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| schestowitz | oiaohm: you use Deb, right? | Nov 03 00:01 |
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| oiaohm | Debian as core. Just because I am too lazy to reformat. | Nov 03 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: what do you mean? | Nov 03 00:02 |
| oiaohm | I run a lot of other distributions in openvz schestowitz | Nov 03 00:03 |
| oiaohm | I cannot wait for X11 to work from there without major hacking. | Nov 03 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: server? | Nov 03 00:06 |
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| oiaohm | This is my test bed schestowitz | Nov 03 00:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techcentral.co.za/ubuntus-koala-is-loveable-but-can-bite/11042/ | Nov 03 00:08 |
| oiaohm | To make sure Ideas I have will work. | Nov 03 00:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i was thinking your sauna computer link would be an abacus | Nov 03 00:09 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.liliputing.com/2009/11/quake-iii-hd-video-demoed-on-netbooks-with-gma-500-graphics-moblin-linux.html | Nov 03 00:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Quake III, HD video demoed on netbooks with GMA 500 graphics, Moblin Linux .::. Size~: 32.48 KB | Nov 03 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... boring video | Nov 03 00:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The hard part of a 100-core CPU is not the 100 cores - it's networking them. http://bit.ly/33toed | Nov 03 00:21 | |
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| yuhong | I just upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10. | Nov 03 00:23 |
| yuhong | My Ubuntu system feel much better after the upgrade | Nov 03 00:23 |
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| oiaohm | Scary thing look at the 100 core design and its got everything bar a video card to build like a netbook. | Nov 03 00:24 |
| yuhong | KMS and a new Intel graphic driver made a gread difference for me. | Nov 03 00:24 |
| yuhong | This is why I mention that my other dual-boot system is a Vista OEM preload: | Nov 03 00:25 |
| yuhong | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16678 | Nov 03 00:25 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: good stuff | Nov 03 00:25 |
| yuhong | And no more annoying oops during DOS debug sessions using dosemu too. | Nov 03 00:26 |
| yuhong | VT switches are faster, no more annoying X server restarts. | Nov 03 00:27 |
| yuhong | Anyway, have you read the DailyTech link I just mentioned above? You will see why I often mention that the Vista side of the dual-boot is an OEM preload. | Nov 03 00:29 |
| oiaohm | And kernel panic works yuhong | Nov 03 00:29 |
| oiaohm | So if it does happen you get the message what went wrong. | Nov 03 00:29 |
| yuhong | Yep, that helps too, though I rarely have see my Ubuntu system freeze. | Nov 03 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Sooner all video drivers on linux are KMS the better. | Nov 03 00:31 |
| yuhong | The main problem with the system because of the upgrade, though, were not kernel panics. | Nov 03 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Hmm apple is needing more than Ubuntu. | Nov 03 00:32 |
| yuhong | It was that occasionally the X server would restart due to an error. | Nov 03 00:33 |
| yuhong | I once read the error message from the log file, but I forgot what was it was now. | Nov 03 00:34 |
| oiaohm | No upgrade is without risks. | Nov 03 00:34 |
| yuhong | I mean before the upgrade. | Nov 03 00:34 |
| yuhong | And because the log files has been overwritten since the upgrade, I can't get it now. | Nov 03 00:35 |
| yuhong | Anyway, the most annoying thing about that error is that after the X server restart, VT switching do not work anymore. | Nov 03 00:36 |
| yuhong | Particularly because of the lack of KMS. | Nov 03 00:37 |
| yuhong | After the upgrade, I no longer see this error, and if I do see the error again, KMS will help VT switching remain working properly. | Nov 03 00:37 |
| yuhong | The upgrade went fine and eliminated a lot of the annoyance. | Nov 03 00:38 |
| yuhong | Just to make this clear. | Nov 03 00:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ciphergoth We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to re-instate #davidnutt http://j.mp/pGI2I | Nov 03 00:43 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Petition to: Re-instate Professor David Nutt. | Number10.gov.uk .::. Size~: 23.95 KB | Nov 03 00:43 |
| cubezzz | I can't get fedora 11 to ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X | Nov 03 00:46 |
| cubezzz | weird | Nov 03 00:46 |
| oiaohm | They have removed zap cubezzz | Nov 03 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Really SAK in kernel is a better sledge hammer. | Nov 03 00:47 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I just go init 1 | Nov 03 00:47 |
| cubezzz | then back to init 5 | Nov 03 00:47 |
| oiaohm | SAK can be assigned to any combination. | Nov 03 00:48 |
| cubezzz | and just in case I have a ssh connection | Nov 03 00:48 |
| oiaohm | It kills all processed connected to a particular virtual terminal. | Nov 03 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Yes alll | Nov 03 00:48 |
| cubezzz | is there BSD on ARM? | Nov 03 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is cubezzz | Nov 03 00:51 |
| oiaohm | http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/arm.html cubezzz its a tier 2. | Nov 03 00:52 |
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| cubezzz | ah, I see | Nov 03 00:54 |
| oiaohm | freebsd is found inside some routers that are arm. | Nov 03 00:54 |
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| cubezzz | I'm a bit disappointed with routers not working lately | Nov 03 00:55 |
| cubezzz | they do strange things sometimes | Nov 03 00:55 |
| cubezzz | some linksys go to "sleep" | Nov 03 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Have you replaced the firmware with non vxworks. | Nov 03 00:56 |
| cubezzz | they can't self-correct back to normal | Nov 03 00:56 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, no not on customer's unit | Nov 03 00:56 |
| cubezzz | dlink sometimes does strange things too | Nov 03 00:56 |
| oiaohm | I have ended up doing it on customer units to get rid of that problem. | Nov 03 00:56 |
| oiaohm | dlink I custom patch there firmwares. | Nov 03 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Or use open source replacements. | Nov 03 00:57 |
| cubezzz | DI-704P is very old, so yeah I will replace it | Nov 03 00:57 |
| cubezzz | is there anything you recommend? | Nov 03 00:57 |
| cubezzz | like specific manufacturer or model #'s | Nov 03 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Most these days I am doing replacements of firewares because every manufacturers firmware has bugs that are annoying and they take too long to release updates. | Nov 03 00:58 |
| oiaohm | So something open source firmware supporting cubezzz | Nov 03 00:59 |
| cubezzz | also ac adapter is usually crap | Nov 03 00:59 |
| oiaohm | I have had dlinks rendered usless by dlink update. Ok not quite usless. Must use IE to operate interface and other crap from the closed firmware. | Nov 03 01:00 |
| oiaohm | And others. | Nov 03 01:00 |
| oiaohm | These days I don't trust the hardware makers of them any more. | Nov 03 01:01 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Nov 03 01:01 |
| cubezzz | obviously ISPs must use better stuff :) | Nov 03 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Hardware wise no. | Nov 03 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Just aquire stuff we can gut. | Nov 03 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Cutting out all the trouble making stuff. | Nov 03 01:02 |
| cubezzz | Not sure I follow you | Nov 03 01:03 |
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| oiaohm | As long as we can insert our own firmwares ie gut them of there crap. No problems. | Nov 03 01:04 |
| cubezzz | ah I see | Nov 03 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Thinking lots of dlinks running Linux internally is really really stupid not to work with firefox or other browsers. | Nov 03 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Remember just because they are Linux inside does not make them all OS friendly. | Nov 03 01:07 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I didn't realize some dlinks had linux inside | Nov 03 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Lot of routers do cubezzz | Nov 03 01:10 |
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| oiaohm | They are either Linux freebsd or vxworks. | Nov 03 01:11 |
| cubezzz | yes, I know about WRT54GL | Nov 03 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Highest percentage Linux. | Nov 03 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Hmm is that old or new taging. new taging L is linux. | Nov 03 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Yep a penguin cubezzz | Nov 03 01:13 |
| oiaohm | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1934567,00.asp | Nov 03 01:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] File Sharers spend more! – Or so quotes the BBC - http://tinyurl.com/ygzw2al #bbc #tpb #piratebay #bt | Nov 03 01:14 | |
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| oiaohm | The WRT54G is wxworks. | Nov 03 01:14 |
| oiaohm | WRT54G has less internal memory but is basically the same chip set. | Nov 03 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Install openwrt on it and its feature list and stablity will go threw roof cubezzz | Nov 03 01:15 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember of WRT54GL support distance locking on wireless. | Nov 03 01:17 |
| cubezzz | yes I've been meaning to try that | Nov 03 01:17 |
| oiaohm | yes a lot more secuiry options are on hand. | Nov 03 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Some you can set in meters how far someone can be away from it and connect. | Nov 03 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation uses WMV. Bad bad bad. http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1120 | Nov 03 01:20 |
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| oiaohm | The factory firmware provides you with less than half the features the device can do cubezzz | Nov 03 01:20 |
| oiaohm | That was provided by Cisco on that format. | Nov 03 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Most Linux foundation videos are ogg | Nov 03 01:20 |
| oiaohm | People don't think of rounters as PC's. | Nov 03 01:23 |
| oiaohm | openwrt can be installed on a normal PC and have machine operate like a router. | Nov 03 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Nov 03 01:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Indiana Republicans are trying to hijack our congressional districts under the guise of "neutrality" | Nov 03 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt they'll get away with it, the House has to approve these things, and it's got a slight majority of Democrats, and under House rules, the speaker can shelf any legislation from the Senate and keep the House version from being voted on | Nov 03 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | this is probably just a stunt so they can say "See! Those damned Democrats are at it again!" | Nov 03 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | the speaker used that ability for the last few years to refuse a vote on a constitutional amendment illegalizing same-sex marriage that the Senate keeps passing | Nov 03 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | (It's already illegal under statute) | Nov 03 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | It kind of makes me wonder if Indiana's Senate Republicans actually do anything other than this constant mental masturbation | Nov 03 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, CentOS 5.4 was utterly destroyed in benchmark comparisons with OpenSuse 11.2 RC 1 and Ubuntu 9.10 | Nov 03 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=centos_54_comparison&num=1 | Nov 03 02:10 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8337729.stm | Nov 03 02:42 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/20/business/20jobs.html | Nov 03 02:47 |
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| DaemonFC | That's always made me laught | Nov 03 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | Bush tried to call burger flipping jobs "manufacturing" | Nov 03 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | to hide the mass exodus of real manufacturing jobs that paid living wages | Nov 03 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | *laugh | Nov 03 02:48 |
| oiaohm | No wants to cover up the effect of robots. | Nov 03 02:49 |
| oiaohm | So far no one has a robot that can burger flip yet. | Nov 03 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Dependably. | Nov 03 02:49 |
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| cubezzz | burger flipper could be "burger manufacturer" :) | Nov 03 02:54 |
| cubezzz | instead of a raise you get a title | Nov 03 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, So what happens when automation takes jobs away? | Nov 03 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | you end up with millions of people that have no jobs and either join the army or go homeless, right? | Nov 03 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | I can see the new military recruitment videos now..... "HUNGRY?" "TIRED?" "NEED A SHOWER?" "GETTING COLD ON THAT PARK BENCH?" "There's a place for you in the Army!" | Nov 03 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | seems like that's the only thing that's hiring anymore that pays any kind of money or has any real kind of benefits package | Nov 03 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's sad, because the $4 Trillion spent on just Iraq alone would have provided a hell of a lot of good paying jobs rebuilding our shitty infrastructure | Nov 03 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | new roads, new bridges, new power plants, dam upgrades in high risk areas like out in California where they depend on a 100 year old system of ad hoc earthfill levies that an earthquake could easily destroy | Nov 03 03:00 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, there is always a need to repair things | Nov 03 03:00 |
| cubezzz | so if you can fix computers or robots say, then you have a perma-job | Nov 03 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Instead of building infrastructure, Bush wasted all our money on Iraq | Nov 03 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | while a major US city was left to drown | Nov 03 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's inexcusable | Nov 03 03:00 |
| cubezzz | yeah you are quite right, it's very bad | Nov 03 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, He should have been impeached for that alone | Nov 03 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | along with Dickhead Cheney | Nov 03 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | along with countless other crimes and incidents of gross incompetance or negligence | Nov 03 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment against Bush, but the list of reasons was too short and he didn't include Cheney on them | Nov 03 03:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I wouldn't vote to impeach Bush if we were going to get President Cheney out of the deal, so I'm not surprised Pelosi wasn't hearing any of it | Nov 03 03:03 |
| cubezzz | in Canada in years past I heard people say that the US was "The Land of Opportunity" | Nov 03 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, If Canada isn't taking the beating that we are, there's only really one reason | Nov 03 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | employers don't have to foot the health insurance premiums they do here | Nov 03 03:06 |
| cubezzz | plus we don't spent tons of money on our military | Nov 03 03:07 |
| cubezzz | lower population | Nov 03 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Even that isn't really saving their manufacturing industry, just means that it's not getting clobbered | Nov 03 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | the population there is lower and aging | Nov 03 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | so a lot of Canadian companies are actually opening manufacturing plants in the US | Nov 03 03:07 |
