-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Growing Very Popular, Says Older #MySQL CEO http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/software/0,39044822,62059572,00.htm | Nov 26 00:05 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox Develops Faster Than Rivals http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10403604-264.html | Nov 26 00:10 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Web Browser Now Opening to Many Extensions http://ur1.ca/gjon http://ur1.ca/gjoo | Nov 26 00:13 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Eclipse 4 Gets Exceptionally Good http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Eclipse-4-goes-a-mile-further-867979.html | Nov 26 00:15 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wikipedia co-founder Defends Openness as Reliable Paradigm http://ur1.ca/gjoy | Nov 26 00:18 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Failure of #DRM: EBooks http://www.teleread.org/2009/11/23/rise-in-piracy-one-more-reason-to-ditch-digital-rights-management/ | Nov 26 00:26 | |
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yuhong | I think it is time to talk about the difference between design and normal patents | Nov 26 00:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nicaragua Moves Young Generation to #GNU #Linux http://leogg.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/20000-ubuntu-laptops-for-teachers-in-nicaragua/ | Nov 26 00:33 | |
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yuhong | http://www.askwoody.com/2009/microsoft-fesses-stealing-code/ | Nov 26 00:33 |
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yuhong | But definitely in the sense that the culture at Microsoft still – after all these years – still emphasizes exigency over fair play. | Nov 26 00:34 |
yuhong | "But definitely in the sense that the culture at Microsoft still – after all these years – still emphasizes exigency over fair play." | Nov 26 00:34 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Beginning of the End for #Microsoft, Due to #FreeSoftware http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/11/24/the-begining-of-the-end/ | Nov 26 00:35 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's Violation of the #GPL Still Lacking Remedy http://ur1.ca/gjqh | Nov 26 00:36 | |
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yuhong | Port 25's response: http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/11/20/update-on-the-windows-7-usb-dvd-tool.aspx | Nov 26 00:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell VP "Drools" Over Proprietary Software That Advances #Windows http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29599/1090/ | Nov 26 00:38 | |
schestowitz | Hey, yuhong | Nov 26 00:39 |
Ender2070 | sara ford made a comment on port25 | Nov 26 00:40 |
yuhong | After another article on slashdot on another Google design patent, I think it is time to talk about the difference between design and normal patents | Nov 26 00:40 |
yuhong | Hi. | Nov 26 00:40 |
schestowitz | Microsoft employee....... | Nov 26 00:40 |
Ender2070 | "Hi! I’m the Program Manager for CodePlex. The project was unpublished at the project owner's request. The owner can republish the project at any time.Let me know if you have any other questions about the site.Thanks,-sara" | Nov 26 00:40 |
yuhong | Yep, I noticed it too. | Nov 26 00:41 |
Ender2070 | was also at pdc with miguel | Nov 26 00:41 |
schestowitz | Microsoft reunion | Nov 26 00:41 |
yuhong | Did you get this quote from askwoody? | Nov 26 00:42 |
yuhong | "But definitely in the sense that the culture at Microsoft still – after all these years – still emphasizes exigency over fair play." | Nov 26 00:42 |
schestowitz | Rendezvous of the charlatans | Nov 26 00:42 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 26 00:42 |
schestowitz | Managers are the same thugs | Nov 26 00:42 |
schestowitz | Including Steve Soprano | Nov 26 00:43 |
yuhong | Yep. | Nov 26 00:43 |
yuhong | And the funny thing about the "non-tested DOS warning code" MS introduced with QuickPascal in early 1989 is that I actually once ran some MS products from 1990 that had this code under Windows 2000's NTVDM, and I can tell you that it fails this test. | Nov 26 00:47 |
yuhong | Often it was hidden as many MS products from that era shipped with both DOS and OS/2 versions in one package (often in the same executable), and 2000 had an OS/2 subsystem as well. | Nov 26 00:49 |
yuhong | But if you force it to run under NTVDM using FORCEDOS or tried to ran some of the real-mode only EXEs, like QBX in BASIC 7.1, you could see the message, and it could be annoying. | Nov 26 00:50 |
yuhong | And do you know what could be MS's most recent attempt to sabotage OEM dual-boot computers. | Nov 26 00:59 |
yuhong | MS changed the System Builder agreement to require Windows be installed using the OPK in 2005. | Nov 26 01:00 |
yuhong | http://oem.microsoft.com/public/sblicense/2008_sb_licenses/fy08_sb_license_english.pdf | Nov 26 01:00 |
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yuhong | Some said it could be another attempt to sabotage OEM dual-boot computers. | Nov 26 01:01 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nicaragua is Moving to GNU/Linux for Independence [+refs] http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/nicaragua-schools-gnu-linux-fs/ | Nov 26 01:12 | |
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schestowitz | fewa: that video you gave is quite good | Nov 26 01:23 |
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schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm.......... | Nov 26 01:40 |
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schestowitz | <audio> doesn't show up in Firefox for me... | Nov 26 01:41 |
bethlynn | hi folks | Nov 26 01:41 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/sflc-audio-on-novell-deal/ | Nov 26 01:41 |
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cubezzz | open solaris and fedora 11 don't play nice either | Nov 26 01:41 |
schestowitz | Does it work for anyone else? | Nov 26 01:41 |
schestowitz | Hey, Beth | Nov 26 01:41 |
schestowitz | What's new? | Nov 26 01:41 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Ignored Staff’s Own Advice Before Selling Out to #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/sflc-audio-on-novell-deal/ | Nov 26 01:41 | |
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cubezzz | but that is just an oversight | Nov 26 01:41 |
schestowitz | Firefox sometimes doesn't do the <audio> thing all right | Nov 26 01:41 |
cubezzz | there are many combinations of software which don't work well together | Nov 26 01:41 |
schestowitz | No idea why...... | Nov 26 01:41 |
schestowitz | Bug maybe. | Nov 26 01:41 |
bethlynn | happy thanksgiving to any americans in the house | Nov 26 01:43 |
Ender2070 | im trying out firefox 3.7 | Nov 26 01:43 |
bethlynn | there's been over 400million firefox downloads since June | Nov 26 01:43 |
bethlynn | I just found that out while doing research for a recent story, wow! | Nov 26 01:44 |
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fewa | <audio> has worked fine for me | Nov 26 01:45 |
fewa | but it only support off vorbis | Nov 26 01:46 |
fewa | *ogg vorbis | Nov 26 01:46 |
fewa | and i believe .wav | Nov 26 01:46 |
_Hicham_ | what r u talking about fewa ? | Nov 26 01:48 |
bethlynn | have you guys seen this? A documentary on how Microsoft killed netscape (not CodeRush) http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/technology_and_gaming/watch/v17693501fZywknDf#watch%3Dv17598850JAWt4YXE | Nov 26 01:48 |
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cubezzz | flash :-/ | Nov 26 01:52 |
cubezzz | ok, clipboarded over to another machine | Nov 26 01:55 |
cubezzz | flash with ads ..... | Nov 26 01:56 |
bethlynn | once you are through the intro ad, that's it | Nov 26 01:57 |
bethlynn | it would be funny if it was a windows 7 ad | Nov 26 01:57 |
bethlynn | bleed those suckers dry | Nov 26 01:57 |
cubezzz | ok, it's really discovery channel | Nov 26 01:57 |
cubezzz | so it shouldn't be difficult to find a non-flash source | Nov 26 01:58 |
bethlynn | yup, the discovery channel produced it | Nov 26 01:58 |
bethlynn | a place that won't get a take down? | Nov 26 01:59 |
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cubezzz | haha | Nov 26 01:59 |
bethlynn | I hate defective-by-design methods too | Nov 26 01:59 |
bethlynn | hi Balrog | Nov 26 01:59 |
cubezzz | I'll find it | Nov 26 01:59 |
Balrog | hello bethlynn | Nov 26 01:59 |
bethlynn | thank you very much cubezzz | Nov 26 01:59 |
Balrog | idk if you heard but Apple filed a patent infringement lawsuit concerning their AC adapter ... it's not about the magnetic connector though, rather the industrial design of the brick (this other company basically copied it) | Nov 26 02:00 |
Balrog | a lot of the people on the forums are assuming it's about the magnetic connector, which is not accurate | Nov 26 02:00 |
bethlynn | why? apple power bricks suck | Nov 26 02:00 |
Balrog | if you're going to make a replacement, why make the physical size/shape identical??? | Nov 26 02:01 |
Balrog | (physical design) | Nov 26 02:01 |
cubezzz | you need a non-north american source | Nov 26 02:02 |
bethlynn | do the connectors still fray? | Nov 26 02:02 |
Balrog | the MacBook Air and MacBook connectors don't | Nov 26 02:03 |
Balrog | they haven't updated the MacBook Pro charger connectors yet :( | Nov 26 02:03 |
cubezzz | http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4317982/Discovery.Download.The.True.Story.of.the.Internet.1of4.Browser.W.4317982.TPB.torrent | Nov 26 02:03 |
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cubezzz | sorry for taking so long :) | Nov 26 02:03 |
bethlynn | sorry, I should have specified that I prefer legal, or at least in the clear, video links | Nov 26 02:04 |
schestowitz | [01:43] <bethlynn> there's been over 400million firefox downloads since June | Nov 26 02:04 |
Balrog | fraying connectors are usually caused by yanking the connector by the cable. I've seen this with other stuff | Nov 26 02:04 |
schestowitz | How many the Linux version? :-) | Nov 26 02:04 |
schestowitz | Same issue with OOo... we don't get counted | Nov 26 02:05 |
bethlynn | I'd host it myself but I don't want a take-down fcc hassel | Nov 26 02:05 |
bethlynn | hold on, looking for the link for Roy | Nov 26 02:05 |
schestowitz | Thanks | Nov 26 02:06 |
cubezzz | hmm? ok, I'll host it then | Nov 26 02:06 |
schestowitz | I've bookmarked the Veoh video for viewing later | Nov 26 02:06 |
schestowitz | I'm just doing some posts at the moment | Nov 26 02:06 |
cubezzz | I don't understand why a torrent is illegal but veoh is? | Nov 26 02:07 |
cubezzz | haha, Gates looks like the Devil in this | Nov 26 02:08 |
bethlynn | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/stats/ < sadly it only talks about geo-diversity | Nov 26 02:10 |
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schestowitz | bethlynn: thanks, looking | Nov 26 02:11 |
schestowitz | Hmmmm... it need JS | Nov 26 02:11 |
bethlynn | watch the market share grow http://downloadstats.mozilla.com/ | Nov 26 02:11 |
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schestowitz | At least it's not Flash | Nov 26 02:11 |
cubezzz | it's an interesting show, worth watching | Nov 26 02:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Fans Still Spread Microsoft’s Lies Against #GNU #Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/confirmed-lies-market-share-fud/ | Nov 26 02:12 | |
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cubezzz | yeah Netscape got crunched | Nov 26 02:17 |
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bethlynn_ | sorry, ie crashed | Nov 26 02:17 |
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cubezzz | ??? | Nov 26 02:17 |
*bethlynn_ is using Vista to understand the users' pain | Nov 26 02:17 | |
cubezzz | it's really really bad :) | Nov 26 02:18 |
cubezzz | I like to be succinct | Nov 26 02:19 |
bethlynn_ | I have the badvista.org sticker on the machine to remind me how bad it is | Nov 26 02:22 |
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cubezzz | try this instead: | Nov 26 02:23 |
cubezzz | http://xhgc18.blogspot.com/2008/09/discovery-channel-download-true-story.html | Nov 26 02:23 |
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bethlynn | thanks, I will offer both options | Nov 26 02:25 |
bethlynn | not all folks know how to extract a .rar | Nov 26 02:25 |
cubezzz | both? So you changed your mind about Pirate Bay? :) | Nov 26 02:26 |
cubezzz | j/k | Nov 26 02:26 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] presto enabled upgrades is it possible? !fedora | Nov 26 02:26 | |
cubezzz | rapidshare will probably be the fastest anyway | Nov 26 02:27 |
cubezzz | I can remember before netscape, way before | Nov 26 02:29 |
cubezzz | there was viola and erwise | Nov 26 02:29 |
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cubezzz | viola might even predate mosiac | Nov 26 02:30 |
cubezzz | I saw the original Next Computer at Waterloo | Nov 26 02:32 |
cubezzz | in the late 1980's | Nov 26 02:32 |
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cubezzz | they were playing Arkanoid on it :) | Nov 26 02:33 |
bethlynn | old article but it makes a good point about how difficult tracking firefox in Linux use is http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/06/28/firefox-3-download-day-made-possible-by-windows/ | Nov 26 02:34 |
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cubezzz | unfortunately a lot of good ideas and products got crunched | Nov 26 02:34 |
cubezzz | but really we didn't have freedom | Nov 26 02:35 |
cubezzz | probably not until 1994 | Nov 26 02:35 |
bethlynn | next was Steve Jobs' baby | Nov 26 02:35 |
bethlynn | Apple will continue to be proprietary nonsense as long as he is around | Nov 26 02:36 |
bethlynn | but when he leaves, Apple will be an ally | Nov 26 02:36 |
cubezzz | well next computer wasn't using FOSS either | Nov 26 02:37 |
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cubezzz | we don't have 100% FOSS yet actually | Nov 26 02:38 |
bethlynn | well, the source for mach is available http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/mach/public/www/mach.html | Nov 26 02:39 |
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cubezzz | basically companies like Analog Devices make you sign a NDA | Nov 26 02:39 |
bethlynn | it depends on how you define foss | Nov 26 02:39 |
cubezzz | so you can't show people documentation on the chips | Nov 26 02:39 |
cubezzz | define FOSS, for me is you have all the source code for everything and you can modify it at least for yourself | Nov 26 02:40 |
cubezzz | call that FOSS level 1 | Nov 26 02:40 |
bethlynn | what a blast from the past on the cmu web site "Many of these links point to very large tar files. Be careful what you press, it could crash your browser. If you are using Mosaic, you can use the Load To Local Disk button under the Options menu to download a tar file onto your machine." | Nov 26 02:40 |
cubezzz | not necessarily GPL, but you have the source code, or at least you have programming specifications for all your hardware | Nov 26 02:41 |
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cubezzz | so zaurus would fail my definition | Nov 26 02:42 |
bethlynn | what about droid? | Nov 26 02:42 |
bethlynn | i'm sorry for flame baiting and bailing... too tired. goodnight everyone | Nov 26 02:49 |
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cubezzz | I don't know enough about it to even say | Nov 26 02:49 |
cubezzz | there's probably binary blobs in there for it to work though | Nov 26 02:49 |
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cubezzz | SD cards are also a problem | Nov 26 02:49 |
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cubezzz | yeah, there's a ton of work to be done obviously | Nov 26 02:51 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Boycott #Google , Says #Microsoft to Publishers http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/microsoft-google-boycott/ | Nov 26 02:51 | |
