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| trmanco | freenode is going bonkers :| | Dec 12 00:14 |
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| ThistleW1b | can channel ops kick a user off of freenode? | Dec 12 00:20 |
| ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 00:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/add5u/the_fsf_is_asking_for_money_again/ | Dec 12 00:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The FSF is Asking for Money Again : opensource .::. Size~: 162.71 KB | Dec 12 00:21 |
| ender2070 | no | Dec 12 00:21 |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to ThistleW1b | Dec 12 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | ThistleW1b: have a go and check | Dec 12 00:22 |
| ThistleW1b | my normal nick is logged on, I cant change to it, I need it kicked, so I can change to it | Dec 12 00:22 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 12 00:22 |
| ThistleW1b | it's not in any channel according the the whois | Dec 12 00:22 |
| schestowitz | wallc had a similar issue | Dec 12 00:22 |
| ThistleW1b | it's just on | Dec 12 00:22 |
| schestowitz | But there was a /real/ registered wallclimber | Dec 12 00:23 |
| ThistleW1b | I have a shortcut setup to open xfce4-terminal, go maximised and login to irssi | Dec 12 00:23 |
| ThistleW1b | it's been flaky where it's opened like 3 times | Dec 12 00:23 |
| ThistleW1b | and froze my pc to the point I had to switch power off | Dec 12 00:23 |
| ThistleW1b | I'm guessing at one point it locked my nick | Dec 12 00:24 |
| schestowitz | kill the process? | Dec 12 00:24 |
| ThistleW1b | I just noticed I'm a temp op, I dunno the comamnds | Dec 12 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I had some perl jobs run from terminal and stay between sessions | Dec 12 00:24 |
| ThistleW1b | I cant see it listed | Dec 12 00:24 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, the terminal was done, so i didn't get stdio for the Perl stuff | Dec 12 00:24 |
| ThistleW1b | I have one irssi session, this one | Dec 12 00:24 |
| schestowitz | It's Bni | Dec 12 00:25 |
| ThistleW1b | so how do you kick a nick then | Dec 12 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Running still, like a zombie | Dec 12 00:25 |
| trmanco | ghost | Dec 12 00:25 |
| trmanco | ./nickserv help ghost | Dec 12 00:25 |
| ThistleW1b | !ghost ThistleWeb | Dec 12 00:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #freenode has been very turbulent recently... | Dec 12 00:25 | |
| trmanco | no | Dec 12 00:25 |
| schestowitz | kentma 's ISP had freenode give him nyms every time something went down for a moment | Dec 12 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/16526601 | Dec 12 00:27 |
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| *ThistleW1b is now known as ThistleWeb | Dec 12 00:28 | |
| trmanco | ThistleWeb: it worked? | Dec 12 00:29 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I was in the #freenode channel too | Dec 12 00:29 |
| schestowitz | The KDE ogg I posted today got almost 6000 requests so far | Dec 12 00:30 |
| ThistleWeb | between your instructions and theirs I figured out how to use ghost | Dec 12 00:30 |
| ThistleWeb | how do I give up ops now? | Dec 12 00:30 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from ThistleWeb | Dec 12 00:30 | |
| ThistleWeb | ty | Dec 12 00:30 |
| ThistleWeb | well, I learned something new tonight lol | Dec 12 00:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/reviews/product/pr_nook | Dec 12 00:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Barnes & Noble Nook | Wired.com Product Reviews .::. Size~: 53.38 KB | Dec 12 00:32 |
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| ender2070 | kde ogg? | Dec 12 00:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] mintCast » Episode 27: GRUB - all you ever wanted to know about how to use grub http://tinyurl.com/yafl9xa | Dec 12 00:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Just discovered that there was a consultation on software patents in Australia: http://i5.be/1G | Dec 12 00:58 | |
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| sebsebseb | http://www.workswithu.com/2009/12/10/dell-website-shows-ubuntu-more-respect/ | Dec 12 01:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Israel holding a consultation about software patents: http://i5.be/1H | Dec 12 01:10 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ESP Software Patents News » Blog Archive » Israel in danger of software patents .::. Size~: 8.41 KB | Dec 12 01:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] "LJ Jacobs has presented powerful arguments as to why software patents are not in the interest of promoting progress" http://i5.be/1I | Dec 12 01:13 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.workswithu.com/2009/12/10/dell-website-shows-ubuntu-more-respect/ | Dec 12 01:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dell U.S. Website Shows Ubuntu More Respect | WorksWithU .::. Size~: 50.49 KB | Dec 12 01:25 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: kde demo as ogg | Dec 12 01:25 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: heh. He's using two images from Boycott Novell | Dec 12 01:27 |
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| zoobab | and one from FFII gallery | Dec 12 01:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-12-11-017-35-MM-SW-0000 | Dec 12 01:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Make Linux look awesome! .::. Size~: 76.27 KB | Dec 12 01:32 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: yes, seen that one too | Dec 12 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ERSw7xK248 | Dec 12 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | S.C. First Lady Asks for a Divorce From Governor | Dec 12 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Gossip and drama | Dec 12 01:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the comments in YouTube are some of the filthiest you can find, even in 4chan and digg | Dec 12 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Check out the comments on that video | Dec 12 01:35 |
| ender2070 | Updated http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=433 | Dec 12 01:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Pwnage.ca » Gnome to Split Off from GNU Project? .::. Size~: 21.03 KB | Dec 12 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | cool | Dec 12 01:36 |
| ender2070 | based upon this: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00058.html | Dec 12 01:36 |
| dyfet | GNOME with a G is GNOME without a M...GONE ;) | Dec 12 01:37 |
| ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 01:42 |
| dyfet | that probably should be "is (actually)"... | Dec 12 01:44 |
| ender2070 | i wonder if I'll hit slashdot | Dec 12 01:46 |
| dyfet | (and without a GNU)...Yeah, I imagine it would be a slashdot story | Dec 12 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Hey, dyfet | Dec 12 01:47 |
| schestowitz | KDE goes x-platform | Dec 12 01:47 |
| dyfet | eh? | Dec 12 01:47 |
| schestowitz | So in a way, gnome might still be more Linux-centric | Dec 12 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Also no Qt | Dec 12 01:47 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: KDE SC | Dec 12 01:47 |
| dyfet | well, kde had a vision for that, for being a means to deliver kde apps everywhere. This means it is interesting in it's own way. | Dec 12 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Money can corrupt almost everything. Some companies funded GNOME (just chiefs) and then put obedient puppets up there. Y'know, RoI.... shareholder vaaaaaaalu... Novell's Untz is in the board | Dec 12 01:50 |
| dyfet | There are other gtk based desktops, so if gnome is gone, there is no real void | Dec 12 01:50 |
| schestowitz | I think we get binary poisoning at this stage, as FOSS is winning | Dec 12 01:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @zoobab: "LJ Jacobs has presented powerful arguments as to why sw patents are not in the interest of promoting progress http://i5.be/1I | Dec 12 01:52 | |
| dyfet | binary poisoning, I like that term :). Yes, tying freedom to things that are actually proprietary, whether by binary poisoning, license and patent poisoning (mono), or freedom tied to source secret platforms (so called open source on windows, like a gnu chained in a dungeon) | Dec 12 01:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Round Table on Software Patents at the Israel Patent Office « The IP Factor .::. Size~: 42.83 KB | Dec 12 01:52 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/364353/ | Dec 12 01:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Between Fedora 12 and 13 [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 106.97 KB | Dec 12 01:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @techdirt: Russian Publishers Taking A More Progressive View On Book 'Piracy' http://dlvr.it/4DD | Dec 12 01:54 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Russian Publishers Taking A More Progressive View On Book 'Piracy' | Techdirt .::. Size~: 22.75 KB | Dec 12 01:54 |
| dyfet | schestowitz: I actually got a feature approved for F13 | Dec 12 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Dec 12 01:54 |
| dyfet | SIP Witch domain dialing to replace Skype with free software... | Dec 12 01:55 |
| dyfet | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SIP_Witch_Domain_Telephony | Dec 12 01:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Features/SIP Witch Domain Telephony - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 25.13 KB | Dec 12 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Excellent | Dec 12 01:56 |
| schestowitz | But skype doesn't do SIP, does it? | Dec 12 01:56 |
| dyfet | I did not appreciate the fact you have an http grabber | Dec 12 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Digital peasants are what keeps skype going | Dec 12 01:57 |
| dyfet | No, and we do not do skype protocol, we do privacy and security entirely with free software and standard protocols... | Dec 12 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Who, me? | Dec 12 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that one.. | Dec 12 01:57 |
| schestowitz | phIRCe-local is written by trmanco | Dec 12 01:57 |
| dyfet | we also have it in Ubuntu for Lucid.... | Dec 12 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Good stuff | Dec 12 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Well, as you know, Vista 8 is right around the corner | Dec 12 01:59 |
| trmanco | I use skype | Dec 12 01:59 |
| schestowitz | "Real soon now," according to Microsoft | Dec 12 01:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Wikimedia: Wonder which #Wikipedia fundraising banners work and which don't? Head of Giving, Rand Monto... http://bit.ly/WikipediaBanner | Dec 12 01:59 | |
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| trmanco | they are going to release an "open source" version of skype | Dec 12 01:59 |
| schestowitz | It will "f* kill Linux" as their "evangelists" always put it, so good Linux features are required | Dec 12 02:00 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no | Dec 12 02:00 |
| dyfet | tramnco: they are releasing an open source gui on top of a source secret binary library, it is using the community, not participating in it. or "binary poisoning" | Dec 12 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Just GUI | Dec 12 02:00 |
| trmanco | I bet they will strip it out in many ways... but, better than nothing | Dec 12 02:00 |
| trmanco | it can't be just a GUI | Dec 12 02:00 |
| schestowitz | JeOS | Dec 12 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Just enough open source | Dec 12 02:01 |
| schestowitz | To put the "open source" label somewhere, somehow around skype | Dec 12 02:01 |
| schestowitz | To confuse | Dec 12 02:01 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - you think access is paying 10 grand just to have Leftys name in the advisory board? | Dec 12 02:01 |
| dyfet | trmanco: yes, just the gui, tied to a source secret library to drive the actual protocols (or that can hold backdoors...) | Dec 12 02:01 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: they are _NOT_ a charity | Dec 12 02:02 |
| ender2070 | exactly | Dec 12 02:02 |
| schestowitz | They have obligation to sh*tholders.... ie. RoI | Dec 12 02:02 |
| ender2070 | I think the advisory board has a lot of power | Dec 12 02:02 |
| trmanco | oh | Dec 12 02:02 |
| trmanco | I didn't know about the secret library thing :| | Dec 12 02:02 |
| schestowitz | It's a secret | Dec 12 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Not we have to kill you :-) | Dec 12 02:03 |
| dyfet | An application that requires a source secret binary (such as a library) to run is not free software or even open source, since it violates freedom 0 | Dec 12 02:03 |
| ender2070 | companys arent paying that much money if they dont have power | Dec 12 02:03 |
| ender2070 | its going up to 20 grand for 2010 | Dec 12 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Jsy | Dec 12 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Just for non-cosders | Dec 12 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Which I find ironic | Dec 12 02:03 |
