| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: the ones that oiaohm is talking about | Oct 17 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | voltronw: I'll answer in a moment | Oct 17 00:00 |
| schestowitz | I can't multitask well with posts and IRC | Oct 17 00:00 |
| schestowitz | I get distracted and lose train of thought.... | Oct 17 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Not to apply patents against there users that is how the seam to read but there a lot of issues in design of the documents. EDavidBurg | Oct 17 00:01 |
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| oiaohm | Ie loop holes where if person does something slightly different they are no longer coverd. | Oct 17 00:02 |
| EDavidBurg | oiaohm: so you're saying you can't install Ubuntu on a Dell machine without using Dell's ISO? | Oct 17 00:02 |
| EDavidBurg | oiaohm: and if you do, Microsoft can sue your pants off? | Oct 17 00:03 |
| voltronw | EDavidBurg: does that sound insane to you too? | Oct 17 00:03 |
| EDavidBurg | A little bit | Oct 17 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Due to the loop homes in the agreement. | Oct 17 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Homes/holes | Oct 17 00:03 |
| oiaohm | That basically should never had been there. | Oct 17 00:03 |
| EDavidBurg | where is the text of the patent agreement with the loophole? | Oct 17 00:04 |
| oiaohm | On the USA stock exchange EDavidBurg | Oct 17 00:04 |
| EDavidBurg | oiaohm: care to link me? | Oct 17 00:04 |
| voltronw | oiaohm: link? | Oct 17 00:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org Adopts #Mercurial and Releases New Beta http://ur1.ca/drxm http://ur1.ca/drxo #ooo | Oct 17 00:04 | |
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| oiaohm | The agreement is particular. If Dell or Microsoft or Novell or patners provide coverage. If another third party provides the same thing no coverage. | Oct 17 00:06 |
| voltronw | oiaohm: citation? | Oct 17 00:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle Challenged by #FreeSoftware in #Databases , Adopts #FOSS in Response http://ur1.ca/drxx http://ur1.ca/drxz | Oct 17 00:06 | |
| oiaohm | voltronw: why would you create an agreement like this. | Oct 17 00:06 |
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| oiaohm | It called a controlled supply agreement. | Oct 17 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Something MS has done for ages. | Oct 17 00:07 |
| EDavidBurg | oiaohm: you still haven't given any evidence that what you're saying about the agreement has any veracity whatsoever | Oct 17 00:07 |
| oiaohm | I am not digging into the stock exchnage for the report to them for it. | Oct 17 00:08 |
| satipera | Roy, I have just finished watching your interview, good job. You warmed up as you went along. Jono bacon in the end came across badly especially has he tried to patronise you at least 3 times with the same "your heart is in the right place" line, and by digging himself a huge hole on the subject of spam and how you are supposedly responsible for everyone who links to the site. Also after the interview was over some of th | Oct 17 00:08 |
| oiaohm | It is there for everyone to read. | Oct 17 00:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Said to be Capable of Saving #UK #Schools £60 Million http://ur1.ca/dry5 | Oct 17 00:08 | |
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| EDavidBurg | oiaohm: okay, so you're not doing to back up any of your claims; good to know | Oct 17 00:09 |
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| voltronw | EDavidBurg: seems to be a running theme | Oct 17 00:09 |
| oiaohm | EDavidBurg: just not bothering for the simple reason had this agruement enough times. | Oct 17 00:09 |
| oiaohm | And if you go looking in the stock exchange you will see the other documents as well. | Oct 17 00:10 |
| trmanco | http://tinyurl.com/b2kl39 | Oct 17 00:10 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 17 00:10 |
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| oiaohm | You are aware that the lead of mono has not even got full carfication on what they are allowed to do under the agreement either. | Oct 17 00:11 |
| voltronw | oiaohm: citation? | Oct 17 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Directly ask him. | Oct 17 00:11 |
| oiaohm | It might have changed. | Oct 17 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Last time I asked on thrid party distribution he could not provide clear answer and said legal department of novel had not been able to get an answer out of MS. | Oct 17 00:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU -based System Called #Antomic Takes Off http://bit.ly/2pG5H | Oct 17 00:14 | |
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| voltronw | oiaohm: i rode my flying unicorn to work today. i'd link you to a picture... but i don't feel like it | Oct 17 00:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #US #Education Chooses #FreeSoftware ( #Drupal ) for Web Sites http://ur1.ca/dryh http://ur1.ca/dryi http://ur1.ca/dryj | Oct 17 00:16 | |
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| oiaohm | voltronw: Simple point is not my job to do the research for you. | Oct 17 00:17 |
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| oiaohm | voltronw: I have told you were you need to look. | Oct 17 00:18 |
| voltronw | oiaohm: actually it is. you make a point, you present evidence to back up that point. | Oct 17 00:18 |
| voltronw | well, you don't. most people do. | Oct 17 00:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #JetBrains Component Goes #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/dryq http://ur1.ca/dryr | Oct 17 00:19 | |
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| oiaohm | Along the way you will learn how to see future problems comming by learning to search the stock exchanges. voltronw I would not be doing you a long term favour just presenting you with the link. | Oct 17 00:20 |
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| voltronw | oiaohm: ah, thanks so much for doing me a favor. i owe you one. | Oct 17 00:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Sky blasts BBC over use of licence fees for television http://notnews.today.com/?p=694 (everyone did all the #janmoir jokes first!) | Oct 17 00:22 | |
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| oiaohm | Besides the links got plased accorss many news sites as well voltronw most people did not bother reading them. | Oct 17 00:23 |
| voltronw | oiaohm: please find onf of the many news sites that it was "plased accorrs" and paste the url into irc | Oct 17 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Note this was years ago. Before gpl3 | Oct 17 00:25 |
| oiaohm | It was the cause of gplv3 being written as well. | Oct 17 00:26 |
| voltronw | oiaohm: i'm getting a litlte tired of this. so, one more time: citation? | Oct 17 00:27 |
| voltronw | i'd love to read some supporting evidence that dell was the cause of the gpl3 | Oct 17 00:27 |
| oiaohm | MS/Novell deal | Oct 17 00:27 |
| oiaohm | That dell become a patener to be covered by. | Oct 17 00:27 |
| oiaohm | And if you dig far enough there is a way to get the same coverage as dell for zero dollars. | Oct 17 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Loop holes takes a time and effort to find ones to you advantage and ones to your disadvantage. | Oct 17 00:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Musicians Retreat Away from #Copyright #Cartel http://ur1.ca/drzi http://ur1.ca/drzj | Oct 17 00:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12225723 | Oct 17 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Some dude thought I had it automated or something, which of course I don't | Oct 17 00:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Minimum Wage, Maximum Outrage" http://ping.fm/8EarA | Oct 17 02:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Mark up one more user I've introduced to Linux! They are very happy with their Linux Mint nstallation. #windows #microsoft #foss #linux | Oct 17 02:16 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/oct/14/bees-scientific-research | Oct 17 02:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Mark up one more user I've introduced to Linux! They are very happy with their Linux Mint nstallation. #foss #linux | Oct 17 02:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16/kaspersky_rebukes_net_anonymity/ Security boss calls for end to net anonymity | Oct 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYADrhUR8nk&feature=related | Oct 17 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | Intresting blog: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/ | Oct 17 03:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I see you are "burning the midnight oil" aswell! Im off to bed in a minute..GN. | Oct 17 03:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | my friend got her citizenship approved finally | Oct 17 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | took about long enough | Oct 17 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | I've always wondered why the government was heckling her (she was smuggled here as a baby and lived here her whole life) when there are thousands of people who just jump over a fence from Mexico every day | Oct 17 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | to be more precise, a lot of them just leech off welfare and demand that I speak Spanish | Oct 17 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | she went to school while all this was going on and got a useful skill | Oct 17 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why the US government gives more priority to people who knowingly entered illegally with the intent to defraud our welfare system | Oct 17 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.sun.com/solutions/cloudcomputing/index.jsp | Oct 17 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 17 04:33 |
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| Will | schestowitz: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139459/Sneaky_Microsoft_plug_in_puts_Firefox_users_at_risk | Oct 17 07:28 |
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| Will | schestowitz: It was addressed by a recent patch, but still, considering Microsoft recently tried to FUD the Chrome Frame plugin in IE... | Oct 17 07:30 |
| Will | And at least Google doesn't force its plugin on IE users. | Oct 17 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Chrome frame plugin is addressing weaknesses in IE own rendering engine. | Oct 17 07:33 |
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| Will | oiaohm: I know, and iirc, they got a 10x performance boost out of IE by using the Frame engine instead of the IE one. | Oct 17 07:36 |
| Will | it was on ./ a while back | Oct 17 07:36 |
| Will | and now for a great regex on that last post: s/.\//\/./ | Oct 17 07:37 |
| amarsh04 | thanks schestowitz, just read that article from theaustralian.news.com.au | Oct 17 07:44 |
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| PetoKraus | oh boy | Oct 17 08:18 |
| PetoKraus | this openoffice paging system is complicated | Oct 17 08:18 |
| PetoKraus | but it works | Oct 17 08:18 |
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| oiaohm | There are a few extentions out there for writers to make it work simpler PetoKraus | Oct 17 08:37 |
| oiaohm | At least once you have openoffice paging set it works compared to MS Word that can kinda get lost somewhere and skip pages and other stupid things. | Oct 17 08:38 |
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| PetoKraus | oiaohm, it works ok | Oct 17 08:44 |
| PetoKraus | even without extensions | Oct 17 08:44 |
| PetoKraus | and I need some awkward stuff | Oct 17 08:44 |
| PetoKraus | like different formats on various pages | Oct 17 08:44 |
| PetoKraus | borders, footers, page numbers etcf | Oct 17 08:44 |
| PetoKraus | *etc | Oct 17 08:45 |
| PetoKraus | it's literally freezing here | Oct 17 08:46 |
| PetoKraus | 15C in my room | Oct 17 08:47 |
| PetoKraus | i should start compiling something to heat it up here | Oct 17 08:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | holy shit | Oct 17 08:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | 59f | Oct 17 08:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats cold | Oct 17 08:48 |
| PetoKraus | i was cycling like 2 hours ago from my gf's place | Oct 17 08:49 |
| PetoKraus | my fingers were falling off | Oct 17 08:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | cycling _from_? you idiot | Oct 17 08:49 |
| PetoKraus | it must've been like -10 | Oct 17 08:49 |
| PetoKraus | but then, it's 1/2 of october... | Oct 17 08:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | its 33f outside here | Oct 17 08:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | or 0c | Oct 17 08:51 |
| PetoKraus | yeah. my fingers are so frozen, that i managed to block my access to my internet banking | Oct 17 08:57 |
| PetoKraus | :/ | Oct 17 08:57 |
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| oiaohm | I wonder if you case is like mine | Oct 17 08:58 |
| oiaohm | Pop one of the plasitic case fillers off put hands in there have them warm fairly quicky. | Oct 17 08:59 |
| oiaohm | Thanks to Nvidia video card. | Oct 17 08:59 |
| PetoKraus | heh | Oct 17 09:00 |
| PetoKraus | onboard ATI HD 4200 | Oct 17 09:00 |
| PetoKraus | doesn't even have active cooling | Oct 17 09:01 |
| oiaohm | I have a old butt upper model Nvidia card. | Oct 17 09:01 |
| oiaohm | My processor is a amd64 that is lucky to be 4 c above room. | Oct 17 09:01 |
| PetoKraus | my rig is basically week old | Oct 17 09:01 |
| oiaohm | Even at full load. | Oct 17 09:02 |
| PetoKraus | yup | Oct 17 09:02 |
| PetoKraus | they were quite cold these thigns | Oct 17 09:02 |
| PetoKraus | i remember having my AMD 64 3000+ running on 27C | Oct 17 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Without video card I would not even have a hand heater. | Oct 17 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Intel processor by any chance PetoKraus | Oct 17 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Those will heat up. | Oct 17 09:03 |
| PetoKraus | well, nowadays, this X3 phenom i've got, 44.5C when cold :) | Oct 17 09:03 |
| PetoKraus | off to work, talk to you later guys | Oct 17 09:06 |
| oiaohm | https://services.google.com/fb/forms/streetviewussuggestions/?utm_campaign=en&utm_medium=van&utm_source=en-van-na-us-gns-svn-com/trike Hmm | Oct 17 09:08 |
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| qsheets | anyone here good with M$ IIS? | Oct 17 09:24 |
| oiaohm | Other than don't use it because its a evil interconnected MS qsheets | Oct 17 09:25 |
| oiaohm | Get some settings wrong in IIS and ntbackup referses to run. | Oct 17 09:25 |
| qsheets | oiaohm: then you'll love this... | Oct 17 09:25 |
| qsheets | http://fcnewton.ath.cx:81/ | Oct 17 09:25 |
| qsheets | you see a "website down" error, right? | Oct 17 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Oct 17 09:26 |
| qsheets | all my local comps see only the images and the word "Newton" | Oct 17 09:27 |
| oiaohm | That is not exactly IIS. | Oct 17 09:27 |
| qsheets | you see index.htm and locally, I see index.php | Oct 17 09:27 |
| oiaohm | If I type in index.php I still see the right page. | Oct 17 09:28 |
| oiaohm | Are you running windows web caching? | Oct 17 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Yes interconnected Mess. | Oct 17 09:29 |
| qsheets | idk | Oct 17 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Alter IIS settings also effects that. | Oct 17 09:29 |
| oiaohm | It gets even worse if you have nortons anti-virus management. | Oct 17 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Thinking it wants to be the prime site. | Oct 17 09:30 |
| oiaohm | Have you broken wsus as well? | Oct 17 09:30 |
| *qsheets deletes index.htm | Oct 17 09:31 | |
| oiaohm | Ok I now have blank. | Oct 17 09:31 |
| qsheets | should be good, now | Oct 17 09:32 |
| oiaohm | Now have the newton | Oct 17 09:32 |
| qsheets | good thing my main server at home runs Ubuntu and thus apache | Oct 17 09:33 |
| oiaohm | IIS is the web server you use if you want to have people killing you every time you make an alteration. | Oct 17 09:34 |
| oiaohm | I have not said the best. | Oct 17 09:34 |
| oiaohm | You know windows graphicall like short cuts ie the manage server screen that is also rendered by IIS. | Oct 17 09:34 |
| oiaohm | So yes getting IIS wrong really upsets things. | Oct 17 09:35 |
| qsheets | that one is WinXP Pro | Oct 17 09:35 |
| oiaohm | Windows service 2003 and 2008 skiped over including the independant render that was in XP. | Oct 17 09:36 |
| oiaohm | Just used IIS. | Oct 17 09:36 |
| oiaohm | Note Windows 2000 it was independant to IIS. | Oct 17 09:37 |
| qsheets | oiaohm: Is there any merit in having a server run WinSE 2003 over Ubuntu SE? | Oct 17 09:37 |
| oiaohm | Currently ADS server to manage windows clients is a good reason to run a Windows server | Oct 17 09:37 |
| oiaohm | Same with running wsus to track update deployment. | Oct 17 09:38 |
| oiaohm | For web sites no real advantages to windows servers. | Oct 17 09:38 |
| qsheets | how about hosted services (not including terminal apps) | Oct 17 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Define services. | Oct 17 09:39 |
| oiaohm | If they are cross platform really no advantage to windows. | Oct 17 09:40 |
| qsheets | media streaming, file server, mail server | Oct 17 09:40 |
| oiaohm | file server solarias is the best. | Oct 17 09:40 |
| oiaohm | media streaming mediatomb for upnp is not bad. Then there are other streaming software for cross internet no real advantage to windows there either. | Oct 17 09:41 |
| oiaohm | mail server clients running outlook and they want full intergration ie exchange maybe windows server. | Oct 17 09:41 |
| oiaohm | But exchange server is a dumb brick. | Oct 17 09:42 |
| qsheets | agreed | Oct 17 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie will not look up email on a person account when they request email. | Oct 17 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Most other mail servers can be set to check for mail when user requests mail from server for that user. | Oct 17 09:42 |
| oiaohm | On outside servers. | Oct 17 09:42 |
| qsheets | ok, and just for the hell of it... how do you feel about Novell+Windows being used in a University environment? | Oct 17 09:43 |
| oiaohm | When samba gets ADS lot of MS server reasons disappear. | Oct 17 09:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Annoyingly facebook intercepts ALT+1, ALT+2 that I use in Chrome to switch tabs. and switches in the facebook tab. | Oct 17 09:43 | |
| oiaohm | qsheets: at least is better than a Uni using pure windows. | Oct 17 09:44 |
| qsheets | oiaohm: even though during high traffic hours, it takes over a minute to login | Oct 17 09:45 |
| oiaohm | Windows clients qsheets? | Oct 17 09:45 |
| oiaohm | They can be bugger all slow to login no matter the server. | Oct 17 09:45 |
| qsheets | windows computers running a Novell login | Oct 17 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Novell login can be faster than windows normal login. | Oct 17 09:46 |
| qsheets | and Mac is even faster :P | Oct 17 09:47 |
| oiaohm | MS systems screw around too much on login. | Oct 17 09:47 |
| qsheets | true, they close processes just to reopenthem | Oct 17 09:49 |
| qsheets | s/nt/n_t | Oct 17 09:49 |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 17 09:50 |
| qsheets | Goodbye Cruel World! | Oct 17 09:51 |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/z1o-8VN8MSM/snow-leopard-beats-windows-7-in-almost-every-count-on-mac-hardware | Oct 17 09:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | bwahahhaha | Oct 17 09:54 |
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| qsheets | Diablo-D3: nice | Oct 17 09:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/wLrLtI3nykE/IBM-Intel-Execs-Arrested-Over-Insider-Trading | Oct 17 09:57 |
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| Diablo-D3 | double bwahhahahaha | Oct 17 09:57 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Windows 7 loses to #OSX 10.6 http://ur1.ca/dsof | Oct 17 09:59 | |
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| cubezzz | what's the deal with all the Mac stuff? | Oct 17 10:08 |
| cubezzz | anyways | Oct 17 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: basically, osx uses the power of cheese | Oct 17 10:09 |
| cubezzz | ah, well now I understand | Oct 17 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | its gpu shit | Oct 17 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | and a native well designed parallel app factory | Oct 17 10:10 |
| cubezzz | it looks pretty? | Oct 17 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | its looks pretty fast | Oct 17 10:10 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #IBM and #Intel execs caught insider trading http://ur1.ca/dspa | Oct 17 10:14 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #TSA is a terrorist organization http://ur1.ca/dspe | Oct 17 10:14 | |
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| satipera | I thought this was quite funny, from steve hill in the science comments in the guardian. " It's a prospect plausible enough to worry the encryption industry, encryption resting on the assumption that computer power is strictly limited to a single universe. There are universes where I can write what I like and moderators have no power to delete it? Wow. But it's hard to see why quantum computers in other universes | Oct 17 10:19 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Apple open sourced Grand Central Dispatch, fuck yeah http://ur1.ca/bhuv | Oct 17 10:24 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Microsoft is dying a medium paced death http://ur1.ca/dspn | Oct 17 10:24 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://www.cinematical.com/2009/10/16/credits-report-let-love-rule-remix/ | Oct 17 10:35 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Some very personal stuff (not Linux related), I am seriously considering breaking up with Julian. I think he is paranoid delusional. | Oct 17 10:36 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder if its possible to have a movie thats all car chases | Oct 17 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Yes it is Diablo-D3 I cannot remember the name of the movie off the top of my head but in my collection there is 1. | Oct 17 10:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Very disappointed by the FLOSS Weekly interview with Roy Schestowitz. IMHO Jono Bacon was unreasonably hostile towards Roy. | Oct 17 10:41 | |
| Diablo-D3 | is ml2mst on twitter? | Oct 17 10:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I fully agree with Joe's contribution on Openbytes: http://tinyurl.com/ykq4joa | Oct 17 10:48 | |
