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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb New Blog Post - I Quit Smoking Two Years Ago Today | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yfdpbq9 > well done! | Nov 01 00:09 | |
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| schestowitz | Check this out: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6896049.ece So basically, people who share a house too can lose their connection cause the 'other person' was accused of 'stealing'. So one can lose a job cause of a neighbour's action and neighbour can take laptop to Internet cafe | Nov 01 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | This is absurd because they can't even enforce this law. It's like banning water from a person by switching off the taps | Nov 01 00:13 |
| cubezzz | a lot of history shown on the internet is incomplete or biased | Nov 01 00:14 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, check this "portable" out, it's pre-Microsoft to the core :) | Nov 01 00:15 |
| cubezzz | http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5100.html | Nov 01 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* "I feel like I should apologise because Alex Brown is from my home country and was clearly not as impartial a representative of ISO as should be expected." http://homembit.com/2009/10/openxml-what-i-havent-told-yet-about-the-brm.html | Nov 01 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, history is usually judged by "most recent account" | Nov 01 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Like Wikipedia and articles with high pageRank | Nov 01 00:17 |
| schestowitz | The original documentation gets lost | Nov 01 00:17 |
| schestowitz | And the victors get to tell their story | Nov 01 00:17 |
| cubezzz | although google does seem to give presidence to older articles | Nov 01 00:18 |
| cubezzz | er, precedence :) | Nov 01 00:20 |
| cubezzz | but computer history we should at least be able to get that mostly right | Nov 01 00:20 |
| cubezzz | it's not that old | Nov 01 00:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Knock, knock. Where's Waldo? http://ping.fm/Nmaaa Look who's there. Did any chairs fly? | Nov 01 00:22 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, fedora 11 has a good command line dictionary | Nov 01 00:26 |
| cubezzz | finally found one | Nov 01 00:26 |
| schestowitz | UN torture investigator refused entry to Zimbabwe http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/29/zimbabwe-blocks-un-torture-investigator | Nov 01 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Pain Of Torture Can Make Innocent Seem Guilty http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091026152818.htm | Nov 01 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | Also false confessions | Nov 01 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how's the flu? | Nov 01 00:45 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I'll write about the win2k thing, thanks | Nov 01 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I never did get the flu | Nov 01 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | the vaccine must work I guess | Nov 01 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | cause about everyone around me that didn't get it ended up with the flu | Nov 01 00:46 |
| cubezzz | I'm looking at this PDP-8 and.... | Nov 01 00:46 |
| cubezzz | I'm wondering how is the guy going to program on it | Nov 01 00:46 |
| cubezzz | http://www.computerhistory.org/internet_history/full_size_images/pdp-8.jpg | Nov 01 00:46 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What kind of confuses me is that according to Microsoft, breaking their EULA is "illegal", but when they break their side of the agreement it's OK as long as they can say "It would have been too much work to close that critical patch on Windows 2000" | Nov 01 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It would be like me saying "Well, I installed the same copy of Windows on ten computers cause it would have been too much of a strain on my finances to buy 9 more licenses" | Nov 01 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Same defense they're trying, too much of a strain on limited resources, so it's OK to break the agreement | Nov 01 00:50 |
| cubezzz | I have a brilliant solution | Nov 01 00:50 |
| cubezzz | stop using Microsoft products | Nov 01 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Who me??? WOT WOT WOT? | Nov 01 00:54 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 01 00:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Vista 7 gets many bad bits of publicity now | Nov 01 00:55 |
| schestowitz | it's like Vista | Nov 01 00:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApgBvW25xow | Nov 01 01:08 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't know why the conservatives are orgasming over the fact that they may win a seat that's gone to the Republicans in every election since the civil war | Nov 01 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | if a third party candidate does win, it only underscores how deeply fractured the Republicans have become | Nov 01 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | nobody that wasn't aligned with the Democrats or the Republicans has won a federal office since the mid 1800s | Nov 01 01:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/bt_copper_theft/ | Nov 01 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 01 01:10 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure if Republican means the same thing now as it did in the mid 1800s | Nov 01 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | I see the Republicans dying out as the moderates continue to move towards the Democrats | Nov 01 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | and the bat shit crazy far right wing fanatics prop up this "Conservative Party" | Nov 01 01:11 |
| schestowitz | NRA? :-)( | Nov 01 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, It doesn't | Nov 01 01:11 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz, In the 1800s, the Republicans were the social progressives | Nov 01 01:11 |
| schestowitz | social? Ha! | Nov 01 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Progressive? OK, you're kidding me. | Nov 01 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Protectionism maybe | Nov 01 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yes, they favored freeing the slaves and giving them voting rights, etc. | Nov 01 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | the Democrats were trying to keep slavery legal | Nov 01 01:12 |
| schestowitz | PATRIOT, "give us your oil", "we'll regulate those Internetsss" | Nov 01 01:12 |
| cubezzz | you can see how things usually start good, then deteriorate over time | Nov 01 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | meh, jealousy and entitlement of foreigners should not influence our foreign policy | Nov 01 01:13 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox 3.6 Beta startup time have been finally improved ! | Nov 01 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | well, sense of entitlement I should say | Nov 01 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | These third world countries see it like this "You invent it. Now give us some for free. Now give us your money too. We all have AIDS, send free medicine here so the virus can mutate and neutralize the effectiveness of the drugs on your own people." | Nov 01 01:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/yousendit_founded_indicted/ | Nov 01 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC | "By the way, we'll still burn your flag in front of the news media" | Nov 01 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | "But keep sending us all your shit, for free." | Nov 01 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Not for free | Nov 01 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Given minerals and stuff | Nov 01 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Using one's country as an infinite garbage can in exchange for gifts | Nov 01 01:16 |
| _Hicham_ | we ll burn ur flag because u deserve it | Nov 01 01:16 |
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| cubezzz | the world's a funny place | Nov 01 01:16 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: what did the flag do to you? | Nov 01 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | they're like Piranha, they want you to stay put while they eat all the flesh off of you | Nov 01 01:16 |
| schestowitz | It's just fabric :-) | Nov 01 01:16 |
| cubezzz | made in China :) | Nov 01 01:16 |
| _Hicham_ | it is the symbol of tyrannism | Nov 01 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Nice and warm... use it to make shirts :-) :-) | Nov 01 01:16 |
| cubezzz | Our provincial flag, made in China, doh | Nov 01 01:17 |
| cubezzz | can't even make our own flags | Nov 01 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Too expensive | Nov 01 01:17 |
| _Hicham_ | the US flag is the symbol of war | Nov 01 01:17 |
| _Hicham_ | invasion | Nov 01 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | jealousy, _Hicham_ | Nov 01 01:17 |
| _Hicham_ | people humiliation | Nov 01 01:17 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if they really recycle all the stuff I wash for them... | Nov 01 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | plain and simple | Nov 01 01:17 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it... | Nov 01 01:17 |
| schestowitz | To recycle my cans they need to employ British workforce | Nov 01 01:18 |
| cubezzz | and shooting natives, don't forget that part | Nov 01 01:18 |
| _Hicham_ | not jealousy, truth | Nov 01 01:18 |
| schestowitz | It may be cheaper to do extraction of new resources in Africa and import | Nov 01 01:18 |
| schestowitz | So economically, wasting resources may actually make /more/ sense | Nov 01 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, You may use it as an excuse for your jealousy and sense of entitlement | Nov 01 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | but it is not the truth | Nov 01 01:18 |
| _Hicham_ | why would I be jealous ? | Nov 01 01:18 |
| _Hicham_ | and jealous of what ? | Nov 01 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 01 01:19 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's the illusion | Nov 01 01:19 |
| schestowitz | "They hate us coz we have Macdonalds" | Nov 01 01:19 |
| cubezzz | I was going to say they have more Burger Kings :) | Nov 01 01:19 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 01 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, China and India have too many internal problems to keep advancing to the point of beign superpowers | Nov 01 01:19 |
| _Hicham_ | "they hate us because we are on comcast, being helped by microsoft to surf on the net" | Nov 01 01:20 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: more wafers :-) | Nov 01 01:20 |
| schestowitz | !google vista 7 lard | Nov 01 01:20 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Windows 7 released on Question Time to mass protests - News of the ... | http://notnews.today.com/2009/10/22/windows-7-released-on-question-time-to-mass-protests/ | Nov 01 01:20 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Tag "vista" in Board "Maxtor Shared Storage & Central Axis ... | http://forums.seagate.com/stx/tagging/view_tag%3Ftag.text%3Dvista%26tag.message_scope%3Dnode%26board.id%3Dmss | Nov 01 01:20 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Fax & Scan over Bluetooth - Vista Forums | http://www.vistax64.com/vista-print-fax-scan/116578-fax-scan-over-bluetooth.html | Nov 01 01:20 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Eight Ways Windows 7 Could Flop | Technologizer | http://technologizer.com/2009/01/13/eight-ways-windows-7-could-flop/ | Nov 01 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | you may have a few isolated areas that do well, and millions of people committing suicide | Nov 01 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's pretty typical of India | Nov 01 01:20 |
| _Hicham_ | suicide is higher in the US | Nov 01 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | China likes to hide what goes on there | Nov 01 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | fudge their official stats | Nov 01 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | so who knows | Nov 01 01:20 |
| _Hicham_ | the US is the third I think in suicides | Nov 01 01:20 |
| cubezzz | everyone hides the bad stuff | Nov 01 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I doubt that | Nov 01 01:20 |
| cubezzz | and there's a lot of bad stuff | Nov 01 01:21 |
| _Hicham_ | go see the official stats DaemonFC | Nov 01 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate | Nov 01 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | In doubt that too, _Hicham_ | Nov 01 01:21 |
| cubezzz | I can't eat fast food any more | Nov 01 01:21 |
| cubezzz | I actually cook | Nov 01 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Eat it slowly | Nov 01 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, US is 43rd for suicide rate | Nov 01 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 01 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Fast food... SLOWLY :-) | Nov 01 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Canada is 41 | Nov 01 01:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: cold countries | Nov 01 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Like Sweden | Nov 01 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | RUSSIA is 3rd | Nov 01 01:22 |
| schestowitz | No sunlight | Nov 01 01:22 |
| schestowitz | And freezing conditions | Nov 01 01:22 |
| schestowitz | So it does not tell the full story | Nov 01 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | France and Switzerland are higher suicide rates than us | Nov 01 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Swedish suicides are caused by depression, caused by climate | Nov 01 01:23 |
| cubezzz | ok, which country is the worst? | Nov 01 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | New Zealand even | Nov 01 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Lithuania | Nov 01 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Suicide rate in Muslim country is VERY low | Nov 01 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Russia has 32.2 suicides per 100,000 people per year | Nov 01 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | the US has 11.1 per 100,000 | Nov 01 01:24 |
| schestowitz | So _Hicham_ may have a point | Nov 01 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Russia is a cold country | Nov 01 01:24 |
| schestowitz | You have to view that in context | Nov 01 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The Muslims probably fudge it | Nov 01 01:24 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : we don't pray on suicided people | Nov 01 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | most of their countries are dictatorships that lie about such things | Nov 01 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | cover ups | Nov 01 01:24 |
| _Hicham_ | we don't have high suicide rate, be sure about that | Nov 01 01:25 |
| schestowitz | The UK does well | Nov 01 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, There's nothing wrong with suicide | Nov 01 01:25 |
| _Hicham_ | we have very few rare cases | Nov 01 01:25 |
| _Hicham_ | suicide is wrong | Nov 01 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | because your god doesn't exist | Nov 01 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | he is a fabrication, a lie, a fantasy | Nov 01 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | a depraved lie at that | Nov 01 01:25 |
| *schestowitz ducks | Nov 01 01:25 | |
| _Hicham_ | hahahahahaha | Nov 01 01:26 |
| _Hicham_ | poor DaemonFC | Nov 01 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | the lie of saying there is such a god is more evil than anything else there is | Nov 01 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | because your god is the source of most evil | Nov 01 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | [09:20:37] <DaemonFC> _Hicham_, Russia has 32.2 suicides per 100,000 people per year | Nov 01 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes but | Nov 01 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | 31 one of them are just drinking to death | Nov 01 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | you are a wicked, perverted, depraved, unethical, amoral bunch | Nov 01 01:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/swedish_ddos_attacks/ | Nov 01 01:26 |
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| _Hicham_ | wow, all of that ? | Nov 01 01:26 |
| cubezzz | well that's like a slow suicide then | Nov 01 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | and I draw that conclusion by myself without your god | Nov 01 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | based on the crimes you endorse | Nov 01 01:27 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: at least they die happy | Nov 01 01:27 |
| _Hicham_ | what crimes did I do ? | Nov 01 01:27 |
| schestowitz | And groggy... | Nov 01 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | murder for one | Nov 01 01:27 |
| _Hicham_ | have I ever killed someone ? | Nov 01 01:27 |
| _Hicham_ | ask schestowitz ... | Nov 01 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Wholesale approval of murder for "Sharia Law" crimes | Nov 01 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's a crime against humanity | Nov 01 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Classic: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/newsstand/767399-man-nearly-dies-downing-vodka-airport.html | Nov 01 01:28 |
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| _Hicham_ | Sharia doesn't approve murder | Nov 01 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | dragging women and children into the street and murdering them | Nov 01 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | your Sharia Law says to do that for soem pretty stupid shit | Nov 01 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | that is not Sharia | Nov 01 01:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're insane | Nov 01 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | hah, how do u know ? | Nov 01 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | u don't even know arabic ... | Nov 01 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahahaha | Nov 01 01:28 |
| schestowitz | He watches Faux | Nov 01 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Why would I want to? | Nov 01 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch knows everything :-) | Nov 01 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | ur really ignorant | Nov 01 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | Let them stay in the stone age | Nov 01 01:29 |
| cubezzz | I don't know anything about Sharia Law | Nov 01 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | ignorance | Nov 01 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | killing women and children, like the cowards they are | Nov 01 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | for invented "moral crimes" | Nov 01 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | but figure out, not all americans are like u | Nov 01 01:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: exaggerated claims | Nov 01 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | people in the gov are more intelligent | Nov 01 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Amplified | Nov 01 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | not like u | Nov 01 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | people who like to study | Nov 01 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | why would I want to learn the language of a society that is so violent and decadent and stuck in the past? | Nov 01 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | and understand | Nov 01 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Like the mercenaries committed no atrocities | Nov 01 01:30 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, go tell harvard why they teach it | Nov 01 01:30 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, the West likes to bring out and exaggerate bad incidents for propaganda | Nov 01 01:30 |
| cubezzz | It's good to learn other languages | Nov 01 01:30 |
| schestowitz | So if Nadia gets shot in Iran they will portray this as "iran shoots women' | Nov 01 01:30 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC belongs to the lowest part of american society | Nov 01 01:30 |
| _Hicham_ | too bad that he doesn't want to go up | Nov 01 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They murder gays and lesbians | Nov 01 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | without trial even | Nov 01 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe a show trial | Nov 01 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | and be sublime like a lot of brilliant people there | Nov 01 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | they just hang them or behead them in public | Nov 01 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a neverending holocaust wherever the Muslims are in charge | Nov 01 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | where ? | Nov 01 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | of anyone they dislike | Nov 01 01:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: watch Alexander the Great | Nov 01 01:32 |
| _Hicham_ | we don't hang gays and lesbians in her | Nov 01 01:32 |
| schestowitz | If you want to know massacres | Nov 01 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Among other incidents | Nov 01 01:32 |
| schestowitz | It goes both ways | Nov 01 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.rightsidenews.com/culture-wars-archives/homosexuals-get-death-penalty-in-iran.html | Nov 01 01:32 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, iran again | Nov 01 01:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR_ovBbJfx4&feature=PlayList&p=78436A62F71B1A2F&index=11 | Nov 01 01:32 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran#Male_homosexuality | Nov 01 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | I'm still watching this (it's VERY long) | Nov 01 01:32 |
| _Hicham_ | iran is not Sharia | Nov 01 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/2005july/2101.htm | Nov 01 01:33 |
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| _Hicham_ | like I am not saying that the whole US is not as stupid as DaemonFC | Nov 01 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's what goes on in an Islamic country | Nov 01 01:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: educate yourself | Nov 01 01:33 |
| schestowitz | You're too reliant on US perspective | Nov 01 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | they murder people because those people have no rights | Nov 01 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | not even a right to a real trial | Nov 01 01:33 |
| _Hicham_ | if the US was as stupid as DaemonFC, it would have disappeared ages ago | Nov 01 01:33 |
