| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.thepirategoogle.com/ | Dec 10 00:00 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Torrent File Search Using Google Custom Search - Scour the Entire Web for Bit Torrent Files .::. Size~: 0.84 KB | Dec 10 00:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/wikileaks_legal/ | Dec 10 00:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: UK air traffic control goes after Wikileaks • The Register .::. Size~: 26.87 KB | Dec 10 00:01 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: lol. | Dec 10 00:05 |
| *bob (i=4800ddee@gateway/web/freenode/x-nreqiieftavljiqi) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 10 00:08 | |
| *bob is now known as Guest4689 | Dec 10 00:08 | |
| Guest4689 | test | Dec 10 00:09 |
| Guest4689 | is rob online? | Dec 10 00:09 |
| Guest4689 | roy sorry | Dec 10 00:09 |
| _goblin | he was here a few minutes ago. | Dec 10 00:11 |
| Guest4689 | thanks | Dec 10 00:11 |
| Guest4689 | for a good laught: | Dec 10 00:11 |
| Guest4689 | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4596/135/ | Dec 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/09/google-apps-gets-google-groups | Dec 10 00:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Apps Gets Google Groups | WebProNews .::. Size~: 31.99 KB | Dec 10 00:12 |
| _goblin | thats going to hurt | Dec 10 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Hey Guest4689 | Dec 10 00:13 |
| Guest4689 | hey | Dec 10 00:13 |
| Guest4689 | if you are looking for a good laught, check link above | Dec 10 00:13 |
| cubezzz | where does the $20,000 per infringement number come from? | Dec 10 00:17 |
| cubezzz | what decides the amount? | Dec 10 00:17 |
| cubezzz | seems rather high | Dec 10 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Guest4689: yeah | Dec 10 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I put it in BN's links 2 days ago | Dec 10 00:18 |
| schestowitz | 1.5 days more like... | Dec 10 00:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/is-google-in-for-regulatory-trouble/?cs=38029 | Dec 10 00:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Is Google in for Regulatory Trouble? | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 82 KB | Dec 10 00:18 |
| schestowitz | People think of Google as totally harmless | Dec 10 00:19 |
| schestowitz | But it drove many Web startups out of business | Dec 10 00:19 |
| Guest4689 | 20k from previous lawsuit | Dec 10 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Not that Google deliberately targets or attacks them like Microsoft | Dec 10 00:19 |
| cubezzz | we pay a tax on blank media in Canada | Dec 10 00:19 |
| cubezzz | don't know who or what gets the money though | Dec 10 00:20 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAA is so arogant that it thinks it owns the legal system | Dec 10 00:20 |
| schestowitz | In some ways it does | Dec 10 00:20 |
| schestowitz | THe democrats put the RIAA in the US DOJ | Dec 10 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Biden paying back the minions who elected him (as in campaign/PR funding) | Dec 10 00:20 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091204/1741297216.shtml | Dec 10 00:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Perfect 10 Still Not Giving Up In Lawsuit Against Google | Techdirt .::. Size~: 34.67 KB | Dec 10 00:21 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2009/11/myspace_quietly.htm | Dec 10 00:21 |
| cubezzz | who would you rather have running things? | Dec 10 00:22 |
| cubezzz | Google or Microsoft? | Dec 10 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Umm | Dec 10 00:22 |
| oiaohm | I cannot say that google does not target web startups. | Dec 10 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Google does not do anything illegal to destroy web startups but if they have something good will try to get them to join google. | Dec 10 00:23 |
| cubezzz | My understanding is no one is really forced to sell out | Dec 10 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Google makes it money threw adveristing. | Dec 10 00:24 |
| oiaohm | That does give a few startups problems like in the GPS maps busisness where the formed around selling the maps. | Dec 10 00:25 |
| cubezzz | sometimes companies would hope to be bought out | Dec 10 00:25 |
| oiaohm | I would have though placing businesses on there and selling like yellow pages stuff would have crossed there mind before it crossed googles. | Dec 10 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Whoo. | Dec 10 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Ie some of it is google causing market shifts. | Dec 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | At the bottom of YouTube pages I now get " | Dec 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Try YouTube in a fast, new web browser! | Dec 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Download Google Chrome for Linux | Dec 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 10 00:26 |
| cubezzz | Maybe Google could become Microsoft as it should have been | Dec 10 00:26 |
| oiaohm | google not a big threat. | Dec 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Dec 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | There are many companies that pose a threat | Dec 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | IBM for servers.. HP... Apple | Dec 10 00:26 |
| oiaohm | If google was determined to do harm it would just not index there competitors. | Dec 10 00:26 |
| cubezzz | microsoft spiders my site for bing | Dec 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Or burry them so deep in the list that no one would stand a hope of finding them. | Dec 10 00:27 |
| cubezzz | and I'm pretty much a Linux site | Dec 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | You do some searching on bing for some Linux stuff and you see exacty that going on. | Dec 10 00:27 |
| _goblin | right im off for the night.....another early start....take care all. | Dec 10 00:27 |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 10 00:27 | |
| Guest4689 | as long as google do not hurt standards and free choice... | Dec 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Guest4689: google is interested in advertising. | Dec 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | And indexing. | Dec 10 00:28 |
| cubezzz | ok, search for cubeman on bing and tell me who is number one :) | Dec 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Not following standards is a pain in the ass for them Guest4689 | Dec 10 00:28 |
| Guest4689 | how I know that | Dec 10 00:29 |
| oiaohm | free choice no company can be trusted to 100 percent support that. | Dec 10 00:29 |
| Guest4689 | thats why I dont have a problem with google | Dec 10 00:29 |
| Guest4689 | for now | Dec 10 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Other wise how do they sell there products good points. | Dec 10 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Without pointing out there flaws. | Dec 10 00:29 |
| cubezzz | actually I'm a bit surprised at that | Dec 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Basically there is a limitation to how good you can be. | Dec 10 00:30 |
| cubezzz | I can't say I have any big problem with google | Dec 10 00:30 |
| cubezzz | it's been pretty much all good | Dec 10 00:30 |
| Guest4689 | I mean, before google map, we were stuck on mapquest | Dec 10 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Google did keep a big set of Linux kernel alterations to themselves | Dec 10 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Company greed google is not free of it. | Dec 10 00:31 |
| oiaohm | But compared to MS is nothing. | Dec 10 00:31 |
| cubezzz | I like Sharp and Panasonic too | Dec 10 00:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thats me done for the night I think... | Dec 10 00:32 | |
| oiaohm | Part of the problem people have unrealisitce ideas about a free market. | Dec 10 00:32 |
| oiaohm | the true part of a free market some companies will get crushed in a process of fair competion for not staying ahead of the game. | Dec 10 00:33 |
| Guest4689 | no, it is mainly greed and monopolies that is corrupting a good free market | Dec 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Its the companies that get crushed due to unfair competion. | Dec 10 00:33 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091209/0039047258.shtml | Dec 10 00:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm still kind of surprised that Microsoft took over so much | Dec 10 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Not following standard and patents demanding too high of payment are too of the major causes of unfair competition. | Dec 10 00:34 |
| cubezzz | it's taking forever to get back to normal | Dec 10 00:34 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: I am not. | Dec 10 00:34 |
| oiaohm | The regulators did not act early. | Dec 10 00:34 |
| Guest4689 | the regulators were bought early | Dec 10 00:35 |
| oiaohm | And a lot of people did not care about the home/small business. | Dec 10 00:35 |
| cubezzz | yeah, that was surprising to me | Dec 10 00:35 |
| oiaohm | No Guest4689 | Dec 10 00:35 |
| cubezzz | they were ready to break them up | Dec 10 00:35 |
| Guest4689 | yes but then? | Dec 10 00:35 |
| cubezzz | appeal I guess | Dec 10 00:35 |
| oiaohm | 4 appeals in fact in the USA. | Dec 10 00:36 |
| cubezzz | the remedy was changed to something else | Dec 10 00:36 |
| oiaohm | But the action was still late. | Dec 10 00:36 |
| cubezzz | I guess the states all got money or software in the end | Dec 10 00:36 |
| Guest4689 | yup, they managed to stall the regulatory process | Dec 10 00:36 |
| Guest4689 | like the iso process | Dec 10 00:36 |
| Guest4689 | etc etc | Dec 10 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Not in the EU Guest4689 | Dec 10 00:37 |
| cubezzz | is the EU stuff all resolved? | Dec 10 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Nop cubezzz | Dec 10 00:37 |
| Guest4689 | well, the whole IE in EU is going to get stalled too | Dec 10 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Not really Guest4689 | Dec 10 00:37 |
| cubezzz | they have that windows7 with IE don't they? | Dec 10 00:37 |
| cubezzz | without | Dec 10 00:38 |
| oiaohm | In the USA case MS threated to go off sore if MS kept the anti-trust case up Guest4689 | Dec 10 00:38 |
| oiaohm | MS did the same with the EU | Dec 10 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Only one catch EU enforcement is more dog with bone. | Dec 10 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Even if you run to another country they will try to prosecute you there. | Dec 10 00:39 |
| Guest4689 | any exemple to that? | Dec 10 00:39 |
| Guest4689 | at least with big $$ business | Dec 10 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm.. Grauniad is down | Dec 10 00:40 |
| oiaohm | When MS threated to close there EU offices. The EU came to USA and got the USA courts to grant taking the fines directly out of the USA company of MS. | Dec 10 00:40 |
| cubezzz | anyone from Europe know, that win7 is without IE? | Dec 10 00:40 |
| cubezzz | or with? | Dec 10 00:40 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: it ment to have a ballet screen giving a user a selection at some point cubezzz | Dec 10 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Current dispute is what order | Dec 10 00:40 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: what's Win7? | Dec 10 00:40 |
| cubezzz | windows 7 | Dec 10 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Ah, that *thing*... | Dec 10 00:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't use Windows, ever | Dec 10 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Computers should come with just hardware | Dec 10 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Guest4689: basically EU has antitrust against you run you will die. | Dec 10 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Then you can choose an OS with a Web browser | Dec 10 00:41 |
| cubezzz | yes, I would prefer that too | Dec 10 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Still down.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/06/copenhagen-climate-change-himalayas | Dec 10 00:42 |
| cubezzz | that's the way it was in the Kim-1 and Altair days | Dec 10 00:42 |
| schestowitz | If I go buy a vase I don't get Coke in it | Dec 10 00:42 |
| oiaohm | I think the EU plan it to pick on MS repeatly its profitable. | Dec 10 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I want to put flowers in it, not water with acids and GM sugar | Dec 10 00:43 |
| Guest4689 | roy: I'm stuck on XP... | Dec 10 00:43 |
| cubezzz | I don't use windows for personal use | Dec 10 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Guest4689: Did you try restarting? :-) | Dec 10 00:43 |
| oiaohm | I have not used windows for anything other than work for years. | Dec 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | And since I am a IT tech I really don't have an option. | Dec 10 00:44 |
| Guest4689 | thats for work, and that is what is anyoning me | Dec 10 00:44 |
| cubezzz | that's the tough part, yes | Dec 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | IT tech/network admin.... I basically have more titles than I really want. | Dec 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Scary one is data recovery expert. | Dec 10 00:44 |
| cubezzz | if I go to chapters book store and use the computers there I am using doze | Dec 10 00:44 |
| Guest4689 | im kind of the unofficial IT guys too... | Dec 10 00:44 |
| cubezzz | ok, let me use Amiga as another example... | Dec 10 00:45 |
| Guest4689 | data recovery a great one | Dec 10 00:45 |
| Guest4689 | ok | Dec 10 00:45 |
| cubezzz | Amiga had AmigaDOS | Dec 10 00:45 |
| cubezzz | you didn't have a choice there either | Dec 10 00:45 |
| oiaohm | I get busted raid controllers and the like Guest4689 | Dec 10 00:45 |
| oiaohm | And nightmares of NAS's to get data out of. | Dec 10 00:45 |
| cubezzz | later on you could put Linux or BSD on the newer Amigas | Dec 10 00:45 |
| cubezzz | the choice was not there initially | Dec 10 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes NAS are the one time I am working with a multent Linux from hell. | Dec 10 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Some nas's don't have firmware. | Dec 10 00:46 |
| Guest4689 | what about freenas? | Dec 10 00:47 |
| cubezzz | in the 80's the choice I had was: whitebox PC, Amiga, Mac, Tandy, brand system PC, Atari | Dec 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Firmware something in the controller board to restart the system when the harddrive screwes up. | Dec 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | freenas lives on the harddrive | Dec 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Without it you have to pull the box appart put it into another computer write the disk in the right edlian so it works. | Dec 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Use the wrong edlin it aint going anywhere. | Dec 10 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Defined painful. Go | Dec 10 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Guest4689: | Dec 10 00:49 |
| Guest4689 | si? | Dec 10 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Also beware some modern day hardrives do the same crap problem as well. | Dec 10 00:50 |
| oiaohm | So when the harddrive plats screw up getting the data out is a real pain in the ass. | Dec 10 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Real expensive pain in ass | Dec 10 00:51 |
| Guest4689 | ever played with SSD ? | Dec 10 00:51 |
