*_goblin_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 11 00:03 | |
*_goblin__ has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 11 00:06 | |
*_goblin (n=goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 00:06 | |
*lis` has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 11 00:07 | |
schestowitz | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00040.html | Dec 11 00:09 |
---|---|---|
cubezzz | managed to KO my desktop selector and now I can't add it back | Dec 11 00:26 |
cubezzz | rather odd | Dec 11 00:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha1 | Dec 11 00:26 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Lucid Lynx Alpha 1 | Ubuntu .::. Size~: 20.04 KB | Dec 11 00:26 |
cubezzz | ah I got it | Dec 11 00:33 |
cubezzz | "Desktop preview and pager" | Dec 11 00:33 |
cubezzz | they keep changing it's name | Dec 11 00:33 |
cubezzz | ok, back to "normal" | Dec 11 00:33 |
schestowitz | YEah, many names | Dec 11 00:34 |
schestowitz | No cisistency | Dec 11 00:34 |
schestowitz | Journals have lists that ensure consistent naming for stuff and software giants might have that too | Dec 11 00:34 |
schestowitz | terminal/shell/bash/console... | Dec 11 00:35 |
schestowitz | Not quite the same, but interchangeable to a degree | Dec 11 00:35 |
cubezzz | it is a bit confusing, especially since I'm used to Unix System V :) | Dec 11 00:36 |
cubezzz | not that I'm going back to that | Dec 11 00:37 |
cubezzz | terminal is more like "terminal emulation" | Dec 11 00:38 |
cubezzz | e.g. my $TERM variable is xterm | Dec 11 00:38 |
cubezzz | but there's tons of other ones | Dec 11 00:39 |
cubezzz | I go ctrl-alt-f1 and do a text login and then $TERM = linux | Dec 11 00:40 |
cubezzz | nothing is consistent with Microsoft either | Dec 11 00:44 |
schestowitz | Maybe not | Dec 11 00:44 |
cubezzz | it's a new kettle of fish for each iteration of windows | Dec 11 00:44 |
cubezzz | I felt rather lost going from XP to Windows 7 | Dec 11 00:44 |
cubezzz | and I already thought XP was slow | Dec 11 00:45 |
schestowitz | I played with Vista in an airport for a few minutes | Dec 11 00:45 |
schestowitz | XP in black | Dec 11 00:45 |
schestowitz | More problems, they say | Dec 11 00:45 |
schestowitz | Watching some vids, back in a mo | Dec 11 00:46 |
cubezzz | things change so fast I don't bother with most computer books regarding OS functions | Dec 11 00:48 |
cubezzz | plus I'm always changing things myself | Dec 11 00:48 |
cubezzz | then everything gets to the point that I have to use my own notes and the book is out of date | Dec 11 00:48 |
cubezzz | OS functions meaning the user interface mostly | Dec 11 00:49 |
schestowitz | Teddy jam.. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4KdHs-nMhA&feature=related | Dec 11 00:51 |
cubezzz | no zhu zhu pet? I'm disappointed :) | Dec 11 00:52 |
cubezzz | which looks kind of crap, but the kids seem to like it | Dec 11 00:53 |
ender2070 | I wrote about Stormy about an hour ago | Dec 11 00:53 |
ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=407 | Dec 11 00:53 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Pwnage.ca » Stormy Peters and Co-Existing with Proprietary .::. Size~: 18.85 KB | Dec 11 00:53 |
cubezzz | is that your blog? | Dec 11 00:53 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 11 00:54 |
cubezzz | well you gave me an idea | Dec 11 00:59 |
cubezzz | make sure I can get replacement parts for whatever netbook/laptop I buy | Dec 11 00:59 |
cubezzz | since cd drives fail so often | Dec 11 01:00 |
ender2070 | yeah especially in notebooks | Dec 11 01:01 |
cubezzz | some keyboards are hard to find too | Dec 11 01:01 |
cubezzz | and awkward to install | Dec 11 01:01 |
cubezzz | really it's the OS issue that bothers me the most | Dec 11 01:03 |
cubezzz | and our culture of not repairing anything | Dec 11 01:03 |
ender2070 | for the cd drives | Dec 11 01:04 |
ender2070 | usually burning fails first | Dec 11 01:04 |
cubezzz | often the spinner will fail in certain models | Dec 11 01:04 |
cubezzz | a $5 part | Dec 11 01:04 |
ender2070 | its usually the same thing that used to fail in ps2 | Dec 11 01:05 |
ender2070 | the burning lens melts itself | Dec 11 01:05 |
ender2070 | something to do with the pickup | Dec 11 01:05 |
ender2070 | anyways, after 1-2 years its usually time for an upgrade anyways | Dec 11 01:05 |
cubezzz | can you get replacement parts for it? | Dec 11 01:05 |
ender2070 | probably not very easy | Dec 11 01:06 |
cubezzz | there you see the built-in obsolescence | Dec 11 01:06 |
ender2070 | i wouldnt trust most peoples ability to troubleshoot a class 3 laser device | Dec 11 01:07 |
cubezzz | at the least you should be able to replace parts at the component level | Dec 11 01:07 |
ender2070 | you could fix them, professionally but the cost would be too high | Dec 11 01:08 |
DaemonFC | if it's just misaligned, you can fix that yourself | Dec 11 01:08 |
ender2070 | if you could do it yourself, fine | Dec 11 01:08 |
ender2070 | but | Dec 11 01:08 |
ender2070 | its not a safe thing to do | Dec 11 01:08 |
ender2070 | read the warning | Dec 11 01:08 |
DaemonFC | if the drive itself fails, Sony charges $100 to refurbish it | Dec 11 01:08 |
ender2070 | $20 gets you a new burner | Dec 11 01:08 |
DaemonFC | might as well just buy another PS 2 | Dec 11 01:08 |
*Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.65.30.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 01:09 | |
DaemonFC | they're $98 in the store | Dec 11 01:09 |
ender2070 | oh for playstation it was covered by warranty | Dec 11 01:09 |
ender2070 | im talking general pc's | Dec 11 01:09 |
DaemonFC | for a few years it was | Dec 11 01:09 |
DaemonFC | it's not covered anymore | Dec 11 01:09 |
ender2070 | get a ps3 they will tell ya | Dec 11 01:09 |
cubezzz | I have a working Joust machine from early 1983 | Dec 11 01:10 |
DaemonFC | The PS2 has a lower profile and uses less pwer and costs 1/3rd as much | Dec 11 01:10 |
cubezzz | it's been repaired twice | Dec 11 01:10 |
ender2070 | u think sony cares? | Dec 11 01:10 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 11 01:10 |
DaemonFC | plus the PS3 no longer emulated PS2 games | Dec 11 01:10 |
DaemonFC | totally incompatible | Dec 11 01:10 |
ender2070 | sony is in it for $$$ | Dec 11 01:10 |
DaemonFC | *emulates | Dec 11 01:10 |
ender2070 | even their pc's are very difficult to operate on | Dec 11 01:10 |
cubezzz | older stuff is more repairable | Dec 11 01:10 |
ender2070 | they do it on purpose | Dec 11 01:10 |
DaemonFC | you have to buy a PS2 and PS3 now if you want to play both systems | Dec 11 01:11 |
DaemonFC | the XBOX 360 at least has probably 80% of original XBOX games that run | Dec 11 01:11 |
DaemonFC | all the good ones do | Dec 11 01:11 |
DaemonFC | the ones that don't tend to be glitchy and not even coded to the XBOX SDK correctly | Dec 11 01:12 |
cubezzz | both are boat anchors | Dec 11 01:12 |
cubezzz | closed as can be | Dec 11 01:12 |
DaemonFC | the XBOX 360 and PS3 pretty much share 95% of all new games | Dec 11 01:12 |
DaemonFC | with the exception of a few exclusives each | Dec 11 01:13 |
DaemonFC | the choice should be whichever one is cheaper | Dec 11 01:13 |
DaemonFC | let the price wars settle that | Dec 11 01:13 |
cubezzz | Neo Geo was fun :) | Dec 11 01:13 |
cubezzz | closed, but no drives to worry about | Dec 11 01:13 |
DaemonFC | Sony got most of their size reduction by eliminating the PS2 chipset | Dec 11 01:14 |
DaemonFC | that's why the new ones are incompatible | Dec 11 01:14 |
DaemonFC | it basically means don't expect backwards compatibility with the last generation of Playstation ever again | Dec 11 01:15 |
DaemonFC | at $298, most people probably are thinking about the integrated Blu Ray player anyway | Dec 11 01:17 |
DaemonFC | I doubt Linux was a selling point and the people that bought it just for that were making supercomputing grids, which didn't get Sony anything other than the $100 loss on every console sold | Dec 11 01:18 |
DaemonFC | they probably ditched Linux compatibility to shoo away all the freeloaders who weren't even buying any game | Dec 11 01:19 |
DaemonFC | *games | Dec 11 01:19 |
*ThistleWeb (n=gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 01:21 | |
DaemonFC | the GPU was too hobbled and the RAM too low to make me seriously ever consider the PS3 as a Linux computer | Dec 11 01:21 |
DaemonFC | the CPU is awesome though, and built in gigabit ethernet raises some serious supercomputing applications | Dec 11 01:22 |
DaemonFC | it would be nice if it had at least 4 times the RAM and full GPU access, but that would raise cost of manufacturing way too much for a bullet point feature that backfired on them (Linux) | Dec 11 01:23 |
DaemonFC | You had to know what Linux was in the first place | Dec 11 01:24 |
DaemonFC | the original PS3 models never mentioned it by name | Dec 11 01:24 |
*jono has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 11 01:32 | |
schestowitz | [01:13] <DaemonFC> the choice should be whichever one is cheaper | Dec 11 01:36 |
schestowitz | Or less defective | Dec 11 01:36 |
DaemonFC | they fixed that | Dec 11 01:36 |
schestowitz | Nyet | Dec 11 01:36 |
DaemonFC | I have one of the newer models | Dec 11 01:36 |
schestowitz | 'Fixed' | Dec 11 01:36 |
schestowitz | Lik 'fixing' a deck | Dec 11 01:37 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/saddlebackchurch#p/u/0/1jmGu9o4fDE | Dec 11 01:40 |
DaemonFC | Rick Warren condemns anti-homosexual bill under consideration in Uganda | Dec 11 01:41 |
_goblin | Schestowitz: have you heard the French Military have dumped Outlook in favor of Thunderbird. | Dec 11 01:42 |
*jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 01:42 | |
*ThistleWeb has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 11 01:44 | |
*ThistleWeb (n=gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 01:45 | |
DaemonFC | Warren is transitioning from a right winger to a centrist | Dec 11 01:45 |
DaemonFC | I've noticed that | Dec 11 01:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] French Military have dumped Outlook for Thunderbird? http://tinyurl.com/yhgdt4z #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #windows7 #fail #outlook | Dec 11 01:45 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Watch - Web Services & Browser - Microsoft's New Problem: The French Military .::. Size~: 44.05 KB | Dec 11 01:45 |
DaemonFC | better than Benny Hinn or Pat Robertson anyway | Dec 11 01:45 |
schestowitz | _goblin: old news :-) :-) | Dec 11 01:50 |
schestowitz | They'll lllllove TB3 | Dec 11 01:50 |
schestowitz | _goblin: I likes how you put #fail right there as a misfit among names of Microsoft products | Dec 11 01:51 |
schestowitz | Now I want to m-blog too! | Dec 11 01:52 |
cubezzz | Windows 1.0 was supported under Dec 31 2001 | Dec 11 01:55 |
cubezzz | 16 years, the longest support of any doze :) | Dec 11 01:55 |
schestowitz | 3.1 expired recently | Dec 11 01:56 |
schestowitz | For devices IIRC | Dec 11 01:56 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Christmas Lights: Powered by #Linux http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-powers-christmas-lights-for-charity | Dec 11 01:58 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Powers Christmas Lights for Charity .::. Size~: 37.58 KB | Dec 11 01:58 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code | Dec 11 01:59 |
phIRCe-local | Title: AARD code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 26.09 KB | Dec 11 01:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nouveau May Come to Heart of #Linux http://ur1.ca/hj60 http://ur1.ca/hj61 | Dec 11 01:59 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Linus Wants Nouveau Merged Into Kernel .::. Size~: 18.21 KB | Dec 11 01:59 |
phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Part 2 Of Nouveau Saga: The Microcode .::. Size~: 21.66 KB | Dec 11 01:59 |
cubezzz | does noveau support 3d acceleration? | Dec 11 02:00 |
*Tallken has quit ("Leaving") | Dec 11 02:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Desktop #GNU #Linux Would Benefit from Eye Candy by Default http://ur1.ca/hj64 http://ur1.ca/hj65 | Dec 11 02:02 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Linux News: Community: Could Linux Use Some Bells and Whistles? .::. Size~: 59.1 KB | Dec 11 02:02 |
phIRCe-local | Title: OMG! UBUNTU!: Ubuntu Lucid To Get Windows Aero Style Look Thanks To Enhanced GTK+ .::. Size~: 87.83 KB | Dec 11 02:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Unigine Engine for #Linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc4OA | Dec 11 02:03 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Unigine Engine Does Physical Force Fields .::. Size~: 16 KB | Dec 11 02:03 |
*_goblin has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | Dec 11 02:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment 4.4 Gets a Good Word from Former Sceptic http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3852391/ #kde | Dec 11 02:04 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @santhoshtr We are working on a technical road map for #malayalagrandham project. Please contribute http://wiki.smc.org.in/Biblio_roadmap | Dec 11 02:04 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: KDE 4.4 Beta: Incremental Doesn't Mean Directionless — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 70.49 KB | Dec 11 02:04 |
phIRCe-local | Title: SMC-Wiki .::. Size~: 93.39 KB | Dec 11 02:04 |
*cubezzz2 (n=cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 02:07 | |
ender2070 | didnt they extend 3.1 support? | Dec 11 02:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat in Great Shape and Growing http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Health-check-Red-Hat-Linux-879590.html | Dec 11 02:09 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Health check: Red Hat Linux - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.71 KB | Dec 11 02:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Family Shows Cutting-edge Features http://ur1.ca/hj6u http://ur1.ca/hj6v http://ur1.ca/hj6w | Dec 11 02:11 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Exploring New Nepomuk Features in Mandriva Linux 2010 | KDE.news .::. Size~: 28.76 KB | Dec 11 02:11 |
