| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After all the hype, Microsoft Windows 7 advert? http://tinyurl.com/amy7pb #microsoft #vista #windows7 #xp #windows #fail | Nov 25 00:01 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: what's that about? | Nov 25 00:09 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: its for an upcomming article.... | Nov 25 00:14 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: "I did it my way" - a look at MS and "their way" | Nov 25 00:14 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: with a few revelations about what "their way" actually is.... | Nov 25 00:14 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: the lyrics are very fitting I think for Windows... | Nov 25 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Oh, Sinatra... | Nov 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Actually, whose song was it originally? | Nov 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | The composer... | Nov 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Nov 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Another tactoid for you | Nov 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | In 2006 (maybe 07) BillG was dancing stupidly at some party to the song My Way | Nov 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe he was singing it | Nov 25 00:19 |
| schestowitz | It was reported by a major paper like Forbes and it was embarrassing | Nov 25 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Relevance: | Nov 25 00:20 |
| schestowitz | One Way Microsoft | Nov 25 00:20 |
| schestowitz | And the idea of BillG choosing the message "I did it my way" | Nov 25 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Similar to 2pac's "Me Against the World" | Nov 25 00:20 |
| schestowitz | "it's just me against the world, baby!" | Nov 25 00:20 |
| schestowitz | W3C established standards | Nov 25 00:21 |
| schestowitz | BilLG: "I did it my way" [activeX] | Nov 25 00:21 |
| schestowitz | SUN made x-platform [Java] | Nov 25 00:21 |
| schestowitz | BillG: "I did it my way" [.NET/XAML/etc] | Nov 25 00:21 |
| _goblin | Its been a busy few days for me.... | Nov 25 00:21 |
| schestowitz | It's an issue associated with control freaks | Nov 25 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Only /HIS/ way can be right | Nov 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | So it becomes a matter of ego | Nov 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | If it's not done Bill's way, then he has to prove it's wrong | Nov 25 00:22 |
| _goblin | Need to try and get hold of Andre......I want his input on this piece... | Nov 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | it gives him that warm Hubris feeling deep inside | Nov 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Inferiority complex... for geeks | Nov 25 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Did Andre find another Sugar Daddy? | Nov 25 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Or just Suga Babes? | Nov 25 00:23 |
| _goblin | lol | Nov 25 00:23 |
| _goblin | he's pimping the ipod at the moment | Nov 25 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 25 00:23 |
| _goblin | of course Ive got money where thats going..... | Nov 25 00:23 |
| _goblin | Zune comes out....Andre gets one.... | Nov 25 00:23 |
| _goblin | and then say its better "because I have both, I should know" | Nov 25 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Better than Da Costa pimpin' on the Red Light | Nov 25 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, typical | Nov 25 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft boosters install Gentoo | Nov 25 00:24 |
| schestowitz | And then talk about how WIndows is all so much easier | Nov 25 00:24 |
| _goblin | I am not sure why MS keep trying with Zune.... | Nov 25 00:24 |
| schestowitz | FLOSS Weekly sold out to Ford for advertising... now does that fake recommendation routine for Zunes and iPods | Nov 25 00:25 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: mobile | Nov 25 00:25 |
| schestowitz | They can't avoid gadgets, that's why | Nov 25 00:25 |
| _goblin | but then again, their Q figures are going to be boosted by all the people needing to buy a new 360 after the switchoff. | Nov 25 00:25 |
| schestowitz | They even bought Danger | Nov 25 00:25 |
| schestowitz | SideKick major fail | Nov 25 00:25 |
| schestowitz | They want RIM | Nov 25 00:25 |
| _goblin | oh roy, have a really (sad) link to give you about the power of computer games.................... | Nov 25 00:26 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: BTW, the UK has been following US direction a lot recently | Nov 25 00:26 |
| schestowitz | If you care about Law, which I have reason to suspect you do, then it's worth looking into | Nov 25 00:27 |
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| _goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgn2jugK_Hk | Nov 25 00:27 |
| schestowitz | It's turning more into a pseudo-fascist prelude with all that eavesdropping on dissent | Nov 25 00:27 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: will watch it in a moment. | Nov 25 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I wanna post in COLA for a bit | Nov 25 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Second time today, | Nov 25 00:28 |
| _goblin | the US thing you mentioned.... | Nov 25 00:28 |
| schestowitz | They assimilate laws using the excuse that laws need be uniform... so France gets ISP laws that now pass to UK and US | Nov 25 00:29 |
| _goblin | but copyright law is slightly different..... | Nov 25 00:29 |
| _goblin | it needs to be uniform otherwise it can't work.... | Nov 25 00:29 |
| _goblin | as TPB detractors found out... | Nov 25 00:29 |
| schestowitz | It was the same with DMCA | Nov 25 00:30 |
| schestowitz | ACTA now hastens it | Nov 25 00:30 |
| _goblin | just shift the server to a country with different laws... | Nov 25 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Watch this new one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZA0qNsf4m0&feature=player_embedded# | Nov 25 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Uniform HOW? | Nov 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | That's the question? | Nov 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Whose laws dominate? | Nov 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Who is spreading and who is accepting? | Nov 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | It's usually Hollywood maximalism over rights of Net users | Nov 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Law should not be accepted blindly... nor should it be ignored | Nov 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | But if it's ignored for making no sense, then it means it needs to be modified | Nov 25 00:31 |
| _goblin | ok....lets put this question forward..... | Nov 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | As Lessig shrewdly points out | Nov 25 00:31 |
| schestowitz | and ORG too | Nov 25 00:31 |
| _goblin | if copyright laws are archaic and "data is merely data"..... | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Who are laws for? | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | The rulers? | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | The people? | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Economics? | Nov 25 00:32 |
| _goblin | yes. | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Maximisation of output? | Nov 25 00:32 |
| _goblin | all three | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | So... | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | It's already more complex | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | People are brainwashed in school for a lot of copyright | Nov 25 00:32 |
| _goblin | without commercialism would we see COD, GTA and the blockbuster releases? | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | It's a monopoly for those in power of literature and arts | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Not singers | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Not authors | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Publishers | Nov 25 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Moguls | Nov 25 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Record companies... | Nov 25 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Including those possessing material of now-deceased people | Nov 25 00:33 |
| _goblin | this will upset you (maybe)........ | Nov 25 00:33 |
| _goblin | Conformity, obedience, compliance is all needed in our society..... | Nov 25 00:33 |
| _goblin | why? | Nov 25 00:33 |
| _goblin | because..... | Nov 25 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Why not have patents last for 100 years too? | Nov 25 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Riddle me this. | Nov 25 00:34 |
| _goblin | (I assume you are a scientist? | Nov 25 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 25 00:34 |
| _goblin | look at any colony of insects/animals..... | Nov 25 00:34 |
| _goblin | do they not all conform.... | Nov 25 00:34 |
| _goblin | in order to be sucessfull? | Nov 25 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Well, I majored in math, physics, CS | Nov 25 00:34 |
| _goblin | ants....bees.....wolves | Nov 25 00:34 |
| schestowitz | It's not about conformity | Nov 25 00:35 |
| schestowitz | It's /collaboration/ | Nov 25 00:35 |
| schestowitz | They work on common goals | Nov 25 00:35 |
| _goblin | agreed | Nov 25 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Environment too needs that constraint | Nov 25 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Else we're battling for personal extremities | Nov 25 00:35 |
| _goblin | and in working to those common goals, the ant builds the nest.... | Nov 25 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Like maximising a company's output of oil | Nov 25 00:35 |
| _goblin | bees the hive... | Nov 25 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Ant colonies don't have that | Nov 25 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Unless they are divided upon themselves | Nov 25 00:35 |
| _goblin | but don't they service the queen? | Nov 25 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Ants have no monopolies | Nov 25 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Or "royalties" | Nov 25 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Added value makes income | Nov 25 00:36 |
| _goblin | no but isnt that just an extension of human progress... | Nov 25 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I could sell you a good pair of shoes based on some common knowledge | Nov 25 00:36 |
| schestowitz | The "Commons" | Nov 25 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Actually, human progress did not always come from patents | Nov 25 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Before patents cloning was a common thing. | Nov 25 00:37 |
| _goblin | and isn't greed the driving force behind some of the greatest discoveries of man... | Nov 25 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Not really _goblin | Nov 25 00:37 |
| _goblin | the desire to do something better faster cheeper... | Nov 25 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Good literature came from what we now know as a repeat "copyright infringer" (Shakespeare) | Nov 25 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Greed is behind the destruction of most of our greatest discoveries. | Nov 25 00:37 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: common respect | Nov 25 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Like in tribes | Nov 25 00:38 |
| _goblin | of course you can't blanket it with simple statements....exceptions.... | Nov 25 00:38 |
| schestowitz | For some people in Western society, money became a God | Nov 25 00:38 |
| _goblin | what about your personal data.... | Nov 25 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Like how to make docks that are tidal dredged _goblin | Nov 25 00:38 |
| _goblin | what about T-Mobile customers... | Nov 25 00:38 |
| schestowitz | So people throw numbers out there, even those who are scientists-turned-businessmen | Nov 25 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Businessman rarely invent much | Nov 25 00:38 |
| schestowitz | They manage | Nov 25 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Lot of tech has been lost over the centerys due to greed _goblin | Nov 25 00:38 |
| _goblin | very true... | Nov 25 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie this provides us with and advantage. | Nov 25 00:39 |
| oiaohm | So we let no one else have it. | Nov 25 00:39 |
| _goblin | but the driving force behind man has always been that of aquisition....IMO | Nov 25 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Electric car....... | Nov 25 00:39 |
| oiaohm | they human greed causes war. | Nov 25 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Novelty... | Nov 25 00:39 |
| schestowitz | But not good for major polluters with thirst form oil.. | Nov 25 00:39 |
| oiaohm | So killing the people who invented good stuff _goblin | Nov 25 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Just coal maybe. | Nov 25 00:39 |
| oiaohm | So we loss the tech _goblin | Nov 25 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Luddites are not mere farmers | Nov 25 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Or the people who create the tech keep it secrect and when they die we lose it as _w | Nov 25 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Some of today's most ruthless and richest people are the Luddites | Nov 25 00:40 |
| oiaohm | as well _goblin | Nov 25 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Like the Rockefellers. Earlier I found out about their AstroTurfs for energy | Nov 25 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Greed is harmful. | Nov 25 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Earlier today that was | Nov 25 00:40 |
| _goblin | let me put this question to you then: | Nov 25 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Patent system was designed to stop greedy people keeping stuff secret. | Nov 25 00:40 |
| *schestowitz all ears | Nov 25 00:40 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I beg your pardon?? | Nov 25 00:41 |
| _goblin | what would your solution be? I tend to go down the direction of compliance, conformity...... | Nov 25 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Now the patent system is being abused by greed. | Nov 25 00:41 |
| schestowitz | [citation needed] | Nov 25 00:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it was designed to protect inventors and increase innovation | Nov 25 00:41 |
| schestowitz | That's the myth anyway | Nov 25 00:41 |
| oiaohm | At the time current patent system started. Lot of black smiths and the like had trade secrets schestowitz | Nov 25 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Not to encourage publication | Nov 25 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Ie they would invent stuff then tell no one how they did it. | Nov 25 00:42 |
| _goblin | I watch the "Everything is OK" vids, and think...ok then, whats your solution..... | Nov 25 00:42 |
| schestowitz | To whatn specifically? | Nov 25 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Idea of patents was that it would be more profitable to tell you trade secrets. | Nov 25 00:42 |
| schestowitz | They talk about a variety of things | Nov 25 00:42 |
| _goblin | freedom of speech......for starters... | Nov 25 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes... | Nov 25 00:42 |
| _goblin | we can't have it.... | Nov 25 00:42 |
| _goblin | its impossible.... | Nov 25 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Some of the first patents are over metal mixes of all things schestowitz | Nov 25 00:43 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: depends. | Nov 25 00:43 |
| schestowitz | It's a tricky one | Nov 25 00:43 |
| _goblin | because if we do, then we would also hate mongering....racism and condone all manner of offensive behaviour... | Nov 25 00:43 |
| _goblin | *also allow hate | Nov 25 00:43 |
| _goblin | its like censorship.... | Nov 25 00:44 |
| _goblin | we must have that.... | Nov 25 00:44 |
| schestowitz | in the news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8374519.stm " Heart attack risk 'raised by suppressing anger'" | Nov 25 00:44 |
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| _goblin | its easy to talk about censorship when talking about China and opposition to the government...... | Nov 25 00:44 |
| schestowitz | CHallenges of power that is | Nov 25 00:44 |
| schestowitz | It usually boils down to power struggles | Nov 25 00:44 |
| schestowitz | And there's an issue here | Nov 25 00:45 |
| _goblin | but if we don't have censorship, then you can imagine what material people would be exposed to.... | Nov 25 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Cause those in power take away speech so that people cannot talk about how to overthrow power | Nov 25 00:45 |
| _goblin | yes, and thats wrong.... | Nov 25 00:45 |
| schestowitz | See China | Nov 25 00:45 |
| _goblin | but in those vids...is it really an infringment of human rights to be prevented from swearing in front of a child? | Nov 25 00:46 |
| schestowitz | For a developed stage of the problem | Nov 25 00:46 |
| oiaohm | I notice they left out stress causing lack of sleep ie causing problems. | Nov 25 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Where you are killed or put in prison for just criticising the political party | Nov 25 00:46 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no swearing | Nov 25 00:46 |
| _goblin | but then thats our values being imposed on another culture.... | Nov 25 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Hmm ok so you blieve media is not censored. | Nov 25 00:47 |
| _goblin | for example...age of consent in this country is 16...in some its less and in some its more....all have different values about what constitutes a child... | Nov 25 00:47 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: in this country no. | Nov 25 00:48 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: in others....I am not qualified to answer. | Nov 25 00:48 |
| oiaohm | What country _goblin | Nov 25 00:48 |
| _goblin | UK.. | Nov 25 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Ok yours is censored the same way it is done here. | Nov 25 00:48 |
| _goblin | i think in the UK the media is so uncensorsed to the point of being completely wrong.... | Nov 25 00:48 |
| _goblin | take the DNA story running at the moment. | Nov 25 00:48 |
| _goblin | Media is suggesting that people are arrested simply to be put onto a DNA database.... | Nov 25 00:49 |
| oiaohm | If you as a media firm speak out about something you should not you miss out being first with news important information. | Nov 25 00:49 |
