| ThistleWeb | are we to believe it was all just a coincednce? or that MS organised it through various offices and proxies? | Nov 12 00:00 |
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| fewa | lovingcode, is it bad to enjoy soap? | Nov 12 00:00 |
| fewa | lovingcode, is it bad to enjoy murder? | Nov 12 00:00 |
| fewa | lovingcode, is it bad to enjoy lovingcode? | Nov 12 00:00 |
| fewa | its just illogical | Nov 12 00:00 |
| lovingcode | it depends how you enjoy it | Nov 12 00:00 |
| ThistleWeb | why should organised crime outfits get rewarded with tax payers money in govt contracts? | Nov 12 00:00 |
| fewa | its an appeal to emotion, and faux nationalist | Nov 12 00:00 |
| ender2070 | if you enjoy microsoft I pity you, their products are very lacking | Nov 12 00:00 |
| fewa | *nationalism | Nov 12 00:00 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: I think comparing murder and getting OOXML passed is a little jacked up | Nov 12 00:01 |
| ThistleWeb | why chould they also avoid paying their fair share in taxes in the process? | Nov 12 00:01 |
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| lovingcode | compatibility, Compatibility, COMPATABILITY! | Nov 12 00:01 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, when did I make such a comparison? | Nov 12 00:01 |
| ThistleWeb | why should they get any tax payers money in bailouts? | Nov 12 00:01 |
| FreedomOrDeath | He asked if it was bad to enjoy MS and you countered with is it bad to enjoy muder | Nov 12 00:01 |
| ThistleWeb | would the Mafia get the same deal? | Nov 12 00:01 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Sorry, I just don't like comparisons like that. | Nov 12 00:01 |
| StickyBuns | Why should anybody get bailouts? Socialism never works when used with a no consequence plan ;) | Nov 12 00:01 |
| lovingcode | do both equal yes? | Nov 12 00:01 |
| FreedomOrDeath | The Mafia did get deals like that. | Nov 12 00:01 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, you have no appreciation for context | Nov 12 00:02 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Back in the early 1900s | Nov 12 00:02 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 12 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, a trolling session is in progress | Nov 12 00:02 |
| ThistleWeb | officially sanctioned, above the table deals? I dont think so | Nov 12 00:02 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, agreed | Nov 12 00:02 |
| lovingcode | is it bad to enjoy linux? | Nov 12 00:02 |
| ThistleWeb | are the mafia wandering around the halls of power in full public, having meetings with politicians to lie to them? | Nov 12 00:02 |
| *fewa sees FreedomOrDeath and lovingcode run into illogical tangents | Nov 12 00:02 | |
| FreedomOrDeath | Anyway. My point was that what MS does as a company is no worse than ExxonMobil and Wal-Mart. The only difference is that at least ExxonMobil has good products | Nov 12 00:03 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Microsoft has just gotten lucky with selling shitty stuff. Wal-Mart, too. | Nov 12 00:03 |
| StickyBuns | Or so you think, ExxonMobil is good at hiding its crap ;) | Nov 12 00:03 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, what products? | Nov 12 00:03 |
| lovingcode | so its bad to enjoy MS but no response to is it bad to enjoy linux... | Nov 12 00:03 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | My whole thing in here in the first place was for a technological discusssion | Nov 12 00:03 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, you fundamentally misunderstand what ExxonMobil does | Nov 12 00:03 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, they sell the _access_ to natural resources | Nov 12 00:04 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: Not so much. When I was younger, my dad and my uncles all owned Exxon station. I grew up with Exxon. | Nov 12 00:04 |
| fewa | they prop up a dictaitorship, coup, etc, then sell access to those peoples natural resources | Nov 12 00:04 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lolwut? | Nov 12 00:04 |
| StickyBuns | Ah, and now the true philosophy behind this finally shows. | Nov 12 00:04 |
| fewa | These large companies are much more in the business of controling access to resources | Nov 12 00:05 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I'm not even sure how to reply to that. | Nov 12 00:05 |
| fewa | than anything else | Nov 12 00:05 |
| FreedomOrDeath | So, where do you buy your gas? | Nov 12 00:05 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, look at Shell nigeria | Nov 12 00:05 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Is there a "free" gas station near you? | Nov 12 00:05 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, most the cost of gasoline is the base cost due to demand | Nov 12 00:05 |
| fewa | thats not profit, its rent | Nov 12 00:05 |
| FreedomOrDeath | What? | Nov 12 00:05 |
| fewa | its the cost of controling the natural resource | Nov 12 00:05 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I lost you. | Nov 12 00:05 |
| fewa | not the cost of refining it, the tax, etc | Nov 12 00:06 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ExxonMobil had the largest profits ever recorded last year | Nov 12 00:06 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, exactly, but those are not "profits" in its basic definition | Nov 12 00:06 |
| fewa | profits are based on labor | Nov 12 00:06 |
| fewa | this wasn't based on labor, but upon conquest | Nov 12 00:06 |
| FreedomOrDeath | But again, it's not rent. You're not "renting" anything from Exxon. You're buying gasoline from them. | Nov 12 00:06 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - profits mean they lost less money, ie fewa is more correct now | Nov 12 00:06 |
| fewa | the controling of natural resources | Nov 12 00:06 |
| FreedomOrDeath | rent: a payment made periodically by a tenant to a landlord in return for the use of land, a building, an apartment, an office, or other property. | Nov 12 00:07 |
| fewa | why do private companies have the right to exploit natural resources to their own benifit? | Nov 12 00:07 |
| FreedomOrDeath | So, how are you renting fasoline | Nov 12 00:07 |
| fewa | don't these resources belong to everyone? | Nov 12 00:07 |
| FreedomOrDeath | *gasoline | Nov 12 00:07 |
| StickyBuns | No, they don't | Nov 12 00:07 |
| fewa | it has little to do with capitalism, and everything to do with conquest, and domination | Nov 12 00:07 |
| fewa | it also has nothing to do with productivity | Nov 12 00:07 |
| fewa | or value added | Nov 12 00:08 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I'm pretty sure Exxon didn't lose any money. | Nov 12 00:08 |
| fewa | its just random money, because Exxon controls the exploitation of those resources | Nov 12 00:08 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, if you look at the big picture they probably actually loose money | Nov 12 00:08 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, if you take into account all the money spend on military to control those resources | Nov 12 00:09 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Okay. So, who's worst? Exxon for exploiting resources and creating dictatorships that kill people or microsoft for making shitty software and controlling the market? | Nov 12 00:09 |
| StickyBuns | Military, are you serious? | Nov 12 00:09 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, what the fuck do you think Iraq was about? | Nov 12 00:09 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - precisely, since they are charging whatever instead of it being based on actual costs | Nov 12 00:09 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, are you serious? | Nov 12 00:09 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Oh here we go. Iraq was not about oil. | Nov 12 00:09 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, in both examples, a company can change whatever they want | Nov 12 00:10 |
| StickyBuns | Very serious, if you believe Exxon has any militaristic power, you have a serious misunderstanding about multi-national business are structured. | Nov 12 00:10 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Iraq was about Bush getting revenge for Saddam trying to assinate his dad | Nov 12 00:10 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, neither are based upon the quality of the good, but rather who has control over that good (in Microsoft's case there is even a question of weather it is a good at all) | Nov 12 00:10 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: My point all along was this: ExxonMobil does bad crap. Wal-Mart does bad crap, Shell does bad crap, American Airlines does bad crap and Microsoft does bad crap. | Nov 12 00:11 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, the military defends the interest of Exxon | Nov 12 00:11 |
| fewa | its all linked together | Nov 12 00:11 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | I choose to rate a company on their products, not their tactics/practices. Would it be great if there was a major comapny that made good products and did things right? Yes. Will it happen? Probably not. | Nov 12 00:11 |
| fewa | <ender2070> FreedomOrDeath - precisely, since they are charging whatever instead of it being based on actual costs | Nov 12 00:11 |
| StickyBuns | the military does nothing for Exxon, they don't have to. | Nov 12 00:11 |
| fewa | you still are not understanding that | Nov 12 00:12 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Okay. There you go | Nov 12 00:12 |
| FreedomOrDeath | That's how it'll always happen. How do I answer it? I don't pay $200 for a license of Windows. | Nov 12 00:12 |
| fewa | they wont charge based on actually cost, because they cannot make money that way | Nov 12 00:12 |
| fewa | they wont let what they sell become a free commodity, because they wouldn't make any money that way | Nov 12 00:13 |
| StickyBuns | Show me a business that charges on actual cost and I'll show you a dying business. | Nov 12 00:13 |
| FreedomOrDeath | What's wrong with making money? | Nov 12 00:13 |
| ender2070 | based on actual cost, and actual cost are different | Nov 12 00:13 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, meh, Dow, Hitachi, Dell, etc, etc | Nov 12 00:13 |
| ender2070 | theres something wrong with charging $100 for a $15 cable | Nov 12 00:13 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, nothing at all | Nov 12 00:13 |
| ender2070 | ie, Monster Cable | Nov 12 00:14 |
| FreedomOrDeath | And selling for a profit is what captailism is about. And, if you don't like capitalism, then you might want to go back to the 18th centuries and talk to the guys who decided on that market for America. | Nov 12 00:14 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ender2070: No there isn't. | Nov 12 00:14 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, United airlines, Northwest airlines, Delta airlines, UPS, USPS, FedEx | Nov 12 00:14 |
| FreedomOrDeath | It's your choice to buy that in the end | Nov 12 00:14 |
| ender2070 | its unethical | Nov 12 00:14 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol no it isn't | Nov 12 00:14 |
| ender2070 | yes it is | Nov 12 00:14 |
| StickyBuns | I assume you have data to back up those claims. | Nov 12 00:14 |
| ender2070 | they are counting on the consumer not knowing any better | Nov 12 00:14 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, those are companies operating within the basic boundaries of capitalism (and common carrier) | Nov 12 00:14 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Now, I can see it being unethical to charge extraoridnaryly high prices for the basic necessities of life (i.e. food and water), but not for things you don't need | Nov 12 00:14 |
| ender2070 | its unethical to rip someone off, and if u dont agree you're in the wrong place | Nov 12 00:15 |
| fewa | with quite honest business models, with the oppurtunity for profit | Nov 12 00:15 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | That's why it's up to the consumer to research. I research everything I buy | Nov 12 00:15 |
| StickyBuns | So, it's a moral issue and has no basis in hard fact? | Nov 12 00:15 |
| fewa | Microsoft has no such business model, theirs in based on an artificial scarcity, due to a government-granted monopoly | Nov 12 00:15 |
| fewa | or many monopolies | Nov 12 00:15 |
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| fewa | StickyBuns, no, its based on basic observations of differn't economic models | Nov 12 00:16 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - thats good for you, you're not the target being preyed upon | Nov 12 00:16 |
| norred | how did the government grant this monopoly ? | Nov 12 00:16 |
| fewa | these are not hidden | Nov 12 00:16 |
| fewa | they just are not discussed | Nov 12 00:16 |
| fewa | norred, A8, S8, C8 | Nov 12 00:16 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ender2070: this is one of the foundations for capitalist society. | Nov 12 00:16 |
| FreedomOrDeath | If you don't like it, make your own product and sell it cheaper | Nov 12 00:16 |
| fewa | norred, and a BS court case | Nov 12 00:17 |
| ender2070 | capitalism isnt a moral system | Nov 12 00:17 |
| FreedomOrDeath | A company that creates something gets to decide what the price is. That's all their is too it. | Nov 12 00:17 |
| StickyBuns | And what economic models are that? The ones that aren't supply and demand? And rush to to saturation? | Nov 12 00:17 |
| fewa | that declared that binaries could be copyrightable http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/what_if_copyright_didnt_apply_binary_executables | Nov 12 00:17 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | As someone in here said a littile while ago. Vote with your wallet. | Nov 12 00:17 |
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| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, you still completely miss the point | Nov 12 00:17 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: What is the point? | Nov 12 00:18 |
| fewa | <ender2070> FreedomOrDeath - precisely, since they are charging whatever instead of it being based on actual costs | Nov 12 00:18 |
| ender2070 | how do you vote with your wallet in the case of ubuntu including mono, they dont take money from you | Nov 12 00:18 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Whoa. | Nov 12 00:18 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I thought we were talking about evil companies. | Nov 12 00:18 |
| ender2070 | moral issues should always be talked about, regardless | Nov 12 00:18 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Okay. So, vote with your install. | Nov 12 00:18 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Don't install Ubuntu. | Nov 12 00:18 |
| fewa | extortion should be illegal in all its forms | Nov 12 00:18 |
| fewa | it clearly is not, or is not enforced | Nov 12 00:19 |
| FreedomOrDeath | And, you know, let developers do what they want. They have the freedom to use what they want. | Nov 12 00:19 |
| ender2070 | not installing ubuntu doesnt change anything | Nov 12 00:19 |
| StickyBuns | Moral issues cloud, confuse and bring about incredible bias to situations where it does not belong. | Nov 12 00:19 |
| fewa | largely because there are profits to be made through power | Nov 12 00:19 |
| StickyBuns | It is a favorite tactic of fear mongers and lobbyists | Nov 12 00:19 |
| FreedomOrDeath | There's so much talk of freedom for x and freedom for y, but what about developers. Where is there freedom? | Nov 12 00:19 |
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| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - why aren't we granted the same freedom to dislike and rant about msft? | Nov 12 00:19 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, what are you talking about? | Nov 12 00:19 |
| FreedomOrDeath | You can. | Nov 12 00:19 |
| ender2070 | you're here to say we cant | Nov 12 00:19 |
| StickyBuns | Nothing, simply thinking out loud ;) | Nov 12 00:19 |
| FreedomOrDeath | No. Actually, I'm not. | Nov 12 00:19 |
| ender2070 | then what are you here for | Nov 12 00:20 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I originally came in here to get info on why mono is so bad, since I don't fully understand the subject. | Nov 12 00:20 |
| ender2070 | all you've done is tell us we're wrong for disliking msft | Nov 12 00:20 |
| FreedomOrDeath | No | Nov 12 00:20 |
| StickyBuns | You're not wrong for disliking Microsoft. | Nov 12 00:20 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, your just a fool, you prooved in when you came in here playing sockpuppetry, and you continue now | Nov 12 00:20 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I told you why I do and don't dislike MS | Nov 12 00:20 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: lol | Nov 12 00:20 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Fool? Really? You've known me for an hour and I'm a fool. | Nov 12 00:20 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 12 00:20 |
| ender2070 | you got that info | Nov 12 00:21 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I came in here to get real, technical details. All I heard was typical anti-MS stuff. That's fine. I get it. | Nov 12 00:21 |
| fewa | nieve i suppose | Nov 12 00:21 |
| ender2070 | and for the last hour you've been arguing with us over it | Nov 12 00:21 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I told you my reasons for liking and disliking MS. Then I get called a fool. | Nov 12 00:21 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I've been arguing? Since when. This is called conversating. Not everyone sees eye-to-eye. and sometimes, talking to others can give us new light on the subject. | Nov 12 00:22 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Sometimes, it changes our mind, usually not, and that's fine. If nothing else, it helps us to understand differing opinions, making us wiser in the end. | Nov 12 00:22 |
| ender2070 | you were told we dislike mono for various reasons, some because ms is disliked, some technical and some because of irrationality. what is the point in arguing with people who don't follow your beliefs? | Nov 12 00:22 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Again, I'm not here to argue. | Nov 12 00:23 |
| ender2070 | but you are | Nov 12 00:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I'm here to conversate and learn. | Nov 12 00:23 |
| ender2070 | we give you reason x, you give us counter-reason y | Nov 12 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | 'm going to be naughty and stuff that $250 stimulus check in my savings account B-) | Nov 12 00:23 |
| norred | whats the point in arguing with someone who does follow your beliefs ? | Nov 12 00:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | If I were here to argue, I would've come in ranting and raving. But I did not. | Nov 12 00:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ender2070: That's call conversating. How boring would it be if we all thought exactly the same. | Nov 12 00:23 |
| tessier | fewa: You undermine your own argument when you call people names. | Nov 12 00:24 |
| StickyBuns | "whats the point in arguing with someone who does follow your beliefs ?" - Lets ask the Crusaders in 1066 what their solution was :) | Nov 12 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.masslive.com/holyokeplus/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-5/1257841220100210.xml&coll=1 | Nov 12 00:24 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | DaemonFC: 250 stimulus check? lucky | Nov 12 00:24 |
| fewa | tessier, your right | Nov 12 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | FreedomOrDeath, no Social Security raise this year | Nov 12 00:24 |
| fewa | I try to push people to open up | Nov 12 00:24 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I enjoy talking to people with differing opinons. | Nov 12 00:24 |
| fewa | and to make rational arguments | Nov 12 00:24 |
| FreedomOrDeath | oh ok | Nov 12 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | so we're getting $250 in January apparently | Nov 12 00:24 |
| fewa | I get sick of bullshit | Nov 12 00:24 |
| frak_ | hello | Nov 12 00:25 |
| FreedomOrDeath | It's fun for me. I get to talk to people who have a different opinion and learn from them. | Nov 12 00:25 |
| frak_ | can somebody explan to me why mono is bad? | Nov 12 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to stuff away at least some money in my checking account | Nov 12 00:25 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Unfortunetly, I don't see that a lot. | Nov 12 00:25 |
| FreedomOrDeath | frak_: no | Nov 12 00:25 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 12 00:25 |
| frak_ | :( | Nov 12 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'll manage about $85 this month *shrugs* | Nov 12 00:25 |
| frak_ | but i use opensuse and i like it because it is easy too use | Nov 12 00:25 |
| FreedomOrDeath | You'll end down a long path from Mono to OOXML to Exxon back to Microsoft. | Nov 12 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'll never be rich, but if I do that for about a year I'll be able to get a nice big ticket item of some sort | Nov 12 00:26 |
| frak_ | but ppl say to me not to use it because novell is evil and i am like D: | Nov 12 00:26 |
| StickyBuns | Don't ask about Exxon, you need a tin foil hat to understand it :) | Nov 12 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | and not have to go into debt for it | Nov 12 00:26 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I've been using Linux for a long time, but I don't get why Linux users are so afraid of real debate. | Nov 12 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | I saw a nice 40" Plasma TV at Kmart today for $600 | Nov 12 00:26 |
| frak_ | then some guy from boycottboycottnovel told me that novell was fine and i don't know who to belive D: | Nov 12 00:26 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I'm able to sit and debate with Windows lovers for hours about techincal merits and why x is better than y. Why are so many others in the community scared of debate? | Nov 12 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | I was tempted to throw it in layaway, lock in that sale price | Nov 12 00:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/11/canonicals-jono-bacon-on-the-a.html | Nov 12 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | FreedomOrDeath, One thing that miffs me about Linux is how backwards the video drivers are | Nov 12 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | you have to get binary blobs if you have hardware that's even semi-recent | Nov 12 00:27 |
| FreedomOrDeath | really? I've never had a problem. I always used nVidia. | Nov 12 00:27 |
| StickyBuns | Screw the video, I'm more worried about sound. | Nov 12 00:27 |
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| DaemonFC | FreedomOrDeath, Nvidia is a blob | Nov 12 00:28 |
| FreedomOrDeath | The only one I've had a problem with is my intel graphics on my laptop | Nov 12 00:28 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, there is still no KMS with binary drivers | Nov 12 00:28 |
| FreedomOrDeath | What's wrong with blobs? | Nov 12 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | Radeon 4000 and 5000 series = blob that makes power management epic fail | Nov 12 00:28 |
| _Hicham_ | blobs are backwards | Nov 12 00:28 |
| schestowitz | norred =mutex | Nov 12 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is the only one that even has EXPERIMENTAL support for 3d acceleration on the RadeonHD 4000 and 5000 | Nov 12 00:28 |
| schestowitz | We get a lot of trolls here today | Nov 12 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | and there's still some glitches I've noticed | Nov 12 00:29 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : give me op plz | Nov 12 00:29 |
| FreedomOrDeath | DaemonFC: Really? I did not know that. | Nov 12 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | it mostly works, at least there's that | Nov 12 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | you have to pull it in separately though | Nov 12 00:29 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Well, experimental so glitches are to be expected. | Nov 12 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | FreedomOrDeath, Well, the 4000 series is over a year old | Nov 12 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Like nicknames that are insults to _goblin | Nov 12 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, come on.... You know? | Nov 12 00:29 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Would you like me to apologize to him? | Nov 12 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's like saying Welcome to Linux, some hardware from last year may work | Nov 12 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's not the message to send to people | Nov 12 00:30 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Yeah. I had high hopes for ATI cards when AMD bought them. It's a shame | Nov 12 00:30 |
| FreedomOrDeath | AMD really pissed me off | Nov 12 00:30 |
| _Hicham_ | there an exceptional radeon developer working for RedHat | Nov 12 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | especially not with devices that use unified drivers | Nov 12 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | you make the 4890 work, everything in the 4000 series works | Nov 12 00:30 |
| _Hicham_ | it is Dave Airlie, and his code is better than AMD's proprietary one | Nov 12 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | but that's the thing | Nov 12 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | if they're a year behind on something that's relatively easy, there's like no support for devices that use chipsets from wherever | Nov 12 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | like many TV tuners | Nov 12 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | so it makes a lot of sense why that is | Nov 12 00:31 |
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| DaemonFC | a lot of devices use non-free blobs for firmware and nobody is ever any the wiser cause it shipped with the kernel | Nov 12 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | without all that stuff you may not even get Linux to boot | Nov 12 00:33 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: If I gave you op, you'd slap Ryan, no? | Nov 12 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Stop PMing me, man..... | Nov 12 00:33 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 12 00:33 |
| FreedomOrDeath | With intel and ati open source drivers, what's taking so long to get better support? Same with Creative. A friend of mine installed Mint and had an X-Fi card. | Nov 12 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Besides, the surge of trolls we mean we're onto something | Nov 12 00:33 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I had to help him compile the beta drivers from Creative which are, what, 2 or 3 years old? | Nov 12 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | X-Fi is epic fail on Linux, or at least it was | Nov 12 00:33 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : no | Nov 12 00:33 |
| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: how do you figure? | Nov 12 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | not surprising when the Windows driver is bad | Nov 12 00:34 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Thankfully, the beta drivers worked great. | Nov 12 00:34 |
| frak_ | does anybody know wut T-14 means :S | Nov 12 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | Creative is just bad news these days | Nov 12 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'm done with them | Nov 12 00:34 |
| ender2070 | creative has been bad news ever since audigy | Nov 12 00:34 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: it's always like that | Nov 12 00:34 |
| frak_ | T-14 anybody :S | Nov 12 00:34 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : why do u think that i will do such an awful thing ? | Nov 12 00:34 |
| StickyBuns | Creative has been horrible the last few years | Nov 12 00:34 |
| FreedomOrDeath | DaemonFC: Who would you recommend? I'm looking to build a computer in about two months. | Nov 12 00:34 |
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| EDavidBurg | schestowitz: more people disagree with you = you must be right? | Nov 12 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Creative tried to sue a guy named Daniel who was trying to fix their drivers to get Vista support | Nov 12 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | so they're not afraid to stumble into some bad PR | Nov 12 00:35 |
| schestowitz | EDavidBurg: no, trolling and abusing | Nov 12 00:35 |
| schestowitz | b4 you came here | Nov 12 00:35 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - at the same time Daniel was enabling features for cards that didnt ship with them too | Nov 12 00:35 |
| EDavidBurg | I guess Microsoft must be onto something, what with all the abuse they take... | Nov 12 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Nov 12 00:36 |
| FreedomOrDeath | And they sued him? | Nov 12 00:36 |
| FreedomOrDeath | WTF? | Nov 12 00:36 |
| schestowitz | No | Nov 12 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Threats | Nov 12 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, So like, they sold it as a cheap card without those features, but it really had them and the driver was just not enabling them | Nov 12 00:36 |
| schestowitz | C&D | Nov 12 00:36 |
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| DaemonFC | so like antifeatures on your sound card | Nov 12 00:36 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - correct, it was the dolby license | Nov 12 00:36 |
| schestowitz | wb, shreddar | Nov 12 00:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_usb_fs&num=1 | Nov 12 00:37 |
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| DaemonFC | so the only difference was the expensive one was one they paid a Dolby license on and the cheap ones weren't | Nov 12 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | so the driver just disabled the Dolby support on them | Nov 12 00:37 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - the cheaper cards werent licensed for dolby and they were getting dolby support with Daniels driver | Nov 12 00:37 |
| ender2070 | correct | Nov 12 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | that's epic | Nov 12 00:37 |
| ender2070 | its also standard business practice | Nov 12 00:37 |
| FreedomOrDeath | All I need is a good sound card that will play my music files well in Fedora. | Nov 12 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I would have just put them on torrent sites and megaupload and rapidshare, etc. | Nov 12 00:38 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I don't get into the whole "top of the line, this will sound like a live concert" | Nov 12 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | then how is Creative gonna stop them? | Nov 12 00:38 |
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| ender2070 | intel did the same with the q6600 family of chips, they were all the same phyiscal quad core chip but intel speed binned them and sold them at the fastest speeds they would hit | Nov 12 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, So they were all capable of the fastest speed of that series? | Nov 12 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 12 00:39 |
| ender2070 | same chip, yes | Nov 12 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | the only difference is the model number printed on the box | Nov 12 00:39 |
| ender2070 | you could short the q6600 in a specific spot that turned it into a 3.0ghz chip | Nov 12 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | I love it when companies do that | Nov 12 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | I have a 3 Ghz Phenom II X4 | Nov 12 00:39 |
| ender2070 | intel still does it | Nov 12 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | it kicks some ass | Nov 12 00:39 |
| ender2070 | the chip is the same, but they sell some at slower speeds with a smaller heat sync | Nov 12 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | I've had it with Intel | Nov 12 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | so much stupid crap over the years | Nov 12 00:40 |
| ender2070 | intel can do that though and get away with it | Nov 12 00:40 |
| ender2070 | their competition is struggling | Nov 12 00:40 |
| frak_ | Well, I'm bored and nobody answered my question, bye. | Nov 12 00:40 |
| _goblin | what q? | Nov 12 00:40 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | So. I have another question, as I figure out your site. | Nov 12 00:41 |
| shreddar | Wait what's intel doing? and what did frak ask? | Nov 12 00:41 |
| _goblin | damn...just returned and missed that. | Nov 12 00:41 |
| ender2070 | instead of putting r&d into native quad cores, they faked it, put money into better fabs and made cheaper chips at faster speeds | Nov 12 00:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MontaVista is sold. *shudders* http://ping.fm/noi2E | Nov 12 00:41 | |
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| FreedomOrDeath | What's the big deal with Novell? I mean, they were just a company. Not even a Linux company. They've been around since long before Linux, so why are they so bad now? I could see y'all being mad if it were RH or Canonical. But I don't get Novell. | Nov 12 00:42 |
| shreddar | oh | Nov 12 00:42 |
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| shreddar | FreedomOrDeath I think Novell is seen as a fox in the the hen house. | Nov 12 00:43 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I thought that was MS. | Nov 12 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Novell is the man who could smoke outside in the street but instead smokes in your house | Nov 12 00:43 |
