 |
| trmanco | but I don't know where yet | Oct 15 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Big blow to mono: http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/299 | Oct 15 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Allison says "put it in restricted repos" | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | jono: see the above. Jeremy from Novell says Mono is to be avoided | Oct 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if he has already put this in ZDNet as welll | Oct 15 19:27 |
| trmanco | they will just discredit him | Oct 15 19:31 |
| trmanco | as they usually do | Oct 15 19:31 |
| trmanco | ... | Oct 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | ot yet | Oct 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | With Allison it's hard | Oct 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | He has high karma | Oct 15 19:31 |
| trmanco | he is a smart guy too | Oct 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | It takes a thousand paunches to put RMS' karma down | Oct 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | They tried to injure him in many ways | Oct 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I spoke to Allison a few times | Oct 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Actually, he supports BN | Oct 15 19:32 |
| trmanco | is tux deluxe his? | Oct 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Many people who are very important but I can't name (they prefer for it to be confidential) support BN | Oct 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: nope | Oct 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I think Richard H's | Oct 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Or someone else who is GNU-oriented | Oct 15 19:33 |
| trmanco | http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/245 | Oct 15 19:33 |
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| trmanco | they have a problem on this page | Oct 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Allison used to do the samba newsletter, now he does zdnet and tux deluxe | Oct 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | But anyway.. | Oct 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I'd better make some new posts | Oct 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | BN I've neglected today | Oct 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Done some other work (not FOSS related) | Oct 15 19:34 |
| trmanco | I'll email them about this isse | Oct 15 19:34 |
| trmanco | issue* | Oct 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | I've just been linked to twice by a linux journalist | Oct 15 19:35 |
| schestowitz | The Comes exhibits prove valuable to many | Oct 15 19:35 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber will come back soon | Oct 15 19:35 |
| *schestowitz gets prepared for posts | Oct 15 19:35 | |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: is your FLOSS weekly interview available somewhere? | Oct 15 19:37 |
| trmanco | I just added tuxdeluxe to my reads | Oct 15 19:37 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: nope. | Oct 15 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: it's good signal/noise ratio there, but not so active anymore | Oct 15 19:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] fds, mas o crl da luz vai subir novamente? Isto é como o petroleo fds... qualquer dia compro umas placas fotovoltaicas cá para casa... | Oct 15 19:41 | |
| trmanco | http://www.toofishes.net/blog/readwriteweb-hosters-unoriginal-content/ | Oct 15 19:46 |
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| trmanco | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/kdenlive-meets-studio-dave | Oct 15 19:57 |
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| trmanco | "Nasty stuff! In the meantime, RedHat keeps a strong leadership in the server, and I am starting to move my desktops to purely Qt/KDE installs (to avoid any Mono contamination)." | Oct 15 19:58 |
| trmanco | http://lwn.net/Articles/357152/ | Oct 15 19:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #JeremyAllison Recommends Moving #Mono to "Restricted" Repositories http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/299 http://ur1.ca/donq | Oct 15 19:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LloydsTSB Plays Ball for Microsoft by Blocking IE Rivals http://ur1.ca/doo6 #firefox | Oct 15 20:00 | |
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| *Diablo-D3 has quit ("do coders dream of sheep()?") | Oct 15 20:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple 's Products a Bugfest Again http://ur1.ca/dook http://ur1.ca/doon | Oct 15 20:03 | |
| trmanco | http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 | Oct 15 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: where is the quote from? | Oct 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Re Mono | Oct 15 20:04 |