| oiaohm | If you use that without a backup you should be shot Guest4689 | Dec 10 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes there are ways of getting data out of non readable SSD. But one you start doing it you scare the crap out of people | Dec 10 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Like grinding threw the out case to expose the chip inside. | Dec 10 00:53 |
| Guest4689 | I was simply asking out of curiosity how it works | Dec 10 00:54 |
| oiaohm | More often than not with SSD is broken wires. | Dec 10 00:54 |
| oiaohm | You hope on the out side of the chip. | Dec 10 00:54 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean hope. | Dec 10 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Grinding threw the cermic to get to the chip is not a fun job. | Dec 10 00:55 |
| Guest4689 | what about relability on experience? | Dec 10 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Most 100 percent relablilbe unless exposed to windows with its writing errors. | Dec 10 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Until they go 100 percent splat. | Dec 10 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Ie mostly there is no half way with SSD | Dec 10 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Harddrives normally give warning before they go splat. | Dec 10 00:57 |
| oiaohm | That is if people watch the smart data on there drives. | Dec 10 00:57 |
| Guest4689 | lol | Dec 10 00:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: or they just g "splat" vocally | Dec 10 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Clunking noises | Dec 10 00:58 |
| oiaohm | No normally smart data is off before the Clunking starts schestowitz | Dec 10 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Normally by about 4 weeks. | Dec 10 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Plently of time to get a backup done if you are watching it. | Dec 10 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Now of course I am presuming you are using sane drives like segates. Not insane items like WD. | Dec 10 00:59 |
| Guest4689 | what you mean? | Dec 10 00:59 |
| oiaohm | WD common cause of failure is fireware on harddrive getting a bad sector. | Dec 10 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Note on harddrive. | Dec 10 01:00 |
| oiaohm | The controller in a WD drive is brain dead. | Dec 10 01:00 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot swap controllers between WD drives and expect them to work. | Dec 10 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Segates have enough firmware in the controller that if you run seatools seatools can bring a segate back to life with a different controller board. | Dec 10 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Note enough. Without running seatools the drive can still play dead. | Dec 10 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft shills are not happy with my criticism that they cite... http://msdnrss.thecoderblogs.com/2009/12/09/microsoft-web-developer-summit-2009-wrap-up/ | Dec 10 01:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MSDN Blog Postings » Blog Archive » Microsoft Web Developer Summit 2009 Wrap Up .::. Size~: 18.53 KB | Dec 10 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Basically selection of drive is important to how recoverable your data is Guest4689 | Dec 10 01:03 |
| oiaohm | They don't get it schestowitz MS lost the web battle so have to support PHP | Dec 10 01:05 |
| Guest4689 | MS will be gone anyway in 5 years so just have to be patient... | Dec 10 01:06 |
| oiaohm | 2010 is going to be intesting. | Dec 10 01:07 |
| cubezzz | they are losing ground | Dec 10 01:07 |
| oiaohm | That will tell us how many years MS has Guest4689 | Dec 10 01:07 |
| Guest4689 | 5 | Dec 10 01:07 |
| Guest4689 | maybe 4 | Dec 10 01:07 |
| trmanco | oh php :D | Dec 10 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Few distributions are lining up to hit the MS SBS market Guest4689 | Dec 10 01:07 |
| trmanco | some say it sucks... but I like it :) | Dec 10 01:08 |
| cubezzz | maybe Google can get Linux computers in the stores | Dec 10 01:08 |
| cubezzz | then, no more monoculture | Dec 10 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Take out the SBS market and MS is mostly a sitting duck. | Dec 10 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Most common reason for using Windows is giving as the means to use outlook with exchange. | Dec 10 01:09 |
| oiaohm | In the business world. | Dec 10 01:09 |
| Guest4689 | that engineering softwares | Dec 10 01:09 |
| oiaohm | If the SBS market falls MS might be lucky to have 2 years left. | Dec 10 01:10 |
| Guest4689 | but I mean, technically, MS SBS is not hard to take down with something else | Dec 10 01:10 |
| oiaohm | ADS is missing and good replacement client cross platform Guest4689 | Dec 10 01:10 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4 for windows + what Samba is upto hello trouble. | Dec 10 01:11 |
| Guest4689 | ? | Dec 10 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Basically embrace Extend exteminate. | Dec 10 01:11 |
| Guest4689 | care to explain your point of view more clearly | Dec 10 01:11 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4 for windows provide kontact and a lot of other good programs that run cross platform. | Dec 10 01:12 |
| oiaohm | So undoing most of Ms workflow lock in. | Dec 10 01:12 |
| Guest4689 | oh, QT4 apps on windows | Dec 10 01:12 |
| Guest4689 | thats what I'm currently trying to do at the office | Dec 10 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Samba is bussy working on get a ADS server out the door. | Dec 10 01:13 |
| oiaohm | A unlimited cal ADS server. | Dec 10 01:13 |
| oiaohm | By by cal counting for good Guest4689 | Dec 10 01:13 |
| oiaohm | MS is currently trying to build the next road block around sharepoint. | Dec 10 01:14 |
| Guest4689 | dont what to sound stupid, but what is an ADS server for you? | Dec 10 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Active Directory Server the thing that hands out group policies and is able to trigger a windows machine to install software automaticaly | Dec 10 01:15 |
| Guest4689 | ah ok | Dec 10 01:15 |
| schestowitz | phIRCe-local runs on PHP | Dec 10 01:16 |
| Guest4689 | I tought their was already a few good tool on linux for that? | Dec 10 01:16 |
| schestowitz | For desktop stuff... some dude called Tony made it | Dec 10 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Guest4689: This is Linux controlling the windows clients | Dec 10 01:16 |
| trmanco | LOOL | Dec 10 01:16 |
| trmanco | some dude heh | Dec 10 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Not Linux deciding to play nice in a windows network Guest4689 | Dec 10 01:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thus the rename of KDE | Dec 10 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Sofwtare Compilation | Dec 10 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Cause more programs will become x-plat like Mozilla | Dec 10 01:17 |
| oiaohm | We are going to see in 2010 a true closed vs open source | Dec 10 01:17 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Tony Hawks, IIRC | Dec 10 01:18 |
| oiaohm | And the battle in 2010 is not going to have boarders. | Dec 10 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Currently most open source stuff is on Linux and most closed stuff is on windows. | Dec 10 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Africa knows what Rich Uncle from America is up to... http://blog.givewell.net/?p=437 | Dec 10 01:18 |
| oiaohm | And Mac OS X is in the gap of nothingness. | Dec 10 01:18 |
| Guest4689 | how, but I mean, it is actually possible to really managed windows desktops?... | Dec 10 01:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Mac OS X is niche | Dec 10 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS X will stay strong in some tich countries | Dec 10 01:19 |
| schestowitz | *rich | Dec 10 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Guest4689: as good as ADS allows Ok not perfect. | Dec 10 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Freeipa coming for Linux Solarais freebsd and Mac os makes ADS system look like crap. | Dec 10 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't ever see what group policies in windows can do. | Dec 10 01:21 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: LOL | Dec 10 01:21 |
| schestowitz | When you live in Nigeria with a 1.2 GHz CPU and no GPU, then Vista 7 means nothing to you (let alone Apple, which hardly exists anywhere) | Dec 10 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Like having applications install and uninstall themselves from machines just because different users logged in Guest4689 | Dec 10 01:21 |
| schestowitz | It's funny that Mac fans are deluded as to their generalisation | Dec 10 01:21 |
| schestowitz | They extrapolate | Dec 10 01:21 |
| Guest4689 | i cant wait for gnu juggler | Dec 10 01:21 |
| schestowitz | And stupid lies about US market division they assume to be global | Dec 10 01:22 |
| trmanco | better use windows 7 in text mode | Dec 10 01:22 |
| trmanco | ctrl+alt+back.... err right :| no killable X equivalent is there? | Dec 10 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Also most don't get that most of Linux life it has not tried proper for the desktop. | Dec 10 01:22 |
| oiaohm | ctrl+alt+backspace should be retired and replaced with SAK trmanco | Dec 10 01:22 |
| trmanco | windows tries to run as a unique "program" and that stinks | Dec 10 01:23 |
| trmanco | SAK? | Dec 10 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Of course distributions would be too dump to assign kernel based SAK to ctrl+alt+backspace so users renalbe control+alt+backspace in X11 that does not work weell | Dec 10 01:23 |
| oiaohm | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/SAK.txt | Dec 10 01:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Kernel Documentation :: SAK.txt .::. Size~: 27.03 KB | Dec 10 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. I've just realised something.... | Dec 10 01:24 |
| oiaohm | SAK the magical key combiatnio that kills everything linked to the current VT trmanco | Dec 10 01:24 |
| schestowitz | In the panels in KDE, amarok icon has scroller actions | Dec 10 01:24 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean everything. | Dec 10 01:24 |
| schestowitz | It controls volume for amarok like the volume controller does master volume (since years ago) | Dec 10 01:24 |
| oiaohm | If you ahve a textbased login screen it will terminate that as well. | Dec 10 01:25 |
| trmanco | for that | Dec 10 01:25 |
| oiaohm | anything locked up is dead meant. | Dec 10 01:25 |
| trmanco | we have the magic key called sysrq | Dec 10 01:25 |
| schestowitz | meat? | Dec 10 01:25 |
| trmanco | on some letter | Dec 10 01:25 |
| trmanco | and* | Dec 10 01:25 |
| oiaohm | sysrq has a SAK as well. | Dec 10 01:25 |
| oiaohm | But it not as memory clean. | Dec 10 01:25 |
| trmanco | K | Dec 10 01:26 |
| oiaohm | And if the SAK's don't work nothing is going to work because the kernel has to be stuffed. | Dec 10 01:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.susegeek.com/general/linux-kernel-magic-sysrq-keys-in-opensuse-for-crash-recovery/ | Dec 10 01:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Kernel Magic SysRq keys in openSUSE for crash recovery | SUSE & openSUSE .::. Size~: 42.22 KB | Dec 10 01:26 |
| trmanco | I used reisub today :| | Dec 10 01:26 |
| schestowitz | susegeek just froze... http://www.susegeek.com/ | Dec 10 01:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: SUSE & openSUSE tutorials,howtos,tips,tricks, troublehooting .::. Size~: 39.31 KB | Dec 10 01:27 |
| trmanco | X died on me for some reason... black screen... it was due to firefox and quake... I could go to any tty's :| | Dec 10 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is where SAK is great trmanco | Dec 10 01:27 |
| trmanco | I didn't know about the K key | Dec 10 01:28 |
| oiaohm | X11 zap depends on X11 working. | Dec 10 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Very unsafe presume. | Dec 10 01:28 |
| oiaohm | I like how some distributions and people made out it was because users were hitting cntrl-alt-backspace by mistake. | Dec 10 01:28 |
| trmanco | that wasn't working | Dec 10 01:29 |
| trmanco | and I have zap active | Dec 10 01:29 |
| oiaohm | If you read the patch log is that cntrl-alt-backspace is not dependable. | Dec 10 01:29 |
| trmanco | I think :| | Dec 10 01:29 |
| oiaohm | And you should have sak setup instead. | Dec 10 01:29 |
| trmanco | Section "ServerFlags" | Dec 10 01:30 |
| trmanco | Option "DontZap" "False" | Dec 10 01:30 |
| trmanco | EndSection | Dec 10 01:30 |
| trmanco | :) | Dec 10 01:30 |
| trmanco | I'll use the 'k' key next time | Dec 10 01:30 |
| trmanco | and see if it works | Dec 10 01:30 |
| oiaohm | No setup sak proper. | Dec 10 01:30 |
| oiaohm | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/SAK.txt Its assignable to what ever key combintion you like. | Dec 10 01:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Kernel Documentation :: SAK.txt .::. Size~: 27.03 KB | Dec 10 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Also the sak I am point to does not need sysrq enabled in kernel trmanco | Dec 10 01:32 |
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| oiaohm | Basically distributions have failed to do the right thing when X11 zapping was removed. | Dec 10 01:33 |
| shreddar | http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/1996-01-17/ | Dec 10 01:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dilbert comic strip for 01/17/1996 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive. .::. Size~: 20.48 KB | Dec 10 01:33 |
| shreddar | LOL Scott Adams knew the deal. | Dec 10 01:34 |
| trmanco | I see | Dec 10 01:34 |
| oiaohm | He could have known it first hand shreddar | Dec 10 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Remember the wessels you see in Dilbert comic strips was the job he use todo. | Dec 10 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | This is cool: http://www.mozilla-enigmail.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=424 | Dec 10 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | I'll probably move to TB3 in the morning.... | Dec 10 01:37 |
| trmanco | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_32#head-11f54cdac41ad6150ef817fd68597554d9d05a5f | Dec 10 01:37 |
| trmanco | this sounds neat | Dec 10 01:37 |
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| oiaohm | No I want to shot that trmanco | Dec 10 01:38 |
| trmanco | why? | Dec 10 01:39 |
| oiaohm | Remember it builds exactly what is pluged in at the time. | Dec 10 01:39 |
| trmanco | it makes my life a lot easier if I want to compile my own custom kernel | Dec 10 01:39 |
| trmanco | yes | Dec 10 01:39 |
| oiaohm | What about the network card or other item you decide to plugin the next day. | Dec 10 01:40 |
| trmanco | if you add new hardware, load the distro kernel and compile it new one again :-P | Dec 10 01:40 |
| trmanco | the* | Dec 10 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Or what I do. | Dec 10 01:40 |
| schestowitz | http://pcplus.techradar.com/node/3147/ | Dec 10 01:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sharma: Ubuntu Misses A Trick | PC Plus .::. Size~: 32.28 KB | Dec 10 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Is rip the harddrive out of one machine and drop in another and keep on going trmanco | Dec 10 01:40 |
| schestowitz | It's like a repeat^ | Dec 10 01:40 |
| trmanco | that is not a good idea | Dec 10 01:40 |
| trmanco | yes, it has it's disadvantages | Dec 10 01:41 |
| trmanco | but it is not as bad as you seem to describe it | Dec 10 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Linux copes quite well with being rehomed as long as it has drivers. | Dec 10 01:41 |
| oiaohm | And you take network cards with harddrive. | Dec 10 01:41 |