| schestowitz | The coders code for food | Dec 12 02:03 |
| schestowitz | The marketing flunkers get paid | Dec 12 02:04 |
| ender2070 | companys that want to be on the advisory board have to pay | Dec 12 02:04 |
| ender2070 | small companys have to pay 10 grand | Dec 12 02:04 |
| ender2070 | in 2010 | Dec 12 02:04 |
| schestowitz | I thought advisors would be paid :-) | Dec 12 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Seems all reversed | Dec 12 02:04 |
| schestowitz | But ISO meetings were similar | Dec 12 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid for the Norway meetings on OOXML and standards | Dec 12 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is not a charity | Dec 12 02:05 |
| schestowitz | It bribes | Dec 12 02:05 |
| ender2070 | they paid RMS about $700 in q3 for something | Dec 12 02:05 |
| schestowitz | RMS won an award some years back, he'd get along fine | Dec 12 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Does he still live around MIT lab? | Dec 12 02:06 |
| schestowitz | CS is it called there? | Dec 12 02:06 |
| schestowitz | They have several sub-departments... | Dec 12 02:06 |
| schestowitz | He used to live and sleep in his office for several years | Dec 12 02:06 |
| cubezzz | no, I bet he still needs some income | Dec 12 02:07 |
| cubezzz | he won that prize a long time ago | Dec 12 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Why the heck does Sutor link to Endrloon? http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=4757 | Dec 12 02:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Daily Links for Thursday, December 10, 2009 | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 48.62 KB | Dec 12 02:09 |
| schestowitz | RMS is like Nader in some ways | Dec 12 02:10 |
| schestowitz | RMS actually supports Nader | Dec 12 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Both daemonised endlessly and marginalised by the media | Dec 12 02:10 |
| dyfet | That is true | Dec 12 02:10 |
| schestowitz | No big funding because they fight power rather than shill for it | Dec 12 02:10 |
| cubezzz | as I recall Stallman won the MacArthur Fellows award of $250,000 in 1990 | Dec 12 02:10 |
| cubezzz | 19 years ago | Dec 12 02:10 |
| cubezzz | Nader gets on TV more than Stallman | Dec 12 02:14 |
| cubezzz | both guys are great though | Dec 12 02:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.advogato.org/article/1025.html | Dec 12 02:14 |
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| schestowitz | TV doesn't cover s/w much | Dec 12 02:15 |
| schestowitz | When it does, it's very, very dumbed down | Dec 12 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Like HypePhones and Pearly patting puppies | Dec 12 02:15 |
| cubezzz | yes, that's true of almost anything on the TV | Dec 12 02:15 |
| ender2070 | [21:05] <schestowitz> No big funding because they fight power rather than shill for it | Dec 12 02:17 |
| ender2070 | thats probably what he spent all his money on | Dec 12 02:17 |
| schestowitz | He flies to speak a lot... coach | Dec 12 02:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1565893/tablets-coming-maybe | Dec 12 02:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1565796/how-eat-day How much data do you eat in a day? | Dec 12 02:20 |
| schestowitz | I'm knacked, cya in the morning | Dec 12 02:20 |
| cubezzz | later | Dec 12 02:21 |
| trmanco | yeah, me too | Dec 12 02:21 |
| trmanco | see you all later | Dec 12 02:21 |
| dyfet | night all | Dec 12 02:22 |
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| cubezzz | haha, some christmas web pages max out my cpu | Dec 12 02:27 |
| cubezzz | must be really bad programming | Dec 12 02:27 |
| cubezzz | I remember one guy complaining "I have a super fast cpu and 4 gigs of ram and a terabyte hard-drive, and my computer is still slow" | Dec 12 02:29 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Tell him to run software from a late night commercial | Dec 12 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 12 03:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: U.S. Industry Fights to Keep Blind People in the Dark http://bit.ly/5BI0pi #copyright | Dec 12 03:20 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Copyright Owners Fight Plan to Release E-Books for the Blind | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 84.33 KB | Dec 12 03:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @techdirt: So A Lawyer, A Comedian And An Economist Walk Into A Bar... Copyright, Reputation And Comedy http://dlvr.it/4DZ | Dec 12 03:24 | |
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| ender2070 | http://slashdot.org/~blozza2070/submissions | Dec 12 03:51 |
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| ender2070 | time to avoid mozilla, possibly | Dec 12 04:32 |
| ender2070 | http://yro.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=09/12/11/0541259 | Dec 12 04:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Mozilla Exec Urges Switch From Google To Bing .::. Size~: 177.54 KB | Dec 12 04:34 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6e7wfDHzew&feature=player_embedded | Dec 12 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | Google CEO Eric Schmidt on privacy | Dec 12 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | in other words, we'll sell you out faster than a Chinese journalist | Dec 12 04:52 |
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| ender2070 | lol you're so naive | Dec 12 05:08 |
| ender2070 | you have no privacy on the net, whatsoever | Dec 12 05:08 |
| ender2070 | right now this conversation is being monitored by homeland security and a computer program is analyzing it for key terms | Dec 12 05:09 |
| ender2070 | alternatively they could be recommending other search engines | Dec 12 05:11 |
| ender2070 | but hinting at bing? fuck them | Dec 12 05:11 |
| ender2070 | they just want microsoft to come in and pick up the tab, since they have deep pockets | Dec 12 05:11 |
| ender2070 | microsoft will match what google is paying | Dec 12 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091210170054AAsZnAg | Dec 12 05:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How many of you would like to order a sex partner for the night, like the classic film "Logan's Run"? - Yahoo! Answers .::. Size~: 48.28 KB | Dec 12 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Mine is the last one down | Dec 12 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 12 05:14 |
| ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 05:17 |
| ender2070 | they are also implementing direct x features for windows | Dec 12 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Opera is doing DirectX for Windows and OpenGL for all else | Dec 12 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | I think Firefox will do the same | Dec 12 05:18 |
| ender2070 | no opengl plans were mentioned | Dec 12 05:19 |
| ender2070 | direct2d for window$, and nothing different for everyone else | Dec 12 05:19 |
| ender2070 | plus you have chrome os announced recently | Dec 12 05:22 |
| ender2070 | they may be worried their google cheques might stop arriving so they are flirting with m$ | Dec 12 05:22 |
| ender2070 | i dont consider opera, proprietary isnt ethical | Dec 12 05:24 |
| ender2070 | mind you this is completely theory | Dec 12 05:26 |
| ender2070 | this is what the current available evidence points towards | Dec 12 05:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @santhoshtr: project #silpa workout photos from #fossdotin : http://ur1.ca/hm1d and http://ur1.ca/hm1f #smc | Dec 12 05:35 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: DSC_0174.jpg on Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 48.9 KB | Dec 12 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | I think Direct2d works on DirectX 9 and 10 cards | Dec 12 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | not all the DirectX 11 features work on 10.1 cards, but a lot do | Dec 12 05:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @vattam: Live streaming of the scipy.in conference on http://giss.tv:8000/scipy.ogg #scipy #india | Dec 12 05:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #scipy schedule - http://tinyurl.com/y92k4m8 & a live stream from #scipy - http://tinyurl.com/y8lf9jp - Travis Oliphant talking | Dec 12 05:44 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091211193621AAlkyQl | Dec 12 05:57 |
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| DaemonFC | last one down again, some of these are funny | Dec 12 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091211170705AASsd4w | Dec 12 06:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Arguement for gay marriage? - Yahoo! Answers .::. Size~: 52.28 KB | Dec 12 06:02 |
| Ender2070 | thats what I dont get | Dec 12 06:11 |
| Ender2070 | they go against god, but they want the marriage benefits that religion offers | Dec 12 06:11 |
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| satipera | "Game Over, and Done Deal" for Microsoft in the consumer market, he said. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357064,00.asp | Dec 12 07:03 |
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| satipera | French military contribute to Thunderbird 3. http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/12/you-can-blame-the-french-military-for-any-thunderbird-3-issues/ | Dec 12 07:10 |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=446 | Dec 12 07:11 |
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| Ender2070 | its odd how many people recently keep recommending microsoft products | Dec 12 07:33 |
| kecskebak | GNOME is heading for a fork, Mozilla recommending Bing... | Dec 12 07:35 |
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| kecskebak | Ubuntu filling itself with Mono | Dec 12 07:35 |
| kecskebak | Yes, it's all odd | Dec 12 07:35 |
| Omar87 | kecskebak: As for myself, I'm using Kubuntu, so Mono is not much of a problem for me. ;-) | Dec 12 07:41 |
| Omar87 | kecskebak: Though still it pesters me to find Ubuntu developers so damn obsessed with it. | Dec 12 07:42 |
| kecskebak | I can't understand the attraction | Dec 12 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | well, I've got my eye on GNOME still for a few interesting possibilities that are in the pipeline | Dec 12 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | and may materialize within the next release or two | Dec 12 07:45 |
| Ender2070 | all mono related | Dec 12 07:45 |
| kecskebak | GNOME is a fantastic desktop, but it's being trashed | Dec 12 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | none are | Dec 12 07:46 |
| Ender2070 | People in Gnome want it out of GNU | Dec 12 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | the possibilities I'm interested in are the voice/video support for MSN and Yahoo Messengers | Dec 12 07:46 |
| Ender2070 | msn and yahoo are bad services | Dec 12 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | the new glass-like effects | Dec 12 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | you know, stuff people use computers for | Dec 12 07:46 |
| kecskebak | My wife hates computers, uses them under protest, but she noticed how much easier it was to use than Windows | Dec 12 07:47 |
| Ender2070 | perhaps you're in the wrong place, we're here because we have morals | Dec 12 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: Most fast food places deep fry everything and smother it with bacon and mayo | Dec 12 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | Nothing stops you from eating a green leafy salad with no dressing | Dec 12 07:47 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - im not a vegatarian or vegan, thats not my fight | Dec 12 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | but who does? | Dec 12 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | not about that | Dec 12 07:48 |
| Ender2070 | this is boycott novell | Dec 12 07:48 |
| Ender2070 | you know why the boycott exists right? | Dec 12 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's about eating the bacon burger and fries knowing you'll probably keel over of a heart attack | Dec 12 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | even though the salad may be better for you | Dec 12 07:48 |
| Ender2070 | so go hang out in #fastfood | Dec 12 07:48 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | maybe XMPP or whatever people are "supposed" to use is more ideologically pure | Dec 12 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't mean the people you communicate with use it | Dec 12 07:49 |
| Ender2070 | thats why people like RMS exist | Dec 12 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | are there serious IM services that are feature-parity with MSN or Yahoo that anyone uses that are FOSS? | Dec 12 07:50 |
| Ender2070 | to shout and make people aware | Dec 12 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | no | Dec 12 07:50 |
| Ender2070 | yes there are | Dec 12 07:50 |
| Ender2070 | the features that matter for an IM | Dec 12 07:50 |