| trmanco | I posted the link right after it | Oct 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I'll catch up later, never mind | Oct 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | i can't multitask while blogging so well | Oct 15 20:04 |
| trmanco | :-P | Oct 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | It's distracting | Oct 15 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I can't do input/output at the same time | Oct 15 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Writing about a topic while getting more info about it at the same time | Oct 15 20:07 |
| trmanco | d | Oct 15 20:07 |
| trmanco | yes it's hard | Oct 15 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Also, my RAM doesn't like it | Oct 15 20:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] WiFi goes peer-to-peer - News - Linux for Devices http://post.ly/8iK1 | Oct 15 20:07 | |
| schestowitz | knode take up 850mb | Oct 15 20:07 |
| trmanco | :O | Oct 15 20:07 |
| trmanco | mine wont go over 50 MB | Oct 15 20:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Beats #Vista7 , #Amarok 2.2.1 is Near http://ur1.ca/dopt http://ur1.ca/dopu | Oct 15 20:13 | |
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| phIRCe | Title: Amarok 2.2.1 - We're getting there! - Amarok Blog .::. Size~: 67.59 KB | Oct 15 20:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Themes Galore: Latest and Greatest http://ur1.ca/doq1 | Oct 15 20:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top 20 Features in #Mandriva 2010 and the Important of Choice http://ur1.ca/doq8 http://ur1.ca/doqa | Oct 15 20:15 | |
| phIRCe | Title: 20 Features in Mandriva 2010 | We love Linux ! .::. Size~: 32.74 KB | Oct 15 20:15 |
| phIRCe | Title: Freedom to Choose - Alternatives What do I have ? .::. Size~: 27.38 KB | Oct 15 20:15 |
| MinceR | Freedom to Cheese | Oct 15 20:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Moves More Quickly to #Linux as Proprietary Jewels Die Fast http://ur1.ca/doqo http://ur1.ca/doqp http://ur1.ca/doqq | Oct 15 20:18 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Nokia N920 possibly already in the works .::. Size~: 35.51 KB | Oct 15 20:18 |
| phIRCe | Title: Nokia Posts Big Loss, But Not Because Of Mobile Phones Business .::. Size~: 26.37 KB | Oct 15 20:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Dell Support of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux , More Good News http://ur1.ca/doqw http://ur1.ca/doqx http://ur1.ca/doqy | Oct 15 20:20 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Ubuntu 9.04 Now Available on Dell Computers - Get in with the Studio XPS 13, Inspiron 15 or the Inspiron 537 - Softpedia .::. Size~: 51.54 KB | Oct 15 20:20 |
| phIRCe | Title: A journey to the center of Ubuntu 9.10 | Earth Hacks .::. Size~: 81.57 KB | Oct 15 20:20 |
| phIRCe | Title: OMG! UBUNTU!: UbuntuOne Gets ANOTHER New Icon - This Time It's Pretty Nice! .::. Size~: 147.79 KB | Oct 15 20:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer 's Bet on #Linux and the Future of Linux in #Devices http://ur1.ca/dorh http://ur1.ca/dori | Oct 15 20:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glimpse at Sub-notebooks' #KDE Environment http://bit.ly/1B1zMa | Oct 15 20:25 | |
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| phIRCe | Title: What the Kubuntu Netbook Live CD looks like « A Conservative Techie .::. Size~: 24.42 KB | Oct 15 20:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MarkSpencer Interview ( #Asterisk Turns 10) http://bit.ly/MEaz0 | Oct 15 20:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox 3.6 Reaches Beta http://bit.ly/lLyQL | Oct 15 20:28 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Mozilla tantalises fans with Firefox 3.6 test build • The Register .::. Size~: 22.13 KB | Oct 15 20:28 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #FreeSoftware on Free #Platforms is the Real Way to Go http://ur1.ca/do76 #foss | Oct 15 20:29 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Free on free > proprietary on free > free on proprietary > proprietary on proprietary | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 33.27 KB | Oct 15 20:29 |
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| amarsh04 | if the aim is to gain freedom, one needs to work on replacing proprietary software with free software | Oct 15 20:37 |
| amarsh04 | vlc, firefox, sumatra, OOo are good starts for someone who thinks that they are tied to ms-windows | Oct 15 20:39 |
| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/10/qt-46-promises-to-deliver-windows-7-maemo-and-s60-support.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss | Oct 15 20:41 |
| phIRCe | Title: Qt 4.6 promises to deliver Windows 7, Maemo, and S60 support - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 45.59 KB | Oct 15 20:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top FLOSS Lawyers Say GPLv3 Better Than GPL2 http://ur1.ca/dosr will @linuxfoundation respond? | Oct 15 20:42 | |