| oiaohm | It does not build items like USB video caputure drivers either trmanco | Dec 10 01:42 |
| oiaohm | Lot of little things you can forget to have pluged use that option and have it kicking you. | Dec 10 01:42 |
| oiaohm | There need to be one extract and configure options of kernel right and then build all sane drivers as modules. | Dec 10 01:43 |
| shreddar | trmanco I could've used localmodconfig years ago. | Dec 10 01:43 |
| trmanco | yesterday I had an interesting night | Dec 10 01:43 |
| trmanco | the sun virtualbox kernel modules were inflating the kernel memory consumption by two times | Dec 10 01:44 |
| shreddar | Now I don't hardware configurations and a nice update system means I won't have to. | Dec 10 01:44 |
| oiaohm | That reminds me I have to update the firmware on this machine so powermanagement works. | Dec 10 01:45 |
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| trmanco | I even have some loaded modules that I don't know what they are for | Dec 10 01:49 |
| trmanco | like this one | Dec 10 01:49 |
| trmanco | lp 8964 0 | Dec 10 01:49 |
| trmanco | oh | Dec 10 01:52 |
| trmanco | printing | Dec 10 01:52 |
| trmanco | :| | Dec 10 01:52 |
| trmanco | I have no printer | Dec 10 01:52 |
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| cubezzz | I monitor my modules and noticed I have acm loaded | Dec 10 02:07 |
| cubezzz | odd, wasn't in there before | Dec 10 02:08 |
| schestowitz | See you in the morning | Dec 10 02:09 |
| cubezzz | later | Dec 10 02:10 |
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| cubezzz | and something to do with the bios called dmi_scan | Dec 10 02:20 |
| cubezzz | "SM BIOS DMI Scanner" | Dec 10 02:22 |
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| shreddar | Hey Opera is kind of using my idea I had sort of. | Dec 10 02:43 |
| shreddar | http://www.opera.com/browser/tips/?feature=visualtabs | Dec 10 02:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Opera: browser tips .::. Size~: 9.5 KB | Dec 10 02:43 |
| shreddar | I don't like the implimentation but I like the idea of being able to replace tabs with something more transparent. | Dec 10 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: Opera really has never supported just tabs | Dec 10 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | they dumbed down the MSI to make it easier for Mozilla users to grasp | Dec 10 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | errr MDI | Dec 10 02:48 |
| shreddar | Stupid Mozilla users... | Dec 10 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | really Opera has always supported multiple instances of the browser within one application | Dec 10 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | made a hell of a lot more sense than opening up a new window for each page | Dec 10 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | which is what all other browsers did, including Mozilla Suite | Dec 10 02:49 |
| shreddar | I remeber using that when I first heard about it. | Dec 10 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | especially when you consider that Windows, before XP, had no taskbar grouping | Dec 10 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | IE or Netscape or Mozilla would crap up your taskbar rapidly | Dec 10 02:49 |
| shreddar | But then they started charging for it. | Dec 10 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | all a tab is in Opera is the MDI window maximized by default | Dec 10 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | you can switch it back to the old Opera <7 behavior easily | Dec 10 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: Yeah, Opera was 30 day shareware that cost $39 to register, which I paid | Dec 10 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | then Opera 5 was $39 shareware -or- embedded ad banner | Dec 10 02:51 |
| shreddar | I don't think Tabs or Windows are intuitive or transparent enough. Compared to webpage thumbnails that is. | Dec 10 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | you could get text ads from Google and the banner portion would never annoy you and was only half as big | Dec 10 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | then Opera 8 became freeware outright | Dec 10 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | you can still pay $39 for premium support | Dec 10 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think many end users need that though | Dec 10 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | really just a way of supporting them if you want to I suppose | Dec 10 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | when it was shareware, you got all point updates for that major version number, and the next major version was discounted | Dec 10 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | so I think I paid the $39 for Opera 3.x and then $19 for each version past that | Dec 10 02:54 |
| shreddar | I also like the Wave concept for Mozilla's "reinventing the tabs in the browser" project. | Dec 10 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | it was worth it to avoid IE, Netscape, and Mozilla (before someone there had the bright idea to throw in tabs and popup blocking) | Dec 10 02:55 |
| shreddar | http://design-challenge.mozillalabs.com/summer09/ | Dec 10 02:55 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't think Mozilla is really doing a lot to improve the user experience | Dec 10 02:56 |
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| DaemonFC | they have a lot of marketing | Dec 10 02:56 |
| shreddar | I think the greatest think to happen back then was someone at Mozilla had the motivation to start a project to get ride of all the bloat ware browsers had sufferd from (some still do.) | Dec 10 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | really it seems that Firefox has not only stalled from the user experience point of view, but it's also a security hazard | Dec 10 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't make any effort to protect itself or the OS from malicious plugins or extensions | Dec 10 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | Even IE does that to some extent | Dec 10 02:58 |
| yuhong | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/09/2215253/Malware-Found-Hidden-In-Screensaver-On-Gnome-Look | Dec 10 02:58 |
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| shreddar | I see Chrome has been a reboot or restart of that idea. | Dec 10 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | I like some things about Chrome, others just disturb me | Dec 10 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | I don't trust it, so I don't use it | Dec 10 02:58 |
| yuhong | I said once that Firefox plug-ins have the same fundemental security flaw as ActiveX. | Dec 10 02:59 |
| shreddar | I don't blame you. Google does like to have more information than most people would be confortable giving away. | Dec 10 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: They go about taking it in small pieces that really don't set off alarms for most people | Dec 10 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | if they came out and told everyone what they were doing in plain English, people would feel differently | Dec 10 03:01 |
| cubezzz | why don't you trust Chrome? | Dec 10 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: A number of reasons | Dec 10 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | No cookie control, no ad blocking mechanism, every letter you type in the address bar is sent to them for search suggestions | Dec 10 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | funnels you to Google sites where you sign in and forget your signed in | Dec 10 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | so now Google can personally profile you easier | Dec 10 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | if you look at the list of bad behavior in Chrome that SRWare Iron disables, you won't be comfortable with Chrome either | Dec 10 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years ago, Chrome would have been flagged as spyware | Dec 10 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | this whole silly consent thing is a red herring if all the bad behavior is on page 57 of the EULA in misleading legalese | Dec 10 03:05 |
| yuhong | Ultimately it is about how Google uses the info though. | Dec 10 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose that if you have a law degree and sit there for an hour or so reading the EULA before you install Chrome, you've consented | Dec 10 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | but even then they make you agree that they can change what you agreed to with no further consent on your part | Dec 10 03:07 |
| yuhong | Except that the word spyware did not exist in 1999. | Dec 10 03:07 |
| shreddar | DaemonFC what do you think of Iron? | Dec 10 03:08 |
| yuhong | And people do trust Google. | Dec 10 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | would you sign a contract that said "We can make any change we want to this contract at any time with no notification sent to you, and the changes are retroactive to the point you signed this contract"? | Dec 10 03:08 |
| cubezzz | I trust them more than I trust Microsoft :) | Dec 10 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | Iron is a good alternative to Chrome for those who don't want the browser leaking all teir private information to Google like a sieve | Dec 10 03:10 |
| yuhong | Yea, spyware often use the same tactic, but most of the spyware companies are much worse. | Dec 10 03:10 |
| shreddar | I'm sure 15 years ago someone says "I trust Microsoft more than I trust IBM" | Dec 10 03:10 |
| cubezzz | maybe, but certainly not me | Dec 10 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has been caught violating their own privacy policy quite a few times | Dec 10 03:12 |
| yuhong | Yea, that was another story I discussed in another IRC chat. | Dec 10 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | especially with regards to Windows Media Player | Dec 10 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | IE is the biggest privacy problem of all the programs bundled in Windows though | Dec 10 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | especially IE 8 | Dec 10 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | reporting each website you visit and all file downloads to Microsoft | Dec 10 03:13 |
| yuhong | I don't use IE very often even on the Windows side now. | Dec 10 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | IE 8 is probably the scariest (current) web browser out there | Dec 10 03:14 |
| cubezzz | yuhong, same here | Dec 10 03:14 |
| cubezzz | although I haven't used the windows for personal use since early 2003 | Dec 10 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | at least in Windows 7 you can turn it off and never see it again | Dec 10 03:15 |
| yuhong | I sometimes use Chrome, but more often use Firefox. | Dec 10 03:15 |
| shreddar | That reminds me of the reaction the IE9 announcment got from web developers. | Dec 10 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: I know I'll probably download the IE 9 beta | Dec 10 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | doubt I'll use it for long though | Dec 10 03:16 |
| shreddar | "Just stop making browsers" "Just use webkit" "30% compliance. Pathetic!" | Dec 10 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | I integrated IE 8 into my Windows XP disc | Dec 10 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | that and all the service packs and Media Player 11, and dozens of hotfixes :P | Dec 10 03:17 |
| yuhong | I use just plain Chrome when I do use Chrome, with none of the spying stuff disabled, in fact. | Dec 10 03:17 |
| cubezzz | "write your own browser, write your own OS" :) | Dec 10 03:19 |
| cubezzz | actually it wouldn't be too hard to make a text only browser | Dec 10 03:19 |
| yuhong | AFRIK Trident has a lot of legacy, that is why it takes so long to get the compliance rate up. | Dec 10 03:20 |
| yuhong | But many of it is needed for many IE-only intranet sites to run, and even then it is not perfect. | Dec 10 03:21 |
| cubezzz | if it's IE only we don't need it | Dec 10 03:22 |
| shreddar | “Every line of code that is written to our standards is a small victory; every line of code that is written to any other standard, is a small defeat.” | Dec 10 03:23 |
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| Diablo-D3 | heh | Dec 10 03:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | there arent many msie only anythings left. | Dec 10 03:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | too many companies run linux or osx internally | Dec 10 03:24 |
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| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: making a site IE-only when it would be just as easy to make it work n anything is stupid | Dec 10 03:25 |
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| DaemonFC | you just piss off your customers | Dec 10 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | you still have to use a lot of conditionals to compensate for IE rendering bugs | Dec 10 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | bloat the hell out of your pages | Dec 10 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see more sites telling people to get lost if they're using IE 6 | Dec 10 03:27 |
| yuhong | But many of these IE-only sites are old, and the fact that MS defaults to compatiblity mode in IE 8 for intranet only sites shows just how common they are. | Dec 10 03:28 |
| shreddar | I'd like more sites telling people to use Chrome Frame or a another browser if they're using IE period. | Dec 10 03:28 |
| shreddar | Especially when the video element become viable. | Dec 10 03:28 |
| yuhong | Yep, Google first used it in their own beta of Wave. | Dec 10 03:28 |
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| DaemonFC | Chrome Frame actually caused an IE vulnerability | Dec 10 03:31 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Yet another #Photographer harassed in the UK by #douchebag cops http://ur1.ca/hgjz #policestate | Dec 10 03:31 | |
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| shreddar | I heard that. But how does that compare to all the vulnerabilities caused by Flash or some other ActiveX plugin? | Dec 10 03:32 |
| shreddar | I also don't know how serious a threat any Chrome Frame vulnerability is compared to all the stuff IE users already deal with. | Dec 10 03:36 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] City of Indianapolis admits to illegal and criminal activity http://ur1.ca/hgk6 | Dec 10 03:36 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GlennBeck is a #douchebag AND works for a gold broker http://ur1.ca/hgk9 | Dec 10 03:36 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Malware found in third party screensaver for Gnome in a .deb http://ur1.ca/hgm0 !Debian | Dec 10 04:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | Chome Frame makes IE much more dangerous | Dec 10 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | you now have all the vulnerabilities of two rendering engines, and Chrome Frame doesn't even use the Low Privilege IE stuff at all | Dec 10 04:16 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] $70,000 Stargate Atlantis home theatre http://ur1.ca/hgmb !miotd | Dec 10 04:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] GPL Release of മലയാളഗ്രന്ഥവിവരം #മലയാളം പോസ്റ്റ് http://tr.im/HbyX | Dec 10 05:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Pramode ce's new #Python & #LaTeX book to be used as a text for the BSc Informatics paper of Calicut University http://tr.im/HbzW | Dec 10 05:11 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Democrats trying to kill public option http://ur1.ca/hgqr #douchebags | Dec 10 05:46 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] H.R. 4173, "The Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act." will protect the Federal Reserve http://ur1.ca/hgqt #douchebags #politics | Dec 10 05:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | The Bible Collection: Greatest Stories of All Time | Dec 10 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | good title | Dec 10 06:31 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @chromatic: What a shame TPF's grant to improve learn.perl.org can't actually go on learn.perl.org: http://ur1.ca/hgx5 #perl | Dec 10 08:36 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1027973 " Database error" | Dec 10 08:46 |
