_Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : are u as brainwashed as DaemonFC ? | Nov 14 00:01 |
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Diablo-D3 | no, Im making a joke | Nov 14 00:05 |
Diablo-D3 | and making fun of the palistinians who really do think we're invading their backwards little nation | Nov 14 00:05 |
Diablo-D3 | we're just trying to contain the taliban and stop them from escaping into their backwards little nation | Nov 14 00:05 |
Diablo-D3 | clearly, we hate all backwards little nations equally, but palistine has nothing we want | Nov 14 00:05 |
_Hicham_ | what an agressive statement ... | Nov 14 00:08 |
_Hicham_ | so u think that u r the only forward country ? | Nov 14 00:08 |
_Hicham_ | great ... | Nov 14 00:08 |
Diablo-D3 | no, we just have the biggest collective dick. | Nov 14 00:08 |
schestowitz | bbl | Nov 14 00:08 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: stop it | Nov 14 00:09 |
_Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : why this wasn't used to help Katrina's victims ? | Nov 14 00:09 |
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Diablo-D3 | _Hicham_: because we had inter-dickery problems | Nov 14 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | mainly, vice president dick | Nov 14 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | and the congressional dick team | Nov 14 00:10 |
_Hicham_ | Diablo-D3 : then what ur talking about is useless | Nov 14 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | yes, without a proper head on the dick, its not too useful | Nov 14 00:10 |
_Hicham_ | a little hurricane proved that there is nothing u can do | Nov 14 00:11 |
_Hicham_ | a volcano would be worse | Nov 14 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | except now we have obama | Nov 14 00:11 |
_Hicham_ | or a seism in California | Nov 14 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | an earthquake, moron | Nov 14 00:11 |
_Hicham_ | nice way to talk | Nov 14 00:12 |
_Hicham_ | is that how u r raised there ? | Nov 14 00:12 |
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_Hicham_ | u need the static method System.Education.reeducate(Person badSocietyProduct) | Nov 14 00:16 |
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wallc | I just finished reading the "Corel" article by SJVN. I just don't like that guy for some reason and that article made me fume...hmmmph. | Nov 14 00:24 |
wallc | >:-( | Nov 14 00:24 |
fewa | see if the law is still alive | Nov 14 00:25 |
fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/13/acorn | Nov 14 00:25 |
_Hicham_ | there is no law | Nov 14 00:26 |
_Hicham_ | the world is a jungle | Nov 14 00:26 |
fewa | there is law | Nov 14 00:26 |
_Hicham_ | where ? | Nov 14 00:26 |
fewa | the degree to which it matters is another issue | Nov 14 00:26 |
_Hicham_ | I just see a lot of crimes all over the world | Nov 14 00:26 |
fewa | but denying its existance is just being derisive | Nov 14 00:27 |
fewa | there is a difference between law and justice | Nov 14 00:27 |
_Hicham_ | a law without justice is useless | Nov 14 00:27 |
fewa | it is none-the-less a law | Nov 14 00:27 |
_Hicham_ | a law which is corrupted | Nov 14 00:29 |
fewa | law is not corrupted | Nov 14 00:29 |
fewa | justice is | Nov 14 00:29 |
_Hicham_ | well it is | Nov 14 00:29 |
fewa | it may be corroded | Nov 14 00:29 |
fewa | but the law cannot be corrupted | Nov 14 00:29 |
_Hicham_ | justice comes from a well established law | Nov 14 00:30 |
fewa | not neccicarily | Nov 14 00:30 |
ThistleWeb | justice is about a fair law applied to the case, not swayed by any party with exceptions that dont really apply, being applied on a technicality | Nov 14 00:31 |
fewa | impartiality is a utopia | Nov 14 00:32 |
ThistleWeb | while the elite write the laws for them, it'll always be that way | Nov 14 00:32 |
_Hicham_ | law should be made by the whole nation | Nov 14 00:33 |
_Hicham_ | not just an elite | Nov 14 00:33 |
fewa | thats democracy | Nov 14 00:33 |
ThistleWeb | politicians age good at saying "well, it's in the rules", without telling peeps it was them who wrote the rules with the loopholes in place ready to exploit and stay "legal" | Nov 14 00:34 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law | Nov 14 00:35 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: 69 love songs. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/19792.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/533650.html | Nov 14 00:35 | |
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fewa | it may have been bourn in the UK, but seems to have more sway in the US | Nov 14 00:35 |
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fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Constitution-usa-thomas-paine.png | Nov 14 00:40 |
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fewa | interesting | Nov 14 00:40 |
fewa | a much more parlimentary suggestion | Nov 14 00:40 |
_Hicham_ | law was made to be violated | Nov 14 00:42 |
fewa | correction | Nov 14 00:42 |
_Hicham_ | that is what laywers say | Nov 14 00:42 |
fewa | unjust laws should be violated | Nov 14 00:42 |
fewa | you should take the much more positive view of that | Nov 14 00:43 |
_Hicham_ | fewa : do u work in a law firm ? | Nov 14 00:43 |
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fewa | well, guess i cant respond | Nov 14 00:44 |
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schestowitz | I'm back | Nov 14 00:56 |
schestowitz | http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/schirrmacher09/schirrmacher09_index.html#sp | Nov 14 00:56 |
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schestowitz | wallc: what about the SJVN article did you not like? | Nov 14 00:57 |
schestowitz | SJVN is not to be resented, he's "our guy" | Nov 14 00:57 |
schestowitz | Turns out that tiny cache files in BN led to tons of files being on it | Nov 14 00:58 |
schestowitz | My HDD backup has 100,000 files for the BN mirror | Nov 14 00:59 |
tessier | Microsoft Takes Responsibility For GPL Violation | Nov 14 01:04 |
wallc | Hi Roy, | Nov 14 01:04 |
tessier | Nice to see them do the right thing. | Nov 14 01:04 |
tessier | Not like they had much choice though, being caught red-handed. | Nov 14 01:04 |
wallc | I have never thought sjvn was an "our guy" type. | Nov 14 01:04 |
schestowitz | tessier: any URL yet? | Nov 14 01:04 |
schestowitz | wallc: he is | Nov 14 01:04 |
tessier | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/11/13/2311232 | Nov 14 01:04 |
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wallc | why do you say he is? | Nov 14 01:05 |
tessier | Link to a blog post from MS there | Nov 14 01:05 |
schestowitz | He's under pressure to be balanced | Nov 14 01:05 |
wallc | phht | Nov 14 01:05 |
schestowitz | wallc: I've read him for years and known how he feels on stuff | Nov 14 01:05 |
schestowitz | I should probably read his latest though | Nov 14 01:05 |
wallc | i've read him for years too...he's a wuss | Nov 14 01:05 |
schestowitz | I read just pasge 1 on Corel | Nov 14 01:05 |
schestowitz | wallc: what about Groklaw? | Nov 14 01:06 |
wallc | there's never been any doubt where PJ and Groklaw stands on things. | Nov 14 01:06 |
schestowitz | Yuck | Nov 14 01:06 |
schestowitz | Galli | Nov 14 01:06 |
wallc | SVJN, not so much, | Nov 14 01:06 |
schestowitz | He's their former shill | Nov 14 01:06 |
schestowitz | Now he does PR for them | Nov 14 01:06 |
schestowitz | In /. | Nov 14 01:06 |
tessier | Bruce Perens commented on /. | Nov 14 01:07 |
tessier | on the GPL/MS thing | Nov 14 01:07 |
tessier | He makes a good point: "And this really serves their purpose if they are trying to scare people away from the GPL. "Microsoft forced to give up source code."And this really serves their purpose if they are trying to scare people away from the GPL. "Microsoft forced to give up source code."" | Nov 14 01:07 |
tessier | oops, double pasted | Nov 14 01:07 |
schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1443402&cid=30093582 | Nov 14 01:07 |
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tessier | I have people on the local LUG mailing list railing against the GPL | Nov 14 01:07 |
tessier | Saying it forces companies to open up their code so any smart company will stay far away from it | Nov 14 01:07 |
tessier | Which is crazy and untrue. But it's an easy FUD to spin. | Nov 14 01:08 |
schestowitz | Yes, I heard such stuff | Nov 14 01:08 |
tessier | MS could have just rewritten the code themselves or withdrawn software altogether. They didn't have to release the code. | Nov 14 01:08 |
schestowitz | tessier: but they didn't stage it | Nov 14 01:08 |
fewa | my local LUG has people afraid of the law | Nov 14 01:09 |
tessier | law? | Nov 14 01:09 |
tessier | law where? | Nov 14 01:09 |
fewa | afraid of doing things that clearly are meant to be | Nov 14 01:09 |
fewa | the DMCA | Nov 14 01:09 |
fewa | etc | Nov 14 01:09 |
fewa | they dont understand it either | Nov 14 01:09 |
fewa | "Delusions of grandeur prevent honest discussion of problems" | Nov 14 01:11 |
fewa | good cop bad cop | Nov 14 01:11 |
schestowitz | tessier: I'll sum up these thoughts tomorrow, it has helped a lot | Nov 14 01:11 |
tessier | They say the GPL is like a gift with strings attached. They prefer 3 clause BSD | Nov 14 01:12 |
tessier | And they love to say it is "viral" | Nov 14 01:13 |
fewa | the first step is understanding what the law says | Nov 14 01:13 |
fewa | the second step is understand why the law is what it is | Nov 14 01:13 |
fewa | the third step is to understand what differn't parties aspire the law to be, and how they view it | Nov 14 01:13 |
tessier | 1. Understand what the law says. 2. Understand why the law is what it is. 3. PROFIT!!! | Nov 14 01:13 |
fewa | and the final step is to accept of reject the law | Nov 14 01:14 |
fewa | well, i guess the final step is to take action | Nov 14 01:14 |
fewa | its much more a collective decision than a individual one | Nov 14 01:14 |
fewa | that is what democracy is all about | Nov 14 01:14 |
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fewa | attempts to obfusciate the law in order to secure job security, business models, opression, etc must all be unraveled | Nov 14 01:15 |
schestowitz | I wrote 4 posts that mentioned this GPL violation | Nov 14 01:16 |
schestowitz | tessier: Microsoft.com has some toxic docs on the GPL | Nov 14 01:17 |
schestowitz | It means the GPL is effective against them, that's all | Nov 14 01:17 |
schestowitz | Devs understsnd it, so the majority of s/w is licensed under the GPL | Nov 14 01:17 |
_Hicham_ | GPL is effective of course | Nov 14 01:17 |
_Hicham_ | having proprietary code doesn't mean no one can see it | Nov 14 01:17 |
schestowitz | wallc: I think that SJVN just pulls people's leg sometimes. | Nov 14 01:20 |
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schestowitz | Flip-flopping on issues is sign of trolling | Nov 14 01:21 |
Will | schestowitz: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/13/2311232/Microsoft-Takes-Responsibility-For-GPL-Violation?art_pos=2 | Nov 14 01:21 |
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schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091112185919561 another one bites dust | Nov 14 01:22 |
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schestowitz | Will: we were just discussing it | Nov 14 01:22 |
schestowitz | Will: http://pastebin.com/m4b7c9707 | Nov 14 01:23 |
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schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/11/cancer-new-york-rescuers "9/11's delayed legacy: cancer for many of the rescue workers " | Nov 14 01:25 |
fewa | "responsibility" | Nov 14 01:27 |
fewa | should be responsibility* | Nov 14 01:27 |
fewa | *due to legal liability | Nov 14 01:28 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u like the GPL ? | Nov 14 01:29 |
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schestowitz | It's a sacret | Nov 14 01:32 |
schestowitz | *secret | Nov 14 01:32 |
Will | oh, btw, I finally settled on Ubuntu/Kubuntu 9.10. KDE 4.3 is really nice, but Kubuntu still could use just a bit more polish. | Nov 14 01:32 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL_%28disambiguation%29 | Nov 14 01:32 |
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schestowitz | Will: hereabouts? | Nov 14 01:33 |
Will | one sec. I 'll get the link to the bug report | Nov 14 01:35 |
wallc | sorry, i missed seeing your comment...yes i think sjvn just likes to toss kindling on the fires, it gets people riled and gets a lot of hits for his articles. in fact i think that's really all he cares about. | Nov 14 01:36 |
Will | schestowitz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8305355 | Nov 14 01:38 |
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Will | I'm not sure if that's the exact bug I ran into, but it sounds like it. Tried to install from a Kubuntu disc. LiveCD booted fine, install went fine. On first boot up, the KDE login icons phased in, then it dumped me to a black screen. | Nov 14 01:39 |
Will | I was using kdm at the time, obviously. | Nov 14 01:39 |
Will | Reinstalled Ubuntu. Then installed kubuntu-desktop on top of it, using gdm. No problems that time. | Nov 14 01:40 |
Will | Although the boot sequence now displays an odd mismash of Kubuntu/Ubuntu branding. A side-effect of Ubuntu using xsplash while Kubutnu does not, I suppose. | Nov 14 01:40 |
schestowitz | For polished kde you should use Mandriva really | Nov 14 01:42 |
schestowitz | But kubuntu is OK too, so far. | Nov 14 01:42 |
Will | schestowitz: agreed. Mandriva was nice. But Ubuntu got me addicted to the Debian packaging system. | Nov 14 01:43 |
Will | I'm guessing I'll probably see how Linux Mint 9 KDE turns out in a few months. | Nov 14 01:44 |
wallc | I just downloaded Mint this afternoon...i may try it out this weekend. | Nov 14 01:44 |
Will | All that said, KDE 4 has eye candy in spades. It even makes emacs look cooler! ;) | Nov 14 01:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] NEWS ROUNDUP 13/11/09 http://tinyurl.com/yh25856 #microsoft #windows #linux #google #foss | Nov 14 01:45 | |
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_goblin | will: KDE 4 even convinced me to make the move from Gnome finally. | Nov 14 01:48 |
schestowitz | Will: I might move to Mandriva soon, but I'm feeling lazy | Nov 14 01:49 |
Will | _goblin: I was meaning to ask you: had you looked at Mandriva when you did your Kubuntu review? Those are basically _the_ KDE distros these days. | Nov 14 01:58 |
Will | schestowitz: The only reason I took Mandriva off and replaced it with Kubuntu was because Mandriva was missing some packages in its database that I'd rather not compile by hand. | Nov 14 01:59 |
_Hicham_ | Will : what packages ? | Nov 14 02:02 |
Will | lapack, for one | Nov 14 02:03 |
Will | I didn't see any for the 2010 release yet, and I needed to get the computer up to speed quickly. | Nov 14 02:04 |
schestowitz | Microsoft would love that... (MOG) http://java.sys-con.com/node/1186064 | Nov 14 02:05 |
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_goblin | will: Yes...although I didn't spend as much time with it as Kubuntu... | Nov 14 02:09 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Microsoft to release windows 7 upload tool under GPL: http://tinyurl.com/yfax4ex !linux oh what happened to IP cancer ? | Nov 14 02:11 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Google Chrome OS to Launch within a Week?? http://tinyurl.com/yh25856 #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #foss #windows7 Microsofts Friday 13th? | Nov 14 02:12 | |
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Will | ironic: "Novell, a company inducted into open source by a loan from IBM that enabled it to buy SUSE - IBM was afraid Red Hat would turn into another Microsoft - and whose open source credentials have been tarnished by its financially dependent relationship on Microsoft." | Nov 14 02:12 |
_Hicham_ | Will : what is this lapack package ? | Nov 14 02:13 |
Will | Hicham: linear algebra library. | Nov 14 02:13 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: they found a 'tumor' in VIsta 7 | Nov 14 02:13 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: yeah! | Nov 14 02:14 |
zer0c00l | hahaha | Nov 14 02:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Whats wrong with @adacosta recently? Why so many unprovoked anti-foss/linux posts?Is he worried about something? #microsoft #linux #windows | Nov 14 02:14 | |
_Hicham_ | Will : http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=lapack&submit=Search+...&system=mandriva&arch= | Nov 14 02:14 |
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schestowitz | Will: so what does that do, flat curves in tuxpaint (dep)? j/k | Nov 14 02:15 |
_Hicham_ | Will : it is available in Mandriva since a long time | Nov 14 02:15 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: I say "shoot the bastard" (Vista 7) | Nov 14 02:15 |
_Hicham_ | Vista 7 is doing great | Nov 14 02:16 |
_Hicham_ | it is getting marketed all over the world | Nov 14 02:16 |
schestowitz | RMS gets to walk BillG on a leash for a year for violating GPL law :-) | Nov 14 02:16 |
zer0c00l | :) | Nov 14 02:16 |
_Hicham_ | maybe it is Miguel who suggested that code | Nov 14 02:16 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: it doesn't do well | Nov 14 02:16 |
schestowitz | Ok, gn | Nov 14 02:17 |
_Hicham_ | ISPs don't provide technical assistance for Linux computers and Vista 7 | Nov 14 02:17 |
_Hicham_ | gn | Nov 14 02:17 |
_Hicham_ | Will : how comes u didn't find that package on Mandriva ? | Nov 14 02:18 |
zer0c00l | tumor sounds great! | Nov 14 02:19 |
Will | Hicham: admittedly, I didn't look very hard. It's been years since I've used an RPM distro, and I was basically looking only in the base repos | Nov 14 02:20 |
_Hicham_ | Will : it is available in the base repo | Nov 14 02:21 |
Will | hmmm.. Maybe I should give Mandriva a second look then. | Nov 14 02:22 |
_Hicham_ | I thought u were talking about some proprietary packages | Nov 14 02:23 |
_Hicham_ | even, there Mandriva has more proprietary packages | Nov 14 02:24 |
Will | gotta go for now. I'll look into Mandriva once more. | Nov 14 02:28 |
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_Hicham_ | the channel is sleepy | Nov 14 02:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Winds really howling outside.....bad weather alert! | Nov 14 02:28 | |
zer0c00l | _Hicham_: Good morning | Nov 14 02:29 |
_goblin | and thats me done.....didn't finish work until 12.............. | Nov 14 02:29 |
_goblin | gn all | Nov 14 02:29 |
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_Hicham_ | zer0c00l : where are u from ? | Nov 14 02:30 |
zer0c00l | _Hicham_: India | Nov 14 02:30 |
_Hicham_ | zer0c00l : ah, the land of Fedora lovers | Nov 14 02:31 |
zer0c00l | _Hicham_: yup, India is the third largest contributor to fedoraproject | Nov 14 02:31 |
zer0c00l | :P | Nov 14 02:31 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Presto reduced the updates to 6.9 M from 93 M which is a 93% savings." God bless presto !linux !fedora | Nov 14 02:31 | |
zer0c00l | I am looking for some firefox identi.ca plugins | Nov 14 02:32 |
zer0c00l | Any idea | Nov 14 02:32 |
_Hicham_ | zer0c00l : no | Nov 14 02:32 |
zer0c00l | identifox is not good | Nov 14 02:32 |
_Hicham_ | I just compiled a the new firefox 3.6b2 | Nov 14 02:32 |
_Hicham_ | but yelp fails to use the new gecko | Nov 14 02:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, thats me done. Im off to bed...... | Nov 14 02:33 | |
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fewa | Is there any good place to get basic science numbers? | Nov 14 03:06 |
fewa | google is almost entire useless | Nov 14 03:07 |
fewa | like area of ocean | Nov 14 03:07 |
fewa | wikipedia... | Nov 14 03:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] EFF Launched Copyright Watch Initiative tp Monitor worldwide Copyright laws http://tr.im/EVq6 | Nov 14 03:35 | |
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tessier | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=earth+ocean+surface+area&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | Nov 14 05:07 |