| shreddar | or a cancer in the heart of Free Software. | Nov 12 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Then, when the doorbell rings it claims to be a tenant | Nov 12 00:44 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | schestowitz: I smoke so that doesn't bother me | Nov 12 00:44 |
| schestowitz | And invites the gangsters inside | Nov 12 00:44 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 12 00:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/68622.html | Nov 12 00:45 |
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| ender2070 | it would bother those who dont smoke | Nov 12 00:45 |
| shreddar | And the gangsters start doing explicit things to you and your loved ones. | Nov 12 00:45 |
| FreedomOrDeath | But my point is that Novell isn't a Linux company (i.e. RH, Canonical). Novell is a company that sells Linux solutions. There's a major difference. | Nov 12 00:45 |
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| ender2070 | they pretend | Nov 12 00:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @mob4healthcare: Almost 4,500 signatures on the petition to ask Lieberman to stop accepting ins co money! Sign it! http://ur1.ca/flw8 #p2 | Nov 12 00:45 | |
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| FreedomOrDeath | I could easily see it if RH made the deal with MS. That would be a pretty big slap in the face, but that's a different situation. | Nov 12 00:46 |
| ender2070 | RH refused a deal actually | Nov 12 00:46 |
| shreddar | The deal is bad no matter what company is doing it. | Nov 12 00:46 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ender2070: Right. But, what I'm saying is that had RH taken the deal, I could understand. | Nov 12 00:46 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Because RH started as a Linux company, wheras Novell did not. | Nov 12 00:47 |
| FreedomOrDeath | What about the fact that MS sold a lot of SLES and SLED licenses for Novell. | Nov 12 00:47 |
| FreedomOrDeath | MS actually sold Linux better than any other company has been able to do. | Nov 12 00:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox seems to be trolled a lot these days (premature predictions of demise): http://ping.fm/bhLLD | Nov 12 00:47 | |
| schestowitz | it's insulting to say "Commercial GNU tools" (should say "proprietary") as if to imply plain GNU is not for commercial use http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Sourcery-G-version-44/?kc=rss | Nov 12 00:47 |
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| shreddar | Well, I don't know the complete history but I think the guys who started this site were involved with Novells open source community. | Nov 12 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I was | Nov 12 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Not Shane | Nov 12 00:48 |
| schestowitz | He does Slax | Nov 12 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft just pays for coupons to replace Red Hat with Ballnux | Nov 12 00:48 |
| schestowitz | 'Pays' | Nov 12 00:49 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I mean, i guess I see SUSE as still being one of the best distros for new users. Doesn't it hurt Linux when members of the linux community call it evil, etc.? | Nov 12 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Meaning it passes a bribe to help hurt Red Hat | Nov 12 00:49 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Ballnux...how clever. That's one thing I've always loved about the Linux community. The witty renaming of things. | Nov 12 00:49 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Okay. So? | Nov 12 00:49 |
| FreedomOrDeath | It's called competition. RH tries to defeat Novell. Novell tries to defeat RH. It's normal. | Nov 12 00:50 |
| StickyBuns | And works very well :) | Nov 12 00:50 |
| ender2070 | Novell is using msft as a weapon in it | Nov 12 00:50 |
| StickyBuns | and? | Nov 12 00:50 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Okay. | Nov 12 00:50 |
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| ender2070 | think about this | Nov 12 00:51 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Companies have been using each other to get a third company for years | Nov 12 00:51 |
| StickyBuns | It's an ancient technique that dates back to the first true companies. :) | Nov 12 00:51 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | Probably before that. The snake used Eve to get Adam...or something like that. | Nov 12 00:51 |
| ender2070 | we have issues with the 3rd party they are using | Nov 12 00:51 |
| FreedomOrDeath | So, if Novell used IBM ot crush RH, it would be okay? | Nov 12 00:52 |
| sudoman | The bible is wrong, it doesn't cite sources! | Nov 12 00:52 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 12 00:52 |
| ender2070 | therefor logically, we're going to have issues with the first party as a result | Nov 12 00:52 |
| ender2070 | freedom, yes | Nov 12 00:52 |
| norred | eve was a god santioned breakup of the monopoly of "adam" | Nov 12 00:52 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ender2070: So, it would be okay to use a different major evil company to crush RH? | Nov 12 00:53 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 12 00:53 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - i have no issues with IBM myself | Nov 12 00:53 |
| _goblin | "Ah your killing the FOSS" just got linked on Tuxmachines.... | Nov 12 00:53 |
| StickyBuns | But IBM supplied the Nazis with the machines to calculate the number of Jews they killed, that's pretty evil. :) | Nov 12 00:53 |
| loving_code | sudoman, why the fuck does the book of god need to cite aything? | Nov 12 00:53 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - its simply i dont like their specific theird party | Nov 12 00:53 |
| ender2070 | third* | Nov 12 00:53 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Okay. so Using IBM, a different company that is huge and has been a monopoly is okay. | Nov 12 00:53 |
| FreedomOrDeath | But not Microsoft. Gotcha | Nov 12 00:53 |
| sudoman | I need proof from a third party, please. | Nov 12 00:53 |
| ender2070 | for me its not about that | Nov 12 00:54 |
| ender2070 | any third party is ok as long as its not microsoft | Nov 12 00:54 |
| loving_code | sudoman, GOD was the ONLY "party" involved! | Nov 12 00:54 |
| ender2070 | i dont deny being anti-ms | Nov 12 00:54 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Well, I think Novell did good. I don't know if IBM could have sold as many vouchers as Microsoft. | Nov 12 00:54 |
| sudoman | loving_code: Please cite your sources, god, the claimee, can not be used | Nov 12 00:55 |
| loving_code | what the fuck do i do, commit suicide and interview adam? | Nov 12 00:55 |
| EDavidBurg | sudoman: I accidentally the sources | Nov 12 00:55 |
| EDavidBurg | loving_code: it's an option | Nov 12 00:55 |
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| bikedog1 | but if i commit suicide, i would go to hell | Nov 12 00:56 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - actually any third party is wrong, i hate rogers communications a lot more than microsoft | Nov 12 00:56 |
| bikedog1 | it is a sin to take anyone's life, even your own | Nov 12 00:57 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Rogers? That's an ISP up in Canada, right? | Nov 12 00:57 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 12 00:57 |
| StickyBuns | Rogers loves hating its users :) | Nov 12 00:57 |
| ender2070 | im an ex user | Nov 12 00:57 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I just wanted to make sure I remembered who was right. | Nov 12 00:57 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | It can't be any worse than Time Warner. | Nov 12 00:57 |
| ender2070 | they also own the entire gsm cell phone market | Nov 12 00:58 |
| ender2070 | in canada | Nov 12 00:58 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OMG OMG.... Bong [sic] has just launched a "2.0" version. Google is teh doomed. :-) | Nov 12 00:59 | |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, http://www.countercurrents.org/cogan111109.htm | Nov 12 01:00 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, http://www.countercurrents.org/cogan111109.htm | Nov 12 01:00 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Anyway, it's been fun. | Nov 12 01:00 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I;m glad I got to talk to y'all and learn some new insights. | Nov 12 01:00 |
| sudoman | and pie | Nov 12 01:01 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I hope that you all can open your minds a little and realize that software is not a religion and that people and companies aren't evil because they choose x or y software. | Nov 12 01:01 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Or release under x or y license. | Nov 12 01:01 |
| StickyBuns | I trust that source as much as I trust a hole in the ground. It cites nothing, has an obvious agenda and just shoots off at the mouth. | Nov 12 01:01 |
| EDavidBurg | FreedomOrDeath: surely you jest | Nov 12 01:01 |
| FreedomOrDeath | EDavidBurg: inorite | Nov 12 01:01 |
| loving_code | these | Nov 12 01:01 |
| loving_code | were some | Nov 12 01:01 |
| sudoman | that | Nov 12 01:01 |
| *fewa laughs at FreedomOrDeath motives | Nov 12 01:01 | |
| loving_code | good | Nov 12 01:01 |
| loving_code | discussion | Nov 12 01:02 |
| *FreedomOrDeath Slaps fewa upside the head | Nov 12 01:02 | |
| FreedomOrDeath | Be nice | Nov 12 01:02 |
| *loving_code watches the fighting | Nov 12 01:02 | |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 12 01:02 |
| *sudoman eats the pie | Nov 12 01:02 | |
| StickyBuns | And it's source is the World Socialist Website, which is just covered in biasness. | Nov 12 01:02 |
| *loving_code lol's | Nov 12 01:02 | |
| StickyBuns | That's like me citing the American Free Press about black rights. | Nov 12 01:02 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Seriously. You guys worry too much about "frredoms" while using one of the most restrictive licenses out thee. | Nov 12 01:03 |
| loving_code | true that! | Nov 12 01:03 |
| FreedomOrDeath | And I know. because I've been around Linux for a LONG time. | Nov 12 01:03 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I've read the licenses. BSD license FTW | Nov 12 01:03 |
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| sudoman | agreed | Nov 12 01:03 |
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| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, Windows is fully of BSD code | Nov 12 01:03 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Okay. So? | Nov 12 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Another Microsoft product, Oslo, seems to be dying now | Nov 12 01:04 |
| FreedomOrDeath | That's what the BSD license is for. That gives real freedom. Freedom for everyone. GPL restricts people badly. | Nov 12 01:04 |
| fewa | just saying you shouldn't here and preech | Nov 12 01:04 |
| sudoman | I'd be humbled just by Microsoft deciding to use my code | Nov 12 01:04 |
| fewa | *come here and preech | Nov 12 01:04 |
| fewa | while pretending to have a open ear | Nov 12 01:04 |
| fewa | its hypocritical | Nov 12 01:04 |
| FreedomOrDeath | "This code is free but only if you follow this strict set of rules" | Nov 12 01:04 |
| loving_code | lulz | Nov 12 01:04 |
| FreedomOrDeath | How is it hypocritical? | Nov 12 01:04 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I've had an open ear. All I heard was MS EVIL | Nov 12 01:04 |
| ender2070 | its to prevent people from closing stuff up | Nov 12 01:05 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I was trying to find technical reasons against Mono. I never heard it. | Nov 12 01:05 |
| sudoman | what's wrong with closing it back up? | Nov 12 01:05 |
| ender2070 | you did | Nov 12 01:05 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, exactly | Nov 12 01:05 |
| StickyBuns | Doesn't preventing anything go against the very idea of true freedom? | Nov 12 01:05 |
| sudoman | it's open and free, DO WITH IT WHAT YOU WANT | Nov 12 01:05 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, you never heard it cause its not what you wanted to heard | Nov 12 01:05 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Why are developers bad for not choosing GPL? | Nov 12 01:05 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 12 01:05 |
| ender2070 | FreedomOrDeath - I told you google go is going to beat it, thats not technical? | Nov 12 01:05 |
| fewa | never realized you would explain yourself so succinctly | Nov 12 01:05 |
| StickyBuns | Freedom isn't free if you have to pay a price to keep in line. | Nov 12 01:05 |
| loving_code | fewa, LURN GRAMMUR! | Nov 12 01:05 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ender2070: No | Nov 12 01:05 |
| ender2070 | it'll do so out of being superior | Nov 12 01:06 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I can say that Linux will beat Windows but if there's not techincal support to it, it's just an opinion. | Nov 12 01:06 |
| fewa | loving_code, &hear | Nov 12 01:06 |
| sudoman | Microsoft's license is even less restrictive than the GPL | Nov 12 01:06 |
| EDavidBurg | ender2070: why do you support google but not MS? They're both huge monopolies | Nov 12 01:06 |
| ender2070 | google isnt ms | Nov 12 01:06 |
| sudoman | ORITE | Nov 12 01:06 |
| sudoman | that makes them different | Nov 12 01:06 |
| FreedomOrDeath | EDavidBurg: He supports IBM, too. | Nov 12 01:06 |
| ender2070 | yes it does | Nov 12 01:06 |
| fewa | <sudoman> Microsoft's license is even less restrictive than the GPL | Nov 12 01:06 |
| EDavidBurg | ender2070: is that your main criteria? | Nov 12 01:06 |
| sudoman | MSPL, look it up | Nov 12 01:07 |
| ender2070 | for me individually it is | Nov 12 01:07 |
| sudoman | it's less restrictive than the GPL | Nov 12 01:07 |
| FreedomOrDeath | He isn't anti-monoply, just anti-ms...because they're a monopoly | Nov 12 01:07 |
| ender2070 | we all have brands we dont like | Nov 12 01:07 |
| EDavidBurg | ender2070: "this monopoly who wants to collect all of your information is not MS, so it's k" | Nov 12 01:07 |
| ender2070 | some people swear against driving ford cars | Nov 12 01:07 |
| sudoman | EDavidBurg, agreed | Nov 12 01:07 |
| shreddar | MS has done anti-consumer things and continues to do so. | Nov 12 01:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two Microsoft products, Oslo and Oxite, seem to be struggling for survival. Details tomorrow... | Nov 12 01:07 | |
| FreedomOrDeath | So has IBM, Google, Apple, etc... | Nov 12 01:07 |
| ender2070 | i would rather let google collect my info than microsoft | Nov 12 01:07 |
| ender2070 | someone will anyways | Nov 12 01:07 |
| StickyBuns | All companies have done anti-consumer minded things. Business by its very definition is anti-consumer. | Nov 12 01:07 |
| sudoman | Other way around for me | Nov 12 01:08 |
| schestowitz | The "everyone is evil"defense :-) | Nov 12 01:08 |
| schestowitz | How familiar | Nov 12 01:08 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 12 01:08 |
| loving_code | why the fuck does anyone needto collect your information be it bong or google?! | Nov 12 01:08 |
| ender2070 | google has a don't be evil motto | Nov 12 01:08 |
| sudoman | This fear of Microsoft is rediculous, they don't want to castrate you... you aren't fanboyish enough | Nov 12 01:08 |
| shreddar | StickyBuns your wrong. It's the exact opposite. | Nov 12 01:08 |
| FreedomOrDeath | schestowitz: trying to find his logic | Nov 12 01:08 |
| EDavidBurg | ender2070: and soviet russia was government for the people | Nov 12 01:08 |
| fewa | ender2070, i'm evil because I say I am | Nov 12 01:08 |
| StickyBuns | businesses are the opposite of consumers, they are the the very antithesis. This is basic stuff. | Nov 12 01:09 |
| ender2070 | their actions haven't been to the contrary | Nov 12 01:09 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, you are mistaken | Nov 12 01:09 |
| ender2070 | google also has to obey strict canadian privacy laws | Nov 12 01:09 |
| ender2070 | more strict than usa's | Nov 12 01:09 |
| fewa | state capitalism is anti-consumer, not business | Nov 12 01:09 |
| schestowitz | What does it run? http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/technology/newsid_10000000/newsid_10002800/10002899.stm | Nov 12 01:09 |
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| StickyBuns | Yet without capitalism, there is no true business, only puppet businesses. | Nov 12 01:10 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, what is this "capitalism" you speak of? | Nov 12 01:10 |
| FreedomOrDeath | We could be communists. That's worked out so well for other countried | Nov 12 01:10 |
| sudoman | for those who think Microsoft's license isn't less restrictive than the GPL: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ms-pl.html - MS-PL OSI Approved | Nov 12 01:10 |
| FreedomOrDeath | *countries | Nov 12 01:10 |
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| fewa | StickyBuns, where does this mythical beast exist? | Nov 12 01:10 |
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| StickyBuns | I don't know, it wasn't given the term until the Soviets decided to label it with, what was at the time, a very evil lavel ;) | Nov 12 01:11 |
| shreddar | This is silly. Who cares if businesses are supposed to do anti-consumer things? The important thing is that consumers don't want them to. | Nov 12 01:11 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Then the consumers really should stop buying from them. | Nov 12 01:11 |
| fewa | shreddar, that people dont want them to | Nov 12 01:11 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 12 01:11 |
| ender2070 | thats your solution? | Nov 12 01:11 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Microsoft will never go under, no matter how much we want it to. Why? | Nov 12 01:11 |
| ender2070 | "consumers should just stop buying them, dont bother fighting for change" | Nov 12 01:11 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Because their products work "good enough" and they're a familiar name now. | Nov 12 01:12 |
| *fewa reads FreedomOrDeath recycling the same faulty argument over and over | Nov 12 01:12 | |
| FreedomOrDeath | Huh | Nov 12 01:12 |
| *FreedomOrDeath watches fewa continue to make illogical comments | Nov 12 01:12 | |
| fewa | IM not listening , LALALALALALALA | Nov 12 01:12 |
| sudoman | noticed already fewa | Nov 12 01:12 |
| StickyBuns | Except public outcry still exists and does change things. Because angry consumers tend to be tight walleted ones :) | Nov 12 01:12 |
| ender2070 | it is illogical lol | Nov 12 01:12 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | Nice. Mature. | Nov 12 01:12 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | That's the Linux Community: full of maturity | Nov 12 01:13 |
| ender2070 | it sounds like some of you are arguing against public outcry | Nov 12 01:13 |
| sudoman | Linux Community: Proud 14 year olds | Nov 12 01:13 |
| ender2070 | saying to just vote with your wallet instead, dont complain | Nov 12 01:13 |
| *loving_code thinks freetards should grot the fuck up | Nov 12 01:13 | |
| FreedomOrDeath | :| | Nov 12 01:13 |
| loving_code | *grow | Nov 12 01:13 |
| sudoman | "public outcry" doesn't exist against microsoft | Nov 12 01:13 |
| sudoman | NOBODY CARES | Nov 12 01:13 |
| fewa | sudoman, you don't care | Nov 12 01:13 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Especially since things have gotten more stable. well, except for Vista. | Nov 12 01:13 |
| StickyBuns | I argue against Trotskyism, because Leon was a fool and I see more than my fair share of it here :) | Nov 12 01:13 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Wow, they screwed that one up | Nov 12 01:13 |
| sudoman | and appearantly, 90% of the computer using populace doesn't care either | Nov 12 01:14 |
| schestowitz | loving_code: watch your language | Nov 12 01:14 |
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| FreedomOrDeath | I got my mom using SUSE for a while. This was before Novell bought it. When it went to OpenSUSE, she kept using it. It worked okay, but she was having way too many problems with it. :| oh well. guess Linux isn't ready for mainstream | Nov 12 01:15 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I would've thought after almost two decades it would get better. I mean, after using it for so long, it seems to be getting better. | Nov 12 01:15 |
| ender2070 | loving_code = sir sane | Nov 12 01:16 |
| shreddar | Linux is ready just not the standard desktop linux. | Nov 12 01:16 |
| StickyBuns | Yes, FreedomOrDeath, but sadly they have drawn the Fourth International to their cause. They're doomed if they get any influence. ;) | Nov 12 01:16 |
| _goblin | sudoman: Just saw your comment...type in Vista comments into Google and then tell me again nobody cares. Its not about caring its more to do with users locked-in and feeling either scared by change or simply unaware of alternatives. | Nov 12 01:16 |
| fewa | "I use Gentoo, butt....... its not ready for the desktop" | Nov 12 01:16 |
| fewa | "I use Gentoo, butt....... its not ready for the desktop" | Nov 12 01:16 |
| fewa | "I use Gentoo, butt....... its not ready for the desktop" | Nov 12 01:16 |
| fewa | "I use Gentoo, butt....... its not ready for the desktop" | Nov 12 01:16 |
| loving_code | ender2070, why do you belive this? | Nov 12 01:16 |
| fewa | over, and over, and over, and over | Nov 12 01:17 |
| sudoman | fewa, quit saying butt | Nov 12 01:17 |
| _goblin | fewa: I love those comments.... | Nov 12 01:17 |
| EDavidBurg | sudoman: wut wut? | Nov 12 01:17 |
| fewa | _goblin, its the most mundane thing | Nov 12 01:17 |
| loving_code | ender2070, why do you belive this? | Nov 12 01:17 |
| sudoman | EDavidBurg, was about to answer that | Nov 12 01:17 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: yes, I reckon it's the linx** gang in here | Nov 12 01:17 |
| _goblin | fewa: "I think Linux is great.....but....." | Nov 12 01:17 |
| ender2070 | you talk like him | Nov 12 01:17 |
| sudoman | _goblin: Just type "pulseaudio sucks" into Google and tell me nobody cares. | Nov 12 01:18 |
| fewa | sudoman, that is very differn't | Nov 12 01:18 |
| _goblin | sudoman: Eh? I thought we were talking about Windows...? you said nobody cares....we'll we do...and we can't be the only ones. | Nov 12 01:18 |
| sudoman | not really | Nov 12 01:18 |
| shreddar | I'm gonna ask the obvious here but were did these guy come from? | Nov 12 01:19 |
| loving_code | ended2070, i'm a long ways off from being this "sir sane" you spaek of | Nov 12 01:19 |
| _goblin | *we'll = well | Nov 12 01:19 |
| fewa | sudoman, no its entirely differn't | Nov 12 01:19 |
| FreedomOrDeath | 90%+ of the market, even though they may care, seem to be okay with it | Nov 12 01:19 |
| fewa | when these people say "I think Linux is great" | Nov 12 01:19 |
| sudoman | compare the amount of problems of Windows with Linux; everybody has problems with OS's, Linux takes that cake thus far | Nov 12 01:19 |
| fewa | the entire point is to preempt any actual contemplation of Linux | Nov 12 01:19 |
| schestowitz | OK, guys... go back to your gutter site, lins*x | Nov 12 01:19 |
| schestowitz | We don't do this junk here | Nov 12 01:19 |
| fewa | and attack it at its core, without facts | Nov 12 01:19 |
| ender2070 | they are just trolling | Nov 12 01:19 |
| sudoman | we're right | Nov 12 01:19 |
| fewa | constructive criticism is a entirely differn't thing | Nov 12 01:19 |
| sudoman | there's a difference | Nov 12 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Yes, and ruining the channel | Nov 12 01:20 |
| _goblin | sudoman: never denied that people have problems with all systems....you're argument was that nobody cares. | Nov 12 01:20 |
| EDavidBurg | YOU IS TROLLIN | Nov 12 01:20 |
| ender2070 | it is trolling | Nov 12 01:20 |
| sudoman | IZ NOT TROLLIN, IZ SUDOMAN U C | Nov 12 01:20 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to ender2070 | Nov 12 01:20 | |
| EDavidBurg | I'm not trolling, I'm EDavidBurg, you see? | Nov 12 01:20 |
| FreedomOrDeath | I'd love to see Linux get up and running on desktops. I've been wanting that since I first used it. I just don't understand why it's not getting there. | Nov 12 01:20 |
| EDavidBurg | sudoman: :| | Nov 12 01:20 |
| StickyBuns | fewa: It'd be really helpful for you to just admit your overriding agenda for supporting this cause is anti-capitalism and anti-corporation instead of hiding behind 'freedom', you do a disservice to the OSS ecosystem. | Nov 12 01:20 |
| ender2070 | that would be like us posting comments onto neowin saying down with windows | Nov 12 01:20 |
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| sudoman | free should not be the only feature | Nov 12 01:20 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, when did I ever use the word "freedom"? | Nov 12 01:20 |
| _goblin | Im going to be talking to the ex-editor of Neowin..... | Nov 12 01:20 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, this channel is logged, and I don't believe I've said it all day | Nov 12 01:21 |
| _goblin | apparently one of the reporters I challenged for being bias on Neowin was sacked by him.... | Nov 12 01:21 |
| ender2070 | you guys are in a channel knowing we think a certain way and you're begging the question | Nov 12 01:21 |
| _goblin | it will be interesting to find out why. | Nov 12 01:21 |
| schestowitz | How can one be sacked from a shill site? | Nov 12 01:21 |
| ender2070 | that is trolling | Nov 12 01:21 |
| StickyBuns | You imply it, which is good enough to draw a logical connection, also thanks for dodging the question. | Nov 12 01:21 |
| fewa | <ender2070> you guys are in a channel knowing we think a certain way and you're begging the question | Nov 12 01:21 |
| schestowitz | And isn't the "editor" just one (or a bunch of) Microsoft MVP? | Nov 12 01:21 |
| fewa | pretty exact | Nov 12 01:21 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Not sure, but it will be very interesting... | Nov 12 01:22 |
| fewa | and our positions are correct, because we say so | Nov 12 01:22 |
| ender2070 | do we need the obligatory wikipedia link to "trolling" ? | Nov 12 01:22 |
| fewa | :P | Nov 12 01:22 |
| sudoman | again, not trolling if you're correct | Nov 12 01:22 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: That sounds familiar...I think I read that a lot at UF, too... | Nov 12 01:22 |
| EDavidBurg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw YOU IS TROLLIN! | Nov 12 01:22 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Probably why I stay away from Ubuntu and use Fedora and Slackware | Nov 12 01:22 |
| sudoman | IZ NOT TROLLIN! IZ BOXEE U SEE :D | Nov 12 01:23 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, "I love Linux...but..." | Nov 12 01:23 |
| loving_code | @schestowitz, what IS a shill site? | Nov 12 01:23 |
| loving_code | EDavidburg, lawl XD | Nov 12 01:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: What's wrong with pointing out what's wrong with something. | Nov 12 01:23 |
| ender2070 | FreedomorDeath - what you're doing is the same as me going into #ubuntu and asking the same questions about why they aren't using Fedora | Nov 12 01:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Three more quit over Nutt sacking" http://ping.fm/MbM7B | Nov 12 01:23 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Three more quit over Nutt sacking • The Register .::. Size~: 26.17 KB | Nov 12 01:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: Nothing will get fixed if we ignore it. | Nov 12 01:23 |
| FreedomOrDeath | ender2070: Huh? | Nov 12 01:24 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, and what are those problems? | Nov 12 01:24 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, or do you have absolutely no understanding of Linux | Nov 12 01:24 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: Where do I start? Are you telling me there are no problems with your install? | Nov 12 01:24 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, and only pretend, so you can discredit it? | Nov 12 01:24 |
| _goblin | loving_code: You really don't know? ;) If you have heard of google, why not try using it... | Nov 12 01:24 |
| fewa | FreedomOrDeath, you seem to be the product of opposition research training | Nov 12 01:24 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: I've been using Linux for a hell of a long time. | Nov 12 01:24 |
| shreddar | Is there any way to keep trolls from dominating the channel? | Nov 12 01:24 |
| sudoman | pulseaudio, linux kernel being bloated, gnome being old and decrepid, the only other full featured option being absolutely unstable | Nov 12 01:24 |
| fewa | your tactics are incredibly predictable | Nov 12 01:24 |
| fewa | its like watching paint dry | Nov 12 01:25 |
| sudoman | fewa are you being intimidated? sounds like it | Nov 12 01:25 |
| sudoman | you're acting like we're *not* winning, which clearly shows we are fewa | Nov 12 01:25 |
| fewa | the fatal flaw is the inibility to adjust to arguments | Nov 12 01:25 |
| fewa | and positions | Nov 12 01:25 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: Okay. relaistic problems? grub, pulseaudio (which i always uninstall), ext4, flash, wireless, graphics, fonts | Nov 12 01:25 |
| ender2070 | I can agree on one thing you guys just said | Nov 12 01:25 |
| loving_code | http://www.google.com/search?q=shill+site&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a where is it? | Nov 12 01:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: shill site - Google Search .::. Size~: 26.38 KB | Nov 12 01:25 |
| EDavidBurg | shreddar: change the topic of this channel, maybe? | Nov 12 01:25 |
| ender2070 | gnome is old and decrepid :) | Nov 12 01:25 |
| _goblin | im leaving Gnome.... | Nov 12 01:25 |
| fewa | The arguments are always the same, as if from a script | Nov 12 01:25 |
| ender2070 | KDE4 ftw | Nov 12 01:25 |
| FreedomOrDeath | KDE is coming along very nicely, now. | Nov 12 01:26 |
| _goblin | yep | Nov 12 01:26 |
| sudoman | fewa so are yours | Nov 12 01:26 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: lolwut? | Nov 12 01:26 |
| ThistleWeb | gnomes are also good at fishing, or they should be, they spend a long time with fishing rods in their hands at the sides of ponds | Nov 12 01:26 |
| fewa | they always maintain the same topics, same opposition | Nov 12 01:26 |
| sudoman | case in point, fewa: Linux is better, Linux is better than Microsoft, etc | Nov 12 01:26 |
| StickyBuns | fewa: For a believer in the permanent revolution, you sure seem to stick to static ground ;) | Nov 12 01:26 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: If people who recognize the problems in Linux are arguing as if from a script, maybe we should get the devs to fix those problems. | Nov 12 01:26 |
| fewa | sudoman, again, putting words into my mount | Nov 12 01:26 |
| sudoman | fewa: I didn't need to, I just pulled them out to show everybody else | Nov 12 01:26 |
| fewa | StickyBuns, you like putting words into my mouth too | Nov 12 01:26 |
| fewa | sudoman, this channel is logged, there are weeks of logs | Nov 12 01:27 |
| schestowitz | http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/enterprise-linux/novell-and-microsoft-pact-reaches-third-year-mark/ "And truly, it does. One of the most prominent reminders is the ongoing corporate watchdog site, Boycott Novell, which was founded following the pact." | Nov 12 01:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Novell and Microsoft pact reaches third year mark - Enterprise Linux Log .::. Size~: 54.96 KB | Nov 12 01:27 |
| fewa | sudoman, please, show me the error in my ways | Nov 12 01:27 |
| FreedomOrDeath | _goblin: I think KDE 4.3 is very nice, in my opinion | Nov 12 01:27 |
| sudoman | fewa, ok, you're wrong | Nov 12 01:27 |
| fewa | sudoman, and you are a poo face | Nov 12 01:27 |
| StickyBuns | Considering your fondness for the Fourth International, its sources and beating the drum for 'resources belong to all of us', you paint a very clear picture of where your ill-thought out biases are. | Nov 12 01:27 |
| FreedomOrDeath | lol | Nov 12 01:28 |
| sudoman | fewa: D: how rude sir, I just had a tear :'( | Nov 12 01:28 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Such maturity. | Nov 12 01:28 |
| _goblin | freedomordeath: I agree, although it may be replacing Gnome on some of my rigs, its got a long way to go before I loose the much loved Xfce. | Nov 12 01:28 |
| FreedomOrDeath | _goblin: Yeah. Even XFCE is starting to waiver. KDE is bloated, but it's nice. | Nov 12 01:28 |
| _goblin | bloated? Id say no. A little excessive? yes, probably.... | Nov 12 01:29 |
| FreedomOrDeath | fewa: Really? poo face? What is this, 1st grade? | Nov 12 01:29 |
| ender2070 | KDE 4.4 w/ QT 4.6 *drool* | Nov 12 01:29 |
| _goblin | since I can run KDE on a 1.2ghz 512mb machine really well I think KDE is quite tight... | Nov 12 01:29 |
| FreedomOrDeath | _goblin: Nice | Nov 12 01:30 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to fewa | Nov 12 01:30 | |
| _goblin | but then KDE doesn't even touch Xfce (obviously) in terms of punchyness. | Nov 12 01:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/11/iphone_hacking_tool/ | Nov 12 01:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Malware cleans out jailbroken iPhones • The Register .::. Size~: 28.62 KB | Nov 12 01:31 |
| FreedomOrDeath | Is it true that rms is a hermaphidite? | Nov 12 01:31 |
| sudoman | Follow my word, and don't deny thee, for I shall punish those who disagree with my reign. Heil Hitler! | Nov 12 01:31 |
| shreddar | On a machine that low spec I'd just use blackbox or fluxbox. | Nov 12 01:32 |
| *fewa has kicked FreedomOrDeath from #boycottnovell (libel "Is it true that rms is a hermaphidite?") | Nov 12 01:32 | |
| sudoman | HEIL HITLER! | Nov 12 01:32 |
| ender2070 | godwin's law | Nov 12 01:32 |
| schestowitz | OK, kindergarten's done for today | Nov 12 01:32 |
