_goblin | and for the IRC lurkers, that was said in jest. | Dec 08 00:00 |
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Delphiki | hehe | Dec 08 00:02 |
_goblin | I know how they like to trawl the IRC logs and quote out of context.....they will have difficulty now..... | Dec 08 00:03 |
schestowitz | _goblin: yeah, those Reptilians! | Dec 08 00:05 |
schestowitz | Ender told me they took those works out of context | Dec 08 00:05 |
schestowitz | I've seen other weird allegations, like falsely claiming that I blamed Microsoft for Nina Reiser's death or something | Dec 08 00:06 |
_goblin | still watching Survivor Series...oh...excellent...Ive been waiting for this...its DX now....and no not MS.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snW-5AHxYTA - its quite fitting as a vid/song about Linux users who have left MS products... | Dec 08 00:06 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/29/mischaracterising-boycott-novell/ | Dec 08 00:07 |
schestowitz | _goblin: weird choice | Dec 08 00:08 |
schestowitz | Now the trolls will accuse you of being gay | Dec 08 00:08 |
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_goblin | schestowitz: Probably.... | Dec 08 00:08 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Unlike them though Im not homophobic so it doesn't bother me.... | Dec 08 00:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/05/us-trade-rep-weasels.html | Dec 08 00:09 |
phIRCe-local | Title: US Trade Rep weasels and squirms when cornered on an airplane and questioned about secret copyright treaty Boing Boing .::. Size~: 85.95 KB | Dec 08 00:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1916606,twilight-taping-arrest-movie-120209.article | Dec 08 00:09 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Woman arrested for trying to record 'Twilight' on digital camera :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Metro & Tri-State .::. Size~: 69.37 KB | Dec 08 00:09 |
schestowitz | Police state, omg omg omg omg omg !!! :-) | Dec 08 00:10 |
schestowitz | Where is the MAFIAA heading? | Dec 08 00:10 |
_goblin | schestowitz: there was one in canada a few months back... | Dec 08 00:10 |
_goblin | schestowitz: can't remember the film he was trying to record. | Dec 08 00:11 |
tessier | Anyone remember who/what was involved in that patent that Microsoft sold which a pro-FOSS group then picked up? | Dec 08 00:11 |
_goblin | schestowitz: talking of which ...... went to see "The Box" the other day.....quite a good film.....when did popcorn become so expensive? | Dec 08 00:12 |
tessier | I don't even remember what the patent was about... | Dec 08 00:12 |
tessier | _goblin: Everything at the theater is a huge rip-off. :( Even paying $10/person to see the film. | Dec 08 00:12 |
_goblin | I paid more than $10... | Dec 08 00:12 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/07/nasa_hack/ | Dec 08 00:13 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Hacker scalps NASA-run websites • The Register .::. Size~: 27.03 KB | Dec 08 00:13 |
_goblin | it cost £28 in total for me and the wife + popcorn | Dec 08 00:13 |
schestowitz | tessier: Heise released a list of patents | Dec 08 00:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Microsoft-patents-exhibited-by-Linux-Defenders-741367.html | Dec 08 00:14 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft patents exhibited by Linux Defenders - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.07 KB | Dec 08 00:14 |
schestowitz | I can't quite find it yet | Dec 08 00:14 |
schestowitz | That's not the list | Dec 08 00:14 |
schestowitz | Oh, here: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Patently-Opaque-What-were-those-22-open-source-patents-816721.html | Dec 08 00:14 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Patently Opaque - What were those 22 "open source" patents? - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 36.14 KB | Dec 08 00:14 |
schestowitz | Ways to burn even more fossil fuel, for rich people: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091206/ts_alt_afp/usspacetourism_20091206170935 | Dec 08 00:17 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Virgin Galactic readies maiden suborbital flight - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 96.18 KB | Dec 08 00:17 |
tessier | Found the groklaw article about the 22 patents. Thanks. Just what I needed. | Dec 08 00:20 |
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schestowitz | tessier: has Microsoft sued you? :-p | Dec 08 00:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/183887/google_will_release_etherpad_as_open_source.html | Dec 08 00:23 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Google Will Release EtherPad as Open Source - PC World Business Center .::. Size~: 61.45 KB | Dec 08 00:23 |
tessier | schestowitz: no | Dec 08 00:27 |
schestowitz | _goblin: could have included http://www.ghacks.net/2009/12/07/bitlocker-encryption-not-100-secure-after-all/ in http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/why-fear-the-cloud-microsoft-patches-more-windows-exploits/ | Dec 08 00:30 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Bitlocker Encryption Not 100% Secure After All .::. Size~: 30.78 KB | Dec 08 00:30 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Why fear the cloud? Microsoft patches more Windows exploits. « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 42.7 KB | Dec 08 00:30 |
_goblin | schestowitz: yeah...there was so much material....the few I included were merely to make the point, "if data security is your reason not for working in the cloud, why on earth do you use Windows?" | Dec 08 00:33 |
cubezzz | can anything be 100% secure? | Dec 08 00:33 |
cubezzz | anyways I spent a more than a few hours on win7 last night | Dec 08 00:33 |
cubezzz | but the customer is happy now | Dec 08 00:34 |
cubezzz | he can boot into Fedora 11 if he doesn't like win7 | Dec 08 00:34 |
Delphiki | <--- Ender, yes they did take my reptilian jokes out of context | Dec 08 00:39 |
Delphiki | someone is being sued? | Dec 08 00:40 |
schestowitz | No, joke | Dec 08 00:53 |
Delphiki | ahh | Dec 08 00:54 |
Delphiki | http://lists.pcbsd.org/pipermail/testing/2009-December/003151.html | Dec 08 00:54 |
Delphiki | PC-BSD 8 Alpha Release | Dec 08 00:59 |
Delphiki | Includes something called "Life Preserver" which is a backup system based on top of SSH+Rsync | Dec 08 00:59 |
Delphiki | I wonder what license its under | Dec 08 00:59 |
Delphiki | i cant find it anywhere else | Dec 08 00:59 |
cubezzz | MIcrosoft is donating windows 7 to non-profits and libraries | Dec 08 01:08 |
cubezzz | anyways... who cares :) | Dec 08 01:14 |
cubezzz | I'm taking the positive route on my blog | Dec 08 01:16 |
cubezzz | it's just really disappointing to type in "linux blog" in google and the 2nd entry is the "Linux Hater's Blog" | Dec 08 01:16 |
Delphiki | lol | Dec 08 01:16 |
cubezzz | Microsoft is charing $26 for XP home on low-cost machines | Dec 08 01:20 |
cubezzz | charing | Dec 08 01:20 |
cubezzz | charging | Dec 08 01:21 |
cubezzz | ... | Dec 08 01:21 |
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cubezzz | http://alexandervanloon.nl/english/?p=292 | Dec 08 01:32 |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: you mean 'donating' | Dec 08 01:32 |
*schestowitz donates wishes from deep within the heart to everyone in this channel | Dec 08 01:32 | |
cubezzz | I don't know the exact "deal" | Dec 08 01:32 |
schestowitz | It's a boiler room deal *bwahaha!* | Dec 08 01:33 |
schestowitz | Nobodsy knows the deal... that's what makes it so lucrative and irresistible. | Dec 08 01:33 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm... turns out that Quincy Jones wanted to be a gangster | Dec 08 01:34 |
schestowitz | His speech at SXSW 2009 was shocking rather.... | Dec 08 01:34 |
schestowitz | He got some machine guns | Dec 08 01:34 |
cubezzz | you see it is much better to buy Acer with Linux on it rather than to try to get a refund under the EULA | Dec 08 01:36 |
cubezzz | that's the strategy I will use from now on, either that or buy used | Dec 08 01:36 |
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cubezzz | Old message from Matt Asay actually criticizing Microsoft and praising Novell! | Dec 08 01:43 |
ender2070 | refunds under the EULA are a mixed bag | Dec 08 01:45 |
ender2070 | you would only get what the oem pays | Dec 08 01:46 |
ender2070 | and they get good deals | Dec 08 01:46 |
ender2070 | asus offered someone $6 | Dec 08 01:46 |
cubezzz | that's fine, as long as one can actually get the refund | Dec 08 01:46 |
cubezzz | and you get 100% what the OEM paid | Dec 08 01:46 |
ender2070 | yeah but ms has been offering sick deals to oems | Dec 08 01:47 |
ender2070 | they probably did sell it to asus for $6 a copy, because of their linux netbooks | Dec 08 01:47 |
cubezzz | hmmm, that is really low | Dec 08 01:47 |
ender2070 | they're giving 7 away to schools | Dec 08 01:48 |
ender2070 | $0 | Dec 08 01:48 |
cubezzz | they must be feeling the pinch | Dec 08 01:48 |
ender2070 | i got 7 for free simply by purchasing an intel cpu | Dec 08 01:48 |
schestowitz | And their Windows revenue is DOWN 40% | Dec 08 01:48 |
cubezzz | well, that's good isn't it? :) | Dec 08 01:49 |
schestowitz | Not for them it's not... | Dec 08 01:49 |
ender2070 | anytime ms looses money im a happy camper | Dec 08 01:49 |
schestowitz | WIthout inertia they know windows is history | Dec 08 01:49 |
schestowitz | Allchin said so... | Dec 08 01:49 |
cubezzz | Allchin is gone | Dec 08 01:49 |
schestowitz | Something along the lines wrt APIs anyway | Dec 08 01:49 |
cubezzz | the old era is passing away | Dec 08 01:50 |
ender2070 | evil has the seeds of its own destruction built into it | Dec 08 01:50 |
ender2070 | they will die, slowly but surely | Dec 08 01:50 |
schestowitz | Naaa... | Dec 08 01:50 |
schestowitz | They'll still sell Zune in street corners | Dec 08 01:50 |
ender2070 | yeah but at that point its obvious they are prostitutes | Dec 08 01:50 |
schestowitz | Oh, and Xbox... they'll have tables to pick up RROD'd units | Dec 08 01:50 |
cubezzz | they do sound awful don't they | Dec 08 01:51 |
cubezzz | it could be a massive collapse like netscape | Dec 08 01:51 |
ender2070 | selling you a "good" or "fun" time in exchange for your morals | Dec 08 01:51 |
cubezzz | it's not fun though :) | Dec 08 01:51 |
cubezzz | where is the fun?? | Dec 08 01:51 |
ender2070 | some people think it is | Dec 08 01:51 |
ender2070 | perhaps video games | Dec 08 01:52 |
cubezzz | there are linux game publishers... | Dec 08 01:52 |
ender2070 | I have a quarantined box I use for winblows games | Dec 08 01:52 |
ender2070 | there are linux game publishers, and I try to get those games for my main box | Dec 08 01:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] MAJORITY OF NEW HTC PHONES WILL RUN ANDROID http://tinyurl.com/yjackaq ... Poor old Microsoft! #windows #xp #vista #android #microsoft | Dec 08 01:53 | |
ender2070 | i love wesnoth, very awesome game | Dec 08 01:53 |
ender2070 | maybe not 3d like most games but its awesome | Dec 08 01:53 |
phIRCe-local | maybe not 3d like most games but its awesome | Dec 08 01:53 |
cubezzz | ??? | Dec 08 01:53 |
ender2070 | ? | Dec 08 01:53 |
cubezzz | hahaha | Dec 08 01:54 |
cubezzz | what the heck | Dec 08 01:54 |
ender2070 | www.wesnoth.org | Dec 08 01:54 |
cubezzz | our bot is developing AI | Dec 08 01:54 |
ender2070 | hahahaha | Dec 08 01:55 |
ender2070 | he stopped listening to us too | Dec 08 01:55 |
ender2070 | notice he isnt linking? | Dec 08 01:55 |
ender2070 | skynet! | Dec 08 01:55 |
cubezzz | http://cubeman.org | Dec 08 01:55 |
cubezzz | ... | Dec 08 01:55 |
cubezzz | nope, not linking | Dec 08 01:55 |
ender2070 | hes gotten out of control | Dec 08 01:57 |
ender2070 | perhaps the reptilians co-opted him | Dec 08 01:57 |
schestowitz | ender2070: trmanco made a programming error | Dec 08 01:58 |
trmanco | what | Dec 08 01:58 |
schestowitz | Look up | Dec 08 01:59 |
trmanco | oh | Dec 08 01:59 |
trmanco | :| | Dec 08 01:59 |
schestowitz | http://istheinternetdown.com | Dec 08 01:59 |
trmanco | I get it | Dec 08 01:59 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 08 01:59 |
trmanco | lol | Dec 08 01:59 |
trmanco | it works | Dec 08 01:59 |
schestowitz | :-p | Dec 08 01:59 |
schestowitz | [01:53] <ender2070> maybe not 3d like most games but its awesome | Dec 08 01:59 |
schestowitz | [01:53] <phIRCe-local> maybe not 3d like most games but its awesome | Dec 08 01:59 |
trmanco | oh that | Dec 08 01:59 |
trmanco | it's random | Dec 08 02:00 |
trmanco | :| | Dec 08 02:00 |
schestowitz | I can't tell what pattern triggers it... | Dec 08 02:00 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 08 02:00 |
schestowitz | rand();? | Dec 08 02:00 |
trmanco | dunno | Dec 08 02:00 |
schestowitz | Nothing is random in computers, other than atomic stuff | Dec 08 02:00 |
trmanco | I don't have the slightest clue what causes that :| | Dec 08 02:00 |
ender2070 | maybe not 3d like most games but its awesome | Dec 08 02:00 |
ender2070 | hmm | Dec 08 02:00 |
trmanco | lol | Dec 08 02:00 |
ender2070 | are you sure its not reptilians? | Dec 08 02:01 |
schestowitz | Hmmm.. now I'm hungry | Dec 08 02:03 |
*schestowitz goes cooking some reptilians | Dec 08 02:03 | |
ender2070 | I think i'm going to sap the energy out of people | Dec 08 02:04 |
*ender2070 slithers away | Dec 08 02:04 | |
trmanco | lol | Dec 08 02:04 |
schestowitz | "maaa precious..." | Dec 08 02:04 |
trmanco | I'm still heartbroken btw... | Dec 08 02:04 |
schestowitz | We have here 23 hobbits, one goblin and a troll! | Dec 08 02:05 |
schestowitz | trmanco: we'll find you a new hobbit | Dec 08 02:05 |
cubezzz | ok, I get to be Tom Bombadil then | Dec 08 02:05 |
ender2070 | Tom Bombadil! | Dec 08 02:06 |
trmanco | hobbit :| | Dec 08 02:06 |
schestowitz | Or a heart surgery | Dec 08 02:06 |
trmanco | nah | Dec 08 02:06 |
trmanco | no way | Dec 08 02:07 |
trmanco | my heart still works out of the box, even though it's broken | Dec 08 02:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Google Completes/Complements #GNU #Linux http://www.chromeosgeek.com/what-chrome-os-has-on-windows-that-linux-doesnt.html | Dec 08 02:11 | |
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ender2070 | Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None have ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the master: His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster. | Dec 08 02:11 |
trmanco | who is the troll? | Dec 08 02:12 |
cubezzz | chrome is different from Linux then? | Dec 08 02:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Video Editing and Production with Free/Libre Software on #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/hbgt http://ur1.ca/hbgu | Dec 08 02:13 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Games on #GNU #Linux with #Crossover Games, #Wine http://ur1.ca/hbh1 http://ur1.ca/hbh3 | Dec 08 02:16 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones Favoured by #HTC , Windows Thrown Aside http://ur1.ca/hbhk http://ur1.ca/hbhl | Dec 08 02:22 | |
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cubezzz | they do? | Dec 08 02:23 |
cubezzz | Bell seems to love microsoft, ditto for Rogers | Dec 08 02:23 |
cubezzz | except for the Freenets of course | Dec 08 02:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC and Sugar Still Mature, Impact on Industry Evident http://ur1.ca/hbhq http://ur1.ca/hbhr | Dec 08 02:24 | |
ender2070 | rogers is in bed with yahoo | Dec 08 02:24 |
ender2070 | oh, you're right I guess | Dec 08 02:24 |
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ender2070 | yahoo is in bed with ms | Dec 08 02:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Release of #PacketFence 1.8.6 is Announced http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8582 | Dec 08 02:25 | |
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ender2070 | are you talking phones? | Dec 08 02:25 |
cubezzz | you can make a deal with the devil but you always lose in the end | Dec 08 02:26 |
ender2070 | i wouldnt mind a google android phone | Dec 08 02:26 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good Year Ahead for #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/hbhv http://ur1.ca/hbhw | Dec 08 02:26 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: What's Coming for Open Source in 2010 .::. Size~: 39.76 KB | Dec 08 02:26 |
ender2070 | not entirely open but no phones are | Dec 08 02:26 |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: Cell and Microsoft had deals | Dec 08 02:33 |
schestowitz | I wrote about it twice in BN | Dec 08 02:33 |
schestowitz | They broke it off earlier this year | Dec 08 02:33 |
schestowitz | /Cell/Bell/ | Dec 08 02:34 |
cubezzz | I bet Bell uses microsoft servers, but let's see | Dec 08 02:34 |
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schestowitz | Ha | Dec 08 02:34 |
schestowitz | No way. | Dec 08 02:34 |
schestowitz | Nobody uses it... | Dec 08 02:34 |
ender2070 | ? | Dec 08 02:35 |
schestowitz | Not even partner of Microsoft | Dec 08 02:35 |
schestowitz | *partners | Dec 08 02:35 |
ender2070 | uses what | Dec 08 02:35 |
cubezzz | checking | Dec 08 02:35 |
schestowitz | Just some dumb small companies with a dude who doesn't know about Linux | Dec 08 02:35 |
cubezzz | Microsoft web server | Dec 08 02:35 |
ender2070 | ahh ms web server = lame | Dec 08 02:35 |
ender2070 | gotta love how they used to license it based on site volume | Dec 08 02:35 |
schestowitz | Maybe they can afford more admins to watch and boot those boxes | Dec 08 02:36 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, it seems they use a mix of Microsoft and Linux | Dec 08 02:36 |
schestowitz | Linux admins can handle more server | Dec 08 02:36 |
schestowitz | *rs | Dec 08 02:36 |
cubezzz | redhat, and solaris too | Dec 08 02:36 |
ender2070 | especially with ubuntu server + launchpad (if they want to be lazy) | Dec 08 02:36 |
cubezzz | it's a big sprawling system | Dec 08 02:36 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: so maybe they should buy SLES from Novell with two units of "peace of mind" | Dec 08 02:36 |
ender2070 | does suse studio do 11.2 yet | Dec 08 02:37 |
schestowitz | ender2070: launchpad? | Dec 08 02:37 |
cubezzz | sympatico is largely doze | Dec 08 02:37 |
schestowitz | Canonical's admin s/w is not that | Dec 08 02:37 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - yeah, doesnt it manage several servers for you | Dec 08 02:37 |
schestowitz | Landscape? | Dec 08 02:37 |
ender2070 | landscape | Dec 08 02:37 |
cubezzz | don't be a dozer! | Dec 08 02:37 |
ender2070 | yeah | Dec 08 02:37 |
schestowitz | DOzer | Dec 08 02:37 |
schestowitz | Bull dozer! | Dec 08 02:37 |
schestowitz | Bullmer is a dozer, too | Dec 08 02:37 |
schestowitz | "WIndows Windows WIndows!" | Dec 08 02:37 |
cubezzz | dozer = guy in high school who did too many drugs OR | Dec 08 02:38 |
cubezzz | a windows user (who may also be on drugs) | Dec 08 02:38 |
schestowitz | Yeah, drugs... | Dec 08 02:38 |
ender2070 | reminds me of that sound board :) | Dec 08 02:38 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 08 02:38 |
schestowitz | “They’ll get sort of addicted, and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.” | Dec 08 02:38 |
schestowitz | --Pfeizer | Dec 08 02:38 |
schestowitz | Seriosly not, ParlyG does invest in those companies that stick to this business model | Dec 08 02:39 |
cubezzz | yeah you see I knew Microsoft was bad wayyy before this | Dec 08 02:39 |
cubezzz | before the 90's even started | Dec 08 02:39 |
cubezzz | Microsoft Canada's tech support, they were snarky | Dec 08 02:40 |
cubezzz | not friendly | Dec 08 02:40 |
ender2070 | unfortunately I only got a computer in 1996, and didnt know of any other competitors besides OS/2 till 1999 | Dec 08 02:40 |
ender2070 | I remember doing searches on infoseek trying to find an alternative to windows | Dec 08 02:40 |
cubezzz | there was Unix System V in the 80's | Dec 08 02:40 |
cubezzz | and of course AmigaDOS | Dec 08 02:41 |
ender2070 | none of my friends really knew much and my internet access was quite limited | Dec 08 02:41 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm to be Pressured to Comply with #GPL http://ur1.ca/hbiv http://ur1.ca/hbiw | Dec 08 02:41 | |
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cubezzz | ok, in the old days, for me that means mini-computer era | Dec 08 02:42 |
cubezzz | that was the only way you could get Unix | Dec 08 02:43 |
ender2070 | yeah | Dec 08 02:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Programming Tip from Linus/Linux: Release Often http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Forget_Perfection__Release_Your_App_to_the_World | Dec 08 02:43 | |
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cubezzz | then we had Altair, KIM-1, then the trinity | Dec 08 02:43 |
ender2070 | I wish I got into this earlier | Dec 08 02:43 |
cubezzz | Radio Shack, Commodore And Apple | Dec 08 02:43 |
ender2070 | like in 1996 when I got a computer | Dec 08 02:43 |
cubezzz | ha, I was making web pages then :) | Dec 08 02:43 |
ender2070 | dialup bbs's had no mention of anything other than OS/2 or DOS | Dec 08 02:43 |
ender2070 | at least in my area | Dec 08 02:44 |
cubezzz | no, the Universities were using Sun4's, ftp, gopher and the like | Dec 08 02:44 |
cubezzz | dialup BBs was poor man's "internet" | Dec 08 02:44 |
ender2070 | they were pretty good | Dec 08 02:44 |
ender2070 | thats where I learned about hacker culture | Dec 08 02:44 |
cubezzz | ummm, yeah maybe, but.... | Dec 08 02:45 |
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cubezzz | nothing compared to U of Waterloo at the same time | Dec 08 02:45 |
cubezzz | It was Academia only mostly | Dec 08 02:45 |
ender2070 | U of T had its own unix too if im not mistaken | Dec 08 02:45 |
ender2070 | a research os | Dec 08 02:45 |
cubezzz | yes, they had a Cray for a while too | Dec 08 02:46 |
cubezzz | I watched it getting installed | Dec 08 02:46 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Get on More People's Nerves http://ur1.ca/hbj2 http://ur1.ca/hbj3 | Dec 08 02:46 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Conspirator Sort of Interrogated http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/05/us-trade-rep-weasels.html #whitecollarcrime | Dec 08 02:46 | |
ender2070 | my friend got a copy of SCO Xenix | Dec 08 02:46 |