| schestowitz | It's like those who live outside Europe, including the US and Israel, who are taught all muslims are "Animals" or something like that | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Wars of minds and conquests | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Clash of civilisation | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Watch 1984 | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | That's how it works | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Learn from history | Nov 01 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, " Under the Iranian penal code, girls as young as nine and boys as young as 15 can be hanged." | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Always the same pattern | Nov 01 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | How is that civilized? | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | "We're the Good Guys!" | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Kill the "barbarians" | Nov 01 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | no, answer me | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | The US called it "barbarism" | Nov 01 01:34 |
| schestowitz | In the early 20th century | Nov 01 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | How is it civilized to hang 9 year olds? | Nov 01 01:35 |
| schestowitz | So did the Greek | Nov 01 01:35 |
| schestowitz | "Culture" vs "Barbarism" | Nov 01 01:35 |
| schestowitz | It's a repeating pattern | Nov 01 01:35 |
| MinceR | more like barbarism vs. barbarism | Nov 01 01:35 |
| _Hicham_ | so now he admits that it "Iran's Penal Code" | Nov 01 01:35 |
| _Hicham_ | at least | Nov 01 01:35 |
| _Hicham_ | he is contradicting himself | Nov 01 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, It seems to be the normal way of thinking that Islam teaches | Nov 01 01:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: many years ago kids that age were marrying | Nov 01 01:35 |
| schestowitz | And today you'd chide them | Nov 01 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | cause Islamic countries end up being on a scale of "Evil" to "Sadistically Evil" | Nov 01 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Also, cannibalism used to exist | Nov 01 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Either of corpses or live victims | Nov 01 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | so how do you explain why that happens if it's not a corruption of Islam itself? | Nov 01 01:36 |
| schestowitz | That is also immoral based on today's standards | Nov 01 01:36 |
| schestowitz | US law is not the Gold Standard | Nov 01 01:36 |
| _Hicham_ | corruption ? | Nov 01 01:37 |
| _Hicham_ | huh | Nov 01 01:37 |
| schestowitz | It's possible that any meat of one's diet will be seen as s crime one day | Nov 01 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | Islam is fundamentally corrupt | Nov 01 01:37 |
| schestowitz | How about that for a thought? | Nov 01 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | but so are a lot of religions | Nov 01 01:37 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : how much education did DaemonFC have, in ur opinion ? | Nov 01 01:37 |
| schestowitz | He hears one side | Nov 01 01:37 |
| schestowitz | That one that puts food on his table | Nov 01 01:38 |
| schestowitz | It's natural | Nov 01 01:38 |
| _Hicham_ | I feel really bad for him | Nov 01 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Cause if I went and asked the Muslims, they'd murder me before I asked question #1 | Nov 01 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Like those who justified colonialism and slavery by shutting their ears | Nov 01 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | so I know all I need to know about them | Nov 01 01:38 |
| schestowitz | It makes it easier to live with oneself | Nov 01 01:38 |
| _Hicham_ | illetrate people in the US who claims to be the most civilized in the world | Nov 01 01:38 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u remember the most intelligent people video ? | Nov 01 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Nov 01 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Which one/s? | Nov 01 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | notice how _Hicham_ NEVER once disavows the way Islam compels the wholesale murder of gay people? | Nov 01 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Wholesale? | Nov 01 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Example? | Nov 01 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | he never argues that he doesn't endorse it, for the matter | Nov 01 01:39 |
| schestowitz | 2 people | Nov 01 01:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: uh, no. | Nov 01 01:39 |
| schestowitz | That's not wholesale | Nov 01 01:39 |
| _Hicham_ | because it is not Islam | Nov 01 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Mind you, the Nazis did it too | Nov 01 01:39 |
| _Hicham_ | simply | Nov 01 01:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Islam does not allow you to kill people | Nov 01 01:39 |
| _Hicham_ | those are local laws | Nov 01 01:39 |
| schestowitz | The "superior race" | Nov 01 01:39 |
| schestowitz | The Nazis were worse than Iran in that regard | Nov 01 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: now, what morons do in the middle east, thats their business, but dont start claiming its Islam that told them to do it | Nov 01 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Genocide against gay people,gypsies, Jews | Nov 01 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Wrong. Muslims don't kill other Muslims. In practice, they even kill other Muslims if they can wiggle around to find an excuse to call them "no longer Muslim" | Nov 01 01:40 |
| schestowitz | So to paint just Islams as a problem is hypocrisy, IMHO | Nov 01 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | True Muslims don't kill any children of God. | Nov 01 01:40 |
| schestowitz | *ISlam | Nov 01 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | so they even fall on each other eventually | Nov 01 01:40 |
| _Hicham_ | i give an example of how gay people live in Morocco, but he doesn't want to hear | Nov 01 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | just ban DaemonFC, hes getting on my nerves again | Nov 01 01:41 |
| _Hicham_ | we do have gays in here, they live like anybody else | Nov 01 01:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: according to the bible (Christian-Judeau) killing gay people is also the law | Nov 01 01:41 |
| schestowitz | How about that | Nov 01 01:41 |
| schestowitz | ? | Nov 01 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz posted a series of videos highlighting the fact that Muslims find ways to kill each other by labeling them as "no longer Muslim" | Nov 01 01:41 |
| _Hicham_ | they can do what they want, to a certain extent | Nov 01 01:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: except killing people is wrong according to christians and jews. | Nov 01 01:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | read the tend commandments | Nov 01 01:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | *ten | Nov 01 01:41 |
| cubezzz | reference please | Nov 01 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What about THou Shalt Not Kill? | Nov 01 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | oops, there's a contradiction | Nov 01 01:42 |
| MinceR | read whatever part of your holy books happens to coincide with your current point | Nov 01 01:42 |
| MinceR | you'll find something for every view :> | Nov 01 01:42 |
| _Hicham_ | we don't kill anyone, remember that | Nov 01 01:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC seems to confuse the likes of Atta and the Brotherhood with Islams | Nov 01 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I don't have any holy books, I don't pray to anything | Nov 01 01:42 |
| _Hicham_ | we are not like the US | Nov 01 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Those who said that allies of the US were "no longer Muslims" and thus can be killed | Nov 01 01:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you have a lot of education to do | Nov 01 01:42 |
| _Hicham_ | who takes pleasure in executing people | Nov 01 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | It frees up my weekend | Nov 01 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | they plenty of ways for executing | Nov 01 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | electric chair | Nov 01 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | lethal injection | Nov 01 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | gaz chamber | Nov 01 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | fucking to death | Nov 01 01:43 |
| MinceR | huh? | Nov 01 01:43 |
| _Hicham_ | etc etc ... | Nov 01 01:43 |
| MinceR | there are executions by fucking to death? | Nov 01 01:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you distort | Nov 01 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Shame on you | Nov 01 01:43 |
| MinceR | in the USA? | Nov 01 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, It's pretty much lethal injection in every state, and only reserved for the most serious crimes | Nov 01 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | you know, crimes, those thigns that have victims | Nov 01 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | like as in, not homosexuality | Nov 01 01:44 |
| _Hicham_ | Mince : that what happened in Iraq | Nov 01 01:44 |
| schestowitz | It's Egypt that trialled and executed those who said "no longer Muslim" and "Can be killed" | Nov 01 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Those radicals were rejected by Muslim society | Nov 01 01:44 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : I have a challenge for u to do in the US | Nov 01 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Cause the other Muslims knew that they might very well be next | Nov 01 01:44 |
| schestowitz | No | Nov 01 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | the instinct to save your own ass doesn't make you a good person, schestowitz | Nov 01 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's immoral | Nov 01 01:45 |
| _Hicham_ | if u really have balls and think u live in a country of freedom | Nov 01 01:45 |
| _Hicham_ | but I don't think u can do it | Nov 01 01:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC = Daemonise you | Nov 01 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Nobody accused those Muslims of not having a survival instinct | Nov 01 01:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you paint yourself badly | Nov 01 01:46 |
| _Hicham_ | look how he is chickening | Nov 01 01:46 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahaha | Nov 01 01:46 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_ is actually exceedingluy polite while you curse | Nov 01 01:46 |
| schestowitz | And the USian army is not innocent, either | Nov 01 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Rememember how many Iraqi civilians were killed | Nov 01 01:46 |
| _Hicham_ | he is not up for a simple challenge | Nov 01 01:46 |
| schestowitz | By the invading force | Nov 01 01:46 |
| _Hicham_ | wow, all of that fear ? | Nov 01 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_ would probably disapprove of radical death squads that would kill him next when they determined that he was not Muslim enough to live | Nov 01 01:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiUDKI0ptyk | Nov 01 01:46 |
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| DaemonFC | that's why those societies are permanently unstable and fileld with internal violence | Nov 01 01:47 |
| schestowitz | And the US portrays it as though the invading force suffering loses is the victim | Nov 01 01:47 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahahahahaha | Nov 01 01:47 |
| schestowitz | WHen in fact nobody invited them | Nov 01 01:47 |
| schestowitz | See the video above | Nov 01 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Saddam=9/11, wmod... all fabrications, intended from the start to be fabrications | Nov 01 01:47 |
| schestowitz | And CIA agents told what evidence to produce | Nov 01 01:48 |
| schestowitz | The CIA agents blew the whistle already | Nov 01 01:48 |
| _Hicham_ | 9/11 was planned | Nov 01 01:48 |
| _Hicham_ | right after there was afghanistan | Nov 01 01:48 |
| _Hicham_ | and then iraq | Nov 01 01:48 |
| _Hicham_ | right next, there is Iran | Nov 01 01:48 |
| _Hicham_ | which country is left ? | Nov 01 01:48 |
| schestowitz | It wasn't planed (9/11) | Nov 01 01:48 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : it is | Nov 01 01:48 |
| schestowitz | But Iran is still a target | Nov 01 01:48 |
| schestowitz | It almost happened some years ago | Nov 01 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a long term conspiracy | Nov 01 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Public backlash prevented it | Nov 01 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they needed some major panic to buy public support | Nov 01 01:49 |
| schestowitz | As was dine before ww1/2 | Nov 01 01:49 |
| schestowitz | *doen | Nov 01 01:49 |
| schestowitz | *done | Nov 01 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The Iranians probably have a high suicide rate | Nov 01 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | I would probably kill myself if I had to live in those conditions | Nov 01 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | they have a lot of IV drug use, spreading HIV at that | Nov 01 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | they don't like to fess up to that | Nov 01 01:50 |
| _Hicham_ | did anybody of the jews who were working at the WTC die in 9/11 ? | Nov 01 01:50 |
| _Hicham_ | answer that ... | Nov 01 01:50 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/12/13/keith-on-george/ | Nov 01 01:50 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: many did die | Nov 01 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Get the facts right | Nov 01 01:51 |
| schestowitz | But that's not the point | Nov 01 01:51 |
| schestowitz | Some say negligence was cause | Nov 01 01:51 |
| schestowitz | As though there was apathy | Nov 01 01:51 |
| schestowitz | That's a theory that's not as hard to embrace, but it still lacks evidence | Nov 01 01:51 |
| _Hicham_ | evidence will come, after 50 years | Nov 01 01:52 |
| _Hicham_ | of course | Nov 01 01:52 |
| schestowitz | THe reports, which were mocked by those involved in them, could obviously see that the issue was maybe preventable at an earlier stage, with intelligence | Nov 01 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I think they were labeled a "commission" | Nov 01 01:52 |
| _Hicham_ | intelligence made that possible | Nov 01 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Basically looking at what was done to prevent it too | Nov 01 01:52 |
| _Hicham_ | they did it on purpose | Nov 01 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Now there's more "proper" surveillance | Nov 01 01:52 |
| schestowitz | In the UK also | Nov 01 01:52 |
| schestowitz | Including many false alarms | Nov 01 01:53 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: doesn't matter | Nov 01 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | the next country after Iran, which one do u think ? | Nov 01 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Fact is, Obama is less likely to be bullish on invading Iran | Nov 01 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | huh ? | Nov 01 01:53 |
| schestowitz | He can negotiate better | Nov 01 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some nutter will take house in 2012, let's hope not | Nov 01 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | as u always say, the US isn't directed by the US | Nov 01 01:53 |
| schestowitz | It is | Nov 01 01:54 |
| schestowitz | The richer elites though | Nov 01 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Those who profit from policies | Nov 01 01:54 |
| _Hicham_ | *by the president | Nov 01 01:54 |
| MinceR | In Soviet Russia, government controls business! | Nov 01 01:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/30/nasa_to_irradiate_monkeys/ | Nov 01 01:55 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : which monkeys ? mono ones ? | Nov 01 01:56 |
| _Hicham_ | here is a video which shows people like DaemonFC : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1twC_3a5Ubw | Nov 01 01:56 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: in northern Russia, sees Sarah Palin | Nov 01 01:56 |
| MinceR | (in the USA, it's the other way around.) | Nov 01 01:56 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC, plz have the politeness of seeing urself in this video :) | Nov 01 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, No, I see paid actors | Nov 01 01:57 |
| _Hicham_ | those are normal people like u | Nov 01 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | no, they aren't | Nov 01 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | foreign governments make these as propaganda videos | Nov 01 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 01 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's cheap to do and makes their own people feel superior | Nov 01 01:58 |
| schestowitz | I love this video | Nov 01 01:58 |
| schestowitz | But | Nov 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | It's selective | Nov 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | They ask the same questions | Nov 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | And then show just the embarrassing parts from each | Nov 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | it's like Jay Walking (Tonight Show) | Nov 01 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Lots of footage in one night, then edited down to a few minutes for entertainment purposes | Nov 01 02:00 |
| _goblin | Is DaemonFC showing his racism again? | Nov 01 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin, Religion isn't a race, it's a mental illness | Nov 01 02:02 |
| _goblin | Ive had him on ignore since his last rant... | Nov 01 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | I wish they'd develop a pill for it, but the closest thing I canthink of would be a strong anti-psychotic and a high dose of anti-depressants | Nov 01 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | religious people tend to be psychotic and depressed and looking to fit in | Nov 01 02:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: some people say the same thing about sexual orientation | Nov 01 02:03 |
| schestowitz | So don't be a hypocrite | Nov 01 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Some people say? | Nov 01 02:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm an atheist, but I don't describe religious people as Satans | Nov 01 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYA9ufivbDw | Nov 01 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | By your logic, it's also acceptable for homophobes to treat you like "a mental case" | Nov 01 02:04 |
| schestowitz | So you're being a hypocrite | Nov 01 02:04 |
| schestowitz | And doing a disservice, IMHO | Nov 01 02:04 |
| schestowitz | No, I meant "some people say" | Nov 01 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Like some people who are religious (not me) | Nov 01 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You can't tell me you look at people who believe Halloween candy is infected with "time released demons" and not think they're all there | Nov 01 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | *not all there | Nov 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you start a flamewar over something which leads nowhere | Nov 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | You'd just be shouting two-way, calling each other names | Nov 01 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | of course, schestowitz, those people are power hungry, and have to say crazier stories every time you go there to rile you up | Nov 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Halloween is marked by secular folks too | Nov 01 02:07 |
| schestowitz | It's a tradition thing | Nov 01 02:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't believe in the spiritual part of it | Nov 01 02:07 |
| schestowitz | But it's a cultural unifier | Nov 01 02:07 |
| schestowitz | ANd books or rules are analogous to secular laws | Nov 01 02:07 |
| schestowitz | [02:06] <DaemonFC> of course, schestowitz, those people are power hungry, and have to say crazier stories every time you go there to rile you up | Nov 01 02:08 |
| schestowitz | You mean, like your politicians? | Nov 01 02:08 |
| schestowitz | "Weapons of mass destruction..." | Nov 01 02:08 |
| schestowitz | "Could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.." | Nov 01 02:08 |
| schestowitz | "We fight evil" | Nov 01 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, To be an effective Christian preacher, you have to get people "energized", hate is an easy thing to encourage, hate against those "insert group here" who are "insert grievances" to you is the best way to make people fearful, fearful people come to depend on you because they're looking for protection | Nov 01 02:08 |
| schestowitz | "I'm a mission for God...." [Bush said s/t along those lines] | Nov 01 02:09 |
| schestowitz | And he too was "power-hungry" | Nov 01 02:09 |
| cubezzz | Blues Brothers :) | Nov 01 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | so these hateful/fearful people will also go and lash out irrationally against innocent people who mean them no harm | Nov 01 02:09 |
| schestowitz | [02:08] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, To be an effective Christian preacher, you have to get people "energized", hate is an easy thing to encourage, hate against those "insert group here" who are "insert grievances" to you is the best way to make people fearful, fearful people come to depend on you because they're looking for protection | Nov 01 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | this leads to all kinds of crimes | Nov 01 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, like leaders everywhere | Nov 01 02:09 |
| schestowitz | It's not a religious issue | Nov 01 02:09 |
| schestowitz | It's a case of being a prick | Nov 01 02:09 |
| schestowitz | [02:09] <DaemonFC> so these hateful/fearful people will also go and lash out irrationally against innocent people who mean them no harm\ | Nov 01 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes, the blacks too were ones scapegoat | Nov 01 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Turning the population vs itself, in distract the population | Nov 01 02:10 |
| _Hicham_ | Fox again | Nov 01 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Fighting inner imaginary enemies or external ones to avoid conflict with local authority, which is only seen as a necessary protector | Nov 01 02:11 |
| _Hicham_ | religious people are not depressed | Nov 01 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 01 02:11 |
| _Hicham_ | religious people are not violent | Nov 01 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Confusing wealth and religious | Nov 01 02:11 |
| schestowitz | *religion | Nov 01 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, A bible verse that the Christians ignore or selectively interpret (one of many) http://bible.cc/mark/3-25.htm | Nov 01 02:11 |
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| schestowitz | As though they are intertwined | Nov 01 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | "If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand." | Nov 01 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | there's truth in most religions, if there wasn't, they'd lose their appeal | Nov 01 02:12 |
| _Hicham_ | luckily the US is having people smarter than DaemonFC | Nov 01 02:12 |