phIRCe-local | Title: The Perfect Server - Mandriva 2010.0 Free (x86_64) [ISPConfig 2] | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials .::. Size~: 47.41 KB | Dec 11 02:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 1, New Commercial Support Offer from #Canonical http://ur1.ca/hj6x http://ur1.ca/hj6y | Dec 11 02:13 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Lucid Lynx Alpha 1 | Ubuntu .::. Size~: 20.04 KB | Dec 11 02:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Grows in Acer #Phones http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/121009-acer-plans-up-to-6.html?fsrc=rss-linux-news | Dec 11 02:14 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Acer plans up to 6 new Android handsets for first half 2010 - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 36.69 KB | Dec 11 02:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Polishes Software Faster Than Proprietary http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2254833/open-source-bugs-fixed-quicker | Dec 11 02:15 | |
*Balrog_ has quit ("bye") | Dec 11 02:16 | |
schestowitz | cubezzz: I don't think it does | Dec 11 02:18 |
schestowitz | IT'S JUST all so outlandish... that they sell h/w as a business model yet they hide their so-called 'IP' by hiding the good code | Dec 11 02:20 |
*ThistleWeb has quit ("Lost terminal") | Dec 11 02:21 | |
cubezzz2 | yeah, but there must be some 3d card which has open source drivers | Dec 11 02:21 |
cubezzz2 | maybe this radeon driver I'm using is open | Dec 11 02:23 |
cubezzz2 | not sure | Dec 11 02:23 |
cubezzz2 | they call it Nouveau : Accelerated Open Source driver for nVidia cards | Dec 11 02:24 |
*cubezzz has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 11 02:24 | |
cubezzz2 | so that seems to imply it does some kind of acceleration | Dec 11 02:24 |
*cubezzz2 is now known as cubezzz | Dec 11 02:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #SheevaPlug Reviewed http://www.tuxradar.com/content/reviewed-sheevaplug-development-kit | Dec 11 02:27 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Reviewed: SheevaPlug development kit | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 20.01 KB | Dec 11 02:27 |
cubezzz | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FrontPage#Status | Dec 11 02:28 |
phIRCe-local | Title: nouveau Wiki - FrontPage .::. Size~: 35.64 KB | Dec 11 02:28 |
*Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.70.142.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 02:29 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Business Models Built Around the #Copyright #Cartel http://ur1.ca/hj7m http://ur1.ca/hj7n | Dec 11 02:29 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Corey Smith Details His Experience In Becoming A Massively Successful Indie Artist | Techdirt .::. Size~: 44.06 KB | Dec 11 02:29 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Dilbert Explains Why Just Copying Others Is A Dumb Business Model | Techdirt .::. Size~: 87.29 KB | Dec 11 02:29 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL RT: @naastygun: Telengana politicians protest against Will Smith for being "Enemy of the State" #iwantastate | Dec 11 02:31 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PirateParty Works to Defend the Internet http://ur1.ca/hj7p http://ur1.ca/gtav | Dec 11 02:31 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Pirate Party MEP Proposes Internet Bill of Rights | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 92.39 KB | Dec 11 02:31 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Lets write an Internet Bill of Rights « Christian Engström, Pirate MEP .::. Size~: 172.33 KB | Dec 11 02:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #USPTO Should be Rubbished, Says Respected Publication http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1208/p09s06-coop.html | Dec 11 02:35 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Dispute Over Status Notification http://www.homemediamagazine.com/legal-news/blockbuster-netflix-win-patent-litigation-17788 | Dec 11 02:35 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: The patent system: End it, don't mend it | csmonitor.com .::. Size~: 82.53 KB | Dec 11 02:35 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Blockbuster, Netflix Win Patent Litigation | homemediamagazine.com .::. Size~: 33.22 KB | Dec 11 02:35 |
DaemonFC | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-12-06/ | Dec 11 02:36 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Dilbert comic strip for 12/06/2009 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive. .::. Size~: 26.63 KB | Dec 11 02:36 |
DaemonFC | I like that one better | Dec 11 02:36 |
*zer0c00l (n=user@117.199.128.29) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 02:48 | |
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Dec 11 02:54 | |
*schestowitz gives channel operator status to ender2070 | Dec 11 02:54 | |
schestowitz | gn | Dec 11 02:54 |
*sebsebseb has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 11 03:16 | |
*jono has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 11 03:19 | |
*jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 03:21 | |
*jono has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 11 03:34 | |
*zer0c00l has quit ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") | Dec 11 03:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @jackerhack: The rise of consumerism may be the fall of military-led innovation. The mass market is more efficient. http://is.gd/5j3gj | Dec 11 04:30 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Military use of consumer technology: War games | The Economist .::. Size~: 62.05 KB | Dec 11 04:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Interesting project RT @okfn: Where Does My Money Go? Prototype Launched http://bit.ly/6HaMAf | Dec 11 04:32 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Open Knowledge Foundation Blog » Blog Archive » Where Does My Money Go? Prototype Launched .::. Size~: 30.18 KB | Dec 11 04:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gnuanu: #SciPy.in - one day away @thiruvananthapuram | Dec 11 04:34 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Going to iim calicut | Dec 11 04:36 | |
*Omar87__ (n=quassel@79.173.248.115) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 04:40 | |
ender2070 | intel graphics is free software | Dec 11 04:47 |
*Omar87 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 11 04:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT @markgammon: A Day in the Internet is Mindblowing http://bit.ly/8SINpB (via LifeHacker) #geekery #soctech | Dec 11 04:59 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Remains of the Day: A Day in the Internet is Mindblowing Edition - Remainders - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 64.56 KB | Dec 11 04:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @jamie_love: One consequence of the ACTA negotiation is the creation of a global social movement -- in opposition to the agreement. | Dec 11 05:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I'm now the second best karma user in FSDaily! Cool!! :D | Dec 11 05:51 | |
*jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 05:55 | |
Omar87__ | Uh.. Jack Wallen turns to be dumber than he looks.. -_- | Dec 11 06:02 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] If peeps don't perceive "free" to have any value, why do they perceive value in a "free" Windows that comes already on their PC? | Dec 11 06:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @ismile_sm: chetan bhagat attempts to block telengana claiming IP violation with 2 states idea #fakenews #chetanblocks | Dec 11 06:15 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @hfactor: News on #IFFK International Film Festival Kerala 2009 Signature Film by Sanju Surendran http://bit.ly/6CT2dw | Dec 11 06:15 | |
ender2070 | interesting | Dec 11 06:51 |
ender2070 | ACCESS pays gnome $10k to have Lefty be on the advisory board | Dec 11 06:51 |
ender2070 | at least in Q3 | Dec 11 06:51 |
*ThistleWeb (n=gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 07:11 | |
MinceR | lol | Dec 11 07:18 |
MinceR | url? | Dec 11 07:19 |
DaemonFC | I want to be waterboarded | Dec 11 07:23 |
DaemonFC | it might be an interesting distraction from everything else going on this month | Dec 11 07:23 |
*kecskebak (n=kecskeba@dsl4E5CC75C.pool.t-online.hu) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 07:25 | |
ender2070 | http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2009-Q3.pdf | Dec 11 07:32 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 11 07:32 |
MinceR | hm, i didn't know access paid that clown | Dec 11 07:39 |
ender2070 | he works for them | Dec 11 07:39 |
ender2070 | the $10K is for access's spot in the advisory board | Dec 11 07:39 |
ender2070 | im still waiting to find out who else from access is there | Dec 11 07:40 |
*sebsebseb (n=3seb@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 07:44 | |
*sebsebseb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Dec 11 07:47 | |
kecskebak | Gnome accessibility team has been working hard on Banshee. That's nice. | Dec 11 07:47 |
*Diablo-D3 (n=diablo@64.223.238.130) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 07:47 | |
ender2070 | they dont mind mono | Dec 11 07:50 |
kecskebak | They forgot to write how their "Men Outreach" program was going too. | Dec 11 07:50 |
kecskebak | :) | Dec 11 07:50 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 11 07:50 |
*ThistleWeb has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 11 07:52 | |
MinceR | "don't mind" seems like an understatement :> | Dec 11 07:57 |
MinceR | http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html | Dec 11 08:02 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 11 08:02 |
kecskebak | I never knew Basic was half Hungarian :) | Dec 11 08:12 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Lawyer attacked for pointing out they arrested the wrong man http://ur1.ca/hjp9 #douchebags #policestate | Dec 11 08:26 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: | Dec 11 08:26 |
*jono has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 11 08:31 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GoldmanSachs bankers aren't carrying guns, waste of a bullet to shoot them anyhow http://ur1.ca/hjpk #douchebags | Dec 11 08:31 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Goldman Sachs bankers aren't going armed after all Boing Boing .::. Size~: 35.77 KB | Dec 11 08:31 |
Omar87__ | http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/avoiding-mono/ | Dec 11 08:34 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Avoiding Mono « Linux Canuck's Weblog .::. Size~: 78 KB | Dec 11 08:34 |
*kecskebak has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 11 08:53 | |
*DaemonFC has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.6b4/20091124213835]") | Dec 11 09:26 | |
*kecskebak (n=kecskeba@dsl4E5CC9D0.pool.t-online.hu) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 09:33 | |
*Tallken has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Dec 11 09:34 | |
*Omar87__ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | Dec 11 09:48 | |
*zer0c00l (n=user@117.199.142.112) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 09:50 | |
zer0c00l | Do we have separate page for crimes of gartner? | Dec 11 09:54 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: ^^ ? | Dec 11 09:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Trend Micro: #Vista7 Less Secure Than #Vista http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/vista-7-insecurity-2/ | Dec 11 09:54 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Trend Micro: Vista 7 Less Secure Than Vista | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.83 KB | Dec 11 09:54 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes | Dec 11 10:14 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group | Dec 11 10:14 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Gartner Group - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 25.94 KB | Dec 11 10:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Christian Science Monitor for Ending the #Patent System http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/sc-monitor-on-uspto/ | Dec 11 10:20 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: The Christian Science Monitor for Ending the Patent System | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.08 KB | Dec 11 10:20 |
zer0c00l | ok | Dec 11 10:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] !Ubuntu using burn down charts to show status of 10.04 release development http://bit.ly/5qIQLy http://bit.ly/1jUnPr | Dec 11 10:22 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: ReleaseTeam/FeatureStatus - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 19.73 KB | Dec 11 10:22 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Burn down chart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 19.81 KB | Dec 11 10:22 |
*oiaohm (n=oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 10:34 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Lacks Compatibility But Finally Gains #GPL Compliance http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/vista-7-lacks-compatibility-compliance/ | Dec 11 10:40 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Vista 7 Lacks Compatibility But Finally Gains GPL Compliance | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.21 KB | Dec 11 10:40 |
*kecskebak has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Dec 11 10:53 | |
*Omar87 (n=quassel@79.173.248.115) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 10:59 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tax Dodger #Microsoft Wants #Linux to Pay Microsoft Tax for Storage Devices http://ur1.ca/hjza | Dec 11 11:11 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Tax Dodger Microsoft Wants Linux to Pay Microsoft Tax for Storage Devices | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.57 KB | Dec 11 11:11 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: can you add to it? | Dec 11 11:30 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: what you want me to add? | Dec 11 11:30 |