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| Richard_ | Looking for "Goblin". He hangs out here, I think? | Oct 17 10:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | sometimes | Oct 17 10:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For the benefit of readers Linsux is a Windows inspired forum that uses vulgarity and abuse in order to cheapen Linux users. | Oct 17 10:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Oh well, some Linux related news after all: I am currently downloading Fedora 12 KDE Live. This will kick Windwoes eXPee from Pleunix! | Oct 17 10:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin Yo Jonbo, nice to see you again ;-) but hey, it was already crystal clear that Linsux is a Linux hostile blog. | Oct 17 11:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I think Linsux is hosted by ether Flatfish, Hadron, Tim Smith or one of the other well knowing Microsoft Faithful. | Oct 17 11:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The word "Linsux" had been used by the Microsoft Faithful in COLA for ages. Nothing new here. | Oct 17 11:05 | |
| cubezzz | just ask them all if they can compile windows | Oct 17 11:07 |
| cubezzz | har har | Oct 17 11:08 |
| cubezzz | that usual ends the discussion | Oct 17 11:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ah, the Fedora 12 KDE Live ISO9660 image is in. Burn baby burn ;-) | Oct 17 11:12 | |
| cubezzz | Eliot Gould was in a movie with a famous car chase scene | Oct 17 11:13 |
| cubezzz | "Capricorn One" | Oct 17 11:13 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: I do have one thing I hate about Linux is dialup modem support. | Oct 17 11:13 |
| cubezzz | the whole movie wasn't a car chase though :) | Oct 17 11:13 |
| cubezzz | hmmm? | Oct 17 11:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ISO Urged to Invalidate OOXML as Microsoft’s Role Gets Shown; More Smears of ODF Come from Microsoft http://ping.fm/Yic93 | Oct 17 11:13 | |
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| oiaohm | I am looking forward to gcc working perfectly. At least we should be able to performce kill ms. | Oct 17 11:15 |
| cubezzz | I think I used kppp once | Oct 17 11:15 |
| cubezzz | don't recall any big problem with it | Oct 17 11:16 |
| oiaohm | I mean support for the modem cards themselves cubezzz | Oct 17 11:18 |
| oiaohm | The odds are against them working unless you buy them particularly. | Oct 17 11:18 |
| oiaohm | Interface great drivers o boy. | Oct 17 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: don't use the f word here, please | Oct 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | Be civil | Oct 17 11:20 |
| cubezzz | I think I used an old US Robotics modem without any issues | Oct 17 11:23 |
| cubezzz | it wasn't one of those awful winmodems though | Oct 17 11:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | under what? linux? | Oct 17 11:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | any real modem works fine | Oct 17 11:23 |
| cubezzz | Linux, yes | Oct 17 11:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | quite a few winmodems work now too | Oct 17 11:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | most of them it was just an issue of uploading a firmware to them | Oct 17 11:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | very few are really stripped down | Oct 17 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Most common around here I hit ess winmodems. | Oct 17 11:26 |
| oiaohm | what are basically paper weights. | Oct 17 11:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | the modem, ultimately, is dead though | Oct 17 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Not for a while yet here in Australia | Oct 17 11:27 |
| cubezzz | well, they still use the term "modem" as in "DSL modem" | Oct 17 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Adsl don't cover everywhere. | Oct 17 11:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Yeah. But since its userbase is so low its more of a hive for infantile vulgarity..check out the user "Captain Cool" he's a hoot. | Oct 17 11:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Moving on to more serious issues, Im sorry to hear of your problems with your new partner. I hope it works out. | Oct 17 11:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LockheedMartin Shoots Own Foot with #Microsoft http://ping.fm/LwMy9 #tcp #network | Oct 17 11:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin Don't bother. I hoped this would turn out to be a serious relation ship (I prefer monogamy) it turned out to be a sex toy... | Oct 17 11:48 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder where goblin wandered off to | Oct 17 11:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ... or some such. Not my piece of cake. Julian became very demanding and forbade me all sort of things. | Oct 17 11:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I am a honest and spontaneous person person. I can't cope with a lover of 46 who is still in the closet. | Oct 17 11:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Just offline | Oct 17 11:51 |
| schestowitz | The recent attacks on Stallman merit a discussion. There is a lot that needs clarifying there as well. | Oct 17 11:51 |
| schestowitz | RMS is being left alone now | Oct 17 11:51 |
| schestowitz | The trolls have no shame, still | Oct 17 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Distortions and smears. | Oct 17 11:52 |
| schestowitz | One could touch on the fact that I was an avid SUSE user for years, used it exclusively at home and at work, even promoted Novell (it's still on the Web). One could raise that common question/misunderstanding that I'm 'against' Ubuntu and GNOME (I'm not). | Oct 17 11:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] BTW, "Captain Cool" sounds pretty fishy, flat fishy that is. Flatso used a gazillion of of Captain and Dr. nyms in COLA. Nothing new here. | Oct 17 11:52 | |
| schestowitz | *sigh* | Oct 17 11:52 |
| trmanco | what? | Oct 17 11:55 |
| trmanco | !google define:sigh | Oct 17 11:58 |
| phIRCe | [1] - define.com: Free Online Dictionary and Thesaurus - Click. Explore ... | http://define.com/ | Oct 17 11:58 |
| phIRCe | [2] - PHP: define - Manual | http://php.net/manual/en/function.define.php | Oct 17 11:58 |
| phIRCe | [3] - define - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/define | Oct 17 11:58 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Define Definition | Definition of Define at Dictionary.com | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/define | Oct 17 11:58 |
| trmanco | :| | Oct 17 11:58 |
| desu | lol | Oct 17 11:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #beatcancer http://beatcancereverywhere.com/ http://is.gd/4nAcR | Oct 17 11:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @picturecool Every year tens of thousands of albatross die from toxicity, and choking due to plastics and human waste http://bit.ly/kcv1o | Oct 17 12:00 | |
| phIRCe | Title: current work .::. Size~: 5.3 KB | Oct 17 12:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] OMG Fedora 12 KDE (Alpha) looks superb! It includes the gorgeous Air theme. It's booting terribly slow.... | Oct 17 12:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Im sorry to hear it didn't work out. His loss. | Oct 17 12:04 | |
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| _goblin | hello all. | Oct 17 12:10 |
| trmanco | hello | Oct 17 12:13 |
| trmanco | I wonder if there will ever be Qt php binding :-P | Oct 17 12:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What to do? I have a great interview/discussion with Indiana Gregg coming up (hopefully today) I hope you will support her and her work. | Oct 17 12:13 | |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 17 12:14 |
| trmanco | http://www.php-qt.org/ | Oct 17 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8616 | Oct 17 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: it's not new | Oct 17 12:14 |
| trmanco | !google php Qt bindings | Oct 17 12:14 |
| phIRCe | [1] - PHP-Qt Website | http://www.php-qt.org/ | Oct 17 12:14 |
| phIRCe | [2] - PHP-Qt | http://www.ohloh.net/p/php-qt | Oct 17 12:14 |
| phIRCe | [3] - 'Thomas Moenicke <tm () php-qt ! org>' posts - MARC | http://lists.kde.org/%3Fa%3D118233526900011%26r%3D1%26w%3D2 | Oct 17 12:14 |
| phIRCe | [4] - PHP-Qt System Tray Icon Demo | http://cognifty.com/main.page/php-qt_system_tray_icon_demo.html | Oct 17 12:14 |
| trmanco | cool | Oct 17 12:14 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12219803 | Oct 17 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/12213817 | Oct 17 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Maddog: "Linux is the most used operating system in embedded systems". It's GNU/Linux, dude!" | Oct 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | GNU is not always used on embedded | Oct 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | It's usually just Linux | Oct 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | "When I plug in my external HD to the !ubuntu !karmic beta the icon is an ipod. Why? Are we supporting DRM now?" http://identi.ca/notice/12098253 | Oct 17 12:17 |
| phIRCe | Title: David Bailey (djbailey) 's status on Thursday, 15-Oct-09 11:08:01 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.49 KB | Oct 17 12:17 |
| cubezzz | I use GNU on embedded | Oct 17 12:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091026/hayes | Oct 17 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: some use a proprietary gnu-compatible toolchain | Oct 17 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Embed complier is most likely something pgroup or intel complier releated because that thing can optimise. Gcc 4.5.0 might change that. | Oct 17 12:26 |
| oiaohm | busybox instead of most of the gnu.org provided parts. | Oct 17 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Basically Linux without gnu is most embed. linux/busybox would be more correct. | Oct 17 12:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks YOU can stop more secret UK net/press gag orders. Sign this official No10 petition (quick) http://bit.ly/47HF0k | Oct 17 12:27 | |
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| oiaohm | cubezzz: I guess you don't use gnu provide libc and gnu command line tools embeded I hope not. | Oct 17 12:28 |
| cubezzz | I cross-compile then ftp it up | Oct 17 12:29 |
| cubezzz | arm-linux-gcc | Oct 17 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Main reason gnu libc and commandline tools are huge compared to bussybox and some of the other replacement libc's. | Oct 17 12:30 |
| cubezzz | I'm just porting stuff that I use, not everything | Oct 17 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Have you played with busybox. | Oct 17 12:31 |
| cubezzz | I still have some ancient version on there | Oct 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm | http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ and like this for libc cubezzz | Oct 17 12:31 |
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| trmanco | lol | Oct 17 12:32 |
| oiaohm | gnu libc has a lot of backwards compadiblity crap. | Oct 17 12:32 |
| trmanco | coming up? | Oct 17 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Multi casting server trmanco | Oct 17 12:33 |
| trmanco | so this is common? | Oct 17 12:33 |
| trmanco | it is a 200 response | Oct 17 12:33 |
| trmanco | but the coming up is weird | Oct 17 12:33 |
| cubezzz | "/bin" is read only, so I can't seem to update anything in there | Oct 17 12:34 |
| trmanco | fixing it right now | Oct 17 12:34 |
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| oiaohm | Ok is a hack in some web servers trmanco | Oct 17 12:36 |
| oiaohm | http/1.1 200 + some message other than OK. | Oct 17 12:37 |
| oiaohm | And most browser class it as damaged message and try again. | Oct 17 12:37 |
| oiaohm | So making another request at a more suitable time to multi cast hopefully. | Oct 17 12:38 |
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| trmanco | http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ | Oct 17 12:38 |
| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 17 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | Yes the http standard left out try again latter. | Oct 17 12:40 |
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| trmanco | stupid hotmail junk filter is crap | Oct 17 12:47 |
| trmanco | it just won't learn | Oct 17 12:47 |
| trmanco | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GOOG | Oct 17 12:48 |
| trmanco | goog is on a high | Oct 17 12:48 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Oct 17 12:53 |
| oiaohm | http://www.raiden.net/articles/linux_in_education_athens_schools/1/ | Oct 17 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Eruaran | Oct 17 13:01 |
| Eruaran | h schestowitz | Oct 17 13:01 |
| Eruaran | *hi | Oct 17 13:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to "love Surgery" by Gwar. Classic noise! | Oct 17 13:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hmmm, Lasagna, yummy :-P #lunch | Oct 17 13:08 | |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Oct 17 13:11 |
| schestowitz | I remember blogs about people's own meals.. not microblogging | Oct 17 13:12 |
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| trmanco | lol | Oct 17 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Missouri Continues Arresting Cyberbullies: Don't Be An Online Jerk In Missouri < http://techdirt.com/articles/20091016/0233556558.shtml > | Oct 17 13:12 |
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| trmanco | https://edge.launchpad.net/~xxtjaxx/+archive/kdestuff/+packages | Oct 17 13:14 |
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| trmanco | who want bangarang? | Oct 17 13:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Why Ralph Lauren Photoshopped That Model So Skinny... It Thought She Was Fat... At 120 lbs" http://ping.fm/RGNAT | Oct 17 13:14 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2698 | Oct 17 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.octofinder.com/@/3a8d7de6bacdb9576579065cdef42845 | Oct 17 13:22 |
| trmanco | strange link | Oct 17 13:23 |
| trmanco | I think it doesn't match | Oct 17 13:23 |
| trmanco | yeah, it doesn't | Oct 17 13:23 |
| trmanco | the '@' screws everything | Oct 17 13:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windows_7/apple_may_try_to_crash_microsofts_windows_7_launch.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535 | Oct 17 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | From Microsoft Nick | Oct 17 13:26 |
| schestowitz | DiDiot is also back at it with Vista 7 boosting | Oct 17 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Hilarious! | Oct 17 13:26 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 17 13:29 |
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| phIRCe | Hello World! | Oct 17 13:30 |
| trmanco | http://www.octofinder.com/@/3a8d7de6bacdb9576579065cdef42845 | Oct 17 13:30 |
| trmanco | wtf | Oct 17 13:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Phew,just did the special run with laptop in hand to get it to the power cable which is in another room, past kids toys and ironing piles... | Oct 17 13:30 | |
| trmanco | http://google.com/@/lol | Oct 17 13:33 |
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| trmanco | ah | Oct 17 13:33 |
| trmanco | it works, that site is another one blocking my mini skynet :-P | Oct 17 13:33 |
| Eruaran | skynet eh | Oct 17 13:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Testing this thing called Seesmic, looking good :> | Oct 17 13:39 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzYxNg "So Ryan is still responsible for this work, but the lead designer for Unreal Tournament 3 has no idea "if or when" it will be completed. This is certainly different from earlier this year when Steve had told us "we certainly would love to see this completed."" | Oct 17 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9796399204.html?kc=rss | Oct 17 13:47 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft’s WinMo 6.5 – “bing” getting a poor response? http://tinyurl.com/yg2phhq #microsoft #windows #winmo #mobile | Oct 17 13:47 | |
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| Tallken | jesus, phIRCe spamming the chan | Oct 17 13:48 |
| *MinceR bans jesus and phIRCe for spamming the channel | Oct 17 13:50 | |
| MinceR | ;) | Oct 17 13:50 |
| trmanco | :| | Oct 17 13:50 |
| trmanco | spaming :( | Oct 17 13:50 |
| trmanco | poor botan8r | Oct 17 13:50 |
| trmanco | it part of my mini skynet | Oct 17 13:50 |
| Eruaran | My response to Epic Games would be someting like this: 'As a former fan of the UT seriies of games, I just don't care anymore' | Oct 17 13:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Oct 17 13:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | UT was never any good to begin with imo | Oct 17 13:52 |
| Eruaran | I liked UT2004 | Oct 17 13:52 |
| trmanco | never played it | Oct 17 13:52 |
| Eruaran | The special edition with 5GB of mods | Oct 17 13:53 |
| Eruaran | that was god | Oct 17 13:53 |
| Eruaran | *good | Oct 17 13:53 |
| MinceR | Eruaran: seconded. | Oct 17 13:59 |
| MinceR | time to add all the features of UT, UT2004 and UT3 to one or more free FPS-es. :> | Oct 17 14:00 |
| Eruaran | I think its doable | Oct 17 14:01 |
| Eruaran | Nexuiz for example looks pretty good these days... except for character models, but they're working on that | Oct 17 14:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://vimcolorschemetest.googlecode.com/svn/html/index-c.html | Oct 17 14:02 |
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| Eruaran | Google Docs still doesn't like Konqueror.. but change Konq's ident to Firefox and Google Doc's works fine | Oct 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blt9_hy1di4 | Oct 17 14:09 |
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| oiaohm | I wish they would make up there mind on konqueror are we killing it or not. | Oct 17 14:09 |
| schestowitz | He's one of my favourite speakers on this subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wplniBUilts&NR=1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson | Oct 17 14:16 |
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| Eruaran | oiaohm: not | Oct 17 14:25 |
| *kecskebak has quit ("Don't do anything I wouldn't do...") | Oct 17 14:26 | |
| oiaohm | khtml is major mess Eruaran | Oct 17 14:27 |
| Eruaran | I'm not commenting on khtml... they're not abandoning Konqueror though | Oct 17 14:29 |
| Eruaran | I expect they'll officially switch to webkit eventually | Oct 17 14:30 |
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| oiaohm | There is a major issue that Konqueror internal api is stuck to how html works Eruaran | Oct 17 14:36 |
| oiaohm | It may be simpler to kill it completely and start over clean Eruaran | Oct 17 14:36 |
| Eruaran | perhaps you're right | Oct 17 14:38 |
| Eruaran | It would be kind of sad if Konqueror died though | Oct 17 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | Stargate Universe has yet to impress me | Oct 17 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | it looks like it may finally be going somewhere after three entire episodes | Oct 17 14:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8616 | Oct 17 14:42 |
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| DaemonFC | so far they've devoted three one hour episodes to "We're on a starship several galaxies away from Earth and have no power and limited water and there are no stargates in range" | Oct 17 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | Now they're on a collision course with a star because a million year old starship developed by the Alterans got the navigational calculations wrong when it used a gas giant for an aerobraking maneuver, and they might all be screwed | Oct 17 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | then a big fat "To be continued" | Oct 17 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 17 14:43 |
| oiaohm | maybe not die Eruaran | Oct 17 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Ie konquerer 2 ie new one based on the old ones ideas bit like KDE 4. | Oct 17 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I just saved you three hours :D | Oct 17 14:44 |
| Eruaran | oiaohm: yes that would be good | Oct 17 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | oh, and the funny scene where the lead scientist has a nervous breakdown after a few days with no sleep and wakes up with caffeine withdrawl | Oct 17 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not really sure where they are going with this, but SG-1 and Atlantis started the story right away with the pilot | Oct 17 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Stargate Universe sounds like they are going to get lost like DR Who. | Oct 17 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | well, people will quickly lose interest if they keep dragging the story out without telling a story | Oct 17 14:51 |
| Eruaran | "Stop ! Or I'll destroy you all with one of my deadly Jellybabies !" - Dr Who (an improv by Tom Baker which ended up in an actual episode) | Oct 17 14:52 |
| Eruaran | Actually... I think he said, "Back !" not "Stop !" | Oct 17 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | apparently the Sci Fi channel is trying to make a series that sucks as bad as Dr. Who | Oct 17 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | even ruining SG-1 didn't bring it down to that | Oct 17 14:53 |
| Eruaran | Dr Who doesn't suck, Dr Who rules. | Oct 17 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | if you say so | Oct 17 14:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] so why *do* the young persons these days make the duckface in all their snapshots? http://antiduckface.com/ | Oct 17 14:54 | |
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| oiaohm | Dr Who has the most confusing story line. Working out everything that is going on is a complex mess. | Oct 17 14:55 |
| Eruaran | Clearly you have no appreciation for tongue in cheek sci-fi and time travellers who have a thing for Jellybabies. | Oct 17 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | Red Dwarf was probably the best thing resembling Sci Fi that ever came out of the UK | Oct 17 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's only cause it was so funny | Oct 17 14:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @altally Baby Got Back Gilbert and Sullivan Style http://bit.ly/eoE2j | Oct 17 14:56 | |
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| Eruaran | Kryton rules. | Oct 17 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | "What a smeeeeeeg, what a smeeeeeeeeeeeg......What a smeeeeeeg heeeeeeeeeeed!!!!""Ketchup, on a LOBSTER?" BOOM! | Oct 17 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Oct 17 14:57 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: at least DR Who series stories all link up and make sence in the end. | Oct 17 14:58 |
| Eruaran | Tom Baker was my favorite Dr Who | Oct 17 14:59 |
| Eruaran | He was the funniest | Oct 17 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | or that time they went back to Dallas in 1963 and stopped the Kennedy assassination and then accidentally jumped a few years ahead to find that everyone had fled the city cause of the Cuban Missile Crisis | Oct 17 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | Kryton had his ethics routines removed so he'd agree to go back in time to get Lister a take out curry in the first place and cooks a trampled homeless man for them to eat | Oct 17 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Oct 17 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | "Well, I just assumed that since humans eat chickens, they must eat their own species, or else they would just be picking on the chickens" | Oct 17 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 17 15:00 |