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cubezzz | I guess there's no discovery channel stuff on youtube then | Nov 26 02:52 |
cubezzz | oops, no it's there too :) | Nov 26 02:53 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got a Comcast Radian6 reply again | Nov 26 02:56 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is dumping 3 license packs of Office 2007 for $64 | Nov 26 03:05 |
cubezzz | hold me back :) | Nov 26 03:07 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: nice, pass the details | Nov 26 03:08 |
schestowitz | Or publish them | Nov 26 03:08 |
schestowitz | We have no profile on those marketing scum yet | Nov 26 03:09 |
schestowitz | I actually thought about them this morning cause I saw your blog post re COmcast | Nov 26 03:09 |
schestowitz | I guess it was a matter of time until it blipped on their radar | Nov 26 03:09 |
cubezzz | back in an hour or so | Nov 26 03:09 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Comcast initiates Operation Fuck Over The Subscribers 2010 as of the 10th of December B-) | Nov 26 03:14 |
DaemonFC | nothing like a head start | Nov 26 03:15 |
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ender2070 | are you sure you don't have these all the time? http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/11/18/bacon-mug-looks-delicious/ | Nov 26 03:23 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft May Have Failed to Comply With the #GNU #GPL (Again) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/microsoft-lies-about-complying/ | Nov 26 03:29 | |
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schestowitz | Does anyone mind helping with transcription? | Nov 26 03:31 |
schestowitz | Can anyone get the text from the ogg file? | Nov 26 03:32 |
schestowitz | "Dear Roy, | Nov 26 03:32 |
schestowitz | "Though you see no comments from me lately there is no day that I read boycottnovell. Just busy with four children, work, home and homework. I think you understand. | Nov 26 03:32 |
schestowitz | "Anyway, I always translate your articles to Spanish and email them to teachers in my birth country Peru. We do have to protect freedom everywhere so that's my grain of sand. | Nov 26 03:32 |
schestowitz | "Today there was a nice ogg file about the convicted thug and its patents in Mosanto, the mosanto-patents.ogg. I wish I could have the transcript to translate it and send it to Peru. | Nov 26 03:32 |
schestowitz | "Please if do you have the transcript can you email it to me or publish it on the site so this group of peruvian teachers can benefit from it. No rush please, just enjoy your Thanksgiving and above all Thanks for Boycottnovell. | Nov 26 03:32 |
schestowitz | "Thank you very much and Happy Thanksgiving for you and everyone who makes your site possible. | Nov 26 03:32 |
schestowitz | wallclimber usually had time and will to do this | Nov 26 03:32 |
schestowitz | I'll ask when she's back... | Nov 26 03:33 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: are you doing an expose about them? | Nov 26 03:33 |
DaemonFC | Just wrote about it | Nov 26 03:35 |
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schestowitz | Hahahaha! | Nov 26 03:42 |
schestowitz | "We_Can_Help@cable.comcast.com." | Nov 26 03:42 |
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schestowitz | Obama "Yes we Can" | Nov 26 03:43 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: I was looking up brake checking | Nov 26 03:54 |
DaemonFC | I usually just gradually slow down and trap the guy behind me at 15 miles per hour for a while | Nov 26 03:54 |
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DaemonFC | I got a bunch of Lady Grey tea | Nov 26 04:12 |
DaemonFC | it's not bad | Nov 26 04:13 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Salivating Over #Silverlight http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/novl-salivating-over-silverlight/ #traitor | Nov 26 04:38 | |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: I gotta zzz, but if you have something on Radian666 [sic], that would be good | Nov 26 04:39 |
oiaohm | Thanks schestowitz you just reminded me that I need to post a bug over plasma | Nov 26 04:42 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvVp7b5gzqU | Nov 26 04:46 |
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oiaohm | DaemonFC: Not as bad a telstra unless you know the combination you sitt on the phone being asked 50 question automatically. | Nov 26 05:01 |
oiaohm | Note the 50 questions take 30 mins before you even get qued. | Nov 26 05:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I rated a YouTube video (5 out of 5 stars) -- Phase 3 pt.7 (Imperialism - By War or Consensus) http://bit.ly/54fiOR | Nov 26 05:02 | |
oiaohm | http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2009/11/altitude-capital-partners-altitude-nines-v-deep-nines.html Nice example of patent black hole. | Nov 26 05:05 |
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oiaohm | Lawyers | Nov 26 05:05 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] "Giving up the GIMP is a sign of Ubuntu's mainstream maturity" http://bit.ly/7wX5Jl - Well put coherent article. | Nov 26 06:47 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] What patents can do in a developing world ,how monsanto seed patents hurts the badly farmers must watch #video http://tinyurl.com/yfwngpc | Nov 26 06:56 | |
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DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/microsoft-issues-take-down-notices-over-spilled-cofee.ars | Nov 26 06:59 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Just finished listening to software freedom law show http://tinyurl.com/ybpynuy - jeremy allison of the samba team #nice | Nov 26 07:01 | |
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DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/microsoft-leaks-tool-that-lets-law-enforcement-turn-off-your-hard-disk-encryption-clear-your-passwords-and-scoop-up-batches-of-evidence/ | Nov 26 07:18 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @UKComedyNews The flat used in 'The Young Ones' is available to rent. Estate agent listing: http://bit.ly/5I5pVb | Nov 26 07:58 | |
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DaemonFC | I love Operation Repo | Nov 26 08:28 |
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DaemonFC | :) | Nov 26 08:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] a couple of days on, and central heating is officially fun | Nov 26 08:30 | |
DaemonFC | I prefer electric heat | Nov 26 08:30 |
DaemonFC | gas costs a fortune compared to the electric radiators on the walls | Nov 26 08:31 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.opera.com/browser/next/ | Nov 26 08:44 |
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DaemonFC | Opera 10.2 Alpha is out | Nov 26 08:44 |
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tessier | Groklaw's latest is a nice smoking gun. | Nov 26 08:52 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Tim Berners Lee in the European Parliament next Tue about smashing the patent parasites: "One Web, free and open for all" http://i5.be/Vo | Nov 26 09:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Push for more monopolies and patent litigation in Europe for more growth and jobs in the patent industry: http://i5.be/Vp | Nov 26 09:35 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY8MKLNL-m4 | Nov 26 11:09 |
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schestowitz | Prosecutors Press Case Against Google in Italy < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/26/technology/companies/26video.html?_r=1 > | Nov 26 11:15 |
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schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/department-of-justice-other-agencies-focus-on-fighting-fraud/?cs=37729 | Nov 26 11:17 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/26/google_new_look_test_november_09/ | Nov 26 11:24 |
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schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/k-desktop-environment-is-dead-long-live-kde | Nov 26 11:28 |
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schestowitz | tessier: BN has already covered these memos | Nov 26 11:34 |
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*zer0c00l has just screwed up the telephonic interview | Nov 26 11:43 | |
zer0c00l | :P | Nov 26 11:43 |
oiaohm | Could have been worse zer0c00l | Nov 26 11:50 |
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schestowitz | Apple fans afraid of Google Chrome OS? http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/11/25/ars-jon-stokes-hails-chrome-os-as-the-second-coming-of-the-pc/ | Nov 26 12:16 |
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MinceR | they have every reason to -- it's a dumb os that's hyped a lot ;) | Nov 26 12:22 |
MinceR | so it's fully on macos' turf | Nov 26 12:22 |
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oiaohm | Biggest question with chrome OS is if it will have a web cache. If it does then it will be interesting. | Nov 26 12:32 |
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MinceR | the cache of the browser? | Nov 26 12:34 |
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ThistleWeb | oiaohm: an even bigger question will be "can it install other apps?" | Nov 26 12:34 |
oiaohm | ThistleWeb: its the same question. | Nov 26 12:34 |
oiaohm | One of the chrome browser ideas was the offline usable web application. | Nov 26 12:35 |
oiaohm | Using the web cache. | Nov 26 12:35 |
ThistleWeb | hmmm, here I though cache and apps were different, my bad | Nov 26 12:35 |
MinceR | perhaps they'll combine google gears with the native code plugin and reinvent the locally installed native application :> | Nov 26 12:35 |
ThistleWeb | I can't think of anything worse than the entire OS data mining you and not allowing you any escape to non-google apps | Nov 26 12:35 |
oiaohm | chrome os does not stop other web apps from working. even allows you to put the url up as a applicaiton tab. Big thing is will it or will it not have a web cache allowing off line operation. | Nov 26 12:37 |
ThistleWeb | web apps != apps | Nov 26 12:37 |
MinceR | there are worse things than that -- say, allowing the owner of the platform control your machine | Nov 26 12:37 |
MinceR | via invisibly pushed updates, backdoors and killswitches | Nov 26 12:37 |
ThistleWeb | MinceR: true, aren't google forcing updates? | Nov 26 12:37 |
MinceR | dunno | Nov 26 12:37 |
oiaohm | android yes. | Nov 26 12:37 |
MinceR | i know m$ has done such things. | Nov 26 12:38 |
ThistleWeb | I thought that was part of the plan to keep it secure, that they can refresh it anytime they like | Nov 26 12:38 |
ThistleWeb | with any changes they see fit | Nov 26 12:38 |
oiaohm | Even if a platform allows apps ie iphone those can still have auto forced out updates. | Nov 26 12:38 |
ThistleWeb | so any hacks you find to keep google's greasy mitts away from data mining your stuff can be "fixed" Apple style with an enforced update | Nov 26 12:39 |
ThistleWeb | I could be wrong | Nov 26 12:39 |
oiaohm | At least with web apps you still have the option of running your own web server hosting your own apps. | Nov 26 12:39 |
ThistleWeb | it's still an early look, which may change | Nov 26 12:39 |
oiaohm | So removing remote updating on you. | Nov 26 12:39 |
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oiaohm | Now the key question is the web cache. | Nov 26 12:40 |
ThistleWeb | they may bring in stuff to address this type of issue later on in the dev cycle | Nov 26 12:40 |
oiaohm | Who ever controls the update system can data mine if they really wish to. | Nov 26 12:41 |
ThistleWeb | google are VERY focussed on data mining | Nov 26 12:44 |
oiaohm | Chrome OS is not exactly a dumb idea. Create a core of OS that all bar the update system for the core nothing else touches. Now if all data is stored in webcache that is also simple to clear. To get equal to a clean reinstall. | Nov 26 12:44 |
ThistleWeb | everything they do revolves around it | Nov 26 12:44 |
oiaohm | To data mine cloud storage and tracking cookies and the like works anyhow ThistleWeb | Nov 26 12:45 |
ThistleWeb | it's how they offer their stuff free of charge to use | Nov 26 12:45 |
MinceR | afaik the other "instant-on" systems work better than chrome os | Nov 26 12:46 |
oiaohm | Of course adveristing revenue. | Nov 26 12:46 |
ThistleWeb | your currency is that your stuff is data mined and adverts shoved at you | Nov 26 12:46 |
MinceR | they boot faster and they do more | Nov 26 12:46 |
kecskebak | MinceR: You're talking about a BBC Micro there aren't you ;) | Nov 26 12:47 |
MinceR | no, i'm talking about SplashTop and HyperSpace | Nov 26 12:47 |
MinceR | i think they're closer to what chrome os does than full-featured desktop distros | Nov 26 12:48 |
ThistleWeb | chromos is interesting and great for a lot of casual users, I won't be touching it however | Nov 26 12:49 |
oiaohm | If chrome os does not have a offline mode it will be dead man walking. | Nov 26 12:50 |
oiaohm | There are suspend image stunts that could get chrome os down to 1 sec. | Nov 26 12:50 |
oiaohm | And direct mapped into memory stunts as well. | Nov 26 12:51 |
oiaohm | 7 seconds without using stunts is not the greatest but its not exactly shockly bad. | Nov 26 12:51 |
*popey notes it's not even finished yet | Nov 26 12:51 | |
popey | and will get more speedups as a result of work ubuntu is doing | Nov 26 12:52 |
oiaohm | Don't over look the disc io changes coming to 2.6.32 kernel either popey | Nov 26 12:52 |
oiaohm | Disc io is one of the biggest lag causes in current boot ups. | Nov 26 12:53 |
popey | yeah, looks promising | Nov 26 12:53 |
oiaohm | Just the disc io could see chrome OS under 5 sec | Nov 26 12:53 |
oiaohm | Most don't get why suspend to ram is bad from a secuirty point of view | Nov 26 12:55 |
schestowitz | Google showed something very early cause of PDC.... | Nov 26 12:55 |
schestowitz | It'll improve, there's lots of time | Nov 26 12:55 |
schestowitz | Remember Android 1.0 | Nov 26 12:55 |
schestowitz | It wasn't until 1.5 or 1.6 that it got extremely popular | Nov 26 12:55 |
oiaohm | Android 1.0 was known to crash the unstable bit of work. | Nov 26 12:56 |
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schestowitz | Bruce is at it again.... http://itmanagement.earthweb.com//article.php/3849976 This headline is well over the top. To suggest that _everyone_ *hates* Ubuntu is simply incorrect. It's neither everyone nor a case of hate. | Nov 26 12:58 |
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schestowitz | I bet James changed the headline as usual, to provoke | Nov 26 12:58 |
oiaohm | Lot of people hate Ubuntu. | Nov 26 12:59 |
oiaohm | Most recent one was kdevelop developers. | Nov 26 12:59 |
oiaohm | for Ubuntu including beta5 of it on kubuntu and not the stable version. | Nov 26 13:00 |
oiaohm | Ubuntu maintainers really need to be pulled into line. | Nov 26 13:00 |
popey | I'd not seen the kdevelop rant before, but then I don't follow the kde/kubuntu community much | Nov 26 13:13 |
popey | seems a vaugely valid argument, but it might be nice if they y'know release sometime | Nov 26 13:14 |
oiaohm | http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/ Read popey | Nov 26 13:22 |
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popey | yeah, i just read it | Nov 26 13:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.olpcnews.com/laptops/xo1/donate_your_unloved_xo_laptops.html | Nov 26 13:24 |
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oiaohm | Those are real developers on the projects popey | Nov 26 13:24 |
oiaohm | I have been on ubuntu maintainers recieving end with wine. | Nov 26 13:24 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: pulseaudio too (annoyed at Ubuntu) | Nov 26 13:25 |
oiaohm | Attempting to backport patches in wine is insanity. | Nov 26 13:25 |
oiaohm | No developer in even wine core list of developers have skill even todo that. | Nov 26 13:25 |