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| JellyKernel | Good news: | Dec 10 09:04 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Dec 10 09:04 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Dec 10 09:04 |
| JellyKernel | A new unit about Open source software will open at university in paris | Dec 10 09:05 |
| JellyKernel | http://www.zdnet.fr/blogs/l-esprit-libre/naissance-du-centre-de-formation-logiciels-libres-universite-numerique-paris-ile-de-france-39711426.htm?xtor=RSS-8 | Dec 10 09:05 |
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| JellyKernel | french link sorry :) | Dec 10 09:05 |
| JellyKernel | Can't seem to find an english version | Dec 10 09:08 |
| JellyKernel | Anyway, that just made my day :) | Dec 10 09:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hmmm.... few themes for Thunderbird have been updated to 3.0 | Dec 10 09:28 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Fortune of the Day: "Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it should be hard to understand". | Dec 10 09:31 | |
| schestowitz | OK, I'm settled in new TB | Dec 10 09:35 |
| schestowitz | Very very few themes are compatible | Dec 10 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091206/1749027222.shtml | Dec 10 10:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] There is only one annoying bug in my build of Thunbderbird 3. Settings window shows up blank. | Dec 10 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/12/07/talking-to-the-800-pound-gorilla/ | Dec 10 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | AT&T to choke your iPhone http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/att_to_throttle_mobile_bandwidth/ AT&T: Tighter control of cell data usage ahead http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iO1Mbl089JyTchsnJotLL9TR9e7AD9CFT3T80 | Dec 10 10:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: AT&T to choke your iPhone • The Register .::. Size~: 33.6 KB | Dec 10 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | Less joy for hype-phone users | Dec 10 10:27 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: This is a good article about what we were talking about yesterday: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16467 | Dec 10 10:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://openboxeebox.com/d-link-tips-linux-based-boxee-box/ | Dec 10 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | So it runs Linux after all | Dec 10 10:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm said it could be freebsd, but no... | Dec 10 10:40 |
| kecskebak | The Linux Canuck blog is the best discussion of Mono I've ever read. | Dec 10 10:42 |
| kecskebak | I'm really glad you linked to it that article | Dec 10 10:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] #Ubuntu EMEA Membership Board looking for a new !Ubuntu member to join us. http://bit.ly/5UO1Pn | Dec 10 10:55 | |
| Diablo-D3 | lol ubuntu | Dec 10 11:02 |
| MinceR | lol diablo | Dec 10 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | what? lol ubuntu. | Dec 10 11:05 |
| cubezzz | ok, as for climate change, Toronto had no snow in November | Dec 10 11:10 |
| cubezzz | and as far as I know, that's never happened since records were kept | Dec 10 11:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck, we're fucked! fuck! | Dec 10 11:13 |
| cubezzz | actually I don't mind _not_ shovelling snow | Dec 10 11:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but no snow FOREVER?! | Dec 10 11:13 |
| cubezzz | we do have snow at the moment | Dec 10 11:14 |
| cubezzz | probably in your state too :) | Dec 10 11:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, it snowed a few days ago | Dec 10 11:15 |
| cubezzz | I thought most of the world's glacier's were shrinking pretty fast | Dec 10 11:16 |
| cubezzz | so I don't quite understand this report that seems to say everything is fine | Dec 10 11:16 |
| cubezzz | my understanding is that winters are warmer now than say 1850's | Dec 10 11:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Will Intel Really Buy nVIDIA? http://ur1.ca/hha8 After nVIDIA's verbal attacks on Intel? | Dec 10 11:17 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: I, Cringely » Blog Archive » Intel Will Buy nVIDIA - Cringely on technology .::. Size~: 77.58 KB | Dec 10 11:17 |
| *Diablo-D3 retweets | Dec 10 11:19 | |
| cubezzz | "The concentrations of CO2 and methane have increased by 36% and 148% respectively since the mid-1700s" | Dec 10 11:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, I know where the methane came from | Dec 10 11:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: Will #Intel Really Buy #nVIDIA? http://ur1.ca/hha8 After nVIDIA's verbal attacks on Intel? | Dec 10 11:21 | |
| Diablo-D3 | cows. | Dec 10 11:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: I, Cringely » Blog Archive » Intel Will Buy nVIDIA - Cringely on technology .::. Size~: 77.58 KB | Dec 10 11:21 |
| cubezzz | you listen to guys like David Suzuki and it seems like the situation is dire | Dec 10 11:25 |
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| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: who? | Dec 10 11:25 |
| cubezzz | then another scientist (like the one in that link) seems to say "everything is fine" | Dec 10 11:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, Im on the fence with global warming | Dec 10 11:26 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, Canadian science and environmental activist | Dec 10 11:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | what Im against is dumping shit into the environment | Dec 10 11:26 |
| cubezzz | he probably doesn't get much TV time in the U.S. | Dec 10 11:26 |
| cubezzz | he's got all sorts of honorary degrees, including one from Unity College | Dec 10 11:28 |
| cubezzz | I don't think it's gotten colder than -24C since I've kept temperature records | Dec 10 11:30 |
| cubezzz | that is 2003 -> now | Dec 10 11:30 |
| cubezzz | not at the closest weather station anyway | Dec 10 11:31 |
| Ender2070 | climategate! | Dec 10 11:31 |
| cubezzz | -20C is pretty cold though | Dec 10 11:32 |
| Ender2070 | I think global warming is an excuse to bring in tyranny | Dec 10 11:32 |
| cubezzz | I've been out in that and it's not pleasant | Dec 10 11:32 |
| kecskebak | You have huge and powerful energy companies on one side that have a vested interest in saying it's not happening, but then financial institutions that have an interest in saying it's happening (like here http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16473). Makes it a bit hard to know what's happening. | Dec 10 11:32 |
| Ender2070 | if it exists or not | Dec 10 11:32 |
| cubezzz | it seems things are getting a bit warmer though | Dec 10 11:33 |
| Ender2070 | i've heard the sun is getting hotter | Dec 10 11:33 |
| Ender2070 | which has caused all the planets to warm up | Dec 10 11:33 |
| cubezzz | it makes sense to conserve fossil fuels | Dec 10 11:34 |
| Ender2070 | you really just have to see what side the Government/UN is on, and be skeptical of their claims | Dec 10 11:34 |
| cubezzz | even if you don't believe in global warming | Dec 10 11:34 |
| Ender2070 | yes i agree | Dec 10 11:34 |
| Ender2070 | it also doesnt hurt to replace all old lightbulbs with energy saving bulbs | Dec 10 11:35 |
| cubezzz | I see tons of people in cars by themselves | Dec 10 11:35 |
| Ender2070 | I switched all my 60w's to 13w's when I moved | Dec 10 11:35 |
| cubezzz | yes, my next computer will be more energy efficient | Dec 10 11:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Dec 10 11:35 |
| kecskebak | And not use shrink wrapped proprietary operating systems to save energy and paper :) | Dec 10 11:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | I refuse to use flourecents until they fix them | Dec 10 11:35 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think they are flourecent | Dec 10 11:36 |
| cubezzz | white LEDs are even better | Dec 10 11:36 |
| Ender2070 | LED bulbs IIRC | Dec 10 11:36 |
| Ender2070 | brighter than my old 60w's too | Dec 10 11:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one has produced a LED housing that stops the focused light problem | Dec 10 11:36 |
| Ender2070 | they are still brighter and more efficient | Dec 10 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the problem, they're brighter. | Dec 10 11:37 |
| cubezzz | nothing is as good as the sun of course | Dec 10 11:37 |
| Ender2070 | thats not usually a problem | Dec 10 11:37 |
| Ender2070 | go even lower voltage | Dec 10 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | instead of having a very diffused light that lights your room, you just have a dark room with a bright bulb in the middle. | Dec 10 11:37 |
| Ender2070 | noooo | Dec 10 11:37 |
| Ender2070 | thats not what happens | Dec 10 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | a LED is not a black body emitter, so its an issue | Dec 10 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: yes, thats exactly what happens | Dec 10 11:37 |
| Ender2070 | you want a picture? | Dec 10 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have not been pleased with any LED bulb on the market | Dec 10 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, Ive already gone that route | Dec 10 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wont buy them until they fix them | Dec 10 11:38 |
| Ender2070 | the ones I have use spiraling tubes | Dec 10 11:38 |
| cubezzz | I've got fluorescent tubes like the schools have here | Dec 10 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yeah, those suck | Dec 10 11:38 |
| Ender2070 | i got the exact same light with my 13w that I do with 60w | Dec 10 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're all one or two phosphor bulbs | Dec 10 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: uh, thats a flourecent bulb | Dec 10 11:39 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, what are you using? | Dec 10 11:39 |
| Ender2070 | thats why i said "IIRC" | Dec 10 11:39 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 10 11:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: high end incandescent | Dec 10 11:39 |
| Ender2070 | my ceiling light has a dome which I believe does what you like | Dec 10 11:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: flourecents do not suffer from the problem | Dec 10 11:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | only LEDs do. | Dec 10 11:39 |
| cubezzz | I think he doesn't like the limited wavelengths with the LEDs | Dec 10 11:40 |
| Ender2070 | so then it must be flourecent | Dec 10 11:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | CFLs have the problem that the CRI is very low | Dec 10 11:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: no | Dec 10 11:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | LEDs can produce actual 6500k light fine | Dec 10 11:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | its they're too focused | Dec 10 11:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one has produced a cheap diffusing material to put the bulbs in | Dec 10 11:40 |
| Ender2070 | im not sure on your housing conditions but mine make it pretty identical other than being slightly brighter | Dec 10 11:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: the housing is the "bulb" the LEDs go in | Dec 10 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the light itself | Dec 10 11:41 |
| cubezzz | ah, I see | Dec 10 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | most just use multiple LEDs in a single housing with some foggy or frosted plastic | Dec 10 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just doesnt work | Dec 10 11:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | you end up with an extremely bright bulb and it doesnt light up anything. | Dec 10 11:41 |
| Ender2070 | ahh that makes sense | Dec 10 11:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | black body radiators don't suffer from this issue (tungsten, halogen) | Dec 10 11:42 |
| cubezzz | http://216.154.222.249/ | Dec 10 11:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | and CFL don't due to how they're designed (a lot of tube) | Dec 10 11:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | CFLs however suffer from an entirely different problem | Dec 10 11:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | the CRI is too low | Dec 10 11:43 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Free-Software-Foundation-Drums-Up-Community-Team | Dec 10 11:43 |
| Ender2070 | FSF is looking for volunteers | Dec 10 11:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | and there is no singular phosphor that can reproduce acceptably near 6500k light. | Dec 10 11:43 |
| cubezzz | somebody must have solved that problem with the LED lights | Dec 10 11:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: they "have" | Dec 10 11:44 |
| cubezzz | they've been around for a while | Dec 10 11:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | use extremely expensive and thick housing glass | Dec 10 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | after you're done, you've pushed the efficiency down to CFL levels at five times the cost | Dec 10 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | LEDs are _perfect_ for focused light | Dec 10 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you need a bright dot that doesnt light up anything around it, LED is perfect | Dec 10 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | activity lights, etc | Dec 10 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | or flashlights with 3 or 5 watt LEDs and a directional mirror cone behind it | Dec 10 11:46 |
| cubezzz | yes, I have one of those | Dec 10 11:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | as do I | Dec 10 11:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have several actually | Dec 10 11:46 |
| cubezzz | what about a room with lots of mirrors in it? | Dec 10 11:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | doesnt work | Dec 10 11:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont want to bounce it | Dec 10 11:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | you want to diffuse it | Dec 10 11:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | black body radiators do it through the intense heat they output | Dec 10 11:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | frosted incandescents increase the diffusing additionally, but its not enough for LEDs | Dec 10 11:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | and CFLs frost themselves due to the phosphor coating on the inside | Dec 10 11:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | back to the CFL issue, the CRI is too low.... | Dec 10 11:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | [06:39:16] <Diablo-D3> and there is no singular phosphor that can reproduce acceptably near 6500k light. | Dec 10 11:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | you need about 5 | Dec 10 11:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | it took the TV industry using 5 very expensive phosophors to do it | Dec 10 11:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | so that the CRI was acceptably high and no wavelength segment was overrepresented | Dec 10 11:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you mass produced these as a bulb, it'd cost twice as much as a typical high end bulb | Dec 10 11:51 |