| Eruaran | lol | Oct 17 15:01 |
| Eruaran | Like I said | Oct 17 15:01 |
| Eruaran | Kryton rules ;) | Oct 17 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | Rimmer fixed the time machine, "Where should we go?" Kat: "I don't care, as long as it's before we had dinner!" | Oct 17 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 17 15:01 |
| Eruaran | Rimmerworld | Oct 17 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | the one where everyone on the planet was Rimmer | Oct 17 15:02 |
| Eruaran | yes | Oct 17 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | including a Caligula-type Rimmer | Oct 17 15:02 |
| Eruaran | hahaha | Oct 17 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | in charge of the place | Oct 17 15:02 |
| Eruaran | hilarious episode | Oct 17 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | Gazpacho Soup | Oct 17 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I loved that show | Oct 17 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | I actually ate an extra spicy Chicken Vindaloo just to see if they were any good | Oct 17 15:04 |
| mutx | we get that in Aust all the time now. | Oct 17 15:04 |
| Eruaran | "They're all dead Dave, everybody's dead, they're all dead Dave" | Oct 17 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | yes, they are, as you eat one | Oct 17 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | you'll be on the toilet for a few hours though | Oct 17 15:04 |
| mutx | LOL. | Oct 17 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's like taking milk of magnesia | Oct 17 15:06 |
| Eruaran | Memorable scene: the one where Lister ends up kissing that disgusting bug thing because it made him think it was a hot chick | Oct 17 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | your stomach starts rumbling and growling about 30 minutes later | Oct 17 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | you better get to the restroom quickly | Oct 17 15:06 |
| mutx | sirens | Oct 17 15:06 |
| Eruaran | yes | Oct 17 15:06 |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Oct 17 15:06 | |
| DaemonFC | "It's the weather girl from TV" Kryten: "Hurry up and get back to the ship!" Lister: "Eas for you to say, you can't see what she's doing with her pointy stick!" | Oct 17 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | *Easy | Oct 17 15:07 |
| oiaohm | http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Chicken-Vindaloo-107088 Is not that bad DaemonFC maybe you are alergic to the one spice. | Oct 17 15:07 |
| MinceR | the spice must flow. | Oct 17 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Some people are and if you are it was lucky it only went one direction. | Oct 17 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | I played Dune 2000 and Emperor: Battle For Dune | Oct 17 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | usually as the Harkonnen | Oct 17 15:09 |
| Eruaran | Why the Harkonnen ? | Oct 17 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | cause, I like the Harkonnen | Oct 17 15:16 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 17 15:16 |
| *Eruaran adds this to your profile | Oct 17 15:16 | |
| Eruaran | ; | Oct 17 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | I also play Jedi characters on Star Wars RPGs? | Oct 17 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 17 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | I do prefer some Sith lighsaber forms though and almost always use a double bladed model | Oct 17 15:18 |
| Eruaran | I'd go with Mace | Oct 17 15:18 |
| Eruaran | You know why Mace had a purple lightsabre ? | Oct 17 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_VII:_Juyo_/_Vaapad | Oct 17 15:19 |
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| DaemonFC | no clue | Oct 17 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | Juyo uses more energy in attack than defense | Oct 17 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | but it forces your opponent to go on the defensive for obvious reasons | Oct 17 15:20 |
| Eruaran | Samuel L Jackson wanted to have a purple lightsabre | Oct 17 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | the KOTOR games are fun | Oct 17 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | you should max out your beam deflection skill and then blaster wielding enemies can never hit you | Oct 17 15:21 |
| Eruaran | He asked George Lucas if he could have a purple lightsabre and GL said no... but when he got his prop lightsabre it was purple | Oct 17 15:21 |
| schestowitz | [14:44] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: I just saved you three hours :D | Oct 17 15:24 |
| schestowitz | I don't quite follow. | Oct 17 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | figured you might attempt to watch it | Oct 17 15:28 |
| Xarver | Hi guys. | Oct 17 15:28 |
| Xarver | My forum reached 1000 posts :D | Oct 17 15:28 |
| MinceR | but did Lightsaber have a purple mace? :> | Oct 17 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of mace, I bought my mom a bottle of it to use on the neighbor's dog | Oct 17 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Oct 17 15:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 17 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | her neighbors are a bunch of white trash | Oct 17 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | chain smokers | Oct 17 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | they let that little annoying dog out and it nips and bites and claws people an they laugh about it | Oct 17 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | maybe in a raspy smoker's voice "CANDACE MARIE!!! GET BACK HERE!!!" | Oct 17 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | the dog's name is Candace Marie | Oct 17 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Poor dog | Oct 17 15:31 |
| Xarver | :| | Oct 17 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | I told my mom the next time the dog jumps up and ruins a uniform of hers, to just mace the thing | Oct 17 15:32 |
| Xarver | O_o | Oct 17 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | that'll teach it to get away from people | Oct 17 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | I about lost it the other day | Oct 17 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Just don't go over board with the mace little bit too much will kill a small dog. | Oct 17 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | I told that woman that the next time her dog nipped me it would be a football | Oct 17 15:33 |
| Xarver | Ok then... | Oct 17 15:33 |
| Xarver | Animal cruelty much? Why not sue? | Oct 17 15:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @trmanco Yum, Lasagna, had it yesterday for lunch. Love Italian pasti. Make all sorts of variations of it. | Oct 17 15:33 | |
| Xarver | lol | Oct 17 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | the woman pokes her head out to make sure that nobody in my mom's apartment is outside before she lets her dog out now | Oct 17 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | so I think she believed me | Oct 17 15:34 |
| oiaohm | citronella is the better spray to use DaemonFC | Oct 17 15:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin Indiana Gregg, the singer http://www.indianagregg.com/ ? | Oct 17 15:35 | |
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| oiaohm | Will not kill the dog but the dog does not like it. | Oct 17 15:36 |
| MinceR | nah, as a football, the dog might finally be useful | Oct 17 15:37 |
| MinceR | and have a purpose in life | Oct 17 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Its not the dog fault it has a bad master that never trained it. | Oct 17 15:37 |
| MinceR | well, after life, anyway | Oct 17 15:37 |
| mutx | are you allowed to discharge mace just "willy nearly" in the US, we are not even allowed to carry it here in Oz | Oct 17 15:38 |
| MinceR | all dogs are evil and unpleasant | Oct 17 15:38 |
| MinceR | that's 'willy-nilly' :> | Oct 17 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Not all dogs are evil or unpleasant | Oct 17 15:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am a dog handler. | Oct 17 15:38 |
| mutx | yes, I was thinking that as well :) | Oct 17 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | but a lot of the little "toy" breeds are | Oct 17 15:38 |
| MinceR | well, dead ones aren't evil anymore | Oct 17 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Dogs are only as bad as there masters. | Oct 17 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | the bigger dogs tend to be more relaxed | Oct 17 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | less to prove I guess | Oct 17 15:39 |
| MinceR | except their masters are less likely to randomly attack people. | Oct 17 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the toy breeds can still be well behaved. | Oct 17 15:39 |
| MinceR | because they know how they might be punished. | Oct 17 15:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Dogs don't randomally attack. | Oct 17 15:39 |
| MinceR | yes they do | Oct 17 15:39 |
| oiaohm | No they don't. | Oct 17 15:39 |
| MinceR | people keep saying they wouldn't and then one day the dog attacks | Oct 17 15:39 |
| MinceR | and then they blame it on the victim | Oct 17 15:40 |
| Xarver | He just said he was a dog handler, MinceR O_o | Oct 17 15:40 |
| MinceR | Xarver: and i've been attacked by dogs multiple times. | Oct 17 15:40 |
| MinceR | and i've read the news. | Oct 17 15:40 |
| MinceR | children often get badly mauled by dogs | Oct 17 15:40 |
| MinceR | they aren't safe to keep in human society, so they shouldn't be. | Oct 17 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Dogs are either trained to attack or condutions happen causing an attack event. | Oct 17 15:40 |
| Xarver | What's the reason for attacking? Probably because you said they basically praised the dog for attacking. | Oct 17 15:41 |
| cubezzz | I seem to recall a recent dog attack on an elderly couple in.... uh | Oct 17 15:41 |
| MinceR | yeah, let's blame it all on the conditions | Oct 17 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Dogs have a good set of teeth and one mistake log of damage. | Oct 17 15:41 |
| MinceR | you know what condition is to blame? the damn thing was allowed outside a cage, that's what. | Oct 17 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Lot of children cases are single bites. | Oct 17 15:41 |
| Xarver | The only reason my dogs jump on me is they want to play, and I do. :) | Oct 17 15:41 |
| MinceR | they have a good set of teeth and no controls. | Oct 17 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie not a full blown attack. | Oct 17 15:42 |
| MinceR | Xarver: well, i don't think that clawing my clothing and my skin and getting their drool all over me is a good game, so i'd rather not "play". | Oct 17 15:42 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Dogs are just as bad as us, so why not throw humans in a cage? Just because there are rapists, murderers, etc. | Oct 17 15:42 |
| cubezzz | Georiga | Oct 17 15:42 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: let's put babies on the launch control panels of nukes then, one button press away from launching. | Oct 17 15:42 |
| MinceR | they're harmless, right? | Oct 17 15:43 |
| Xarver | I mean, not all of the dogs are to blame. | Oct 17 15:43 |
| cubezzz | lol they do, put them in Jails :) | Oct 17 15:43 |
| MinceR | Xarver: i'd prefer to put most humans at least in cages, too | Oct 17 15:43 |
| MinceR | but it's usually cheaper to kill or not let them to be born. | Oct 17 15:43 |
| Xarver | cubezzz: I know, but MinceR is saying to get rid of dogs in our society, and we're just as bad as them, so ALL of us need to go in a cage. | Oct 17 15:43 |
| MinceR | dog owners tend to be exceptionally negligent when it comes to the life and health of other people. | Oct 17 15:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I worked with dogs breed for cattle work. They are some of the most touchy ones you can deal with. | Oct 17 15:44 |
| mutx | any well raised dog, that like any human knows good from bad, none of my dogs have ever randomaly attacked anyone, or attacked even when provoked. | Oct 17 15:44 |
| oiaohm | They respond to pain with teeth. | Oct 17 15:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: well, congratulations. i still shouldn't be forced to be around those monsters. | Oct 17 15:44 |
| Xarver | mutx: exactly. | Oct 17 15:44 |
| cubezzz | found it: | Oct 17 15:44 |
| cubezzz | http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2009/08/fatal-attack-in-georgia-kills-elderly-couple.html | Oct 17 15:44 |
| MinceR | mutx: there's no such thing as a "well raised dog", then. | Oct 17 15:44 |
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| MinceR | they have the worst combination of behavior learned from humans and instinct. | Oct 17 15:45 |
| Xarver | MinceR: There is, my dogs are well behaved, but they have some problems, just like everyone else. | Oct 17 15:45 |
| mutx | most dogs are well raised, all mine were, | Oct 17 15:45 |
| MinceR | Xarver: and those problems lead to people getting killed or mauled. | Oct 17 15:45 |
| Xarver | And they're not monsters, they're man's best friend. | Oct 17 15:45 |
| cubezzz | There's a couple of pretty mean guard dogs close by here | Oct 17 15:45 |
| cubezzz | I wouldn't mess with them | Oct 17 15:45 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Same point with badly raised humans. | Oct 17 15:45 |
| MinceR | Xarver: at least most humans understand that if they assault another human, they're likely to get in trouble for it. | Oct 17 15:45 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Same with most dogs, you are saying a biased opinion of most dogs are bad, when it's only a low number. | Oct 17 15:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but does not make them bad.. There is such thing as well raised dogs. But with anything with weapon capiblity comes responsablity. | Oct 17 15:46 |
| MinceR | normal weapons don't activate themselves randomly | Oct 17 15:47 |
| mutx | neither do dogs, | Oct 17 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Like I started dog handling at the age of 10. Only alowned to do it one I knew how to physically contain a dog. | Oct 17 15:47 |
| MinceR | Xarver: i think they all have the danger of flipping out at some moment. | Oct 17 15:47 |
| Xarver | MinceR: And another reason to be attacking someone is needs, they need to eat and drink like us. | Oct 17 15:47 |
| MinceR | but then it will be too late. | Oct 17 15:47 |
| oiaohm | And could do it. | Oct 17 15:47 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Not true. | Oct 17 15:47 |
| MinceR | Xarver: so if they need to eat, let's just feed them babies? | Oct 17 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Well trained will not trigger over food. | Oct 17 15:48 |
| mutx | oiaohm, I have a koolie, really smart. | Oct 17 15:48 |
| Xarver | My old coyote (yes, coyote) was the nicest dog ever. | Oct 17 15:48 |
| MinceR | dog owners are always biased. | Oct 17 15:48 |
| mutx | had* | Oct 17 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Because they are trained only to eat food they have been approved to eat. | Oct 17 15:48 |
| oiaohm | anything else would have been internally laced in the train process. | Oct 17 15:48 |
| Xarver | MinceR: You are really biased. Feed them dog food, give them water, teach them not to do bad | Oct 17 15:48 |
| MinceR | am i supposed to teach others' dogs now? | Oct 17 15:49 |
| MinceR | let me carry a gun then, i can offer a really fast training program. | Oct 17 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Ie master don't give food don't eat. | Oct 17 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Because it can be bad. | Oct 17 15:49 |
| Xarver | And you're saying dogs are bad when the Arabs before Islam buried female babies because they wanted males. | Oct 17 15:49 |
| MinceR | i never said humans were good. | Oct 17 15:50 |
| Xarver | But dogs are no worse. | Oct 17 15:50 |
| MinceR | but that's no excuse for letting dogs out and maul people. | Oct 17 15:50 |
| MinceR | in a way they are. | Oct 17 15:50 |
| oiaohm | None of mine ever have MinceR | Oct 17 15:50 |
| Xarver | Again with a bias. I doubt all dogs one day will just randomly attack someone. | Oct 17 15:50 |
| MinceR | like i said, they have absolutely no understanding of the fact that they can get into trouble for attacking people. | Oct 17 15:50 |
| oiaohm | In fact mine had saved my life a few times. | Oct 17 15:50 |
| MinceR | not if you keep them locked away or you kill them early enough. | Oct 17 15:50 |
| Xarver | My parents have owned dogs for 13+ years and NEVER have had a problem. | Oct 17 15:51 |
| oiaohm | When things had gone wrong in the cattle yards. | Oct 17 15:51 |
| oiaohm | At the cost to themselves. | Oct 17 15:51 |
| mutx | MinceR no they certainly know, and can be shown good from bad, just like any person. | Oct 17 15:51 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Not true, as stated before. YOU can TEACH them not to. Just like how parents/teachers TEACH US how to be good. | Oct 17 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes you do need a thinking weapon. | Oct 17 15:51 |
| Xarver | And if the dog attacks you the owner is probably a bad dog owner. | Oct 17 15:51 |
| MinceR | Xarver: i'm not talking about how to be good -- most humans can't learn that. i'm talking about how not to attack randomly. | Oct 17 15:52 |
| MinceR | and such training isn't mandatory, apparently. | Oct 17 15:52 |
| Xarver | That's how to be good, they don't attack randomly. | Oct 17 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact they don't attack randomly. | Oct 17 15:52 |
| mutx | most humans cant learn to be good ?? | Oct 17 15:52 |
| MinceR | Xarver: i'd say if the owner doesn't keep the dog locked away, then he's a bad owner. | Oct 17 15:52 |
| Eruaran | What is your yardstick for "good" ? | Oct 17 15:52 |
| MinceR | it's complicated. | Oct 17 15:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: name the reasons a dog will attack. | Oct 17 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Note they are mostly the same as humans. | Oct 17 15:53 |
| MinceR | normally it can be summed up as "don't treat others in a way you don't wish to be treated" | Oct 17 15:53 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: sudden moves | Oct 17 15:53 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: reactions to the dog suddenly bark loudly 0.5m from a stranger | Oct 17 15:53 |
| MinceR | s/rk/rking/ | Oct 17 15:53 |
| Xarver | MinceR: You're filling this argument with biased opinions, if you don't actually argue against the things we're saying, then there's no point of arguing with you. | Oct 17 15:53 |
| oiaohm | sudden moves is panic. | Oct 17 15:53 |
| MinceR | Xarver: no, you are filling this argument with biased opinions | Oct 17 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Same mistake a untrained person with a gun does. | Oct 17 15:53 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so you advocate killing that instinct in humans just so you can send your dogs among them? | Oct 17 15:54 |
| oiaohm | It is important to train dog MinceR | Oct 17 15:54 |
| Xarver | MinceR: How so? You are the one saying "dogs are evil, don't belong in human society, I'm getting attacked so everyone else is" | Oct 17 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Ie trained person mostly does not screw up with gun. Same with trained dog with teeth. | Oct 17 15:54 |
| mutx | your initial argument is flawed from the start MinceR, dog's wont just attack you if you move fast. | Oct 17 15:54 |
| MinceR | Xarver: and you're the one saying "screw everyone's safety, i'll just let my dogs out and if they attack someone, it's the victim's fault" | Oct 17 15:54 |
| MinceR | mutx: they won't just attack, they'll also bark and jump. | Oct 17 15:55 |
| Xarver | Another biased opinion. How come I've NEVER had a problem in a BIG neighborhood for 13+ years? | Oct 17 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Again barking can be trained not to do. | Oct 17 15:55 |
| MinceR | i have yet to see these mythical "well-trained dogs". | Oct 17 15:55 |
| mutx | and jumping up, | Oct 17 15:55 |
| MinceR | Xarver: because you've ignored all the problems. | Oct 17 15:55 |
| Xarver | MinceR: You live in a bad area. Move or something. | Oct 17 15:55 |
| oiaohm | You have most likely MinceR guide dogs. | Oct 17 15:55 |
| MinceR | Xarver: i've had such incidents in many areas in this country. | Oct 17 15:56 |
| mutx | none of my dogs even did either, or if they did I trained them not too. | Oct 17 15:56 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Do you stalk me? I never see these things and never does the 20+ people who live around me | Oct 17 15:56 |
| oiaohm | They are some of the most heavly trained dogs you will meet MinceR | Oct 17 15:56 |
| MinceR | Xarver: so you mean if i don't want to be mauled by dogs, i should move to a country where no dogs live? | Oct 17 15:56 |
| MinceR | interesting. | Oct 17 15:56 |
| Xarver | Ugh, screw this conversation. | Oct 17 15:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you ever head of a guide dog harming anyone . | Oct 17 15:56 |
| MinceR | let's just put everyone into the service of biased, irresponsible dog owners! | Oct 17 15:56 |
| oiaohm | head/heard | Oct 17 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Answer is they never have MinceR | Oct 17 15:57 |
| MinceR | also, let's put mines on every corner and tell people not to step on them | Oct 17 15:57 |
| mutx | MinceR if you never want to be killed by a person, perhaps you better go to a country with no people, or snakes, or spiders, or fly's or anything else that might threaten your life. | Oct 17 15:57 |
| MinceR | if they do, it's their own damn fault, right? | Oct 17 15:57 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Are you drunk? Just wondering. | Oct 17 15:57 |
| oiaohm | I do blieve that not everyone should be allowed dogs MinceR | Oct 17 15:57 |
| MinceR | mutx: i'd settle for no people threatening my life with their irresponsibility | Oct 17 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Some people just will never make suitable owners. | Oct 17 15:57 |
| MinceR | Xarver: no, i'm just sane, unlike you. | Oct 17 15:57 |
| oiaohm | And some people just will not put the time in to train dog right. | Oct 17 15:58 |
| Xarver | Paranoid in my eyes. | Oct 17 15:58 |
| MinceR | Xarver: you seem to be incapable of acting responsibly. | Oct 17 15:58 |
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| oiaohm | Current lack of control on dog owners is a major part of the problem MinceR | Oct 17 15:58 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Or maybe you should move to the moon? | Oct 17 15:58 |
| MinceR | everyone in the world should just adapt to you so you can parade around with your monsters. | Oct 17 15:58 |
| MinceR | Xarver: i think you should move to the moon. along with your dogs. | Oct 17 15:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: dogs are not monstors | Oct 17 15:58 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yes they are | Oct 17 15:58 |