| cubezzz | one time I tried to find a pair of shoes made in Canada :) | Nov 03 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen a few cases of that happening in Indiana | Nov 03 03:08 |
| cubezzz | There is a place that makes dress shoes | Nov 03 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I'm not real big on name brand shoes | Nov 03 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | they tend to wear out just as fast as discount store no names | Nov 03 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | they just cost more | Nov 03 03:08 |
| cubezzz | I used to wear Kodiak boots a lot | Nov 03 03:09 |
| cubezzz | probably they are made in China | Nov 03 03:09 |
| cubezzz | nowadays | Nov 03 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I have a few pairs of name brand shoes, one I wear, and a couple pairs for when these wear out | Nov 03 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | cause I can get them from the factory outlet store for like less than half | Nov 03 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | so I just buy all my shoes like 3-4 pairs at a time | Nov 03 03:10 |
| cubezzz | shoes are cheaper now than when I was in High School | Nov 03 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's hard to find them in my size, so that's why I tend to hoard them | Nov 03 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | It's really hard to find a 15 EEE | Nov 03 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of discounters like Walmart don't even sell them, but sometimes I can get away with a 14 just cause everyones sizes are different | Nov 03 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | those Dr. Scholls size 14 shoes at Walmart fit, I used to get them as work shoes | Nov 03 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | I never buy name brand groceries, personal items, etc. | Nov 03 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | those are the biggest scam they have | Nov 03 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | great way to add $80 a month to your grocery bill for no reason | Nov 03 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | they make designer everything, it's crazy | Nov 03 03:15 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I take USA 12. I do buy some brand shoes but its based on quality. I wear plasic under my feet to correct my defective feet. | Nov 03 03:17 |
| oiaohm | So shoe must be truly solid. | Nov 03 03:17 |
| oiaohm | A cheep non solid shoe due to feet will be lucky to last 3 months. | Nov 03 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Well, I'm a big person, and it's frustrating when they design everything from cars to shoes around the "average" person | Nov 03 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | makes clothes shopping difficult and driving anything less than a midsize car impossible | Nov 03 03:19 |
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| DaemonFC | I made the mistake of trying to take an 1600 mile (round) trip in a Dodge Neon | Nov 03 03:19 |
| oiaohm | Next time looking for car look at suzuki . Yes its strange but they seam to design for the above average person. | Nov 03 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | thought I'd be clever and rent that real cheap | Nov 03 03:19 |
| oiaohm | While cars are insanely small outside. | Nov 03 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | and I ended up having to spend $50 getting my back adjusted by the chiropractor when I got back | Nov 03 03:20 |
| oiaohm | Ie length. | Nov 03 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | I jsut cannot deal with that again | Nov 03 03:20 |
| oiaohm | I am 6 foot 4 | Nov 03 03:20 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are a bit taller than me DaemonFC | Nov 03 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | same height | Nov 03 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | about 230 pounds | Nov 03 03:21 |
| oiaohm | So suzuki jimmy would fit you perfectly. | Nov 03 03:22 |
| oiaohm | As long as no one is in the back seat. | Nov 03 03:22 |
| oiaohm | yes its almost half the length of a normal car. | Nov 03 03:22 |
| oiaohm | I found out about them because was trying to work out why secuirty firms here were using them. There guards fitted. | Nov 03 03:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: if you don't know they would be the last car you would think you could fit in. | Nov 03 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Just depends on what's on the lot | Nov 03 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | They have a lot of Fords | Nov 03 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | I think Ford will definitely outlive GM and Chrysler come to think of it | Nov 03 03:27 |
| oiaohm | There should be a few GM's over there that fit you great as well. Holden utes here also fit me great. | Nov 03 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | they saw what a shit deal TARP would have been and worked out their own problems | Nov 03 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 03 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't have a GM car, too many problems | Nov 03 03:28 |
| oiaohm | That is right. I forgot Australia takes the GM engine block and builds the rest. | Nov 03 03:29 |
| oiaohm | What I want is one of the customs. Half prime mover half ute. | Nov 03 03:29 |
| oiaohm | V12 engine ute front. Removable tray to expose a prime mover connection plate. | Nov 03 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Of course the duel back wheels kinda gives it away. | Nov 03 03:31 |
| oiaohm | What that cannot move is not going to be moved any time soon. | Nov 03 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, one of Ford's big mistakes was ruining the Taurus SHO '97-'99 and then killing it | Nov 03 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | they brought it back in '09 though | Nov 03 03:33 |
| oiaohm | That custom is also very fuel effective. | Nov 03 03:33 |
| oiaohm | It can shutdown all bar 4 cylinders when the power is not required. | Nov 03 03:33 |
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| oiaohm | Do you have any groups like that over in the USA DaemonFC | Nov 03 03:34 |
| oiaohm | That build custom hybreds. | Nov 03 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Ford had something like that in their pickup trucks | Nov 03 03:35 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Build #USB charger with 9v battery http://ur1.ca/f0g6 | Nov 03 03:55 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #ZFS adds awesome feature, but #btrfs is still better http://ur1.ca/f0ga | Nov 03 04:00 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Dell will soon file for bankruptcy http://ur1.ca/f0gn | Nov 03 04:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interesting October Web Statistics http://ur1.ca/f0rz Linux 15 times the market share of #Vista7 :-p | Nov 03 07:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Win for #GNU #Linux at #VAR Thesaurus http://bit.ly/28wXyD | Nov 03 07:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Skype Could Appease #FreeSoftware Needs, on #GNU #Linux Only http://bit.ly/3Rf0xH | Nov 03 07:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Games Like #Quake 3 Runs Fine on #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/f0sd | Nov 03 08:01 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | well duh | Nov 03 08:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | quake3 is very low end | Nov 03 08:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE News and Reviews, New Features http://ur1.ca/f0se http://ur1.ca/f0sf http://ur1.ca/f0sg http://ur1.ca/f0sh | Nov 03 08:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Distributions #Benchmark Shows Big Performance Difference http://bit.ly/4BISf1 | Nov 03 08:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sabayon #Linux 5 Received Good #Review http://bit.ly/3oGKbo | Nov 03 08:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Involves the Users Community http://bit.ly/2rLSFw | Nov 03 08:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Package Management Improved Significantly http://ur1.ca/f0sz http://ur1.ca/f0t0 | Nov 03 08:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10: It Just Works http://ur1.ca/f0t3 http://ur1.ca/f0t4 http://ur1.ca/f0t5 | Nov 03 08:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Many #Variants of #Ubuntu 9.10 http://ur1.ca/eysh http://ur1.ca/f0tg http://ur1.ca/f0th | Nov 03 08:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] People have weird ideas about aviation. Landing on a taxiway is indeed more dangerous than being distracted by laptops: http://bit.ly/1KDIfA | Nov 03 08:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux / #FreeSoftware Managing to Sell at Less Than Free (Android) http://ur1.ca/f0tk | Nov 03 08:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Multicore #Linux #Phones Are Coming http://bit.ly/1wAaro | Nov 03 08:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS Sub-notebooks to Run #GNU #Linux (Because "It's Better with Linux") http://ur1.ca/f0tp | Nov 03 08:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i was v pleased that 9.10 Just Worked on this Portege R600 - lotsa web reports of problems even up to 9.04. but flawless so far | Nov 03 08:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #FreeSoftware in #Science http://ur1.ca/f0ua http://ur1.ca/f0uc http://ur1.ca/f0ue | Nov 03 08:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i am deeply cynical of skype only opensourcing the unimportant bit. cf. helix player. it's another way to be pseudo-open. | Nov 03 08:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Personal Stories from #Google Summer of Code and #FSFE http://ur1.ca/f0uf http://ur1.ca/en4c | Nov 03 08:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Presentation About #Apache Progress http://ur1.ca/f0ul | Nov 03 08:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SirsiDynix Learns That Dissing #FreeSoftware Leads to Huge #Disaster http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6704622.html | Nov 03 08:51 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | lets see how the bot handles the recycle symbol for retweets | Nov 03 08:54 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: #SirsiDynix Learns That Dissing #FreeSoftware Leads to Huge #Disaster http://ur1.ca/f0uq | Nov 03 08:55 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: SirsiDynix Report on Open Source: Promoting Debate or Sowing Fear? - 10/30/2009 - Library Journal .::. Size~: 98.6 KB | Nov 03 08:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol it did it | Nov 03 08:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #India Puts #FreeSoftware in #Schools , Gets #GSOC Help http://ur1.ca/f0ux http://ur1.ca/f0uy | Nov 03 08:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz android is *not* GNU/Linux. It's barely Linux. | Nov 03 08:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Proving Disruptive, #Qualcomm Explains Why it Joined http://ur1.ca/f0v0 http://ur1.ca/f0v2 | Nov 03 08:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Chauvinist's Code Saved by Feminists http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28971/1090/ #FreeSoftware | Nov 03 08:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GoogleWave in Review - First Impressions http://www.daniweb.com/news/story235180.html | Nov 03 09:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF and #GPL Licensing Under Attack? Good! It Means It's Winning http://bit.ly/Ui7Ln | Nov 03 09:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org 3.2.0 Has New Build, Big Plans http://ur1.ca/f0vd http://ur1.ca/f0ve | Nov 03 09:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CRM and #ERP Increasingly Lean Towards #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/f0vp | Nov 03 09:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox 3.6 Already in Beta http://ur1.ca/f0vv http://ur1.ca/f0vw http://ur1.ca/f0vy http://ur1.ca/f0vz | Nov 03 09:12 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @schestowitz: #CRM and #ERP Increasingly Lean Towards #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/f0vp | Nov 03 09:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Data Manager 0.4.0 Released, #lddsafe Born http://ur1.ca/f0wd http://ur1.ca/f0we | Nov 03 09:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Erosion of #HumanRights Now Affecting E-mail http://ur1.ca/f0wi | Nov 03 09:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tim Berners-Lee Goes to #Linux User Group http://allafrica.com/stories/200910290303.html #lug | Nov 03 09:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] WWW Goes International, Finally http://bit.ly/1Yp1uj | Nov 03 09:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Obama Pressured to Expose the ' #Acta Mafia' http://bit.ly/hvLjq | Nov 03 09:20 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @schestowitz: #India Puts #FreeSoftware in #Schools , Gets #GSOC Help http://ur1.ca/f0ux http://ur1.ca/f0uy | Nov 03 09:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK #Government Slammed by European Commission for #Phorm Offences http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8337685.stm | Nov 03 09:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Press Angry at Mandy/Hollywood Law; Lawsuits May Come Against It http://ur1.ca/f0wx http://ur1.ca/f0wy | Nov 03 09:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Vista : Numero Uno http://bit.ly/2EEh3L | Nov 03 09:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pay-to-Say #GangsterGroup Look to Appease #FreeSoftware Community http://bit.ly/3iGoH0 | Nov 03 09:34 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Twitter Rather Unsafe for Windows Users, #Conficker Abound http://ur1.ca/f0xl http://ur1.ca/f0xn | Nov 03 09:35 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Trick or Tweet? Malware Abundant in Twitter URLs | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 72.36 KB | Nov 03 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1560558/hector-ruiz-quits-global-foundries | Nov 03 09:38 |
| schestowitz | "It is alleged that, based on Hector's inside information, a fund manager at New Castle Partners, who also is alleged to have then shared the information with the hedge fund Galleon Group, went on a share-buying spree, purchasing under-valued AMD shares and subsequently profiting when AMD's share price rose in anticipation of the Global Foundries spin-off." | Nov 03 09:38 |
| schestowitz | AMD moves to the east.... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1560498/amd-butters-arabs | Nov 03 09:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/where-is-the-cyber-czar/?cs=37178 | Nov 03 09:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] So it's apparently confirmed that Skype for GNU/Linux will satisfy FOSSers http://bit.ly/2aCp5J | Nov 03 09:49 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Skype for Linux set for open source • The Register .::. Size~: 28.43 KB | Nov 03 09:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/02/sia_november_2009/ | Nov 03 09:50 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard indeed. | Nov 03 09:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard my bad. I thought ASUS had picked a generic distro | Nov 03 09:57 | |
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| cubezzz | hmmm google crawled some text files I had no links to | Nov 03 10:19 |
| cubezzz | you know about this one Roy: | Nov 03 10:23 |
| cubezzz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/26/microsoft_archive_goes_torrent/ | Nov 03 10:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft's 'dirty tricks' archive turns into hot Torrent • The Register .::. Size~: 28.76 KB | Nov 03 10:23 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Obama continues Bush policy of "state secrets" that he criticised as a candidate, issues rare press release amid scrutiny http://ur1.ca/f0zp | Nov 03 10:28 | |
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| cubezzz | Reiser vs. Microsoft seems to have disappeared | Nov 03 10:30 |
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| cubezzz | ok, you probably have it on BN | Nov 03 10:38 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, I have all those docs | Nov 03 10:39 |
| schestowitz | The files came from Grouchy | Nov 03 10:39 |