| *schestowitz has kicked sudoman from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Nov 12 01:33 | |
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| FreedomOrDeath | Hey. I asked if he was, I didn't say he was. I mean, it would explain why he doesn't need a woman's compainship. | Nov 12 01:33 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on FreedomOrDeath!*@* | Nov 12 01:33 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked FreedomOrDeath from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Nov 12 01:33 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked norred from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Nov 12 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | That's mutex | Nov 12 01:33 |
| *fewa sets ban on *!i=18d36f1d@gateway/web/freenode/* | Nov 12 01:33 | |
| shreddar | How can you tell? IP? | Nov 12 01:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/11/m_health/ | Nov 12 01:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Manchester Uni looks into mobile health nannying • The Register .::. Size~: 26.78 KB | Nov 12 01:34 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: yes, but also the names | Nov 12 01:34 |
| schestowitz | He has used over 50, I can smell his style when he types things and chooses names, not just he ISP | Nov 12 01:35 |
| schestowitz | /he/his/ | Nov 12 01:35 |
| fewa | meh, their all the same | Nov 12 01:36 |
| EDavidBurg | they're* | Nov 12 01:37 |
| fewa | *they're | Nov 12 01:37 |
| EDavidBurg | postfix vs prefix, meh | Nov 12 01:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/11/mckinnon_mum_meets_home_sec/ | Nov 12 01:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: McKinnon’s mum 'snubbed' by Home Secretary • The Register .::. Size~: 27.96 KB | Nov 12 01:37 |
| ender2070 | I feel bad for McKinnon | Nov 12 01:39 |
| _goblin | Off topic: Been really impressed with GoogleWave, ive really enjoyed using it so far... | Nov 12 01:40 |
| _goblin | theres alot of Linux related waves and its a great place to chat. | Nov 12 01:41 |
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| shreddar | Isn't it still a limited preview though? | Nov 12 01:41 |
| _goblin | yep...I was lucky and someone gave me an invite. | Nov 12 01:41 |
| shreddar | Cool. | Nov 12 01:41 |
| ender2070 | _goblin - can u send invites? | Nov 12 01:41 |
| _goblin | I don't believe so...I think he only had the one left, if I could I would have introduced loads..! | Nov 12 01:42 |
| EDavidBurg | I have 8 invites | Nov 12 01:42 |
| _goblin | Is that after you've given one to every member of Lins**? If not, I think you will have just enough for everyone in their chatroom. | Nov 12 01:44 |
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| EDavidBurg | 8 is how many you start with. | Nov 12 01:45 |
| EDavidBurg | I just found I had them today. | Nov 12 01:45 |
| *shreddar hit the back button again. | Nov 12 01:45 | |
| _goblin | I was being flippant. Eric since you were bragging about trolling this chat room over on the Lin*** site (which I personally couldn't see any evidence of trolling) forgive me if I am dubious of both you actually having any invites and also an sincerity on your behalf. | Nov 12 01:47 |
| _goblin | *any | Nov 12 01:47 |
| EDavidBurg | Why would I go around bragging about that? | Nov 12 01:47 |
| _goblin | lol, I thought that when I read your post. | Nov 12 01:48 |
| EDavidBurg | If you care enough, i'll send a screenshot... but I doubt you do | Nov 12 01:48 |
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| _goblin | Ive linked there before....Ive been to the forum...I saw what you typed..I even linked it here. | Nov 12 01:48 |
| shreddar | I'm bored send post the screenshot, please. | Nov 12 01:48 |
| EDavidBurg | http://grab.by/tWw | Nov 12 01:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 12 01:49 |
| EDavidBurg | Exciting, right? | Nov 12 01:49 |
| _goblin | no, just petty and devious. | Nov 12 01:49 |
| _goblin | dishonest | Nov 12 01:49 |
| _goblin | misleading | Nov 12 01:49 |
| EDavidBurg | _goblin: it's a link to an image... | Nov 12 01:49 |
| EDavidBurg | I'm using TinyGrab, that's the url it gave me | Nov 12 01:50 |
| EDavidBurg | I can put it on imgur if it'll make you feel better | Nov 12 01:50 |
| _goblin | no need... | Nov 12 01:50 |
| _goblin | Im really not interested in your pic...I visited the forum myself and saw what you typed. | Nov 12 01:50 |
| EDavidBurg | _goblin: what? I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about my google wave invites. | Nov 12 01:51 |
| _goblin | Im not clicking on any claimed pic link...whatever it is could have been taken from anywhere... | Nov 12 01:51 |
| EDavidBurg | My lord, you're untrusting. | Nov 12 01:51 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 12 01:52 |
| _goblin | like I say, I saw your posts. | Nov 12 01:52 |
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| EDavidBurg | I've got nothing netter to do than goatse #bn... | Nov 12 01:52 |
| _goblin | and its only untrusting with you... | Nov 12 01:52 |
| ender2070 | nahhh | Nov 12 01:52 |
| EDavidBurg | (yes, I fully expect you guys to quote that out of context) | Nov 12 01:52 |
| _goblin | we don't do that Eric.... | Nov 12 01:52 |
| ender2070 | goblin is saying it could be anyones 8 invites pic | Nov 12 01:52 |
| _goblin | thats why the logs are published. | Nov 12 01:52 |
| shreddar | What did he did you post on Wave EDavidBurg? | Nov 12 01:52 |
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| EDavidBurg | _goblin: does it make you feel better using my name after whoising me? | Nov 12 01:53 |
| _goblin | no....it was told to me in your chat room. | Nov 12 01:53 |
| _goblin | remember? | Nov 12 01:53 |
| ThistleWeb | if you dont want peeps knowing your name, dont have your client show it | Nov 12 01:53 |
| _goblin | since E stands for Eric do you not like that name? | Nov 12 01:53 |
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| EDavidBurg | shreddar: He thought I didn't have any google wave invites. I asked why I would go around saying I did if I didn't, so I offered to screenshot the message google sent me. He assumed it must be a goatse or something | Nov 12 01:53 |
| ThistleWeb | you can set your client to be whatever you want | Nov 12 01:54 |
| ThistleWeb | Ballmers Bald Spot for example | Nov 12 01:54 |
| EDavidBurg | ThistleWeb: that's not what I'm concerned about, it's just the way he's using it passive agressively that bugs me | Nov 12 01:54 |
| _goblin | shreddar: He's Lin*** proven... He is here to troll. | Nov 12 01:54 |
| loving_code | anyone from linsux is automatically a troll? | Nov 12 01:55 |
| _goblin | shreddar: why would a Lin*** member want to help out a BN chat room user when Lin*** are obsessed with BN and its readers. | Nov 12 01:55 |
| EDavidBurg | _goblin: didn't we talk about this last time? I haven't said anything inflammatory... I try to participate in an innocuous conversation and you attack me | Nov 12 01:55 |
| _goblin | loving_code: No. But Eric is. | Nov 12 01:55 |
| _goblin | Eric you know what you posted....you gloated about trolling BN IRC and posted that on Lin&&& to try and impress others... | Nov 12 01:55 |
| fewa | <shreddar> What did he did you post | Nov 12 01:56 |
| fewa | What? | Nov 12 01:56 |
| loving_code | this is coming straight from me, why are you censoring linsux? | Nov 12 01:56 |
| EDavidBurg | _goblin: I'd rather you used my handle instead of my first name | Nov 12 01:56 |
| shreddar | Are Lin*** and Lin&&& chat room on Wave? | Nov 12 01:56 |
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| EDavidBurg | There aren't chatrooms on wave. | Nov 12 01:57 |
| shreddar | You know what I mean. "waves" then. | Nov 12 01:57 |
| *fewa waves | Nov 12 01:57 | |
| _goblin | Edavidburg: Since you will only use it to misrepresent my view if I don't, I will respect that, I would rather you refrained from childish comments such as Goatsee...or whatever that was.....Will you respect my wishes too? | Nov 12 01:58 |
| *schestowitz waves gn | Nov 12 01:58 | |
| EDavidBurg | I think viperchief has an account. I dunno, I don't use it much. There's no one to talk to. | Nov 12 01:58 |
| fewa | hijacking of language | Nov 12 01:58 |
| ThistleWeb | \o/ .o. .o. .o. \o/ .o. .o .o. \o/ <<mexican wave | Nov 12 01:58 |
| _goblin | Edavidburg: Maybe you should also have a word with your fellow chatters in Lin&&& since it was one of them who told me your name. | Nov 12 01:58 |
| EDavidBurg | _goblin: i'm not concerned about you knowing my name, it's in my hostmask. it's just that you're using it passive aggressively. | Nov 12 01:59 |
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| _goblin | Edavidburg: yeah...sorry about that, addressing you by your name (without resorting to childishness like you did a few minutes ago).......sorry again, Im bang out of order. | Nov 12 02:00 |
| EDavidBurg | Well, I've got a chemistry midterm tomorrow, I could probably be spending my time more productively... | Nov 12 02:00 |
| _goblin | never a truer word said. | Nov 12 02:00 |
| EDavidBurg | good night | Nov 12 02:00 |
| shreddar | I have no idea what you guy's are going back and forth on. Must be one of those you had to be there things. | Nov 12 02:00 |
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| _goblin | Shreddar: Edavidburg is here to make a mockery of Roy and Boycott Novell...I found out and exposed that fact. He is not interested in chatting here in the spirit of debate and belongs to a site where they spend most of their time insulting Roy and making fun of users from the Ubuntu forums. | Nov 12 02:02 |
| _goblin | Shreddar: Notice how he didn't offer you an invite? He was probably waiting for you to ask, so he could write and brag about winding BN chatroom users up. | Nov 12 02:03 |
| shreddar | IM me the site please, I wanna see. | Nov 12 02:04 |
| shreddar | PM | Nov 12 02:04 |
| _goblin | shreddar: standby....I'll have to dig the link out. | Nov 12 02:04 |
| _goblin | shreddar: coming to you now. | Nov 12 02:05 |
| ender2070 | oh hes probably that guy who runs bbn | Nov 12 02:09 |
| ender2070 | or affiliated | Nov 12 02:09 |
| ender2070 | they did mention bbn | Nov 12 02:09 |
| ThistleWeb | I've been curious to go to the bbn irc after I heard about it out of curiosity | Nov 12 02:10 |
| ThistleWeb | not done it yet, but it did cross my mind a time or two | Nov 12 02:10 |
| ender2070 | they have one? | Nov 12 02:10 |
| ThistleWeb | I think so | Nov 12 02:10 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 12 02:10 |
| ThistleWeb | I dunno | Nov 12 02:10 |
| ThistleWeb | my understanding was that it was a mirror of BN but fulla dipshits | Nov 12 02:11 |
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| ender2070 | well yes | Nov 12 02:11 |
| ender2070 | thats the nature of the site itself | Nov 12 02:11 |
| _goblin | Its actually good in a way....in order for someone to create that site, it shows to me that there are many worried about alternative thinking... | Nov 12 02:12 |
| ThistleWeb | never had the inclination to type "boycott" twice in the url bar to find out what their site is like | Nov 12 02:12 |
| ThistleWeb | its one of the words I almost always spell wrong | Nov 12 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | I found the Finding of Fact from my Medicaid appeal last year | Nov 12 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | that judge I got was such a bitch | Nov 12 02:12 |
| ender2070 | do a site: search on google for shestowitz for example, and you'll get 94 results | Nov 12 02:12 |
| _goblin | Mother Microsoft does not stand for having choice......"Do it our way or not at all" | Nov 12 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | "The appelant is not currently participating in any group or individual psychotherapies" | Nov 12 02:13 |
| ThistleWeb | for some reason my brain keeps thinking theres a u in it as in bouycott or a single t as in boycot | Nov 12 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Wish there was a way for me to comment on that on a line item basis | Nov 12 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | "Judge Stupid Cunt seems blissfully unaware of how much that costs, which is precluding me from participating" | Nov 12 02:13 |
| _goblin | Its a little sad how the detractors to FOSS have never realized that by saying nothing from the beginning probably would have been better for preventing the growth of users of alternatives to MS products. | Nov 12 02:14 |
| ender2070 | bbn is like "schestowitz this, schestowitz that! rms is sexist!' | Nov 12 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | "None of appellant's pysicians returned a Form 251A - Determination of Disability" | Nov 12 02:15 |
| ThistleWeb | thats an unfortunate name, I wonder how they got through school with the name Stupid Cunt, and how the hell they got to be a judge too, that shows real determination in the face of dodgy parenting | Nov 12 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | "Appellant replies that Appellant's doctor is an asshole" | Nov 12 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 12 02:15 |
| ender2070 | lol, bbn has only around 100 ppl who vote on the polls | Nov 12 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | "This twenty-four year old young man's only diagnosis is bipolar disorder that is currently being treated successfully with Lithium" | Nov 12 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | "Appellant requests that Judge Stupid Cunt come over and observe how well the Lithium is in fact working" | Nov 12 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 12 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | I should apply again just to fuck with them | Nov 12 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | and keep applying over and over | Nov 12 02:18 |
| _goblin | thats also probably faked... | Nov 12 02:18 |
| _goblin | I would question more than about 10.... | Nov 12 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's easier to get on Social Security than anything else | Nov 12 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | almost anyway | Nov 12 02:18 |
| _goblin | their chat room maxed out at 9 once (apparently) | Nov 12 02:18 |
| _goblin | ;) | Nov 12 02:18 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Nov 12 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | In terms of assistance programs, food stamps is the easiest, cause all they do is look at your income | Nov 12 02:19 |
| ender2070 | i love how their site shows active users | Nov 12 02:19 |
| _goblin | unfortunately, one of their users is a friend of mine who lives 3 doors down from me... | Nov 12 02:19 |
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| ender2070 | its usually 14-15 | Nov 12 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | if you're grossing less than $1100 a month, you probably will get SOME food stamps | Nov 12 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | I think if you make that much you'll get like $4 a month :P | Nov 12 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo | Nov 12 02:20 |
| _goblin | he lets me know about what they are up to... | Nov 12 02:20 |
| ThistleWeb | thats what happens when you have nothing to offer, no alternate real discussions, just one focus of negativity.....sooner or later your mind runs out of ways to say "BN is gay", specially if you're the type who cant think for yourself to see why BN exissts | Nov 12 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | the best way to go about applying for food stamps is to have a lot of rent or utilities to pay, cause they count that as neutralizing your income | Nov 12 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | so you may as well live in a nice apartment | Nov 12 02:21 |
| ThistleWeb | it's one thing to understand and disagree, it's another to just sit like a bunch of neanderthals picking each others hair lice and repeating the same lines to each other as original thought | Nov 12 02:21 |
| _goblin | ender2070: I wouldn't believe that either....if it hadn't been for this chat room would you ever have heard of Lin%%% | Nov 12 02:21 |
| ThistleWeb | it's like watching beavis and buthead debate, only without the humour | Nov 12 02:21 |
| _goblin | or beavis and butthead. | Nov 12 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | after food stamps, is probably social security disability, but that's a lot harder | Nov 12 02:21 |
| ender2070 | _goblin - actually yes i have heard of linsux, from identica | Nov 12 02:22 |
| shreddar | Well, I heard of beavis and buthead. | Nov 12 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | after that is Medicaid which is like 10 times harder than SSDI | Nov 12 02:22 |
| ender2070 | _goblin - sir sane was trolling me | Nov 12 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | and after that is Section 8 housing, which is a 5 year waiting list around here | Nov 12 02:22 |
| _goblin | ender2070: Ah... I didn't think they had worked out Identi.ca yet...They are on Twitter... | Nov 12 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | so you might as well forget about applying for Medicaid if you can walk, talk, or pick anything up | Nov 12 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | you basically have to be Hellen Keller | Nov 12 02:23 |
| _goblin | ender2070: who knows, maybe in a few years they will work out Wave....they seem to have learnt how to make blogs..... | Nov 12 02:23 |
| ender2070 | all they do on identica is spam bbns latest articles and then they all comment on each others spam to get the numbers up | Nov 12 02:23 |
| ThistleWeb | ender2070: which is what they claim about BN as a smear | Nov 12 02:23 |
| _goblin | ender2070: we should really encourage them, its probably better than them being in society. | Nov 12 02:24 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 12 02:24 |
| ender2070 | they just show the world | Nov 12 02:24 |
| ThistleWeb | the more time they spend with laptops on their laps the more chance their dna leaves the gene pool in this generation | Nov 12 02:24 |
| ThistleWeb | of course the other put down I like is "they are living proof that somebody somewhere pissed in the gene pool" | Nov 12 02:25 |
| _goblin | maybe BN helps keep the unfortunates off the streets? - Maybe Roy should be knighted? Since they spend so much time talking about him its a great service Roy is providing to the world.... | Nov 12 02:25 |
| ender2070 | their power hungry ms apps will make that happen sooner too | Nov 12 02:25 |
| shreddar | So they weren't just BSD fans? | Nov 12 02:26 |
| _goblin | instead of Mono - Novells gift to the world.....it should be Boycott Novell - helping keep your streets safer... | Nov 12 02:26 |
| ender2070 | they cant be | Nov 12 02:26 |
| ender2070 | bsd isnt laptop friendly | Nov 12 02:26 |
| _goblin | BSD? I don't think they know what that is...they probably think it some sort of medical condition. | Nov 12 02:27 |
| ender2070 | we have all the good wifi drivers | Nov 12 02:27 |
| ender2070 | no but if u go to the lins*x forums | Nov 12 02:27 |
| ThistleWeb | BSD does sound like an STD from watching internet porn | Nov 12 02:27 |
| ender2070 | check everyones signature | Nov 12 02:27 |
| ender2070 | they all brag about being freebsd/winxp users or freebsd/vista(7) users | Nov 12 02:28 |
| ThistleWeb | DTD (digitally transmitted desease) is already taken | Nov 12 02:28 |
| _goblin | yes because BSD and Vista is such a sensible combination....???!??? | Nov 12 02:28 |
| ender2070 | mono has a very informative name | Nov 12 02:28 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, they dont run BSD | Nov 12 02:28 |
| ender2070 | it aptly describes its ownself as a disease | Nov 12 02:28 |
| _goblin | BSD is an excuse....its non threatening in the same way Linux is and therefore safe to mention. | Nov 12 02:28 |
| cubezzz | what's wrong with BSD? | Nov 12 02:29 |
| ender2070 | nothing | Nov 12 02:29 |
| _goblin | *edit: Non threatening in respect of market penetration compared to Linux.... | Nov 12 02:29 |
| ender2070 | bsd is fine but its zealots came here to bother us | Nov 12 02:30 |
| _goblin | Ive no opinion on BSD because Ive never really spent any time with it.... | Nov 12 02:30 |
| cubezzz | I've used it, it's good for servers | Nov 12 02:30 |
| ender2070 | BSD as a license means you basicly give someone permission to do whatever they want with your code, including making proprietary software | Nov 12 02:31 |
| cubezzz | parts of Linux are directly from BSD | Nov 12 02:31 |
| ender2070 | yes because you can do so | Nov 12 02:31 |
| ender2070 | the licenses are compatible in that way, one way | Nov 12 02:32 |
| ender2070 | at least when it goes the GPL way, you can still see the changes and make your own based on them | Nov 12 02:33 |
| cubezzz | really we have BSD descentants now | Nov 12 02:36 |
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| cubezzz | descented from 386BSD and 4.4BSD-Lite | Nov 12 02:36 |
| ender2070 | a lot of os's | Nov 12 02:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Before I go for the night. Long day at work tomorrow and won't be online until about 11pm :( Gn. Thanks the emails some have sent! | Nov 12 02:37 | |
| _goblin | and thats me done.....smoke then bed... | Nov 12 02:37 |
| _goblin | goodnight all... | Nov 12 02:38 |
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| cubezzz | the thing I find interesting was that BSD was open before Linux | Nov 12 02:38 |
| shreddar | It was going to be, anyway. | Nov 12 02:39 |
| cubezzz | you got a BSD distribution in the 70's you got the source code with it | Nov 12 02:39 |
| cubezzz | of course you still needed a computer that could run it | Nov 12 02:39 |
| ender2070 | thats stallman's purpose | Nov 12 02:39 |
| ender2070 | in the 80's that started to change | Nov 12 02:40 |
| ender2070 | people were closing up their software | Nov 12 02:40 |
| ender2070 | he was resisting it | Nov 12 02:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Dr. Steffie Woolhandler on how house #hcr bill will not change anything #corporatewelfare #healthcare #singlepayer http://ur1.ca/fm2r | Nov 12 02:40 | |
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| ender2070 | the bsd stuff legally settled in the 90's | Nov 12 02:41 |
| cubezzz | so unless you had a PDP-11 or similar, you couldn't run it in the home | Nov 12 02:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @RobinGrantham: #HR676 Fam of 4 making 56k would pay $2700/year for comprehensive coverage. No co-pay, no med-bill bankruptcy. #hcr | Nov 12 02:41 | |
| ThistleWeb | companies closing up was a lot to do with Microsoft telling companies you have to close up of they'll steal you into the poor house | Nov 12 02:42 |
| cubezzz | at least now Microsoft is up against an implacable enemy | Nov 12 02:43 |
| cubezzz | BSD -> Solaris, BSD -> Linux | Nov 12 02:44 |
| ender2070 | solaris is pretty nice | Nov 12 02:44 |
| cubezzz | Stallman could have just used BSD | Nov 12 02:45 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - the problem with BSD in the 80's was the legal issues | Nov 12 02:45 |
| cubezzz | which I'm sure he did, but obviously he didn't stop there | Nov 12 02:45 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - bsd vs at&t | Nov 12 02:45 |
| shreddar | ThistleWeb Is microsoft really behind the move towards proprietary software we have? | Nov 12 02:46 |
| cubezzz | we don't have a movement _towards_ proprietary software | Nov 12 02:46 |
| cubezzz | at least I don't believe we do | Nov 12 02:46 |
| ThistleWeb | in the 80's they were a large part of it yes | Nov 12 02:47 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont think they were the only ones, but they were a driving force in the snowball | Nov 12 02:47 |
| ThistleWeb | it's like their patent racketeering, "they all agree, they must know something you don't....so sign and give us cash" | Nov 12 02:48 |
| cubezzz | http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html | Nov 12 02:48 |
| ThistleWeb | the more companies who do it, the more those who dont feel compelled to follow in case they're left behind, and in this case the consequences MS were telling them was their companies going bankrupt | Nov 12 02:49 |
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| cubezzz | ThistleWeb, all the racketeering should drive more companies to Linux or BSD | Nov 12 02:50 |
| cubezzz | you could say, here's the source, it's all yours for $XX.XX | Nov 12 02:51 |
| ThistleWeb | I can understand the levers MS pulled | Nov 12 02:51 |
| ThistleWeb | I can imagine it'd be easy then to fall for it | Nov 12 02:51 |
| ThistleWeb | we look at this from a different point in time | Nov 12 02:52 |
| cubezzz | I remember the 80's well | Nov 12 02:52 |
| shreddar | I still would like to see some accounts of that happening in the 80's. I never heard of this before. | Nov 12 02:52 |
| ThistleWeb | they looked at it from "making money, doing quite well" to "OMG we could be bankrupt, all those other guys splashing the cash won't be us" | Nov 12 02:52 |
| cubezzz | we used Xenix 286, Xenix 386, SCO Unix System V, AmigaDOS and MS DOS | Nov 12 02:53 |
| ThistleWeb | what MS were selling was the "close it and make a fortune" or "leave it open and go bankrupt" | Nov 12 02:53 |
| cubezzz | can't remember ever using anything open until the 90's though | Nov 12 02:53 |
| ThistleWeb | like everything they say, it's all deception and lies | Nov 12 02:53 |
| cubezzz | would have been nice if AmigaDOS was open, but it wasn't | Nov 12 02:54 |
| ThistleWeb | but peeps fall for it when the voice in question has some buisness cred | Nov 12 02:54 |
| cubezzz | everything I saw was closed: desqview, topview, and umm, all the *nix stuff I saw | Nov 12 02:55 |
| shreddar | I guess copy writing source code wasn't taken seriously at that time. | Nov 12 02:55 |
| shreddar | copyrighting | Nov 12 02:56 |
| cubezzz | there was always people writing open source in that you could download the source | Nov 12 02:56 |
| cubezzz | but not a complete operating system | Nov 12 02:56 |
| cubezzz | e,g, the Amiga had Fish disks | Nov 12 02:56 |
| ender2070 | yeah people were stripping out proprietary apps and replacing them with open source | Nov 12 02:56 |
| cubezzz | I think Minix was open too | Nov 12 02:57 |
| cubezzz | you could buy it from Prentice Hall in the form of a book | Nov 12 02:57 |
| ender2070 | compute magazine used to publish source code for these little games | Nov 12 02:58 |
| cubezzz | sure | Nov 12 02:58 |
| cubezzz | Compute started in the early 80's I think | Nov 12 02:59 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 12 02:59 |
| shreddar | If microsoft were to put open the source code (still not under GPL or BSD though) how could that hurt them? | Nov 12 02:59 |
| ender2070 | i got a few issues from the 80's | Nov 12 02:59 |
| cubezzz | is byte magazine still going? | Nov 12 02:59 |
| ThistleWeb | lil tip for opera users | Nov 12 02:59 |
| ender2070 | f** opera | Nov 12 02:59 |
| ThistleWeb | tyr typing /. in the address bar and hitting enter | Nov 12 02:59 |
| cubezzz | obviously the internet jump-started the whole Linux thing | Nov 12 03:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Eric Massa outlines reasons for his vote against #HealthCare Legislation http://ur1.ca/fm3s #hcr | Nov 12 03:01 | |
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| cubezzz | public internet access directly led to the development of Linux, but Linus needed gcc and Minix for starting out | Nov 12 03:01 |
| ender2070 | and apache | Nov 12 03:02 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft crudded up the internet though | Nov 12 03:02 |
| ender2070 | apache was big | Nov 12 03:02 |
| ender2070 | because you could run apache on linux, you had a free web server | Nov 12 03:03 |
| ender2070 | other than hardware | Nov 12 03:03 |
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| cubezzz | httpd on NextStep at the very beginning | Nov 12 03:04 |
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| ender2070 | www was born on nextstep | Nov 12 03:05 |
| cubezzz | IIS is actually going down percentage-wise | Nov 12 03:05 |
| ender2070 | the IIS free trials are over | Nov 12 03:05 |
| shreddar | IIS? | Nov 12 03:05 |
| ender2070 | windows server * | Nov 12 03:05 |
| shreddar | Oh. | Nov 12 03:06 |
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| tessier | IIS free trials? Does it come with a free hit of crack? | Nov 12 03:09 |
| cubezzz | maybe :) | Nov 12 03:09 |
| cubezzz | the very first Microsoft web server was freeware | Nov 12 03:10 |
| tessier | It was funny how whenever some major domain parker would switch to IIS MS would make sure there were plenty of headlines about the huge jump in IIS marketshare. | Nov 12 03:11 |
| tessier | Even though many thousands of those sites were all hosted on the same machine. | Nov 12 03:11 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Nov 12 03:11 |
| cubezzz | lol | Nov 12 03:11 |
| ender2070 | then a major domain parker's windows server trial expired and they migrated back | Nov 12 03:11 |
| cubezzz | that would explain a lot | Nov 12 03:11 |
| cubezzz | I think Vista comes with IIS but limits concurrent requests to 10 | Nov 12 03:13 |
| ender2070 | its funny how msft thought it could charge people more if they wanted to allow more visitors to reach their site | Nov 12 03:13 |
| cubezzz | standard Microsoft thinking since the Altair days | Nov 12 03:14 |
| cubezzz | but knowing that, why would any sane person use them? | Nov 12 03:15 |
| ender2070 | I know places that replaced IIS on NT4 with apache | Nov 12 03:15 |
| cubezzz | I would be suspicious though of MIcrosoft not playing nicely with Apache | Nov 12 03:15 |
| cubezzz | much safer to completely dispense with the big M | Nov 12 03:16 |
| ender2070 | oh for sure | Nov 12 03:16 |
| ender2070 | my only ms dealings are a gaming pc i have | Nov 12 03:18 |
| ender2070 | i managed to get a free oem copy of win7 ultimate the other day too | Nov 12 03:18 |
| zer0c00l | Any statistics available on new market share? links ? | Nov 12 03:20 |
| ender2070 | probably very high | Nov 12 03:20 |
| ender2070 | they are giving away free copies | Nov 12 03:20 |
| zer0c00l | ender2070: Free copies of iis ? | Nov 12 03:21 |
| zer0c00l | ender2070: link? | Nov 12 03:21 |
| ender2070 | free copies of win7 | Nov 12 03:21 |
| ender2070 | i got it in the mail | Nov 12 03:21 |
| zer0c00l | why would they do that? to promote iis? | Nov 12 03:21 |
| ender2070 | to promote their "high" win7 market share | Nov 12 03:21 |
| ender2070 | if you want web marketshare, www.netcraft.com | Nov 12 03:22 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_desktop_operating_systems | Nov 12 03:23 |
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| tessier | IMHO a lot of people out there just aren't very good at technology. | Nov 12 03:24 |
| tessier | They are easily brainwashed and insecure. | Nov 12 03:24 |
| tessier | They want someone to blame and they don't want to have to learn how to type. | Nov 12 03:25 |
| tessier | The people who are good at technology who also use Windows tend to be peacemaker types. | Nov 12 03:25 |
| tessier | They don't want to offend anyone or turn down any potential Windows jobs. | Nov 12 03:25 |
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| cubezzz | I'm becoming more and more Stallmanite :) | Nov 12 03:25 |
| zer0c00l | ender2070: Apache is 0.3 pc up, and msft is 0.21 pc less? | Nov 12 03:25 |
| cubezzz | yeah and butter wouldn't melt in their mouths | Nov 12 03:26 |
| tessier | They also tend to be "anything to pay the bills" types. | Nov 12 03:26 |
| zer0c00l | grr apache 0.21 and iis is -0.3 pc less | Nov 12 03:26 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 12 03:26 |
| zer0c00l | you sure iis free trail expired :D lol | Nov 12 03:26 |
| cubezzz | yeah they were in the high 30's at one point | Nov 12 03:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @tamenem: Taking Away Patients' Rights To Further Enrich Insurance Companies http://ur1.ca/fm58 #hcr #singlepayer | Nov 12 03:28 | |
| cubezzz | that's a big drop | Nov 12 03:28 |
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| ender2070 | at any point ms's numbers get high around releases and then go back down | Nov 12 03:30 |
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| ender2070 | lol emacs | Nov 12 04:00 |
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| _Hicham_ | what about emacs ? | Nov 12 04:06 |
| shreddar | I think people shouldn't have to learn to type. | Nov 12 04:12 |
| shreddar | Keyboard should be in alphabetical order like everything else. | Nov 12 04:12 |
| shreddar | Also, voice and handwriting recognition will eventually be good enough for most people. (who don't type anyway) | Nov 12 04:14 |
| shreddar | I can see MID and internet connected TVs making big use of voice recognition. | Nov 12 04:15 |
| shreddar | But just the change to alphabetical order would be a step in the right direction for alot of people. | Nov 12 04:16 |
| ender2070 | seen the google gps navigator? | Nov 12 04:17 |
| ender2070 | its voice activated too | Nov 12 04:19 |
| shreddar | I'm watching the video for it now. | Nov 12 04:20 |
| _Hicham_ | shreddar : the keyboard layout is significant | Nov 12 04:22 |
| shreddar | _Hicham_ I know it was created to keep typewriters from jamming. | Nov 12 04:24 |
| ender2070 | we should all be using dvorak | Nov 12 04:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @TheOnion: BREAKING: Lou Dobbs Deported From U.S. -- CNN Host Living Illegally In Country Since 1961 http://bit.ly/21zgf4 | Nov 12 04:25 | |
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| shreddar | Dvorak could probably work too. But I'm certain people (who can't type) would immediately feel comfortable with alphabetical order. | Nov 12 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | I may go to Fedora when 12 is official | Nov 12 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | I want off Windows, even Windows 7 isn't really doing it for me | Nov 12 04:31 |