| oiaohm | So censored by information control. | Nov 25 00:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with Google's GNU/Linux Could be Given for Free? http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/would-you-accept-googles-free-netbook | Nov 25 00:50 | |
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| _goblin | but then isn't that the fault of the press? | Nov 25 00:50 |
| _goblin | and isn't it the fault of the viewer to buy into it? | Nov 25 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Less in face than china method _goblin not 100 percent effective. | Nov 25 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Don't you notice politions and the like don't give interviews on particular channels after that channel says bad thing about them. instead uses a rival. | Nov 25 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Information control censorship _goblin | Nov 25 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Toe the line or be last getting the information. | Nov 25 00:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE on Television http://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/konqueror-icon-setting-tvs-ablaze | Nov 25 00:52 | |
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| _goblin | oiaohm: Really? In this age of youtube...citizen journalism et al...its not un-common for a story to break by a member of public and then get picked up by the papers. | Nov 25 00:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Prepares to Support Next Version of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/ghct | Nov 25 00:54 | |
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| _goblin | oiaohm: whilst some of the public are complaining about being under CCTV in a big brother state, they seem more than happy to film others and publish them on the net to millions....(Everything is OK vids) | Nov 25 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Main stream media has been censored _goblin | Nov 25 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't notice it. | Nov 25 00:54 |
| oiaohm | I expect in time youtube to be made to be in the same class as tablods. | Nov 25 00:55 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: I (unfortunately) can't go any further with this....however what I will say, is that Ive yet to see an example of Media censorship....in my opinions Government Organizations are frightened of the media, because it is not censored. | Nov 25 00:55 |
| oiaohm | The way it done is suttle _goblin | Nov 25 00:56 |
| _goblin | I have never seen proof... | Nov 25 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Gulf war embed journaist. | Nov 25 00:57 |
| _goblin | ah | Nov 25 00:57 |
| _goblin | I think we are at different purposes here... | Nov 25 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Only media not against goverment used. | Nov 25 00:57 |
| _goblin | foriegn policy I could not answer for.... | Nov 25 00:57 |
| _goblin | I was talking more "homeland" affairs. | Nov 25 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Even inside your country. | Nov 25 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Lot of invites to press confs are selective. | Nov 25 00:57 |
| oiaohm | So only friendly media are there. | Nov 25 00:58 |
| oiaohm | So only freindly media can break the story. | Nov 25 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Its a far suttler way of applying censor ship _goblin | Nov 25 00:58 |
| _goblin | press invites? again if we are talking UK matters, no such thing... | Nov 25 00:58 |
| _goblin | like I say, I cannot really go further with this... | Nov 25 00:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Netbook Remix Receives Good Review from Linux-hostile Publication http://ur1.ca/ghd2 | Nov 25 00:59 | |
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| oiaohm | Interviews with primemistor and queen are done by invite _goblin | Nov 25 00:59 |
| _goblin | suffice to say that honesty, accountability and integrity are keywords that are actually lived by with organizations that I work with... | Nov 25 00:59 |
| oiaohm | To be censored don't mean you have to lie. | Nov 25 01:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with ARM Chips (and GNU/Linux) Can Outdo W|Intel http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10400275-64.html | Nov 25 01:00 | |
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| _goblin | no but then the omission can be a lie in itself.... | Nov 25 01:00 |
| _goblin | "I swear by almighty God, to give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" | Nov 25 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of omissions happen. | Nov 25 01:00 |
| cubezzz | where are the ARM netbooks though | Nov 25 01:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another New #Phone Runs #Linux http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/24/emblaze_demos_else/ | Nov 25 01:01 | |
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| cubezzz | I'm still looking | Nov 25 01:01 |
| _goblin | and in matters of criminal law, an intentional omission will loose a case... | Nov 25 01:01 |
| _goblin | and could find you in contempt...or perverting the course.... | Nov 25 01:01 |
| oiaohm | If you don't talk about the complete subject you have not breached ethics. | Nov 25 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie the story just did not have space to run _goblin | Nov 25 01:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks Now for Under $200 http://ur1.ca/gea2 http://ur1.ca/ghde | Nov 25 01:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dell Vostro A90 8.9” netbook with Ubuntu on sale for $184 .::. Size~: 24.28 KB | Nov 25 01:02 |
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| Diablo-D3 | $184 you say? | Nov 25 01:02 |
| cubezzz | I can't even get a Vostro with Linux from dell.ca | Nov 25 01:03 |
| cubezzz | and the price was way higher too | Nov 25 01:03 |
| cubezzz | or perhaps I should say "without windows" on it | Nov 25 01:03 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: sorry, I was not ignoring....called away for a few minutes... | Nov 25 01:07 |
| _goblin | oiaohm: In respect of the Queen, she has no real power....its mostly ceromonial... | Nov 25 01:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government of #Spain Makes Real Shift to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/ghdx http://ur1.ca/ghdy | Nov 25 01:08 | |
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| _goblin | oiaohm: In respect of the government since they were voted in democratically, people only have themselves to be responsible.... | Nov 25 01:08 |
| cubezzz | I wonder if I could actually build a netbook or notebook | Nov 25 01:10 |
| _goblin | although I agree with consumerism, I think this vid is the best example of why its bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93yDaVSbuK0&NR=1 | Nov 25 01:11 |
| cubezzz | would dell US sell to me in Canada? | Nov 25 01:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Unrest Grows Over Web Abuse and Erosion of Digital Rights http://ur1.ca/ghe1 http://ur1.ca/ghe2 | Nov 25 01:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Opera Complies with Censorship in #China http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8376555.stm | Nov 25 01:12 | |
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| _goblin | funny thing about censorship and government..... | Nov 25 01:12 |
| _goblin | ask any Polish person about Poland when it was under communism and you will find they are very pro.... | Nov 25 01:13 |
| oiaohm | The most annoying thing is you do a search of products on dell and it lists linux as a option then when I go to get it since I am in Australia no Linux version. | Nov 25 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Now communism and censorship don't have to go hand and hand. | Nov 25 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Myth of the west. | Nov 25 01:13 |
| _goblin | agreed....however in Poland (according to my sources) it did... | Nov 25 01:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] not that this is me or anything http://www.whattheduck.net/strip/377 | Nov 25 01:14 | |
| _goblin | however people were happier.... | Nov 25 01:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 377 | What The Duck .::. Size~: 23.3 KB | Nov 25 01:14 |
| _goblin | not saying thats an umbrella rule.... | Nov 25 01:14 |
| oiaohm | More good news got reported as well. _goblin | Nov 25 01:14 |
| _goblin | but then if people believe they are happy is that not just as good? | Nov 25 01:14 |
| oiaohm | That is the funny thing. Good new basically gets censored out by free press editors most of the time. | Nov 25 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Because bad news gets more viewers but worried viewers ie unhappy viewers. | Nov 25 01:15 |
| _goblin | but then bad news can be a good control too..... | Nov 25 01:15 |
| _goblin | do as we say...we will keep you safe | Nov 25 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Exactly | Nov 25 01:16 |
| _goblin | you can apply negatives to any press... | Nov 25 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Forms of inderect censorship and control _goblin | Nov 25 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Direct censorship and control are simple to spot. | Nov 25 01:16 |
| cubezzz | on the phone to dell now | Nov 25 01:16 |
| _goblin | but then lets look at my blog....for example..... | Nov 25 01:16 |
| _goblin | if I was to read a genuine good news story about Microsoft, would I write about it? | Nov 25 01:17 |
| oiaohm | The internet is cracking the censorship systems. | Nov 25 01:17 |
| _goblin | if I live by my ethos of honesty, integrity and accountability..... | Nov 25 01:17 |
| _goblin | Id say I probably wouldn't.... | Nov 25 01:17 |
| oiaohm | But internet also has bias. | Nov 25 01:17 |
| _goblin | I believe MS is harmful to the IT world, so I would be reluctant to print a story...... | Nov 25 01:18 |
| oiaohm | MS solution to bad stories on line is to flood them. | Nov 25 01:18 |
| _goblin | having said that I honestly don't believe Ive ever been in that position... | Nov 25 01:18 |
| _goblin | so until it happens, I don't know. | Nov 25 01:18 |
| oiaohm | internet is secondary media. | Nov 25 01:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Things Turn Sour for EU Internet http://ur1.ca/ghee http://ur1.ca/ghef http://ur1.ca/gheg | Nov 25 01:20 | |
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| oiaohm | Internet is a printing press that is not controlled | Nov 25 01:20 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Internet is a printing press that is not controlled | Nov 25 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Hmm phIRCe-BNc glitched ? | Nov 25 01:20 |
| _goblin | I think its human nature to have bias, otherwise we wouldn't have unique thought.....I think the trick is to find bias on both sides and then strike a balance in the middle. | Nov 25 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Way I look at it is everything is censored. | Nov 25 01:21 |
| oiaohm | The question is how much. | Nov 25 01:21 |
| oiaohm | And by what forces. | Nov 25 01:21 |
| _goblin | does it matter though...? | Nov 25 01:21 |
| _goblin | if its wrong, its wrong. | Nov 25 01:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Britain Gives Hollywood More Internet Powers http://ur1.ca/g7l0 http://ur1.ca/ghej http://ur1.ca/ghek | Nov 25 01:22 | |
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| _goblin | if Andre was to say MS is great, it doesn't matter if he's an employee or simply deluded.....its still the same opinion... | Nov 25 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Defining wrong can be a very had thing _goblin | Nov 25 01:22 |
| oiaohm | For MS share holders what MS has done has been good. | Nov 25 01:22 |
| _goblin | to be wrong = something which does not agree with my opinion.....otherwise I wouldn't have conviction in my own views. | Nov 25 01:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Qualcomm Off the Hook After Abuse Using #Patents http://ur1.ca/ghep http://ur1.ca/gher | Nov 25 01:23 | |
| _goblin | *IMO | Nov 25 01:23 |
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| oiaohm | Abusing others I class as wrong _goblin | Nov 25 01:23 |
| _goblin | oh yes, agreed... | Nov 25 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Lot of what MS has done is abusive without question. | Nov 25 01:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Call to Overhaul the #Patent System http://ur1.ca/ghew http://ur1.ca/ghex | Nov 25 01:24 | |
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| _goblin | agreed.....its what encourages me to write my blog. | Nov 25 01:24 |
| _goblin | Ive also experienced the MS faithful first hand.... | Nov 25 01:24 |
| _goblin | and also seen them attempt to bully others. | Nov 25 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Problem with a MS good story like releasing an antivirus for free. You are sitting there woundering if MS will jack up price of windows to recover cost. | Nov 25 01:25 |
| oiaohm | History of IE and other they did that. | Nov 25 01:25 |
| cubezzz | no go, U.S. only | Nov 25 01:25 |
| _goblin | exactly...thats why I say "genuine good news"...like I say though...Ive never been in that position. | Nov 25 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Problem is even if ms does something genuine good you may not know for years _goblin | Nov 25 01:26 |
| oiaohm | If it was genuine | Nov 25 01:26 |
| _goblin | and can a firm (any firm) who lives off making money, do anything genuinely good? I don't think MS would be as big as it is today if it relied on kind guestures. | Nov 25 01:27 |
| cubezzz | you can get that deal though Diablo-D3 | Nov 25 01:27 |
| _goblin | anyway....Im off for the evening....great chat as always!!!! | Nov 25 01:28 |
| _goblin | gn | Nov 25 01:28 |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/giving-up-the-gimp-is-a-sign-of-ubuntus-mainstream-maturity.ars Now if they were droping it for likes if http://www.digikam.org/ but something .net | Nov 25 01:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple is Alienating Developers, Says Paul Graham http://paulgraham.com/apple.html | Nov 25 01:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Wants "Outside PR Agency" to Shill for Patents and FUD on FOSS http://ur1.ca/ghf9 | Nov 25 01:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Absolutely brilliant links! I wish I had more time to read...I will certainly be looking at this tomorrow! Regards. | Nov 25 01:32 | |
| cubezzz | $319 Vostro A90 hmmm | Nov 25 01:40 |
| cubezzz | well, big price difference | Nov 25 01:40 |
| fewa | cheaperthn that | Nov 25 01:41 |
| fewa | $219 | Nov 25 01:41 |
| fewa | with ubuntu | Nov 25 01:41 |
| fewa | http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/notebooks/laptop-vostro-a90/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-vostro-a90&cs=04&s=bsd | Nov 25 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | OK, time for posts en masse | Nov 25 01:45 |
| schestowitz | About 10 coming..... | Nov 25 01:45 |
| schestowitz | fewa: I heard about Amy Goodman getting arrested | Nov 25 01:46 |
| fewa | recently? | Nov 25 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Don't know | Nov 25 01:46 |
| fewa | or at the RNC last year? | Nov 25 01:46 |
| schestowitz | She has been a very, very naughty woman.... not to agree with the corporate press | Nov 25 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe RNC | Nov 25 01:46 |
| fewa | yes she was arrested then | Nov 25 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Some place where other got snatched too | Nov 25 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Pauling, Linus, maybe even Sagan got arrested too | Nov 25 01:46 |
| fewa | thats the descent into barbarism | Nov 25 01:47 |
| schestowitz | SOoner or later all those "evil" people are intimidated/harassed like this. | Nov 25 01:47 |
| schestowitz | In all the cases above it was organising for peace | Nov 25 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Very, very naughty peace | Nov 25 01:47 |
| schestowitz | The "threat of peace" | Nov 25 01:47 |
| schestowitz | What would worker in the Military Industrial Companies and Big Oil do? | Nov 25 01:48 |
| schestowitz | "Stop preventing war!! You're ruining the economy!!!!" | Nov 25 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Even nuclear cold war was "good for the economy" | Nov 25 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Not so much for the Soviet | Nov 25 01:49 |
| schestowitz | They went bankrupt first | Nov 25 01:49 |
| schestowitz | And Bush doubled the national debt in his 8 years in office | Nov 25 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Where did this borrowed money go? | Nov 25 01:49 |
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| cubezzz | fewa, for Canada though | Nov 25 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEi3COi3D5I&feature=response_watch | Nov 25 02:00 |
| trmanco | lol | Nov 25 02:08 |
| trmanco | look what I've found | Nov 25 02:08 |
| trmanco | process `skype' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT | Nov 25 02:08 |
| trmanco | LOL | Nov 25 02:08 |
| fewa | but that is what capitalism is | Nov 25 02:08 |
| fewa | geoism is the only form of "enlightened" capitalism | Nov 25 02:08 |
| fewa | Henry George | Nov 25 02:08 |
| cubezzz | ok, only the Vostro A90 is windows free | Nov 25 02:10 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 25 02:11 |
| cubezzz | *everything* else I saw had windows on it | Nov 25 02:11 |
| fewa | dell.com/ubuntu | Nov 25 02:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Paid #Caldera $280,000,000 and Made Incriminating Evidence Go “Poof!” http://ur1.ca/ghhe | Nov 25 02:24 | |
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| cubezzz | wow 280 mill | Nov 25 02:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple Likely to Lose Developers, Microsoft Wants Free Software Developers (for Windows) http://ur1.ca/ghid | Nov 25 02:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | Newegg has free AVG Internet Security after mail in rebate on black friday | Nov 25 03:05 |
| ender2070_ | anti virus is for fools | Nov 25 03:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Promotes #Silverlight http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/24/novell-advancing-microsoft/ | Nov 25 03:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Sued for Deliberately Making Competitor’s Product “Become Incompatible” http://ur1.ca/ghkn | Nov 25 03:45 | |
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| ender2070_ | im compiling firefox 3.7 | Nov 25 04:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Confirmed: #Murdoch Waves Goodbye to #Google in Order to Please Ballmer http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/24/second-icahn-vs-google/ | Nov 25 04:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 25 05:10 |