| schestowitz | There's also truth in other books | Nov 01 02:12 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC reaches the truth when he is high on his drungs | Nov 01 02:13 |
| _Hicham_ | *drugs | Nov 01 02:13 |
| _Hicham_ | he is a confirmed meth addict | Nov 01 02:13 |
| _Hicham_ | because he can't buy coc or heroine | Nov 01 02:13 |
| _Hicham_ | so he stays just on meth, and that because it is also the trend | Nov 01 02:14 |
| _Hicham_ | "come on bob, let's take some meth, it will take right to the truth" | Nov 01 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | I don't use illegal drugs | Nov 01 02:15 |
| schestowitz | !google nutt sacked | Nov 01 02:16 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Government drug adviser David Nutt sacked | Politics | guardian.co.uk | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-adviser-david-nutt-sacked | Nov 01 02:16 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Sacked drugs adviser accuses Gordon Brown of meddling in cannabis ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/31/david-nutt-drugs-adviser-sacked | Nov 01 02:16 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Sacked drugs expert, Professor David Nutt, hits out at 'Luddite ... | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6897905.ece | Nov 01 02:16 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - UK: Professor Nutt sacked | http://www.dosenation.com/listing.php%3Fsmlid%3D6766 | Nov 01 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | the strongest drug you'll probably find in my apartment is a bottle of Excedrin, and if you come in here, you're going to need a lot more than that | Nov 01 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, tell me you didn't smirk when thinking about that | Nov 01 02:16 |
| _Hicham_ | why would I need those drugs ? | Nov 01 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | "Nutt sacked" | Nov 01 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | that sounds painful | Nov 01 02:16 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC can feel pain, wow, he is human | Nov 01 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I felt a lot of pain this last month | Nov 01 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | why ? | Nov 01 02:18 |
| _Hicham_ | were u sick ? | Nov 01 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | muscle/nerve damage | Nov 01 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | most of it is healed, the rest should in time | Nov 01 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | I can still move the wrong way and end up in a hell of a lot of pain | Nov 01 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's not constant though | Nov 01 02:19 |
| _Hicham_ | how did this happen ? | Nov 01 02:20 |
| _Hicham_ | emotional shock ? | Nov 01 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | seizures. When I woke up, the damage was done | Nov 01 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | hell if I know how it all happened | Nov 01 02:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/U.S.-Defense-Department-Promotes-Open-Source | Nov 01 02:21 |
| _Hicham_ | must be one of those violent video games that u often play | Nov 01 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, No, those are fun | Nov 01 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | especially headshots | Nov 01 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | besides, if that was it, this would have happened years ago | Nov 01 02:22 |
| _Hicham_ | so what did the doctor say to u ? what was the seizures' cause ? | Nov 01 02:22 |
| schestowitz | :-o DaemonFC is into "headshots" | Nov 01 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Violent | Nov 01 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Most are never explained. If they can tell you why it happened, it's really not good. | Nov 01 02:23 |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Nov 01 02:23 | |
| _Hicham_ | u must know | Nov 01 02:23 |
| _Hicham_ | they happened for a reason | Nov 01 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | They found no brain tumors and electrical activity was normal | Nov 01 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the brain plays Russian roulette | Nov 01 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | they don't know, I don't know | Nov 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | oh well | Nov 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | maybe God could tell me if he wasn't always absent, yes? | Nov 01 02:24 |
| schestowitz | As they say on TV, "until the next time......." | Nov 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | or hell me perhaps | Nov 01 02:24 |
| _Hicham_ | absent ? | Nov 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | *heal | Nov 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | or hell | Nov 01 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | he's God, he could send me to hell | Nov 01 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | or heal me | Nov 01 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 01 02:25 |
| schestowitz | God loves you | Nov 01 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Yes, conspicuously absent | Nov 01 02:25 |
| _Hicham_ | u send urself to whatever place u want | Nov 01 02:25 |
| schestowitz | [BUT...] | Nov 01 02:25 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Adobe pretends to be relevant http://ur1.ca/evsd | Nov 01 02:25 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Proof only #virgins play #CounterStrike http://ur1.ca/evsi | Nov 01 02:25 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Drunk #Ewoks, #GeorgeLucas must be proud http://ur1.ca/evsm #starwars | Nov 01 02:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | never around when you need him, that's God | Nov 01 02:25 |
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| DaemonFC | that Devil guy though, man | Nov 01 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, he's ALWAYS right there | Nov 01 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 01 02:25 |
| _Hicham_ | never around when u need him ? | Nov 01 02:25 |
| _Hicham_ | how do u know ? | Nov 01 02:25 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/adobe-pushes-flash-and-pdf-for-open-government-misses-irony.ars | Nov 01 02:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Adobe pushes Flash and PDF for open government, misses irony - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 45.3 KB | Nov 01 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 01 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, well, you know, they were going to make God into a comic book hero, but they figured that since he's never there to stop horrible disasters from killing or maiming people, they decided to go with Superman | Nov 01 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | for real | Nov 01 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Old news by now | Nov 01 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 01 02:26 |
| schestowitz | [02:25] <DaemonFC> never around when you need him, that's God | Nov 01 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Be nice. He's a busy man (or woman) | Nov 01 02:27 |
| _Hicham_ | how do know that god is not there ? | Nov 01 02:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.80retro.co.uk/images/bats/logo.jpg | Nov 01 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I don't know | Nov 01 02:28 |
| schestowitz | I don't know that such a thing exists, either | Nov 01 02:28 |
| _Hicham_ | I am asking DaemonFC | Nov 01 02:28 |
| schestowitz | I await evidence of existence | Nov 01 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, because the whole world reeks | Nov 01 02:28 |
| schestowitz | I could otherwise assume the existence of infinitely many things | Nov 01 02:29 |
| _Hicham_ | so u want the world to be perfect ? | Nov 01 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | if I was designing it and I had omnipotence and unlimited power and stuff, it would look like something a "God" built | Nov 01 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't just be sadistic and give people poverty and famine and disease and death. | Nov 01 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Why people? | Nov 01 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | There wouldn't be frail bodies that failed, and became weak or old. | Nov 01 02:30 |
| schestowitz | What makes people so special? What about animals? | Nov 01 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Ever seen what happens to cute zebras int he Savana? | Nov 01 02:30 |
| schestowitz | *in the Savannah | Nov 01 02:30 |
| _Hicham_ | because humans do have minds | Nov 01 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, This world looks more like something that "Satan" would have constructed | Nov 01 02:31 |
| _Hicham_ | animals are not intelligent | Nov 01 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, from the beginning | Nov 01 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Well, always kill something to live | Nov 01 02:31 |
| _Hicham_ | Satan is free to do what he wants | Nov 01 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Whether it's bacteria or plants with DNA similar to ours or even animals | Nov 01 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | if there was a Satan, and he could design a world to be sadistic and evil and painful and horrible and depressing, this is what you would get from the start | Nov 01 02:31 |
| schestowitz | So during your lifetime you will slaughter billions of billions of billions of organisms | Nov 01 02:32 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, pessimistic vision | Nov 01 02:32 |
| _Hicham_ | the world in not that bad at all | Nov 01 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Many of those organisms will never manage to make offsprings | Nov 01 02:32 |
| schestowitz | They will die as babies even | Nov 01 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I see people continuing to kill people, over outdated superstitious crap | Nov 01 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Cells that never replicated | Nov 01 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's what really bothers me | Nov 01 02:32 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : nice that u started talking in biology | Nov 01 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 01 02:33 |
| schestowitz | We are biology | Nov 01 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Metabolising sunlight | Nov 01 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Dust to dust, back to life in other forms | Nov 01 02:33 |
| schestowitz | That's biology | Nov 01 02:33 |
| schestowitz | However demeaning to the sacredness of life | Nov 01 02:33 |
| _Hicham_ | reality shows that nature lives in perfect harmony | Nov 01 02:33 |
| schestowitz | And here's a factoid | Nov 01 02:33 |
| schestowitz | No molecule of your body was there when you were a baby | Nov 01 02:34 |
| _Hicham_ | with no man intervention | Nov 01 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Now that's a scary fact, isn't it? | Nov 01 02:34 |
| schestowitz | And in you you probably have an atom that went through the bladder of Jesus (if he existed) | Nov 01 02:34 |
| _Hicham_ | the food chain is perfect | Nov 01 02:34 |
| schestowitz | For who? | Nov 01 02:35 |
| schestowitz | The dolphin? | Nov 01 02:35 |
| _Hicham_ | for the whole nature | Nov 01 02:35 |
| _Hicham_ | minus humans | Nov 01 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Well over 90% of the "food chain" is extinct already | Nov 01 02:35 |
| schestowitz | New page: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/?ca=dgr-lnxw97LinuxJavadth-LXdth-J&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=grlnxw97 | Nov 01 02:36 |
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| _Hicham_ | because those who can't live, die | Nov 01 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, But with the circular religious "logic", it's all planned by God to be how it is now | Nov 01 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | this is all a test | Nov 01 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | 150 foot Jesus will land on a mountain soon and save us all | Nov 01 02:36 |
| schestowitz | [02:36] <_Hicham_> because those who can't live, die | Nov 01 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Nov 01 02:36 |
| schestowitz | We all share a destiny | Nov 01 02:36 |
| schestowitz | We all die, eventually | Nov 01 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Stars too | Nov 01 02:36 |
| schestowitz | There is no immortality in the universe | Nov 01 02:37 |
| _Hicham_ | immortality is done through reproduction | Nov 01 02:37 |
| schestowitz | That would violate the rules of nature given the conditions | Nov 01 02:37 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: mortality means very little | Nov 01 02:37 |
| schestowitz | Define mortality | Nov 01 02:38 |
| schestowitz | Are planets organisms? | Nov 01 02:38 |
| _Hicham_ | mortality is the fact that an organism lives for a certain period of time | Nov 01 02:38 |
| _Hicham_ | that is mortality | Nov 01 02:38 |
| schestowitz | Are their molecules and their composition different, and if so, how? | Nov 01 02:38 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: but it stays | Nov 01 02:38 |
| schestowitz | The organism is matter | Nov 01 02:39 |
| schestowitz | The matter then evolves somehow | Nov 01 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Back to low level of food chain | Nov 01 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Usually after burial | Nov 01 02:39 |
| schestowitz | And then going up the food chain again | Nov 01 02:39 |
| _Hicham_ | organism is a "living" matter | Nov 01 02:39 |
| schestowitz | It's an organisation of atoms | Nov 01 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Very complex one | Nov 01 02:40 |
| _Hicham_ | but it is "living", that is the secret | Nov 01 02:40 |
| schestowitz | depends how youy define it | Nov 01 02:40 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, that is what science will never find | Nov 01 02:40 |
| schestowitz | Self replication if the condition | Nov 01 02:40 |
| schestowitz | And to do that you need to accumulate atoms | Nov 01 02:40 |
| _Hicham_ | even if u accumulate atoms, u can't create life | Nov 01 02:41 |
| schestowitz | It's a random process | Nov 01 02:41 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Nov 01 02:41 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not random | Nov 01 02:41 |
| _Hicham_ | pseudo-random | Nov 01 02:41 |
| schestowitz | By chance you could have primitive life develop | Nov 01 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Say you have a googolplex of atoms here | Nov 01 02:41 |
| _Hicham_ | human+human produce human | Nov 01 02:41 |
| _Hicham_ | not another form of life | Nov 01 02:41 |
| _Hicham_ | so it not random | Nov 01 02:41 |
| schestowitz | The chances or occurence that makes self replication is not as remote | Nov 01 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Esp. if you give it a billion years to kick off | Nov 01 02:42 |
| schestowitz | Just probability | Nov 01 02:42 |
| schestowitz | Don't start with humans | Nov 01 02:42 |
| schestowitz | Start with single-cell organisms | Nov 01 02:42 |
| _Hicham_ | u r talking about monocells ? | Nov 01 02:42 |
| schestowitz | Simpler than viruses | Nov 01 02:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes | Nov 01 02:43 |
| schestowitz | There a hierarchy | Nov 01 02:43 |
| schestowitz | It's complicated enough to stay the anatomy of simple organisms | Nov 01 02:43 |
| _Hicham_ | single cells replicate if they have enough food, and if other conditions ( that I don't know ) are met | Nov 01 02:44 |
| schestowitz | You can't make a computer either by just thinking of the whole | Nov 01 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Like, "who made this computer that gives me this rich display" | Nov 01 02:44 |
| schestowitz | It starts with binary | Nov 01 02:44 |
| schestowitz | and physics of semi-conductors | Nov 01 02:44 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, I agree | Nov 01 02:44 |
| _Hicham_ | but then again, even a single-cell structure is far beyong our comprehension | Nov 01 02:45 |
| _Hicham_ | and it is the smallest biology unit that we know of | Nov 01 02:45 |
| schestowitz | No, it's OK | Nov 01 02:45 |
| schestowitz | The DNA is not too complex to map | Nov 01 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Simpler than some computers probably | Nov 01 02:46 |
| schestowitz | The question is, how did it come about? | Nov 01 02:46 |
| schestowitz | You could assume life will vanish from Earth and computers stay | Nov 01 02:46 |
| _Hicham_ | even with DNA, u can't explain life | Nov 01 02:46 |
| schestowitz | The question then is, "where did these computers come from?" | Nov 01 02:46 |
| _Hicham_ | DNA is a small organizational element is the process | Nov 01 02:47 |
| _Hicham_ | *in the process | Nov 01 02:47 |
| schestowitz | If the computer is more complex than single-cell organism, then you could go backwards | Nov 01 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Then ask, what would it take to make the organism | Nov 01 02:47 |
| _Hicham_ | u can't | Nov 01 02:47 |
| _Hicham_ | simply | Nov 01 02:47 |
| _Hicham_ | u can make reproduce, maybe | Nov 01 02:48 |
| schestowitz | Single-cell organisms improved over time and made a computer | Nov 01 02:48 |
| schestowitz | hey outdid themselves | Nov 01 02:48 |
| schestowitz | They outdid themselves | Nov 01 02:48 |
| _Hicham_ | that is simply impossible | Nov 01 02:48 |
| schestowitz | It's sub-molecular | Nov 01 02:48 |
| schestowitz | But possible | Nov 01 02:48 |
| schestowitz | We're too large to work at that scale | Nov 01 02:49 |
| schestowitz | You could, in principle make a human or bacteria manually | Nov 01 02:49 |
| _Hicham_ | u can't go from a single-cell to an intelligent creature | Nov 01 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | lmao@ Jon Stewart | Nov 01 02:49 |
| _Hicham_ | that is far beyond logic | Nov 01 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | "The average consumer hasn't opened a newspaper since 1997...." | Nov 01 02:49 |
| schestowitz | But good luck organising the atoms the right way | Nov 01 02:49 |
| _Hicham_ | make it manually ? | Nov 01 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Nov 01 02:49 |
| _Hicham_ | no, ur missing the point | Nov 01 02:49 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: not in one go | Nov 01 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Gradual selection | Nov 01 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Like breeding | Nov 01 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Don't leap stages | Nov 01 02:50 |
| _Hicham_ | even if u organize the atoms the right way, u won't make an organism | Nov 01 02:50 |
| schestowitz | It's easy to see how crocodiles can become mammals | Nov 01 02:50 |
| schestowitz | We have evidence, too | Nov 01 02:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zzsg0yEH4s&feature=PlayList&p=42B8A475AB3E71CF&index=0&playnext=1 | Nov 01 02:50 |
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| schestowitz | We can see fish becoming lizards | Nov 01 02:51 |
| _Hicham_ | they can become, through some process | Nov 01 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, natural selection | Nov 01 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Over millions of generations | Nov 01 02:51 |
| schestowitz | More than the ~100 generations we may be able to recall | Nov 01 02:51 |
| _Hicham_ | fish becoming lizard ? | Nov 01 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 01 02:52 |
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| schestowitz | Amphibian | Nov 01 02:52 |
| _Hicham_ | is there any evidence ? | Nov 01 02:52 |
| schestowitz | Fins become like limbs | Nov 01 02:52 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: ys, fossils | Nov 01 02:53 |
| _Hicham_ | how can we conclude from a fossil that a fish can become lizard ? | Nov 01 02:53 |
| schestowitz | limb growth/development | Nov 01 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Som fish could crawl like snakes afaicr | Nov 01 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Before snakes grew some limbs like lizards that survive still have | Nov 01 02:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaIxOHoc0uQ | Nov 01 02:57 |
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| schestowitz | Skip to minute 1 | Nov 01 02:57 |
| _Hicham_ | even if we suppose that this evolution is possible, how can we get humans at last? | Nov 01 02:59 |
| schestowitz | We might have better | Nov 01 03:01 |
| schestowitz | If we don't destroy us all first | Nov 01 03:01 |
| schestowitz | To a future species we might look at stupid as a chimp looks to us | Nov 01 03:02 |
| schestowitz | And smart people like Hawking would be as smart as their 4-year-olds | Nov 01 03:02 |
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| hicham_ | schestowitz : still here ? | Nov 01 03:06 |
| schestowitz | When I come to think of it, planets are actually a lot like organisms too, just slower. They absorb comets, asteroids, then split, explode at the end and spread their matter to other 'organisms' planets. | Nov 01 03:06 |
| schestowitz | You fell offline? | Nov 01 03:07 |
| hicham_ | yes | Nov 01 03:07 |
| hicham_ | I am on a wireless connection | Nov 01 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | Wavelengths as conduits | Nov 01 03:07 |
| schestowitz | Nice stuff | Nov 01 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | no, planet aren't like organisms | Nov 01 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | they are completely different | Nov 01 03:08 |
| schestowitz | True | Nov 01 03:08 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no life in planets and stars | Nov 01 03:08 |
| schestowitz | There's no purpose to them | Nov 01 03:08 |
| schestowitz | "Purpose" is actually a human notion | Nov 01 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a purpose | Nov 01 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | that we don't know | Nov 01 03:09 |
| schestowitz | We put stories into random occurences | Nov 01 03:09 |
| schestowitz | It adds meaning and goals, except basic instincts :-) | Nov 01 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | nothing is occuring randomly | Nov 01 03:09 |
| schestowitz | Purpose? Why? | Nov 01 03:09 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't know, but sure, there is one | Nov 01 03:09 |
| schestowitz | When I fill a pool, OK... does the water have a purpose to its 'behaviour'? | Nov 01 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | we don't have enough knowledge about the cosmos | Nov 01 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | the purpose is that u want to swim | Nov 01 03:10 |
| schestowitz | It's a violent, ugly, inhumane place | Nov 01 03:10 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why it is filled | Nov 01 03:10 |
| schestowitz | It just all happens slowly enough for our scale of time | Nov 01 03:10 |
| schestowitz | The human does not exist for us | Nov 01 03:11 |
| schestowitz | We're less than a pixel in it | Nov 01 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Not even at its centre | Nov 01 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | the human is all of us | Nov 01 03:11 |