zer0c00l | @^@ | Dec 11 11:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Travelling into work by train today. :( very depressing. | Dec 11 11:46 | |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: they do funny stuff in other areas | Dec 11 11:52 |
schestowitz | I only know about their misbehaviour in IT | Dec 11 11:52 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: ok | Dec 11 11:52 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: http://blogs.gartner.com/brian_prentice/2009/12/09/open-source-is-trending-towards-customer-obscurity/ troll | Dec 11 11:53 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source Is Trending Towards Customer Obscurity .::. Size~: 50.23 KB | Dec 11 11:53 |
zer0c00l | FUD | Dec 11 11:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GatesFoundation Denies #GlobalWarming and Strives for Global Domination http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/agenda-of-gates-foundation/ | Dec 11 11:53 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Gates Foundation Denies Global Warming and Strives for Global Domination | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.85 KB | Dec 11 11:53 |
schestowitz | http://www.theboywhodeniedwolf.com/2009/02/gates-foundation-email-response.html | Dec 11 11:54 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Gates Foundation email response - The Boy Who Denied Wolf .::. Size~: 24.79 KB | Dec 11 11:54 |
*kecskebak (n=kecskeba@dsl4E5CCE93.pool.t-online.hu) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 11:56 | |
cubezzz | let me say, if I could make my own shampoo (and I could probably do it) I would | Dec 11 11:56 |
cubezzz | now could I make it exactly the same? no | Dec 11 11:56 |
cubezzz | but I bet I could make it serviceable | Dec 11 11:56 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] திருச்செந்தூர் தொகுதியில் ஒரு ஓட்டின் விலை ஆயிரம் ரூபாய் :( , வீட்டில் பேசி கொள்கிறார்கள். #elections #fail | Dec 11 11:56 | |
cubezzz | lesser dependence on corporations = better | Dec 11 11:57 |
schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/my_reaction_to.html | Dec 11 11:57 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Schneier on Security: My Reaction to Eric Schmidt .::. Size~: 114.44 KB | Dec 11 11:57 |
cubezzz | it would be easy to make my own cola, as in the drink | Dec 11 11:57 |
cubezzz | many formulas exist, it's not hard | Dec 11 11:58 |
cubezzz | anyway, Gartner is clueless | Dec 11 11:58 |
schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-kernel-vulnerabilities-closed-882270.html | Dec 11 11:58 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Linux kernel vulnerabilities closed - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.87 KB | Dec 11 11:58 |
cubezzz | really lame arguments there | Dec 11 11:58 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: what does shampoo do? | Dec 11 11:59 |
cubezzz | uh, for washing your hair | Dec 11 12:00 |
schestowitz | I mean, despite using it, people seem to have survived without it. I wonder how much it serves in removing grease these days, as oppose to be a source of fragrance. it seems like gimmickisation | Dec 11 12:00 |
schestowitz | See toothpaste for example | Dec 11 12:00 |
schestowitz | Nowadays they come in TASTES and have all sorts of playful colours in them | Dec 11 12:00 |
cubezzz | tastes? | Dec 11 12:00 |
schestowitz | I can't imagine sweet toothpaste being too effective | Dec 11 12:00 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, for kids mostly | Dec 11 12:00 |
cubezzz | uh right, toothpaste :) | Dec 11 12:00 |
cubezzz | thought were were still on shampoo for a sec there | Dec 11 12:01 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 11 12:01 |
schestowitz | Well, people buy these for the wrong reasons, I think... or make poor choices | Dec 11 12:01 |
cubezzz | well you could probably use baking soda on it's own and it would probably be cheaper (I think) | Dec 11 12:02 |
cubezzz | the point I was trying to make is Gartner doesn't seem to clue into the fact we can roll our own OS using Linux or other FOSS software as a template | Dec 11 12:02 |
cubezzz | they only think about the end user | Dec 11 12:02 |
schestowitz | Dental capsules seem like another gimmick | Dec 11 12:03 |
schestowitz | They act more like a placebo.. making people feel better | Dec 11 12:03 |
cubezzz | well, there's those crest white strips, which are pretty expensive | Dec 11 12:03 |
cubezzz | some people will pay for vanity products | Dec 11 12:03 |
schestowitz | [12:02] <cubezzz> they only think about the end user | Dec 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | No customers | Dec 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | They have shareholders | Dec 11 12:04 |
cubezzz | right, that's tunnel vision right there | Dec 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | And obscene profit/revenue like 1.2 billiob | Dec 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | *ion | Dec 11 12:04 |
cubezzz | why did I buy a zaurus for example... | Dec 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | They have an obligation to maximise shareholder value, not to tell truth | Dec 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | And they censor reporters | Dec 11 12:04 |
schestowitz | See my Wiki page that includes this | Dec 11 12:04 |
cubezzz | because I wanted to have a portable programming system | Dec 11 12:05 |
cubezzz | yeah but it's really a narrow viewpoint | Dec 11 12:05 |
schestowitz | Bill Gates and Larry Ellison are Gartner shareholders | Dec 11 12:05 |
cubezzz | what do people want anyway? | Dec 11 12:05 |
cubezzz | no one really knows exactly | Dec 11 12:05 |
schestowitz | What TV says they should want | Dec 11 12:05 |
cubezzz | they are just guessing | Dec 11 12:05 |
schestowitz | Creating wants and desires | Dec 11 12:06 |
schestowitz | "Vista 7 was my idea..." | Dec 11 12:06 |
cubezzz | horsesh*t :) | Dec 11 12:06 |
cubezzz | total horse plop | Dec 11 12:07 |
cubezzz | the power of suggestion I suppose | Dec 11 12:07 |
cubezzz | well they're going to buy whats available, that never changes | Dec 11 12:09 |
cubezzz | but for OS, it's an artificial market | Dec 11 12:10 |
schestowitz | ANother thing is celebrity endorsement | Dec 11 12:11 |
schestowitz | Like Tiger Woods and Jordan with Nike, Jackson with Pepsi, and Sugababes *LOL* with Vista 7 | Dec 11 12:12 |
cubezzz | I guess it must be effective | Dec 11 12:13 |
cubezzz | Tiger Woods gets a fortune in endorsements | Dec 11 12:14 |
schestowitz | http://newsblaze.com/story/2009121012340800002.bw/topstory.html | Dec 11 12:14 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Linus Torvalds Accepts DRBD into Linux Kernel .::. Size~: 29.65 KB | Dec 11 12:14 |
*benJIman (n=benji@89.16.166.9) has left #boycottnovell | Dec 11 12:15 | |
schestowitz | Wow. WHy is he insulting Allison? http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/fsf-is-asking-for-money-again/ | Dec 11 12:21 |
phIRCe-local | Title: FSF is Asking for Money Again « DoctorMO's Blog .::. Size~: 40.91 KB | Dec 11 12:21 |
*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Dec 11 12:21 | |
kecskebak | He's saying Allison is not a born broadcaster - he's right about that. That video should have been done as an interview and it would have been much better. | Dec 11 12:23 |
kecskebak | I thought Allison looked very uncomfortable and self-conscious. | Dec 11 12:23 |
schestowitz | The criticism of Allison is very unfair. It's understandable that critics will always -- and I mean ALWAYS -- be described as "bad" (just ask Dennis Kucinich), but Allison has actually done a good job explaining /slowly/ (to non-English speakers) what Free software means. | Dec 11 12:24 |
kecskebak | Yes, but compare it to the Stephen Fry one. | Dec 11 12:24 |
kecskebak | I think the content of the video was fine, it was the format that was wrong. | Dec 11 12:24 |
kecskebak | Speaking to the camera - "down the bottle" - is one of the hardest things to do. Even some actor's can't do it well. | Dec 11 12:26 |
schestowitz | I see insults directed at the appearance of RMS | Dec 11 12:26 |
schestowitz | They don't seem to understand that the hair has become a symbol that helps identify Stallman in the crowd. Many people in music and sports do the same thing because with different looks they simply lose their identity (and following). | Dec 11 12:26 |
schestowitz | kecskebak: yes, but Fry is in broadcasting | Dec 11 12:27 |
schestowitz | I wouldn't want Fry to become Samba patchmaster | Dec 11 12:27 |
kecskebak | Well, that's as daft as asking Allison to talk down the bottle and not as an interview subject | Dec 11 12:27 |
kecskebak | FSF did something that silly and stuck it on their home page | Dec 11 12:27 |
schestowitz | Yes | Dec 11 12:27 |
schestowitz | Allison responded to it in BN | Dec 11 12:28 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Dell-Optiplex-780-USFF-and-Vostro-V13/ | Dec 11 12:28 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu-ready Dell desktop looks like a nettop - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 64.97 KB | Dec 11 12:28 |
kecskebak | I think Allison is an incredible bloke and very, very brave for speaking out against Mono | Dec 11 12:28 |
kecskebak | But I think that criticism of the video in the blog was fair comment | Dec 11 12:28 |
kecskebak | Microsoft is dying - and cornered wounded animals are the most dangerous. | Dec 11 12:29 |
kecskebak | That's why they attack you so much. | Dec 11 12:29 |
cubezzz | no, I don't think Stallman's appearance was because he choose to look different | Dec 11 12:29 |
cubezzz | he just doesn't think about his appearance | Dec 11 12:29 |
kecskebak | I think the "vicious front end" referred to in the blog was not Stallman's appearance but his manner. I think that criticism is very unfair. | Dec 11 12:29 |
cubezzz | I've met other programmers with "Stallman hair" :) | Dec 11 12:30 |
*zer0c00l has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Dec 11 12:31 | |
kecskebak | I've always been amazed in videos of Stallman how calm and reasonable he is. I was expecting more spit and vinegar. | Dec 11 12:31 |
cubezzz | well he's been attacked since the 80's | Dec 11 12:31 |
cubezzz | nothing new there | Dec 11 12:31 |
kecskebak | So to criticise Stallman's manner in that blogpost was very unfair in my view. | Dec 11 12:32 |
cubezzz | he's a "communist" | Dec 11 12:32 |
kecskebak | Socialism is just for corporations, not the people. I notice Microsoft and the rest love state handouts | Dec 11 12:32 |
cubezzz | Stallman can get pretty irritable | Dec 11 12:33 |
cubezzz | personally, I like Stallman though | Dec 11 12:33 |
cubezzz | no fake politeness | Dec 11 12:33 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: RMS had a beard bad in the 30s | Dec 11 12:34 |
schestowitz | He was clean shaved before GNU | Dec 11 12:34 |
schestowitz | /bad/back/ | Dec 11 12:35 |
cubezzz | in the 30s? :) | Dec 11 12:35 |
cubezzz | he's not that old | Dec 11 12:35 |
schestowitz | His 30s | Dec 11 12:35 |
cubezzz | ah :) | Dec 11 12:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I like the new Thundebird, now I have tabs and sub-tabs.... tabs within other tabs for organisation. Splendid! | Dec 11 12:35 | |
cubezzz | yes, he once had a crew cut if you go back far enough | Dec 11 12:35 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, "communist" if science if the new communism :-) | Dec 11 12:36 |
schestowitz | The power of spin and perception | Dec 11 12:36 |
schestowitz | You could go about drawing analogies between Microsoft and communism | Dec 11 12:36 |
schestowitz | 1) everyone is the sam... | Dec 11 12:36 |
schestowitz | 2) One leader | Dec 11 12:36 |
kecskebak | 3) One Microsoft way :) | Dec 11 12:36 |
schestowitz | 3) No expression of code/thought (modification) | Dec 11 12:36 |
schestowitz | And so on... | Dec 11 12:36 |
cubezzz | I'm just repeating what people said on usenet in the 80's, it's all still there on google groups | Dec 11 12:37 |
schestowitz | I'm actually very surprised by how Linux advocates are daemonised | Dec 11 12:37 |
schestowitz | For things they do not do or get distorted for the most part | Dec 11 12:37 |
cubezzz | yeah. that's disappointing | Dec 11 12:37 |
kecskebak | I think communism is a shock word like paedophile - it sort of closes the argument and puts the person beyond the pale | Dec 11 12:38 |
kecskebak | 'Religious' is also used for Mono critics to do the same thing | Dec 11 12:38 |
cubezzz | no, I never thought of communism as a shock word | Dec 11 12:39 |
kecskebak | Many Americans do | Dec 11 12:39 |
cubezzz | for software at least | Dec 11 12:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/experts-question-hungary-s-role-as-european-open-source-leader-2720 | Dec 11 12:39 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Experts Question Hungary's Role As European Open Source Leader - News - eWeekEurope.co.uk .::. Size~: 27.04 KB | Dec 11 12:39 |
cubezzz | at most Stallman is a hybrid capitalist/communist with emphasis on the communist part | Dec 11 12:40 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 11 12:40 |
*MinceR gets some hybrid cold/hot water | Dec 11 12:40 | |
cubezzz | and true communism doesn't really exist | Dec 11 12:40 |
schestowitz | Sadly for Microsoft, it has communism in it | Dec 11 12:40 |
cubezzz | warm water? :) | Dec 11 12:40 |
schestowitz | Their EU head used to be a communist in the proper sense | Dec 11 12:41 |
MinceR | well, communism was an idea that was never implemented | Dec 11 12:41 |
MinceR | s/was/is/ | Dec 11 12:41 |
schestowitz | And one of its advocate (Fiegel or something) written extensively to advocate communism in Europe in his younge days | Dec 11 12:41 |
schestowitz | So Microsoft has real communism baggage | Dec 11 12:41 |
schestowitz | They just hide it | Dec 11 12:41 |
MinceR | write an article on that :) | Dec 11 12:42 |
cubezzz | I think of Microsoft as fascist, not communist | Dec 11 12:42 |
schestowitz | MinceR: Microsoft communism? | Dec 11 12:42 |
MinceR | schestowitz: indeed | Dec 11 12:42 |
cubezzz | dare I say the H word? | Dec 11 12:42 |
MinceR | there is not a lot of difference between fascism and what was implemented as "communism" on earth | Dec 11 12:42 |
cubezzz | capitalism seems to fall apart if people get too greedy | Dec 11 12:43 |