| Ender2070 | hell they have features msn and yahoo dont | Dec 12 07:51 |
| Ender2070 | like off the record | Dec 12 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | MSN and Yahoo have those | Dec 12 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | add-on | Dec 12 07:51 |
| Ender2070 | via proprietary add-on | Dec 12 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing in the service that prevents you from using OTR | Dec 12 07:51 |
| kecskebak | If GNOME leaves GNU and the project forks, it'll be interesting to see how Ubuntu reacts | Dec 12 07:52 |
| kecskebak | Compared to Fedora | Dec 12 07:53 |
| Ender2070 | Ubuntu will probably stay with Gnome/Mono | Dec 12 07:53 |
| kecskebak | Yes, I reckon it will. And then it'll just be "cheaper windows" essentially | Dec 12 07:53 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Dec 12 07:53 |
| Ender2070 | I hear quite a bit from Ubuntu users being ex-windows users | Dec 12 07:54 |
| kecskebak | I was an ex-Windows user. Interestingly it was Adobe rather than Microsoft that got me interested in Free Software | Dec 12 07:55 |
| kecskebak | Their European Pricing policy, charging UK users more than double made me really think about software | Dec 12 07:55 |
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| kecskebak | I was a Flash developer and had nearly ten years of work locked into their products | Dec 12 07:55 |
| kecskebak | And here they were shafting me because I was in Europe | Dec 12 07:55 |
| Ender2070 | interesting | Dec 12 07:55 |
| Ender2070 | which do you prefer though, flash or silverlight | Dec 12 07:56 |
| kecskebak | Flash | Dec 12 07:56 |
| Ender2070 | :) | Dec 12 07:56 |
| kecskebak | I'll always be grateful to Flash - it fed my family for years | Dec 12 07:56 |
| Ender2070 | or HTML5 :) | Dec 12 07:56 |
| kecskebak | Well, HTML 5 | Dec 12 07:56 |
| kecskebak | I mainly work in Inkscape now | Dec 12 07:57 |
| Ender2070 | Inkscape kicks ass | Dec 12 07:57 |
| kecskebak | But when Macromedia became Adobe they started to get very greedy | Dec 12 07:57 |
| kecskebak | Yes, I spend about 8 or 9 hours a day in Inkscape | Dec 12 07:57 |
| kecskebak | I mainly work in Inkscape, FontForge and The GIMP | Dec 12 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | forks hurt everyone, forks are a bad thing | Dec 12 07:57 |
| kecskebak | I agree | Dec 12 07:58 |
| kecskebak | Inkscape is a fork though :) | Dec 12 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | forks make more incompatibility, inconsistency, and duplicated effort | Dec 12 07:58 |
| Ender2070 | the problem is gnome has a serious conflict right now | Dec 12 07:58 |
| Ender2070 | its part of the gnu project | Dec 12 07:58 |
| Ender2070 | the gnu project doesnt tolerate unethical proprietary software | Dec 12 07:58 |
| Ender2070 | people on planet gnome wouldnt shut up about things like vmware | Dec 12 07:59 |
| Ender2070 | I expected a fork even before this situation popped up | Dec 12 08:00 |
| Ender2070 | 1) Rejection of gnome 3.0, 2) Rejection of increased mono presence | Dec 12 08:00 |
| Ender2070 | I even thought of doing a fork myself, calling it the "Troll Desktop" but I'm not qualified nor do I have the bandwidth | Dec 12 08:01 |
| kecskebak | What's the situation with GNOME 3? | Dec 12 08:01 |
| kecskebak | Why was it rejected? | Dec 12 08:02 |
| Ender2070 | people might reject it | Dec 12 08:02 |
| Ender2070 | as with kde4 | Dec 12 08:02 |
| kecskebak | From what I've seen GNOME shell looks like a good idea. If you are working in Inkscape or The GIMP you often want the maximum real estate for what you're working on | Dec 12 08:02 |
| Ender2070 | im pretty sure you can do the same thing in kde4 | Dec 12 08:03 |
| kecskebak | That's interesting | Dec 12 08:03 |
| kecskebak | brb - housework to do :( | Dec 12 08:03 |
| Ender2070 | kk | Dec 12 08:03 |
| Ender2070 | best distro imo is Fedora12/KDE | Dec 12 08:04 |
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| DaemonFC | GNOME isn't all that bad | Dec 12 08:09 |
| tessier | Wish I knew why qtnx in F11 was segfaulting... | Dec 12 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's Fedora | Dec 12 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | they probably dropped in a bad update along the way | Dec 12 08:10 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Dec 12 08:10 |
| tessier | ah....I think I know why... | Dec 12 08:11 |
| Ender2070 | some non zealot reason? :) | Dec 12 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora has that damned voting system for updates | Dec 12 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | if it works for 3 people, it might go in | Dec 12 08:11 |
| Ender2070 | stop being dumb | Dec 12 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | regardless of if it works for the next 1,000 | Dec 12 08:11 |
| Ender2070 | fedora has 20 million users, so stfu | Dec 12 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm, and a constant churn of updates that are hardly tested | Dec 12 08:12 |
| tessier | Loop: PANIC! Call to bind failed for TCP port 6000. Error is 98 'Address already in use'. | Dec 12 08:12 |
| tessier | Fedora has worked very well for me for years now. | Dec 12 08:12 |
| Ender2070 | you're getting fud from a windows user | Dec 12 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen people using Fedora on corporate servers and wondered if they were crazy or just suicidal | Dec 12 08:13 |
| Ender2070 | You know they base RHEL on Fedora right? | Dec 12 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | because those customers aren't guinea pigs, you are? | Dec 12 08:14 |
| Ender2070 | and you aren't? | Dec 12 08:14 |
| Ender2070 | your windows updates are pushed with very little testing | Dec 12 08:14 |
| Ender2070 | hell, enterprise server has auto updates turned off due to updates breaking internal software so often | Dec 12 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | in 11 years of using them, I've had only one or two problems | Dec 12 08:15 |
| Ender2070 | microsoft doesnt maintain everyones software either | Dec 12 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | most of the problems I've had in Windows are entirely Internet Explorer related | Dec 12 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | well, over time they usually release compatibility update packs, so more things start working again | Dec 12 08:16 |
| Ender2070 | you never even considered the posibility that perhaps FreeNX is broken, you just pointed fingers at Fedora | Dec 12 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've already seen one of those for Windows 7 | Dec 12 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | when I've had problems with Fedora, it's typically been a bad update | Dec 12 08:17 |
| Ender2070 | lol ok | Dec 12 08:17 |
| Ender2070 | i bet you havent tried fedora in years | Dec 12 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | they usually fix them quickly, and then hose something else later | Dec 12 08:17 |
| Ender2070 | why does ms force you to reboot your pc? | Dec 12 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | it probably replaced system files that something might be using | Dec 12 08:18 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 08:19 |
| Ender2070 | bad design then | Dec 12 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't actually replace anything until it unloads most of the system, just before it's ready to reboot | Dec 12 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | you don't want a security patch not taking effect until the user reboots the system days or weeks later | Dec 12 08:19 |
| Ender2070 | actually | Dec 12 08:20 |
| Ender2070 | i dont want my pc to reboot unless i've told it to do so | Dec 12 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't by default | Dec 12 08:20 |
| Ender2070 | yes it does, unless you turn off updates | Dec 12 08:20 |
| Ender2070 | which isnt default | Dec 12 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | it gives you a bubble telling you it will apply them the next time you turn off or reboot | Dec 12 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | or you can tell it to do it now | Dec 12 08:21 |
| Ender2070 | i've seen it not ask with my own eyes | Dec 12 08:21 |
| Ender2070 | i used to fix pc's, a few times i had stupid updates reboot machines i was running benchmarks on | Dec 12 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't do that now | Dec 12 08:22 |
| Ender2070 | it asks you if you want to postpone and only gives you the option "4 hours" | Dec 12 08:22 |
| Ender2070 | it still does that now | Dec 12 08:22 |
| Ender2070 | well it gives options less than 4 hours | Dec 12 08:23 |
| Ender2070 | but no "never" | Dec 12 08:23 |
| Ender2070 | why are we arguing about windows | Dec 12 08:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @punchagan: All the particles flying over my head - "A python based SPH framework" - Chandrashekhar Kaushik #scipy #india | Dec 12 08:23 | |
| Ender2070 | by default you lose, its proprietary | Dec 12 08:24 |
| kecskebak | Fedora 12 wouldn't work for me in Inkscape, which is a shame because I loved every other aspect of the distro | Dec 12 08:24 |
| kecskebak | The problem was the Text Tool = Instant crash | Dec 12 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | you can set it to check for updates and notify you only | Dec 12 08:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @psuresh: Philip Van Hoof, who shares feathers with Miguel de Icaza, propose vote on on #GNOME's membership to the... http://is.gd/5kDsJ | Dec 12 08:24 | |
| Ender2070 | kecskebak - you file a bug report? | Dec 12 08:25 |
| kecskebak | I tried, but I got fed up waiting for the stuff to download that would allow me to file a report | Dec 12 08:25 |
| Ender2070 | bugzilla.redhat.com | Dec 12 08:25 |
| kecskebak | I wanted to file a crash trash, like Ubuntu does with Aport, but it seemed to take an age to download all the things required | Dec 12 08:25 |
| Ender2070 | give as much info as you can, they actually fix stuff unlike some other distros | Dec 12 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | Apport is awful | Dec 12 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | something crashes, you tell Apport to go ahead and file the bug | Dec 12 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | you get questions regarding what crashed and why, and hell if you know | Dec 12 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | they mark the bug invalid | Dec 12 08:26 |
| Ender2070 | most distros just file a bug upstream and leave it at that | Dec 12 08:26 |
| kecskebak | The trouble with Inkscape in Fedora 12 is that it's a beta | Dec 12 08:27 |
| kecskebak | It's this six month versus rolling release thing again | Dec 12 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | it actually scares me that they don't know what to make of their own crash reporting tool's output which is supposed to assume that you don't know what happened and that's why it's automated | Dec 12 08:28 |
| Ender2070 | yeah they didnt want to support an old version | Dec 12 08:28 |
| Ender2070 | inkscape was close to releasing a new version | Dec 12 08:28 |
| kecskebak | In that case I think there's a case for replacing the old version with an update with the release version | Dec 12 08:28 |
| kecskebak | As it was so close to releasing | Dec 12 08:28 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Dec 12 08:29 |
| Ender2070 | this does happen | Dec 12 08:29 |
| Ender2070 | F11 came with firefox 3.5 beta for example, and it became final when it released | Dec 12 08:29 |
| Ender2070 | ubuntu users had to wait till october | Dec 12 08:29 |
| Ender2070 | or compile it | Dec 12 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | "Ubuntu" and "Compile" don't belong in the same paragraph | Dec 12 08:30 |
| kecskebak | I was really scared of the .rpm system from what I'd heard about it before I tried Fedora, but it gave me no problems at all when I tried Fedora | Dec 12 08:30 |
| kecskebak | That's why I hadn't tried Fedora years ago | Dec 12 08:30 |
| Ender2070 | Fedora 12 implemented delta rpm's for updates too | Dec 12 08:30 |
| Ender2070 | yum uses them | Dec 12 08:30 |
| Ender2070 | it makes updates much smaller by only updating stuff that has changed | Dec 12 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | Suse has had Deltas for years | Dec 12 08:31 |
| Ender2070 | thats nice, novell sucks | Dec 12 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | they came up with them | Dec 12 08:31 |
| kecskebak | That's such a good idea. One of the reasons it's good to get rid of Mono on Ubuntu even if you don't have a problem with it being a patent trap is the huge size of updates | Dec 12 08:31 |
| Ender2070 | everyone includes mono except fedora | Dec 12 08:32 |
| Ender2070 | of the major gnome distros | Dec 12 08:32 |
| kecskebak | I think Red Hat is the one to get as far as Microsoft is concerned, so I understand that | Dec 12 08:33 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Dec 12 08:33 |
| Ender2070 | Redhat is their enemy | Dec 12 08:33 |