| schestowitz | What about apes? | Nov 01 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Our cousins | Nov 01 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | matter is less than 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000...1 % | Nov 01 03:11 |
| schestowitz | Sharing common ancestors | Nov 01 03:11 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, what about them? | Nov 01 03:11 |
| schestowitz | They are like us | Nov 01 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Almost same DNA | Nov 01 03:12 |
| _Hicham_ | but not intelligent | Nov 01 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Cause their DNA didn't find its sweeter spots yet | Nov 01 03:12 |
| _Hicham_ | they can't teach them how to speak | Nov 01 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Their DNA doesn't build the brain for speech | Nov 01 03:13 |
| _Hicham_ | even if we change their DNA to match ours, u won't get a human | Nov 01 03:13 |
| schestowitz | You could | Nov 01 03:13 |
| _Hicham_ | u will get a human form, but not exactly a human | Nov 01 03:13 |
| _Hicham_ | u won't get intelligence | Nov 01 03:13 |
| schestowitz | But the structure/size is different | Nov 01 03:13 |
| schestowitz | Intelligence is nuerons | Nov 01 03:14 |
| schestowitz | *neurons | Nov 01 03:14 |
| _Hicham_ | u would get maybe the same structure and size | Nov 01 03:14 |
| _Hicham_ | no, intelligence is far more than neurons | Nov 01 03:14 |
| schestowitz | If it's composed the same, it acts the same | Nov 01 03:14 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Nov 01 03:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, it's all traceable to brain activity | Nov 01 03:14 |
| schestowitz | We have good people writing about it | Nov 01 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | let me tell u sthg | Nov 01 03:15 |
| schestowitz | People used to think the heart did more than pump blood | Nov 01 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | we can maybe go from a human to an ape | Nov 01 03:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 01 03:15 |
| schestowitz | But won't survive for long | Nov 01 03:15 |
| _Hicham_ | but the inverse is not true | Nov 01 03:15 |
| schestowitz | Or reproduce really | Nov 01 03:15 |
| schestowitz | [03:15] <_Hicham_> we can maybe go from a human to an ape | Nov 01 03:16 |
| schestowitz | I've met people like that :-D | Nov 01 03:16 |
| schestowitz | But they only behaved like it :-D | Nov 01 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | we muslims, believe that a human could be transformed to an ape | Nov 01 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | and we have that in quran | Nov 01 03:16 |
| _Hicham_ | but the inverse, logically is not possible | Nov 01 03:17 |
| _Hicham_ | giving a mind is another mysterious step | Nov 01 03:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/18/AR2007031801130.html | Nov 01 03:17 |
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| schestowitz | "When Emory University primatologist Frans de Waal read a news story that said Microsoft's chief executive, Steve Ballmer, had hurled a chair across the room on hearing an employee was going to work for rival Google, the scientist immediately made a connection with his own research: "When I see such behavior, I think of a chimpanzee." " | Nov 01 03:18 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Nov 01 03:18 |
| _Hicham_ | so here are the steps that i see in creating a human | Nov 01 03:19 |
| _Hicham_ | are u following me ? | Nov 01 03:19 |
| schestowitz | It's 3am here. My neurons tell me I must lay down somewhere or face the consequences | Nov 01 03:20 |
| _Hicham_ | oh, we are on the same time zone, I forgot | Nov 01 03:20 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC is the troll | Nov 01 03:21 |
| _Hicham_ | where are u ? | Nov 01 03:21 |
| _Hicham_ | good night schestowitz | Nov 01 03:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC may be having another seizure | Nov 01 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | bull fucking shit | Nov 01 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | hahaha | Nov 01 03:22 |
| schestowitz | On the Internet, nobody knows you're [having a seizure] until you bark | Nov 01 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_ loves me | Nov 01 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | Muslims love everyone | Nov 01 03:23 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.worldbank.org/files/publicsphere/Internet_dog.jpg | Nov 01 03:23 |
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| _Hicham_ | oooooooooooooooh yes | Nov 01 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | just like Christians do | Nov 01 03:23 |
| _Hicham_ | big hug to u | Nov 01 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | and Jews | Nov 01 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they're all trying to wipe everyone else out | Nov 01 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | cause God is love | Nov 01 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | do you feel the love? I do | Nov 01 03:23 |
| schestowitz | No. | Nov 01 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Nationalism | Nov 01 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Embodies using leaders who exploit superstition | Nov 01 03:24 |
| schestowitz | They want conquest | Nov 01 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, So you're telling me that you don't give a shit if the UK goes under? | Nov 01 03:24 |
| schestowitz | They disguise the agenda using other terms that get marketed to the public | Nov 01 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | or if another bus bombing incident happens? | Nov 01 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Alexander the Great insisted he was a God | Nov 01 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Or son of God | Nov 01 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Delusions of grandeur | Nov 01 03:25 |
| schestowitz | And he got that honours around Lybia when he was about 22 | Nov 01 03:25 |
| schestowitz | And then managed to convince people | Nov 01 03:25 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #eclim makes #eclipse harder to use, not easier | Nov 01 03:25 | |
| schestowitz | Bush is similar | Nov 01 03:25 |
| schestowitz | Bush the Great | Nov 01 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, When you tell me you don't care if the UK becomes a failed state, then you can call me a nationalist without being a hypocrite | Nov 01 03:25 |
| schestowitz | !google bush chirac mission from god | Nov 01 03:25 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - A French Revelation, or The Burning Bush - Council for Secular ... | http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php%3Fsection%3Dlibrary%26page%3Dhaught_29_5 | Nov 01 03:25 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to "Erase ... | http://www.alternet.org/politics/140221/bush%27s_shocking_biblical_prophecy_emerges:_god_wants_to_%2522erase%2522_mid-east_enemies_%2522before_a_new_age_begins%2522/ | Nov 01 03:25 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - AllGov - News - Bush Invaded Iraq on a Mission from God | http://www.allgov.com/viewnews/bush_invaded_iraq_on_a_mission_from_god_90809 | Nov 01 03:25 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Was Bush on a mission from God? - thestar.com | http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/642352 | Nov 01 03:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: UK is in worse debt per capita than the US | Nov 01 03:26 |
| schestowitz | But there's an illusion | Nov 01 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm a "Nationalist" in the sense maybe that I don't want the US to fail or be invaded because I know there's far worse out there | Nov 01 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | we could become another Iran or something | Nov 01 03:26 |
| schestowitz | Same one as the UK marketed to Wilson (IIRC) to have him enter WW1 at the verge of UK bankruptcy | Nov 01 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Well, the days of the Western empire are ending | Nov 01 03:27 |
| schestowitz | It used to be the British | Nov 01 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Then US | Nov 01 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, So if massive military spending is at least the main cause of US debt, what is the UK in debt over? | Nov 01 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Now it's CHina's turn | Nov 01 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | I mean if you had to name one thing | Nov 01 03:28 |
| schestowitz | Support Free software | Nov 01 03:28 |
| schestowitz | Keep power in the hands of people, not developers | Nov 01 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Even Noam Chomsky doubts China could become a credible superpower | Nov 01 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | he cites too many internal problems | Nov 01 03:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: too much import, AFAIK | Nov 01 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The falling value of the USD is actually good for American workers | Nov 01 03:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://zikkir.com/business/10156?wscr=1280x800 | Nov 01 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | means exports go up | Nov 01 03:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Chen spreads a Buffett « Business News .::. Size~: 12.11 KB | Nov 01 03:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: heh. | Nov 01 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Eventually, exports will tie imports | Nov 01 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Good is bad, bad is good | Nov 01 03:29 |
| schestowitz | War is peace, too | Nov 01 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | they're within 2% of each other's growth rate now | Nov 01 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | imports are slowing, exports are gaining | Nov 01 03:30 |
| schestowitz | Tell this to Russian who owned Rubel | Nov 01 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The growing exports will solve a lot of the unemployment at least, I think | Nov 01 03:30 |
| schestowitz | Export of what? | Nov 01 03:30 |
| schestowitz | b52s? | Nov 01 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, We're also becoming more attractive for foreign companies to set up manufacturing facilities here | Nov 01 03:30 |
| schestowitz | That's what CHina once said | Nov 01 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | just this month a Canadian company bought an abandoned factory a few blocks from where I live | Nov 01 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | say they're bringing in 300 jobs | Nov 01 03:31 |
| schestowitz | The question is, who will use US citizens for labour? | Nov 01 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | good paying jobs too compared to what was there before and went under | Nov 01 03:31 |
| schestowitz | Not African, that's for sure | Nov 01 03:31 |
| schestowitz | *Africa | Nov 01 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The fact that tens of thousands of jobs have been or are being brought to Indiana from foreign companies alone in the last few years says that someone is | Nov 01 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | mostly the Japanese | Nov 01 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | Honda and Toyota alone hired over 6,000 people around here just by themselves | Nov 01 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | GM is starting to expand again | Nov 01 03:33 |
| _Hicham_ | of course DaemonFC can't do that job, because he is too lazy | Nov 01 03:33 |
| schestowitz | FM? | Nov 01 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Or GM? | Nov 01 03:33 |
| schestowitz | GM is dead | Nov 01 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | Michigan lost a few thousand GM jobs, but a few hundred more than what they lost are being added in Indiana | Nov 01 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Long live Federal Motors | Nov 01 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Nah, I think they will come back | Nov 01 03:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes, like Foxconn did | Nov 01 03:34 |
| schestowitz | Owned by the far east | Nov 01 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | the government restructuring will have done them enough good to at least make them competitive again | Nov 01 03:34 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : do u believe in ur gov administration? | Nov 01 03:34 |
| schestowitz | The other side of the Pacific will contract its former user | Nov 01 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | they got rid of Hummer, that was a major hemmorhage of money | Nov 01 03:34 |
| schestowitz | China can buy FM cheaply | Nov 01 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, In some ways | Nov 01 03:35 |
| schestowitz | But the dollar is not low enough yet | Nov 01 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, The problem is that the last administration managed to bomb a stone age country back to the stone age, costing trillions of dollars | Nov 01 03:35 |
| *schestowitz done for today | Nov 01 03:36 | |
| DaemonFC | which is jsut absurd | Nov 01 03:36 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to _Hicham_ | Nov 01 03:36 | |
| _Hicham_ | do u mean afghanistan ? | Nov 01 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | most everything the invasion accomplished could have been done with cruise missiles and general purpose bombs a lot cheaper | Nov 01 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Yes. | Nov 01 03:37 |
| _Hicham_ | no, they couldn't | Nov 01 03:37 |
| _Hicham_ | because there are mountains over there | Nov 01 03:37 |
| _Hicham_ | remember | Nov 01 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, The B52s loaded with the Blu82 or MOAB could have done some major obliteration | Nov 01 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | used in force anyway | Nov 01 03:38 |
| _Hicham_ | it is extemely difficult to hit a target lying within mountains | Nov 01 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, If we dropped enough of these puppies, there would be places where mountains USED to be | Nov 01 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 01 03:38 |
| _Hicham_ | no, u can't | Nov 01 03:38 |
| _Hicham_ | and u can't remove all of those mountains | Nov 01 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Not all of them, no | Nov 01 03:39 |
| _Hicham_ | and even if u succeed, the entire region will in danger of seisms | Nov 01 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | Predators could circle an area of a suspected hideout though | Nov 01 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | we could find them and blow them up after watching the area long enough | Nov 01 03:39 |
| _Hicham_ | but they can't predict the souce of rockets | Nov 01 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Why rockets? | Nov 01 03:40 |
| _Hicham_ | u can't find them | Nov 01 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | just call in a bomber | Nov 01 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | the mountain would cave in on top of them, literally | Nov 01 03:40 |
| _Hicham_ | hahahahahahahaha | Nov 01 03:41 |
| _Hicham_ | u r really funny | Nov 01 03:41 |
| _Hicham_ | as I told u, how can u find them ? | Nov 01 03:41 |
| _Hicham_ | that is the question | Nov 01 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | Predator drones, intelligence reports from the Northern Alliance | Nov 01 03:41 |
| _Hicham_ | all sorts of waves are distorted in mountains | Nov 01 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | same way they've found them so far | Nov 01 03:41 |
| _Hicham_ | they used malicious ways at the end | Nov 01 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Afghanistan is a problem because they're too primitive | Nov 01 03:42 |
| _Hicham_ | at the first, they were talking like u | Nov 01 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | you could use an EM pulse to take out all electronics in Iran | Nov 01 03:42 |
| _Hicham_ | then , they used their minds | Nov 01 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | be done with them real fast | Nov 01 03:42 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, that easily ? | Nov 01 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Yes, one bomb and not even a battery would work in all of Iran | Nov 01 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | pretty cool, huh? | Nov 01 03:43 |
| _Hicham_ | no, it is not that easy to drop a bomb on a nation | Nov 01 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Not on them | Nov 01 03:44 |
| _Hicham_ | hiroshima and nagazaki are still suffering | Nov 01 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | in the Ionosphere | Nov 01 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't kill anyone | Nov 01 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | would just fry their electronic equipment | Nov 01 03:45 |
| _Hicham_ | how would they get in their ionosphere without authorization ? | Nov 01 03:46 |
| _Hicham_ | and u think that Iran is that dumb ? | Nov 01 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | not dumb, no | Nov 01 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | they just couldn't do anything about it | Nov 01 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | it would be over with before they knew what happened | Nov 01 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | all of a sudden, no electronic equipment works, at all | Nov 01 03:48 |
| _Hicham_ | I bet that Iran are securing their electronic equipment | Nov 01 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I doubt it | Nov 01 03:48 |
| _Hicham_ | Iran have a lot of intelligent people | Nov 01 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | even if they could, the civilians would be totally without power | Nov 01 03:49 |
| _Hicham_ | and the point ? | Nov 01 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | and even if they got the grid working, the devices themselves would be ruined | Nov 01 03:49 |
| _Hicham_ | cut power on the whole nation ? | Nov 01 03:49 |
| cubezzz | build a Faraday cage | Nov 01 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | it would cause mass rioting | Nov 01 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | panic | Nov 01 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | all kinds of problems | Nov 01 03:49 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, that what the US does | Nov 01 03:49 |
| _Hicham_ | panic and riots all over the world | Nov 01 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Not jsut the power, it destroys all electrical equipment too | Nov 01 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the riots and shit would get out of control | Nov 01 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | the government would collapse | Nov 01 03:50 |
| cubezzz | "To a large degree, Faraday cages also shield the interior from external electromagnetic radiation if the conductor is thick enough and any holes are significantly smaller than the radiation's wavelength." | Nov 01 03:50 |
| _Hicham_ | and it will leave in a miserable state, like Iraq and Afghanistan ? | Nov 01 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Or open to invasion from any opportunistic neighbors | Nov 01 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 01 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's what I would probably do | Nov 01 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | let them destroy themselves in the panic and then get invaded by a neighboring country | Nov 01 03:51 |
| _Hicham_ | wow, great approach to stabilize the world | Nov 01 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Most of the world would still be quite stable | Nov 01 03:51 |
| _Hicham_ | not the region | Nov 01 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | Iran would sort itself out after the government collapsed | Nov 01 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | and whatever happens happens | Nov 01 03:52 |
| _Hicham_ | what if they started hitting randomly with nuclear weapons in the riot ? | Nov 01 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Well since they don't have any...yet | Nov 01 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | that wouldn't be a problem | Nov 01 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Bonus: Since their SAM sites would be down, we could make a fly by their nuclear facilities and blow them all up | Nov 01 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | or, I'm sure the Israelis would volunteer for that one | Nov 01 03:54 |
| _Hicham_ | blow the nuclear facilities ? | Nov 01 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, some bunker busters should do it | Nov 01 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't want that to be left sitting there for whoever takes Iran over in the end | Nov 01 03:56 |
| _Hicham_ | u r just talking | Nov 01 03:56 |
| _Hicham_ | all of those plans are risky | Nov 01 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, The threat would be neutralized with one ICBM with the warhead detonated in the ionosphere and a couple bombing runs | Nov 01 03:57 |
| _Hicham_ | which threat ? | Nov 01 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | no war, no civilian casualties (from our operation) | Nov 01 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | no losses of our own | Nov 01 03:57 |
| _Hicham_ | no, u will kill civilians, believe me | Nov 01 03:58 |
| _Hicham_ | that what the US does | Nov 01 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, an EM pulse doesn't kill people | Nov 01 03:58 |
| _Hicham_ | ok, what after the EM pulse ? | Nov 01 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | the only possible deaths would be people on life support in hospitals | Nov 01 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose | Nov 01 03:58 |
| _Hicham_ | I am talking about the plan after the EM pulse | Nov 01 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, After the pulse, there would likely be riots | Nov 01 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | but people that die in riots are not people we killed | Nov 01 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, no "plan" as such | Nov 01 03:59 |
| _Hicham_ | no, u killed them | Nov 01 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | sit back and wait to see who takes over | Nov 01 04:00 |
| _Hicham_ | u created the riot | Nov 01 04:00 |
| _Hicham_ | what if a worse gov takes up ? | Nov 01 04:00 |
| _Hicham_ | cut off the power again ? | Nov 01 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, First, it would take them years to recover from that | Nov 01 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | the infrastructure I mean | Nov 01 04:00 |
| _Hicham_ | don't u think that this is the real terrorism ? | Nov 01 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | so if a worse government came along, their infrastructure is already destroyed, so they should be easy to "deal with" if need arises | Nov 01 04:01 |
| _Hicham_ | I mean the US is the terrorist of the world | Nov 01 04:01 |
| _Hicham_ | the US will never stop spreading terror | Nov 01 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, What goes around comes around | Nov 01 04:02 |
| _Hicham_ | u see, they filled with hatred, even though u don't know those people | Nov 01 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | you guys should have thought of that before | Nov 01 04:02 |