| ender2070 | its semi official | Nov 12 04:31 |
| ender2070 | get a rawhide daily | Nov 12 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | but it seems like my Radeon card would need FGLRX right now, which is pretty lousy iirc | Nov 12 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be using Fedora cause as far as I know, nobody else even has experimental RadeonHD 4000 series support without FGLRX | Nov 12 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | Phoronix tested out the RadeonHD 4890 with Fedora's unofficial 3d acceleration support and found some glitches | Nov 12 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | ATI dropped my Radeon 200m in the laptop from FGLRX, probably cause it never worked right anyway and it was a few years old | Nov 12 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | radeonhd works well enough though, better than FGLRX ever did | Nov 12 04:37 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : file a bug to fedora, so that they can know | Nov 12 04:37 |
| ender2070 | i know his problem | Nov 12 04:37 |
| ender2070 | not enough cowbell | Nov 12 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I'd rather that they just shipped the experimental version by default | Nov 12 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | it beats nothing but 2d EXA support | Nov 12 04:38 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - sounds like u should be running arch | Nov 12 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have experimental support than none | Nov 12 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | it would have let them get more feedback too | Nov 12 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | that sounds more like Fedora than what they did | Nov 12 04:38 |
| shreddar | I'm going to sleep. Goodnight guys. | Nov 12 04:39 |
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| _Hicham_ | then download the driver and compile it ur self | Nov 12 04:39 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not that hard | Nov 12 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, The pitfall of using an RPM distro is that everyone is packaging things for Ubuntu now | Nov 12 04:39 |
| ender2070 | poppycock | Nov 12 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's easier to be a lazy SOB on Ubuntu cause there's always a DEB | Nov 12 04:39 |
| ender2070 | thats bs | Nov 12 04:39 |
| _Hicham_ | it is easier to make rpms | Nov 12 04:40 |
| _Hicham_ | trust me | Nov 12 04:40 |
| ender2070 | redhat has more market share | Nov 12 04:40 |
| ender2070 | noobzilla | Nov 12 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, If there's only one or the other, they usually just throw you a DEB and that's the Linux version | Nov 12 04:40 |
| _Hicham_ | and rpm is still more widespread than deb | Nov 12 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | that didn't used to be so until Ubuntu | Nov 12 04:40 |
| _Hicham_ | show me a proprietary software where there is only a deb | Nov 12 04:41 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - you run windows, what do u run | Nov 12 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu and Debian, and other Debian spinoffs probably have more users between them than all the RPM distros | Nov 12 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | it shifted at some point around late 2006 | Nov 12 04:41 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - thats because they all base themselves off Debian | Nov 12 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | it used to be the other way around, if it was one or the other, it would be RPM | Nov 12 04:41 |
| _Hicham_ | the problem with Debian and Ubuntu is that they are very conservatives | Nov 12 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | Skype only had a DEB til recently | Nov 12 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | enough people complained and they made an RPM | Nov 12 04:42 |
| ender2070 | most of them are ubuntu spinoffs, which are just ubuntu with a different wm (hardly a different distro) | Nov 12 04:42 |
| _Hicham_ | this is simply not true | Nov 12 04:42 |
| _Hicham_ | plus, debs and rpms are the same | Nov 12 04:43 |
| _Hicham_ | u can use alien | Nov 12 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I sometimes joke that the biggest difference between an Ubuntu spinoff and Ubuntu is usually the default wallpaper | Nov 12 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Sometimes | Nov 12 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | good luck with that | Nov 12 04:43 |
| _Hicham_ | all the times | Nov 12 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Alien has never worked right for me | Nov 12 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | well, except when I needed to convert nspluginwrapper a few years back | Nov 12 04:43 |
| _Hicham_ | but i hardly have to, since i compile things from source | Nov 12 04:43 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - thats for the satanic, christian and other religious distro | Nov 12 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | but that doesn't really have any dependencies anyway | Nov 12 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, The biggest difference I've seen in an Ubuntu spinoff was Mint | Nov 12 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | the same effect is easily obtained on Ubuntu | Nov 12 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | menus and themes and such | Nov 12 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | I did manage to get my dad off of OpenSuse at least | Nov 12 04:45 |
| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : can't u compile the driver on Ubuntu ? | Nov 12 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | it finally failed him when he tried to put it on his new laptop | Nov 12 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Probably | Nov 12 04:45 |
| _Hicham_ | OpenSUSE is great | Nov 12 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | I gave him an Ubuntu CD and it fired up and just worked | Nov 12 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | and so I ended up prying Suse off his desktop as well | Nov 12 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | he had it on that thing so long that he still had Reiser on his partitions | Nov 12 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | he never throws anything away | Nov 12 04:47 |
| _Hicham_ | which suse version ? | Nov 12 04:47 |
| ender2070 | reiser is badass | Nov 12 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, he was using 11.1 | Nov 12 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | I put him on Ubuntu 9.04, the latest at the time | Nov 12 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | I walked him through upgrading to 9.10 on the phone a few days ago | Nov 12 04:48 |
| _Hicham_ | Great | Nov 12 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | he's never used anything Debian-based | Nov 12 04:48 |
| _Hicham_ | then ur dad is a linux pro ? | Nov 12 04:48 |
| ender2070 | Fedora is teh best | Nov 12 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, He sees it a lot at work | Nov 12 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | Suse, RHEL, and Windows | Nov 12 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | he's told me that whenever they call him in for a problem, it's almost always caused by the Windows systems | Nov 12 04:49 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 12 04:49 |
| _Hicham_ | PackageKit is gonna end-up the package management dilemma soon | Nov 12 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | He was telling me that the Windows Server systems have great troubleshooting utilities | Nov 12 04:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Microsoft Patents sudo ? http://tr.im/EN3s #stopsoftwarepatents | Nov 12 04:50 | |
| DaemonFC | I told him that must be because you need to use them more there | Nov 12 04:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Microsoft Patents Sudo?!! .::. Size~: 151.63 KB | Nov 12 04:50 |
| fewa | _Hicham_, I thought you have DaemonFC on ignore | Nov 12 04:51 |
| fewa | *hda | Nov 12 04:51 |
| fewa | *had | Nov 12 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_ loves me | Nov 12 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | can't live without me | Nov 12 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | I am the sunshine of _Hicham_'s life | Nov 12 04:51 |
| ender2070 | packagekit owns | Nov 12 04:51 |
| ender2070 | what are u talking about | Nov 12 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I don't like it | Nov 12 04:52 |
| ender2070 | you dont have to use it | Nov 12 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's a personal preference I guess, but Synaptic spanks it | Nov 12 04:52 |
| ender2070 | synaptic is a *buntu thing | Nov 12 04:52 |
| _Hicham_ | fewa : why ? | Nov 12 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | Synaptic just gives you so much more information about what's available and what you're doing | Nov 12 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Mandriva's RPMdrake is not bad either | Nov 12 04:52 |
| ender2070 | -1 | Nov 12 04:52 |
| _Hicham_ | PackageKit is a work in progress | Nov 12 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | You shouldn't have to know what you want, by name, necessarily | Nov 12 04:53 |
| _Hicham_ | a lot of features are planned | Nov 12 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | Packagekit in KDE sucks | Nov 12 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't group anything | Nov 12 04:53 |
| ender2070 | i actually like KPackageKit | Nov 12 04:53 |
| _Hicham_ | didn't use it on KDE | Nov 12 04:53 |
| ender2070 | it can be improved yes | Nov 12 04:53 |
| _Hicham_ | but the gnome UI is ok | Nov 12 04:54 |
| ender2070 | but it does its job as an auto updater | Nov 12 04:54 |
| _Hicham_ | OpenSUSE adopted the PackageKit updater by default | Nov 12 04:54 |
| ender2070 | i prefer yum via command line to install stuff | Nov 12 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME is better for simplicity, but there's a lot of rough edges when you start trying to do things like compositing | Nov 12 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | that's what finally infuriated me into preferring KDE | Nov 12 04:54 |
| _Hicham_ | huh, then u gonna troll for KDE | Nov 12 04:54 |
| ender2070 | GNOME is becoming lamer with each release | Nov 12 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | Compiz still provokes a lot of GNOME bugs | Nov 12 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | KWin is so much smoother | Nov 12 04:55 |
| _Hicham_ | so are u GDaemonFC or KDaemonFC ? | Nov 12 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | If the GNOME people know what they're doing, Compiz will be integrated by 3.0 | Nov 12 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | K | Nov 12 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 12 04:55 |
| _Hicham_ | compiz won't be runnable on gnome-3.0 | Nov 12 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, So what will the compositor be? | Nov 12 04:56 |
| _Hicham_ | coz some elements are gonna tightly integrated | Nov 12 04:56 |
| ender2070 | not until team mono ports direct x | Nov 12 04:56 |
| _Hicham_ | didn't u use gnome-shell ? | Nov 12 04:56 |
| _Hicham_ | gnome-shell has a built-in compositor | Nov 12 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, I tried it under Ubuntu and it seemed not to have installed right | Nov 12 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | it was like empty and broken so I switched back | Nov 12 04:57 |
| _Hicham_ | for now, it support the zoom effect only | Nov 12 04:57 |
| _Hicham_ | u didn't have the taskbar on top ? | Nov 12 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | I had....something | Nov 12 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | mostly black and blank | Nov 12 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | it was severely messed up | Nov 12 04:57 |
| _Hicham_ | no Activities Menu ? | Nov 12 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Nov 12 04:57 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Nov 12 04:57 |
| _Hicham_ | I had a smooth experience on F12 | Nov 12 04:58 |
| ender2070 | F12! | Nov 12 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I'll try it again there | Nov 12 04:58 |
| _Hicham_ | u have it under Desktop Effects | Nov 12 04:58 |
| _Hicham_ | one u install gnome-shell package | Nov 12 04:58 |
| ender2070 | F12 rawhide is currently what will be final | Nov 12 04:58 |
| _Hicham_ | thanks to Owen Taylor for supporting gnome-shell | Nov 12 04:58 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : it is already final for me | Nov 12 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora usually ends up being more or less what you'll see 6 months from now in other distros | Nov 12 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | so it's hard not to like for that alone | Nov 12 04:59 |
| _Hicham_ | no noticeable bugs so far | Nov 12 04:59 |
| ender2070 | F11 had kde 4.3 in updates | Nov 12 05:00 |
| ender2070 | which is what impressed me a lot | Nov 12 05:00 |
| ender2070 | kubuntu would have me wait for 9.10 | Nov 12 05:00 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, Fedora's updates are more flexible than other distros | Nov 12 05:00 |
| ender2070 | F12 is gonna get KDE 4.4 and QT 4.6 soon too | Nov 12 05:00 |
| _Hicham_ | kernel 2.6.30 is in F11 updates-testing | Nov 12 05:00 |
| _Hicham_ | it is featuring X Sever 1.7.0 | Nov 12 05:01 |
| ender2070 | its been here a while - 2.6.30.9-96.fc11.x86_64 | Nov 12 05:01 |
| ender2070 | im not using updates-testing | Nov 12 05:01 |
| _Hicham_ | most distros now are using X Server 1.6.5 | Nov 12 05:01 |
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| _Hicham_ | great | Nov 12 05:01 |
| _Hicham_ | I have got this kernel long time ago via updates-testing | Nov 12 05:02 |
| ender2070 | my laptop is F11 | Nov 12 05:02 |
| _Hicham_ | I am now on F12 | Nov 12 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | not having to depend on out of tree drivers is my number 1 requirement | Nov 12 05:02 |
| ender2070 | im gonna update when rpmfusion has my nvidia blob | Nov 12 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like having to add repositories and install software I don't trust | Nov 12 05:02 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : did u try nouveau driver ? | Nov 12 05:02 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 12 05:03 |
| _Hicham_ | did it work ? | Nov 12 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | RPM Fusion is the most annoying thing about Fedora | Nov 12 05:03 |
| ender2070 | its power management isn't good enough | Nov 12 05:03 |
| ender2070 | my laptop melts | Nov 12 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | waiting for them to catch up | Nov 12 05:03 |
| _Hicham_ | RPM Fusion is great | Nov 12 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | they have nonfree codecs for F12 already? | Nov 12 05:03 |
| _Hicham_ | it provides a lot of useful software | Nov 12 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the nonfree codecs are all I really want | Nov 12 05:03 |
| ender2070 | they have nonfree everthing in f12 right now except nvidia | Nov 12 05:03 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, I have mp3, since a long time on F12 | Nov 12 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Nov 12 05:04 |
| ender2070 | theres even a skype repo | Nov 12 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | tempting, tempting | Nov 12 05:04 |
| ender2070 | :P | Nov 12 05:04 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : it is not hard to make the nvidia kmod or akmod | Nov 12 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | But do I have to sacrifice virgins to the devil to get my 3d card working? | Nov 12 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 12 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | Cause I will. | Nov 12 05:04 |
| _Hicham_ | why u don't want to use FGLRX ? | Nov 12 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, Last time I tried it, though I admit it was a while..... | Nov 12 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | my computer could no longer sleep | Nov 12 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | and the performance was about half of the XP driver | Nov 12 05:05 |
| _Hicham_ | of course it will be half | Nov 12 05:06 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not as tested as the xp one | Nov 12 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | well, cutting my performance to half of what I get under Windows is a no-no | Nov 12 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 12 05:06 |
| ender2070 | oh u have ati? | Nov 12 05:06 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070, Yes | Nov 12 05:06 |
| ender2070 | i hate ati | Nov 12 05:07 |
| _Hicham_ | here is mutex again | Nov 12 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | it performs spectacularly under Windows | Nov 12 05:07 |
| ender2070 | nvidia is better | Nov 12 05:07 |
| _Hicham_ | norred : speak up | Nov 12 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, It's mostly about the quality of the driver | Nov 12 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | the Linux driver from ATI is kind of half-assed | Nov 12 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they use their whole ass, I don't know | Nov 12 05:07 |
| ender2070 | the nvidia driver is usually high quality | Nov 12 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | it runs like ass | Nov 12 05:07 |
| _Hicham_ | the fglrx is crappy, according to Dave Airlie | Nov 12 05:07 |
| ender2070 | ati has a one man driver team for linux | Nov 12 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, so their driver is basic and shitty and jsut enough to give you the basic features of the card | Nov 12 05:08 |
| ender2070 | seems like it | Nov 12 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | because they don't take Linux seriously enough to assign at least a 3-4 person team | Nov 12 05:08 |
| ender2070 | nvidia deals with hollywood render farms that use linux clusters and quadro's | Nov 12 05:09 |
| _Hicham_ | there are 3 people exactly | Nov 12 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I went ATI, there WILL eventually be some kind of open source driver | Nov 12 05:09 |
| ender2070 | they take linux seriously | Nov 12 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | there never will be with Nvidia | Nov 12 05:09 |
| _Hicham_ | it will never be open sourced | Nov 12 05:09 |
| _Hicham_ | third party licenses prevents them | Nov 12 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | you won't see ATI releasing their HDCP specs | Nov 12 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | but nobody is buying into Blu Ray anyway | Nov 12 05:09 |
| _Hicham_ | they already released the specs for their cards | Nov 12 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | the Blu Ray players out there are getting price-cuts to the bone | Nov 12 05:10 |
| _Hicham_ | Nvidia didn't | Nov 12 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | to try and get someone to fall for it | Nov 12 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | _Hicham_, They can't release the HDCP specs | Nov 12 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I'm saying | Nov 12 05:10 |
| ender2070 | i do hope nouveu gets better | Nov 12 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's possible someone will figure them out eventually I guess | Nov 12 05:10 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : then try F12 | Nov 12 05:10 |
| _Hicham_ | reverse engineering is the solution | Nov 12 05:11 |
| ender2070 | i have | Nov 12 05:11 |
| _Hicham_ | as they did with nouveau | Nov 12 05:11 |
| ender2070 | oh i dont have time for that | Nov 12 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Nvidia's position on Nouveau is "We won't sue it, but we're not going to help" | Nov 12 05:11 |
| ender2070 | nvidia said nouveau is doing an excellent job | Nov 12 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | one of Nvidia's guys said in an interview that Nouveau has impressed him so far | Nov 12 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Nov 12 05:11 |
| _Hicham_ | nouveau supports KMS | Nov 12 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | nvidia doesn't | Nov 12 05:12 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Nov 12 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | that's for sure | Nov 12 05:12 |
| ender2070 | who supports nouveau | Nov 12 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | most of the radeonhd driver is stable and high quality | Nov 12 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | 2d acceleration is fast as hell | Nov 12 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | KMS works | Nov 12 05:12 |
| ender2070 | i ran f12 on here but my laptops fans didnt run as much | Nov 12 05:13 |
| ender2070 | it got quite hot | Nov 12 05:13 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : see which process is eating ur CPU | Nov 12 05:13 |
| ender2070 | nothing is eating my cpu | Nov 12 05:14 |
| ender2070 | the problem goes away with the binary blob | Nov 12 05:14 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : CPU usage is normal ? | Nov 12 05:14 |
| ender2070 | yes | Nov 12 05:14 |
| ender2070 | im not even using compiz | Nov 12 05:14 |
| _Hicham_ | then it must be Xorg | Nov 12 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora has always been better off the DVD in my experience | Nov 12 05:14 |
| ender2070 | same issue on fedora 11 | Nov 12 05:15 |
| ender2070 | until i install blob | Nov 12 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | I may just wait for the final | Nov 12 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | burn a DVD | Nov 12 05:15 |
| cubezzz | what blob? | Nov 12 05:15 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : maybe because u don't have hardware acceleration without blob | Nov 12 05:15 |
| ender2070 | nouveau works fine on my desktop | Nov 12 05:16 |
| _Hicham_ | except the heat thing ? | Nov 12 05:16 |
| ender2070 | the heat thing isnt an issue on a desktop because i have better cooling | Nov 12 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | I just want the Radeon to play my games, if the open source driver does it, that's fantastic | Nov 12 05:16 |
| ender2070 | the notebook everything is tight | Nov 12 05:16 |
| ender2070 | gpu and cpu share a heatsync too | Nov 12 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | if FGLRX has gotten better since I looked, then alright | Nov 12 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | does Second Life provide an RPM? | Nov 12 05:17 |
| cubezzz | no docs on the ati site for 9250 (or I haven't found them) | Nov 12 05:17 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFc -yes | Nov 12 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Wine plays my Rainbow Six Vegas games yet... | Nov 12 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | I know Prey has a native Linux port | Nov 12 05:19 |
| ender2070 | im waiting for virtualbox to support 3d games better | Nov 12 05:19 |
| ender2070 | that would be the best | Nov 12 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Yeah, it would run all of them if you chucked a copy of Windows in there | Nov 12 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | that would kick ass | Nov 12 05:20 |
| _Hicham_ | it already support 3D games | Nov 12 05:20 |
| _Hicham_ | but u should have a good working graphics driver | Nov 12 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | running Windows in a VM is preferable to trusting your machine to it | Nov 12 05:20 |
| ender2070 | exactly | Nov 12 05:20 |
| cubezzz | for me, running windows is not an option | Nov 12 05:20 |
| cubezzz | only one exception to that rule | Nov 12 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Just "find" a "copy" of XP somewhere | Nov 12 05:21 |
| ender2070 | proprietary software has its place - in a jail | Nov 12 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | legitimately of course | Nov 12 05:21 |
| cubezzz | getting KID to remove DRM | Nov 12 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | obeying all laws pertaining to the acquisition | Nov 12 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 12 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | Virtual Box runs the 64-bit version of XP pretty well | Nov 12 05:21 |
| cubezzz | well, let's just say I run windows extremely infrequently | Nov 12 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | I keep XP x64 around for the odd thing | Nov 12 05:22 |
| _Hicham_ | I am using some proprietary stuff | Nov 12 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 is not my preference but it does run some things that have no Linux compatible program | Nov 12 05:23 |
| _Hicham_ | who is having a 100% blobs-free machine ? | Nov 12 05:23 |
| _Hicham_ | no one | Nov 12 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | so I end up in it most of the time | Nov 12 05:23 |
| cubezzz | wrong | Nov 12 05:23 |
| cubezzz | I have LFS on one machine | Nov 12 05:23 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : u don't use proprietary stuff ? | Nov 12 05:23 |
| ender2070 | linux from scratch? | Nov 12 05:23 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 12 05:23 |
| _Hicham_ | great | Nov 12 05:24 |
| ender2070 | jesus | Nov 12 05:24 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : did u install a package manager on it ? | Nov 12 05:24 |
| ender2070 | arch linux is pretty hardcore | Nov 12 05:24 |
| _Hicham_ | no, it is not hardcore | Nov 12 05:24 |
| _Hicham_ | at all | Nov 12 05:24 |
| _Hicham_ | everything is done by Pacman | Nov 12 05:25 |
| ender2070 | they had kde 4.3.3 before it was out | Nov 12 05:25 |
| cubezzz | no package manager on that box | Nov 12 05:25 |
| cubezzz | everything is tar.gz | Nov 12 05:25 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : and how do u manage updates ? | Nov 12 05:25 |
| cubezzz | ./configure ; make | Nov 12 05:26 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : the problem with arch is stability | Nov 12 05:26 |
| cubezzz | then some stuff is ported | Nov 12 05:26 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : Fedora is more cutting edge than arch | Nov 12 05:26 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezz : and ur not afraid of overwriting stuff ? | Nov 12 05:26 |
| cubezzz | no | Nov 12 05:27 |
| _Hicham_ | openSUSE 11.2 is gonna be released today | Nov 12 05:27 |
| ender2070 | cool | Nov 12 05:28 |
| ender2070 | KDEEEEEE | Nov 12 05:28 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a very well polished distros | Nov 12 05:29 |
| _Hicham_ | *distro | Nov 12 05:29 |
| ender2070 | KDE is the default in it now | Nov 12 05:29 |
| _Hicham_ | i like its sonar theme | Nov 12 05:29 |
| _Hicham_ | I am using it in Fedora | Nov 12 05:29 |
| ender2070 | ? | Nov 12 05:30 |
| cubezzz | _Hicham_, sometimes I do stuff like make DESTDIR=/usr/pkg/libfoo/1.1 install | Nov 12 05:31 |
| cubezzz | if I want to keep some older version of a package | Nov 12 05:32 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : why didn't u try installing a package manager ? | Nov 12 05:32 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : sonar is a cool theme | Nov 12 05:32 |
| ender2070 | oh a gnome theme | Nov 12 05:33 |
| _Hicham_ | ender2070 : r u using gnome ? | Nov 12 05:34 |
| cubezzz | _Hicham_, the system is simple enough, but maybe someday I'll try rpm | Nov 12 05:35 |
| ender2070 | no | Nov 12 05:35 |
| cubezzz | I use gnome and old KDE | Nov 12 05:36 |
| cubezzz | but I also use Qtopia on zaurus | Nov 12 05:36 |
| ender2070 | I use KDE 4.3 | Nov 12 05:36 |
| cubezzz | I compiled my own KDE too :) | Nov 12 05:36 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : did u install big packages on lfs ? | Nov 12 05:36 |
| cubezzz | _Hicham_, no, it's a very simple system, text only | Nov 12 05:37 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, so no DE ? | Nov 12 05:37 |
| cubezzz | no desktop, just text based | Nov 12 05:37 |
| _Hicham_ | u don't plan to compile any de ?$ | Nov 12 05:38 |
| cubezzz | sure I'll try it :) | Nov 12 05:38 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - you must be running emacs | Nov 12 05:41 |
| cubezzz | no, I don't use emacs | Nov 12 05:41 |
| cubezzz | I have it, but I don't use it | Nov 12 05:41 |
| ender2070 | lol emacs could be an OS | Nov 12 05:41 |
| cubezzz | to me emacs seems overly elaborate | Nov 12 05:42 |
| cubezzz | I'm a vi person :) | Nov 12 05:42 |
| _Hicham_ | http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_11.2_dev#openSUSE_11.2_RC2 | Nov 12 05:42 |
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| ender2070 | thats the joke | Nov 12 05:43 |
| _Hicham_ | vi is shipped by default on distros | Nov 12 05:43 |
| ender2070 | I use nano myself | Nov 12 05:43 |
| cubezzz | Linux distros seem rather bloated, I'm not using half the commands on FC1 even | Nov 12 05:43 |
| cubezzz | after 5 years... | Nov 12 05:43 |
| ender2070 | lol fc1 | Nov 12 05:44 |
| cubezzz | of course I experimented with a lot of things | Nov 12 05:44 |
| ender2070 | im gonna grab redhat 5.2 for a trip down memory lane | Nov 12 05:44 |
| cubezzz | one problem is old Loki games | Nov 12 05:44 |
| cubezzz | most don't work on new Linux now | Nov 12 05:45 |
| cubezzz | so why not keep one box FC1? | Nov 12 05:45 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - kvm | Nov 12 05:45 |
| _Hicham_ | where is this game cubezzz ? | Nov 12 05:45 |
| cubezzz | well I play spider on Eric's Solitarie | Nov 12 05:46 |
| _Hicham_ | on FC1 ? | Nov 12 05:46 |
| cubezzz | _Hicham_, I got EUS from tuxgames.com a long time ago | Nov 12 05:46 |
| cubezzz | _Hicham_, yes | Nov 12 05:46 |
| _Hicham_ | u couldn't compile it on recent distros ? | Nov 12 05:46 |
| cubezzz | no source code :) | Nov 12 05:46 |
| _Hicham_ | wow, that is awful | Nov 12 05:47 |
| cubezzz | I'd love to compile RT2 as well, but... no Loki source code, as far as I know | Nov 12 05:47 |
| _Hicham_ | cubezzz : maybe u could install compat libs | Nov 12 05:47 |
| cubezzz | I tried, it was a total pain, much easier to just use FC1 | Nov 12 05:48 |
| cubezzz | I'd love to know who has the rights to RT2 now | Nov 12 05:48 |
| _Hicham_ | it wouldn't be if u know what libraries are needed | Nov 12 05:48 |
| ender2070 | hehe i found one of my old redhat cds | Nov 12 05:49 |
| ender2070 | 5.2 | Nov 12 05:49 |
| ender2070 | way older than FC1 | Nov 12 05:49 |
| cubezzz | I have darkstar 0.94 :) | Nov 12 05:49 |
| cubezzz | first Linux I ever used | Nov 12 05:49 |
| cubezzz | first "Unix" was Xenix 286 | Nov 12 05:50 |
| ender2070 | my first was redhat 5.2 | Nov 12 05:50 |
| ender2070 | i would have tried others if i knew of them | Nov 12 05:50 |
| cubezzz | I'll try kvm | Nov 12 05:50 |
| ender2070 | fedora 12 release was pushed to updates | Nov 12 05:51 |
| cubezzz | well, there was Slack, Minix... | Nov 12 05:51 |
| cubezzz | BSD's | Nov 12 05:51 |
| ender2070 | after redhat 5.2 i tried them all | Nov 12 05:52 |
| cubezzz | when CDROMs first came out, a lot of distros appeared | Nov 12 05:52 |
| ender2070 | suse 5.3 was most impressive back then, 5 cds when everyone else had 1 | Nov 12 05:52 |
| ender2070 | lots of software | Nov 12 05:54 |
| cubezzz | anyone remember Yggdrasil? :) | Nov 12 05:54 |
| cubezzz | 1992, even older than Darkstar | Nov 12 05:55 |
| cubezzz | when did cdroms come out... I should remember | Nov 12 05:56 |
| cubezzz | CD-i was 1991 | Nov 12 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | CD-ROMs for PC games was around 1991-1992 | Nov 12 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | didn't really catch on until after Windows 95 came out though | Nov 12 06:05 |
| ender2070 | i didnt know linux existed till i was running win2k | Nov 12 06:07 |
| ender2070 | i had to install win95 via floppies | Nov 12 06:07 |
| cubezzz | well some Universities were using Darkstar in their courses | Nov 12 06:08 |
| cubezzz | it was a bit easier for those with some Unix background | Nov 12 06:08 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, how difficult did you find going from Win2K to Linux? | Nov 12 06:09 |
| ender2070 | it wasnt hard | Nov 12 06:10 |
| _Hicham_ | linux is straightforward | Nov 12 06:10 |
| ender2070 | i grew up with dos so command lines werent scary | Nov 12 06:10 |
| cubezzz | I realized when I saw sun4's that the *nix world was better | Nov 12 06:12 |
| ender2070 | i have an opensolaris fileserver in my house | Nov 12 06:13 |
| ender2070 | zfs is wicked | Nov 12 06:13 |
| cubezzz | yes the zfs description looks interesting | Nov 12 06:16 |
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| DaemonFC | I want to find the straightforward way to use Ustream or WLM voice/video chat | Nov 12 06:28 |
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| cubezzz | feels strange loading FC1 again :) | Nov 12 06:40 |
| cubezzz | maybe I'll put ms dos on there for some old dos games | Nov 12 06:40 |
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| cubezzz | I think I'll build another box for Solaris | Nov 12 06:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Dr. Steffie Woolhandler on why we need #singlepayer #healthcare to get any real change http://ur1.ca/fm2r #hcr | Nov 12 07:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | hmm, I have $104.69 in savings | Nov 12 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | means I could have my very own Margaritaville if I save up another mere $109.29 | Nov 12 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 07:16 |