| oiaohm | No they are not MinceR | Oct 17 15:59 |
| Xarver | prove it without biased opinions. FACTS. | Oct 17 15:59 |
| oiaohm | A dog can protect as well as harm. | Oct 17 15:59 |
| oiaohm | guide dogs and hearing dogs do lot of protection of owners. | Oct 17 15:59 |
| Xarver | EVERYTHING you are saying INVOLVES no FACTS. | Oct 17 15:59 |
| MinceR | well, i've never seen any dog protecting me | Oct 17 15:59 |
| Xarver | :P | Oct 17 15:59 |
| MinceR | Xarver: tell that to yourself. | Oct 17 16:00 |
| Xarver | How am I providing opinions when you | Oct 17 16:00 |
| oiaohm | The highly trained dogs for any other task other than attack of some form don't have any track record of biting humans MinceR. | Oct 17 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Working with cattle working dogs you have to be really careful because they are a form of trained attack dog. | Oct 17 16:00 |
| Xarver | are saying "move to the moon with all your monsters" "Put them in cages!" "It's the dog's fault!" "Everyone is wrong except ME!" | Oct 17 16:01 |
| Xarver | "No, they are all mosters, oiaohm, even though you are a dog holder, all dogs are monsters and should DIE because I'm getting attacked" | Oct 17 16:02 |
| MinceR | Xarver: and you're saying "i've never had any problem with my dog so they must all be harmless and i must be allowed to push my dog in the face of anyone, and if the dog attacks, it's the victim's fault" | Oct 17 16:02 |
| Xarver | I never said the last part./ | Oct 17 16:02 |
| MinceR | Xarver: and you told me to move to the moon first | Oct 17 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Ever case I have seen of dog attacks the dogs have not been highly trianed other than a few rare attack dogs biting once human once and stoping. | Oct 17 16:02 |
| MinceR | Xarver: and before that, you told me to leave the country. | Oct 17 16:02 |
| *P|scean is more of a cat person. | Oct 17 16:02 | |
| MinceR | Xarver: and now you're acting as if you didn't. | Oct 17 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Its the poorly trained that bite people mult times and normally end up killing people MinceR | Oct 17 16:03 |
| Xarver | yes, because you are paranoid over "dangerous monsters." | Oct 17 16:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's easy to say afterwards that "oh, this dog mustn't have been properly trained, then" | Oct 17 16:03 |
| Xarver | MinceR: And you never responded to the guide dogs. | Oct 17 16:03 |
| mutx | MinceR if you cant deal with your environment, and other creatures that inhabit it, you have some issues. | Oct 17 16:03 |
| MinceR | Xarver: after a few bites suffered, you can't seriously tell me i'm "paranoid" | Oct 17 16:03 |
| oiaohm | No proper training has a log book MinceR | Oct 17 16:03 |
| MinceR | Xarver: learning from experience isn't called paranoia. | Oct 17 16:03 |
| oiaohm | So if dog does something wrong future dogs can be trained without the mistake. | Oct 17 16:04 |
| Xarver | MinceR: I am learning from experience with 13+ years, I'm sure you haven't been bitten that long. | Oct 17 16:04 |
| MinceR | Xarver: if you think it does, you're refusing to learn, which means you're stupid. | Oct 17 16:04 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Tell that to yourself, "YOU ARE WRONG oiaohm!" | Oct 17 16:04 |
| MinceR | i've been attacked this year, but i could avoid the bite | Oct 17 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Of course as dog handlers we want to know of any case were a dog bites a human. | Oct 17 16:04 |
| Xarver | Sue damnit! SUE! | Oct 17 16:04 |
| Xarver | It's the owner's fault. | Oct 17 16:04 |
| MinceR | Xarver: i very rarely see guide dogs at all | Oct 17 16:04 |
| MinceR | Xarver: this isn't the USA, i don't have a team of lawyers | Oct 17 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Including cases where its poor training. | Oct 17 16:05 |
| MinceR | neither do i have the thousands of euros i'd need if i wanted to sue all the irresponsible assholes who caused harm to me. | Oct 17 16:05 |
| oiaohm | The data you learn when training dogs is massive to do it correctly. | Oct 17 16:05 |
| MinceR | also, i don't have a camera crew to collect evidence | Oct 17 16:05 |
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| Xarver | My neighbor who has had dogs for a LONG time maybe 18+ years, has never had a problem with mauling, and he well trained his dogs and they were very behaved. | Oct 17 16:06 |
| mutx | the taiming of dogs, was one if not the most significant bonus to the development of mankind. | Oct 17 16:06 |
| Xarver | Yu;. | Oct 17 16:06 |
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| Xarver | Yup* | Oct 17 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact is over 400 A4 pages of base information MinceR. Now how many people with dogs have even read it. | Oct 17 16:06 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: yet they're allowed to take their dogs to public space. | Oct 17 16:06 |
| oiaohm | My issue is not exactly with the dog MinceR | Oct 17 16:07 |
| Xarver | Without the training of dogs, we would have WILD dogs going around and killing more then today, and blind people would have a disadvantage. | Oct 17 16:07 |
| MinceR | Xarver: wrong. | Oct 17 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people like you MinceR exist because people don't train dogs and can have dogs for nothing. | Oct 17 16:07 |
| MinceR | Xarver: without the training/taming of dogs, we'd have wolves living in the wilderness, and no dogs. | Oct 17 16:07 |
| Xarver | Agreed. | Oct 17 16:07 |
| mutx | dogs, are genitacilly the same as Wolves | Oct 17 16:07 |
| MinceR | wolves behave like proper wild animals and don't normally even go near human society. | Oct 17 16:08 |
| oiaohm | That just is MinceR Most people have half trained Wolves not will trained dogs. | Oct 17 16:08 |
| MinceR | also, they're a lot more predictable. | Oct 17 16:08 |
| oiaohm | will/well | Oct 17 16:08 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Well, you can argue all you want, but trust me, you won't change anything, and your still going to have the same problem. | Oct 17 16:08 |
| oiaohm | How many people make there dogs only eat when told. | Oct 17 16:09 |
| MinceR | i know, i can argue all i want, and i'll still have to look out for irresponsible people walking around with their monsters. | Oct 17 16:09 |
| cubezzz | I saw a fox the other day :) | Oct 17 16:09 |
| MinceR | and i'm not legally allowed to carry a gun with which to defend myself. | Oct 17 16:09 |
| Xarver | MinceR: I would love to see you sitting on a bench next to someone with their dog. | Oct 17 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Yet people like me walking with a dog would not be a risk to you MinceR | Oct 17 16:09 |
| MinceR | it's a strange society where only the most dangerous weapons are allowed for the general public. | Oct 17 16:09 |
| mutx | guard, blind, disabled, corpse finding, avalanche and desaster help, companion, helper, hunter, finder... dogs do huge good for humans. | Oct 17 16:09 |
| Xarver | Exactly. | Oct 17 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Note if my dog is a attack class in public it wears a mussle or equal to prevent biting. | Oct 17 16:10 |
| MinceR | Xarver: well, i'd love to see you being eaten by a dog, then. | Oct 17 16:10 |
| oiaohm | I don't take risks with them MinceR | Oct 17 16:10 |
| Xarver | Which will never happen. | Oct 17 16:10 |
| MinceR | Xarver: keep telling yourself that. | Oct 17 16:10 |
| cubezzz | guide dogs are good | Oct 17 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Same with hearing dogs. | Oct 17 16:10 |
| Xarver | Ok, MinceR, then I'll tell you when i get eaten, OK? | Oct 17 16:11 |
| oiaohm | They are trained to be safe. | Oct 17 16:11 |
| Xarver | Which will not happen. | Oct 17 16:11 |
| mutx | smelling cancer ! | Oct 17 16:11 |
| MinceR | Xarver: sure, i wonder how you will. | Oct 17 16:11 |
| oiaohm | There training is also tested. | Oct 17 16:11 |
| MinceR | Xarver: will you speak with your missing throat or will you type with your missing fingers? | Oct 17 16:11 |
| Xarver | MinceR: My parents. | Oct 17 16:11 |
| MinceR | if they'll be alive and near you, that is. | Oct 17 16:11 |
| cubezzz | I have to be honest, I've never been attacked by a dog | Oct 17 16:11 |
| mutx | and that happens all the time too MinceR :) | Oct 17 16:11 |
| cubezzz | they growl at me, but no attack | Oct 17 16:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: a correct owner like me is never a problem to anyone. We take responsablity for the weapons our dogs have. | Oct 17 16:12 |
| Xarver | Lol you are funny, I think you belong in once of those bouncy rooms where you're fed and not brung into the outside world. | Oct 17 16:12 |
| MinceR | looks like the dog fans didn't check the link someone posted earlier. :> | Oct 17 16:12 |
| MinceR | Xarver: yeah, everyone who doesn't love your dogs belongs there, don't they? | Oct 17 16:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I did. | Oct 17 16:12 |
| MinceR | Xarver: after all, the whole of society must serve your hobby! | Oct 17 16:12 |
| Xarver | MinceR: No one hates my dogs. | Oct 17 16:12 |
| MinceR | Xarver: i do. | Oct 17 16:12 |
| Xarver | MinceR: You're not my neighbor. | Oct 17 16:12 |
| cubezzz | I like some dogs, I like Saint Bernards :) | Oct 17 16:13 |
| MinceR | i don't see why is it so important to take your dog outside your private property anyway. | Oct 17 16:13 |
| MinceR | showing off or what? | Oct 17 16:13 |
| mutx | so on all the internet you can find a few examples where dogs attacked, so what, we are not saying dogs do not attack people, they do, we are saying that dogs well raised, and properaly trained DO NOT attack people, randomly or not. ever. | Oct 17 16:13 |
| MinceR | or just the enjoyment of endangering innocent people? | Oct 17 16:13 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, probably just for exercise I would think | Oct 17 16:13 |
| Xarver | MinceR: to play with your dog in a dog park, meet new people, etc. | Oct 17 16:13 |
| Xarver | mutx: EXACTLY. | Oct 17 16:13 |
| oiaohm | I have had many dogs of different rolls MinceR | Oct 17 16:13 |
| Xarver | Well said. | Oct 17 16:13 |
| MinceR | mutx: and i'm saying that by that definition there are no "properly trained" dogs because some instincts always remain | Oct 17 16:14 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Same with humands. | Oct 17 16:14 |
| Xarver | humans* | Oct 17 16:14 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: they could just buy a big enough property and exercise there, responsibly. | Oct 17 16:14 |
| MinceR | Xarver: humans don't come with big teeth and claws | Oct 17 16:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Not exactly true. DNA of dogs also sets there instincts. | Oct 17 16:14 |
| MinceR | Xarver: nor with instincts to jump and maul. | Oct 17 16:14 |
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| Xarver | We're monsters to many other things. Animals hate us, most likely, except domesticated ones. | Oct 17 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Not all dogs will jump or maul. | Oct 17 16:14 |
| MinceR | Xarver: nor with a lack of understanding of the rules of society | Oct 17 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Saint's are a clasic example of it. | Oct 17 16:15 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Well, we have guns and chainsaws for example, we can kill anyone basically. | Oct 17 16:15 |
| oiaohm | Ok if you don't want holes don't hae a Saint | Oct 17 16:15 |
| MinceR | Xarver: i don't have guns nor chainsaws | Oct 17 16:15 |
| MinceR | and if i were to walk on the street with a gun, i'd be arrested | Oct 17 16:15 |
| Xarver | MinceR: You said you would shoot the dog. | Oct 17 16:15 |
| MinceR | but if you walk on the street with a dog, you're not bothered. | Oct 17 16:15 |
| Xarver | Which I laugh at. | Oct 17 16:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Some breeds have never bitten anyone. | Oct 17 16:16 |
| MinceR | Xarver: if i could, i would. though i'd have to shoot any dogs on sight because otherwise there might not be enough time to act. | Oct 17 16:16 |
| Xarver | Because they're not dangerous if taught, and if they bite anyone you can get sued and it has to have a muzzle. | Oct 17 16:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: must be very rare reeds. | Oct 17 16:16 |
| oiaohm | They simply don't use there teeth that way. | Oct 17 16:16 |
| MinceR | s/ree/bree/ | Oct 17 16:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: they use their claws, then? | Oct 17 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly rare. | Oct 17 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Saint lived with monks for a long time basically any dog with attack nature got killed out there dna. | Oct 17 16:17 |
| Xarver | MinceR: ANY dog that bites someone publicly HAS to have a muzzle no matter what. | Oct 17 16:17 |
| MinceR | dogs also seem to just have to establish dominance over everyone. | Oct 17 16:17 |
| oiaohm | You cannot turn a saint into an attack dog. | Oct 17 16:17 |
| MinceR | which obviously means trying to intimidate, and attacking. | Oct 17 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Its just not in there nature. | Oct 17 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Ok they will lick you to death. | Oct 17 16:17 |
| Xarver | And my neighbors own a usually vicious dog breed, and lots of insurance don't cover them. She's one of the nicest dogs I know, and she's fun to play with. | Oct 17 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Not bite. | Oct 17 16:18 |
| Xarver | If I lay on the ground my dog will lick me, it's hilarious. :D | Oct 17 16:18 |
| MinceR | Xarver: which i'm sure will extend infinitely into the future. | Oct 17 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Guide dogs are also DNA sorted. | Oct 17 16:18 |
| MinceR | and i'm sure it will make the victims feel nice. | Oct 17 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Training a dog is not only about the training. | Oct 17 16:19 |
| MinceR | i don't really like being licked by a dog | Oct 17 16:19 |
| Xarver | lol. They've had the dog for 2 years. | Oct 17 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Its about the dogs DNA nature. | Oct 17 16:19 |
| MinceR | wow, 2 years must be enough for everything! | Oct 17 16:19 |
| oiaohm | You cannot make a dog be something there DNA nature does not allow. | Oct 17 16:19 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: where's the proof of their DNA not allowing such things? | Oct 17 16:19 |
| Xarver | MinceR: Well, once you go over to meet someone and they have a dog and you call it monster, they'll think you're crazy. | Oct 17 16:19 |
| MinceR | i've already been bitten by the dog of someone i've went over to meet. | Oct 17 16:20 |
| Xarver | MinceR: All of our mom's and dad's traits are inherited. | Oct 17 16:20 |
| oiaohm | Blood lines the traits are passed down dog blood lines. | Oct 17 16:20 |
| Xarver | They were a bad owner then. | Oct 17 16:20 |
| MinceR | Xarver: nope. things that are learned are rarely inherited | Oct 17 16:20 |
| MinceR | Xarver: and only 2 copies of every gene can be retained. | Oct 17 16:20 |
| MinceR | Xarver: well, it's easy to say that someone was a bad owner after the fact | Oct 17 16:21 |
| Xarver | I inherited my intellect from my father, and I'm very young. | Oct 17 16:21 |
| oiaohm | Even clone dogs have close to the same natures. | Oct 17 16:21 |
| MinceR | won't make anything more safe. | Oct 17 16:21 |
| Xarver | oiaohm: I don't think we should argue a debate that's going no where. | Oct 17 16:21 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Oct 17 16:22 |
| mutx | if you get a good natured dog, and you train it and treat it well, it will not even know how to attack, they can and do often live their entire lives without any agression. | Oct 17 16:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: DNA side of it from the cloning of dogs is known. | Oct 17 16:22 |
| MinceR | you'll always defend your monsters, no matter what. | Oct 17 16:22 |
| MinceR | and i'll be legally barred from defending myself for a long time. | Oct 17 16:22 |
| Xarver | And you'll always complain about nature's faults. | Oct 17 16:22 |
| MinceR | this isn't nature's fault, this is human's fault | Oct 17 16:22 |
| MinceR | bbl | Oct 17 16:22 |
| Xarver | Thank god. | Oct 17 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Now people internally breading agreesive dogs should be killed. | Oct 17 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes there are some breeders out there that dont' care when it comes to breeding the toy breeds. | Oct 17 16:23 |
| mutx | yes, designer dogs, are bad for genitic diversity. | Oct 17 16:24 |
| mutx | they get alot of problems | Oct 17 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Including major personallity problems. | Oct 17 16:24 |
| mutx | yes | Oct 17 16:24 |
| oiaohm | The thing MinceR does not understand is that I have been badly bitten. Not by my dogs. | Oct 17 16:25 |
| mutx | Ive been attacked by a Lion !! | Oct 17 16:26 |
| oiaohm | Only reason I got away with 3 bites is that I killed the dogs with my bare hands. | Oct 17 16:26 |
| mutx | cub* | Oct 17 16:26 |
| oiaohm | Stupid people and keeping a pack of non trained dogs. | Oct 17 16:26 |
| oiaohm | I was got to sort the mess out. | Oct 17 16:26 |
| mutx | and not becoming the top dog | Oct 17 16:27 |
| oiaohm | The dogs were top dog. | Oct 17 16:27 |
| oiaohm | I was not quite aware how out of control it has got. | Oct 17 16:27 |
| oiaohm | All they told me is they could not get into house. Would have been nice if they had told me the dogs had already bitten one of them. | Oct 17 16:28 |
| oiaohm | Yes after a dog that is not trained has bitten someone the game has changed massively. | Oct 17 16:28 |
| oiaohm | Ever since I put on full body armor when dealing with dogs I don't know. | Oct 17 16:29 |
| mutx | oiaohm, as you know, dogs really want to please you, it's just making sure you get them to understand what you want from them. show them how to be good, and feed them and they will love and obey you forever :) | Oct 17 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Its not exactly that simple. mutx | Oct 17 16:30 |
| oiaohm | if dog has a bad DNA personality you are better off to put the dog down. its less risk to you and normally better for the dog. | Oct 17 16:31 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Microsoft-has-known-of-the-SMB2-hole-for-some-time-832175.html | Oct 17 16:31 |
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| mutx | sure there are breeds that have been bread for agressiveness, you just dont get one of them, there are dogs bread for just about everything, | Oct 17 16:32 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly agressiveness. | Oct 17 16:32 |
| oiaohm | Working dogs are breed to use there teeth defensively. | Oct 17 16:33 |
| mutx | like fighting dogs, which are illegal. | Oct 17 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Fighting dogs are pure danger to everyone. | Oct 17 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Handlers other dogs other humans. | Oct 17 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Cats. | Oct 17 16:33 |
| oiaohm | I still like being asked once how to deal with 20 fighting dogs on a property. They took shock horror when I said just shot the lot in there cages. | Oct 17 16:34 |
| mutx | sure, and working dogs, you are right, they use agression, but they are working to please their owner, and they are shot if they start biting and killing the chooks. | Oct 17 16:34 |
| oiaohm | Good working dogs is not agreesion mutx | Oct 17 16:35 |
| mutx | yes, thats right | Oct 17 16:35 |
| oiaohm | They are going to be harmed its is defensive. | Oct 17 16:35 |
| oiaohm | And they are born like that. | Oct 17 16:35 |
| oiaohm | You hurt them they will bite without thinking. | Oct 17 16:35 |
| mutx | yes, my koolie was like that, not agressive at all, but great on a farm. | Oct 17 16:35 |
| oiaohm | When you take them in public a musle is recommend. | Oct 17 16:36 |
| oiaohm | You can never trust humans not to step on a paw or something. | Oct 17 16:36 |
| mutx | yes, true | Oct 17 16:36 |
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| oiaohm | That is owner responabilty. | Oct 17 16:36 |
| mutx | my dogs would squeel and start to nip, but they would never connect. | Oct 17 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Never say never. | Oct 17 16:37 |
| oiaohm | If the pain is large enough dog will completely bite without thinking. | Oct 17 16:37 |
| mutx | well, they are dead now, lived a full long life, so I can say never | Oct 17 16:37 |
| oiaohm | If you get another one. | Oct 17 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Its responsable owner ship you have to think how the dog could respond and protect dog from making mistake that you and the dog will regret. | Oct 17 16:38 |
| mutx | ofcourse, and when you're training them not to bite, you usually are bitten, but if any of my dogs ever bit me or anyone else I would put them down, and I have not had to do that yet. | Oct 17 16:38 |
| oiaohm | I have trained guard dogs as well. | Oct 17 16:39 |
| oiaohm | The kinds of dogs that bring down humans. | Oct 17 16:39 |
| mutx | my dogs where trained not to even ever run up to someone, because it scares some people, they would walk up slowly and sit in front of people, | Oct 17 16:39 |
| oiaohm | Most supprising thing you don't want a dog that will natrually bite to do that. | Oct 17 16:39 |
| oiaohm | You want a dog that will grip. | Oct 17 16:40 |
| oiaohm | Most fun dog I had was perfectly lick to death dog. | Oct 17 16:41 |
| oiaohm | But would play act to be fully agressive. | Oct 17 16:41 |
| oiaohm | grow hair standing up the works. | Oct 17 16:41 |
| oiaohm | grow/growl | Oct 17 16:41 |
| mutx | they seem to like that game I know mine did as well. | Oct 17 16:41 |
| oiaohm | did it like mirrors as well for prac to get it perfect. | Oct 17 16:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes its a funny seen seeing a dog stand in front of mirror pracing looks. | Oct 17 16:42 |
| mutx | LOL | Oct 17 16:43 |
| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5MTMv2aTjw&feature=player_embedded | Oct 17 16:43 |
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| trmanco | Linux need a 3d engine like this | Oct 17 16:43 |
| trmanco | ... | Oct 17 16:43 |
| mutx | "you lookin at me!!" | Oct 17 16:43 |
| trmanco | needs* | Oct 17 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say so far I am not that impressed with it trmanco | Oct 17 16:46 |
| trmanco | you should | Oct 17 16:47 |
| oiaohm | I have been playing with the blender development branch. | Oct 17 16:47 |
| trmanco | you should have played a game with cryengine 2 | Oct 17 16:47 |
| trmanco | it's the closest thing to reality | Oct 17 16:47 |
| trmanco | there is a opengl one, I can't remember the name now, phoronix covered it | Oct 17 16:47 |
| trmanco | which looks also pretty good | Oct 17 16:48 |
| trmanco | http://vis.cs.ucdavis.edu/~ogawa/codeswarm/ | Oct 17 16:48 |
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| trmanco | meh | Oct 17 16:48 |