| _Hicham_ | no, it is the US who started first | Nov 01 04:02 |
| _Hicham_ | if u leave people alone, everyone will be fine | Nov 01 04:03 |
| _Hicham_ | why the US didn't intervene in Darfur ? | Nov 01 04:03 |
| _Hicham_ | tell me ? | Nov 01 04:03 |
| _Hicham_ | because there is no money in there | Nov 01 04:03 |
| _Hicham_ | they attacked Iraq for oil | Nov 01 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I wouldn't have interfered either | Nov 01 04:03 |
| _Hicham_ | they plan to attack Iran for oil | Nov 01 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I would have taken out Saddam the first time | Nov 01 04:04 |
| _Hicham_ | but they will never attack north korea | Nov 01 04:04 |
| _Hicham_ | can the US attack North Korea ? | Nov 01 04:04 |
| _Hicham_ | answer me | Nov 01 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | Can we? Yes | Nov 01 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | Should we? No | Nov 01 04:04 |
| _Hicham_ | no, u can't | Nov 01 04:05 |
| _Hicham_ | because they may hit u, u r not too far | Nov 01 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have anything capable of it | Nov 01 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | their tests are mostly failures anyway | Nov 01 04:05 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, who knows | Nov 01 04:05 |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : u tested firefox 3.6 ? | Nov 01 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Yes | Nov 01 04:09 |
| _Hicham_ | did u find any performance improvement ? | Nov 01 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | It supports Aero Peek | Nov 01 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | I appreciated that much | Nov 01 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, a bit faster | Nov 01 04:10 |
| _Hicham_ | I am talking about performance | Nov 01 04:10 |
| _Hicham_ | faster startup ? | Nov 01 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Don't know. | Nov 01 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | ANything should start fast on a 3 Ghz quad core CPU :P | Nov 01 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Nov 01 04:11 |
| _Hicham_ | not necessarily | Nov 01 04:11 |
| _Hicham_ | it boots in how much time ? | Nov 01 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Windows 7? | Nov 01 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | from cold start, 41 seconds | Nov 01 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | warm reboot takes it 38 seconds | Nov 01 04:24 |
| _Hicham_ | wow, that is too much | Nov 01 04:24 |
| _Hicham_ | how much do u get with ubuntu ? | Nov 01 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I've found that Ubuntu on this system starts in 29 seconds from cold to desktop | Nov 01 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | and about 26 seconds if I'm rebooting | Nov 01 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Their kernels are not optimal though | Nov 01 04:25 |
| _Hicham_ | wow, that is weird | Nov 01 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | if I build my own, I can get he cold boot time down to 19 seconds | Nov 01 04:25 |
| _Hicham_ | 19 second to from Grub to Login ? | Nov 01 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | from hitting the power button, to the desktop | Nov 01 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | I stop the clock while I'm logging in | Nov 01 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | and start it when I hit Enter | Nov 01 04:27 |
| _Hicham_ | not very impressive with the config u have | Nov 01 04:29 |
| _Hicham_ | 3 GHz Quad Core | Nov 01 04:29 |
| _Hicham_ | u would boot in less than 10 seconds | Nov 01 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, The hard disk is the limiting factor | Nov 01 04:30 |
| _Hicham_ | do u have a slow harddisk ? | Nov 01 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Not especially slow as hard disks go | Nov 01 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | but hard disks haven't gotten much faster over the last 10 years | Nov 01 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | certainly can't keep pace with processors and GPUs and RAM | Nov 01 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, ironically, Bing is the chinese word for "disease" | Nov 01 05:05 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/report_majority_of_newspapers_now | Nov 01 05:45 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: as a part of my belief that he who doesn't thank people doesn't thank God, I want to thank you very much for your help in getting my system back. | Nov 01 06:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: it turned out that, like you said, all I needed to do was finish the upgrade process. So I booted into an older version kernel and in the CLI, I typed "sodu apt-get update" then "dpkg --configure -a", rebooted the machine and... bingo! :) | Nov 01 06:55 |
| Omar87 | version *of the* kernel | Nov 01 06:55 |
| Omar87 | This saved me from having to re-enstall Kubuntu from scratch. | Nov 01 06:57 |
| Omar87 | So, thanks again. ^^ | Nov 01 06:57 |
| Omar87 | re-install* | Nov 01 06:57 |
| zer0c00l | good morning | Nov 01 07:15 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] IIT insufferable indian tribe: http://helloji.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/iit-insufferable-indian-tribe/ (old one) #funny | Nov 01 07:45 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Micro blogging with !emacs addons: http://arun-sag.blogspot.com/2009/10/micro-blogging-with-emacs-addons.html Blog updated | Nov 01 08:35 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: hey | Nov 01 09:21 |
| schestowitz | You came asking about the blank screen | Nov 01 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's plasma desktop | Nov 01 09:22 |
| schestowitz | You just needed to launch it | Nov 01 09:22 |
| schestowitz | alt+f2 , plasma-desktop | Nov 01 09:22 |
| schestowitz | You had left by the time I saw it | Nov 01 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Lesson learned: don't reboot if you make an incomplete update. Put it in healthy state first | Nov 01 09:23 |
| schestowitz | Canonical servers are knackers due to the release | Nov 01 09:23 |
| schestowitz | So I would hold off non-critical updates for now. | Nov 01 09:23 |
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| cubezzzz | always have a backup computer too :) | Nov 01 09:38 |
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| schestowitz | omar: "Ubuntu.com was unavailable for some short periods during yesterday's release of Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala" http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/10/30/koala_loses_a_little_karma_with_ubuntucom.html | Nov 01 09:50 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzzz: I have one, but never had to use it :-) :-) | Nov 01 09:51 |
| schestowitz | In fact, the s/w that's on it is badly out of date | Nov 01 09:51 |
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| zer0c00l | .seen Daemon-FC | Nov 01 10:03 |
| zer0c00l | =P | Nov 01 10:05 |
| schestowitz | Hey, zer0c00l. What's up? | Nov 01 10:05 |
| schestowitz | http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/giving-computers-the-boot-35090 | Nov 01 10:05 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: i thought .seen is bot command; | Nov 01 10:05 |
| zer0c00l | we have it in fedora irc channels | Nov 01 10:06 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: zodbot | Nov 01 10:08 |
| schestowitz | http://ulyssesonline.com/2009/10/30/5-ways-to-figure-out-ubuntu-version/ | Nov 01 10:09 |
| schestowitz | Interesting. | Nov 01 10:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 5 Ways To Figure Out Ubuntu Version » ulyssesonline.com .::. Size~: 37.01 KB | Nov 01 10:09 |
| oiaohm | Ok that boot one is not even a new thing schestowitz its found in some mobile phones. | Nov 01 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: we don't have such a bot here | Nov 01 10:09 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: ok | Nov 01 10:10 |
| oiaohm | Linux mobile phones schestowitz | Nov 01 10:10 |
| schestowitz | !google zer0c00l | Nov 01 10:10 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - ZER0C00L | MySpace - myspace.com/davidpalumbo | http://www.myspace.com/davidpalumbo | Nov 01 10:10 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - J-Wer™ (Jim Werline) | MySpace - myspace.com/Zer0c00L | http://www.myspace.com/Zer0c00L | Nov 01 10:10 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - VMware Communities: User Profile for zer0c00l | http://communities.vmware.com/people/zer0c00l%3Bjsessionid%3DAE2C894FA81AE1A791FA27E9C9A8C2C6 | Nov 01 10:10 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Hack It!: Having Fun in IRC | http://arun-sag.blogspot.com/2009/01/having-fun-in-irc.html | Nov 01 10:10 |
| schestowitz | That and URL fetching is all trmanco's bot does for now | Nov 01 10:10 |
| zer0c00l | !google Arun SAG | Nov 01 10:10 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Hack It! | http://arun-sag.blogspot.com/ | Nov 01 10:10 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Arun SAG (sagarun) - Identi.ca | http://identi.ca/sagarun | Nov 01 10:10 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Arun SAG (sagarun) tagged fedora - Identi.ca | http://identi.ca/sagarun/tag/fedora | Nov 01 10:10 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - sagarun - Gitorious | http://gitorious.org/~sagarun | Nov 01 10:10 |
| zer0c00l | lol | Nov 01 10:10 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] /me is enjoying xmonad with dmenu and gmrun; http://xmonad.org/ | Nov 01 10:15 | |
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| schestowitz | http://mou.me.uk/2009/10/31/fixing-eclipse-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala/ | Nov 01 10:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Paranormal legislative activity? http://ur1.ca/ew71 #readthebill #hr554 #lobbiests | Nov 01 10:19 | |
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| omar | schestowitz: have you tried this Quassel IRC client? It's amazing! | Nov 01 10:21 |
| schestowitz | http://linux.bihlman.com/2009/10/31/installing-and-using-snort-on-ubuntu/ *SNORT* | Nov 01 10:22 |
| schestowitz | omar: I moved from Xchat to Konveration | Nov 01 10:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Paranormal legislative activity? http://ur1.ca/ew71 #readthebill #hres554 #lobbiests | Nov 01 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | I only heard Quassel | Nov 01 10:23 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: use erc | Nov 01 10:23 |
| *schestowitz looks at http://www.google.com/images?hl=en-GB&q=Quassel&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Nov 01 10:23 | |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz: you still an emacs virgin ? | Nov 01 10:23 |
| zer0c00l | =P | Nov 01 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | It looks very advanced | Nov 01 10:24 |
| omar | schestowitz: yeah, you should also give Quassel a try too. | Nov 01 10:24 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: no, I used emacs before | Nov 01 10:24 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: cool | Nov 01 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmmmm http://allmyapps.com/data/q/u/quassel-client-quassel-irc-client-only/UBUNTU-9.04/quassel.png | Nov 01 10:25 |
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| schestowitz | Qt as well | Nov 01 10:25 |
| omar | schestowitz: Although the font size is so damn molecular, the overall look and feel is just awesome. | Nov 01 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Just like Konversation | Nov 01 10:25 |
| schestowitz | http://quassel-irc.org/pub/cebit2008-microsoft-standparty.jpg | Nov 01 10:26 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. What's that logo in the bg? | Nov 01 10:26 |
| schestowitz | http://quassel-irc.org/pub/cebit2008-microsoft-standparty.jpg | Nov 01 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.hp.com/sbso/busproducts_notebooks.html | Nov 01 10:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been checking out Wave, need friends to talk to! #wave #google | Nov 01 10:51 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm.... 6 century BC world's population was 100 million only [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U92FbWAkcVA&NR=1 ] | Nov 01 11:26 |
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| _Hicham_ | good morning schestowitz | Nov 01 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 01 12:04 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : when will u get ur PhD ? | Nov 01 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Soon. | Nov 01 12:21 |
| schestowitz | There's no hurry | Nov 01 12:21 |
| _Hicham_ | then we will call u Doctor Schestowitz | Nov 01 12:24 |
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| _Hicham_ | Doctor Schestowitz holding a big seringe | Nov 01 12:25 |
| _Hicham_ | and chasing Ballmer | Nov 01 12:25 |
| schestowitz | schestowitz: if you don't hurry people up, it takes them half a year or more just to read | Nov 01 12:25 |
| _Hicham_ | what is it about ? | Nov 01 12:25 |
| schestowitz | And I don't mind cause I've hardly spent time on it since 05/06 | Nov 01 12:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Scares #Microsoft, Outwits the Competition http://ur1.ca/ewe7 http://ur1.ca/ewe8 | Nov 01 12:26 | |
| _Hicham_ | i mean what is the subject ? | Nov 01 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: medical biophysics | Nov 01 12:26 |
| _Hicham_ | i know, but what is the precisely the subject of the thesis ? | Nov 01 12:26 |
| schestowitz | People have misunderstanding about the process of a Ph.D. | Nov 01 12:26 |
| schestowitz | One person I know took his time and took 7 years | Nov 01 12:26 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: see my Web site. There are some papers there | Nov 01 12:27 |
| _Hicham_ | 7 years ? | Nov 01 12:27 |
| _Hicham_ | that is too much | Nov 01 12:28 |
| _Hicham_ | here it is 3 years now | Nov 01 12:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2009 #Linux #Graphics #Survey is Announced http://bit.ly/3mCgOM | Nov 01 12:32 | |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: 3 years yes | Nov 01 12:33 |
| schestowitz | For mostly practical things, not bureaucracy and laziness | Nov 01 12:34 |
| schestowitz | I started writing the thesis after about 2.5 years, maybe less | Nov 01 12:34 |
| _Hicham_ | hope u ll get it soon | Nov 01 12:35 |
| _Hicham_ | what work will u do with the PhD ? Research ? work at the university ? | Nov 01 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Likely | Nov 01 12:36 |
| schestowitz | I've worked here since 2001 | Nov 01 12:37 |
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| _Hicham_ | I hope u will find sthg new | Nov 01 12:40 |
| _Hicham_ | and maybe explain the genesis of life to us someday | Nov 01 12:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #GNU #Linux Games: #Syntensity Serves as Free/Libre Platform http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14289 | Nov 01 12:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME 3.0 Development Release is Out http://bit.ly/UCm7R | Nov 01 12:42 | |
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| _Hicham_ | did u try gnome-3.0 schestowitz ? | Nov 01 12:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Sugar , #DesktopEnvironment for Learners http://bit.ly/4pXwDE | Nov 01 12:44 | |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I will | Nov 01 12:45 |
| schestowitz | It's a lot of the same | Nov 01 12:45 |
| schestowitz | with gnome-shell, like plasma in kde4 | Nov 01 12:46 |
| _Hicham_ | gnome-shell yes, I thought the same | Nov 01 12:46 |
| schestowitz | kde4 is mostly different underneath, apps are mostly the same, plasma is the new 'app' | Nov 01 12:46 |
| _Hicham_ | and qt4 | Nov 01 12:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC XOs/Sub-notebooks May Come to #Rwanda http://allafrica.com/stories/200910300100.html #fedora #sugar | Nov 01 12:49 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I see, my bro @sagkavin is now using fedora 11; and is playing with plymouth effects; @sagkavin spread the love; | Nov 01 12:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Sabayon #Linux 5, #Mandriva Linux Has Winners http://ur1.ca/ewfu http://ur1.ca/ewfv | Nov 01 12:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DebConf10 to Take Place in New York City http://ur1.ca/ewfy #debian | Nov 01 12:54 | |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, qt4, I forgot | Nov 01 12:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Optimism and Success Stories in #Fedora Land http://ur1.ca/ewg0 http://ur1.ca/ewg1 #redhat | Nov 01 12:56 | |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : did u see this ? http://ofaurax.free.fr/blog/index.php5/2009-10-31-00h31-0100.xml | Nov 01 12:56 |
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| oiaohm | http://durian.blender.org/news/eye-and-hair-test/#more-947 The eye ball test for durian is kinda freaky. | Nov 01 12:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of #Ubuntu 9.10 and Other Good News http://ur1.ca/ewgj http://ur1.ca/ewgk http://ur1.ca/ewgl | Nov 01 13:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In #EReader Arena, It's Just Linux vs Linux vs #Linux http://bit.ly/nolyC | Nov 01 13:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones Resurgence as Sales Rise http://ur1.ca/ewgr http://ur1.ca/ewgs | Nov 01 13:10 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @schestowitz: Optimism and Success Stories in #Fedora Land http://ur1.ca/ewg0 http://ur1.ca/ewg1 #redhat | Nov 01 13:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones Gain at Windows' Expense as #Android Rises http://ur1.ca/ewgx http://ur1.ca/ewgy http://ur1.ca/ewgz | Nov 01 13:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open Source Whitepaper" Modified, Stresses Cost and Not #Freedom http://opensource.org/node/486 | Nov 01 13:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Anti-Free Software Company #SAP Can't Help Using #Apache http://ur1.ca/ewhd | Nov 01 13:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vision of #FreeSoftware Already a Reality to Many http://ur1.ca/ewhf http://ur1.ca/ewhg | Nov 01 13:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OSX #ZFS Lives in Hands of Volunteer Developers http://bit.ly/1xmAI5 | Nov 01 13:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Web-based Alternative to #OpenOffice .org in Review http://ur1.ca/ewhr | Nov 01 13:27 | |
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| ThistleWeb | am I missing something, or does that OpenGoo reviews consist of a whopping one paragrapgh? | Nov 01 13:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Mozilla Tour of #Firefox , a Look at Firefox 3.6 Beta 1 http://ur1.ca/ewi4 http://ur1.ca/ewi5 | Nov 01 13:31 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Nov 01 13:32 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh got it, I blocked the video host with noscript | Nov 01 13:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Proprietary Software's Business Future Seems Gloomy http://ur1.ca/ewi9 http://ur1.ca/ewib | Nov 01 13:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Samba 3.4.3 is Released http://bit.ly/G0c0p | Nov 01 13:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxKongress 2009 and #ODF #Plugfest Coverage http://ur1.ca/ewik http://ur1.ca/ewil | Nov 01 13:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's and Amazon's Abuse of Rights Leading to Probes/Warnings http://ur1.ca/ewj0 http://ur1.ca/ewj1 | Nov 01 13:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Backlash Against Mandy/Hollywood Law Continues http://ur1.ca/ewj4 http://ur1.ca/ewj5 #unrest | Nov 01 13:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good New Example of #IntellectualMonopolies Gone Wrong http://bit.ly/a1ObW | Nov 01 13:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Business Model Based on #IntellectualMonopolies Challenged http://techdirt.com/articles/20091030/0121566726.shtml | Nov 01 13:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SoftwarePatents May be Abolished in the US Soon http://bit.ly/DrUoS #swpat #bilski | Nov 01 14:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive Number of #Windows Machines Still Infected by #Conficker , Harming Web http://ur1.ca/ewkb | Nov 01 14:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Should Reject #Citibank and #Tesco http://ur1.ca/ewkc http://ur1.ca/ewkd #kickbacks | Nov 01 14:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Even Slower Than #Vista , Some Say, Wastes Energy http://ur1.ca/ewkf http://ur1.ca/ewkg | Nov 01 14:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Admits #Vista7 Problems, $300 Million Dollars in Brainwash Go to Waste $300 http://www.i4u.com/article27848.html | Nov 01 14:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WindowsMobile is Dying as #Linux is Gaining http://bit.ly/Uym2E | Nov 01 14:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Crypto Critically Broken http://bit.ly/2saSoh | Nov 01 14:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Lost Touch With Partners, Says Former Microsoft Employee http://ur1.ca/ewme | Nov 01 14:28 | |
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| schestowitz | Enough for this time :-) | Nov 01 14:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Blender does some amazing #freesoftware work. Check out the videos: http://bit.ly/2LYhNT | Nov 01 14:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.tdn.com/articles/2009/11/01/area_news/doc4aed2c54e77c5171296463.txt | Nov 01 14:44 |
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| DaemonFC | " | Nov 01 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | Melissa Stoddard of Longview said she was at the rally to represent the younger generation. | Nov 01 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | “I grew up in a Christian family and this is what I believe,” said the 19-year-old. “I love people, and yes, I do have homosexual friends. But I don’t support their lifestyle. I definitely believe it is a lifestyle.”" | Nov 01 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | "I have gay friends, but I still hate fags" | Nov 01 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | If I had a dollar for every Christian indoctrinated moron teenager I've heard that from.... | Nov 01 14:45 |