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tessier | fewa: google works well for me in answering that question | Nov 14 05:07 |
shreddar | Term paper? | Nov 14 05:08 |
shreddar | Here's a funny dilbert comic: | Nov 14 05:23 |
shreddar | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-07-01/ | Nov 14 05:23 |
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ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 05:27 |
oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzcwNQ << start of the hardware disconnect. | Nov 14 05:36 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, The financial assistance something or other at the hospital called me and asked why I wouldn't print out my account info from the library terminals | Nov 14 05:46 |
DaemonFC | sounded suspicious of me | Nov 14 05:46 |
DaemonFC | I told her that the closest analogy I could come up with to logging into my bank on a public terminal running Windows would be like having unprotected sex in Africa, only involving my identity | Nov 14 05:48 |
oiaohm | The problem of truly knowning secuiryt. | Nov 14 05:49 |
oiaohm | Lot of people don't understand you. | Nov 14 05:49 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, The only computer I log into my bank with is mine | Nov 14 05:50 |
DaemonFC | cause it's the only one I can be reasonably sure I can trust | Nov 14 05:50 |
DaemonFC | especially when we're talking about Windows, cause most other peoples Windows systems are crawling with bad things | Nov 14 05:50 |
DaemonFC | most Windows malware actually isn't exploiting the operating system at all, I've found | Nov 14 05:51 |
shreddar | DaemonFC, how did your hospital respond? | Nov 14 05:51 |
DaemonFC | more than 90% of it I'd estimate is fooling the user | Nov 14 05:51 |
DaemonFC | or offering them a trinket like a screensaver to piggyback a trojan in on | Nov 14 05:51 |
DaemonFC | shreddar, I had a conversation with her, and I had sent in a statement from my ATM (less info than they wanted) | Nov 14 05:52 |
DaemonFC | so finally she decided to accept it | Nov 14 05:52 |
DaemonFC | I don't really trust Windows on my own PC. Why should I trust it on someone elses? | Nov 14 05:53 |
DaemonFC | I have no idea what could be on that | Nov 14 05:53 |
DaemonFC | it's like licking a public toilet seat | Nov 14 05:54 |
DaemonFC | nothing good is going to come from that | Nov 14 05:54 |
cubezzz | they say the rats with the best immune systems come from the sewer :) | Nov 14 05:57 |
DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10397759-83.html | Nov 14 06:09 |
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DaemonFC | Port nuking is back | Nov 14 06:09 |
DaemonFC | yay! | Nov 14 06:09 |
DaemonFC | reminds me of that infamous Windows 95/NT 4 bug | Nov 14 06:10 |
DaemonFC | the more things change, the more they stay the same | Nov 14 06:10 |
oiaohm | That infamous bug in 95 started in BSD DaemonFC | Nov 14 06:12 |
oiaohm | It was the first case of everyone screwed by the same thing. | Nov 14 06:12 |
oiaohm | Of course MS was last to fix. | Nov 14 06:12 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, Microsoft copy/pasting code | Nov 14 06:12 |
DaemonFC | and the users got burned | Nov 14 06:12 |
oiaohm | No exactly. | Nov 14 06:12 |
oiaohm | copy pasted then managled. | Nov 14 06:12 |
ender2070 | they only copy paste code if its gpl | Nov 14 06:13 |
oiaohm | So they could not copy paste in the correction. | Nov 14 06:13 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, I'm not real happy with the state of FGLRX | Nov 14 06:13 |
DaemonFC | it's good enough to use, and better than it was last year | Nov 14 06:13 |
DaemonFC | but it's still got a lot of glitches | Nov 14 06:13 |
DaemonFC | but at least AMD seems to be gutting the halfassed driver ATI had put out before the acquisition | Nov 14 06:14 |
DaemonFC | I couldn't get it installed in OpenSuse 11.2 at all | Nov 14 06:14 |
oiaohm | Mostly because AMD is systemmatically planing to kill most of FGLRX. | Nov 14 06:15 |
ender2070 | i dont like AMD anymore | Nov 14 06:15 |
oiaohm | DRI2 core and galuim3d will replace most of it. | Nov 14 06:15 |
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oiaohm | AMD is not the worst ender2070 | Nov 14 06:15 |
oiaohm | Try getting specs out of Nvidia. ender2070 | Nov 14 06:16 |
ender2070 | true but nvidia cards at least work better | Nov 14 06:16 |
oiaohm | Define better ender2070 | Nov 14 06:17 |
oiaohm | If you class better being designed in such a way they can kernel panic the OS is fine. | Nov 14 06:17 |
ender2070 | better = higher frame rate, drivers that work on most kernels | Nov 14 06:18 |
oiaohm | So you don't care about lost stablitity. | Nov 14 06:18 |
ender2070 | i get more stability | Nov 14 06:18 |
ender2070 | nvidia hardware itself is more stable | Nov 14 06:19 |
oiaohm | Again a myth ender2070 | Nov 14 06:19 |
ender2070 | experience | Nov 14 06:19 |
oiaohm | Its a myth. Stablity issues of ATI on Linux and Windows are mostly driver linked with a few rare hardware problems. | Nov 14 06:20 |
ender2070 | ati != nvidia | Nov 14 06:20 |
oiaohm | Neither ATI or Intel by passed the X11 stack. | Nov 14 06:21 |
oiaohm | So both caught the stablity problems of the X11 stack. | Nov 14 06:21 |
ender2070 | i'd like you to prove how logically my system is more stable on nouveu running @ 70C+ vs my binary blob which runs the fans when it should and keeps it under 60C | Nov 14 06:21 |
oiaohm | DRI 2 and KMS sees thoses stablity problems gone. | Nov 14 06:21 |
oiaohm | nouveu is a incomplete driver ender2070 | Nov 14 06:22 |
oiaohm | it has no powermanagement. | Nov 14 06:22 |
ender2070 | correct | Nov 14 06:22 |
ender2070 | its fine on the desktop | Nov 14 06:23 |
oiaohm | No its not. `10 dec hotter cuts life of card quite a bit. | Nov 14 06:23 |
ender2070 | my desktop doesnt have temp issues | Nov 14 06:23 |
ender2070 | fans dont get turned down or off | Nov 14 06:23 |
oiaohm | On adverage unless you bipass the fans locking them on full. | Nov 14 06:24 |
oiaohm | It will be constantally 10 c hotter. | Nov 14 06:24 |
oiaohm | Even with fans on its still 4 c hotter ender2070 | Nov 14 06:24 |
oiaohm | Due to in chip power management not working. | Nov 14 06:24 |
ender2070 | oh i agree | Nov 14 06:25 |
ender2070 | im just not as concerned | Nov 14 06:25 |
oiaohm | You can see the stablity differnce using the correct frameworks. | Nov 14 06:25 |
ender2070 | my notebook needs the fan on | Nov 14 06:25 |
ender2070 | or it will melt | Nov 14 06:25 |
oiaohm | Of course running hotter causes processing glitches. | Nov 14 06:26 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 14 06:26 |
ender2070 | i guess some of my bias comes from my friend who owned ati | Nov 14 06:26 |
oiaohm | The funny thing with ATI open source drivers run colder than the closed soruce ones. | Nov 14 06:26 |
ender2070 | he always seemed to be behind in distros and kernels because his drivers forced him to be behind | Nov 14 06:26 |
oiaohm | A redhat coder was better at designing power management than the ATI programmers ender2070 | Nov 14 06:27 |
oiaohm | ATi drivers have been poorly maintained. | Nov 14 06:28 |
ender2070 | yes | Nov 14 06:28 |
oiaohm | Its not exactly hardware issues. | Nov 14 06:28 |
ender2070 | nvidia was beating them at closed drivers on linux | Nov 14 06:28 |
ender2070 | still are, at closed drivers | Nov 14 06:28 |
oiaohm | If ATI hardware was not as solid as what it was it would have been killed by its poor drivers. | Nov 14 06:29 |
oiaohm | Best glitch I ever found in ati was shutting card down due to too much heat. In process turning off on card cooling fan. | Nov 14 06:29 |
oiaohm | Before turing off GPU. | Nov 14 06:30 |
ender2070 | the technology in ATI cards should be pushing higher numbers than what they are producing now, i'd still blame their bad drivers | Nov 14 06:30 |
oiaohm | On Linux is a mixed problem. | Nov 14 06:30 |
oiaohm | Nvidia bipassed the trouble making DRI1 stack. | Nov 14 06:31 |
oiaohm | ATI and Intel did not. | Nov 14 06:31 |
oiaohm | So they have taken massive performance hits and stablity hits there. | Nov 14 06:31 |
oiaohm | Then add in poor quality drivers you have a perfect storm of hell. | Nov 14 06:31 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 14 06:32 |
oiaohm | galluim3d vmware backed combind with KMS and DRI2 should see intel and ati back on more of a fair compete footing. | Nov 14 06:32 |
oiaohm | So far Nvidia has not agreed to provide KMS what is kind criticial to system stablity. | Nov 14 06:33 |
ender2070 | huh | Nov 14 06:33 |
ender2070 | KMS is for flicker free starts | Nov 14 06:33 |
oiaohm | KMS also displays kernel panics. | Nov 14 06:34 |
oiaohm | In case they happen. | Nov 14 06:34 |
oiaohm | Also allows X11 server not to require root user. | Nov 14 06:34 |
ender2070 | ahh | Nov 14 06:34 |
oiaohm | And allows more than 1 X11 server to be run side by side. | Nov 14 06:34 |
oiaohm | On the same card. | Nov 14 06:35 |
ender2070 | the latter could be done before | Nov 14 06:35 |
ender2070 | very tricky | Nov 14 06:35 |
oiaohm | without the switching vt to vt crash at random times ender2070? | Nov 14 06:35 |
ender2070 | i never heard of that | Nov 14 06:36 |
oiaohm | You cannot do it stable without KMS ender2070 | Nov 14 06:36 |
ender2070 | the guy I know who did it ran LFS | Nov 14 06:36 |
oiaohm | Without KMS when you do a vt switch both programs have to try to negiated a change over of control in userspace. | Nov 14 06:36 |
oiaohm | Get it wrong system dead. | Nov 14 06:36 |
oiaohm | Ie display scrambled made unreadable no way back. | Nov 14 06:37 |
oiaohm | KMS is a critical fix ender2070 | Nov 14 06:37 |
ender2070 | if your right yes | Nov 14 06:39 |
ender2070 | stuff i read didnt sensationalize it so much | Nov 14 06:39 |
oiaohm | vga arbortor also comming makes it even more messy. Allowing mult vesa cards to be used side by side in Linux. So ATI Nvidia and intel card in one system will become possiable. The way Nvidia over rides the stack in binary driver will become problem. | Nov 14 06:39 |
oiaohm | I have suffered from the vt switch fault from time to time ender2070 | Nov 14 06:40 |
ender2070 | i guess kms made it necessary to remove ctrl alt backspace | Nov 14 06:40 |
oiaohm | No ctrl alt backspace was depreacted by SAK a long time ago. | Nov 14 06:41 |
ender2070 | its been gone for about a year now | Nov 14 06:41 |
ender2070 | i always re enable it | Nov 14 06:41 |
oiaohm | But due to the change over handling needing X11 server to do it ctrl alt backspace had to remian. | Nov 14 06:41 |
oiaohm | Do you know what SAK is ender2070 | Nov 14 06:41 |
ender2070 | no | Nov 14 06:41 |
oiaohm | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/SAK.txt | Nov 14 06:42 |
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oiaohm | Mr Kernel level sledge hammer. | Nov 14 06:42 |
oiaohm | Annything connected to the current vt when pressed the kernel will terminate. | Nov 14 06:42 |
oiaohm | No dependance on X11 server being functional in userspace. | Nov 14 06:43 |
ender2070 | ohh? | Nov 14 06:43 |
oiaohm | Basically cntrl-alt-backspace on overdrive. | Nov 14 06:44 |
oiaohm | for it to work perfectly safe you need KMS as well ender2070 | Nov 14 06:44 |
oiaohm | SAK is also a secuirty thing to prevent fake login screens. | Nov 14 06:44 |
ender2070 | that can be handy | Nov 14 06:45 |
ender2070 | for some | Nov 14 06:45 |
oiaohm | Yet cannot work safe with Nvidia binary drivers. | Nov 14 06:45 |
oiaohm | They are becoming a big pain in ass. | Nov 14 06:45 |
ender2070 | it'll work | Nov 14 06:45 |
ender2070 | they'll make it work | Nov 14 06:46 |
oiaohm | They have not yet. | Nov 14 06:46 |
ender2070 | they hardly have a choice | Nov 14 06:46 |
ender2070 | its just a matter of time | Nov 14 06:46 |
oiaohm | Do you know when SAK was introduced. | Nov 14 06:46 |
ender2070 | recently | Nov 14 06:46 |
oiaohm | Over 10 years ago ender2070 | Nov 14 06:46 |
oiaohm | Its not a recently added feature. | Nov 14 06:47 |
oiaohm | This is why I have problems when people say Nvidia drivers work. | Nov 14 06:47 |
oiaohm | They partly work. | Nov 14 06:47 |
oiaohm | Lot of useful things don't work with them. | Nov 14 06:47 |
ender2070 | well when people say work | Nov 14 06:48 |
ender2070 | they mean they run games at decent framerates | Nov 14 06:48 |
oiaohm | I work from secuirty side. | Nov 14 06:48 |
ender2070 | its great if ATI supports KMS, but cant run quake 3 faster than 4 fps | Nov 14 06:48 |
oiaohm | Nvidia forcing X11 to be run as root is not tolleratable. | Nov 14 06:48 |
oiaohm | ATI runs quake3 quite well. | Nov 14 06:49 |
ender2070 | exaggerated example | Nov 14 06:49 |
ender2070 | try wow in wine w/ ati | Nov 14 06:49 |
oiaohm | I am about business usage not gaming ender2070 | Nov 14 06:49 |
oiaohm | Ie it works for one group. | Nov 14 06:49 |
oiaohm | People not needing secuirty done right. | Nov 14 06:50 |
ender2070 | if gaming isnt a requirement | Nov 14 06:50 |
ender2070 | then ati and nvidia should both be talked down | Nov 14 06:50 |
oiaohm | Intel ATI/AMD VIA are all working on providing the business need. | Nov 14 06:51 |
ender2070 | example | Nov 14 06:51 |
fewa | intel GMA works fine | Nov 14 06:51 |
ender2070 | my next laptop is gonna have intel graphics | Nov 14 06:51 |
ender2070 | if i can help it | Nov 14 06:51 |
oiaohm | intel has kms and dri2 so can be run with X11 server as a normal user. | Nov 14 06:51 |
oiaohm | Nice secuirty improvement. | Nov 14 06:51 |
ender2070 | that all makes sense | Nov 14 06:52 |
oiaohm | Can switch to a terminal away from a locked up X11 server as well. | Nov 14 06:52 |
oiaohm | Due to KMS as well. | Nov 14 06:52 |
oiaohm | Now I hope X11 application transfer between servers gets brought back in future. | Nov 14 06:53 |
oiaohm | Ie server locks up pull its applications off it and keep on going. | Nov 14 06:53 |
ender2070 | that would be cool | Nov 14 06:55 |
oiaohm | ender2070: recently intel in mesa found how to speed up gpu instruction convertion to card by over 100 percent. | Nov 14 06:55 |
oiaohm | The stack Intel and ATI have been using is messy. | Nov 14 06:56 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 14 06:56 |
oiaohm | Lot of cool things depend on KMS ender2070. Without KMS its not worth using some of those cool things. | Nov 14 06:56 |
ender2070 | intel is doing a better job these days | Nov 14 06:56 |
oiaohm | between vmware intel amd and via we are going to get a good video stack. | Nov 14 06:57 |
oiaohm | Just wish Nvidia would come onboard. | Nov 14 06:58 |
ender2070 | which is odd | Nov 14 06:58 |
ender2070 | cause before | Nov 14 06:58 |
oiaohm | Not really ender2070 | Nov 14 06:58 |
oiaohm | You are aware Nvidia back stabed the first project to clean up the X11 stack. | Nov 14 06:58 |
oiaohm | Causing its death. | Nov 14 06:58 |
ender2070 | nvidia were the only people with a decent driver that worked, up until KMS was thought up | Nov 14 06:58 |
oiaohm | Nvidia did not design that tech ender2070 | Nov 14 06:58 |
ender2070 | what project | Nov 14 06:58 |
ender2070 | cause until now, from my experience intel, amd and via had half assed linux drivers | Nov 14 06:59 |
oiaohm | http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net/ | Nov 14 07:00 |
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ender2070 | and it seems to have flipped the other way | Nov 14 07:00 |
oiaohm | Matrix and voodoo started that off ender2070 | Nov 14 07:00 |
ender2070 | matrox -1 | Nov 14 07:01 |
ender2070 | voodoo got bought by nvidia | Nov 14 07:01 |
oiaohm | Both did know how to design stacks. | Nov 14 07:01 |
oiaohm | Note before Nvidia bought voodoo ender2070 | Nov 14 07:01 |
oiaohm | Nvidia aquired voodoo and walked away from the tech sharing table. | Nov 14 07:01 |
ender2070 | voodoo had good designs but bad implementation | Nov 14 07:02 |
ender2070 | vodoo had the first 4 gpu card | Nov 14 07:02 |
ender2070 | badass stuff | Nov 14 07:02 |
ender2070 | the thing needed power from the outlet | Nov 14 07:02 |
oiaohm | Intel has done a good job getting the other video card makers to come back to the table. | Nov 14 07:02 |
ender2070 | i agree, intel does good | Nov 14 07:03 |
oiaohm | Mostly to save there own ass. | Nov 14 07:03 |
oiaohm | But hey. | Nov 14 07:03 |
ender2070 | it all is | Nov 14 07:03 |
ender2070 | AMD is helping, to save theirs too | Nov 14 07:03 |
ender2070 | when you're going bankrupt, it makes sense to replace a driver team with volunteers | Nov 14 07:04 |
ender2070 | well, not anymore | Nov 14 07:04 |
ender2070 | intel paid amd 1.25 billion to forget about antitrust | Nov 14 07:05 |
oiaohm | Not really. | Nov 14 07:05 |
oiaohm | You look at the history of open source drivers most are not built by volunteers. | Nov 14 07:06 |
ender2070 | oiaohm - in ati's case, the volunteers are doing a better job than their 3 man team | Nov 14 07:06 |
oiaohm | Instead its really sharing resoruces between you and the companies using the device ender2070 | Nov 14 07:06 |
oiaohm | ATI case some of the developers in the team. | Nov 14 07:07 |
oiaohm | Are from IBM HP and vmware. | Nov 14 07:07 |
oiaohm | Being open source allows those companies to help you out. | Nov 14 07:07 |
ender2070 | anyone can help you out | Nov 14 07:07 |
ender2070 | i wish nvidia would do the same | Nov 14 07:08 |
oiaohm | But most of the help is not volunteers. | Nov 14 07:08 |
oiaohm | They are people payed by companies to make systems work ender2070 | Nov 14 07:08 |
ender2070 | im thinking more of the kernel | Nov 14 07:08 |
oiaohm | Last seruvey of the Linux kernel. | Nov 14 07:08 |
ender2070 | put idividuals at the top | Nov 14 07:09 |
oiaohm | Over 80 percent of the coders there are paid full time at companies to keep there systems working. | Nov 14 07:09 |
oiaohm | 5 percent are volunteers | Nov 14 07:09 |
oiaohm | other 15 percent are unknown. | Nov 14 07:09 |
ender2070 | iirc, most lines of code where from those who werent paid for it | Nov 14 07:09 |
ender2070 | linux plumbers conference | Nov 14 07:09 |
oiaohm | Nop ender2070 | Nov 14 07:10 |
ender2070 | w/ hartman | Nov 14 07:10 |
oiaohm | Most people submiting large ammounts of code get employed by someone. | Nov 14 07:10 |
oiaohm | Linux foundation has a full time staff member to see to that. | Nov 14 07:10 |
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oiaohm | Problem with people submiting lots of code and not being pained. | Nov 14 07:11 |
oiaohm | payed. | Nov 14 07:11 |
oiaohm | Is the food factor ender2070 | Nov 14 07:11 |
oiaohm | They need money for food so they cannot put large ammount time into maintaining it without cash. | Nov 14 07:12 |
ender2070 | obviously | Nov 14 07:12 |
oiaohm | So Linux foundation trys to keep the numbers of high submiters without jobs to maintain Linux low. | Nov 14 07:13 |
ender2070 | in some cases i'd prefer the volunteer because he likes his job vs the guy who is only doing it for a cheque | Nov 14 07:13 |
ender2070 | but that isnt normal for open source/free software | Nov 14 07:13 |
oiaohm | Most of the open soruce world is doing it to make money somewhere. | Nov 14 07:13 |
oiaohm | Or with the hope of making money at least. | Nov 14 07:13 |
ender2070 | nothing wrong with making money | Nov 14 07:14 |
ender2070 | im merely siding with the motivated individual | Nov 14 07:14 |
oiaohm | Paid coders also normally do the jobs no one would volunteer to do. | Nov 14 07:15 |
ender2070 | im watching the kernel contributions video with greg, lol he said nvidia contributes more kernel patches than canonical | Nov 14 07:15 |
ender2070 | oiaohm - good point | Nov 14 07:15 |
oiaohm | Paid coders are a critical part of Open sources operation. | Nov 14 07:15 |
ender2070 | i forgot theres some stuff people never want to do | Nov 14 07:16 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 07:16 |
oiaohm | Like cleaning out BKL | Nov 14 07:16 |
oiaohm | No one wanted to do that. | Nov 14 07:16 |
ender2070 | BKL? | Nov 14 07:17 |
oiaohm | Big kernel lock the most abused kernel lock in Linux ender2070 | Nov 14 07:18 |
ender2070 | ahhh | Nov 14 07:18 |