| oiaohm | Blender engine is acceleration lacking. | Oct 17 16:48 |
| oiaohm | Effect wise equal. | Oct 17 16:48 |
| oiaohm | To be correct blender ahead. | Oct 17 16:48 |
| oiaohm | its just having big enough video cards to do blenders water. | Oct 17 16:49 |
| trmanco | there are | Oct 17 16:49 |
| trmanco | the are just a bit pricey | Oct 17 16:49 |
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| oiaohm | Water that moves exactly like real water. | Oct 17 16:50 |
| oiaohm | Even sounds like real water trmanco | Oct 17 16:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes sound generated from the envorment. | Oct 17 16:50 |
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| trmanco | the gaming industry has perfected water too | Oct 17 16:50 |
| trmanco | Valve's source engine is an example | Oct 17 16:51 |
| oiaohm | The sound genretion | Oct 17 16:51 |
| oiaohm | Is only in blender. | Oct 17 16:51 |
| trmanco | IMO, the Source engine's water look a bit better than Cryengine's in some cases | Oct 17 16:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what water looks good? | Oct 17 16:51 |
| trmanco | looks* | Oct 17 16:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | nexuiz's | Oct 17 16:51 |
| oiaohm | Nexuiz is fake water. | Oct 17 16:52 |
| trmanco | I think cube 2 had good looking water too | Oct 17 16:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | I still like it | Oct 17 16:52 |
| oiaohm | But is well done fake. | Oct 17 16:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | especially in that one FFA map | Oct 17 16:52 |
| oiaohm | cube 2 is also fake. | Oct 17 16:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | the one that its raining in | Oct 17 16:52 |
| oiaohm | Blender engine is true 3d movie. | Oct 17 16:53 |
| oiaohm | Issue with it is pure speed. Currently that is being addressed. | Oct 17 16:53 |
| oiaohm | http://vimeo.com/6997538 This is also nice in the blenders engine. | Oct 17 16:55 |
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| trmanco | not bad | Oct 17 16:58 |
| oiaohm | That is only first prototype. | Oct 17 17:00 |
| oiaohm | by end of movie they are planing to light a full virtual city up trmanco | Oct 17 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes before end of year. | Oct 17 17:00 |
| schestowitz | They make games too at Blender, sort of | Oct 17 17:04 |
| oiaohm | http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Source/Blender/Architecture/External_Engine_Interface Also the blender guys have worked that not every engine will do everything. | Oct 17 17:04 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: bullet going opencl + other sections of blender game engine going the same is seeing it more suitable for game. | Oct 17 17:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @glynmoody “Open Core” Is the New Shareware - http://ur1.ca/dt7t great analysis, with which I largely agree #opencore #shareware | Oct 17 17:05 | |
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| trmanco | http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=1073 | Oct 17 17:09 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc9JWYuUa2o This is a older blender realtime trmanco | Oct 17 17:10 |
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| trmanco | it's pretty neat | Oct 17 17:12 |
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| oiaohm | Think that is the older one. | Oct 17 17:13 |
| oiaohm | That is pure CPU no major GPU assistance trmanco | Oct 17 17:13 |
| oiaohm | Basically we are going to have lot of decent 3d engines with really decent edit tools. | Oct 17 17:14 |
| trmanco | then it is an incredible thing | Oct 17 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Also blender also support video textures in the game engine. | Oct 17 17:16 |
| oiaohm | So yes a TV in a game could be really playing tv. | Oct 17 17:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @mashable: http://bit.ly/1SfxlK <-- eBay/Paypal & MillerCoors are donating $0.01 every time you mention #beatcancer today. Pls RT! | Oct 17 17:16 | |
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| trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139471/Programmer_slip_up_produces_critical_bug_Microsoft_admits?source=rss_news | Oct 17 17:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Monash University migrates 58,000 students to Gmail: http://is.gd/4nQ75 | Oct 17 17:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Burgers…check… http://bit.ly/cbX9U | Oct 17 17:27 | |
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| schestowitz | Google Mail is not good news, either | Oct 17 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Universities should host their own mail | Oct 17 17:39 |
| schestowitz | They become some sort of attachment to companies, to whom they give young people who already pay tuition fees. There's no excuse to not running mail locally. | Oct 17 17:39 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 17 17:40 |
| MinceR | especially universities that have IT courses | Oct 17 17:41 |
| schestowitz | http://fscons.org/node/56 | Oct 17 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://heresycorner.blogspot.com/2009/10/bca-libels-itself.html | Oct 17 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://heresycorner.blogspot.com/2009/10/bca-libels-itself.html | Oct 17 17:43 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 17 17:44 |
| trmanco | but would it be better if it were in microsoft's hands? | Oct 17 17:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=13210 | Oct 17 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 17 17:45 |
| schestowitz | http://jackofkent.blogspot.com/2009/10/bca-defame-simon-singh.html | Oct 17 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=FP7_PROJ_EN&ACTION=D&DOC=4&CAT=PROJ&QUERY=011f30e52539:b685:00e1e967&RCN=89374 | Oct 17 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/14/45th_mersenne_prime_verified_revelaed/ | Oct 17 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | "Number porn lovers rejoice! The most ridiculously long prime number ever discovered has been verified and revealed in all its 12-million-digit glory." | Oct 17 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Kew seed bank has 10% of all plants – and counting http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427303.200-kew-seed-bank-has-10-of-all-plants--and-counting.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news | Oct 17 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://mashable.com/2009/10/15/google-earnings-3/ | Oct 17 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091015112140.htm | Oct 17 18:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Quote of the day #1 http://post.ly/8zZ1 | Oct 17 18:15 | |
| schestowitz | Russian historian arrested in clampdown on Stalin era http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/15/russia-gulag-historian-arrested | Oct 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Freedom of speech???? :-( | Oct 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | http://cee.mysociety.org/ | Oct 17 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | MI5 chief defends links with foreign agencies accused of torture http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/16/mi5-chief-torture-al-qaida | Oct 17 18:20 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, adelaide.edu.au has already migrated to Google Mail - I did not like the idea either... the university admins just see the $$$ savings | Oct 17 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: "and saved British lives" | Oct 17 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | like in the bus bombings? | Oct 17 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | whoops :P | Oct 17 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Minton report: Trafigura toxic dumping along the Ivory Coast broke EU regulations, 14 Sep 2006 http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Minton_report:_Trafigura_toxic_dumping_along_the_Ivory_Coast_broke_EU_regulations%2C_14_Sep_2006 | Oct 17 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, I noticed that the article mentioned adelaide.edu.au | Oct 17 18:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/3288 | Oct 17 18:31 |
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| kecskebak | I can't understand why a university would agree to doing this - they are putting a lot of faith in a third party in a different jurisdiction. | Oct 17 18:31 |
| amarsh04 | exactly, kecskebak | Oct 17 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Government anti-terrorism strategy 'spies' on innocent http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/16/anti-terrorism-strategy-spies-innocents | Oct 17 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | Treasury finds £60m to save cultural projects and fund new film centre http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/oct/16/treasury-cultural-projects-government-funding | Oct 17 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2354354,00.asp | Oct 17 18:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/10/final-ooxml-update-part-ii.html "This feels reminiscent of the situation in 1776, when we had the British attempting to impose their 'standards' and the Americans contesting the imposition strongly enough to form their own country." | Oct 17 18:56 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst yep! | Oct 17 19:17 | |
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| _goblin | good evening all. | Oct 17 19:21 |
| schestowitz | 'Gillis concedes that Google wields special influence over wireless companies, particularly in the U.S. (LiMo is headquartered in London and Tokyo.) "Google is a company that's rooted in North America and North American business culture," says Gillis. "The fact that it's getting initial traction there is natural."' | Oct 17 19:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/15/google-android-mobile-technology-wireless-limo.html?feed=rss_technology | Oct 17 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: good evening | Oct 17 19:34 |
| schestowitz | This one project looks nice: http://www.bombono.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ | Oct 17 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-16-023-35-RV-SW-0000Hulu Coding for DRM, rather than for performance? | Oct 17 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-16-023-35-RV-SW-0000 Hulu Coding for DRM, rather than for performance? | Oct 17 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3844091/Tech-Comics-Stallman-and-Windows-7.htm | Oct 17 19:38 |
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| DaemonFC | HP used to void your warranty for installing Linux | Oct 17 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | What amuses me is that one argument for Linux is how Vista performs so poorly | Oct 17 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | yet, when you plug in a RadeonHD video card, it performs half as fast as it does on Windows unless you get the binary Catalyst driver | Oct 17 19:43 |
| MinceR | does windows come with the binary catalyst driver preinstalled? | Oct 17 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | and Nvidia cards are basically a 2d-only paperweight without the Nvidia binary driver | Oct 17 19:44 |
| MinceR | once again, does windows come with the nvidia binary driver preinstalled? | Oct 17 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It comes with one that's good enough to use then Windows Update pulls in the latest version | Oct 17 19:44 |
| MinceR | so no, it doesn't | Oct 17 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it does | Oct 17 19:44 |
| MinceR | so you're spewing typical m$ FUD. | Oct 17 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | even the three year old Radeon driver you get if you have the RTM Vista disc works better than "radeonhd" | Oct 17 19:45 |
| MinceR | how difficult is it to install the official proprietary drivers? | Oct 17 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | the radeonhd driver is a total farce | Oct 17 19:46 |
| MinceR | how much effort does it take? | Oct 17 19:46 |
| MinceR | usually less than on winblows. | Oct 17 19:46 |
| MinceR | btw, gnu/linux usually outperformed windows even before vista. | Oct 17 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | on selected benchmarks with binary drivers I'm sure it breaks even +/- | Oct 17 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | that's the thing, you can't run the same games between them obviously, so what do you benchmark? | Oct 17 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | the native port of Doom 3 is slower on Linux than the Windows version in Wine | Oct 17 19:48 |
| MinceR | i can run the same games :> | Oct 17 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | "run it in Wine" would actually be a better answer in many cases than the god awful port they make | Oct 17 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | if any | Oct 17 19:49 |
| MinceR | based on a single sample? | Oct 17 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | well, pretty much all of id's recent ports are good examples | Oct 17 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | there probably won't be a Doom 4 for Linux though | Oct 17 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | id got purchased by Bethesda | Oct 17 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | Doom 4 will be another Windows only thing crawling with SecuROM | Oct 17 19:50 |
| *amarsh04 has just been rebuilding radeonhd and friends according to http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd:experimental_3D | Oct 17 19:55 | |
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| amarsh04 | back in a few, testing it out | Oct 17 19:55 |
| schestowitz | radeonhd is made by Novell | Oct 17 19:59 |
| schestowitz | But they fired Luc | Oct 17 19:59 |
| trmanco | so? | Oct 17 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm...... :-( :-( | Oct 17 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Some Things I Like about KDE 4 < http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40403 > | Oct 17 20:02 |
| trmanco | people will still work on it | Oct 17 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | She says: "Folks might ask if I hate KDE 4 so much, why don't I change? And quite simply, because it's still the best even when it sucks." | Oct 17 20:02 |
| schestowitz | It's like those people who say, "all software sucks" | Oct 17 20:03 |
| schestowitz | But kde4 works well for me | Oct 17 20:03 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, but not as many people. It slowed down a bit | Oct 17 20:03 |
| trmanco | but it will get where it needs | Oct 17 20:03 |
| MinceR | 4.3 seems to be a huge improvement | Oct 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28584/1090/ "Why more people don't use GNU/Linux: it's the apps, stupid" - "If one were to pose the question why don't more people use GNU/Linux, one would probably get as many answers as people who are asked the question." | Oct 17 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Opposite. | Oct 17 20:05 |
| schestowitz | He could say "why people use GNU/Linux? The apps!" | Oct 17 20:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nice! | Oct 17 20:06 |
| MinceR | i'll have to let it run for longer to see if plasma is behaving better, though | Oct 17 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40347#comment-11639 | Oct 17 20:09 |
| phIRCe | Title: In Search of KDE 4 | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 37.55 KB | Oct 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Beranger nags again. | Oct 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Do what I do and file bug reports. KDE4 has moved very quickly in the right direction (since 4.0) and 4.4 is scheduled for January IIRC. | Oct 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Linus intends to revisit KDE4. :-D | Oct 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | :" | Oct 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Plasma desktop takes a lot of RAM after about a week. Like 300MB | Oct 17 20:10 |
| MinceR | ugh | Oct 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I just restart KDE about once a week, no big deal. Takes a few moments, sessions gets entirely restored (better so than in KDE3 where window locations and CLI paths are not 'remembered') | Oct 17 20:11 |
| trmanco | you don't need to restart kde | Oct 17 20:12 |
| trmanco | just kquitapp plasma-desktop | Oct 17 20:12 |
| trmanco | wait | Oct 17 20:12 |
| trmanco | plasma-desktop | Oct 17 20:12 |
| trmanco | are you're done | Oct 17 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | I know | Oct 17 20:15 |
| _goblin | Hello Eric | Oct 17 20:15 |
| schestowitz | But other things sometimes leak too | Oct 17 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Cartman | Oct 17 20:15 |
| EDavidBurg | I'm listening to the interview now | Oct 17 20:15 |
| _goblin | Representing Linsux? | Oct 17 20:15 |
| EDavidBurg | Just started it though, no roy yet. | Oct 17 20:15 |
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| EDavidBurg | Hmm? | Oct 17 20:15 |
| _goblin | EDavidBurg: I see you in the Linsux chat room as a regular. The Linsux loons ban on me was very easy to get around. Its surprising that whilst they claim to like Linux, they are Windows users. Ive got an interesting article coming up on that. | Oct 17 20:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2009/10/5-reasons-why-google-chrome-os-may-not.html | Oct 17 20:19 |
| phIRCe | Title: | .::. Size~: 90.08 KB | Oct 17 20:19 |
| EDavidBurg | _goblin: I look forward to it, go ahead and post it on the site if you like | Oct 17 20:20 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ^^?? | Oct 17 20:20 |
| _goblin | Thanks but I don't need your approval. | Oct 17 20:20 |
| mutx | it's an interesting interview | Oct 17 20:21 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: kill and restart the process | Oct 17 20:21 |
| EDavidBurg | And I have no authority to give it out, just saying, if you feel like it, I think people would be interested in it. | Oct 17 20:21 |
| trmanco | knotify leaks here too | Oct 17 20:21 |
| trmanco | plasma | Oct 17 20:21 |
| trmanco | and the python kde update notifier thing | Oct 17 20:21 |
| _goblin | I don't think people will be that interested although it will help enlighten people when they mistaking believe that Linsux represents anything but an often vulgar and immature Windows opinion....Just like Mr Wong was corrected in his article. | Oct 17 20:23 |
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| EDavidBurg | Alright, well, I'll keep an eye out for it. | Oct 17 20:23 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: Your accent reminds me somewhat of Linus's | Oct 17 20:26 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: jono told me that | Oct 17 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to jono for a long time after the show | Oct 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | To cool things off | Oct 17 20:28 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: I'm only a few minutes into the interview | Oct 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm a Ubuntu user a lot of the time | Oct 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | And jono is a regular in this channel | Oct 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I still can't believe I'm using alpha/beta on a 'production' system | Oct 17 20:28 |
| schestowitz | It's the first time ever that I do this because I wanted kde 4.3 and (K)Ubuntu was the closest release with it | Oct 17 20:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: [20:21] <trmanco> schestowitz: kill and restart the process | Oct 17 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Not simple | Oct 17 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Then I have xchat orphaned | Oct 17 20:29 |
| schestowitz | But I think a patch fixed it some weeks ago | Oct 17 20:29 |
| trmanco | strange | Oct 17 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Cause if Plasma crashes (maybe once in 2 weeks), then it automatically returns and without orphaning | Oct 17 20:30 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: you should use the video version | Oct 17 20:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A discussion with Indiana Gregg – Setting the record straight. http://tinyurl.com/yfgx8tj | Oct 17 20:30 | |
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| phIRCe | Title: A discussion with Indiana Gregg Setting the record straight. « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 45.72 KB | Oct 17 20:30 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/16/boycott-novell-on-twit/ | Oct 17 20:30 |
| phIRCe | Title: Boycott Novell on TWiT TV (as Ogg) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.13 KB | Oct 17 20:31 |
| schestowitz | I basically hate the whole thing, but others thought it was not damaging for it to be out | Oct 17 20:31 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <trmanco> knotify leaks here too | Oct 17 20:31 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: right, it a gtk app | Oct 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | :-P | Oct 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | But it's a small process, can it leak much? | Oct 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | if I restart plasma right now | Oct 17 20:32 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: I'm on bad hotel internet, the video would take forever to download | Oct 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | everything comes back as it was | Oct 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | xchat no | Oct 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: it's ogg stream | Oct 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | xchat is low mem | Oct 17 20:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco transcoded it | Oct 17 20:32 |
| trmanco | I think the sound at the end is out of sync :| | Oct 17 20:33 |
| trmanco | about 10 minutes from the end :| | Oct 17 20:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe, but it's not a good solution | Oct 17 20:33 |
| schestowitz | 1725 roy 20 0 717m 317m 15m S 4 15.8 685:06.27 plasma-desktop | Oct 17 20:33 |
| schestowitz | 18373 roy 20 0 381m 248m 25m S 0 12.3 16:57.73 thunderbird-bin | Oct 17 20:33 |
| schestowitz | 15% of my RAM | Oct 17 20:33 |
| trmanco | 3185 trmanco 20 0 452m 60m 31m S 2 6.1 17:27.53 plasma-desktop | Oct 17 20:34 |
| schestowitz | 6.1 of 1gb? | Oct 17 20:34 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 17 20:34 |
| schestowitz | 61mb vs 300mb | Oct 17 20:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] yes Mint do make money from that search plugin, it also gives them better stats to take to other partners | Oct 17 20:34 | |
| trmanco | free -m | Oct 17 20:35 |
| trmanco | total used free shared buffers cached | Oct 17 20:35 |
| trmanco | Mem: 1002 949 52 0 25 391 | Oct 17 20:35 |
| trmanco | -/+ buffers/cache: 532 469 | Oct 17 20:35 |
| trmanco | Swap: 2243 156 2087 | Oct 17 20:35 |
| trmanco | Tasks: 150 total, 2 running, 148 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie | Oct 17 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | 22212 roy 20 0 339m 56m 28m S 2 2.8 0:04.71 plasma-desktop | Oct 17 20:36 |