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ender2070 | original box set | Dec 08 02:46 |
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ender2070 | its like 50 pounds worth of disks | Dec 08 02:46 |
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phIRCe-local | my friend got a copy of SCO Xenix | Dec 08 02:46 |
phIRCe-local | original box set | Dec 08 02:46 |
phIRCe-local | its like 50 pounds worth of disks | Dec 08 02:46 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 08 02:46 |
cubezzz | ender2070, I have Xenix notes still, but we switched to Unix System V soon after | Dec 08 02:47 |
ender2070 | he didnt get this till like 2003 tho | Dec 08 02:47 |
ender2070 | he just grabbed it for his collection | Dec 08 02:47 |
cubezzz | 1988-1989 era | Dec 08 02:47 |
ender2070 | yeah something like that, it was used | Dec 08 02:48 |
ender2070 | he didnt even have anything he could try it out on for fun | Dec 08 02:48 |
cubezzz | no, not something like that, I have the dates right here :) | Dec 08 02:48 |
cubezzz | I lived it | Dec 08 02:48 |
ender2070 | :) | Dec 08 02:48 |
cubezzz | I wouldn't want to go back to that, we didn't have all the source code for the OS | Dec 08 02:49 |
cubezzz | not FOSS at all | Dec 08 02:49 |
ender2070 | I started with DOS 6.22/Win 3.1, then 3.11 for workgroups, then win95/98/2K then Linux :) | Dec 08 02:49 |
ender2070 | Redhat 5.2 was my first linux | Dec 08 02:49 |
cubezzz | Darkstar 0.9X for me | Dec 08 02:50 |
ender2070 | very old | Dec 08 02:50 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 08 02:50 |
cubezzz | then the back slide back into Microsoft unfortunately | Dec 08 02:50 |
cubezzz | ender2070, I still program with ncurses to this day | Dec 08 02:50 |
cubezzz | Amiga died, and in 1995 Windows 95 dominated | Dec 08 02:51 |
cubezzz | one year later from Commodore's death | Dec 08 02:51 |
cubezzz | some day I'll post my Windows 2.0 criticisms to the net | Dec 08 02:52 |
cubezzz | but here is the interesting thing... | Dec 08 02:52 |
cubezzz | the Unix guys were real snobs back then, so for me it wasn't easy to get into Unix | Dec 08 02:52 |
cubezzz | fast forward to now, the Linux guys are relatively friendly | Dec 08 02:53 |
cubezzz | to go into Amiga now, you would have to be very hard core | Dec 08 02:53 |
cubezzz | a truly open system has yet to hit the stores | Dec 08 02:55 |
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ender2070 | its not GNU\Hard | Dec 08 02:59 |
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schestowitz | gn | Dec 08 02:59 |
ender2070 | we got hurd | Dec 08 02:59 |
ender2070 | ty | Dec 08 02:59 |
ender2070 | gn | Dec 08 02:59 |
schestowitz | gnu turd | Dec 08 02:59 |
ender2070 | it is now but i'd like to see it progress | Dec 08 02:59 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, we got some nasties last night | Dec 08 03:00 |
cubezzz | very bad trolls, but I was polite | Dec 08 03:00 |
ender2070 | linsux guys | Dec 08 03:01 |
cubezzz | nite | Dec 08 03:02 |
ender2070 | nite | Dec 08 03:05 |
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cubezzz | if any US people here use a Freenet let me know | Dec 08 04:05 |
cubezzz | I'm curious to know which freenets are still operating | Dec 08 04:05 |
sebsebseb | interesting read | Dec 08 04:06 |
sebsebseb | http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/browser-shares-reveal-true-benefits-open-source | Dec 08 04:06 |
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cubezzz | yes, that is significant | Dec 08 04:29 |
cubezzz | one third of the market is using browsers that follow open standards | Dec 08 04:29 |
ender2070 | the rest are running ie6 on xp | Dec 08 04:30 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 08 04:30 |
cubezzz | let me check my own server numbers | Dec 08 04:30 |
ender2070 | the ie numbers should be ie6 | Dec 08 04:31 |
ender2070 | 7 and 8 are mixed bags | Dec 08 04:31 |
cubezzz | let's say 1/3 of the market is non microsoft | Dec 08 04:31 |
cubezzz | I see a lot of NT 5.1 what is that? | Dec 08 04:33 |
cubezzz | XP I think | Dec 08 04:33 |
cubezzz | and a small amount of NT 6.0 | Dec 08 04:34 |
ender2070 | nt 5.1 is xp | Dec 08 04:42 |
ender2070 | 6 is vista | Dec 08 04:42 |
ender2070 | 6.1 is 7 | Dec 08 04:43 |
ender2070 | figure that one out, lol | Dec 08 04:43 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Linux is 32% of netbooks, #Microsoft is dying http://ur1.ca/f5pt | Dec 08 04:46 | |
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Will_ | @schestowitz: I have another suggestion for the gnome-do alternatives: avant window navagator. It's written in C. | Dec 08 05:03 |
Will_ | for the wiki | Dec 08 05:04 |
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ender2070 | lol there are wackier people than David Icke | Dec 08 05:08 |
ender2070 | hey mrruckspin! | Dec 08 05:08 |
ender2070 | What did the five fingers say to the face? | Dec 08 05:08 |
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ender2070 | ***SLAP*** | Dec 08 05:09 |
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MinceR | lol | Dec 08 06:40 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Until the razor cuts. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/22596.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/536463.html | Dec 08 08:57 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Seagate introduces their own SSD http://ur1.ca/hc1f | Dec 08 09:06 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Horns: "You need a wide acceptance in all quarters of the Industry in order to push [UPLS] into reality": http://i5.be/Xv | Dec 08 09:19 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] An absolutely beautiful pair of time lapse movies of the Alps http://ur1.ca/hc27 http://ur1.ca/hc28 | Dec 08 09:26 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Online shopping? Useless Amazon...Won't be using that service again #fail | Dec 08 09:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham RT @Andrew_Rens: New blog post: A Treaty for the Visually Impaired http://tr.im/GZVW | Dec 08 10:24 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @kgerloff: Free Software groups criticise #EIFv2 draft - !FSFE 's analysis http://ur1.ca/gmkg on #OSOR http://ur1.ca/gxef !gnu !fsfs' | Dec 08 10:27 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Yet Another Nobel Prize Winner Says That Intellectual Property Is Harming Science http://tr.im/GZXb | Dec 08 10:28 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Gets Its Way in the European #Commission http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/08/eu-caving-in-to-microsoft/ #swpat #eu | Dec 08 10:29 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham Call for Comments for Paper on Copyright Law and the Print Impaired: http://bit.ly/8xyisT [ed] | Dec 08 10:33 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @jackerhack: The Economist examines the long tail theory and finds it lacking. With data. http://is.gd/5dNab | Dec 08 10:34 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: Time for @chetan_bhagat to learn from @paulocoelho. http://bit.ly/3EXw73 #chethanblocks | Dec 08 10:36 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Proof #Republicans are complete and absolute #douchebags http://ur1.ca/hc6d | Dec 08 10:56 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Wins in #Slovakia , Maybe More Countries http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/08/odf-progress-among-developers/ | Dec 08 10:59 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-kaufman/google-books-and-kindles_b_380536.html | Dec 08 11:02 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Letter to Chief Minister of Kerala on IT Policy Violation http://tr.im/H07i | Dec 08 11:08 | |
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schestowitz | The citizens are the enemy | Dec 08 11:32 |
schestowitz | They are busy tracking people's thoughts under the excuse of "terrorism' | Dec 08 11:32 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6922/1/ | Dec 08 11:57 |
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oiaohm | http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/12/pentagon-zombie-pigs-first-then-hibernating-gis/ | Dec 08 12:14 |
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schestowitz | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/columns/murphys_law_lets_all_switch_google_dns_oh_wait http://radoff.com/blog/2009/12/07/google-dns-benchmarking-and-rationale/ | Dec 08 12:15 |
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schestowitz | <oiaohm> Hmm any idea what is going on with freenode ? | Dec 08 12:18 |
schestowitz | Only that it's messy | Dec 08 12:19 |
schestowitz | In all channels, no message yet from freenode staff | Dec 08 12:19 |
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schestowitz | It's interesting that Fedora claims 20 million or more installations. I reckon a lot in industry use it quietly... Ubuntu seems popular among home users, not NASA for example. | Dec 08 12:33 |
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kecskebak | I really liked Fedora 12, until I found that Inkscape's text tool was broken in it! | Dec 08 12:35 |
kecskebak | The nouveau drivers are really good. | Dec 08 12:35 |
MinceR | even in 3d? | Dec 08 12:36 |
oiaohm | I know a lot who depend on centos a blood releation kecskebak | Dec 08 12:36 |
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kecskebak | Didn't try that, but 2D performance was better than the other free driver I tried | Dec 08 12:36 |
oiaohm | MinceR: as yet nouveaeu still suxs at 3d. | Dec 08 12:36 |
oiaohm | But it is one of the most stable 2d drivers you can use. | Dec 08 12:36 |
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kecskebak | I use Inkscape and The GIMP pretty much most of the time | Dec 08 12:37 |
MinceR | and how do they perform in desktop compositing? | Dec 08 12:37 |
kecskebak | No desktop effects in Fedora 12 | Dec 08 12:37 |
kecskebak | If you use nouveau | Dec 08 12:37 |
MinceR | pft | Dec 08 12:38 |
kecskebak | But I didn't get bits of window left behind in Inkscape, which happens regularly with the other free driver | Dec 08 12:38 |
kecskebak | And it seemed faster too | Dec 08 12:38 |
kecskebak | I also tried KDE. I managed to last three days before I went back to GNOME. I thought KDE was impressive, but gimmicky. | Dec 08 12:40 |
kecskebak | But that's purely my personality - it's no fault of KDE. | Dec 08 12:40 |
MinceR | i've found kde to be both more usable and more reliable than gnome | Dec 08 12:41 |
MinceR | especially with desktop compositing | Dec 08 12:41 |
MinceR | kwin is a lot less buggy than compiz | Dec 08 12:41 |
kecskebak | It's entirely a personality thing I think - I'm glad there are both. I can almost predict which of my friends would prefer one or the other. | Dec 08 12:41 |
MinceR | :) | Dec 08 12:41 |
MinceR | i'm glad there are both, too | Dec 08 12:42 |
kecskebak | If GNOME flirts any more with Mono I'll be a KDE user full time :) | Dec 08 12:42 |
MinceR | :) | Dec 08 12:42 |
MinceR | have you tried XFCE? | Dec 08 12:42 |
kecskebak | No, but I might put it on my wife's computer, which is quite elderly. | Dec 08 12:42 |
kecskebak | It struggles a tiny bit with GNOME | Dec 08 12:43 |
MinceR | i consider it "gnome lite" | Dec 08 12:43 |
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*schestowitz enjoys watching Dimbleby slammed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_3qFpi4ooU&feature=related | Dec 08 12:59 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Children Love #GNU #Linux , Find It Intuitive http://ur1.ca/hcgz http://ur1.ca/hch0 | Dec 08 13:45 | |
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phIRCe-local | Title: Tux Typing for kids- A Tuxy alternative to Mavis Beacon. | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 90.46 KB | Dec 08 13:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #GNU #Linux Reaches System z System #Mainframe Servers http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-12-07-029-35-PR-HE-SV | Dec 08 13:48 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] attending #bisexualunderground this evening. anyone else? http://www.bisexualunderground.org/ | Dec 08 13:50 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two #Gentoo Derivatives Reviewed and Introduced http://ur1.ca/hchc http://ur1.ca/hchd (Pentoo and Exherbo) | Dec 08 13:51 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If #Fedora Reports 20 Million Installations of Fedora #GNU #Linux , How Many in Total? http://ur1.ca/hchn | Dec 08 13:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Boxee Probably Ships #GNU #Linux Boxes http://mashable.com/2009/12/07/boxee-box-dlink/ | Dec 08 13:57 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE #Plasma on Sub-notebooks: a Preview http://maketecheasier.com/kde-plasma-netbook-preview/2009/12/07 #kde4 #gnu #linux | Dec 08 13:59 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CrunchPad is Back! (Under New Name) http://news.cnet.com/8301-19882_3-10410393-250.html | Dec 08 14:00 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: CrunchPad reborn as JooJoo | Rafe's Radar - CNET News .::. Size~: 101.77 KB | Dec 08 14:00 |
MinceR | Ju-Ju Zombie | Dec 08 14:00 |
schestowitz | Check out the photo | Dec 08 14:03 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 08 14:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Taint #SQL Queries http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1840847/can-someone-copyright-an-sql-query | Dec 08 14:08 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org Market Share Estimated http://ur1.ca/hcj3 | Dec 08 14:13 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenBSD Progresses Fast, #pfSense Built on #FreeBSD http://ur1.ca/hcj9 http://ur1.ca/hcja | Dec 08 14:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US #Government Does Not Keep Promise on #Openness http://ur1.ca/hcje http://ur1.ca/hcjf | Dec 08 14:16 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Conspirator Says ACTA Too Nasty to be Seen Publicly http://keionline.org/node/706 | Dec 08 14:17 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government in #Australia Turns to State Police http://ur1.ca/hcjm #policestate | Dec 08 14:19 | |
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schestowitz | bbl | Dec 08 14:21 |
oiaohm | http://www.carnegiecorp.com.au/ <<< When you know this tech exists why is a desilintation plant being built needing power lines? | Dec 08 14:25 |
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Bertus | hi | Dec 08 14:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] MUST WATCH MUST WATCH MUST WATCH!!! xD -- KDE SC 4.4 Preview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEuapaLJF8g | Dec 08 14:33 | |
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trmanco | looks promising | Dec 08 14:46 |
Omar87 | trmanco: yeah! :D | Dec 08 15:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] MUST WATCH MUST WATCH MUST WATCH Part 2!! xD -- KDE SC 4.4 Preview (Part II) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcIUkQnYjk | Dec 08 15:06 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20091208/LOCAL03/312089930/1002/LOCAL | Dec 08 15:33 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Ex_officer gets 1 year for fondling teen | The Journal Gazette, Fort Wayne, Ind. .::. Size~: 30.32 KB | Dec 08 15:33 |
DaemonFC | of course they go lighter on a police officer | Dec 08 15:34 |
DaemonFC | if it was anyone else, they would have gotten no less than five years | Dec 08 15:34 |
DaemonFC | Indiana also has half your sentence suspended for good behavior, so he'll be home in 6 months | Dec 08 15:35 |
DaemonFC | I've always kind of wondered though why you can conceivably get a year for child molestation, but if they find a nude image of an underage teenager on your computer, you get 20 years | Dec 08 15:36 |
ender2070 | the 20 million fedora users are probably those who also agreed to submit their installation profile | Dec 08 15:52 |
kecskebak | They do seem very keen on you doing that - when you try clicking No you get another dialog box offering you the chance to "reconsider"... | Dec 08 15:53 |
ender2070 | I've sent one in | Dec 08 15:55 |
ender2070 | the rest i cancel | Dec 08 15:55 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: for the same reason you get a harsher sentence for file sharing than murder | Dec 08 15:56 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: There's really no jail sentence unless you're selling copies that you made | Dec 08 15:57 |
DaemonFC | otherwise they can sue you and that's really not that bad | Dec 08 15:57 |
DaemonFC | they may "win 20 million dollars" from you, and that makes impressive headlines | Dec 08 15:57 |
DaemonFC | but you can file bankruptcy immediately and pay none of it | Dec 08 15:58 |
MinceR | and it makes your impressively broke and homeless | Dec 08 15:58 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Nope | Dec 08 15:58 |
DaemonFC | Chapter 13 bankruptcy, you actually keep most of your assets | Dec 08 15:58 |
MinceR | what do i not keep? | Dec 08 15:58 |
DaemonFC | like, they can't take your house, and you can keep your car provided it's not some luxury Mercedes or something | Dec 08 15:58 |
DaemonFC | they can't take your retirement in bankruptcy | Dec 08 15:59 |
DaemonFC | they obviously can't take your savings bonds if you don't tell them about them | Dec 08 15:59 |
DaemonFC | most often, in a debt that size, you don't end up paying them anything at all | Dec 08 15:59 |
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DaemonFC | cause the court also can't take money you have unless it's way more than you need to live on | Dec 08 16:00 |
DaemonFC | so if the RIAA sued me, I would file Chapter 13 and they wouldn't get anything | Dec 08 16:00 |
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DaemonFC | MinceR: "Winning" your case against someone on Social Security income is already a pretty meaningless victory | Dec 08 16:01 |
MinceR | not if you can set a precedent | Dec 08 16:02 |
MinceR | you can also humiliate them | Dec 08 16:02 |
DaemonFC | they're already broke and federal law says they can't touch your SSI/SSDI money | Dec 08 16:02 |
DaemonFC | I probably wouldn't even file bankruptcy, I don't have anything they can legally take | Dec 08 16:02 |
MinceR | what about computers and appliances? | Dec 08 16:03 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: What about them? | Dec 08 16:03 |
MinceR | can't they take those? | Dec 08 16:03 |
DaemonFC | they can't take your appliances | Dec 08 16:03 |
DaemonFC | I would probably hide the on-hand valuables at my mother's house if I thought they were in danger of being taken | Dec 08 16:04 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: The real evil is credit card companies (reducing) your debt to them | Dec 08 16:07 |
MinceR | how do they work? | Dec 08 16:07 |
DaemonFC | cause then the difference is treated as taxable income by the IRS, which can't be discharged in bankruptcy | Dec 08 16:07 |
DaemonFC | so if I owe the credit card company $10,000 and they negotiate with me and I agree to pay $2,000, the IRS says the company gave me $8,000 | Dec 08 16:08 |
DaemonFC | then they tax that at like 12% (cause it would be my only taxable income that year so I'd be in a "low" tax bracket" | Dec 08 16:09 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: So all of a sudden I owe the IRS $960 as well | Dec 08 16:09 |
DaemonFC | the more "forgiven" debt, the more taxes you owe | Dec 08 16:10 |
MinceR | ic | Dec 08 16:10 |
DaemonFC | I could have files bankruptcy and wiped out the entire $10,000, but instead I negotiated with the card company and owe them $2,000 and the IRS $960 now | Dec 08 16:11 |
DaemonFC | bad deal | Dec 08 16:11 |
DaemonFC | *filed | Dec 08 16:11 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: I already am in $6,000 debt over medical expenses | Dec 08 16:12 |
DaemonFC | I haven't filed bankruptcy because they can't legally seize my money anyway | Dec 08 16:12 |
MinceR | would you have ended up with other consequences if you had filed bankruptcy? | Dec 08 16:12 |
DaemonFC | so why pay the $1,000 to file? | Dec 08 16:12 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: It's on your credit report for 7 years | Dec 08 16:12 |
DaemonFC | but if you're in that deep, it may actually improve your credit to file bankruptcy, even while it's on the report | Dec 08 16:13 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 08 16:13 |
DaemonFC | cause now my credit score is bad, but I don't have any debt | Dec 08 16:13 |
DaemonFC | as opposed to bad credit and a $10,000 debt | Dec 08 16:13 |
DaemonFC | Chapter 13 is the one to go for MinceR , if you're sure that the court trustee will say you can't pay the debt at all | Dec 08 16:14 |
DaemonFC | Chapter 7 is a partial bankruptcy which only forgives some bills | Dec 08 16:15 |
DaemonFC | Chapter 11 is just a repayment plan, you still owe everything, but the court sets up a payment plan and keeps them from suing you while you're paying | Dec 08 16:15 |
MinceR | so you still need to make sure the court trustee will think you can't pay the debt | Dec 08 16:15 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Not hard to do when you've been sued for $20 million | Dec 08 16:16 |
MinceR | :) | Dec 08 16:16 |
DaemonFC | if they all hurt you just as bad, you might as well just pull out the big nuke and go after all your bills | Dec 08 16:17 |
DaemonFC | if you qualify for Chapter 13 that is | Dec 08 16:17 |
DaemonFC | if you do that, your bills are batched together to make a total debt | Dec 08 16:18 |
DaemonFC | so if I owe $6,000 to the hospital, $10,000 to the credit card company, and I'm behind 3 payments on my car and it's going to be repossessed, I file chapter 13 | Dec 08 16:18 |
DaemonFC | it all goes away and I own the car outright | Dec 08 16:18 |
DaemonFC | provided I can hide it until the bankruptcy is complete :) | Dec 08 16:19 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 08 16:19 |
DaemonFC | those repo people can take it until the bankruptcy case it final | Dec 08 16:19 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: That's why I tell people not to get a car with OnStar or Microsoft Sync | Dec 08 16:20 |
DaemonFC | helps the repo people track down the car via GPS | Dec 08 16:20 |
MinceR | ic | Dec 08 16:21 |
DaemonFC | they can also disable it | Dec 08 16:21 |