ender2070 | a lot of people dont want to do documentation either | Nov 14 07:18 |
ender2070 | google pays for a lot of that | Nov 14 07:18 |
oiaohm | And IBM ender2070 | Nov 14 07:18 |
ender2070 | yes | Nov 14 07:18 |
ender2070 | im wondering what things would be like if xfree86 wasn't forked when it was | Nov 14 07:20 |
ender2070 | my arguement really applied to situations like pidgin vs digsby tho | Nov 14 07:20 |
oiaohm | Still a mess ender2070 | Nov 14 07:21 |
oiaohm | The becomes a point when fork is the only way forward to test out ideas. | Nov 14 07:21 |
oiaohm | the/there | Nov 14 07:21 |
ender2070 | yes | Nov 14 07:21 |
oiaohm | Of course over forking is bad. | Nov 14 07:22 |
oiaohm | Most thing that kills of forks is one thing. | Nov 14 07:22 |
oiaohm | Maintainer ship | Nov 14 07:22 |
oiaohm | Software does not age or die as such. | Nov 14 07:23 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 14 07:23 |
oiaohm | It becomes unmaintained and fades out of existance. | Nov 14 07:23 |
ender2070 | especially if they dont have or can't afford bandwidth | Nov 14 07:23 |
oiaohm | Not really there are a lot of free hosting sites out there ender2070 | Nov 14 07:24 |
ender2070 | oiaohm - nothing that will host a 700mb iso for ya | Nov 14 07:24 |
oiaohm | Not true ender2070 | Nov 14 07:25 |
ender2070 | oh really? | Nov 14 07:25 |
oiaohm | There are quite a few different locations for open source projects that will host upto 1 tb if you can provide viablity of project. | Nov 14 07:26 |
ender2070 | i was thinking of copying chicken little | Nov 14 07:26 |
ender2070 | making it less offensive | Nov 14 07:26 |
oiaohm | Basically if they use it they provide you with free hosting. | Nov 14 07:27 |
ender2070 | sure its mono-less, but its insult you with its name and wallpaper | Nov 14 07:27 |
ender2070 | hmm | Nov 14 07:27 |
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MikeyC | Hey Roy it's mike, i will be at the gym for 9.30 | Nov 14 08:02 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upMtEJSj9NA | Nov 14 08:04 |
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Diablo-D3 | james bond on an acid trip | Nov 14 08:04 |
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cubezzz | I'll guess it's The Prisoner | Nov 14 08:14 |
cubezzz | huh, not available in my country | Nov 14 08:17 |
cubezzz | oh wait js was off :) | Nov 14 08:18 |
cubezzz | Iet's try that again | Nov 14 08:18 |
Diablo-D3 | no, it really is james bond, cubezzz | Nov 14 08:18 |
Diablo-D3 | the 1967 version of casino royale | Nov 14 08:18 |
Diablo-D3 | the full thing, for free | Nov 14 08:18 |
cubezzz | well still 60's | Nov 14 08:18 |
Diablo-D3 | and the more I watch it, the worse it gets | Nov 14 08:18 |
cubezzz | no, still not available oh well :) | Nov 14 08:19 |
cubezzz | James Bond... hrmmm | Nov 14 08:19 |
cubezzz | James Bond was pretty silly | Nov 14 08:20 |
Diablo-D3 | its a parody, yet is james bond | Nov 14 08:20 |
Diablo-D3 | it makes no sense | Nov 14 08:20 |
cubezzz | that's not the one with George Lazerby? | Nov 14 08:21 |
cubezzz | Lazenby | Nov 14 08:21 |
cubezzz | no, not George | Nov 14 08:21 |
cubezzz | Niven? | Nov 14 08:21 |
Diablo-D3 | niven | Nov 14 08:21 |
cubezzz | aha | Nov 14 08:21 |
Diablo-D3 | plus peter sellers, orson welles, woody allen, and a bunch of other people | Nov 14 08:22 |
cubezzz | well Sellers yeah :) | Nov 14 08:22 |
cubezzz | that's basically a comedy | Nov 14 08:22 |
Diablo-D3 | its worse than a comedy | Nov 14 08:22 |
Diablo-D3 | comedies usually make sense | Nov 14 08:22 |
Diablo-D3 | this is just... its just.... I have no clue | Nov 14 08:22 |
Diablo-D3 | imagine austin powers, but actually in the 60s, and with intravenous acid. | Nov 14 08:23 |
Diablo-D3 | that doesnt even begin to cover it | Nov 14 08:23 |
cubezzz | a lot of the time I like 60's stuff | Nov 14 08:23 |
cubezzz | Star Trek, Bewitched, Gilligan's Island | Nov 14 08:24 |
cubezzz | although I admit GI was extremely dumb :) | Nov 14 08:24 |
cubezzz | 60's just wasn't that serious | Nov 14 08:25 |
Diablo-D3 | yeah, really, on an island with hot women and they did noooottthiinnngg? | Nov 14 08:25 |
cubezzz | but I'm barely old enough to remember the 60's | Nov 14 08:25 |
Diablo-D3 | dude, Im barely old enough to remember the 80s | Nov 14 08:25 |
Diablo-D3 | the 60s is like another planet to me | Nov 14 08:25 |
cubezzz | Gilligan and Mary Ann smoked weed :) | Nov 14 08:25 |
cubezzz | no home computers in the 60's though | Nov 14 08:26 |
cubezzz | the 80's I remember clearly | Nov 14 08:27 |
cubezzz | just imagine being a computer guy in the _40's_ | Nov 14 08:28 |
cubezzz | no one would have any idea what you did for a living | Nov 14 08:28 |
cubezzz | old people in the 60's could remember the Victorian Age | Nov 14 08:29 |
cubezzz | 200 years ago -> that would be trippy | Nov 14 08:31 |
cubezzz | no electricity, no places, no trains, no cars | Nov 14 08:31 |
cubezzz | er, no planes | Nov 14 08:32 |
Diablo-D3 | heh | Nov 14 08:58 |
schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/04/rare-photos-sperm-whale-e_n_345506.html | Nov 14 09:00 |
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oiaohm | You forget weaving machines cubezzz | Nov 14 09:01 |
oiaohm | Most people don't think that punch cards come from there cubezzz | Nov 14 09:01 |
schestowitz | http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/11/11/linux-launch-party-in-mainstream-press/ | Nov 14 09:13 |
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schestowitz | http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2009-11.html#09 | Nov 14 09:16 |
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cubezzz | yes I know about the weaving machines | Nov 14 09:20 |
oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4538&tag=wrapper;col1 Hmm selling add space on Windows 7. | Nov 14 09:23 |
oiaohm | Now this is seaming desperate. | Nov 14 09:23 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/MontaVista-acquisition-analysis/?kc=rss | Nov 14 09:35 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Menq-Easypc-E790/?kc=rss | Nov 14 09:36 |
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schestowitz | How much does V7 retail for? | Nov 14 09:36 |
oiaohm | That is going to be the fun part. | Nov 14 09:46 |
oiaohm | Machines are going to be on market for less money than a copy of windows. | Nov 14 09:46 |
oiaohm | 128 megs of ram is a little wimpy. | Nov 14 09:47 |
oiaohm | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Dell-Inspiron-Zino-HD/ Is it just me or is this a mac mini clone. | Nov 14 09:49 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: Apple was not the first w/ small PCs | Nov 14 09:49 |
schestowitz | I'm tired of every small PC being compared to a failed product from the fruity company | Nov 14 09:49 |
schestowitz | I don't like the sound of that: http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/drupal-wins-first-inaugural-packt-hall-of-fame-award-006021.php | Nov 14 09:50 |
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schestowitz | Oops. | Nov 14 09:50 |
schestowitz | I mean this: http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/11/spdy-google-wants-to-speed-up-the-web-by-ditching-http.ars | Nov 14 09:50 |
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schestowitz | Google wants to replace HTTP | Nov 14 09:50 |
oiaohm | I was meaning in shape and design schestowitz | Nov 14 09:50 |
schestowitz | I've gotta go meet a friend. bbl | Nov 14 09:50 |
oiaohm | Google want to replace http is a good idea. | Nov 14 09:51 |
oiaohm | Makes MS job harder. | Nov 14 09:51 |
oiaohm | But I see spdy with some creative making a new form of tunneling. | Nov 14 09:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Eu jtenho a ideia que fui trocado por um amigo meu... outra vez :S | Nov 14 09:59 | |
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oiaohm | http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/11/13/update-on-the-windows-7-download-tool-or-microsoft-to-open-source-the-windows-7-download-tool.aspx | Nov 14 10:05 |
oiaohm | Oboy just got what codeplex is. The bugger is a trap. You put code on there MS uses and you dispute they then pull the project because they cannot distribute it while in dispute. | Nov 14 10:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Having a quick look at Wave developers guide....then off out.. | Nov 14 10:51 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and thats me done.....about to excerise my consumer rights and make a big complaint to a company thats keeping me waiting.......later all.. | Nov 14 11:02 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @fanf http://dotat.at/:/T7ZK5 - Programming languages, operating systems, despair and anger | Nov 14 11:02 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Não se faz nada :S | Nov 14 11:14 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♻ @Caneco: Uma maneira bastante fácil de ficar cegueta logo pela manha.. http://is.gd/4UN1C | Nov 14 11:25 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sat at heathrow with @daviey waiting for our flight to Dallas. #fb | Nov 14 12:13 | |
schestowitz | Heh. They sell out to Ford... embarrassing.. http://www.twit.tv/FLOSS | Nov 14 12:22 |
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oiaohm | http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/11/13/update-on-the-windows-7-download-tool-or-microsoft-to-open-source-the-windows-7-download-tool.aspx << | Nov 14 12:24 |
oiaohm | Seen this yet schestowitz | Nov 14 12:24 |
oiaohm | Then be aware the project MS took code from has basically vaporised from codeplex | Nov 14 12:24 |
oiaohm | The question is did maker pull the code or did someone nuke the project. | Nov 14 12:25 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, post coming later | Nov 14 12:28 |
schestowitz | Everyone in this area has seen it by now | Nov 14 12:28 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: : http://pastebin.com/m4b7c9707 | Nov 14 12:29 |
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schestowitz | We had a long discussion about it in IRC | Nov 14 12:29 |
oiaohm | There is still no explain for the project vaporising off codeplex. | Nov 14 12:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Chidambaram’s Omelette: or why I’m left with a very bad taste in my mouth after swallowing ur insane ideas of development http://tr.im/EWoy | Nov 14 12:32 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Time to give up on civilisation RT @JustPlainKaro Mint anyone? http://bit.ly/3wyPBW | Nov 14 12:47 | |
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schestowitz | This is good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCPKzzGHfIQ&feature=fvw | Nov 14 12:54 |
oiaohm | Australia finding the police is half the problem. | Nov 14 12:57 |
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cubezzz | projects get abandoned all the time | Nov 14 12:59 |
oiaohm | cubezz there is a difference between abandoned and vaporising. | Nov 14 13:01 |
oiaohm | Normally abandoned projects stay around for a year or 2 withotu change before vaporising. | Nov 14 13:01 |
cubezzz | here's one case which I really disliked, but I don't think there's anything anyone can do about it: | Nov 14 13:02 |
cubezzz | Phalanx was a chess engine, it's straight C, very portable code | Nov 14 13:02 |
oiaohm | Cossin crafty cubezzz | Nov 14 13:03 |
cubezzz | someone comes along and forks (not sure if that's the right term here) it into a windows only project | Nov 14 13:03 |
cubezzz | original Phalanx programmer is no where to be seen | Nov 14 13:03 |
cubezzz | I assume that is allowed? | Nov 14 13:04 |
cubezzz | code was under GPL | Nov 14 13:04 |
oiaohm | Its allowed under GPL. | Nov 14 13:04 |
cubezzz | still seems kind of wrong | Nov 14 13:04 |
cubezzz | just my opinion :) | Nov 14 13:05 |
cubezzz | going from portable code to windows only code | Nov 14 13:05 |
oiaohm | Old Phalanx is basically dead. | Nov 14 13:06 |
oiaohm | http://www.craftychess.com/ | Nov 14 13:06 |
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oiaohm | Another C based chess engine that beats the stuffing out of it. | Nov 14 13:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Bob Marely - Buffalo Soldier" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gc0si | Nov 14 13:06 | |
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cubezzz | yes I know | Nov 14 13:07 |
cubezzz | I still use Phalanx though | Nov 14 13:07 |
cubezzz | play blitz on fics sometimes, no fun losing all the time against crafty | Nov 14 13:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I'm out of sync! | Nov 14 13:07 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Uploaded a edited version of "The Slog" with louder speech samples. | Nov 14 13:07 | |
oiaohm | I can beat crafty on easy settings cubezzz | Nov 14 13:08 |
oiaohm | Basically if you wanted you could fork off your own cubezzz | Nov 14 13:09 |
cubezzz | nah :) | Nov 14 13:09 |
cubezzz | I'd rather write my own, although I admit it would be a lot of work | Nov 14 13:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Já é tempo de relaxar com Bob Marley :D | Nov 14 13:09 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Bob marley - no woman no cry" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gc0ut | Nov 14 13:09 | |
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cubezzz | but as you say, forking is allowed | Nov 14 13:09 |
schestowitz | Military propaganda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1qAR1pdiGY&feature=related | Nov 14 13:10 |
oiaohm | you just cannot delete history in the process of forking. | Nov 14 13:10 |
oiaohm | cubezzz: | Nov 14 13:10 |
cubezzz | one think I'd like it see is a text based fics client | Nov 14 13:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Bob Marley Three little birds HD (Original)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gc0y5 | Nov 14 13:12 | |
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cubezzz | or an ics client for zaurus | Nov 14 13:12 |
cubezzz | wow, warm today for this time of year | Nov 14 13:13 |
cubezzz | almost 10C at 8 am in mid-November | Nov 14 13:14 |
cubezzz | yeah, I wrote one program for windows, a rubik program | Nov 14 13:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Bob Marley cura tudo :D | Nov 14 13:15 | |
cubezzz | I really should port my old dos one, I put years of work into that | Nov 14 13:15 |
cubezzz | but I'd rather not spend any more time programming under windows | Nov 14 13:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Bob Marley - Is This Love" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gc126 | Nov 14 13:17 | |
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amarsh04 | 28 C here and it's almost midnight | Nov 14 13:18 |
cubezzz | where is that? | Nov 14 13:18 |
amarsh04 | Adelaide, South Australia | Nov 14 13:18 |
cubezzz | ah, right, right | Nov 14 13:19 |
cubezzz | that's too warm for me | Nov 14 13:19 |
amarsh04 | we're having our biggest heatwave in November on record | Nov 14 13:19 |
cubezzz | the whole world is warming up I think | Nov 14 13:19 |
amarsh04 | 40 C forecast for Sunday | Nov 14 13:20 |
oiaohm | Not yet cubezzz | Nov 14 13:20 |
oiaohm | Think icebox cubezzz | Nov 14 13:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Bob Marley Three little birds HD (Original)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gc14u | Nov 14 13:20 | |
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oiaohm | Temp in a icebox remains fairly constant until most of the ice is melted. | Nov 14 13:20 |
cubezzz | we might not even get snow this year | Nov 14 13:21 |
oiaohm | Evaporation is down cubezzz | Nov 14 13:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Próxima quinta começa o inicio de uma nova era para mim :D | Nov 14 13:21 | |
oiaohm | That has been recorded year after year. | Nov 14 13:21 |
cubezzz | yeah it's been a bit dry for a while | Nov 14 13:22 |
oiaohm | Cause is polution blocking out sun light cubezzz | Nov 14 13:22 |
oiaohm | Turns out you need direct sun light to evaporate water effectively. | Nov 14 13:22 |
cubezzz | that doesn't sound good :-/ | Nov 14 13:22 |
amarsh04 | it's been a week since the temperature has fallen below 20 C here | Nov 14 13:22 |
oiaohm | It is not good cubezzz | Nov 14 13:23 |
oiaohm | Less evaporation equals less rain/snow. | Nov 14 13:23 |
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oiaohm | That equals ice areas of world melting away and not getting replaced. | Nov 14 13:23 |
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oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming A side line hiding global warming but having huge effects cubezzz | Nov 14 13:27 |
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oiaohm | All the talk about global warming skips over the other key problems. | Nov 14 13:31 |
cubezzz | in the 60's there were a few books on overpopulation | Nov 14 13:32 |
cubezzz | I'm sure that's quite a big problem still | Nov 14 13:32 |
oiaohm | Depends on where. | Nov 14 13:33 |
oiaohm | Places like Australia are not overpopulated. | Nov 14 13:33 |
oiaohm | Countries like china were overpopulated but in 2 more generations will be at a stable level. | Nov 14 13:33 |
oiaohm | Biggest problem Australia is having is lack of rain. | Nov 14 13:34 |
oiaohm | If Global dimming is not got under control more expensive water getting methods have to be used. | Nov 14 13:35 |
oiaohm | Water is our limiting factor cubezzz. | Nov 14 13:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've just watched the 7 parts of "EVERYTHING IS OK" It's brilliant http://ping.fm/JGN5h | Nov 14 13:36 | |
cubezzz | I'm right next to Lake Ontario :) | Nov 14 13:37 |
oiaohm | Lakes here some of them are nothing more than dust bowls cubezzz | Nov 14 13:37 |
oiaohm | Because we stupidly extracted water faster than what it was being refilled. | Nov 14 13:38 |
cubezzz | yes, I think even the Great Lakes may be not as deep as they once were | Nov 14 13:40 |
schestowitz | Everything is OK Montage < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAQrsA3m8Bg > | Nov 14 13:42 |
cubezzz | I think "Everything is OK" is wrong | Nov 14 13:43 |
cubezzz | unfortunately | Nov 14 13:43 |
oiaohm | I personally think the earth is getting sick of US. | Nov 14 13:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sitting in a 767 at the gate hoping the weather doesn't get worse before we take off. Cute kid in front chucking the odd toy over. Fun. #fb | Nov 14 13:48 | |
oiaohm | http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/11/14/0218207/NASA-To-Try-Powering-Mars-Rover-Spirit-Out-of-Sand-Trap Hmm someone over looked a toe vechile | Nov 14 13:49 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: watch the whole lot. I like these people's attitude | Nov 14 13:49 |
oiaohm | Personally I cannot stand that Everything OK set. | Nov 14 13:51 |
oiaohm | Only thing worse is me having to watch Karate or equally bad arts staff fight. | Nov 14 13:53 |
oiaohm | Each time I have watched Karate guys do it I have broken down laughing due to stupidity of there methods and end up decking the instructor. | Nov 14 13:54 |
oiaohm | Basic question how was a staff used. Answer over grown walking stick. So starting position is vertical. Most arts start it horisontal. | Nov 14 13:58 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: what do you mean? | Nov 14 13:58 |
schestowitz | I think they try to make many points | Nov 14 13:58 |
schestowitz | Adverse to common thought | Nov 14 13:58 |
schestowitz | Including the danger of the surveillance we have here | Nov 14 13:58 |
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cubezzz | Pai Mei ftw :) | Nov 14 14:03 |
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oiaohm | schestowitz: They are making valid points but way they are doing is annoying. Have a uniform close to police here is a legal offence. | Nov 14 14:07 |
oiaohm | Even for secuirty. Is over there stupid. | Nov 14 14:07 |
oiaohm | Its most likely because I cannot stand mega phones schestowitz | Nov 14 14:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Prefiro esta, @LibertyTuga ♫ http://blip.fm/~gc2oo | Nov 14 14:12 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/14/windows_product_activation_hacked/ | Nov 14 14:23 |