| schestowitz | What does it mean? | Nov 01 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | they act like as long as they say "I have gay friends, but..." it excuses the rest of the vile, hateful filth that's coming next, schestowitz | Nov 01 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they talk about "fag", the food | Nov 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Or refer to gay as "happy" | Nov 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe they are plain dumb | Nov 01 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Maybe I mean Christian as in "Follower of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck" | Nov 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | "Don't get me wrong, I [like|use] X, but X is []" is a classic | Nov 01 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | you know, their lords and saviours | Nov 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | There are good videos about this too | Nov 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | !Google don't get me wrong but youtube | Nov 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | !google don't get me wrong but youtube | Nov 01 14:47 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - YouTube - The Pretenders - Don't Get Me Wrong - Live in New Zealand | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPqJkOXuEvDE | Nov 01 14:47 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - YouTube Comes To The Wii And PS3, But Not Xbox | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/15/youtube-comes-to-the-wii-and-ps3-but-not-xbox/ | Nov 01 14:47 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Interview: Bellator CEO Rebney Talks YouTube, Network TV Deals, + More | http://www.cagepotato.com/interview-bellator-ceo-rebney-talks-youtube-network-tv-deals-more | Nov 01 14:47 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Bullies bash boy, film for YouTube | Toowoomba Crime | Robberies ... | http://www.thechronicle.com.au/story/2009/10/31/bullies-set-boy-bashing/ | Nov 01 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's a copout that spineless people fall back on | Nov 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | !google don't get me wrong but | Nov 01 14:47 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Lyrics: Don't Get Me Wrong | http://www.pretenders.org/lydont.htm | Nov 01 14:47 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - don't get me wrong - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus ... | http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/don%27t%2Bget%2Bme%2Bwrong | Nov 01 14:47 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Pretenders | Don't Get Me Wrong lyrics | http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/pretenders/don%2592t%2Bget%2Bme%2Bwrong_20110708.html | Nov 01 14:47 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Don't Get Me Wrong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Get_Me_Wrong | Nov 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | There are those who pretend | Nov 01 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Like religious people who pretend to have "found" religion | Nov 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Or Microsofter who pretend to have embraced FOSS | Nov 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Only to curse it from the inside or transform it for MicrosofT | Nov 01 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, fundamentalist Christianity is a front for Neo-Nazis | Nov 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I've heard stories and seen examples | Nov 01 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, All the white supremecist groups cite Christian beliefs | Nov 01 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | explain how they can hate Jews when they claim they're Christians and Jesus was supposed to be a Jew | Nov 01 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | they come up with a new, white Jesus | Nov 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSHKG36118020091030 | Nov 01 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | So much for US stimulus act money to promote American jobs | Nov 01 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | "Chinese manufacturer in $1.5 bln U.S. wind project" | Nov 01 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Why not just call it the "Lets pay the Chinese to undercut the people who are unemployed here, after borrowing all the money from China Act"? | Nov 01 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, that would be a long name though | Nov 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | I call it 'public looting" | Nov 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Notice how "bailout" became the euphemism "stimulus" | Nov 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Implying that it does not rescue a bunch of criminals; | Nov 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | rather, it will STIMULATE the economy, they would have you believe | Nov 01 14:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiUDKI0ptyk | Nov 01 15:00 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, $787 billion dollars to gain 65,000 jobs (and that list is fake) | Nov 01 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | but even if it did "save or create" 65,000 jobs... | Nov 01 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, $12,107,692 per job | Nov 01 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | fuck the job, send me a $12 million check | Nov 01 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't you agree? | Nov 01 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'll go out and stimulate the economy with my $12 million | Nov 01 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | sure, why not? | Nov 01 15:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: BAN THIS SICK FACEFILTH http://notnews.today.com/?p=712 | Nov 01 15:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They could have sent $2,580 to every man woman and child | Nov 01 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | why not? | Nov 01 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | that's still like twelve car payments on a reasonable car | Nov 01 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | it gets us by til next year, so what the hell? | Nov 01 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | am I right? :) | Nov 01 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, That's a bailout. Bail out all the people who thought they could finance a $60,000 house and a $20,000 car on an $8 an hour Walmart job | Nov 01 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, If we're gonna reward greed and incompetence, why not reward the greedy and incompetent POOR people too? | Nov 01 15:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Microsoft-releases-fix-for-crypto-patch-846346.html | Nov 01 15:09 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've never put myself in a debt that brings interest, and I hope I never have to | Nov 01 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | I just get a $2,000-ish car every 5-6 years or so | Nov 01 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | there's no reason why you can't do that. Just get one that's in good shape and you don't have any payments to make or anything | Nov 01 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | even if something does go out on it now and then, it's still not even going to cost you what the interest would alone on a new car | Nov 01 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Nov 01 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think I may have managed to defeat wine | Nov 01 15:13 |
| *Diablo-D3 has constructed a ia32 chroot! | Nov 01 15:13 | |
| schestowitz | /me watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLZKqGbNfck&NR=1 | Nov 01 15:13 |
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| DaemonFC | I figure I've spent about $500-$600 a year in maintenence and repairs | Nov 01 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | that would be like 2-3 car payments and still have to pay for maintenence and some repairs even there | Nov 01 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well | Nov 01 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | the smart people | Nov 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | I'm surprised not more people protest against the public looting (aka "bailout') | Nov 01 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | buy a certified preowned toyota | Nov 01 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I protested :< | Nov 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Not enough :-p | Nov 01 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | they like to make the payments they advertise seem low and then they lob in all these taxes and interest and fees and regulatory fees and environmental taxes and crap | Nov 01 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | and it's not even affordable | Nov 01 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | a $200 a month payment really becomes like over $300 for the same car | Nov 01 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I really wish people would quit doing business with those companies | Nov 01 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | once the paperwork is signed | Nov 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Organise information campaigns | Nov 01 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | meh, you do it | Nov 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Walk from door to door, explain to the public who is to blame | Nov 01 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no | Nov 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Give names, not shadows like "government' | Nov 01 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Nobody wants to hear that it's their fault | Nov 01 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | the public already knows who to blame | Nov 01 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | bush | Nov 01 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | they want to blame the government they helped elect and pay taxes to | Nov 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Nov 01 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | and we cant do a damn thing to him. | Nov 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | More than one man | Nov 01 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yup | Nov 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Bush is a shadow | Nov 01 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | his signature is on aaaalllll the papers. | Nov 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Cast by the people who controlled him | Nov 01 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: except hes not a shadow | Nov 01 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | he actually does exist | Nov 01 15:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Firefox 3.6 is having a weird compilation issue | Nov 01 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: use the 3.7 branch meh | Nov 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Stage one: put them on trial | Nov 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Ask Obama to do so | Nov 01 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | if you go against the banks and pharma, and such, they'll destroy you politically | Nov 01 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: hah, they cant destroy me politically | Nov 01 15:17 |
| schestowitz | That will serve as a cautionary tale | Nov 01 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | they'll cook up scandels and make sure they're on the 24 hour news cycle | Nov 01 15:17 |
| schestowitz | You commit war crime, you go to prison | Nov 01 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: I'd like to see them try, actually | Nov 01 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'd be hilarious | Nov 01 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I cant even fit a CNN news crew in my house | Nov 01 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, They tried to bring down Clinton | Nov 01 15:17 |
| schestowitz | You bail out your buddy's bank, you go to Guatamala | Nov 01 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: both Clintons | Nov 01 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Bill made a laughing stock of them | Nov 01 15:17 |
| schestowitz | brb | Nov 01 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Who do you think was funding all the smear "investigations"? | Nov 01 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: bush and co. | Nov 01 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | sure it was the Rethuglicans doing them | Nov 01 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | but who was FUNDING them? | Nov 01 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | um, they're privately rich | Nov 01 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | they fund themselves | Nov 01 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | most of the key neocons have money out the ass | Nov 01 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the sad part is | Nov 01 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | with all that money | Nov 01 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | that cant stop someone like me | Nov 01 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | unlike them, I really don't exist on the radar. | Nov 01 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: imagine, Anonymous, the army of /b/..... going into politics. | Nov 01 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I want the Pirate Party to win some seats | Nov 01 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | they should start out local and work their way up | Nov 01 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | its kind of funny | Nov 01 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | if our founding fathers were alive today | Nov 01 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'd join the pirate party | Nov 01 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Right as soon as you finished explaining how people are getting sued for "stealing" imaginary objects. | Nov 01 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, I'm sure they would sign right up | Nov 01 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | it may take a moment for them to wrap their heads around such a stupid concept | Nov 01 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | hmm | Nov 01 15:23 |
| *Diablo-D3 could follow @washington on twitter | Nov 01 15:23 | |
| Diablo-D3 | wow, wouldn't that be nifty | Nov 01 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | and ben franklin would probably hate twitter, and go for straight out blogging | Nov 01 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, George Washington would be spinning in his grave | Nov 01 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | he wouldn't even recognize what has happened to this country | Nov 01 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: actually | Nov 01 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | that'd be a good thing | Nov 01 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Nov 01 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | he could get funding for a green power project from obama. | Nov 01 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | :D | Nov 01 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Nov 01 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, That's actually one of the things I agree with | Nov 01 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, this is what the government is _supposed_ to be doing | Nov 01 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | we do need wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric power, etc. | Nov 01 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | wherever it makes good sense to invest in it, we should | Nov 01 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | definitely | Nov 01 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | forcing corporate america to suck less | Nov 01 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, renewable power sources that are non-polluting could probably meet at least half our electricity demands | Nov 01 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | possibly more | Nov 01 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually all | Nov 01 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | reliably? | Nov 01 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | more reliable than coal, anyways | Nov 01 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | cost effectively? | Nov 01 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: look at it this way | Nov 01 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | God put a giant flaming ball of shit in the sky | Nov 01 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | _all renewable sources stem from this_ | Nov 01 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Indiana's state level Republicans aren't all that bad on wind power actually | Nov 01 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | I wrote to my state senator about that and was surprised that he personally replied supporting it | Nov 01 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | they've passed some legislation to establish tax credits and partial funding for it | Nov 01 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | the wind farms are operational now and mre are going in | Nov 01 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only things that dont is tidal (which has limited used, but is still important) and geothermal (also of limited use) | Nov 01 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | doelectric | Nov 01 15:28 |
| tenderfoot | I like the term "Solar IS nuclear" :) | Nov 01 15:29 |
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| Diablo-D3 | goddamnit xchat, quit eating my text | Nov 01 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one wants old school hydro, btw | Nov 01 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | it fucks up natural land too much | Nov 01 15:29 |
| tenderfoot | Geothermal, is renewable energy not derived from the sun | Nov 01 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | tenderfoot: I already said that | Nov 01 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I'm gonna fill this rental car up with E-85 before I take it back | Nov 01 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those "flex fuel" Taurus models | Nov 01 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | might as well save $1 a gallon on the 18 gallon tank :P | Nov 01 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | I know W-85 doesn't get you as far, but all I need is for the fuel gauge to be full | Nov 01 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | *E-85 | Nov 01 15:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | bwhahaha | Nov 01 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | and it's the next guy's problem when the car guzzles the stuff | Nov 01 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd put water in it if I thought the car would run | Nov 01 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 01 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, If the tank is under full, I pay $20 for each quarter of a tank when I take it back | Nov 01 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | might as well fill it with the cheap shit | Nov 01 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, E-85 is worthless, it's the unilateral wet dream of the state politicians and the corn farmers | Nov 01 15:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah | Nov 01 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Without tax subsidies, the E-85 can't compete. It only costs 15% less than gas WITH the tax exemptions, and you lose like 27% of your gas mileage on it | Nov 01 15:38 |
| *Diablo-D3 starts tf2 in his wine | Nov 01 15:38 | |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well | Nov 01 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | all that shits dead anyhow | Nov 01 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | diesel and alternates are all becoming popular | Nov 01 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, If they wanted to make E-85 affordable, they'd make the alcohol with fast growing tall grass | Nov 01 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | no expensive things like corn | Nov 01 15:39 |
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| Diablo-D3 | no | Nov 01 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | if they want to tell you to run the car on something with 27% less energy potential, they need to get it to cost 27% less | Nov 01 15:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'd make it illegal | Nov 01 15:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then push alternative fuels | Nov 01 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | and without digging into taxpayer pockets | Nov 01 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | or electric | Nov 01 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: and btw | Nov 01 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | they fucked it up to begin with | Nov 01 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | they need something with _more_ energy potential | Nov 01 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means no more fucking internal combustion engines | Nov 01 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | diesel works extremely well | Nov 01 15:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | as does modern hybrids | Nov 01 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, If you want to spend more, hybrids work well enough I guess | Nov 01 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | you spend so much extra on the car and replacing batteries | Nov 01 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | you may as well just use gas only | Nov 01 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | $1500 to replace a battery every year | Nov 01 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | the cars cost $50,000 on up and have no HP or torque | Nov 01 15:42 |
| MinceR | lulz @ "no hp or torque" | Nov 01 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's like driving a $50,000 Geo Metro, MinceR | Nov 01 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | good luck selling that shit | Nov 01 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | I mean a few hippies will buy it | Nov 01 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | the ride sucks, the car has no power, it costs a fortune | Nov 01 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just get a real car and run it on gas than fuck around with some TOYota Hybrid | Nov 01 15:43 |
| MinceR | you do realize that parallel hybrids can add together the power of their gas and electric engines, right? | Nov 01 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, so you're back up to 130 HP with BOTH engines running? | Nov 01 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | cool | Nov 01 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | that still doesn't match the 225 HP of my 3 liter DOHC V6 | Nov 01 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | so I believe I will pass | Nov 01 15:44 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 01 15:44 |
| MinceR | what do you want/need 225 hp for? | Nov 01 15:45 |
| MinceR | are you transporting or racing? | Nov 01 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Have you ever driven around here? | Nov 01 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | man, in maine, you need that much just to get up hills | Nov 01 15:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: nope | Nov 01 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't MOVE, those idiots in Hummers and shit will run you over | Nov 01 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | hell, even minvans would be honking at me in a Prius I'm sure | Nov 01 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | *minivan | Nov 01 15:46 |
| MinceR | how heavy is that car? 2 tons? 3? :> | Nov 01 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The speed limit on the interstate is 70 MPH, in reality, people do at least 85-90 in some spots | Nov 01 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | a Prius would be dangerous on I-465 | Nov 01 15:46 |