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| Omar87 | Hi guys, check out my comment here: http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/The_market_has_rejected_Linux_desktops_Get_over_it#comment-5451 | Nov 25 05:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Tip:clear bathroom window sill before putting coffee and toast there.Marmite on toast is not improved with the addition of talcum powder #fb | Nov 25 07:46 | |
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| _goblin | Roy, you there? | Nov 25 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft sent me a Windows logo t-shirt and baseball cap | Nov 25 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | O_O | Nov 25 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | anyone want them? | Nov 25 08:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] If most of your tweets are "I rated this youtube video" auto spam crap. I'll likely unfollow you. #spamtweet | Nov 25 09:02 | |
| ender2070_ | probably for promoting their software here | Nov 25 09:03 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070_: Like which software precisely? | Nov 25 09:10 |
| ender2070_ | windows | Nov 25 09:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Got my company pass today. Switched $COMPANY lanyard for Ubuntu bamboo one http://bit.ly/5vcuPj #subtlemarketing | Nov 25 09:38 | |
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| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ | Nov 25 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: yes | Nov 25 10:26 |
| _goblin | lol.... | Nov 25 10:27 |
| _goblin | not bad.... | Nov 25 10:27 |
| _goblin | 2 hours! | Nov 25 10:27 |
| _goblin | its not important.... | Nov 25 10:27 |
| _goblin | Ive sorted it now... | Nov 25 10:27 |
| _goblin | just a silly question that I had..... | Nov 25 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | What really still has me in awe, is iTunes | Nov 25 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | as in, how did that many people pay for a library of music in DRM'd files? | Nov 25 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | and why are all the tracks $1.29 now instead of 99 cents? | Nov 25 10:31 |
| _goblin | did the average user really understand DRM? would they not have thought "it works, so who cares"...that was until they tried to make backup copies.... | Nov 25 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | The last DRM'd files I've actually experienced was in 2004, when Pepsi gave you "free songs" for bottlecaps | Nov 25 10:32 |
| schestowitz | fewa: thanks for the video. Police state! | Nov 25 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | you punched in the code into iTunes and you would get 1 credit | Nov 25 10:32 |
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| DaemonFC | so I saved up the bottlecaps from all the Pepsi I was drinking at work and bought a few albums one day | Nov 25 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | then I tried to play them in Winamp, no good | Nov 25 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Media Player, wouldn't play | Nov 25 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | VLC couldn't play them | Nov 25 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | and so I ended up calling their customer support to ask why the files were damaged or in some weird format | Nov 25 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | and how I could get them to work | Nov 25 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's when they explained, in marketing speak, how DRM works | Nov 25 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | so thanks to that promo tie-in, I was disgusted with DRM before I ever actually bought anything from them | Nov 25 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd have been REAL pissed if I had paid full album price for crippled files | Nov 25 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | but lots of people bought thousands of tracks like that | Nov 25 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | without batting an eyelid | Nov 25 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | either cause they're rich, stupid, or both (Mac users) | Nov 25 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | I think I also explained once in here how Windows Media DRM facilitates spyware installations | Nov 25 10:37 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, its the video you referred to earlier | Nov 25 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | black friday cheapie, $10 4 GB SD or Micro SD cards at Walmart | Nov 25 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | woot | Nov 25 10:40 |
| schestowitz | fewa: didn't see the video.. hadn't seen rather | Nov 25 10:40 |
| schestowitz | "Conspiracy to riot" | Nov 25 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Protest -> Riot -> Terrorist | Nov 25 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Organise -> Conspire | Nov 25 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Even "libertarian" was warped by the right wingers | Nov 25 10:41 |
| fewa | same law they tried to use here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven | Nov 25 10:42 |
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| fewa | and here http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/10/man-arrested-twittering-goes-court-eff-has-documen | Nov 25 10:42 |
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| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/6/twitter_crackdown_nyc_activist_arrested_for | Nov 25 10:43 |
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| fewa | (interview) | Nov 25 10:43 |
| schestowitz | fewa: it must have had the necessary effect; her and her fellow people will be afraid to stage a protest now | Nov 25 10:43 |
| fewa | the video recieved 1M views | Nov 25 10:43 |
| fewa | and she did not stage protest | Nov 25 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 25 10:43 |
| fewa | nor did any of here fellow reporters | Nov 25 10:43 |
| schestowitz | It's good they got the video | Nov 25 10:43 |
| fewa | she is a reported | Nov 25 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Only made her most respected | Nov 25 10:43 |
| fewa | she was reporting on things that were happening | Nov 25 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 25 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Bush sent his little troops.... | Nov 25 10:44 |
| fewa | the corporate media was not | Nov 25 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Private army... | Nov 25 10:44 |
| fewa | even if it was right there | Nov 25 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Full armor | Nov 25 10:44 |
| schestowitz | To treat an adult lady | Nov 25 10:44 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what they had Linus arrested for | Nov 25 10:45 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnTtZOy5hO4 | Nov 25 10:45 |
| schestowitz | It's always curious... the circumstances | Nov 25 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | They throw you in jail and figure out what lies they'll tell in court later | Nov 25 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | nothing new there | Nov 25 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | the police always lie under oath to help the state convict you | Nov 25 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | and they're always "credible witnesses" | Nov 25 10:48 |
| fewa | theres alot of truth behind that | Nov 25 10:48 |
| fewa | but i wouldn't state it as such as absolute | Nov 25 10:48 |
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| DaemonFC | it's why I asked my lawyer to make a motion to suppress police testimony | Nov 25 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | relating to my mental state during the time period in question | Nov 25 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | the judge prevented the police from testifying alltogether | Nov 25 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | the motion to suppress was on the grounds that they are not certified mental health professionals | Nov 25 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 25 10:49 |
| schestowitz | There was a similar incident in the UK, fewa | Nov 25 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | the prosecution's case fell apart one piece at a time | Nov 25 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | until the judge dismissed the case | Nov 25 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | it was awesome | Nov 25 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | those police officers were PISSED | Nov 25 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | they were fuming | Nov 25 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've been in court several times, some as plaintiff and some as defendant, some criminal, some civil | Nov 25 10:52 |
| fewa | schestowitz, its not like this is the only one | Nov 25 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | the most that the state ever got out of those ordeals was to order me to therapy | Nov 25 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | that was last year | Nov 25 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | I made a deal with the prosecutor | Nov 25 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | they dropped the charges after I went to anger management | Nov 25 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | What's one more idiot therapist to appease? | Nov 25 10:53 |
| fewa | like nader at the 2000 presidendial debates | Nov 25 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | The score is, you go in there all defiant and everything, then you let them think they're whittling you down and remaking you however they see fit | Nov 25 10:54 |
| fewa | a political exclusion | Nov 25 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's so easy to bullshit a therapist because psychiatry is not real | Nov 25 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a firm and defined field | Nov 25 10:54 |
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| DaemonFC | about the only time the psychiatrists get any diagnosis correct, is when it's so obvious that you don't even need a PHD to tell what's wrong with someone | Nov 25 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | and psychiatry is a corrupt practice, because the state has perverted it to suppress political dissidents and social "undesirables" | Nov 25 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | in the US, until 1972, being gay was considered a severe mental illness and you were "committed" for "treatment"; see "Torture" | Nov 25 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | the Soviet Union used psychiatrists to "hospitalize" the "mentally ill" who didn't like the Soviet Union or the Communist Party | Nov 25 10:57 |
| fewa | Gulag | Nov 25 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | the state's goal is to use psychiatrists as another control mechanism | Nov 25 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | to scare the shit out of you | Nov 25 10:58 |
| kecskebak | I'm trying out Fedora 12 at the moment. I've been a big Ubuntu fan up to now, but some of the things they are doing worry me. | Nov 25 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | cause you know what happens to "those people" | Nov 25 10:58 |
| fewa | kecskebak, I use Linux, but...... | Nov 25 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | meh, Ubuntu is a lousy distro | Nov 25 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | keep going | Nov 25 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | you can do better | Nov 25 10:59 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: KDE or GNOME? | Nov 25 10:59 |
| kecskebak | GNOME for now - I can't get on with KDE | Nov 25 10:59 |
| kecskebak | I tried it this week | Nov 25 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is like settling for a fat slob because you know it will never reject you | Nov 25 10:59 |
| schestowitz | OK | Nov 25 10:59 |
| schestowitz | fewa: he refers to the decisions made by Canonical | Nov 25 10:59 |
| fewa | aha | Nov 25 11:00 |
| fewa | but he needs to be more specific | Nov 25 11:00 |
| kecskebak | I disliked the software store | Nov 25 11:00 |
| kecskebak | I dislike Mono | Nov 25 11:00 |
| fewa | meh it wasn't bad | Nov 25 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu hasn't been Kontaminated much yet | Nov 25 11:00 |
| fewa | but yes | Nov 25 11:00 |
| fewa | mono is a piece of shit | Nov 25 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | but if you want to go that route, just use Sidux | Nov 25 11:00 |
| MinceR | moar liek contamonoted | Nov 25 11:00 |
| fewa | canonical is making short-term decisions | Nov 25 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sidux is way nicer than Kubuntu | Nov 25 11:00 |
| fewa | and neglects the strengthening of FOSS | Nov 25 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | I like the whole rolling release deal myself | Nov 25 11:01 |
| kecskebak | I like the fact that GNOME is so clean and straightforward - KDE seems very gimmicky | Nov 25 11:01 |
| fewa | by supporting non-free drivers | Nov 25 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | kecskebak: They've been neglecting huge gaping holes in KDE to go polish the chrome elsewhere | Nov 25 11:01 |
| kecskebak | I'm using nouveau drivers on Fedora and they are just fine for Inkscape | Nov 25 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | most of it is very nice, but some things don't exist there at all | Nov 25 11:01 |
| _goblin | "mono is a piece of shit" - Interesting point. If for example there were no patent trap/Microsoftesq worries/connections about Mono would it still receive the same bad press? I wonder if its maybe Microsofts actions/behaviour that have stiffled Mono acceptance... | Nov 25 11:02 |
| kecskebak | The software store refers to "free", but it seems to be as in beer but not in "speech". | Nov 25 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | Office Max has a $150 netbook!!! | Nov 25 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | on Friday B-) | Nov 25 11:02 |
| fewa | kecskebak, yes, canonical uses the brainwash terminology | Nov 25 11:02 |
| MinceR | _goblin: do "Microsofteq worries" include the fact that m$ controls the platform? :) | Nov 25 11:03 |
| _goblin | yes.... | Nov 25 11:03 |
| fewa | the neutered corporate terms | Nov 25 11:03 |
| _goblin | thats what I meant....cut MS away completely... | Nov 25 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, it surprises me that Windows hasn't been locked down as much as you would expect | Nov 25 11:03 |
| MinceR | i think m$ has certainly stifled the acceptance of mono | Nov 25 11:03 |
| _goblin | and would it be, in itself poorly accepted... | Nov 25 11:03 |
| MinceR | most of the problems with mono are directly related to them | Nov 25 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, why use a second rate clone when you can get the real thing? | Nov 25 11:04 |
| _goblin | I like to cite Gamemaker (by Yoyogames) here..... | Nov 25 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | the point of Mono has never been to be compatible with .Net | Nov 25 11:04 |
| _goblin | a script language that tacks itself onto a runtime in order to make an executable. | Nov 25 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft would never allow them to catch up | Nov 25 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Moonlight is always a year or more behind Silverlight | Nov 25 11:04 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Agreed.... | Nov 25 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | why do they bother? | Nov 25 11:04 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Mono is the methodone, the hardstuff can only be got by going "pure" MS. | Nov 25 11:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you mean, why use a second-rate clone of java? :> | Nov 25 11:05 |
| kecskebak | I don't dislike Ubuntu as a distro - it is very, very good for new users and I would never have discovered free software without it. | Nov 25 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, that's an insult! | Nov 25 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Nov 25 11:05 |
| kecskebak | It's just that some of the decisions the community is making strike me as curious. | Nov 25 11:05 |
| kecskebak | And I think they are harming free software. | Nov 25 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's hard to get worse than Java | Nov 25 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | but I agree that in some ways, .Net has managed | Nov 25 11:06 |
| _goblin | as I was saying, GM is a pretty bloated and poorly implimented scripting language, that has a devout following and enables simple app development....its crap, but because its Indi, is it seen as good? | Nov 25 11:06 |
| _goblin | maybe its always been the only people killing the FOSS, were proprietary companies.....all proprietary companies... | Nov 25 11:07 |
| _goblin | as I say, if Yoyogames had created Mono, would we still be reacting against its infection of Ubuntu? | Nov 25 11:07 |
| kecskebak | I think that GNU/Linux is so precious, and the companies that want to see it fail are so powerful, that caution, even extreme caution, is entirely rational. | Nov 25 11:09 |
| _goblin | agreed. | Nov 25 11:09 |
| kecskebak | I don't want to be a ladder kicker, so my kids can't enjoy free software in the same way that I've been able too. | Nov 25 11:09 |
| _goblin | but then a kid faced with say Alien Arena or GTA....I think the choice they would make is obvious. | Nov 25 11:10 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Muppets doing Bohemian Rhapsody in 1080p on #YouTube http://ur1.ca/ghnu | Nov 25 11:11 | |
| _goblin | I hope nobody minds, but Kecskebak, I would like to link again to a vid showing the power of proprietary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgn2jugK_Hk | Nov 25 11:11 |
| kecskebak | I'll be back in a while - it's dinner time here in Hungary! | Nov 25 11:12 |
| _goblin | :) | Nov 25 11:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Microsoft #Cashback Flaws, Cashback Actually a Throwback http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/internet-explorer-cashback-flaws/ | Nov 25 11:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOvGTULHw2Y | Nov 25 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | loved that game | Nov 25 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | music wasn't bad either | Nov 25 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXkOdveHWhU&feature=related | Nov 25 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | live version of that | Nov 25 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HTkvjR4IgI&feature=related | Nov 25 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | and a speed run B-) | Nov 25 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | I wish I still had that Genesis and not just a stupid emulator | Nov 25 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | @ 6:15 was my favorite boss | Nov 25 11:42 |