kecskebak | MinceR: Spot on. That's why the former communists are now running Hungary for the neo-Liberals | Dec 11 12:43 |
schestowitz | MinceR: OK | Dec 11 12:43 |
kecskebak | They didn't need any training | Dec 11 12:44 |
cubezzz | but this doesn't change the fact that we have FOSS, so in one small area we have real communism | Dec 11 12:45 |
cubezzz | it's there if you want it | Dec 11 12:45 |
MinceR | actually it isn't communism as long as it isn't public domain | Dec 11 12:46 |
MinceR | sw still has an owner who could relicense it | Dec 11 12:46 |
MinceR | i'm not sure if the legal system would even allow it | Dec 11 12:46 |
MinceR | i wonder why are there 'quasi-public domain' licenses like the WTFPL, i remember hearing something like public domain not working the same way in all countries or something | Dec 11 12:47 |
cubezzz | well I suppose the gate keepers are really the maintainers | Dec 11 12:49 |
cubezzz | but anyone can be a maintainer | Dec 11 12:49 |
oiaohm | MinceR: WTFPL is just for fun form of License | Dec 11 12:52 |
oiaohm | Yes legally binding but not much better than Public domain. | Dec 11 12:52 |
MinceR | so public domain isn't legally binding? | Dec 11 12:53 |
oiaohm | Public domain includes copyright expired works. The expired works don't need a legally binding contract to make them such. | Dec 11 12:55 |
oiaohm | Ie their are two Public Domain form of items MinceR. This is why I hate the law at times. | Dec 11 12:56 |
MinceR | there are a lot of reasons to hate the law | Dec 11 12:56 |
oiaohm | It really makes it tricking at times reading the law. Is this type 1 or type 2 or type 200 of that meaning. | Dec 11 12:57 |
oiaohm | http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2009/12/ukrainian-student-dies-from-exploding-chewing-gum/1?csp=34 People wonder why food is not allowed in a lab. | Dec 11 12:59 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Ukrainian student dies from exploding chewing gum - .::. Size~: 22.72 KB | Dec 11 12:59 |
kecskebak | Of course, public domain is interesting. The case of Microsoft and CORBIS springs to mind. | Dec 11 13:00 |
kecskebak | Take pictures of restored works of art that are in the public domain. But now photography is banned, so to get pictures of those works of art you need to go through CORBIS | Dec 11 13:01 |
cubezzz | why is photography banned? | Dec 11 13:02 |
kecskebak | Because they restore the artworks, then ban photography so you have to buy pictures of the restored artworks | Dec 11 13:02 |
oiaohm | kecskebak: Really. Flash photography is banned. Lot of cases if you ask nicely you can use normal cameras on the works. | Dec 11 13:02 |
kecskebak | Some places that Corbis has licenced have banned photography completely | Dec 11 13:02 |
kecskebak | You can blame terrorism, or whatever for a ban these days | Dec 11 13:03 |
cubezzz | Corbis, meaning owned by Gates | Dec 11 13:03 |
cubezzz | how about photographs over 100 years old? | Dec 11 13:03 |
kecskebak | Yes, but that's the point. High quality digital photos of artwork that has been restored | Dec 11 13:04 |
kecskebak | Means you set up a first and second class market | Dec 11 13:04 |
oiaohm | kecskebak: you will find lot of cammeras will not take the works correctly in the light conditions kecskebak. If you do ask and have a tripod and prepared to leave cam there at night you can on flim. | Dec 11 13:04 |
cubezzz | we have the toronto archives and it's free | Dec 11 13:04 |
kecskebak | If cameras are banned it won't help you | Dec 11 13:04 |
cubezzz | as in freely downloadable | Dec 11 13:05 |
oiaohm | kecskebak: Lot of cases is banned dueing open hours kecskebak | Dec 11 13:05 |
cubezzz | I wonder if art galleries ban photography | Dec 11 13:05 |
kecskebak | I think Glynn Moody has blogged about this | Dec 11 13:05 |
oiaohm | Most do cubezzz unless you have permission from the artist. cubezzz | Dec 11 13:06 |
oiaohm | Few the the photos I have are of painting that no one is ment to have pictures off. | Dec 11 13:06 |
oiaohm | All it takes is asking the right way. | Dec 11 13:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Fears over organised child fights - "bunch of fucking savages in this town" - Randall from Clerks http://tinyurl.com/ydyq3z4 | Dec 11 13:06 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: BBC News - Fears over organised child fights .::. Size~: 44.7 KB | Dec 11 13:06 |
schestowitz | kecskebak: why do so many people spell it Glynn? | Dec 11 13:07 |
kecskebak | Because there are two spellings | Dec 11 13:07 |
kecskebak | Welsh name | Dec 11 13:08 |
kecskebak | My mistake | Dec 11 13:08 |
oiaohm | I guess you are not aware kecskebak that people not knowing what they are doing using flashs undoes the restorative work. | Dec 11 13:08 |
cubezzz | I have an archive of scans of old toronto | Dec 11 13:08 |
cubezzz | probably around 2000 pics | Dec 11 13:09 |
schestowitz | kecskebak: I asked cause Groklaw repeatedly does that too | Dec 11 13:09 |
kecskebak | And people not being allowed to use cameras at all undoes the public domain | Dec 11 13:09 |
oiaohm | My cannon cam has a physical blocker that prevents flash from being able to operate even if the camera computer trys kecskebak | Dec 11 13:09 |
schestowitz | Eyes are cameras too | Dec 11 13:09 |
schestowitz | I feel so violated :-) | Dec 11 13:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Demonstration of the Power of #KDE 4.4 (Video) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/kde-sc-4-4/ #plasma #kde4 | Dec 11 13:09 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Demonstration of the Power of KDE 4.4 (Video) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.84 KB | Dec 11 13:09 |
oiaohm | So most places unless artist objects to photos I can take kecskebak | Dec 11 13:10 |
schestowitz | I should also 'unknow' all those ideas that are forbidden by the patent office | Dec 11 13:10 |
oiaohm | Since what I will be doing to the pictures will be no different to looking at them kecskebak | Dec 11 13:10 |
schestowitz | kecskebak: they should thrive on scarcity, for example: | Dec 11 13:10 |
schestowitz | Resort artwork -> access to museum | Dec 11 13:10 |
schestowitz | *restored | Dec 11 13:10 |
schestowitz | Not banning photographs, which cost nothing to duplicate and may actually serve ads free publicity | Dec 11 13:11 |
oiaohm | Cost of repairing works schestowitz | Dec 11 13:11 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_online_image_archives | Dec 11 13:11 |
phIRCe-local | Title: List of online image archives - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 25.72 KB | Dec 11 13:11 |
kecskebak | http://www.photo-mark.com/notes/2008/dec/04/licensing-public-domain-public/ | Dec 11 13:11 |
oiaohm | Few people setting off flashes can do major damage to restored paintings. | Dec 11 13:12 |
MinceR | how? | Dec 11 13:12 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/blog/itinnovation/articles/20091209/2356107282.shtml | Dec 11 13:12 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Average American Consumes 34 Gigs Of Data Per Day; Good Thing ISPs Want To Limit You To 5 Gigs/Month | Techdirt .::. Size~: 57.7 KB | Dec 11 13:12 |
oiaohm | Its the bright light it can reacted directly with some paint pigments causing bad things to happen MinceR | Dec 11 13:12 |
schestowitz | MinceR: lessening their value :-) | Dec 11 13:12 |
schestowitz | They duplicate them | Dec 11 13:12 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 11 13:13 |
oiaohm | Paritucally with old paints. | Dec 11 13:13 |
schestowitz | It's a good thing people take photograph before the paintings degrade, oiaohm ;-) | Dec 11 13:13 |
oiaohm | Ie it can cause cracking and other bad things. | Dec 11 13:13 |
*MinceR takes a mental note to take a scanner to the gallery instead | Dec 11 13:13 | |
MinceR | "see, it isn't a camera!" | Dec 11 13:13 |
kecskebak | NAtional Portrait Gallery "We also exert strict controls on all photography in the Gallery, which is allowed only on the understanding that copyright rests with the us and that any further reproduction deriving from the resulting photographic materials is subject to our written permission. " | Dec 11 13:13 |
schestowitz | One day we can show photos of those forever-degarading works | Dec 11 13:13 |
schestowitz | *degrading | Dec 11 13:13 |
oiaohm | Its good for people to take them correctly so the picture last as long as possiable schestowitz | Dec 11 13:14 |
cubezzz | some old photo scans have a weird fading effect | Dec 11 13:14 |
schestowitz | ANd it's guaranteed to stay this way, even if museums get looted and they so often do over millennia (Pakistan and Alexandria for example) | Dec 11 13:14 |
cubezzz | heh | Dec 11 13:14 |
oiaohm | Now if a mussium put up prints for people to photo to there harts content most people still would not be happy. | Dec 11 13:14 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: why have lighting in museums then | Dec 11 13:14 |
cubezzz | but I've done some restoration myself | Dec 11 13:15 |
schestowitz | Make the museums dark | Dec 11 13:15 |
kecskebak | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/27/how_to_copyright_michelangelo/ | Dec 11 13:15 |
phIRCe-local | Title: How to copyright Michelangelo • The Register .::. Size~: 35.37 KB | Dec 11 13:15 |
cubezzz | so I could ready the signs in the faded photo scan | Dec 11 13:15 |
schestowitz | And the guiding wo/man will only describe what's there had the lights been on | Dec 11 13:15 |
cubezzz | in fact... I'll show one of the most interesting of the "faders" | Dec 11 13:15 |
cubezzz | let me find it | Dec 11 13:15 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: when the pictures are in storage they are kept in pure darkness. Whey out on display the lighting condutions are controlled to give enough to view and hopefully not enough to damage work. | Dec 11 13:16 |
oiaohm | You will find the newest works in the brightest rooms due to beta quality paints use to make them schestowitz | Dec 11 13:16 |
oiaohm | Also another reason why some times they don't want photos taken is because the work has degraded. | Dec 11 13:18 |
cubezzz | ok, what makes this interesting is that the farther away you see in the picture, the more faded it seems | Dec 11 13:18 |
cubezzz | http://maxhost.org/other/fader.jpg | Dec 11 13:18 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 11 13:18 |
oiaohm | fading reduces contrast cubezzz | Dec 11 13:19 |
oiaohm | In that picture farther way has has the least contrast difference so it show the most damage. | Dec 11 13:20 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091203/1730177188.shtml | Dec 11 13:20 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Bow-Wow-Wow-Yippie-Yo-Yippie-Yea Is Infringing, And Fair Use Won't Save It | Techdirt .::. Size~: 40.22 KB | Dec 11 13:20 |
cubezzz | hmmm | Dec 11 13:20 |
oiaohm | Remember a negitive that is basically the reverse image will fade exactly the same areas first. | Dec 11 13:20 |
oiaohm | Even that they are the darkest. | Dec 11 13:21 |
oiaohm | In that picture look along the line of bricks cubezzz | Dec 11 13:21 |
oiaohm | Near the man standing up right doing nothing cubezzz | Dec 11 13:22 |
oiaohm | Notice the blur there. | Dec 11 13:22 |
cubezzz | yes I see it | Dec 11 13:22 |
cubezzz | it seems to extend up to the sign as well | Dec 11 13:22 |
cubezzz | maybe some problem with the emulsion? | Dec 11 13:23 |
*zer0c00l (n=user@117.199.135.52) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 13:23 | |
cubezzz | or a thumbprint :) | Dec 11 13:23 |
oiaohm | Not right for a thumbprint | Dec 11 13:23 |
oiaohm | Too striaght. | Dec 11 13:24 |
cubezzz | ah, I see what you're saying | Dec 11 13:25 |
oiaohm | I will suspect in may more years that the area of damage will start disappearing before everything else. | Dec 11 13:25 |
cubezzz | you're saying the fading is uniform over the entire image? | Dec 11 13:25 |
oiaohm | Its not 100 percent uniform over that image. | Dec 11 13:26 |
oiaohm | But it will be over the entire image. | Dec 11 13:26 |
cubezzz | well, at least I have the digital version so it won't get any worse | Dec 11 13:26 |
oiaohm | That blur could be a issue in the glass of the scanner as well. | Dec 11 13:26 |
oiaohm | Ie if you still have that photo have another crack at it before it disappears. | Dec 11 13:27 |
cubezzz | nope, it's a scan I downloaded from the toronto archives | Dec 11 13:28 |
cubezzz | care to take a guess at the year it was taken? | Dec 11 13:29 |
oiaohm | Send them a note about possiable bad scan cubezzz | Dec 11 13:29 |
cubezzz | ok | Dec 11 13:29 |
oiaohm | Really don't want to guess. I have some from arcives black and whites over 150 years old. | Dec 11 13:29 |
oiaohm | And that is only here in Australia | Dec 11 13:30 |
cubezzz | another more extreme example: | Dec 11 13:30 |
cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/fader2.jpg | Dec 11 13:30 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 11 13:30 |
oiaohm | Look at the shadows of the ladies in the frount cubezzz | Dec 11 13:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: Venky,who doesn't micro blog, shares that Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy http://ow.ly/KVHJ #IT #FOSS | Dec 11 13:30 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source India: Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy .::. Size~: 3.72 KB | Dec 11 13:30 |
oiaohm | The man on edge of photo has a strong shadow so they should too cubezzz | Dec 11 13:31 |
cubezzz | yes? | Dec 11 13:31 |
oiaohm | For some reason the edge of photo has not been exposed to as much light. | Dec 11 13:31 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] All you wanted to know about software patents. http://bit.ly/7kxelw | Dec 11 13:31 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] ஐ பக்கோடா :D | Dec 11 13:31 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: The Danger of Software Patents - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 74.72 KB | Dec 11 13:31 |
cubezzz | let me see if I can shore it up a bit | Dec 11 13:32 |