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oiaohm | So why is this supprising. | Nov 14 14:39 |
schestowitz | Microsoft would like that, I think | Nov 14 14:41 |
oiaohm | Person using a pirated copy is better than a convert to Linux. | Nov 14 14:42 |
schestowitz | "As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours." --BIll Gates | Nov 14 14:42 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Nov 14 14:42 |
schestowitz | http://digg.com/software/Bill_Gates_on_Piracy:_They_ll_get_addicted,_and_then_we_ll_collect_ | Nov 14 14:43 |
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cubezzz | when did Gates say that? | Nov 14 14:43 |
oiaohm | For a long time cubezzz. Its been one of MS methods to under cutting competition. | Nov 14 14:44 |
oiaohm | It was in the LA times the archive is not allowing me to access it at the moment cubezzz | Nov 14 14:45 |
cubezzz | in 1998 about China | Nov 14 14:46 |
wallc | I had a discussion the other day with someone that believed that Win7 would end up with a huge percentage of the PCs in the world. It's hard to argue with that idea because it's so prevalent, but I stopped them cold with THIS idea: | Nov 14 14:46 |
oiaohm | Los Angeles Times, 9 april 2006 << Quoted again cubezzz | Nov 14 14:46 |
wallc | That no matter how big a percentage Windows gets, the days of it being the ONLY system on a computer are over... | Nov 14 14:46 |
cubezzz | its not getting bigger, it's getting smaller | Nov 14 14:47 |
oiaohm | The time of the PC is ending wallc | Nov 14 14:47 |
MinceR | what's coming instead? | Nov 14 14:47 |
cubezzz | but no one really has exact numbers | Nov 14 14:47 |
oiaohm | Items like smartbooks MinceR | Nov 14 14:47 |
cubezzz | portable devices | Nov 14 14:47 |
oiaohm | Stuff halfway between phones and computers. | Nov 14 14:47 |
wallc | I don't know if that's true. I can't do my work on a netbook or a phone... | Nov 14 14:47 |
MinceR | those aren't going to fit all tasks | Nov 14 14:48 |
oiaohm | Don't be too sure MinceR | Nov 14 14:48 |
cubezzz | true, you're not going to do CAD on a PDA :) | Nov 14 14:48 |
oiaohm | Prototype exist where phone core inserts into a 21 inch laptop case. | Nov 14 14:48 |
wallc | i often must work with huge files and also need to maintain my own set up to work with | Nov 14 14:48 |
MinceR | oiaohm: you still get a laptop | Nov 14 14:49 |
MinceR | which still is a personal computer | Nov 14 14:49 |
cubezzz | maybe with projection technology you could though | Nov 14 14:49 |
oiaohm | When the phone is there laptop case has no processor. | Nov 14 14:49 |
oiaohm | When phone is not there. | Nov 14 14:49 |
wallc | also, as the world's population ages (yes, you guys will get older) those teensy keyboards are a pain | Nov 14 14:49 |
oiaohm | Its just a fancy docking station for the phone MinceR | Nov 14 14:49 |
cubezzz | I have a zaurus, I ssh into it, I don't use the keyboard much at all | Nov 14 14:50 |
MinceR | oiaohm: then you have no PCs already | Nov 14 14:50 |
MinceR | you have just fancy docking stations for your CPUs and GPUs :> | Nov 14 14:50 |
oiaohm | Those the phone is the core device. | Nov 14 14:50 |
MinceR | i still think that if it looks like a PC and quacks like a PC then it's a PC | Nov 14 14:50 |
oiaohm | Not like current PC's. | Nov 14 14:50 |
cubezzz | microcomputer is the original term | Nov 14 14:51 |
cubezzz | but no one uses that | Nov 14 14:51 |
MinceR | all computers are microcomputers, aren't they? | Nov 14 14:51 |
cubezzz | no | Nov 14 14:51 |
cubezzz | minicomputers and mainframes | Nov 14 14:51 |
MinceR | since they all use integrated circuits nowadays | Nov 14 14:51 |
cubezzz | no | Nov 14 14:51 |
oiaohm | MinceR: the prototype with phone dock is to test something that nokia is hopeing to make in future. Transforming machines. | Nov 14 14:52 |
MinceR | more than meets the eye! | Nov 14 14:52 |
cubezzz | mini's had ICs of course, they were still mini-computers | Nov 14 14:52 |
oiaohm | O yep MinceR | Nov 14 14:52 |
cubezzz | it's the form factor | Nov 14 14:52 |
MinceR | "A microcomputer is a computer with a microprocessor as its central processing unit." | Nov 14 14:52 |
oiaohm | A bangle that turns into a phone then opens out to be a table MinceR | Nov 14 14:52 |
MinceR | "A microprocessor incorporates most or all of the functions of a central processing unit (CPU) on a single integrated circuit (IC)." | Nov 14 14:52 |
oiaohm | table/tablet | Nov 14 14:52 |
wallc | ok, i see your point. | Nov 14 14:52 |
oiaohm | Nokia cannot make that yet they want to MinceR | Nov 14 14:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News Summary: #OpenSUSE 11.2 Release http://ping.fm/s8O4w | Nov 14 14:53 | |
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oiaohm | As phone makers and PC makers cross zones what use will change. | Nov 14 14:53 |
schestowitz | [14:46] <wallc> That no matter how big a percentage Windows gets, the days of it being the ONLY system on a computer are over... | Nov 14 14:54 |
schestowitz | wallc: people were brainwashed | Nov 14 14:54 |
schestowitz | Mainstream media = corporate interests | Nov 14 14:54 |
schestowitz | Microsoft + Edelman + others sell an illusion | Nov 14 14:54 |
schestowitz | Tell you friends this: | Nov 14 14:54 |
schestowitz | It was EXACTLY the same when Vista was released | Nov 14 14:54 |
wallc | well, we'll just keep giving them more soap and hope they wash Windows out too | Nov 14 14:54 |
cubezzz | ok, but we still talk about mainframes | Nov 14 14:54 |
schestowitz | SAME messages (even more optimistic), name predictions | Nov 14 14:54 |
cubezzz | you have a good point about microprocessors | Nov 14 14:55 |
oiaohm | cubezzz: Mainframes are even changing. | Nov 14 14:55 |
schestowitz | They can look up articles and convince themselves that the same was said about Vista | Nov 14 14:55 |
oiaohm | Next 12 months power effectiveness will be key. | Nov 14 14:55 |
cubezzz | when I think about mini-computer I think of something the size of a fridge | Nov 14 14:55 |
oiaohm | 1 watt processors will become normal. | Nov 14 14:55 |
cubezzz | PDP-10 size | Nov 14 14:55 |
cubezzz | so I'd still be inclined to call something the size of a fridge as a "mini" computer | Nov 14 14:56 |
oiaohm | So one processor is 1watt biggest problem becomes device management. | Nov 14 14:56 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: your response to those videos show that not everyone is ready for these ideas | Nov 14 14:56 |
wallc | what's funny is that, even if Win7 turned out to be as prevalent as XP, they'll just end up with another system they can't get rid of when the next one comes out... | Nov 14 14:56 |
schestowitz | Regardless, I put it in my blog... http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/11/14/everything-is-ok/ | Nov 14 14:56 |
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wallc | people have held on to their XP for a very long time and many simply won't give it up...but I've gotten several to at least dual boot. | Nov 14 14:57 |
cubezzz | microcomputer (my definition only) = size of a typewriter | Nov 14 14:58 |
cubezzz | Handheld is easy enough to define, a computer that fits in your hand | Nov 14 14:59 |
MinceR | well, literally it means a computer you're holding in your hand at the moment :> | Nov 14 15:01 |
oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/11/amd-avoiding-larrabee-route-on-road-to-cpugpu-fusion.ars | Nov 14 15:01 |
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oiaohm | The idea that is old in phones. | Nov 14 15:01 |
oiaohm | SOC is coming to PC. | Nov 14 15:01 |
wallc | Love the megaphone video! | Nov 14 15:01 |
oiaohm | wallc name the feature why they have to move. | Nov 14 15:03 |
MinceR | or the Cell CPU is coming to the PC. :> | Nov 14 15:03 |
MinceR | though that sounds more like Larrabee | Nov 14 15:03 |
oiaohm | Na. | Nov 14 15:04 |
oiaohm | Tile GX processors merged with a GPU would be killer MinceR | Nov 14 15:04 |
MinceR | i don't know Tile GX | Nov 14 15:04 |
oiaohm | http://www.tilera.com/products/TILE-Gx.php << This puppy MinceR | Nov 14 15:05 |
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MinceR | ic | Nov 14 15:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Cortar a barba e tomar um bom banho :) | Nov 14 15:05 | |
oiaohm | Tile-gx processors major limit is floating point. | Nov 14 15:06 |
oiaohm | So a GPU picking up floating point would be mostly not catable. | Nov 14 15:07 |
wallc | oiaohm: "name the feature why they have to move" (i don't understand the question) | Nov 14 15:08 |
wallc | do you mean people having to move from xp? | Nov 14 15:09 |
oiaohm | What features give people reasons to move from xp yes wallc | Nov 14 15:09 |
oiaohm | That question explains why most are not going to move quickly wallc. | Nov 14 15:09 |
wallc | no features that i can see, as far as vista or 7, but i think that's why people are willing to try dual-booting with ubuntu (or whatever distro), because they are scared of leaving xp, but don't want to move further with Microsoft's junk... | Nov 14 15:10 |
wallc | dual booting gives them a safe way to learn a new system - like training wheels | Nov 14 15:11 |
oiaohm | Now does installing ubuntu give them any extra features wallc ? | Nov 14 15:12 |
schestowitz | wallc: there are more videos like that. I watched it cause my dad showed me these | Nov 14 15:12 |
oiaohm | Answer is yes wallc there are some applications that don't run on windows that are really good at particular tasks. | Nov 14 15:12 |
wallc | oiaohm: The one, main thing I hear from people is an eagerness to escape from malware and those sorts of worries...after that everything else is just frosting to them. | Nov 14 15:13 |
wallc | about a year and a half ago I began, in earnest, encouraging everyone I know to begin thinking about moving away from Windows. I'd say the major portion of people in my (admittedly small) universe are my in my age group. I am rather proud of being a "Grandma Grassroots" movement for Free Software. And, except for a few instances, it hasn't been all that difficult...maybe it's time for me do do my own blog about it...(?) | Nov 14 15:18 |
wallc | ...but who cares what "grandma" thinks...lol | Nov 14 15:18 |
schestowitz | wallc: but you have that blog | Nov 14 15:19 |
MinceR | wallc: cool | Nov 14 15:19 |
schestowitz | And also, you can always mirror them in BN | Nov 14 15:19 |
wallc | (thinking about it...worried that I won't have time to maintain it properly) | Nov 14 15:20 |
wallc | Maybe I'll write about my experiences on BN's IRC... :) | Nov 14 15:21 |
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schestowitz | wallc: can do blog posts too | Nov 14 15:23 |
schestowitz | As long as it's not SJVN-like flame bait :-) | Nov 14 15:24 |
wallc | Hey, that's what I'll do, flame sjvn... lol | Nov 14 15:31 |
wallc | he needs to be roasted. | Nov 14 15:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Existem certas e determinadas pessoas neste mundo que nao deviam ter direito a vida... | Nov 14 15:35 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Life defies satire http://bit.ly/328Nmk #windows #fail | Nov 14 15:48 | |
trmanco | hmmm, I'm not that out of shape for a geek :) | Nov 14 15:59 |
cubezzz | Stallman is 57 | Nov 14 16:13 |
trmanco | he is a little out of share :-P | Nov 14 16:15 |
cubezzz | yes, even I am better :) | Nov 14 16:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Oi!! Hoje deve ser o meu dia da sorte... | Nov 14 16:22 | |
trmanco | heh | Nov 14 16:25 |
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Omar87 | Hi all. | Nov 14 16:32 |
Omar87 | anyone here? | Nov 14 16:34 |
trmanco | yep | Nov 14 16:36 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Vou mase buscar pão :-P | Nov 14 16:54 | |
_Hicham_ | trmanco : still heartbroken ? | Nov 14 16:55 |
trmanco | a little | Nov 14 16:55 |
trmanco | just met another girl on facebook | Nov 14 16:55 |
trmanco | right now :-P | Nov 14 16:55 |
_Hicham_ | great | Nov 14 16:56 |
_Hicham_ | is she using Mono ? | Nov 14 16:56 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 16:56 |
trmanco | no, but I think she uses windows | Nov 14 16:56 |
schestowitz | Someone has just mailed me this: http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/stewart.denenberg/csc372/MSLicense.swf | Nov 14 17:01 |
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schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/13/smartphone-sales-up-12-in-q3?utm_source=feedburner | Nov 14 17:03 |
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schestowitz | Omar87: what's UP? | Nov 14 17:03 |
schestowitz | :-) | Nov 14 17:03 |
schestowitz | I asked about you yesterday | Nov 14 17:03 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: that's good. It means you have reasons to go to her house, clean up her up (with Ubuntu) :-) | Nov 14 17:06 |
schestowitz | /up/PC/ | Nov 14 17:06 |
schestowitz | wallcilmber does door-to-door Linux revolution in Arizona.. :-) | Nov 14 17:07 |
ender2070 | helios does a wicked job | Nov 14 17:09 |
schestowitz | Yeah. | Nov 14 17:09 |
schestowitz | A friend of mine thinks he's crazy, but he doesn't understand | Nov 14 17:09 |
ender2070 | LOL | Nov 14 17:09 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : if he went to her house, he won't clean up her computer | Nov 14 17:09 |
DaemonFC | I've been playing the Linux port of Prey | Nov 14 17:11 |
DaemonFC | trying to figure out if the bad performance is FGLRX or a bad port | Nov 14 17:11 |
schestowitz | ender2070: he said I'm among his idols or something, IIRC. In Lxer... that I stay "in the trenches" even when there is "flaming crap" | Nov 14 17:12 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, no PC | Nov 14 17:12 |
schestowitz | That's what girls and guys do, no? They remove viruses togethr | Nov 14 17:12 |
schestowitz | The geeks anyway :-) | Nov 14 17:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, the ATI repository for OpenSuse 11.2 is not recognized by Yast | Nov 14 17:13 |
DaemonFC | and building the kernel module and installing the driver manually doesn't work | Nov 14 17:13 |
_Hicham_ | the crazy daemon , hahahahahahaha | Nov 14 17:13 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: they can alfo play "Go" (the P/L, no the game): v | Nov 14 17:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.thinkdigit.com/Features/Go-Googles-new-open-source-programming-language_3695.html | Nov 14 17:13 |
DaemonFC | every time I play with OpenSuse, they've broken something too horribly to use it | Nov 14 17:13 |
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ender2070 | schestowitz - helios idols you? | Nov 14 17:14 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : Go Language isn't ready yet | Nov 14 17:14 |
schestowitz | Einfeldt showed me that | Nov 14 17:14 |
schestowitz | It was an article/interview he had published | Nov 14 17:14 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : I have tried it, but it is far from being complete | Nov 14 17:14 |
DaemonFC | This Radeon is much faster than my old Geforce, in Windows anyway | Nov 14 17:14 |
ender2070 | go :) | Nov 14 17:14 |
DaemonFC | it struggles to keep up with it under Linux | Nov 14 17:14 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's google, it's eternally "beta" | Nov 14 17:14 |
ender2070 | its still better than mono | Nov 14 17:15 |
schestowitz | Chrome for Linux is taking too long | Nov 14 17:15 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : it doesn't offer dynamic linking yet | Nov 14 17:15 |
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schestowitz | Now there's a word about Chrome for Mac... BETA!!! inDecember | Nov 14 17:15 |
schestowitz | No word on Linux | Nov 14 17:15 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : chome for Linux is usable | Nov 14 17:15 |
schestowitz | Not final version for anything other than WIndows | Nov 14 17:15 |
schestowitz | Shame on Googlle | Nov 14 17:15 |
ender2070 | if you don't like google, theres arora (webkit) | Nov 14 17:15 |
schestowitz | It has been over a year and they pretend it'll come "Real soon", with mail notification buttons and all | Nov 14 17:16 |
_Hicham_ | if u don't like google, don't use google | Nov 14 17:16 |
_Hicham_ | at all | Nov 14 17:16 |
DaemonFC | it would be nice if there were usable Linux drivers for a Radeon | Nov 14 17:16 |
_Hicham_ | we all like google | Nov 14 17:16 |
_Hicham_ | whether we want or not | Nov 14 17:16 |
DaemonFC | the FGLRX driver that Ubuntu provides is glitchy and slow | Nov 14 17:16 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I don't | Nov 14 17:16 |
ender2070 | i love google | Nov 14 17:16 |
schestowitz | I once installed Picasa | Nov 14 17:16 |
schestowitz | On SUSE | Nov 14 17:16 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : why do u use its search engine ? | Nov 14 17:16 |
schestowitz | When it was newly ported | Nov 14 17:16 |
schestowitz | DirectX+Wine nonsense | Nov 14 17:16 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Picasa for Linux is not a port | Nov 14 17:16 |
schestowitz | They should use the right toolkits | Nov 14 17:16 |
DaemonFC | it's the Windows version in Wine | Nov 14 17:17 |
schestowitz | Even the Qt+OGL Googleearth is messay with the window manager | Nov 14 17:17 |
schestowitz | *messy | Nov 14 17:17 |
_Hicham_ | EVERYBODY LOVES GOOGLE | Nov 14 17:17 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: search I'm not tied to | Nov 14 17:17 |
_Hicham_ | EVERYBODY HELPS GOOGLE | Nov 14 17:17 |
schestowitz | Google uses search for money and as ramp to sell other stugg | Nov 14 17:17 |
DaemonFC | are they making real Linux software now or are they just packing the Windows version in Wine and calling it a port? | Nov 14 17:17 |
ender2070 | i pin my hopes on google cause I think they will kill microsoft | Nov 14 17:17 |
schestowitz | !google google calendar search results cheat | Nov 14 17:18 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : remove the script from the channel then | Nov 14 17:18 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - How to Use Google Cheats Productively | eHow.com | http://www.ehow.com/how_5451648_use-google-cheats-productively.html | Nov 14 17:18 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - The Google Calendar “Cheat Sheet” | Entropy | http://www.raven.za.net/web/the-google-calendar-cheat-sheet | Nov 14 17:18 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - Samsung Widget Memoir Google Calendar : Flash iGoogle Weather ... | http://www.vclcomponents.com/s/0__/samsung_widget_memoir_google_calendar | Nov 14 17:18 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - Scott Brenner » Search Results » cheat | http://scottbrenner.com/%3Fs%3Dcheat | Nov 14 17:18 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : see ? you love google | Nov 14 17:18 |
schestowitz | Never mind, it's too old for Google to 'remember' | Nov 14 17:18 |
schestowitz | Basically, they modify search results to promote their own products | Nov 14 17:18 |
schestowitz | Kind of like Bong [sic] | Nov 14 17:18 |
ender2070 | I've used google since their index was bigger than Northern Lights | Nov 14 17:18 |
_Hicham_ | and it is still the most used search engine in the world | Nov 14 17:18 |
ender2070 | they have the biggest index | Nov 14 17:19 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: but they improve wine | Nov 14 17:19 |
ender2070 | why not use them | Nov 14 17:19 |
schestowitz | They gave patches back to wien | Nov 14 17:19 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz is defending google again | Nov 14 17:19 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - also, the go language isn't a wine port | Nov 14 17:19 |
_Hicham_ | are u with or against google ? | Nov 14 17:19 |
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DaemonFC | lets all side with one evil company with monopoly aspirations | Nov 14 17:20 |
DaemonFC | cause they might door ding the current dictator | Nov 14 17:20 |
schestowitz | !google google knows hitcham is evil | Nov 14 17:20 |