schestowitz | But all in all, I think many KDE people resent Ubuntu because it made KDE less widely used | Nov 26 13:26 |
oiaohm | There is project after project sick of Ubuntu maintainers. | Nov 26 13:26 |
oiaohm | Gnome KDE XFCE it don't matter what desktop. | Nov 26 13:26 |
kecskebak | This is interesting - I understand why Mark Shuttleworth was trying to persuade upstream apps to go for six month of 12 month release cycles now. | Nov 26 13:27 |
kecskebak | I didn't really understand why he was stressing it so much before. | Nov 26 13:28 |
oiaohm | Even when projects do Ubuntu maintainers don't leave the code alone kecskebak | Nov 26 13:28 |
oiaohm | So causing problems for upstream. | Nov 26 13:28 |
kecskebak | What sort of things do Ubuntu maintainers do? | Nov 26 13:28 |
oiaohm | New version is released with patched they back port some of the patches and don't run the latter provided test cases that show opps program is now broken massively then ships it out to end users. | Nov 26 13:29 |
oiaohm | So poor projects get stack of bugs that should not exist. Even worse they don't update the version numbers to reflect that they have been tampering. | Nov 26 13:30 |
kecskebak | I actually went to using an Ubuntu alpha so that I could get a working WINE once, now I understand why. | Nov 26 13:30 |
popey | do you have more examples of that? | Nov 26 13:30 |
popey | ubuntu users generally file their bugs in launchpad, not upstream | Nov 26 13:31 |
oiaohm | Back port of pulseaudio patches. | Nov 26 13:31 |
oiaohm | popey: | Nov 26 13:31 |
popey | pulseaudio is a special case :) | Nov 26 13:31 |
oiaohm | In wine | Nov 26 13:31 |
popey | canonical have a wine maintainer, scott | Nov 26 13:31 |
oiaohm | wine test suite would not run the audio section at all. | Nov 26 13:31 |
oiaohm | Had to battle for 2 years to get a sane maintainer put in place. | Nov 26 13:31 |
kecskebak | Yes, I remember - even looking at the audio setup tab would cause Wine to crash. | Nov 26 13:32 |
oiaohm | This is repeated over and over again popey | Nov 26 13:32 |
popey | well, thats why I'm asking for examples | Nov 26 13:32 |
oiaohm | There is no auditor who job is to investage and remove bad maintainers at ubuntu. | Nov 26 13:33 |
oiaohm | All you can do is hope the bad one quits. | Nov 26 13:33 |
popey | thats not true, if someone does something wrong, you can raise it with the team they're in | Nov 26 13:33 |
oiaohm | Done. | Nov 26 13:33 |
oiaohm | Does not work. | Nov 26 13:33 |
popey | where was that done? | Nov 26 13:34 |
oiaohm | Classic recent on wine is naming development version of wine 1.2 causing hell load of confusion in wine support thinking wine 1.2 is not released | Nov 26 13:34 |
oiaohm | Nice way to screw up tracking. Create fake version numbers. This was last 12 months popey | Nov 26 13:35 |
oiaohm | Formal request of reverse of that has been done. No change so far popey | Nov 26 13:35 |
popey | where? | Nov 26 13:36 |
oiaohm | That was Ubuntu again popey | Nov 26 13:36 |
popey | no, where was it raised | Nov 26 13:36 |
popey | the formal request you mentioned | Nov 26 13:37 |
oiaohm | That was done by scott internally. popey. | Nov 26 13:38 |
oiaohm | Lot of particular things should not be going on. | Nov 26 13:38 |
oiaohm | What is happing to wine kdevelop... Is basically a large percentage of Ubuntu maintainers and disk designers. | Nov 26 13:39 |
popey | the "formal request" was sent by scott? | Nov 26 13:39 |
oiaohm | Yep popey | Nov 26 13:39 |
popey | well, so far I've seen only two examples, kdevelop and wine | Nov 26 13:39 |
oiaohm | We have tried everything else in the past with no effect popey | Nov 26 13:39 |
oiaohm | did you not read the first post there popey | Nov 26 13:40 |
popey | "there"? | Nov 26 13:40 |
oiaohm | digikam also suffering from the same problem | Nov 26 13:40 |
oiaohm | The kdevelop one popey | Nov 26 13:40 |
popey | yes, i did | Nov 26 13:40 |
oiaohm | The more you dig the more you will find. | Nov 26 13:40 |
oiaohm | Even pulseaudio has compained at Ubuntu at times for backporting instead of version updating. | Nov 26 13:41 |
popey | where "pulseaudio" = "lennart" | Nov 26 13:41 |
oiaohm | Yep popey | Nov 26 13:41 |
popey | who has in the past made lots of complaints at ubuntu | Nov 26 13:41 |
popey | some/many of which are unfounded/inflammatory/unnecessary | Nov 26 13:41 |
oiaohm | Also project lead pulseaudio | Nov 26 13:41 |
popey | AIUI he is reigning that in | Nov 26 13:42 |
popey | yes, being project lead doesn't give him carte blanche to be a dick | Nov 26 13:42 |
popey | same for anyone | Nov 26 13:42 |
oiaohm | Project lead does mean you should have final say if patches back porting is sane. | Nov 26 13:42 |
oiaohm | Ubuntu maintainers don't bother asking. | Nov 26 13:43 |
popey | i dont believe that | Nov 26 13:43 |
oiaohm | Fedora mandriva suse maintainers if back porting patches will ask if its sane. | Nov 26 13:43 |
popey | I dont believe that the project lead should have final say | Nov 26 13:43 |
popey | people probably didnt ask lennart because he was utterly unapproachable | Nov 26 13:43 |
oiaohm | Just in case there is something the project lead knows is important. | Nov 26 13:43 |
popey | I've filed bugs in pulse and been told not to waste lennarts time | Nov 26 13:43 |
oiaohm | They don't ask wine developers either or kdevelopers or anyone. | Nov 26 13:44 |
popey | I dont think they should | Nov 26 13:44 |
oiaohm | So applying patches solo is sane? popey | Nov 26 13:44 |
popey | there should of course be open channels of communication between distros and projects | Nov 26 13:44 |
popey | if the patches are sane in the distro, yes | Nov 26 13:44 |
oiaohm | NO. | Nov 26 13:45 |
popey | well, we disagree then | Nov 26 13:45 |
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oiaohm | Fedora that was one of the most unstable two people must sign off on a patch popey | Nov 26 13:45 |
oiaohm | No one is allowed solo. | Nov 26 13:45 |
oiaohm | Solo increases risk of human error popey | Nov 26 13:46 |
popey | that process isnt perfect | Nov 26 13:46 |
oiaohm | So distribution instablity. | Nov 26 13:46 |
popey | see recent controversy and back peddling from fedora as an example | Nov 26 13:46 |
oiaohm | Also they require refering to upstream for advice. | Nov 26 13:46 |
popey | that was signed off by multiple people | Nov 26 13:46 |
popey | still got it "wrong" | Nov 26 13:46 |
oiaohm | It can go wrong but less often popey | Nov 26 13:46 |
popey | still goes wrong | Nov 26 13:46 |
popey | no process is perfect | Nov 26 13:46 |
oiaohm | No where near the same rare popey | Nov 26 13:47 |
kecskebak | If I'd worked very hard on app X, only for it to get a bad reputation from bad patches in distro Y I'd be very upset. Surely it's good manners to ask? | Nov 26 13:47 |
popey | and on the whole Ubuntu gets it right most of the time | Nov 26 13:47 |
oiaohm | LOL popey | Nov 26 13:47 |
popey | kecskebak: if the relationship is good, yes | Nov 26 13:47 |
oiaohm | On the hole Ubuntu is getting it wrong at a far worse rate. | Nov 26 13:47 |
popey | if the upstream are unapproachable then its hard | Nov 26 13:47 |
popey | again we agree to disagree oiaohm | Nov 26 13:47 |
oiaohm | Really that is what I find wrong. | Nov 26 13:48 |
oiaohm | Lot of projects I know upstream have been approachable. | Nov 26 13:48 |
oiaohm | Like wine audio developers worked with fedora to provide a kind of stable pulseaudio patch. | Nov 26 13:48 |
popey | well if there are issues with upstream relationships then Jorge Castro is the guy to talk to | Nov 26 13:48 |
popey | thats his job | Nov 26 13:48 |
oiaohm | Biggest thing is the idea that ubuntu maintainers can disreguard advice of upstream. | Nov 26 13:49 |
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oiaohm | upstream tells you something is insane todo it pays not to do it. | Nov 26 13:50 |
ThistleWeb | oiaohm: don't you think a better and more positiva approach would be to join the ubuntu forums and submit your ideas, rather than blasting any ubuntu member who pokes their head into the channel? | Nov 26 13:50 |
oiaohm | ThistleWeb: done that in the past. | Nov 26 13:50 |
oiaohm | Does not get results either ThistleWeb | Nov 26 13:51 |
ThistleWeb | so they don't jump to implement your ideas | Nov 26 13:51 |
ThistleWeb | or they disagree with your solutions | Nov 26 13:51 |
oiaohm | More just ingnore it and hope it goes away. | Nov 26 13:51 |
ThistleWeb | will jumping on ubuntu members in here change that? | Nov 26 13:51 |
oiaohm | Or say that the upstream has no right to veto particular patches because some how Ubuntu maintainers are god. | Nov 26 13:52 |
popey | nobody said that oiaohm | Nov 26 13:52 |
ThistleWeb | sometimes ideas are better explained in a single easy to read post where it's all thought out, than a conversation | Nov 26 13:52 |
oiaohm | They have popey. | Nov 26 13:53 |
popey | nobody said that _here_ | Nov 26 13:53 |
popey | bored now | Nov 26 13:53 |
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oiaohm | Jorge Castro is kinda there scape goat too. He does not have the power to dismiss miss behaving maintaioners causing hell for upstream. | Nov 26 13:54 |
ThistleWeb | projects also have a limited number of resources to work with too | Nov 26 13:55 |
kecskebak | oiaohm You would prefer rolling distros then? | Nov 26 13:55 |
oiaohm | Particular items due to there complexity and stablity should be rolling version updates. | Nov 26 13:55 |
kecskebak | Are six month releases a marketing thing in your view? | Nov 26 13:56 |
oiaohm | Don't really care if ubuntu wants to do 6 month or not. | Nov 26 13:56 |
oiaohm | Shipping unstable versions of programs and not providing users with stable option is asking for user pain. | Nov 26 13:57 |
oiaohm | I have no problems with a distribution wanting to provide beta versions. As long as it not cutting off access to stable versions. | Nov 26 13:58 |
ThistleWeb | oiaohm: you're clearly a dev, with opinions on how things should be, so why don't you help out? | Nov 26 13:58 |
oiaohm | I am not a dev a such project manager. | Nov 26 13:59 |
oiaohm | Everything is really common sence. | Nov 26 13:59 |
oiaohm | Do particular things will make the upstream live harder. | Nov 26 13:59 |
ThistleWeb | that's why I don't suggest dev solutions......as I'm not a dev | Nov 26 14:00 |
ThistleWeb | I specially don't pounce on members of a project when my dev ideas have been ignored to give them the benefit of my ignored non-dev advice to a dev issue | Nov 26 14:01 |
ThistleWeb | but that's just me | Nov 26 14:02 |
ThistleWeb | suggestions are great, but not everyone agrees with them, and often peeps with knowledge of actually implementing them may have very logical reasons for rejecting them | Nov 26 14:02 |
oiaohm | The sad part is Ubuntu is coping Fedora 4 years ago ThistleWeb | Nov 26 14:02 |
oiaohm | Fedora grew up. | Nov 26 14:03 |
ThistleWeb | it's their decision to make | Nov 26 14:03 |
oiaohm | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Staying_close_to_upstream_projects One of the best writen policys I have ever found on the topic. | Nov 26 14:03 |
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oiaohm | Then you read ubuntus. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-March/000550.html | Nov 26 14:05 |
oiaohm | Most particularly. | Nov 26 14:05 |
oiaohm | The upstream developers must be '''willing to work with Ubuntu'''. A | Nov 26 14:05 |
oiaohm | responsive upstream who understands Ubuntu's requirements and is | Nov 26 14:05 |
oiaohm | willing to work within them can make things very much easier for us. | Nov 26 14:05 |
oiaohm | Big bad loop hole. All a Ubuntu maintainer has to do is claim that upstream is un willing and they don't have to even try to work with upstream. | Nov 26 14:06 |
ThistleWeb | do you believe ubuntu peeps are isolated from the rest of the FOSS world? | Nov 26 14:07 |
oiaohm | They are making themselves that way by there policies. | Nov 26 14:07 |
oiaohm | Like what right to they have to expect a upstream to have to answer to there wims. | Nov 26 14:07 |
ThistleWeb | I mean that do ubuntu peeps have all the other projects blocked in their hosts files? | Nov 26 14:07 |
ThistleWeb | do they not speak to others? | Nov 26 14:07 |
oiaohm | upstream has to answer to everyone using the program. | Nov 26 14:07 |
ThistleWeb | do they not see the mistakes others have made? | Nov 26 14:08 |
oiaohm | No distributions does. | Nov 26 14:08 |
ThistleWeb | do they see those mistakes and make them too? | Nov 26 14:08 |
oiaohm | Early Mandriva | Nov 26 14:08 |
oiaohm | made the same mistake.s | Nov 26 14:08 |
oiaohm | early SUSE same mistakes. | Nov 26 14:08 |
ThistleWeb | everyone makes mistakes | Nov 26 14:08 |
oiaohm | No one learns from history. | Nov 26 14:08 |
oiaohm | The same mistakes ThistleWeb | Nov 26 14:08 |
ThistleWeb | ahh, k | Nov 26 14:09 |
oiaohm | Mistake number 1. Upstream has to bow to me. | Nov 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | Not sure it's fair to assume that Ubuntu does that | Nov 26 14:09 |
oiaohm | You have to work with upstream. Upstream never has to bow to you. | Nov 26 14:09 |
schestowitz | I also think that popey was offended by this presumption | Nov 26 14:09 |
oiaohm | Its in there policys for upstream schestowitz | Nov 26 14:09 |
oiaohm | And many of there maintainers follow it. | Nov 26 14:09 |
oiaohm | Due to wine refusal to include pulseaudio patches then Ubuntu maintainer could alter what ever he liked without oversite and beinside there upstream rules. | Nov 26 14:10 |
oiaohm | Problem is its not presumption. | Nov 26 14:11 |
oiaohm | it must be straightforward to run those tests on the actual packages proposed for deployment to Ubuntu users. << second loop hole | Nov 26 14:12 |
oiaohm | Who defines what is straightforward to run the unit tests. | Nov 26 14:13 |
schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8380607.stm LSE.NET fails again. They need to hurry up moving to Linux....... | Nov 26 14:13 |
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schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/25/google-chrome-cloud-computing 'Balanced' Microsoft Jack.... just can't find the quotes in favour of the O/S...... lies by selection? | Nov 26 14:13 |
oiaohm | Basically every time Ubuntu as written a upstream policy they have stuffed key things up. | Nov 26 14:15 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I noticed that story earlier, it didnt say windows or linux, I assumed they'd already switched and this was a minor glitch in the new setup | Nov 26 14:16 |
schestowitz | Another Linux deployment: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/25/ps3_supercomputer/ | Nov 26 14:18 |
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schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no, not yet | Nov 26 14:18 |
schestowitz | Also in the news:http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/networking/messaging/news/index.cfm?newsid=17751 | Nov 26 14:18 |
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schestowitz | "Profits at the stock exchange tumbled for the six months by 37 percent to £79 million. The exchange reiterated that it hopes an ongoing cost cutting exercise and management restructure will save it over £11 million a year. " | Nov 26 14:19 |
schestowitz | "It is due to be replaced at the end of next year by an open source based platform built by MillenniumIT, which the LSE acquired in September for £18 million. " | Nov 26 14:19 |
schestowitz | They have too much spare hardware | Nov 26 14:19 |
schestowitz | 'secret' to keeping Windows up..... have two entire clusters... redundancy... | Nov 26 14:19 |
schestowitz | One never used | Nov 26 14:19 |
oiaohm | Hmm wonder if US is stocking up on cell processors | Nov 26 14:19 |
schestowitz | What a joke | Nov 26 14:20 |
schestowitz | And it doesn't even work | Nov 26 14:20 |
schestowitz | Downtime that's major once in 6 months | Nov 26 14:20 |
kecskebak | I wonder what crashed at the BBC - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/25/bbc-news-pre-digital-age | Nov 26 14:20 |
schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/big-demand-delays-nokia-n900-launch-654034 | Nov 26 14:21 |
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schestowitz | 'A BBC spokesperson said: "We are currently experiencing serious IT problems at the BBC which is causing some disruption to our phone and computer systems. We are working with contractors to rectify this."' | Nov 26 14:22 |
schestowitz | Did they try to reboot? | Nov 26 14:22 |
schestowitz | Reinstall? | Nov 26 14:22 |
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schestowitz | "Nick BURNS... your company's computer guy!" | Nov 26 14:23 |
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kecskebak | I've heard the BBC disruption may be due to a power cut caused by a dodgy electricity substation | Nov 26 14:27 |
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schestowitz | Re: Microsoft Jack on | Nov 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | >> Is Google Chrome OS cloud computing's silver lining? | Nov 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | > | Nov 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | > "Historically, the omens aren't good. In the mid-90s, Oracle's boss, | Nov 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | > Larry Ellison, got a huge amount of publicity for simplified "network | Nov 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | > computers", but they flopped" | Nov 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | > | Nov 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | > We know what steps MS took to help the emerging NC netPC, tried to | Nov 26 14:31 |
schestowitz | > kill it and then bring out their own spec .. see the come docs :) | Nov 26 14:31 |
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satipera | LSE goes down again http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8380607.stm | Nov 26 14:39 |
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sebsebseb | hi | Nov 26 14:41 |
schestowitz | fewa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5ju0Xn6xsc | Nov 26 15:09 |
schestowitz | I'm in Dutch news......... "Roy Schestowitz van de blog Boycott Novell noemt TPM-ondersteuning in openSUSE dan ook een antifeature." http://webwereld.nl/nieuws/64413/omstreden-trusted-computing-nu-op-linux.html | Nov 26 15:21 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] This would be after inflating their numbers for 10 years, so we come full circle then? http://tinyurl.com/ybhek7m | Nov 26 15:25 | |
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zer0c00l | http://torrentfreak.com/30000-internet-users-to-receive-file-sharing-cash-demands-091125/ | Nov 26 16:08 |
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zer0c00l | Is this true? any one received letters? | Nov 26 16:08 |
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schestowitz | I don't download MAFIAA-contaminated stuff | Nov 26 16:12 |
schestowitz | They probably will hit the Joes and Janes who don't even know about the law (or care) | Nov 26 16:12 |
*schestowitz listens to free music from SXSW09 at the moment... ("Vamos Esta Noite by Cla on SXSW 2009 Showcasing Artists" | Nov 26 16:13 | |
trmanco | that is Portuguese | Nov 26 16:15 |
trmanco | :) | Nov 26 16:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] at last I've found the identi.ca plugin functionality to Pidgin :-[ | Nov 26 16:15 | |
MinceR | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-sap-is-sap.html | Nov 26 16:16 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: do you know the song? | Nov 26 16:22 |
trmanco | I know the band | Nov 26 16:23 |
schestowitz | I didn't know it was Portuguese even? | Nov 26 16:23 |
trmanco | but I'm net really a big fan of portuguese music | Nov 26 16:23 |
schestowitz | But it didn't quite sound like anything I'm used to from samba | Nov 26 16:23 |
trmanco | I may be mistaken | Nov 26 16:23 |
trmanco | let me check | Nov 26 16:23 |
trmanco | samba is more from brasil | Nov 26 16:23 |
schestowitz | Amarok said it has played over 250 times | Nov 26 16:23 |
trmanco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cl%A3 | Nov 26 16:24 |
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schestowitz | You don't like samba? | Nov 26 16:24 |
schestowitz | It's better than Britney Timglerra | Nov 26 16:24 |
trmanco | yeah, sometimes | Nov 26 16:24 |
trmanco | neat | Nov 26 16:26 |
trmanco | CL%A3 | Nov 26 16:26 |
trmanco | LOL | Nov 26 16:26 |
trmanco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coimbra | Nov 26 16:28 |
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trmanco | there | Nov 26 16:28 |
trmanco | :) | Nov 26 16:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Advice for New PC This #Thanksgiving : Also Consider #GNU #Linux http://blogs.pcmag.com/miller/2009/11/buying_a_pc_some_simple_advice.php | Nov 26 16:30 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US Air Force Chooses #GNU #Linux for Computational #Servers http://ur1.ca/gl31 http://ur1.ca/gl33 | Nov 26 16:31 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Audiocasts About #GNU #Linux : Tuxradar, Linux Outlaws http://ur1.ca/gl35 http://ur1.ca/gjq8 | Nov 26 16:32 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Deep Look at #Linux 2.6.32 and Its Phenomenal Growth Rate http://ur1.ca/gl3a http://ur1.ca/gl3b | Nov 26 16:34 | |
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schestowitz | trmanco: thanks | Nov 26 16:37 |
schestowitz | Just caught up | Nov 26 16:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #ChromeOS (Linux) Finds New Fans, Misconceptions Addressed http://ur1.ca/gl3h http://ur1.ca/gl3i | Nov 26 16:37 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SMILE for #GNU #Linux Introduced http://stephencuyos.com/?p=1661 | Nov 26 16:40 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Foundation Opens to Voting http://www.gentoo.org/news/20091125-foundation-ad-vote-announcement.xml | Nov 26 16:41 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE #Karbon #VectorGraphics Now in #KOffice http://ur1.ca/gl3v #kde4 | Nov 26 16:43 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Spatial Desktop: One Script, Ultimate Minimalist Desktop http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/spatial-desktop-ubuntu-gorgeous-gnome.html | Nov 26 16:43 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Executives Required Bigger Role in the Company http://www.newsobserver.com/business/local_state/story/210496.html | Nov 26 16:44 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandrake Founder Releases OVD 2.0 http://press-releases.techwhack.com/43512-ulteo | Nov 26 16:45 | |
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zer0c00l | schestowitz: The seed patents video was good, watched it this morning ;) | Nov 26 16:45 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: Did you listen to that software freedom law center podcast? | Nov 26 16:46 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: you can do me a favur | Nov 26 16:46 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: tell me ;) | Nov 26 16:46 |
schestowitz | Someone originally from Peru translates BN to Spanish and he needs the text of that video | Nov 26 16:46 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, I listened to the whole podcast | Nov 26 16:46 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @glynmoody: India Unveils Ambitious Solar Energy Plans - http://bit.ly/6FaFfM great to see India doing this #india #solarenergy | Nov 26 16:46 | |
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zer0c00l | schestowitz: Text in english? | Nov 26 16:47 |
schestowitz | Yes | Nov 26 16:47 |
schestowitz | It's not so long, I think | Nov 26 16:47 |
schestowitz | ABout Monsanto | Nov 26 16:47 |
schestowitz | She knows their scam | Nov 26 16:48 |
schestowitz | She's a nuclear scientist or something who has been an activists in this area forever | Nov 26 16:48 |
schestowitz | That's why she gave talks in Spanish-speaking countries | Nov 26 16:48 |
schestowitz | Monsanto also does Africa | Nov 26 16:48 |
schestowitz | Pearly Gates (the Microsoft thug) insults people like her | Nov 26 16:49 |
schestowitz | Calling her "environmentalist" | Nov 26 16:49 |
schestowitz | To hide the evil of the patent scam | Nov 26 16:49 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: hmm, yes but i am fully engaged till this sunday , will try to create a text of it this weekend | Nov 26 16:49 |
schestowitz | She -- unlike Gates -- does not employ a PR cartel | Nov 26 16:49 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: thanks a lot | Nov 26 16:50 |
schestowitz | It's not just for me | Nov 26 16:50 |
schestowitz | [03:32] <schestowitz> "Dear Roy, | Nov 26 16:50 |
schestowitz | [03:32] <schestowitz> "Though you see no comments from me lately there is no day that I read boycottnovell. Just busy with four children, work, home and homework. I think you understand. | Nov 26 16:50 |
schestowitz | [03:32] <schestowitz> "Anyway, I always translate your articles to Spanish and email them to teachers in my birth country Peru. We do have to protect freedom everywhere so that's my grain of sand. | Nov 26 16:50 |
schestowitz | [03:32] <schestowitz> "Today there was a nice ogg file about the convicted thug and its patents in Mosanto, the mosanto-patents.ogg. I wish I could have the transcript to translate it and send it to Peru. | Nov 26 16:50 |
schestowitz | [03:32] <schestowitz> "Please if do you have the transcript can you email it to me or publish it on the site so this group of peruvian teachers can benefit from it. No rush please, just enjoy your Thanksgiving and above all Thanks for Boycottnovell. | Nov 26 16:50 |
schestowitz | [03:32] <schestowitz> "Thank you very much and Happy Thanksgiving for you and everyone who makes your site possible. | Nov 26 16:50 |
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zer0c00l | pearly gates wife of billg ? | Nov 26 16:51 |
schestowitz | Both | Nov 26 16:52 |
schestowitz | They want power | Nov 26 16:52 |
schestowitz | Since young age | Nov 26 16:52 |
zer0c00l | s/power/control | Nov 26 16:52 |
schestowitz | Gates told a magazine something about ruling the world... when he was very young | Nov 26 16:52 |
schestowitz | He grew up in a family like that.... so as she AFAIK, but I don't know enough. | Nov 26 16:53 |
schestowitz | /s/control/subjugation\/coercion\/whatever/ | Nov 26 16:53 |
schestowitz | Gates is coloialising India and African with the likes of Monsanto | Nov 26 16:54 |
schestowitz | They can afford to do this cause they have enough PR (brainwash) power to lie about what they do | Nov 26 16:54 |
schestowitz | THe sad thing, activists are few | Nov 26 16:54 |
schestowitz | Many are younger | Nov 26 16:54 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: monsanto is billgates funded organization ? | Nov 26 16:54 |
schestowitz | The education system was design to capture good minds and to make them debt-saddled before they are forced into the same machinations they could dennounce | Nov 26 16:55 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, billions | Nov 26 16:55 |
schestowitz | He also promotes them, that's the whole point of the post | Nov 26 16:56 |
schestowitz | Big Business joins forces for global power | Nov 26 16:56 |
schestowitz | See the "Green Revolution" (euphemism) in Africa | Nov 26 16:56 |
schestowitz | That's Gates + Rockerfeller | Nov 26 16:56 |
schestowitz | There's also another euphemism.... | Nov 26 16:56 |
schestowitz | "Family planning" | Nov 26 16:56 |
schestowitz | That means birth reduction | Nov 26 16:56 |
schestowitz | Gates preaches a lot of population reduction in poor nations | Nov 26 16:57 |
zer0c00l | :P | Nov 26 16:57 |
schestowitz | They use "family planning" as pretext | Nov 26 16:57 |
schestowitz | You need to know the language :-) | Nov 26 16:57 |
schestowitz | "Instability in the region" = "somewhere where affairs we don't like and thus want to invade/intervene with" | Nov 26 16:58 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: abortion ? | Nov 26 16:58 |
schestowitz | A lot of 'problems' get used as excuse for imperialism | Nov 26 16:58 |
schestowitz | AIDS too | Nov 26 16:58 |
schestowitz | It's good reason for Rich Uncle(C) to step in and take partial sovreinty | Nov 26 16:58 |
schestowitz | *sovereignty | Nov 26 16:59 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: no, not just abortion | Nov 26 16:59 |
schestowitz | Also sterilisation and mutilation | Nov 26 16:59 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good Impressions of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/gl59 http://ur1.ca/gl5a | Nov 26 17:01 | |
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schestowitz | BTW: | Nov 26 17:01 |
schestowitz | Another little thing: | Nov 26 17:01 |
schestowitz | Notice that they warp language | Nov 26 17:01 |
schestowitz | "Libertarian" and "environmentalists" are now insults | Nov 26 17:01 |
schestowitz | "Peacenicks" was another back in 2003 | Nov 26 17:02 |
schestowitz | Peace=bad | Nov 26 17:02 |
schestowitz | Aggression=heroic, patriotic, "support our troops" | Nov 26 17:02 |
schestowitz | "Support our troops" -> "support our big oil companies" | Nov 26 17:02 |
schestowitz | "Join the army" - > "the Industrial Complex needs YOU" :-) | Nov 26 17:03 |
zer0c00l | :-) | Nov 26 17:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kuki #GNU #Linux is Back on Track http://www.liliputing.com/2009/11/kuki-linux-development-resumes.html | Nov 26 17:05 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Shows More Signs of Moving from #Symbian to Linux? http://ur1.ca/gl5n http://ur1.ca/gl5o | Nov 26 17:06 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US Politicians Want Free Database Software Devoured by CA-based Company http://ur1.ca/gl63 | Nov 26 17:15 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Governments of #Europe and Australia Looking Into #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/gl6e http://ur1.ca/gl6f | Nov 26 17:22 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HandBrake 0.9.4 Released, #Blender 2.5 Now in Alpha http://ur1.ca/gl6l http://ur1.ca/gl6m | Nov 26 17:23 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Danish Parliament: #ODF (OpenDocuemnt Format) Only http://lodahl.blogspot.com/2009/11/parliament-said-odf-only.html | Nov 26 17:29 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Standards for #CMS Software Being Established http://ur1.ca/gl7h http://ur1.ca/gl7i | Nov 26 17:33 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What #Mono Does to #GNU #Linux and #GIMP http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-11-25-031-35-OS-CY | Nov 26 17:37 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Shows Its (Lack of) Heart http://www.theage.com.au/technology/biz-tech/jobs-may-make-mat-lose-his-job-20091125-jq6t.html | Nov 26 17:40 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I am loving my new central heating, yes the novelty will wear off soon, but for now, it's occupying my thoughts | Nov 26 17:41 | |
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schestowitz | BN server is melting....... | Nov 26 18:01 |
schestowitz | Pages load slowly due to loan, don't know what's causing it.... | Nov 26 18:01 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Programming for Proprietary Platforms a Risk to One’s Livelihood http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/26/iphones-bans-and-root-password/ | Nov 26 18:28 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Sometimes you have to think sideways for a fix. How to get Jabber to stop Identi.ca updates? Disable it on the site *DOH!* | Nov 26 18:41 | |
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gigantic-cow | mornin'. | Nov 26 18:44 |
gigantic-cow | Want to get some opinions from you guys: what do you think of F#? | Nov 26 18:44 |
gigantic-cow | Have any of you used F#? | Nov 26 18:46 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I don't know if I should feel dirty or not, my new found audio control is apparently down to Pulse, which I have hated on.....A LOT! :-/:-[ | Nov 26 18:48 | |