| Ender2070 | they refused to sign the evil deal novell did | Dec 12 08:33 |
| Ender2070 | Redhat actually innovates too | Dec 12 08:34 |
| Ender2070 | Novell just buys open source companies so it appears to innovate | Dec 12 08:35 |
| Ender2070 | Just like how MS buys companies so it appears to innovate | Dec 12 08:35 |
| kecskebak | That's why the Ubuntu situation is such a shame. | Dec 12 08:36 |
| Ender2070 | not saying redhat doesnt buy companies either, but they have a good historical record of innovation on their own | Dec 12 08:36 |
| Ender2070 | Ubuntu has a lot of potential, and has come up with its own innovations as well | Dec 12 08:37 |
| kecskebak | Yes, the usability testing they do with real users is making a big difference | Dec 12 08:37 |
| Ender2070 | I wish they would stand behind KDE instead though | Dec 12 08:37 |
| Ender2070 | Kubuntu seriously lacks the polish I get from Fedora | Dec 12 08:38 |
| Ender2070 | out of all the distros, fedora and arch are the most bleeding edge too | Dec 12 08:38 |
| kecskebak | I think Ubuntu wants to "make Linux easy" - KDE isn't easy. I don't think my wife would get on with it. | Dec 12 08:38 |
| kecskebak | But I think it should stand behind both | Dec 12 08:39 |
| Ender2070 | KDE4 is pretty easy | Dec 12 08:39 |
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| kecskebak | I found it pretty bewildering. I like the huge range of applications KDE distros always come with though | Dec 12 08:39 |
| Ender2070 | i would recommend going to the classic menu, and everything else will seem just like any other desktop | Dec 12 08:39 |
| Ender2070 | the desktop widgets can be useful if you make use of them | Dec 12 08:40 |
| Ender2070 | they even support apple's widgets | Dec 12 08:40 |
| kecskebak | First impressions count a lot, I think it should have the most straightforward desktop to start with if it is aiming at new users | Dec 12 08:41 |
| kecskebak | In the office I worked at last, I reckon about 50% of the people there would be happier with KDE than GNOME | Dec 12 08:42 |
| kecskebak | It was a multimedia shop | Dec 12 08:42 |
| kecskebak | I reckon about 50% would be happier with GNOME | Dec 12 08:42 |
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| cubezzz | no one likes Xfce? | Dec 12 08:44 |
| Ender2070 | I used to | Dec 12 08:44 |
| kecskebak | I'm going to try it soon | Dec 12 08:44 |
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| Ender2070 | after getting a quad core and 4gb of ram I stopped worrying | Dec 12 08:45 |
| cubezzz | that's the cool thing about FOSS | Dec 12 08:45 |
| cubezzz | so many things to try out | Dec 12 08:45 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Dec 12 08:45 |
| Ender2070 | actually, one thing I really like is IceWM | Dec 12 08:46 |
| kecskebak | I tried loads of music players before settling on QuodLibet | Dec 12 08:46 |
| cubezzz | what about Zaurus, can't run KDE on everything | Dec 12 08:46 |
| cubezzz | you're stuck in a Gnome/KDE duopoly of DEs :) | Dec 12 08:46 |
| Ender2070 | I just really like KDE | Dec 12 08:47 |
| Ender2070 | i have tried a lot of others | Dec 12 08:47 |
| cubezzz | I like it too... for _some_ things | Dec 12 08:47 |
| kecskebak | Are you a coder Ender2070? | Dec 12 08:47 |
| Ender2070 | if I had a netbook i'd probably use icewm | Dec 12 08:47 |
| Ender2070 | nah kecskebak | Dec 12 08:47 |
| Ender2070 | trying to be though | Dec 12 08:47 |
| cubezzz | since 1980 for me | Dec 12 08:47 |
| kecskebak | I've heard programmers tend to be keen on KDE | Dec 12 08:48 |
| cubezzz | some guys are saying AmigaDOS 4.1 is way better than Linux | Dec 12 08:48 |
| cubezzz | I've seen stuff on CMS that I still don't see in Linux | Dec 12 08:48 |
| Ender2070 | thats probably due to Qt being a very advanced platform | Dec 12 08:48 |
| Ender2070 | Qt compliments what sucks in C++ from what i've heard | Dec 12 08:49 |
| cubezzz | I'm pretty used to KDE 3.4.2 so I stick with that | Dec 12 08:49 |
| cubezzz | that's not programming, it's weaving | Dec 12 08:50 |
| cubezzz | but that's what everyone does nowadays | Dec 12 08:50 |
| cubezzz | well, I shouldn't say everyone | Dec 12 08:50 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 08:50 |
| Ender2070 | a couple high up devs from ms actually said something funny | Dec 12 08:51 |
| cubezzz | call it high level programming if you like that label better | Dec 12 08:51 |
| Ender2070 | they were actually making fun of RADs | Dec 12 08:51 |
| Ender2070 | saying "whats next? using natal to dance your code onto the screen?" | Dec 12 08:51 |
| cubezzz | remember the spinning jenny? :) | Dec 12 08:51 |
| _goblin_ | cubezzz: I like xfce | Dec 12 08:51 |
| cubezzz | AROS beckons yoo :) | Dec 12 08:51 |
| _goblin_ | cubezzz: Wolvix is still my distro of choice! | Dec 12 08:52 |
| _goblin_ | and ive been running Icarus at the moment on my second rig | Dec 12 08:52 |
| cubezzz | bah, you guys are all x86-centric :) | Dec 12 08:52 |
| _goblin_ | :) | Dec 12 08:52 |
| Ender2070 | never! | Dec 12 08:52 |
| Ender2070 | im amd64-centric | Dec 12 08:52 |
| kecskebak | My local computer shop has just stopped selling AMD | Dec 12 08:52 |
| kecskebak | And ATI - pretty much overnight | Dec 12 08:52 |
| Ender2070 | oh | Dec 12 08:52 |
| cubezzz | why is that kecskebak? | Dec 12 08:53 |
| kecskebak | I'm really upset. They're a great place too. | Dec 12 08:53 |
| _goblin_ | this rig is AMD | Dec 12 08:53 |
| Ender2070 | when I say amd64 I refer to x86_64 | Dec 12 08:53 |
| _goblin_ | Athlon I believe | Dec 12 08:53 |
| kecskebak | I don't know - I'm going to find out next time I go there | Dec 12 08:53 |
| Ender2070 | since amd invented it | Dec 12 08:53 |
| cubezzz | there's nothing ideal really | Dec 12 08:53 |
| kecskebak | Their website got updated and it was all missing. | Dec 12 08:53 |
| cubezzz | there's too much mono-culture in hardware now | Dec 12 08:53 |
| Ender2070 | x86 or whatever, is usually cheaper | Dec 12 08:53 |
| Ender2070 | cheaper usually wins | Dec 12 08:54 |
| Ender2070 | hence, ARM might win | Dec 12 08:54 |
| cubezzz | ah... that's true, but x86 isn't the cheapiest | Dec 12 08:54 |
| cubezzz | yes | Dec 12 08:54 |
| kecskebak | Interesting thing the ARM processor | Dec 12 08:54 |
| kecskebak | I used to have an Acorn A3000 years and years ago | Dec 12 08:54 |
| cubezzz | I'm using several as we speak | Dec 12 08:54 |
| kecskebak | The Spinnaker project looks very interesting | Dec 12 08:55 |
| Ender2070 | nvidia seemed to have a good ARM chip too, but revealed it would only work with WinCE | Dec 12 08:55 |
| kecskebak | http://intranet.cs.man.ac.uk/apt/projects/SpiNNaker/ | Dec 12 08:55 |
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| kecskebak | I remember the A3000 I had - faster than my brothers PC with a huge fan in it - no cooling and only ever got slightly warm | Dec 12 08:56 |
| cubezzz | this is a job for ..... reverse-engineering man! :) | Dec 12 08:56 |
| cubezzz | it would be hard to go back to Amiga now | Dec 12 08:57 |
| cubezzz | I've thought about it a lot | Dec 12 08:58 |
| kecskebak | (The A3000 I'm on about was Acorn not Commodore) | Dec 12 08:58 |
| kecskebak | had an ARM2 processor | Dec 12 08:58 |
| kecskebak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Archimedes | Dec 12 08:58 |
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| cubezzz | ah, not familiar with that | Dec 12 08:58 |
| kecskebak | This is 1990 we're talking about! | Dec 12 08:58 |
| cubezzz | not even that old... | Dec 12 08:59 |
| cubezzz | there were Amigas in the 80's | Dec 12 08:59 |
| kecskebak | Windows 95 came along and it looked rather like what I was using 5 years before | Dec 12 08:59 |
| cubezzz | they tried to take over the communication protocols | Dec 12 09:00 |
| cubezzz | that screwed things up for a while | Dec 12 09:00 |
| cubezzz | re: Windows 95 and Microsoft | Dec 12 09:00 |
| cubezzz | well the eye candy got better and not much else | Dec 12 09:01 |
| cubezzz | now if you are determined enough, you can just route around Microsoft | Dec 12 09:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Practices of the Microsoft faithful, make links on adult sites to Openbytes. Is that just simple immaturity or an attempt to distort? | Dec 12 09:06 | |
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| cubezzz | the Amiga guys are using Sam440Flex 733Mhz PowerPC PPC motherboards | Dec 12 09:07 |
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| kecskebak | I remember when Television companies were full of Amigas and recording studios were full of Atari STs | Dec 12 09:08 |
| cubezzz | $800+ just for the motherboard though | Dec 12 09:09 |
| cubezzz | yes, I remember that too | Dec 12 09:09 |
| cubezzz | Commodore management really screwed up big-time | Dec 12 09:09 |
| _goblin_ | agreed. | Dec 12 09:13 |
| kecskebak | So did Acorn, the people who developed the ARM chip originally | Dec 12 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.change.org/actions/view/reform_social_security_disability_ssdi_and_ssi_determination_processes | Dec 12 09:15 |
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| cubezzz | no more Acorn Computers I take it? | Dec 12 09:16 |
| Ender2070 | derailing as usual | Dec 12 09:16 |
| kecskebak | No, sadly not | Dec 12 09:16 |
| kecskebak | The name and trademark were bought by a company that badges bog standard laptops | Dec 12 09:16 |
| cubezzz | yeah there really isn't a Commodore either | Dec 12 09:17 |
| kecskebak | They were very complacent and totally misunderstood who was buying their machines. They were also greedy. | Dec 12 09:17 |
| kecskebak | Add to that a batch of dodgy ULAs which sunk their Electron computer... | Dec 12 09:17 |
| kecskebak | But they produced some brilliant stuff | Dec 12 09:18 |
| kecskebak | They developed a LAN system called "Econet" and invited Bill Gates over to have a look. Bill said "Why would anyone want to do that?" | Dec 12 09:18 |
| cubezzz | http://www.electronicsweekly.com/Articles/2009/11/12/47415/at.htm | Dec 12 09:19 |
| kecskebak | So it wasn't just the internet he didn't get - he didn't get LANS either :D | Dec 12 09:19 |
| cubezzz | LAN has been around for a long time | Dec 12 09:19 |
| kecskebak | So had Acorn | Dec 12 09:19 |
| cubezzz | Star-LAN is the first LAN I can remember, but there was ARCNet and a bunch of others | Dec 12 09:20 |
| kecskebak | Econet was 1980 | Dec 12 09:24 |
| kecskebak | http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Network/Econet.html | Dec 12 09:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/obamas_cybersec_1.html | Dec 12 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://wondermark.com/576/ | Dec 12 09:26 |
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| cubezzz | cash registers used something called DLC a long time ago | Dec 12 09:27 |
| cubezzz | DLC came from the mainframe world | Dec 12 09:28 |
| cubezzz | econet is new to me | Dec 12 09:32 |
| cubezzz | not even sure what the Amiga equivalent would be | Dec 12 09:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] does nilekani & UIDA listening ? RT @glynmoody @privacyint @williamheath: UKGov signals death of ID cards http://bit.ly/7lMRDM #uid #fail | Dec 12 09:33 | |
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| cubezzz | can't remember anyone networking amigas | Dec 12 09:35 |
| cubezzz | but I'm sure you could get ethernet on them with a card | Dec 12 09:35 |
| cubezzz | I just had a 2400 baud modem I on my Amiga 500 | Dec 12 09:38 |
| kecskebak | Acorn was really ahead of its time in some ways | Dec 12 09:39 |
| kecskebak | But they just seemed to pass America by, which is a shame | Dec 12 09:41 |
| kecskebak | The trouble was in the UK at the time, Thatcher was creating the conditions to deindustrialise the country - a process continued by all subsequent Prime Ministers. So many British companies failed. | Dec 12 09:42 |
| kecskebak | Why make a few percent in industry when you could make several times that asset stripping or property speculating? | Dec 12 09:43 |
| cubezzz | that sounds like it would be bad in the long run | Dec 12 09:43 |
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| cubezzz | I don't think we ever made a cpu in Canada | Dec 12 09:45 |
| cubezzz | at least I never heard of one | Dec 12 09:45 |
| cubezzz | we merely assemble parts from other countries | Dec 12 09:46 |
| kecskebak | The trouble is, the tax system makes it crazy for anyone to want to do anything else | Dec 12 09:46 |
| cubezzz | oh and we chop down trees and export wheat :) | Dec 12 09:47 |
| kecskebak | The idea of the tax system should not to be discourage work or making things. But that's precisely what it does | Dec 12 09:47 |
| cubezzz | yeah they'll just make stuff in the pacific rim | Dec 12 09:48 |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2009121200835OPBZCY | Dec 12 09:50 |
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| cubezzz | yeah you're getting into philosophical waters there | Dec 12 09:54 |
| cubezzz | but beyond that, I just think windows is a turd | Dec 12 09:54 |
| cubezzz | I'm waiting for the ARM netbooks :) | Dec 12 09:55 |