| schestowitz | After restart | Oct 17 20:36 |
| trmanco | hehe :D | Oct 17 20:36 |
| schestowitz | kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop && knotify 'cough cough' | Oct 17 20:37 |
| trmanco | 3132 trmanco 20 0 238m 16m 12m S 9 1.6 28:33.27 kwin | Oct 17 20:38 |
| schestowitz | echo 'kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop' >> restart_plasma && chmod 755 restart_plasma | Oct 17 20:39 |
| MinceR | oh, that gives me an idea on how to fix pulseaudio on ubuntu | Oct 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | kdesktop was always a little more problematic to restart (in kde3) | Oct 17 20:40 |
| MinceR | remove execute permissions on it :> | Oct 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | One thing that's admirable is that I _never_ had to run to tty1 yet | Oct 17 20:40 |
| MinceR | on kubuntu i simply didn't install ubuntu-desktop, only its dependencies except pulseaudio :> | Oct 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I've used kde4 for almost 2 months and it NEVER froze or got hung up by a process. Not ever once. | Oct 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | In Mandriva I would have amarok taking a dump once in a few weeks, so I had to force-kill it | Oct 17 20:41 |
| schestowitz | When Mandriva 2010,0 it out, it ought to be solid | Oct 17 20:41 |
| MinceR | i stopped using amarok when it loaded a file of hundreds of megabytes entirely into RAM in order to look for a tag | Oct 17 20:42 |
| MinceR | when it got added into the media library | Oct 17 20:42 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 17 20:42 |
| trmanco | amarok is awesome | Oct 17 20:42 |
| MinceR | i prefer audacious | Oct 17 20:42 |
| schestowitz | [20:40] <MinceR> remove execute permissions on it :> | Oct 17 20:42 |
| schestowitz | It's s sh script | Oct 17 20:42 |
| MinceR | but it isn't run as "sh pulseaudio", is it? | Oct 17 20:42 |
| schestowitz | it runs OK | Oct 17 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | I have many proggies like this | Oct 17 20:43 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ cat wp-stat.sh | Oct 17 20:44 |
| schestowitz | # compact, move | Oct 17 20:44 |
| schestowitz | cp ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/rtx2dxi3.default/Mail/mail.schestowitz-6.com/Inbox.sbd/Monthly ~/Desktop | Oct 17 20:44 |
| schestowitz | kate ~/Main/Programs/mls-1.3/wp-hackers-stats/wphackers-notes & | Oct 17 20:44 |
| schestowitz | /home/roy/Main/Programs/mls-1.3/mls -i ~/Desktop/Monthly -o ~/Desktop/wphackers-output -v -m text -n 25 -T "Stats for wp-hackers" | Oct 17 20:44 |
| schestowitz | You can assign these commands with xbindkeys | Oct 17 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Then you can invoke complex processes with keyboard accelerators | Oct 17 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I have one to file database archives under date when I hit ctrl+alt+6 | Oct 17 20:45 |
| MinceR | i think i'll be forced to use debootstrap and chroot to have access to kde3 :/ | Oct 17 20:46 |
| schestowitz | In the past I wrote a script to delete (physically) the song played with currently | Oct 17 20:46 |
| MinceR | i still haven't managed to make the damn thing compile in a way that it could be stowed | Oct 17 20:46 |
| schestowitz | So when I listen to something terrible I can just delete it with some keystrokes | Oct 17 20:46 |
| schestowitz | http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/closed-ubuntu-design-suggests-mark/ | Oct 17 20:49 |
| phIRCe | Title: Closed Ubuntu Design Suggests Mark « DoctorMO's Blog .::. Size~: 37.3 KB | Oct 17 20:50 |
| tessier | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28570/1090/1/1/ | Oct 17 20:50 |
| tessier | Nice discussion about Mono | Oct 17 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pdftk.html | Oct 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, seen it in Linux Today | Oct 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | tessier: BN was right in 2006 about Mono | Oct 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | ANd we made more or less the same arguments | Oct 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | In 2007 we had more evidence | Oct 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Carla linked to page 2 for some reason. p1: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28570/1090/ | Oct 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | There seems to be Joomla/SamboServer bug in itwire. No links to page 1 | Oct 17 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://linux.bihlman.com/2009/10/16/debian-chinese-how-to/ | Oct 17 20:55 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: who is the person jono mentioned who hangs out on IRC? | Oct 17 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Oct 17 20:55 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: they like talking about "twitter" from SLashdot cause he has multiple accounts there | Oct 17 20:55 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: is that allowed? | Oct 17 20:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I gotta feeling.... | Oct 17 20:59 | |
| amarsh04 | just seen in #radeonhd: http://yangman.ca/blog/2009/10/15/linux-graphics-driver-stack-explained/ | Oct 17 21:00 |
| phIRCe | Title: Linux “Graphics Driver Stack†Explained « Geek on Two Wheels .::. Size~: 13.57 KB | Oct 17 21:00 |
| schestowitz | http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2009/10/16/9-years-of-magic/ | Oct 17 21:01 |
| phIRCe | Title: 9 years of magic | Moved by Freedom - Powered by Standards .::. Size~: 20.42 KB | Oct 17 21:01 |
| schestowitz | OOo claims 10% maket share globally | Oct 17 21:01 |
| schestowitz | But they force the price of Office down, so that too much be taken into consideration | Oct 17 21:01 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: no, and it's unethical too | Oct 17 21:01 |
| amarsh04 | in #radeon rather | Oct 17 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I have never used multiple names | Oct 17 21:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] experimental git-backed #mediawiki word-level blame system by @jamesmikedupont http://is.gd/4o4TH | Oct 17 21:01 | |
| phIRCe | Title: FMTYEWTK: Mediawiki git Word Level Blaming, one line per word .::. Size~: 84.11 KB | Oct 17 21:01 |
| schestowitz | As I understand it, "twitter" was abused by AstroTurfers, so he moved to other accounts. But then he started sockpuppetting, so I denounced him for this. He didn't stop AFAIK | Oct 17 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Before 2003/4 my usual handle name was royss2000 | Oct 17 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Like in ICQ days | Oct 17 21:03 |
| EDavidBurg | I've been EDavidBurg since my dad signed me up for AOL in 1996 | Oct 17 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Seems as though I'm not alone. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=royss2000&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Oct 17 21:04 |
| phIRCe | Title: royss2000 - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.94 KB | Oct 17 21:04 |
| schestowitz | It's all in Chinese or Cantonese or whatever | Oct 17 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://pcplus.techradar.com/node/3130/ | Oct 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Watch the banner | Oct 17 21:08 |
| phIRCe | Title: Sharma: Open Source Hardware | PC Plus .::. Size~: 31.23 KB | Oct 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 advert all over the place in FOSS articles | Oct 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/10/autofsck-for-ubuntu.html | Oct 17 21:09 |
| phIRCe | Title: AutoFsck For Ubuntu ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 142.58 KB | Oct 17 21:09 |
| trmanco | what? | Oct 17 21:10 |
| trmanco | Fsck | Oct 17 21:10 |
| trmanco | !google autofsck ubuntu | Oct 17 21:10 |
| phIRCe | [1] - AutoFsck - Ubuntu Wiki | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutoFsck | Oct 17 21:10 |
| phIRCe | [2] - AutoFsck/Doc - Ubuntu Wiki | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutoFsck/Doc | Oct 17 21:10 |
| phIRCe | [3] - [ubuntu] AutoFSCK - Ubuntu Forums | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D776728 | Oct 17 21:10 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Ubuntu 30-Mount Check Annoyance | micrux.net | http://micrux.net/%3Fp%3D52 | Oct 17 21:10 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2009/08/no-its-not-dead.html | Oct 17 21:11 |
| phIRCe | Title: Linux Hater's Blog: No, it's not dead .::. Size~: 140.42 KB | Oct 17 21:11 |
| schestowitz | " You should just admit that you are Roy Schestowitz and be done with it." | Oct 17 21:11 |
| schestowitz | ?? | Oct 17 21:11 |
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| trmanco | link to comment? | Oct 17 21:12 |
| EDavidBurg | methinks it was sarcastic | Oct 17 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Oct 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Why would *I* be a Linux hater? I'm an advocate all the way. | Oct 17 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I don't criticise companies like Novell for the "Linux", but only for issues of conduct like patents and policies. | Oct 17 21:22 |
| EDavidBurg | Just finished the interview. I think you did a very good job of explaining your point of view | Oct 17 21:25 |
| EDavidBurg | I think you do well when you incorporate both sides of the issue and argue your side. | Oct 17 21:25 |
| EDavidBurg | Obviously I have no authority to tell you what to post, but I think it might be beneficial to you to incorporate both sides a bit more, so it's more of a dialogue than a monologue | Oct 17 21:26 |
| _goblin | Schestowitz: FYI Mr EDavidBurg has this to say on your site/chat. I think (as before) his words should be taken with a pinch of salt. http://linsux.org/index.php?topic=2343.0;wap2 | Oct 17 21:27 |
| phIRCe | Title: BN Member Implies that Windows is better since it has more users .::. Size~: 5.86 KB | Oct 17 21:27 |
| _goblin | seems like he was proud of his trolling here. | Oct 17 21:27 |
| EDavidBurg | _goblin: I think we can both agree that I've been entirely civil while here | Oct 17 21:28 |
| _goblin | yes and you were before... | Oct 17 21:28 |
| _goblin | the point of your attendance was to bring some sort of joke into Linsux. | Oct 17 21:28 |
| _goblin | as you did on that link. | Oct 17 21:28 |
| _goblin | and took delight in it. | Oct 17 21:28 |
| trmanco | why can't we just all get along and stop the flaming? | Oct 17 21:29 |
| EDavidBurg | _goblin: if you recall, though, you joined ##linsuxchat and trolled us, and I joined shortly after and parodied you. | Oct 17 21:29 |
| EDavidBurg | But I have no interest in discussing this further | Oct 17 21:29 |
| _goblin | how was my question on the reason why you were asking for donations trolling? | Oct 17 21:29 |
| _goblin | I have not responded to Linsux and its abuse for so long. I kept my mouth shut. | Oct 17 21:30 |
| mutx | I think the interview, speaks very well for itself. | Oct 17 21:30 |
| EDavidBurg | = 15:02:23 | _goblin > How does it feel that you mock Boycott Novell, yet its chat and website are far more popular than yours.... | Oct 17 21:30 |
| EDavidBurg | = 15:02:40 | _goblin > shame? | Oct 17 21:30 |
| _goblin | see above | Oct 17 21:30 |
| trmanco | I blew it again | Oct 17 21:30 |
| trmanco | Executable: kopete PID: 3282 Signal: 6 (Aborted) | Oct 17 21:30 |
| EDavidBurg | how is that not inflammatory? | Oct 17 21:30 |
| _goblin | as I say, I let Linsux get away with their campaign for a long time. | Oct 17 21:30 |
| _goblin | it was only when I noticed that their chat only had 8 users I took the time to challenge them again. | Oct 17 21:31 |
| EDavidBurg | Well, we've got 9 now! :) | Oct 17 21:31 |
| _goblin | wd | Oct 17 21:31 |
| mutx | lucky it's not a popularity contest :) | Oct 17 21:32 |
| EDavidBurg | Really, as I've said: I have no interest in discussing this further. I've come here and tried to be civil, I listened to schestowitz's interview and gave my feedback. | Oct 17 21:33 |
| EDavidBurg | That's all I came to do. I've been met with hostility by you | Oct 17 21:33 |
| _goblin | well at least you can't blame Roy or BN. Yes I am hostile towards you, I have seen what you post about BN. Thats my opinion and it shows how reasonable Roy is in that he chats nicely to you. | Oct 17 21:34 |
| mutx | yes, it shows maturity. | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I'e just read: | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I just did a quick look in Synaptic, after a couple upgrades from | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Edubuntu. | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Only thing using Mono is Evolution. Since it is not required, it | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | can be uninstalled, along with the Mono libraries. Nothing else | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I see is using Mono, and all the rest is not installed by default. | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | - HPT | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Can anyone confirm? | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Evolution is NOT supposed to drag Mono with it | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It did in OpenSUSE | Oct 17 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Because there are mono plugins | Oct 17 21:35 |
| EDavidBurg | I agree, roy has been very mature about it | Oct 17 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: but | Oct 17 21:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | who cares about suse? | Oct 17 21:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has no users | Oct 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | It has many | Oct 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | In Germany | Oct 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE mostly | Oct 17 21:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | or so suse says | Oct 17 21:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont think they really do | Oct 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | They get them in magazine, so d/l numebrs don't mean much | Oct 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | And in Germany Linux has 6% preinstall rates in laptops now | Oct 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | In the UK it's 3% | Oct 17 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | germany doesnt even sound like a real country then | Oct 17 21:38 |
| *schestowitz installed evolution | Oct 17 21:39 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I should make an email client called creationism | Oct 17 21:39 |
| _goblin | I must admit I was a big supporter of SUSE for a long while, our computer club ran off it. | Oct 17 21:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im pretty sure ubuntu CE would ship it by default | Oct 17 21:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | _goblin: disgusting | Oct 17 21:40 |
| _goblin | diablo-D3: that being said, I think SUSE is one of the slower performing distro's now...when I compared it to Wolvix for eg, that little distro blew suse away. | Oct 17 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: don't be rude | Oct 17 21:41 |
| schestowitz | You put off people | Oct 17 21:41 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: ahh its ok....I think Diablo and me have an understanding! | Oct 17 21:41 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: he did afterall port zsnes.... | Oct 17 21:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Evolution is a groupware suite which integrates mail, calendar, address book, to-do list and memo tools. | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Additional features include integration with Exchange and Groupwise servers, newsgroup client, LDAP support, web calendars and synchronization with Palm devices. | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Evolution is a graphical application that is part of GNOME, and is distributed by Novell, Inc. | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | See http://www.novell.com/products/evolution/ for more information. | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | The following plugins belonging to the "base" set are included. | Oct 17 21:43 |
| phIRCe | Title: Novell Evolution: E-mail and Calendaring .::. Size~: 17.94 KB | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • calendar-file | Oct 17 21:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | HOLY CRAP | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • calendar-http | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • calendar-weather | Oct 17 21:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | evolution is a novell product? | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • itip-formatter | Oct 17 21:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | BURN IT | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • plugin-manager | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • python | Oct 17 21:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | BUUURRNNN IITTTT | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • default-source | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • addressbook-file | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • startup-wizard | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • mark-all-read | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • groupwise-features | Oct 17 21:43 |
| MinceR | it has always been a novell product ever since novell bought ximian :> | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • groupwise-account-setup | Oct 17 21:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | NUKE IT FROM ORBIT, ITS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE SUUUUUREEEEEEEE | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • webdav-account-setup | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • mail-account-disable | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • publish-calendar | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • caldav | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • imap-features | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • google-account-setup | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | • sa-junk-plugin | Oct 17 21:44 |
| MinceR | yet it seems to be the email client with the least (but still) broken search folder support | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | • bogo-junk-plugin | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | • exchange-operations | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | • mono | Oct 17 21:44 |
| MinceR | hm, i should check kmail again | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Shhhh | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | IT's the Mono issue that's the problem here | Oct 17 21:44 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: can't you use pastebin or something for stuff like that? or a link? | Oct 17 21:44 |
| _goblin | I've been a happy user of Thunderbird for a long while...does everything I need. and Diablo that was a quote from the film Aliens unless Im mistaken. | Oct 17 21:44 |
| MinceR | last time i checked thunderbird incremented the unread count for every search folder even if the new mail item didn't belong in them | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it rarely occurs to me | Oct 17 21:47 |
| schestowitz | But you're right | Oct 17 21:47 |
| *schestowitz makes mental note | Oct 17 21:47 | |
| *schestowitz moves on to looking at *NUX news | Oct 17 21:47 | |
| MinceR | also, thunderbird didn't refresh search folders when new mail arrived | Oct 17 21:48 |
| MinceR | evolution's bug in handling search folders is that mail items that should be in a particular search folder don't always appear | Oct 17 21:48 |
| schestowitz | thunderbird has good filters | Oct 17 21:50 |
| schestowitz | You could file in separate folder w/ filters | Oct 17 21:50 |
| schestowitz | But then you have one message-folder mapping | Oct 17 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Not the same as virtual ones, but... | Oct 17 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Also TB3 has good stuff I saw today. | Oct 17 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Hold on. | Oct 17 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/16/customize-the-email-archive-in-thunderbird-3/ | Oct 17 21:50 |
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| _goblin | Ive found Thunderbird very fast and because it handles all of my RSS/Email/NG needs Ive never really had an incentive to change. | Oct 17 21:53 |
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| _goblin | wow...my reader rate just jumped 100 unique IP's in the last 1/2 hour. Must be due to the Indiana Gregg interview I did. | Oct 17 21:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Athens #Schools Run #GNU #Linux, Kids Likes It http://ur1.ca/dtr2 http://ur1.ca/dsdd | Oct 17 21:57 | |
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| MinceR | filters won't do me any good | Oct 17 22:00 |
| MinceR | i'm collating newsfeed items into folders | Oct 17 22:00 |
| MinceR | but still keep them separate and sometimes access them that way | Oct 17 22:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux / #FOSS #Audiocasts Released: #LinuxOutlaws , CAOS Theory http://ur1.ca/drsq http://ur1.ca/dtrb | Oct 17 22:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CairoDock 2.1.0 Released, #Glista 0.4 Replaces #Mono / #Tomboy http://ur1.ca/dtrf http://ur1.ca/dtrg | Oct 17 22:02 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello all | Oct 17 22:05 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.metroactive.com/metro/09.19.07/news-0738.html since this site seems to be into politics lately, some of you might like this post | Oct 17 22:07 |
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| _goblin | Hi Chips! | Oct 17 22:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ah, the bot likes it. LOL Quote: "How many of these young Latino recruits are illegal immigrants? "Nobody knows," says Flavia Jimenez, an immigration policy analyst at the National Council of La Raza. "But what we do know is that recruiters may not be up to speed on everybody's legal status. We also know that a significant number of [illegals] have died in Iraq." | Oct 17 22:08 |
| _goblin | how are you? | Oct 17 22:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Gobin | Oct 17 22:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | quoting more: "The recruitment of illegal immigrants is particularly intense in Los Angeles, where 75 percent of high school students are Latino. "A lot of our students are undocumented," says Arlene Inouye, a teacher at Garfield High School in East Los Angeles, "and it's common knowledge that recruiters offer green cards." Inouye is the coordinator and founder of the Coalition Against Militarism in Our Schools, a | Oct 17 22:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> I slowed down at lot lately with other projects | Oct 17 22:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] This evening I was planning on doing some screencasting. Then I opened a new bottle of cognac. Fail. | Oct 17 22:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Conferences/Expos About Linux Summarised, Arrive: http://ur1.ca/dtrp http://ur1.ca/dtrq http://ur1.ca/dtrs | Oct 17 22:09 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | So the USA is using illegal immigrants to help fight its wars | Oct 17 22:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment and #GNOME Compared, Planned at Summits http://ur1.ca/dtrt http://ur1.ca/dtru http://ur1.ca/dtrv | Oct 17 22:11 | |