MinceR | well, that only matters if you get the car on a loan payment, doesn't it? | Dec 08 16:21 |
DaemonFC | so you can't unlock it or start the engine | Dec 08 16:21 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Yeah, if you finance it and miss 1 payment, they can legally repo it | Dec 08 16:21 |
DaemonFC | they usually don't until you miss 3-4 | Dec 08 16:22 |
DaemonFC | they reaqlly don't want your car, they want to work something out to where you can pay them | Dec 08 16:22 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: The best thing to do if you're behind on your payments and may get a repo is file bankruptcy and find someone with a locked garage to keep it in until the bankruptcy is finished | Dec 08 16:24 |
DaemonFC | keep it in there, don't drive it, bum a ride to work | Dec 08 16:24 |
DaemonFC | someone that's not listed as a relative, credit reference, etc. | Dec 08 16:25 |
DaemonFC | the repo people go to all those places first | Dec 08 16:25 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Technically, I've been a repossession agent, not cars though, stuff like furniture and televisions and stuff | Dec 08 16:26 |
MinceR | ic | Dec 08 16:26 |
DaemonFC | those are hard enough to get back sometimes | Dec 08 16:26 |
DaemonFC | we paid a police officer to go persuade people to give it back | Dec 08 16:26 |
DaemonFC | while he was off duty | Dec 08 16:27 |
MinceR | did he appear as a police officer or as a civilian? | Dec 08 16:27 |
MinceR | did he lie? | Dec 08 16:27 |
DaemonFC | he was in uniform when he went out to their house | Dec 08 16:27 |
DaemonFC | no | Dec 08 16:27 |
DaemonFC | he stated the facts and let them draw their own conclusions | Dec 08 16:27 |
MinceR | ic | Dec 08 16:28 |
DaemonFC | you see a cop at the door, your first thought is that you may be in some legal trouble | Dec 08 16:28 |
DaemonFC | so they panicked and gave it back, every time | Dec 08 16:28 |
MinceR | what were the facts? from what you've said it follows that it's in their best interests to hide what they can | Dec 08 16:28 |
MinceR | unless it's something like 'if we find it at a relative, you're hosed' | Dec 08 16:28 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: That they're behind on their payments, that if they continue to keep the merchandise past a certain point they'll be legally in possession of stolen property | Dec 08 16:29 |
DaemonFC | if they don't give it back, the charge can carry up to 1 year in jail and $5,000 in fines | Dec 08 16:29 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Rental-Purchase contract not really financing so much | Dec 08 16:29 |
DaemonFC | so we kept ownership while they were paying on it | Dec 08 16:30 |
MinceR | ic | Dec 08 16:30 |
DaemonFC | the contract stated that it was our property until all payments were made and if they were unable to pay, they were required to give it back at the end of the last paid week | Dec 08 16:31 |
MinceR | so if you filed bankruptcy as described above, you'd be legally in possession of stolen property? what would the repercussions be? | Dec 08 16:31 |
MinceR | or is that specific to the contract? | Dec 08 16:31 |
DaemonFC | Class A Misdemeanor, 1 year/$5,000 | Dec 08 16:31 |
DaemonFC | that's a criminal case at that point | Dec 08 16:31 |
DaemonFC | the judge has some room to adjust the sentence though | Dec 08 16:32 |
DaemonFC | he could say 6 months, with 3 months of that suspended, and 9 months of probation, and $1,000 fine | Dec 08 16:32 |
DaemonFC | and of course if you're on probation, you have to pay $500 just to be on it | Dec 08 16:32 |
DaemonFC | and if they decide to drug test you, you pay for that too | Dec 08 16:33 |
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DaemonFC | and if you fail a drug test or violate the probation, all your remaining probation time and any suspended sentence is now jail time | Dec 08 16:33 |
DaemonFC | it's not worth that to try and hang onto the TV or the couch | Dec 08 16:34 |
DaemonFC | :P | Dec 08 16:34 |
MinceR | what if you don't pay the $500? | Dec 08 16:34 |
DaemonFC | same as violating, the $500 is one of the terms | Dec 08 16:34 |
DaemonFC | now, they could also give you informal probation | Dec 08 16:34 |
MinceR | ic | Dec 08 16:34 |
DaemonFC | same terms but you don't have to check in or pay the fees | Dec 08 16:34 |
DaemonFC | it basically means if the cops arrest you again, you're in trouble for violating the probation as well | Dec 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | other than that, informal probation doesn't actually mean anything | Dec 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | I've been on that | Dec 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | and was in a bar while I was on it | Dec 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | which is a violation | Dec 08 16:35 |
DaemonFC | and drunk in public after that which is another one obviously | Dec 08 16:36 |
DaemonFC | but I didn't get arrested, so they never knew | Dec 08 16:36 |
MinceR | :) | Dec 08 16:36 |
DaemonFC | it probably also helped that I was out of town and none of the Fort Wayne police or probation officers know me | Dec 08 16:36 |
DaemonFC | the judge that sentenced me is gay and messing around with my landlord | Dec 08 16:37 |
DaemonFC | but it's very hush hush | Dec 08 16:37 |
DaemonFC | he's also an alcoholic | Dec 08 16:37 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 08 16:37 |
DaemonFC | I got anger management for 6 months, informal probation for a year | Dec 08 16:38 |
DaemonFC | had to pay $400 up front for the program and $13 a week for the 6 months | Dec 08 16:38 |
DaemonFC | and there were my layer fees of another $600 | Dec 08 16:38 |
DaemonFC | *lawyer | Dec 08 16:38 |
DaemonFC | I got off light | Dec 08 16:38 |
DaemonFC | We negotiated with the prosecutor and they agreed to not put anything on my record | Dec 08 16:39 |
DaemonFC | it's like it never even happened now | Dec 08 16:39 |
DaemonFC | aside from all the money spent to make it go away | Dec 08 16:39 |
MinceR | what was the case? | Dec 08 16:39 |
DaemonFC | Class A Misdemeanor, Assault and Battery | Dec 08 16:40 |
ender2070 | I love Fedora + KDE | Dec 08 16:40 |
ender2070 | they are one of the most bleeding edge kde distros you can get | Dec 08 16:41 |
DaemonFC | Class A Misdemeanor Assault with Bodily Fluids | Dec 08 16:41 |
MinceR | "if i want cutting edge, i'll get a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it." | Dec 08 16:41 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: ew | Dec 08 16:41 |
DaemonFC | Class A Misdemeanor, Public Intoxication | Dec 08 16:41 |
DaemonFC | so MinceR, I got a good deal | Dec 08 16:41 |
MinceR | ic | Dec 08 16:41 |
DaemonFC | would you agree? :D | Dec 08 16:41 |
ender2070 | I even run rawhide, which is like, even more so | Dec 08 16:42 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Technically the judge could have given me 3 years and $15,000 in fines | Dec 08 16:42 |
DaemonFC | or a mix of years served, fines, and real probation | Dec 08 16:42 |
ender2070 | <DaemonFC> the judge that sentenced me is gay and messing around with my landlord | Dec 08 16:43 |
DaemonFC | I could still be in jail for that | Dec 08 16:43 |
ender2070 | why do you have to be so ignorant | Dec 08 16:43 |
DaemonFC | ender2070? | Dec 08 16:43 |
DaemonFC | Maybe cause I don't respect that a judge running as a Republican, bashing gays publicly, is one himself | Dec 08 16:43 |
ender2070 | you freaked on me for using the word "gay" | Dec 08 16:43 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: He is gay | Dec 08 16:44 |
DaemonFC | What do you want me to call him? Delightful? | Dec 08 16:44 |
DaemonFC | that would be a lie | Dec 08 16:44 |
MinceR | the issue is with freaking on someone for using the word "gay", isn't it? | Dec 08 16:45 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 16:45 |
ender2070 | cause he freaked on me for saying that about win7 | Dec 08 16:45 |
ender2070 | then uses it himself | Dec 08 16:45 |
DaemonFC | it's not a derogatory term | Dec 08 16:45 |
DaemonFC | it's descriptive | Dec 08 16:46 |
DaemonFC | you were using it in a derogatory fashion | Dec 08 16:46 |
ender2070 | I was using it as a descriptive | Dec 08 16:46 |
DaemonFC | derogatorily descriptive | Dec 08 16:46 |
ender2070 | so the judge is actually homosexual? | Dec 08 16:47 |
ender2070 | as in you have proof | Dec 08 16:47 |
MinceR | what's wrong with using it in a derogatory fashion if it's true? :> | Dec 08 16:48 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: Yes I know it is true | Dec 08 16:55 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: So why can't he say "Windows 7 is worthless"? | Dec 08 16:56 |
DaemonFC | You know, instead of trying to simultaneously trying to attack Windows 7 and homosexuals | Dec 08 16:57 |
DaemonFC | which have nothing to do with one another despite his prejudices | Dec 08 16:57 |
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MinceR | DaemonFC: windows deserves to be attacked because it's a worthless and evil pile of shit | Dec 08 16:59 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: now i can see why homosexuals would be insulted if they were being equated to windows. | Dec 08 17:00 |
DaemonFC | right, so why can't he say what he means instead of irrelevantly attacking homosexuals at the same time? | Dec 08 17:00 |
MinceR | because "something is gay" is a slang term for dismissing something | Dec 08 17:03 |
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MinceR | s/something/<&>/ | Dec 08 17:06 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I haven't written anything in my blog for more than a month and hav a lot to writeup . I moved it to wordpress http://tinyurl.com/ylewmnh | Dec 08 17:06 | |
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zer0c00l | any one have experience in elisp? | Dec 08 17:15 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ender2070] It's about time: Google Chrome for Linux in beta! http://bit.ly/4tGaKr | Dec 08 17:29 | |
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schestowitz | Good show.. http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/8/stream | Dec 08 17:45 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2009/12/08/joojoo_crunchpad/ "Is the pic a throwback to those Geico commercials that its so simple a caveman can use it?" | Dec 08 17:57 |
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MinceR | :) | Dec 08 18:00 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] W00t google chrome officially released for linux. waiting for spot to package it for fedora. :D | Dec 08 18:01 | |
trmanco | strange :| | Dec 08 18:02 |
trmanco | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2009/12/08/joojoo_crunchpad/ | Dec 08 18:02 |
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trmanco | lool | Dec 08 18:02 |
trmanco | I was about to install Google Chrome | Dec 08 18:08 |
trmanco | but it needs gconf-common and some other gnome dep... so I didn't :| | Dec 08 18:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/terrorists_targ.html | Dec 08 18:10 |
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schestowitz | test http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/08/joojoo_crunchpad/ | Dec 08 18:10 |
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schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8400300.stm | Dec 08 18:12 |
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schestowitz | "And Y2K isn't the only rollover to trouble computing. Unix systems, including the increasingly popular Linux kernel, count time as the number of seconds since midnight on 1 January 1970, and at 3:14:08 AM UTC on January 19, 2038 the number of seconds will be too great to be stored in a 32-bit number, as used by older Unix systems. At that point any 32-bit Unix computers will think it is 1970, and may well misbehave." | Dec 08 18:12 |
schestowitz | Any bets on whether we even have such computers in THREE decades??? | Dec 08 18:12 |
schestowitz | That's like using some computer from the 70s today and whining that it doesn't keep time right | Dec 08 18:13 |
schestowitz | But in the 70s computers were rarer | Dec 08 18:13 |
schestowitz | "SpaceShipTwo was presented to the world in Mojave, California." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8400353.stm Wow. Same as the name Vista spolied. | Dec 08 18:14 |
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trmanco | http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/w00t.html | Dec 08 18:14 |
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schestowitz | Heh. Brilliant | Dec 08 18:21 |
schestowitz | "Inspired by xkcd.com. " | Dec 08 18:22 |
schestowitz | I thought it was just him | Dec 08 18:22 |
schestowitz | Bad news to Microsoft.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/08/eu_consumer_protection_laws/ | Dec 08 18:22 |
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schestowitz | "The Pelican claims sounded, frankly, weird to me when I first read them, including claims of Darl McBride and Robert Brazell setting up a website to defame Robbins." http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091207093050821 | Dec 08 18:23 |
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schestowitz | I guess all those defamation sites against Groklaw become suspect | Dec 08 18:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1565259/nokia-shuts-shop "IT IS A SIGN OF THE TIMES that Nokia has shut its swanky high-tech store in London's Regent Street." | Dec 08 18:27 |
schestowitz | Hehe. "GREY TIN BOXMAKER Dell..." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1565244/dell-releases-cut-price-vostro-v13 | Dec 08 18:29 |
schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091208104422384 | Dec 08 18:31 |
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schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/08/google-cracks-down-on-%E2%80%9Cgoogle-money%E2%80%9D-scammers | Dec 08 18:32 |
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schestowitz | Amy Goodman has a special new show from Copenhagen.... http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/8/stream | Dec 08 18:34 |
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schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/high-level-event-on-ict-for-energy-efficiency-2010/ | Dec 08 18:34 |
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schestowitz | http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFluNews/swine-flu-blown-proportion/story?id=9270149 | Dec 08 18:38 |
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schestowitz | http://www.cio.com/article/510117/Larrabee_Intel_s_Bad_News_is_Good_for_Nvidia_and_AMD | Dec 08 18:45 |
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ender2070 | :( | Dec 08 18:47 |
ender2070 | i was rooting for larrabee | Dec 08 18:47 |
ender2070 | now we gotta put up with proprietary nvidia and amd for a while longer | Dec 08 18:47 |
schestowitz | Well, Intel is a no-go anyway | Dec 08 18:47 |
ender2070 | intel provides open source drivers | Dec 08 18:48 |
schestowitz | Nvidia.. collusion/price-fixing | Dec 08 18:48 |
ender2070 | amd collusion/price-fixing | Dec 08 18:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20091129070817552/ERP.html | Dec 08 18:48 |
schestowitz | Slow day today... | Dec 08 18:48 |
ender2070 | heh | Dec 08 18:48 |
ender2070 | google chrome for linux hit beta | Dec 08 18:48 |
ender2070 | http://bit.ly/4tGaKr | Dec 08 18:49 |
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ender2070 | it wants lsb to be installed | Dec 08 18:50 |
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DaemonFC | Nokia makes all the bargain basement crap it seems like | Dec 08 18:55 |
schestowitz | http://www.my-seo-company.com/index.php?linux&release=Fedora%2012%20LXDE%20Spin | Dec 08 18:56 |
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DaemonFC | if you want a phone other than the "free" one, there's almost no Nokias | Dec 08 18:56 |
DaemonFC | they also make most of the dollar store Tracfone models | Dec 08 18:56 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6922/1/ "Fedora is among the most world's popular Linux distributions. " | Dec 08 18:58 |
schestowitz | >>>> "Fedora is among the world's MOST popular Linux distributions. | Dec 08 18:58 |
schestowitz | oopsie in 1st setence | Dec 08 18:59 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: A friend of mine has 3 phones fall into the loo | Dec 08 18:59 |
schestowitz | He's using his g/f's now | Dec 08 18:59 |
schestowitz | It's pink ! | Dec 08 19:00 |
DaemonFC | let me guess | Dec 08 19:00 |
DaemonFC | it's pink | Dec 08 19:00 |
DaemonFC | haha | Dec 08 19:00 |
schestowitz | yeah | Dec 08 19:00 |
schestowitz | I teased him about it | Dec 08 19:00 |
schestowitz | I asked him why pink means feminine | Dec 08 19:00 |
schestowitz | He couldn't answer | Dec 08 19:00 |
schestowitz | Same with the question, why do men have short hair and women have longer hair | Dec 08 19:01 |
schestowitz | These are generally questions people never ask themselves, like "why if the sky blue" or "what are stars"? | Dec 08 19:02 |
schestowitz | *is | Dec 08 19:02 |
ender2070 | Jesus had long hair | Dec 08 19:02 |
ender2070 | RMS has long hair | Dec 08 19:03 |
ender2070 | Hippies have long hair | Dec 08 19:03 |
schestowitz | Minority today | Dec 08 19:03 |
ender2070 | yeah | Dec 08 19:03 |
schestowitz | Facial hair withstanding | Dec 08 19:03 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's a sexual identity thing | Dec 08 19:04 |
ender2070 | its peer pressure based self stereotyping | Dec 08 19:04 |
schestowitz | What if everyone shaved their heads? | Dec 08 19:04 |
ender2070 | "no guys are allowed to wear pink, therefor I can't" | Dec 08 19:04 |
schestowitz | Or let it grow? | Dec 08 19:04 |
ender2070 | shaved heads isnt a stereotype | Dec 08 19:05 |
ender2070 | unless you're a neo nazi | Dec 08 19:05 |
schestowitz | Let grow is the more natural option | Dec 08 19:05 |
schestowitz | ender2070: some tribes too | Dec 08 19:05 |
schestowitz | It depends. | Dec 08 19:05 |
ender2070 | some stereotypes are reinforced by peer pressure | Dec 08 19:05 |
schestowitz | ALso US army | Dec 08 19:05 |
schestowitz | They are not neo-Nazis | Dec 08 19:06 |
ender2070 | some would argue that, rofl | Dec 08 19:06 |
DaemonFC | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B741Q20091208 | Dec 08 19:06 |
schestowitz | But it depends who you ask I guess, e.g. ask in Arb countries | Dec 08 19:06 |
schestowitz | Anyway, if there was no appearance divide some identify would be lost | Dec 08 19:06 |
ender2070 | even non-crazies like Naomi Wolf insist the US is turning into Nazi Germany | Dec 08 19:06 |
schestowitz | You'd tell apart sexed (if clothed) by things like adam's apple and stubble | Dec 08 19:07 |
ender2070 | well for instance, you dont see men wearing dresses | Dec 08 19:07 |
schestowitz | I don't know the manifestation of fashions like hit | Dec 08 19:07 |
schestowitz | *This | Dec 08 19:07 |
ender2070 | unless they are transgender | Dec 08 19:07 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: She's crazy just for saying that | Dec 08 19:07 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - but shes correct | Dec 08 19:07 |
schestowitz | Like why women have 'women' coluor and man have 'men' colours | Dec 08 19:07 |
DaemonFC | I wish it were possible to send everyone that says that back in time | Dec 08 19:07 |
DaemonFC | to live in the real Nazi Germany | Dec 08 19:07 |
schestowitz | It's very arbitrary anyway | Dec 08 19:07 |
schestowitz | Like wavelengths | Dec 08 19:07 |
schestowitz | Physics know no gender | Dec 08 19:08 |
DaemonFC | they need to beat those people with a cluestick | Dec 08 19:08 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - you should go back in time too, they had a democracy - Hitler was elected | Dec 08 19:08 |
DaemonFC | before they go foaming at the mouth with anti-US crap | Dec 08 19:08 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: So? | Dec 08 19:08 |
DaemonFC | The election was rigged | Dec 08 19:08 |
ender2070 | Bush did a lot of things Hitler did | Dec 08 19:08 |
DaemonFC | even if it wasn't rigged, look at how people were there at that time? | Dec 08 19:08 |
ender2070 | it looked like Bush might have used Hitler's blueprint | Dec 08 19:08 |
DaemonFC | beaten, broken, poor, living like illegal Mexicans, an entire extended family in one house | Dec 08 19:09 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: they refers to late 20s, early 30s | Dec 08 19:09 |
schestowitz | That's not Nazi though | Dec 08 19:09 |
DaemonFC | I might see why they voted for an extremist | Dec 08 19:09 |
schestowitz | THe Nazis were not elected then | Dec 08 19:09 |
DaemonFC | they coerced their way in | Dec 08 19:09 |
schestowitz | So you could make comparisons to 20s Italy/Germany maybe | Dec 08 19:09 |
schestowitz | Facing the depression also | Dec 08 19:09 |
DaemonFC | including physical coercion | Dec 08 19:09 |
DaemonFC | I don't see gas chambers | Dec 08 19:10 |
ender2070 | we're possibly going to face another depression | Dec 08 19:10 |
DaemonFC | where are the gas chambers? | Dec 08 19:10 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: US had gas chambers | Dec 08 19:10 |
DaemonFC | where is the United States implementing the genocide? | Dec 08 19:10 |
schestowitz | Until the 70s IIRC | Dec 08 19:10 |
schestowitz | For executions | Dec 08 19:10 |
ender2070 | you can still run a facist government without gas chambers | Dec 08 19:10 |
DaemonFC | where are we unfolding a eugenics program? | Dec 08 19:10 |
schestowitz | It was seen as unethical and stopped | Dec 08 19:10 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - you are unfolding a eugenics program | Dec 08 19:10 |
DaemonFC | I don't see a thing wrong with execution if they have murdered someone, raped someone, etc. | Dec 08 19:11 |
DaemonFC | I think it should be expanded quite a lot | Dec 08 19:11 |
DaemonFC | but not for genocidal reasons | Dec 08 19:11 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/gascham.html | Dec 08 19:11 |
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schestowitz | History lesson | Dec 08 19:11 |
DaemonFC | Europe has such a crime rate3 | Dec 08 19:11 |
DaemonFC | why do they lecture us? | Dec 08 19:11 |