| cubezzz | I don't like anything I see in the stores, except for toughbooks | Dec 12 09:56 |
| schestowitz | Why science is screwed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wezdbLqRnzs | Dec 12 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security Ticket To Work incentive program | Dec 12 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | Translation: Try to work, lose your disability check, that's the incentive of the plan | Dec 12 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | government makes no sense at all | Dec 12 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | I have a feeling that what they really do there is get you working just long enough to "prove" you aren't disabled, and then if your condition starts acting up again, you have to spend another year trying to re-apply | Dec 12 10:01 |
| cubezzz | I could tell you some stories | Dec 12 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: About government bureaucracy, filling out 500 forms in triplicate? | Dec 12 10:04 |
| cubezzz | no, I avoid the government | Dec 12 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | driving around all over hell's half acre to get the documents that they want? | Dec 12 10:04 |
| cubezzz | one of my friends went "nuts" | Dec 12 10:04 |
| cubezzz | kind of scary | Dec 12 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | fighting them for 6 months to 3 years while you have no income | Dec 12 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't surprise me that a lot of people end up living in rescue missions and under bridges while they wait on Social Security | Dec 12 10:05 |
| cubezzz | I'm always working actually :) | Dec 12 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's an agonizing process, and they'll try to fight you every step of the way | Dec 12 10:06 |
| cubezzz | well, that is hardly ideal | Dec 12 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | they probably hurt/punish 1,000 disabled people for every one person they stop from gaming the system | Dec 12 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | that's my take on it | Dec 12 10:06 |
| cubezzz | people do game the system though | Dec 12 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but they scrutinize people beyond belief | Dec 12 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | even when they have numerous serious crippling medical problems | Dec 12 10:07 |
| cubezzz | ok, Palin is/was a joke | Dec 12 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | that any person in their right mind can clearly see | Dec 12 10:07 |
| cubezzz | no more needs to be said | Dec 12 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | they still make you go to your doctor, their doctor, everyone's doctor | Dec 12 10:07 |
| cubezzz | USA might be more scrooge-like than Canada DaemonFC | Dec 12 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | then they deny it, then you appeal, then they deny it again, and most people get it when they go to a real court hearing | Dec 12 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | which may be 1.5 years into the process | Dec 12 10:08 |
| cubezzz | no freenets? What is with that? | Dec 12 10:08 |
| cubezzz | that is not a good sign | Dec 12 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | and if you can afford to take a lawyer with you, you probably have more money than anyone else at that point | Dec 12 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | if you still haven't lost your home or apartment by then, you're incredible | Dec 12 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | if you're still eating, that's just a bonus | Dec 12 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | I think they base their approvals at each step by throwing darts over their shoulder at a wall of names | Dec 12 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | each step has a quota | Dec 12 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | whoever's name gets hit by a dart gets their benefits at that step | Dec 12 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | "I'd like to appeal" = Throw another dart over your shoulder at another board with my name on it | Dec 12 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | not getting hit is like getting a "LOSE A TURN" followed by a 6 month wait to the next chance | Dec 12 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's a 20% chance that you'll get your checks in the first round of contestants, there's another 20% you'll get it after an appeal | Dec 12 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | 40% chance you'll have money and can go back to eating and paying bills the year you apply | Dec 12 10:15 |
| cubezzz | ok, to recap: | Dec 12 10:16 |
| cubezzz | Palin is an idiot, freenets are good, and the world is screwed up | Dec 12 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: It's the only way I can see Social Security working, cause damn if it makes any sense to me why a person on death's doorstep would have to spend 3 years fighting them while someone with mental illness is on it in 3 months | Dec 12 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they have to pay you backpay if you're fighting them that long (minus six months), but a lot of good waiting 3 years for a lump sum does you while you're losing everything you own now | Dec 12 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | my aunt got a backpay check for $10,000 which was supposed to go to her caseworker, but Social Security fucked up and mailed out to her directly | Dec 12 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | she got it on a Friday and it was gone by monday and she had almost nothing to show for it | Dec 12 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | her caseworker was fuming, and my other aunt was sitting there giggling about it and got her head bit off for laughing | Dec 12 10:21 |
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| DaemonFC | and out there somewhere is some little old woman on a ventilator who died cause she didn't have any money and my bipolar schizophrenic aunt was paying a guy $800 to swap out her car battery | Dec 12 10:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New OpenSUSE Board, KDE 4.4, and Site Changes http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/12/latest-opensuse-events/ | Dec 12 11:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT @mbauwens: opening up patents for climate change: http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=Open_Source_Development | Dec 12 11:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Who would put a known criminal in charge of a government office? Apart from the average voter. - Terry Pratchett | Dec 12 11:35 | |
| oiaohm | http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/329234 | Dec 12 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Great | Dec 12 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, DOJ is corrupt | Dec 12 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays the right people | Dec 12 11:49 |
| oiaohm | I find it funny that the requirement to release the protocals came from the EU court. | Dec 12 11:50 |
| oiaohm | So why is the DOJ talking about if MS is in compliance or not. | Dec 12 11:50 |
| cubezzz | "In early 2002, Microsoft proposed to settle the private lawsuits by donating $1 billion USD in money, software, services, and training, including Windows licenses and refurbished PCs, to about 12,500 underprivileged public schools." | Dec 12 11:53 |
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| cubezzz | fined in South Korea too | Dec 12 11:55 |
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| cubezzz | hopefully the ARM netbooks will change things | Dec 12 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can't survive based on royalties from others | Dec 12 11:58 |
| schestowitz | They are becoming irrelevant either way, but the EU Commission is losing its focus on Microsoft... cronies | Dec 12 11:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft woes? – Bugs, OpenOffice & French Military http://tinyurl.com/ybk6k62 #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #linux #openoffice #foss | Dec 12 12:02 | |
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| cubezzz | site seems really sluggish | Dec 12 12:48 |
| kecskebak | Seems fine from Hungary | Dec 12 12:50 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes | Dec 12 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Load was 13 a while ago | Dec 12 12:52 |
| schestowitz | I can barely write posts like this... I use the WordPress editor | Dec 12 12:52 |
| kecskebak | It was slow this morning | Dec 12 13:01 |
| kecskebak | The more arguments about Mono etc. get shut down elsewhere, the more people gravitate to places where speech is still free. | Dec 12 13:05 |
| cubezzz | is the twit host still in here? | Dec 12 13:05 |
| cubezzz | or whatever it's called, I just heard your interview | Dec 12 13:05 |
| cubezzz | not a purist | Dec 12 13:06 |
| kecskebak | Who, Jono? | Dec 12 13:06 |
| cubezzz | umm, not sure | Dec 12 13:06 |
| cubezzz | FLOSS-091.mp3 | Dec 12 13:07 |
| schestowitz | jono is not here at the moment | Dec 12 13:07 |
| cubezzz | ok, not sure which one that was :) | Dec 12 13:07 |
| schestowitz | I hate this show... intended to daemonise and annoy | Dec 12 13:07 |
| cubezzz | he seemed kind of critical | Dec 12 13:07 |
| cubezzz | on the show | Dec 12 13:07 |
| schestowitz | I mean, I love the show FLOSS Weekly | Dec 12 13:07 |
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| cubezzz | is that the Ubuntu guy? | Dec 12 13:07 |
| kecskebak | Yes | Dec 12 13:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't like what they did in this episode, which was an attempt to delegitimise | Dec 12 13:08 |
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| cubezzz | lots of fights, lol | Dec 12 13:08 |
| cubezzz | I'd go on there :) | Dec 12 13:08 |
| kecskebak | After stitching up schestowitz, I've never looked at the show quite the same way. | Dec 12 13:08 |
| cubezzz | well the google search is rough | Dec 12 13:08 |
| cubezzz | that's what he's talking about partly | Dec 12 13:09 |
| cubezzz | people are very negative | Dec 12 13:09 |
| cubezzz | heard a bit more about the novell side | Dec 12 13:10 |
| cubezzz | those guys seem very tangential and off topic a lot | Dec 12 13:11 |
| cubezzz | oh well :) | Dec 12 13:11 |
| kecskebak | If you're a friendly show that asks soft questions, you should treat all guests the same way. | Dec 12 13:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/12/11/sagepay_down_again/ | Dec 12 13:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sage payment processor goes titsup - again • Channel Register .::. Size~: 19.36 KB | Dec 12 13:15 |
| kecskebak | If you're a hardball show that asks hard questions fair enough, but the show about BoycottNovell made Floss Weekly look like Podcasts that irritate from people you wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. | Dec 12 13:15 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: some are Novell employees and anti-Linux folks like linxs* | Dec 12 13:16 |
| schestowitz | RMS gets smeared more. It's because he's resisting, not just praising. | Dec 12 13:16 |
| schestowitz | There are people who open up their mouth against pollution and stuff, so they are defamed | Dec 12 13:17 |
| schestowitz | As opposed to those who play nice with everyone and shut up about the rest | Dec 12 13:17 |
| schestowitz | And then there are people with disabilities and situations that defend them, e.g. age/gender/blindness | Dec 12 13:17 |
| schestowitz | You won't find anyone slamming Stevie Wonder | Dec 12 13:18 |
| kecskebak | I suppose that's why Stormy Peters is such a good choice for GNOME at the present time | Dec 12 13:18 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this little theory of mine... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/16/love-thy-criminals/ http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/05/we-are-not-the-bad-guys/ | Dec 12 13:19 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Hold on a Second, Were Not the Bad Guys | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 115.57 KB | Dec 12 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Eeeek... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/11/mozilla_add_on_marketplace/ | Dec 12 13:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla to open - gasp! - Firefox add-on store • The Register .::. Size~: 28.93 KB | Dec 12 13:20 |
| kecskebak | If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. | Dec 12 13:21 |