oiaohm | Also the ladies faces compared to man on edge they are about the same distance away cubezzz | Dec 11 13:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: http://ow.ly/KVH9 "The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation" by Bradley Kuhn. Recommended reading. | Dec 11 13:32 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 3.7 KB | Dec 11 13:32 |
oiaohm | I guess the man on edge was under the frame when it was on display cubezzz so got saved from harm. | Dec 11 13:33 |
cubezzz | very possible | Dec 11 13:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @schestowitz: I like the new Thundebird, now I have tabs and sub-tabs.... tabs within other tabs for organisation. Splendid! | Dec 11 13:33 | |
oiaohm | You also can see in in the writing on the other side cubezzz | Dec 11 13:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @anjakovacs: So when it helps them to make money, open standards are suddenly not a problem anymore for business... http://bit.ly/7Okeb5 | Dec 11 13:34 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: News Corp, Time, others detail e-standard venture - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 96.69 KB | Dec 11 13:34 |
oiaohm | Basically that is a good photo to disprove the idea that its just distance cubezzz | Dec 11 13:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @jamie_love: RT @j_zim: Spread and sign the #ACTA open letter http://bit.ly/6B7iyq | Dec 11 13:35 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: ACTA: A Global Threat to Freedoms (Open Letter) | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 39.6 KB | Dec 11 13:35 |
cubezzz | yes, I'm trying to make the writing more visible | Dec 11 13:36 |
oiaohm | Few dirty tricks try looking the picture in negitive. | Dec 11 13:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @deepakurup: Here's some good news.Open Source India:Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy http://bit.ly/5PXXlK | Dec 11 13:37 | |
oiaohm | Sometimes items you cannot see any more magically reappear when you make the picture reversed. | Dec 11 13:37 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source India: Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy .::. Size~: 3.72 KB | Dec 11 13:37 |
oiaohm | So providing you with the information to restore cubezzz. | Dec 11 13:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/11/dotzler_on_schmidtt/ | Dec 11 13:39 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla man sends Firefoxers to Microsoft Bing • The Register .::. Size~: 28.92 KB | Dec 11 13:39 |
oiaohm | Next trick find out if there is any other photos in the same area. Ie over lap recovery. | Dec 11 13:39 |
schestowitz | I never liked Asa anyway | Dec 11 13:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] reaching thrissur. We have an !smc meeting now to analyse inscript modification proposal . @jaisuvyas @kpnunni, k h hussain, etc here | Dec 11 13:40 | |
schestowitz | He confronted me at one stage | Dec 11 13:40 |
oiaohm | Asa is the loss cannon. Handy at times to get issues corrected. | Dec 11 13:41 |
oiaohm | But other times a 100 percent liabilty makes RMS look like a minor headache. | Dec 11 13:42 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/11/florida_judges_social_network_friend_restriction/ | Dec 11 13:45 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Florida judges banned from 'friending' lawyers on Facebook • The Register .::. Size~: 31.71 KB | Dec 11 13:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] this is whole kerala trip. Waypoints in this trip. mysore-manathavady-thalassery-kozhikkod-thrissur-eranakulam-kottayam-thiruvanathapuram | Dec 11 13:46 | |
oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc5NQ Its supprising how much action Linus can get. | Dec 11 13:52 |
phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Nouveau To Go Into Linux 2.6.33 Kernel! .::. Size~: 18.58 KB | Dec 11 13:52 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, loose cannon | Dec 11 13:52 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: there are followups | Dec 11 13:53 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @anivar RT @deepakurup: Here's some good news.Open Source India:Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy http://bit.ly/5PXXlK | Dec 11 13:53 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source India: Assam government includes FOSS in state IT policy .::. Size~: 3.72 KB | Dec 11 13:53 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Mozilla exec urges switch from $Google to $Bing, I'm thinking switch from #Firefox to #Chrome http://ur1.ca/hk87 | Dec 11 13:56 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Mozilla Exec Urges Switch From Google To Bing .::. Size~: 131.48 KB | Dec 11 13:56 |
schestowitz | Haha. Does Asa think Microsoft is any better? *LOL* | Dec 11 13:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This week is cruised past my 10,000th microblog item (10055 notices in identica) | Dec 11 13:58 | |
schestowitz | Microsoft: if you're not using Windows, then you're a communist terrorist | Dec 11 13:59 |
schestowitz | Asa may have just cost Mozilla some funding and reputation | Dec 11 13:59 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell Reid and Obama: Stop begging and start breaking arms to get real health reform http://bit.ly/6CDCQ0 | Dec 11 14:01 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Obama is going to support renewal of the Patriot Act, and will usher in a new era of #terrorism http://ur1.ca/hk8e #douchebag #policestate | Dec 11 14:01 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Support the #PublicOption http://ur1.ca/hk8f #politics | Dec 11 14:01 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: DemocracyForAmerica.com » Enough is Enough .::. Size~: 18.5 KB | Dec 11 14:01 |
*kecskebak has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Dec 11 14:13 | |
*oiaohm has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) | Dec 11 14:15 | |
schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29979/1090/ | Dec 11 14:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: The ACTA Timeline: Tracing The Secret Copyright Treaty - http://bit.ly/6FiumM handy visual representation #acta | Dec 11 14:43 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] !Ubuntu looking for new desktop backgrounds for the next release! http://bit.ly/55Wcd8 #fb | Dec 11 14:43 | |
schestowitz | Apple is killing Lala.... http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/12/apple-to-fold-lala-into-itunes-transform-into-web-service.ars lalalala... | Dec 11 14:47 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Apple to fold Lala into iTunes, transform into Web service .::. Size~: 38.02 KB | Dec 11 14:47 |
*kecskebak (n=kecskeba@dsl4E5CCDEF.pool.t-online.hu) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 14:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @brpbhaskar: ‘Love Jihad’ and The Judge In Kerala http://kafila.org/2009/12/10/whos-at-jihad-love-jihad-and-the-judge-in-kerala | Dec 11 15:03 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Whos at Jihad? : Love Jihad and the Judge in Kerala « Kafila .::. Size~: 76.52 KB | Dec 11 15:03 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Listening to "the last hope" "hacker" conference key note address by steven levy on "hacker culture" . | Dec 11 15:06 | |
schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091210100602130 | Dec 11 15:07 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Blank Rome Sends a First Bill - SCO Billed for Cahn's Lawyer to Read Groklaw .::. Size~: 64.68 KB | Dec 11 15:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] i converted/helped in converting many of my friends including my girl friend to free software. Is it 'love jihad'? | Dec 11 15:07 | |
*gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 15:32 | |
schestowitz | Is it a US holiday this week?! | Dec 11 15:35 |
cubezzz | Indiana Day | Dec 11 15:40 |
cubezzz | other than that, no | Dec 11 15:40 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @glynmoody: Preserving Patents Before the Planet - http://bit.ly/8l8u5A Copenhagen told to get its priorities straight #cop09 #patents | Dec 11 15:41 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: open...: Preserving Patents Before the Planet .::. Size~: 93.21 KB | Dec 11 15:41 |
*jono (n=jono@c-67-164-44-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 15:42 | |
schestowitz | http://gigaom.com/2009/12/10/why-mozillas-deal-with-google-gets-ever-shakier/ | Dec 11 15:43 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Why Mozillas Deal With Google Gets Ever Shakier GigaOM .::. Size~: 81.59 KB | Dec 11 15:43 |
schestowitz | Some US blogger said it was a holiday a few days ago, which left me surprised | Dec 11 15:44 |
*zer0c00l is now known as zer0c00l|Away | Dec 11 15:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] just. Sankaran's judgmnt "love/marriege that involves a process of conversion" is lovejihad. he demands for legislation to preventing that | Dec 11 15:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] heard enough about the sanghi stand on conversion in #lovejihad discussions. But i am curious to know about sanghi&islamist stand on love | Dec 11 15:58 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: Preserving Patents Before the Planet - http://bit.ly/8l8u5A Copenhagen told to get its priorities straight #cop09 #patents | Dec 11 16:16 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: open...: Preserving Patents Before the Planet .::. Size~: 93.21 KB | Dec 11 16:16 |
*wallc (i=44e6566b@gateway/web/freenode/x-ppzltubkjvcvbfye) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 16:24 | |
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3-yJU7JNSY&feature=PlayList&p=431E6F0CAD700349&index=0 | Dec 11 16:34 | |
*zer0c00l|Away is now known as zer0c00l | Dec 11 16:36 | |
*gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has left #boycottnovell | Dec 11 16:37 | |
*wallc has quit ("Page closed") | Dec 11 16:42 | |
schestowitz | Australian propaganda... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naMJz2KlLoA | Dec 11 16:47 |
*satipera (i=540de474@gateway/web/freenode/x-tkzzddvmsnpsjlki) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 16:47 | |
*kecskebak has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 11 16:49 | |
satipera | Part content of floss weekly 99. "Canonical working very closely with tomboy who have been brilliant" slight paraphrasing. | Dec 11 16:49 |
*satipera has quit (Client Quit) | Dec 11 16:49 | |
Omar87 | Can someone please explain to me, what kind of bulls**t is this exactly? http://sourcesofinsight.com/2009/12/02/how-to-think-like-bill-gates/ | Dec 11 17:12 |
phIRCe-local | Title: How To Think Like Bill Gates - Sources of Insight .::. Size~: 70.02 KB | Dec 11 17:13 |
cubezzz | lol | Dec 11 17:13 |
cubezzz | what kind? super concentrated I would say :) | Dec 11 17:13 |
Omar87 | I mean for God's sake! They are presenting that a*%hole as if he was some kind of a holy figure! | Dec 11 17:15 |
Omar87 | Why would anyone, with his full and total mental capabilities want to think like this weirdo?? :D | Dec 11 17:16 |
cubezzz | it's because of his wealth, they don't admire the person | Dec 11 17:17 |
cubezzz | they know next to nothing about him | Dec 11 17:17 |
MinceR | well, to those whose god is money, gates is indeed a holy figure | Dec 11 17:18 |
cubezzz | it's amazing how people can have such divergent opinions/perceptions | Dec 11 17:23 |
*gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 17:23 | |
cubezzz | to me Gates is one of the biggest predators to exist in the computer world | Dec 11 17:24 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... | Dec 11 17:26 |
schestowitz | "just listen to the floss episode with the chap from boycott Novell. Man jono bacon came across a loon trying to force an admission of guilt" | Dec 11 17:26 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/16543243 | Dec 11 17:26 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Mark Clarke (mxc) 's status on Friday, 11-Dec-09 16:43:47 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.87 KB | Dec 11 17:26 |
schestowitz | [16:49] <satipera> Part content of floss weekly 99. "Canonical working very closely with tomboy who have been brilliant" slight paraphrasing. | Dec 11 17:27 |
schestowitz | Tomboy=Novell's Sandy | Dec 11 17:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Countercurrents: Obamas Nobel Speech, Just Wars And Just Stop It! http://bit.ly/6v7eY3 | Dec 11 17:27 | |
schestowitz | Omar87: it's because people assume that "most rich"="Smartest" | Dec 11 17:28 |
Omar87 | MinceR: I couldn't agree more. To those who worship money, Bill Gates is a holy figure indeed. | Dec 11 17:28 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Indeed. | Dec 11 17:29 |
schestowitz | That's why the media quotes him about the economy | Dec 11 17:29 |
schestowitz | Not professors of economics | Dec 11 17:29 |
schestowitz | Forget about them | Dec 11 17:29 |
cubezzz | Gates is a thief | Dec 11 17:30 |
schestowitz | They are not super-weathy, so they must be f*ing stupid! :-) | Dec 11 17:30 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: exactly. :) | Dec 11 17:30 |
cubezzz | Telsa died with no money | Dec 11 17:30 |
cubezzz | so did Lasker | Dec 11 17:30 |
schestowitz | At least they have something to name after them | Dec 11 17:31 |
schestowitz | They can't take money into their grave anyway | Dec 11 17:31 |
schestowitz | Just some lavish ceremony at best | Dec 11 17:31 |
ender2070 | it seems like anyone who is critical of mono gets attacked, allison included | Dec 11 17:31 |
schestowitz | Mono is God | Dec 11 17:31 |
schestowitz | It's sacred | Dec 11 17:31 |
schestowitz | Like Pearly gates | Dec 11 17:31 |
schestowitz | aka Mother Teresasoft :-) | Dec 11 17:32 |
schestowitz | You should know by now: | Dec 11 17:32 |
cubezzz | that blog was like... those Hale-Bopp guys | Dec 11 17:32 |
schestowitz | If you attack Mono, you're religious | Dec 11 17:32 |
cubezzz | "Please brainwash us" | Dec 11 17:32 |
schestowitz | If you don't think Gates is 100% angel, you're "just jealous" | Dec 11 17:32 |
schestowitz | Pinter had something good to say about the story of perspective | Dec 11 17:33 |
schestowitz | Truths and lies | Dec 11 17:33 |
*gargoyle-grin has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Dec 11 17:33 | |