| schestowitz | He downloaded them all by modem before the site closed its door | Nov 03 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Thank goodness for that... | Nov 03 10:39 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, even the google cache seems to have disappeared | Nov 03 10:40 |
| cubezzz | there is some sort of torrent 2.7 gigs in size, but I can't find it | Nov 03 10:40 |
| cubezzz | I'll just read what you got | Nov 03 10:41 |
| cubezzz | "The ipod will drive people away from wmp" | Nov 03 10:42 |
| cubezzz | lol | Nov 03 10:42 |
| cubezzz | I wonder how they like mplayer then | Nov 03 10:42 |
| cubezzz | oops, highly confidental stuff here | Nov 03 10:44 |
| cubezzz | heh heh heh | Nov 03 10:44 |
| cubezzz | some of the stuff in there is quite old | Nov 03 10:47 |
| cubezzz | 1990 | Nov 03 10:47 |
| cubezzz | and they actually use the word FUD right in their emails | Nov 03 10:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After my visit my Mr Manga and his no argument, Ive picked up a manga follower. Are you sure? Fine, all are welcome. | Nov 03 11:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After my visit by Mr Manga and his no argument, Ive picked up a manga follower. Are you sure? Fine, all are welcome. | Nov 03 11:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Apparently Im ignorant although my detractor won't explain how. Please let me know, I'll make an article on it. | Nov 03 11:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 — Just Like #Vista — Incompatible with Vital Services http://ping.fm/Zh0Si | Nov 03 11:14 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: it's in edge-op, slated.org, and gotthefacts | Nov 03 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry, we have all the docs mirrored online in many places (as contingencies) | Nov 03 11:14 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: are you willing to go through some more docs and find smoking guns? | Nov 03 11:15 |
| schestowitz | That would help | Nov 03 11:15 |
| cubezzz | well it just seems that Microsoft view almost everyone as an enemy | Nov 03 11:19 |
| cubezzz | they are worse than standard oil | Nov 03 11:19 |
| _goblin | The faithful are not liking the KDE review and the writing about Ubuntu... | Nov 03 11:21 |
| _goblin | Ive had some of the most silly counters to what is only a review of a Linux distro. | Nov 03 11:21 |
| _goblin | Surprising...even the Balmer=Voldemort article didn't get this sort of attack.... | Nov 03 11:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Is it a full moon tonight? Seems like the perpetually baffled are out in force today. http://twitter.com/_____C | Nov 03 11:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Moving on to more interesting subjects...a whole world of Google Wave has been opened up to me now I have the time to look properly. | Nov 03 11:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What #Gartner Needs to Do to Earn Trust http://ping.fm/F4ELe #corruption | Nov 03 11:49 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: KDE4 scares Microsoft | Nov 03 12:16 |
| schestowitz | They don't attack GNOME as much | Nov 03 12:16 |
| schestowitz | GNOME is a .NET ramp to some | Nov 03 12:16 |
| _goblin | True | Nov 03 12:19 |
| _goblin | and Im off again.... | Nov 03 12:19 |
| _goblin | bbl... | Nov 03 12:19 |
| _goblin | take care all.... | Nov 03 12:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, Im off down town now....BBL happy people! | Nov 03 12:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #European #Interoperability Framework ( #EIF ) Corrupted by #Microsoft et al, Its #Lobbyists http://ping.fm/Lwshl | Nov 03 12:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] RT @freepress FCC Fine Print Could Undermine an Open Internet http://bit.ly/3wxCAM #NetNeutrality | Nov 03 12:33 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/21/apple-fans-respond-to-the-droid-does-advertising-campaign | Nov 03 12:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's such a weird notion | Nov 03 12:58 |
| schestowitz | "Apple fans" | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | You can be an APple employee | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | You can be an Apple contractor | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | But fan? | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Can you imagine "GM fans"? | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | "Enron fans" | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | "SAP fan" | Nov 03 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are GM fans | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | I know | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | They are also called retards | Nov 03 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Nov 03 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | GM owns some sports car brand | Nov 03 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I forget which | Nov 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Either way, they just help some billionaires get richer | Nov 03 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Fans.... | Nov 03 13:00 |
| schestowitz | There I was thinking you can admire celebs and athletes... | Nov 03 13:00 |
| fewa_ | GM bailout is a mess | Nov 03 13:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s #SoftwarePatents Racket Against #GNU #Linux Tightens Further http://ping.fm/sr7R4 #swpat #xandros | Nov 03 13:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ABC, not Bloomberg CNN AP, cover NSA dragnet spying cases when reporting white house PR about them http://ur1.ca/f0zp http://ur1.ca/f104 | Nov 03 13:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ABC, not Bloomberg CNN AP, covers NSA dragnet spying cases when reporting white house PR about them http://ur1.ca/f0zp http://ur1.ca/f104 | Nov 03 13:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s #PR Director and #Marketing Chief Both Send the Wrong Message http://ping.fm/ivqbk #suse | Nov 03 13:43 | |
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| schestowitz | Here's one mentioned here last week: http://techdirt.com/articles/20091030/0433306737.shtml | Nov 03 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/31/teens-sue-school-over-pun_n_340844.html | Nov 03 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | Barrack Obush? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/30/AR2009103003535.html | Nov 03 13:54 |
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| MinceR | Barorge W. Obush? | Nov 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | http://cyb3rcrim3.blogspot.com/2009/10/jurors-use-prosecutors-laptop.html | Nov 03 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: same policies in many areas, still | Nov 03 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Many people still see the ACTA without it being leaked | Nov 03 13:57 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 03 13:57 |
| schestowitz | !google obama acta | Nov 03 13:57 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - texts for nothing : Obama, ACTA, and government by secrecy | http://textsfornothing.com/blog/2009/03/12/obama-acta-and-government-by-secrecy/ | Nov 03 13:57 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Obama administration won't release secret ACTA docs either - Ars ... | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/were-not-releasing-acta-docs-says-us-again.ars | Nov 03 13:57 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Remember that ACTA treaty Obama said was too confidential to ... | http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/84m4w/remember_that_acta_treaty_obama_said_was_too/ | Nov 03 13:57 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Copyright treaty is classified for 'national security' | Politics ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10195547-38.html | Nov 03 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, copyrights and patents are now national security... | Nov 03 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Security for the income of Hollywood and others who fund both parties | Nov 03 13:58 |
| schestowitz | There's room for lots of satire here. For example, "US president denies disclosure of expenses at restaurant for "national security"" | Nov 03 14:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2009/11/skype_open_source.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed | Nov 03 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | Illicit Filesharing – Ben Bradshaw | Nov 03 14:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stephenfry.com/2009/10/19/poles-politeness-and-politics-in-the-age-of-twitter/ | Nov 03 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mysociety.org/2009/10/30/dcsf-reject-foi-health-safety/ | Nov 03 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://homembit.com/2009/10/openxml-what-i-havent-told-yet-about-the-brm.html#commentsJesper Lund Stocholm jumps in to defend the Brown bag. | Nov 03 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | Stephane Rodriguez ; "That someone such as Brown and other assholes defend the position that the meetings were not the good place for making sure the mapping would be provided is disingenuous at best." | Nov 03 14:22 |
| schestowitz | "Fuclking assholes. In 1942 Brown would we shoot for collaboration with the ennemy." | Nov 03 14:22 |
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| fewa_ | https://ecf.nyed.uscourts.gov/ | Nov 03 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/01/four-years-after-founding-kiva-hits-100-million-in-microloans/ | Nov 03 14:33 |
| fewa_ | wtf, worthless bot | Nov 03 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | Works OK | Nov 03 14:34 |
| fewa_ | yes, but why couldnt it parse that url | Nov 03 14:34 |
| fewa_ | no support for tls? | Nov 03 14:34 |
| fewa_ | /https | Nov 03 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | Sacked drugs adviser accuses Gordon Brown of meddling in cannabis decision < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/31/david-nutt-drugs-adviser-sacked > | Nov 03 14:36 |
| schestowitz | What a nutter :-) | Nov 03 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | fewa_: trmanco knows his code | Nov 03 14:37 |
| trmanco | http://ecf.nyed.uscourts.gov/ | Nov 03 14:37 |
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| trmanco | I dunno | Nov 03 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Apple insiders say that Apple's tablet won't run on Intel's Atom because they were "unimpressed" by the performance | Nov 03 14:38 |
| fewa_ | where is the code again | Nov 03 14:38 |
| fewa_ | bitbucket | Nov 03 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Windowsw 7 netbooks now marketed to kids at Walmart | Nov 03 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | they have cartoon characters on them like Spongebob | Nov 03 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | netbooks are a toy, I wondered how long it would take them to do this | Nov 03 14:40 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, did they give u one for free ? | Nov 03 14:40 |
| fewa_ | lol what a horrible thing for a kid | Nov 03 14:41 |
| fewa_ | they get a virus and then their useless | Nov 03 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Why would I take it? | Nov 03 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | an underpowered system with only 1 GB of RAM? | Nov 03 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | these netbooks are about equally powerful to my budget laptop from 2004 | Nov 03 14:42 |
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| DaemonFC | the biggest difference is they get another hour of battery life but have no disc drive, and the screen is half the size | Nov 03 14:43 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm surprised they even run Windows 7 at all | Nov 03 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1050767/linux-overtaken-hackintosh | Nov 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | http://ntouk.com/?view=plink&id=443 | Nov 03 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: a computer where you can't change the wallpaper is a toy | Nov 03 14:45 |
| schestowitz | But if you put something decent on it......... | Nov 03 14:46 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, A computer that's 6 years obsolete when it's brnd new is a toy | Nov 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | As for Apple, they have phat software | Nov 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Apple would just cannibalise Mac sales | Nov 03 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Let them do it :-) | Nov 03 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Why would you say that? | Nov 03 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | the tablet would run OS X | Nov 03 14:47 |
| schestowitz | You needn't cite fake stats | Nov 03 14:47 |
| schestowitz | http://ntouk.com/?view=plink&id=443 | Nov 03 14:48 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't know that anyone uses an underpowered gadget with a small screen as a primary PC | Nov 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | "It's somewhat ironic that the Home Office is currently advertising for a new Chief Scientific Advisor given the continuing row over the decision to sack the UK's chief drugs advisor. I wonder how long the queue of applicants will be?" | Nov 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | They didn't get the opinion they wanted | Nov 03 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | netbooks are a fad, I fully expect that they'll be forgotten in another year | Nov 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: depends on price | Nov 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: hahaha. | Nov 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Ignore the facts | Nov 03 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | and in the PC World list of "25 worst tech products" within 2 years | Nov 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | PC are becoming netbooks http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1560574/pc-netbooks | Nov 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | That's from today | Nov 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Netbooks are not for YOU | Nov 03 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I don't see it happening | Nov 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Cause you do computer stuff professionally | Nov 03 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | at least not here | Nov 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it IS happening | Nov 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Watch # of sales | Nov 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loses its pants in this | Nov 03 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Now they try to upsell a Vista7 one can actually use | Nov 03 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but how many of those are primary PCs? (Not many I'd assume), and How many customers will regret it and never buy another one? (A lot no doubt) | Nov 03 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | It's just a gut feeling that the netbook will surge and then immediately fall over and die | Nov 03 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's just too high priced for what it can do | Nov 03 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's within $100 of a real laptop that's 7-8 times faster with 3-4 times the RAM | Nov 03 14:51 |
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| DaemonFC | why would you pay steak prices for a gas station hot dog? | Nov 03 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's what I'm getting at | Nov 03 14:52 |
| schestowitz | LAMO!! http://www.boardofinnovation.com/2009/11/02/deepdyve-renting-scientific-articles/ | Nov 03 14:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Board Of Innovation » Blog Archive » DeepDyve, renting scientific articles .::. Size~: 21.07 KB | Nov 03 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Renting knowledge | Nov 03 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Like it's a car | Nov 03 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Netbook prices now start at around $350-$450 at most retailers, with $350 being the uber shitty model of course | Nov 03 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | and a real laptop is maybe $500 | Nov 03 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Nov 03 14:53 |