DaemonFC | they let them go | Dec 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | But it's a wrong, wrong analogy | Dec 08 19:12 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - did you know, in BOTH world wars, before the US got involved it was selling weapons to BOTH sides? | Dec 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | I'm not comparing the executions of criminals to genocide | Dec 08 19:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: So you guys ban guns and people get stabbed isntead | Dec 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | In fact, the fact that they chose more 'exotic' methods of execution hardly makes much difference | Dec 08 19:12 |
DaemonFC | does that make you feel better? | Dec 08 19:12 |
schestowitz | It was Bush who ordered some executions in TX IIRC | Dec 08 19:13 |
ender2070 | two wrongs dont make a right | Dec 08 19:13 |
DaemonFC | why don't you ban knives so people can get beaten over the head with a bat? | Dec 08 19:13 |
DaemonFC | schestowitzThe governor does not order an execution | Dec 08 19:13 |
schestowitz | Not order | Dec 08 19:13 |
ender2070 | you dont murder someone for their crimes, you make them rot in prison the rest of their life, its more of a punishment | Dec 08 19:13 |
DaemonFC | The governor has the power to pardon or commute an existing sentence | Dec 08 19:13 |
schestowitz | ANd then there's Bush's #fan, Arnie | Dec 08 19:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.arnoldexposed.com/ | Dec 08 19:14 |
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ender2070 | arnold said he wanted to be a dictator | Dec 08 19:14 |
DaemonFC | I wouldn't do either, were I a governor, unless there was clear and compelling evidence that they were wrongly accused | Dec 08 19:14 |
schestowitz | ender2070: but he wasn't born in the US | Dec 08 19:14 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - often they dont find out till near the end of the persons term sometimes | Dec 08 19:14 |
DaemonFC | otherwise, I wouldn't stop a single execution | Dec 08 19:14 |
schestowitz | And according to some loonie Republicans, neither was Obama | Dec 08 19:15 |
schestowitz | They don't believe birth certificates | Dec 08 19:15 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: You mean the ones who repeatedly lied to and mocked the court? | Dec 08 19:15 |
ender2070 | those loonie republicans are often racist | Dec 08 19:15 |
DaemonFC | repeatedly turned in exhibits for the court well past deadlines? | Dec 08 19:15 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: Those are the people you're talking about when you're making Nazi comparisons | Dec 08 19:16 |
DaemonFC | they're not in the majority | Dec 08 19:16 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - not every person on death row is guilty, some just have really bad evidence against them | Dec 08 19:16 |
DaemonFC | there's a lot of people who are delusional, religiously and otherwise | Dec 08 19:17 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - some were accused and sentanced for murder without there even being proof a murder happened (Reiser) | Dec 08 19:17 |
DaemonFC | but not everyone who is, is a "Nazi" | Dec 08 19:17 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: How did he lead the cops to the body? | Dec 08 19:17 |
DaemonFC | How did he know all the details about how she was murdered? | Dec 08 19:17 |
DaemonFC | because he murdered her | Dec 08 19:18 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - he didnt, they found traces of her blood in his car | Dec 08 19:18 |
DaemonFC | fry the bastard and lets go to lunch | Dec 08 19:18 |
DaemonFC | :P | Dec 08 19:18 |
DaemonFC | based on the events in question, I probably would have voted to convict | Dec 08 19:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: in the link you gave ( http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B741Q20091208 ), it sounds painless | Dec 08 19:18 |
ender2070 | oh nvm | Dec 08 19:19 |
ender2070 | i didnt read about 2008 | Dec 08 19:19 |
DaemonFC | "He was convicted of strangling to death Tami Engstrom, 22, to whom he had offered a ride from a bar. Biros also raped, beat, and stabbed his victim 91 times before disemboweling her and scattering the body parts across two states." | Dec 08 19:19 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Sounds like a man deserving of a quick and painless death | Dec 08 19:20 |
DaemonFC | yep | Dec 08 19:20 |
DaemonFC | :P | Dec 08 19:20 |
schestowitz | ender2070: Reiser did do it | Dec 08 19:20 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 19:20 |
DaemonFC | Who the hell cares? | Dec 08 19:20 |
ender2070 | i just read that | Dec 08 19:20 |
ender2070 | i didnt keep up | Dec 08 19:20 |
DaemonFC | hand someone a ball bat and let them beat the guy to death | Dec 08 19:20 |
schestowitz | Many haven't | Dec 08 19:20 |
DaemonFC | I don't care | Dec 08 19:20 |
DaemonFC | sell me a ticket and pass the popcorn | Dec 08 19:20 |
ender2070 | poor reiser, probably an mk ultra victim | Dec 08 19:21 |
DaemonFC | people that depraved deserve whatever they get | Dec 08 19:21 |
DaemonFC | and you have a bunch of ultra-liberal pussies whining that he might feel a little pain after he raped that woman, stabbed her 91 times, and disemboweled the corpse | Dec 08 19:21 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - he should go to prison, where he will get raped himself and beaten for the rest of his life | Dec 08 19:22 |
ender2070 | "Thou shalt not kill" | Dec 08 19:22 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: I'd beat the shit out of that guy if I was another prisoner and found out what he had done | Dec 08 19:22 |
DaemonFC | to death | Dec 08 19:22 |
DaemonFC | and it would not be painless at all | Dec 08 19:22 |
ender2070 | exactly | Dec 08 19:22 |
ender2070 | why give him a painless death | Dec 08 19:22 |
ender2070 | make him suffer the rest of his life | Dec 08 19:23 |
ender2070 | 40 years of pain and torture vs death, death is the easy way out | Dec 08 19:23 |
DaemonFC | I think they should tell the other prisoners who all the child molesters are | Dec 08 19:23 |
DaemonFC | especially | Dec 08 19:23 |
DaemonFC | make sure they get some "special treatment" | Dec 08 19:23 |
schestowitz | ender2070: torture is unaceptable | Dec 08 19:23 |
schestowitz | Makes no-one happy | Dec 08 19:23 |
schestowitz | Nobody likes to even observe it, not even the victim | Dec 08 19:24 |
schestowitz | Do slavery | Dec 08 19:24 |
ender2070 | the inmates will be doing it | Dec 08 19:24 |
schestowitz | Have the buggers build railways or something | Dec 08 19:24 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I don't care how painful the guys death was, if anything I hope it was excruciating | Dec 08 19:24 |
DaemonFC | unbearable | Dec 08 19:24 |
DaemonFC | probably wasn't though | Dec 08 19:24 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 08 19:24 |
ender2070 | slavery is illegal though | Dec 08 19:24 |
schestowitz | Or have em work like workers in China 15 hours/day making shoes at gunpoint | Dec 08 19:24 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: It's kind of illegal | Dec 08 19:24 |
schestowitz | ender2070: slavery is not illegal | Dec 08 19:25 |
DaemonFC | they don't have to pay prisoners minimum wage | Dec 08 19:25 |
schestowitz | It took different forms | Dec 08 19:25 |
schestowitz | ANd sometimes taken overseas | Dec 08 19:25 |
ender2070 | slavery is quite illegal, especially involuntary | Dec 08 19:25 |
DaemonFC | they often work in exchange for more privileges and just enough to buy cigarettes | Dec 08 19:25 |
DaemonFC | a lot of the work programs are voluntary | Dec 08 19:25 |
ender2070 | but you could pay them and make them work | Dec 08 19:25 |
DaemonFC | but some are mandatory and unpaid of course | Dec 08 19:25 |
schestowitz | Like with torture and distant islands | Dec 08 19:26 |
DaemonFC | washing laundry for example | Dec 08 19:26 |
schestowitz | Recently it was found the the US had a torture chamber in east Europe too | Dec 08 19:26 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: I don't think it's wrong to work them like that, even if it's mandatory and unpaid | Dec 08 19:26 |
ender2070 | outside us soil is a different bag | Dec 08 19:26 |
schestowitz | Saves them fuel money in flying people across the Atlantic I guess | Dec 08 19:26 |
schestowitz | Unnecessary intervention | Dec 08 19:26 |
DaemonFC | it takes over $30,000 a year per inmate to be in prison | Dec 08 19:26 |
DaemonFC | why don't they have to give something back? | Dec 08 19:27 |
schestowitz | War on terrorism=war on dandruff | Dec 08 19:27 |
schestowitz | They deploy troops to fight a phenomenon, not an actual enemy | Dec 08 19:27 |
ender2070 | you cant force them to work for nothing unless they are wantonly violating the constitution | Dec 08 19:27 |
DaemonFC | washing their own damned laundry for free is the very least they should be doing | Dec 08 19:27 |
schestowitz | Rather than find out how to end the phenomenon (hint: less imperialsm) | Dec 08 19:27 |
DaemonFC | Why should taxpayers have to hire a full laundry staff when the prisoners can wash their own? | Dec 08 19:27 |
ender2070 | they shouldnt | Dec 08 19:28 |
ender2070 | the prisoners could wash their own laundry without it being considered slavery | Dec 08 19:28 |
schestowitz | SLavery is still here | Dec 08 19:28 |
schestowitz | And also forced slavery/labour | Dec 08 19:28 |
schestowitz | Based on conditions | Dec 08 19:28 |
ender2070 | those conditions are usually the loopholes needed to get away with it | Dec 08 19:29 |
schestowitz | You imposed conditions under which you do arduous work or starve | Dec 08 19:29 |
ender2070 | incentives can make something voluntary | Dec 08 19:29 |
schestowitz | Works for the top few | Dec 08 19:29 |
schestowitz | The system is not based this way | Dec 08 19:29 |
schestowitz | With extreme/predatory globacapitalism, it's OK for maybe 5% | Dec 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | Utter s** for the rest | Dec 08 19:30 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: Like breaking your back 40 hours a week where the incentive is to be able to sleep and eat that week? | Dec 08 19:30 |
ender2070 | theres also a different kind of slavery | Dec 08 19:30 |
ender2070 | wage slaves | Dec 08 19:30 |
DaemonFC | yeah, lots of people volunteer for that | Dec 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | Mind you, US population is under 5% of the world, for example | Dec 08 19:30 |
ender2070 | thats where you willingly become a slave to the system in exchange for big brother | Dec 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | [19:30] <DaemonFC> ender2070: Like breaking your back 40 hours a week where the incentive is to be able to sleep and eat that week? | Dec 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | +1 | Dec 08 19:30 |
schestowitz | bingo. | Dec 08 19:31 |
ender2070 | in jail they have to provide food | Dec 08 19:31 |
ender2070 | they have human rights still | Dec 08 19:31 |
schestowitz | Eat/sleep from $employer's POV = fueling | Dec 08 19:31 |
ender2070 | you could make them farm for it though | Dec 08 19:31 |
schestowitz | Like your mule taking a dump in between forced work sessions | Dec 08 19:31 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: 40 hours is unrealistic | Dec 08 19:32 |
schestowitz | Many have two jobs and work overtime/commute | Dec 08 19:32 |
schestowitz | So they are likely to work like 60 week | Dec 08 19:32 |
schestowitz | Even in Indina | Dec 08 19:32 |
ender2070 | they could setup a farm system for jails, where the inmates get to eat as much as they worked on | Dec 08 19:32 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd work 60-70 sometimes | Dec 08 19:32 |
schestowitz | IIRC, Steel industry is/was big | Dec 08 19:32 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: in China I hear it's about 100 | Dec 08 19:32 |
DaemonFC | not just behind a desk, but when I was out working on the warehouse floor and orders came in for the holidays and spring and summer we got a surge too | Dec 08 19:33 |
schestowitz | WIth limitd access to the bathroom, too | Dec 08 19:33 |
DaemonFC | 40 hours a week was a vacation after working several weeks of mandatory overtime | Dec 08 19:33 |
ender2070 | If I was in jail, and they refused to feed me because they gave me the option to not work - i'd contact my lawyer and human rights commission | Dec 08 19:33 |
schestowitz | I'd say being in the US prison is probably better than a worker in some part os China | Dec 08 19:33 |
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schestowitz | Some Chinese workers would LOOOOOOVE to retire to US prison | Dec 08 19:33 |
DaemonFC | hell, I'd sign up for it when I was hourly so I could get some more hours in at time and a half | Dec 08 19:33 |
ender2070 | US prison is funny compared to working in China | Dec 08 19:33 |
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schestowitz | Maybe for now | Dec 08 19:34 |
schestowitz | Causes the US had high capita | Dec 08 19:34 |
schestowitz | Capita | Dec 08 19:34 |
DaemonFC | when you go salary and you have to work 20 hours of unpaid overtime, it's a different story | Dec 08 19:34 |
schestowitz | Capital | Dec 08 19:34 |
ender2070 | the US won't be able to make its prisoners work with hazardous materials without protection | Dec 08 19:34 |
schestowitz | Not PER capita | Dec 08 19:34 |
ender2070 | unlike China | Dec 08 19:35 |
DaemonFC | The US has high prison population because we don't just let them all go like other countries do | Dec 08 19:35 |
schestowitz | And still widening -- not lessening -- the gap | Dec 08 19:35 |
DaemonFC | I'm convinced of that after seeing the way some other countries work | Dec 08 19:35 |
ender2070 | where they have children picking toxing materials, such as lithium and mercury out of junk yards of computer components | Dec 08 19:35 |
ender2070 | often without even having gloves | Dec 08 19:36 |
schestowitz | !google du pont gas | Dec 08 19:36 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - DuPont Energy & Utilities: Oil & Gas Extraction SubIndustry ... | http://www2.dupont.com/Oil_and_Gas_Extraction/en_US/ | Dec 08 19:36 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - DuPont Lighter Refills | DuPont Gas Refill | DuPont Lighter Butane | http://www.jackschwartz.com/s.118/dupont-gaz-gas-refills.aspx | Dec 08 19:36 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - ST Dupont Pocket Lighters Gas Refills and Accessories | http://www.bonitasmokeshop.com/st_dupont_pocket_lighters_gas_re.htm | Dec 08 19:36 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - ST Dupont Gas Simply Cigars Specialists in Cuban cigars, Cigar ... | http://www.simplycigars.co.uk/dupont-gas-p-1208.html | Dec 08 19:36 |
schestowitz | !google du pont disaster india | Dec 08 19:36 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - The Bhopal disaster and its aftermath: a review | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1142333/ | Dec 08 19:36 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - March 10, 2009 Charles O. Holliday, Jr., CEO E.I. du Pont De ... | http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/assets/binaries/dupont-chem-letter | Dec 08 19:36 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - Ewald André Dupont | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0243295/ | Dec 08 19:36 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - DuPont | http://jobsearch.naukri.com/job-listings-AP-Personal-Computing-Collobration-Regional-Infrastructure-Specialist-E-I-DuPont-India-Private-Limited-Gurgaon-5-to-10-years-191009900079-- | Dec 08 19:36 |
DaemonFC | I do like a cigar now and then, not the cheap ones though | Dec 08 19:36 |
schestowitz | Ego trip | Dec 08 19:36 |
DaemonFC | I think those cheapies are just what they pick up off the floor after they make the good stuff | Dec 08 19:37 |
schestowitz | Hey, YOU, you're not Churchill :-) | Dec 08 19:37 |
ender2070 | so many people are apathetic and dont demand their rights | Dec 08 19:37 |
DaemonFC | spray it down with blueberry flavoring | Dec 08 19:37 |
ender2070 | people are being dumbed down via mercury in vaccines, flouride in water, and many others | Dec 08 19:38 |
DaemonFC | I smoked for a while after I became broke, at first I was rolling them, then I found out you could get cigar tobacco cheaper than cigarette tobacco | Dec 08 19:38 |
DaemonFC | same stuff, they just tax it differently | Dec 08 19:38 |
ender2070 | in canada | Dec 08 19:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/08/coffee_washing_not_for_you/ | Dec 08 19:39 |
phIRCe-local | Title: 'We must all stop washing to save the planet' • The Register .::. Size~: 32.43 KB | Dec 08 19:39 |
DaemonFC | the stuff labeled for cigarettes is about 33% more expensive by weight | Dec 08 19:39 |
ender2070 | people go to native reserves and get untaxxed cigarette tabacco | Dec 08 19:39 |
schestowitz | I need to rethink lighting perhaps... too much power used here too | Dec 08 19:39 |
DaemonFC | same stuff as the "cigar" tobacco too | Dec 08 19:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/8/stream | Dec 08 19:40 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Democracy Now! | Listen/Watch Today's Show .::. Size~: 28.98 KB | Dec 08 19:40 |
DaemonFC | same cut even | Dec 08 19:40 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - i replaced all my 60w bulbs at my new place with 13w bulbs that are brighter | Dec 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | Hear the guy from the Maldives... we're killing them | Dec 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | Quote sharp for a 10th grader | Dec 08 19:40 |
DaemonFC | ender2070: Obama's new cigarette tax was what stopped me finally | Dec 08 19:40 |
schestowitz | I need to figure out how not to have the stereo on all the time | Dec 08 19:40 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - good, they should tax it | Dec 08 19:41 |
schestowitz | But that requires more consumption, which takes its toll on the env. too | Dec 08 19:41 |
DaemonFC | they cause I got used to the pre-made ones again and they shot up like another 70 cents per pack | Dec 08 19:41 |
DaemonFC | *that's | Dec 08 19:41 |
schestowitz | Funny how in Democracy Now she says, we in the US are insular, we don't get the information about you... | Dec 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | I reckon the Oil/Airline lobby gets a lot of air time over there to deny the issue | Dec 08 19:42 |
DaemonFC | the airlines are broke | Dec 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | Good. | Dec 08 19:42 |
DaemonFC | they don't maintain their planes right | Dec 08 19:42 |
schestowitz | I had a friend who worked for one | Dec 08 19:42 |
DaemonFC | they don't pay their pilots right | Dec 08 19:43 |
schestowitz | They are dropping like flies... the airlines, not the planes | Dec 08 19:43 |
DaemonFC | they've made customer safety suffer so they can keep giving themselves bonuses | Dec 08 19:43 |
schestowitz | Yes, that's a scary factor | Dec 08 19:43 |
schestowitz | Not renewals, replacement, quality control | Dec 08 19:43 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - thats cause if it crashes, they blame terrorists instead :) | Dec 08 19:43 |
schestowitz | It seems like plane crashes have become more common | Dec 08 19:43 |
schestowitz | France had a major incident... hardly reported on | Dec 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | The TERRO~1! | Dec 08 19:44 |
DaemonFC | the price for a seat has gone way up | Dec 08 19:44 |
ender2070 | I heard about the france one here in Canada | Dec 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | Don't fear the planes | Dec 08 19:44 |
DaemonFC | probably double what it was 10 years ago | Dec 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | Fear the guy next to you | Dec 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | Stay isolated | Dec 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | And then they show you a photo | Dec 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | "He looks just like YOU!" | Dec 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | "You can't trust anyone" | Dec 08 19:44 |
ender2070 | statistics say, that the person next to you is either a terrorist or has swine flu | Dec 08 19:44 |
schestowitz | "Stay isolated" | Dec 08 19:45 |
schestowitz | There was a report like this on BBC1 today | Dec 08 19:45 |
schestowitz | Some white dude being shown as a monster | Dec 08 19:45 |
schestowitz | When I flew to Canada in 2003 it cost me amazingly little | Dec 08 19:45 |
DaemonFC | of course, if there weren't white terrorists, they'd be "profiling" | Dec 08 19:46 |
schestowitz | Like over 200 pounds | Dec 08 19:46 |
schestowitz | Return | Dec 08 19:46 |
ender2070 | oh yeah speaking of bat shit insane | Dec 08 19:46 |
ender2070 | the royal family | Dec 08 19:47 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/08/china_execution/ | Dec 08 19:47 |
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ender2070 | Queen Elizebeth the 1st, hired this guy named John Dee as her personal advisor. He was a magician, astrologist, and more. He used crystallomancy to try to talk to angels and figure out the original language. He also spent all his money trying to use achlemy to make gold. | Dec 08 19:48 |
schestowitz | astrologist? | Dec 08 19:50 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 19:50 |
schestowitz | URL? | Dec 08 19:50 |
ender2070 | mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, occultist, navigator, imperialist | Dec 08 19:50 |
ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee | Dec 08 19:50 |
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schestowitz | mathematician? | Dec 08 19:50 |
schestowitz | In the same sentence? | Dec 08 19:51 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 19:51 |
ender2070 | "Dee immersed himself in the worlds of magic, astrology, and Hermetic philosophy." | Dec 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | imperialist is not a good thing, either | Dec 08 19:51 |
_goblin | Just been watching more of that "Everything is OK"........ | Dec 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | It's a nice work for conqueror | Dec 08 19:51 |
ender2070 | hes first on record for coining the term "British Empire" | Dec 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | *word | Dec 08 19:51 |
schestowitz | _goblin: is everything OK? | Dec 08 19:52 |