| fewa | mmm a Hungary dinner :P | Nov 25 11:45 |
| fewa | kecskebak, GNU/Linux is alot more powerful than you make it out to be | Nov 25 11:45 |
| fewa | big companies cant write software | Nov 25 11:45 |
| fewa | that anyone will actually want to use | Nov 25 11:46 |
| fewa | "enterprise software" | Nov 25 11:46 |
| fewa | aka crap | Nov 25 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft fucked up Street Fighter on the 360 | Nov 25 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | they might as well have given the AI players infinite health | Nov 25 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | there went $10 I'll never get back :P | Nov 25 11:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Complaints About Perverted #EIF Continue to Pile Up http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/eif-many-complain-after-forums/ (ta, @glynmoody ) | Nov 25 11:50 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Complaints About Perverted EIF Continue to Pile Up | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.11 KB | Nov 25 11:50 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, I will be following up Automatic Number Plate Recognition system uses with our local police minister | Nov 25 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | license plate? | Nov 25 11:55 |
| _goblin | hi amarsh04! whats the problem with ANPR? | Nov 25 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | I got a big can of bear strength pepper spray for if that asshole next door bothers me again | Nov 25 12:02 |
| kecskebak | Back again - you're never hungry in Hungary for long. Staying under three tonnes is a struggle around here... | Nov 25 12:05 |
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| schestowitz | [11:45] <fewa> mmm a Hungary dinner :P | Nov 25 12:21 |
| schestowitz | ??? | Nov 25 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Did I miss s/t? | Nov 25 12:21 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: we have it here | Nov 25 12:22 |
| schestowitz | fewa: oh, I see... a joke | Nov 25 12:23 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was about the Hungary reports I wrote about less than an hour ago | Nov 25 12:23 |
| kecskebak | No, it's just the fact that I live in Hungary | Nov 25 12:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's “Multi-Million Dollar Budget and Relationship With an Outside PR Agency” to Attack Software Freedom http://ur1.ca/giad | Nov 25 12:24 | |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: MinceR also | Nov 25 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer lives there too sometimes, when he needs more money | Nov 25 12:24 |
| kecskebak | Neoliberal government - not very pleasant for the people who live here. | Nov 25 12:25 |
| kecskebak | But it's still a lovely country | Nov 25 12:26 |
| MinceR | it would be a lovely country if it weren't for most of the people that live here | Nov 25 12:27 |
| kecskebak | Are you in Budapest? | Nov 25 12:27 |
| MinceR | i am | Nov 25 12:27 |
| kecskebak | The people in Kiskunhalas are lovely | Nov 25 12:27 |
| kecskebak | I wasn't keen on Budapest when I lived there. | Nov 25 12:28 |
| oiaohm | http://www.gizmag.com/biodegradable-plastic/13410/ This could be intersting thinking the plastic they are making is the most common one used in items like reprap | Nov 25 12:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Simpler, cheaper, biodegradable plastic without using fossil fuels .::. Size~: 44.32 KB | Nov 25 12:29 |
| MinceR | even Kiskunhalas is subject to the machinations of some people | Nov 25 12:30 |
| kecskebak | Oh yes - Government funded discos :) | Nov 25 12:30 |
| MinceR | and the same state opresses people in the same way | Nov 25 12:30 |
| MinceR | s/p/pp/ | Nov 25 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | I downloaded the audio book of Napalm and Silly Putty | Nov 25 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | pretty funny so far | Nov 25 12:42 |
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| bing | i'm a little concerned with the integrity of a photo shown on boycottnovell.com | Nov 25 12:59 |
| schestowitz | hey ben | Nov 25 12:59 |
| schestowitz | which one? | Nov 25 12:59 |
| bing | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Miguel_de_Icaza.jpg | Nov 25 12:59 |
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| bing | uh, the one of miguel holding an xp box | Nov 25 13:00 |
| schestowitz | He does | Nov 25 13:00 |
| schestowitz | It's called "humour" | Nov 25 13:00 |
| kecskebak | Dave Lee-Travis picked Roy up on that on FLOSS Weekly. | Nov 25 13:00 |
| schestowitz | And not far fetched, either | Nov 25 13:00 |
| bing | it's gimp'd, and it doesn't come from wikipedia like the article suggests | Nov 25 13:00 |
| schestowitz | The image is | Nov 25 13:00 |
| bing | yeah, like it said it's just an integrity issue | Nov 25 13:00 |
| schestowitz | It's modified, as the licence permits | Nov 25 13:01 |
| schestowitz | bing: it is | Nov 25 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Miguel has no integrity | Nov 25 13:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I dunno, most peeps who have windows dont know it comes in a box, or that they're actually paying for it | Nov 25 13:01 |
| schestowitz | I hope Port 25 offers him a job | Nov 25 13:01 |
| schestowitz | This time we can explain more easily to people who he works for | Nov 25 13:01 |
| bing | schestowitz, i enjoy the irony of the picture, and it's some good satire | Nov 25 13:02 |
| bing | schestowitz, and it's not a licensing issue about the image that i'm concerned with. | Nov 25 13:02 |
| kecskebak | I think it's fine as it's so obviously GIMP-ed. | Nov 25 13:02 |
| kecskebak | If it was done well, it may be a problem. | Nov 25 13:03 |
| bing | yeah i think it just lowers the integrity of the site | Nov 25 13:03 |
| kecskebak | If it was a cartoon, would it bother you? | Nov 25 13:03 |
| bing | kecskebak, not at all | Nov 25 13:04 |
| bing | kecskebak, but it wouldn't at a glance be attributable to a noteworthy site | Nov 25 13:04 |
| kecskebak | bing I can see where you are coming from. I think perhaps it could have been more of a collage, with a different background as well. | Nov 25 13:05 |
| bing | yeah it's just my 2 cents | Nov 25 13:05 |
| kecskebak | bing The more I think about it the more I can see your point. | Nov 25 13:06 |
| bing | i think the story pretty major though | Nov 25 13:06 |
| bing | ...to drop the gimp for f-spot | Nov 25 13:06 |
| ThistleWeb | bing: are you MS's search engine? | Nov 25 13:06 |
| kecskebak | That's why I'm on Fedora today | Nov 25 13:06 |
| bing | ThistleWeb, nope. my nick predates the search engine. | Nov 25 13:06 |
| ThistleWeb | or just a person with a nick named after it? | Nov 25 13:06 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, convienient, any relation to twitter? | Nov 25 13:07 |
| bing | kecskebak, yeah, it might be nice to make migration software for people to easily switch from ubuntu to fedora | Nov 25 13:07 |
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| bing | ThistleWeb, my nick lets me do this: | Nov 25 13:07 |
| *bing bing bing bing! | Nov 25 13:07 | |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, I see | Nov 25 13:07 |
| bing | kecskebak, you know... bring over documents, copy over the high scores from the logic games... that sort of thing | Nov 25 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, catching up again......... | Nov 25 13:08 |
| schestowitz | bing: that photo of de Icaza is widely used | Nov 25 13:08 |
| schestowitz | The original one | Nov 25 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | Carlin: "Now they call them 'uniformed crew members', that's a relief. As opposed to the guy sitting next to me in the Grateful Dead t-shirt and the 'Fuck You' hat finishing off his 9th Kahlua" | Nov 25 13:09 |
| schestowitz | So people who are 'into' this debate will see the joke straight away | Nov 25 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | "Now I'll know who to look for" | Nov 25 13:09 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even do a good GIMP job, it was rushed. | Nov 25 13:09 |
| ThistleWeb | I could see a problem if the image was altered to be something out of character | Nov 25 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Look at the size of the XP box | Nov 25 13:09 |
| schestowitz | It's deliberately oversized | Nov 25 13:09 |
| bing | schestowitz, i'm into the debate and i was left with the impression that i'd find that image on wikipedia, and i didn't | Nov 25 13:09 |
| schestowitz | It's like twice the size of the man's head | Nov 25 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Which is metaphoric | Nov 25 13:10 |
| ThistleWeb | since it is a visual play on what Miquel does and has been doing, it could classed as satire, or a more accurate version of what's going on than the original image | Nov 25 13:10 |
| kecskebak | That said, it's more believable that most of the things on Photoshop Disasters. | Nov 25 13:10 |
| ThistleWeb | if it was an OSX box he was holding I could understand, as, as far as I know Miguel and Apple have no connection | Nov 25 13:11 |
| schestowitz | bing: it's in the main article about Miguel | Nov 25 13:11 |
| bing | so hire an editorial cartoonist. that would class it up. | Nov 25 13:11 |
| schestowitz | It's the best-known photo of him | Nov 25 13:11 |
| schestowitz | That's why I chose it | Nov 25 13:11 |
| schestowitz | To turn a classic into parody | Nov 25 13:11 |
| ThistleWeb | he has chosen a path which sees him helping promote MS and it's tech | Nov 25 13:12 |
| bing | schestowitz: yeah i enjoyed the image. it's just an integrity issue. | Nov 25 13:12 |
| kecskebak | Yes, but you can be right in the right way and right in the wrong way. It's better to be the former. | Nov 25 13:12 |
| schestowitz | I'm not buying the whole "I used bing before" defense | Nov 25 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Unless you can produce evidence | Nov 25 13:12 |
| kecskebak | Mind you, I can talk calling Jono Dave Lee Travis ;) | Nov 25 13:12 |
| bing | schestowitz: lookup the registration date of the nick, or the other channel i'm in | Nov 25 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Smells more like drive-by buzz advertising | Nov 25 13:12 |
| ThistleWeb | so an altered promo image of him doing a photoshoot for a MS product is perfectly valid | Nov 25 13:12 |
| bing | schestowitz or i can give you links to me free software projects if you like | Nov 25 13:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Ridiculous #Patents , Qualcomm Permitted to Abuse, Human Rights Step in as Overhaul Debated http://ur1.ca/gid5 | Nov 25 13:13 | |
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| schestowitz | bing: that's OK, I'll take your word for it | Nov 25 13:13 |
| kecskebak | It's fine as satire, but on Floss Weekly did you hear the faux-dramatic way Jono referred to it? | Nov 25 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Nice coincidence though | Nov 25 13:13 |
| bing | schestowitz, yeah i'll still have the nick after their search engine goes away | Nov 25 13:13 |
| schestowitz | That someone who defends Microsofters also had the nickname "bing" for a long time, that's all...... | Nov 25 13:13 |
| zer0c00l | bing.com | Nov 25 13:14 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Nov 25 13:14 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: lol, exactly | Nov 25 13:14 |
| bing | schestowitz i'm not defending miguel | Nov 25 13:14 |
| bing | schestowitz i'm trying to get you to raise the integrity of your site | Nov 25 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Nov 25 13:14 |
| schestowitz | OK, now you're just being dishonest, methinks | Nov 25 13:14 |
| bing | hehe | Nov 25 13:14 |
| ThistleWeb | the world is full of amazing coincedences, like lots of first time voters joining the ISO just to vote blindly in gavour of OOXML, I mean, what are the odds? | Nov 25 13:15 |
| bing | schestowitz anyway i've said my 2 cents. i'm just trying to help. | Nov 25 13:15 |
| schestowitz | So did you come here on behalf of the Irish ASA or to defend Miguel? | Nov 25 13:15 |
| schestowitz | You see... | Nov 25 13:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't agree with Britney spears forums | Nov 25 13:15 |
| bing | no, i didn't | Nov 25 13:15 |
| schestowitz | And yet, I don't go to Britney Spears forums to talk to regulars there about their 'integrity' | Nov 25 13:16 |
| bing | schestowitz i'm not a britney spears fan. hah. | Nov 25 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Good for you | Nov 25 13:16 |
| schestowitz | But you escaped my point | Nov 25 13:16 |
| bing | i'm a free software developer... how about you? | Nov 25 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'm off to doing other stuff now... | Nov 25 13:16 |
| bing | i happen to live in ireland | Nov 25 13:16 |
| bing | and i have no connection to the ASA, whatever that is | Nov 25 13:17 |
| bing | jeez, you guys must get a lot of trolls here to be so mistrustful | Nov 25 13:17 |
| schestowitz | That's not the point (geography) | Nov 25 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Nor is it a point about Britney Spears | Nov 25 13:17 |
| schestowitz | *Britney | Nov 25 13:17 |
| zer0c00l | is that you bing http://www.facebook.com/asselstine | Nov 25 13:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ben Asselstine | Facebook .::. Size~: 19.21 KB | Nov 25 13:18 |
| bing | zer0c00l, yeah that's me | Nov 25 13:18 |
| kecskebak | Everyone's right. bing was just being helpful - he's right, the picture has been used to hit the site over the head in public. Roy is also right, the picture is perfectly valid as satire and was very funny. | Nov 25 13:18 |
| oiaohm | No just problem some past true trolls have used the name bing here bing. | Nov 25 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Just name bad luck that is all. bing | Nov 25 13:19 |
| bing | oiaohm, ah, i couldn't have known | Nov 25 13:19 |
| zer0c00l | http://savannah.nongnu.org/users/benasselstine | Nov 25 13:19 |
| bing | oiaohm, maybe i should stay logged in more often so they can't have my nick | Nov 25 13:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: People at Savannah: Ben Asselstine Profile [Savannah] .::. Size~: 15.37 KB | Nov 25 13:19 |
| bing | zer0c00l, yeah i've written a lot of free software | Nov 25 13:19 |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder if Mr Crosby's estate will take MS to court for tarnishing the word "Bing" | Nov 25 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://my.opera.com/core/blog/ | Nov 25 13:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0.71 KB | Nov 25 13:20 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter what Roy does, m$ cultists will use anything against him | Nov 25 13:21 |
| MinceR | so why worry? | Nov 25 13:21 |
| oiaohm | 2 wrongs don't make a right. MinceR | Nov 25 13:21 |
| zer0c00l | oiaohm, MinceR you people have a facebook profile ? | Nov 25 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Maybe labeling altered for jokes would be a good idea just from a intergity point of view schestowitz | Nov 25 13:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: where's the second wrong? | Nov 25 13:22 |
| schestowitz | bing: I won't use that picture again | Nov 25 13:22 |
| MinceR | well, there could be a label with yellow background saying "This is satire, you idiots" | Nov 25 13:22 |
| bing | "image modified from _wikipedia_ original" | Nov 25 13:23 |
| bing | i dunno, really | Nov 25 13:24 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091121/1353527039.shtml | Nov 25 13:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Jury Says Fictional Character Can Be Libelous | Techdirt .::. Size~: 49.7 KB | Nov 25 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Its just a intergity thing MinceR. There is no need to steep to MS level. Thinking failed at editing out a black guy to make a picture contain all white people and did not have the intergity to mark it as edited. | Nov 25 13:24 |
| MinceR | i don't think this has anything to do with that | Nov 25 13:25 |
| MinceR | mainly because there's nothing racist about xp boxes :> | Nov 25 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Images for "microsoft poland" :http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&hl=en&source=hp&q=microsoft+poland&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Nov 25 13:25 |
| *zer0c00l thinks there is nothing wrong in depicting miguel as proponent of non free s/w | Nov 25 13:25 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: microsoft poland - Google Images .::. Size~: 45.98 KB | Nov 25 13:25 |
| bing | zer0c00l, yep i agree. it's satire. | Nov 25 13:26 |
| MinceR | 142115 < bing> "image modified from _wikipedia_ original" | Nov 25 13:26 |
| MinceR | neither do i :> | Nov 25 13:26 |
| zer0c00l | you people should check miguel's twitter feeds | Nov 25 13:26 |
| zer0c00l | he has become some kind of silverlight mumbo jumbo | Nov 25 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Frankly, I don't think bing means to harm | Nov 25 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Ie MinceR MS has done worse basically. | Nov 25 13:27 |
| bing | enjoy your chat folks. | Nov 25 13:27 |
| zer0c00l | yes :) | Nov 25 13:27 |
| *bing (n=ben@87-198-16-156.ptr.magnet.ie) has left #boycottnovell ("Ex-Chat") | Nov 25 13:27 | |
| zer0c00l | bing: :) | Nov 25 13:27 |
| schestowitz | But we've had so many trolls here before, thus the suspicion and prejudice that's a defensive measure | Nov 25 13:27 |
| zer0c00l | hahaha | Nov 25 13:27 |
| schestowitz | How about this: | Nov 25 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Make a post | Nov 25 13:28 |
| MinceR | also, there's the vigorous re-assertion of an indefensible point | Nov 25 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Open Letter to Microsoft | Nov 25 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Where we argue why they should hire this really talented man called Miguel | Nov 25 13:28 |
| schestowitz | We can get him a via this time around | Nov 25 13:28 |
| schestowitz | *visa | Nov 25 13:28 |
| schestowitz | It would be good if he worked for Microsoft | Nov 25 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Let me do a quick post...... | Nov 25 13:29 |
| MinceR | didn't he get hired already? | Nov 25 13:29 |
| kecskebak | You don't need the ad hominem | Nov 25 13:29 |
| kecskebak | You're right - you've got the facts on your side | Nov 25 13:29 |
| MinceR | first at novell, then at one of their fake FLOSS sites, don't remember what it's called | Nov 25 13:29 |
| MinceR | m$ departments all the way | Nov 25 13:29 |
| kecskebak | The fact that Mono is a huge bloated white elephant is enough | Nov 25 13:30 |