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| DaemonFC | why the hell does my bank have 3 month CDs? | Nov 12 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | they pay out less interest than my checking account | Nov 12 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | the 3 month CD pays 0.35% APR, my savings account pays 0.50% APR | Nov 12 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | so why would someone have a 3 month CD that they can't touch that gives out less interest than a savings account that they can take from at any time? | Nov 12 07:34 |
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| *schestowitz has kicked criton from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Nov 12 08:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/11/verizons-350-early-termination-fee-rubs-senator-wrong-way.ars | Nov 12 08:23 |
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| schestowitz | criton=mutex | Nov 12 08:23 |
| schestowitz | ban evasion | Nov 12 08:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUSL229684520091102 | Nov 12 08:25 |
| schestowitz | http://scaledb.blogspot.com/2009/10/cloud-vs-open-source.html "I am a serial entrepreneur. I am now CEO of ScaleDB. Prior to that, I started a company and sold it to Microsoft. " | Nov 12 08:26 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... how long did Mike Hogan work for Microsoft then? | Nov 12 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a crowd of right wing bloggers and op-ed writers that are attacking the $250 payment to social security recipients | Nov 12 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | Where were they when the banks got $760 billion? | Nov 12 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | Where were they when GM got $86 billion? | Nov 12 08:27 |
| schestowitz | "Support the troops... and GM." | Nov 12 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | there's no cost of living increase this year for people on social security, and these right wing mafia assholes are going to bitch about what amounts to $20 a month to seniors and the disabled? | Nov 12 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see one of them make it on $600-1100 a month, which is where about 90% of SSI and SSDI people are at | Nov 12 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | $250 is kind of an insult really | Nov 12 08:29 |
| cubezzz | well one can live on $200 per month | Nov 12 08:29 |
| cubezzz | for food | Nov 12 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | You don't tear open a $250 check and shout "Thank God almighty, free at last!" | Nov 12 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | more like "Here's $10 for the mortgage, $8 for food, and $2 for gas... Yep, I'm fucked!" | Nov 12 08:30 |
| cubezzz | current society is probably unsustainable | Nov 12 08:30 |
| cubezzz | there are books from the 60's that outline this | Nov 12 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | a $250 check just reminds you how broke you are | Nov 12 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | that's like two weeks of rent and one tank of gas for me | Nov 12 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just going to tuck it away | Nov 12 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | "stimulate" my savings account | Nov 12 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | live off the $2 in interest it earns over the year | Nov 12 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'll be all gangsta and shit | Nov 12 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 12 08:33 |
| *schestowitz imagines DaemonFC with hoody and bicycles | Nov 12 08:35 | |
| *DaemonFC has a hoody and a bicycle | Nov 12 08:35 | |
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| cubezzz | heh | Nov 12 08:36 |
| cubezzz | a kinder, gentler more energy efficient gangsta | Nov 12 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | I may be using it a lot more considering how my car is treating me | Nov 12 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Nov 12 08:37 |
| cubezzz | well it's a matter of resources, as always | Nov 12 08:38 |
| cubezzz | either earn more, or spend less | Nov 12 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Which is why I'll be stowing that $250 away in the bank | Nov 12 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to gather up about $3,000 | Nov 12 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's going to take a while | Nov 12 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just hoping my car decides to work for another 18 months or so | Nov 12 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've started saving way too late, sure | Nov 12 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | I should have started last year | Nov 12 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be there by now | Nov 12 08:39 |
| cubezzz | interestingly enough futurists are predicting a population drop late this century | Nov 12 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | but my car worked just fine last year | Nov 12 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of funny/tragic on how these things hit us, isn't it? | Nov 12 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Is it when Obama opens the secret death camps for Grandma? | Nov 12 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 12 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | or when Swine Flu kills us all? | Nov 12 08:41 |
| cubezzz | drop in fertility | Nov 12 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | cause various news channels told me to worry | Nov 12 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, my fertility is 100% but I have no will to use that | Nov 12 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm pretty much out of the gene pool | Nov 12 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'd never bring anyone else into this place | Nov 12 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | people are bent up | Nov 12 08:42 |
| cubezzz | predictions are that birth rate will continue to decrease, and death rate will remain the same | Nov 12 08:43 |
| cubezzz | The 2008 rate of growth has almost halved since its peak of 2.2% per year, which was reached in 1963 | Nov 12 08:45 |
| cubezzz | world's population is expected to reach about 9 billion by the year 2040 | Nov 12 08:45 |
| fewa | we're all fucked | Nov 12 08:46 |
| fewa | (in short) | Nov 12 08:46 |
| fewa | however DaemonFC is an idiot | Nov 12 08:46 |
| cubezzz | fewa, no, I don't think it will be that bad | Nov 12 08:47 |
| fewa | cubezzz, but things have to change | Nov 12 08:47 |
| cubezzz | yes | Nov 12 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I don't really care what happens | Nov 12 08:47 |
| fewa | doing the same thing over and over again will not work | Nov 12 08:47 |
| fewa | infact, its the definition of insanity | Nov 12 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | humans don't form a sustainable relationship with their surroundings, so it is just kind of "waiting to die" | Nov 12 08:48 |
| fewa | and "leaders" will not change on their own inertia | Nov 12 08:48 |
| cubezzz | none of the doom and gloom scenarios happened | Nov 12 08:48 |
| fewa | I never really said that | Nov 12 08:48 |
| cubezzz | at least not so far | Nov 12 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | maybe sooner is better because we may not take up hundreds more species in addition to the hundreds we've already destroyed | Nov 12 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | *up=out | Nov 12 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see human population shrinking | Nov 12 08:49 |
| cubezzz | better family planning, eating less, more efficient use of power, renewable energy... | Nov 12 08:49 |
| cubezzz | oh I believe it will :) | Nov 12 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | it won't until there's disease or food shortages much more severe than what's going on now | Nov 12 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | and when it bottoms out, the population will recover and start growing again | Nov 12 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | even a disease that wiped out 99.9% of us wouldn't stop us from reaching 6-7 billion again in less than 50,000 years | Nov 12 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | what kills us would be a planet-killing event | Nov 12 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | asteroid impact or the effects of global warming | Nov 12 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | nuclear war | Nov 12 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | things like that | Nov 12 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | disease wouldn't do it | Nov 12 08:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I can't stop thinking about her :'( | Nov 12 08:51 | |
| DaemonFC | even in the worst diseases, there's some survival rate | Nov 12 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | usually in excess of 5% | Nov 12 08:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/12/wikipedia_sued_by_convicted_murderer/ | Nov 12 08:52 |
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| DaemonFC | even a worldwide ebola pandemic, assuming everyone on Earth was infected, would leave about 2 billion survivors | Nov 12 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Like some people said, DaemonFC, you seem to have a suicidal tendency | Nov 12 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't believe that disease could do that, there would have to be a 100% kill rate | Nov 12 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | unlike any disease ever seen | Nov 12 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure it's "possible", but I'd say the chances are next to none that anything like that would happen | Nov 12 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | there is something interesting I heard about in Canada, schestowitz | Nov 12 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | some kind of "Super HIV" | Nov 12 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's killing people in a year or two | Nov 12 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | I think I caught a radio snippet about it a while back | Nov 12 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5304466.html | Nov 12 08:56 |
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| DaemonFC | I think that's it | Nov 12 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | once infected, you have about 18 months to live | Nov 12 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's not surprising that it's mutating like it is | Nov 12 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | you give drugs to patients that suppress it, but the ones with some resistance to the suppression live to form the next batch of viruses | Nov 12 08:58 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, you are distressingly neurotic | Nov 12 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | eventually the drugs they're on are ineffective | Nov 12 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | they go and infect someone else, and you have a newer more drug resistant strain | Nov 12 08:59 |
| fewa | you should watch this film schestowitz showed me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_zk2X92kxY | Nov 12 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | by suppressing it without curing it, they're negating the effects of the antivirals | Nov 12 08:59 |
| fewa | kinda takes it from the wrong perspective | Nov 12 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | which mean that by the time the drugs patent runs out, it's useless anyway | Nov 12 08:59 |
| fewa | and towards the wrong audience | Nov 12 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | and we're onto another $500 bottle of pills | Nov 12 08:59 |
| fewa | but the message is important | Nov 12 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | HIV is far too profitable to cure | Nov 12 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure it could be cured, but they could only sell you a cure once | Nov 12 09:00 |
| fewa | about the trap of individualism | Nov 12 09:03 |
| fewa | the paradox of choice | Nov 12 09:03 |
| fewa | that there is a building "duty to be free" | Nov 12 09:03 |
| schestowitz | BTW, fewa | Nov 12 09:06 |
| schestowitz | You want to watch this: | Nov 12 09:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg255__pXpw&feature=related | Nov 12 09:06 |
| fewa | Jeremy Scahill is the best reporter on alot of that stuff | Nov 12 09:08 |
| schestowitz | Grayson is in a lot of it also | Nov 12 09:08 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091110/0131486870.shtml | Nov 12 09:09 |
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| DaemonFC | fewa, There's nothing wrong with individualism | Nov 12 09:09 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, its horribly inefficient | Nov 12 09:09 |
| fewa | and opens people upon to exploitation | Nov 12 09:10 |
| fewa | *up to | Nov 12 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, We're heading away from that anyway with Obama | Nov 12 09:10 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, it what way? | Nov 12 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | like how you'll get fined for refusing health insurance | Nov 12 09:10 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, whats a concrete example of that? | Nov 12 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | that's a good example | Nov 12 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | individualism says "Stay out of my business, I'll buy health insurance when I damned well feel like it" | Nov 12 09:11 |
| fewa | something besides rhetoric.... | Nov 12 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | telling people you'll fine them if they don't pay unfair premiums | Nov 12 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's like damned if you do, damned if you don't | Nov 12 09:11 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, thats exploitation | Nov 12 09:12 |
| fewa | it wont decrease costs | Nov 12 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's just another way of government stealing your money and giving it to big businesses | Nov 12 09:12 |
| fewa | the control is still firmly in the hands of the corporations | Nov 12 09:12 |
| fewa | the corporations that make money denying care | Nov 12 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | so that's kind of the opposite of individualism | Nov 12 09:12 |
| fewa | that is neither individualism nor collectivism | Nov 12 09:12 |
| fewa | its abuse | Nov 12 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | when you're forced to do things by the state | Nov 12 09:12 |
| fewa | and should not be tolerated | Nov 12 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | unreasonable things anyway | Nov 12 09:13 |
| fewa | and collectivism is neccicary to fight it | Nov 12 09:13 |
| fewa | to get a real system, a health care system based upon healthy people, not sick people | Nov 12 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | if it was just slapping new regulations on insurance companies, fine | Nov 12 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | if it was just creating a _real_ government ran program to compete with them, fine | Nov 12 09:14 |
| fewa | http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=health-insurers-want-you-to-keep-sm-2009-06-03 | Nov 12 09:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: News Blog: Health insurers want you to keep smoking, Harvard doctors say .::. Size~: 93.25 KB | Nov 12 09:14 |
| fewa | "Health and life insurance companies in the U.S. and abroad have nearly $4.5 billion invested in tobacco stocks, according to Harvard doctors." | Nov 12 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | forcing you to buy into a plan where 20% of it is administrative overhead and the company tries to deny you needed operations | Nov 12 09:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I don't know what to think... | Nov 12 09:14 | |
| DaemonFC | how is that a good thing? | Nov 12 09:14 |
| fewa | DaemonFC, its not | Nov 12 09:15 |
| fewa | that needs to be made clear | Nov 12 09:15 |
| fewa | and there is no precedent for it | Nov 12 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | you pay a company to deny you health coverage | Nov 12 09:15 |
| fewa | http://wwww.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/20/795139/-Is-a-health-care-mandate-illegal-and-unconstitutional | Nov 12 09:15 |
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| DaemonFC | but they'll call it paying for health coverage | Nov 12 09:15 |
| fewa | There is absolutely no precedent for the authority of such a mandate | Nov 12 09:15 |
| fewa | http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/sherrod-brown-biologics-should-not-be-subject-to-an-endless-monopoly-period/ | Nov 12 09:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FDL News Desk » Sherrod Brown: Biologics Should Not Be Subject To An Endless Monopoly Period .::. Size~: 59.22 KB | Nov 12 09:16 |
| fewa | more unconstitutional provisions | Nov 12 09:16 |
| fewa | its a power grab | Nov 12 09:16 |
| fewa | lying that it will bring real health care reform | Nov 12 09:17 |
| fewa | so that people are less likely to resist | Nov 12 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | fewa, What about the supreme court? | Nov 12 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | someone could challenge the law | Nov 12 09:17 |
| fewa | im not arguing to the courts | Nov 12 09:17 |
| fewa | I don't have any such money | Nov 12 09:17 |
| fewa | but the court says "for limited times" | Nov 12 09:18 |
| fewa | and that has always meant 20 years for patents | Nov 12 09:18 |
| fewa | *the constitution says | Nov 12 09:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I woke up crying this morning... no Good Morning txt on my cell... first time in about a month :S | Nov 12 09:20 | |
| fewa | there can be a more for real reform | Nov 12 09:20 |
| fewa | the democrats passed it in 1935 and in 1965 | Nov 12 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/business/economy/28leonhardt.html | Nov 12 09:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft disconnects Xbox gamers < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8354166.stm > | Nov 12 09:22 |
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| fewa | http://democracynow.org/2008/10/28/van_jones_on_the_green_collar | Nov 12 09:22 |
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| fewa | " | Nov 12 09:22 |
| fewa | And when you look at, you know, what should you spend that money on, last time we had a stimulus, we gave out a bunch of checks to people who ran out to Wal-Mart and bought flat-screen TVs, so we stimulated the economy—it was just the Chinese economy, not this one. The smart way to do a stimulus is to invest in infrastructure. And the smart infrastructure that we need right now is infrastructure that gets the price of energy down, that gets us mor | Nov 12 09:22 |
| fewa | e energy independent. All roads point toward a major investment in clean energy, probably funded in part by deficit spending on the part of the government. " | Nov 12 09:22 |
| fewa | Change I can believe in (tm) | Nov 12 09:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] And all of this is taking away my self esteem and self confidence... I'm completly los... | Nov 12 09:23 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, stimulated the Chinese economy | Nov 12 09:23 |
| schestowitz | More debt to them, more demand for their products to be imported | Nov 12 09:24 |
| fewa | you dont just fically hand away $250 per capita | Nov 12 09:24 |
| schestowitz | Of course not | Nov 12 09:24 |
| schestowitz | $250,000 per bankster | Nov 12 09:24 |
| fewa | you have to institute a social safety net | Nov 12 09:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] And all of this is taking away my self esteem and self confidence... I'm completly lost... | Nov 12 09:24 | |
| fewa | The Fed lent 4,000 per person in the US | Nov 12 09:24 |
| fewa | they lent the to new zealand what amounts to $3,000/person | Nov 12 09:25 |
| fewa | and they are about to hand over $400 billion to private insurance | Nov 12 09:26 |
| fewa | with no guarantees of return | Nov 12 09:26 |
| fewa | and no accountability | Nov 12 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Ed Miliband paves way for most ambitious fleet of nuclear reactors in Europe http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/energy-policy-nuclear-coal | Nov 12 09:26 |
| fewa | schestowitz, France had 90% nuclear | Nov 12 09:27 |
| fewa | 'clean coal' | Nov 12 09:27 |
| fewa | same bullshitters there | Nov 12 09:28 |
| fewa | oxymoron | Nov 12 09:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Climate change is not tomorrow's future menace. It is today's growing catastrophe." http://ping.fm/43XRi | Nov 12 09:28 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I'm back where I was 2 months ago.. | Nov 12 09:29 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: like "carbon is green"? | Nov 12 09:29 |
| schestowitz | !google carbon is green | Nov 12 09:30 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Carbon Green LLC- Carbon credits, biofuels, ethanol, biodiesel and ... | http://www.carbongreenllc.com/ | Nov 12 09:30 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - IT needs to prep for carbon trading, green build-outs - Ars Technica | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/10/it-needs-to-prep-for-carbon-trading-green-buildouts.ars | Nov 12 09:30 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Inhabitat » Novacem Develops Carbon Eating Green Cement | http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/08/10/novacem-develops-carbon-eating-green-cement/ | Nov 12 09:30 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - HPCwire: IT Needs to Prep for Carbon Trading, Green Build-Outs | http://www.hpcwire.com/news/IT-Needs-to-Prep-for-Carbon-Trading-Green-Build-Outs.html | Nov 12 09:30 |
| fewa | its black | Nov 12 09:30 |
| schestowitz | Not true, according to the AstroTurfs | Nov 12 09:30 |
| schestowitz | The planet NEEDS carbon :-) | Nov 12 09:30 |
| schestowitz | We need less oxygen :-) | Nov 12 09:30 |
| fewa | black coal, with sulfur, carcinogens, tar | Nov 12 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://features.csmonitor.com/economyrebuild/2009/11/09/post-depression-first-americans-get-more-money-from-government-than-they-give-back/ | Nov 12 09:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Post-Depression first: Americans get more money from government than they give back | csmonitor.com .::. Size~: 49.83 KB | Nov 12 09:30 |
| schestowitz | For the plants... think about the plants! | Nov 12 09:30 |
| fewa | it polluted the ground water | Nov 12 09:30 |
| fewa | *pollutes | Nov 12 09:31 |
| fewa | almost irreparable harm to drinking water | Nov 12 09:31 |
| fewa | thats what kills plants | Nov 12 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but if you say this you hurt the coal industry | Nov 12 09:31 |
| schestowitz | So they have some fake sites, let me find them | Nov 12 09:31 |
| fewa | schestowitz, interesting plants actually did start absorbing more, but they are near saturation level | Nov 12 09:31 |
| fewa | at whatever 300ppm or so that we are at now | Nov 12 09:32 |
| fewa | the abundancy of coal does inspire awe | Nov 12 09:32 |
| fewa | if you travel in central US | Nov 12 09:32 |
| fewa | you can eve see coal mines from the freeway | Nov 12 09:32 |
| fewa | and they are hardly what you would consider "mines" | Nov 12 09:33 |
| fewa | its like there is this small layer of top soil, and then just _solid coal_ | Nov 12 09:33 |
| fewa | fairly simple | Nov 12 09:34 |
| fewa | and yet they continue mountaintop removal in appalatia .... | Nov 12 09:34 |
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| trmanco_ | hello | Nov 12 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | Will anyone buy this? http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/09/open_office_mouse/ | Nov 12 09:35 |
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| Guest78153 | oops | Nov 12 09:35 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: take it easy. It'll be all normal in a few weeks | Nov 12 09:35 |
| fewa | anyone? probably, many? no way | Nov 12 09:35 |
| fewa | Geeze! | Nov 12 09:35 |
| fewa | that thing is rediculous | Nov 12 09:35 |
| schestowitz | I can't find that carbon AstroTurf site | Nov 12 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | glyn moody wrote about it about a month ago | Nov 12 09:36 |
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| fewa | http://www.cleancoalusa.org/ | Nov 12 09:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: CleanCoalUSA - American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity .::. Size~: 10.96 KB | Nov 12 09:37 |
| fewa | pictures of beutiful blue clouds, untainted by sulfur/acid rain, etc | Nov 12 09:37 |
| fewa | http://www.coal-is-clean.com/ | Nov 12 09:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Clean Coal .::. Size~: 9.3 KB | Nov 12 09:38 |
| fewa | http://www.coal-is-dirty.com/ | Nov 12 09:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Coal is Dirty | Clean Coal Industry News .::. Size~: 23.86 KB | Nov 12 09:38 |
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| fewa | wait those 2nd and 3rd are reality-based sites | Nov 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Coal is clean... war is peace | Nov 12 09:39 |
| fewa | wait | Nov 12 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. "Ask Dr. Coal" | Nov 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz | The site is interesting... well, black | Nov 12 09:40 |
| fewa | oh all the links are to the 3rd site | Nov 12 09:40 |
| schestowitz | They play the flag game... patriotism | Nov 12 09:40 |
| fewa | its just a way of getting googles | Nov 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz | If you don't like coal, then the kid gets it... and you commit treason | Nov 12 09:41 |
| fewa | "It’s our god-given right to burn coal. " | Nov 12 09:41 |
| fewa | "coal-powed SUV latest hit on the road" | Nov 12 09:42 |
| fewa | lol | Nov 12 09:42 |
| fewa | yes mercury, I forgot to mention mercury | Nov 12 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Bad bug.. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Password-hole-in-GRUB-boot-loader-closed-855181.html | Nov 12 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | "The Ubuntu development team has identified a couple of problems which could have been behind complaints from a small subset of users who found the upgrade from older releases to Karmic Koala (version 9.10) a difficult process." http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29266/1090/ | Nov 12 09:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I spent all night thinking about her... I had dinner with my friends, then we played poker for a while... I was the first to loose... | Nov 12 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/moonlight-list/2009-November/000700.html | Nov 12 09:53 |
| schestowitz | This is what keeps Novell busy. | Nov 12 09:54 |
| trmanco_ | why does IE suck so much? | Nov 12 09:55 |
| trmanco_ | what a piece of shit borwser | Nov 12 09:55 |
| trmanco_ | slow as crap | Nov 12 09:55 |
| trmanco_ | browser* | Nov 12 09:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I never lost first with that group of friends, I couldn't even think right :S | Nov 12 09:55 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/hardware/article.php/3847656/Processor+Sales+Soar+in+Q3+IDC.htm | Nov 12 09:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Processor Sales Soar in Q3: IDC - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 148.32 KB | Nov 12 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco_: Microsoft doesn't like Web stuff | Nov 12 09:57 |
| schestowitz | IE is a gateway to stuff like Google Apps | Nov 12 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Thus, if it's fast and performant (and the ingorant masses still use it), then cash cows might die. | Nov 12 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Thus you have Google trying to put Frame in IE | Nov 12 09:57 |
| trmanco_ | it's horrible | Nov 12 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Or make Chrome, which does JS fast | Nov 12 09:57 |
| trmanco_ | it's really horrible | Nov 12 09:58 |
| trmanco_ | :S | Nov 12 09:58 |
| schestowitz | trmanco_: must be masochism now. Why would you use IE? | Nov 12 09:58 |
| trmanco_ | I need 5 seconds to open a new tab | Nov 12 09:58 |
| trmanco_ | I'm not at home | Nov 12 09:58 |
| trmanco_ | I'm on a friends computer | Nov 12 09:58 |
| schestowitz | So fix it | Nov 12 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Fox it | Nov 12 09:58 |
| trmanco_ | he is sorta of a ms fanboy | Nov 12 09:58 |
| oiaohm | MS fears the web. | Nov 12 09:59 |
| fewa | trmanco_, IE was designed to suck | Nov 12 09:59 |
| oiaohm | Install google frame then trmanco_ | Nov 12 09:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has no "fanboys" | Nov 12 09:59 |
| trmanco_ | I guess | Nov 12 09:59 |
| fewa | IE8 was released without <canvas> <video> or <audio> | Nov 12 09:59 |
| oiaohm | They exist schestowitz. MS brainwashed. | Nov 12 09:59 |
| fewa | becuase Microsoft wants to hold back the web | Nov 12 09:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has sheeple who think that what they always use should be defended | Nov 12 09:59 |
| fewa | oiaohm, no, install firefox, and use real privact settings | Nov 12 09:59 |
| fewa | like session cookies only | Nov 12 10:00 |
| oiaohm | MS sheep will aways point to more secuirty flaws being found in firefox then IE. Not taking into account that firefox reports a lot of secuirty flaws that are not exploitable. | Nov 12 10:01 |
| fewa | oiaohm, correct | Nov 12 10:02 |
| trmanco_ | maybe I should give chrome frame a shot | Nov 12 10:02 |
| fewa | but IE constantly is releasing "critical updates" to security flaws never disclosed | Nov 12 10:02 |
| fewa | trmanco_, you should use firefox | Nov 12 10:02 |
| fewa | IMHO | Nov 12 10:02 |
| fewa | only browser that lets you "take back the web" | Nov 12 10:03 |
| oiaohm | chrome is also working on allowin the web to be taken back. | Nov 12 10:03 |
| fewa | its just a giant privacy hole | Nov 12 10:03 |
| schestowitz | !google Norway boycott explorer | Nov 12 10:03 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Norway university to vote next month on boycott of Israel ... | http://www.israeli-occupation.org/2009-10-30/norway-university-to-vote-next-month-on-boycott-of-israel/ | Nov 12 10:03 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Norway mobilizes against IE 6 • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/19/norway_ie6/ | Nov 12 10:03 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Boycott Opera! - joejoe.org Community | http://www.joejoe.org/forum/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D19562 | Nov 12 10:03 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Chinadaily BBS - Chinese economy - If one day West to boycott ... | http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php%3Fgid%3D2%26tid%3D622054%26page%3D7 | Nov 12 10:03 |
| trmanco_ | I need a password | Nov 12 10:03 |
| trmanco_ | oh wait | Nov 12 10:04 |
| trmanco_ | portable firefox :D | Nov 12 10:04 |
| trmanco_ | I almost forgot | Nov 12 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Anyone found browsing with IE6 should have there internet connection pulled. | Nov 12 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Numbers of flaws in IE6 is insane. | Nov 12 10:04 |
| trmanco_ | LOL | Nov 12 10:04 |
| fewa | reason 50% of computers are compramised | Nov 12 10:05 |
| tessier | Who was it earlier who was saying we should execute anyone who murders someone and not allow plea deals? | Nov 12 10:05 |
| oiaohm | That does not work tessier | Nov 12 10:05 |
| tessier | oiaohm: I know that. I think it was DaemonFC who was saying that. | Nov 12 10:06 |
| tessier | http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-11-nineyearoldkiller_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip | Nov 12 10:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ariz. struggles with case of 9-year-old in killings - USATODAY.com .::. Size~: 52.31 KB | Nov 12 10:06 |
| oiaohm | Problem is normally non murders get killed because murders are good at framing people. | Nov 12 10:06 |
| tessier | I wonder if he would have this 8yo (at time of incident) kid executed. | Nov 12 10:06 |
| tessier | Sure sounded like it. | Nov 12 10:06 |
| oiaohm | What is more fun is take a pack of killers. Since they have already killed they should be evil enough to be front line troops. | Nov 12 10:07 |
| oiaohm | Get some use out them. | Nov 12 10:07 |
| tessier | Wow. The comments on that article are truly frightening. | Nov 12 10:08 |
| tessier | There really ARE people advocating that he be executed! | Nov 12 10:08 |
| tessier | I hadn't even noticed that before I pasted the link here | Nov 12 10:08 |
| oiaohm | Or old confuses ( got it wrong the china rule at one time). If you kill a person you are required to pay famally for the rest of the life for the life you took. | Nov 12 10:09 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, the US imprisoned a 15 yo for shooting back at invaders who attacked his village | Nov 12 10:10 |
| oiaohm | What is the deternt to killing if the worst that can happen is you get caught and killed anyhow. | Nov 12 10:10 |
| schestowitz | "enemy combatant" | Nov 12 10:10 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: religion | Nov 12 10:11 |
| trmanco_ | brb | Nov 12 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Who would want to be paying for the rest of your life? What is worse. | Nov 12 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | The whole, "if you kill someone, you'll fry in h*ll" | Nov 12 10:11 |