| phIRCe | Title: GPLv2 - copyright code or contract? • The Register .::. Size~: 27.04 KB | Oct 15 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | [20:08] <trmanco> mine wont go over 50 MB | Oct 15 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | It would, with 400,000 msg headers in memory | Oct 15 20:46 |
| trmanco | heh | Oct 15 20:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EuropeanUnion Frees #Literature Following #Google 's Lead http://bit.ly/b1JhO | Oct 15 20:46 | |
| phIRCe | Title: EU fires 2 million docs at Google Books • The Register .::. Size~: 20.76 KB | Oct 15 20:46 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/OpenOffice-org-migrating-to-Mercurial-829587.html?mrw_channel=open%3bmrw_channel=open | Oct 15 20:48 |
| phIRCe | Title: OpenOffice.org migrating to Mercurial - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 25.66 KB | Oct 15 20:48 |
| trmanco | ping MinceR | Oct 15 20:48 |
| trmanco | :> | Oct 15 20:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Copyright Cartels Stagnate or Surrender to the Internet http://ur1.ca/dot4 | Oct 15 20:48 | |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube Strikes Deal With UK Broadcaster | WebProNews .::. Size~: 27.85 KB | Oct 15 20:48 |
| trmanco | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/10/dont_sell_open.html;jsessionid=K5KOQ5EYJEGTHQE1GHPSKHWATMY32JVN?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_ALL | Oct 15 20:50 |
| trmanco | hmmm | Oct 15 20:50 |
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| trmanco | ah | Oct 15 20:50 |
| trmanco | I thought I knew why some links weren't fetched, but no | Oct 15 20:50 |
| MinceR | trmanco: pong | Oct 15 20:50 |
| *trmanco ouch | Oct 15 20:50 | |
| trmanco | Response time: ~ 2 mins | Oct 15 20:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Internet #Censorship Attempted in the UK and the World at Large http://bit.ly/8WFUa | Oct 15 20:51 | |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 15 20:51 |
| phIRCe | Title: Barmy MPs want mandatory nanny filters - for the world • The Register .::. Size~: 22.11 KB | Oct 15 20:51 |
| trmanco | http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/development/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220600862&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_ALL | Oct 15 20:52 |
| phIRCe | Title: Nokia Releases Qt 4.6 Framework -- Mobile Apps -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 104.88 KB | Oct 15 20:52 |
| trmanco | Google Earth is on Qt, but why didn't they do the same for chromium | Oct 15 20:52 |
| trmanco | is built with* | Oct 15 20:52 |
| MinceR | they've lost some of the little clue they had | Oct 15 20:53 |
| MinceR | someone here said they hired some code monkeys from m$ | Oct 15 20:53 |
| trmanco | for the windows port | Oct 15 20:53 |
| trmanco | yes | Oct 15 20:53 |
| trmanco | they might have | Oct 15 20:54 |
| MinceR | chromium started on winblows | Oct 15 20:54 |
| schestowitz | This one is weird... works perfectly here. http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1032 | Oct 15 20:54 |
| trmanco | they reversed engineered the kernel | Oct 15 20:54 |
| phIRCe | Title: Is Kubuntu Caught in a Downward Spiral? : IT News Today .::. Size~: 24.96 KB | Oct 15 20:54 |
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| trmanco | http://www.builderau.com.au/video/soa/Oracle-announces-Exadata-2/0,2000064338,22488653p,00.htm?feed=rss | Oct 15 20:56 |
| phIRCe | Title: Oracle announces Exadata 2 - Videos - Builder AU .::. Size~: 28.07 KB | Oct 15 20:56 |
| EDavidBurg | turns out, #botcottnovell doesn't take you to the same place as #boycottnovell... :) | Oct 15 20:56 |
| trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139422/Mozilla_will_let_rival_browsers_run_Firefox_security_tool?source=rss_news | Oct 15 20:57 |
| phIRCe | Title: Mozilla will let rival browsers run Firefox security tool .::. Size~: 136.05 KB | Oct 15 20:57 |
| trmanco | should it? | Oct 15 20:57 |
| schestowitz | For Windows, maybe | Oct 15 20:58 |
| EDavidBurg | no, but I tried joining there and was surprised when it was empty and I was opped. | Oct 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Spyware being an exception | Oct 15 20:58 |
| EDavidBurg | typos for the loss | Oct 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: maybe those cyberquatters | Oct 15 20:59 |
| schestowitz | *squatters | Oct 15 20:59 |
| trmanco | heh | Oct 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | I try to keep out all the plugins I don't really need | Oct 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has been dropping in unwanted plugins right and left into Firefox lately | Oct 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's annoying | Oct 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's like they're trying to turn it into Microsoft Firefox through littering it with plugins | Oct 15 21:03 |