schestowitz | And how they can be interchanged | Dec 11 17:33 |
cubezzz | there's the extreme good, and the extreme bad | Dec 11 17:34 |
cubezzz | in my blog I don't really talk about the bad | Dec 11 17:35 |
cubezzz | I decided to try to mainly talk about positive things | Dec 11 17:35 |
*gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 17:37 | |
ender2070 | RMS had a good point | Dec 11 17:39 |
ender2070 | if they say you are anti-ms, you ask if they are pro-ms | Dec 11 17:39 |
*DaemonFC (n=chatzill@c-69-245-242-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 17:39 | |
MinceR | then they'll just say no | Dec 11 17:39 |
*desudesudesu (n=desu@unaffiliated/desu) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 17:39 | |
cubezzz | I have no problem saying I'm anti-Microsoft | Dec 11 17:40 |
ender2070 | then they lie | Dec 11 17:40 |
ender2070 | lol | Dec 11 17:40 |
MinceR | cubezzz: good point | Dec 11 17:41 |
ender2070 | same, Im quite vocal about being anti ms | Dec 11 17:41 |
ender2070 | even have an rss feed on my blog for it | Dec 11 17:41 |
ender2070 | all categories have rss feeds on my blog | Dec 11 17:42 |
cubezzz | one thing that surprised me was the Amiga zealots putting Linux down | Dec 11 17:44 |
*zer0c00l has quit ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") | Dec 11 17:45 | |
cubezzz | but it's youtube which has a rather mean-spirited and low level of discussion | Dec 11 17:45 |
cubezzz | nouveau's on slashdot :) | Dec 11 17:51 |
cubezzz | the #nouveau guys are complaining about it | Dec 11 17:52 |
*Python1320 (n=Python13@spark.turku.fi) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 17:52 | |
*desu_ (n=desu@unaffiliated/desu) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 17:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Many Upcoming #Linux Events http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/2010-linux-events-foster-community-business-opportunities | Dec 11 17:56 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: 2010 Linux Events Foster Community, Business Opportunities | Linux Developer Network .::. Size~: 23.85 KB | Dec 11 17:56 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Professional Institute Expands http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/12/prweb3327714.htm #lpi | Dec 11 17:57 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Professional Institute Expands Training Partner Program to Include 44 nations .::. Size~: 40.38 KB | Dec 11 17:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Guide to Making #GNU #Linux Desktops More Visually Advanced http://www.tuxradar.com/content/make-linux-look-awesome | Dec 11 17:58 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Make Linux look awesome! | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 41.1 KB | Dec 11 17:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell #OptiPlex Targets #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Dell-Optiplex-780-USFF-and-Vostro-V13/ | Dec 11 18:01 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu-ready Dell desktop looks like a nettop - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 64.97 KB | Dec 11 18:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Myths and Lies (Partly Microsoft-inspired) a Barrier to #GNU #Linux #Desktop Adoption http://ur1.ca/hkof | Dec 11 18:02 | |
*desudesudesu has quit (Connection timed out) | Dec 11 18:08 | |
ender2070 | gotta love commenters | Dec 11 18:09 |
ender2070 | "rms would rather not use ANY software at all unless it’s free. Extemist and fundamentalist to the extreme, he is certainly entitled to his opinions, but as the founder of the FSF, those opinions carry with it ripples throughout the entire organization the same as the opinions of an owner of a company have the same ripple affect throught that organization as well." | Dec 11 18:09 |
ender2070 | I guess the FSF should promote proprietary software, not FREE software, as in their name | Dec 11 18:10 |
DaemonFC | http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/12/if_you_have_nothing.html | Dec 11 18:11 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Asa Dotzler: Firefox and more: if you have nothing to hide... .::. Size~: 125.93 KB | Dec 11 18:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nouveau Officially Going Into #Linux #Kernel Space, #DRBD Too http://ur1.ca/hkov http://ur1.ca/hkow | Dec 11 18:12 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Nouveau To Go Into Linux 2.6.33 Kernel! .::. Size~: 18.65 KB | Dec 11 18:12 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Linus Torvalds Accepts DRBD into Linux Kernel .::. Size~: 29.65 KB | Dec 11 18:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Games on #GNU #Linux with Single-click Interface http://ur1.ca/hkpb | Dec 11 18:16 | |
*sebsebseb (n=3seb@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 18:20 | |
sebsebseb | hi | Dec 11 18:20 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Sees Many Migrations to #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware , on VMs Also http://ur1.ca/hkpx | Dec 11 18:23 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: CXOtoday.com > Interview > Balance Has Shifted In Favor Of Open Source .::. Size~: 75.71 KB | Dec 11 18:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Reaches Out for #Wallpaper Proposals for Tens of Millions of Users http://ur1.ca/hkq5 http://ur1.ca/hkq6 | Dec 11 18:24 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Alpha 1 Has Linux Kernel 2.6.32 - The Lucid Lynx Chronicles - Softpedia .::. Size~: 54.14 KB | Dec 11 18:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Jolicloud Makes First Public Appearances as Pre-Beta http://ur1.ca/hkq9 http://ur1.ca/hkqa | Dec 11 18:26 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Jolicloud Netbook OS is another cool Ubuntu based OS .::. Size~: 35.75 KB | Dec 11 18:26 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Jolicloud Launches Beta Version Of Its Netbook OS At Le Web - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 90.22 KB | Dec 11 18:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WesternDigital Storage Product Powered by #Linux http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/western-digital-sharespace-nas/ | Dec 11 18:30 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Western Digital ShareSpace NAS | Linux User .::. Size~: 30.41 KB | Dec 11 18:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia / #Maemo / #Linux Named a Top 10 Mobile Phone http://www.top10.co.uk/mobilephones/news/2009/12/nokia_n900_lands_on_top_10/ | Dec 11 18:35 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Top 10 Mobile Phones » News » Nokia N900 lands on Top 10 Mobile Phones .::. Size~: 43.81 KB | Dec 11 18:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux #Phone Names Gadget of the Year http://ur1.ca/hkr4 http://ur1.ca/hkr5 | Dec 11 18:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Top Sub-notebooks Remembers Importance of #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/hkra | Dec 11 18:36 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Motorola Droid named gadget of the year by TIME magazine | T3 magazine .::. Size~: 25.61 KB | Dec 11 18:36 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Briefing.com: The Game-Changing Android OS .::. Size~: 51.63 KB | Dec 11 18:36 |
phIRCe-local | Title: 15 best netbooks in the world today | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 60.35 KB | Dec 11 18:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Not Just for Geeks, #GIMP in the Press http://ur1.ca/hkri http://ur1.ca/hkrj | Dec 11 18:38 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Designer’s (Free!) Toolbox: GIMP .::. Size~: 48.44 KB | Dec 11 18:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tatts Sees the Value of Access to Source Code http://ur1.ca/hkrm | Dec 11 18:39 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: CRN .::. Size~: 3.91 KB | Dec 11 18:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware "the first thing you consider for your business." http://www.centralpennbusiness.com/blog.asp?pid=1816 | Dec 11 18:45 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Business News for the Central Pennsylvania region including the Harrisburg, York and Lancaster areas - CentralPennBusiness.com .::. Size~: 60.29 KB | Dec 11 18:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Thunderbird Enjoys Success Story in the News http://ur1.ca/hks8 http://ur1.ca/hks9 My most-used app | Dec 11 18:46 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: French military helps power Thunderbird | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 54.89 KB | Dec 11 18:46 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Databases Debate Resumes in Europe http://ur1.ca/hksf http://ur1.ca/hksg http://ur1.ca/hksh | Dec 11 18:47 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Oracle plays hardball with Euro regulators • The Register .::. Size~: 25.8 KB | Dec 11 18:47 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Fluendo Group Concerned Over EC Threat to Open-Source Investment .::. Size~: 36.56 KB | Dec 11 18:47 |
phIRCe-local | Title: MySQL in Oracles Hands: Open Source Users Weigh In .::. Size~: 32.34 KB | Dec 11 18:48 |
*desu_ has quit ("Leaving") | Dec 11 18:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Java #Programming Goodies Are Released http://ur1.ca/hkt0 http://ur1.ca/hkt1 | Dec 11 18:57 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: JetBrains releases two variants of Java development environment IntelliJ IDEA 9 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.3 KB | Dec 11 18:57 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Dr. Dobb's | Sun Releases Java EE 6, Glassfish v3 Portfolio, and NetBeans 6.8 | December 10, 2009 .::. Size~: 92.4 KB | Dec 11 18:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Updegrove on #Standards with Analogies http://www.consortiuminfo.org/bulletins/#considerthis | Dec 11 18:59 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Consortiuminfo.org Consortium Standards Journal — October – November 2009 .::. Size~: 128.96 KB | Dec 11 18:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Approach to #Privacy Slammed by #Security Guru http://ur1.ca/hfq5 http://ur1.ca/hk8e | Dec 11 18:59 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Schneier on Security: My Reaction to Eric Schmidt .::. Size~: 119.13 KB | Dec 11 18:59 |
*desudesudesu (n=desu@59.178.37.40) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 19:00 | |
*desudesudesu has quit (Connection reset by peer) | Dec 11 19:01 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dr Peter Watts, Canadian science fiction writer, beaten and arrested at US border http://ur1.ca/hktb #policestate | Dec 11 19:01 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #JooJoo may get sued into the ground anyhow http://ur1.ca/hktl | Dec 11 19:01 | |
*desu_ (n=desu@unaffiliated/desu) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 19:02 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Dr Peter Watts, Canadian science fiction writer, beaten and arrested at US border Boing Boing .::. Size~: 259 KB | Dec 11 19:02 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Lawsuit: Fusion Garage registered JooJoo domain weeks before ditching TechCrunch, misrepresented production costs Boing Boing .::. Size~: 57.73 KB | Dec 11 19:02 |
*gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has left #boycottnovell | Dec 11 19:03 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Warnings About Implications of #ACTA / #IntellectualMonopolies http://ur1.ca/hh4g http://ur1.ca/hktd | Dec 11 19:03 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: ACTA: A Global Threat to Freedoms (Open Letter) | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 46.13 KB | Dec 11 19:03 |
*gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 19:05 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Method to repair damaged nerves http://ur1.ca/hktq #science | Dec 11 19:06 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] First Known Binary Star Is Discovered to Be a Triplet, Quadruplet, Quintuplet, Sextuplet System http://ur1.ca/hkty | Dec 11 19:06 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] How to build yet another sci-fi drive http://ur1.ca/hku2 | Dec 11 19:06 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Science Story | Method To Repair Damaged Adult Nerves Discovered .::. Size~: 128.31 KB | Dec 11 19:06 |
phIRCe-local | Title: First known binary star is discovered to be a triplet, quadruplet, quintuplet, sextuplet system .::. Size~: 51.57 KB | Dec 11 19:06 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Science Story | How To Build a Quantum Propulsion Machine .::. Size~: 144.82 KB | Dec 11 19:06 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Ghostbusters 3 would have made an awesome movie http://ur1.ca/hkub | Dec 11 19:11 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Sigourney Weaver Reveals 'Ghostbusters 3' Spoilers? - Cinematical .::. Size~: 65.65 KB | Dec 11 19:11 |
*TaQ (n=taq@189.79.209.244) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 19:12 | |
ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=427 | Dec 11 19:19 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Pwnage.ca » Canadian Beaten by Corrupt US Authorities .::. Size~: 19.41 KB | Dec 11 19:19 |
ender2070 | i got a quote from the authors website | Dec 11 19:26 |
ender2070 | its a fucking outrage | Dec 11 19:26 |
Diablo-D3 | didnt I already link to something about that? | Dec 11 19:27 |
schestowitz | [17:41] <ender2070> same, Im quite vocal about being anti ms | Dec 11 19:27 |
schestowitz | There is nothing wrong with being "Anti-crime" | Dec 11 19:28 |
schestowitz | [18:10] <ender2070> I guess the FSF should promote proprietary software, not FREE software, as in their name | Dec 11 19:28 |
schestowitz | Lots of spin used to make the FSF look "extreme" and "irrational". All spin and PR. | Dec 11 19:29 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: What about Asa Dotzler recommending Bing and saying Google is effectively spyware? | Dec 11 19:29 |
schestowitz | Daemonisation and glorification experts | Dec 11 19:29 |