| oiaohm | So you are going to fry in hell sooner or latter for it anyhow schestowitz | Nov 12 10:12 |
| oiaohm | So what is the real extra pain. | Nov 12 10:12 |
| schestowitz | No, bu the deed | Nov 12 10:12 |
| schestowitz | To deter against homicide | Nov 12 10:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/go-new-open-source-programming-language-from-google.ars | Nov 12 10:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Go: new open source programming language from Google - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 47.12 KB | Nov 12 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Google not only targets IE | Nov 12 10:12 |
| ender2070 | go!! | Nov 12 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Now .NOT also | Nov 12 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Of course schestowitz. | Nov 12 10:13 |
| schestowitz | I guess Microsoft can EEE GO like it does with Eclipse, Java, and PHP | Nov 12 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Go Conference, funded by Microsoft? | Nov 12 10:13 |
| schestowitz | http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_11.2 Released today | Nov 12 10:14 |
| oiaohm | I like the suggested debugger name for go language. | Nov 12 10:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OpenSUSE 11.2 - openSUSE .::. Size~: 32.29 KB | Nov 12 10:14 |
| oiaohm | ogle is the suggested debugger name schestowitz | Nov 12 10:14 |
| schestowitz | Zonker and his "OpenSUSE boosters" will try to make noise about it | Nov 12 10:14 |
| ender2070 | how is go funded by msft | Nov 12 10:14 |
| ender2070 | i dont see that at all | Nov 12 10:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Gordon the Gopher... :-) | Nov 12 10:14 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: joke | Nov 12 10:14 |
| schestowitz | They love bribing FOSS frameworks to lean towards SteveB | Nov 12 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Really I cannot work out why jail has to cost that much. | Nov 12 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Under his wing ... eww.... sweaty armpits | Nov 12 10:15 |
| ender2070 | lol | Nov 12 10:15 |
| ender2070 | it was funny how freedom earlier said we couldnt argue on technical merit, and i told him i was - cause go is better than c# | Nov 12 10:16 |
| ender2070 | he kept ignoring it | Nov 12 10:16 |
| oiaohm | Also notice google used gcc as a go back end over llvm due to performance reasons. | Nov 12 10:16 |
| oiaohm | Most people did not get it. | Nov 12 10:16 |
| ender2070 | its free software | Nov 12 10:17 |
| oiaohm | gcc front end can use either gcc backend or llvm. | Nov 12 10:17 |
| oiaohm | So for the best optimiser options of course you would go gcc. | Nov 12 10:17 |
| ender2070 | I watched a google talk on it | Nov 12 10:18 |
| ender2070 | the guy was showing the compiler and was complaining about 8 second compile times being long | Nov 12 10:18 |
| oiaohm | For google staff that is. | Nov 12 10:19 |
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| trmanco_ | ah | Nov 12 10:19 |
| trmanco_ | that's better | Nov 12 10:19 |
| oiaohm | When you have 1000 core build systems normal machine is kinda snail. | Nov 12 10:19 |
| ender2070 | it was on a single core laptop | Nov 12 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Yep google staff not at home. | Nov 12 10:20 |
| trmanco_ | oh | Nov 12 10:20 |
| trmanco_ | and btw | Nov 12 10:20 |
| trmanco_ | Windows just crashed on me | Nov 12 10:20 |
| trmanco_ | right after I closed IE | Nov 12 10:20 |
| trmanco_ | dunno why :S | Nov 12 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Status normal trmanco_ | Nov 12 10:21 |
| ender2070 | Ken Thompson is one of the guys who helped make it too | Nov 12 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Lost memory trmanco_ | Nov 12 10:21 |
| trmanco_ | :S | Nov 12 10:21 |
| ender2070 | maker of c | Nov 12 10:21 |
| oiaohm | IE would have just deallocated memory owning to the kernel. | Nov 12 10:21 |
| trmanco_ | good thing my friends has auto login on this machine | Nov 12 10:22 |
| trmanco_ | friend* | Nov 12 10:22 |
| oiaohm | IE is basically we will kick you for open it. | Nov 12 10:22 |
| oiaohm | And we will kick you for closing it. | Nov 12 10:22 |
| oiaohm | So once you start it you are stuck. | Nov 12 10:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.liliputing.com/2009/11/kuki-linux-development-put-on-hold-indefinitely.html | Nov 12 10:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kuki Linux development put on hold indefinitely .::. Size~: 24.51 KB | Nov 12 10:23 |
| schestowitz | trmanco_: yes, WIndows crashes | Nov 12 10:24 |
| trmanco_ | it's closed now | Nov 12 10:24 |
| trmanco_ | and that crap is plain horrible | Nov 12 10:24 |
| schestowitz | I tried it on someone's computer for just a short while and it crashes several times. Apps and all. | Nov 12 10:24 |
| schestowitz | And this is 2009 ferchristsake! | Nov 12 10:24 |
| trmanco_ | and that crap is plain horrible IE 8 | Nov 12 10:24 |
| trmanco_ | oops | Nov 12 10:25 |
| trmanco_ | even the almighty IE 8 | Nov 12 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Today, for the first time ever in kde4, I needed to go to tty1 to kill a process (firefox) | Nov 12 10:25 |
| trmanco_ | it wasn't exploder | Nov 12 10:25 |
| trmanco_ | it was windows | Nov 12 10:25 |
| oiaohm | I really should have fun. | Nov 12 10:25 |
| trmanco_ | that hapened to me too while I was playing quakelive | Nov 12 10:25 |
| trmanco_ | X stopped responding because of firefox | Nov 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | To me it was a drag and drop thing | Nov 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Never happened with any app before | Nov 12 10:26 |
| oiaohm | From the makers of the email client that auto runs executables and the insane autorun from everything we get IE that includes the insane ablity to run native system code to open u doors in system. | Nov 12 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, kde4 never crashed on me. Fingers crossed | Nov 12 10:26 |
| trmanco_ | firefox stopped responding because the went into maintenance with out even disconnecting people from the game | Nov 12 10:26 |
| trmanco_ | the game* | Nov 12 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Be aware of firefox playing up on Windows | Nov 12 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Lot of cases its MS extentions to firefox. | Nov 12 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Blech. | Nov 12 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Firefox on Windows | Nov 12 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Like putting strawberries on toast | Nov 12 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Fun at a help desk. | Nov 12 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Firefox don't work with site. | Nov 12 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Go test it works perfectly then you tell person to go and disable exnetions by MS and problems disappear. | Nov 12 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Did you notice how MS was screeming long and hard about google frame. | Nov 12 10:28 |
| trmanco_ | since you have spoken about those ms addons | Nov 12 10:28 |
| trmanco_ | let me check something | Nov 12 10:28 |
| trmanco_ | I don't have any .NET firefox addons | Nov 12 10:29 |
| fewa | Embrace, Extend, Extinguish | Nov 12 10:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blog.moby1.co.uk/2009/11/garmin-asus-phones/asus-and-garmin-make-an-android.html | Nov 12 10:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Moby1 Mobile phone blog- Latest mobile news & information .::. Size~: 64.05 KB | Nov 12 10:29 |
| fewa | now they don't even have the courtesy to make a knock-off | Nov 12 10:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.digitalhome.ca/2009/11/firefox-still-gaining-after-five-years/ | Nov 12 10:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Firefox still gaining after five years : Digital Home .::. Size~: 35.34 KB | Nov 12 10:29 |
| fewa | they just hijack other programs | Nov 12 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft spied on Firefox users | Nov 12 10:30 |
| fewa | there should be an injunction against doing do without explicit user opt-in | Nov 12 10:30 |
| schestowitz | It knows exactly who uses Firefox | Nov 12 10:30 |
| oiaohm | The scary thing about everything is when you start listerning to MS plans. | Nov 12 10:30 |
| schestowitz | The phone-home mechanism tells Microsoft all the applications used by the owner | Nov 12 10:30 |
| fewa | but of course the only true escapade is to not run the war-ground operating system | Nov 12 10:30 |
| oiaohm | The end result is they want our PC's to be Xbox360's. | Nov 12 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie we can code for it but only using .net | Nov 12 10:31 |
| fewa | I prefer not be to be in the middle of a bloody battleground, thank you very much | Nov 12 10:31 |
| oiaohm | that they can decompile and audit | Nov 12 10:31 |
| fewa | I'd rather have actual control over my environment | Nov 12 10:31 |
| fewa | oiaohm, yet all their code is distributed obfusciated | Nov 12 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Lot of MS supporting people are not aware that there freedom is being taken away piece by piece. | Nov 12 10:32 |
| oiaohm | fewa: not there .net code | Nov 12 10:32 |
| fewa | well anyways, that doesn't matter anymore | Nov 12 10:32 |
| oiaohm | .net bytecode is designed to be obfusciate resistant. | Nov 12 10:32 |
| fewa | geeze | Nov 12 10:32 |
| fewa | how do these programmers sleep at night | Nov 12 10:33 |
| fewa | like those that programmed WGA | Nov 12 10:33 |
| fewa | How do these people deal with themselves? | Nov 12 10:33 |
| fewa | creat SecureROM | Nov 12 10:33 |
| fewa | and remote email-deleation programs | Nov 12 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Ingronace is bliss fewa | Nov 12 10:34 |
| fewa | it requires a labyrinth of propaganda to hold that house of cards up | Nov 12 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Lot of SecureROM is not that bad. | Nov 12 10:35 |
| oiaohm | There are worse copy protection systems out there. | Nov 12 10:35 |
| fewa | Song BMG | Nov 12 10:35 |
| fewa | *Sony | Nov 12 10:35 |
| oiaohm | SecureROM does not use ring 0 to go spying fewa | Nov 12 10:36 |
| ender2070 | they sleep with their paycheques | Nov 12 10:37 |
| oiaohm | What securerom does is quite simple. | Nov 12 10:37 |
| ender2070 | on expensive gimmicky mattresses | Nov 12 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Calls drive to provide information from a track on disk you normally cannot write to. | Nov 12 10:37 |
| oiaohm | the track that contains media information. | Nov 12 10:37 |
| fewa | It is amazing how much people ceede to programs that only wont when the network is down | Nov 12 10:38 |
| fewa | *network is up | Nov 12 10:38 |
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| oiaohm | Wine just passes those calls straight threw to cdrom drive. fewa | Nov 12 10:39 |
| fewa | I don't even use optical drives | Nov 12 10:39 |
| fewa | anymore | Nov 12 10:39 |
| fewa | they are obsolete | Nov 12 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Then secure rom is annoying for you fewa | Nov 12 10:39 |
| fewa | i don't really see it | Nov 12 10:40 |
| fewa | I want just talking about DRM, anti-features in general | Nov 12 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Media companies are starting to talk about usb rom media. | Nov 12 10:40 |
| fewa | anyone with a conscience should see that these are tools of control | Nov 12 10:40 |
| fewa | oiaohm, usb flash is polluted with hidden fat drives, etc | Nov 12 10:41 |
| oiaohm | They are losing the battle on bluray. | Nov 12 10:41 |
| fewa | crapware | Nov 12 10:41 |
| oiaohm | No worse fewa | Nov 12 10:41 |
| fewa | they want special TPM chips | Nov 12 10:41 |
| fewa | thats why real flash is moving to SD cards | Nov 12 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Little processor on the usb card to provide stream matching screen so between Usb and screen sent completely encrypted. | Nov 12 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes kinda OS netural but a complete ass hole. | Nov 12 10:42 |
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| Guest18834 | grrr | Nov 12 10:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @RobinGrantham: http://tinyurl.com/yj2aohb In case you missed I'd like you to consider the #GOP platform for #healthcare #hcr #singlepayer | Nov 12 10:44 | |
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| oiaohm | http://code.google.com/p/cuberok/ eww the gstreamer install process on windows. | Nov 12 10:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I just feel so bad :S Maybe I've learned more than one lesson from all of this... | Nov 12 10:46 | |
| trmanco__ | brb | Nov 12 10:46 |
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| oiaohm | http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/results_of_automated_tests_for5 The graphic here need to be impoved try finding the Linux lines on the charts. | Nov 12 10:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] A ver MTV ja que nao se faz mais nada :S | Nov 12 10:52 | |
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| oiaohm | http://buytaert.net/open-source-cms-market-share-report-2009 Interesting numbers | Nov 12 10:55 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/325937 << Seen this yet schestowitz | Nov 12 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/14377/new-media/twitter-and-linkedin-combine-for-business-effect | Nov 12 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's a dead search engine | Nov 12 11:11 |
| schestowitz | They now have "2.0" to make noise | Nov 12 11:11 |
| schestowitz | The Wolfram Alpha thing is _not_ news | Nov 12 11:11 |
| schestowitz | They try to reuse old announcements to put their junk (lies engine) in the headlines | Nov 12 11:12 |
| oiaohm | I am wondering if they don't have staff left to code own search engine schestowitz. | Nov 12 11:12 |
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| _goblin | Roy, I think now I am officially a Boycott boy......received much hate via mail.... | Nov 12 11:18 |
| ender2070 | F13 is taking release name candidates | Nov 12 11:18 |
| _goblin | unfortunately it was all from the same person...they hadn't done a proper job of hiding their identity | Nov 12 11:18 |
| _goblin | does 100 emails of hate count when they are all from the same person? | Nov 12 11:19 |
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| ender2070 | i say they pick "Manic Miguel" as a release title, lol | Nov 12 11:19 |
| ender2070 | ubuntu style | Nov 12 11:19 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 12 11:19 |
| _goblin | ender2070: I bow to your creativity! | Nov 12 11:20 |
| ender2070 | F14 - "Libelous Lefty" | Nov 12 11:21 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 12 11:21 |
| oiaohm | Miguel is not exactly manic. | Nov 12 11:21 |
| _goblin | youre on form this morning! | Nov 12 11:21 |
| oiaohm | Lot of windows coders don't get that .net equals no more secrets. | Nov 12 11:21 |
| oiaohm | It appears the ms solution to that problem is software patents. | Nov 12 11:22 |
| ender2070 | who does the chicken little remix | Nov 12 11:22 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Still waiting for #healthCare Ralph Nader http://ur1.ca/fmr6 #hcr #singlepayer #Obama #corporatewelfare "L'Senat c'est moi." | Nov 12 11:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] #greatstarwarsquotesduringsex Boy, it's lucky you have these compartments. | Nov 12 11:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Headache :S | Nov 12 11:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] #greatstarwarsquotesduringsex Stay sharp. There's two more coming in. | Nov 12 11:41 | |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 12 11:43 |
| schestowitz | [11:12] <oiaohm> I am wondering if they don't have staff left to code own search engine schestowitz. | Nov 12 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Yes it does _goblin | Nov 12 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Good pont. | Nov 12 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Sorry for delayed response, I'll post some news links soon. SO much good news this week. | Nov 12 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Most don't bother me they know my skin is too thick _goblin | Nov 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | [11:18] <_goblin> Roy, I think now I am officially a Boycott boy......received much hate via mail.... | Nov 12 11:44 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are the same schestowitz? | Nov 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Winston Churchill: "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." | Nov 12 11:44 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: which person was it? | Nov 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Personal stalkers like Gary Stewart and Timmy Smithy? | Nov 12 11:45 |
| schestowitz | ender2070_: "Mighty Mouse 10.10" | Nov 12 11:46 |
| _goblin | Sorry roy I was getting ready for work....it was over on the article which you quoted yesterday.....the comment I made when it was implied I represented anything more than my own opinion. | Nov 12 11:46 |
| _goblin | here: | Nov 12 11:47 |
| _goblin | http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-development/codeplexorg-an-open-source-foundation-funded-by-microsoft-005518.php | Nov 12 11:47 |
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| _goblin | right... | Nov 12 11:47 |
| _goblin | im off to work...catch you all later. | Nov 12 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Joe needs anger management!!!!!" | Nov 12 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Whatever the upgrade of Drupal did, Tux Machine seems very snappy these days. I thanked Susan a lot for keeping up the great work... | Nov 12 11:53 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/11/fun-with-linux.html\ | Nov 12 11:55 |
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| oiaohm | 1 million dollars funding for codeplex boy is that a joke. | Nov 12 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Google spends more on the summer of code than that. | Nov 12 12:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000161.jpg | Nov 12 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Then all the free venue time open source gets from Google. | Nov 12 12:01 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: and it's not for Google only, e.g. Engine | Nov 12 12:01 |
| schestowitz | C0deplex is for Windows and such stuff... | Nov 12 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Google opens there google plexs to open source meetings. | Nov 12 12:02 |
| oiaohm | I though the codeplex name was to prevent google from using that | Nov 12 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Hm...... http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/11/ubuntu-netbook-remixs-desktop-switcher.html | Nov 12 12:05 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: Well, good point, but who was first? Google. | Nov 12 12:05 |
| schestowitz | The word Googolplex has special meaning though | Nov 12 12:05 |
| schestowitz | !google Googolplex | Nov 12 12:05 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Googolplex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googolplex | Nov 12 12:05 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - The Googolplex Page | http://www.fpx.de/fp/Fun/Googolplex/ | Nov 12 12:05 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Googolplex - Googolplex.com | http://www.googolplex.com/ | Nov 12 12:05 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Googolplex | http://www.procrastinators.org/oldsite/googolplex.html | Nov 12 12:05 |
| schestowitz | I wonder why Microsoft chose the name CodePlex... maybe deliberately to hijack associations? | Nov 12 12:06 |
| oiaohm | There is googleplex number 1 of course. | Nov 12 12:06 |
| oiaohm | What is there head office. | Nov 12 12:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8296987#post8296987 | Nov 12 12:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @LittleDiggDog: #MedicareForAll #hcr http://digg.com/d319oSE Kucinich/Sanders state's right #singlepayer http://ur1.ca/fegl | Nov 12 12:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @Cosmic_Surfer: unless it is universal, it ain't reform #p2 #hcr #hc09 http://digg.com/d319oSE Kucinich/Sanders state #singlepayer | Nov 12 12:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @MarkWSchumann: @democracynow, Dr. Steffie Woolhandler: House #hcr bill is -not- better than nothing. http://bit.ly/4wD0J8 #singlepayer | Nov 12 12:22 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | its funny | Nov 12 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im against the health plan because I dont trust congress and they're turning it into a christmas tree | Nov 12 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | but Im for it because I cant see any other way forward | Nov 12 12:23 |
| *Diablo-D3 hates congress even more | Nov 12 12:24 | |
| oiaohm | USA system is so screwed up | Nov 12 12:24 |
| oiaohm | I still remember hearing the debate. | Nov 12 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Today. | Nov 12 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Lot there don't like regulation. | Nov 12 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Problem is no regulation no stablity. | Nov 12 12:24 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, the current bill is a massive giveaway to the health insurance companies | Nov 12 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | regulation isnt bad if it forces companies to play fair and to put the consumer first | Nov 12 12:24 |
| fewa | and has no real accountability or price containment | Nov 12 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: exactly | Nov 12 12:25 |
| fewa | the whole idea of "health insurance" is flawed | Nov 12 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | a properly designed bill should force about 1/4 of insurance companies out of business | Nov 12 12:25 |
| fewa | its a defective product | Nov 12 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | maybe half | Nov 12 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | only the small ones will survive | Nov 12 12:25 |
| fewa | most of those that go bankrupt from medicare expenses have "health insurance" | Nov 12 12:25 |
| fewa | its lik swiss cheese | Nov 12 12:25 |
| fewa | and a majority of Americans support a national healthcare system | Nov 12 12:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah | Nov 12 12:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I support it | Nov 12 12:26 |
| fewa | http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html | Nov 12 12:26 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I dont support congress. | Nov 12 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Here we are taxed for not having health insureance when you are above a particular tax bracket. | Nov 12 12:26 |
| fewa | It passed twice in California | Nov 12 12:26 |
| fewa | and Arnold vetoed it twice | Nov 12 12:26 |
| oiaohm | But if you are poor you have goverment provided health care. | Nov 12 12:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: well | Nov 12 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Works quite well. | Nov 12 12:27 |
| fewa | California OneCare | Nov 12 12:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | arnold vetos shit until people start paying their taxes | Nov 12 12:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | even when they try to fuck him over, his job is still to keep california solvent | Nov 12 12:27 |
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| fewa | Diablo-D3, http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/politics/2009/10/arnold_to_sf_fuck_you.html | Nov 12 12:27 |
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| fewa | Arnold vetoes stuff for Not Fucking Reason At All | Nov 12 12:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | "well, we the people of california want welfare and government aid and blah blah blah" | Nov 12 12:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | <arnold> welp, I guess I have to fire cops and firemen and teachers then | Nov 12 12:28 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, a single payer plan would be radically cheaper for everyone | Nov 12 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: no it wont, you know why? | Nov 12 12:28 |
| fewa | it would be a huge relief to the California economy | Nov 12 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | because we're letting congress touch it. | Nov 12 12:28 |
| fewa | well, it requires patent reform | Nov 12 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | health insurance should be eradicated in the US | Nov 12 12:28 |
| fewa | it requires bargaining for health care prices | Nov 12 12:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | so should congress | Nov 12 12:29 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, it can be run at the state level | Nov 12 12:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | we havent had congress for at least 50 years anyhow | Nov 12 12:29 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, like Bernie Sander's bill | Nov 12 12:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | the men in DC are not congress | Nov 12 12:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | they do not do what the constitution tells them to do | Nov 12 12:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're terrorists running a scam | Nov 12 12:29 |
| fewa | or the Kucinich/Sanders bill that lets states implament single payer better | Nov 12 12:29 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, the current bill is full of unconstitution things | Nov 12 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | congress is full of unconstitutional things. | Nov 12 12:30 |
| fewa | like a "for unlimited times" patent monopoly on certain drugs | Nov 12 12:30 |
| fewa | and an unprecedented mandate to buy private insurance | Nov 12 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | the US should rise up and take our country back | Nov 12 12:30 |
| oiaohm | With all the guns you have USA people don't get proactive a lot. | Nov 12 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: the US doesnt have a lot of guns | Nov 12 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | most people are afraid of guns | Nov 12 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its nuts | Nov 12 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is not the country our founding fathers created | Nov 12 12:31 |
| fewa | The propaganda is think | Nov 12 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Australia is a funny place by its gun laws. | Nov 12 12:32 |
| oiaohm | A bullet proof vest is classed as a weapon and requiring a licence here Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 12:32 |
| fewa | ther Kucinich/Sanders bill that allowed states to institute single payer passed with bipartisan support in house committee | Nov 12 12:32 |
| fewa | and then Pelosi, under pressure for McObama, killed it | Nov 12 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: Im glad that when I invade australia, only the criminals can stop me | Nov 12 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: the senate must be removed | Nov 12 12:33 |
| fewa | oiaohm, you arn't allow to defend yourself! | Nov 12 12:33 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, agreed | Nov 12 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: you have to be aware that Australia has some of the most toxic plants on earth. | Nov 12 12:33 |
| fewa | unicameral is the only way | Nov 12 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | the house is also corrupt | Nov 12 12:33 |
| ender2070_ | u guys are crazy | Nov 12 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Going gun to gun with them we will lose. | Nov 12 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats not what I meant | Nov 12 12:34 |
| fewa | and "corporate personhood" judicial activism has to be reversed | Nov 12 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I believe we need to get real americans who will uphold the constitution into congress | Nov 12 12:34 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJqnWIQ3o1c | Nov 12 12:34 |
| oiaohm | One here is nasty. Depend on the time of year it was picked. It either perfectally eatable or perfectly human killing Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 12:35 |
| fewa | http://massa.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=24§iontree=23,24&itemid=466 | Nov 12 12:35 |
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| fewa | " | Nov 12 12:35 |
| fewa | Rep. Massa also expressed concerns about the constitutionality of the individual mandate. While the Constitution empowers the Congress to raise and levy taxes, there is no clear indication that it allows for Congress to require the public to purchase insurance plans if they can afford them." | Nov 12 12:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: it should be eradicated then | Nov 12 12:35 |
| oiaohm | No its a protected plant Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 12:35 |
| fewa | he is a co-sponsor of HR676 | Nov 12 12:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Met Police engage with bloggers! They phone them to tell them to shut up http://is.gd/4TjOF | Nov 12 12:35 | |
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| oiaohm | You are not allowed to kill or harm it Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 12:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: then your government supports terrorists. terrorist plants. | Nov 12 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Note harm includes taking any part from the plant without a permit Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 12:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | TERRORIST PLANTS | Nov 12 12:37 |
| ender2070_ | like, venus fly traps? | Nov 12 12:37 |
| oiaohm | Basically who needs guns Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I do | Nov 12 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | to shoot the terrorist plants with | Nov 12 12:37 |
| oiaohm | You don't have to get that close. | Nov 12 12:37 |
| ender2070_ | you could just poison the water supply | Nov 12 12:37 |
| ender2070_ | terrorist plants still need lots of water to grow | Nov 12 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Nop ender2070_ | Nov 12 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Some of the plants are desert plants. | Nov 12 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | water? in australia? you must be kidding me | Nov 12 12:38 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem with invaiding here. | Nov 12 12:38 |
| ender2070_ | your surrounded with water | Nov 12 12:38 |
| oiaohm | water is a limited supply. | Nov 12 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070_: salt water | Nov 12 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Fresh water is a limitted supply. | Nov 12 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd have to bring desalination plants with me | Nov 12 12:39 |
| ender2070_ | terrorist plants care not for suicide | Nov 12 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, clearly they're not muslim plants | Nov 12 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Note is not the plants either. | Nov 12 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | TERRORIST SPIDERS! | Nov 12 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Its the native snakes and spiders as well. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| ender2070_ | they'll plant seeds before they blow up | Nov 12 12:40 |
| ender2070_ | simple | Nov 12 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | TERRORIST SNAKES | Nov 12 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | ON A TERRORIST PLANE | Nov 12 12:40 |
| ender2070_ | LLLLLLOL | Nov 12 12:40 |
| oiaohm | And for torture platpus posion. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Will not kill you but will hurt like hell. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | terrorist mistakes of god! | Nov 12 12:40 |
| ender2070_ | you call something a terrorist and you win | Nov 12 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Stinging tree is up there with evil. | Nov 12 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | hmm | Nov 12 12:41 |
| *Diablo-D3 points at roy | Nov 12 12:41 | |
| oiaohm | fruit perfectly safe to eat if you get them without getting stun. | Nov 12 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | A TERRORIST SCHESTOWITZ! | Nov 12 12:42 |
| oiaohm | One sting you will be in pain for the next 8 days. | Nov 12 12:42 |
| *Diablo-D3 just burns australia down | Nov 12 12:42 | |
| Diablo-D3 | trust me, we'll be safer | Nov 12 12:42 |
| ender2070_ | well he is a software terrorist | Nov 12 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070_: no, thats novell | Nov 12 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | roy is a ... blogger terrorist. | Nov 12 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Here why do we need guns Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | or something | Nov 12 12:42 |
| ender2070_ | rally my base | Nov 12 12:42 |
| oiaohm | We have enough bioweapons natrually. | Nov 12 12:43 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKz5ZHM8kFM | Nov 12 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: hah | Nov 12 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | technically we can invade because they're illegal =P | Nov 12 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Soldiers are permited to collect the poisons Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 12:44 |