| schestowitz | 451ers cover Microsoft now... http://blogs.the451group.com/techdeals/investment-banking/microsoft-officially-pals-up-with-opalis/ | Dec 12 13:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Inorganic Growth » Microsoft (officially) pals up with Opalis .::. Size~: 28.86 KB | Dec 12 13:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/11/ba_website_down/ http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.britishairways.com | Dec 12 13:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BA.com titsup • The Register .::. Size~: 26.65 KB | Dec 12 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Apache | Dec 12 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Most of the UK missing out on HD http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8407690.stm | Dec 12 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ciol.com/News/News-Reports/Cisco-celebrates-25-years-of-innovation/111209128887/0/ The word "innovation" is tiring. They can say "progress"....... | Dec 12 13:29 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 12 13:33 |
| trmanco | hi | Dec 12 13:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_to_enter_diplomatic_talks?utm_source=videoembed | Dec 12 13:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Obama To Enter Diplomatic Talks With Raging Wildfire | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 27.88 KB | Dec 12 13:34 |
| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/eric-schmidt-on-privacy/ | Dec 12 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2010435946_danny06.html | Dec 12 13:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Danny Westneat | $10 an hour with 2 kids? IRS pounces | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 70.12 KB | Dec 12 13:38 |
| cubezzz | was jono a former novell guy? | Dec 12 13:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Working on my #Plone website. I'm planning on hosting it on #Webfaction some time in the next couple of weeks. | Dec 12 13:39 | |
| cubezzz | one area FOSS didn't really work (yet) | Dec 12 13:42 |
| cubezzz | there's Tivo of course | Dec 12 13:42 |
| cubezzz | but then there's the Linux TVs | Dec 12 13:42 |
| cubezzz | I have no way as yet to hack my TV | Dec 12 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Neuros? | Dec 12 13:45 |
| schestowitz | !google Neuros? | Dec 12 13:45 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - The Neuros LINK - A Better Way to Connect the Internet to your TV ... | http://www.neurostechnology.com/ | Dec 12 13:45 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Neuros Products | Neuros Technology | http://www.neurostechnology.com/products | Dec 12 13:45 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Neuros Technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuros_Technology | Dec 12 13:45 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Amazon.com: Neuros OSD Media Center (6011000): Electronics | http://www.amazon.com/Neuros-OSD-Media-Center-6011000/dp/B000HXGIHE | Dec 12 13:45 |
| cubezzz | oh btw, remember jono talking about xgl? | Dec 12 13:45 |
| cubezzz | xgl was removed from X.org and replaced with AIGLX | Dec 12 13:45 |
| cubezzz | probably old news to some :) | Dec 12 13:46 |
| trmanco | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=446 | Dec 12 13:48 |
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| trmanco | heh | Dec 12 13:48 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no | Dec 12 13:48 |
| trmanco | maybe I should stop using Firefox | Dec 12 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla has good people, Asa was never one of them | Dec 12 13:49 |
| trmanco | I'll use chromium | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Chris Blizzard, lead lizard, Shaver.... | Dec 12 13:49 |
| trmanco | I know it has... but these things hurt mozilla | Dec 12 13:49 |
| cubezzz | now I'm wondering about 3d interfaces for Unix | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it was not official Mozilla statement | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Asa also throws mud at Linux | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | I don't like him | Dec 12 13:49 |
| trmanco | I know, but it was made by someone who works there | Dec 12 13:49 |
| schestowitz | It's a Microsoft distortion | Dec 12 13:50 |
| schestowitz | To say that "mozilla" says "use Microsoft" | Dec 12 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Distortion from the likes of PaulT | Dec 12 13:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - What Happens In Stoke Stays In Stoke | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ycffu5k | Dec 12 13:50 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What Happens In Stoke Stays In Stoke | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 13.05 KB | Dec 12 13:50 |
| cubezzz | you know we should aggregate all our blogs somewhere | Dec 12 13:51 |
| cubezzz | make a blog syndicate or something | Dec 12 13:52 |
| cubezzz | or just use Akregator :) | Dec 12 13:53 |
| schestowitz | I can set up a Planet | Dec 12 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Like Planet BN. I have had planet software in schestowitz.com since 2005 | Dec 12 13:54 |
| trmanco | http://www.planetplanet.org/ | Dec 12 13:56 |
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| kecskebak | Where's your blog cubezzz? | Dec 12 13:56 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Dec 12 13:57 |
| cubezzz | http://maxhost.org/blog/linux-blog.html | Dec 12 13:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Notes on Linux .::. Size~: 36.94 KB | Dec 12 13:57 |
| cubezzz | there | Dec 12 13:57 |
| kecskebak | Thanx! | Dec 12 13:57 |
| *schestowitz just subscribed | Dec 12 13:59 | |
| kecskebak | "Why I Use Linux" is an excellent post | Dec 12 14:02 |
| cubezzz | why, thanks :) | Dec 12 14:02 |
| cubezzz | I got a lot to blab about :) | Dec 12 14:02 |
| cubezzz | I'm partial to my SHerlock Holmes story | Dec 12 14:03 |
| cubezzz | Sherlock picks an operating system :) | Dec 12 14:03 |
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| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/adqyq/gnome_dev_proposes_vote_on_split_from_gnu_project/ | Dec 12 14:21 |
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| trmanco | read comments | Dec 12 14:21 |
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| Mikey | Hi ROy, you OK? | Dec 12 14:22 |
| cubezzz | that's weird trmanco | Dec 12 14:24 |
| trmanco | what do you mean? | Dec 12 14:24 |
| cubezzz | the idea of Gnome leaving GNU | Dec 12 14:25 |
| trmanco | it is | Dec 12 14:26 |
| cubezzz | too much bickering | Dec 12 14:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Tried openSUSE 11.2 on my Dell OptiPlex, works fine, but somehow I've lost that "SUSE feeling", probably due to Novells covenant with M$ | Dec 12 14:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] And "Zonker" behaving like a "Evangelist". Runs Kubuntu 9.10 now and works great. | Dec 12 14:52 | |
| Omar87 | Hi, I have this slight problem with Heddex Tranquility: http://img138.imageshack.us/i/problem3g.png/ | Dec 12 14:55 |
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| Omar87 | Sorry guys. That was meant to go to the #Plone channel. | Dec 12 14:57 |
| trmanco | z-index? | Dec 12 14:58 |
| trmanco | :-P | Dec 12 14:58 |
| trmanco | you are talking about the live search thing, right? | Dec 12 14:58 |
| Omar87 | trmanco: yes. | Dec 12 15:00 |
| Omar87 | trmanco: yeah, I tried to fix the z-index but it doesn't seem to work. | Dec 12 15:01 |
| trmanco | oh :| | Dec 12 15:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I enjoyed this book tremendously. It did appeal horribly to my prejudices, though. http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/ | Dec 12 15:11 | |
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| schestowitz | hey, Mikey | Dec 12 15:12 |
| schestowitz | what time do you go? | Dec 12 15:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I have a cold. Kill me. Also, send green tea. | Dec 12 15:13 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: LOL "I'd rather propose a vote to ban De Icaza from GNOME." | Dec 12 15:14 |
| trmanco | that one is recent | Dec 12 15:14 |
| trmanco | I didn't see that one :| | Dec 12 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Not the merchant of sex toys? (David) | Dec 12 15:15 |
| trmanco | yeah, just saw it | Dec 12 15:15 |
| schestowitz | It's the latest comment | Dec 12 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Mikey: are you there? | Dec 12 15:16 |
| cubezzz | rythmbox is interesting | Dec 12 15:17 |
| trmanco | amarok is even more interesting | Dec 12 15:18 |
| cubezzz | there's a lot of norwegian radio stations | Dec 12 15:18 |
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| _goblin | Good evening all. | Dec 12 15:18 |
| trmanco | hi | Dec 12 15:18 |
| _goblin | or afternoon... | Dec 12 15:18 |
| cubezzz | morning :) | Dec 12 15:18 |
| _goblin | or morning... | Dec 12 15:19 |
| trmanco | lol | Dec 12 15:19 |
| trmanco | someday by this time it will be morning for me :-P | Dec 12 15:19 |
| _goblin | found three words that wind up the Wintrolls.... | Dec 12 15:19 |
| trmanco | linux, free, software? | Dec 12 15:19 |
| _goblin | not even close... | Dec 12 15:19 |
| trmanco | :| | Dec 12 15:19 |
| _goblin | any other offers | Dec 12 15:19 |
| _goblin | ? | Dec 12 15:19 |
| _goblin | "Warmest seasons greetings..." | Dec 12 15:20 |
| trmanco | uh? | Dec 12 15:20 |
| _goblin | that really seems to get to them... | Dec 12 15:20 |
| trmanco | I wonder why | Dec 12 15:20 |
| _goblin | Ive been signing off my posts with that and it provoked a hell of a response. | Dec 12 15:20 |
| _goblin | I think Xmas must be cancelled at Redmond. | Dec 12 15:20 |
| cubezzz | Merry Newton Mass? | Dec 12 15:20 |
| cubezzz | too slow | Dec 12 15:22 |
| _goblin | ? | Dec 12 15:22 |
| cubezzz | back to bash scripts | Dec 12 15:22 |
| cubezzz | rhythmbox | Dec 12 15:23 |
| cubezzz | not responsive enough | Dec 12 15:23 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no, they still celebrate at Redmond to keep morale up | Dec 12 15:24 |
| schestowitz | They need to carry on deceiving staff | Dec 12 15:24 |
| schestowitz | That Microsoft UK dude who hangs out here sometimes didn't know how badly they did, either. They are gives false information, not fact. | Dec 12 15:25 |
| _goblin | I thought after they cancelled the bar plans, Ballmer would have no problem taking away xmas too. | Dec 12 15:25 |
| cubezzz | which UK one is that? | Dec 12 15:27 |
| cubezzz | I need to rsync clipboard.txt | Dec 12 15:29 |
| _goblin | Roy, when did you say you were coming to London? | Dec 12 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Oh, yeah! The bar! | Dec 12 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft didn't kill it eventually | Dec 12 15:32 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: February | Dec 12 15:32 |
| _goblin | great.... | Dec 12 15:34 |
| _goblin | we had better meet up! | Dec 12 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes. Where's Mikey? | Dec 12 15:35 |
| _goblin | Mikey? | Dec 12 15:38 |
| kecskebak | cubezzz: QuodLibet is the best music player for people into classical music in my view | Dec 12 15:41 |
| kecskebak | I don't care about Apple iPods or Last FM - but I do tag my music to death. | Dec 12 15:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux is Unusual for Regards for #Ethics http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-12-12-008-35-OP-BZ-CY | Dec 12 15:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Promotes #GNU #Linux Desktops in Web Site http://www.workswithu.com/2009/12/10/dell-website-shows-ubuntu-more-respect/ | Dec 12 15:43 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: friend from here. | Dec 12 15:48 |
| _goblin | ah | Dec 12 15:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Fedora 12 and a Look Ahead of Fedora 13 http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/12/f12/ http://lwn.net/Articles/364353/ | Dec 12 15:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of the Latest #Linux -powered #Chumby http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/12/review_gadget_chumby/ | Dec 12 15:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04, Ubun-student Renamed http://ur1.ca/hmt3 http://ur1.ca/hmt4 | Dec 12 15:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Improvements Made to #Linux -powered #Motorola #Phones http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20091209/tc_nf/70523 | Dec 12 15:55 | |
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| cubezzz2 | tch | Dec 12 15:56 |
| Mikey | Hey Roy, whats happening | Dec 12 16:00 |
| Mikey | Are you ready to donate your DNA to Dr Mark for the advancement of mankind? | Dec 12 16:00 |
| Mikey | it'll be like backward engineering an alien spaceship. | Dec 12 16:03 |
| Mikey | On a less serious note are you in the gym tomorrow morn? | Dec 12 16:04 |
| Mikey | I think you should go the Christmas meal, it'll be fun. | Dec 12 16:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Sugar 2 for #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/hmto | Dec 12 16:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Free/Libre 3-D Satellite Tracking Software http://ostatic.com/blog/sivi-puts-3-d-satellite-tracking-on-your-desktop | Dec 12 16:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The The Importance of #GNU Project Explained http://maxhost.org/blog/2009/10/importance-of-gnu.html | Dec 12 16:07 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Mikey | Dec 12 16:09 |