schestowitz | Microsoft sends out its shills like CompTIA to smear RMS | Dec 11 19:29 |
MinceR | as if bingo wasn't effectively spyware | Dec 11 19:29 |
schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't do this directly | Dec 11 19:29 |
schestowitz | It's like someone hiring hitmen | Dec 11 19:29 |
DaemonFC | Bing's privacy policy does fit on one page | Dec 11 19:30 |
DaemonFC | that's a start I guess | Dec 11 19:30 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft does have a history of violating their own privacy policies though | Dec 11 19:30 |
DaemonFC | so take it with some salt | Dec 11 19:30 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: Microsoft is no better than Google | Dec 11 19:31 |
schestowitz | It's an idiotic remark from him, one among many | Dec 11 19:31 |
DaemonFC | Google/Eric Schmidt is disturbing though, from their public statements effectively admitting that they sell you out to the government without thinking twce | Dec 11 19:31 |
DaemonFC | *twice | Dec 11 19:32 |
schestowitz | Disable JS and pray that your data doesn't pass around too much. There's also scroogle, which I know MinceR is using | Dec 11 19:32 |
schestowitz | [19:29] <MinceR> as if bingo wasn't effectively spyware | Dec 11 19:32 |
schestowitz | Ah, beat me to it | Dec 11 19:32 |
schestowitz |  | Dec 11 19:32 |
schestowitz | [19:30] <DaemonFC> Microsoft does have a history of violating their own privacy policies though | Dec 11 19:32 |
schestowitz | Snoops for govt | Dec 11 19:32 |
schestowitz | Google at least denied it | Dec 11 19:32 |
schestowitz | IIRC, Microsoft gave the govt data on dissenters without a fight, like Yahhhhhhhhhoo! | Dec 11 19:33 |
schestowitz | [19:31] <DaemonFC> Google/Eric Schmidt is disturbing though, from their public statements effectively admitting that they sell you out to the government without thinking twce | Dec 11 19:33 |
schestowitz | No, they fight it | Dec 11 19:33 |
schestowitz | Also in Verixon case | Dec 11 19:33 |
schestowitz | *zon | Dec 11 19:33 |
ender2070 | I added what I read on Dr Peter Watts blog | Dec 11 19:33 |
schestowitz | THey fought back | Dec 11 19:33 |
MinceR | well, judging by the backdoors, m$ gives the governments your data just as lightly | Dec 11 19:33 |
schestowitz | Look at Groklaw's article about it | Dec 11 19:33 |
schestowitz | It's not true that they are like this | Dec 11 19:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RMS is under more fresh attacks from the proprietarists. Be alert. | Dec 11 19:33 | |
schestowitz | Among the 'big three' they are the only ones fighting against snoops | Dec 11 19:34 |
*lis` (n=lis@pub212004091247.dh-hfc.datazug.ch) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 19:34 | |
schestowitz | Yahoo! has a leaked price list even | Dec 11 19:34 |
DaemonFC | Comcast and AT&T will both cooperate without even demanding a warrant | Dec 11 19:34 |
MinceR | and since eric schmidt has said what he said on privacy, they are obviously not to be trusted with any private data | Dec 11 19:34 |
DaemonFC | those are the only two broadband ISPs around here though | Dec 11 19:34 |
ender2070 | "n that other timeline I was not punched in the face, pepper-sprayed, shit-kicked, handcuffed, thrown wet and half-naked into a holding cell for three fucking hours, thrown into an even colder jail cell overnight, arraigned, and charged with assaulting a federal officer, all without access to legal representation" | Dec 11 19:34 |
DaemonFC | I'd like to ue TOR but it dlows down your browsing to a crawl and you start getting sites loading in every language on Earth | Dec 11 19:35 |
DaemonFC | *use | Dec 11 19:36 |
DaemonFC | *slows, aggh | Dec 11 19:36 |
DaemonFC | TOR = Load Google and get it in French, refresh the page and it's in Japanese now.... | Dec 11 19:36 |
DaemonFC | ten or twelve attempts later, you get English | Dec 11 19:36 |
ender2070 | thats geoip for you | Dec 11 19:37 |
ender2070 | are you surprised | Dec 11 19:37 |
DaemonFC | not really | Dec 11 19:37 |
DaemonFC | it just makes TOR even less practical | Dec 11 19:37 |
ender2070 | not really | Dec 11 19:37 |
ender2070 | its google that is trying to guess where you are | Dec 11 19:37 |
schestowitz | RMS is so polite... http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00049.html | Dec 11 19:37 |
MinceR | you could set google to english manually | Dec 11 19:38 |
MinceR | also you could use scroogle through tor :) | Dec 11 19:38 |
MinceR | or a public web-based proxy through tor | Dec 11 19:38 |
MinceR | though scroogle won't help you with google images, afaik | Dec 11 19:39 |
MinceR | i mean image search | Dec 11 19:39 |
MinceR | btw, there might be a way to tell Tor to choose an exit node from an english-speaking country | Dec 11 19:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aslam: @sunil_abraham american qawwals (with female tabla player) playing in India, urs of hazrat baba... http://tinyurl.com/y9ytlw5 | Dec 11 19:40 | |
ender2070 | I wrote to my MP regarding the Canadian who was beaten by corrupt US authorities | Dec 11 19:46 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] today.com is leaping the shark. Need new domain for NotN. All obvious domains are taken. Name ideas please! | Dec 11 19:50 | |
tessier | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/10/microsoft-users-gullible-advertising/ | Dec 11 19:51 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Are Microsoft Users More Gullible When It Comes To Online Advertising? .::. Size~: 156.25 KB | Dec 11 19:51 |
tessier | Interesting | Dec 11 19:51 |
tessier | RMS? Polite? | Dec 11 19:52 |
tessier | RMS suggesting a mild approach?! | Dec 11 19:52 |
tessier | This email is obviously a forgery. | Dec 11 19:52 |
schestowitz | :-D | Dec 11 19:52 |
ender2070 | LOL http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00052.html | Dec 11 19:54 |
MinceR | perhaps it's time for the FSF to start supporting KDE instead? :> | Dec 11 19:55 |
ender2070 | yes | Dec 11 19:55 |
ender2070 | some of the gnome ppl want to vote to be out of the GNU project | Dec 11 19:55 |
ender2070 | lefty seconds the vote | Dec 11 19:56 |
ender2070 | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00056.html | Dec 11 19:56 |
MinceR | or Gnome could be forked | Dec 11 19:56 |
*TaQ (n=taq@189.79.209.244) has left #boycottnovell | Dec 11 19:56 | |
MinceR | there could be a Gnome, where the G stands for G and there could be a MacWindows.NET where miguel, lefty and all their pals could push mono all the way they want and copy the broken macos GUI all the way | Dec 11 19:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard can you export the data? | Dec 11 19:57 | |
MinceR | s/for G/&NU/ | Dec 11 19:57 |
*Python1320 has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 19:57 | |
*amarsh04 has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 19:57 | |
schestowitz | ender2070: can you summarise that in your blog? | Dec 11 19:57 |
*desu has quit ("ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net") | Dec 11 20:05 | |
*sebsebseb has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*DaemonFC has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*jono has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*ender2070 has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*ikonia has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*PetoKraus has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*lis` has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*tessier has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*ChanServ has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*Aondo has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*Balrog has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*zoobab has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*cubezzz has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*schestowitz has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*BNi has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*logger_bot has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*gargoyle-grin has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*desu_ has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:08 | |
*Diablo-D3 has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:09 | |
*MinceR has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:09 | |
*Omar87 has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:09 | |
*BNc has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:09 | |
*phIRCe-local has quit (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:09 | |
*Disconnected (). | Dec 11 20:25 | |
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 11 20:25:01 2009 | ||
MinceR | there could be a Gnome, where the G stands for G and there could be a MacWindows.NET where miguel, lefty and all their pals could push mono all the way they want and copy the broken macos GUI all the way | Dec 11 19:21 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard can you export the data? | Dec 11 19:21 | |
MinceR | s/for G/&NU/ | Dec 11 19:22 |
*Python1320 has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 19:22 | |
*amarsh04 has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 19:22 | |
schestowitz | ender2070: can you summarise that in your blog? | Dec 11 19:22 |
ender2070 | yeah | Dec 11 19:23 |
*schestowitz_log has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 19:26 | |
*desu has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 19:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: All praise the Hammond B-3. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2009/12/11/all-praise-the-hammond-b-3/ | Dec 11 19:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz AHAHAHAHA. No, but I can pagescrape like anything. | Dec 11 19:26 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Rocknerd » Blog Archive » All praise the Hammond B-3. .::. Size~: 6.07 KB | Dec 11 19:27 |
tessier | France's military chose open source software after an internal government debate that began in 2003 and culminated in a November 6, 2007, directive requiring state agencies "Seek maximum technological and commercial independence." | Dec 11 19:28 |
tessier | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091210/tc_nm/us_mozilla_france | Dec 11 19:28 |
phIRCe-local | Title: French army sides with Mozilla in Microsoft email war - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 101.01 KB | Dec 11 19:28 |
tessier | Very interesting... | Dec 11 19:28 |
tessier | the French military, which decided the open source product was more secure than Microsoft's rival Outlook. | Dec 11 19:28 |
MinceR | that's hardly surprising | Dec 11 19:29 |
tessier | It is surprising in that you still rarely see governments coming out in favor of FOSS before they are shut up by MS | Dec 11 19:29 |
MinceR | indeed | Dec 11 19:29 |
ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=433 | Dec 11 19:39 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Pwnage.ca » Gnome to Split Off from GNU Project? .::. Size~: 17.74 KB | Dec 11 19:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh, and are there any uk-serving ad networks that aren't google ads and yet are worth more than shit? | Dec 11 19:40 | |
MinceR | i guess now we'll find out how much is gnome tainted by m$ drones | Dec 11 19:41 |
*desu (i=desu@i.hate.your.vhosts.shellium.org) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 19:42 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz turns out i can export it and have. wordpress xml. looks like everything. | Dec 11 19:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 and #Microsoft Under New Sieges by Analysts http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/new-analyses-microsoft/ | Dec 11 19:47 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Vista 7 and Microsoft Under New Sieges by Analysts | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.38 KB | Dec 11 19:48 |
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 11 20:25:33 2009 | ||
*Now talking on #boycottnovell | Dec 11 20:25 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Dec 11 20:25 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Nov 29 20:53:52 2009 | Dec 11 20:25 | |
-ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Dec 11 20:25 | |
*Python1320 (n=Python13@unaffiliated/python1320) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 20:28 | |
*amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@ppp118-210-249-193.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 20:28 | |
*desu has quit (Client Quit) | Dec 11 20:29 | |
tessier | hmmm | Dec 11 20:31 |
tessier | http://lopsa.org/pipermail/tech/2009-December/003929.html | Dec 11 20:31 |
tessier | How does one address this? | Dec 11 20:32 |
tessier | How does one address the oh-so-politically-correct "I'll always use the best tool for the job regardless of the consequences" meme? | Dec 11 20:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and now travelling back from work...not so depressing... | Dec 11 20:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I really hate the train....how people can come to work in it every day amazes me. | Dec 11 20:33 | |
*kentma (n=user@host86-152-96-94.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 20:34 | |
DaemonFC | http://popup.lala.com/popup/504684655011188558 | Dec 11 20:36 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Lala Song Player - The Alternative Polka by Weird Al Yankovic .::. Size~: 22.88 KB | Dec 11 20:36 |
kentma | hi all | Dec 11 20:36 |
schestowitz | Hey, kentma | Dec 11 20:44 |
schestowitz | tessier: do you know the poster? | Dec 11 20:45 |
kentma | hi Roy | Dec 11 20:45 |
tessier | No, I don't. But I am crafting a response. | Dec 11 20:45 |
tessier | I have seen him around on the list for a while. | Dec 11 20:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Interests Seemingly Bought by Corporations http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/gnome-poisonous-people/ | Dec 11 20:46 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: GNOME Interests Seemingly Bought by Corporations | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 95.01 KB | Dec 11 20:46 |
tessier | Does Microsoft still owe the EU any money for antitrust fines? | Dec 11 20:52 |