| cubezzz | "red surfaces being rendered particularly badly by typical phosphor based cool-white LEDs" | Dec 10 11:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | the CFL standalone bulbs with the shells around them that GE and Phillips cell use three, and the shell is an additional diffusor | Dec 10 11:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: those are hilarious, btw | Dec 10 11:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | they made all sorts of LED colors by making UV LEDs and coating them with phosphors, the kind you use in CFLs | Dec 10 11:52 |
| cubezzz | "LEDs do not approximate a “point source” of light, but rather a lambertian distribution. So LEDs are difficult to use in applications requiring a spherical light field" | Dec 10 11:53 |
| cubezzz | seems obvious now | Dec 10 11:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem is, the phosphors would wear out, or could be physically damaged if not protected right | Dec 10 11:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats how they made blue leds for awhile | Dec 10 11:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | until they actually figured out how to make blue leds that didnt wear out easily | Dec 10 11:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | they make actual white light LEDs now that arent UV LEDs+phosphors | Dec 10 11:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is the kind that you see for TV and monitor LCD backlights, for example | Dec 10 11:54 |
| cubezzz | they're even sticking leds in computer fans now | Dec 10 11:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, they use no power | Dec 10 11:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, another problem with CFLs | Dec 10 11:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of shitty bulbs take too long to warm up | Dec 10 11:56 |
| cubezzz | ok you might find this interesting: | Dec 10 11:56 |
| cubezzz | "Light can be used to transmit broadband data, which is already implemented in IrDA standards using infrared LEDs. Because LEDs can cycle on and off millions of times per second, they can, in effect, become wireless routers for data transport" | Dec 10 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | lololol | Dec 10 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | irda went in, and went back out | Dec 10 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: they quit making irda devices back in the late 90s | Dec 10 11:58 |
| cubezzz | I have used irda, but not for broadband | Dec 10 11:58 |
| cubezzz | no, not so | Dec 10 11:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | "broadband" in that case is like 16mbit/sec | Dec 10 11:58 |
| cubezzz | my zaurus has irda and it's 2002 | Dec 10 11:58 |
| cubezzz | they may have stopped now, I don't know | Dec 10 11:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have | Dec 10 11:59 |
| cubezzz | do modern motherboards have irda, I suppose no? | Dec 10 11:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | "no" | Dec 10 11:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | mobos and laptops that had it hijacked a serial port | Dec 10 11:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you'd plug the irda header into the serial port | Dec 10 12:00 |
| cubezzz | yes | Dec 10 12:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then somehow your OS knew about it or some shit | Dec 10 12:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | they had irda shit on usb too | Dec 10 12:01 |
| cubezzz | ok, wikipedia seems to confirm what we are both saying: | Dec 10 12:01 |
| cubezzz | "IrDA was popular on laptops and some desktops during the late 90s through the early 2000s" | Dec 10 12:01 |
| *Diablo-D3 looks | Dec 10 12:01 | |
| Diablo-D3 | hah, wikipedia also says bluetooth replaced it | Dec 10 12:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup, it did | Dec 10 12:02 |
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| cubezzz | sometimes used where radio based technologies are unusable | Dec 10 12:03 |
| cubezzz | so you could use it as a backup data source | Dec 10 12:03 |
| cubezzz | or something :) | Dec 10 12:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | except nothing supports it anymore | Dec 10 12:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its slow as fuck | Dec 10 12:03 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I use a remote on my computer | Dec 10 12:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but thats not irda | Dec 10 12:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | although all irda devices can also do it if you want to | Dec 10 12:05 |
| cubezzz | I didn't get into it too heavily | Dec 10 12:06 |
| cubezzz | it's Actisys IR200L | Dec 10 12:06 |
| cubezzz | Consumer IR | Dec 10 12:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just boring shit | Dec 10 12:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can plug an IR receiver into my computer and use basically any universal remote with it | Dec 10 12:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/droid-unlocked/ | Dec 10 12:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Droid Has Been Rooted Now What? | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 90.57 KB | Dec 10 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Wow. It's taking me hours to find ways of doing in TB3 when I used to do in 2.0 | Dec 10 12:09 |
| cubezzz | there were even cdroms with IRDA I heard | Dec 10 12:09 |
| cubezzz | IR printers too | Dec 10 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://microsofttaxdodge.com/2009/12/sometimesdailyamanda-congdon-reports-on-microsoft.html | Dec 10 12:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Overall, Thunderbird 3 is a worthy upgrade. Some few hassles with plugins but much better altogether | Dec 10 12:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] the venue of the function is in gundert road, dr herman gundert is the author of first #malayalam #dictionary | Dec 10 12:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Malayala grandhavivaram , bibliographic database is mainly based on the work of sri km govi , a pioneer in the field of indic bibligraphy | Dec 10 12:34 | |
| cubezzz | interesting that washington state is complaining | Dec 10 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Battery made of paper charges up http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8401566.stm | Dec 10 12:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 85.91 KB | Dec 10 12:36 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: well overdue | Dec 10 12:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/ellison_mysql_compromise/ | Dec 10 12:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ellison compromises on MySQL control? • The Register .::. Size~: 30.86 KB | Dec 10 12:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The bibliography is based upon the data collection from km govi's work, brannan college library, different districts and local library index | Dec 10 12:38 | |
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| Omar87__ | Hi all. | Dec 10 12:38 |
| Omar87__ | I have this slight technical question. | Dec 10 12:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] "thalassery fortunate to have first malayalam printing press and bibliographer like sri km govi" mp balakrishnan #smc #malayalam | Dec 10 12:39 | |
| Omar87__ | Is there a free and easy way I can allow other people to remotely access my localhost to check out the Plone site I'm currently working on? | Dec 10 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Omar87__: uh, hand out your IP | Dec 10 12:40 |
| Omar87__ | huh? | Dec 10 12:40 |
| Omar87__ | Do I just give them my IP? | Dec 10 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, and NAT the port you want to your workstation | Dec 10 12:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The new search feature in Thunderbird (my Web browser too) is fantastic. It's a real "killer feature" | Dec 10 12:41 | |
| Omar87__ | How do I NAT it? | Dec 10 12:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] database contains #malayalam bibliography data from 1772 onwards. Now we formed a task force to release updates in every 6 months #smc | Dec 10 12:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] The release have 4 components . Qt based cd, django based website, bibliography database, ddc based classification method by kh hussain | Dec 10 12:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Qt based cd and django based website is implimented by @kpnunni and @freemahesh from kriyate.in and #smc | Dec 10 12:50 | |
| Omar87__ | r u there? | Dec 10 12:52 |
| Omar87__ | Diablo-D3: ? | Dec 10 12:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/184073/mozillas_thunderbird_email_client_comes_with_tabs.html | Dec 10 12:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla's Thunderbird E-mail Client Comes With Tabs - PC World Business Center .::. Size~: 60.72 KB | Dec 10 12:53 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't do rss in tabs though | Dec 10 12:53 |
| schestowitz | So ThunderBrowse is still needed | Dec 10 12:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Mgs narayanan pointing about sri km govi's involment in public #library movement. #bibliography #malayalam #smc | Dec 10 12:53 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=4760 | Dec 10 12:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Speeding up the site | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 49.92 KB | Dec 10 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... I doubt he has much load anyay | Dec 10 12:54 |
| schestowitz | *anyway | Dec 10 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Omar87__: use your router | Dec 10 12:55 |
| Omar87__ | Diablo-D3: aha | Dec 10 12:56 |
| Omar87__ | Diablo-D3: thanks. | Dec 10 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Omar87__: btw, dont use port 80 as the outside IP | Dec 10 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Dec 10 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | outside port | Dec 10 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | most ISPs block it | Dec 10 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can nat from, say, 8888 to the inside port of 80 | Dec 10 12:56 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] WTF @mangalat welcomes me as gunda of foss community (in lighter vein) | Dec 10 12:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Mgs narayanan talks about knowledge sharing practice and #copyright in literature tradition | Dec 10 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | I spent like 2 hours on Thunderbird this morning... more than anticipated... | Dec 10 13:00 |
| schestowitz | The search feature is an amazing addition and although all the crucial plug-ins are compatible, themes are not. In fact, very few themes are made compatible (as of yet). Like a handful... | Dec 10 13:00 |
| schestowitz | I can't manage to make URLs open within the same tabs the way i like it | Dec 10 13:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Mgs narayanan talks about knowledge sharing practice and #copyright in literature tradition #malayalagrandham | Dec 10 13:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SD cards now infected with Microsoft patent extortion. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/03/sd_4_roadmap/ | Dec 10 13:06 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Resending @mtah: Can you separate a programming language inventor from a serial killer? Take the quiz :) http://ur1.ca/hhlg !lo | Dec 10 13:06 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL, obama is talking about war on receiving nobel peace price . | Dec 10 13:06 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] s/price/prize | Dec 10 13:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: The SMC team is working on a bibliographic db of all books published in Malayalam between 1772 and 2000... http://ow.ly/KxRB | Dec 10 13:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Mgs narayanan: "share your knowledge and free licence your work: way to make your life more meaningful" #malayalagrandham [ed] | Dec 10 13:14 | |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Microsoft-finally-open-sources-Windows-7-USB-tool-881853.html Took long enough | Dec 10 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/yet-more-malware-found-on-gnome-look.html | Dec 10 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: does that matter? | Dec 10 13:21 |
| schestowitz | They had to | Dec 10 13:22 |
| trmanco | http://projectkickass.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sdfg.jpg | Dec 10 13:24 |
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| trmanco | http://imgur.com/hKJp2.png | Dec 10 13:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @copycense: Following movie industry, publishers to stagger releases & embargo e-books by 4 months http://bit.ly/8Zugab | Dec 10 13:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament´s Legal Affairs Committee JURI webpage full of dead links, this website is a disaster: http://i5.be/X0 | Dec 10 13:30 | |
| trmanco | http://toki-woki.net/p/scroll-clock/ | Dec 10 13:35 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Resending @rms: Is religion symptomatic of deeper problems? http://ur1.ca/hhmm | Dec 10 13:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] kh hussain, the project lead explained about the technologies process and classification system #malayalagrandham | Dec 10 13:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Tp rajeevan , writer, poet , novelist and screenplay writer , released malayalagrandham.com #malayalagrandham | Dec 10 13:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Tp rajeevan speaks about the power decentralisation through community efforts and free licensing of bibliographic db #malayalagrandham | Dec 10 14:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] tprajeevan points about the possible privatising of bibliographic work like km govi's and points how this ensures the protection of data | Dec 10 14:09 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] RS @richardsmedley: "We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable." http://bit.ly/7I1Mxv (via @imran) | Dec 10 14:36 | |
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| *amarsh04 is trying to figure out how to extract more honest and open behaviour from his electricity utility | Dec 10 14:37 | |
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| trmanco | the kernel dudes are really getting into graphics -> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc4OQ | Dec 10 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | On horoscopes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hig74yhS3SA&NR=1 | Dec 10 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Neil Tyson: If you're scientifically literate the world looks very different to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypTAxLTU24c&NR=1 | Dec 10 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: the kernel dudes | Dec 10 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Dec 10 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: the kernel dudes arent | Dec 10 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | DRM isnt "part of the kernel" | Dec 10 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | drm is very much part of mesaland, and the kernel guys have no choice but to accept changes from them | Dec 10 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I reckoned kernel means more than just the kernel now though... | Dec 10 15:02 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o2_U0ggvb8&feature=related such a sharp contrast to religious ceremonies like Jackson memorial | Dec 10 15:02 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I just wish they'd fucking get GLSL working on my radeon | Dec 10 15:08 |