| schestowitz | That's because you don't see ARMS | Nov 03 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | and for that you get a fast 64-bit dual core CPU | Nov 03 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | and 4 gigs of RAM | Nov 03 14:53 |
| schestowitz | ARMs would cost less than $200 | Nov 03 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Android mostly... or Chrome OS when it arrives | Nov 03 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome-colored vapor? | Nov 03 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 03 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | promotion of fog computing | Nov 03 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | bwahaha | Nov 03 14:54 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows Azure won't go anywhere, Google stands a chance with their fog computing crap, but that's still scary | Nov 03 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is quickly trying to figure out whose fog cloud they want to be in and how to get there | Nov 03 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | The netbook device is basically a sham built around the fog computing myth | Nov 03 14:57 |
| schestowitz | http://xkcd.com/657/ | Nov 03 14:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe .::. Size~: 8.58 KB | Nov 03 14:58 |
| fewa_ | It has to be an web designed, open API | Nov 03 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | they can sell you old technology that costs next to nothing to make | Nov 03 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Cause you can do all this shit in your web browser" | Nov 03 14:58 |
| fewa_ | or it just wont be widely accepted | Nov 03 14:58 |
| fewa_ | aka HTTP | Nov 03 14:58 |
| fewa_ | it already exists | Nov 03 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't worry that the computer is shit" | Nov 03 14:58 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: fyi, you're wrong | Nov 03 15:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Clearing oasis trees felled ancient Peru civilisation - http://bit.ly/jFbej now, why does this remind me of something? #peru | Nov 03 15:05 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Clearing oasis trees felled ancient Peru civilisation - environment - 02 November 2009 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 72.74 KB | Nov 03 15:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.euractiv.com/en/science/eu-attracting-biobank-research-us/article-186956 | Nov 03 15:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: EurActiv.com - EU attracting biobank research from US | EU - European Information on Science & Research .::. Size~: 47.09 KB | Nov 03 15:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: motor-mouth would go on forever if you engage in a debate :-D | Nov 03 15:08 |
| MinceR | so i won't | Nov 03 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I disagree and can't be bother arguing anymore | Nov 03 15:08 |
| schestowitz | *bothered | Nov 03 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Cause, y'know, netbooks means Web browser *rolls eyes* | Nov 03 15:09 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 03 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Under NO circumstance run Abiword or GIMP on an Atom or Freescale chipset | Nov 03 15:09 |
| schestowitz | It will explode | Nov 03 15:09 |
| MinceR | or any ssh client | Nov 03 15:09 |
| schestowitz | !google sony exploding | Nov 03 15:09 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - A Case of Exploding Mangoes by Mohammed Hanif :: The eBook Store ... | http://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/mohammed-hanif/a-case-of-exploding-mangoes/_/R-400000000000000083810 | Nov 03 15:09 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Sony Exploding Batteries - The Chronicles - 1 year of accidents ... | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sony-Exploding-Batteries-Chronicles-37848.shtml | Nov 03 15:09 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Sony: Exploding note | Ads of the World | http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/sony_exploding_note%3Fsize%3D_original | Nov 03 15:09 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Apple in trouble with Japan over Sony's exploding batteries | http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/29/apple-in-trouble-with-japan-over-sonys-exploding-batteries/ | Nov 03 15:09 |
| MinceR | or any imap client | Nov 03 15:10 |
| MinceR | gods forbid an audio player :> | Nov 03 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Only via the 'cloud' | Nov 03 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Streamed to you | Nov 03 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Put your music collection where Big Bogggggol keeps its stash | Nov 03 15:10 |
| schestowitz | BTW: | Nov 03 15:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1518 | Nov 03 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | This is exciting | Nov 03 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how many people will notice it | Nov 03 15:11 |
| schestowitz | It's CPU-greedy | Nov 03 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Google still thinks you use Flash | Nov 03 15:11 |
| schestowitz | gnutube! | Nov 03 15:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] gnutube is finally here! http://ping.fm/mKOGO YouTube without the blobs and complexity | Nov 03 15:13 | |
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| MinceR | it would be nice if clive did viddler | Nov 03 15:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: this one is not unixy | Nov 03 15:14 |
| schestowitz | If some workplace is worried about flash holes, the admins could set it up such that flash is never installed | Nov 03 15:15 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8338946.stm | Nov 03 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia kills service: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8338476.stm | Nov 03 15:18 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #VIA #Nano 3000 series is finally out http://ur1.ca/f1ir | Nov 03 15:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What a nice project name, Epidermis http://ping.fm/hxePx | Nov 03 15:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Very few people have pointed out the fact that the press lost interest in #Vista7 faster than #VIsta circa 2007 | Nov 03 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | Mainstream press review pretends Linux is about price. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/review-ubuntu-910-first-look/article1348084/ | Nov 03 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | Given Clarke shows his real face http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/karmic_koala_frustration/ | Nov 03 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | cheesy=mutex=CPE-58-165-164-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au | Nov 03 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Left an abusive comments in BN as well last night | Nov 03 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz The material is useless now. It has zero bearing on how the company operates in the present." http://twitter.com/jperlow/statuses/5393416995 | Nov 03 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 03 16:00 |
| *BRBT_ is now known as Balrog | Nov 03 16:01 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Apparently Caterpiller is bouncing back | Nov 03 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | they said they would call my dad back when business picked up | Nov 03 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | hopefully he can get back to work there and get out of Chicago | Nov 03 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | right now he has to keep an apartment in Chicago, which is almost 200 miles from his home, so he can break even working full time there | Nov 03 16:03 |
| fewa_ | caterpiller is one of the most anti-union companies out there | Nov 03 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | just to keep health insurance cause his pills and my step-mom's pills alone cost over $1,500 a month | Nov 03 16:03 |
| fewa_ | brought in scabs | Nov 03 16:03 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: yes, SA | Nov 03 16:03 |
| schestowitz | I heard Chomsky talk about it | Nov 03 16:03 |
| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Inc.#Labor_problems | Nov 03 16:04 |
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| DaemonFC | fewa_, Every company is anti-union by nature | Nov 03 16:04 |
| schestowitz | But RMS has an issues with the bulldozer | Nov 03 16:04 |
| fewa_ | massively broke the law | Nov 03 16:04 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC's dad helps demolish homes ;-) | Nov 03 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | fewa_, So? That's not unusual | Nov 03 16:04 |
| fewa_ | and the executive turned the other cheek | Nov 03 16:04 |
| schestowitz | [16:04] <DaemonFC> fewa_, Every company is anti-union by nature | Nov 03 16:04 |
| schestowitz | The "they too" defence | Nov 03 16:04 |
| fewa_ | no, but they are one of the worst | Nov 03 16:04 |
| fewa_ | schestowitz, and its not true | Nov 03 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: "all OSes are not secure" | Nov 03 16:04 |
| fewa_ | there are democratic companies | Nov 03 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Don't blame the criminals who find loopholes in the law or don't think the penalties are harsh enough to worry about, fewa_ | Nov 03 16:04 |
| fewa_ | totally run democratically | Nov 03 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: "Google is EVIL TOO!!!1"| | Nov 03 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | blame the politicians who write weak laws, or no law at all | Nov 03 16:05 |
| fewa_ | Capitalism, a love story I believes goes into this | Nov 03 16:05 |
| fewa_ | I havn't watched it, but have watched the interviews | Nov 03 16:05 |
| fewa_ | there are democratic models | Nov 03 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | fewa_, If the penalty for breaking the law is a slap on the wrist, companies will break that law day in and day out without a second thought | Nov 03 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's a cost of doing business | Nov 03 16:05 |
| fewa_ | in fact corporations have a very week democratic model | Nov 03 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | just like the electic bill | Nov 03 16:05 |
| fewa_ | they often elect the board of directors | Nov 03 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 03 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Or they elect themselves | Nov 03 16:06 |
| fewa_ | its apartaid, certain stockholders have disproportionate votes | Nov 03 16:06 |
| schestowitz | See Icahn and his fellow crooks | Nov 03 16:06 |
| schestowitz | They took over the board | Nov 03 16:06 |
| schestowitz | At least 2 of them | Nov 03 16:06 |
| fewa_ | ie GOogle, Class A 10 votes, Class B 1 vote | Nov 03 16:06 |
| fewa_ | but still, its not impossible | Nov 03 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Carl Caponicahn | Nov 03 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | fewa_, You should take the Labor Relations training that Walmart management gets | Nov 03 16:06 |
| fewa_ | it has very much been done | Nov 03 16:06 |
| fewa_ | even in the United States | Nov 03 16:06 |
| fewa_ | look at historuy | Nov 03 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | not only do they have videos and computer training modules on it | Nov 03 16:06 |
| fewa_ | in the 1850s this sort of thing was commonplace | Nov 03 16:07 |
| fewa_ | the Lowell girls | Nov 03 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | they take you and have an 8 hour meeting on how to bust unions | Nov 03 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Call the police, have them bust up wal-mart | Nov 03 16:07 |
| fewa_ | http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Target_Employee_Free_Choice_Act_anti-union_memos,_Aug_2009 | Nov 03 16:07 |
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| DaemonFC | they take you in a group of other management trainees out to a "retreat", around this area, it's Hilger's Farm Market | Nov 03 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | and you have an all day meeting that keeps going through lunch | Nov 03 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 03 16:08 |
| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowell_Mill_Girls | Nov 03 16:08 |
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| DaemonFC | Walmart has a 1-800 number for managers to call if they suspect union organizers are around | Nov 03 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a recording that asks you to leave your name, job title, the facility you work at, and a description of what is going on | Nov 03 16:09 |
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| DaemonFC | then if it's serious enough, they fly out a group of professional union busters and hold "meetings" to give the employees the "facts" on unions | Nov 03 16:09 |
| fewa_ | "lies" | Nov 03 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | they pass out buttons and t-shirts that say "We can speak for ourselves" | Nov 03 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's a three ring circus | Nov 03 16:10 |
| fewa_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPgCzt6BRo | Nov 03 16:10 |
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| fewa_ | ie Home Improvement CEO lying about the EFCA | Nov 03 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | fewa_, Service sector unions are weak anyway | Nov 03 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | they take a weak contract that stipulates how they get paid | Nov 03 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | then they tend to fuck over the employees | Nov 03 16:11 |
| fewa_ | employees can opt out of union dues | Nov 03 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | no they can't | Nov 03 16:11 |
| fewa_ | they can pay them to a non-profit instead | Nov 03 16:11 |
| fewa_ | any 501(c)(3) non-profit | Nov 03 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that can still be $20 of their check each week | Nov 03 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | and they're not guaranteed to get a raise or benefit increase because the union is there | Nov 03 16:12 |
| schestowitz | iphones owned v | Nov 03 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | so they could end up making even less than they already do | Nov 03 16:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/iphone_hack/ | Nov 03 16:12 |
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| DaemonFC | unions can't promise you anything, all they can do is negotiate | Nov 03 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | and they usually stop negotiating once they know they'll get to take your money | Nov 03 16:13 |
| fewa_ | what can you do as an employee? | Nov 03 16:13 |
| schestowitz | That's s start | Nov 03 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | as a payroll deduction | Nov 03 16:13 |
| fewa_ | negotiate? | Nov 03 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | before you even see your check | Nov 03 16:13 |
| fewa_ | if you are organized you have more leverage | Nov 03 16:13 |
| fewa_ | clear and simply | Nov 03 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | no you don't | Nov 03 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | you have more leverage by having more skill | Nov 03 16:13 |
| schestowitz | They keep them "helpless and isolated," as RMS puts it | Nov 03 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | unions don't give you job security if you're just doing a job that anyone can do | Nov 03 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Like lone sheep | Nov 03 16:13 |
| fewa_ | you are full of defeatism and suicidal tenancies | Nov 03 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Politicians do the same | Nov 03 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | unions are only effective under two conditions, (1) Protectionism like in the case of GM before all the free trade laws | Nov 03 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | (2) You're a SKILLED laborer | Nov 03 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | neither of those really apply to Walmart | Nov 03 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | they would likely get stuck with $20 a week or so coming out of their check before they get paid | Nov 03 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | and not a lot else | Nov 03 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Wal-mart is largely wage slaver | Nov 03 16:14 |