_goblin | no | Dec 08 19:52 |
_goblin | certainly not! | Dec 08 19:52 |
schestowitz | Where? | Dec 08 19:52 |
_goblin | I can feel an article coming on.... | Dec 08 19:52 |
schestowitz | Goblin lair or in general;? | Dec 08 19:52 |
_goblin | general... | Dec 08 19:52 |
schestowitz | True. | Dec 08 19:52 |
_goblin | and that damn group.... | Dec 08 19:52 |
schestowitz | Well, it least the issue is not localised for you | Dec 08 19:52 |
_goblin | .... | Dec 08 19:52 |
schestowitz | Newsgroup? | Dec 08 19:52 |
_goblin | no.... | Dec 08 19:53 |
ender2070 | Dee maintained that the angels laboriously dictated several books to him this way, some in a special angelic or Enochian language. | Dec 08 19:53 |
_goblin | its: http://www.youtube.com/user/cveitch | Dec 08 19:53 |
schestowitz | ender2070: ME TOO!! | Dec 08 19:53 |
schestowitz | _goblin: he has gone mad | Dec 08 19:53 |
schestowitz | The whole mad side | Dec 08 19:53 |
schestowitz | I stopped looking at it some weeks ago when he made crazy videos | Dec 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | The other guy is the good one | Dec 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | Charlie | Dec 08 19:54 |
_goblin | this guy is trying to make out our society is like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L86AAGZ9BBg | Dec 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | He's the core of the whole thing | Dec 08 19:54 |
Diablo-D3 | [02:48:43] <ender2070> Dee maintained that the angels laboriously dictated several books to him this way, some in a special angelic or Enochian language. | Dec 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | Charlie is the mad one | Dec 08 19:54 |
Diablo-D3 | seriously? | Dec 08 19:54 |
ender2070 | isnt cveitch also known as John Connor | Dec 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | The other one started it | Dec 08 19:54 |
_goblin | he thinks he knows the law....he thinks he can bend it around it his own pov.... | Dec 08 19:54 |
schestowitz | What's the other one called? | Dec 08 19:55 |
schestowitz | I can't recall. | Dec 08 19:55 |
schestowitz | _goblin: some reported cveich to the police | Dec 08 19:55 |
schestowitz | Seems right | Dec 08 19:55 |
schestowitz | THe other guy went away AFAICT | Dec 08 19:56 |
schestowitz | Can't blame him | Dec 08 19:56 |
_goblin | he is against CCTV...yet he seems to have no problem broadcasting a unwitting person to millions on Youtube....how dare he talk about intrusion.... | Dec 08 19:56 |
schestowitz | Oh, Danny... | Dec 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | That's the name is the nicer guy | Dec 08 19:57 |
ender2070 | is Mark Dice involved? | Dec 08 19:57 |
_goblin | Im sure most people would rather be watched on CCTV by a few security gaurds rather than be filmed and put on youtube to prove a point. | Dec 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | He drifted away. | Dec 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | Who's he? | Dec 08 19:57 |
schestowitz | ender2070: Who's he? | Dec 08 19:57 |
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sebsebseb | hi | Dec 08 19:57 |
ender2070 | Charlie looks like him | Dec 08 19:58 |
ender2070 | some guy who used to go around spreading anti-nwo info as "John Connor" | Dec 08 19:58 |
_goblin | Does anyone actually think this stuff is true? Does anyone really believe we live in a "They Live" type society? | Dec 08 19:58 |
schestowitz | ANyway, for all I can tell caused I watched some of it, the whole thing started as an attempt to calm people down | Dec 08 19:58 |
schestowitz | THus the name, "everything is OK" | Dec 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | Like the atheistic way of telling people "stop fearing going to Hell" | Dec 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | _goblin: well, there is surveillance and it's exanding | Dec 08 19:59 |
schestowitz | Not just here BTW | Dec 08 19:59 |
_goblin | and thats a problem because? | Dec 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | But the UK is densely populated, so CCTV makes more economic sense | Dec 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | In Australia they suppress protests now | Dec 08 20:00 |
_goblin | Do these clowns even know what RIPR policy is? | Dec 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | By spaying on people | Dec 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | In Canada that stalk and silence people who speak against the olympic | Dec 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | They attack people's freedom of speech | Dec 08 20:00 |
_goblin | if I may I will give you a few facts on survellance....in the UK... | Dec 08 20:00 |
ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJtS9CuyuaU | Dec 08 20:00 |
schestowitz | Even people who just talk, not protest | Dec 08 20:01 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - its only supposed to cover businesses (olympics) | Dec 08 20:01 |
_goblin | any member of public can pick up a camera and film (either overtly or covertly) without the permission of the "target" | Dec 08 20:01 |
schestowitz | They close down the society, and that IMHO, is just as bad as not practicing the censorship _goblin advocated | Dec 08 20:01 |
schestowitz | It annuls opposition | Dec 08 20:01 |
schestowitz | Like a one-party state | Dec 08 20:01 |
_goblin | whereas the police have to comply with RIPR... | Dec 08 20:01 |
_goblin | a SupInt's authority to film covertly.... | Dec 08 20:02 |
_goblin | and its not simply a form to fill out. | Dec 08 20:02 |
_goblin | the problem is not the big brother state IMO. | Dec 08 20:02 |
schestowitz | ender2070: haha! I'll watch this video later | Dec 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | "So... that's like not good, eh?" | Dec 08 20:03 |
ender2070 | a petition to increase the inflation by 100% | Dec 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | I had other tenants in nearby apartments asking me to sign a petition | Dec 08 20:03 |
_goblin | its that the "power" to film whatever and whenever is actually given to the wrong people....the same "power" that allows a member of public to film a school, or your house... | Dec 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | Petitions are dangerous | Dec 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | SOme are AstroTurf | Dec 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | Nowadays you have fake sites and petitions set up by companies | Dec 08 20:03 |
schestowitz | And scum like Jonathan Zuck (ACT) | Dec 08 20:04 |
schestowitz | They create fake causes for corporations | Dec 08 20:04 |
_goblin | I set up a petition once (as a joke of sorts) | Dec 08 20:04 |
schestowitz | Then they find fools to help them shill thinking that they help spread good | Dec 08 20:04 |
_goblin | it was to let Jellyfish fall under the Animal Welfare Act. | Dec 08 20:04 |
_goblin | currently there is no offence of cruelty to jellyfish. | Dec 08 20:04 |
schestowitz | Does it feel great pain? | Dec 08 20:05 |
schestowitz | And what about sophisticated plants? | Dec 08 20:05 |
_goblin | true | Dec 08 20:05 |
schestowitz | But it's a joke, I know... | Dec 08 20:05 |
schestowitz | As a kid I would poke them with a stick | Dec 08 20:05 |
_goblin | any creature that doesn't have a backbone doesnt fall under the Animal Welfare act.... | Dec 08 20:05 |
schestowitz | But the dead ones | Dec 08 20:05 |
DaemonFC | I still want to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide | Dec 08 20:05 |
DaemonFC | sounds like some really nasty shit :) | Dec 08 20:06 |
_goblin | so I suppose in the UK its ok to be cruel to a Wintroll, since they don't have backbones either. | Dec 08 20:06 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 08 20:06 |
schestowitz | They have handbones | Dec 08 20:06 |
schestowitz | They stand on their hands | Dec 08 20:06 |
schestowitz | The body just hangs on em | Dec 08 20:06 |
_goblin | sorry Roy.....whilst the Animal Welfare Act part is true....I was just itching to set up that one liner.... | Dec 08 20:07 |
_goblin | ive got no real interest in Jellyfish. | Dec 08 20:07 |
_goblin | or cruelty to Wintrolls. | Dec 08 20:07 |
schestowitz | Are they edible and to whom? | Dec 08 20:07 |
schestowitz | The jellyfish | Dec 08 20:07 |
schestowitz | Not the Wintrolls :-) | Dec 08 20:07 |
_goblin | yep....there was a show on that... | Dec 08 20:07 |
schestowitz | Do whales eat any? | Dec 08 20:08 |
schestowitz | They're mammals after all | Dec 08 20:08 |
_goblin | apparently Wintrolls are delicious once they've been stuffed full of enough Microsoft corporate lunches.... | Dec 08 20:08 |
_goblin | Shill fed...you can't beat it. | Dec 08 20:08 |
_goblin | and Im sure theres a lurker who will now claim I am a cannibal | Dec 08 20:09 |
_goblin | so for the lurkers - this is a JOKE | Dec 08 20:09 |
_goblin | got to be careful to make everything clear here since there are those who will try anything to distort.... | Dec 08 20:10 |
ender2070 | I doubt they will | Dec 08 20:10 |
_goblin | they picked up on less than that..... | Dec 08 20:11 |
ender2070 | one of them actually made serious cannibal statements | Dec 08 20:11 |
_goblin | oh dear.... | Dec 08 20:11 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/16180174 | Dec 08 20:11 |
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_goblin | and that sells Microsoft products? | Dec 08 20:11 |
ender2070 | no | Dec 08 20:12 |
ender2070 | not directly anyways | Dec 08 20:12 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft eats its own young | Dec 08 20:12 |
ender2070 | they promote team mono | Dec 08 20:12 |
_goblin | lol.. | Dec 08 20:12 |
schestowitz | Netscape, DR... | Dec 08 20:12 |
schestowitz | Microsoft loves WIndows software... | Dec 08 20:12 |
_goblin | You've said the M word now.... | Dec 08 20:12 |
ender2070 | i'd like to tell you who | Dec 08 20:12 |
schestowitz | When it becomes successful, it then copies and devours | Dec 08 20:13 |
ender2070 | lets just say they are quite old and senile | Dec 08 20:13 |
schestowitz | "[Microsoft's business strategy is] copy the product that others innovate, put them into Windows so they can't be unplugged, and then give it away for free." --Oracle Corp Chairman Larry Ellison | Dec 08 20:13 |
schestowitz | "I don’t understand how IE is going to win. The current path is simply to copy everything that Netscape does packaging and product wise. --Jim Allchin, President of Platforms & Services Division at Microsoft | Dec 08 20:14 |
schestowitz | "Our friends up north [Microsoft] spend over five billion dollars on research and development and all they seem to do is copy Google and Apple." -Steve Jobs, 2006 | Dec 08 20:14 |
schestowitz | Copysoft is a good name for them | Dec 08 20:14 |
schestowitz | Not Micro-soft | Dec 08 20:15 |
schestowitz | "Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products." --Arno Edelmann, Microsoft's European business security product manager | Dec 08 20:15 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/senators-nudge-eu-sun | Dec 08 20:16 |
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schestowitz | Any update on that? | Dec 08 20:16 |
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ender2070 | schestowitz - did u read about John Dee | Dec 08 20:19 |
schestowitz | Why is IDG promoting .NET rubbish in its 'Linux' site? http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/120709-get-photoshop-caliber-image-editing-from.html | Dec 08 20:20 |
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schestowitz | ender2070: he doesn't run the show | Dec 08 20:21 |
ender2070 | if you do enough research into him, he was also a secret agent | Dec 08 20:21 |
ender2070 | the prototype of james bond | Dec 08 20:21 |
ender2070 | his signature was 007 | Dec 08 20:22 |
schestowitz | What specifically about him? | Dec 08 20:22 |
schestowitz | "Dee was married twice and had eight children." | Dec 08 20:23 |
ender2070 | well he seems crazy and he worked for the Queen of England | Dec 08 20:23 |
schestowitz | Hold cr* | Dec 08 20:23 |
schestowitz | That's almost as many as the Jacksons (9) | Dec 08 20:23 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 08 20:24 |
schestowitz | ender2070: but these were ancient times | Dec 08 20:24 |
schestowitz | It doesn't mean much | Dec 08 20:24 |
ender2070 | all the stuff is in the british history museum | Dec 08 20:24 |
ender2070 | his crystal and stuff | Dec 08 20:24 |
schestowitz | Some religious people in Kent saw a collision on the moon and recorded it before they knew what the moon was | Dec 08 20:24 |
ender2070 | the creator of mormonism used magical stones, similar to crystallomancy to talk to angels too | Dec 08 20:25 |
ender2070 | he learned that jesus had been to america | Dec 08 20:25 |
ender2070 | etc | Dec 08 20:25 |
schestowitz | Novell has many Mormons | Dec 08 20:25 |
schestowitz | But I still don't see the relevance | Dec 08 20:26 |
schestowitz | The Royal Family won't entertain people like that now.... people who are mostly scamming people for money using mumbo-jumbo | Dec 08 20:26 |
ender2070 | the relevance is that even the royal family at one point beleived in crazy theories | Dec 08 20:26 |
schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/12/google-promises-to-open-etherpad-source-code.ars | Dec 08 20:27 |
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schestowitz | ender2070: who didn't? | Dec 08 20:27 |
schestowitz | It's a mindset, not a choice | Dec 08 20:27 |
ender2070 | scientificly you cant prove or disprove it | Dec 08 20:27 |
schestowitz | That's the brilliance of it | Dec 08 20:27 |
ender2070 | no measuring device exists for paranormal stuff like talking to angels via crystals | Dec 08 20:27 |
schestowitz | Straw men | Dec 08 20:27 |
schestowitz | I love my spaghetti monster | Dec 08 20:28 |
ender2070 | psychologists say people are talking to their subconcious, and they've proved this | Dec 08 20:28 |
schestowitz | It's flying in orbit 'round the Earth | Dec 08 20:28 |
schestowitz | Subconscious... | Dec 08 20:29 |
schestowitz | That's a weird notion in its own right | Dec 08 20:29 |
schestowitz | It implies invisible things like "soul".... | Dec 08 20:29 |
ender2070 | but, people suggest subconscious minds are linked, or have access to something called an "information field" which scientists and theorists suggests contain universal knowledge such as instinct | Dec 08 20:29 |
schestowitz | No, instincts are in the inner brain | Dec 08 20:30 |
schestowitz | We got that from fish and reptils | Dec 08 20:30 |
schestowitz | Thus the comparison to behaviour linking us to apes and stuff | Dec 08 20:30 |
ender2070 | if you want to dehumanize people you can think like that | Dec 08 20:30 |
ender2070 | we're not objects | Dec 08 20:30 |
schestowitz | http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-5829269.html | Dec 08 20:31 |
schestowitz | "When Emory University primatologist Frans de Waal read a news story that said Microsoft's chief executive, Steve Ballmer, had hurled a chair across the room on hearing an employee was going to work for rival Google, the scientist immediately made a connection with his own research: "When I see such behavior, I think of a chimpanzee." " | Dec 08 20:31 |
schestowitz | Freud did another division | Dec 08 20:31 |
schestowitz | IIRC he stuidied brain too | Dec 08 20:31 |
_goblin | I think people read too much into the human condition, we are not important, we are the result of a series of events which brought us to where we are today. In 10 million years time things will be different...we may be about, we may not, its only human arrogance that believes the universe cannot exist without us. (IMO) | Dec 08 20:32 |
schestowitz | Not just spychology where he revolutionised thinking | Dec 08 20:32 |
schestowitz | Notions like id | Dec 08 20:32 |
ender2070 | Freud brought up the idea known as the subconscious | Dec 08 20:32 |
schestowitz | Compartmentalised model | Dec 08 20:32 |
schestowitz | _goblin: yes, of course. But it's heresy to say so in some circles | Dec 08 20:32 |
_goblin | I can imagine. | Dec 08 20:32 |
schestowitz | "We're the children of God" *rolls eyes | Dec 08 20:32 |
_goblin | I suppose the God of our own creation.... | Dec 08 20:33 |
schestowitz | "Crreated in his own image... or he in ours!" | Dec 08 20:33 |
_goblin | (as in the story of God) | Dec 08 20:33 |
ender2070 | we're more likely the genetically engineered children of an advanced alien species, than a diety God | Dec 08 20:33 |
schestowitz | ender2070: animal self | Dec 08 20:33 |
schestowitz | Feelings that erpt.. | Dec 08 20:33 |
_goblin | but then if God is real (as the bible interprets "him") is he not an alien anyway? | Dec 08 20:34 |
schestowitz | Confirmed shortly afterwards in WW1 | Dec 08 20:34 |
schestowitz | It turns out that Abe Lincoln too was a little Bush in ays.. | Dec 08 20:34 |
ender2070 | its possible that we have animal instincts from the form we were in pre-genetic engineering | Dec 08 20:34 |
ender2070 | not that im 100% on any of this or believe it at all | Dec 08 20:34 |
_goblin | as far as my "studies" of Christianity go, God is certainly not human...and if he's not human, was not born on this planet then I'd suggest God (if he exists) is an alien. | Dec 08 20:35 |
schestowitz | Created the civil wars in a way, eliminated basic law, imprisoned like 20k dissenters | Dec 08 20:35 |
ender2070 | I keep an open mind in everything | Dec 08 20:35 |
ender2070 | well in genesis | Dec 08 20:35 |
ender2070 | it sounds like god is talking to people | Dec 08 20:35 |
schestowitz | _goblin: why need he have gender? | Dec 08 20:35 |
ender2070 | "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" | Dec 08 20:35 |
_goblin | he has to....God was MAN made. | Dec 08 20:35 |
schestowitz | The assumption is not one of succession | Dec 08 20:35 |
ender2070 | who is us? and our? | Dec 08 20:35 |
schestowitz | So unless we're "The children of God", then he needn't reproduce | Dec 08 20:35 |
ender2070 | theres a lot of people who think God in the bible is an alien entity | Dec 08 20:36 |
schestowitz | _goblin: there is no one God | Dec 08 20:36 |
schestowitz | There are many | Dec 08 20:36 |
ender2070 | im not 100% if I believe that but I am still persuing research into this | Dec 08 20:36 |
schestowitz | Each created in the image of its creator | Dec 08 20:36 |
schestowitz | Zeus.. | Dec 08 20:36 |
_goblin | sorry just a quick offtopic question .....what year do XP security updates come to an end? | Dec 08 20:36 |
schestowitz | Or some who believe in a set of Gods | Dec 08 20:37 |
ender2070 | dec 21 2012 | Dec 08 20:37 |
schestowitz | They are all self-contradictory | Dec 08 20:37 |
schestowitz | So can all be true? | Dec 08 20:37 |
ender2070 | rofl | Dec 08 20:37 |
_goblin | ender2070: Seriously? | Dec 08 20:37 |
schestowitz | And at the same time? | Dec 08 20:37 |
ender2070 | im kidding | Dec 08 20:37 |
schestowitz | More interesting, the contradictory beliefs depends on geographical location | Dec 08 20:37 |
schestowitz | Might makes you suspicious, aye? :-) | Dec 08 20:37 |
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schestowitz | *depend / *interestingly | Dec 08 20:38 |
_goblin | I was just about to draw inference with the Myan calender....God refuses to upgrade XP to Vista 7 so the world ends in 2012 when theres no more security updates...it would certainly explain "Broken Britain" if God is running XP. | Dec 08 20:38 |
ender2070 | there was one scholar who analyzed and examined a bunch of old ancient religions and modern ones and found they are all pretty close to identical | Dec 08 20:38 |
ender2070 | a lot of nameshifting of gods but the stories were the same | Dec 08 20:38 |
schestowitz | _goblin: XP is supported until -2007- -2008- -2009- -2010- -2012- whenever this bl00dy LUNIX f* dies dies dies | Dec 08 20:39 |
schestowitz | Microsoft just uses XP as a tool to make more money | Dec 08 20:39 |
schestowitz | It makes economic sense to block competition w/ it | Dec 08 20:39 |
ender2070 | genesis comes from the religion of the Sumerian people, the first known civilization | Dec 08 20:39 |
schestowitz | BTW, most Gods have already faded | Dec 08 20:39 |
schestowitz | Ones that had followers swearing they existed no longer do | Dec 08 20:39 |
schestowitz | So there's always some new model and storey | Dec 08 20:39 |
schestowitz | As the older ones fall by the wayside | Dec 08 20:40 |
_goblin | btw 2012....is a rubbish film.... | Dec 08 20:40 |
schestowitz | Based on lies | Dec 08 20:40 |
_goblin | unless you like a psuedo biblical message...... | Dec 08 20:40 |
ender2070 | I believe in a creation type of force but I do not believe in any sort of religion or that this God is some guy or human at all. | Dec 08 20:40 |
schestowitz | They spread lies on the Net to hype it up | Dec 08 20:40 |
_goblin | a little like "The Knowing" | Dec 08 20:40 |
schestowitz | Junk food films | Dec 08 20:40 |
schestowitz | Igniting fantasy | Dec 08 20:41 |
_goblin | yep | Dec 08 20:41 |
schestowitz | SOme people actually have weird desire for apocalypse | Dec 08 20:41 |
schestowitz | I think DaemonFC is among them | Dec 08 20:41 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 08 20:41 |
schestowitz | Here's what scares me | Dec 08 20:41 |
schestowitz | Those who believe in afterlife are more likely to be apocaliptic | Dec 08 20:41 |
_goblin | 2012 - The film that tries to suggest a global cataclismic event is all over in 17 days... | Dec 08 20:42 |
schestowitz | And suicidal too... depending on the religion's rules | Dec 08 20:42 |
schestowitz | Some used religion to make people scared of homocide and suicide | Dec 08 20:42 |
ender2070 | religion in my mind is just a primitive form of government | Dec 08 20:42 |
schestowitz | But this whole notion of life after death leaves people apathetic about the environment | Dec 08 20:42 |
_goblin | So Roy, whats your take on the climate change conspiracy? | Dec 08 20:42 |
schestowitz | As if, "God willing, it'll be all right" | Dec 08 20:42 |
schestowitz | _goblin: people conspire against the obvious | Dec 08 20:43 |
ender2070 | I think climate change is being used as a weapon to control people, weather it is true or not | Dec 08 20:43 |
schestowitz | Lots of bucks in burning up stuff | Dec 08 20:43 |
_goblin | I personally think it is man made, I think it is effecting our planet.....and theres not a damn thing anyone can do to stop it... | Dec 08 20:43 |