| amarsh04 | which model do you have Diablo-D3? | Dec 10 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | 4850. | Dec 10 15:14 |
| amarsh04 | do you lurk in #radeonhd? | Dec 10 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | now and then. | Dec 10 15:14 |
| amarsh04 | ah ok... I've found it tedious trying to build test versions of code for my on-board radeon 3200hd | Dec 10 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | tedious? use a script. | Dec 10 15:16 |
| trmanco | I see | Dec 10 15:16 |
| amarsh04 | most of it is scripted, just not building stuff into debian packages that can be uninstalled cleanly | Dec 10 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahh, when I was doing that I didnt bother. | Dec 10 15:17 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Does #Microsoft Decide for the World? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/10/sap-oracle-lobby-round-2/ | Dec 10 15:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gates / #Microsoft #Tax Dodge and Agriculture #Monopoly Revisited http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/10/tax-reifman-progress/ | Dec 10 15:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] it seems they [EPO] are at least willing to entertain that the implementation of this business method might be patentable: http://i5.be/X7 | Dec 10 16:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Amazon Oneclick patent cousin at the EPO, a rant by Glyn Moody, note that the FFII press release on this is still pending: http://i5.be/X8 | Dec 10 16:25 | |
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| schestowitz | OK, let's look at some more news... | Dec 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Quiet today... and BN's server is knackered much of the time. Taking over a minute to load some pages up... | Dec 10 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... still server issues | Dec 10 16:50 |
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| wallc | Some great postings today on BN! | Dec 10 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Oh, really? | Dec 10 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I thought they sucked | Dec 10 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I was in an iffy mood when writing them | Dec 10 17:16 |
| wallc | Huh? | Dec 10 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Dec 10 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Spent too much time with Thunderbird today | Dec 10 17:17 |
| schestowitz | And it still doesn't do some things it used to | Dec 10 17:17 |
| wallc | Well, I thought there was some good information... | Dec 10 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm relieved to hear | Dec 10 17:18 |
| schestowitz | We also had server issues | Dec 10 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Which is always ouchy | Dec 10 17:18 |
| wallc | I've rarely used Thunderbird, it seemed too much like outlook... | Dec 10 17:18 |
| schestowitz | It's a deficiency in the design of one plugin... | Dec 10 17:19 |
| schestowitz | In both cases | Dec 10 17:19 |
| schestowitz | BN and Thunderbird | Dec 10 17:19 |
| wallc | I noticed it took a very long time to open the BN pages for a while this morning... | Dec 10 17:19 |
| schestowitz | I use Thunderbird as my browser | Dec 10 17:19 |
| schestowitz | And BN uses WordPress, which is a performance issue associated with threaded comments | Dec 10 17:20 |
| wallc | Thunderbird as your browser? | Dec 10 17:20 |
| schestowitz | ThunderBrowse, an extension to it | Dec 10 17:20 |
| wallc | Ahhh | Dec 10 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Pages as messages | Dec 10 17:21 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how I ever lived without it | Dec 10 17:21 |
| schestowitz | I thought TB's implementation of tabs would not apply just to mail | Dec 10 17:21 |
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| wallc | I can see how it would be useful... | Dec 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | It depends on one's pattern of use | Dec 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz | For me it's a lot of news-based browsing | Dec 10 17:24 |
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| wallc | This is probably a dumb question...but does TB keep each web page as if it were an email message? | Dec 10 17:28 |
| schestowitz | It can, yes | Dec 10 17:28 |
| schestowitz | But it's a pointer to a page | Dec 10 17:28 |
| wallc | ok...now I have to try it and see for myself. :o) | Dec 10 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Is there a BSD version for you? | Dec 10 17:30 |
| Ender2070 | hey schestowitz | Dec 10 17:31 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Free-Software-Foundation-Drums-Up-Community-Team | Dec 10 17:31 |
| Ender2070 | why dont you join up | Dec 10 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Is there a joining option? | Dec 10 17:32 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was just a general new wiki page | Dec 10 17:32 |
| Ender2070 | http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Community_Team | Dec 10 17:33 |
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| Ender2070 | follow the instructions | Dec 10 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I saw that. I'm not an FSF member | Dec 10 17:33 |
| Ender2070 | gotta get into the mailing list: http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsf-community-team | Dec 10 17:33 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think you have to be | Dec 10 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I'll look at it later | Dec 10 17:34 |
| Ender2070 | i didnt read that anywhere | Dec 10 17:34 |
| schestowitz | But I'm not associated with them | Dec 10 17:34 |
| Ender2070 | you dont have to be, they are looking for fresh people :) | Dec 10 17:34 |
| Ender2070 | some of the people who have applied were funny, lol they called it "open source" | Dec 10 17:34 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 10 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Open soars! | Dec 10 17:34 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think those people will get in, lol | Dec 10 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I get that on Web pages too | Dec 10 17:35 |
| schestowitz | View > page source | Dec 10 17:35 |
| schestowitz | =open source | Dec 10 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Under-da-Kimono source | Dec 10 17:35 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 10 17:38 |
| schestowitz | There seems to be an issue with identica right now | Dec 10 17:39 |
| schestowitz | lag | Dec 10 17:39 |
| Ender2070 | "You miss the point. Using software is kind of like using a drug which gives you magical super powers, the power to instantly communicate, to write without ink and to manipulate the digital world." | Dec 10 17:40 |
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| Ender2070 | such a strange analogy | Dec 10 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Not strange, abnormal :-) | Dec 10 17:45 |
| Ender2070 | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/fsf-community-team/2009-12/msg00020.html | Dec 10 17:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Re: [fsf-community-team] Re: Welcome to the "fsf-community-team" mailin .::. Size~: 8.28 KB | Dec 10 17:45 |
| Ender2070 | found it on the web | Dec 10 17:46 |
| Ender2070 | mine is there too | Dec 10 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | the health bill has decayed into a giant tax, a killing of Medicare, and the punishment for not buying expensive insurance from for profit companies | Dec 10 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo | Dec 10 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | the "public plan" is now just a government-approved private insurance plan where the companies involved still get to skim their usual 20% overhead | Dec 10 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare for everyone would have only had 1% overhead | Dec 10 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | with 99% of the money going towards care | Dec 10 17:49 |
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| DaemonFC | Medicare works differently from insurance in the way of paying for necessary procedures without arguing with you and trying to make you pay for all of it plus your premiums | Dec 10 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Dec 10 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | my aunt and grandmother both have Medicare and not once has any necessary procedure been denied | Dec 10 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I've had private health insurance and had to fight with them over everything | Dec 10 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | they even tried telling me that a sinus infection was a pre-existing condition | Dec 10 17:55 |
| Ender2070 | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/fsf-community-team/2009-12/msg00025.html <--mine | Dec 10 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | L for Linux | Dec 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | bad move, matey | Dec 10 18:04 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I bet Richard sharpens his beard as we speak | Dec 10 18:06 |
| Ender2070 | hahahaha | Dec 10 18:07 |
| Ender2070 | I've talked to RMS via email | Dec 10 18:08 |
| Ender2070 | I *might* be responsible for him bringing up Mono at the time he did | Dec 10 18:08 |
| Ender2070 | actually, this is conclusive I just went over the emails I had with him | Dec 10 18:12 |
| Ender2070 | so i hope he remembers this when going over these | Dec 10 18:13 |
| Ender2070 | I asked him about FSF Canada too as I wanted to be involved but he said there wasnt a branch for Canadians due to tax laws for non profits (people's donations are non-deductable) | Dec 10 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Years later | Dec 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | That's why i'm not agreeing with them some of the time | Dec 10 18:24 |
| Ender2070 | years later? | Dec 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | They were too late to wake up re Mono | Dec 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | /s/later/late/ | Dec 10 18:25 |
| Ender2070 | to be honest i didnt wake up till recently | Dec 10 18:25 |
| schestowitz | The FSF is too restrained | Dec 10 18:25 |
| Ender2070 | theres too much information to keep tabs on | Dec 10 18:25 |
| schestowitz | It's being "diplomatic", but TBH, I don't do that BS... I say things as they are | Dec 10 18:25 |
| schestowitz | No 'political' barriers to saying the obvious | Dec 10 18:26 |
| Ender2070 | they rely on people like us informing them as well | Dec 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Well, the thing is,.. | Dec 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | GNU needs sponsors | Dec 10 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | And they have companies like Sun and IBM giving them money | Dec 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | So it limits their behaviouir | Dec 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | *iour | Dec 10 18:26 |
| Ender2070 | not entirely | Dec 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | People describe RMS as rude, but he's the opposite | Dec 10 18:27 |
| Ender2070 | Sun can't be giving them too much money ^_^ | Dec 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what he was like decades ago, but even the "traitor" remark was a rarity | Dec 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | RMS is not cracy | Dec 10 18:28 |
| schestowitz | RMS is not crazy | Dec 10 18:28 |
| schestowitz | It's crazy what he needs to put up with | Dec 10 18:28 |
| schestowitz | The daemonisations | Dec 10 18:28 |
| Ender2070 | yes exactly | Dec 10 18:28 |
| Ender2070 | I think this is why they are putting this group together though, so they have more people out there. | Dec 10 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Like Mac fans and their Apple binary apps dabbling in that "open $ource" thing.. | Dec 10 18:28 |
| Ender2070 | specificly people who read online news sites and keep up to date | Dec 10 18:29 |
| schestowitz | And trying to knock out people who promote ethics | Dec 10 18:29 |
| Ender2070 | and blog and post comments on blogs | Dec 10 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Asay can be among them sometimes | Dec 10 18:29 |
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| Ender2070 | open sauce? | Dec 10 18:29 |
| Ender2070 | :) | Dec 10 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty easy to set up a non-profit under US tax law | Dec 10 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | you can even have all the people there making huge salaries | Dec 10 18:30 |
| Ender2070 | yeah it is | Dec 10 18:30 |
| Ender2070 | it can be abused at the same time | Dec 10 18:30 |
| Ender2070 | not saying fsf would, but others do | Dec 10 18:31 |
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| DaemonFC | technically, the FSF could pay Richard Stallman all of the donation money | Dec 10 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | and still call itself a non-profit | Dec 10 18:33 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think he can do that at this point | Dec 10 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of "non-profits" are little more than an umbrealla group to take in donations from people thinking it's a charity | Dec 10 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | so they can pay themselves huge salaries out of the funds | Dec 10 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | *umbrella | Dec 10 18:34 |
| Ender2070 | an owner of a large corp will also have huge salaries | Dec 10 18:34 |
| Ender2070 | i dont see a difference | Dec 10 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | the difference is that a corporation has to sell products | Dec 10 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | and the income is taxed twice | Dec 10 18:35 |
| Ender2070 | i would expect the owner of an organization to make a lot of money | Dec 10 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | once for the corporation and ocne from the salary | Dec 10 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | non-profits are easier to scam people out of money, and you even pay less taxes | Dec 10 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Benny Hinn's church is a non-profit | Dec 10 18:35 |
| Ender2070 | the people who work there pay income tax | Dec 10 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | perfect example of fraud | Dec 10 18:35 |
| Ender2070 | the people who make donations pay income tax | Dec 10 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, so? | Dec 10 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | the church doesn't | Dec 10 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | Hinn takes all of it before paying any taxes | Dec 10 18:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #NewZealand Technology Officer Jumps Ship, Ending More Pretense http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/10/brett-roberts-quits/ | Dec 10 18:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | the church is a fraudulant front and a tax shelter | Dec 10 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | he can buy more solid gold toilet seats and more sports cars with the taxes he didn't pay | Dec 10 18:36 |