| MinceR | my Carina at about 106 hp easily does 130 km/h (the legal limit here) | Nov 01 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, probably 2 | Nov 01 15:47 |
| MinceR | and it isn't a light car | Nov 01 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | not real sure | Nov 01 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | maybe less | Nov 01 15:47 |
| MinceR | (about 80 mph) | Nov 01 15:47 |
| MinceR | obviously it would be unwise to discuss for me how much more it can do :> | Nov 01 15:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Uses #Propaganda to Acquire #ICT in #Nigeria and #AbuDhabi http://ping.fm/Z2Do7 | Nov 01 15:48 | |
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| schestowitz | tenderfoot is mutex | Nov 01 15:48 |
| MinceR | well, kickban him, then | Nov 01 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, According to the manual, my car weighs 1,408 kg | Nov 01 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | so 1.4 metric tonnes | Nov 01 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | so I was off a bit | Nov 01 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I do like the engine though, I don't want to lose that engine | Nov 01 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | if anything, in a year or two I'll buy another Taurus SHO | Nov 01 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | probably an '01-'02 model | Nov 01 15:50 |
| MinceR | if all you want is a big engine, try a truck | Nov 01 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Not the same | Nov 01 15:50 |
| MinceR | now you're starting to get it | Nov 01 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | the truck would be using probably a 4.8 liter V8, MinceR | Nov 01 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'd go from 25 mpg to like 9-10 | Nov 01 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | so that's not really an option | Nov 01 15:51 |
| MinceR | so suddenly mpg matters? | Nov 01 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Well, yeah, when you can get the same power out of a dual overhead cam V6 | Nov 01 15:51 |
| MinceR | it's interesting how you change the criteria to rationalize your choice :> | Nov 01 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'll take it | Nov 01 15:51 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's as powerful as pretty much any small V8 engine without the shitty gas mileage | Nov 01 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | Why would I not love that? | Nov 01 15:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: DaemonFC's real problem is, his tauruses aren't blue | Nov 01 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Mine is olive green, actually | Nov 01 15:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | exactly. | Nov 01 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/speedie13/95sept.jpg?t=1257090651 | Nov 01 15:54 |
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| DaemonFC | not my car, but same model, year, and color | Nov 01 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/speedie13/nov18.jpg | Nov 01 15:55 |
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| DaemonFC | looks exactly like that | Nov 01 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | the only difference I made on mine was to remove the radio deck, all it came with was a damned tape player | Nov 01 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | $100 at Walmart fixed that | Nov 01 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | got me CD player, Sirius, and MP3 player dock | Nov 01 15:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck yeah sirius | Nov 01 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | I got a rentel for the week though, cause I'm going to be doing a lot of running around | Nov 01 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | probably the other side of the state and back | Nov 01 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to add 1,000 miles or more on mine | Nov 01 15:58 |
| MinceR | why? | Nov 01 16:01 |
| MinceR | isn't that what cars are for? :> | Nov 01 16:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | because hes a dumbass | Nov 01 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Cause I don't beat the shit out of my car | Nov 01 16:01 |
| MinceR | it isn't beating the shit out of the car | Nov 01 16:01 |
| MinceR | it's _using_ the car | Nov 01 16:01 |
| MinceR | if you don't drive it, it's just a lawn ornament | Nov 01 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Every time I get on I-465, someone tries to crash into me | Nov 01 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather wreck the rental | Nov 01 16:02 |
| MinceR | get an APC | Nov 01 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'd love one | Nov 01 16:02 |
| MinceR | as an added bonus, you can get a huge engine ;) | Nov 01 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | a 3 liter V6 is a huge engine since when? | Nov 01 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's pretty much mainstream | Nov 01 16:03 |
| MinceR | they're rarely able to go above 100 km/h (~62 mph), though | Nov 01 16:03 |
| MinceR | maybe they're mainstream in the USA | Nov 01 16:04 |
| MinceR | i've heard you get gasoline cheap :) | Nov 01 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | yes MinceR, we don't push our cars up hills or mountains | Nov 01 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | make the passengers walk | Nov 01 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 01 16:05 |
| MinceR | strange, neither do i :) | Nov 01 16:05 |
| MinceR | though there is an incline here that the old eastern-bloc car-imitations have difficulty climbing :> | Nov 01 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'd hate to be driving some cheap budget car with a 2 liter 4 cylinder engine through the mountains | Nov 01 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | that car wouldn't last long if you put it through that every day | Nov 01 16:06 |
| MinceR | once again, it also depends on how heavy the car is | Nov 01 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Cheap fiberglass body | Nov 01 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | you die if you crash into anything | Nov 01 16:06 |
| MinceR | not necessarily | Nov 01 16:06 |
| MinceR | a shorter body is lighter, for example | Nov 01 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Those cheap cars scare the hell out of me, know why? | Nov 01 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | I had one as a loaner once while my car was in the shop | Nov 01 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | a Chevy Cavalier | Nov 01 16:07 |
| MinceR | i really think you need an APC :> | Nov 01 16:08 |
| MinceR | (then again, so do i) | Nov 01 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | and I backed into a phone pole at like 5 mph and put a grapefruit size dent in the rear fender | Nov 01 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, that's not the scary part really | Nov 01 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | I pulled it out with my hands | Nov 01 16:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 01 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 01 16:08 |
| MinceR | nice, easily repaired fender :> | Nov 01 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, I don't know how they pass safety tests MinceR | Nov 01 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | you'd be seriously injured in a 10 mile per hour collision | Nov 01 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | 20 mph is certain death | Nov 01 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I've walked away from a side collision where the other driver hit me at 60 MPH, MinceR | Nov 01 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | in a Chevy Lumina | Nov 01 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I put a new door on my car, and that was that | Nov 01 16:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | you mean a chevy pepsi can | Nov 01 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, The guys insurance company freaked out and told me my car was totalled | Nov 01 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | paid me $2500 for it | Nov 01 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | the door cost me $50 at a junkyard and an afternoon to put it on | Nov 01 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: wait | Nov 01 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | there was no alignment problems? | Nov 01 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | oh right, I did have it aligned, that cost me like $60 | Nov 01 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | big deal | Nov 01 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | usually shit like that theres always that tiny little bit they cant fix | Nov 01 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | It was in decent enough shape after the crash that I drove it 100 miles back home | Nov 01 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | so your car ever so slightly whobbles | Nov 01 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | tied the door shut on the way | Nov 01 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | nope, I just did it cause I figured I should | Nov 01 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | it wasn't wobbling | Nov 01 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | nice | Nov 01 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | the guy ran into me with a 2004 PT Cruiser | Nov 01 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | new at the time | Nov 01 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Nov 01 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | those thing suck dick | Nov 01 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | and he totalled that | Nov 01 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | it never ran again | Nov 01 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | destroyed the engine block somehow | Nov 01 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know wtf they were thinking with that | Nov 01 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like they made a car with paper machee | Nov 01 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, He was drunk | Nov 01 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | what, when he bought it? =P | Nov 01 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | I called him the PT Boozer on the phone with his insurance company | Nov 01 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, So my car was fixed within a week | Nov 01 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | and I made a net profit of like $2400 | Nov 01 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 01 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | and bought another car with that | Nov 01 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | the SHO | Nov 01 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | and then sold the Lumina for $1800 | Nov 01 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | the Taurus SHO is such a nicer car than that Lumina was | Nov 01 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's faster, the interior is better, it feels more rugged | Nov 01 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a nicer car in every way | Nov 01 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | by more rugged, I men the suspension, the frame | Nov 01 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | better ride | Nov 01 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I told my mom I sold that Lumina and bought this SHO and she said I was crazy | Nov 01 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | but I sold the Lumina to her (ex) husband's daughter, who I hate | Nov 01 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | and she never changed or checked the oil and a little over a year later it leaked out enough oil that the engine failed | Nov 01 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | I never saw what exactly did it, but I'm pretty sure it was the oil pan gasket | Nov 01 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's like $50 if you do it or $200 if you go to the shop | Nov 01 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've replaced it on the Taurus when it was leaking oil, it's no big deal | Nov 01 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | people are just retarded | Nov 01 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | actually, I think the gasket was only like $10, I needed some tools | Nov 01 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | certainly between all her anonymous sex partners, someone had a toolbox | Nov 01 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | but I digress | Nov 01 16:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: the only toolbox was between her legs | Nov 01 16:22 |
| *Diablo-D3 went there. | Nov 01 16:22 | |
| DaemonFC | ewww | Nov 01 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't be confessing to that | Nov 01 16:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont mean that way you moron. | Nov 01 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | you better get to a clinic now | Nov 01 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 01 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Nov 01 16:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHJ7FmV0M4&NR=1 | Nov 01 16:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Launch Parties | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yz2582w | Nov 01 16:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | My mom just called me from Paris | Nov 01 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | she said all calls to the US are free from her hotel | Nov 01 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | so we talked a bit | Nov 01 16:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] We won't deliver your mail, but we'll be damned if anyone else will. http://tinyurl.com/ycc5mrl | Nov 01 16:56 | |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, In the US, a company is legally allowed to hire replacements and even fire striking employees | Nov 01 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | a strike doesn't mean you'll get anything, you might not even get your job back | Nov 01 16:57 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah there's a lot of union protection for stuff like that here | Nov 01 16:57 |
| ThistleWeb | they demand the right to fuck the end user over to get their way, and anyone attempting to keep the end users service going is the bad guy | Nov 01 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, That's why a good union contract in the US has consequences (civil) for a company that hires scabs or fires striking employees | Nov 01 16:58 |
| ThistleWeb | the UK ground to a halt in the 70's with unions and strikes | Nov 01 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So the BBC are bad are they? Are they really? I don't think so. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm I was away in Spain when Karmic came out, with no Internet access. | Nov 01 16:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Office #Accounting Goes Boom http://ping.fm/TXEVa | Nov 01 16:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | but unskilled labor is having a harder time getting good contracts | Nov 01 16:59 |
| ThistleWeb | the 70's saw Thatcher rise to power to crush the unions and Labour out in the wilderness until Blair | Nov 01 17:00 |
| ThistleWeb | unions are not bad as such, but some of their actions are | Nov 01 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, US law also says members of management cannot be in a union, so it's common for companies like Walmart to open up a secret "stock portfolio" and give each employee a couple shares every year they are there. | Nov 01 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | That makes them members of management, and not eligible to form a union | Nov 01 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, crims will always find a way to do what they want while keeping by the laws on paper | Nov 01 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, I've been in salary management there, there's nothing Walmart won't do to keep a union out | Nov 01 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | they'll break the law if they have to and clean up the mess later | Nov 01 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | they'll close stores if it comes to it | Nov 01 17:02 |
| ThistleWeb | unions represent a collective power | Nov 01 17:02 |
| ThistleWeb | individuals are easier to threaten and bully | Nov 01 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | they went to that nasty package meat to keep the meat cutters from forming a union | Nov 01 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | fired them all | Nov 01 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | they closed down a store in Canada that unionized successfully | Nov 01 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | before negotiating a contract with them | Nov 01 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | The official line, ThistleWeb, not public line, but internally, is "Walmart will close down every last store before we negotiate with a union" | Nov 01 17:04 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: look at iplayer fiasco for example | Nov 01 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Look up Erik Huggers, Highfield and others | Nov 01 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I've got to go, I'd give you more stuff later | Nov 01 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, Retail unions are weak really, but at least if you have a contract, you know you get what the contract spells out | Nov 01 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | Meijer (Wal-Mart like big box store in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio) has unions in some of their stores | Nov 01 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | they have mostly full time employees, pay an average of $8.75 an hour, and have real health insurance policies that average about $15 a week | Nov 01 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | unions only work if their actions have the support and sympathy of the public | Nov 01 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | in some cases they do, but many they dont | Nov 01 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | Wal-Mart around here averages $8 an hour, mostly part time, and only people that get insurance are management and the 30% or so who average more than 34 hours a week | Nov 01 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | and that insurance starts at $25 a week for a $1,000 deductible | Nov 01 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, I'd say that what Meijer employees get is worth the $5 a week in union dues | Nov 01 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's still not a living wage, but it's a hell of a lot more than you're going to get at Walmart | Nov 01 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | if you're not in salary management at Walmart, you need to get out ASAP | Nov 01 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is not an appropriate place to try to make a living as an hourly employee | Nov 01 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb, There's a few exceptions to that rule, but they are exceptions | Nov 01 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | there's a few hourlies who manage to make a decent income, it usually doesn't last long | Nov 01 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | they'll fire you or force you into management if you're making more than that store manager wants to pay you | Nov 01 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | I was forced into management when I started making $10 an hour as an overnight stocker | Nov 01 17:12 |
| ThistleWeb | it's why they make a lotta money | Nov 01 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | well, kind of | Nov 01 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I don't agree with some of their policies, from a business perspective | Nov 01 17:13 |
| ThistleWeb | find ways of screwing every part of the chain | Nov 01 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | if you get a good worker, I say they're worth what they make at a hgher than average wage | Nov 01 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, management sounded good at first ThistleWeb, because it was a lot more money and they couldn't cut my hours and effectively dock my pay | Nov 01 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I was told elsewhere that it's to do with popey s blog entry why they did some Ubuntu coverage. http://popey.com/blog/2009/10/21/bbc-breakfast-talk-up-windows-7-dismiss-rivals/ | Nov 01 17:20 |
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| popey | sebsebseb / schestowitz nah, I can't take credit for that. Canonical had arranged to go and see the BBC before I blogged about it. | Nov 01 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | popey: oh ok | Nov 01 17:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Israel of 2009 is a spoiled country, arrogant and condescending.. http://is.gd/4Kgdn | Nov 01 18:31 | |
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| _goblin | anyone here on wave? | Nov 01 18:32 |
| fewa | im on pygowave | Nov 01 18:34 |
| fewa | but it doesn't federate with google wave yet | Nov 01 18:34 |
| fewa | http://pygowave.net/ | Nov 01 18:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Messing with Google Wave....I have a couple of contacts now....also using KDEuBlog on Kubuntu 9.10 for this twit! | Nov 01 18:56 | |
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| schestowitz | THis is silly: http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/ogg/119 Why make a podcast of a RAFFLE??? Boring. | Nov 01 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | popey: so the BBC should have given a laptop to someone like Bill Thompson | Nov 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | jono tried Highfield (now Microsoft UK) the other time | Nov 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | They need to find people who are actually vaguely familiar with FOSS | Nov 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: how are you finding KDEuBlog? I think it could use some improvements, but it's still very new | Nov 01 19:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the raffle was part of LRL too | Nov 01 19:44 |
| ThistleWeb | but the raffle is only the start | Nov 01 19:44 |
| ThistleWeb | some interesting discussion later on | Nov 01 19:45 |
| _Hicham_ | Kschestowitz : new software to find proprietarty software on ur system, been written by Roy Schestowitz | Nov 01 19:45 |
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| -Md-[GlobalNotice] sorry for the recent mass-kill issue! we are investigating what happened exactly | Nov 01 19:50 | |