schestowitz | g2g, bbl | Nov 26 18:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LSE Must Hurry up Migrating to #GNU #Linux (Windows Has Just Crashed Again) http://ur1.ca/glcj | Nov 26 18:54 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] why doesn't the iPhone jailbreak process have a config screen where you have no choice but to change your root password to continue? | Nov 26 19:13 | |
cubezzz | ok, I have the solution to the laptop problem | Nov 26 19:14 |
cubezzz | http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/diy_notebooks/ocz_diy_15-gaming_notebook-small-intel-ati_edition | Nov 26 19:15 |
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gigantic-cow | So... that F# ... any opinions? Anyone? | Nov 26 19:36 |
gigantic-cow | (does anyone here even know what it is?) | Nov 26 19:39 |
cubezzz | another Microsoft invention? | Nov 26 19:51 |
MinceR | probably another part of the .net/mono patent trap | Nov 26 19:52 |
gigantic-cow | very like OCaml actually | Nov 26 19:53 |
gigantic-cow | has anyone here used OCaml? | Nov 26 19:53 |
cubezzz | let me put it this way... I'm porting GNU stuff at the moment :) | Nov 26 19:54 |
gigantic-cow | what does that mean? | Nov 26 19:55 |
ThistleWeb | sounds like gigantic-cow is here to provoke an argument and nobody is playing ball lol | Nov 26 19:55 |
gigantic-cow | I am, pretty much. You guys have a problem with C#, fine. I want to know whether that extends to F# | Nov 26 19:56 |
ThistleWeb | so you're here for a fight | Nov 26 19:56 |
ThistleWeb | well done | Nov 26 19:57 |
gigantic-cow | Depends on you, doesn't it? | Nov 26 19:57 |
ThistleWeb | now your motives have been outed, I doubt anyone is gonna respond to you and give you what you want | Nov 26 19:57 |
ThistleWeb | which includes me....I'm out of this convo | Nov 26 19:57 |
cubezzz | I don't use .net stuff | Nov 26 19:57 |
ThistleWeb | have fun | Nov 26 19:58 |
gigantic-cow | As you like. You'll have the talk in a few months, no doubt, when it's here | Nov 26 19:58 |
gigantic-cow | I guess I'll listen in then | Nov 26 19:58 |
cubezzz | what talk? | Nov 26 19:58 |
gigantic-cow | about F#. It's part of VS2010 | Nov 26 19:58 |
gigantic-cow | a fully-supported .Net langaue | Nov 26 19:58 |
MinceR | probably most of the problematic patents refer to the virtual machine and the class library | Nov 26 19:58 |
gigantic-cow | going to be on Linux soon too | Nov 26 19:59 |
MinceR | i know of several that certainly do | Nov 26 19:59 |
MinceR | so they affect F# just as much as C# | Nov 26 19:59 |
gigantic-cow | they're running integration tests on it as MS labs right now | Nov 26 19:59 |
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gigantic-cow | so, boo, nemerle, f# ... all the same to you guys? | Nov 26 19:59 |
gigantic-cow | cos of the vm? | Nov 26 20:00 |
cubezzz | I use C, full stop | Nov 26 20:00 |
MinceR | i mostly use python, c++ and c | Nov 26 20:00 |
Ender2070 | I use google go | Nov 26 20:00 |
Ender2070 | pwns u all | Nov 26 20:00 |
MinceR | lol | Nov 26 20:00 |
cubezzz | trusting Microsoft isn't in the cards | Nov 26 20:00 |
cubezzz | which is what I said 20+ years ago | Nov 26 20:01 |
gigantic-cow | ok. well good luck with that then, y'all. doesn't look like the vm is dying anytime soon tho | Nov 26 20:01 |
MinceR | it will probably die along with winblows and m$ | Nov 26 20:02 |
cubezzz | but I don't use vm you see | Nov 26 20:02 |
gigantic-cow | sure it will cos MS will die ANY DAY NOW | Nov 26 20:02 |
gigantic-cow | Like tomorrow | Nov 26 20:02 |
gigantic-cow | or next week maybe | Nov 26 20:02 |
gigantic-cow | on the cards | Nov 26 20:02 |
Ender2070 | everytime you use google, you use a machine running linux | Nov 26 20:02 |
gigantic-cow | good for me? | Nov 26 20:03 |
ThistleWeb | gigantic-cow: do you think your clever trolling us? | Nov 26 20:03 |
cubezzz | just some kid probably, who cares | Nov 26 20:03 |
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gigantic-cow | no. do you think youre clever? Microsoft Will Die? Sure | Nov 26 20:03 |
gigantic-cow | How long have you been predicting that? 15 years? 20? | Nov 26 20:03 |
cubezzz | no, I said I don't trust them, that's all | Nov 26 20:04 |
gigantic-cow | But next year, sure, itll happen then | Nov 26 20:04 |
MinceR | it depends on them too | Nov 26 20:04 |
ThistleWeb | lol, I notice the lack of a "trolling? me?" | Nov 26 20:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I have just added my first video to Wikipedia. http://enwp.org/Russell_Square HOLY CRAP LIKE A BOOK COME TO LIFE | Nov 26 20:04 | |
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gigantic-cow | well if they arent going anywhere, neither is the vm | Nov 26 20:04 |
MinceR | but with crap like vista and vista7 they're certainly speeding their own demise :> | Nov 26 20:04 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep | Nov 26 20:04 |
gigantic-cow | Cos Win7 has had terrible uptake | Nov 26 20:04 |
gigantic-cow | oh no wait | Nov 26 20:05 |
gigantic-cow | thats a lie | Nov 26 20:05 |
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gigantic-cow | It has better adoption than XP did | Nov 26 20:05 |
*ThistleWeb wonders who wll defend MS when the bribe money runs dry | Nov 26 20:05 | |
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MinceR | ThistleWeb: fanboys | Nov 26 20:05 |
gigantic-cow | ummmm hang on, maybe the millions of users | Nov 26 20:05 |
ThistleWeb | probably | Nov 26 20:05 |
cubezzz | people are forced to use windows | Nov 26 20:06 |
gigantic-cow | sorry I misspoke | Nov 26 20:06 |
gigantic-cow | I meant tens of millions | Nov 26 20:06 |
ThistleWeb | lmao, you never see ANY windows user say "hey I love windows" | Nov 26 20:06 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: ask a typical user what windows is | Nov 26 20:06 |
ThistleWeb | they all make excuses for it | Nov 26 20:06 |
gigantic-cow | havent been reading many win7 reviews thistel? | Nov 26 20:06 |
cubezzz | it's terrible for memory use | Nov 26 20:06 |
ThistleWeb | reviews paid for by MS? no | Nov 26 20:06 |
cubezzz | you want to see something good, look at tiny core | Nov 26 20:06 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: you mean the ones m$ paid for with laptops and other free stuff? | Nov 26 20:06 |
cubezzz | that's the most efficient OS out there | Nov 26 20:07 |
gigantic-cow | of course. its all paid for if its positive, right? the whole journalistic world is against you | Nov 26 20:07 |
ThistleWeb | no point, just do a text replace with reviews of vista and change to win7 | Nov 26 20:07 |
gigantic-cow | Not a single positive review, all shills | Nov 26 20:07 |
gigantic-cow | tsk tsk | Nov 26 20:07 |
cubezzz | BeOS was good also, but it wasn't FOSS | Nov 26 20:08 |
cubezzz | lots of other choices though | Nov 26 20:08 |
MinceR | BeOS would have been better if it had more Unix in it :) | Nov 26 20:09 |
ThistleWeb | is First Rand Bank Limited a MS partner? | Nov 26 20:09 |
gigantic-cow | i doubt it | Nov 26 20:09 |
gigantic-cow | lol ... you know my ISP! so scary | Nov 26 20:09 |
cubezzz | mach kernel looks interesting also | Nov 26 20:10 |
ThistleWeb | I'm just wondering what the connection is between them and MS, or you and MS | Nov 26 20:11 |
gigantic-cow | but I must be a shill or paid for or something ... nooooes there's no way anyone would use anything from MS | Nov 26 20:11 |
gigantic-cow | other than the huge .Net ecosystem | Nov 26 20:11 |
MinceR | lol | Nov 26 20:11 |
cubezzz | I've never used .net | Nov 26 20:11 |
MinceR | we're getting to comedy gold here | Nov 26 20:11 |
gigantic-cow | well done cubezz | Nov 26 20:11 |
MinceR | "huge .net ecosystem", he says | Nov 26 20:11 |
gigantic-cow | bigger than Rails MinceR | Nov 26 20:11 |
gigantic-cow | you go look at the stats | Nov 26 20:12 |
cubezzz | kids today understand so little | Nov 26 20:12 |
MinceR | wow, bigger than fails! | Nov 26 20:12 |
MinceR | that must be really huge! | Nov 26 20:12 |
gigantic-cow | yeah its big enough | Nov 26 20:12 |
Ender2070 | you all notice theres a correlation between stupid people (90% of the population) and windows users (90% of the population) or is it coincidence? | Nov 26 20:12 |
gigantic-cow | cubezz glad you use C only. how long does it take you to do a map in C? | Nov 26 20:13 |
ThistleWeb | gigantic-cow: for the record, do you have any direct or indirect connection to MS? | Nov 26 20:13 |
MinceR | 210942 < gigantic-cow> yeah its big enough | Nov 26 20:13 |
gigantic-cow | Oh yeah. Wait C can't do a map. | Nov 26 20:13 |
MinceR | that's what she said. | Nov 26 20:13 |
ThistleWeb | remember these chats are logged and posted | Nov 26 20:13 |
gigantic-cow | thistle does it matter what I say? your paranoia will tell you Im paid for | Nov 26 20:13 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: what do you mean by "map" in this context? | Nov 26 20:13 |
cubezzz | gigantic-cow, I work with mostly low-level code | Nov 26 20:14 |
ThistleWeb | of course it matters | Nov 26 20:14 |
gigantic-cow | great, the world can see the tininess of your world | Nov 26 20:14 |
gigantic-cow | MinceR map ... you know? map operation? see wikipedia | Nov 26 20:14 |
ThistleWeb | you're refuseing to state that you have a connection | Nov 26 20:14 |
ThistleWeb | if you have no connection, why not say so | Nov 26 20:14 |
gigantic-cow | thistle ok I have no connection. you believe me? | Nov 26 20:15 |
gigantic-cow | go on, say no | Nov 26 20:15 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: die in a fire. | Nov 26 20:15 |
gigantic-cow | they must be paying me to be here | Nov 26 20:15 |
ThistleWeb | I don't no. I just wanted it on record either way | Nov 26 20:15 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: btw, c can do that | Nov 26 20:15 |
gigantic-cow | really mincer? now? | Nov 26 20:15 |
MinceR | it can do just about anything | Nov 26 20:15 |
gigantic-cow | how? | Nov 26 20:15 |
ThistleWeb | so that if you're outed later, there'll be logged proof of deception | Nov 26 20:15 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: see cpython ;) | Nov 26 20:16 |
cubezzz | sorry kid, you're on ignore, got work to do | Nov 26 20:16 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: also, see Turing-complete | Nov 26 20:16 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: it's all on wikipedia | Nov 26 20:16 |
gigantic-cow | mincer great answer ... pity Python is not C.... | Nov 26 20:16 |
ThistleWeb | I don't believe anyone can be so blind in their defense of a corp like MS if they have no financial reason to do so | Nov 26 20:16 |
ThistleWeb | they have nothing going for them | Nov 26 20:16 |
gigantic-cow | thistle see? tininess of your world | Nov 26 20:16 |
gigantic-cow | you cant believe anything outside of your walls | Nov 26 20:17 |
gigantic-cow | nice walls btw | Nov 26 20:17 |
gigantic-cow | so anti-everything | Nov 26 20:17 |
ThistleWeb | not at all, I just think criminals should be caught and punished, not rewarded | Nov 26 20:17 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: it's implemented in c | Nov 26 20:17 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: get a clue | Nov 26 20:17 |
gigantic-cow | mincer why would I program in C when I can program in another turing-complete language like modified brainf*ck? | Nov 26 20:17 |
ThistleWeb | call me old fashioned if you like | Nov 26 20:17 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: also, it's probably trivial to implement with glib | Nov 26 20:17 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: do i care? | Nov 26 20:18 |
gigantic-cow | mincer really? can't say you've sed glib then, can you? | Nov 26 20:18 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: i've used glib, have you? | Nov 26 20:18 |
gigantic-cow | mincer of course. and there's damn sure no map operation there | Nov 26 20:18 |
ThistleWeb | anyhoo, we seem to have given him what he wants....a fight. For my part, I appologise and shall refreain from further feeding the troll | Nov 26 20:19 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: and you definitely can't write new functions | Nov 26 20:19 |
MinceR | yes, it's futile | Nov 26 20:19 |
MinceR | he's only here to troll | Nov 26 20:19 |
gigantic-cow | mincer of course you can. lots of new functions ... toooons of code | Nov 26 20:19 |
gigantic-cow | or you could use C# or F# | Nov 26 20:19 |
MinceR | gigantic-cow: die in a fire | Nov 26 20:19 |
gigantic-cow | but nooooo, you think that is backwards | Nov 26 20:19 |
gigantic-cow | hahaha. sure. | Nov 26 20:19 |
Ender2070 | do you normally troll from work? | Nov 26 20:21 |
gigantic-cow | no from home | Nov 26 20:21 |
gigantic-cow | and only guys like you | Nov 26 20:21 |
Ender2070 | your home is a bank? | Nov 26 20:21 |
gigantic-cow | you are special | Nov 26 20:21 |
gigantic-cow | ender that is an ISP ... did you not understand that? | Nov 26 20:21 |
Ender2070 | http://samspade.org/whois/41.183.15.36 | Nov 26 20:21 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Whois .::. Size~: 4.82 KB | Nov 26 20:21 |
gigantic-cow | your point? | Nov 26 20:22 |
gigantic-cow | do you know what an ISP is? | Nov 26 20:22 |
Ender2070 | fnb.co.za is a bank | Nov 26 20:22 |
gigantic-cow | well done. and an isp. | Nov 26 20:23 |
gigantic-cow | like mushrooms are a food and a fungus | Nov 26 20:23 |
gigantic-cow | amazing I know | Nov 26 20:23 |
Ender2070 | well they dont advertise being an isp, anywhere | Nov 26 20:23 |
Ender2070 | you would think they might want customers | Nov 26 20:24 |
gigantic-cow | oh so I guess reading isnt something you do | Nov 26 20:24 |
gigantic-cow | fnbconnect.co.za | Nov 26 20:24 |
gigantic-cow | there ... | Nov 26 20:24 |
Ender2070 | there, was missing in the whois | Nov 26 20:25 |
Ender2070 | and no obvious links from the home page | Nov 26 20:25 |
*ThistleWeb wonders if this company will come up in a future announcement about signing some deal with MS | Nov 26 20:25 | |
ThistleWeb | or turn up on some voting committee somewhere to vote for what MS suggest | Nov 26 20:26 |
gigantic-cow | thiste yes I am sure it will ... lol ... still paranoid hey? | Nov 26 20:26 |
gigantic-cow | it is a BANK you doofus | Nov 26 20:26 |
gigantic-cow | what committee to vote? | Nov 26 20:26 |
gigantic-cow | maybe MS will become a bank, then they will have that in common ... sure | Nov 26 20:27 |
ThistleWeb | or submit some breif to govt over some new legislation | Nov 26 20:27 |
gigantic-cow | always a connection eh thistle? thats paranoia | Nov 26 20:27 |
ThistleWeb | lobby for what MS want without letting anyone know they get kickbacks | Nov 26 20:27 |
gigantic-cow | even if you cant see the connection, there MUST be one | Nov 26 20:27 |
gigantic-cow | sure | Nov 26 20:27 |
ThistleWeb | nah, sadly, more truth than paranoia | Nov 26 20:28 |
gigantic-cow | really? whats the link then? | Nov 26 20:28 |
ThistleWeb | thats what happens with criminals | Nov 26 20:28 |
gigantic-cow | tell me I am all ears | Nov 26 20:28 |
gigantic-cow | and now the bank is a criminal! | Nov 26 20:28 |
gigantic-cow | gets better | Nov 26 20:28 |
ThistleWeb | I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised to see it | Nov 26 20:28 |
MinceR | ThistleWeb: don't feed him :) | Nov 26 20:28 |
ThistleWeb | whoops, I'm feeding again | Nov 26 20:28 |
gigantic-cow | this is south africa not USA. our banks arent like yours/// | Nov 26 20:28 |
ThistleWeb | MinceR: yeah I started to spot that lol | Nov 26 20:29 |
Ender2070 | ROFL | Nov 26 20:29 |
Ender2070 | banks everywhere are evil, it goes with the territory | Nov 26 20:29 |
ThistleWeb | trolls do tend to do that, anything to derail the channel | Nov 26 20:29 |
gigantic-cow | cos there was SO MUCH convo going on before I got here | Nov 26 20:29 |
gigantic-cow | did I interrupt the hour of silence? | Nov 26 20:30 |
gigantic-cow | sorry to disrupt that | Nov 26 20:30 |
gigantic-cow | but you guys are something special | Nov 26 20:30 |