| kecskebak | If you go for ad hominem if makes you look petty | Nov 25 13:30 |
| kecskebak | Free Software is about respecting people | Nov 25 13:30 |
| kecskebak | That's what Miguel is not doing | Nov 25 13:31 |
| kecskebak | But I wouldn't advise getting hung up on the personality. | Nov 25 13:31 |
| kecskebak | The arguments and the software is enough | Nov 25 13:31 |
| *fewa agrees with kecskebak | Nov 25 13:32 | |
| fewa | but you should still call things like they are | Nov 25 13:32 |
| fewa | but focus on what is most pertinent | Nov 25 13:33 |
| fewa | and keep the focus on that | Nov 25 13:33 |
| MinceR | i think both software and people deserve criticism | Nov 25 13:33 |
| fewa | the cult of personality is a rhetorical device | Nov 25 13:33 |
| MinceR | people need to know that m$/novell is wrong and evil in many ways, not just one or two | Nov 25 13:33 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 25 13:33 |
| kecskebak | The post that showed how big a Mono app was compared to a non-mono app was a killer post. | Nov 25 13:34 |
| kecskebak | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/23/gthumb-and-gnote-ubuntu/ | Nov 25 13:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: With gThumb and Gnote in Ubuntu 10.04, Default Install Would be Leaner, Mono Free | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 119.75 KB | Nov 25 13:34 |
| kecskebak | That picture, with the size of Tomboy and gNote, told the story better than a dig at Miguel | Nov 25 13:34 |
| MinceR | i think both needs to be done | Nov 25 13:35 |
| MinceR | btw, then they could make ubuntu 10.04 leaner by omitting mono instead of omitting gimp | Nov 25 13:36 |
| kecskebak | That's a no-brainer | Nov 25 13:36 |
| fewa | wtf | Nov 25 13:36 |
| kecskebak | Which is why I found the decision inexplicable | Nov 25 13:36 |
| fewa | dumping gimp | Nov 25 13:36 |
| kecskebak | Yes, that's why I dumped Ubuntu | Nov 25 13:36 |
| fewa | its not desktop GNU/Linux without gimp | Nov 25 13:36 |
| fewa | f'in idiots | Nov 25 13:36 |
| kecskebak | I don't think Banshee will be far behind either | Nov 25 13:37 |
| MinceR | i wish i could dump [k]ubuntu, but i have no suitable replacement yet | Nov 25 13:37 |
| fewa | they work hard to dampen and slow the FOSS community | Nov 25 13:37 |
| MinceR | maybe Sidux (that DaemonFC mentioned earlier)? | Nov 25 13:37 |
| MinceR | or maybe Fedora 13 once it's released | Nov 25 13:37 |
| fewa | by not understand it | Nov 25 13:37 |
| kecskebak | There are some lovely people in the Ubuntu community who love free software. But the community decisions leave me scratching my head sometimes. | Nov 25 13:38 |
| fewa | "community decisions" | Nov 25 13:38 |
| oiaohm | One of the things they complain about with gimp is a slow start up time. | Nov 25 13:38 |
| oiaohm | True it don't have a nice plugin system and that does need to be fixed. | Nov 25 13:39 |
| fewa | don't go branding the word community without a real analysis of weather democracy is actually happening | Nov 25 13:39 |
| MinceR | it does have a nice plugin system :> | Nov 25 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Having to run all plugins every start up of gimp MinceR ? | Nov 25 13:39 |
| oiaohm | That is not exactly a nice plugin system. | Nov 25 13:39 |
| fewa | my impression is that ubuntu decisions are run by a small cabal | Nov 25 13:39 |
| fewa | the critical ones that is | Nov 25 13:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | heeheheh | Nov 25 13:40 |
| MinceR | they're the "community" | Nov 25 13:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | I now have identica on my wp blog | Nov 25 13:40 |
| fewa | and they those people can about nothing else than short term interests of their brand | Nov 25 13:40 |
| MinceR | just like the rule of "One Man, One Vote" in Ankh-Morpork. | Nov 25 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Add a index of plugins and a refresh feature. Lot faster start times MinceR | Nov 25 13:40 |
| MinceR | and the Patrician | Nov 25 13:40 |
| fewa | and absolutely no interest in building free and open source software | Nov 25 13:40 |
| kecskebak | That would explain a lot. | Nov 25 13:40 |
| fewa | that is what i've seen | Nov 25 13:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: no, you add them :> | Nov 25 13:40 |
| fewa | there are certainly great contributers | Nov 25 13:40 |
| fewa | the software _is_ free software | Nov 25 13:40 |
| fewa | (most of it) | Nov 25 13:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I hacked advanced rss (yet another rss widget), it has a twitter template | Nov 25 13:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | so I merely changed two urls in the template | Nov 25 13:41 |
| fewa | but its really being "led" by something other than the interests of those that use it | Nov 25 13:41 |
| kecskebak | I don't know how Ubuntu is run, but obviously having a bloke with a big bag of money would distort it. | Nov 25 13:41 |
| fewa | not that that is easy | Nov 25 13:41 |
| fewa | meh | Nov 25 13:42 |
| fewa | i don't think he is that bad | Nov 25 13:42 |
| kecskebak | Impatient | Nov 25 13:42 |
| *Diablo-D3 should write a full fledged identica plugin | Nov 25 13:42 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: actually i don't think that the single most important thing about a nice plugin system is how it starts :> | Nov 25 13:42 |
| fewa | the shipit.ubuntu.com was great | Nov 25 13:42 |
| zer0c00l | bing was here after listened to http://www.softwarefreedom.org/podcast/2009/nov/19/0x1B/ | Nov 25 13:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Episode 0x1B: Jeremy Allison of the Samba Team - Software Freedom Law Show - Software Freedom Law Center .::. Size~: 12.34 KB | Nov 25 13:42 |
| fewa | it introduces lots to Linux | Nov 25 13:42 |
| fewa | that sort of thing is great | Nov 25 13:42 |
| kecskebak | I wouldn't be using Free Software without Ubuntu | Nov 25 13:42 |
| oiaohm | When it comes to memory usage and other things way gimp start is not nice MinceR. | Nov 25 13:42 |
| fewa | Ubuntu really did put a focus on some usability improvements | Nov 25 13:42 |
| zer0c00l | jeremy allison must have mentioned about BN | Nov 25 13:42 |
| kecskebak | I will always be grateful for that | Nov 25 13:43 |
| oiaohm | And its all due to the plugin system MinceR | Nov 25 13:43 |
| fewa | some really smart stuff like command-not-found | Nov 25 13:43 |
| MinceR | i think kubuntu improves usability more | Nov 25 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Little bit of effort could fix it MinceR | Nov 25 13:43 |
| MinceR | by avoiding the usability mess called "gnome" | Nov 25 13:43 |
| fewa | which kicks ass | Nov 25 13:43 |
| fewa | MinceR, thats not really ubuntu | Nov 25 13:43 |
| MinceR | i know | Nov 25 13:43 |
| fewa | thats KDE and GNOME | Nov 25 13:43 |
| oiaohm | I like the KDE world moto MinceR | Nov 25 13:43 |
| fewa | of course that distinction is lost on most | Nov 25 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Distributions exist to server KDE not KDE to serve distributions. | Nov 25 13:43 |
| fewa | and those running Ubuntu like to engender that false correlation | Nov 25 13:44 |
| fewa | that is something that makes me not trust them | Nov 25 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu has been pushing bleeding edge stuff over and over again. | Nov 25 13:44 |
| fewa | not really | Nov 25 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | Sidux doesn't even have GNOME | Nov 25 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | they have KDE and XFCE editions | Nov 25 13:44 |
| fewa | Fedora is more bleeding edge | Nov 25 13:44 |
| fewa | at least on Red Hat developed parts | Nov 25 13:45 |
| MinceR | some gnome apps don't hurt though | Nov 25 13:45 |
| fewa | Ubuntu was pushing alot of new gnome apps | Nov 25 13:45 |
| fewa | and alot of those are successes | Nov 25 13:45 |
| fewa | and even simply things like command-not-found | Nov 25 13:45 |
| fewa | that seriously is a _huge_ usability improvement | Nov 25 13:45 |
| fewa | suprised it didn't happen earlier | Nov 25 13:45 |
| fewa | other things like it | Nov 25 13:45 |
| kecskebak | Ubuntu is the nicest distro to install I've tried yet | Nov 25 13:46 |
| kecskebak | I use GNOME, and Ubuntu really is easier | Nov 25 13:46 |
| *zer0c00l is now known as zer0c00l|afk | Nov 25 13:46 | |
| fewa | of course real stuff doesn't come from organizations | Nov 25 13:46 |
| fewa | it comes from individual developers who scratch their itch | Nov 25 13:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/business/media/24adcol.html?_r=1&src=twt&twt=nytimestech | Nov 25 13:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.82 KB | Nov 25 13:46 |
| oiaohm | I use a mix of KDE and Gnome apps kecskebak gimp is about my last GTK app. | Nov 25 13:47 |
| fewa | the only thing a distribution really has to do is fit together the base system and test it | Nov 25 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Lot of KDE apps are better. | Nov 25 13:47 |
| fewa | and canonical doesn't even do that | Nov 25 13:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Letter to #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/open-letter-to-microsoft/ | Nov 25 13:47 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open Letter to Microsoft | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.44 KB | Nov 25 13:47 |
| fewa | they off-load that to debian | Nov 25 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu keeps the good old Gnome/KDE split a live. | Nov 25 13:47 |
| kecskebak | I use FontForge, Inkscape and The GIMP daily | Nov 25 13:47 |
| oiaohm | So users don't get the best applications. | Nov 25 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Goal should be to kill the Gnome/KDE split. | Nov 25 13:47 |
| fewa | I think distributions need to learn from Linux development | Nov 25 13:47 |
| MinceR | that's a risky goal | Nov 25 13:48 |
| fewa | about avoiding forks and good version control | Nov 25 13:48 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l|afk: how do you know where he was | Nov 25 13:48 |
| schestowitz | ? | Nov 25 13:48 |
| MinceR | it can be done very wrong and i'm afraid it would be | Nov 25 13:48 |
| fewa | that allows controled forks | Nov 25 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Allison mentioned GPL infringement in that show, but I didn't listen to it | Nov 25 13:48 |
| fewa | the linux standard base is a good base for such a move | Nov 25 13:48 |
| kecskebak | I think it's good that there is GNOME and KDE. If KDE was the first desktop I saw, I probably wouldn't have switched to GNU/Linux | Nov 25 13:48 |
| MinceR | except the LSB mandates RPM | Nov 25 13:48 |
| fewa | or standardizing of rpm _or_ deb | Nov 25 13:48 |
| fewa | doesn't matter which | Nov 25 13:49 |
| MinceR | some gobolinux-ish package management should be standardized instead | Nov 25 13:49 |
| zer0c00l|afk | schestowitz: please check #gnu | Nov 25 13:49 |
| fewa | I think debian policies on file higherarchy are much better | Nov 25 13:49 |
| zer0c00l|afk | schestowitz: He is in #gnu | Nov 25 13:49 |
| zer0c00l|afk | schestowitz: Just asked him | Nov 25 13:49 |
| schestowitz | The American KGB is at it again: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/court-surveillance/ | Nov 25 13:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Court Kills Round-The-Clock Surveillance Case | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 89.06 KB | Nov 25 13:49 |
| zer0c00l|afk | schestowitz: I think you are in there too :) | Nov 25 13:49 |
| fewa | red hat is all disorganized and archic | Nov 25 13:49 |
| fewa | cruft | Nov 25 13:49 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l|afk: ah | Nov 25 13:49 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l|afk: so I'll listen to it tomorrow | Nov 25 13:50 |
| zer0c00l|afk | schestowitz: ok :) | Nov 25 13:50 |
| fewa | reforming the system to make it simpler is very important in making the system understandable and approachable | Nov 25 13:50 |
| schestowitz | [13:28] <bing> hello zer0c00l | Nov 25 13:50 |
| schestowitz | [13:29] <zer0c00l> hey bing :) | Nov 25 13:50 |
| schestowitz | [13:29] <zer0c00l> we see lot of trolls there bing, so everyone was little suspicious :) | Nov 25 13:50 |
| schestowitz | [13:29] --> tsdh has joined this channel (n=horn@141.26.94.95). | Nov 25 13:50 |
| schestowitz | [13:30] <bing> zer0c00l, yeah there are a few trolls here too.... but boycottnovell must be a real magnet for them | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | [13:30] <zer0c00l> hahaha | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | [13:32] <bing> i listened to the software freedom law show today... it was entertaining | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | [13:33] <bing> it makes me want to register my copyrights! | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | [13:33] <zer0c00l> link? where? | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | [13:34] <bing> http://www.softwarefreedom.org/podcast/2009/nov/19/0x1B/ | Nov 25 13:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Episode 0x1B: Jeremy Allison of the Samba Team - Software Freedom Law Show - Software Freedom Law Center .::. Size~: 12.34 KB | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | [13:34] <zer0c00l> ok | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | [13:34] <bing> it's an hour long show | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Trolls? | Nov 25 13:51 |
| zer0c00l|afk | :P | Nov 25 13:51 |
| MinceR | for whom the bell trolls | Nov 25 13:51 |
| zer0c00l|afk | schestowitz: Don't flood the channel :P | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | I love it when people try to argue that people in a channel that agrees with them are trolls | Nov 25 13:51 |
| schestowitz | As if to say, the Tories are 'trolls' on the conservative party | Nov 25 13:51 |
| fewa | well there is a troll device that uses that | Nov 25 13:52 |
| fewa | it goes like this | Nov 25 13:52 |
| fewa | I use Linux and I really like it, but..... | Nov 25 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes the trolls call the regulars "trolls", then use large numbers (like lins*** flood) or sockpuppets as "yes men" | Nov 25 13:53 |
| fewa | but yes | Nov 25 13:53 |
| fewa | that word is overused | Nov 25 13:53 |
| schestowitz | fewa: "I was once an atheist, but..." | Nov 25 13:53 |
| schestowitz | "Don't get me wrong, but..." | Nov 25 13:53 |
| schestowitz | "Some people argue...." | Nov 25 13:53 |
| schestowitz | "I like <x> as much as the next guy, however..." | Nov 25 13:54 |
| schestowitz | [13:53] <fewa> that word is overused | Nov 25 13:54 |
| schestowitz | "Terrorist" also | Nov 25 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Although terrorist is one who terrorises | Nov 25 13:54 |
| fewa | not really | Nov 25 13:54 |
| fewa | I only hear that word used by the media and those that are trying to get power | Nov 25 13:54 |
| schestowitz | By that that definition, some husbands are terrorists too | Nov 25 13:54 |
| fewa | and alot those scared | Nov 25 13:54 |
| schestowitz | By this definition, George Bush is a terrorist | Nov 25 13:55 |
| fewa | its never used in rational debate | Nov 25 13:55 |
| fewa | quite honestly | Nov 25 13:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm really surprised that Bush is not in prison | Nov 25 13:55 |
| fewa | its like most uses of "nazi" | Nov 25 13:55 |
| fewa | it immediately makes you wrong | Nov 25 13:55 |
| schestowitz | By some criteria, Bush should be executed, based on simple law with precedence | Nov 25 13:55 |
| fewa | it means you have interest in actual debate | Nov 25 13:55 |
| fewa | 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 v | Nov 25 13:55 |
| fewa | that sort of thing | Nov 25 13:55 |
| MinceR | v? | Nov 25 13:56 |
| fewa | ctrl-v | Nov 25 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Obama, terrorist, plane, 9/11, Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad, be afraid, stay home, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, mushroom cloud | Nov 25 13:56 |
| fewa | *no interest in actual debate | Nov 25 13:56 |
| fewa | in most uses of the word it immidially makes be stop paying attention to the person | Nov 25 13:57 |
| schestowitz | fewa: Buckley tried to call Vidal "Nazi" | Nov 25 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Or something like that... | Nov 25 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Nov 25 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8 (William Buckley Vs Gore Vidal) | Nov 25 13:57 |
| fewa | I just watched a Ralph Nader talk | Nov 25 13:57 |
| schestowitz | I can't stand Buckley | Nov 25 13:57 |
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| kecskebak | brb | Nov 25 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | Noam Chomsky vs. William F. Buckley Debate : Part 1 of 2 < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYlMEVTa-PI > | Nov 25 13:58 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh_Y_WOL2ew | Nov 25 14:00 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh_Y_WOL2ew#t=5m20s | Nov 25 14:00 |
| MinceR | in response to what schestowitz said: | Nov 25 14:00 |
| MinceR | Gazprom e-bomb M-14 War on Terrorism lynch quiche cryptographic Exon | Nov 25 14:00 |
| MinceR | Shell terrorism Sears Tower genetic Kosovo passwd cypherpunk | Nov 25 14:00 |
| MinceR | cryptanalysis | Nov 25 14:00 |
| MinceR | (had to install emacs on my netbook to generate that :> ) | Nov 25 14:00 |
| fewa | "In 1938 FDR said 'when government is controled by private economic power that is fascism'" | Nov 25 14:01 |
| schestowitz | "NOT VERY HAPPY with Google at the best of times, certain German authorities want the search engine's analytics product banned." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1563272/germany-google-analytics | Nov 25 14:01 |
| fewa | the corruption of words tries to wipe such frank statements from their meaning | Nov 25 14:02 |
| fewa | the corruption of language | Nov 25 14:02 |
| fewa | destroy the ability to have frank discussion | Nov 25 14:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/podcast/2009/nov/19/0x1B/ "Jeremy discussed that he resigned from Novell in protest over the Microsoft/Novell deal. " | Nov 25 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: I'll watch Nader vidz later | Nov 25 14:03 |
| fewa | well its really just that quote | Nov 25 14:04 |
| fewa | as we were talking about the words people throw around | Nov 25 14:04 |
| fewa | the scare words | Nov 25 14:04 |
| fewa | Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1938: 'when government is controled by private economic power that is fascism' | Nov 25 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Iphone users are bandwidth hogs http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1563258/iphone-users-bandwidth-hogs | Nov 25 14:05 |