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| schestowitz | from reader: "mootly fool brags too much" http://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2009/10/28/too-late-to-cash-in.aspx | Nov 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | "Mootly fool essentially admits to a form of stock fraud in this article. If | Nov 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | the people at Mootly fool profited from their publication's ability to pump | Nov 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | stock prices, they have broken US laws against inside trading and are not an | Nov 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | independent reporter of news. Microsoft stock prices have yet to recover | Nov 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | from their year 2000 downfall and this shows that the pump is more a form of | Nov 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | rigged gambling than a long term investment. Media fraud like this may have | Nov 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | been common on Fruad Street but the Fool is pushing their luck to brag about | Nov 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | their great picks in a downturn that has created a populist attitude not seen | Nov 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | since the last great depression." | Nov 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I actually noticed the same thing too. Pumping of stocks is not regulated | Nov 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | And Motley is a booster of Microsoft. | Nov 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+motley&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Nov 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | -Md- [GlobalNotice] sorry for the recent mass-kill issue! we are investigating what happened exactly | Nov 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yes, I sort of lost patience | Nov 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz | There was no point to it being unedited when basically you hear the calling of numbers | Nov 01 20:03 |
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| ThistleWeb | skip to about 10mins in, it gets better | Nov 01 20:04 |
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| -tomaw-[Global Notice] Hi all, as you will have noticed a rather large percentage of our users were just killed by a bug in a utility bot. We've taken it offline and are investigating the cause. Sorry for the inconvenience! Please direct questions to #freenode as staff are a little swamped! | Nov 01 20:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/nwqja - My first Wave conversation..at the moment its very much like a cross between IRC/Twitter... | Nov 01 20:29 | |
| popey | schestowitz: the bbc didn't give the laptop, canonical did | Nov 01 20:31 |
| popey | 19:36:38 <@schestowitz> THis is silly: http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/ogg/119 Why make a podcast of a RAFFLE??? Boring. | Nov 01 20:37 |
| popey | thanks for the feedback | Nov 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I didn't mean it to be offensive | Nov 01 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I liked it until the raffle part where I couldn't keep track of what was going on. As ThistleWeb pointed out, I need to listen to minute 10 onwards | Nov 01 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I haven't reached that yet :-D | Nov 01 20:47 |
| cubezzz | this may be of interest: | Nov 01 20:55 |
| cubezzz | http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/10/30/upgrade.pricing/index.html | Nov 01 20:55 |
| cubezzz | in a way, I guess it doesn't really matter | Nov 01 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. Added | Nov 01 20:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Resistance to #Propaganda from Seattle and #IDC ; #Microsoft Staff Makes a Move http://ping.fm/7Dip7 | Nov 01 21:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Blue skies over the ocean. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/17691.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/531668.html | Nov 01 21:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] My youngest refuses to go to sleep and is currently dancing to Dr Jones by Aqua...I use the term dancing loosely... | Nov 01 21:18 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: popey I thought that BBC article I linked to earlier regarding Ubuntu was ok, but then the video, uh, they say Windows apps can't be run on Ubuntu, yes they can, not natively, but in Wine yes | Nov 01 21:24 |
| cubezzz | sometimes they can, sometimes they can't | Nov 01 21:25 |
| cubezzz | wine doesn't work on everything | Nov 01 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: true | Nov 01 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: ,but the video said they can't be run at all | Nov 01 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | in Ubuntu | Nov 01 21:25 |
| popey | its not as simple as it sounds | Nov 01 21:25 |
| popey | the video was put together very quickly it seems with little prep | Nov 01 21:26 |
| cubezzz | can I use wine to run a windows usb scanner? Nope | Nov 01 21:26 |
| popey | I was talking to Chris (the guy in the video) at the Ubuntu release party last week about it | Nov 01 21:26 |
| sebsebseb | popey: What's not as simple as it sounds? | Nov 01 21:26 |
| popey | the video was edited for example | Nov 01 21:27 |
| popey | and they had difficulty showing stuff off because the room they were in was right in the middle of BBC TV Centre, and they had no network connection | Nov 01 21:27 |
| popey | only a very limited 3g connection, and little time to prep | Nov 01 21:27 |
| cubezzz | not knocking wine, just pointing out it's limits | Nov 01 21:27 |
| popey | only a fool would demo a windows app under wine with no prep | Nov 01 21:28 |
| cubezzz | I avoid windows apps myself usually | Nov 01 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: yes it's far from perfect, but it's rather impressive what it can do today | Nov 01 21:28 |
| popey | on the bbc | Nov 01 21:28 |
| cubezzz | sebsebseb, I still use dosbox for old games | Nov 01 21:28 |
| cubezzz | and running my old rubik programs | Nov 01 21:28 |
| popey | i dont think they wanted to go too deep in 3 minutes of video | Nov 01 21:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Stephen Elop Scandal Addressed After Harmful September #Proxy http://ping.fm/5Rvzw | Nov 01 21:29 | |
| sebsebseb | popey: Well hopefuly they will have some good stuff on there for Lucid, not just the BBC technology site, but a Click episode for Lucid would be nice | Nov 01 21:29 |
| schestowitz | popey: oh | Nov 01 21:29 |
| schestowitz | VIdeo? | Nov 01 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was just audio | Nov 01 21:29 |
| schestowitz | The Ogg file | Nov 01 21:29 |
| popey | no, there was a video | Nov 01 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Nov 01 21:29 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yes the link I gave earlier is an article with a video | Nov 01 21:29 |
| popey | it was linked from the front page of the bbc news site for a day | Nov 01 21:29 |
| popey | sebsebseb: we need to make lucid first :) | Nov 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Oh, we talk about different things | Nov 01 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I was talking about Linux Outlaws | Nov 01 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | popey: well I don't make it, I might sign up on brainstorm and suggest a few things though. Do you actsaully make Ubuntu? | Nov 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | THe part where they read out numbers for links 5 minutes, i audio | Nov 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | /links/like | Nov 01 21:31 |
| popey | I'm not a developer, no, I'm on the Ubuntu Community Council, LoCo Council, EMEA Membership Board and do a few other things though :) | Nov 01 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | what's EMEA? | Nov 01 21:31 |
| MinceR | "Europe, the Middle East and Africa" | Nov 01 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | popey: yeah and you do podcasts and stuff, yep didn't think you made it | Nov 01 21:34 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: not sure what that one is | Nov 01 21:34 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe,_the_Middle_East,_and_Africa | Nov 01 21:35 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, I didn't mean to be rude to him or anything | Nov 01 21:35 |
| popey | schestowitz: there's a lot more to ubuntu than just writing code | Nov 01 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I was just listening to the start and then the raffle had me stop and type s/t in IRC | Nov 01 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Didn't mean to seem offensive... I like Linux Outlaws | Nov 01 21:36 |
| schestowitz | popey: yes, any technology company is like that | Nov 01 21:36 |
| sebsebseb | popey: Well I missed the Karmic release since I was in Spain without an Internet connection, but oh well, as someone that has been testing since alpha 4, I am not that impressed with Karmic. I also haven't clean installed the final just yet. | Nov 01 21:36 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: rude to who? | Nov 01 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I reckon Windows developers are about 200 in number | Nov 01 21:36 |
| schestowitz | 1000 for Office is the number I have | Nov 01 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Which leave you realising what the other 80-90,000 are doing | Nov 01 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Cash cows pay for a lot of that overweight company | Nov 01 21:37 |
| sebsebseb | popey: Well next week will be good, and I think you know why :) | Nov 01 21:37 |
| popey | I dont | Nov 01 21:38 |
| sebsebseb | popey: Ubuntu Open Week? | Nov 01 21:38 |
| popey | oh | Nov 01 21:38 |
| ThistleWeb | well, the latest screencasters was interesting, about faking miniatures | Nov 01 21:38 |
| sebsebseb | popey: I remember reading Windows 7 stuff on BBC before going on holiday, and how one of those Windows 7 articles mentioned Ubuntu a little bit :) | Nov 01 21:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and how you told me to read other sources :D, but I wanted to start with the BBC stuff first | Nov 01 21:40 |
| Balrog | sebsebseb: the final is not that bad | Nov 01 21:48 |
| Balrog | it works quite well | Nov 01 21:48 |
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| sebsebseb | Balrog: yeah probably, altough it seems quite a lot of people are getting issues after doing a 9.04 to 9.10 upgrade, but 9.10 is one that should be clean installed really I guess so people get Ext4 and Grub2 by default | Nov 01 21:49 |
| Balrog | hmm idk. | Nov 01 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | most 9.04 installs are going to be Ext3 | Nov 01 21:49 |
| Balrog | I upgraded without issues | Nov 01 21:49 |
| Balrog | is there a way to update ext4 and grub2 non-destructively? | Nov 01 21:49 |
| Balrog | though I guess a backup would be recommended first ;) | Nov 01 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | there's a way to convert Ext3 to Ext4, but the conversion won't be as good as just creating and using an Ext4 partition | Nov 01 21:50 |
| sebsebseb | to be honest I don't know if it really matters anymore | Nov 01 21:50 |
| sebsebseb | with the optional Ext4 support in 9.04 which wasn't perfectly stable, boot up, shut down, and disk checking got speed up by a lot | Nov 01 21:50 |
| sebsebseb | not perfectly since the kernel and such | Nov 01 21:51 |
| Balrog | this machine had 8.04 originally | Nov 01 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | perfectly stable above | Nov 01 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | Xsplash will speed up stuff in 9.10 | Nov 01 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | I am going to actsaully put it on twice, first with Ext3 to try like that, so I know what it will be like for people that have done the 9.04 Ext3 upgrade | Nov 01 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | and then on with Ext4 for my proper install | Nov 01 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | not have two installs on there at the same time | Nov 01 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | first before doing any of that, I want to have some fun and destroy Vista, and re install that as well, for the future where I might play some 3D games in it | Nov 01 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | yeah delete the Windows folder and that kind of thing from the Ubuntu Live CD, and then try and boot Vista, to find out what happens heh | Nov 01 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | well I got some junk here and there in my current install, and I feel like starting over with that as well so yeah | Nov 01 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | junk as in like for example Vista gadjects add ons | Nov 01 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | Balrog: this machine came with Vista and started with Ubuntu on 7.04 I think it was, the old computer ran Windows 98 all those years ago if I remember correctly, and started with the second release of Ubuntu in 2005, after having Fedora Core 2 and 4 on it, with no net, because of a stupid wireless device | Nov 01 21:57 |
| Balrog | hmm. | Nov 01 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | yeah it wasn't hardwired at the time so silly wireless device | Nov 01 21:57 |
| popey | 21:47:02 < sebsebseb> there's a way to convert Ext3 to Ext4, but the conversion won't be as good as just creating and using an Ext4 partition | Nov 01 21:57 |
| popey | not true | Nov 01 21:57 |
| popey | it's the same | Nov 01 21:57 |
| sebsebseb | popey: Have you got a link or something on how to do it? | Nov 01 21:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft continues exploiting children to market products that have nothing to do with #children http://ping.fm/yNUCW | Nov 01 21:59 | |
| sebsebseb | popey: In fact really for the big channel there should be an !ext4 factoid that tells people how to do it | Nov 01 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | popey: surely data should be backed up first though, becasue dataloss might happen or is likely to happen? | Nov 01 22:00 |
| popey | there's plenty of guides online to migrate | Nov 01 22:00 |
| popey | dunno if there's one on the wiki | Nov 01 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | popey: Have you done the conversion yourself? | Nov 01 22:01 |
| popey | yes | Nov 01 22:02 |
| popey | on my laptop | Nov 01 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Nov 01 22:05 |
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| sebsebseb | popey: in the quote of me, really I wanted to put, probably won't be as good as... | Nov 01 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | Ext3 and Ext4 9.10 test for boot up and shut down, now that I should do, after all not much point really suggesting people get Ext4 in 9.10 if they don't already have it, if they won't really get an advantage from it | Nov 01 22:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fail for #Microsoft Cash Drainer, #Xbox360 http://ping.fm/KwDWo | Nov 01 22:38 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.osor.eu/news/fr-130-000-pcs-at-tax-authority-to-get-open-source-email-client Its keeping on happening. | Nov 01 22:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I just had the best weekend of my life :D | Nov 01 22:59 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, but not in English-speaking countries | Nov 01 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | eek. load average: 11.87, 5.62, 3.16 | Nov 01 23:10 |
| cubezzz | you're getting popular :) | Nov 01 23:12 |
| cubezzz | although I wonder if Novell is really the primary villian | Nov 01 23:15 |
| cubezzz | maybe it should be "boycottmicrosoft" instead | Nov 01 23:16 |
| MinceR | agreed | Nov 01 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Novell does a lot of worse damaging evil cubezzz | Nov 01 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Pushing .net in a way that in case of attack from MS people using it have no defence unless aquired from Novell is nasty. | Nov 01 23:18 |
| oiaohm | Novell in its complete history every company it has destroyed it has been friends with first. | Nov 01 23:19 |
| cubezzz | One could also say that about Microsoft | Nov 01 23:19 |
| cubezzz | and .net seems to me to be Microsoft's answer to Java | Nov 01 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Most people are aware of MS. | Nov 01 23:20 |
| cubezzz | Novell really made a deal with the devil here | Nov 01 23:20 |
| oiaohm | And don't fall into lets be friends lines. | Nov 01 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Novell was a devil before that cubezzz | Nov 01 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Novell set up SCO to attack Linux cubezzz | Nov 01 23:21 |
| cubezzz | I'll have to look into Novell's history | Nov 01 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Since Novell really held the tech they could let SCO collect all the licence money then take it back off of them. | Nov 01 23:22 |
| MinceR | apparently more people fall for the "m$ is a friend of FLOSS" ploy nowadays. | Nov 01 23:22 |
| oiaohm | When it turned out SCO was going to lose. Novell stepped in to end the problem before IBM did. | Nov 01 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Just SCO has been completely resistant to dieing. | Nov 01 23:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] olhos lindos e encantadores... | Nov 01 23:24 | |
| cubezzz | it's funny, I remember I saw Gates and his Dad on WNED, talking about education but never mentioning wikipedia once | Nov 01 23:24 |
| cubezzz | then Gates and Jobs were at this big media event | Nov 01 23:25 |
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| cubezzz | the interviewer starts talking about Xerox and Linux | Nov 01 23:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Andar provocante e sexy... | Nov 01 23:25 | |
| cubezzz | neither man could bring themselves to even say the word Linux or Xerox | Nov 01 23:25 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 01 23:25 |
| cubezzz | I thought that was extremely petty | Nov 01 23:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SteveBallmer and #BillGates Find a Second Home in the #WhiteHouse http://ping.fm/8v7fG | Nov 01 23:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Simpática, gira e atraente.... | Nov 01 23:27 | |
| cubezzz | Jobs was at Xerox, he saw the Alto | Nov 01 23:27 |
| cubezzz | Xerox really really missed the boat big-time | Nov 01 23:27 |
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| MinceR | iirc gates saw the alto, too | Nov 01 23:28 |
| cubezzz | Allchin sounds like a real son of a gun | Nov 01 23:29 |
| cubezzz | Xerox was so far ahead | Nov 01 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Just like IBM did cubezzz | Nov 01 23:30 |
| oiaohm | With the XT. | Nov 01 23:30 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: do you want to run your program? | Nov 01 23:30 |
| MinceR | what made the XT special? | Nov 01 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I didn't mean to sort of 'hijack' it | Nov 01 23:31 |
| trmanco | you run it | Nov 01 23:31 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, but there were portable computers before the XT | Nov 01 23:31 |
| trmanco | I don't have the time I use to have | Nov 01 23:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Faz me sentir feliz.... | Nov 01 23:31 | |
| cubezzz | IBM 5100 I seem to remember | Nov 01 23:31 |
| schestowitz | It's just that I needed it when you were away | Nov 01 23:31 |
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| oiaohm | XT was cheap aimed at the home market. cubezzz | Nov 01 23:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Hello World! | Nov 01 23:31 |
| cubezzz | true | Nov 01 23:31 |
| oiaohm | Also designed mostly like a mainframe. | Nov 01 23:31 |
| oiaohm | So it could be cloned simply. | Nov 01 23:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks a lot for the libre s/w | Nov 01 23:32 |
| cubezzz | "developed at the IBM Palo Alto Scientific Center in 1973" | Nov 01 23:32 |
| trmanco | you're welcome | Nov 01 23:32 |
| cubezzz | Xerox was in Palo Alto also was it not? | Nov 01 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Yep. cubezzz | Nov 01 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Now if IBM and Xerox had of teams up in those days we would have end up with a way different computer world. | Nov 01 23:33 |
| cubezzz | IBM didn't seem to make microprocessors | Nov 01 23:33 |
| cubezzz | unless I'm mistaken | Nov 01 23:34 |
| cubezzz | for PCs | Nov 01 23:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Por vezes fico sem palavras... | Nov 01 23:34 | |
| oiaohm | Only 1 chip in the XT came from IBM. | Nov 01 23:35 |
| oiaohm | The BIOS. | Nov 01 23:35 |
| oiaohm | IBM was not expecting to be making large numbers so it was not worth there time making short runs of chips. | Nov 01 23:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Mal posso esperar para me meter noutra aventura destas novamente.... | Nov 01 23:37 | |
| cubezzz | does IBM bother making PCs now? | Nov 01 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Workstations yes. Power PC based cubezzz | Nov 01 23:38 |
| MinceR | they've sold their personal computing division to lenovo | Nov 01 23:38 |
| cubezzz | they still make microprocessors I see | Nov 01 23:40 |
| cubezzz | or at least they developed them | Nov 01 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Yep buy a game console pay IBM for the chip cubezzz | Nov 01 23:42 |
| cubezzz | actually I don't buy game consoles :) | Nov 01 23:42 |
| cubezzz | I used to back in the sega genesis days | Nov 01 23:42 |
| oiaohm | The mondern day xbox 360 ps3 and wii IBM was in the development of all thoses cpus. | Nov 01 23:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Bought Windows 7 – Windows 8 on way! & Dubious Twitter users? http://tinyurl.com/ybxuyxp #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #linux #foss | Nov 01 23:45 | |
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| cubezzz | ok I think I'm clear on the Unix situation now | Nov 01 23:51 |
| cubezzz | "Novell transferred the rights to the UNIX trademark and the specification (that subsequently became the Single UNIX Specification) to The Open Group (at the time X/Open Company)" | Nov 01 23:51 |
| cubezzz | "Simultaneously, it sold the UNIX source code and the product implementation (UNIXWARE) to SCO. The Open Group also owns the trademark UNIXWARE, transferred to them from SCO more recently." | Nov 01 23:52 |
| cubezzz | so I guess that The Open Group "owns" Unix | Nov 01 23:53 |
| cubezzz | not Novell, and not SCO | Nov 01 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Note the very Unix source code that Novell was hammered for tainting with BSD. | Nov 01 23:53 |
| oiaohm | So forcing the transfer to the Open Group of the Unix name as settlement. | Nov 01 23:53 |
| *cubezzz nods | Nov 01 23:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft hatred? I don't see that. I call it "dissatisfaction" I have no problem with large proprietary firms. #microsoft | Nov 01 23:55 | |
| oiaohm | Basically SCO was working with a tainted source base to start off with. And the specification is the design document of what SCO has. IE over laps kinda to be expected. | Nov 01 23:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For me I dislike Microsoft products because they are not fit for my purpose (that and FOSS alternatives offer the same for free) #microsoft | Nov 01 23:56 | |
| schestowitz | [23:22] <oiaohm> When it turned out SCO was going to lose. Novell stepped in to end the problem before IBM did. | Nov 01 23:59 |
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