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| DaemonFC | it's not like Mozilla can blacklist their plugins with no reason | Oct 15 21:07 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Oct 15 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, this sound chipset is good for 24-bit 48000 Hz | Oct 15 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | must explain why all my FLAC encoded vinyl sounds really good | Oct 15 21:24 |
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| _goblin | , | Oct 15 21:58 |
| trmanco | Oct 15 22:05 | |
| MinceR | . | Oct 15 22:05 |
| EDavidBurg | are we posting random non-alphanumerics? | Oct 15 22:06 |
| MinceR | maybe | Oct 15 22:06 |
| EDavidBurg | \ | Oct 15 22:06 |
| EDavidBurg | backslash was always a favorite of mine... | Oct 15 22:06 |
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| trmanco | ./\. | Oct 15 22:09 |
| trmanco | ¨ | Oct 15 22:09 |
| trmanco | meh | Oct 15 22:09 |
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| trmanco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Penguin | Oct 15 22:38 |
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| _goblin | EDavidBurg is a regular on Linsux.....he recently gloated when he tried to claim he trolled us.... | Oct 15 22:38 |
| trmanco | ah | Oct 15 22:39 |
| trmanco | I got a sensation that I've seen that nick somewhere | Oct 15 22:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/lnn27 - Showing another comment being RT'd by Hashwindows | Oct 15 22:44 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Showing another comment being RT'd by Hashwindows on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.01 KB | Oct 15 22:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/lnn62 - and now, those RT'd deleted. A example of censorship? Is hashwindows "human" supervised? | Oct 15 22:45 | |
| phIRCe | Title: and now, those RT'd deleted. A example of censorship? Is has... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.08 KB | Oct 15 22:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Expenses probe MP to stand down - but will he face fraud charges? http://tinyurl.com/yjqw5ot | Oct 15 22:47 | |
| phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Expenses probe MP to stand down .::. Size~: 60.05 KB | Oct 15 22:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] When is a RT Bot not a RT Bot? – Hashwindows? http://tinyurl.com/yhhss58 #microsoft #windows #vista #xp | Oct 15 22:48 | |
| phIRCe | Title: When is a RT Bot not a RT Bot? Hashwindows? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 33.23 KB | Oct 15 22:48 |
| _goblin | Think I'll pop over to Linsux...see if they wish to make any comments for an article Im writing... | Oct 15 22:51 |
| MinceR | about them? | Oct 15 22:52 |
| _goblin | sort of... | Oct 15 22:52 |
| _goblin | strange....it looks like they have taken away their chat... | Oct 15 22:53 |
| _goblin | :( | Oct 15 22:55 |
| _goblin | ah..its seems that Linsux chat has been removed.....all 8 users of it. | Oct 15 22:55 |
| _goblin | nope...scrub that..think Ive found it....with 1 other user...times are hard.... | Oct 15 22:56 |
| trmanco | heh | Oct 15 23:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Aww the Linsux chat room has been reduced to 1 user...(thats from 8 originally) times must be hard. LOL. #linux #foss | Oct 15 23:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] oh no! Standby...there may be another Linsux channel....! The excitement! | Oct 15 23:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Yep, there is....and I'm banned! LOL. The troller's don't like uncomfortable things like facts being put to them. #linux #foss | Oct 15 23:04 | |
| _goblin | lol...yep banned from Linsux.... | Oct 15 23:07 |
| _goblin | and now Im in... | Oct 15 23:07 |
| _goblin | lets see whose here: 8 users + me...... lets strike up a conversation...... | Oct 15 23:08 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My take on: Jeremy Allison Recommends Passing #Mono Software to Basket of Proprietary Software http://ping.fm/SuEqB | Oct 15 23:16 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Jeremy Allison Recommends Passing Mono Software to Basket of Proprietary Software | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.27 KB | Oct 15 23:16 |
| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHSZfhY25Jc | Oct 15 23:21 |
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| trmanco | powerful | Oct 15 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | Nnnneat,. | Oct 15 23:44 |
| schestowitz | A little laggy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHSZfhY25Jc#t=200 | Oct 15 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | 2005: http://news.cnet.com/Gartner-Ignore-Vista-until-2008/2100-1016_3-5947521.html | Oct 15 23:50 |
| phIRCe | Title: Gartner: Ignore Vista until 2008 - CNET News .::. Size~: 121.02 KB | Oct 15 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Another bad prediction: http://www.windows-vista-update.com/Gartner-Vista-wont-ship-until-Q2-2007.html | Oct 15 23:51 |
| phIRCe | Title: Gartner Vista wont ship until Q2 2007 .::. Size~: 32.43 KB | Oct 15 23:51 |
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