| schestowitz | "If the figures are to believed, Jobs' Mob's slice of mobile data traffic has grown to now exceed half share globally." | Nov 25 14:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1563261/google-backs-away-racist-search "The latest outcry has been about a picture which depicts US First Lady Michelle Obama as a monkey." | Nov 25 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Yikes. | Nov 25 14:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/11/24/facebook-stock-maneuver-feeds-ipo-rumors | Nov 25 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | News Corp. Joined by Rivals Weighing Google Block http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aRVlZEzbmNu0 | Nov 25 14:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: News Corp. Joined by Rivals Weighing Google Block (Update2) - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 32.37 KB | Nov 25 14:09 |
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| fewa | lol | Nov 25 14:21 |
| fewa | wishful "news" | Nov 25 14:21 |
| fewa | the old media is so scared of direct media | Nov 25 14:22 |
| fewa | of direct access to information | Nov 25 14:23 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8377922.stm | Nov 25 14:41 |
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| trmanco | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_12_ati&num=1 | Nov 25 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: they are so dead that they think they have nothing to lose anymore | Nov 25 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Clinging on to promises | Nov 25 14:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Explanation of What Bill Gates’ Patent Investments Do to Developing World http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/monsanto-video/ | Nov 25 14:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] have people abandoned identica or have they changed the xmmp settings? | Nov 25 14:54 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/24/bind_dns_security_bug/ | Nov 25 14:58 |
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| schestowitz | Woohoo!! | Nov 25 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft CFO quits | Nov 25 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he can't cook the numbers anymore | Nov 25 15:00 |
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| marcusb | How can I boycott something I don't use? | Nov 25 15:06 |
| ThistleWeb | the concept of "biycotting" something means "not using it" | Nov 25 15:07 |
| ThistleWeb | boycotting* | Nov 25 15:07 |
| MinceR | marcusb: by continuing to not use it and adding another reason for not using it :) | Nov 25 15:09 |
| marcusb | ok :D | Nov 25 15:09 |
| marcusb | that's easy enough | Nov 25 15:10 |
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| Omar87 | H all. | Nov 25 15:28 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Multicolr Search Lab: color search for Flickr http://labs.ideeinc.com/multicolr/ | Nov 25 15:31 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Wikileaks publishes 500k 9/11 pager messages http://ur1.ca/gina | Nov 25 15:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Chief Financial Officer Quits http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/chris-liddell-jumps-ship/ | Nov 25 15:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsofts Chief Financial Officer Quits | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.13 KB | Nov 25 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. Now people can buy toilet paper with their iPhone... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/25/iphone_tesco/ | Nov 25 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Register dupe. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/25/tesco_iphone/ | Nov 25 15:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple adds Tesco as iPhone partner • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 18.63 KB | Nov 25 15:50 |
| schestowitz | In a way the same lump of news | Nov 25 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Is "business ready" the new slogan for WinMob? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/25/hp_ipaq_glisten/ | Nov 25 15:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: HP rolls out business-friendly smartphone • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 19.43 KB | Nov 25 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Orrin Hatch ?????? http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/11/25/oracle_sun_european_sabotage/ | Nov 25 15:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: US senators tell EC: Butt out of Oracle-Sun • Channel Register .::. Size~: 20.24 KB | Nov 25 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I think he's the father of a SCOster | Nov 25 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he is. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/07/layoffs-and-microsoft-utah/ | Nov 25 15:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Lays Off More Employees Across the US, But Hires Near SCO | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.77 KB | Nov 25 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Why would he want Sun to be bought? | Nov 25 15:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] OK, so BTI is a POS | Nov 25 15:54 | |
| schestowitz | His son represents SCO | Nov 25 15:54 |
| schestowitz | And John Kerry too left the beauty salon to loibby | Nov 25 15:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/11/decertifying_te.html | Nov 25 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | "The SAME people who created TRILLIONS in debts for the USA and then stole TRILLIONS more in tax dollars, should def. be trusted to run the US Treasury! The Federal Reserve needs to be shut down, they are bankrupting the USA."" | Nov 25 15:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Oracle should make a promise not to enforce any of its patents (including Sun's patents) towards companies using MySQL+OO: http://i5.be/Vg | Nov 25 16:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Karsten Gerloffs blog » The case for independence - Oracle, Sun and what to do with MySQL [updated] .::. Size~: 86.16 KB | Nov 25 16:24 |
| schestowitz | How I hate "articles about other articles" ("Mr. X has just published an article.... blah blah") http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Brockmeier-Issues-Beginner-s-Guide-to-Vim-Editor | Nov 25 16:25 |
| MinceR | you should write an article about that article ;) | Nov 25 16:26 |
| kecskebak | These days most news stories seem to be recycled press releases, so it's hard to find articles that don't do that. | Nov 25 16:26 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: it's not so new | Nov 25 16:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA negotiatior: “I have never seen a treaty being negotiated in public. It is not feasible.” http://i5.be/Vh | Nov 25 16:27 | |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: yes, like the MSFT CFO news | Nov 25 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Nobody bother to say anything news | Nov 25 16:27 |
| schestowitz | I look through over 30 articles | Nov 25 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Key points same as in press release and company pages | Nov 25 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Country of birth, bio... he leaves, another guy comes | Nov 25 16:28 |
| kecskebak | The book "Flat Earth News" is excellent at talking about this trend - worth seeking out if you haven't read it. | Nov 25 16:28 |
| kecskebak | http://www.flatearthnews.net/ | Nov 25 16:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Home | Flat Earth News .::. Size~: 9.73 KB | Nov 25 16:28 |
| schestowitz | But eWEEK is the one posting 'articles' that are meta-articles saying: "PERSON X has just published a review. Go check it out." | Nov 25 16:28 |
| schestowitz | It means they have nothing much to write by chaining one article to another article from the same publisher, which I find comical | Nov 25 16:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Name the GUI. http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1078_signs.jpg | Nov 25 16:29 | |
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| schestowitz | eWEEK has just published an introduction to another eWEEK review of Fedora... | Nov 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they should issue an introduction to the introduction to the introduction.... | Nov 25 16:29 |
| kecskebak | Nick Davies calls it "Churnalism" | Nov 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: libel laws does that | Nov 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Press is afraid to step outside boxes | Nov 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Like saying the no evidence exists for WoMD | Nov 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Let alone publish outside pieces that say this | Nov 25 16:31 |
| kecskebak | And the fact that the liars for hire in the PR industry outnumber journalists several to one | Nov 25 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Obedience can be financially rewarding to them through advertising | Nov 25 16:31 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: sometimes they are the same | Nov 25 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Some journos turn to PR puppets and via versa. Analysts also. | Nov 25 16:31 |
| schestowitz | *visa | Nov 25 16:32 |
| schestowitz | *vice | Nov 25 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Joe Wilcox for example | Nov 25 16:32 |
| kecskebak | I think a lot of it is because journalists are so overworked | Nov 25 16:33 |
| kecskebak | Many UK newspapers have one journalist to cover the whole of the north of England. About 20 million people | Nov 25 16:33 |
| kecskebak | All they can do is type up PR releases | Nov 25 16:33 |
| kecskebak | They can't hope to fact check or investigate or to think | Nov 25 16:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft is looking for an Interoperability Patent Tax manager, send them your CV and motivation letter: http://i5.be/Vi | Nov 25 16:34 | |
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| *zer0c00l|afk is now known as zer0c00l | Nov 25 16:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/23/british-cops-arrest.html | Nov 25 16:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: British cops arrest people just to add them to the DNA database, claims inquiry - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 71.28 KB | Nov 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: there's that too | Nov 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | You know what it means? | Nov 25 16:36 |
| schestowitz | The 'added value' or journalism is lost, without fact checking | Nov 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | In which case they can no longer justify abandoning 'indie' sources | Nov 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Cause they become a lot worse, they overall PR which it produced by marketing people with a wage given to promote | Nov 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | TMCNet does lots of this | Nov 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | CIOL also | Nov 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | They flood the press with Microsoft, Novell, other press release | Nov 25 16:37 |
| schestowitz | They change a few words here and there | Nov 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | But the press releases ended up embeddd as tweaked articles in the public record | Nov 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | I.e. the companies write the news | Nov 25 16:38 |
| schestowitz | History is being recorded by companies, about themselves | Nov 25 16:38 |
| kecskebak | In England there's a disturbing trend of local councils releasing free newspapers reporting on themselves | Nov 25 16:38 |
| kecskebak | Which not only helps kill off real local newspapers but also means that councils are "holding themselves to account" | Nov 25 16:39 |
| kecskebak | If a council does a deal with, say Microsoft or Novell, how would it appear to the local population? | Nov 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Consumerism:. ... http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/11/fim-e-power-series/ | Nov 25 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: yes, the 'free' 'news' papers | Nov 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | People are unsuspectingly think it's 'free' | Nov 25 16:40 |
| kecskebak | I've got to go now, but I've really enjoyed chatting here today. Hope to be back tomorrow. TTFN | Nov 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | They never ask why | Nov 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: yw | Nov 25 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/does-having-an-hdtv-actually-mean-anything-if-you-have-comcast/ | Nov 25 16:44 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] hehehe RT: @eduvid: Open Letter to #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/open-letter-to-microsoft/ | Nov 25 17:01 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open Letter to Microsoft | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.55 KB | Nov 25 17:01 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: You've gotta watch this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/monsanto-video/ | Nov 25 17:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Explanation of What Bill Gates Patent Investments Do to Developing World | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 109.71 KB | Nov 25 17:16 |
| schestowitz | It's also about India | Nov 25 17:16 |
| zer0c00l | ok :) | Nov 25 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Google's Andy Rubin turns out to have left Sidekick when he joined Android | Nov 25 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Sickkick is now Microsoft | Nov 25 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Bad, bad logic: http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/why-open-source-could-kill-androids-chances-029 | Nov 25 17:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why open source could kill Android's chances | Mobilize - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 75.21 KB | Nov 25 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Symbian (Nokia) vs Linux: "The thing with the Limo Foundation is that it’s a document factory, they don’t have anyone that produces kits. " http://www.telecoms.com/16575/the-open-road | Nov 25 17:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Interview: John Forsyth, leadership team, Symbian Foundation | telecoms.com - telecoms industry news, analysis and opinion .::. Size~: 56.36 KB | Nov 25 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Big Pimpin': http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/24/monkjobs-how-can-we-help/ | Nov 25 18:00 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Peter Thiel Says Don't Piss Off The Robots (Or Bet On A Recovery) http://ur1.ca/giwb | Nov 25 18:04 | |
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| satipera | hello all, roy I have even tried to re-register. I can't because of course the nick and email address are taken. Using the new password that is sent after using forgotten your password does not work either. In short I am not able to comment. | Nov 25 18:06 |
| schestowitz | US pours millions into anti-Taliban militias in Afghanistan http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/22/us-anti-taliban-militias-afghanistan | Nov 25 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Later on they wonder why these weapons turn against them | Nov 25 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Hey, satipera | Nov 25 18:06 |
| satipera | hi | Nov 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | satipera: I mailed you a new password | Nov 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Let's retry | Nov 25 18:07 |
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| satipera | ok | Nov 25 18:07 |
| Nostradumbass | hi | Nov 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 25 18:07 |
| Nostradumbass | came across your website, groovy site for posting all the fud going on in the software business | Nov 25 18:07 |
| schestowitz | satipera: i PMed you the new password | Nov 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Nostradumbass: you can help too by reporting and adding information | Nov 25 18:09 |
| satipera | ok ty | Nov 25 18:09 |
| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: well I have been kind of out of that loop in favor of the general political one | Nov 25 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/22/lotfi-raissi-secret-files-evidence | Nov 25 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Nostradumbass: yes, it's only related though at the level of staff | Nov 25 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has many people in govt. | Nov 25 18:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #KDE renamed #KDE, still worst desktop environment on #Linux http://ur1.ca/gix1 | Nov 25 18:11 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Repositioning the KDE Brand | KDE.news .::. Size~: 70.45 KB | Nov 25 18:11 |
| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: many key industries do, lobbying is nothing new, its just that M$ is one of the few that has a major presence when it pertains to software | Nov 25 18:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.muckety.com/Microsoft-Corporation/5001219.muckety | Nov 25 18:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Corporation relationship map - Muckety.com .::. Size~: 58.48 KB | Nov 25 18:12 |
| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: I can't see "do no Evil" Google doing quite the same thing | Nov 25 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's do not register | Nov 25 18:13 |
| schestowitz | For instance: | Nov 25 18:13 |
| schestowitz | One pretends to represent small businesses | Nov 25 18:13 |
| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: well thats a form of astroturfing which many corporate lobbies such as ones AT&T and Verizon put into do as well | Nov 25 18:14 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Association_for_Competitive_Technology | Nov 25 18:15 |
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| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: I see they learn well from the telecom industry: http://www.prwatch.org/node/5962 | Nov 25 18:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AT&T, Verizon Reach Out and Co-Opt Someone | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 23.36 KB | Nov 25 18:16 |
| cubezzz | ok, two laptop/netbooks so far: Lemote and Dell Vostro A90 | Nov 25 18:16 |
| cubezzz | and old ASUS | Nov 25 18:16 |
| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: major telcos and cable companies have been doing this to ban municipal ISPs for some time and gain statewide franchise agreements | Nov 25 18:17 |
| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: the whole Connected Nation and Net Neutrality issues are also falling to this as well | Nov 25 18:17 |