_Hicham_ | _Hicham_ opens the Windows(TM) to schestowitz | Nov 14 17:20 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 14th, 2009 | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/irc-log-14092009.html | Nov 14 17:20 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - South African WineNews | http://www.wine.co.za/News/news.aspx%3FNEWSID%3D14278 | Nov 14 17:20 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - 080808 On,Now,To the Third Level: Restore Hope Latimer - Tuesday ... | http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2009/09/restore-hope-latimer-tuesday-evening.html | Nov 14 17:20 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - Full text of "Turning-points in life" | http://www.archive.org/stream/turningpointsin00arnogoog/turningpointsin00arnogoog_djvu.txt | Nov 14 17:20 |
ender2070 | their actions so far haven't been evil | Nov 14 17:20 |
schestowitz | !google google knows EVERYTHING! | Nov 14 17:20 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - what google knows: | http://www.whatgoogleknows.com/ | Nov 14 17:20 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - HubLog: Things Google knows about you | http://hublog.hubmed.org/archives/000942.html | Nov 14 17:20 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - Gooruze - Google Knows Everything!!!! | http://www.gooruze.com/articles/51/Google-Knows-Everything/ | Nov 14 17:20 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - Google knows everything there is to know about you // Current | http://current.com/items/88014671_google-knows-everything-there-is-to-know-about-you.htm | Nov 14 17:20 |
ender2070 | they've been keeping up with their motto | Nov 14 17:20 |
_Hicham_ | !google schestowitz terrorist | Nov 14 17:21 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - The News | http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/index.php/the-news | Nov 14 17:21 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - Leaked Government Document Shows Investigative Journalists Classed ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/05/leaked-uk-mod-manual/ | Nov 14 17:21 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - schestowitz.com » Blogs | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/category/blogs/ | Nov 14 17:21 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - Welcome to Boycott "Boycott Novell!" | http://boycottboycottnovell.com/ | Nov 14 17:21 |
schestowitz | !google eric schmidt exposed by google | Nov 14 17:21 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - Executive Summary: This six page letter to Google's CEO, Eric ... | http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2009/06/google-letter-final2.pdf | Nov 14 17:21 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - Eric Schmidt on whether Google is getting evil | Between the Lines ... | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/%3Fp%3D27268 | Nov 14 17:21 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - YouTube suspends Alex Jones Channel, Google CEO Eric Schmidt ... | http://obambi.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/youtube-suspends-alex-jones-channel-google-ceo-eric-schmidt-probably-couldnt-take-that-obama-is-being-exposed/ | Nov 14 17:21 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - Ken Auletta - I Want Media | http://www.iwantmedia.com/people/people83.html | Nov 14 17:21 |
schestowitz | Meh. | Nov 14 17:21 |
schestowitz | They seem to revise history | Nov 14 17:21 |
schestowitz | It dosn't show how he got exposed | Nov 14 17:21 |
ender2070 | firefox is also heavily funded by google via their search bar inclusion, same with canonical | Nov 14 17:21 |
schestowitz | Mr. Burning Man Festival | Nov 14 17:21 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Hi | Nov 14 17:21 |
schestowitz | Omar87: how's it going? | Nov 14 17:22 |
ender2070 | #3, Alex Jones is a conspiracy dude, probably got shut down for slander | Nov 14 17:22 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: man! This Syntensity gaming environment seems promising! :) | Nov 14 17:22 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_ said you fough the invading army | Nov 14 17:22 |
schestowitz | *ght | Nov 14 17:22 |
schestowitz | ender2070: really? | Nov 14 17:22 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Not bad, Not bad. All thanks and praises to God. You? | Nov 14 17:22 |
ender2070 | yeah im into that stuff | Nov 14 17:23 |
schestowitz | Same ol, same ol | Nov 14 17:23 |
_Hicham_ | Omar87 : do u use Ojuba Linux ? | Nov 14 17:23 |
schestowitz | There are some submission in FSdaily that are one vote away from FP | Nov 14 17:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Winter_Olympics_Incompatible_with_GNU_Linux_Thanks_to_Microsoft http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Reader_s_Post_Microsoft_and_Unicode_Unicode_is_No_Longer_Open_Standard http://www.fsdaily.com/Industry/Mono_and_GNOME_3_0 | Nov 14 17:23 |
Omar87 | _Hicham_: nope. Though, I know its founder. | Nov 14 17:23 |
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phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft and Unicode – Unicode is No Longer Open Standard? | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 28.52 KB | Nov 14 17:23 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Mono and GNOME 3.0 | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 28.18 KB | Nov 14 17:23 |
Omar87 | _Hicham_: His name is Muayyad Al-Saadi. | Nov 14 17:24 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: It's Fedora based... I didn't know about it | Nov 14 17:24 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: True. | Nov 14 17:24 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_ talked about it, but I don't think DistroWatch even lists it | Nov 14 17:24 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - I used to listen to him, but a lot of his facts are questionable and he makes a lot of accusations about people who might not be involved with anything | Nov 14 17:24 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : it is listed by distrowatch | Nov 14 17:24 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, I wonder why he didn't submit it there.\ | Nov 14 17:24 |
_Hicham_ | Omar87 : he is Jordanian | Nov 14 17:24 |
Omar87 | _Hicham_: Yeah, he is. | Nov 14 17:25 |
Omar87 | _Hicham_: he taught me Python about a year ago. | Nov 14 17:25 |
_Hicham_ | Omar87 : he is doing a great job | Nov 14 17:25 |
_Hicham_ | Omar87 : is he a professor there ? | Nov 14 17:25 |
Omar87 | _Hicham_: yeah, he's a genius. :) | Nov 14 17:25 |
schestowitz | ender2070: I'm looking for a video for you... | Nov 14 17:25 |
schestowitz | One that REALLY put me off... | Nov 14 17:26 |
_Hicham_ | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=Ojuba | Nov 14 17:26 |
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Omar87 | _Hicham_: and he's not a Computer Scientist, :D | Nov 14 17:26 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - an alex jones video? | Nov 14 17:26 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - people suspect alex jones of working for the CIA actually | Nov 14 17:26 |
schestowitz | Oh, found it | Nov 14 17:26 |
schestowitz | ender2070: watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APTn1EPg9E&feature=related | Nov 14 17:26 |
Omar87 | _Hicham_: he's a Mathematician. | Nov 14 17:26 |
schestowitz | Watch the madman... | Nov 14 17:26 |
ender2070 | LOL | Nov 14 17:27 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz is working for Scotland Yard | Nov 14 17:27 |
schestowitz | He basically invited Chomsky and then cursed him for not agreeing with TOTAL fabrications | Nov 14 17:27 |
ender2070 | noam chomsky is a shill too, allegedly | Nov 14 17:27 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: I hate it when he starts interrupting callers. | Nov 14 17:27 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: if it's on DW, I never see updates on it | Nov 14 17:27 |
schestowitz | [17:26] <ender2070> schestowitz - people suspect alex jones of working for the CIA actually | Nov 14 17:28 |
schestowitz | Wold make sense | Nov 14 17:28 |
schestowitz | You know why? | Nov 14 17:28 |
schestowitz | Cause he puts a bad label on some real suspicions | Nov 14 17:28 |
ender2070 | listen to the people he puts down | Nov 14 17:28 |
schestowitz | As in, mix up pretexts with suggestions that the US govt murdered 3000+ of its own people | Nov 14 17:28 |
ender2070 | he has put down David Icke, who has volumes of information that makes a lot of sense | Nov 14 17:29 |
schestowitz | Or make it seem like FEMA is some concentration camp thingie | Nov 14 17:29 |
ender2070 | yeah exactly | Nov 14 17:29 |
schestowitz | Or the whole Illuminati BS | Nov 14 17:29 |
ender2070 | he does stuff like that | Nov 14 17:29 |
ender2070 | he blows it out of proportion, hes an alarmist | Nov 14 17:29 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: the Illuminati thing makes sense to me. | Nov 14 17:29 |
schestowitz | Internet Icon Richard Stallman on Alex Jones Tv (HD) 1/3:Who Needs Windows? < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZWKXNo_vA0 > | Nov 14 17:29 |
_Hicham_ | Do Richard Stallman's personal attacks on "traitors" and "enemies" of the "free software movement help or hurt the FSF's credibility? | Nov 14 17:29 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: I almost believe it's true. | Nov 14 17:29 |
_Hicham_ | They hurt it 130 80.7% | Nov 14 17:30 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I have a video for you to see too :-) | Nov 14 17:30 |
ender2070 | Omar87 - half of the conspiracy guys are working for the government | Nov 14 17:30 |
ender2070 | or the United Nations | Nov 14 17:30 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/11/14/everything-is-ok/ | Nov 14 17:30 |
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schestowitz | This is just a motage really | Nov 14 17:30 |
Omar87 | ender2070: the consipracy is not restricted to the US only. | Nov 14 17:30 |
schestowitz | I spent about 1.5 hours today watching all the parts. VERY funny. | Nov 14 17:30 |
Omar87 | ender2070: it's a global scheme. | Nov 14 17:31 |
ender2070 | Omar87 - thats why i added "Or the United Nations" | Nov 14 17:31 |
MinceR | metaconspiracy | Nov 14 17:31 |
ender2070 | things are shifting towards a world governement controlled by the UN | Nov 14 17:31 |
schestowitz | Yes, but... | Nov 14 17:31 |
Omar87 | ender2070: exactly. | Nov 14 17:31 |
ender2070 | who controls the UN? no idea yet | Nov 14 17:31 |
schestowitz | There's no reason to shout about it | Nov 14 17:31 |
schestowitz | It's not secret | Nov 14 17:31 |
ender2070 | yeah i know | Nov 14 17:32 |
ender2070 | people laugh at me when I suggest there will be one world government | Nov 14 17:32 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: It's much bigger than just a world government. | Nov 14 17:32 |
schestowitz | Dollar Will be Utterly Destroyed, Global Currency, New World Order < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4T4jY7kxMQ&feature=player_embedded > | Nov 14 17:32 |
ender2070 | i point out thats the UN's stated goal, still get laughs | Nov 14 17:32 |
schestowitz | It's a lot more open now.. | Nov 14 17:32 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : who is David "Lefty" Schlesinger ? | Nov 14 17:32 |
schestowitz | Politicians no longer deny iy | Nov 14 17:32 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: psychopath | Nov 14 17:33 |
ender2070 | _Hicham_ - bad man, now he will be reading this part of the convo | Nov 14 17:33 |
schestowitz | Many victims in over a decade, just ignore him | Nov 14 17:33 |
ender2070 | _Hicham_ - he has special software that monitors the internet for his names | Nov 14 17:33 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Policians, like G. Carlin used to say it, are no more than puppets to make you think you have free speech, while actually, you don't. | Nov 14 17:34 |
schestowitz | Omar87: yes, but... | Nov 14 17:34 |
ender2070 | www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com - a site run by a canadian Alan Watt, the stuff he says can be verfified by the links he puts under his radio shows | Nov 14 17:34 |
schestowitz | It's communication that changed a lot | Nov 14 17:34 |
schestowitz | People now talk about it "too much" | Nov 14 17:34 |
schestowitz | Like ACTA | Nov 14 17:34 |
schestowitz | "Trade" | Nov 14 17:34 |
schestowitz | It's not about trade | Nov 14 17:34 |
schestowitz | And NAFTA is not about [F]ree | Nov 14 17:34 |
schestowitz | Just suphemisms | Nov 14 17:35 |
schestowitz | And peopke like ORG, EEF and other talk about it | Nov 14 17:35 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: because the picture is getting clearer everyday. | Nov 14 17:35 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: the dollar is collapsing every second. | Nov 14 17:35 |
schestowitz | Omar87: can you vote on the FSDaily URLs, please? | Nov 14 17:36 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: sure. | Nov 14 17:36 |
schestowitz | Omar87: not quite | Nov 14 17:36 |
schestowitz | It's a wait and watch thing | Nov 14 17:36 |
schestowitz | Like, everyone watches everyone else | Nov 14 17:36 |
schestowitz | As in musical chairs | Nov 14 17:36 |
DaemonFC | ok, this is weird | Nov 14 17:36 |
schestowitz | When one heads out the exit, it's a stampede | Nov 14 17:36 |
DaemonFC | QVC took the $207.88, then the transaction disappears the next day | Nov 14 17:37 |
schestowitz | The question is, how can FraudStreet terrorise/bribe countries to prevent the exit to the door? | Nov 14 17:37 |
DaemonFC | and my balance is back up to before they did anything | Nov 14 17:37 |
schestowitz | Heh. I don't think the Sterling will gain traction | Nov 14 17:37 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: yeah, it won't happen this fast. | Nov 14 17:37 |
schestowitz | I wonder how $$-dependent the value of the Sterling is | Nov 14 17:37 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: but, it's gonna happen sooner or later. | Nov 14 17:37 |
schestowitz | Well, the Roman empire is gone now | Nov 14 17:38 |
schestowitz | Same with the British | Nov 14 17:38 |
schestowitz | And the Turks | Nov 14 17:38 |
schestowitz | .. | Nov 14 17:38 |
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schestowitz | Nothing lasts forever. Overstretch. | Nov 14 17:38 |
schestowitz | But China is too scary... organ farming and genocides | Nov 14 17:38 |
ender2070 | i was just listening to a radio show about getting off the grid | Nov 14 17:38 |
schestowitz | ender2070: you're in CA, right? | Nov 14 17:39 |
ender2070 | this guy sounds a little nutty but he has a few good ideas | Nov 14 17:39 |
ender2070 | http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/11nov/RIR-091110.php | Nov 14 17:39 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, But they make cheap lead-painted happy meal toys | Nov 14 17:39 |
ender2070 | Canada, yes | Nov 14 17:39 |
schestowitz | NAFTA gives the US a lot of Canadian resources | Nov 14 17:39 |
DaemonFC | you're always so negative :) | Nov 14 17:39 |
schestowitz | Not just cheap[er] labour in MX | Nov 14 17:39 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 14 17:39 |
ender2070 | i dont agree with NAFTA | Nov 14 17:39 |
schestowitz | Let me find a vid... | Nov 14 17:40 |
ender2070 | i dont want a north american currency either | Nov 14 17:40 |
ender2070 | i dont want the USA's dept to screw us | Nov 14 17:40 |
schestowitz | Can't figure out how to find it.... http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nafta+canadians&search_type=&aq=f | Nov 14 17:40 |
DaemonFC | NAFTA is almost entirely to the advantage of the rich Mexicans, like Carlos Slim | Nov 14 17:40 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: btw, which FSDaily posts are you talking about? 'coz I think I voted them up a while ago. | Nov 14 17:40 |
DaemonFC | the money funnels down to Mexico where it goes straight to their wealthiest class | Nov 14 17:40 |
schestowitz | Basically, Canadians' understanding of NAFTA is tested by speaking to people in the streets | Nov 14 17:40 |
schestowitz | And globalisaton too | Nov 14 17:40 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: like hours ago. | Nov 14 17:41 |
schestowitz | Many CAians don't even know what NAFTA is... or that it was signed | Nov 14 17:41 |
ender2070 | globalisation only serves banks and mega corporations | Nov 14 17:41 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Are you surprised? | Nov 14 17:41 |
DaemonFC | They're not the ones getting victimized by it | Nov 14 17:41 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - yes we are | Nov 14 17:41 |
schestowitz | Omar87: http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Winter_Olympics_Incompatible_with_GNU_Linux_Thanks_to_Microsoft http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Reader_s_Post_Microsoft_and_Unicode_Unicode_is_No_Longer_Open_Standard http://www.fsdaily.com/Industry/Mono_and_GNOME_3_0 | Nov 14 17:41 |
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ender2070 | DaemonFC - why should u get easier access to our lumber for almost no cost? | Nov 14 17:42 |
ender2070 | and our maple syrup | Nov 14 17:42 |
cubezzz | embarassing... that's Canada :-/ | Nov 14 17:42 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Last I heard, that Stephen Harper fellow was saying he has a hankering for some Mexican immigrants to do cheap menial labor | Nov 14 17:42 |
schestowitz | It's good for some Canadian companies | Nov 14 17:42 |
ender2070 | ill defend to the death | Nov 14 17:42 |
schestowitz | They have lobbying power | Nov 14 17:42 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: look at how, for example, Rachel Corrie, the girl who got killed by an Israeli bulldozer with she tried to stop it from demolishing a Palestinian house, | Nov 14 17:42 |
DaemonFC | we should have given him all he wants | Nov 14 17:42 |
DaemonFC | lol | Nov 14 17:42 |
schestowitz | Brazil is too far away | Nov 14 17:42 |
schestowitz | Hard to transport by trucks | Nov 14 17:42 |
ender2070 | thats interesting, lol | Nov 14 17:43 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: look at how the US media dealt with her story. | Nov 14 17:43 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, I think we can spare you a few million of them | Nov 14 17:43 |
ender2070 | cause canada keeps increasing minimum wage (at least in ontario) | Nov 14 17:43 |
DaemonFC | if they liked our healthcare system, they'll love yours | Nov 14 17:43 |
ender2070 | LOL | Nov 14 17:43 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Who said anything about minimum wage? | Nov 14 17:43 |
schestowitz | Omar87: DaemonFC's dad used to work for Caterpillar :-p | Nov 14 17:43 |
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DaemonFC | I assure you the Canadian policy will be to ignore them and pay them $1 or $2 an hour | Nov 14 17:44 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - u can't get a job here without a SIN | Nov 14 17:44 |
DaemonFC | just like ours | Nov 14 17:44 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Not officially, no | Nov 14 17:44 |
DaemonFC | they'll just have 20 guys working there with the same number | Nov 14 17:44 |
ender2070 | you can work under the table | Nov 14 17:44 |
DaemonFC | jsut like they do with Social Security Numbers here | Nov 14 17:44 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: look at how the US government totally ignored her case. | Nov 14 17:44 |
ender2070 | but then you arent protected by canada's excellent employment standards act | Nov 14 17:44 |
schestowitz | CBC reports on Canadian Government NAFTA lie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgxxWhzdhv0 | Nov 14 17:45 |
schestowitz | Omar87: it's not good for their message (The owners of the media) | Nov 14 17:45 |
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DaemonFC | ender2070, In the US it works like this. 1. Hire illegal aliens. 2. Bribe the appropriate elected official to ignore it. 3. Keep the bribes flowing or they'll flag your workplace for a raid by ICE. | Nov 14 17:45 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - harder to do here, the government really does love to collect its tax dollars. SIN numbers get cross checked | Nov 14 17:45 |