gigantic-cow | anti-VMs? nice position to take. pity 95% of the world disagrees with you kn that | Nov 26 20:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Has the UK had any PM who has never been elected? Brown has no chance at the election, is he the first to be PM and never win an election? | Nov 26 20:32 | |
gigantic-cow | as shown by the uptake of java, .net, js engines, ... | Nov 26 20:32 |
MinceR | java is not .net, dumbass | Nov 26 20:32 |
MinceR | neither is ecmascript | Nov 26 20:33 |
gigantic-cow | so you dont mind java then? | Nov 26 20:33 |
gigantic-cow | I thought you didnt like vms | Nov 26 20:33 |
MinceR | and neither is python | Nov 26 20:33 |
MinceR | shows how hard you fail at reading comprehension. | Nov 26 20:33 |
gigantic-cow | python is actually | Nov 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | man, whats with all the fucking trolls in here? | Nov 26 20:33 |
gigantic-cow | ironpython | Nov 26 20:33 |
MinceR | no, i'm not talking about ironpython | Nov 26 20:33 |
gigantic-cow | didnt you know about ironpython? | Nov 26 20:33 |
MinceR | if i were talking about ironpython, i would have said "ironpython" | Nov 26 20:34 |
MinceR | i did | Nov 26 20:34 |
Diablo-D3 | is gigantic-cow a microsoft shill? | Nov 26 20:34 |
MinceR | either a shill or a fanboy | Nov 26 20:34 |
gigantic-cow | or is the only python you know about the Pure CPython? | Nov 26 20:34 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: dont you have ops here? | Nov 26 20:34 |
MinceR | i don't | Nov 26 20:34 |
MinceR | i'm not on the access list | Nov 26 20:34 |
gigantic-cow | yes diablo, I must be a shill | Nov 26 20:34 |
gigantic-cow | they must pay me | Nov 26 20:34 |
gigantic-cow | narrow-minded aren't you | Nov 26 20:34 |
MinceR | and my connection breaks often | Nov 26 20:34 |
ThistleWeb | ironpython is a .net / python / MS-patent-fest | Nov 26 20:34 |
gigantic-cow | and jython? is that better? | Nov 26 20:35 |
ThistleWeb | listen to the floss weekly ep on it | Nov 26 20:35 |
ThistleWeb | it's all about MS | Nov 26 20:35 |
gigantic-cow | cos its covered by patents too you know | Nov 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | ironpython is a mistake anyhow | Nov 26 20:35 |
ThistleWeb | more lockin | Nov 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | its a shitload slower than unladen swallow | Nov 26 20:35 |
gigantic-cow | hahaha | Nov 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | and a fair bit slower than jython | Nov 26 20:35 |
ThistleWeb | Diablo-D3: african or eurpoean? | Nov 26 20:35 |
gigantic-cow | diablo you have never used it have you? | Nov 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: seriously, thats the actual name of their llvm compiler | Nov 26 20:35 |
gigantic-cow | go check some benchmarks and come back | Nov 26 20:36 |
gigantic-cow | how is it lockin to implement pyhon 2.6? | Nov 26 20:36 |
Diablo-D3 | says the gigantic-cow, whos never done benchmarks himself. | Nov 26 20:36 |
gigantic-cow | please tell | Nov 26 20:36 |
ThistleWeb | gigantic-cow: we don't give a shit | Nov 26 20:36 |
gigantic-cow | diablo Computer Language Shootout | Nov 26 20:36 |
gigantic-cow | go and check | Nov 26 20:36 |
Diablo-D3 | gigantic-cow: shootout doesn't have other versions of python yet | Nov 26 20:37 |
ThistleWeb | feel free to continue to try and derail us, we don't give a shit about any of your claims | Nov 26 20:37 |
Diablo-D3 | shootout also has severely botched benchmarks in a lot of places | Nov 26 20:37 |
*Diablo-D3 has written about this before. | Nov 26 20:37 | |
gigantic-cow | thistle of course not because it isnt your world view is it? | Nov 26 20:37 |
gigantic-cow | awwww liddle inconvenient facts | Nov 26 20:37 |
gigantic-cow | shame about those | Nov 26 20:37 |
*Diablo-D3 puts gigantic-cow on ignore | Nov 26 20:37 | |
*MinceR was hoping for a troll match :> | Nov 26 20:38 | |
ThistleWeb | Diablo-D3: good idea | Nov 26 20:38 |
gigantic-cow | hahahaha you guys are great | Nov 26 20:38 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: I got tired of him, hes not even a good troll | Nov 26 20:38 |
cubezzz | shouldn't one of us have ops? :) | Nov 26 20:38 |
gigantic-cow | close your ears ... big bad cow saying naughty things | Nov 26 20:38 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: roy keeps saying no. | Nov 26 20:38 |
gigantic-cow | they just happen to be true | Nov 26 20:38 |
Diablo-D3 | I think hes afraid of me cleaning out the channel | Nov 26 20:38 |
gigantic-cow | but so what, right? | Nov 26 20:38 |
MinceR | cubezzz: schestowitz thinks i kickban too lightly, apparently :> | Nov 26 20:38 |
gigantic-cow | great to hear how you guys silence dissent | Nov 26 20:39 |
gigantic-cow | but you worship roy for standing up against The Man right? | Nov 26 20:39 |
gigantic-cow | in this channel it seems that standing up against your opinions gets you kickbanned | Nov 26 20:39 |
gigantic-cow | lovely ... see, THAT should be logged publicly | Nov 26 20:39 |
ThistleWeb | ooh, the IQ level has went up a notch after that ignore, it's amazing what happens when you filter out the mental midgets | Nov 26 20:40 |
gigantic-cow | and now it is! | Nov 26 20:40 |
gigantic-cow | lol .... i am sure it did ... | Nov 26 20:40 |
gigantic-cow | hey wheres _goblin ... one troll deserves another ...... | Nov 26 20:41 |
*cubezzz is making puzzles | Nov 26 20:42 | |
Ender2070 | kvm is pretty nice | Nov 26 20:43 |
Ender2070 | seems faster than virtualbox by a longshot | Nov 26 20:43 |
cubezzz | controlling the means to production is key :) | Nov 26 20:44 |
_goblin | hi gigantic-cow! | Nov 26 20:47 |
_goblin | sorry Im a little late. | Nov 26 20:47 |
gigantic-cow | hi troll | Nov 26 20:47 |
gigantic-cow | sorry _goblin I mean | Nov 26 20:48 |
_goblin | Im a goblin actually... | Nov 26 20:48 |
_goblin | theres a difference | Nov 26 20:48 |
gigantic-cow | you also against F#? | Nov 26 20:48 |
gigantic-cow | or VMs? | Nov 26 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | _goblin: the rest of us got bored with him | Nov 26 20:48 |
gigantic-cow | rest of these guys are stuck in the 1990s | Nov 26 20:48 |
gigantic-cow | its hilarious | Nov 26 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: except kvm doesn't have a virtualized video driver yet | Nov 26 20:48 |
Diablo-D3 | so no 2D accel and defenetly no 3D accel | Nov 26 20:48 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: I am not against anything in the software world. I have opinions. | Nov 26 20:49 |
ThistleWeb | _goblin: methinks you're the only one talking to him, the rest of us have ignored his ass | Nov 26 20:49 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin and what is your opinion in F# | Nov 26 20:50 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Possibly only with the addition of marquee and blink tags could this page look any worse http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/addons.html | Nov 26 20:50 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Free addons - IceCat - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 40.71 KB | Nov 26 20:50 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: to be honest, I don't have one. | Nov 26 20:50 |
gigantic-cow | thistle doesnt like to hear fact or opposing views | Nov 26 20:50 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin so you would be OK with something developed in F#? | Nov 26 20:51 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: of course I would....if I use it or not would be a different matter. | Nov 26 20:51 |
gigantic-cow | well at least one of you has sense | Nov 26 20:51 |
gigantic-cow | good to hear | Nov 26 20:52 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: the homepage of VMGL says it might work with KVM :> | Nov 26 20:52 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: The thing I would have against F# is its yet another language...... | Nov 26 20:54 |
gigantic-cow | so? more choice | Nov 26 20:54 |
gigantic-cow | do you feel the same about Google Go? | Nov 26 20:54 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: yes but coders don't need choice....do they? | Nov 26 20:54 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: havent coders learnt their craft in one language? | Nov 26 20:54 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: David Braben | Nov 26 20:54 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: as an example. | Nov 26 20:55 |
ThistleWeb | what I don't get with the MS fanboys, if MS is so much better than everything else, why are they scared of people having a choice? People will see that and buy MS. The problem is that almost everything MS do is third rate, which is pretty obvious in a like for like comparision | Nov 26 20:55 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: and in respect of GO, yes, I feel exactly the same way. | Nov 26 20:55 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin not following you. one language must be enough for everyone? is thqat what youre saying? | Nov 26 20:55 |
gigantic-cow | thistle great assertions keep it up | Nov 26 20:55 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: I am harking back to my coding days where it was the A500 and really asm was the only option... | Nov 26 20:56 |
gigantic-cow | thistle bringing about 5 langauages and many technologies to the table restricts choice | Nov 26 20:56 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: coders learnt their craft mastering one language.... | Nov 26 20:56 |
gigantic-cow | I see that now | Nov 26 20:56 |
ThistleWeb | the fact that they will do everything legal and illegal, moral and imoral to ensure that nobody has a choice tells it's own story.....they can't win on a technical level | Nov 26 20:56 |
gigantic-cow | thistle that is why nobody programs in .net | Nov 26 20:56 |
gigantic-cow | oh wait | Nov 26 20:56 |
gigantic-cow | yes they do | Nov 26 20:56 |
gigantic-cow | guess youre wrong again | Nov 26 20:56 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin funny opionion you have | Nov 26 20:57 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: why so? | Nov 26 20:57 |
gigantic-cow | I dont think many would agree with you | Nov 26 20:57 |
gigantic-cow | Like paul graham for example | Nov 26 20:57 |
_goblin | I have repeatedly said that when people claim I follow anyone.... | Nov 26 20:57 |
gigantic-cow | anyway, nice opinion, but glad youre not against the language ... buy against language choice instead .... ok | Nov 26 20:58 |
gigantic-cow | you can stick to ASM, I dont mind! | Nov 26 20:59 |
cubezzz | _gobin, Asm with C though | Nov 26 20:59 |
cubezzz | and usually I didn't use Asm myself | Nov 26 21:00 |
gigantic-cow | yes ... why choose one low-level language when you can mix two | Nov 26 21:00 |
gigantic-cow | make your code platform specific. its not lockin, I am sure. | Nov 26 21:00 |
cubezzz | well, if you go back to c64 and vic-20 I did | Nov 26 21:01 |
cubezzz | or Commdore PET even | Nov 26 21:01 |
gigantic-cow | maybe it is cos you guys are old? didnt get the memo to move with the times? | Nov 26 21:01 |
_goblin | On the A500, for me it was Devpac 2 and no C. | Nov 26 21:01 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: Maybe if the coding principles of the time had been adopted now, we wouldnt have the bloat nor need the specs we do.... | Nov 26 21:02 |
gigantic-cow | now e would just have horrible buggy apps with no GUI | Nov 26 21:02 |
gigantic-cow | that would be much better | Nov 26 21:02 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: Really? The A500 was an example of buggy apps? or what about the demoscene? buggy? or operating well out of the boundaries of what Commodore claimed was possible. | Nov 26 21:03 |
Ender2070 | lol you're such a troll | Nov 26 21:03 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin great GUI on the A500. v.advanced. | Nov 26 21:04 |
cubezzz | I'm missing all the wisdom, alas :) | Nov 26 21:04 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: it was the early 90's. | Nov 26 21:04 |
gigantic-cow | And they had a better-than-Motif GUI? really? | Nov 26 21:04 |
gigantic-cow | all in pure ASM? | Nov 26 21:04 |
gigantic-cow | How was maintainability? Or code reuse? was it good? | Nov 26 21:04 |
gigantic-cow | Or RAD ... lol .... yes, RAD with ASM | Nov 26 21:05 |
gigantic-cow | lets see Pylons made in ASM. what fun that would be | Nov 26 21:05 |
Ender2070 | I just did 1 minute of research, F# is the tool of the devil | Nov 26 21:05 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: If you are refering to Workbench (1.3 in particular) for the time (and peoples expectations) WB was more than suitable... | Nov 26 21:05 |
gigantic-cow | Ender do tell us | Nov 26 21:05 |
Ender2070 | "F# is a succinct, type-inferred, expressive, efficient typed functional and object-oriented language for the .NET platform." | Nov 26 21:05 |
Ender2070 | all i needed to read | Nov 26 21:05 |
gigantic-cow | ender it took you a minute to read that? slow | Nov 26 21:06 |
gigantic-cow | I managed it in much less time | Nov 26 21:06 |
Ender2070 | google search included | Nov 26 21:06 |
_goblin | I must admit I had to laugh at: "a performance profile like that of C#," | Nov 26 21:06 |
Ender2070 | and opening my browser | Nov 26 21:06 |
Ender2070 | smart ass | Nov 26 21:06 |
gigantic-cow | oh your on dial up, that explains it | Nov 26 21:06 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] I can't seem to fit in a day all the things i want to do!I just wish sleep wasn't necessary! | Nov 26 21:06 | |
_goblin | like that was a good thing... | Nov 26 21:06 |
gigantic-cow | anyway continue? whats so bad? | Nov 26 21:07 |
_goblin | "a performance profile like that of C#," | Nov 26 21:07 |
gigantic-cow | ender you dont like VMs either? | Nov 26 21:07 |
_goblin | I'd suggest that for starters. | Nov 26 21:07 |
*cubezzz pulls out Arexx | Nov 26 21:07 | |
Ender2070 | i dont like microsoft | Nov 26 21:07 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin so you dont like a good performance profile? you are against that? | Nov 26 21:07 |
gigantic-cow | Cos C# has got better performance than Java these days | Nov 26 21:07 |
cubezzz | Ender2070, that just doesn't go far enough | Nov 26 21:07 |
cubezzz | after all the crap they pulled | Nov 26 21:08 |
gigantic-cow | Eclipse runnine in .Net is FASTER than under the JVM ....... lol | Nov 26 21:08 |
cubezzz | it's more like "My hatred of Microsoft burns with the power of 10,000 suns" | Nov 26 21:08 |
Ender2070 | oh, anyone who doesn't have stockholm syndrom knows what msft has done | Nov 26 21:08 |
Ender2070 | syndrome | Nov 26 21:08 |
gigantic-cow | ender ok, well, F# must be horrible because you dont like microsoft | Nov 26 21:08 |
gigantic-cow | that makes so much sense | Nov 26 21:08 |
gigantic-cow | I can tell you spent your minute well | Nov 26 21:08 |
Ender2070 | F# in MY OPINION is horrible, because i don't like microsoft | Nov 26 21:09 |
gigantic-cow | do you like delphi? | Nov 26 21:09 |
gigantic-cow | cos C# was made by the guy who made delphi | Nov 26 21:09 |
Ender2070 | people are allowed to dislike certain companies | Nov 26 21:09 |
gigantic-cow | Or do you hate Borland too? | Nov 26 21:09 |
gigantic-cow | ender sure ...... and then they can say that technology is terrible because ... ummm ... they feel it is | Nov 26 21:09 |
Ender2070 | someone might not like ford, doesnt mean they hate cars | Nov 26 21:10 |
gigantic-cow | lots of people listen to that | Nov 26 21:10 |
gigantic-cow | go with your emotions | Nov 26 21:10 |
gigantic-cow | very convincing | Nov 26 21:10 |
cubezzz | Ford never had a 90% of the market | Nov 26 21:10 |
Ender2070 | i go with company history | Nov 26 21:10 |
gigantic-cow | I will never use .net now because of enders emotions .... sure | Nov 26 21:10 |
Ender2070 | im telling you why I avoid msft technology | Nov 26 21:10 |
Ender2070 | doesn't mean you have to | Nov 26 21:10 |
gigantic-cow | ender good for you ... the rest of you feel the same way? | Nov 26 21:11 |
gigantic-cow | I can see cubezzz does | Nov 26 21:11 |
ThistleWeb | I'm just old fashioned in thinking organised crime should not pay | Nov 26 21:11 |
gigantic-cow | big old microsoft-hate club here, facts be damned | Nov 26 21:11 |