| fewa_ | <schestowitz> Wal-mart is largely wage slaver | Nov 03 16:15 |
| fewa_ | yes | Nov 03 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Most unions representing unskilled labor are either just skimming off the top, or a yellow union that's really working for the company | Nov 03 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | and playing both sides down the middle | Nov 03 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | you're not necessarily going to see any net gain in your wages or benefits from a union | Nov 03 16:16 |
| schestowitz | They say the 'recession' is over... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/nokia_siemens/ | Nov 03 16:16 |
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| DaemonFC | what you will get from a union, for sure, is payroll-deducted weekly union fees | Nov 03 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've worked in a union before, it was a joke | Nov 03 16:16 |
| schestowitz | The only rule applying to wal-mart is "minimum wage" | Nov 03 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | the Sheet Metal Workers International Union, Local 204 | Nov 03 16:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Feinstein: Public Option Alone Will Not Solve America's Health Care & Repeal Anti-Trust Exemption #hc #publicoption http://ur1.ca/f1mc | Nov 03 16:17 | |
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| schestowitz | They'd pay a manager of a division an extra buck just so that people around him/her have "Respect" | Nov 03 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing they did for us was take out $10 a week and we were only making like $8.54 an hour | Nov 03 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Respect the "man with extra buck" | Nov 03 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | so you can imagine what I thought about the union | Nov 03 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | crooked, greedy, SOBs | Nov 03 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | I've worked in a lot of non-union shops where I made more than that | Nov 03 16:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Feinstein: In CA Kaiser & Wellpoint Control 58% Market Presence up 14% Last Year http://ur1.ca/f1md #hc09 #hc #sickcare | Nov 03 16:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | I made more than that at Walmart, before I went into management | Nov 03 16:18 |
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| DaemonFC | so unions representing unskilled labor have no bargaining power | Nov 03 16:18 |
| fewa_ | minimum wage is the greatest union of all | Nov 03 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | that goes double when the labor can be outsourced, which is what happened there | Nov 03 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | you can't bargain without any chips on the table | Nov 03 16:19 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: bar illegal workers | Nov 03 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | and unskilled labor unions have few or no chips | Nov 03 16:19 |
| fewa_ | and the united states minimum wage is one of the smallest in the country | Nov 03 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | !google uk babysitter tax | Nov 03 16:19 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - How to Claim Babysitting As Income on Taxes | eHow.co.uk | http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_4897751_claim-babysitting-income-taxes.html | Nov 03 16:19 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Babysitter Terms and Conditions | http://www.clickdocs.co.uk/babysitter-terms-and-conditions.asp%3Ftrade%3DBabysitter | Nov 03 16:19 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Government Must Approve Babysitters in UK | http://www.infowars.com/government-must-approve-babysitters-in-uk/ | Nov 03 16:19 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Defining "The Nanny Tax": Why and How Taxes Apply to Babysitters ... | http://parenting.ivillage.com/mom/finances/0,,f9pgd8kx,00.html | Nov 03 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | fewa_, What exactly was the SMWIA 204 doing to represent me? | Nov 03 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | Fuck all | Nov 03 16:19 |
| fewa_ | and Reagans' 85% on <18 due to lobbying from McDonalds | Nov 03 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | They did take my money though | Nov 03 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 03 16:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: watch your language | Nov 03 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | notice how Honda factory workers make like $12 an hour and have health insurance, there's no union there, but their employer is healthy and providing lots of good, stable jobs | Nov 03 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | GM and Ford are union and the contracts are part of what destroyed them | Nov 03 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | they're firing their $20 an hour lugnut turners left and right | Nov 03 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | What good does a union do you if it just gets everybody to the unemployment line? | Nov 03 16:21 |
| fewa_ | watching http://vimeo.com/7048714 | Nov 03 16:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Paul Collins, President of Sheetmetal Workers Local 137. on Vimeo .::. Size~: 45.39 KB | Nov 03 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | fewa_, Tell me how one goes about getting one of those "good union jobs" at a dying company like GM? | Nov 03 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | they aren't hiring, they're firing | Nov 03 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying to figure out how to get rid of their workers | Nov 03 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | they even have to pay them to go away | Nov 03 16:23 |
| fewa_ | DaemonFC, the UAW naively allied with the CEOs on opposing fuel efficiency standards | Nov 03 16:23 |
| fewa_ | that cost them | Nov 03 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | jobs like GM had are the past, fewa_ | Nov 03 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | they are not coming back | Nov 03 16:23 |
| fewa_ | weather the workers made that choice. idk | Nov 03 16:23 |
| fewa_ | also, they didn't get single-payer health care | Nov 03 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | workers would be stupid to bring the UAW into Honda or Toyota plants | Nov 03 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | they'd just leave the country | Nov 03 16:23 |
| fewa_ | a huge reason for the crash | Nov 03 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | shut down their plants | Nov 03 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | fewa_, The UAW doesn't really want single payer, they say they do | Nov 03 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | healthcare is one thing they could poit to when people said "What are you doing for the workers?" | Nov 03 16:24 |
| fewa_ | DaemonFC, its a managerial problem | Nov 03 16:24 |
| fewa_ | DaemonFC, however I have seen workers saying elsewise | Nov 03 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | Negotiating some big wasteful health plan contract that ruined GM was a propaganda chip for UAW | Nov 03 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, brb, doctor appointment | Nov 03 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 03 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | peace at lst | Nov 03 16:25 |
| schestowitz | He's admitting defeat without fighting back, IMHO | Nov 03 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Same when it comes to Free software | Nov 03 16:26 |
| fewa_ | UAW reps calling for fuel efficiency and single payer | Nov 03 16:26 |
| fewa_ | the real thing would be to make wind turbines | Nov 03 16:26 |
| fewa_ | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/8/white_house_environmental_adviser_van_jones | Nov 03 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | He would be a defeatist union leader | Nov 03 16:28 |
| fewa_ | http://www.vanjones.net/ | Nov 03 16:28 |
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| fewa_ | http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/28/van_jones_on_the_green_collar | Nov 03 16:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Van Jones on "The Green Collar Economy: How One Solution Can Fix Our Two Biggest Problems" .::. Size~: 36.69 KB | Nov 03 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 03 16:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/10/final-ooxml-update-part-i.html | Nov 03 16:30 |
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| fewa_ | We’ll call it the rise of the green Keynesians, the idea that the government is going to have to play a role in the economy, we’re going to have even more deficit spending to kind of stimulate the economy, to move us through. | Nov 03 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Alex Brown has an "employer" | Nov 03 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Himself (and another dude) | Nov 03 16:30 |
| fewa_ | " | Nov 03 16:30 |
| fewa_ | And when you look at, you know, what should you spend that money on, last time we had a stimulus, we gave out a bunch of checks to people who ran out to Wal-Mart and bought flat-screen TVs, so we stimulated the economy—it was just the Chinese economy, not this one. The smart way to do a stimulus is to invest in infrastructure. And the smart infrastructure that we need right now is infrastructure that gets the price of energy down, that gets us | Nov 03 16:30 |
| fewa_ | more energy independent. All roads point toward a major investment in clean energy, probably funded in part by deficit spending on the part of the government. " | Nov 03 16:30 |
| schestowitz | It seems like even China is more willing to go green | Nov 03 16:31 |
| schestowitz | The US loves green too.... | Nov 03 16:31 |
| schestowitz | ... the green bank notes | Nov 03 16:31 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] "Its like tipping a rapist" http://ur1.ca/f1nr #JoeBiden | Nov 03 16:35 | |
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| schestowitz | fewa_: http://homembit.com/2009/10/openxml-what-i-havent-told-yet-about-the-brm.html#comments | Nov 03 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Scroll down. Nasty comments | Nov 03 16:38 |
| *zer0c00l|Away is now known as zer0c00l` | Nov 03 16:38 | |
| fewa_ | schestowitz, you should add a network neutrality badge to your site http://www.savetheinternet.com/spread-the-word | Nov 03 16:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Link to Us | Save the Internet .::. Size~: 16.29 KB | Nov 03 16:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm too lazy for it.... | Nov 03 16:45 |
| fewa_ | I guess its a largely US-centered organization... | Nov 03 16:45 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenDocument&diff=322602933&oldid=prev | Nov 03 16:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 03 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Isn't he banned? | Nov 03 16:48 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/samj/statuses/5240293005 "[For ODF] no company has >~20% of the participation and no two companies combined have control of the TC": http://bit.ly/2RcToa | Nov 03 16:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Sam Johnston: "[For ODF] no company has ... .::. Size~: 9.98 KB | Nov 03 16:49 |
| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Comparison_of_Office_Open_XML_and_OpenDocument&diff=293114760&oldid=290590229 | Nov 03 16:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 03 16:51 |
| schestowitz | And again: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenDocument&diff=322971933&oldid=prev | Nov 03 16:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 03 16:52 |
| fewa_ | <a href="http://www.savetheinternet.com/"><img src="http://www.savetheinternet.com/sites/sti/themes/savetheinternet/images/sti_button.gif" alt="Save the Internet Now!" /></a> | Nov 03 16:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Home | Save the Internet .::. Size~: 18.16 KB | Nov 03 16:52 |
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| fewa_ | looks like this http://www.savetheinternet.com/sites/sti/themes/savetheinternet/images/sti_button.gif | Nov 03 16:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/gif type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 03 16:53 |
| fewa_ | or this http://www.savetheinternet.com/sites/sti/themes/savetheinternet/images/blog_image.jpg | Nov 03 16:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 03 16:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | see | Nov 03 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | what I wonder is | Nov 03 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | why do I microblog | Nov 03 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | if | Nov 03 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one | Nov 03 16:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | reads it | Nov 03 16:55 |
| schestowitz | http://almalivre.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/use-odf-open-document-format/ | Nov 03 16:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Use ODF (Open Document Format). « O Futuro é a Liberdade .::. Size~: 56.52 KB | Nov 03 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: people do read it | Nov 03 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Why rehearse if nobody hears it? | Nov 03 16:58 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: good idea! | Nov 03 16:59 |
| *Diablo-D3 gets drunk instead | Nov 03 16:59 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Is this even a parody of #GlennBeck? I mean, thats pretty much his entire show http://ur1.ca/f1py | Nov 03 17:00 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. .::. Size~: 121.31 KB | Nov 03 17:00 |
| schestowitz | "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. " | Nov 03 17:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | it sucks to be a foreigner | Nov 03 17:01 |
| fewa_ | wtf, youtube | Nov 03 17:02 |
| fewa_ | ill email it to you | Nov 03 17:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmLJDrsaJmk | Nov 03 17:03 |
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| *Diablo-D3 cackles | Nov 03 17:03 | |
| fewa_ | anyways it blows | Nov 03 17:03 |
| schestowitz | http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/11/2/4368554.html | Nov 03 17:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Gates Keepers :: Gates Keepers noted by Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 18.37 KB | Nov 03 17:06 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: no need | Nov 03 17:08 |
| fewa_ | this is good http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2009/10/16/4352483.html | Nov 03 17:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Gates Keepers :: Anti-bill Bill .::. Size~: 21.44 KB | Nov 03 17:11 |
| fewa_ | that initive would destroy government in washington state | Nov 03 17:11 |
| fewa_ | its a neo-con proposal | Nov 03 17:11 |
| fewa_ | or in europe called neoliberal | Nov 03 17:11 |
| fewa_ | "Shock Doctrine" | Nov 03 17:11 |
| fewa_ | by Tim Eyman, a destroyer of government | Nov 03 17:12 |
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| fewa_ | would manages to get a initive on the ballot almost every year | Nov 03 17:12 |
| fewa_ | the ones that pass hobble government | Nov 03 17:12 |
| _goblin | hello all | Nov 03 17:13 |
| fewa_ | Businesses like Microsoft have to approach such thing with truman style action | Nov 03 17:13 |
| fewa_ | they cant be evil in their places of residence | Nov 03 17:13 |
| fewa_ | truman had a social-program domestic policy for the democrats and a aggresive, destructive foreign policy for the hawks | Nov 03 17:14 |