| Ender2070 | if he really did that the IRS will be interested | Dec 10 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | they don't care | Dec 10 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | look at all his assets | Dec 10 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | he even bought himself a private plane | Dec 10 18:37 |
| Ender2070 | i bet you hes under investigation | Dec 10 18:37 |
| Ender2070 | unless he bought it all under the church's name | Dec 10 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | if the IRS did move in on him, they'd anger a million mindless Benny Hinn zombies out there | Dec 10 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | angry at the feds | Dec 10 18:38 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 10 18:38 |
| Ender2070 | he could have people working in the IRS | Dec 10 18:38 |
| Ender2070 | like scientology | Dec 10 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | Operation: Snow White | Dec 10 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Seems like identica catches up now | Dec 10 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | is what you refer to :) | Dec 10 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Lag of 1.5 hours. It will 'rain' soon. | Dec 10 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | Benny Hinn is a con artist | Dec 10 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | he strings along idiots with his "prophecies" that always fail to come true | Dec 10 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | he's not even a smart con man who would make vague prophecies that could mean anything and are open ended | Dec 10 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | Hinn said the homosexuals would all die in fire before the 1990s ended | Dec 10 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 10 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | he predicted the collapse of the US federal government before the end of the 90s too | Dec 10 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | among all kinds of natural disasters that would rip the US mainland apart as punishment from God, also due before the end of the 90s | Dec 10 18:42 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8405101.stm "The amount of tax collected has dropped steeply in the recession. " | Dec 10 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Excuse to extract more from Earth? | Dec 10 18:42 |
| schestowitz | This is stupid. | Dec 10 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | he also said a bunch of notable prophets of God would be "called home" before the 90s were over | Dec 10 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | I think when he was called onthat one he managed to name one minor televangelist that happened to die | Dec 10 18:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s and #Novell ’s “Fauxpen Source” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/10/fauxpen-source-novell-mono/ | Dec 10 18:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | he said seven major ones would | Dec 10 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | Hinn is also a phoney faith healer | Dec 10 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | he uses the donation money to his church to live an extravagant lifestyle | Dec 10 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | and persuades poor elderly people on Social Security to send him what may well be their last money, hoping for a miracle | Dec 10 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | he's a bottom feeder | Dec 10 18:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Gift Ideas That Incorporate #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/hi4o | Dec 10 18:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Audiocasts http://ur1.ca/hgai http://ur1.ca/hi4q http://ur1.ca/hi4r | Dec 10 18:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BECTA Challenged to Embrace #GNU #Linux for Schools http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2689&blogid=17 | Dec 10 18:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Defended as Secure Desktop http://www.esecurityplanet.com//article.phpr/3851986/ | Dec 10 18:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Annual Roundups of GNU/Linux Progress http://ur1.ca/hi5c http://ur1.ca/hi5d http://ur1.ca/hi5e | Dec 10 18:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Boxee Box Confirmed to be Running #GNU #Linux http://openboxeebox.com/d-link-tips-linux-based-boxee-box/ | Dec 10 18:47 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Dec 10 18:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco and #IBM Spread #GNU #Linux on New Range of Servers http://ur1.ca/hi5t http://ur1.ca/hi5u | Dec 10 18:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Chromium OS Now Runs from a #USB Stick http://www.pcworld.com/article/184157/need_fast_web_access_try_chromium_os_on_a_stick.html | Dec 10 18:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great #Graphics Features Enter Next #Linux (Version 2.6.33) http://ur1.ca/hi6e http://ur1.ca/hi6g | Dec 10 18:48 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: IBM's newest mainframe is all Linux .::. Size~: 133.8 KB | Dec 10 18:48 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] A Great Present In The Linux 2.6.33 Kernel .::. Size~: 20.44 KB | Dec 10 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | That's identica coming back to life... feeding twitter in lumps... downtime maybe | Dec 10 18:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Games Come to #GNU #Linux : #BentBend, Blood Frontier http://ur1.ca/hi74 http://ur1.ca/hi75 | Dec 10 18:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora Adopts #Git (Same as #Linux ) http://jkeating.livejournal.com/76407.html | Dec 10 18:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Turns to #Windows Users for Staged Migration to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/hi7d | Dec 10 18:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Releases #SPICE for #Virtualisation Strategy on Desktops http://ur1.ca/hi7i | Dec 10 18:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of #Ubuntu Server 9.10 and #Linux #Mint 8 http://ur1.ca/hi7k http://ur1.ca/hi7l | Dec 10 18:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pandora #Linux -powered #Console Demonstrated in Video, Launch Imminent http://ur1.ca/hi7u | Dec 10 18:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ThinClient to Run #GNU #Linux (DeTOS) http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Devon-IT-SafeBook-E5400X/?kc=rss | Dec 10 18:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #Droid Liberated from #Google #Verizon #Motorola http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/droid-unlocked/ | Dec 10 18:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sugar (on #Fedora GNU/Linux) Receives Great #Review http://ur1.ca/hi80 http://ur1.ca/hi83 | Dec 10 18:50 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Grow in Choice and Market Size http://ur1.ca/hi87 http://ur1.ca/hi89 | Dec 10 18:50 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: 10 Netbook-oriented Linux Distributions... and Counting | TECH SOURCE FROM BOHOL .::. Size~: 106.74 KB | Dec 10 18:50 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 9-Digit Userbase for #OpenOffice .org, http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/12/09/open-offices-market-share-in-my-circle-of-influence/ | Dec 10 18:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Thunderbird 3.0 Has Features Outlook Still Lacks http://ur1.ca/hfoa | Dec 10 18:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Seen as Mature in Business Intelligence http://ur1.ca/hi8o | Dec 10 18:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BSD and #GNU Find and Look for More Glory http://ur1.ca/hi8t http://ur1.ca/hi8w | Dec 10 18:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #JavaScript Grows in Impact Among Today's Applications, #Google Contributes http://ur1.ca/hi8x | Dec 10 18:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US #Government Debates Openness ( #OpenAccess ) http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/E9-29322.htm | Dec 10 18:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship Attempts Against @Wikileaks and Bloggers http://ur1.ca/hi9g http://ur1.ca/hi9h | Dec 10 18:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon Seeks to Harm the World with More Outrageous Monopolies http://ur1.ca/hi9j | Dec 10 18:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft (and #Google ) Sued by Intellectual Monopolists for Spreading Torrent Information http://ur1.ca/hi9m | Dec 10 18:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I has written a new uncyclopedia article! http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Lotus_Notes | Dec 10 18:56 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 10 19:28 |
| Ender2070 | KMail is still better | Dec 10 19:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just filed my first bug in Ubuntu Lucid (10.04). Plenty of time for it to be fixed :) http://bit.ly/4PBPni | Dec 10 19:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bug #495175 in ubiquity (Ubuntu): “[lucid] ubi-language crashes after self updating then moving forward” .::. Size~: 34.87 KB | Dec 10 19:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] A tip for e-commerce sites, don't force customers to add items to their basket and click through lots of crap just to see the delivery cost. | Dec 10 19:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I just read an article stating that a lot of Christian TV channels don't want a "decency" law that lets subscribers choose what cable channels they get | Dec 10 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | they fear that it would backfire and people will ditch or not subscribe to the religious channels | Dec 10 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Dec 10 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | I use the parental controls on my box to lock out all the televangelism networks | Dec 10 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | What I hate is when I accidentally tune into one and then can't look away cause it's like a trainwreck | Dec 10 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | so this prevents that problem from occurring | Dec 10 20:04 |
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| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 10 20:28 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Prediction: Next big star: Kofi Kingston http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofi_Kingston and he shares his birthday with me! (Aug14)! #wwe | Dec 10 20:34 | |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 10 21:23:25 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Dec 10 21:23 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Dec 10 21:23 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Nov 29 20:53:52 2009 | Dec 10 21:23 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Dec 10 21:23 | |
| schestowitz | BN server been up for 100 days | Dec 10 21:24 |
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| ender2070 | http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Group:FSF/Community_Team/Planning#Participants | Dec 10 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: thanks for reminding me | Dec 10 21:48 |
| *schestowitz listens to http://www.tuxradar.com/files/podcast/tuxradar_s01e23.ogg | Dec 10 21:48 | |
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| schestowitz | FSF the red planet... red threat /sarcasm | Dec 10 21:49 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091209/0411047264.shtml | Dec 10 21:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Is Everyone Who Received Monday's Metro Toronto Guilty Of Child Porn Possession? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 74.86 KB | Dec 10 21:50 |
| schestowitz | haaaaaa :-) http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1208/p09s06-coop.html | Dec 10 21:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The patent system: End it, don't mend it | csmonitor.com .::. Size~: 82.4 KB | Dec 10 21:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091209/1824537279.shtml | Dec 10 21:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google And Microsoft Sued For Linking, Indirectly, To Infringing Music | Techdirt .::. Size~: 36.33 KB | Dec 10 21:58 |
| ender2070 | I love how konversation lets me directly right click that ogg and save link | Dec 10 22:00 |
| ender2070 | :) | Dec 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | It's not a very good show | Dec 10 22:05 |
| ender2070 | im still listening to something else anyways | Dec 10 22:06 |
| ender2070 | this guy will blow your mind | Dec 10 22:06 |
| ender2070 | http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/05may/RIR-090517.php | Dec 10 22:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Red Ice Creations Radio - Anthony Peake - Cheating The Ferryman & The Daemon .::. Size~: 16.18 KB | Dec 10 22:06 |
| ender2070 | his theory is that we live our life over and over again | Dec 10 22:07 |
| ender2070 | sort of like reincarnation | Dec 10 22:07 |
| ender2070 | but your own life | Dec 10 22:07 |
| ender2070 | and says your inner self will warn you and save your life sometimes | Dec 10 22:08 |
| ender2070 | because it knows the future | Dec 10 22:08 |
| ender2070 | very deep stuff | Dec 10 22:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/reacting_to_sec.html | Dec 10 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: sounds flippant | Dec 10 22:21 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: the beginning seems too crazy | Dec 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Reminds of some Brit who said some humans are alients | Dec 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | *iens | Dec 10 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://americas.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/69124 | Dec 10 22:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/08/tamiflu-swine-flu-roche | Dec 10 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I'm meeting more people wary of those shots | Dec 10 22:32 |
| schestowitz | RMS links to: Are we better off without religion? < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/dec/08/religion-society-gregory-paul > | Dec 10 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: what's up? | Dec 10 22:34 |
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| _goblin | hi! | Dec 10 22:36 |
| _goblin | just had to reboot this Ubuntu rig after updates | Dec 10 22:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: All fool's day. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/23004.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/536796.html | Dec 10 22:44 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: reddragdiva | All fool's day. .::. Size~: 27.71 KB | Dec 10 22:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: reddragdiva: All fool's day. .::. Size~: 18.74 KB | Dec 10 22:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/10/google-and-yahoo-to-kick-sex-offenders-off-social-networks | Dec 10 22:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google And Yahoo To Kick Sex Offenders Off Social Networks | WebProNews .::. Size~: 33.46 KB | Dec 10 22:45 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I thought it was ISP | Dec 10 22:45 |
| _goblin | ISP? | Dec 10 22:46 |
| _goblin | ah | Dec 10 22:46 |