Ender2070 | im still going to recommend to everyone to avoid them as well | Nov 26 21:11 |
cubezzz | lots of choices guys | Nov 26 21:11 |
ThistleWeb | specially in tax payer funded contracts | Nov 26 21:11 |
gigantic-cow | ender go ahead. let me know when the CEO of a company listens to your feelings | Nov 26 21:11 |
cubezzz | no need to use MIcrosoft for anything | Nov 26 21:12 |
ThistleWeb | while evading paying taxes | Nov 26 21:12 |
Ender2070 | im not concerned with impressing some business type? | Nov 26 21:12 |
gigantic-cow | no need at all .... lets all go back to ASM .... that was the pinnacle | Nov 26 21:12 |
cubezzz | why give money to the richest guy in the world? | Nov 26 21:12 |
gigantic-cow | cubezzz hes not actually. just a fact | Nov 26 21:12 |
cubezzz | sounds stupid doesn't it? | Nov 26 21:12 |
gigantic-cow | or it means he worked hard | Nov 26 21:13 |
gigantic-cow | you pick your opinion beforehand | Nov 26 21:13 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: sorry about that, got distracted..... | Nov 26 21:13 |
Ender2070 | google go has the potential to wipe out .net | Nov 26 21:13 |
gigantic-cow | ender ok, hope your friends listen to you | Nov 26 21:13 |
gigantic-cow | ender ...... hahahaha ..... sure ok | Nov 26 21:13 |
Ender2070 | google usually hands msft its ass | Nov 26 21:14 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: I laughed because C# performance is hardly something to base a glowing recommendation on......if you dispute that check out the real coders that submit material to DTV. | Nov 26 21:14 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin what is DTV? | Nov 26 21:14 |
_goblin | Standby...I'll link you....appologize for the abreviation...its not well known..... | Nov 26 21:14 |
_goblin | http://www.demoscene.tv/ | Nov 26 21:15 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: DTV :: All the demoscene on a web TV ! .::. Size~: 159.77 KB | Nov 26 21:15 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin so you think Java perf suck too? | Nov 26 21:15 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin and python | Nov 26 21:15 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin and ruby and smalltalk | Nov 26 21:15 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin and go | Nov 26 21:15 |
_goblin | Java...ruby....etc no opinion.... | Nov 26 21:15 |
gigantic-cow | but they arent real coders!!!! | Nov 26 21:16 |
gigantic-cow | No ruby code on DTV! | Nov 26 21:16 |
gigantic-cow | so it must suck | Nov 26 21:16 |
_goblin | yes very good..... | Nov 26 21:16 |
_goblin | we are talking performance code here. | Nov 26 21:16 |
gigantic-cow | yes ... you can only write performance code in C ... or ASM .... right? | Nov 26 21:16 |
gigantic-cow | So everything else must be bad | Nov 26 21:17 |
_goblin | no necessarily..... | Nov 26 21:17 |
_goblin | wrong... | Nov 26 21:17 |
gigantic-cow | oh ok. wheres the Java code on DTV? | Nov 26 21:17 |
_goblin | Where are the apps on DTV? | Nov 26 21:17 |
gigantic-cow | or smalltalk? Or Rebol? | Nov 26 21:17 |
_goblin | right tools for the right job..... | Nov 26 21:17 |
gigantic-cow | Wait ... so C# would be good for real apps then? | Nov 26 21:17 |
_goblin | c# pimps itself as a jack of all trades... | Nov 26 21:17 |
gigantic-cow | no it doesnt | Nov 26 21:18 |
_goblin | oh yes it does.... | Nov 26 21:18 |
gigantic-cow | where do they say you should make a 4k demo in C#? please show me | Nov 26 21:18 |
_goblin | "a performance profile like that of C#," | Nov 26 21:18 |
ThistleWeb | maybe that's why MS are struggling, they haven't matched the right trolls for the right job; they keep outing themselves or leaving a trace | Nov 26 21:18 |
gigantic-cow | wow yes that must be what that means | Nov 26 21:18 |
_goblin | that to me suggests they are implying C# is a great perfomer. | Nov 26 21:18 |
gigantic-cow | and it is ...... for apps | Nov 26 21:18 |
_goblin | lol.... | Nov 26 21:18 |
gigantic-cow | better than Java | Nov 26 21:18 |
gigantic-cow | Eclipse runs faster on .net than in a JVM | Nov 26 21:19 |
gigantic-cow | haha for the jvm | Nov 26 21:19 |
_goblin | but then if we are agreed that a 100% asm app would run faster than C# then really performance is a moot point.... | Nov 26 21:19 |
ThistleWeb | or maybe it's just the same quality control they put into the rest of their stuff | Nov 26 21:19 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin of course | Nov 26 21:19 |
_goblin | and certainly Mono is no performer....for anything.....even F-spot lags. | Nov 26 21:19 |
_goblin | again....a claimer of performance. | Nov 26 21:20 |
gigantic-cow | Mono will get better in time... | Nov 26 21:20 |
trmanco | is there any real mono app? | Nov 26 21:20 |
_goblin | lol | Nov 26 21:20 |
_goblin | lol | Nov 26 21:20 |
trmanco | something that isn't a toy | Nov 26 21:20 |
_goblin | Quote "Mono will get better in time..." | Nov 26 21:20 |
gigantic-cow | I think they ran eclipse on mono actually and it ran faster | Nov 26 21:20 |
gigantic-cow | so still better than java | Nov 26 21:20 |
_goblin | spoken like Ballmer himself......"it will be better next time" | Nov 26 21:20 |
gigantic-cow | trmanco no you are imagining all of them. go to sleep | Nov 26 21:20 |
ThistleWeb | with the claim "it helps .net apps run on linux" has anyone ever seen that in practice? | Nov 26 21:21 |
trmanco | so, tomboy isn't a toy? | Nov 26 21:21 |
trmanco | fspot isn't a "toy" | Nov 26 21:21 |
trmanco | hmm | Nov 26 21:21 |
gigantic-cow | trmanco of course it is, just like compiz and the whole desktop idea | Nov 26 21:22 |
gigantic-cow | all pretty toys | Nov 26 21:22 |
trmanco | somethings that's free | Nov 26 21:22 |
ThistleWeb | I guess it might happen inside a few corps with internal apps | Nov 26 21:22 |
gigantic-cow | nice useful toys | Nov 26 21:22 |
trmanco | compiz in mono | Nov 26 21:22 |
trmanco | hmmm | Nov 26 21:22 |
gigantic-cow | lets get rid of all the toys trmanco and go back to the command line | Nov 26 21:22 |
trmanco | compiz is s toy | Nov 26 21:22 |
ThistleWeb | anyone know of any .net apps that have been ported to linux with mono? | Nov 26 21:22 |
gigantic-cow | that would be great | Nov 26 21:22 |
Ender2070 | the unmaintainted paint mono | Nov 26 21:22 |
gigantic-cow | thistle why not ask miguel? I think he would know... invite him here .... lol .... with you guys I am sure he would accept | Nov 26 21:23 |
ThistleWeb | I do see a handful of mono apps that most distros are trying to keep out | Nov 26 21:23 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] GIMP to go Mono to stay? http://tinyurl.com/y8bohkb #mono #gimp #novell #linux #foss | Nov 26 21:23 | |
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gigantic-cow | you are all so willing to accept other views after all | Nov 26 21:23 |
trmanco | it's free to enter | Nov 26 21:23 |
trmanco | no need to invite | Nov 26 21:23 |
ThistleWeb | out of the default install at least | Nov 26 21:23 |
gigantic-cow | thistle like ubuntu ... oh wait, no | Nov 26 21:23 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow "lets get rid of all the toys trmanco and go back to the command line" - Well MS seem to think thats what people want....."Powershell" | Nov 26 21:23 |
trmanco | haha | Nov 26 21:23 |
trmanco | ^^ | Nov 26 21:24 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin haha I can see you never used powershell | Nov 26 21:24 |
trmanco | I tried that once | Nov 26 21:24 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin did you think it was bash? | Nov 26 21:24 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: why so? | Nov 26 21:24 |
trmanco | I like to Basg | Nov 26 21:24 |
trmanco | Bash | Nov 26 21:24 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin its objects not text ... no need for all of that rubbish xargs stuff and sed ... | Nov 26 21:24 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin did you miss those? | Nov 26 21:24 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: What YOU seemed to miss was the bait to see your real intention here. | Nov 26 21:25 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin oh my real intention is plain | Nov 26 21:25 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: thats true | Nov 26 21:25 |
gigantic-cow | to expose you guys for the narrow-minded jerks you are | Nov 26 21:25 |
*trmanco stupid fly that's on my screen | Nov 26 21:25 | |
gigantic-cow | and youre doing a bangup job | Nov 26 21:25 |
gigantic-cow | keep going | Nov 26 21:25 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: ok thanks. | Nov 26 21:25 |
trmanco | narrow minded hun | Nov 26 21:26 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: a minute ago you didn't say that about me... | Nov 26 21:26 |
gigantic-cow | one doesnt think VMs are any good | Nov 26 21:26 |
trmanco | so having your own opinion is now called "narrow minded" | Nov 26 21:26 |
trmanco | and they aren't | Nov 26 21:26 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin sorry didnt I greet you as troll? | Nov 26 21:26 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: yep...then appeared to change the stance... | Nov 26 21:26 |
ThistleWeb | _goblin: you missed the part about him coming here specifically for a fight then, I forgot | Nov 26 21:26 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: like me to quote? | Nov 26 21:26 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin go ahead | Nov 26 21:26 |
gigantic-cow | another thinks everything should be C or ASM | Nov 26 21:27 |
gigantic-cow | and all other languages are bad | Nov 26 21:27 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: Quote "well at least one of you has sense" - Thanks Mr Cow.... | Nov 26 21:27 |
gigantic-cow | and we should not have language choice | Nov 26 21:27 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin and then you disproved me .... tsk | Nov 26 21:27 |
gigantic-cow | then ender who has an irrational hatred along with cubezzz | Nov 26 21:27 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: so you thought I was a troll, changed your mind then changed it back again? | Nov 26 21:27 |
gigantic-cow | nice work showing that in public | Nov 26 21:28 |
Ender2070 | you're such a troll | Nov 26 21:28 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: youre doing a cracking job of exposing there Mr Cow. | Nov 26 21:28 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin no I knew you were a troll the whle time. question was, when would you show it | Nov 26 21:28 |
gigantic-cow | ender nice hatred. | Nov 26 21:28 |
Ender2070 | lol irrational hatred | Nov 26 21:28 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: ahhh Why didn't you just say so....... Well I don't know about anyone else but Im convinced. | Nov 26 21:28 |
gigantic-cow | lets see ... then thistle and mincer who love roys stand against The Man but want to kickban anyone they diagree with .... | Nov 26 21:29 |
Ender2070 | so i guess if you vote liberal you gotta love the republicans too? | Nov 26 21:29 |
gigantic-cow | in other words what a nice bunch you are ... so rational, so sensible ..... lol | Nov 26 21:29 |
trmanco | Johannesburg | Nov 26 21:29 |
trmanco | LOL | Nov 26 21:29 |
trmanco | they have internet there, wow :-P | Nov 26 21:30 |
ThistleWeb | world cup contracts perhaps? | Nov 26 21:30 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: Much as I respect the views of a user who calls themselves "gigantic-cow" and can't seem to make up their mind, I must get on with other things for a bit. I hope you will be here when I return. | Nov 26 21:30 |
gigantic-cow | oh yes and thistle and trmanco and ender with the paranoia ... nice work on finding an IP .... scary heh | Nov 26 21:30 |
trmanco | you hide behind a proxy, heh | Nov 26 21:30 |
gigantic-cow | trmanco that is my ISP you doofus | Nov 26 21:31 |
trmanco | oh, that's so damn cool | Nov 26 21:31 |
trmanco | I never said it wasn't | Nov 26 21:31 |
trmanco | from your isp | Nov 26 21:31 |
gigantic-cow | trnamco no, you just thought it was a proxy. hah. great work detective | Nov 26 21:31 |
gigantic-cow | or is that defective? | Nov 26 21:31 |
trmanco | dunno | Nov 26 21:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] UK PM's petition for marriage equality http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Gay-Marriage/ | Nov 26 21:32 | |
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gigantic-cow | trmanco what isnt a toy btw? is monodevelop a toy? full IDE to rival eclipse, is that a toy? | Nov 26 21:32 |
Ender2070 | compared to eclipse? yes | Nov 26 21:33 |
gigantic-cow | ender you mean the IDE that cant switch tabs is least-recently-used order? nice IDE. | Nov 26 21:34 |
Ender2070 | eclipse makes monodevelop look like visual basic | Nov 26 21:34 |
trmanco | oh... you named one | Nov 26 21:34 |
trmanco | got anymore? | Nov 26 21:34 |
trmanco | and I wonder why it looks so much like visual studio | Nov 26 21:34 |
gigantic-cow | ender have you used eclipse? cos everyone uses netbeans for a reason ...... eclipse plain is a joke | Nov 26 21:34 |
gigantic-cow | trmanco quick its a conspiracy | Nov 26 21:35 |
gigantic-cow | tell the press | Nov 26 21:35 |
trmanco | I just wonder why... it's no conspiracy | Nov 26 21:36 |
gigantic-cow | it also looks like a bunch of other IDEs ... maybe because thats the best way to build them? or maybe its aliens. | Nov 26 21:36 |
gigantic-cow | why does abiword look like open office...... | Nov 26 21:37 |
trmanco | I'm talking about a specific dialog | Nov 26 21:37 |
gigantic-cow | trmanco and what is your point? | Nov 26 21:37 |
trmanco | just wondering why it's so similar, plain and simple | Nov 26 21:37 |
ThistleWeb | what can you say? MS like to be inovators, where they go, we all trail behind like lil ducklings....I wonder what they'd say if govts decided to only allow OSX and Linux users with Firefox to use their sites...."Microsoft inspired us" | Nov 26 21:37 |
Ender2070 | its funny how you come here saying we arent open minded enough, but you're telling us monodevelop is god and low level programming is bad | Nov 26 21:37 |
gigantic-cow | monodevelop is good .... low level programming is fine .... | Nov 26 21:38 |
gigantic-cow | wating to make moern OSes in asm is stupid | Nov 26 21:38 |
ThistleWeb | they dont always inovate their own products either, they like to patent stuff invented by SOMEONE ELSE | Nov 26 21:38 |
gigantic-cow | unless you are doing embedded | Nov 26 21:38 |
MinceR | well, obviously everyone must be open-minded enough to accept the One Microsoft Way | Nov 26 21:38 |
gigantic-cow | thistle good conspiracy theory keep going | Nov 26 21:38 |
ThistleWeb | unless rebranding is classed as inovation in the MS disctionary | Nov 26 21:38 |
ThistleWeb | wouldn't be surprised, they like to hijack terms | Nov 26 21:39 |
Ender2070 | msft doesnt invent anything, they buy inventors | Nov 26 21:39 |
gigantic-cow | yes like the start button | Nov 26 21:39 |
gigantic-cow | they stole that | Nov 26 21:39 |
ThistleWeb | or patent stuff the inventor either forgot to patent, or couldnt afford to | Nov 26 21:40 |
gigantic-cow | then gnome and kde .... they ..... uhhhh .... they "integrated" it into their desktops | Nov 26 21:40 |
gigantic-cow | not stole | Nov 26 21:40 |
gigantic-cow | FOSS implements and integrates | Nov 26 21:40 |
ThistleWeb | or imaginary stuff that's so broad as to cover a wide range of ideas invented later on | Nov 26 21:40 |
gigantic-cow | it never steals ideas | Nov 26 21:40 |
gigantic-cow | only big bad corps do that | Nov 26 21:40 |
Ender2070 | if you want to be technical, everyone stole from xerox | Nov 26 21:40 |
gigantic-cow | oh wait no, FOSS is INSPIRED by stuff | Nov 26 21:41 |
MinceR | there were some things everyone stole from Acorn though :> | Nov 26 21:41 |
ThistleWeb | the key of course is to ensure that others have to respect your patents, while you can ignore other peoples | Nov 26 21:41 |
MinceR | like the panel | Nov 26 21:41 |
ThistleWeb | everything is an evolution of something else | Nov 26 21:43 |
ThistleWeb | it's why patents are wrong, there's very little in life that's totally unique | Nov 26 21:44 |