schestowitz | ender2070: population size needs to be controlled anyhow | Dec 08 20:43 |
ender2070 | taxing babies wont help | Dec 08 20:43 |
schestowitz | In any species for that matter | Dec 08 20:43 |
ender2070 | im against population control | Dec 08 20:44 |
schestowitz | I had a chat about it in the afternoon with one who is a professional in the field... someone from the gym | Dec 08 20:44 |
_goblin | ender2070: say that after having three kids..... | Dec 08 20:44 |
schestowitz | Basically, population control is inevitable, the question is, how/ | Dec 08 20:44 |
ender2070 | a limit on having kids, perhaps | Dec 08 20:44 |
ender2070 | but i dont want some government agency telling me im not allowed to have children, or that my children arent allowed to have kids because of my political views | Dec 08 20:44 |
schestowitz | So who gets to spread DNA? | Dec 08 20:45 |
_goblin | ender2070: I joke of course....but just because I can pay for my own children, does it mean I have to pay for others... | Dec 08 20:45 |
schestowitz | People's body and brain are designed for one goal: spread DNA | Dec 08 20:45 |
schestowitz | The biologists' point of view (coarse) is that the body is a mechanism for the DNA to replicate self | Dec 08 20:45 |
DaemonFC | _goblin: The government says you have to pay for crackheads on welfare having kids | Dec 08 20:45 |
ender2070 | there is not a single person I can trust on this planet to make such a decision for someone else | Dec 08 20:45 |
_goblin | I am against population control, however I think there should be better education in respect of parenting... | Dec 08 20:45 |
schestowitz | _goblin: that's the euphemism, too | Dec 08 20:46 |
_goblin | and less "incentive" to produce children merely for a benefit of some sort. | Dec 08 20:46 |
schestowitz | "Family planning"=population control | Dec 08 20:46 |
ender2070 | I would also support education | Dec 08 20:46 |
schestowitz | GM crops="green revolution" | Dec 08 20:46 |
ender2070 | stop paying mothers a bonus for having kids | Dec 08 20:46 |
schestowitz | It's done mostly by the owners of the planet | Dec 08 20:46 |
schestowitz | Not presidents, the people who pull their strings | Dec 08 20:46 |
ender2070 | if crackheads are on welfare with kids, those kids need to be in better care via adoption | Dec 08 20:47 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: the problem is different | Dec 08 20:47 |
_goblin | I think you have to help those that are about now, but in a world of such suffering of children, I think better education is needed so we can tackle the problem we have now instead of adding to it. | Dec 08 20:47 |
schestowitz | The law was designed to help and address a need | Dec 08 20:47 |
schestowitz | Once put into the law it got exploited | Dec 08 20:47 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: They still all the people that need help to make way for wastoids, illegal aliens, and career welfare moms | Dec 08 20:47 |
_goblin | I sponsor a child in Uganda with Worldvision....recieved a christmas card from her.... | Dec 08 20:48 |
ender2070 | you dont punish the planet for those few bad eggs | Dec 08 20:48 |
DaemonFC | *stiff | Dec 08 20:48 |
schestowitz | To use an analogy, you can make someone adopt some immunity, but then any change in the disease capitalises on the expectation that it will be uniform | Dec 08 20:48 |
ender2070 | my reproduction shouldnt be restricted because fat rednecks cant stop having sex with their sisters and having 20 inbred retards | Dec 08 20:48 |
DaemonFC | _goblin: One of those fake childrens charities | Dec 08 20:48 |
schestowitz | Or like biased fitting for patterns... like self-fulfilling prophecies | Dec 08 20:48 |
DaemonFC | where 80 cents of every dollar is embezzled | Dec 08 20:48 |
_goblin | its not a fake charity | Dec 08 20:48 |
schestowitz | Thinking: let's help poor mothers with children | Dec 08 20:48 |
_goblin | and I know exactly where every penny goes... | Dec 08 20:48 |
schestowitz | Outcome: more poor mothers have children to exploit the new laws | Dec 08 20:49 |
_goblin | £50 a month..... | Dec 08 20:49 |
DaemonFC | _goblin: The pastor's Lexus no doubt | Dec 08 20:49 |
_goblin | £10 for admin and wages. | Dec 08 20:49 |
schestowitz | So they exacerbate the new law by making more of the same thing the law was designed to resolve | Dec 08 20:49 |
_goblin | the rest is split up into funding the child currently and creating a saving account. | Dec 08 20:49 |
DaemonFC | I don't donate to religious affiliated charities | Dec 08 20:49 |
DaemonFC | they tend to be scams or a front group looking for exploitable converts | Dec 08 20:50 |
_goblin | DaemonFC: This is a large UK charity, it is registered and inspected... | Dec 08 20:50 |
ender2070 | dont know charities | Dec 08 20:50 |
DaemonFC | I tend to toss money in World Wildlife Fund collection drives | Dec 08 20:50 |
ender2070 | dont knock charities | Dec 08 20:50 |
DaemonFC | or the local humane shelter | Dec 08 20:50 |
_goblin | DaemonFC: Won't give the WWF a penny! | Dec 08 20:51 |
schestowitz | World Wrrrrrrrrestlign Federation! | Dec 08 20:51 |
schestowitz | :-p | Dec 08 20:51 |
_goblin | DaemonFC: my favorite show had to change its name because of them.... | Dec 08 20:51 |
ender2070 | screw the WWF | Dec 08 20:51 |
schestowitz | _goblin: LOL | Dec 08 20:51 |
_goblin | which one? | Dec 08 20:51 |
schestowitz | WCW? | Dec 08 20:51 |
ender2070 | they messed with WWE | Dec 08 20:51 |
_goblin | WWE | Dec 08 20:51 |
ender2070 | tho | Dec 08 20:51 |
ender2070 | i loved WCW more | Dec 08 20:51 |
schestowitz | Oh, that's why.... | Dec 08 20:51 |
DaemonFC | the fake wrestling for the entertainment of yokels one | Dec 08 20:52 |
_goblin | oh | Dec 08 20:52 |
DaemonFC | the runner up to NASCAR | Dec 08 20:52 |
schestowitz | I watched WCW when WWF stopped airing | Dec 08 20:52 |
_goblin | oi | Dec 08 20:52 |
_goblin | DaemonFC: "I'll lay the smack down on your candy ass!" | Dec 08 20:52 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 08 20:52 |
ender2070 | all the good wrestlers moved to TNA | Dec 08 20:52 |
_goblin | DaemonFC: thats The Rock by the way, not Goblin. | Dec 08 20:52 |
ender2070 | hulk hogan :D | Dec 08 20:52 |
_goblin | ender2070: I watch that too...and ROH and IWA.... | Dec 08 20:52 |
ender2070 | i used to watch it mainly cause NWO went around ruining peoples shit | Dec 08 20:53 |
schestowitz | Hogan was old when I was watching it... veteran loonie | Dec 08 20:53 |
schestowitz | World Wrestling Freak | Dec 08 20:53 |
_goblin | ender2070: Degeneration X did it so much better than NWO | Dec 08 20:53 |
ender2070 | they didnt have Kevin Nash | Dec 08 20:54 |
_goblin | WWE did... | Dec 08 20:54 |
ender2070 | after they purchased WCW | Dec 08 20:54 |
_goblin | he was called....Diesel | Dec 08 20:54 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 20:54 |
_goblin | and it was before the purchase of WCW | Dec 08 20:54 |
schestowitz | ender2070: Guest Blog By Carey Mercer: How The Vancouver Olympics Is Fucking Over Your Favourite Artists, And Why You Should Care | Dec 08 20:54 |
ender2070 | but they all moved to WCW with hogan | Dec 08 20:54 |
schestowitz | http://stereogum.com/archives/op-ed/guest_blog_by_carey_mercer_how_the_vancouver_olympics_103971.html | Dec 08 20:54 |
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_goblin | Stone Cold won the ratings war...although the Hart/McMahon real conflict did it no harm either. | Dec 08 20:55 |
_goblin | WCW became a tribute to hogan in the end. | Dec 08 20:55 |
_goblin | IMO thats why it failed. | Dec 08 20:56 |
ender2070 | it didnt fail | Dec 08 20:56 |
_goblin | well it certainly couldnt compete with Titan Sports | Dec 08 20:56 |
_goblin | ratings fell | Dec 08 20:56 |
_goblin | and so did sponsorship. | Dec 08 20:56 |
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ender2070 | i dunno | Dec 08 20:56 |
ender2070 | undertaker and his blood baths was kind of retarded | Dec 08 20:56 |
_goblin | and then the ultimate low, when they released WWE results on a WCW broadcast just to stop people switching over. | Dec 08 20:57 |
ender2070 | but | Dec 08 20:57 |
ender2070 | Mankind vs Undertaker = legendary | Dec 08 20:57 |
_goblin | HIAC? | Dec 08 20:57 |
_goblin | Sorry - Hell in a cell? | Dec 08 20:57 |
ender2070 | yeah | Dec 08 20:57 |
_goblin | mmm | Dec 08 20:57 |
_goblin | it was ok... | Dec 08 20:57 |
ender2070 | tombstoned through the cage | Dec 08 20:57 |
ender2070 | onto tacks | Dec 08 20:57 |
_goblin | I take it you never saw Mick Foley in Japan in the IWA? | Dec 08 20:57 |
ender2070 | it was real too, he even had a tooth in his nose | Dec 08 20:57 |
ender2070 | nah | Dec 08 20:58 |
_goblin | explosive barbed wire set him alight. | Dec 08 20:58 |
_goblin | or when Vader ripped the bottom of his ear off.... | Dec 08 20:58 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091206/1142187219.shtml | Dec 08 20:59 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/07/senate-dems-may-open-up-m_n_382728.html | Dec 08 20:59 |
schestowitz | Hey, wallc | Dec 08 20:59 |
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DaemonFC | Democrats strain Medicare even further past the breaking point to buy more support from old people | Dec 08 20:59 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: wallc was unhappy with your position on AARP | Dec 08 21:00 |
DaemonFC | AARP is just a lobbying front for big insurance groups | Dec 08 21:01 |
schestowitz | http://pblog.bna.com/techlaw/2009/12/ecpa-protections-dont-apply-outside-united-states.html | Dec 08 21:01 |
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DaemonFC | they want to bilk the government to funnel more money to health care cartels | Dec 08 21:01 |
DaemonFC | the side effect is insurance for old people which in turn vote for whoever AARP says to | Dec 08 21:01 |
DaemonFC | everybody wins except the <50 crowd who get robbed and have decades to wait for benefits that won't be there | Dec 08 21:02 |
DaemonFC | Medicare is unsustainable thanks largely to AARP lobbying | Dec 08 21:02 |
DaemonFC | of course AARP wants more people on Medicare, they SELL Medicare "Advantage" plans! | Dec 08 21:03 |
DaemonFC | the more people that get duped into signing up for those plans, the more of a killing AARP makes | Dec 08 21:04 |
DaemonFC | What do you get with AARP? Same thing you got with Original Medicare only you pay $50 overhead and are limited to what doctors you can see | Dec 08 21:04 |
DaemonFC | sounds swell, doesn't it schestowitz? | Dec 08 21:04 |
DaemonFC | those "Advantage" plans are pretty much all rotten, they have all the deficiencies of the government Medicare plan and then higher costs *and* you're now dealing with a for-profit insurer who makes money to deny treatments and tell you which doctor you can see | Dec 08 21:06 |
ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky | Dec 08 21:06 |
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ender2070 | this is the guy | Dec 08 21:06 |
schestowitz | http://tech.shantanugoel.com/2009/11/08/grub-knetworkmanager-kubuntu-karmic.html | Dec 08 21:06 |
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DaemonFC | most people who enroll in them get out later, but they have you trapped for a year where you can't do anything to get them to stop fucking you over | Dec 08 21:07 |
schestowitz | That's what wallc says | Dec 08 21:07 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: So you see why I say AARP is a conflict of interest | Dec 08 21:08 |
schestowitz | wnwhat about him? | Dec 08 21:08 |
DaemonFC | they're serving their own interests first | Dec 08 21:08 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Provided there is an AARP in 25 years (When I'll be 50), I won't be signing up | Dec 08 21:09 |
ender2070 | "The catastrophes which occurred within the memory of mankind are recorded in the myths, legends and written history of all ancient cultures and civilisations. Velikovsky pointed to alleged concordances in the accounts of many cultures, and proposed that they referred to the same real events. For instance, the memory of a flood is recorded in the Hebrew Bible, in the Greek legend of Deucalion and in the Manu legend of | Dec 08 21:09 |
ender2070 | India. Velikovsky put forward the psychoanalytic idea of "Cultural Amnesia" as a mechanism whereby these literal records came to be regarded as mere myths and legends." | Dec 08 21:09 |
DaemonFC | Blue Haired Mafia is what I call AARP | Dec 08 21:10 |
schestowitz | ender2070: they say Inca got swept by something | Dec 08 21:11 |
ender2070 | "That the Deluge (Noah's Flood) had been caused by proto-Saturn entering a nova state, and ejecting much of its mass into space." | Dec 08 21:11 |
schestowitz | Mayb asteroid collusion in the Atlantic ocean | Dec 08 21:11 |
schestowitz | But it was well before years were properly counted | Dec 08 21:11 |
schestowitz | ender2070: HAHA | Dec 08 21:12 |
schestowitz | Oh, it's him...? | Dec 08 21:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: In the year of our Lord, you mean? | Dec 08 21:12 |
DaemonFC | :) | Dec 08 21:12 |
schestowitz | The one Sagan spoke about...? | Dec 08 21:12 |
schestowitz | Who said that Saturn emitted one of the planets (Venus or Mercury IIRC?) | Dec 08 21:12 |
ender2070 | "Jupiter had been the culprit for the catastrophe which saw the destruction of the "Cities of the Plain" (Sodom and Gomorrah)" | Dec 08 21:12 |
ender2070 | probably this guy | Dec 08 21:12 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 08 21:13 |
ender2070 | "Periodic close contacts with Mars had caused havoc in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE." | Dec 08 21:13 |
schestowitz | The universe works to suit religious goals | Dec 08 21:13 |
schestowitz | God stopped Sodomy by throwing some planets near to Earth | Dec 08 21:13 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 08 21:13 |
schestowitz | Let me find the Cosmos bit on it | Dec 08 21:13 |
ender2070 | or some planets came near to earth and they said they had to stop sodomy or else | Dec 08 21:14 |
wallc | Hi, I stepped away for a few minutes... | Dec 08 21:14 |
schestowitz | Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MlN7iVIuhk | Dec 08 21:14 |
schestowitz | Haha. | Dec 08 21:15 |
schestowitz | Still hilarious | Dec 08 21:15 |
ender2070 | Carl Sagan is often questionable | Dec 08 21:16 |
schestowitz | Maybe. | Dec 08 21:16 |
schestowitz | Did you watch this? | Dec 08 21:16 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I still say the asteroids got together to form a committee to address the planetary real estate devaluation caused by so many homosexuals | Dec 08 21:16 |
ender2070 | no i've just heard negative things about him | Dec 08 21:16 |
DaemonFC | :D | Dec 08 21:16 |
DaemonFC | there went the neighborhood kinda | Dec 08 21:16 |
schestowitz | Psychiatrists should stay out of astronomy | Dec 08 21:17 |
*MinceR summons Sagan-Man | Dec 08 21:17 | |
schestowitz | ender2070: I heard good things | Dec 08 21:17 |
schestowitz | Tyson said he was so kind to him | Dec 08 21:17 |
schestowitz | He even offered to have him stay over and spent a lot of time with him | Dec 08 21:17 |
schestowitz | And he was an activist against nukes | Dec 08 21:18 |
ender2070 | Carl spent most of his time rebutting Velikovsky | Dec 08 21:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: if you really really really really want something, you can evoke another planet and tell a story about the wonders of Go... I mean, planet | Dec 08 21:18 |
schestowitz | ender2070: why waste time on it? | Dec 08 21:19 |
schestowitz | See the video | Dec 08 21:19 |
ender2070 | i am | Dec 08 21:19 |
schestowitz | Velikovsky just discredited everything he ever said | Dec 08 21:19 |
ender2070 | hes attacking a "theory" | Dec 08 21:19 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Funny how people ignore the fact that homosexuality went on, so God failed | Dec 08 21:19 |
DaemonFC | or maybe that their bible tells of all kinds of wickedness going on | Dec 08 21:19 |
ender2070 | carl sagan is a company man | Dec 08 21:19 |
DaemonFC | incest, child rape, etc. | Dec 08 21:19 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: God didn't fail | Dec 08 21:19 |
schestowitz | He made everything | Dec 08 21:19 |
DaemonFC | and never once mentions homosexuality | Dec 08 21:19 |
schestowitz | I mean, EVERYTHING | Dec 08 21:19 |
DaemonFC | including the homosexuals? | Dec 08 21:20 |
DaemonFC | yay, God made me! | Dec 08 21:20 |
schestowitz | So the question that's begged is, why did God make people gay if he's got a problem w/ it? | Dec 08 21:20 |
ender2070 | Carl Sagan just said scientists dont supress ideas | Dec 08 21:20 |
DaemonFC | and why did he try to wipe us out and fail? | Dec 08 21:20 |
ender2070 | that discredited everything he just said | Dec 08 21:20 |
schestowitz | ender2070: yes, he was attacked for it | Dec 08 21:20 |
schestowitz | I think Charlie ROse did it... | Dec 08 21:21 |
MinceR | http://www.motifake.com/do-you-want-to-play-yes-this-is-what-we-ve-now-become-demotivational-poster-57373.html | Dec 08 21:21 |
schestowitz | Hold on... | Dec 08 21:21 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Maybe so that Christians could be annoying and pointing at that for the rest of eternity? | Dec 08 21:21 |
schestowitz | I think that's the one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jod7v-m573k | Dec 08 21:21 |
schestowitz | ender2070: basically, hypocrisy | Dec 08 21:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/183887/google_will_release_etherpad_as_open_source.html | Dec 08 21:22 |
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ender2070 | lol | Dec 08 21:22 |
ender2070 | calling something pseudo-science, is suppression | Dec 08 21:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=phx_2009_survey_results&num=1 | Dec 08 21:24 |
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schestowitz | ender2070: tricky situation | Dec 08 21:24 |
schestowitz | Like w/ all censorship | Dec 08 21:24 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 21:24 |
schestowitz | The thing to say is, "OK..." | Dec 08 21:25 |
ender2070 | cause they can be right but technology isnt advanced enough | Dec 08 21:25 |
schestowitz | "Let's try to find proof" | Dec 08 21:25 |
schestowitz | "You me your cards..." | Dec 08 21:25 |
ender2070 | which is why, you keep an open mind and wait for proof that its wrong | Dec 08 21:25 |
schestowitz | Or that it's true | Dec 08 21:25 |
ender2070 | even when proof exists, keep an open mind in case other proof invalidates it | Dec 08 21:25 |
schestowitz | Some things cannot be disproven cause they are not proven in the first place or vice versa | Dec 08 21:25 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 21:25 |
ender2070 | science doesnt believe in free will for example | Dec 08 21:26 |
schestowitz | Axioms are hard to prove] | Dec 08 21:26 |
schestowitz | I think that 1+1=2 requires like a whole thesis | Dec 08 21:26 |
schestowitz | Huge book just to prove 1+1=2 | Dec 08 21:26 |
schestowitz | Einstein used intuition and simple examples in experiments with right-angled mirrors to argue about time being relative | Dec 08 21:27 |
schestowitz | He published a paper with no citations or footnots | Dec 08 21:27 |
schestowitz | Got a Nobel prize for that work | Dec 08 21:27 |
schestowitz | But it still requires more proof | Dec 08 21:27 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 21:27 |
schestowitz | Then you have John Nash with the 5-page thesis | Dec 08 21:27 |
schestowitz | Then you have John Nash with the 50-page thesis | Dec 08 21:27 |
ender2070 | one of his earlier theories was debunked at the time, and hes been proven right in the last decade | Dec 08 21:27 |
schestowitz | Only appreciated many years later when some banksters used it | Dec 08 21:28 |
ender2070 | on dark matter | Dec 08 21:28 |
schestowitz | He spent 20 years trying to prove wrong things | Dec 08 21:28 |
schestowitz | Not much of a success story | Dec 08 21:28 |
ender2070 | ? | Dec 08 21:28 |
schestowitz | It's interesting how some people became symbols... | Dec 08 21:28 |
schestowitz | Like Gates and "success" | Dec 08 21:28 |
schestowitz | Where "Succeed" if greed and felony | Dec 08 21:29 |
schestowitz | Or "magic" for some phonies who trick the eye | Dec 08 21:29 |
schestowitz | Godel was a great thinker | Dec 08 21:29 |
schestowitz | He even has a prize named after him | Dec 08 21:29 |
schestowitz | After he escaped Europe he used to hang out with Einstein | Dec 08 21:29 |
schestowitz | And he proved some good things | Dec 08 21:30 |
schestowitz | Also, it's assumed that natural sciences like physics make up great minds, whereas other areas are not quite the same because the people there are not equally eccentric | Dec 08 21:30 |
schestowitz | Let me find a good film....... | Dec 08 21:30 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUL-x8Gm1h4&NR=1 | Dec 08 21:31 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 21:31 |
ender2070 | some of the most intelligent people on this world seemed crazy or eccentric | Dec 08 21:31 |
cubezzz | Nash? | Dec 08 21:32 |
cubezzz | yes, often true | Dec 08 21:32 |
schestowitz | Einstein seems to have been in the right time and place (and important topic) | Dec 08 21:32 |
schestowitz | People in previous centuries (like Newton) were probably brighter contemporaries | Dec 08 21:32 |
cubezzz | let's see, Telsa, Newton, Stallman... | Dec 08 21:32 |
schestowitz | Einstein could barely get a job for years | Dec 08 21:33 |
ender2070 | Alan Turing | Dec 08 21:33 |
schestowitz | Yeah. | Dec 08 21:33 |
schestowitz | But he died early... on hormones | Dec 08 21:33 |
schestowitz | They tried to "cure him" | Dec 08 21:33 |
ender2070 | Galileao | Dec 08 21:33 |
schestowitz | Stallman could get any job... 1600 in his SATs | Dec 08 21:33 |
ender2070 | turing killed himself | Dec 08 21:33 |
schestowitz | Because they messed him up | Dec 08 21:34 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | Like Michael Jackson killed himself | Dec 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | Self destructive with drugs and surgeries | Dec 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | Teddy Riley saw it coming | Dec 08 21:34 |
ender2070 | yeah | Dec 08 21:34 |
ender2070 | elvis died like that too | Dec 08 21:34 |
schestowitz | Drugs? | Dec 08 21:35 |
schestowitz | Monroe | Dec 08 21:35 |
schestowitz | I think she got some counselling at the time | Dec 08 21:35 |