tessier | Or did that all get paid off? | Dec 11 20:53 |
tessier | http://news.cnet.com/2100-1014_3-5255715.html says they paid in full but www.cnbc.com/id/23368788 says they "will" pay. I think there was a new fine. | Dec 11 20:53 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft pays EU in full - CNET News .::. Size~: 80.17 KB | Dec 11 20:53 |
tessier | Yea, www.linuxjournal.com/content/why-microsofts-new-eu-fine-just-fine talks about the new fine... | Dec 11 20:54 |
schestowitz | tessier: they have a fine, yes | Dec 11 20:55 |
tessier | Are they refusing to pay? | Dec 11 20:55 |
*Aondo has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:58 | |
*Balrog has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:58 | |
*zoobab has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:58 | |
*cubezzz has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:58 | |
*schestowitz has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:58 | |
*BNi has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 20:58 | |
*Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.85.247.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:01 | |
sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/lucid-to-get-aero-style-rgba.html | Dec 11 21:02 |
phIRCe-local | Title: OMG! UBUNTU!: Ubuntu Lucid To Get Windows Aero Style Look Thanks To Enhanced GTK+ .::. Size~: 87.67 KB | Dec 11 21:02 |
*cubezzz (n=cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:02 | |
*schestowitz () has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:02 | |
*Aondo (i=stian@193.71.154.133) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:02 | |
*zoobab (i=zoobab@vic.ffii.org) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:02 | |
*Balrog (n=BRBT@129.32.100.56) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:02 | |
*BNi (n=twitfolk@192.150.177.70) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:02 | |
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Dec 11 21:02 | |
schestowitz | Many netsplits/downtimes in freenode this week... | Dec 11 21:06 |
ender2070 | :) | Dec 11 21:08 |
ender2070 | ty for linking | Dec 11 21:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Winning Without Winning the ‘Open Source’ Battle http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/moving-targets/ | Dec 11 21:08 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Winning Without Winning the Open Source Battle | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.11 KB | Dec 11 21:08 |
*trmanco (n=trmanco@unaffiliated/trmanco) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:11 | |
sebsebseb | ender2070: was that for my link? | Dec 11 21:14 |
ender2070 | ? | Dec 11 21:14 |
ender2070 | you linked me too? | Dec 11 21:14 |
sebsebseb | I did a link yes | Dec 11 21:14 |
sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/lucid-to-get-aero-style-rgba.html | Dec 11 21:15 |
phIRCe-local | Title: OMG! UBUNTU!: Ubuntu Lucid To Get Windows Aero Style Look Thanks To Enhanced GTK+ .::. Size~: 87.67 KB | Dec 11 21:15 |
ender2070 | ty | Dec 11 21:17 |
ender2070 | bbl | Dec 11 21:21 |
tessier | schestowitz: http://lopsa.org/pipermail/tech/2009-December/003935.html my reply | Dec 11 21:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Catching up with Spooks using the power of Acer Aspire Revo 3600, Ubuntu, Boxee, flvstreamer, get_iplayer & BBC iPlayer | Dec 11 21:26 | |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: wait.. | Dec 11 21:30 |
schestowitz | omgubuntu is you?? | Dec 11 21:30 |
schestowitz | tessier: I just reply with something along the lines of, "to claims there is bigotry against Microsoft is like claiming bigotry against people who were sentenced to jail" | Dec 11 21:32 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: what no | Dec 11 21:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Austria and #Switzerland Complain About #Microsoft #Lockin, #Latvia and #Assam Escape Lock-in http://ur1.ca/hl4n | Dec 11 21:34 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Austria and Switzerland Complain About Microsoft Lock-in, Latvia and Assam Escape Lock-in | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.92 KB | Dec 11 21:34 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: not me, why? | Dec 11 21:35 |
*trmanco has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Dec 11 21:36 | |
*amarsh04 has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 21:37 | |
*Python1320 has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 21:37 | |
*desu_ has quit ("Leaving") | Dec 11 21:38 | |
*trmanco (n=trmanco@unaffiliated/trmanco) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:38 | |
*amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@ppp118-210-249-193.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:41 | |
*Python1320 (n=Python13@unaffiliated/python1320) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:42 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin Come on now Goblin, do you have a laptop in the train and a wireless Internet connection? | Dec 11 21:43 | |
*Balrog has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 21:55 | |
*zoobab has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 21:55 | |
*Aondo has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 21:55 | |
*cubezzz has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 21:55 | |
*Python1320 has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 21:55 | |
*BNi has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 21:55 | |
*schestowitz has quit (verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | Dec 11 21:55 | |
*sebsebseb has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Dec 11 21:55 | |
*sebsebseb (n=3seb@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:56 | |
*schestowitz () has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:56 | |
*Python1320 (n=Python13@unaffiliated/python1320) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:56 | |
*cubezzz (n=cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:56 | |
*BNi (n=twitfolk@192.150.177.70) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:56 | |
*Balrog (n=BRBT@129.32.100.56) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:56 | |
*zoobab (i=zoobab@vic.ffii.org) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:56 | |
*Aondo (i=stian@193.71.154.133) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:56 | |
*irc.freenode.net gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Dec 11 21:56 | |
*Python1320 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | Dec 11 21:59 | |
*Python132O (n=Python13@unaffiliated/python1320) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 21:59 | |
*ChrisTX (i=lrn2iden@dslb-088-076-056-163.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 22:00 | |
*wallc (i=44e6566b@gateway/web/freenode/x-kbqsuwviblydmbdk) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 22:02 | |
*gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) has left #boycottnovell | Dec 11 22:10 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s FAT Ambush, #RPX “Protection Racket”, and Life-threatening #Patents http://ur1.ca/hle7 | Dec 11 22:23 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Patents Roundup: Microsofts FAT Ambush, RPX “Protection Racket”, and Life-threatening Patents | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.34 KB | Dec 11 22:23 |
*desu (i=desu@unaffiliated/desu) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 22:24 | |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: the way you put it made it sound so | Dec 11 22:24 |
schestowitz | I was surprised | Dec 11 22:24 |
trmanco | http://www.codinghorror.com/ | Dec 11 22:30 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Coding Horror .::. Size~: 0.23 KB | Dec 11 22:30 |
trmanco | the hosting company is a MCP | Dec 11 22:30 |
trmanco | figures... :-P | Dec 11 22:30 |
MinceR | pwnt | Dec 11 22:31 |
*kentma has quit ("Leaving.") | Dec 11 22:33 | |
*kentma (n=user@host86-152-96-94.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 22:33 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] US games company sues British blogger | Technology | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/y9ksxdr | Dec 11 22:36 | |
*ThistleW1b (n=gordon@87.115.34.119.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 22:41 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @eddankatz: Information Technology Principles for Open Government - Yale Information Society Project http://bit.ly/8mkq7e @LauraDeNardis | Dec 11 22:41 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @EFF: Doubleplusgood Joy of Tech comic on Facebook privacy changes: http://eff.org/r.4dS | Dec 11 22:41 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Balkinization .::. Size~: 74.77 KB | Dec 11 22:41 |
phIRCe-local | Title: The Joy of Tech comic... Big Zucker is watching. .::. Size~: 39.95 KB | Dec 11 22:41 |
trmanco | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/12/microsoft-licenses-out-exfat-file-system.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss | Dec 11 22:44 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft licenses out exFAT file system .::. Size~: 33.61 KB | Dec 11 22:44 |
*_goblin (n=goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 22:46 | |
_goblin | hi all... | Dec 11 22:55 |
schestowitz | WIPO is such scum.... http://www.wipo.int/wipo_magazine/en/2009/06/article_0006.html | Dec 11 22:56 |
phIRCe-local | Title: The Song Remains the Same: A Review of the Legalities of Music Sampling .::. Size~: 23.55 KB | Dec 11 22:56 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yeah, Emil I reckon | Dec 11 22:57 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is advertising some anti-Linux patents now | Dec 11 22:57 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/6530758813 | Dec 11 23:00 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Glyn Moody: RT @copycense Following fi ... .::. Size~: 10.02 KB | Dec 11 23:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im getting very sick of the O2 broadband service now. First it was DNS related, now its at dialup speeds. Think it might be time to move on | Dec 11 23:00 | |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/dec/10/personalised-online-radio-rajar | Dec 11 23:00 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive had others report to me that O2 DNS servers are terrible. Shame, a year ago the whole package was very good. #o2 #fail | Dec 11 23:01 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst no I have a mobile phone with net access! | Dec 11 23:03 | |
*_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 11 23:08 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] O2 has managed something the MS faithful never has..Get me to do something else. I give up. O2 is awful imo. Look elsewhere tomorrow. | Dec 11 23:08 | |
schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-variety.com-going-behind-paywall-again-apes-ft.coms-model/ | Dec 11 23:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/09/famous-architecture.html | Dec 11 23:13 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Famous architecture photographer swarmed by multiple police vehicles in London for refusing to tell security guard why he was photographing famous church Boing Boing .::. Size~: 106.89 KB | Dec 11 23:13 |
*oiaohm (n=oiaohm@158.71-26-211.dynamic.dsl.brs.iprimus.net.au) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 23:15 | |
oiaohm | http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/12/11countersue.html Here come trouble. | Dec 11 23:15 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Apple Countersues Nokia .::. Size~: 6.79 KB | Dec 11 23:15 |
schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/emotional_epide.html | Dec 11 23:16 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Schneier on Security: Emotional Epidemiology .::. Size~: 31.45 KB | Dec 11 23:16 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: iSuit | Dec 11 23:17 |
MinceR | iSueEverybody? | Dec 11 23:18 |
*ChrisTX has quit () | Dec 11 23:22 | |
*Balrog_ (n=Balrog@32.150.167.228) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 23:24 | |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh right, well I gave it out a second time, since I thought it had been missed the first time | Dec 11 23:25 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: I replied an hour later, your message 22:19 my reply 23:19 according to my computer, and no I hadn't planned to reply at that exact time. | Dec 11 23:28 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Overstock's CEO exposes #JimCramer (king #douchebag) plan against #SiriusXM http://ur1.ca/hliq | Dec 11 23:31 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Medias Sirius XM (SIRI) Agenda Exposed - Satwaves .::. Size~: 86.33 KB | Dec 11 23:32 |
trmanco | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=433 | Dec 11 23:34 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Pwnage.ca » Gnome to Split Off from GNU Project? .::. Size~: 19.87 KB | Dec 11 23:34 |
ender2070 | http://lopsa.org/pipermail/tech/2009-December/003935.html | Dec 11 23:34 |
ender2070 | i notice someone attacked apple, dell and adobe (anti ms companys) | Dec 11 23:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Is there a Minteee? as in "Mint for netbooks" | Dec 11 23:36 | |
Diablo-D3 | I wonder | Dec 11 23:39 |
Diablo-D3 | does anyone read my identica feed? | Dec 11 23:39 |
*PetoKraus has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Dec 11 23:39 | |
*PetoKraus (n=pk@fsf/member/petokraus) has joined #boycottnovell | Dec 11 23:43 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: GNOME dev proposes vote on split from GNU Project - http://bit.ly/4Wz6BH provocative, moi? #gnome #gnu | Dec 11 23:46 | |
schestowitz | https://nodpi.org/ guy is retiring | Dec 11 23:47 |
phIRCe-local | Title: No Deep Packet Inspection .::. Size~: 37.72 KB | Dec 11 23:47 |
DaemonFC | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091211154928AAgmF1e | Dec 11 23:55 |
phIRCe-local | Title: What would happen if someone still owed QVC Easy Pay but reported their credit card stolen? - Yahoo! Answers .::. Size~: 39.19 KB | Dec 11 23:55 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!