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| _goblin | my KDE experiences should be up on OB on Sunday.... | Oct 17 22:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so you trying the KDE4? | Oct 17 22:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Parsix #GNU #Linux 3.0, a Great Distribution from #Iran , is Released http://ur1.ca/dts1 | Oct 17 22:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PuppyLinux 4.3 Works Brilliantly on Old Laptop http://bit.ly/4bg2Rl #woof | Oct 17 22:15 | |
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| _goblin | yeah. | Oct 17 22:17 |
| _goblin | looking at KDE from a Gnome users point of view. | Oct 17 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I tried kde 4.2 in Danums Mepis, while it was not terrible (kde4) I decided to wait till I absolutly had to switch | Oct 17 22:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gnome being out of the question for me on ethical grounds since the blending of mono. | Oct 17 22:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KahelOS Produced Out of #Arch #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/4kgPYb | Oct 17 22:20 | |
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| _goblin | chips, its a difficult one...having said that I exercise my right/ability to remove it from my system...Mono gets no benefit from a Gnome sugerdaddy on my system. | Oct 17 22:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Calls for Contributions from Users http://ur1.ca/dtsc http://ur1.ca/dtsd | Oct 17 22:21 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 17 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin, I do understand what you are saying, that at this point Gnome is what you use, and are used to. That you can remove mono | Oct 17 22:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Earns Another Security Certification, CEO Interviewed http://ur1.ca/dtsi http://ur1.ca/dtsj | Oct 17 22:22 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello Roy | Oct 17 22:23 |
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| *schestowitz watches up with irc | Oct 17 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | *catches even! | Oct 17 22:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> its just with me, I prefer to boycott any distro that puts mono in by default | Oct 17 22:23 |
| _goblin | fair point. | Oct 17 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mono just seems to be a way for M$ to get a back door into GNU/Linux. One of my main reasons to use GNU/Linux is to get away from M$ software and problems. | Oct 17 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Microsoft Nick is promoting VIsta 8 this week | Oct 17 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I couldn't help noticing and I'll post about it l8er | Oct 17 22:25 |
| _goblin | my main rig runs XFCE so really I am an XFCE fan not a Gnome user. | Oct 17 22:25 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <Chips_B_Malroy> So the USA is using illegal immigrants to help fight its wars | Oct 17 22:25 |
| schestowitz | No, it uses unemployment | Oct 17 22:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have not watched Nick at M$ Watch lately, his posts are so boring mostly | Oct 17 22:25 |
| schestowitz | If people are at risk of not having a roof over their head they join the army (=cannon fodder) | Oct 17 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | And failing that, they recruit the Mujahadeen (Spelling) and give them Stingers | Oct 17 22:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes Roy, but its more than that, these illegals are being exploited | Oct 17 22:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | without them, there might be a draft | Oct 17 22:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The gagging attempt only drew more publicity, will people ever learn? http://tinyurl.com/yll2nmu | Oct 17 22:26 | |
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| schestowitz | [22:25] <Chips_B_Malroy> I have not watched Nick at M$ Watch lately, his posts are so boring mostly | Oct 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he recites conventions | Oct 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Docile writers echo press releases | Oct 17 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | If I wanted to read that, I'd go to PRNewsWire for my 'news' | Oct 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I.e. I/O of PR departments | Oct 17 22:27 |
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| yuhong_ | Anyway, MS and Intel were not always friends. | Oct 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Of course not | Oct 17 22:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nick has not learned the first rule of a M$ fanboi reporter. If you want readers, you have to post some negative viewpoints on M$ sometimes, or readers will not be interested | Oct 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It's a marriage of convenience | Oct 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | ATM Windows protects x86 | Oct 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | AMD and Intel play "favourites" with Ballmer and Pearly | Oct 17 22:28 |
| yuhong_ | wait while i dig out a source | Oct 17 22:29 |
| yuhong_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Architecture_Labs | Oct 17 22:30 |
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| yuhong_ | "IAL pursued both hardware and software initiatives, but the latter became de-emphasized after the efforts collided with similar activities by Microsoft. For example, Native Signal Processing (NSP) was a software initiative to allow Intel-based PCs to run time-sensitive code independently of the operating system, allowing real-time audio and video processing on the microprocessors of the... | Oct 17 22:30 |
| yuhong_ | ...mid-1990s. Microsoft refused to support NSP in its operating systems and convinced PC makers that the NSP drivers would render their systems unsupported, and Intel pulled back from promoting the software, leaving NSP as an orphan. IAL also tangled with Microsoft by supporting Netscape and their early browser, and by producing a fast native x86 port of the Java system. Most of these... | Oct 17 22:30 |
| yuhong_ | ...projects were later shelved, and after 1997 IAL tended not to risk competing with Microsoft. The details of IAL's conflicts with Microsoft over software were revealed in Steven McGeady's testimony in the Microsoft anti-trust trial. | Oct 17 22:30 |
| yuhong_ | http://partners.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/11/biztech/articles/16soft.html | Oct 17 22:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Puts Microsoft Code in http://bit.ly/QWsD6 | Oct 17 22:30 | |
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| yuhong_ | http://news.cnet.com/Intel-Microsoft-made-threats/2100-1001_3-217653.html | Oct 17 22:31 |
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| yuhong_ | http://www.theregister.co.uk/1998/11/11/microsoft_said_drop_nsp/ | Oct 17 22:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WindRiver: #Linux is Absolutely Meeting Our Needs. http://bit.ly/b89tK | Oct 17 22:31 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | what would be interesting is if AMD get a license to make ARM cpu's | Oct 17 22:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WindRiver Puts #Linux in New Automation Unit http://bit.ly/3s7nsj | Oct 17 22:33 | |
| schestowitz | yuhong_: Microsoft organised boycotts vs Intel | Oct 17 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | INTC did some of its own dirty things at the time | Oct 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | If you look at Google News archives you'll see Intel's bloody past of commercial bloodshed and corruption | Oct 17 22:34 |
| yuhong_ | Of course, I know about how they tried to take away AMD's right to make 386s, but that is not what I am talking about. | Oct 17 22:35 |
| yuhong_ | On the other hand, would Intel have updated some of their low-end CPUs, like Q8300, E7400, E7500, E5200, E5300, to have VT if it wasn't for Windows Virtual PC in Windows 7? | Oct 17 22:37 |
| yuhong_ | As well as of course make new ones have VT. | Oct 17 22:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yuhong> more likely because of the competition from AMD which almost all current cpu's have AMD-v | Oct 17 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not win7 | Oct 17 22:38 |
| yuhong_ | Except that even AMD did not initially add AMD-V to Semprons. | Oct 17 22:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its why I said almost all | Oct 17 22:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 17 22:39 |
| yuhong_ | But again they eventually added it to newer Semprons. | Oct 17 22:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Expects #Linux Blowout in Phones http://bit.ly/nFrXo | Oct 17 22:39 | |
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| yuhong_ | I am trying to look up when they added it to Semprons. | Oct 17 22:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Fedora #GNU #Linux for Widely-distributed #Subnotebooks http://smparrish.livejournal.com/9513.html | Oct 17 22:40 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | so if you want virtualization in your cpu, you best buy a AMD chip right now, as Intel cpu's are a bit hard to figure if they have it or not | Oct 17 22:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Former SUSE Community Head Impressed by Clipperz (AGPLv3) http://bit.ly/JTOSx | Oct 17 22:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Revolution Reaches Hardware http://pcplus.techradar.com/node/3130/ (Warning: Microsoft banner noise) | Oct 17 22:43 | |
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| yuhong_ | AMD added VT to Semprons in July 2009 with the AM3 Sargas core. | Oct 17 22:44 |
| yuhong_ | And true, they were indeed losing customers to AMD because of this, and XP mode in Win7 only made it worse. | Oct 17 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Semprons are the low end, correct? | Oct 17 22:45 |
| yuhong_ | Yep. | Oct 17 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, now i see your tie in with win7. And it does make sense | Oct 17 22:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco Tries to Contain the #FreeSoftware Competition http://bit.ly/KI3nb | Oct 17 22:45 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | mobile Intel cpu's were really hard to figure out if they supported virtuation | Oct 17 22:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | still are | Oct 17 22:47 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, the laptop I am typing this on has a CPU that does not have VT. | Oct 17 22:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | reason to ask for refund if its still within the time period | Oct 17 22:49 |
| yuhong_ | It isn't now. | Oct 17 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | of course, too bad | Oct 17 22:49 |
| yuhong_ | Core 2 Duo E5250, has no VT. | Oct 17 22:49 |
| yuhong_ | But even laptops that had CPUs with VT, not all BIOS enabled it. | Oct 17 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wonder if they crippled em on purpose, so people would have a reason to buy another later on | Oct 17 22:50 |
| yuhong_ | Sony VAIO for example, did not. | Oct 17 22:50 |
| yuhong_ | Again we can thank XP mode for finally getting Sony to fix it on some of their laptops. | Oct 17 22:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and AMD competition | Oct 17 22:51 |
| yuhong_ | HP did not initally support it either, but they fixed it: | Oct 17 22:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the question is, how many of those Intel cpu's are still out in the channel, and still being put in computers still being built? | Oct 17 22:52 |
| yuhong_ | http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=1051601 | Oct 17 22:52 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | the ones without Virtualization, that is | Oct 17 22:53 |
| yuhong_ | And on that matter, let me dig out some PCNs. | Oct 17 22:53 |
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| fewa | wow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thR-lVuztIY | Oct 17 22:55 |
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| fewa | no http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4hYkfwuTY | Oct 17 22:55 |
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| yuhong_ | Intel issued the version of the PCN to add VT to OEM version of Q8300, E7400, E7500, E5300, E5400 in April. | Oct 17 22:56 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't think I'll go back to Intel | Oct 17 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | I was really disappointed with Core 2 | Oct 17 22:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mainstream Press Heralds Growth of #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/dtub Mainstream Press Heralds Growth of Free Software http://ur1.ca/dtuc | Oct 17 22:56 | |
| fewa | Every computer i have bought has been AMD | Oct 17 22:57 |
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| fewa | ever since my first K7 | Oct 17 22:57 |
| fewa | *K6 | Oct 17 22:57 |
| fewa | wait 7 | Oct 17 22:57 |
| yuhong_ | April 15, 2009, to be more precise. | Oct 17 22:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Wants Policy Change to Favour Free(dom) Software http://bit.ly/T5esw | Oct 17 22:57 | |
| yuhong_ | It says that | Oct 17 22:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I built one Intel system awhile back, and was not impressed with it | Oct 17 22:58 |
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| yuhong_ | Date of First Availability of Post-Conversion Material: June 12, 2009 | Oct 17 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, I went K6/2, then Pentium 3 based Celeron, then Pentium 4 based Celeron, then a 64-bit Sempron (Athlon64 based), then upgraded that to an Athlon64 3200+ when Newegg had an OEM part for $25 | Oct 17 22:58 |
| yuhong_ | Date Customer Must be Ready to Receive Post-Conversion Material: July 15, 2009 | Oct 17 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | then I went to Core 2 Duo cause people were raving about how much better Intel had gotten | Oct 17 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and for a 64bit Intel system, you expect it to have VT | Oct 17 22:58 |
| yuhong_ | I know. | Oct 17 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | now I'm on Phenom II X4 945 | Oct 17 22:58 |
| fewa | Phenom 9550 | Oct 17 22:59 |
| yuhong_ | Yes, I remember the TLB bug. | Oct 17 22:59 |
| yuhong_ | Now let me dig out the PCN that added it to retail processors. | Oct 17 22:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Also, ATI has been very reliable for me, but NVidia seems to have too many problems of late | Oct 17 22:59 |
| yuhong_ | It was issued July 2, 2009. | Oct 17 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | the Phenom II's main differences are no TLB bug, 6 MB of L3 instead of 2 MB, and Cool N' Quiet for the entire CPU instead of per core cause Vista was running threads on idling cores on the old Phenom | Oct 17 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | so Phenom II fixes all the really aggravating shit of the original Phenom | Oct 17 23:00 |
| yuhong_ | I know, Intel face the same problem with Turbo Mode. | Oct 17 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | their TLB bug "patch" brought the performance of the original Phenom down by over 20% | Oct 17 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | you might as well not even apply it if you never have the system freeze issue anyway | Oct 17 23:01 |
| yuhong_ | workaround actually. | Oct 17 23:01 |
| yuhong_ | B3 stepping has the fix. | Oct 17 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it disabled the TLB totally | Oct 17 23:01 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, B3 stepping fixed the bug properly. | Oct 17 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Linux is the fix | Oct 17 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | Linux just had a work around that didn't lead to as bad of a slowdown as the BIOS patch | Oct 17 23:02 |
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| yuhong_ | Yep, AMD OSRC was able to create a patch to the Linux kernel that workaround the bug. | Oct 17 23:03 |
| *amarsh04 is glad to have skipped PIII, P4, Athlon entirely and has an Athlon64 dual core on the new machine | Oct 17 23:03 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Vi$ta is a virus, or soon to be infected with one | Oct 17 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04, The Pentium 3 wasn't a bad CPU | Oct 17 23:03 |
| fewa | defective by design | Oct 17 23:03 |
| amarsh04 | only when pushed to 1.13 GHz | Oct 17 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | the Pentium 4 was awful though | Oct 17 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | the Pentium 4 line was what let AMD get the better of them | Oct 17 23:03 |
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| fewa | vista is a beast | Oct 17 23:03 |
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| fewa | rapid | Oct 17 23:04 |
| fewa | *rabid | Oct 17 23:04 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, and don't forget the Itanium too. | Oct 17 23:04 |
| fewa | :P | Oct 17 23:04 |
| fewa | Itanic | Oct 17 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Vista is like 10% more of a workload than XP on a system that's 10 times faster than the one I had a few years ago | Oct 17 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | I really don't think it matters a lot | Oct 17 23:04 |
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| fewa | DaemonFC, only if you have 3 GB or RAM | Oct 17 23:05 |
| fewa | for the OS | Oct 17 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | I have 8 GB | Oct 17 23:05 |
| fewa | me too | Oct 17 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | + 1 GB on the GPU | Oct 17 23:05 |
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| yuhong_ | Found the retail PCN. | Oct 17 23:06 |
| yuhong_ | Opening it. | Oct 17 23:06 |
| yuhong_ | Both Date Customer Must be Ready to Receive Post-Conversion Material: | Oct 17 23:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> sorry to hear about your heath problems, I hope you feeling better these days. | Oct 17 23:06 |
| yuhong_ | And Date of First Availability of Post-Conversion Material: | Oct 17 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | thanks, actually, I'm almost feeling normal right now | Oct 17 23:07 |
| yuhong_ | Says August 03, 2009. | Oct 17 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'd give it another week or so | Oct 17 23:07 |
| yuhong_ | I have 1.5 GB of RAM, and Vista can be slow on my computer. | Oct 17 23:07 |
| yuhong_ | But I have a lot of software installed. | Oct 17 23:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Also I completely agree with you about the lack of medical for our country. | Oct 17 23:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm Obeys the #GPL http://ur1.ca/dtv7 http://ur1.ca/dtv9 | Oct 17 23:07 | |
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| yuhong_ | The interesting thing about both PCNs is that the stepping did not change. | Oct 17 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, I keep saying that the government needs to seize the drug companies and shut down the insurance companies | Oct 17 23:08 |
| yuhong_ | Only way to tell is by the product code or by the S-step. | Oct 17 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | that's what they'd do if they were really working for us | Oct 17 23:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | YES! | Oct 17 23:08 |
| yuhong_ | I would not go that far. | Oct 17 23:08 |
| fewa | yuhong_, with Linux, you are good to go | Oct 17 23:09 |
| yuhong_ | But I agree about the need for more competition. | Oct 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | the only way to fix that mess is to shut them down | Oct 17 23:09 |
| *iKonaK has quit (Client Quit) | Oct 17 23:09 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | instead we see the media concern for what is to happen to these insurance companies | Oct 17 23:09 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, yep | Oct 17 23:09 |
| yuhong_ | I know. | Oct 17 23:09 |
| fewa | those poor billionares | Oct 17 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | making them compete with a "public option" only works if the govt plan can compete for fair drug prices | Oct 17 23:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I say send the insurance companies leaders to jail | Oct 17 23:09 |
| yuhong_ | I dual-boot Linux on this computer too. | Oct 17 23:09 |
| fewa | with their 100million dollar salaries and bonuses | Oct 17 23:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | AIG got the bailout | Oct 17 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, Amen | Oct 17 23:10 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, the horrible thing called shareholder value. | Oct 17 23:10 |
| fewa | http://screencrave.com/2009-09-22/votd-help-will-ferrel-support-insurance-companies/ | Oct 17 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | those bonuses would buy a lot of major surgeries and life saving medicine | Oct 17 23:10 |
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| DaemonFC | instead, the execs get to light their cigars on a fist full of $100 bills | Oct 17 23:10 |
| yuhong_ | OF course. | Oct 17 23:10 |
| fewa | Paid to deny care: woooo! cant get rid of that | Oct 17 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Insurance companines need to be done away with, they are just dishonest middlemen | Oct 17 23:11 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, the nonsense called shareholder value, agency theory, and stock options. | Oct 17 23:11 |
| fewa | the 40,000 a year that die due to not having health insuance | Oct 17 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and others suffer | Oct 17 23:11 |
| fewa | and then the government purposefully starts with "the public option" | Oct 17 23:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Open Core” Disliked by #SFLC , Neglects Freedom Further http://bit.ly/HmToZ | Oct 17 23:11 | |
| fewa | instead of single payer | Oct 17 23:11 |
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| yuhong_ | Yep, it shows how horrible the idea called shareholder value, agency theory, and stock options are. | Oct 17 23:12 |
| fewa | lets defend the right for insuance companies to deny care! | Oct 17 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | insurance companies get paid the big bucks to put you in worse health then drop you just before you're about to die on them | Oct 17 23:12 |
| fewa | lets protect the right for insurance companies to take 30% in profit and overhead | Oct 17 23:12 |