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| cubezzz | we have municipal ISPs | Nov 25 18:18 |
| cubezzz | most major metro centres have a freenet | Nov 25 18:18 |
| cubezzz | there is NCF in Ottawa | Nov 25 18:18 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: you're one of the lucky one's who states' representatives have balls, which state do you hail from Virginia, Vermont? | Nov 25 18:18 |
| cubezzz | no, I'm in Canada :) | Nov 25 18:18 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: oh Canada, well thats why :P | Nov 25 18:18 |
| cubezzz | Ontario | Nov 25 18:18 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: at least Canadians still have the fortitude to stand up to big business | Nov 25 18:19 |
| cubezzz | Nostradumbass, U.S. doesn't have any freenets? | Nov 25 18:19 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: very sparsely | Nov 25 18:19 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: big ISPs are making sure the FCC squashes them | Nov 25 18:20 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Nov 25 18:20 |
| cubezzz | sounds like it's time for Flynn to take out the MCP :) | Nov 25 18:21 |
| cubezzz | again | Nov 25 18:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/11/23/whats-a-mysql-partner-to-do/ | Nov 25 18:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What's a MySQL Partner to Do? | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 50.18 KB | Nov 25 18:21 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: MCP? | Nov 25 18:21 |
| cubezzz | it's a reference from the movie Tron | Nov 25 18:21 |
| cubezzz | Master Control Program | Nov 25 18:21 |
| Nostradumbass | ahh | Nov 25 18:22 |
| Nostradumbass | lol | Nov 25 18:22 |
| schestowitz | 'Telecom analyst Bruce Kushnick writes that "Astroturf and co-opted groups representing the deaf, disabled, black, low income and others" are "touting a plan to loosen cable franchise rules for the phone companies.' | Nov 25 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also uses Hispanics for this | Nov 25 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will use even the Guild of Murderers if it helps make a buckl | Nov 25 18:22 |
| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: so do Republicans, like how those Cuban Americans protesting kinda won GW the 2000 election by getting the polls to close early in Florida | Nov 25 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Gore suffers from this now | Nov 25 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Paid-for protests | Nov 25 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Pseudo-protests | Nov 25 18:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nostradumbass: except GWB never won an election | Nov 25 18:23 |
| cubezzz | I remember how excited everyone was back in 1994 when we got our first Freenet | Nov 25 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Organised by oil companies that make coalitions | Nov 25 18:23 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: whether you like it or not the US Presidential election depends more on the Electoral College then on popular votes, sorry thats just the way it is :-/ | Nov 25 18:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nostradumbass: I think you misunderstood | Nov 25 18:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | GWB "won" via vote fraud | Nov 25 18:25 |
| cubezzz | found a list: http://www.lights.ca/freenet/ | Nov 25 18:25 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: not really since the Electoral College (dominated by Republicans) considered all the votes in to be sufficient and the Supreme Court declared it to be legal :P | Nov 25 18:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nostradumbass: ahh, but here we run into a problem | Nov 25 18:27 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: and nobody has raised a major fuss since, its kinda like how Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon just so the American government and public can move on to issues at hand rather then being stuck in the past | Nov 25 18:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | if the votes are fraudulent, it doesnt matter what the EC nor the Surpreme Court thinks | Nov 25 18:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nostradumbass: no one did? | Nov 25 18:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, congress threatened to throw several thousand people in jail | Nov 25 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | for protesting | Nov 25 18:28 |
| cubezzz | the two-term limit saves things | Nov 25 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | the US people did in fact demand a recount by a non-biased third party | Nov 25 18:28 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: have you seen any major public outcry, Obama is in the Whitehouse so everyone is somehow feels re-embersed by Uncle Same in this respect | Nov 25 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nostradumbass: I dont | Nov 25 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I actually wish Obama would pardon Bush | Nov 25 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Nov 25 18:28 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: well the public at large does, and thats what matters | Nov 25 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what a pardon like that really is? | Nov 25 18:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | when nixon was pardoned, it made him 100% guilty without a chance of anyone ever thinking otherwise | Nov 25 18:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | no judge, no jury, straight to 100% gulty. | Nov 25 18:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the worst possible punishment for one president to do to another | Nov 25 18:29 |
| cubezzz | he was guilty though :) | Nov 25 18:29 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: true, but it also makes them forgiven | Nov 25 18:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nostradumbass: it makes their lives effectively over. | Nov 25 18:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it also records in history books, in it's entirety, what nixon did to get that pardon | Nov 25 18:30 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: politically yes, but they can then go on with their civil lives | Nov 25 18:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I want to see bush get the same treatment for what he did | Nov 25 18:30 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: I don't see GW going back into politics anytime soon | Nov 25 18:30 |
| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: sorry for hijacking your thread | Nov 25 18:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nostradumbass: no, but there are people out there who dont even know he wasnt legally our president | Nov 25 18:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | we, effectively, had terrorists in control of the US government for 8 years | Nov 25 18:32 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: he became legally president once the election was done and the Supreme Court declared it so, his administration's sovereignty was further strengthened by winning a 2nd term | Nov 25 18:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nostradumbass: if they're not acting in favor of the american people, they are also guilty. | Nov 25 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | so Im not sure where you're going with this | Nov 25 18:33 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah, the system worked great, lol | Nov 25 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | protecting a criminal also makes you a criminal. | Nov 25 18:34 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: they did initially act in favor the public at large though, through endorsement of the War on Terror and complacency to the Patriot Act. | Nov 25 18:34 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: a government is only as strong and legitimate by its social contract with the people | Nov 25 18:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yes, and for 8 years, our government wasn't legitimate. | Nov 25 18:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | And, honestly, that should scare the almighty fuck out of most of the country | Nov 25 18:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] C'mon Rupert, what are you waiting for? Go exclusive to Bing already! The rest of the internet will gather to wave you off. | Nov 25 18:36 | |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: the administration may have done some questionable things, but people still head steady to the US political system | Nov 25 18:36 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: nothing even approached the 1960s with civil-disobedience | Nov 25 18:36 |
| cubezzz | a lot of people didn't vote though | Nov 25 18:36 |
| cubezzz | voter apathy | Nov 25 18:36 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: well thats their decision, voting is only as much a right as people want to follow it | Nov 25 18:37 |
| cubezzz | but of course the turnout was pretty good in the last election I think | Nov 25 18:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nostradumbass: use the words "the people" very carefully | Nov 25 18:38 |
| Nostradumbass | BNc: I get a kick out of what makes a CEO of a media company thing by limiting how their website can be found can somehow help them | Nov 25 18:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im part of "the people" and I did not, do not, and never will support terrorism. | Nov 25 18:38 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: I can use as frivolously as I want since the public at large does jack squat in the face of blatant corruption and lies anyway | Nov 25 18:38 |
| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: give them a nice home, a car and cash on borrowed credit and most will be happy | Nov 25 18:39 |
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| Nostradumbass | Diablo-D3: I think history has taught us violent revolution most of the time doesn't bring beneficial change within their lifetime anyway | Nov 25 18:40 |
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| Nostradumbass | magentar: welcome back, got anything to contribute to this channel that has something to do with it? | Nov 25 18:41 |
| cubezzz | ah, what about the American Revolution? | Nov 25 18:42 |
| cubezzz | you guys didn't want to pay tax to King George :) | Nov 25 18:42 |
| cubezzz | anyway, the search for a Linux laptop continues... | Nov 25 18:42 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: yes that is true, goods and funds being funneled off to a far away land with little to no benefit to folks at home doesn't make people happy. Also, people in that time already had the fiercely independent attitude of forging a new society as well | Nov 25 18:44 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: how large, you can always get a Pandora handheld, which has most the functions of a Linux laptop at the fraction of the size | Nov 25 18:44 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: how important is a x86 based chipset, hardrive and disc drive important to you? | Nov 25 18:45 |
| cubezzz | I'm looking at the ASUS EEE 100HE at the moment | Nov 25 18:45 |
| cubezzz | not ideal though | Nov 25 18:45 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: how is Newegg when it comes to shipping in Canada, wouldn't Fry's Electronics have a good Black Friday sale? | Nov 25 18:45 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: does Canada have a "Black Friday?" | Nov 25 18:46 |
| cubezzz | there is newegg.ca | Nov 25 18:46 |
| cubezzz | uh, probably | Nov 25 18:46 |
| cubezzz | 1000HE is XP of course | Nov 25 18:46 |
| cubezzz | I want something with a keyboard I can type on | Nov 25 18:46 |
| cubezzz | I don't care about x86 at all | Nov 25 18:47 |
| cubezzz | everyone is selling ASUS though | Nov 25 18:48 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: get a LimePC :D | Nov 25 18:49 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: jk, I don't even know if those will ever be mass produced | Nov 25 18:49 |
| cubezzz | that's it, I'm buying an Amiga :) | Nov 25 18:50 |
| cubezzz | it's weird how there's no ARM based laptops | Nov 25 18:51 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: funny you should say that, Hyperion and Amiga.inc lawsuit was finally settled in favor of Hyperion so Amiga OS4 development is said to be pressing forward to finally introduce an updated 3D API, Java, SMPT and other features in a next release as well as possible PowerPC Mac support | Nov 25 18:52 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: there are ARM based notebooks out, even older ones that use Windows CE | Nov 25 18:53 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: there is also possible releases of Tegra ones too | Nov 25 18:53 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: its just that they have not really been sold in North America that much | Nov 25 18:53 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Nov 25 18:54 |
| cubezzz | the only thing I ever saw was zaurus, and zaurus was discontinued | Nov 25 18:55 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: you probably heard of this website: http://www.dynamism.com/#home | Nov 25 18:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dynamism .::. Size~: 98.96 KB | Nov 25 18:58 |
| cubezzz | no, I haven't seen that before | Nov 25 19:02 |
| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: its not the most reasonably priced but a pretty consistent and trusted website for buying Asian imported gadgets from | Nov 25 19:06 |
| cubezzz | unfortunately there are no Linux boxes (as far as I can see) | Nov 25 19:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Maybe PiSi would take off more as an application if it wasn#t pronounced Pissy, and Choqock just sounds rude :p | Nov 25 19:08 | |
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| Nostradumbass | cubezzz: yea... but you can always buy one and format it or do a dual boot. But I know you don't like contributing to the Windows tax | Nov 25 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Nov 25 19:08 |
| Nostradumbass | hi? | Nov 25 19:08 |
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| ender2070_ | i wouldnt want m$ getting money when I dont use them either | Nov 25 19:11 |
| ender2070_ | ooo i have http://www.dynamism.com/gp2x_wiz.shtml | Nov 25 19:12 |
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| ender2070_ | but the earlier version w/o rechargable batteries | Nov 25 19:12 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070: wow thats a pretty nice price for touchscreen device with an OLED display | Nov 25 19:16 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070: I wonder if it still has 2 SDIO card slots like its predecessor? | Nov 25 19:17 |
| ender2070_ | im wondering | Nov 25 19:17 |
| ender2070_ | i'd like to get that, my gp2x's biggest drawback is batteries | Nov 25 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-25-008-35-OP-DT-NT-0002 I too noticed that Tony Mobily is a defeatist, which is a shame because it makes his articles unnecessarily depressingly | Nov 25 19:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - Google Chrome OS. Or, how KDE and GNOME managed to shoot each other dead .::. Size~: 77 KB | Nov 25 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Nostradumbass: you didn't hijack anything :-) I was just busy w/ other stuff | Nov 25 19:19 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070: nope according to this it only has 1 SD slot but with SDHC support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X_Wiz#Specifications | Nov 25 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | And actually, presidential crimes are on topic in the channel | Nov 25 19:20 |
| Nostradumbass | schestowitz: kewl, but I usually don't like discussing topics that end up flooding the channel in one direction | Nov 25 19:20 |
| ender2070_ | SDHC cards are much larger in size, I would require less of them | Nov 25 19:22 |
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| Nostradumbass | other news Australian politicos continue to get further digitally out of touch: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/25/187249/Australian-Govt-Proposes-Internet-Panic-Button-For-Kids | Nov 25 19:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Australian Govt. Proposes Internet "Panic Button" For Kids .::. Size~: 143.23 KB | Nov 25 19:22 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070: there is still something cool to having 2 SD slots, one for storage and the other for peripherals | Nov 25 19:23 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070: thats why I personally like the Pandora handheld better, and its 800mhz ARM Cortex CPU | Nov 25 19:23 |
| Nostradumbass | with PowerVR SGX CPU | Nov 25 19:23 |
| Nostradumbass | oh nvm its a OMAP 3 CPU, which I preffer | Nov 25 19:24 |
| Nostradumbass | wait I'm confused: http://openpandora.org/ | Nov 25 19:24 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070: oh yea, forgot the OMAP 3 is pretty much a Cortex v8 with a DSP | Nov 25 19:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pimp your GNU Linux desktop; submit a screenshot http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/coolest-desktop-screenshot-wins-prize | Nov 25 19:25 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Coolest Desktop Screenshot Wins Prize -- Winners Announced | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 41.37 KB | Nov 25 19:25 |
| Nostradumbass | and more direct interconnect to GPU | Nov 25 19:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/9-hilarious-websites-to-visit-when-you-need-to-kill-time/ | Nov 25 19:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 9 Hilarious Websites To Visit When You Need To Kill Time .::. Size~: 49.85 KB | Nov 25 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Nicaragua is moving to GNU \o/ | Nov 25 19:29 |
| ender2070_ | Nostradumbass - i dont know what else I would even add to it | Nov 25 19:30 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070_: umm.. bluetooth adapter? | Nov 25 19:31 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070_: or any future wireless standard, Pandora has a full version of the kernel 2.6x Linux and folks have been installing Ubuntu Hardy distro on it | Nov 25 19:33 |
| ender2070_ | Nostradumbass - my laptop does all that | Nov 25 19:34 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070_: true, but that does it in a smaller form factor with better battery life, even though there is definitely more to do for x86 Linux then any other platform. | Nov 25 19:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Just been adding peeps manually from groups, since group dents don't work. #hpr needs a cleanout of spam members | Nov 25 19:37 | |