| schestowitz | No, I'm going there in a moment | Dec 12 16:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NewZealand Fights Back Against #ACTA http://acta.net.nz/ http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/10/secret-copyright-tre-1.html | Dec 12 16:26 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | Dec 12 16:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Pimp your Gnome desktop for the holidays: http://tinyurl.com/y9s8d7w | Dec 12 16:49 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Dec 12 16:52 |
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| shreddar | I can't wait until DRM dies to a much welcome death. | Dec 12 17:00 |
| shreddar | I'm looking at DRM on Movies and Shows now. | Dec 12 17:01 |
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| shreddar | I guess I'll have to wait until people stop buy DVD's and watching Cable in lue of Netflix, Hulu, Roku and the usual Bittorrent. | Dec 12 17:04 |
| shreddar | Then as the Networks and Movie companies will sink down into irrelevance they'll start trying to compete again. | Dec 12 17:06 |
| shreddar | I guess the difference with Movies and Music is the Ipod. | Dec 12 17:12 |
| shreddar | The Ipod highlighted the downsides to DRM with music because it made downloading music more a convenience. | Dec 12 17:14 |
| shreddar | There is no such device for movies except maybe Roku. | Dec 12 17:14 |
| shreddar | Maybe Amazon On Demand is the iTunes to Roku's iPod. | Dec 12 17:15 |
| shreddar | With Amazon VOD or whatever they call it (I don't use it because of DRM) customers might wonder why they can't watch shows on another device or one without a internet connection (just a guess). | Dec 12 17:18 |
| shreddar | But I haven't been seeing a revolution as I had with the Itunes service. | Dec 12 17:19 |
| shreddar | Maybe it's because Roku is just a device that streams shows rather than stores shows in internal memory. | Dec 12 17:21 |
| shreddar | With the iPod you are incurraged to use up the large amount of memory you get. (even if that means putting songs on there you don't own) | Dec 12 17:24 |
| shreddar | For the Movies/Shows version of a iPod the only thing I know that fit the bill is Apple TV. | Dec 12 17:25 |
| shreddar | The thing is Apple isn't highly interested in it. At least not yet. | Dec 12 17:26 |
| shreddar | It's just an experiment for them now. | Dec 12 17:26 |
| shreddar | Nevermind Apple TV isn't really a storage device it just streams from the computer. | Dec 12 17:28 |
| shreddar | So really there isn't a iPod for the Movies/Shows, yet. | Dec 12 17:29 |
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| shreddar | I guarantee you that if they made a device that was made for owning shows rather than renting them customers would ask for more control over their property. (eventually someone like emusic would come along and offer it to them) | Dec 12 17:32 |
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| shreddar | I think books will likely become DRM-free and server independent sometime soon. | Dec 12 17:49 |
| shreddar | Thanks to Amazon's Nineteen Eighty-Four fiasco. | Dec 12 17:49 |
| shreddar | There are already ebook readers that support regular PDF's (stored locally) on the market. | Dec 12 17:51 |
| shreddar | It's only a matter of time before online retailers start offering DRM-free ebooks. | Dec 12 17:53 |
| shreddar | Amazon's will be the last to do so ofcourse. | Dec 12 17:53 |
| shreddar | It's pathetic having DRM-free music but they still had the balls to put that crap in ebooks. | Dec 12 17:54 |
| shreddar | I wish Apple would make a ibook or something but they won't. I think the main reason they even made the iPod was to eventually come out with the iPhone/iTouch computers. | Dec 12 17:57 |
| shreddar | I guess they must be done with that strategy. | Dec 12 17:58 |
| shreddar | That's probably why Apple TV is just a streaming device. | Dec 12 17:59 |
| shreddar | It sucks that there are so few integrated Hardware/Software makers now. | Dec 12 18:00 |
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| *shreddar 's browser crashed and then he got destracted by the internet | Dec 12 18:18 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 12 18:19 |
| _goblin | hi! | Dec 12 18:19 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I wish people would quit using Mono and .NET for new #FOSS projects instead of !Java, which is superior. !freesoftware !gnu !monofree | Dec 12 18:21 | |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - Asa is a Mozilla Executive, is he not? | Dec 12 18:22 |
| shreddar | I'd like people to make more browser based apps. | Dec 12 18:22 |
| shreddar | But I'm want to be able to download them not use them over a server. | Dec 12 18:23 |
| shreddar | I'd love to use a like a browser-gimp or b-gimp. | Dec 12 18:24 |
| shreddar | Also, I want to be-able to open a playlist in my browser. | Dec 12 18:25 |
| shreddar | b-xine | Dec 12 18:25 |
| shreddar | or b-audacious | Dec 12 18:26 |
| _goblin | shreddar, whilst they are not as feature rich as Gimp, I use online apps for my basic photo correction needs.... | Dec 12 18:26 |
| shreddar | Really? I used some but found them slow. | Dec 12 18:27 |
| shreddar | Also I want ones that aren't based on flash. | Dec 12 18:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @wikileaks: UK governments wants new powers to block WikiLeaks http://bit.ly/5vpYoY (stop them: http://bit.ly/3bpSnc ) | Dec 12 18:28 | |
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| Ender2070 | I think I hit a news site with my blog | Dec 12 18:30 |
| Ender2070 | I just got a flood of comments | Dec 12 18:30 |
| shreddar | I just heard of Wikileaks | Dec 12 18:30 |
| shreddar | Anyways I hope people do do that. Make more open source browser (local) apps. | Dec 12 18:32 |
| shreddar | I guess something like Native Client would make it make more sense to developers. (if it lets you run the code locally) | Dec 12 18:34 |
| shreddar | Java will probably never get to the point where most developers possess the skill to make smooth running apps with it. | Dec 12 18:35 |
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| Ender2070 | oh shit | Dec 12 18:39 |
| Ender2070 | i hit slashdot! | Dec 12 18:39 |
| Ender2070 | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/12/135209/GNOME-Developer-Suggests-Split-From-GNU-Project | Dec 12 18:39 |
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| shreddar | I'd wuggest that GNU drop Gnome from it's projects for several reasons. | Dec 12 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | heh, Sprint, I had them once, jsut reading someone bitch about them now | Dec 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | their coverage was horrible, but there were ways to game the billing process, so I think I was paying like $15 a month on a $70 a month plan | Dec 12 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | I figured out their formula for referral code credits and dropped call credits, all automated | Dec 12 18:43 |
| shreddar | 1 Mono 2 I isn't necassary anymore (hasn't been since the KDE Trolltech agreement) 3 It kinda sucks (unless you customize it like me and even then...) | Dec 12 18:44 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/16617618 | Dec 12 18:45 |
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| trmanco | look at this | Dec 12 18:45 |
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| sebsebseb | What's the replacement for Tomboy, Gnote? | Dec 12 18:52 |
| shreddar | "I agree but we cannot be blind when the leader of the Free Software Foundation is requesting that the “minimal” thing GNOME should do, is to support it by, and I quote, “avoiding presenting proprietary software as legitimate”." | Dec 12 18:53 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Dec 12 18:53 |
| Ender2070 | hilarious eh | Dec 12 18:53 |
| trmanco | people say Qt isn't free... huh | Dec 12 18:54 |
| MinceR | it used to be not entirely free, iirc | Dec 12 18:55 |
| MinceR | now it is | Dec 12 18:55 |
| Ender2070 | its GPL | Dec 12 18:55 |
| MinceR | now it's LGPL | Dec 12 18:55 |
| trmanco | http://qt.nokia.com/products/licensing | Dec 12 18:55 |
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| Ender2070 | LGPL = free software | Dec 12 18:55 |
| MinceR | so even commercial apps could use it | Dec 12 18:55 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Dec 12 18:55 |
| trmanco | it's under the GPLv3 too | Dec 12 18:56 |
| MinceR | so now it can compete with GTK+ even on licensing grounds | Dec 12 18:56 |
| Ender2070 | FSF should promote KDE now :) | Dec 12 18:56 |
| trmanco | maybe people have envy because KDE is something that was made outside the US :-P | Dec 12 18:56 |
| MinceR | Linux itself was, too | Dec 12 18:56 |
| MinceR | at least afaik | Dec 12 18:57 |
| trmanco | yes | Dec 12 18:57 |
| trmanco | but it has changed | Dec 12 18:57 |
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| trmanco | sort of | Dec 12 18:57 |
| MinceR | s/commercial/proprietary/ | Dec 12 18:57 |
| trmanco | kde is already better the gnome in every way | Dec 12 18:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT @sivavaid: Here is the only way to delete your Facebook account (it's not obvious or easy to fi... http://bit.ly/z2L9F | Dec 12 19:04 | |
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| trmanco | oh | Dec 12 19:05 |
| trmanco | krita | Dec 12 19:05 |
| trmanco | I need that | Dec 12 19:05 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 19:06 |
| Ender2070 | my friend tells me I should've put ads on my site | Dec 12 19:06 |
| Ender2070 | no way | Dec 12 19:06 |
| _goblin | Ive had so many offers to put ads on my blog. | Dec 12 19:07 |
| _goblin | Mostly from Giganews | Dec 12 19:08 |
| trmanco | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/get-best-kde-linux-distro | Dec 12 19:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Get the best KDE Linux distro | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 34.99 KB | Dec 12 19:08 |
| _goblin | it was a "personal" email too, not a generic mail dump. | Dec 12 19:08 |
| trmanco | I have to agree on that one | Dec 12 19:08 |
| _goblin | I wouldn't consider any ads on my site ever. I dislike them on sites I visit. | Dec 12 19:09 |
| Ender2070 | I use adblock | Dec 12 19:09 |
| Ender2070 | I would be a hypocrite if I used ads | Dec 12 19:09 |
| Ender2070 | trmanco - they gave novell 9/10 | Dec 12 19:10 |
| _goblin | it also shows people who visit that my opinions come from an honest held belief not because I want to get ad revenue. | Dec 12 19:10 |
| trmanco | but they do, do it right | Dec 12 19:10 |
| Ender2070 | where is Fedora | Dec 12 19:10 |
| Ender2070 | Fedora smokes opensuse | Dec 12 19:10 |
| Ender2070 | they excluded it cause it would be 10/10 | Dec 12 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 19:11 |
| trmanco | lol | Dec 12 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | they include Chakra though | Dec 12 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | which is a derivitive of arch | Dec 12 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | Fedora has 20 milllion users, how do they miss it? :) | Dec 12 19:12 |
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| shreddar | Ender2070 is tuxradar your blog? | Dec 12 19:13 |
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| Ender2070 | no | Dec 12 19:19 |
| Ender2070 | www.pwnage.ca is | Dec 12 19:19 |
| trmanco | wow for krita | Dec 12 19:20 |
| MinceR | what's new about krita? | Dec 12 19:20 |
| trmanco | well | Dec 12 19:20 |
| shreddar | Oh! seriously? | Dec 12 19:20 |
| trmanco | I always needed a native image editing program for kde | Dec 12 19:21 |
| shreddar | Nice! | Dec 12 19:21 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 12 19:21 |
| trmanco | and now I have one, and it's great stuff | Dec 12 19:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: try http://linuxbasement.com/ Better than LO | Dec 12 19:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Basement | Linux Lurking Beneath .::. Size~: 33.23 KB | Dec 12 19:25 |
| schestowitz | [18:22] <Ender2070> schestowitz - Asa is a Mozilla Executive, is he not? | Dec 12 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 12 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Since inception | Dec 12 19:25 |
| schestowitz | He's blunt | Dec 12 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Dont' punish moz | Dec 12 19:25 |
| schestowitz | They have Blizzard... the Ogg pusher! | Dec 12 19:26 |
| shreddar | Well maybe it's just Asa Dotzler. | Dec 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [18:39] <Ender2070> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/12/135209/GNOME-Developer-Suggests-Split-From-GNU-Project | Dec 12 19:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Linux Story | GNOME Developer Suggests Split From GNU Project .::. Size~: 164.97 KB | Dec 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Cool | Dec 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | See? It's good you summarised it | Dec 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [18:52] <sebsebseb> What's the replacement for Tomboy, Gnote? | Dec 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Or a dozen others | Dec 12 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | yeah already had that answered else where | Dec 12 19:28 |