| fewa_ | Businesses that must court educated folk tend to persue this sort of approach | Nov 03 17:15 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/13650410 | Nov 03 17:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ben Finney (bignose) 's status on Tuesday, 03-Nov-09 13:13:16 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.47 KB | Nov 03 17:15 |
| fewa_ | wow | Nov 03 17:16 |
| fewa_ | “allow derivatives” == “allow fraud” | Nov 03 17:16 |
| fewa_ | at least in the way their are allowed | Nov 03 17:16 |
| fewa_ | thats the real source of the meltdown | Nov 03 17:16 |
| fewa_ | mad speculation | Nov 03 17:16 |
| fewa_ | thats what is creating this second bubble | Nov 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I have loads of financial news to post 2nite in BN | Nov 03 17:18 |
| schestowitz | GS corruption | Nov 03 17:18 |
| schestowitz | FSF has new site design | Nov 03 17:20 |
| schestowitz | With Jeremy allison too | Nov 03 17:20 |
| fewa_ | http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Washington_Initiative_1033_%282009%29 | Nov 03 17:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @mattl new www.fsf.org homepage is up, featuring @jra @johnsu01 and @stephenfry -- thanks to @cure | Nov 03 17:20 | |
| fewa_ | similar initiative destroyed Colorado | Nov 03 17:20 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/13595520 http://identi.ca/notice/13595520 | Nov 03 17:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Matt Lee (mattl) 's status on Monday, 02-Nov-09 22:25:56 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.14 KB | Nov 03 17:21 |
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| fewa_ | http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Tim_Eyman | Nov 03 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | !google youtube boulder colorado lecture | Nov 03 17:21 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - YouTube - CU Boulder Philosophy Club, lecture on the Philosophy of ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DikhQgdkBUis | Nov 03 17:21 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - ASSETT » Video and Photo Sharing Series: YouTube | http://assett.colorado.edu/%3Fp%3D911 | Nov 03 17:21 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Engineering Links to the YouTube Age Camtasia Relay at University ... | http://caete.colorado.edu/resources/articles-papers/Mark-Dehus-TechSmith-Interview | Nov 03 17:21 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - planetarydefense.blogspot.com: YouTube Video Lecture on 2008 TC3 | http://planetarydefense.blogspot.com/2009/03/youtube-video-lecture-on-2008-tc3.html | Nov 03 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm.. never mind | Nov 03 17:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #fsf has new site up http://www.fsf.org/ | Nov 03 17:25 | |
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| schestowitz | Honduran coup leaders agree to restore ousted president to power http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/30/honduras-zelaya-deal-coup | Nov 03 17:31 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: "US citizens: phone your congresscritter in suport of the Weiner amendment for a single-payer health care system." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-sep-dec.html#02%20November%202009%20%28Urgent%20Note%3A%20Weiner%20amendment%29 | Nov 03 17:32 |
| schestowitz | http://washingtonindependent.com/58428/defense-department-conceals-data-on-detainee-deaths | Nov 03 17:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Defense Department Conceals Data on Detainee Deaths « The Washington Independent .::. Size~: 33.12 KB | Nov 03 17:33 |
| fewa_ | there is also the Kucinich Amendment for allowing states to implament single-payer | Nov 03 17:33 |
| fewa_ | schestowitz, the Weiner amendment replaces HR 3200 (the mamoth current bill) with HR 676 | Nov 03 17:34 |
| schestowitz | The heart of India is under attack http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/30/mining-india-maoists-green-hunt | Nov 03 17:34 |
| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act | Nov 03 17:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: United States National Health Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 48.58 KB | Nov 03 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Land grab by rich companies | Nov 03 17:34 |
| schestowitz | They have the people find one another instead | Nov 03 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Just like in Nigeria and Abuja | Nov 03 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Steal oil, have the locals blame and kill one another | Nov 03 17:35 |
| fewa_ | single payer was first on a federal platform with Theadore Roosevelt 100 years ago | Nov 03 17:35 |
| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_David_Dingell,_Sr. | Nov 03 17:35 |
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| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_David_Dingell,_Jr. | Nov 03 17:36 |
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| fewa_ | At the beginning of every Congress, Dingell introduces a bill providing for a national health insurance system, the same bill that his father proposed while he was in Congress. | Nov 03 17:36 |
| fewa_ | "" | Nov 03 17:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Do I have the right to refuse this search?” http://ping.fm/qTQrK Good question | Nov 03 17:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: “Do I have the right to refuse this search?” | Homeland Security Watch .::. Size~: 146.24 KB | Nov 03 17:37 |
| fewa_ | Holy shit, the Ref 71 privacy went to SCOTUS http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/SCOTUS_upholds_R-71_ban_on_petition_names | Nov 03 17:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: SCOTUS upholds R-71 ban on petition names - Ballotpedia .::. Size~: 44.08 KB | Nov 03 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Police in £9m scheme to log 'domestic extremists' http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/25/police-domestic-extremists-database | Nov 03 17:37 |
| schestowitz | haha. | Nov 03 17:37 |
| fewa_ | 8-1 that petition signatures are public | Nov 03 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Protests = 'domestic extremists' | Nov 03 17:37 |
| fewa_ | schestowitz, wow | Nov 03 17:38 |
| schestowitz | As long as they don't 'twit" | Nov 03 17:38 |
| fewa_ | oh wait | Nov 03 17:38 |
| schestowitz | They'd beat the s* out of those Twitter users :-) | Nov 03 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2009/10/7/watch_what_you_tweet | Nov 03 17:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Watch What You Tweet .::. Size~: 19.72 KB | Nov 03 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8661 | Nov 03 17:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dude, Where's Our Surgeon General? | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 24.16 KB | Nov 03 17:40 |
| fewa_ | I hate how news sites never link to the court opinions | Nov 03 17:44 |
| fewa_ | only "professional" news doesn | Nov 03 17:45 |
| fewa_ | *doesn't cite sources | Nov 03 17:45 |
| schestowitz | They don't link at all | Nov 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | They think it looks more professional I reckon | Nov 03 17:46 |
| fewa_ | more professional to note have anyhting backing you up | Nov 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | The BBC isolates links from content | Nov 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | They basically try to emulate paper | Nov 03 17:46 |
| fewa_ | "someone families with the subject" said | Nov 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Includijng the restrictions and limitation | Nov 03 17:46 |
| fewa_ | schestowitz, they actually do link | Nov 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Like pagination | Nov 03 17:46 |
| fewa_ | link to themselves | Nov 03 17:46 |
| fewa_ | its horrid | Nov 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: most don't link to themselves either | Nov 03 17:46 |
| fewa_ | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/21/us/21signatures.html?_r=1 | Nov 03 17:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.66 KB | Nov 03 17:47 |
| schestowitz | BN cross-refs a lot cause it's quick, based on post_id | Nov 03 17:47 |
| fewa_ | nytimes "tags" shit to themselves | Nov 03 17:47 |
| fewa_ | its totally useless | Nov 03 17:47 |
| fewa_ | they also track your mouse movement | Nov 03 17:47 |
| fewa_ | and scrolling | Nov 03 17:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Is there such a thing as a sour tomato? Looking at my lads face as he eats one you'd think there was... | Nov 03 17:48 | |
| schestowitz | heh. we made FP of LT.. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-03-007-35-NW-BZ-MS | Nov 03 17:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - OEM Documents Which Microsoft Labels "MICROSOFT SECRET" .::. Size~: 79.92 KB | Nov 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: yes, NYT bragged to investors about spying | Nov 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | They mine a lot of data | Nov 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | And they said this to shareholders in 2005 IIRC | Nov 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Disgusting, IMHO | Nov 03 17:50 |
| fewa_ | if your business is thought control, why wouldn't you want to spy on your users? | Nov 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Mind you, NYT is DEBT-saddld | Nov 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | And it's one of the most-read online papers, I reckon | Nov 03 17:51 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: /users/lab rats/ | Nov 03 17:51 |
| fewa_ | schestowitz, more than that | Nov 03 17:51 |
| fewa_ | they are meat | Nov 03 17:51 |
| fewa_ | each persons heart, or at least complacency, is worth money | Nov 03 17:52 |
| fewa_ | and the more educated they are the more it is worth | Nov 03 17:52 |
| fewa_ | that is why newspapers brag about their constituent's education | Nov 03 17:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/News/GNOME-Cleartext-Passwords-Bug-or-Feature | Nov 03 17:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GNOME Cleartext Passwords: Bug or Feature? / News / Online / Home - Ubuntu User .::. Size~: 18.09 KB | Nov 03 17:52 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: yes, they have a code in their passport | Nov 03 17:53 |
| schestowitz | When they are born they are printed as value | Nov 03 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Basically, human value to the economy | Nov 03 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Treated like a stock on Wall Street | Nov 03 17:53 |
| schestowitz | The same one you'd use when stating what cargo you bring by boat | Nov 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure if all passports are like that, though | Nov 03 17:54 |
| fewa_ | but while they wish to "free" the movement of consumer goods and commodities | Nov 03 17:54 |
| fewa_ | they want to restrict the trade of those humans | Nov 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Citizen=commodity :-) | Nov 03 17:54 |
| fewa_ | totally violating a central premise to Adam Smith's treatise A Wealth of Nations | Nov 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | They'd sent out a charming man/lady to explain this to us | Nov 03 17:55 |
| schestowitz | PR spinners :-) | Nov 03 17:55 |
| schestowitz | I love how they do it | Nov 03 17:55 |
| fewa_ | untimate investor class freedom | Nov 03 17:55 |
| fewa_ | zero worker class freedom, freedom of movement | Nov 03 17:55 |
| fewa_ | wtf http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/response-09A356.pdf | Nov 03 17:56 |
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| fewa_ | how does privacy have anything to do with the first amendment | Nov 03 17:56 |
| fewa_ | privacy is all in the 4th amendment | Nov 03 17:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzY2Mg | Nov 03 17:56 |
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| fewa_ | 1st == free speech 4th==freedom from intrusion, safety in ones abode, limitations on warrants | Nov 03 17:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Alguem quer partilhar o seu contacto Skype comigo? | Nov 03 17:58 | |
| schestowitz | fewa_: [sarcasm] well, freedom from intrusion is like sooooooooooooo........ old world order ;-) [sarcasm /] | Nov 03 18:01 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, gotta run now. | Nov 03 18:01 |
| fewa_ | "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." | Nov 03 18:02 |
| fewa_ | k | Nov 03 18:02 |
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| fewa | http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/21.html | Nov 03 18:13 |
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| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Enemies_Act | Nov 03 18:14 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Reading code and reference book simultaneously with !xmonad http://www.twitpic.com/o5den #cool | Nov 03 18:40 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One of the funniest parodies ever. Here is the original:http://tinyurl.com/67bx2o and here is the parody: http://tinyurl.com/yjbfray | Nov 03 18:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One of the funniest parodies ever. Here is the original: http://tinyurl.com/67bx2o and here is the parody: http://tinyurl.com/yjbfray | Nov 03 18:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT sazzlerock I wanna get #FraggleRock trending... just need about 30,000 RT's and I'm there! | Nov 03 18:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why does this always remind me of a Gillette advert? (0:39) especially: http://tinyurl.com/4nycvq | Nov 03 18:58 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube - Enterprise Intro (original) .::. Size~: 127.19 KB | Nov 03 18:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ah...excellent: http://bit.ly/vxDRd #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #borg #startrek | Nov 03 19:02 | |
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| _goblin | thats my Youtube fix done for the week I think. | Nov 03 19:08 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8339549.stm | Nov 03 19:30 |
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| DaemonFC | A Muslim-eating bear | Nov 03 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | we have to breed more of these | Nov 03 19:30 |
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| DaemonFC | bigotry, hah | Nov 03 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | funny charge for the likes of you to be making | Nov 03 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | ironic too | Nov 03 19:31 |
| fewa | intolerance | Nov 03 19:32 |
| _goblin | Ive had him on ignore for months... | Nov 03 19:32 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> A Muslim-eating bear | Nov 03 19:32 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> we have to breed more of these | Nov 03 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, a Muslim asking for tolerance | Nov 03 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | I guess everyone wants it for themselves....only | Nov 03 19:33 |
| _goblin | doesn't surprise me...I ignored him for the same type of talk months before. | Nov 03 19:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Shows Im getting used to Wave, I am now considering even non-RT posts before I type...if you get a wave invite, use it! | Nov 03 19:35 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The exact location of R'lyeh http://ur1.ca/f23a | Nov 03 19:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A really great free public DNS server 208.67.222.222 or 208.67.220.220 | Nov 03 19:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Qual a diferenca entre um rapaz normal e um geek? Um geek vai ate ao fim do mundo por um computador, um rapaz normal vai por amor ~14dy | Nov 03 19:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @Lady_R_89: Tenh qe comecar a usar strap on nos geeks, pode ser qe resulte comigo tambem -http://bit.ly/1u3e1j | Nov 03 19:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @_Goblin  205.171.2.65 and 205.171.3.65 - Level 3's public DNS server are much better, and don't mess change the records on their users | Nov 03 19:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] The best thing about me is you... | Nov 03 19:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Global "vaguely giving a shit" portal to launch http://notnews.today.com/?p=714 | Nov 03 19:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] back from second day at new job. of course, I fixed the wiki today. (now searches on TLAs!) | Nov 03 19:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "To the world you are one person, but to one person you are the world." | Nov 03 19:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "The spaces between your fingers were created so that another's could fill them in." | Nov 03 19:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @scientes Thanks for that! I'll refer them on and credit you! Regards..Goblin.. | Nov 03 20:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me vai ver umas fotos | Nov 03 20:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me wishes that he could control time, go back to Sunday, and stop time at about 15:30... | Nov 03 20:15 | |