| ender2070_ | i would argue better battery life, i couldnt get more than an hour out of that thing | Nov 25 19:38 |
| ender2070_ | i only wanted it for emulators so I could put my snes in storage | Nov 25 19:39 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070_: well if you go to the gp32x forum, you can find out whats going on with Open Pandora | Nov 25 19:42 |
| ender2070_ | openpandora is nice | Nov 25 19:43 |
| ender2070_ | would be nicer if they could get the hardware out there sooner | Nov 25 19:43 |
| Nostradumbass | ender2070_: only major issue is it is still a device sold in limited quantities | Nov 25 19:43 |
| Nostradumbass | yea | Nov 25 19:43 |
| ender2070_ | i've been waiting a year so far | Nov 25 19:43 |
| Nostradumbass | Ubuntu is further distancing itself from the FOSS: http://www.osnews.com/story/22541/Ubuntu_Dumps_the_GIMP_Really_Needs_a_Paint_NET | Nov 25 19:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu Dumps the GIMP, Really Needs a Paint.NET .::. Size~: 23.64 KB | Nov 25 19:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Two Romanian women kidnapped a 3yo girl in local ASDA, shaved head, redressed as a boy.ADSA closed doors, police called.Scary close to home. | Nov 25 19:45 | |
| Nostradumbass | I get a kick out long loading times being the excuse because I can even load GIMP up with YDL on my PS3 | Nov 25 19:45 |
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| Nostradumbass | anyway I don't complain about removing software from initially installs, it makes them easier to download | Nov 25 19:48 |
| ender2070_ | my switch to kde pretty much ensures I dont need to do that | Nov 25 19:52 |
| ender2070_ | kde distros dont have mono apps | Nov 25 19:52 |
| Nostradumbass | alright I got to go, been nice chatting with ya'll | Nov 25 20:05 |
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| ender2070_ | i love how fedora doesn't trust moonlight | Nov 25 20:07 |
| ender2070_ | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#Moonlight | Nov 25 20:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Forbidden items - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 33.26 KB | Nov 25 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary FUD against embedded Linux/FOSS: http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2009/11/24/47504/where-is-the-cost-in-an-embedded-linux-system.htmhttp://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2009/11/24/47504/where-is-the-cost-in-an-embedded-linux-system.htm | Nov 25 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070_: Mono should be in that list too | Nov 25 20:14 |
| ender2070_ | yes it should | Nov 25 20:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] AUTOPOST: Digital Economy Bill - My interpretation : http://tinyurl.com/yayvyxg #piracy #p2p #torrent #legal | Nov 25 20:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Digital Economy Bill My interpretation « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 55.83 KB | Nov 25 20:24 |
| _goblin | yay............it works | Nov 25 20:24 |
| _goblin | my first piece of python code that does what its supposed too. | Nov 25 20:24 |
| trmanco | cool | Nov 25 20:36 |
| trmanco | is it gpl'ed? | Nov 25 20:36 |
| _goblin | its closed source, proprietary, DRM'd..... | Nov 25 20:39 |
| _goblin | only joking of course.... | Nov 25 20:39 |
| trmanco | lol | Nov 25 20:39 |
| _goblin | Im on a different rig and Im pleased to see it working by itself.... | Nov 25 20:39 |
| _goblin | what it does is: | Nov 25 20:39 |
| _goblin | 1. Connects to wordpress and uploads a document created for my blog with a template.... | Nov 25 20:39 |
| _goblin | 2. Publishes article and announces on Twitter... | Nov 25 20:40 |
| _goblin | 3. Can be set to a time/date.... | Nov 25 20:40 |
| _goblin | so what it means now is that all my articles which Ive never gotten around to publish, I can pepper them at random intervals during the week. | Nov 25 20:41 |
| _goblin | I am really quite pleased.... | Nov 25 20:41 |
| _goblin | I will publish the code when I get back on that rig. | Nov 25 20:41 |
| _goblin | its released under the OBCA (Openbytes Code Agreement) - in that do with it as you wish...I really don't care... | Nov 25 20:42 |
| trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/giving-up-the-gimp-is-a-sign-of-ubuntus-mainstream-maturity.ars | Nov 25 20:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Giving up the GIMP is a sign of Ubuntu's mainstream maturity .::. Size~: 42.48 KB | Nov 25 20:42 |
| trmanco | beerware? | Nov 25 20:42 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's a Mono booster | Nov 25 20:44 |
| MinceR | beware | Nov 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | No idea why he has been gullible | Nov 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: by British pronunciation, yeah | Nov 25 20:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 25 20:44 |
| ender2070_ | what happened to best of breed | Nov 25 20:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been in bed most of the day recovering from Manflu....still feel rotten but can't sleep anymore! | Nov 25 20:48 | |
| MinceR | best of bread, best of beer | Nov 25 20:50 |
| ender2070_ | I guess it also displays mono or nothing, no matter the excuse | Nov 25 20:50 |
| ender2070_ | best of breed was false, gimp is best | Nov 25 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... best of bbbbbbbeer. | Nov 25 20:53 |
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| trmanco | hahaha | Nov 25 20:54 |
| trmanco | "2001-09-11 15:36:34 Arch [0987275] C ALPHA s0191: 09/11 13:35:22 Reboot NT machine g" | Nov 25 20:54 |
| MinceR | ? | Nov 25 20:55 |
| trmanco | http://911.wikileaks.org/files/messages_2001_09_11-15_35_2001_09_11-15_39.txt | Nov 25 20:55 |
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| trmanco | html here | Nov 25 20:56 |
| trmanco | http://911.wikileaks.org/files/messages_2001_09_11-15_35_2001_09_11-15_39.html | Nov 25 20:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: WikiLeaks 9/11 pager data .::. Size~: 501.07 KB | Nov 25 20:56 |
| trmanco | http://911.wikileaks.org/ | Nov 25 20:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 9/11 Pager data .::. Size~: 3.73 KB | Nov 25 20:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Loving this Lego Matrix video.. http://bit.ly/7Kk4ny | Nov 25 20:58 | |
| trmanco | moooore -> http://911.wikileaks.org/files/index.html | Nov 25 20:59 |
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| trmanco | :) | Nov 25 20:59 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Matrix is now 10 years old, now in #Lego http://ur1.ca/gj8t | Nov 25 21:06 | |
| ender2070_ | lol - http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-X.org-Guru-Calls-for-Desktop-Help | Nov 25 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Can anyone provide help transcribing? | Nov 25 21:25 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @codinghorror: Buy Bad Code Offsets! http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001312.html | Nov 25 21:35 | |
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| tessier | hehe..bad code offsets... | Nov 25 21:48 |
| tessier | Does anyone really think the carbon offset thing could possibly work? Seems like someone actually needs to be in posession of the big blocks of carbon. Just to make sure it doesn't all got lost in fuzzy accounting. | Nov 25 21:49 |
| tessier | I saw a sticker on a car or truck or something the other day indicating that the pollution for the vehical was being compsensated for by carbon offsets from such and such place. | Nov 25 21:49 |
| tessier | vehicle | Nov 25 21:49 |
| tessier | But who really audits that stuff and who has any incentive to do so? | Nov 25 21:49 |
| tessier | Why can't I start selling carbon offsets based on nothing at all? But people will buy them because they think it is doing the right thing. Maybe I could even sell mine really cheap! | Nov 25 21:50 |
| tessier | It would be pure profit for me. | Nov 25 21:50 |
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| _goblin | Mr De Icaza has found Utopia: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Nov-23.html and he's "drooling" (his words) | Nov 25 21:57 |
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| MinceR | silverblight is miguel's panacea | Nov 25 21:57 |
| _goblin | He really is besotted isnt he? | Nov 25 21:59 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: droolingly yours | Nov 25 22:05 |
| *schestowitz drolls | Nov 25 22:05 | |
| *schestowitz drools | Nov 25 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | Speaking of which, nutcases drool too over this leak: http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/a7xpt/conspiracy_theories_commence_wikileaks_to_release/ | Nov 25 22:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Conspiracy theories commence: WikiLeaks to release over half a MILLION text messages from 9/11 : reddit.com .::. Size~: 452.39 KB | Nov 25 22:06 |
| _goblin | trouble is I can picture that image of Icaza drooling...its very disturbing.. | Nov 25 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe rabbies | Nov 25 22:06 |
| _goblin | I wonder what would happen if Silverblight was sentient and had a webcam.....a quick little connect up with a drooling Icaza? | Nov 25 22:06 |
| _goblin | The mind boggles....in a proprietary, lockin sort of way. | Nov 25 22:07 |
| schestowitz | http://scienceblogs.com/authority/2009/11/the_wikileaks_pager_archive_du.php | Nov 25 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | They say it's unlikely to be fake | Nov 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | THe bankers worry about downtime | Nov 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Business, business, business... gotta make money | Nov 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I'm gonna write more about Silver Lie soon | Nov 25 22:09 |
| tessier | http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/HeyWomen_WhereAreYou_201566-1.html#top | Nov 25 22:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] F70EXR is middling as camera, the ISO12800 trick remains way cool. Also the "merge 4 shots for better quality" trick. I am most pleased. | Nov 25 22:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Michigan State University Invests in #GNU #Linux Training http://www.wwj.com/MSU-Gives-Michigan-Works--200K-For-IT-Training/5749924 | Nov 25 22:59 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: WWJ Newsradio 950 - MSU Gives Michigan Works $200K For IT Training .::. Size~: 85.63 KB | Nov 25 22:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Five Ways of Exploring #GNU #Linux on the Desktop http://www.daniweb.com/news/story241106.html | Nov 25 23:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux in 5 Easy Steps - Getting Started and Choosing a Distro News Story .::. Size~: 51.07 KB | Nov 25 23:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Upcoming #GNU #Linux Events: LCA 2010, Others http://ur1.ca/gjkc http://ur1.ca/gjkd http://ur1.ca/gjke | Nov 25 23:03 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Expanding Career Options with Linux | Irish Developer Network ICT Portal .::. Size~: 16.5 KB | Nov 25 23:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #IBM Uses #GNU #Linux to Make Innovative Large #Servers http://ur1.ca/gjkh | Nov 25 23:04 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Todays supercomputers: far greater than the sum of their parts - SmartPlanet .::. Size~: 56.52 KB | Nov 25 23:04 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Reviews and Predictions for #ChromeOS http://ur1.ca/gjkk http://ur1.ca/gjkm http://ur1.ca/gjkn | Nov 25 23:06 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Five reasons Google Chrome OS Security Wins | ITworld .::. Size~: 86.13 KB | Nov 25 23:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Chrome OS: a first look Preview in Operating systems Reviews at ZDNet.co.uk - Page 1 .::. Size~: 107.36 KB | Nov 25 23:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Polar Bears and Penguins: Where is Google Chrome leading us? .::. Size~: 79.31 KB | Nov 25 23:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Space Analysis: Kernel #ModeSetting http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_12_ati&num=1 | Nov 25 23:10 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] The Cost Of ATI Kernel Mode-Setting On Fedora 12 .::. Size~: 19.94 KB | Nov 25 23:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeBSD 8.0 is Officially Released http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzczNg #bsd | Nov 25 23:12 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] FInally, FreeBSD 8.0 Released .::. Size~: 16.23 KB | Nov 25 23:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NVIDIA Brings Beta #Drivers for #Linux and #BSD http://ur1.ca/gjl3 http://ur1.ca/gjl4 | Nov 25 23:14 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] NVIDIA Pushes Out 195.22 Beta Linux Driver .::. Size~: 16.77 KB | Nov 25 23:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] NVIDIA 64-bit FreeBSD Beta Driver By Year's End .::. Size~: 16.88 KB | Nov 25 23:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Book About Inkscape, New Release of #Inkscape http://ur1.ca/gjld http://ur1.ca/gjle | Nov 25 23:16 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Book Review: The book of Inkscape: The definitive guide to the free graphic editor by Dmitry Kirsanov .::. Size~: 42.06 KB | Nov 25 23:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Inkscape 0.47 Released With a Batch of Cool Improvements .::. Size~: 33.1 KB | Nov 25 23:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Congrats to Rachael & Alan on the arrival of baby Drew on Friday. | Nov 25 23:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Proprietary Software for #GNu #Linux: Opera 10.10 http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3849721 | Nov 25 23:22 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What's New in the Opera 10.10 Browser? - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 142.44 KB | Nov 25 23:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Docky Separates from #Mono Trap http://lifehacker.com/5411278/docky-separates-from-gnome-do-still-a-clever-linux-app-dock | Nov 25 23:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Docky Separates from GNOME Do, Still a Clever Linux App Dock - Docky - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 63.51 KB | Nov 25 23:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE to Use Branding to Market the Free Desktop http://ur1.ca/gix1 http://ur1.ca/gjm0 | Nov 25 23:25 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Repositioning the KDE Brand | KDE.news .::. Size~: 72.65 KB | Nov 25 23:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Asinen | Why the rebranding? .::. Size~: 11.29 KB | Nov 25 23:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RHEL Clone #ScientificLinux 5.4 Is Released, #Fedora 12 Overview http://ur1.ca/gjm5 http://ur1.ca/gjm7 | Nov 25 23:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Live CD/DVD of Scientific Linux 5.4 Is Out - Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.4 - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.96 KB | Nov 25 23:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KOffice 2.1 is Released http://ur1.ca/gjmc http://ur1.ca/gjme | Nov 25 23:29 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: KOffice 2.1 Released | KDE.news .::. Size~: 22.49 KB | Nov 25 23:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: KDE Community Repositions Brand, Releases KOffice 2.1 .::. Size~: 114.13 KB | Nov 25 23:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux and Anine Unite Their Powers http://blog.thesilentnumber.me/2009/11/can-ubuntu-reach-over-16000-anime.html | Nov 25 23:34 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Silent Number: Can Ubuntu reach over 16,000 anime lovers in April? .::. Size~: 154.89 KB | Nov 25 23:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10 Tested on #Flash , Still Behind Some Distros http://ur1.ca/gjmo http://ur1.ca/gi0s | Nov 25 23:37 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu: Time for Another Reality Check | WorksWithU .::. Size~: 51.65 KB | Nov 25 23:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Derivatives #Jolicloud and and T.O.S.S - Early Look http://ur1.ca/gjmq http://ur1.ca/gjmr | Nov 25 23:39 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] Jolicloud "Robby" Beta To Ship WIth Linux 2.6.32 .::. Size~: 18.99 KB | Nov 25 23:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Interview with TOSS developers .::. Size~: 44.93 KB | Nov 25 23:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tivo (with Linux) Comes to UK, Spies with #Google http://ur1.ca/gjmy http://ur1.ca/gjn0 | Nov 25 23:41 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tivo to return to UK in 2010 • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 16.42 KB | Nov 25 23:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google eyeballs to track Tivo watchers • The Register .::. Size~: 29.52 KB | Nov 25 23:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Powerful #RISC Cores Target #Linux , Not Windows http://ur1.ca/gjnh | Nov 25 23:49 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Multi-threaded RISC cores released for Linux, Android - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 65.13 KB | Nov 25 23:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Subnotebooks with #GNU #Linux Drop Considerably in Price http://ur1.ca/gjnl | Nov 25 23:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based #Nokia #N900 Has Good Potential with Developers http://ur1.ca/gjno | Nov 25 23:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: "Going Rogue" sells 500,000 copies, some read http://notnews.today.com/2009/11/25/going-rogue-sells-500000-copies-some-read/ | Nov 25 23:54 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: &And the survey says: Nokia N900 is a developers dream! | NokNok.tv .::. Size~: 47.88 KB | Nov 25 23:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Going Rogue sells 500,000 copies, some read - News of the News .::. Size~: 35.29 KB | Nov 25 23:54 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Mobile Environment for #Linux Surfaces http://ur1.ca/gjnq http://ur1.ca/gjnr | Nov 25 23:56 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: First ELSE Linux phone: hands-on photos! | Electricpig .::. Size~: 59.67 KB | Nov 25 23:56 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Emblaze Mobile Unveils Else Intuition Linux Smartphone - ITProPortal.com .::. Size~: 51.39 KB | Nov 25 23:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android Phones Have #VoIP as Killer App http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/11/24/road-to-going-droid-finale/ | Nov 25 23:58 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Road to going Droid, Finale .::. Size~: 30.98 KB | Nov 25 23:58 |
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