ThistleWeb | almost everything comes from looking at something else and thinking "what if it did ....." or "what if ... worked like ....." | Nov 26 21:44 |
Ender2070 | or | Nov 26 21:45 |
Ender2070 | "what if i buy his patent to sue people with" | Nov 26 21:45 |
ThistleWeb | lol, yeah | Nov 26 21:45 |
ThistleWeb | imagine a world where a patent infringement accuser would have to pay both sides court fees and publicly declare exactly what the infringement was | Nov 26 21:46 |
ThistleWeb | or a world where that accusation would automatically trigger a review of the patent to see if it was valid before any further action could take place, if not they lose the patent | Nov 26 21:48 |
ThistleWeb | or a world where each instance of patent abuse increases the amount they have to pay for further new patents | Nov 26 21:48 |
ThistleWeb | it would be funny to see software patents abolished and the value of some companies just deflate to a fraction of their current size as their portfolio of ideas suddenly becomes worthless | Nov 26 21:50 |
Ender2070 | it would never happen | Nov 26 21:51 |
Ender2070 | it would destroy your economy | Nov 26 21:51 |
ThistleWeb | I dunno about that | Nov 26 21:51 |
Ender2070 | a large chunk of it is lawyer based | Nov 26 21:51 |
Ender2070 | less lawsuits, less people hiring lawyers | Nov 26 21:52 |
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Nov 26 21:52 | |
ThistleWeb | true | Nov 26 21:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I’m tweeting banned text: "toxic waste in the Ivory Coast leading to the deaths of a number of people" #Trafigura http://tr.im/FBZi | Nov 26 21:52 | |
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schestowitz | Hey, ThistleWeb | Nov 26 21:53 |
ThistleWeb | hey schestowitz | Nov 26 21:53 |
schestowitz | We should have left ops around | Nov 26 21:53 |
schestowitz | My bad... | Nov 26 21:53 |
Ender2070 | patents would have to be replaced with something just as frivilous to throw lawsuits at | Nov 26 21:53 |
ThistleWeb | no worries, I ignored his ass ages ago | Nov 26 21:53 |
Ender2070 | to maintain balance | Nov 26 21:53 |
ThistleWeb | a dodgy patent / IP system is as bad as third rate goods, both create wealth from unhappiness | Nov 26 21:54 |
schestowitz | threexk: jono was here a moment ago | Nov 26 21:55 |
schestowitz | I'm still curious as to why he hangs out here, but it doesn't matter really (motives) | Nov 26 21:55 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching Top Gear on iplayer in low quality flash cos HD cocking flash plays at about 1fps on my dual core, nvidia desktop. #flashsucks #fb | Nov 26 21:57 | |
trmanco | lol | Nov 26 21:57 |
trmanco | flash does suck | Nov 26 21:57 |
gigantic-cow | lets use silverlight | Nov 26 21:58 |
trmanco | let use open video | Nov 26 21:58 |
trmanco | lets | Nov 26 21:58 |
gigantic-cow | ok, that too | Nov 26 21:58 |
MinceR | let's use standard static html and css | Nov 26 21:58 |
gigantic-cow | mincer no lets use the command line | Nov 26 21:58 |
gigantic-cow | watch using aalib | Nov 26 21:58 |
MinceR | and use those GBs of RAM and modern CPUs for something worthwhile | Nov 26 21:58 |
gigantic-cow | like irc | Nov 26 21:58 |
trmanco | you seem to like the command line | Nov 26 21:59 |
gigantic-cow | grew up with it | Nov 26 21:59 |
schestowitz | threexk: the issue needs looking back at 2008 and codecs | Nov 26 21:59 |
MinceR | not really | Nov 26 21:59 |
MinceR | you might have been with it, but it's certain that you haven't grown up | Nov 26 21:59 |
trmanco | :> | Nov 26 22:00 |
gigantic-cow | mincer just slightly older than you then? it shows | Nov 26 22:00 |
gigantic-cow | mincer nice attempts to kickban btw. real maturity there. | Nov 26 22:00 |
schestowitz | gigantic-cow: you're a troll | Nov 26 22:00 |
gigantic-cow | a bit, yes | Nov 26 22:00 |
schestowitz | By definition | Nov 26 22:00 |
gigantic-cow | and I say unpopular things here too | Nov 26 22:01 |
ThistleWeb | lol, he's still here then | Nov 26 22:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] does Pidgin have a tab complete plugin for nicks or screenames? | Nov 26 22:01 | |
gigantic-cow | question is, are they factual? and they are | Nov 26 22:01 |
ThistleWeb | that answers the question of "if you ignore someone do they show up when you get a /names list?" | Nov 26 22:01 |
schestowitz | gigantic-cow: learn about truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2Z27Y-HJE | Nov 26 22:08 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: Is your purpose here to "expose", as you said earlier? | Nov 26 22:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] anyone got adblocking actually working in midori? | Nov 26 22:09 | |
gigantic-cow | _goblin sure | Nov 26 22:10 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: and in expose you mean people in BN IRC? | Nov 26 22:10 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin no people on a different irc channel totally ....... | Nov 26 22:10 |
gigantic-cow | but theres not much need | Nov 26 22:11 |
gigantic-cow | youre doing fine job yourselves | Nov 26 22:11 |
gigantic-cow | plenty of bigotry and irrationality | Nov 26 22:11 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: Would it be fair though to see importance of exposing a view that differs from yours? | Nov 26 22:11 |
_goblin | *say not see | Nov 26 22:11 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin sure | Nov 26 22:11 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin which is all Ive done | Nov 26 22:12 |
gigantic-cow | and the views here are great | Nov 26 22:12 |
_goblin | gigantic-cow: and would it also be fair to say that you hold in contempt the views of everyone you have spoken to here? | Nov 26 22:12 |
gigantic-cow | _goblin youve got a good view on F# ....... and roy can be good to talk to .... the rest are crazy | Nov 26 22:12 |
*schestowitz has kicked gigantic-cow from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Nov 26 22:13 | |
_goblin | Roy............noooooooooooooo | Nov 26 22:13 |
MinceR | lol, sucking up fail | Nov 26 22:13 |
_goblin | you interupted my cross examination... | Nov 26 22:13 |
schestowitz | Divide and conquer. Typical troll tactic | Nov 26 22:13 |
_goblin | I had him.... | Nov 26 22:13 |
schestowitz | Sorry./ | Nov 26 22:13 |
_goblin | schestowitz: lol. | Nov 26 22:13 |
schestowitz | MinceR pressured me | Nov 26 22:13 |
ThistleWeb | he'll be back | Nov 26 22:13 |
MinceR | ^_^ | Nov 26 22:13 |
_goblin | schestowitz: the best fun Ive had tonight... | Nov 26 22:13 |
schestowitz | Not with same name | Nov 26 22:13 |
schestowitz | Watch ISP | Nov 26 22:13 |
MinceR | i should have pressured you harder | Nov 26 22:14 |
MinceR | there was a lot of crap flowing here | Nov 26 22:14 |
_goblin | schestowitz: you must know by now that I love a cross-examination...... | Nov 26 22:14 |
schestowitz | I came back just trying to catch up with stuff.... to do 3 posts | Nov 26 22:14 |
schestowitz | _goblin: you do it for a living, I reckon | Nov 26 22:14 |
_goblin | schestowitz: not really. | Nov 26 22:14 |
schestowitz | oh _Really_? | Nov 26 22:15 |
_goblin | schestowitz: I don't cross examine anyone. | Nov 26 22:15 |
schestowitz | ORLY? :-) | Nov 26 22:15 |
_goblin | schestowitz: in a court that is. | Nov 26 22:15 |
ThistleWeb | _goblin is just an avid Matlock fan ;) | Nov 26 22:16 |
_goblin | lol | Nov 26 22:16 |
_goblin | how did you guess? | Nov 26 22:16 |
_goblin | and Rumpole of the Bailey | Nov 26 22:16 |
_goblin | and Miss Marple | Nov 26 22:16 |
_goblin | oh and "Murder she wrote" | Nov 26 22:16 |
ThistleWeb | can't forget the masters of detection.......scooby doo and the gang | Nov 26 22:20 |
ThistleWeb | nothing gets passed them | Nov 26 22:21 |
ThistleWeb | even a dude in a sheet somehow managing to fly | Nov 26 22:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] the revenge of cat le-huy http://www.reuters.com/article/ousivMolt/idUSTRE5AP1L120091126 | Nov 26 22:22 | |
_goblin | ok...I'll admit it...if anyone wants to know my true identity: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qI3s3Re9mP0/Sczd_BW4hdI/AAAAAAAACqY/QYfeb4C4rVY/s400/signoraingiallo02_art.jpg | Nov 26 22:22 |
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MinceR | that's no goblin! | Nov 26 22:23 |
_goblin | :) | Nov 26 22:25 |
_goblin | I think I prefer my previous title of 00Goblin license to FOSS. | Nov 26 22:25 |
*MinceR rolls his eyes | Nov 26 22:26 | |
trmanco | :>I prefer the gpl | Nov 26 22:26 |
MinceR | should have been a license to kill -9 or a license to killall | Nov 26 22:26 |
_goblin | by the way....in respect of F#....speaking as a guitarist.....its the one chord that most beginners that I try to teach have difficulty with... | Nov 26 22:27 |
_goblin | oh and for the shills, that teach for free, as a hobby...Im not claiming to be a guitar teacher. | Nov 26 22:27 |
MinceR | "My favorite tone... Be Flat!" | Nov 26 22:27 |
ThistleWeb | _goblin: I dunno, I always hated the B family personally, that forced 4 fingers, sometimes in awkward shapes | Nov 26 22:28 |
_goblin | .... Recently bought myself another BC Rich Warlock..... | Nov 26 22:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] unless this works.... | Nov 26 22:29 | |
_goblin | what a nasty/evil guitar that is. | Nov 26 22:29 |
ThistleWeb | yeah, it's a RAWK!! shape | Nov 26 22:29 |
_goblin | smack it into an 8080 and it'll make your eardrums bleed... | Nov 26 22:29 |
ThistleWeb | which is fine if that's what you like | Nov 26 22:30 |
_goblin | and now Im inspired for a bit of Spinal tap: "Don't need a woman, I won't take me no wife | Nov 26 22:32 |
_goblin | I get the rock and roll and that'll be my life | Nov 26 22:32 |
_goblin | No page in history baby- that, I don't need | Nov 26 22:32 |
_goblin | I just want to make some eardrums bleed" | Nov 26 22:32 |
_goblin | a classic.... | Nov 26 22:32 |
schestowitz | [22:26] <MinceR> should have been a license to kill -9 or a license to killall | Nov 26 22:33 |
schestowitz | Germany and England forbid nmap | Nov 26 22:33 |
schestowitz | If you're a researcher maybe you can get a 'licence' for that | Nov 26 22:33 |
MinceR | or you could move to a less fascistic country | Nov 26 22:33 |
schestowitz | As if a licence will actually prevent people's use of some binaries...... | Nov 26 22:33 |
schestowitz | They just criminalise distros | Nov 26 22:34 |
schestowitz | MinceR: any such coutnries left? | Nov 26 22:34 |
MinceR | i'm not sure | Nov 26 22:34 |
MinceR | i'm looking for them | Nov 26 22:34 |
schestowitz | I had two conversations about it in the gym.... the UK goes the same way as the US, police state... | Nov 26 22:34 |
MinceR | when i have a little time for that, that is | Nov 26 22:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Article: #Vista7 Versus Vista http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/26/vista-failure-news/ | Nov 26 22:35 | |
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cubezzz | gigantic-pain left? | Nov 26 22:51 |
trmanco | he took the boot | Nov 26 22:52 |
cubezzz | ah, that was expected | Nov 26 22:52 |
MinceR | it was expected sooner | Nov 26 22:53 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Supports #GNU #Linux -Hostile Software, NASA Excludes With it After Microsoft MoU http://ur1.ca/glpz | Nov 26 23:18 | |
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oiaohm | http://oiaohm.blogspot.com/2009/11/big-issue-to-open-source-i-am-important.html | Nov 26 23:20 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I thought part of the deal behind the SDK was a gagging order that you couldn't discuss this stuff http://tinyurl.com/ydlpygf | Nov 26 23:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Breakfast briefing: on the dark side, the Mac side, the Windows side, and in paper | Technology | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/ylqhbgx | Nov 26 23:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Researchers Show That #Patents Can Harm Society (New Study) http://ur1.ca/glr2 | Nov 26 23:36 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/26/corel_holdings_buys_corel_corp/ | Nov 26 23:37 |
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schestowitz | "Oiaohm Battle Ground" | Nov 26 23:38 |
oiaohm | My blog just my zone for my annoyances schestowitz | Nov 26 23:40 |
ThistleWeb | when I first read that earlier I thought it was "how parents can harm society" lol | Nov 26 23:45 |
ThistleWeb | which can also be true | Nov 26 23:45 |
oiaohm | I still have to do the one on bugzilla yet. Simple fact bugzilla are full of bugs mostly duplicates so developers waste too much time going threw them. If people who post a bug searches for and remove 2 duplicate bugs from the stack lot of bugzilla problems would disappear. | Nov 26 23:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/26/turkey_thief/ | Nov 26 23:51 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Police smoke out 300-pound frozen turkey thief • The Register .::. Size~: 27.28 KB | Nov 26 23:51 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah, will link to it later | Nov 26 23:51 |
schestowitz | ThistleWeb: but everyone has/had parents | Nov 26 23:52 |
schestowitz | In fact, each and every person's parents and grandparents never ever died so young | Nov 26 23:52 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: yeah lol | Nov 26 23:52 |
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schestowitz | Except Mary of course. She had no ascendants | Nov 26 23:53 |
oiaohm | I have read a physicolagy paper titled "how parents can harm society" | Nov 26 23:53 |
schestowitz | Adam and Eve were made by a random number generator | Nov 26 23:53 |
oiaohm | It was deal with abuse and bigitory. | Nov 26 23:53 |
oiaohm | Remember when we are a child we have no idea what race descrimination is we are taught that. | Nov 26 23:54 |
schestowitz | ANother interesting fact: | Nov 26 23:54 |
schestowitz | At least one molecule in your body has passed through the bladder of someone you know from history | Nov 26 23:54 |
schestowitz | And none of the molecules in your body was there in you when you were young, even though you can remember being "there" at the time. | Nov 26 23:55 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/26/spinvox_layoffs/ | Nov 26 23:55 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: SpinVox puts spin on layoff rumours • The Register .::. Size~: 23.57 KB | Nov 26 23:55 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: don't be sure if they can remember on not. Quantium mechanics gets very confusing. | Nov 26 23:56 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/26/google_italy_trial/ | Nov 26 23:57 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Italian prosecutors seek jail time for Google execs • The Register .::. Size~: 28.6 KB | Nov 26 23:57 |
schestowitz | That's a little extreme, no? | Nov 26 23:57 |
schestowitz | They should seek jail time for crime-doers like Bill and Steve | Nov 26 23:57 |
oiaohm | And Quantium mechanices is not the smallest bit that makes up an atom. schestowitz So something in there still could have a time base memory. | Nov 26 23:57 |
schestowitz | They also have proof to show personal liability | Nov 26 23:57 |
schestowitz | Quantium mechanics has different rules | Nov 26 23:57 |
schestowitz | The realm of the very small has a probabilistic model | Nov 26 23:58 |
schestowitz | Eistein spent 20 years of his life fighting against it in vain. | Nov 26 23:58 |
schestowitz | He was wrong | Nov 26 23:58 |
schestowitz | Those who succeeded his work failed as well | Nov 26 23:58 |
schestowitz | People only remember what Einstein said that was right | Nov 26 23:58 |
schestowitz | Esp. his unified theory attempts after days as a patent clerk | Nov 26 23:58 |
schestowitz | I also came to realise he was highly competitive and not so polite | Nov 26 23:59 |
schestowitz | History tends to iconify people differently. "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." Sir Winston Churchill British politician (1874 - 1965). | Nov 26 23:59 |
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