| fewa | "U2 has donated another copy of the bassline they have used on their last eight albums." | Nov 03 20:19 |
| fewa | lol | Nov 03 20:20 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me ve as fotos outra vez... | Nov 03 20:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] hopefully mine is doing better than this HT @pigsonthewing http://twitpic.com/o4eb9 | Nov 03 21:02 | |
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| ThistleWeb | out of curiosity, anyone know if the BSOD is still blue in Windows 7? | Nov 03 21:07 |
| trmanco | I'm sure it is | Nov 03 21:07 |
| ThistleWeb | it just seems like a MS thing to do, to change the colour of the screen, and then proudly tell peeps they've eliminated the BSOD | Nov 03 21:08 |
| trmanco | will | Nov 03 21:08 |
| trmanco | well* | Nov 03 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | better not give them ideas eh? | Nov 03 21:08 |
| MinceR | they've already "eliminated" it by making it automatically reboot, didn't they? :> | Nov 03 21:08 |
| trmanco | they also haver other death screen colors | Nov 03 21:09 |
| trmanco | have* | Nov 03 21:09 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe i should make mini windoze xp, which, instead of halting, reboots :> | Nov 03 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | it feels like a vintage MS move, don't fix the problem behind it | Nov 03 21:09 |
| MinceR | (instead of cli; hlt -- jmp ffff:0000) | Nov 03 21:09 |
| MinceR | iirc they have the red bootloader error screen | Nov 03 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | maybe they sould have it flicker real fast just to distract those with epilepsy from complaining that their windows just crashed | Nov 03 21:10 |
| trmanco | xp does that because it's a feature | Nov 03 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | give them something else to think about | Nov 03 21:10 |
| trmanco | there is an option somewhere, if the os crashes to reboot or to stay blue | Nov 03 21:10 |
| MinceR | hidden in the registry | Nov 03 21:11 |
| trmanco | no | Nov 03 21:12 |
| trmanco | it's hidden | Nov 03 21:12 |
| trmanco | but not in the registry, it's really a check, apply thing | Nov 03 21:13 |
| trmanco | IIRC | Nov 03 21:13 |
| schestowitz | SiriusCorp | Nov 03 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Nov 03 21:17 | |
| schestowitz | RT @schestowitz Press lost interest in #Win7 Now we have to put up with annoying TV ads where members of public claim responsibility #weird | Nov 03 21:17 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/SiriusCorp/status/5395697880 | Nov 03 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVMy0PFr8no | Nov 03 21:17 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NASA has Windows viruses. http://ping.fm/r0o1o | Nov 03 21:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Why is Linux Chrome so fast?: http://digg.com/d318mDe?t | Nov 03 21:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Vote: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40810 | Nov 03 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: you were away, no? Tower of Hanoi? | Nov 03 21:22 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: what? | Nov 03 21:22 |
| trmanco | I'm still a little away | Nov 03 21:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @trmanco Why is Linux Chrome so fast?: http://ping.fm/R5XrP | Nov 03 21:24 | |
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| schestowitz | *sigh* Asay calls Free software collusion? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10388408-16.html | Nov 03 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: are you in a wormhole? :-) | Nov 03 21:27 |
| trmanco | nah | Nov 03 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Half away is like half pregnant | Nov 03 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | Thoughts on this? http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/News/GNOME-Cleartext-Passwords-Bug-or-Feature I found it funny. It's not a hole, it's a feeechure | Nov 03 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | Why is Rob Reilly recommending a Linux virus? http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/178621-do-the-banshee-shuffle | Nov 03 21:32 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: BN had 7033 unique IPs in the past 12 hours :-p | Nov 03 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Laggy | Nov 03 21:33 |
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| _goblin | show off! ;) | Nov 03 21:34 |
| schestowitz | fewa: the interview with Liz Warren gets quite interesting. | Nov 03 21:36 |
| schestowitz | But I thought she's an underachiever for this series with Harry Kreisler | Nov 03 21:37 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yeah, I was teasing you on purpose :-) | Nov 03 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010 is released now. #KDE 4.3.3 also. | Nov 03 21:39 | |
| fewa | schestowitz, what do you mean by "underachiever"? | Nov 03 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Check out top banner: http://theperfectarts.com/2009/11/what-is-core-files-in-linux/ | Nov 03 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: in terms of impact, no offence to her | Nov 03 21:40 |
| schestowitz | That series has some Nobel-level people | Nov 03 21:40 |
| schestowitz | fewa: but I like her! | Nov 03 21:40 |
| fewa | schestowitz, o, compared with Zinn Pauling Chomsky, etc aha | Nov 03 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Nov 03 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Also...... | Nov 03 21:41 |
| schestowitz | SHe's not 'old enough' | Nov 03 21:41 |
| fewa | she wrote the op-ed that killed the first Credit Card grab in the US | Nov 03 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I reckoned this series is to have living memory of people who pass away almost | Nov 03 21:41 |
| fewa | lessig mentions this... | Nov 03 21:41 |
| fewa | about making personal debts infernal | Nov 03 21:42 |
| schestowitz | fewa: her biography is usual for what one might expect | Nov 03 21:42 |
| fewa | but corporate debts fickle | Nov 03 21:42 |
| fewa | well she was born in Oklahoma | Nov 03 21:42 |
| fewa | what do you expect :P | Nov 03 21:42 |
| schestowitz | How much %of US popu' is in debt? | Nov 03 21:42 |
| fewa | schestowitz, more than are not | Nov 03 21:42 |
| fewa | savings in the US is negative | Nov 03 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Including household (+kids) | Nov 03 21:42 |
| schestowitz | That's what I reckoned | Nov 03 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Living in the future, which is an unknown | Nov 03 21:43 |
| fewa | in term of US dollars | Nov 03 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Making an assumption/bet about an assumption/bet | Nov 03 21:43 |
| schestowitz | How about some 3rd-level derivatives? | Nov 03 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Until it flattens | Nov 03 21:43 |
| fewa | Greenspan convinced americans to treat their home like a bank | Nov 03 21:43 |
| fewa | that is most american's biggest asset | Nov 03 21:43 |
| fewa | and most valuable | Nov 03 21:43 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_derivative | Nov 03 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: hehehe | Nov 03 21:44 |
| fewa | and then the neocon/neoliberal assholes try to take it from them | Nov 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Assuming the value retains worth | Nov 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Many people sell=no value | Nov 03 21:44 |
| fewa | _even when that is more expensive then renegotiating the morgages_ | Nov 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz | See how in Cambodia (IIRC) money flew through the streets, utterly worthless | Nov 03 21:44 |
| fewa | its a totally brutal system | Nov 03 21:44 |
| schestowitz | The US dollar too is no longer exchangeable with commodity | Nov 03 21:44 |
| fewa | schestowitz, yes it is | Nov 03 21:45 |
| schestowitz | See what happened after USSR breakup | Nov 03 21:45 |
| fewa | you can buy all sorts of things with it | Nov 03 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Oligarch thieves | Nov 03 21:45 |
| fewa | as long as you can buy something with money it has worth | Nov 03 21:45 |
| schestowitz | fewa: there is no absolute currency | Nov 03 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Not even a house | Nov 03 21:46 |
| fewa | schestowitz, exactly | Nov 03 21:46 |
| schestowitz | You could buy a house in Sudan... | Nov 03 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Won't be worth much, will it? | Nov 03 21:46 |
| fewa | you could buy a house in Russia, along with 12 other people | Nov 03 21:46 |
| fewa | schestowitz, Sudan is a media propaganda-fest | Nov 03 21:46 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Nov 03 21:46 |
| fewa | there certainly are atrocities there | Nov 03 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Khartoum has atrocities | Nov 03 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Nov 03 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it! | Nov 03 21:47 |
| fewa | but they are spun | Nov 03 21:47 |
| fewa | and there is no interest in fact | Nov 03 21:47 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Nov 03 21:47 |
| schestowitz | To make "rich uncle" will come to save Sudanese? | Nov 03 21:47 |
| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/23/new_us_strategy_for_sudan_rejects | Nov 03 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Book,marked for now (overload) | Nov 03 21:48 |
| fewa | "Well, I think Save Darfur basically—I’ve been trying to figure this out. There were different kinds of groups that went into Save Darfur for different kinds of motives. There were those who came out of the South Sudan campaign and who just assumed that Darfur was another version of South Sudan, which it wasn’t. There were those who were mainly motivated by lessons of the Rwanda genocide, and they assumed that really a time comes when you ca | Nov 03 21:48 |
| fewa | n’t sort of stop and ask, “Why is this happening?” You must first act. And if you ask them, “What’s the time?” they would say, “Genocide.” And if you ask them, “How do you know it’s genocide?” they would say, “Because we’re told so.” Now that’s the real rub: We’re told so, by whom? So that genocide has become like an ideological language used by those who want to forefront a particular issue." | Nov 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | Nov 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Didn't I see this? | Nov 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Or just the Prof. | Nov 03 21:48 |
| fewa | esp that last language | Nov 03 21:48 |
| fewa | makes alot of sense | Nov 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | http://technologytales.com/2009/11/02/a-certain-lack-of-speed/ | Nov 03 21:53 |
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| fewa | also Obama is a nobel laureate, supposedly for bringing about peace | Nov 03 21:57 |
| fewa | I think you have a romantic "great man" look on history | Nov 03 21:59 |
| fewa | such a look is fatally flawed | Nov 03 22:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Very nice new wallpapers for one's desktop: http://ping.fm/vnwt4 | Nov 03 22:00 | |
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| schestowitz | fewa: no, I was thinking about age mostly | Nov 03 22:01 |
| fewa | ahh | Nov 03 22:01 |
| fewa | well yes | Nov 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Younger people have a broader story to tell... about history. | Nov 03 22:01 |
| fewa | those other people are largely retired | Nov 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Like great depression | Nov 03 22:01 |
| fewa | what they have to say is settled | Nov 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Emeriti | Nov 03 22:01 |
| fewa | one of Warren's inititives, the consumer financial agency, is currently in congress | Nov 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | http://serverlinux.blogspot.com/2009/11/linux-ftp-transfer-and-resume.html | Nov 03 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: I'd hve to learn about that | Nov 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz | I also have no clue what Obama did for peace | Nov 03 22:08 |
| schestowitz | But I'm sure there's lots of something if he got the prize | Nov 03 22:08 |
| fewa | Grayson has said he hopes Obama will win 3 nobel peace prizes | Nov 03 22:08 |
| fewa | a second for Afghanistan | Nov 03 22:09 |
| fewa | and a third for Iraq | Nov 03 22:09 |
| fewa | :P | Nov 03 22:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 03 22:10 |
| fewa | http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/289596-3 http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/21/three-myths-about-the-consumer-financial-product-agency/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYd08e5Cjvs | Nov 03 22:12 |
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| fewa | the off-the-shelf contracts is my favorite part of it | Nov 03 22:16 |
| fewa | she's really a new deal/great society believer, very American | Nov 03 22:19 |
| schestowitz | KDE 4.3.3 | Nov 03 22:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-4-3-3-released-849080.html | Nov 03 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hola! | Nov 03 22:19 |
| schestowitz | fewa: nice one from Grayson | Nov 03 22:20 |
| schestowitz | fewa: well, she came from a rather impoverished bg in Oklahoma | Nov 03 22:20 |
| fewa | the dust bowl, like she said | Nov 03 22:20 |
| fewa | Oklahoma | Nov 03 22:20 |
| schestowitz | You'd think she was some arrogant Havardist :-) But no, climb there slowly | Nov 03 22:21 |
| fewa | I know people from that region | Nov 03 22:21 |
| schestowitz | I just think of the McVeigh bombing | Nov 03 22:21 |
| fewa | very FDR | Nov 03 22:21 |
| schestowitz | It permeates | Nov 03 22:22 |
| fewa | hit hardest by the dust bowls | Nov 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Oklahoma cite = disaster | Nov 03 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Katrina | Nov 03 22:22 |
| fewa | This Side of Paradise, F Scott | Nov 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I used to live with a Sophie McVeigh. Still couldn't help think of Timothy... | Nov 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | *thinking | Nov 03 22:22 |
| fewa | whoops | Nov 03 22:22 |
| fewa | *Grapes of Wrath | Nov 03 22:23 |
| fewa | Steinbeck | Nov 03 22:23 |
| fewa | the principal account of the dust bowl | Nov 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Places get typified by images of events | Nov 03 22:24 |
| fewa | schestowitz, with Katrina there was a massive dismantling of public institutions | Nov 03 22:24 |
| fewa | schools, libraries | Nov 03 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Product too.. | Nov 03 22:24 |
| schestowitz | SideKick... | Nov 03 22:24 |
| fewa | all privitized | Nov 03 22:24 |
| fewa | I dont know specific history, but in the US there was FDR and the new deal | Nov 03 22:24 |
| fewa | a great build up of public programs | Nov 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz | The US media seems to portray Arab culture as [tag] sand, camel, tent, sword, religion, bomb | Nov 03 22:25 |
| fewa | with massive support | Nov 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz | See Alibaba | Nov 03 22:25 |
| fewa | and a non-interventionist foreign policy | Nov 03 22:25 |
| fewa | schestowitz, your right about arab countries | Nov 03 22:26 |