| _goblin | I see | Dec 10 22:46 |
| _goblin | no, O2 has just got rubbish DNS servers. | Dec 10 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I know... | Dec 10 22:47 |
| _goblin | using GoogleDNS at the mo 8.8.4.4 | Dec 10 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Why OpenDNS though | Dec 10 22:47 |
| schestowitz | ? | Dec 10 22:47 |
| MinceR | why not OpenDNS? | Dec 10 22:47 |
| _goblin | just so I can say Ive used it....I covered GoogleDNS on my site | Dec 10 22:47 |
| _goblin | normally I am OpenDNS | Dec 10 22:47 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 10 22:47 |
| _goblin | got ChromeOS to look at too. | Dec 10 22:48 |
| _goblin | oh and surprise surprise....the Wave poll which had Ubuntu v Windows roughly even on the stats has disapeared. | Dec 10 22:49 |
| _goblin | 2nd one to "disapear" | Dec 10 22:49 |
| _goblin | looks like the faithful have arrived. | Dec 10 22:49 |
| MinceR | what could have caused it to disappear? | Dec 10 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/10/hmrc_it/ | Dec 10 22:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Tax dodgers aided by old IT • The Register .::. Size~: 26.49 KB | Dec 10 22:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: 'naughty' results? | Dec 10 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Hehehehe: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/10/epson_extreme_gaming/ | Dec 10 22:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Epson models wearable PlayStation 3 • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 24.33 KB | Dec 10 22:53 |
| MinceR | naughty by whose values? | Dec 10 22:55 |
| MinceR | do you mean 'naughty' as 'one side getting too many votes for someone's preferences' or something else? | Dec 10 22:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/10/real_time_dns_directory/ | Dec 10 22:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OpenDNS taunts Google with real-time directory • The Register .::. Size~: 30.19 KB | Dec 10 22:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: non-propagandist | Dec 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | WHose advert is it? | Dec 10 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is used to messages having an agenda | Dec 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/health-insures-caught-paying-facebook-users-virtual-currency-to-send-letters-to-congress-opposing-reform-bill-2009-12 | Dec 10 22:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Health Insurers Caught Paying Facebook Gamers Virtual Currency To Oppose Reform Bill .::. Size~: 125.01 KB | Dec 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/12/06/in_glitzy_shadows_a_health_reform_foe_lurks/ | Dec 10 22:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: In glitzy shadows, a health reform foe lurks - The Boston Globe .::. Size~: 44.61 KB | Dec 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8747 | Dec 10 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://galactic-dev.livejournal.com/360579.html | Dec 10 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Malicious-Screensaver-Malware-on-Gnome-Look.org | Dec 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | There is also malware _in_ GNOME... called mono | Dec 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Badware... bad-software | Dec 10 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.daniweb.com/news/story245152.html | Dec 10 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc5MA | Dec 10 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | Cool! | Dec 10 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Free graphics out of the box as loadable module, I reckon | Dec 10 23:11 |
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| MinceR | free 2d graphics | Dec 10 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 10 23:16 |
| schestowitz | 2d no good? | Dec 10 23:16 |
| schestowitz | multi-head | Dec 10 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Many people use Linux for real work, not gaming | Dec 10 23:17 |
| MinceR | 2d won't do desktop compositing | Dec 10 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | Sugar for some... http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6214795577.html?kc=rss | Dec 10 23:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sugar on a Stick adds ebook support .::. Size~: 38.74 KB | Dec 10 23:17 |
| MinceR | so no desktop grid, no present windows, no realtime zoom, no true transparency | Dec 10 23:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I thought about it | Dec 10 23:17 |
| MinceR | and yes, those are useful for work | Dec 10 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Windows hardly does that, either | Dec 10 23:18 |
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| MinceR | windows hardly does anything useful at all | Dec 10 23:18 |
| schestowitz | The Vista* family does some | Dec 10 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Desktop grid=not neeeded | Dec 10 23:18 |
| schestowitz | You could do it without the bling quite efficiently | Dec 10 23:19 |
| schestowitz | In KDE4 overstressing the GPU can lead to compositing disabling itself | Dec 10 23:19 |
| MinceR | i do need my desktop grid | Dec 10 23:19 |
| MinceR | and it won't work in realtime without proper acceleration | Dec 10 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I set kwin4 to have windows float when I move between the 8 dual desktops.... so it's treated like a big wall, not a cube | Dec 10 23:19 |
| schestowitz | kwin also does fade in/out | Dec 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Slow down the animation and it's nifty | Dec 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Exploding windows | Dec 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | kpager in the panel (well, it's not kpager which is deprecated) does it all quite well, MinceR | Dec 10 23:21 |
| MinceR | kpager isn't fullscreen | Dec 10 23:21 |
| schestowitz | WHat bothers me without composite is the redarawing which becomes visible | Dec 10 23:21 |
| MinceR | and i doubt it can show realtime previews | Dec 10 23:21 |
| MinceR | well yeah, without compositing, switching windows tends to be slower | Dec 10 23:21 |
| MinceR | though enabling backing store for all windows might help with that | Dec 10 23:22 |
| MinceR | iirc fvwm lets you do things like that | Dec 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it's juggler Jobs who invented it | Dec 10 23:23 |
| MinceR | not really | Dec 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Those LUNIX hippies!!1 copied Spaces | Dec 10 23:23 |
| MinceR | macos doesn't even support virtual desktops properly, iirc | Dec 10 23:23 |
| MinceR | only some kind of lame copy | Dec 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | They can only kiss the foot of his sweetness kindness | Dec 10 23:23 |
| MinceR | you still can't handle multiple windows of the same apps separately, can you? | Dec 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | [23:23] <MinceR> macos doesn't even support virtual desktops properly, iirc | Dec 10 23:24 |
| MinceR | (bring forward only one, put them on different virtual desktops) | Dec 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | KISS | Dec 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Simple | Dec 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | for Stupid | Dec 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | They don't do much at all | Dec 10 23:24 |
| MinceR | let's not misuse the KISS principle | Dec 10 23:24 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | It "would confuse the users"!!!!!!!!1 | Dec 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | AFAICT Spaces is very much a lamer feature | Dec 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | It's like one of those black boxes | Dec 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | "This is how it's done. THERE!" | Dec 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Same with Mac OS... | Dec 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Number of buttons... | Dec 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Menu location | Dec 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | NO WAY you can change anything from Jobs' defaults | Dec 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | It's even limiting to Windows users | Dec 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | *NIXers have the mos freedom | Dec 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | CLI only... twm.... Looking Glass... KDE... ChromeOS' whatever-they-call-it | Dec 10 23:26 |
| MinceR | expose has no find/filter feature :) | Dec 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | WHat's that? | Dec 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I know Expose | Dec 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Not this feature | Dec 10 23:26 |
| MinceR | showing only the windows whose title contains the string you type | Dec 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | feeechure | Dec 10 23:26 |
| MinceR | both compiz (window picker) and kwin (present windows) can do that | Dec 10 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Easy to implement | Dec 10 23:27 |
| schestowitz | One afternoo | Dec 10 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Did His Highness patent it? | Dec 10 23:27 |
| schestowitz | [the thin Woz] | Dec 10 23:27 |
| MinceR | i don't know and i don't care | Dec 10 23:28 |
| schestowitz | omg! he thinks of EVRYTHING! :-D | Dec 10 23:28 |
| MinceR | they should be bombed anyway | Dec 10 23:28 |
| schestowitz | !google jobs patent zooming | Dec 10 23:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Apple's A-bomb against Palm: A 358 page iPhone patent | http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-opinion/41207-apples-a-bomb-against-palm-a-358-page-iphone-patent | Dec 10 23:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Executive Ipr Patent Jobs In Bangalore - Bixee.com | http://www.bixee.com/executive%2Bipr%2Bpatent/jobs-in/bangalore/ | Dec 10 23:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Zoom lens system - US Patent 6178050 Claims | http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6178050/claims.html | Dec 10 23:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Can Apple Patent the Pinch? Experts Say It's Possible | http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/news/2008/02/multitouch_patents | Dec 10 23:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: bombed with complaint mail | Dec 10 23:28 |
| schestowitz | !google ddos complaint fsf apple | Dec 10 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Slashdot | FSF's "Defective By Design" Targets Apple Genius Bars | http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl%3Fsid%3D08/07/26/1827208 | Dec 10 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Apple is Too Hot, Microsoft Can Leave the Internet Flat | Boycott ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/16/marvels-of-proprietary-software/ | Dec 10 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - The Pirate Bay Files Criminal Complaint Against MediaDefender ... | http://bciptf.org/blog/2007/09/25/the-pirate-bay-files-criminal-complaint-against-mediadefender-clients-for-hacking/ | Dec 10 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Digital Rant » Hardware | http://www.digital-rant.co.uk/category/hardware/ | Dec 10 23:29 |
| MinceR | i doubt they care about complaint mail | Dec 10 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They have amnesty bin for it | Dec 10 23:29 |
| schestowitz | !google ballmer amnesty bin | Dec 10 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - MacDailyNews - Pathetic Microsoft places 'iPod Amnesty Bin' in ... | http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/13709/ | Dec 10 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Flickr Find: Microsoft Amnesty Bin for iPods | http://www.tuaw.com/2007/05/24/flickr-find-microsoft-amnesty-bin-for-ipods/ | Dec 10 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Ballmer outs, teases iPhone user at Microsoft meeting | Electronista | http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/09/11/ballmer.mocks.using.iphone.at.windows.meet/ | Dec 10 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Charlie Owen - Thoughts on iPod Amnesty Bin | http://blog.retrosight.com/ThoughtsOnIPodAmnestyBin.aspx | Dec 10 23:29 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 10 23:30 |
| MinceR | so, any threats yet for microdroids who don't throw out their hypePods? :> | Dec 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Hypods | Dec 10 23:31 |
| MinceR | iPoos | Dec 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Feed it to the Hydra s | Dec 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | iDopes | Dec 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/1234211_apple_headphones.jpg | Dec 10 23:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking, what if Free/libre softare was called "ethics software" or "ethical software"? | Dec 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | That definition cannot be hijacked | Dec 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | No free as in cheap | Dec 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | No open as in whatever... | Dec 10 23:35 |
| schestowitz | And it implid non-Free software is, well.... Un-Ethical softare | Dec 10 23:35 |
| MinceR | i think that even less people care about ethics than freedom | Dec 10 23:36 |
| MinceR | also, it's more difficult to prove that all free software is ethical and that all ethical software is free | Dec 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | They don't understand them, that's why | Dec 10 23:36 |
| MinceR | possibly impossible | Dec 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | And they are kept isolated | Dec 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | People don't united /against/ stuff | Dec 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | They united to help one another | Dec 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | But people are ever more isolated with their SMS and cable TV | Dec 10 23:37 |
| schestowitz | They have 'friends' | Dec 10 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Like the people who talk on the tube | Dec 10 23:37 |
| MinceR | another issue is that we already have ~3 names | Dec 10 23:37 |
| schestowitz | It makes them even more susciptible to deception | Dec 10 23:37 |
| MinceR | (free, libre, open source) | Dec 10 23:37 |
| schestowitz | *susceptible | Dec 10 23:37 |
| schestowitz | That's an issue too | Dec 10 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Everything is "open" now | Dec 10 23:38 |
| schestowitz | You assimilate to your competition to dilute it | Dec 10 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Then it ceased to have much meaning at al | Dec 10 23:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm loving Thunderbird 3 and I'm not alone. http://blogs.computerworld.com/15221/thunderbird_is_go | Dec 10 23:38 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco could help with this: http://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/computadores/caixa_magica_experimenta_linux_no_novo_magalh_1033434.html | Dec 10 23:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TeK > NotÃcias > Computadores > Caixa Mágica experimenta Linux no novo Magalhães .::. Size~: 40.53 KB | Dec 10 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/30/computer-arrington-chrome-technology-cio-network-crunchpad.html | Dec 10 23:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why The Crunchpad Didn't Pencil Out - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 26.35 KB | Dec 10 23:59 |
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