cubezzz | Self Destructive describes a lot of people | Dec 08 21:35 |
schestowitz | Anyway, some of them get 'suicided | Dec 08 21:35 |
schestowitz | I think Toto Jackson's wife was the one murdered | Dec 08 21:35 |
schestowitz | *Tito? | Dec 08 21:35 |
schestowitz | [21:35] <cubezzz> Self Destructive describes a lot of people | Dec 08 21:36 |
schestowitz | I know some people like that, smokers sometimes | Dec 08 21:36 |
cubezzz | yes, Toto was Dorothy's dog :) | Dec 08 21:36 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Dec 08 21:36 |
schestowitz | That's why I realised I got it wrong | Dec 08 21:36 |
cubezzz | Comedians really seem to be on the edge | Dec 08 21:37 |
cubezzz | Farley, Belushi, Arbuckle... | Dec 08 21:37 |
cubezzz | Toto was also a band in the 80's | Dec 08 21:38 |
schestowitz | Canada does it again... http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/SkyTrain+buskers+face+billing+TransLink+song+royalties/2305546/story.html | Dec 08 21:38 |
ender2070 | Kurt Kobain | Dec 08 21:39 |
schestowitz | Was he murdered after all? | Dec 08 21:39 |
cubezzz | life isn't always fun | Dec 08 21:39 |
schestowitz | Isn't it insulting when someone murders you and the press says you're a depressed suicidal maniac? | Dec 08 21:39 |
cubezzz | the internet seems rather sluggish today | Dec 08 21:39 |
schestowitz | They can also shove some drugs in you before the murder | Dec 08 21:39 |
cubezzz | not impossible | Dec 08 21:40 |
schestowitz | This way you're described as some crackheard who cracked him/her head | Dec 08 21:40 |
schestowitz | /him/his | Dec 08 21:40 |
ender2070 | "The letter states that Socan — the Society of Composers, Authors and Music Publishers of Canada — is demanding royalties for songs being performed in stations." | Dec 08 21:40 |
cubezzz | too much money seems to be a problem too | Dec 08 21:41 |
ender2070 | Just as bad as the Author's guild | Dec 08 21:41 |
ender2070 | selling out every author in america to google | Dec 08 21:41 |
cubezzz | although you would tend to think a lot of money would make things easier | Dec 08 21:41 |
ender2070 | and even public domain works | Dec 08 21:41 |
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cubezzz | ok, was she making $600 per week, or per month? | Dec 08 21:42 |
cubezzz | that article is a bit vague | Dec 08 21:42 |
ender2070 | a month | Dec 08 21:42 |
ender2070 | she barely paid rent | Dec 08 21:42 |
cubezzz | hmmm | Dec 08 21:42 |
cubezzz | yeah I was thinking $600 per week isn't bad at all :) | Dec 08 21:42 |
ender2070 | basicly some organization came in and said they wanted to be paid for her doing it | Dec 08 21:43 |
schestowitz | For what? | Dec 08 21:43 |
schestowitz | Using her vocal chords? | Dec 08 21:43 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 21:43 |
ender2070 | exactly | Dec 08 21:43 |
ender2070 | they are like "shes an artist, thats our juristiction" | Dec 08 21:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q25-S7jzgs | Dec 08 21:44 |
schestowitz | The part about Sousa | Dec 08 21:44 |
ender2070 | its just like the authors guild giving google permission to scan books of authors who arent part of the authors guild | Dec 08 21:44 |
schestowitz | On using the vocal chords like the human lost the monkey's tail | Dec 08 21:44 |
schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/07/irs-goes-after-mothe.html | Dec 08 21:45 |
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ender2070 | this isnt about them playing copyright content, as they dont even have the option of switching to their own sheets | Dec 08 21:47 |
ender2070 | nor has every busker been asked for lists of what they play | Dec 08 21:47 |
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schestowitz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091206/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_open_government | Dec 08 21:47 |
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schestowitz | Dance, Barack, dance | Dec 08 21:48 |
schestowitz | ender2070: do you know how most music is made? | Dec 08 21:48 |
schestowitz | That is, 'premium' content? | Dec 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | Like most music... | Dec 08 21:49 |
ender2070 | sampling other artists | Dec 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | Someone is inspired | Dec 08 21:49 |
ender2070 | or copying styles | Dec 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | Inputx+inputy->inputz | Dec 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | they listen to beats and copy with variation | Dec 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | Then mix | Dec 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | the good ones hide the origins | Dec 08 21:49 |
ender2070 | or combining and hybridizing styles | Dec 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | But if you align it you can see it | Dec 08 21:49 |
schestowitz | "Ain't no mountain high enough" is a good example | Dec 08 21:49 |
ender2070 | rap is obvious | Dec 08 21:50 |
schestowitz | Another is Sting's "how fragile we are" | Dec 08 21:50 |
ender2070 | in this regard | Dec 08 21:50 |
schestowitz | Hall and Oates | Dec 08 21:50 |
schestowitz | So they claim to 'own' music | Dec 08 21:50 |
schestowitz | It's complicated | Dec 08 21:50 |
schestowitz | Even what I write right not is now 100% original | Dec 08 21:50 |
schestowitz | It's based on thinks I heard and read and watched | Dec 08 21:50 |
schestowitz | That's what we all are | Dec 08 21:50 |
schestowitz | We absorb stuff and emit similar stuff | Dec 08 21:51 |
schestowitz | So this whole notion of intellectual monopoly is bizarre | Dec 08 21:51 |
schestowitz | Yet people are self-centric so they love to think of their output as unique | Dec 08 21:51 |
schestowitz | Cause they forget or can't see the origin of it | Dec 08 21:51 |
schestowitz | Even their computation skills for intepreting speech adn writing is driven by the motor trained through listening and readinh | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | So that too is 'plagiarised' | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | It's a predictive model | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | The mind is like a Markov chain | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | And you can expect next words to come | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | Less good at going backwards with words | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | Same with images | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | You see an abyss | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | Then you expect what happens next | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | Since bith | Dec 08 21:52 |
schestowitz | Training machines | Dec 08 21:53 |
schestowitz | And this expectation model can improve | Dec 08 21:53 |
schestowitz | Same with music | Dec 08 21:53 |
schestowitz | When you listen to a track | Dec 08 21:53 |
schestowitz | You can tell what track comes next | Dec 08 21:53 |
schestowitz | Cause your mind was trained to expect the sequence of tracks on CDs | Dec 08 21:53 |
schestowitz | You can sing the wong without thinking about it given enough practice which rehearses the sequences | Dec 08 21:54 |
schestowitz | Physical motions like dances are the same of course | Dec 08 21:54 |
schestowitz | It's just signals and sequences required to make them | Dec 08 21:54 |
schestowitz | Athletes are good at making particular sequences | Dec 08 21:54 |
schestowitz | So going back to music and art, this 'originality' idea is innately complicated | Dec 08 21:55 |
schestowitz | There is no originality | Dec 08 21:55 |
schestowitz | It's a mashup of inputs | Dec 08 21:55 |
schestowitz | Each chooses separate inputs | Dec 08 21:55 |
schestowitz | That's why we all think differently | Dec 08 21:55 |
schestowitz | But things like broadcast make large groups of the populations more similar by streaming to them similar (dis/)information | Dec 08 21:56 |
schestowitz | http://techie-buzz.com/linux-tips/how-to-transform-ubuntu-into-windows-xp-desktop.html | Dec 08 21:57 |
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schestowitz | David Worthington writes for the Technologizer now ... http://www.pcworld.com/article/183986/boxee_box_aims_for_your_tv.html | Dec 08 22:04 |
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ender2070 | sounds a bit like predictive programming | Dec 08 22:05 |
schestowitz | /bith/birth/ | Dec 08 22:05 |
schestowitz | ender2070: IBM is working on computerised brain | Dec 08 22:06 |
schestowitz | But the human brain has many nodes, not one central pipe | Dec 08 22:06 |
ender2070 | pavlovian mind control | Dec 08 22:06 |
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ender2070 | by controlling the environment you can effect changes in the mind | Dec 08 22:07 |
schestowitz | computers have one pipeline or many nodes/cores | Dec 08 22:07 |
schestowitz | A friend of mine reckons birth of babies will be parly handles by machines in 200 years | Dec 08 22:08 |
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schestowitz | He's in this field | Dec 08 22:08 |
schestowitz | *handled | Dec 08 22:08 |
schestowitz | You can simulate conditions of wombs | Dec 08 22:08 |
schestowitz | and babies can swin when they are born... it's odd | Dec 08 22:08 |
ender2070 | yeah hes probably right | Dec 08 22:09 |
schestowitz | Kurzweil thinks we can self-heal cell for very long lives | Dec 08 22:09 |
ender2070 | and the dna will be genetically engineered | Dec 08 22:09 |
schestowitz | /s/thinks/hopes/ | Dec 08 22:09 |
schestowitz | " The Vostro V13 is about 0.65in thin, weighs 3.5lbs and starts at $449 with Ubuntu 9.04 or $599 with Windows 7 Home Premium. " | Dec 08 22:10 |
schestowitz | http://www.techspot.com/news/37253-Dell-intros-new-lowcost-ultrathin-Vostro-V13.html | Dec 08 22:10 |
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schestowitz | People might think that Windows is better because it's more expensive | Dec 08 22:10 |
ender2070 | could have babies grown for specific purposes | Dec 08 22:10 |
schestowitz | That's how people are trained to think anyway | Dec 08 22:10 |
schestowitz | ender2070: well, that's where life loses its value | Dec 08 22:10 |
ender2070 | have you seen star wars: attack of the clones | Dec 08 22:10 |
schestowitz | "manufacturing" or "harvesting" life | Dec 08 22:11 |
schestowitz | See what they do the chicken | Dec 08 22:11 |
ender2070 | those "clones" where grown and genetically modified for war | Dec 08 22:11 |
schestowitz | Not the free-range ones | Dec 08 22:11 |
schestowitz | Farms became meet factories | Dec 08 22:11 |
schestowitz | The animals are just tools | Dec 08 22:11 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 22:11 |
schestowitz | *meat | Dec 08 22:11 |
schestowitz | ender2070: no, robots are better for wars | Dec 08 22:11 |
schestowitz | No need for engineering of life for it | Dec 08 22:12 |
ender2070 | robots are too dumb | Dec 08 22:12 |
schestowitz | Robots are less mortal and recyclable | Dec 08 22:12 |
ender2070 | you would need remote control | Dec 08 22:12 |
schestowitz | Not really | Dec 08 22:12 |
ender2070 | im just using it as an example | Dec 08 22:12 |
schestowitz | Some are optomised | Dec 08 22:12 |
schestowitz | Why have limitation of no wheels? | Dec 08 22:12 |
schestowitz | And 4 limbs? | Dec 08 22:12 |
ender2070 | remember, in star wars these clones traveled the universe | Dec 08 22:12 |
schestowitz | For some combat you want other things, depending on role | Dec 08 22:12 |
ender2070 | and they figured droids were too unreliable | Dec 08 22:13 |
schestowitz | Einstein asked his parents when his sister was born why she didn't have wheels | Dec 08 22:13 |
schestowitz | ender2070: the bots are not intended to look like humans | Dec 08 22:13 |
schestowitz | But either way, I find all that scary | Dec 08 22:13 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 08 22:13 |
schestowitz | A little like Terminator, which wasn't too far off | Dec 08 22:13 |
ender2070 | well im not saying war | Dec 08 22:13 |
_goblin | thats where robots and combat will never work...imo...combat is very much determined (and won) by the human condition. | Dec 08 22:13 |
ender2070 | but | Dec 08 22:13 |
ender2070 | they could genetically engineer humans for other roles | Dec 08 22:14 |
schestowitz | Would you be more afraid of a piece of metal with wheels and machine guns or a man like you, with ammunition? | Dec 08 22:14 |
ender2070 | Kahn in star trek, genetically engineered with superior intellect and strength | Dec 08 22:14 |
_goblin | the decision to sacrafice all of the company for the sake of one man rescued...for example...to a machine that would make no sense. | Dec 08 22:15 |
schestowitz | _goblin: not true, IMHO | Dec 08 22:15 |
schestowitz | Wars are no longer fought by humans | Dec 08 22:15 |
schestowitz | Just jets and rockets | Dec 08 22:15 |
schestowitz | Those are just assisted by men | Dec 08 22:15 |
schestowitz | Mostly automated | Dec 08 22:15 |
schestowitz | Even guiding systems | Dec 08 22:15 |
_goblin | disagree...ground troups are vital... | Dec 08 22:15 |
schestowitz | Maybe at the end, after destruction | Dec 08 22:15 |
_goblin | missles may be automated (of sorts) but their targets are not... | Dec 08 22:15 |
schestowitz | If it's a mayham against 'targeted' people, then yes | Dec 08 22:16 |
schestowitz | If it's against a nation, there are thermal weapons | Dec 08 22:16 |
_goblin | ground troups have the rules of engagement to determine further targets... | Dec 08 22:16 |
schestowitz | That's what's so scary | Dec 08 22:16 |
schestowitz | Although it's not as bad as in the past where you died by the sword and your family sometimes raped | Dec 08 22:16 |
schestowitz | _goblin: targeted attacks are the micro-wars | Dec 08 22:17 |
schestowitz | They are wars on phenomena, not nations | Dec 08 22:17 |
schestowitz | Like "terrorism" | Dec 08 22:17 |
schestowitz | Then, when they kill innocent on the path to the "terrorists", they only help recruit more of them | Dec 08 22:18 |
schestowitz | That's why it's an unwinnable war, IMHO | Dec 08 22:18 |
_goblin | theres alot of propaganda about war that facilitated by those who seek to discredit the government....The only FUD ive seen in relation to troup engagements has come from those who wish the troops to be withdrawn. | Dec 08 22:18 |
schestowitz | You think you can kill off the infection/tumour | Dec 08 22:18 |
schestowitz | But on the way there you only kill live tissue | Dec 08 22:18 |
schestowitz | So the problem spreads | Dec 08 22:19 |
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_goblin | a case in point.....the common view is that that ground skirmishes are fought with merely the SA80 and a full magazine. | Dec 08 22:19 |
schestowitz | See what happens when you try to fight competition viciously | Dec 08 22:19 |
schestowitz | Even in IT | Dec 08 22:19 |
schestowitz | Microsoft fighting Linux was not a smart idea... and they drove away many developers and now just borrow money | Dec 08 22:19 |
ender2070 | you can't automate everything its illegal | Dec 08 22:19 |
ender2070 | you need ground troops | Dec 08 22:19 |
_goblin | completely wrong....bayonet order was used in 1st Iraq conflict more times than anyone cared to admit. | Dec 08 22:20 |
schestowitz | _goblin: did the troops in Iraq improve your security? | Dec 08 22:20 |
ender2070 | the berne convention disallows unmanned robots | Dec 08 22:20 |
_goblin | conflict of interest......it would not be fair for me to answer. | Dec 08 22:20 |
ender2070 | the us did sign it | Dec 08 22:20 |
_goblin | I have loyalties.... | Dec 08 22:20 |
schestowitz | That's a trap | Dec 08 22:21 |
schestowitz | The moral defense | Dec 08 22:21 |
ender2070 | err not berne | Dec 08 22:21 |
ender2070 | thats copyright | Dec 08 22:21 |
_goblin | I'll have to be honest there because I can't say I think troops should be withdrawn.. | Dec 08 22:21 |
schestowitz | The threat grew 7-fold | Dec 08 22:21 |
schestowitz | As expected before the war began | Dec 08 22:21 |
ender2070 | the hague convention | Dec 08 22:21 |
schestowitz | Vietnam too was eventually abandoned | Dec 08 22:22 |
ender2070 | for once reason | Dec 08 22:22 |
schestowitz | Not before 2-3 million Vietnamese were dead | Dec 08 22:22 |
_goblin | what I can say is that the men and women fighting the cause (rightly or wrongly) do so with a couragous disregard for their own safety and a belief that it can be won. | Dec 08 22:22 |
schestowitz | Yes | Dec 08 22:22 |
schestowitz | But who do they fight /for/? | Dec 08 22:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2009/12/07/who-wants-war/ | Dec 08 22:22 |
ender2070 | unmanned robots allows Plausible deniability | Dec 08 22:23 |
_goblin | I suppose it comes down to lawful orders. If we are to have an effective army is has to respond without thought or challenge of authority otherwise there is no point....you just have to have faith in your objectives... | Dec 08 22:23 |
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ender2070 | nobody wants war, but at the same time when war does occur you also don't want robots killing innocent people | Dec 08 22:23 |
schestowitz | The threat of peace has over $500,000,000,000 per YEAR at stake | Dec 08 22:24 |
schestowitz | _goblin: many atrocities were committed under this premise | Dec 08 22:24 |
schestowitz | That it's OK to iconify leaders and follow orders | Dec 08 22:24 |
_goblin | I think there are two sides to this war...one is whether the government is wrong in its decisions...but the real side is that service men and women are fighting it...they are not in a position to say "nope I don't agree, Im off home" | Dec 08 22:25 |
schestowitz | To truly believe that a utopian order would be brought about by all the actions and peer pressure | Dec 08 22:25 |
schestowitz | And the history is soon forgotten | Dec 08 22:25 |
schestowitz | Gore Vidal called it "United States of Amnesia" | Dec 08 22:25 |
schestowitz | _goblin: there were fabrications | Dec 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | So whether it was right or wrong is now a different question | Dec 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | Same when the British invaded Suez tunnel | Dec 08 22:26 |
ender2070 | United States of Eurasia | Dec 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | Under fake words from "lucky break" or whoever it was that fed rubbish to the PM? | Dec 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | It became a disaster of intl' proportions | Dec 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | The Ffrench participated too | Dec 08 22:26 |
schestowitz | And the Soviets then threatened the UK with nuke | Dec 08 22:27 |
_goblin | yes but there are fabrications on both sides....the government have you told that the war is right and show troops hidden behind rocks engaging the targets at long range... | Dec 08 22:27 |
_goblin | the reality is much much worse. | Dec 08 22:27 |
schestowitz | Yes, I know | Dec 08 22:27 |
schestowitz | So maybe the lesser of the two evils was better | Dec 08 22:27 |
_goblin | To say that innocents can get caught up in ground fighting is very wrong.... | Dec 08 22:27 |
schestowitz | I still don't think it was better to play the "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorist" card | Dec 08 22:28 |
_goblin | since its at such close quarters (or certainly was in the first instance) that is virtually hand to hand in occasion. | Dec 08 22:28 |
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_goblin | bayonet order, as I say. | Dec 08 22:28 |
DowisDown | Hey Roy!http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=233045 | Dec 08 22:29 |
DowisDown | http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/stockmarket/2/default.stm | Dec 08 22:29 |
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schestowitz | Hey, DowisDown | Dec 08 22:29 |
DowisDown | Check out the 12 month price for gold, its almost doubled! | Dec 08 22:29 |
DowisDown | http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/commodities/143908/twelve_month.stm | Dec 08 22:29 |
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DowisDown | Its them pesky Chinese dumping the dollar to invest in something with intrinsic value | Dec 08 22:30 |
schestowitz | But you have silver | Dec 08 22:30 |
schestowitz | I suppose you mean 'pesky' in scare quotes | Dec 08 22:31 |
DowisDown | Allow me.... | Dec 08 22:31 |
DowisDown | http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/commodities/40380/twelve_month.stm | Dec 08 22:31 |
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schestowitz | They are just doing what makes economic sense to them | Dec 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | Politically it never made sense to them | Dec 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | Not it makes no pragmatic sense, either | Dec 08 22:31 |
DowisDown | good on em, i'm right behind them | Dec 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | Cash for Clunkers | Dec 08 22:31 |
DowisDown | checked out silver yet | Dec 08 22:31 |
schestowitz | If true, then it's more like "metal for Asia" | Dec 08 22:31 |
DowisDown | silver has almost doubled too | Dec 08 22:32 |
schestowitz | OK, makes sense | Dec 08 22:32 |
DowisDown | when most of the western currencies go down the pan, precious metals will be the backstop position, get em now | Dec 08 22:32 |
schestowitz | What about corn and wheat? | Dec 08 22:32 |
schestowitz | "Will work for Yuan" | Dec 08 22:33 |
schestowitz | My ex-g/f is in China now... :-| | Dec 08 22:33 |
DowisDown | Corn is stable, but then when the shockwave hits from last years financial nuke, you wouldn't want to be trading with wheat would you? | Dec 08 22:34 |
DowisDown | Gold has been an exchange medium for thousands of years | Dec 08 22:34 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Dec 08 22:35 |
schestowitz | Well, it's one among many | Dec 08 22:35 |
schestowitz | Just the most valuable one based on scracity | Dec 08 22:35 |
DowisDown | strangley copper has more than doubled too | Dec 08 22:36 |
DowisDown | http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/commodities/11637/twelve_month.stm | Dec 08 22:36 |
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schestowitz | <saracsm> unless you trade plutonium or something | Dec 08 22:36 |