| fewa | !!! | Oct 17 23:12 |
| yuhong_ | I know. | Oct 17 23:12 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, it shows how horrible the idea called shareholder value, agency theory, and stock options are. | Oct 17 23:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But I do have one problem with what might come out of congress. If it becomes mandiatory "insurance," that is not going work. The people who do not have insurance now cannot afford it, so only a public plan works. | Oct 17 23:13 |
| fewa | and the US pays twice the per capita cost for health care, and get lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality rates | Oct 17 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, When I was insured by Cigna, they had an 800 number where you could call one of their nurses and tell them what your symptoms were over the phone | Oct 17 23:13 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, I am vouching for single payer, medicare for all | Oct 17 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | they called iut a benefit, but it was really a way around HIPPA privacy laws | Oct 17 23:13 |
| fewa | medicare works, it has problems, but it works | Oct 17 23:13 |
| fewa | The VA also works | Oct 17 23:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free as in #Freedom ( #GPL ) Does Not Conflict with Moneymaking http://ur1.ca/dtvm http://ur1.ca/dtvn | Oct 17 23:13 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Fewa> yes, agreed | Oct 17 23:13 |
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| fewa | and is the only thing currently keeping down costs | Oct 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare can't negotiate for better drug prices | Oct 17 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's what's wrong with Medicare | Oct 17 23:14 |
| fewa | why not expand it down to 55 year olds | Oct 17 23:14 |
| fewa | 40 year olds? | Oct 17 23:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The medical establishments, hospitals, are all monopolies in the USA | Oct 17 23:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | non-profit is a scam | Oct 17 23:14 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, doctors and nurses overwhelming support single payer | Oct 17 23:15 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, I read mercola.com which has a lot on this topic. | Oct 17 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the cost of medical must come down | Oct 17 23:15 |
| fewa | its the drug monopolists, wall street, and CEOs that are against it | Oct 17 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and hospital | Oct 17 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a | Oct 17 23:15 |
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| fewa | any why wouldn't they be? they are making millions off of the worst health care system in the developed world | Oct 17 23:16 |
| fewa | *billions | Oct 17 23:16 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, you can help with hospitals just by giving preventative care | Oct 17 23:16 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, it shows how horrible the idea called shareholder value, agency theory, and stock options are. | Oct 17 23:16 |
| fewa | go into seniors homes and install a guard rail, and prevent a hospital visit over a fall | Oct 17 23:16 |
| fewa | something like 70% of medicare hospital visits are over trips and falls | Oct 17 23:16 |
| fewa | yuhong_, not only is it a bad idea, but it doesn't exist | Oct 17 23:17 |
| fewa | the US public spends >$30 billion/yr to NIH to develop medicines and drugs | Oct 17 23:17 |
| fewa | far more the the pharmaceuticals do | Oct 17 23:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there was a time we could buy drugs online from Canada, but I think Bush and company stopped that,or at least tried to | Oct 17 23:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | was a lot cheaper too | Oct 17 23:18 |
| fewa | then the public _pays gagain_ for the things they funded | Oct 17 23:18 |
| fewa | through monopoly pricing with patents | Oct 17 23:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 17 23:18 |
| fewa | We would ssave immensely if we just increased public funding to 100% | Oct 17 23:18 |
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| fewa | and therefore got rid of the excuse for monopoly pricing | Oct 17 23:19 |
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| yuhong_ | Yep, the disaster that is the insurance companies shows how horrible the idea called "shareholder value" is. | Oct 17 23:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but why stop at medical? why not complete care, add in dental, eye, and burial | Oct 17 23:19 |
| fewa | yuhong_, but im showing that the state system of the government is equally responsible | Oct 17 23:19 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, that is what HR 676 does | Oct 17 23:19 |
| yuhong_ | I know, the government and the AMA protects the drug company monopoly in health care. | Oct 17 23:20 |
| schestowitz | fewa: ta for the TY links. Will watch them shortly. | Oct 17 23:20 |
| fewa | schestowitz, have you seen gray comments? | Oct 17 23:21 |
| yuhong_ | Think about it, insurance companies "maximize shareholder value" by denying care, which is ridicolous. | Oct 17 23:21 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco | Oct 17 23:21 |
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| yuhong_ | And "shareholder value" at it's worst. | Oct 17 23:21 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCAPX0RKwDU&feature=channel_page | Oct 17 23:21 |
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| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ery7RZ4tZ2Y&feature=channel_page | Oct 17 23:22 |
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| fewa | yuhong_, and maximize profits by minimizing competition, getting patents | Oct 17 23:22 |
| yuhong_ | Yep. | Oct 17 23:22 |
| fewa | and congress gives it to them | Oct 17 23:23 |
| yuhong_ | And old style PR made it worse. | Oct 17 23:23 |
| fewa | representing the corporations, not their constituents | Oct 17 23:23 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, based on broadcasting a message. | Oct 17 23:23 |
| fewa | capital flight is the worst | Oct 17 23:23 |
| fewa | you cant lets the investor class move money from one place to another at will | Oct 17 23:23 |
| fewa | they will use it to crush popular uprisings and instill controll | Oct 17 23:24 |
| fewa | it creates a "virtual senate" | Oct 17 23:24 |
| fewa | and beg for corporate welface | Oct 17 23:24 |
| fewa | *welfare | Oct 17 23:24 |
| fewa | blackmailing municipalities for low tax rates | Oct 17 23:24 |
| fewa | which are not given to small businesses | Oct 17 23:25 |
| yuhong_ | Needless to say, the better big companies consider it a horrible idea. | Oct 17 23:25 |
| yuhong_ | Like Google, Costco, and more. | Oct 17 23:25 |
| fewa | but many are designed to instill controll | Oct 17 23:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and when you allow non-citizens to join your military, to fight for you, and you give them a green card as a incentive to join. Look at the Roman Empire at the end, those fighting for it were not Romans | Oct 17 23:25 |
| fewa | a corporation is a tyranny | Oct 17 23:25 |
| fewa | it is not a democracy | Oct 17 23:25 |
| fewa | small business are the basis of society, not large tyrannys | Oct 17 23:26 |
| yuhong_ | I know, but I am talking about shareholer value. | Oct 17 23:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Corporations have taken over control of the USA, last time Sherman Antitrust laws were effective, was against Ma Bell | Oct 17 23:28 |
| yuhong_ | I know. | Oct 17 23:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Or rather I should say, those who control the wealth of the corporations | Oct 17 23:28 |
| yuhong_ | And that can be bad when they control what is supposed to check them. | Oct 17 23:28 |
| yuhong_ | Like the drug companies control the FDA> | Oct 17 23:28 |
| yuhong_ | Like the drug companies control the FDA;. | Oct 17 23:28 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, Sherman Antitrust needs a qui tam provision | Oct 17 23:30 |
| fewa | the problem is that enforcement is political, it is only done by the executive, the president | Oct 17 23:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you are absolutely correct | Oct 17 23:30 |
| fewa | and when we have presidents that repeatedly say "lets look to the future, the past is behind us" | Oct 17 23:30 |
| fewa | it just doesn't work | Oct 17 23:30 |
| fewa | that is code word for: we wont prosecute you if you have political sway | Oct 17 23:31 |
| fewa | like the torture | Oct 17 23:31 |
| yuhong_ | I know, my favorite is Ron Paul. | Oct 17 23:31 |
| fewa | The US government tortures | Oct 17 23:31 |
| fewa | and the executive has said that this is OK | Oct 17 23:31 |
| fewa | that they wont prosecute it | Oct 17 23:31 |
| yuhong_ | I know. | Oct 17 23:32 |
| fewa | telling us that we should use the constitution as a piece of toilet paper | Oct 17 23:32 |
| fewa | more executive power, it is OK to wiretap people, it is OK to arrest people for using twitter, it is OK to torture, it is OK to have undeclared war | Oct 17 23:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | any system that would require a payroll deduction for mandiatory private insurance will be a disaster | Oct 17 23:33 |
| yuhong_ | I know, my favorite is Ron Paul, because he believe none of these.. | Oct 17 23:34 |
| fewa | *ok to institute dragnet survillence | Oct 17 23:34 |
| fewa | Ron Paul is consistant | Oct 17 23:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | ron paul has a humungous dick | Oct 17 23:34 |
| fewa | but he doesn't understand corporate power, IMHO | Oct 17 23:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | why else would the rest of congress hate him? | Oct 17 23:34 |
| fewa | he talks about contract rights | Oct 17 23:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | his vice presidental running mate was a good one too | Oct 17 23:34 |
| fewa | as a panacea | Oct 17 23:35 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, I don | Oct 17 23:35 |
| schestowitz | [23:34] <Diablo-D3> ron paul has a humungous dick | Oct 17 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Language warning | Oct 17 23:35 |
| yuhong_ | Yep, I don't remember the name, but another president do understand it. | Oct 17 23:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Takes Microsoft's Business http://ur1.ca/dtwv Google drives Microsoft *MAD*! | Oct 17 23:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] listened to all of new order "singles"; their 1998 reformation was a net minus to music | Oct 17 23:35 | |
| yuhong_ | Yep, I don't remember the name, but another running president do understand it. | Oct 17 23:36 |
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| fewa | The democrats promised that they would pass the Employee Free Choice Act | Oct 17 23:36 |
| fewa | but everyone has been completely silent | Oct 17 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They hate Paul because Paul does not want to spend money. Taxpayers money on frious things | Oct 17 23:36 |
| fewa | it needs to come to a vote | Oct 17 23:36 |
| fewa | senators need to be forced to take a position, show if they are actually democrats | Oct 17 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Spending money is power. Spending money means kickbacks and lobbing | Oct 17 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lobbying | Oct 17 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and contributions | Oct 17 23:37 |
| yuhong_ | Yea, I know about when that was interpheted as "free speech". | Oct 17 23:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Liberates EBooks / Ereaders http://ur1.ca/dky0 http://ur1.ca/dtwx | Oct 17 23:37 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | why else do most western countries have to borrow money all the time? | Oct 17 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its why they hate him | Oct 17 23:39 |
| yuhong_ | I know. | Oct 17 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | "Every time we get close to passing reform, the insurance companies produce these phony studies as a prescription and say, 'Take one of these, and call us in a decade.' Well, not this time," Obama said | Oct 17 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN17525473 | Oct 17 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Paul is the exception in Congress when it comes to spending money | Oct 17 23:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #YouTube Frees Video, #MAFIAA Fights Back http://ur1.ca/dtx0 http://ur1.ca/dtx1 | Oct 17 23:39 | |
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| fewa | Kucinich | Oct 17 23:40 |
| fewa | Paul doesn't support single payer health care | Oct 17 23:40 |
| fewa | single payer health care is the only way to get comparable care to other countries | Oct 17 23:41 |
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| fewa | HR676 will cover dental, optical, long term , hospital, preventative care, etc | Oct 17 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he is for small government, not increasing the size, and for indivual liberaties | Oct 17 23:41 |
| fewa | the Congressional Progressive Caucus is behind it | Oct 17 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but not for health care | Oct 17 23:41 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, small government means big corporations | Oct 17 23:41 |
| fewa | it just doesn't work | Oct 17 23:42 |
| fewa | look at FDR and the new deal | Oct 17 23:42 |
| fewa | that worked | Oct 17 23:42 |
| fewa | the longest period of growth in history | Oct 17 23:42 |
| fewa | massive increase in living standards | Oct 17 23:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I only saying that Paul is the best of the Republicans, most likely | Oct 17 23:42 |
| fewa | FDR wanted a right to health care amended to the constitution | Oct 17 23:42 |
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| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, well, yes, i see Paul, along with former Arlen specter | Oct 17 23:43 |
| fewa | as the few consistant and principaled conservatives | Oct 17 23:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but I agree that health care is necessary | Oct 17 23:43 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, what will do when you get sick? | Oct 17 23:43 |
| fewa | and you have no money? | Oct 17 23:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | die | Oct 17 23:43 |
| fewa | yes | Oct 17 23:43 |
| fewa | you proove Grayson's point | Oct 17 23:43 |
| fewa | Dont get sick | Oct 17 23:44 |
| fewa | and if you get sick... | Oct 17 23:44 |
| yuhong_ | I still remember the Mackey/Whole Foods boycott that was exactly about this., | Oct 17 23:44 |
| fewa | die quickly | Oct 17 23:44 |
| fewa | every other developed country provides health care | Oct 17 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | best you can do without health care, is to go to Mexico, health and dental care there is very cheap compared to what we have | Oct 17 23:44 |
| fewa | and they do it at _immensely_ lower costs, with better outcome | Oct 17 23:44 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, same in canada, germany, UK, France | Oct 17 23:44 |
| fewa | and you dont have to travel | Oct 17 23:44 |
| fewa | and you _pay less_ | Oct 17 23:45 |
| yuhong_ | I still remember the Mackey/Whole Foods boycott that was exactly about health care and insurance companies. | Oct 17 23:45 |
| fewa | people are not looking at that | Oct 17 23:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lots less | Oct 17 23:45 |
| fewa | they pay less!!! | Oct 17 23:45 |
| fewa | the market is inefficient | Oct 17 23:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its not a free market for a long long time | Oct 17 23:45 |
| fewa | adminitrative overhead alone for the private pay or die system in the US is $200 billion | Oct 17 23:45 |
| fewa | also, "small government" is kinda wrong | Oct 17 23:46 |
| fewa | the big corps are governments | Oct 17 23:46 |
| yuhong_ | It was so ridicoulous that it led to a formal "buycott". | Oct 17 23:46 |
| fewa | they are tyrannical governments | Oct 17 23:46 |
| yuhong_ | I know. | Oct 17 23:46 |
| yuhong_ | And many of the ones that are effectively governments are horrible. | Oct 17 23:46 |
| fewa | What we need in the US is a new deal | Oct 17 23:47 |
| fewa | medicare has 4% overhead | Oct 17 23:47 |
| fewa | and doctors never have to worry about getting paid | Oct 17 23:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CentOS: Best Server and Also Free of Charge http://bit.ly/4qa7M9 | Oct 17 23:47 | |
| oiaohm | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix Open source Nvidia driver is getting there slowly. | Oct 17 23:47 |
| phIRCe | Title: nouveau Wiki - FeatureMatrix .::. Size~: 26.72 KB | Oct 17 23:47 |
| fewa | they dont have to spend lots of money and time billion a gazillion of health insurers that complicate paperwork as much as possible | Oct 17 23:48 |
| phIRCe | Title: Oracle and Novell Linux: Caught between a Red Hat and a CentOS | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 123.78 KB | Oct 17 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | do not worry about doctors pay, they make a lot of money | Oct 17 23:48 |
| fewa | ^^^ | Oct 17 23:48 |
| fewa | doctors often do not get paid from private inurers | Oct 17 23:48 |
| fewa | Insurance companies make money not providing health coverage | Oct 17 23:48 |
| fewa | the system is flawed, and it was designed to be flawed | Oct 17 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | of course | Oct 17 23:48 |
| fewa | by Reagen | Oct 17 23:48 |
| fewa | its in Sicko | Oct 17 23:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Samba 's Allison Truly Wakes People up Regarding the #Mono Trap http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28570/1090/ | Oct 17 23:48 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | before then | Oct 17 23:48 |
| fewa | but he perfected large company control over it | Oct 17 23:49 |
| fewa | before that it was decentralized | Oct 17 23:49 |
| fewa | oiaohm, yeah i used it, except for 3D it is much better than "nv" | Oct 17 23:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Linux Server Matures, #SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 Gets SP3 http://ur1.ca/djq3 http://ur1.ca/dtxz | Oct 17 23:50 | |
| fewa | The _only_ solution for health care in this country is a single payer system | Oct 17 23:50 |
| phIRCe | Title: Ubuntu Linux Server Simplifies the Cloud - Linux and Unix .::. Size~: 85 KB | Oct 17 23:51 |
| phIRCe | Title: Novell pushes SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 SP3 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 24.68 KB | Oct 17 23:51 |
| fewa | the car companies see that, manufacturing companies see that | Oct 17 23:51 |
| fewa | they go to Canada, cause health care is cheaper | Oct 17 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the private insurance companies must be broken out of the market for health care to work | Oct 17 23:51 |
| fewa | if you want industry in the US you need a single payer system | Oct 17 23:51 |
| fewa | you need to get private insurers out of the market of health care | Oct 17 23:51 |
| fewa | they don't provide anything | Oct 17 23:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 17 23:52 |
| fewa | not a single checkup | Oct 17 23:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they provide overhead | Oct 17 23:52 |
| fewa | We need another new deal | Oct 17 23:52 |
| fewa | another CCC | Oct 17 23:52 |
| fewa | another WPA | Oct 17 23:52 |
| fewa | more Boniville power Administrations, Public energy programs, (new deal was dams) strem restoration | Oct 17 23:53 |
| fewa | levees | Oct 17 23:53 |
| fewa | bridges | Oct 17 23:53 |
| fewa | etc, etc | Oct 17 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Chips_B_Malroy: private insurance has it place. USA system has it badly stuffed up. | Oct 17 23:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, the TVA was actually one of the best things FDR did | Oct 17 23:53 |
| fewa | and the BPA which is bigger | Oct 17 23:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glyn Moody Exposes Self-serving Scams in The #GatesFoundation http://ur1.ca/dptk #ip #Rockefeller | Oct 17 23:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Gates' gimmick of becoming a philantropist repeats the Rockefeller scam almost one to one a century later." http://ur1.ca/dty6 | Oct 17 23:53 | |
| fewa | but somehow never gets mentioned | Oct 17 23:53 |
| phIRCe | Title: open...: Gates Gives $300 million - but with a Catch .::. Size~: 105.58 KB | Oct 17 23:53 |
| phIRCe | Title: Dark cloud over good works of Ga .::. Size~: 6.89 KB | Oct 17 23:54 |
| fewa | Grand Coolee damn | Oct 17 23:54 |
| fewa | also Garbanes-Oxley | Oct 17 23:54 |
| fewa | which Clinton repealed! | Oct 17 23:54 |
| fewa | what a democrat :( | Oct 17 23:54 |
| fewa | thats one of the big things that led to the financial meltdown | Oct 17 23:54 |
| fewa | it prevent banks from gambling | Oct 17 23:55 |
| fewa | by seperating banks from investment firms | Oct 17 23:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | North American Trade Agreement was Clintion's biggest failure | Oct 17 23:55 |
| fewa | also that | Oct 17 23:55 |
| fewa | this is a government of the people | Oct 17 23:55 |
| fewa | *is not | Oct 17 23:55 |
| fewa | NAFTA was widely against public opinion | Oct 17 23:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Monica was best thing Clinton ever did. (sorry, I had to use that joke) | Oct 17 23:55 |
| fewa | also, out of " North American Trade Agreement", only the words "North American" are accurate | Oct 17 23:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Incompetence Leads to Critical Flaws, by Admission http://ur1.ca/dtyc | Oct 17 23:56 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Programmer slip-up produces critical bug, Microsoft admits .::. Size~: 136.07 KB | Oct 17 23:56 |
| fewa | read adam smith | Oct 17 23:56 |
| fewa | a free market cannot exist without free movement of labor | Oct 17 23:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but you cannot compete with someone in China making 25 cents an hour. Its why manufacturing jobs here died | Oct 17 23:58 |
| fewa | Chips_B_Malroy, yes, but it is not emperical | Oct 17 23:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Gives Apple's Proprietary Software Precedence Over #FOSS http://ur1.ca/dtyg | Oct 17 23:58 | |
| fewa | Its a labor inequality | Oct 17 23:58 |
| phIRCe | Title: Microsoft Lets Safari Beat FireFox in Europe, FireFox Furious .::. Size~: 68.27 KB | Oct 17 23:58 |
| fewa | China is an opressive government | Oct 17 23:59 |
| fewa | they have no environmental regulation | Oct 17 23:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even the auto companies used more and more parts made overseas, and robotic assembly lines with fewer human workers | Oct 17 23:59 |
| fewa | they are building coal power plants and creating a massive environmental crisis | Oct 17 23:59 |
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