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DaemonFC | ender2070, The government does get payroll taxes on a lot of illegal workers | Nov 14 17:46 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - you know nothing about Canada, why are you arguing? | Nov 14 17:46 |
DaemonFC | they estimate that Social Security takes in $7 billion a year from illegal Mexicans using forged documents to get a job | Nov 14 17:46 |
ender2070 | the only way an illegal is working here is under the table | Nov 14 17:46 |
DaemonFC | the government is probably OK with that too | Nov 14 17:47 |
ender2070 | at which point they have no employment rights | Nov 14 17:47 |
ender2070 | and their boss can treat them like a slave | Nov 14 17:47 |
DaemonFC | who funds their campaigns? The rich people hiring and exploiting the illegals. | Nov 14 17:47 |
DaemonFC | exactly | Nov 14 17:47 |
DaemonFC | the rich always get whatever they want | Nov 14 17:47 |
DaemonFC | usually subsidized by law abiding legal citizens in the middle class or lower | Nov 14 17:47 |
ender2070 | they also can't get unemployment unless they are laid off from a job they were paying taxes at | Nov 14 17:47 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, It doesn't work any differently in Canada I'm sure | Nov 14 17:48 |
DaemonFC | they may have stronger laws, but that's all on paper | Nov 14 17:48 |
DaemonFC | there's a way around any law if you have enough money | Nov 14 17:48 |
ender2070 | alright so someone will be working for $2 /hr, that doesnt effect me | Nov 14 17:48 |
DaemonFC | corrupt public officials happen in every country | Nov 14 17:48 |
DaemonFC | sure it does | Nov 14 17:48 |
ender2070 | explain why it does | Nov 14 17:49 |
DaemonFC | it affects you and your fellow legal citizens who could have had the job for appropriate wages | Nov 14 17:49 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 17:49 |
DaemonFC | now that job is being taken by an illegal who is undercutting the minimum wage | Nov 14 17:49 |
ender2070 | if you're caught not paying taxes, they use the highest tier to calculate what you owe them | Nov 14 17:50 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, You might not take a minimum wage job, but you get your taxes increased to cover social service programs like unemployment for your fellow legal citizens | Nov 14 17:50 |
ender2070 | and the employer can also be liable and be required to pay their E.I and CPP payments | Nov 14 17:50 |
DaemonFC | so you're subsidizing corporate welfare every time you pay taxes | Nov 14 17:50 |
ender2070 | Canada isn't USA | Nov 14 17:50 |
ender2070 | its a lot easier to track people who are evading taxes | Nov 14 17:51 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, It's like when there's illegals working here, they tie up a job that some legal citizen could have taken, then everyone else gets taxed to cover unemployment, child care, medicaid coverage for them and the kids... | Nov 14 17:51 |
DaemonFC | food stamps | Nov 14 17:51 |
ender2070 | we have tax tiers here | Nov 14 17:52 |
ender2070 | the rich pay the most taxes here, still | Nov 14 17:52 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Technically, taxes in the US are like that too | Nov 14 17:52 |
DaemonFC | but Bush basically broke that system by cutting taxes at the very top | Nov 14 17:52 |
ender2070 | i dont care that the upper class is paying my unemployment | Nov 14 17:52 |
DaemonFC | so our government is bleeding a lot faster than it was before | Nov 14 17:52 |
ender2070 | Harper started doing that to us | Nov 14 17:53 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, The government of the US is destabilized by the Bush tax cuts more so than the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan put together | Nov 14 17:53 |
DaemonFC | Bush cut their taxes from 39% to like 34% | Nov 14 17:53 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - typical right wing policy | Nov 14 17:53 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, I don't see Obama in any rush to repeal the cuts | Nov 14 17:54 |
ender2070 | right wing policy generalized: the government can't have any surplus funds at all, everything should be spent and taxes will balance it back to $0 | Nov 14 17:54 |
ender2070 | thats their goal | Nov 14 17:54 |
ender2070 | not always what happens in practice | Nov 14 17:54 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Never what happens | Nov 14 17:55 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, It really goes. Cut taxes for the rich to buy favor. Borrow money from China to replace the lost tax income. Keep spending high and wasteful | Nov 14 17:55 |
DaemonFC | Obama is not repealing the Bush tax cuts or pushing for it | Nov 14 17:56 |
DaemonFC | or even asking Congress to do it | Nov 14 17:56 |
DaemonFC | That may be so he can bring their taxes back up to 39.4% with the healthcare bill and then let the Bush cuts expire in 2010 | Nov 14 17:57 |
DaemonFC | they'll be up to 44.4% | Nov 14 17:57 |
DaemonFC | lol | Nov 14 17:57 |
DaemonFC | and scrambling to get their assets into a Swiss bank account | Nov 14 17:57 |
DaemonFC | beyond a certain amount of taxation on the rich, they start taking in less money than had they left it alone | Nov 14 17:58 |
DaemonFC | cause there's a threshold where the rich are scrambling to hide all their money in tax shelters | Nov 14 17:58 |
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DaemonFC | cubezzz, The Microsoft Windows XP Promotion Foundation provides the cover story of "charity" | Nov 14 17:59 |
DaemonFC | err, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation | Nov 14 17:59 |
cubezzz | surely it would be the Windows 7 Promotion Foundation now? | Nov 14 18:00 |
cubezzz | or do they still sell XP? | Nov 14 18:00 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, Would be if Windows 7 really ran on the minimalist hardware in things like the XO laptop | Nov 14 18:00 |
DaemonFC | they don't sell XP, but they still slap it on "donated" netbooks and such | Nov 14 18:00 |
DaemonFC | XP can run on minimalist hardware because that hardware is about as powerful as the average PC when XP was out | Nov 14 18:01 |
DaemonFC | XP is 10 years old, really, counting the betas and such | Nov 14 18:01 |
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DaemonFC | cubezzz, Windows 7 scares me in a lot of ways, because it carries on all the bad design choices in Vista and then manages to be even slower than Vista in many ways | Nov 14 18:02 |
DaemonFC | I'd really hate to try and run it on some 1 Ghz Atom with 1 GB of RAM | Nov 14 18:03 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft hasn't learned their Vista lesson, that's why Windows 7 is not a runaway hit so far either | Nov 14 18:05 |
DaemonFC | they keep building it bigger, and some of that is OK if everyone jumps up and buys a faster PC | Nov 14 18:05 |
DaemonFC | I think the real reason they got rid of things like Windows Movie Maker and such is cause they ran out of room on the disc | Nov 14 18:06 |
DaemonFC | an OS that manages to overrun a dual layer DVD should be enough to scare anyone | Nov 14 18:07 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu hasn't managed to outgrow a single 700 MB CD since it was first out in 2004 | Nov 14 18:07 |
DaemonFC | why does Microsoft Windows need the 8.4 GB on a DL-DVD? | Nov 14 18:08 |
DaemonFC | it's piggish, is what it is | Nov 14 18:08 |
DaemonFC | it's what's going to happen when they can't strip out any of the dead weight for fear of breaking thousands of binary applications | Nov 14 18:09 |
DaemonFC | at least 2 GB of what Windows installs (in Vista anyway) is in the WinSxS folder, that's all backwards compatibility garbage | Nov 14 18:10 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu itself, fully installed, is just under 2 GB on the disk | Nov 14 18:10 |
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DaemonFC | Microsoft's backwards compatibility fluff alone takes more disk space than an entire installation of Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:11 |
ender2070_ | yay wireless | Nov 14 18:11 |
DaemonFC | then on top of that 2 gigs, they still have to support that voice control abortion from Vista, and that alone gets another GB on your disk | Nov 14 18:12 |
DaemonFC | cause they wouldn't want to break all 3 apps that ever actually tried to use it | Nov 14 18:12 |
DaemonFC | it all adds up, so I highly suspect that over 4 GB of a Windows install is cruft, if not more | Nov 14 18:13 |
DaemonFC | that may not sound like much to worry about unless you're using some kind of flash memory and space is at a premium | Nov 14 18:13 |
DaemonFC | then just the crap alone from Windows might be using $50 worth of storage space on your SSD | Nov 14 18:13 |
ender2070_ | microsoft needs to break backwards compatibility and start from scratch | Nov 14 18:14 |
ender2070_ | like OSX | Nov 14 18:14 |
DaemonFC | that's not even counting that you can't pry out Idiot Exploiter | Nov 14 18:14 |
DaemonFC | or Media Slayer | Nov 14 18:14 |
ender2070_ | lol | Nov 14 18:14 |
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ender2070_ | install fedora, that'll do it | Nov 14 18:14 |
MinceR | osx isn't from scratch | Nov 14 18:14 |
MinceR | it's from the work of a community crApple despises and wants to kill. | Nov 14 18:15 |
DaemonFC | OS X, on a technical level, is a hell of an improvement over Windows | Nov 14 18:15 |
MinceR | and even then, it's about as much garbage as winblows. | Nov 14 18:15 |
ender2070_ | OS9 and OSX are totally different | Nov 14 18:15 |
DaemonFC | I guess that's not saying a lot, but it is | Nov 14 18:15 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, OS X is built from Mach and FreeBSD mostly | Nov 14 18:15 |
ender2070_ | OSX has compatiblity layers for old stuff, but they dont include every library they ever released since 9x | Nov 14 18:15 |
DaemonFC | has a layer of Apple stuff on it obviously | Nov 14 18:15 |
MinceR | and that layer breaks it all | Nov 14 18:16 |
ender2070_ | i know how OSX works | Nov 14 18:16 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Mac OS X 10.5 removes PowerPC and Classic Mac OS support | Nov 14 18:16 |
DaemonFC | totally | Nov 14 18:16 |
DaemonFC | that layer is gone | Nov 14 18:16 |
ender2070_ | DaemonFC - yes | Nov 14 18:16 |
ender2070_ | DaemonFC - MSFT needs to do similar things, instead of their windows growing with each release | Nov 14 18:16 |
DaemonFC | Windows 7 on the other hand is like a Bad Shit Cordon Bleu | Nov 14 18:16 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 14 18:16 |
ender2070_ | lol | Nov 14 18:17 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is only interested in making Windows better in very superficial ways | Nov 14 18:17 |
DaemonFC | enough to lure customers to the demo model | Nov 14 18:17 |
DaemonFC | where they control everything the computer has in it and all the software installed | Nov 14 18:18 |
ender2070_ | meh | Nov 14 18:18 |
ender2070_ | they wont get to | Nov 14 18:18 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, That's why Windows looks different every time, for no reason | Nov 14 18:18 |
ender2070_ | windows is only useful for video games, and those very few proprietary apps people have been brainwashed into thinking they need | Nov 14 18:18 |
DaemonFC | I admit, that when XP came out 9 years ago, I thought it looked really cool, in the store | Nov 14 18:18 |
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DaemonFC | I ended up dealing with it in some form or another for the next decade and have since changed my mind | Nov 14 18:19 |
ender2070 | I'ved used Linux since 1999 | Nov 14 18:19 |
DaemonFC | but by 2001 standards, just walking up to an XP display model, you could be very easily tricked into thinking it was cool and new and such | Nov 14 18:19 |
ender2070 | my last windows was win2k | Nov 14 18:19 |
ender2070 | i have a gaming pc that runs windows, but its hardly used | Nov 14 18:20 |
ender2070 | im quite familiar with windows though, i used to work at a pc repair shop | Nov 14 18:20 |
ender2070 | i know everything there is to hate about windows | Nov 14 18:20 |
schestowitz | I've just spoken to my brother for 2 hours and gave him Windows insturctions | Nov 14 18:21 |
schestowitz | I remember some stuff from WIndows 98 | Nov 14 18:21 |
schestowitz | Like how to extend a laptop's workspace to external monitor | Nov 14 18:21 |
schestowitz | He has Mandriva too BTW | Nov 14 18:21 |
schestowitz | Slowly he's getting there... | Nov 14 18:22 |
DaemonFC | Windows 98 was a lot worse than anything they have out now | Nov 14 18:22 |
DaemonFC | it was enough to compete with Mac OS 9 | Nov 14 18:22 |
schestowitz | He was impressed by people with dual-head Linux and desktop effects | Nov 14 18:22 |
schestowitz | Got "Linux envy" :-) | Nov 14 18:22 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Must not have ATI | Nov 14 18:22 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: SE | Nov 14 18:22 |
schestowitz | ATI worked OK for me | Nov 14 18:22 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, 98 SE was like charging for a service pack | Nov 14 18:22 |
schestowitz | I used it with SUSE and Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:22 |
schestowitz | Dell 1.8 Ghz, Radeon card | Nov 14 18:23 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Suse 11.2's ATI repo isn't working | Nov 14 18:23 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: it just came with my Compaq laptop | Nov 14 18:23 |
DaemonFC | I need FGLRX | Nov 14 18:23 |
schestowitz | So I didn' 'rebuy' | Nov 14 18:23 |
schestowitz | BUT... | Nov 14 18:23 |
schestowitz | Alas.. | Nov 14 18:23 |
schestowitz | Watch Microsoft's plan for the future.. | Nov 14 18:23 |
DaemonFC | my card is new enough to not really have any support by radeonhd | Nov 14 18:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/windows_7_advertisers/ | Nov 14 18:23 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft's Clarke booster actually put a good spin on it... like Mary Jo | Nov 14 18:24 |
schestowitz | "Look... WIndows is now like... err... space rent for companies" | Nov 14 18:24 |
schestowitz | Here's a new message to the Linux curious | Nov 14 18:24 |
schestowitz | "Come to Linux... no adverts" | Nov 14 18:24 |
DaemonFC | The company said in a statement the Windows themes would let consumers customize their technology "to reflect the things in life they are most passionate about" - as long as that's Porches, sugary fizzy drinks, and films. | Nov 14 18:24 |
DaemonFC | hah | Nov 14 18:24 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I liked what I saw in Suse 11.2 | Nov 14 18:24 |
MinceR | i'd love to have a Porch! | Nov 14 18:25 |
DaemonFC | up until the ATI repo didn't work | Nov 14 18:25 |
schestowitz | kde4? | Nov 14 18:25 |
DaemonFC | GNOME | Nov 14 18:25 |
schestowitz | To get it working you need the right drivers | Nov 14 18:25 |
schestowitz | ZiggyFish came here with such an issue last week | Nov 14 18:25 |
schestowitz | He didn't find where the driver gets installed | Nov 14 18:25 |
ender2070 | msft probably just wants to push people into paying for a signature windows installation(TM) | Nov 14 18:25 |
schestowitz | Just a GUI thing | Nov 14 18:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I would have liked to use it | Nov 14 18:25 |
DaemonFC | the only problem was the ATI repo | Nov 14 18:26 |
schestowitz | ender2070: maybe they have a future making money by having Ballmer sign boxed 15 hours per day :-) | Nov 14 18:26 |
schestowitz | *boxes | Nov 14 18:26 |
ender2070 | people will take their pc to msft's shops to get a cleaner installation, $$$ | Nov 14 18:26 |
DaemonFC | I tried to manually install the driver and it failed | Nov 14 18:26 |
ender2070 | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-signature-pc-crapware-windows,8949.html | Nov 14 18:26 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Selling 'Signature PCs' Sans Crapware - Tom's Hardware .::. Size~: 121.82 KB | Nov 14 18:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/comtek_warning/ | Nov 14 18:26 |
ender2070 | there | Nov 14 18:26 |
phIRCe-local | Title: HPcom spells 'IT disaster,' says UK firm • The Register .::. Size~: 30.35 KB | Nov 14 18:27 |
ender2070 | thats what they want people to pay for | Nov 14 18:27 |
schestowitz | ender2070: oh, that | Nov 14 18:27 |
MinceR | isn't m$' own stuff crapware? :> | Nov 14 18:27 |
schestowitz | I can sign my distro like I sign snow with urine ;-) | Nov 14 18:27 |
ender2070 | LOL | Nov 14 18:27 |
ender2070 | who knows | Nov 14 18:27 |
ender2070 | perhaps they get ballmer to autograph pc's too | Nov 14 18:27 |
schestowitz | The "Microsoft-blessed" PC | Nov 14 18:27 |
schestowitz | ender2070: maybe, he's not doing much | Nov 14 18:28 |
schestowitz | Just travelling and signing things | Nov 14 18:28 |
ender2070 | its funny tho cause they will install firefox if you want it | Nov 14 18:28 |
schestowitz | Sometimes replying to some mail | Nov 14 18:28 |
schestowitz | Those management types don't do much, they assign mostly | Nov 14 18:28 |
schestowitz | Same with Ellison | Nov 14 18:28 |
ender2070 | installing firefox is probably lawsuit prevention though | Nov 14 18:28 |
ender2070 | is the EU blocking Oracle-Sun? | Nov 14 18:28 |
schestowitz | BillG is too busy with PR ("oh! Look at me! I'm adorable") and then lobbying | Nov 14 18:28 |
schestowitz | The PR helps his lobbying | Nov 14 18:28 |
ender2070 | BillG gets mentioned on www.redicecreations.com for his foundations work with monsanto | Nov 14 18:29 |
ender2070 | makes me wonder if Bill G can do anything non-evil | Nov 14 18:29 |
schestowitz | WHat is this site? | Nov 14 18:29 |
schestowitz | It has that Ike look | Nov 14 18:30 |
*schestowitz don't ike | Nov 14 18:30 | |
*schestowitz don't like, either | Nov 14 18:30 | |
ender2070 | its a radio show | Nov 14 18:30 |
ender2070 | and news site | Nov 14 18:30 |
schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Nov 14 18:30 |
schestowitz | Well, here's the golden rule: | Nov 14 18:30 |
ender2070 | conspiracy slanted | Nov 14 18:30 |
*DaemonFC has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Nov 14 18:30 | |
schestowitz | If you explain what Gates does (i.e. criticise the architected thing), it means you are "hateful" or "jealous" | Nov 14 18:31 |
schestowitz | Likewise, there are political defenses | Nov 14 18:31 |
schestowitz | E.g.: | Nov 14 18:31 |
schestowitz | Anti-Obama policies -> racist | Nov 14 18:31 |
schestowitz | Anti-globalisation -> anti-progress | Nov 14 18:31 |
schestowitz | Hater of "Free market" doctrine (Friedmanites/School of Chicago) -> communist | Nov 14 18:31 |
ender2070 | yeah thats true | Nov 14 18:32 |
schestowitz | Gates has another one | Nov 14 18:32 |
schestowitz | Wait..i'll grab the ref | Nov 14 18:32 |
ender2070 | if you want healthcare, you're a socialist | Nov 14 18:32 |
schestowitz | agnti-Monsanto ="Environmentalists" | Nov 14 18:32 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 18:32 |
schestowitz | !google bill gates Monsanto Environmentalists | Nov 14 18:32 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - open...: Monsanto: Making Microsoft Look Good | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/10/monsanto-making-microsoft-look-good.html | Nov 14 18:32 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - [GreenYouth] Monsanto: Making Microsoft Look Good | http://www.mail-archive.com/greenyouth%40googlegroups.com/msg09638.html | Nov 14 18:32 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - Discussions :: View topic - Bill Gates and GMO's the connection | http://discussions.ghanaweb.com/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D110933%26sid%3Db5542b9ebe7bee054ff49cc5377f5ead | Nov 14 18:32 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - Bill Gates Blames Hunger in Africa on Anti-GMO Environmentalists | http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_19384.cfm | Nov 14 18:32 |
schestowitz | Oh!!! | Nov 14 18:32 |