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_goblin | doh. | Dec 08 22:36 |
DowisDown | http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=233045 | Dec 08 22:37 |
schestowitz | BTW, DowisDown, turns out Mark is into this area too | Dec 08 22:37 |
_goblin | Roy...here's one for you....Area 51....conspiracy or mad rant? (its been an interest of mine for a long time) | Dec 08 22:37 |
schestowitz | I spoke to him today... he knows a lot of science too. You should speak to him | Dec 08 22:37 |
DowisDown | i don't know what he looks like | Dec 08 22:38 |
schestowitz | Oh, no alien nonsense, please... | Dec 08 22:38 |
schestowitz | DowisDown: never mind then.. | Dec 08 22:38 |
DowisDown | have you seen the shrine to mike coogan in the gym, have you paid homage at the feet of mr f | Dec 08 22:38 |
schestowitz | Yeah, I spat at it :-) :-) I kid, I kid... | Dec 08 22:38 |
DowisDown | are you coming to the christmas meal? | Dec 08 22:39 |
schestowitz | Nope | Dec 08 22:39 |
DowisDown | boring | Dec 08 22:39 |
schestowitz | Steve ain't coming | Dec 08 22:39 |
_goblin | how about, America feared China's airforce....what better way to send out a message to China then to pretend you have alien aircraft in your hangers...quite easy to fake....pick on hapless townfolk with a little sfx and before you know it you have a worldwide conspiracy. | Dec 08 22:39 |
DowisDown | i know | Dec 08 22:39 |
schestowitz | Running away from someone | Dec 08 22:39 |
DowisDown | who's he upset now | Dec 08 22:39 |
schestowitz | Nobody | Dec 08 22:40 |
schestowitz | I think there's this girl he's afraid of | Dec 08 22:40 |
DowisDown | is she tasty? | Dec 08 22:40 |
schestowitz | By Steve's taste, all girls are attractive | Dec 08 22:41 |
DowisDown | does he fancy her, is he being shy/coy | Dec 08 22:41 |
schestowitz | But anyway, let's not talk about him | Dec 08 22:41 |
schestowitz | It's rude and off-topic | Dec 08 22:41 |
DowisDown | is it vicky | Dec 08 22:41 |
schestowitz | DowisDown: and well.. neither... he just doesn't know how to handle the situation | Dec 08 22:41 |
DowisDown | you started it btw:) | Dec 08 22:41 |
schestowitz | Maybe | Dec 08 22:42 |
schestowitz | I didn't ask | Dec 08 22:42 |
DowisDown | good luck to him, it'd do him good | Dec 08 22:42 |
schestowitz | Let's not talk about people anyway | Dec 08 22:42 |
DowisDown | i refer you to my post 3 entries previous:) | Dec 08 22:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.smartphonetoday.com/articles/2009/12/2009-12-7-Nokia-Updates-Qt.html | Dec 08 22:43 |
schestowitz | DowisDown: I don't read that site | Dec 08 22:43 |
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schestowitz | I found it to be filled with too much noise to hide the signal the one time I looked | Dec 08 22:44 |
DowisDown | anyways matey, i am dissapointed you ain't coming to the meal, it will be good, i am goingto the german market first for some hot wine, then to the meal, you might find romance roy | Dec 08 22:44 |
schestowitz | It's a shame when sane discussion gets drowned up by bad things | Dec 08 22:44 |
schestowitz | I sometimes think it's intentional | Dec 08 22:44 |
_goblin | Heres a good counter (in respect of someone trying to claim IE is great)....:: | Dec 08 22:44 |
_goblin | A selection of comments hand picked because they expressed a negative opinion that was similar to your own and a majority of your readers. | Dec 08 22:44 |
schestowitz | When someone brings up an important subject, then it gets flooded (or "crapflooded") with rubbish to distract and repel | Dec 08 22:45 |
cubezzz | bah, IE is not great, they just ripped off spyglass | Dec 08 22:45 |
schestowitz | IE is a great mess to the WWW | Dec 08 22:45 |
cubezzz | and tried to lock people in as usual | Dec 08 22:45 |
_goblin | I like the counter though.....he's agreeing that IE is disliked.....but then uses that as a justification that its not... | Dec 08 22:45 |
schestowitz | Microsoft tried to turn the Internet into Internet Explorer | Dec 08 22:46 |
_goblin | I thought MS made the internet? ;) | Dec 08 22:46 |
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schestowitz | The Internet predates Microsoft | Dec 08 22:46 |
cubezzz | of course | Dec 08 22:46 |
_goblin | nah...Im sure you're wrong there Roy.... | Dec 08 22:46 |
_goblin | MS made everything | Dec 08 22:47 |
_goblin | and everyone else copied. | Dec 08 22:47 |
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_goblin | Just like Juku......so what if it has a 140 char limit.....Twitter copied Juku. | Dec 08 22:48 |
cubezzz | everyone copied Unix | Dec 08 22:48 |
cubezzz | and Xerox | Dec 08 22:49 |
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_goblin | Don't post that on COLA...you would get ALL the Wintrolls come out the woodwork for that one. | Dec 08 22:49 |
cubezzz | it's true | Dec 08 22:49 |
cubezzz | and I don't bother with COLA | Dec 08 22:49 |
cubezzz | sadly usenet is a shadow of it's former self | Dec 08 22:49 |
_goblin | Im being flippant of course. | Dec 08 22:50 |
_goblin | and I agree | Dec 08 22:50 |
cubezzz | usenet used to be very very good | Dec 08 22:50 |
_goblin | I blame Googlegroups | Dec 08 22:50 |
cubezzz | well, the internet used to be the domain of the military and academia | Dec 08 22:50 |
cubezzz | now it's everybody | Dec 08 22:50 |
_goblin | I remember paying £1 an hour for net access with Compuserve | Dec 08 22:51 |
cubezzz | we had gopher and wais and ftp before we had www | Dec 08 22:51 |
cubezzz | Unix had the best design | Dec 08 22:51 |
schestowitz | http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source/apple-bans-developer-posting-bogus-reviews-356 | Dec 08 22:52 |
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_goblin | I never really "hit" the computing scene until the days of the Amiga. | Dec 08 22:52 |
_goblin | up until then I was a gamer on the Spectrum. | Dec 08 22:52 |
cubezzz | those were (relatively speaking) early days | Dec 08 22:52 |
cubezzz | Amiga had one big thing that computers now do not have | Dec 08 22:53 |
_goblin | ah.......Load "" CODE........."start the tape and press any key" | Dec 08 22:53 |
cubezzz | standardized hardware | Dec 08 22:53 |
_goblin | although that was ultimately the death of it...IMO | Dec 08 22:53 |
cubezzz | _goblin, now you going back to Commodore PET :) | Dec 08 22:53 |
cubezzz | Amiga had a real operating system | Dec 08 22:53 |
_goblin | whilst PCs were playing Wolfenstien and waiting for Quake....Amiga had come to the realization that texture maping was not really decent even with the A1200 AGA chipset. | Dec 08 22:54 |
cubezzz | although I've forgotten a lot about it | Dec 08 22:54 |
_goblin | 2d wise though the Amiga could not be beat! | Dec 08 22:54 |
cubezzz | A1200 was pretty slow though | Dec 08 22:54 |
cubezzz | what was it 14 mhz? | Dec 08 22:55 |
_goblin | think so...a500 was 7.9 ??? | Dec 08 22:55 |
_goblin | for some reason 14.9 is springing to mind... | Dec 08 22:55 |
cubezzz | yeah, but those coprocessors made a huge difference | Dec 08 22:55 |
cubezzz | no, 7.16 for NTSC and 7.09 for PAL | Dec 08 22:56 |
_goblin | I have a SF2 machine in my outhouse! based on the same 68k processor as the Amiga I believe. | Dec 08 22:56 |
_goblin | that sounds better! | Dec 08 22:56 |
cubezzz | so do I _goblin :) | Dec 08 22:57 |
_goblin | unfortunately mines a fake.... | Dec 08 22:57 |
cubezzz | I have 2 boards, sf2 ce and sf2 hyperfighting | Dec 08 22:57 |
cubezzz | and Joust, and Ataxx, and Blockout | Dec 08 22:57 |
_goblin | The one machine which I would love would be Dragons Lair.... | Dec 08 22:57 |
_goblin | original lazer disk cabinet. | Dec 08 22:58 |
cubezzz | Ataxx was Intel 80186 | Dec 08 22:58 |
cubezzz | Joust was Intel 8085 | Dec 08 22:58 |
cubezzz | I think Blockout was Motorola 68000 | Dec 08 22:58 |
_goblin | you used MAME> | Dec 08 22:59 |
cubezzz | no, that's from memory :) | Dec 08 22:59 |
_goblin | very impressive...if you are a retro Arcade buff its worth looking at. | Dec 08 22:59 |
_goblin | I am partial to a game of Marvel V SF every so often. | Dec 08 23:00 |
cubezzz | I'm a long time arcade aficionado | Dec 08 23:00 |
cubezzz | although now I don't play much these days | Dec 08 23:00 |
cubezzz | oh I did some MAME programming too | Dec 08 23:00 |
_goblin | lol... | Dec 08 23:00 |
_goblin | sorry.... | Dec 08 23:00 |
_goblin | I shouldn't have assumed you wouldn't have heard of MAME then! | Dec 08 23:01 |
cubezzz | I helped with Blockout a little | Dec 08 23:01 |
_goblin | So you know quite a bit about it! | Dec 08 23:01 |
cubezzz | I remember the very first version of MAME | Dec 08 23:01 |
_goblin | such a great project. | Dec 08 23:01 |
cubezzz | and David Spicer's earliest emu | Dec 08 23:01 |
_goblin | was that a 68k altered beast emu? | Dec 08 23:02 |
cubezzz | yes, I still have a few MAME web pages too | Dec 08 23:02 |
cubezzz | no, it was Space Invaders | Dec 08 23:02 |
_goblin | ah..Im thinking of someone else. | Dec 08 23:02 |
_goblin | been playing Spectrum games on the DS...the speccy emu is very impressive! | Dec 08 23:03 |
_goblin | so is the genesis one. | Dec 08 23:03 |
cubezzz | http://cubeman.org/mame1.html | Dec 08 23:04 |
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cubezzz | that is very old | Dec 08 23:04 |
_goblin | the problem is, I have so many interests its hard to dedicate much time to any of them... | Dec 08 23:04 |
schestowitz | Jack of all trades... | Dec 08 23:04 |
schestowitz | ...master of none. | Dec 08 23:04 |
_goblin | damn...you got there before me. | Dec 08 23:04 |
cubezzz | prioritize :) | Dec 08 23:05 |
_goblin | I wish I could.... | Dec 08 23:05 |
_goblin | I was thinking this time last year I had only really started getting serious about my blog.... | Dec 08 23:05 |
_goblin | it was not my intention to start one. | Dec 08 23:06 |
_goblin | I was spending time on the net for a wholly different reason | Dec 08 23:06 |
cubezzz | what is most important? start with that | Dec 08 23:06 |
_goblin | and thats the problem...I don't start something if I don't deem it important and therefore all my "loves" are equal. | Dec 08 23:07 |
cubezzz | the problem with MAME is that it's become very slow | Dec 08 23:07 |
_goblin | Ive not looked at recent vers.... | Dec 08 23:07 |
cubezzz | well, I don't play much arcade any more | Dec 08 23:07 |
_goblin | believe it or not Ive only emulated the PCB's I actually own. | Dec 08 23:07 |
cubezzz | my Linux work stuff is more important | Dec 08 23:07 |
cubezzz | I have no reason to disbelieve you | Dec 08 23:08 |
_goblin | I wouldn't believe it if someone else said that. | Dec 08 23:08 |
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_goblin | but well done for your MAME work...its nice to see the classics get preserved in some form. | Dec 08 23:09 |
cubezzz | I can't take much credit for it, but I helped a little | Dec 08 23:09 |
_goblin | Cubezz: what projects are you working on currently? | Dec 08 23:09 |
cubezzz | 3d engine, puzzles, and porting stuff to Linux | Dec 08 23:10 |
_goblin | were you not tempted to help with the AROS project? (since I assume like me you are an Amiga lover) | Dec 08 23:11 |
cubezzz | no, but I thought about getting a real amiga again | Dec 08 23:11 |
_goblin | I was considering getting a A4000 from ebay.... | Dec 08 23:12 |
cubezzz | yes that is tempting | Dec 08 23:12 |
_goblin | but with Xmas, Ive other things to get first.... | Dec 08 23:13 |
_goblin | like a rocking horse... | Dec 08 23:13 |
_goblin | better make that clear......for my young lad...(1.5 years) | Dec 08 23:13 |
cubezzz | I have good ideas, I usually write them down then return to it later | Dec 08 23:13 |
cubezzz | still learning to program on zaurus | Dec 08 23:14 |
cubezzz | for me Linux has replaced AmigaDOS | Dec 08 23:14 |
_goblin | Id say thats true for me...(in that Im starting to feel the same way about it) | Dec 08 23:15 |
cubezzz | the weird thing is the zaurus scene itself is kind of dead | Dec 08 23:15 |
cubezzz | Linux is where the action is these days | Dec 08 23:15 |
cubezzz | of course you could buy an Amiga 4000 and put Linux on it | Dec 08 23:16 |
cubezzz | what is happening is too much feature creep | Dec 08 23:17 |
_goblin | One thing I forget about the amiga......playing games with 1 firebutton.....how on earth did we cope? | Dec 08 23:17 |
cubezzz | so you have to get back into older Linux to get it to fit | Dec 08 23:17 |
cubezzz | older games had simple controls | Dec 08 23:17 |
_goblin | and no mousewheel.......sitting in front of a CRT box...playing Dungeon Master for hours.... | Dec 08 23:18 |
cubezzz | and we had the mouse of course | Dec 08 23:18 |
_goblin | god the amiga mouse was clunky (in hindsight) | Dec 08 23:18 |
cubezzz | I'm still using CRTs :) | Dec 08 23:18 |
_goblin | good effort! | Dec 08 23:19 |
cubezzz | along with LCD | Dec 08 23:19 |
_goblin | I suppose my cabinet counts as one.... | Dec 08 23:19 |
cubezzz | I could get into Amiga 4000 and do Linux I think | Dec 08 23:19 |
_goblin | 68040 wasn't it? | Dec 08 23:20 |
cubezzz | never really mastered programmed the 500 | Dec 08 23:20 |
_goblin | ah....the devpac 2 days... | Dec 08 23:20 |
cubezzz | it was 030 and 040 both | Dec 08 23:20 |
_goblin | When I was home I would sit for weeks reading and learning.... | Dec 08 23:20 |
cubezzz | 25 Mhz :) | Dec 08 23:21 |
_goblin | its ironic that I have such a love of computers but yet never had a job which fostered that love... | Dec 08 23:21 |
cubezzz | even my old sl-5500 is 200 Mhz but ARM based, so hard to compare | Dec 08 23:21 |
cubezzz | no fpu on the sl-5500 | Dec 08 23:22 |
cubezzz | really? That is a bit odd | Dec 08 23:22 |
_goblin | infact both my jobs have been as far removed from computers as you can get....I must admit now, I envy all the people here who work in IT.... | Dec 08 23:22 |
cubezzz | All my jobs were in the computer industry | Dec 08 23:22 |
_goblin | I helped a family business....but that was for free and when I was waiting to go away.... | Dec 08 23:22 |
cubezzz | it's a miracle I don't need glasses | Dec 08 23:23 |
cubezzz | work is work though | Dec 08 23:23 |
_goblin | true.... | Dec 08 23:23 |
cubezzz | you can get bored of any job | Dec 08 23:23 |
_goblin | I sometimes think the worst think you can do with a hobby is turn it into a job. | Dec 08 23:23 |
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cubezzz | all my hobbies are jobs as well :) | Dec 08 23:24 |
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_goblin | Im just saying that to make myself feel better! | Dec 08 23:24 |
cubezzz | I met some of the emu guys | Dec 08 23:25 |
cubezzz | in person | Dec 08 23:25 |
_goblin | having said that, whilst I don't work in IT and never had, I would guess I had use of some exotic systems that nobody here has..... | Dec 08 23:25 |
cubezzz | some were very extreme people | Dec 08 23:25 |
cubezzz | very very dedicated | Dec 08 23:25 |
_goblin | I met Romeo Knight (of Red Sector fame) at a demoscene party. | Dec 08 23:26 |
_goblin | very nice guy. | Dec 08 23:26 |
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cubezzz | I talked to one of the guys who worked on Tron | Dec 08 23:26 |
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_goblin | nice! | Dec 08 23:26 |
cubezzz | can't even remember who now | Dec 08 23:27 |
_goblin | I was blown away at the time by that! | Dec 08 23:27 |
cubezzz | yes, I was working out the mathematics of the bit character | Dec 08 23:27 |
cubezzz | and I was talking about the kind of computers they used | Dec 08 23:27 |
cubezzz | Foley System it was called | Dec 08 23:27 |
_goblin | Going back to what you were saying before, Ive just educated myself a little with Zaurus | Dec 08 23:28 |
cubezzz | oh? which one(s)? | Dec 08 23:28 |
_goblin | (as in finding out what it was without making myself look silly by asking) | Dec 08 23:29 |
_goblin | Sharp | Dec 08 23:29 |
_goblin | I assume you are talking about the PDA? | Dec 08 23:29 |
cubezzz | yes, I mean which model(s) of zaurus are you working with? | Dec 08 23:30 |
_goblin | no...im not...I was looking at what Zaurus was.... | Dec 08 23:30 |
_goblin | I didn't know. | Dec 08 23:30 |
cubezzz | oh, right :) | Dec 08 23:30 |
cubezzz | well you can get a sl-5500 cheap on ebay of course | Dec 08 23:31 |
_goblin | I was trying to preserve dignity at the time and researching it whilst we were talking! | Dec 08 23:31 |
_goblin | they say confession is good for the soul. | Dec 08 23:31 |
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cubezzz | sorry, I made a mistake, it was Foonly not Foley | Dec 08 23:32 |
_goblin | you're thinking about Mick Foley the wrestler since there was a WWE discussion earlier??? ;) | Dec 08 23:32 |
cubezzz | no, I don't know anything about WWE | Dec 08 23:33 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foonly | Dec 08 23:33 |
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_goblin | lol...just pulling your leg.....earlier today Boycott Novell became #Wrestlingchat for a few minutes...... | Dec 08 23:33 |
cubezzz | it was a while ago | Dec 08 23:34 |
cubezzz | usually my memory is pretty good | Dec 08 23:34 |
_goblin | Mine tends to be rather like the A500 running WB.....partial to being "leaky" on occasion. | Dec 08 23:35 |
cubezzz | when Tron came out in 1982 (yes, a loong time ago) I think all I had was a vic-20 | Dec 08 23:35 |
cubezzz | ;-) | Dec 08 23:35 |
_goblin | I think I was Spectrum....or very nearly anyway. | Dec 08 23:36 |
cubezzz | with a mighty 176 x 184 video | Dec 08 23:36 |
cubezzz | the zaurus sl-5500 does 240x320 with 65536 colours | Dec 08 23:36 |
cubezzz | so emulating a vic-20 shouldn't be a problem | Dec 08 23:37 |
_goblin | Ah the speccy days....and in 1982 listening to Bucks Fizz and "Land of Make Believe" | Dec 08 23:37 |
_goblin | I can feel a retro moment coming on. | Dec 08 23:37 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux-powered_devices | Dec 08 23:41 |
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cubezzz | not much Linux stuff in Canada in the stores I'm sorry to say | Dec 08 23:42 |
_goblin | same in the Uk (in respect of the highstreet shops) | Dec 08 23:43 |
cubezzz | schestowitz tells me you guys have some ARM based stuff in the stores in the UK | Dec 08 23:43 |
_goblin | to be fair Ive only been to our local comet and our choice is limited there. | Dec 08 23:43 |
cubezzz | no linux devices at all? | Dec 08 23:43 |
_goblin | not in that store. | Dec 08 23:44 |
_goblin | nr Luton (Bedfordshire) | Dec 08 23:44 |
cubezzz | Leapfrog is Linux based :) | Dec 08 23:44 |
_goblin | Leapfrog? | Dec 08 23:45 |
cubezzz | and here's your christmas present: | Dec 08 23:46 |
cubezzz | http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-4000-Tower-A4000_W0QQitemZ280433653216QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item414b25f5e0 | Dec 08 23:46 |
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schestowitz | Is there a good list/details about what's in Chrome and not in Chromium? One site says final is out, this one says just beta: http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=21529 | Dec 08 23:46 |
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_goblin | a bit of a trip if I want to collect....he doesnt ship outside US. | Dec 08 23:46 |
cubezzz | ah :-/ | Dec 08 23:47 |
cubezzz | leapfrog is an educational toy | Dec 08 23:47 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leapfrog_Enterprises | Dec 08 23:48 |
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cubezzz | yeah I'm not up on Chrome or Chromium stuff | Dec 08 23:48 |
cubezzz | sometimes you don't even know you are using Linux | Dec 08 23:49 |
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_goblin | I love the Chromium project. | Dec 08 23:49 |
_goblin | its such a great browser | Dec 08 23:49 |
_goblin | filed a bug yesterday... | Dec 08 23:49 |
_goblin | today its sorted. | Dec 08 23:49 |
cubezzz | do the svn thing :) | Dec 08 23:50 |
_goblin | Been using Skymap.org today too....very interesting... | Dec 08 23:51 |
_goblin | and learnt what a Quasar is! | Dec 08 23:51 |
cubezzz | there's Chrome OS and Chromium OS, hmmm | Dec 08 23:52 |
cubezzz | so is Chrome OS closed source then? | Dec 08 23:53 |
cubezzz | no, they're both open | Dec 08 23:53 |
cubezzz | I guess it's a bit like Fedora and Red Hat or something | Dec 08 23:54 |
_goblin | i though chromium - Chrome was like openSUSE - SUSE | Dec 08 23:54 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Paul: "It's out for Linux now. And that gives me the same uneasy feeling I always get when I boot up a copy of Linux or use one of the million C-like programming languages out there today: I see something that's familiar but wrong. I just don't get it." http://windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthurrott/article/articleid/103249/wininfo-short-takes-week-of-december-7-2009.html | Dec 08 23:54 |
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schestowitz | _goblin: is Chrome final for Linux? | Dec 08 23:55 |
_goblin | no.. | Dec 08 23:55 |
schestowitz | I see conttadictory articles | Dec 08 23:55 |
schestowitz | One says final, another says beta | Dec 08 23:55 |
schestowitz | _goblin: watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJlJudDtVE&feature=related | Dec 08 23:55 |
_goblin | I don't believe it is.....I could be wrong though. | Dec 08 23:55 |
schestowitz | "Once you take the plunge, a full Windows 7 installation takes around 30 minutes on a modern PC. That’s not as fast as some Linux distributions — especially considering so little software is included — but it’s not too long to wait." http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/12/09/windows-7-review-1/ | Dec 08 23:56 |
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cubezzz | I'm just going to stick with the Linux I know | Dec 08 23:56 |
cubezzz | ahem, allow me to speak about windows 7 | Dec 08 23:56 |
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cubezzz | it's pretty slow, and it's very bloated | Dec 08 23:56 |
cubezzz | comparing Fedora 11 to Windows 7 is a big difference | Dec 08 23:57 |
cubezzz | I tried both on the exact same machine a couple of days ago | Dec 08 23:57 |
cubezzz | plus I had some trouble with the mbr with the two OSes on the same physical hard drive | Dec 08 23:57 |
cubezzz | especially on the AMD TF-20 it was slooow | Dec 08 23:59 |
cubezzz | nothing appealing about it, from 1st hand experience | Dec 08 23:59 |
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