| fewa | cant forget samali PIRATES! ARGGGG | Nov 03 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Didn't Warren speak of Louisiana, Mississippi, or Alabama | Nov 03 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Haha. Pirates... | Nov 03 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I forgot what pirates means... | Nov 03 22:27 |
| schestowitz | 90% I hear about it that's about dudes in costumes or people who copy files | Nov 03 22:27 |
| fewa | yes Jon Stewart had a field day on that | Nov 03 22:27 |
| schestowitz | IMHO, Arab people have many reasons to b angry | Nov 03 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I noticed Ryan's very racist remark that he made while I was at the gym | Nov 03 22:28 |
| schestowitz | He had left before I could kick him off the channel | Nov 03 22:28 |
| fewa | the US media can do that becuase many Americans have never met someone from the middle east | Nov 03 22:28 |
| fewa | esp Warren's type of backgroud | Nov 03 22:29 |
| schestowitz | CBS has just done propaganda | Nov 03 22:29 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091101/1818186751.shtml | Nov 03 22:29 |
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| fewa | central and midwest US is overwhelming scandanavian and german white, white, white | Nov 03 22:29 |
| schestowitz | fewa: I'm not sure many know what middle east it. Might be thinking of ohio | Nov 03 22:29 |
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| fewa | awesome map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg | Nov 03 22:30 |
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| fewa | meh the wiki page got rid of the great chart on immigration | Nov 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Great map | Nov 03 22:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Google Wave & other Google news : http://tinyurl.com/yg29qyt #google #wave #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #linux | Nov 03 22:32 | |
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| schestowitz | Not sure how accurate it is based on imcomplete census | Nov 03 22:32 |
| fewa | not incomplete | Nov 03 22:32 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d86faf0eff41b998 http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-359925.html | Nov 03 22:32 |
| fewa | main inaccuracy would be self-reporting | Nov 03 22:32 |
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| fewa | IMHO | Nov 03 22:33 |
| fewa | so mixed | Nov 03 22:33 |
| fewa | also, doesn't say how strong the dominent group is | Nov 03 22:33 |
| fewa | if they are really dominent | Nov 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Melting pot | Nov 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't melt so well | Nov 03 22:33 |
| fewa | melting pot is a way to disparage diversity | Nov 03 22:33 |
| fewa | "melting pot" | Nov 03 22:33 |
| fewa | to encourage integration | Nov 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | They tend to segregate in community | Nov 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | *ties | Nov 03 22:34 |
| fewa | integration in the corporate factory model | Nov 03 22:34 |
| fewa | Canada explicitly refutes "melting pot" notions | Nov 03 22:34 |
| fewa | and supports "cultural diversity" | Nov 03 22:35 |
| cubezzz | Toronto is very multi-cultural | Nov 03 22:35 |
| fewa | same with Vancouver | Nov 03 22:35 |
| cubezzz | but we are also are dominated by the Big M :-/ | Nov 03 22:35 |
| fewa | M? | Nov 03 22:35 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft :) | Nov 03 22:36 |
| fewa | ahh that C# deal the the university | Nov 03 22:36 |
| fewa | *with the | Nov 03 22:36 |
| cubezzz | but on the plus side, Microsoft can't fight FOSS very well | Nov 03 22:37 |
| fewa | schestowitz, see the Oklahoma indian population in the map? | Nov 03 22:37 |
| cubezzz | can't buy them out, can't undercut them | Nov 03 22:37 |
| fewa | that because of Andrew Jackson's trail of tears | Nov 03 22:37 |
| fewa | established Oklahoma as a "reserve" | Nov 03 22:37 |
| fewa | which was later opened up | Nov 03 22:37 |
| cubezzz | ok, in US the term is Native American, not Indian :) | Nov 03 22:37 |
| cubezzz | Indians live in India | Nov 03 22:38 |
| fewa | native american | Nov 03 22:38 |
| cubezzz | in Canada we say First Nations | Nov 03 22:38 |
| fewa | you canadians are more politically correct | Nov 03 22:38 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | fewa: BTW... | Nov 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | re Conversations with History | Nov 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Harry says at the end, well, adding questions like, "if people find this tapes, what do you want them to remember of you?" | Nov 03 22:39 |
| cubezzz | actually Canada gives abuot 2 Billion dollars to First Nations each year | Nov 03 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I guess this is why I assumed he does over 80s... | Nov 03 22:39 |
| fewa | schestowitz, yeah the tone pushes that way | Nov 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: do you know the first nations site? | Nov 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm sort of friends with the guy who runs it | Nov 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | He used to be in the same newsgroup | Nov 03 22:40 |
| cubezzz | assembly of First Nations? | Nov 03 22:40 |
| fewa | kinda like: "if this institution (the elites) reject changing policy, we can at least record it in a archive somewhere" | Nov 03 22:41 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: lots of resources/capita in CA | Nov 03 22:41 |
| cubezzz | http://www.afn.ca/ ...or? | Nov 03 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Just don't blow it on NAFTA :-) | Nov 03 22:41 |
| fewa | ie ''your' policies | Nov 03 22:41 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: nope, nm | Nov 03 22:41 |
| fewa | cubezzz, alot of that is due to legal wrangling by the tribes | Nov 03 22:41 |
| cubezzz | they got some Casinos | Nov 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Yuck. Casinos | Nov 03 22:42 |
| fewa | the Casinos here are so corrupt | Nov 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | I was in one in Motreal | Nov 03 22:42 |
| fewa | the financing of them | Nov 03 22:42 |
| fewa | and how little is spread democratically | Nov 03 22:42 |
| cubezzz | yeah, not really ideal :-/ | Nov 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Montreal is very French | Nov 03 22:42 |
| fewa | and Casinos are a tax on the poor | Nov 03 22:42 |
| fewa | poor and middle class | Nov 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Poor and foolish | Nov 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Captivated by fantasy ads | Nov 03 22:43 |
| fewa | poor and bored | Nov 03 22:43 |
| cubezzz | yes, and probably weak in math :) | Nov 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | And dreams of riches... lottery too | Nov 03 22:43 |
| fewa | emptyness | Nov 03 22:43 |
| cubezzz | don't buy 649 tickets :) | Nov 03 22:43 |
| fewa | schestowitz, I dont think really foolish | Nov 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Some do their gambling in sports | Nov 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Betting on horsies and chaps kicking a rubber ball about | Nov 03 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: gullible | Nov 03 22:43 |
| fewa | schestowitz, no | Nov 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Many people who invested in FraudStreet were gullible too | Nov 03 22:44 |
| fewa | gambling is a human condition | Nov 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | The insider trader told them it was easy money | Nov 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Then they pulled the rug | Nov 03 22:44 |
| fewa | the rich just do it "the adult way" with the stock markey | Nov 03 22:44 |
| fewa | or with human lives.... | Nov 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Markey Markey ! :-) | Nov 03 22:44 |
| fewa | Edward Markey | Nov 03 22:45 |
| fewa | Chair of the House Commerce and Energy committee | Nov 03 22:45 |
| cubezzz | remember though Gates and Buffet made their money from stocks mostly | Nov 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzY2Nw | Nov 03 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | mandriva 2010.0 is out also | Nov 03 22:45 |
| fewa | from Beverly Hills | Nov 03 22:45 |
| fewa | very powerful | Nov 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Those powerfuls are usually feeble | Nov 03 22:45 |
| fewa | part of the campaign to pretend meaningless health legislation as real | Nov 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | They compensate for physical weakness using other means | Nov 03 22:46 |
| fewa | retracting support for single payer, medicare for all, hr 676 | Nov 03 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Revenge of the Geeks | Nov 03 22:46 |
| fewa | to push a "industry-friendly" healthcare | Nov 03 22:46 |
| fewa | The reservations in the US are a horrible failure | Nov 03 22:46 |
| fewa | from what little I see | Nov 03 22:46 |
| fewa | with probably one exception: they have health care | Nov 03 22:47 |
| cubezzz | doesn't account for Ballmer though | Nov 03 22:47 |
| cubezzz | he seems power crazed | Nov 03 22:47 |
| fewa | cubezzz, that's all he has | Nov 03 22:47 |
| fewa | all he ever has had | Nov 03 22:47 |
| fewa | just happened to be in same room as BillG | Nov 03 22:47 |
| fewa | at Harvard | Nov 03 22:47 |
| fewa | not a computer person | Nov 03 22:48 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 03 22:48 |
| cubezzz | PHB without the hair | Nov 03 22:48 |
| fewa | thats why he never sells stocks | Nov 03 22:48 |
| fewa | its an extention of his person, his ego | Nov 03 22:48 |
| fewa | a real believer in business class society | Nov 03 22:49 |
| cubezzz | which one was the guy who talked about "de-commoditizing protocols" | Nov 03 22:49 |
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| fewa | cubezzz, that was a grunt, but such thinking seems pervasive among the whole upper management | Nov 03 22:50 |
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| fewa | http://catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.html | Nov 03 22:51 |
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| cubezzz | ah, I see now it was Vinod Valloppillil | Nov 03 22:51 |
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| cubezzz | an Allchin requested it | Nov 03 22:52 |
| cubezzz | and | Nov 03 22:52 |
| fewa | http://www.vinod.com/blog/ | Nov 03 22:53 |
| cubezzz | well Allchin was/is quite nasty | Nov 03 22:53 |
| cubezzz | but I don't think he's at Microsoft now | Nov 03 22:53 |
| fewa | still saw the writings on the wall | Nov 03 22:53 |
| fewa | http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/010807/PLEX_7264.pdf | Nov 03 22:54 |
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| cubezzz | fewa, checking now | Nov 03 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: allchin 'retired' | Nov 03 22:56 |
| schestowitz | !google guiter allchin | Nov 03 22:56 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Guitar news: Rosensweig to Guitar Hero, Allchin strums Enigma ... | http://blogs.computerworld.com/guitar_news_rosensweig_to_guitar_hero_allchin_strums_enigma | Nov 03 22:56 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Jim Allchin - Press | http://www.jimallchin.com/press.cfm | Nov 03 22:56 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Jim Allchin - From starving musician to Longhorn vice president ... | http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/scobleizer/Jim-Allchin-From-starving-musician-to-Longhorn-vice-president/ | Nov 03 22:56 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - CDBaby | Jim Allchin | Enigma | http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/allchin | Nov 03 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Other Vista managers quit too | Nov 03 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Fathi | Nov 03 22:57 |
| cubezzz | longhorn makes me think about devilss with pitchforks :) | Nov 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Poole | Nov 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Valentine | Nov 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: they decided to stick a fork in it | Nov 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | It was fried | Nov 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And longhorn was one big bulls*it | Nov 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Lonhorn->VIsta7 | Nov 03 22:57 |
| cubezzz | I hope Allchin remains a musician | Nov 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Still a mess | Nov 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I hope they take Jim Allchin to prison | Nov 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | The evidence is all thee | Nov 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | *there | Nov 03 22:58 |
| cubezzz | why would a Musician become such a power monger? | Nov 03 22:58 |
| cubezzz | anyway, I think Linux is strong enough to flourish | Nov 03 23:00 |
| cubezzz | it has already | Nov 03 23:00 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: he's not a musician | Nov 03 23:00 |
| schestowitz | he came from semi conductors IIRC | Nov 03 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Something texas-like Intel-ish thing | Nov 03 23:00 |
| schestowitz | It's on the Web.. his biography | Nov 03 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft snatched him many years ago | Nov 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | He was ruthless enough for them, I guess | Nov 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | "We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger….If you’re going to kill someone, there isn’t much reason to get all worked up about it and angry. You just pull the trigger. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger." -Jim Allchin | Nov 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Tell Mrs. Allchin to hide the kitchen knives :-) | Nov 03 23:01 |
| cubezzz | why would Novell even partner with Microsoft then? | Nov 03 23:01 |
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| cubezzz | schestowitz. http://www.jimallchin.com/fr_press.cfm | Nov 03 23:03 |
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| cubezzz | he does seem to really be a musician | Nov 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: that was old Novell | Nov 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Hovsepian in young and naive at Novell | Nov 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | He came from I.B.M | Nov 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Clean slate | Nov 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | They signed the deal shortly after Noorda had passed away | Nov 03 23:05 |
| cubezzz | let me look at the last 5 years of stock prices for NOVL | Nov 03 23:05 |
| cubezzz | could be interesting | Nov 03 23:05 |
| cubezzz | stock is quite low at around 4 dollars per share now | Nov 03 23:06 |
| schestowitz | It was under $3 | Nov 03 23:07 |
| fewa | Allchin's account of his own early history http://www.jimallchin.com/history.cfm | Nov 03 23:08 |
| cubezzz | yeah stock price has been falling mostly | Nov 03 23:08 |
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| cubezzz | peaked at 33.375 in Jan 2000 | Nov 03 23:08 |
| cubezzz | doesn't seem like the Microsoft deal helped them | Nov 03 23:10 |
| cubezzz | everyone seems to go crazy around 2000 | Nov 03 23:11 |
| cubezzz | SUN peaked Sept 2000 | Nov 03 23:11 |
| fewa | schestowitz, its that interview that lessig quoted in his talks | Nov 03 23:13 |
| fewa | i just heard the words quoted | Nov 03 23:14 |
| fewa | ~32-35 | Nov 03 23:16 |
| fewa | "the world is changing out there" | Nov 03 23:17 |
| fewa | ~36:00 | Nov 03 23:17 |
| cubezzz | "LH is a pig" | Nov 03 23:22 |
| fewa | dug | Nov 03 23:23 |
| cubezzz | that really means Allchin thinks Vista is a pig? | Nov 03 23:23 |
| fewa | *duh | Nov 03 23:23 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 03 23:23 |
| fewa | its obvious to anyone not on Microsoft payroll | Nov 03 23:23 |
| fewa | in the first 5 minutes of a review | Nov 03 23:23 |
| cubezzz | The guy in charge thought it was crap :) | Nov 03 23:24 |
| cubezzz | funny | Nov 03 23:24 |
| fewa | meh that EW interview was largely a recap of the middle clas speech | Nov 03 23:27 |
| fewa | but without the good diagrams and slides | Nov 03 23:27 |
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