schestowitz | Those evil, evil Environmentalists | Nov 14 18:32 |
schestowitz | They don't let Billie and Monsanto getting people addicted to US patents | Nov 14 18:33 |
ender2070 | monsanto has been patenting all the original seeds so they can force people to buy their GMO crap | Nov 14 18:33 |
schestowitz | Yes | Nov 14 18:34 |
schestowitz | Billie is a main funder of theirs | Nov 14 18:34 |
ender2070 | Canadians have been eating GMO foods for 10+ years, we only found out when the UK tried to do the same | Nov 14 18:34 |
schestowitz | Globalist... meaning, rich control more territories | Nov 14 18:34 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 14 18:34 |
schestowitz | Now he passes the patent cr* from Africa to India | Nov 14 18:34 |
ender2070 | globalisation only benefits banks and mega corporations, or royalty | Nov 14 18:34 |
schestowitz | Been a busy man recently.., http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Nov 14 18:35 |
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schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/19/gmo-patent-investments/ | Nov 14 18:35 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Bill Gates Takes His GMO Patent Investments/Experiments to India | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.77 KB | Nov 14 18:35 |
schestowitz | Oligarchs swallow: http://www.topix.net/science/computer-science/2009/11/hewlett-packard-buys-3com-for-2-7-billion | Nov 14 18:36 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Hewlett-Packard buys 3Com for $2.7 billion - Topix .::. Size~: 43.46 KB | Nov 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | Over a year ago my mate here told me what would happen and he was right | Nov 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | The crisis is reason to justify "consolidation" | Nov 14 18:36 |
ender2070 | oh the recession? | Nov 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | meaning that already-giant companies sweep up the challengers | Nov 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | Wind River, MontaVista....... | Nov 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | Now Cavium, HP... | Nov 14 18:36 |
ender2070 | I heard there would be a recession back in 2007 | Nov 14 18:36 |
schestowitz | Sun->Oracle | Nov 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | Google swallows many | Nov 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | Everything collapses onto another | Nov 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | The question is, what gets swallowed, what will remain? | Nov 14 18:37 |
ender2070 | i dont mind google so much but im still on guard | Nov 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | No VC funding, so... | Nov 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | Short leash to many. Sell of dismantle... | Nov 14 18:37 |
schestowitz | Is it true we run out of companies? | Nov 14 18:38 |
schestowitz | I think it's the case if VC dries up | Nov 14 18:38 |
schestowitz | No investments in startups is like no birth | Nov 14 18:38 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 14 18:38 |
ender2070 | no startups is bad | Nov 14 18:38 |
schestowitz | Just bankruptcies and sweepups | Nov 14 18:38 |
ender2070 | less innovation | Nov 14 18:38 |
schestowitz | Maybe there will be another "baby boom" one day | Nov 14 18:38 |
schestowitz | Meaning, more new companies getting fund | Nov 14 18:38 |
schestowitz | *fund | Nov 14 18:39 |
schestowitz | *>funds | Nov 14 18:39 |
schestowitz | Also, there's this issue of population size | Nov 14 18:39 |
schestowitz | Oligarchs rightly want to downsize it | Nov 14 18:39 |
ender2070 | yes | Nov 14 18:39 |
schestowitz | Not a secret, not that it's not a problem, BUT... | Nov 14 18:39 |
schestowitz | Like in globalisation, it's the IMPLEMENTATION that matters | Nov 14 18:39 |
ender2070 | theres lots of conspiracy theorists who say the rich want to kill 2/3 of the population | Nov 14 18:39 |
schestowitz | Who gets to give more birth? | Nov 14 18:40 |
schestowitz | Will Gates and chums carry on spreading anti-birth (permanent) contraception means/ | Nov 14 18:40 |
schestowitz | So as to shrink the "less worthy of life" populations? | Nov 14 18:40 |
ender2070 | im more likely to think that they wont kill 2/3 the population, they will just geneticly engineer people into "roles" | Nov 14 18:40 |
ender2070 | like robots | Nov 14 18:40 |
schestowitz | They already put peril to birth through unemployment and lack of pension funds | Nov 14 18:40 |
schestowitz | I have friends who won't have kids with their wives cause of it | Nov 14 18:41 |
schestowitz | It's a crazy time to start families, and in a way, it provides a natural stage for a plan to be carries out, with the pretext of "recession" | Nov 14 18:41 |
schestowitz | *carried | Nov 14 18:41 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - yeah i saw a magazine which had the front cover which demonized having kids, it said things like "You won't have so much money" "No more time for yourself" "Your world ends after having a kid" | Nov 14 18:41 |
schestowitz | Or the ideas of babies = pollution | Nov 14 18:42 |
schestowitz | Did you see it? | Nov 14 18:42 |
ender2070 | it had an article that explained it wasnt a good idea to have kids anymore | Nov 14 18:42 |
schestowitz | I can't recall the source | Nov 14 18:42 |
schestowitz | Something about frowining upon birth | Nov 14 18:42 |
ender2070 | haven't seen babies = pollution | Nov 14 18:42 |
schestowitz | It can be promoted via films, culture, popular culture that is.... | Nov 14 18:42 |
ender2070 | i have seen people promote china's one child per family policy | Nov 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | Let me see if I can recall what I saw the campaign where babies=collusion | Nov 14 18:43 |
ender2070 | environmentalists also promote it | Nov 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | *pollusion | Nov 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | *pollution | Nov 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | Something along the lines of associating Halliburton with patriotism | Nov 14 18:43 |
ender2070 | some of the more extreme environmentalists suggest sterilization to protect the environment from overpopulation | Nov 14 18:43 |
schestowitz | And Coal with "Green" | Nov 14 18:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I am so bored I am reading my Dreamwidth friends page. STOP ME BEFORE I READ LIVEJOURNAL. | Nov 14 18:43 | |
schestowitz | ender2070: to clarify: | Nov 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | I think one child limitations are rational, BUT... | Nov 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | Who gets the exceptions? | Nov 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | That's the point. | Nov 14 18:44 |
ender2070 | i dont think they offer exceptions | Nov 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | By controlling birth you control proportions in ethnicity and class | Nov 14 18:44 |
schestowitz | [18:43] <ender2070> some of the more extreme environmentalists suggest sterilization to protect the environment from overpopulation | Nov 14 18:45 |
schestowitz | That is already implmented | Nov 14 18:45 |
schestowitz | Just not everywhere | Nov 14 18:45 |
schestowitz | Let me find some E-mails I got from India | Nov 14 18:45 |
ender2070 | oh india has an overpopulation issue | Nov 14 18:45 |
ender2070 | so did china | Nov 14 18:46 |
schestowitz | Not this one... http://www.hindu.com/2009/05/10/stories/2009051055151000.htm | Nov 14 18:46 |
ender2070 | population is probably one of the reasons why drug companies no longer offer cures | Nov 14 18:47 |
schestowitz | nm, I can't find it | Nov 14 18:47 |
schestowitz | Short story: | Nov 14 18:47 |
schestowitz | In India, Gates and chums promote birth reductions | Nov 14 18:47 |
schestowitz | including means of preventing fertility IIRC | Nov 14 18:47 |
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schestowitz | This can be done with dietary means too, FWIW (the Nazis did that) | Nov 14 18:48 |
ender2070 | GMO foods | Nov 14 18:48 |
schestowitz | What about them? | Nov 14 18:48 |
ender2070 | not providing the nutrients needed for healty semen | Nov 14 18:48 |
schestowitz | Fertility issues? | Nov 14 18:48 |
ender2070 | healthy* | Nov 14 18:48 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 14 18:48 |
schestowitz | There's a journal paper on it | Nov 14 18:48 |
schestowitz | Wait.. | Nov 14 18:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.ijsaf.org/archive/16/1/lotter1.pdf | Nov 14 18:50 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 14 18:50 |
schestowitz | http://www.ijsaf.org/archive/16/1/lotter2.pdf | Nov 14 18:50 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Nov 14 18:50 |
schestowitz | The Rockefeller crime family is in it too | Nov 14 18:51 |
schestowitz | The paper mentions and accuses the Gates Fund [sic] | Nov 14 18:51 |
schestowitz | I can find others like it, some critics will be dismissed as "just jealous" | Nov 14 18:52 |
ender2070 | Rockefeller funds a lot of movements | Nov 14 18:52 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091113/1254366925.shtml | Nov 14 18:52 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Switzerland Continues To Fight Google Street View; Takes Google To Court | Techdirt .::. Size~: 42.51 KB | Nov 14 18:52 |
schestowitz | ender2070: power to Rockefeller! (*literally) | Nov 14 18:53 |
schestowitz | Did you know that BillG funds NPR? | Nov 14 18:53 |
schestowitz | Later they praise him. He gets his money's worth. | Nov 14 18:53 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 18:54 |
ender2070 | Rockefellar is also responsible for US's money being handled by the federal reserve | Nov 14 18:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Consent will be required for cookies in Europe" http://ping.fm/CO6ZB | Nov 14 18:54 | |
schestowitz | http://gawker.com/5403691/fox-news-declares-cyberwar-on-liberal-blogosphere | Nov 14 18:57 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Fox News Declares Cyberwar on Liberal Blogosphere - CyberWarfare - Gawker .::. Size~: 65.76 KB | Nov 14 18:57 |
schestowitz | Ping services f*. http://identi.ca/notice/14666223 "@grahamperrin thanks for telling me. Maybe I should stop using ping.fm" | Nov 14 19:01 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz) 's status on Saturday, 14-Nov-09 18:55:45 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.91 KB | Nov 14 19:01 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : u might be interested : http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/507819 | Nov 14 19:03 |
phIRCe-local | Title: SecurityFocus .::. Size~: 23.41 KB | Nov 14 19:03 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: I've upgraded my 3 WordPRess blogs | Nov 14 19:07 |
ender2070 | i got 2.8.6 already too | Nov 14 19:08 |
schestowitz | Yes | Nov 14 19:08 |
schestowitz | trmanco should upgrade also | Nov 14 19:08 |
trmanco | I did | Nov 14 19:09 |
schestowitz | He usually notices these early | Nov 14 19:09 |
trmanco | I may have been living under a rock, but I upgraded the day it was released | Nov 14 19:09 |
schestowitz | Upgraded to a nice lady from Facebook? :-) | Nov 14 19:09 |
ender2070 | wordpress's dashboard usually lists updates | Nov 14 19:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Architects plan to build giant cock in Hoxton, East London http://is.gd/4UYPh AUGH MY EYES | Nov 14 19:10 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Squire & Partners' cylindrical hotel plan revealed - Building Design .::. Size~: 44.98 KB | Nov 14 19:10 |
schestowitz | trmanco had a vulnerability exploited | Nov 14 19:11 |
trmanco | yeah | Nov 14 19:11 |
trmanco | I need to rewrite my love module | Nov 14 19:11 |
ender2070 | oh for sure, just for hanging out in here I bet | Nov 14 19:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz we were discussing this at work. standard disclaimer boilerplate will evolve in a week at most and life will continue. | Nov 14 19:11 | |
trmanco | she found the vuln and made up an exploit, but she never gave it to me :S | Nov 14 19:12 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 19:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard quite the eyesore | Nov 14 19:13 | |
schestowitz | Sybian scared: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/11/13/samsung-says-it-still-supports-symbian-115875-21819372/ | Nov 14 19:14 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Samsung says it still supports Symbian - mirror.co.uk .::. Size~: 111.01 KB | Nov 14 19:14 |
schestowitz | *Symbian | Nov 14 19:14 |
schestowitz | Make an API for the love module | Nov 14 19:15 |
schestowitz | *trmanco: Make an API for the love module | Nov 14 19:15 |
trmanco | it's worse | Nov 14 19:15 |
schestowitz | Tie it to a licence that's GPL-like | Nov 14 19:16 |
trmanco | there is even a bigger risk of it being exploited | Nov 14 19:16 |
_Hicham_ | gcc schestowitz.cs -o schestowitz.exe -I$(BN_CFLAGS) -L$(BN_LIBS) | Nov 14 19:16 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 19:17 |
ender2070 | .exe ? | Nov 14 19:17 |
schestowitz | A "viral" API would breed STDs | Nov 14 19:17 |
schestowitz | trmanco: work out a condition (licence) | Nov 14 19:18 |
schestowitz | Not a waiver | Nov 14 19:18 |
schestowitz | MinceR said something funny last week, about marriage being a leverage of higher exit cost (lock-in) | Nov 14 19:18 |
schestowitz | Many couples stay together of convenience (or conversely, the inconvenience/impossibility of separation) | Nov 14 19:19 |
schestowitz | Windows is Winning!!!!!!!1111111 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39877964,00.htm | Nov 14 19:20 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Top stories - ZDNet UK News .::. Size~: 118.5 KB | Nov 14 19:20 |
*trmanco Unknown Module: Marriage | Nov 14 19:22 | |
MinceR | windows has won the approval of zdnet's editors? | Nov 14 19:22 |
MinceR | well, i never! | Nov 14 19:22 |
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DaemonFC | I got OpenSuse working :) | Nov 14 19:22 |
schestowitz | OpenBallnux more like.. | Nov 14 19:23 |
ender2070 | Bloatnux | Nov 14 19:23 |
DaemonFC | seems smoother than Ubuntu actually | Nov 14 19:23 |
ender2070 | ;) | Nov 14 19:23 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu had lots of visual tearing | Nov 14 19:24 |
DaemonFC | Compiz glitches | Nov 14 19:24 |
schestowitz | Here is Ballmer's reaction to DaemonFC choosing OpenSUSE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc | Nov 14 19:24 |
MinceR | i prefer to call it Microsoft Linux, OpenSuSE Edition | Nov 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: does it use PluseAudio? | Nov 14 19:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yes | Nov 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | I haven't looked closely at how they build it (what with) | Nov 14 19:25 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: you mean vsync was not enabled? :> | Nov 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | Do they do it right? | Nov 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | Unlike Ubuntu? | Nov 14 19:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, It just seems...faster somehow | Nov 14 19:25 |
DaemonFC | yeah, haven't had any audio glitches either so far | Nov 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | PluseAudio's dev is PISSED OFF with Ubuntu giving his s/w a bad name | Nov 14 19:25 |
MinceR | how heavy loads did you have? | Nov 14 19:25 |
ender2070 | i've used all the distro's | Nov 14 19:25 |
ender2070 | fedora is the one i stuck with | Nov 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu beats Fedora, shows Phoronic | Nov 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | *nix | Nov 14 19:26 |
DaemonFC | Mincer, all I've thrown at it so far is system sounds, music, I've fired up Prey and Sauerbraten | Nov 14 19:26 |
ender2070 | not in 3d | Nov 14 19:26 |
DaemonFC | all worked fine | Nov 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | !google phoronix ubuntu 9.10 fedora 12 beta | Nov 14 19:26 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - [Phoronix] Fedora 12 Beta To Come Next Week | http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php%3Fview%3D14269 | Nov 14 19:26 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - [Phoronix] Fedora 12 Beta Released | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DNzYyMA | Nov 14 19:26 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - Fedora 12 vs. Ubuntu 9.10 Benchmarks ?!? - Linux Archive | http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-development/275333-fedora-12-vs-ubuntu-9-10-benchmarks.html | Nov 14 19:26 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - Links on "Phoronix" | Facebook | http://www.facebook.com/posted.php%3Fid%3D96958258209%26share_id%3D191767925254%26comments%3D1 | Nov 14 19:26 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu 9.10 has audio glitches and video glitches | Nov 14 19:26 |
DaemonFC | I'm using an AMD motherboard and a RadeonHD 4670 | Nov 14 19:26 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu likes to distort and click, especially the sounds Pidgin makes | Nov 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | RadeonHD=novell | Nov 14 19:27 |
DaemonFC | so far, OpenSuse is working dandy | Nov 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | Not much news from it recently | Nov 14 19:27 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Fedora has been expanding on it | Nov 14 19:27 |
DaemonFC | adding better 3d support | Nov 14 19:27 |
ender2070 | i love how ubuntu forces me to use adobe flash w/ firefox | Nov 14 19:27 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, It doesn't | Nov 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: we should promote Mandriva though | Nov 14 19:27 |
schestowitz | Not Ubuntu (sorry, jono ) | Nov 14 19:28 |
DaemonFC | it offers you Adobe, GNASH, or Swfdec | Nov 14 19:28 |
ender2070 | you've tried 9.10? | Nov 14 19:28 |
ender2070 | it never asked me | Nov 14 19:28 |
ender2070 | (kubuntu) | Nov 14 19:28 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Yes, it's yucky on this box | Nov 14 19:28 |
DaemonFC | I put up with it for about a day and now I'm on OpenSuse 11.2 | Nov 14 19:28 |
DaemonFC | out of curiousity | Nov 14 19:28 |
ender2070 | i used the fancy firefox install program they made, perhaps it does it | Nov 14 19:28 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Yeah, Kubuntu's Firefox installer leaves a copy of Firefox with some glitches | Nov 14 19:29 |
ender2070 | kubuntu 9.10, not ubuntu | Nov 14 19:29 |
MinceR | ender2070: you can even switch between flavors of Trash you have installed on debian-based systems | Nov 14 19:29 |
MinceR | including ubuntu | Nov 14 19:29 |
DaemonFC | flash buttons may also be unclickable | Nov 14 19:29 |
ender2070 | i ran into that | Nov 14 19:29 |
schestowitz | ender2070: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3848441/Fedora+12+Linux+Tackles+Virtualization.htm | Nov 14 19:29 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Fedora 12 Linux Tackles Virtualization - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 148.75 KB | Nov 14 19:29 |
ender2070 | the flash buttons | Nov 14 19:29 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, They've really worked on OpenSuse | Nov 14 19:29 |
schestowitz | Who needs virtualisation without server of backwards OSes? | Nov 14 19:29 |
DaemonFC | I mean, major overhaul, it's gotten a lot better | Nov 14 19:29 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - whats wrong with them and virtualization? | Nov 14 19:30 |
schestowitz | Nothing. | Nov 14 19:30 |
schestowitz | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/11/13/first-google-go-programme-is-a-twitter-app-115875-21819449/ | Nov 14 19:32 |
phIRCe-local | Title: First Google Go programme is&a Twitter app! - mirror.co.uk .::. Size~: 105.51 KB | Nov 14 19:32 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - oh okay, Fedora 12 includes a lot of ground breaking stuff | Nov 14 19:32 |