| ender2070_ | whos illegal? | Nov 12 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Australian forces are not that large. | Nov 12 12:44 |
| oiaohm | We had to do something to level the playing field against an invader. | Nov 12 12:44 |
| ender2070_ | australian forces haven't grown in a while, human babies are the natural food of the indigenous dingo's | Nov 12 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Most dingos are harmless. | Nov 12 12:45 |
| ender2070_ | oiaohm - you're not a human baby | Nov 12 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Its more where they have been trained not to fear humans where problems happen. | Nov 12 12:46 |
| ender2070_ | oiaohm - i haven't seen a dingo NOT eat a baby! | Nov 12 12:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | you havent seen one eat a baby either | Nov 12 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Areas where dingos fear humans. | Nov 12 12:46 |
| oiaohm | they will not come near a human sent even a babies. | Nov 12 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Instead they avoid. | Nov 12 12:47 |
| ender2070_ | oiaohm - ill believe you when i see it | Nov 12 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Attacks on humans are mostly use white mans fault. | Nov 12 12:47 |
| oiaohm | For leaving food and other items to attract dingos in. | Nov 12 12:47 |
| oiaohm | So they lose fear. | Nov 12 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | so | Nov 12 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | fedora is the 2nd most used distro | Nov 12 12:48 |
| ender2070_ | bs | Nov 12 12:48 |
| ender2070_ | its #1 | Nov 12 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070_: erm no | Nov 12 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu took the #1 spot a loooooooooong time ago | Nov 12 12:49 |
| ender2070_ | distrowatch is not accurate | Nov 12 12:49 |
| ender2070_ | so :P | Nov 12 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im... not using distrowatch? | Nov 12 12:49 |
| ender2070_ | ubuntu is #1 because people are searching for ubuntu *help* more than any other distro | Nov 12 12:49 |
| oiaohm | No ender2070_ | Nov 12 12:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070_: huh, thats a good idea | Nov 12 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Releases push up numbers | Nov 12 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu's just had a lot of marketing. | Nov 12 12:50 |
| oiaohm | So fedora and Ubuntu might swap places if the next fedora release has a lot of marketing. | Nov 12 12:51 |
| ender2070_ | yeah | Nov 12 12:51 |
| ender2070_ | fedora is better, shouldnt be hard | Nov 12 12:51 |
| fewa | Ubuntu clearly #1 in residential and self-installed desktops | Nov 12 12:52 |
| fewa | #1 popularity | Nov 12 12:52 |
| ender2070_ | we'll see now that they dont give free cds anymore | Nov 12 12:52 |
| fewa | ender2070_, they ended that? | Nov 12 12:52 |
| ender2070_ | yes sort of | Nov 12 12:52 |
| ender2070_ | you have to be a noob to get one | Nov 12 12:53 |
| ender2070_ | or a user group leader | Nov 12 12:53 |
| ender2070_ | my friend used to get boxes of them shipped out to him and he handed them all out, the free cds were good marketing | Nov 12 12:54 |
| fewa | exactly | Nov 12 12:56 |
| fewa | its the best thing they had going | Nov 12 12:56 |
| fewa | a pressed CD is infinitely more convincing than one with sharpie marker on it | Nov 12 12:56 |
| ender2070_ | i worked at a computer store and gave them out to customers for free | Nov 12 12:56 |
| fewa | makes a real differnce | Nov 12 12:57 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] RedHat eaten by patent trolls and patent attorneys: http://i5.be/SA | Nov 12 13:13 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @4yrs2l8: Lordy, lordy, lordy. They have no shame. - Microsoft Patents Sudo?!! on Groklaw http://ur1.ca/flbz via @appropedia !free !gnu | Nov 12 13:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @DEMOCRATZxORG: My friend in NY had health insurance, got cancer in 2007, had to sell his home or go bankrupt then died in 2008. #p2 #hcr | Nov 12 13:16 | |
| schestowitz | Interesting program... just finished watching it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAbKLtbeGE&feature=related (Uncertain Principles (1 of 3)) | Nov 12 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Great my ISP just moved the debian repo on me from http to ftp. | Nov 12 13:21 |
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| amarsh04 | mine has been at ftp: as long as I can remember oiaohm | Nov 12 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KGS1Ro-sc&feature=related | Nov 12 13:35 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: just where my ISP puts it so it don't count to quota. | Nov 12 13:37 |
| oiaohm | From time to time this ISP gets creative and moves it. | Nov 12 13:37 |
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| amarsh04 | as you can tell, I'm using Internode as ISP... good lot of mirrors | Nov 12 13:44 |
| SeaOrifice | Does any1 use 7 here ? | Nov 12 13:46 |
| SeaOrifice | i want an experience of that OS | Nov 12 13:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | SeaOrifice: imagine what vista sp2 would look like | Nov 12 13:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats what 7 is | Nov 12 13:52 |
| SeaOrifice | yey yey | Nov 12 13:52 |
| SeaOrifice | i jst want to kno from the techno side | Nov 12 13:52 |
| SeaOrifice | not interested in visuals actually | Nov 12 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Vista sp2 and 1/2 | Nov 12 13:53 |
| oiaohm | they cleaned up the services loading on startup. | Nov 12 13:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | SeaOrifice: its an obvious upgrade to vista, but I dont think it deserves to be it's own release | Nov 12 13:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | it should have just been the next vista sp and given out free | Nov 12 13:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | SeaOrifice: quality wise, its back to what XP was | Nov 12 13:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its not at the level 2k was | Nov 12 13:54 |
| oiaohm | vlite version of vista with sp2 compared to Windows 7 not much advantage. | Nov 12 13:54 |
| SeaOrifice | well if it was given for free by microsoft , i would have died on hearing that | Nov 12 13:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Nokia chief patent lawyer Tim Frain says the UPLS will give certainty over software patents in Europe: http://i5.be/SC | Nov 12 13:54 | |
| SeaOrifice | bt then microsoft can earn if it bcumz OS | Nov 12 13:55 |
| oiaohm | It has been for some of my clients SeaOrifice | Nov 12 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Charities and some businesses got free upgraded to there volume licences SeaOrifice | Nov 12 13:55 |
| SeaOrifice | I came to know they have made some changes to the new kernel | Nov 12 13:55 |
| SeaOrifice | which will never allow a physical dump to happen | Nov 12 13:56 |
| SeaOrifice | is that true ? | Nov 12 13:56 |
| SeaOrifice | yes oiaohm i do agree wid u | Nov 12 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Define physical dump. | Nov 12 13:57 |
| SeaOrifice | lets jst say shrtly that blue screen that normally use to come up | Nov 12 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Never underesitmate a person with freese spray and ram. | Nov 12 13:57 |
| SeaOrifice | in previous versions of windows | Nov 12 13:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | SeaOrifice: you mean the useless half of a backtrace? | Nov 12 13:58 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I'd be glad if they god rid of that | Nov 12 13:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | its too technical for idiot users | Nov 12 13:58 |
| oiaohm | can be turned back on. | Nov 12 13:58 |
| SeaOrifice | ya, thats wht i heard from one of the Kernel developers | Nov 12 13:58 |
| SeaOrifice | from the GTSC | Nov 12 13:58 |
| oiaohm | They just flicked a switch. | Nov 12 13:58 |
| oiaohm | There was a option to turn it off under vista. | Nov 12 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Most of windows 7 changes are windows dressing. | Nov 12 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Some are scaling changes. | Nov 12 13:59 |
| SeaOrifice | well dint really use vista, lost my interest when i heard it came up with lot of problems | Nov 12 14:00 |
| SeaOrifice | i made up my mind with ubuntu | Nov 12 14:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: thats really the worst problems in vista though | Nov 12 14:00 |
| SeaOrifice | but then this isnt the ryt place of talking of Linux over here | Nov 12 14:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | windows needs to be really really polished | Nov 12 14:00 |
| MinceR | indeed, preferably until nothing of it remains | Nov 12 14:01 |
| SeaOrifice | gud on ya MinceR | Nov 12 14:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | hah | Nov 12 14:01 |
| SeaOrifice | ;-) | Nov 12 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Linux core still has a lot of work to go. | Nov 12 14:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Nov 12 14:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | linux is pretty much finished | Nov 12 14:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | what we need is a new OS\ | Nov 12 14:02 |
| MinceR | zero? :> | Nov 12 14:02 |
| oiaohm | But still I don't want to think what windows kernel will think of 2000 + cores. | Nov 12 14:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: no, zero was going to be the X replacement | Nov 12 14:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: "ooh, per-core licensing! $_$" | Nov 12 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: lot of issues still to clean up in Linux. | Nov 12 14:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: not really | Nov 12 14:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | the biggest problem in linux is linus needs to be fired | Nov 12 14:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | and linux needs to switch over to an async messaging system | Nov 12 14:03 |
| SeaOrifice | Guys Guys, y dont make ur own linux than making a fyt | Nov 12 14:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | SeaOrifice: learn to type | Nov 12 14:04 |
| SeaOrifice | u could get a help from the LFS | Nov 12 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Linux is switching over to async messaging systems. | Nov 12 14:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | we dont need _systems_ | Nov 12 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Just removing the locks in the way are taking time. | Nov 12 14:04 |
| SeaOrifice | sry, Diablo-D3 is there a problo ? | Nov 12 14:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | we need _a_ system | Nov 12 14:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | and linus is rejecting any efforts to do that | Nov 12 14:05 |
| oiaohm | They cannot be introduced until BKL is removed Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 14:06 |
| oiaohm | One lot of stablity causing problems at a time Diablo-D3 | Nov 12 14:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | or we can just use a different kernel | Nov 12 14:07 |
| MinceR | hurd! | Nov 12 14:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | hurd would be nice if they actually GET ANYWHERE | Nov 12 14:11 |
| MinceR | it needs more developers | Nov 12 14:11 |
| MinceR | and for that it needs more hype | Nov 12 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Hurd is a good example of the nightmares async can introduce. | Nov 12 14:11 |
| oiaohm | And the reason you don't want to introduce it when you are doing something else that can cause scary grimlims. | Nov 12 14:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: not at all | Nov 12 14:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | hurd is the nightmare idiots can introduce | Nov 12 14:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | go look at L4 | Nov 12 14:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | its perfect | Nov 12 14:12 |
| MinceR | or if there really are that many people who want to introduce async messaging into Linux and Linus still refuses, they could fork Linux, at least temporarily. | Nov 12 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Early L4 also had errors from it. | Nov 12 14:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | early L4 is like ten years old now | Nov 12 14:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: nenolod is thinking about rewriting linux sanely | Nov 12 14:13 |
| zoobab | ls | Nov 12 14:13 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: from scratch? | Nov 12 14:13 |
| oiaohm | From scratch is not required. | Nov 12 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Lot of Linux is not in that bad of condition. | Nov 12 14:14 |
| MinceR | that's why i'm asking | Nov 12 14:14 |
| amarsh04 | I'm hopeful that any bug reports and suggestions and patches I feed back help improve the kernel and applications | Nov 12 14:15 |
| amarsh04 | e.g. a common use for a program is not illustrated by example, and I post the example to the bug list for that program to be included in future documentation | Nov 12 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Big thing is async messaging and badly placed locks not mix. | Nov 12 14:18 |
| amarsh04 | agreed | Nov 12 14:19 |
| oiaohm | The BKL push down is to get rid of lots of the badly placed locks. | Nov 12 14:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: Im not sure | Nov 12 14:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | he seems to just trying rid Linux of Linus | Nov 12 14:21 |
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| oiaohm | I guess you are aware vfs has techically support async for ages and its been not operational due to locks. Diablo-D3 Mostly need to clean out the locks to see what async frameworks are all ready there. | Nov 12 14:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I stopped caring like 10 minutes ago | Nov 12 14:25 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Health and #Free#Software Pushed as a Pair http://ur1.ca/fn95 http://ur1.ca/fn96 | Nov 12 15:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox 3.6 Reaches New Beta http://bit.ly/2JQhe4 | Nov 12 15:40 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla releases second Firefox 3.6 beta | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 73.62 KB | Nov 12 15:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Outrage in the United Kingdom Over Proprietary Software Costs http://ur1.ca/fn9b | Nov 12 15:41 | |
| DaemonFC | Lou Dobbs resigned from CNN | Nov 12 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Nov 12 15:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Free #CMS Software Reports and Winners http://ur1.ca/fn9h http://ur1.ca/fn9i | Nov 12 15:45 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source CMS market share report 2009 | Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 23.08 KB | Nov 12 15:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ImpressCMS Wins 2009 Most Promising Open Source CMS .::. Size~: 52.81 KB | Nov 12 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aMYUuNL9ljFw&pos=3 | Nov 12 15:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Intel to Pay AMD $1.25 Billion to Settle Disputes (Update1) - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 28.27 KB | Nov 12 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, you might be interested | Nov 12 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | they knew $1.25 billion was cheap compared to the likely outcome of the lawsuit | Nov 12 15:46 |
| *zer0c00l is now known as zer0c00l|Away | Nov 12 15:51 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft-damage-control-after-marketer-claims-Win7-inspired-by-Mac/1258037393 | Nov 12 15:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft damage control after marketer claims Win7 inspired by Mac | Companies News - Betanews .::. Size~: 30.07 KB | Nov 12 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/182010/microsoft_bans_up_to_one_million_users_from_xbox_live.html | Nov 12 15:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Bans Up to One Million Users From Xbox Live - PC World .::. Size~: 79.45 KB | Nov 12 15:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Patents Shown to be Worthless http://techdirt.com/articles/20091111/0217246892.shtml | Nov 12 15:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Bilski Test in Question http://ur1.ca/fnac http://ur1.ca/fnad #swpat | Nov 12 15:55 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Patents Changing User Privileges Temporarily On The Fly | Techdirt .::. Size~: 101.73 KB | Nov 12 15:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: US Supremes prod software patent law • The Register .::. Size~: 28.76 KB | Nov 12 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | XP is still at 70.48% according to Net Applications | Nov 12 15:55 |
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| DaemonFC | Not bad for the grandfather of Windows 7 | Nov 12 15:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Newspapers Evolve Models to Fit Abundance of Knowledge, Data http://ur1.ca/fnaj http://ur1.ca/fl7z | Nov 12 15:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Reflections of a Newsosaur: Newspaper epitaph: ‘Who else is doing it?’ .::. Size~: 60.32 KB | Nov 12 15:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A Look At All The Sites Owned By Rupert Murdoch That 'Steal' Content | Techdirt .::. Size~: 81.84 KB | Nov 12 15:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Well, I'm back home, and guess what? ... | Nov 12 16:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bad memories start to crosse my mind :'( AGAIN!! | Nov 12 16:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] cross* | Nov 12 16:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Enterprises Don't Care About #Vista7 http://bit.ly/2r4K1d | Nov 12 16:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Home Server Disaster Strikes Again http://bit.ly/HLVDi | Nov 12 16:08 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MS home server users hit by Windows Live Custom Domains snafu • The Register .::. Size~: 26.45 KB | Nov 12 16:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CNN Believes #Microsoft Can Fall Like #FederalMotors http://ur1.ca/fbtt | Nov 12 16:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Osla Seems to be Dying http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4499 | Nov 12 16:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Há, viva a Sapo (!) | Nov 12 16:12 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, GM has at least shed all its biggest money losers | Nov 12 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | getting rid of Hummer is going to spare them a lot of red ink all by itself | Nov 12 16:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Aumentam me o download mas diminuem me o upload... sim senhor, merecem o prémio da maior estupidez do mes... (4096->768 now 6144 -> 384) ... | Nov 12 16:13 | |
| DaemonFC | the only bad thing about the Hummer was the gas mileage, which frankly sucked | Nov 12 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | the H1 was the only model worth having | Nov 12 16:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SoftwarePatents Lobbyist #SAP Shows Its #Hypocrisy http://ur1.ca/fnbn http://ur1.ca/fnbo | Nov 12 16:14 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: SAP wants an open Java process (pot, meet kettle) | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 106.38 KB | Nov 12 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Who's Lou Dobbs? | Nov 12 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I probably know the face, maybe.... | Nov 12 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | that crazy conspiracy nut that had a 7-8 PM slot on CNN | Nov 12 16:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: AMD just needs cash, I guess | Nov 12 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | he was always helping along conspiracies like the birther thing | Nov 12 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | and the alleged North American Union | Nov 12 16:16 |
| schestowitz | The criminals finds it cheaper to settle and make money after the felony... | Nov 12 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They settled cheap | Nov 12 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think they could have gotten more, much more, but it would have taken years in court | Nov 12 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | and they're broke now | Nov 12 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's like how an insurance company comes into your hospital room and tries to get you to sign some lowball settlement while they know you're broke and hurt and not thinking clearly | Nov 12 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Too bad companies can't be put behind bars | Nov 12 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Or forced to be dismanled | Nov 12 16:17 |
| schestowitz | At best they get broken up | Nov 12 16:18 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Microsoft exec gets shot down after 'inaccurate' #Windows 7 spiel http://ln-s.net/4ZGv #Apple | Nov 12 16:21 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MS exec gets shot down after 'inaccurate' Windows 7 spiel • The Register .::. Size~: 25.65 KB | Nov 12 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I may close my savings account and just put the money into one of those fireproof lock boxes or something | Nov 12 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | I'm tired of everyone butting in and the hospital saying stupid shit like "Oh, you have $100 in savings, why can't you just pay us out of that?" | Nov 12 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | cause yeah, that'll really put a dent in the $3,000 ER bill, the $900 in X-ray, CAT scan, and EEG bills, etc | Nov 12 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | if I paid them off $100 a month it would take all my spending money for the better part of two years | Nov 12 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | they don't care, that will cover about 1% of the hospital administrator's Christmas bonus | Nov 12 16:26 |
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| DaemonFC | woohoo | Nov 12 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I'm so opposed to even trying to pay that, they're wasteful and everything costs twice what it should to cover the hospital bureaucrats | Nov 12 16:27 |
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| DaemonFC | they can't seize any of my SSDI income and even if they could, I'd rather just pay a lawyer the $800 to file bankruptcy | Nov 12 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, the principle of the thing. I don't negotiate with terrorists. :) | Nov 12 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | But they don't terrorise | Nov 12 16:51 |
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| shreddar | http://www.pcworld.com/article/182003/does_microsoft_want_you_to_hate_netbooks.html | Nov 12 16:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Does Microsoft Want You to Hate Netbooks? - PC World .::. Size~: 71.58 KB | Nov 12 16:57 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: it's Shill Oneal | Nov 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't really mention Linux | Nov 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/30/shane-oneill-steve-ballmer-vs-linux/ | Nov 12 16:59 |
| shreddar | Yeah but it basically confirmes my beliefs about what MSs stack in netbooks is | Nov 12 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | He mentioned Linux just once. When? | Nov 12 16:59 |
| schestowitz | When he makes the false point that Windows 'won' | Nov 12 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Kickbacks and all | Nov 12 17:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Another new song released today: Voice of the Kernel http://tinyurl.com/yc9stw5 | Nov 12 17:02 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OSGEEX: Another new song: Voice of the Kernel .::. Size~: 73.05 KB | Nov 12 17:02 |
| shreddar | I see the articles other point. MS doesn't like the margins of netbooks so they gimp the netbook version of Windows. | Nov 12 17:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Katy Perry Hot 'n Cold Lyrics" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8oor | Nov 12 17:05 | |
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| shreddar | People are unhappy with the the poor expirence of the gimped Windows and they hope that'll lead to sales of higher end PC's. | Nov 12 17:06 |
| shreddar | This reminds me of something IBM tried to do. | Nov 12 17:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Breaking Benjamin - The Diary of Jane - Music Video" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8ox1 | Nov 12 17:09 | |
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| shreddar | They tried to get MS to make Windows 95 be gimped in order to make people pay more for the premium OS/2. | Nov 12 17:10 |
| shreddar | I think they also tried to make their PC's gimped in order to make companies pay a premium for their other computers. | Nov 12 17:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Damn! That was a missing semi colon that made me scratching my head for nearly 3 hrs ; | Nov 12 17:11 | |
| shreddar | In the end though the customer didn't feel that IBM premium machines and OS were worth the premium cost. | Nov 12 17:14 |
| shreddar | The article also says that OEMs demanded a lower priced OS. | Nov 12 17:15 |
| shreddar | The customer is flocking to lower priced computers. | Nov 12 17:15 |
| shreddar | The way thing are going MS will have to except that or end up on the wrong side of a trend. | Nov 12 17:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - "New Divide"" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8pcp | Nov 12 17:16 | |
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| schestowitz | [17:05] <shreddar> I see the articles other point. MS doesn't like the margins of netbooks so they gimp the netbook version of Windows. | Nov 12 17:17 |
| schestowitz | They do it at their own peril | Nov 12 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Let Windows income continue to sink, as it already does | Nov 12 17:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Exploit is Out (Zero-Day Vulnerability) http://ping.fm/6hTdJ | Nov 12 17:18 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Vista 7 Exploit is Out (Zero-Day Vulnerability) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.81 KB | Nov 12 17:18 |
| shreddar | I think as things ease on eventually all versions Windows will hit the $0 mark. | Nov 12 17:30 |
| MinceR | but will they ever reach their actual value? :> | Nov 12 17:39 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Partner Group Manager Reveals the Obvious: #Windows is a Ripoff of Rivals http://ping.fm/zXGvs | Nov 12 17:44 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsofts Partner Group Manager Reveals the Obvious: Windows is a Ripoff of Rivals | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.31 KB | Nov 12 17:44 |
| shreddar | I doubt it. Most of their company is made to keep it so they don't have to compete. | Nov 12 17:45 |
| shreddar | Almost every time they do come out with consumer products/sevices they turn into commercial fallers. | Nov 12 17:47 |
| shreddar | Any time they don't have customer lock-in to help them out, they fall flat. | Nov 12 17:51 |
| shreddar | They want to continue having premium margins without having to provide premium products or service. | Nov 12 17:55 |
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| shreddar_ | They want to continue having premium margins without having to provide premium products or service. | Nov 12 17:58 |
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| shreddar_ | I think their R&D is organized more for locking customers in rather than surpassing customers expectations. | Nov 12 17:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - "New Divide"" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8s22 | Nov 12 18:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Can #GNOME 3.0 Avoid #Mono Despite GNOME Foundation Director Being #Novell Employee? http://ping.fm/oDUay | Nov 12 18:04 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Can GNOME 3.0 Avoid Mono Despite GNOME Foundation Director Being Novell Employee? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 96.53 KB | Nov 12 18:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Breaking Benjamin - The Diary of Jane - Music Video" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8se5 | Nov 12 18:05 | |
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| shreddar_ | They would have to turn back on at least a decades worth of habitually coming out with upgrades and calling them new releases. | Nov 12 18:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I use to sing this song as if it was a part of me :) ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8sl2 | Nov 12 18:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, In my letter of why I could not include two bank statements for the hospital: "The financial assistiance form you have sent me states that I must include two bank statements; hoever, my bank automatically enrolled me in some kind of online statements (I had no reason to care until now). I do not have a printer and the library seems to be using Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer. As this is a public kiosk run | Nov 12 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | ning proprietary software I do not trust, I will not be signing into my bank account or entering my social security number to access said account." | Nov 12 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Nov 12 18:09 |
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| shreddar_ | I would not use a public kiosk to enter sensitive information regardless of the software it ran on. | Nov 12 18:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Kelly Clarkson - Already Gone (Bimbo Jones Club Mix) - Kelly-Clarkson.NET" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8suy | Nov 12 18:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "*Kelly Clarkson* - Already Gone {3rd NEW Single 2009} BEST HQ + Übersetzung/Translation German" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8ti1 | Nov 12 18:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] There is nothing that can distract me from the pain I'm feeling right now :'( | Nov 12 18:26 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: coding maybe? | Nov 12 18:29 |
| trmanco | I can't | Nov 12 18:29 |
| trmanco | :S | Nov 12 18:29 |
| trmanco | I have no inspiration | Nov 12 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a film | Nov 12 18:29 |
| trmanco | I've seen tons | Nov 12 18:29 |
| trmanco | :| | Nov 12 18:29 |
| trmanco | not even games | Nov 12 18:30 |
| trmanco | social networking | Nov 12 18:30 |
| trmanco | nothing | Nov 12 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | I told the maintenence guy my nickname for the other two guys that come out | Nov 12 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Beavis and Butthead | Nov 12 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | I told my landlord not to send them again | Nov 12 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | they do every job two ways | Nov 12 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | fast and just a bit wrong | Nov 12 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | what good does fixing something do if it never works right again and wears out twice as fast? | Nov 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | I think he fired them cause he got enough complaints and got tired of sending this guy out to fix everything they had done | Nov 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | they're a bunch of total fuckups | Nov 12 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | this guy though, when he fixes something, he fixes it right to begin with | Nov 12 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | so he's been chasing around everything the last guys installed wrong in my apartment | Nov 12 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | we're finally on the bathroom | Nov 12 18:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Actions — Not #FreeSoftware Proponents — Are Harming #FOSS http://ping.fm/WkP7L | Nov 12 18:42 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Actions Not Free Software Proponents Are Harming FOSS | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.02 KB | Nov 12 18:42 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: there's lots more on Google Video | Nov 12 18:43 |
| schestowitz | You'll find something. Choose happy stuff. | Nov 12 18:43 |
| schestowitz | gtg | Nov 12 18:43 |
| trmanco | I live in the country side | Nov 12 18:44 |
| trmanco | happy stuff here? | Nov 12 18:44 |
| trmanco | huh | Nov 12 18:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Kelly Clarkson - Already Gone (Bimbo Jones Club Mix) - Kelly-Clarkson.NET" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8uoe | Nov 12 18:44 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/14485948 | Nov 12 18:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jan Wildeboer (jwildeboer) 's status on Thursday, 12-Nov-09 18:00:58 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.62 KB | Nov 12 18:46 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz let M$ donate all MONO and .NET related patents to OIN and we might be willing to think about it ;-)" | Nov 12 18:46 |