DaemonFC | yeah, Fedora 12 has FOSS 3d support for the Radeon 4000 series | Nov 14 19:33 |
DaemonFC | so it's possible to run a recent GPU with no binary driver | Nov 14 19:33 |
ender2070 | Fed 12 doesn't support non-foss | Nov 14 19:33 |
DaemonFC | RPM Fusion does | Nov 14 19:33 |
DaemonFC | that's where you have to go for a lot of stuff | Nov 14 19:33 |
ender2070 | they won't fix bugs exclusive to the binary blobs | Nov 14 19:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] LOL Timmy (Smith) and The Lords of the Underground, seems to be obsessed with me, since I've released "The Free Software Song". | Nov 14 19:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google should do OGG, not GO. Why is Google doing so little for open/libre media? | Nov 14 19:33 | |
ender2070 | RPM Fusion isn't Redhat | Nov 14 19:33 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, They shouldn't be expected to | Nov 14 19:34 |
DaemonFC | no source, no right to modify it, not their bug | Nov 14 19:34 |
ender2070 | i know | Nov 14 19:34 |
DaemonFC | why would they be responsible to fix it? | Nov 14 19:34 |
ender2070 | fix other stuff | Nov 14 19:34 |
ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk | Nov 14 19:35 |
ender2070 | Ballmer sells windows1.0 | Nov 14 19:35 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, OpenSuse 11.2 ditches one Mono app actually | Nov 14 19:35 |
DaemonFC | No Monsoon, they switched to Transmission by default | Nov 14 19:35 |
ender2070 | ewww | Nov 14 19:36 |
ender2070 | transmission in kde? | Nov 14 19:36 |
DaemonFC | in GNOME | Nov 14 19:36 |
ender2070 | default is kde | Nov 14 19:36 |
DaemonFC | but there is a transmission for QT | Nov 14 19:36 |
DaemonFC | I dunno, they probably use Ktorrent there | Nov 14 19:36 |
MinceR | Qt apps work under Gnome just fine | Nov 14 19:36 |
ender2070 | yes they do | Nov 14 19:37 |
ender2070 | and vice verca | Nov 14 19:37 |
MinceR | indeed | Nov 14 19:37 |
ender2070 | but they often look out of place | Nov 14 19:37 |
ender2070 | or aren't as well integrated | Nov 14 19:37 |
ender2070 | look at the work novell had to do to make firefox integrate with kde | Nov 14 19:40 |
DaemonFC | http://www.smolts.org/client/show_all/pub_6decc35b-eada-4ae9-8f0a-3052edf2bcf2 | Nov 14 19:42 |
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schestowitz | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/news-roundup-131109/ | Nov 14 19:56 |
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schestowitz | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/make-google-picasa-look-nicer-in-ubuntu.html | Nov 14 20:02 |
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schestowitz | Hmmmm... better just use gnash? http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/11/improve-adobe-flash-performance.html | Nov 14 20:03 |
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schestowitz | http://www.roverpundit.com/images/linux.jpg | Nov 14 20:11 |
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schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29291/1066/ | Nov 14 20:17 |
schestowitz | "A new species of dinosaur that is similar to the gigantic sauropods has been discovered in a game reserve in central South Africa. The discovery by the team, led by a U.S. paleobiologist from Western Illinois University, helps to better define the period before the beginning of the sauropod." | Nov 14 20:17 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Tweeting for 8 months, 3 days, 13 hours, 4 minutes, 5 seconds (March 12, 2009). How about you? http://bit.ly/eC942 | Nov 14 20:35 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/News/Commercial-Editor-UltraEdit-Now-Also-for-Linux "commrcial" = not gratis | Nov 14 20:38 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Commercial Editor UltraEdit Now Also for Linux / News / Online / Home - Ubuntu User .::. Size~: 17.07 KB | Nov 14 20:38 |
schestowitz | Another miscomphrenasion | Nov 14 20:39 |
schestowitz | As if Free software is not suitable for commerce | Nov 14 20:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: School head: Boys should be "realistic" about careers and fatherhood http://is.gd/4V1xu | Nov 14 20:39 | |
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ender2070 | nah, ultraedit is used on windows a lot | Nov 14 20:40 |
ender2070 | they are catering to windows users | Nov 14 20:40 |
ender2070 | ohh | Nov 14 20:41 |
ender2070 | they are selling packages for nix | Nov 14 20:41 |
ender2070 | how awesome | Nov 14 20:42 |
ender2070 | code highlighting is impressive | Nov 14 20:43 |
ender2070 | </sarcasm> | Nov 14 20:43 |
schestowitz | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/11/12/debian-black-out/ | Nov 14 20:45 |
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schestowitz | ender2070: tons of Fedora news today | Nov 14 20:45 |
schestowitz | Will post news shortly.. | Nov 14 20:45 |
schestowitz | ender2070: kate does excellent code highlighting | Nov 14 20:46 |
schestowitz | It's almost the only editor I ever use for anything | Nov 14 20:46 |
schestowitz | [Except some mailing programs like Thunderbird, which I don't use much anyway] | Nov 14 20:47 |
ender2070 | kate kicks ass | Nov 14 20:47 |
ender2070 | thats what I use too | Nov 14 20:47 |
schestowitz | But... | Nov 14 20:47 |
ender2070 | I use kmail w/ google imap too | Nov 14 20:48 |
schestowitz | I'm waiting for its new feature | Nov 14 20:48 |
ender2070 | pwnage.ca has google for domains | Nov 14 20:48 |
schestowitz | Christian (is that the lead dev) implmented inline spellcheck | Nov 14 20:48 |
schestowitz | It's not in my build yet | Nov 14 20:48 |
ender2070 | nice | Nov 14 20:48 |
schestowitz | I've been waiting this for years | Nov 14 20:48 |
schestowitz | Found some people in KDE forums who requested the same featureset | Nov 14 20:49 |
ender2070 | spellcheck is good and bad at the same time | Nov 14 20:49 |
schestowitz | http://dr-bhai.com/2009/11/14/did-the-economic-meltdown-set-the-perfect-launch-time-for-linux-desktops/ | Nov 14 20:49 |
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schestowitz | I made the mistake of using kwrite _For years_ in SuSE | Nov 14 20:49 |
MinceR | gvim owns all text editors :> | Nov 14 20:50 |
ender2070 | I found my spelling skills dropped after years of spellcheck | Nov 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | spellchecker false positives, yes... | Nov 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | That's why I loathe some grammar checker | Nov 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | Be artistic w/ language and have some ugly underlines text that reduces signal | Nov 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | But OOo has grammar checker | Nov 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | IIRC, in 3.2 it won't be a plugin but part of trunk | Nov 14 20:50 |
schestowitz | [20:50] <ender2070> I found my spelling skills dropped after years of spellcheck | Nov 14 20:51 |
schestowitz | There's that too | Nov 14 20:51 |
ender2070 | thats the bad | Nov 14 20:51 |
schestowitz | Laziness leads to fixing without actually learning the mistake | Nov 14 20:51 |
schestowitz | Some words I still rely on spellchecker to fix for me | Nov 14 20:52 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 14 20:52 |
ender2070 | I'd be retarded if it weren't for spellcheck | Nov 14 20:52 |
schestowitz | Like acquiescence | Nov 14 20:52 |
ender2070 | people ask me to spell words and I can't tell them quite often, unless its easy | Nov 14 20:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] :) ♻ @cenourinha: RT @lycosman @cenourinha lool RT @patriciagneves: LOl! RT @armindo: As cenouras sao tramadas! http://twitpic.com/piyu5 | Nov 14 20:52 | |
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schestowitz | Words with French origins are counter intuitive sometimes, names also | Nov 14 20:53 |
schestowitz | I copy and paste names even if it takes longer than typing it | Nov 14 20:53 |
schestowitz | Reduces chance of insulting the person | Nov 14 20:53 |
schestowitz | Turns out other people do the same, learned the hard way what happens when misspellings are applied to an actual person | Nov 14 20:54 |
schestowitz | http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2009-11.html#e2009-11-13T13_20_59.txt | Nov 14 20:58 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 21:05 |
ender2070 | I had no idea oom-killer existed | Nov 14 21:05 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu may have dropped the ball.. http://www.cubicgarden.com/blojsom/blog/cubicgarden/technology/computing/?permalink=The-yin-and-yang-of-Ubuntu-9-10.html | Nov 14 21:05 |
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schestowitz | Let's hope Fedora of Mandriva pick up the ball now | Nov 14 21:05 |
schestowitz | 9.10 seems good, but reviews show it lagging | Nov 14 21:05 |
schestowitz | http://linuxbsdos.com/2009/11/13/ubuntu-9-10-live-cd-and-mandriva-one-2010-reviewed-and-compared/ | Nov 14 21:06 |
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ender2070 | sounds like the guy had a laptop that isnt entierly compatible in the first place | Nov 14 21:07 |
ender2070 | he had to use some hack to get suspend working prior to 9.10 | Nov 14 21:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/11/13/open-source-media-center-boxee-will-ship-on-retail-device | Nov 14 21:09 |
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ender2070 | boxee :) | Nov 14 21:09 |
schestowitz | ender2070: yeah, but it workefd before, no? | Nov 14 21:09 |
schestowitz | I read it fast | Nov 14 21:09 |
schestowitz | If it works in 9.04, then upgrade should keep it running | Nov 14 21:10 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - he upgraded 9.04 to 9.10 with the hack script in place | Nov 14 21:10 |
schestowitz | Yeah, better to install freshly, I guess | Nov 14 21:10 |
ender2070 | unless the hack script was using something that was changed or moved | Nov 14 21:10 |
schestowitz | I just stick with what works | Nov 14 21:10 |
schestowitz | I upgrade when there's a compelling reason, like KDE 4.3 being out | Nov 14 21:10 |
schestowitz | I used 4.3 in alpha of Ubuntu | Nov 14 21:10 |
ender2070 | i like trying stuff out | Nov 14 21:10 |
schestowitz | It seemed the most mature option at the time, DaemonFC tested it out and gave a nod | Nov 14 21:10 |
ender2070 | I've used 4.3 in F11 since a week after release | Nov 14 21:11 |
schestowitz | ender2070: I can't try too much stuff out cause it takes me a long time to get my stuff up and running | Nov 14 21:11 |
schestowitz | Like half a day at least, including some messing about that ain't idle (can't go away to pass time) | Nov 14 21:11 |
schestowitz | In the past I could grab /home/roy/ | Nov 14 21:12 |
ender2070 | i've gotten used to reinstalling | Nov 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | But not in KDE3->KDE4 | Nov 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | I didn't quite try | Nov 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | They changed config files | Nov 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | So I did it selectively | Nov 14 21:12 |
ender2070 | I keep all my stuff on a file server in my home | Nov 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | Passing .<program> directories one at a time to preserve settings | Nov 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | Mostly worked fine | Nov 14 21:12 |
ender2070 | i use xmarks in firefox for bookmarks | Nov 14 21:12 |
schestowitz | Firefox sync is simple | Nov 14 21:13 |
schestowitz | Many options for it | Nov 14 21:13 |
ender2070 | i dont care much for the settings of other programs | Nov 14 21:13 |
schestowitz | I used to export my links from browsers | Nov 14 21:13 |
schestowitz | Before Google made these less valuable, obviated them cause it's cheaper to just search | Nov 14 21:13 |
schestowitz | ender2070: you ought to care | Nov 14 21:13 |
schestowitz | It's nice when I can use a program like knode without setting it up again | Nov 14 21:14 |
ender2070 | knode? | Nov 14 21:14 |
ender2070 | ahh | Nov 14 21:14 |
schestowitz | Just swapping ~/.kde/apps/share/knode or whatever it was (from memory) | Nov 14 21:14 |
ender2070 | i just started using kmail, ill probably back it up | Nov 14 21:14 |
schestowitz | Same for .ssh .gimp (if same version) .mozilla | Nov 14 21:14 |
schestowitz | kmail goes into ~/mail , no? | Nov 14 21:15 |
ender2070 | i dont need settings for that stuff | Nov 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | With settings under .kde | Nov 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | Does it still use maildir by default? | Nov 14 21:15 |
ender2070 | im not sure | Nov 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | I quite it for THunderbird in 2004 | Nov 14 21:15 |
ender2070 | i just started using it | Nov 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | *quit | Nov 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | ThunderBird 3 is out soon | Nov 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | I use it the most | Nov 14 21:15 |
ender2070 | i've been using mostly firefox for everything | Nov 14 21:15 |
ender2070 | webmail | Nov 14 21:15 |
schestowitz | Use ThunderBrowse if you use feeds | Nov 14 21:16 |
schestowitz | Which I do a lot, RSS | Nov 14 21:16 |
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schestowitz | I'm gonna watch some more "everything is OK". It's a good laugh. | Nov 14 21:17 |
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ender2070 | gmail spoiled me | Nov 14 21:18 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 21:19 |
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFS1gZbenPg&feature=related (Everything is OK 7 - The Peaceful Edition) | Nov 14 21:25 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Russian #Police officer blows whistle on #corruption, may he rest in peace http://ur1.ca/fsdh | Nov 14 21:26 | |
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Aondo | they're quite funny | Nov 14 21:26 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 21:28 |
ender2070 | what was the montage one | Nov 14 21:28 |
schestowitz | ender2070: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/11/14/everything-is-ok/ | Nov 14 21:29 |
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schestowitz | Mostly taking the piss of UK police though | Nov 14 21:29 |
schestowitz | I saw similar USian ones, but not as funny and gentle | Nov 14 21:30 |
schestowitz | Checkpoints challenged | Nov 14 21:30 |
ender2070 | ROFL | Nov 14 21:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I received this in an email... from my Dad... [PIC]: http://digg.com/d319zAJ?t | Nov 14 21:41 | |
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ender2070 | "are you a terrorist?" "oh course you say no, thats exactly what a terrorist would say" | Nov 14 21:43 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, That's from the Simpsons, right? | Nov 14 21:44 |
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ender2070 | lol | Nov 14 21:48 |
ender2070 | its from the vid that was linked | Nov 14 21:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Ricochet days. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/20042.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/533862.html | Nov 14 21:49 | |
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PeterKraus | do - | Nov 14 21:55 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dock Ellis pitching on #LSD http://ur1.ca/fsev | Nov 14 22:01 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Jogar poker, alguem mais quer? | Nov 14 22:16 | |
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schestowitz | OK, done, finally: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/14/fedora-12-imminent/ | Nov 14 23:04 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] LOL DZRT OMFG... voltaram os "sobremesa" LOL | Nov 14 23:07 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Podiam mudar o nome para BZOF | Nov 14 23:09 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @charltonbrooker If machines ever DO rise up & kill us, they'll probably be Apple-branded hugbots we invited into our homes. | Nov 14 23:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Buffalo Soldier, Dreadlock Rasta... \o/ | Nov 14 23:16 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Dreadie, woy yoy yoy, woy yoy-yoy yoy, Woy yoy yoy yoy, yoy yoy-yoy yoy! Woy yoy yoy, woy yoy-yoy yoy, Woy yoy yoy yoy, yoy yoy-yoy yoy! | Nov 14 23:17 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Bob Marely - Buffalo Soldier" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gcrej | Nov 14 23:17 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Limp Bizkit - Behind Blue Eyes" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gcrrl | Nov 14 23:25 | |
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*MinceR is listening to: Skaven - Catch That Goblin!! | Nov 14 23:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Limp Bizkit - Nookie" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gcrtg | Nov 14 23:26 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Self Esteem - The offspring" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gcrv8 | Nov 14 23:27 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "The Offspring - You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gcry8 | Nov 14 23:29 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Bob Marley Three little birds HD (Original)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~gcs6q | Nov 14 23:34 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] "Don't worry a-bout a thing, 'cause ev-ry little thing gonna be all right." | Nov 14 23:35 | |
*MinceR is listening to: Purple Motion - Shadowrun | Nov 14 23:35 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ping.fm has proven to be slow, problematic, and people complained. I'll just post from Plasma now. | Nov 14 23:37 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Comer algo... | Nov 14 23:38 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: feeling better yet? | Nov 14 23:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Ripe for Growth in Desktops http://ur1.ca/fsjq http://ur1.ca/fsjr | Nov 14 23:42 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Visuals for Spicing up One's #GNU #Linux Desktop http://ur1.ca/fsjt http://ur1.ca/fsju | Nov 14 23:44 | |
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trmanco | schestowitz: yeah | Nov 14 23:45 |
trmanco | a bit | Nov 14 23:45 |
trmanco | I met a new girl today on facebook | Nov 14 23:45 |
*trmanco thinks he said this already | Nov 14 23:46 | |
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schestowitz | Yes, you did | Nov 14 23:46 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Wants #Linux -based Replacement for #HTTP http://bit.ly/2MTDGX | Nov 14 23:46 | |
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schestowitz | That's good to hear anyway | Nov 14 23:46 |
schestowitz | trmanco: watch the "everything is OK" videos. I think they may cheer you up some more. | Nov 14 23:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #Linux -based Desktop OS Rumoured to be Days Away http://ur1.ca/fsk0 http://ur1.ca/fsk1 | Nov 14 23:48 | |
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trmanco | will do | Nov 14 23:49 |
schestowitz | Cool. There's over 10 videos | Nov 14 23:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux Happy in #Nepali http://bit.ly/4nPaW6 | Nov 14 23:51 | |
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schestowitz | wb, _Hicham_ | Nov 14 23:56 |
*schestowitz hands drink to _Hicham_ | Nov 14 23:56 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical Targets Server via #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/fskb http://ur1.ca/fskc | Nov 14 23:56 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Overview of #Linux 2.6.32, Release Near (Now RC7) http://ur1.ca/fskf http://ur1.ca/fskg | Nov 14 23:59 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Cracked summary of prog rock is 110% accurate. http://tinyurl.com/ykng5ap HT @rosefox | Nov 14 23:59 | |
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