| trmanco | I have dvds | Nov 12 18:46 |
| schestowitz | bye for now | Nov 12 18:46 |
| trmanco | movies | Nov 12 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Better country side than urban pollution | Nov 12 18:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "*Kelly Clarkson* - Already Gone {3rd NEW Single 2009} BEST HQ + Übersetzung/Translation German" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8urc | Nov 12 18:46 | |
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| trmanco | I prefer "urban pollution" | Nov 12 18:46 |
| trmanco | there is a lot more to do | Nov 12 18:46 |
| trmanco | a lot more people to socialize | Nov 12 18:47 |
| cubezzz | socialize online! | Nov 12 18:49 |
| trmanco | I try | Nov 12 18:49 |
| cubezzz | argue about Microsoft and computer languages! | Nov 12 18:49 |
| cubezzz | fun fun fun :) | Nov 12 18:49 |
| trmanco | I'm not in the mood for that :S | Nov 12 18:49 |
| trmanco | I think I'm gonna be a body builder :-P | Nov 12 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Nov 12 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | interesting idea | Nov 12 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | the Sucker Payoff | Nov 12 18:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Kelly Clarkson - Since You Been Gone" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8vk4 | Nov 12 19:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - "New Divide"" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8vq4 | Nov 12 19:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: New warning on "perfect vaginas" http://notnews.today.com/?p=731 'cos swearing copiously is not only puerile, it's fun! | Nov 12 19:09 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New warning on perfect vaginas - News of the News .::. Size~: 35.34 KB | Nov 12 19:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Feelings - Flickr Photo Download: Broken Heart http://tumblr.com/xkj3zwk9x | Nov 12 19:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Feelings 2 - Flickr Photo Download: Broken Cry of Red Tear Eyes http://tumblr.com/xkj3zwkmd | Nov 12 19:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Feelings 3 - Broken Heart by *Bambr on deviantART http://tumblr.com/xkj3zwmp5 | Nov 12 19:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] crap, ja fiz merda | Nov 12 19:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: Broken Heart (via stateofplace) http://tumblr.com/xkj3zwple | Nov 12 19:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Photo: Broken Heart by *Bambr on deviantART http://tumblr.com/xkj3zwq9f | Nov 12 19:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | Comcast is shifting around their pricing and channel lineup | Nov 12 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | to make sure that any channel a human being would want to watch is only on their $35+ packages | Nov 12 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | they're doubling the price of Expanded service | Nov 12 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | bastards | Nov 12 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | every time you threaten to cancel, suddenly they cut your bill in half for another 6 months | Nov 12 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | don't ask them to cut your bill, they won't | Nov 12 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | you have to tell them you're thinking of canceling and then they will | Nov 12 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | nothing under $55.74 a month has the Sci Fi channel | Nov 12 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | after Dec 10 | Nov 12 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | they're holding all your channels hostage and forcing you to pay an extra $25 a month to get them back | Nov 12 19:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - Numb - Official Video (HQ)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8y21 | Nov 12 19:43 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.7 KB | Nov 12 19:43 |
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| DaemonFC | by the time anything gets to Pay Per View anymore, it costs $5 and the Redbox machine has the DVD for $1 | Nov 12 19:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] A ver a minha rota pela A17 amanha para ir a Aveiro :) Alguem me quer fazer companhia? | Nov 12 19:44 | |
| DaemonFC | I may just get a dry DSL line and skype if this shit keeps up | Nov 12 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | they are really pissing me off | Nov 12 19:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - Given Up [Official Video] [HQ]" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8ycg | Nov 12 19:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | in fact, I think I will in January | Nov 12 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'll use that stimulus check to set up a DSL line | Nov 12 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | It costs like $45 a month for a 6 Mbps DSL line vs like who knows what you'll pay for Comcast | Nov 12 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | $57.95 for Cable internet that fast alone | Nov 12 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | but they'll discount it if you buy other shit you really don't want | Nov 12 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's how they sucker you | Nov 12 19:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Tell me what the f*ck is wrong with me?" | Nov 12 19:50 | |
| DaemonFC | they manage to work their way up to $90 between internet and TV you hardly watch | Nov 12 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | everything hogs so much bandwidth anymore, you can't just get the $20 basic DSL | Nov 12 19:51 |
| cubezzz | Antenna ftw | Nov 12 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | actually | Nov 12 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'm gonna dump Comcast before the end of December | Nov 12 19:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Linkin Park - "New Divide"" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8ynx | Nov 12 19:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Hoje devo ter batido o recorde de tweets.... | Nov 12 19:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | AT&T is offering the free modem/gateway and the $20 bill credit for three months til then | Nov 12 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I won't miss Comcast, at all | Nov 12 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | after all the customer abuse they put me through | Nov 12 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | the overcharging | Nov 12 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | and now it's fixing to get worse | Nov 12 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I estimate my bill would probably go up at least $10 after next month | Nov 12 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | January is when my promo discount ends anyway for when I threatened to leave before | Nov 12 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | so that would leave me paying like $100 or more | Nov 12 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just going to get a dry 6 Mbps DSL line and pay the $45 | Nov 12 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | at least there's no surprise bill hikes every few months | Nov 12 19:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] 89 tweets hoje :) | Nov 12 20:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] @trmanco Just checked your stats on TwitterCounter: http://twittercounter.com/trmanco | Nov 12 20:00 | |
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| cubezzz | what is gethostip part of? | Nov 12 20:01 |
| cubezzz | hmmph | Nov 12 20:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "u2- live - with or without you" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g8zn5 | Nov 12 20:10 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, gethostip is part of syslinux | Nov 12 20:12 |
| cubezzz | small enough to port | Nov 12 20:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Finally going through the dusty reference books I bought from Oxfam years ago to add stuff to #Wikipedia. ENCYCLOPEDIA NERD. | Nov 12 20:13 | |
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| Bean | hi | Nov 12 20:17 |
| Bean | is this a joke or... | Nov 12 20:17 |
| Bean | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091111094923390 | Nov 12 20:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] O que é que costumam dizer quando se tem uma orelha quente e vermelha (orelha direita)? | Nov 12 20:19 | |
| tessier | What's with the portuguese? | Nov 12 20:20 |
| tessier | trmanco: I just bought tickets to U2's Anaheim concert on June 7th. | Nov 12 20:20 |
| tessier | Bought them yesterday morning actually. Got excellent seats. | Nov 12 20:20 |
| trmanco | :) | Nov 12 20:20 |
| trmanco | the will be coming here to my place on the 6th of november | Nov 12 20:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @MuStAnG_sk0m: @trmanco que tão a falar mal de ti xD.. acho || :S | Nov 12 20:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Vou perguntar a minha mae :) | Nov 12 20:26 | |
| ender2070_ | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2009-November/msg00003.html | Nov 12 20:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "A esquerda é a falar bem, a direita é a falar mal" | Nov 12 20:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Acabei agora de ver que já tenho adsl2+ -> Modulation ADSL_2plus | Nov 12 20:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] adsl2+ numa terra seca cma minha, nada mau, evitavam era mudar a velicidade de upload pra pior... mas pronto... ja reclamei | Nov 12 20:35 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] A whole OS designed using the #Go language http://ur1.ca/fnto #google | Nov 12 20:46 | |
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| MinceR | :D | Nov 12 20:47 |
| cubezzz | ? | Nov 12 20:48 |
| Bean | http://irishsoccerinsider.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/french-and-irish-fall-out-over-box-incident/ | Nov 12 20:49 |
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| Bean | :p | Nov 12 20:49 |
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| Will___ | schestowitz: http://www.ghabuntu.com/2009/11/cuba-preparing-to-quit-windows-in-favor.html | Nov 12 20:51 |
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| Will___ | schestowitz: http://stephencuyos.com/?p=1528 | Nov 12 20:52 |
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| Bean | nice | Nov 12 20:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train Lyrics" ♫ http://blip.fm/~g92o2 | Nov 12 20:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Check this video out -- David Guetta feat. Estelle - One Love (Official videoclip) http://bit.ly/2pdxt9 | Nov 12 21:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] LOLada -> http://bit.ly/vZ1ya | Nov 12 21:02 | |
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| tessier | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091111151305785 | Nov 12 21:03 |
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| tessier | Do you think lawyers/judges are capable of understanding this? | Nov 12 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | probably not | Nov 12 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | judges tend to be old | Nov 12 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | at least the ones on the courts that matter | Nov 12 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | a lawyer might | Nov 12 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | judges tend to issue absurd judgments when dealing with technologies because they tend to be too old to even have some understanding of them | Nov 12 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | so they end up trying to make is correspond to what they do know | Nov 12 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | so software becomes like a book | Nov 12 21:05 |
| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVwxTWVfiho | Nov 12 21:06 |
| trmanco | you guys need to see this | Nov 12 21:06 |
| cubezzz | well, no one can know everything | Nov 12 21:06 |
| trmanco | it's hilarious | Nov 12 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7's time is probably limited on this machine | Nov 12 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora 12 will probably replace it | Nov 12 21:07 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: What's great about this is that it isn't teaching about any particular technology. | Nov 12 21:08 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: This is just math. And most of this math was invented before the judge was born. | Nov 12 21:08 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: That is what is great about this approach. It is technology agnostic. | Nov 12 21:08 |
| tessier | Lawyers/judges are very precise and logical thinking people. They do a lot of reasoning. I suspect a lot of them could handle this. | Nov 12 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | every judge is an activist judge | Nov 12 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | they usually bend the law in favor of special interests | Nov 12 21:10 |
| tessier | The problem is just that they have been lacking information since their profession is very separate from the sciences. | Nov 12 21:10 |
| ender2070_ | Fedora 12 is the way to go | Nov 12 21:24 |
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| cubezzz | ender2070_, why do you say that? | Nov 12 21:27 |
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| ender2070_ | its awesome | Nov 12 21:32 |
| cubezzz | oh ok :) | Nov 12 21:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Newsbeuter - Now With Podcatching Powers | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y9khp57 | Nov 12 21:43 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Newsbeuter - Now With Podcatching Powers | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 19.42 KB | Nov 12 21:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Really looking forward to seeing my friends at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Dallas next week http://bit.ly/3wQuBH | Nov 12 21:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Really looking forward to seeing my friends at the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Dallas next week. http://bit.ly/3wQuBH #fb | Nov 12 21:48 | |
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| vincentH_ | Q: about Gnome.NET. Isn't just openGnome to be forked? | Nov 12 21:50 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @cenourinha: Eh campeão! http://bit.ly/1n6VLj OMG | Nov 12 21:52 | |
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| _goblin | hi all | Nov 12 22:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Microsoft Product is Allegedly Dying, #Vista7 Rejected by Enterprises http://ping.fm/CSBIE #oslo | Nov 12 22:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Another Microsoft Product is Allegedly Dying, Vista 7 Rejected by Enterprises | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.34 KB | Nov 12 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Hi, _goblin | Nov 12 22:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] New report reveals US indirectly funding the Taliban in #Afghanistan http://ur1.ca/fo46 Lets get out of this $300B #war http://ur1.ca/f8ft | Nov 12 22:18 | |
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| _goblin | Hi Roy, anything exciting happening today? | Nov 12 22:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] First things first...is Ballmer singing this for a hero to save Microsoft? ;) http://bit.ly/UgaP4 | Nov 12 22:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @shockozulu @jeremyscahill: John Cusack Drops F-Bomb On CBS Early Show: http://bit.ly/3J5GgE @FCC fine time! http://ur1.ca/fo4o | Nov 12 22:25 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Say Anything: John Cusack Drops F-Bomb On CBS Early Show | TV | Mediaite .::. Size~: 27.51 KB | Nov 12 22:25 |
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| _goblin | Nice article Roy, just read it.......I always forget to use the Ballmer quote “I’m going to f—ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I’m going to f—ing kill Google.” | Nov 12 22:31 |
| _goblin | its a cracker. | Nov 12 22:31 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: friend's having issues at work | Nov 12 22:37 |
| schestowitz | It's only my problem as far as my relations to friends go | Nov 12 22:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT@computerworld Windows Mobile smartphone sales plunged 20% in Q3 -- even as overall smartphone sales were up. http://bit.ly/4D0iHA | Nov 12 22:37 | |
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| schestowitz | Does anyone here read FS Daily? | Nov 12 22:39 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Nov 12 22:39 | |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: your friend? | Nov 12 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Yes, from around here | Nov 12 22:43 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Ive always had a very close relationship with my work collegues (who are friends too) its sort of a unique environment at my workplace. | Nov 12 22:43 |
| _goblin | I never did manage to get up to manchester this year! | Nov 12 22:44 |
| _goblin | Im up to Sunderland in a few weeks, but thats my last trip away before xmas. | Nov 12 22:45 |
| _goblin | off topic: | Nov 12 22:46 |
| _goblin | A man I have alot of respect for: | Nov 12 22:46 |
| _goblin | http://twitter.com/maddoghall | Nov 12 22:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Pseudo-Open Source #CMS Fails, #GPL Violations Noted Everywhere http://ping.fm/Kt77x | Nov 12 22:48 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsofts Pseudo-Open Source CMS Fails, GPL Violations Noted Everywhere | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.54 KB | Nov 12 22:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @_Goblin Those parts of the CDA were shot down as unconstitutional in ACLU v Reno http://ur1.ca/fo61 #indecency #libel #freespeech | Nov 12 22:52 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 37.46 KB | Nov 12 22:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] @_Goblin Those parts of the CDA were shot down as unconstitutional in Reno v. ACLU http://ur1.ca/fo61 #indecency #libel #freespeech | Nov 12 22:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 37.46 KB | Nov 12 22:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: From the one that cut you. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/19692.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/533394.html | Nov 12 23:03 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: reddragdiva | From the one that cut you. .::. Size~: 28.6 KB | Nov 12 23:03 |
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| _Hicham_ | hi schestowitz | Nov 12 23:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] ♻ @MarkWSchumann: @democracynow, Dr. Steffie Woolhandler: Throw out house #hcr bill, start over with #singlepayer http://bit.ly/4wD0J8 | Nov 12 23:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Ralph Nader: Still waiting for #healthCare http://ur1.ca/fmr6 #hcr #singlepayer #Obama #corporatewelfare "L'Senat c'est moi." | Nov 12 23:11 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Still Waiting for Health Care | CommonDreams.org .::. Size~: 169.29 KB | Nov 12 23:11 |
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| Anonymous_ | hello | Nov 12 23:15 |
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| tessier | Goodbye | Nov 12 23:16 |
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| nonbody | hello | Nov 12 23:16 |
| nonbody | is anyone here | Nov 12 23:16 |
| nonbody | i see a desu fag here | Nov 12 23:16 |
| nonbody | good to see that | Nov 12 23:16 |
| nonbody | but | Nov 12 23:17 |
| nonbody | everyone here is aware about ACTA correct? | Nov 12 23:17 |
| nonbody | what are you going to do about it | Nov 12 23:17 |
| nonbody | get involved | Nov 12 23:17 |
| nonbody | make people aware | Nov 12 23:17 |
| nonbody | fight back | Nov 12 23:17 |
| nonbody | that is all | Nov 12 23:17 |
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| ThistleWeb | you heard it here first | Nov 12 23:18 |
| tessier | Not at all a good advocate of whatever movement that person thinks they are supporting. | Nov 12 23:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The ‘Microsoft of Europe’ Instructs #Oracle on #FreeSoftware http://ping.fm/19CRy #sap | Nov 12 23:27 | |
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| _Hicham_ | tessier is a great advocate | Nov 12 23:32 |
| _Hicham_ | without him, we wouldn't have BN up | Nov 12 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Hi, _Hicham_ | Nov 12 23:35 |
| *schestowitz catches up | Nov 12 23:35 | |
| tessier | This groklaw posting is brilliant. | Nov 12 23:35 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes, I have friendships with many people whom I know here. It's a long story though, not on topic | Nov 12 23:35 |
| tessier | Glad someone finally wrote it all down and made the arguments. | Nov 12 23:35 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: just added maddog | Nov 12 23:36 |
| _goblin | Ive read his work in the mainstream Linux press.....very decent man. | Nov 12 23:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A daily accumulation of links about news that can affect legality of software patents http://ping.fm/sSz7C #swpat | Nov 12 23:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Patents Roundup: Bilski Links and Other Stories | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.14 KB | Nov 12 23:37 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: he wanted a Nobel prize | Nov 12 23:38 |
| schestowitz | !google maddog nobel | Nov 12 23:39 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Paw Prints: Writings of the maddog - Linux Magazine Online | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-maddog | Nov 12 23:39 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - I never won a Nobel Peace Prize. - Linux Magazine Online | http://www.linux-magazine.com/content/view/full/40391 | Nov 12 23:39 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Jeff Greenfield on Obama's Nobel Peace Prize - Video - FOXBusiness.com | http://video.foxbusiness.com/10600092/jeff-greenfield-on-obamas-nobel-peace-prize/%3Fcategory_id%3D91d8980cac063f4b75bfb77ee220625e1ccf6d9d | Nov 12 23:39 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Mad Dogs and Englishmen: October 2008 | http://self-preservationsociety.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html | Nov 12 23:39 |
| _goblin | what is it with FOSS and beards????? | Nov 12 23:39 |
| _goblin | another person to prove my theory.! | Nov 12 23:39 |
| schestowitz | You ask me? | Nov 12 23:39 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : u insulted me last night :) | Nov 12 23:39 |
| schestowitz | You're the one with facial hair, _goblin | Nov 12 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Not me | Nov 12 23:39 |
| _goblin | true..... | Nov 12 23:39 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I did?? | Nov 12 23:39 |
| _goblin | Roy, maybe you should grow a beard? | Nov 12 23:39 |
| *schestowitz thinks _Hicham_ pulls his leg | Nov 12 23:39 | |
| *_Hicham_ thinks that _goblin is a big bearded terrorist | Nov 12 23:40 | |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 12 23:40 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Haha. | Nov 12 23:40 |
| _goblin | its only a little beard | Nov 12 23:40 |
| schestowitz | How did you find out? :-) | Nov 12 23:40 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : u told me that i was planning to ban DaemonFC | Nov 12 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I was joking | Nov 12 23:40 |
| _Hicham_ | have I ever kicked someone ? | Nov 12 23:40 |
| schestowitz | You'd have a good debate in reality | Nov 12 23:40 |
| _Hicham_ | i was really shocked that u r thinking of me that way | Nov 12 23:41 |
| schestowitz | You'd be all diplomatic and Ryan would have his blood pressure going THROUGH the roof until he convulses on the floor | Nov 12 23:41 |
| _goblin | Ryan? | Nov 12 23:41 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you did want him banned before | Nov 12 23:41 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: Ryan Farmer, Daemon | Nov 12 23:42 |
| _goblin | Im sure I had a Ryan visit my site recently. | Nov 12 23:42 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : no, just kicked, not banned | Nov 12 23:42 |
| _goblin | trying to cause trouble. | Nov 12 23:42 |
| _Hicham_ | i've never asked u to ban anyone | Nov 12 23:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: that's kind of you | Nov 12 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Kicking it w/ the daemons | Nov 12 23:42 |
| _goblin | that makes sense....Ive had DaemonFC on ignore for months, I had mostly forgotten about him.... | Nov 12 23:42 |
| _Hicham_ | i asked u one time because he was getting bad | Nov 12 23:42 |
| _Hicham_ | just until he calms down | Nov 12 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | and plus, the things that he says when he is high are not good for the channel :) | Nov 12 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | as this channel is monitored by a lot of people | Nov 12 23:43 |
| _goblin | high? how do you know? | Nov 12 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | _goblin : it is clear and obvious | Nov 12 23:43 |
| _goblin | I thought he was just anti-social. | Nov 12 23:44 |
| _Hicham_ | he's got seizures last time | Nov 12 23:44 |
| _Hicham_ | maybe he is epileptic or sthg | Nov 12 23:44 |
| _goblin | like I say Ive had him on ignore for a while...it was his Islamaphobia which I could not stand. | Nov 12 23:45 |
| _goblin | that was when I turned him off. | Nov 12 23:45 |
| _Hicham_ | I am muslim and I tolerate his islamophobia | Nov 12 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | but i see him rather a victim than an offender | Nov 12 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | he's the victim of american media | Nov 12 23:46 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] This man must be executed for crimes against #Bugatti http://ur1.ca/fo93 | Nov 12 23:46 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Galveston County Daily News .::. Size~: 31.88 KB | Nov 12 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | he is not the only one to behave like that, a lot of americans do | Nov 12 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes, a lot flock in acc. w/ the press | Nov 12 23:47 |
| schestowitz | The minority can escape it | Nov 12 23:47 |
| _goblin | I just didn't want to hear it...I have many friends within the Muslim community and have seen them be victims of vile hate...its one of the trigger points that boils my blood. | Nov 12 23:48 |
| schestowitz | It's like a stream of 24/7 patriotism, as some smart people there put it. It's not just television and radio, conversations w/ people as well | Nov 12 23:48 |
| tessier | Mostly small minded people of low education. | Nov 12 23:48 |
| schestowitz | What goes in comes out | Nov 12 23:49 |
| tessier | Unfortunately they are rather loud. | Nov 12 23:49 |
| schestowitz | All ideas that are expressed are just a mixture of input in in modern information warfare, the majority of this input is media | Nov 12 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Including films and imagery like adverts on the road | Nov 12 23:49 |
| *schestowitz amazed at how patient _Hicham_ is with Daemon | Nov 12 23:50 | |
| schestowitz | "Hi Roy | Nov 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "One thing everyone can agree on, no matter where they come down on the current health care debates, is that no one should get sick as a result of visiting the doctor. | Nov 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "Hospitals are rightfully expected to get you better but that's not always the case. Sometimes people are picking up infections, from pneumonia to antibiotic-resistant staph (MRSA), while under treatment for other health problems, or even while just in the hospital having a baby. That's a situation that could, and should, be completely avoidable. | Nov 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "Kimberly-Clark Health Care is on the forefront of protecting patients from Healthcare-Associated Infections (HAI) and has put together a site dedicated to that prevention called HAI Watch: Not on My Watch. The site has information for both healthcare professionals and healthcare consumers. | Nov 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "I would like to ask for your help getting the word out on Boycott Novell. Here's a microsite which explains everything. Please use any of the images, logos, videos, etc, on your site: | Nov 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | " http://www.haiwatchnews.com/ | Nov 12 23:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Healthcare-Associated Infection: Not on My Watch - Kimberly-Clark Health Care .::. Size~: 18.87 KB | Nov 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "Please let me know if you have any questions and if you are able to post, I'd really appreciated it if you'd send me the link. | Nov 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "Thank you, Barbara | Nov 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "Barbara Dunn barbara@haiwatchnews.com www.haiwatch.com | Nov 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "Hi Roy | Nov 12 23:50 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : i help i could help those | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "One thing everyone can agree on, no matter where they come down on the current health care debates, is that no one should get sick as a result of visiting the doctor. | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "Hospitals are rightfully expected to get you better but that's not always the case. Sometimes people are picking up infections, from pneumonia to antibiotic-resistant staph (MRSA), while under treatment for other health problems, or even while just in the hospital having a baby. That's a situation that could, and should, be completely avoidable. | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "Kimberly-Clark Health Care is on the forefront of protecting patients from Healthcare-Associated Infections (HAI) and has put together a site dedicated to that prevention called HAI Watch: Not on My Watch. The site has information for both healthcare professionals and healthcare consumers. | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "I would like to ask for your help getting the word out on Boycott Novell. Here's a microsite which explains everything. Please use any of the images, logos, videos, etc, on your site: | Nov 12 23:51 |
| _Hicham_ | but the US mass media is more powerful at brainwashing them | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | " http://www.haiwatchnews.com/ | Nov 12 23:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Healthcare-Associated Infection: Not on My Watch - Kimberly-Clark Health Care .::. Size~: 18.87 KB | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "Please let me know if you have any questions and if you are able to post, I'd really appreciated it if you'd send me the link. | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "Thank you, Barbara | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | "Barbara Dunn barbara@haiwatchnews.com www.haiwatch.com | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Pasted from the *social channel. It's some off person who spammed me, asking that I link to some healthcare cartel garbage. No idea how they got my e-mail | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: the media gets more 'air time' with them | Nov 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Same with lobbyists in a way. They get full access to the politicians | Nov 12 23:52 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : they d rather see channels on dishes instead of the cable | Nov 12 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Here's the link I was gonna paste: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/fbiciansa_infor.html | Nov 12 23:52 |
| _Hicham_ | cable company provides what they want | Nov 12 23:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Schneier on Security: FBI/CIA/NSA Information Sharing Before 9/11 .::. Size~: 28.2 KB | Nov 12 23:53 |
| *Will__ (i=4c724679@gateway/web/freenode/x-iybynepikkeyaate) has joined #boycottnovell | Nov 12 23:53 | |
| Will__ | hi _goblin! | Nov 12 23:54 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : where is twitter1 ? | Nov 12 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Will__: thanks for the URLs | Nov 12 23:56 |
| Will__ | schestowitz: no prob. btw, I'm finally blowing away Ubuntu 8.04. Trying out Mandriva 2010 first. | Nov 12 23:58 |
| _Hicham_ | mandriva KDE or GNOME ? | Nov 12 23:58 |
| Will__ | KDE. | Nov 12 23:58 |
| _Hicham_ | it is great | Nov 12 23:58 |
| Will__ | Wanted to finally test drive KDE4. | Nov 12 23:58 |
| schestowitz | kde4 | Nov 12 23:58 |
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| _Hicham_ | it is one of the best KDE distros of the moment | Nov 12 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Do they still have kde3 options? The screenshots seem to suggest so | Nov 12 23:59 |
| _Hicham_ | ask schestowitz | Nov 12 23:59 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: opensuse too (released today) | Nov 12 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Green plasma | Nov 12 23:59 |
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