| schestowitz | gnote is data compatible | Dec 12 19:28 |
| schestowitz | [18:54] <trmanco> people say Qt isn't free... huh | Dec 12 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | turns out the guy that I was telling didn't want that, just wanted some gnome widget for notes instead | Dec 12 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Straw man | Dec 12 19:28 |
| schestowitz | [18:56] <Ender2070> FSF should promote KDE now :) | Dec 12 19:28 |
| Ender2070 | I was planning to write it anyways | Dec 12 19:28 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 has more chance | Dec 12 19:28 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Dec 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | It beats and blows makos outta wata! | Dec 12 19:29 |
| Ender2070 | kde4 is free software | Dec 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | [18:56] <trmanco> maybe people have envy because KDE is something that was made outside the US :-P | Dec 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Linux too | Dec 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | But LF=Portland | Dec 12 19:29 |
| schestowitz | GNU=MIT | Dec 12 19:29 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - not punishing mozilla, i used a question mark "Boycott Mozilla?". I was hoping the issue gets attention so they can reverse course. | Dec 12 19:30 |
| schestowitz | [19:05] <trmanco> krita | Dec 12 19:30 |
| schestowitz | It has killer features | Dec 12 19:30 |
| shreddar | I think Asa is just really concerned about Google. | Dec 12 19:30 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <Ender2070> trmanco - they gave novell 9/10 | Dec 12 19:30 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE is good at kde | Dec 12 19:30 |
| Ender2070 | fedora is even better though, and was excluded | Dec 12 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | From Yahoo Answers: "What is the most Mexican thing I could possibly do?" | Dec 12 19:32 |
| shreddar | Of course his suggestion is about as far from a solution as you can get. | Dec 12 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Move your entire extended family into an efficiency apartment and make the news one winter for burning the place down by trying to heat it with the stove." | Dec 12 19:32 |
| Ender2070 | if you're concerned about privacy and google you have your priorities out of wack | Dec 12 19:33 |
| shreddar | I'd like to see what a Search-engine in the spirit of Wikipedia would be like. | Dec 12 19:33 |
| Ender2070 | you're being watched wether you like it or not | Dec 12 19:33 |
| Ender2070 | nobodys privacy policy is protecting you | Dec 12 19:33 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <Ender2070> schestowitz - not punishing mozilla, i used a question mark "Boycott Mozilla?". I was hoping the issue gets attention so they can reverse course. | Dec 12 19:34 |
| Ender2070 | ever heard of AT&T's secret room? | Dec 12 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | CSIS is watching you, Ender2070 | Dec 12 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | f33r | Dec 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | He's not mozilla | Dec 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | With Novell, it was company policy | Dec 12 19:34 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - however I do mention in the article that it was purely him who suggested it | Dec 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <shreddar> I think Asa is just really concerned about Google. | Dec 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | He should be | Dec 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Cause of chrome | Dec 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Not privacy | Dec 12 19:34 |
| Ender2070 | all they need to do is datamine backbones and you have no privacy | Dec 12 19:35 |
| schestowitz | <Ender2070> ever heard of AT&T's secret room? | Dec 12 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: To what extent would you say the Canadian government has been infiltrated and corrupted by "Intellectual Property" laws, music and movie cartels, etc.? | Dec 12 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Youtube has vidz | Dec 12 19:35 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Dec 12 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | I know there's a tax that gets paid to them on all blank discs sold | Dec 12 19:35 |
| Ender2070 | thanks to a whistleblower people found out, and the EFF tried suing AT&T | Dec 12 19:35 |
| Ender2070 | how many more of these places exist, and under such agreements that you're likely to be imprisoned now for taling | Dec 12 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: whistleblowers | Dec 12 19:36 |
| Ender2070 | talking | Dec 12 19:36 |
| shreddar | Well privacy still is a concern. It's not just Google though. I remeber hearing about Yahoo working with China to spy on one of it's citizens or something. | Dec 12 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Oh, beat me to it, nm | Dec 12 19:36 |
| schestowitz | EU COmmission puts GOogle spyware (Analytics) in pages | Dec 12 19:36 |
| Ender2070 | after the AT&T incident, they likely beefed up their rules and contracts to prevent stuff from hitting the news | Dec 12 19:36 |
| schestowitz | As Andre said, shame on them (not his words) | Dec 12 19:37 |
| schestowitz | BN got rid of AdSense too, so no Google eye in there | Dec 12 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Just Ad Bard, who are FSFers | Dec 12 19:37 |
| Ender2070 | im just saying, boycotting google for something the government is already doing is silly | Dec 12 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: I see your blog has some negative comments about the vibrator merchant | Dec 12 19:38 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 19:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna do some posts now | Dec 12 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla wants Microsoft to open their wallets and pay them more than Google currently is | Dec 12 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Just had a shower and all... like 10 posts pending | Dec 12 19:38 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - yes | Dec 12 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | whoever offers them the most money gets their crap integrated into Firefox | Dec 12 19:38 |
| Ender2070 | an executive would manage finances no? | Dec 12 19:39 |
| Ender2070 | stormy peters does for gnome | Dec 12 19:39 |
| schestowitz | They can't | Dec 12 19:39 |
| schestowitz | It makes no business sense, DaemonFC | Dec 12 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Firefox users run away from Microsoft | Dec 12 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | it makes perfect sense | Dec 12 19:39 |
| Ender2070 | most users wont know Bing is MS | Dec 12 19:39 |
| schestowitz | It would make no sense to put MSN there, right? :-) | Dec 12 19:39 |
| shreddar | I just don't think replacing and industry leaders service with their monopolistic anticompetitive competitor is the best sollution to the privacy issue. | Dec 12 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | most Firefox users run Windows anyway, Microsoft can "extend" Firefox through Windows Updates | Dec 12 19:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, think about it | Dec 12 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Really, think | Dec 12 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | they're not afraid of Firefox | Dec 12 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Dec 12 19:39 |
| schestowitz | You don't listen | Dec 12 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Firefox loyals | Dec 12 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Not Microsoft | Dec 12 19:40 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think Firefox's major offering to users is that IE sucks more | Dec 12 19:40 |
| Ender2070 | shreddar - good point, replacing evil with evil doesnt make anything better | Dec 12 19:40 |
| shreddar | Especially when you still have privacy problems with said competitors service anyways. | Dec 12 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | that's tended to be their rationale for why you should switch to them | Dec 12 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Windows is worse than Google | Dec 12 19:41 |
| schestowitz | It spies on users files | Dec 12 19:41 |
| schestowitz | ANd programs | Dec 12 19:41 |
| Ender2070 | MS is worse than Google too | Dec 12 19:41 |
| schestowitz | And logins, etc,. | Dec 12 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | so does Google | Dec 12 19:41 |
| schestowitz | It phones home with this data | Dec 12 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Dec 12 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | especially if you install their desktop search | Dec 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | GOogle has no access to OS data | Dec 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Just requests for data (http) | Dec 12 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | but it gets plenty of information via Chrome spyware and their search engine alone | Dec 12 19:42 |
| Ender2070 | MS has access if it installs firefox addons on you | Dec 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, if you share on a network | Dec 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | It was fixed | Dec 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | That goes back to 2008 | Dec 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft knows how many people installed Firefox | Dec 12 19:42 |
| schestowitz | It gets a list of installed apps upon winupdate | Dec 12 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: So what happens when Microsoft "extends" Chrome with Windows Presentation Foundation, Silverlight, ClickOnce....? | Dec 12 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | they will if Chrome becomes important enough to them | Dec 12 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | most users didn't even know or know why they should care when that stuff was trojaned into Firefox | Dec 12 19:43 |
| shreddar | When MS makes a browser based OS they will loose to the Web. | Dec 12 19:44 |
| shreddar | They sell platforms | Dec 12 19:44 |
| Ender2070 | Konquerer | Dec 12 19:44 |
| Ender2070 | enough said | Dec 12 19:44 |
| shreddar | They can't compete on anything besides legacy support. | Dec 12 19:44 |
| shreddar | The whole point of the Web is a ubiquitous platform that's free. | Dec 12 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZiydz6bP8 < Satellite-spotters! - BBC science | Dec 12 19:50 |
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| Ender2070 | theres more to that identica feed | Dec 12 19:58 |
| Ender2070 | the vibrator salesman jumped in | Dec 12 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/34118297#34052115 | Dec 12 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Brilliant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egx1hP0fMmQ&NR=1 | Dec 12 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: any foaming at the mouth yet? | Dec 12 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 20:02 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Dec 12 20:02 |
| shreddar | Foaming at the mouth? what did I miss? | Dec 12 20:04 |
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| Ender2070 | the lacky used @lefty to call in reinforcements | Dec 12 20:10 |
| Ender2070 | and he showed up on queue | Dec 12 20:10 |
| trmanco | link? | Dec 12 20:10 |
| trmanco | I didn't bookmark it | Dec 12 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/34118297#34319996 | Dec 12 20:11 |
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| DaemonFC | Obama's Anti-Charlie Brown Conspiracy | Dec 12 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | that was too damned funny | Dec 12 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't breathe for a few moments | Dec 12 20:11 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: sorry I didnt respond earlier, Ive been getting COLA Wintroll material...its good... In respect of Linux basement, Im giving it a go shortly. Never listened to that podcast before....Thanks! | Dec 12 20:12 |
| Ender2070 | http://identi.ca/conversation/16617618 | Dec 12 20:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 34.52 KB | Dec 12 20:14 |
| Ender2070 | and | Dec 12 20:15 |
| Ender2070 | http://identi.ca/conversation/16621950 | Dec 12 20:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 29.7 KB | Dec 12 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | "You're an adult who can brush his own teeth....probably. Do they not pay you $9.83 sir?" | Dec 12 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | classic | Dec 12 20:15 |
| Ender2070 | http://identi.ca/notice/16622944 | Dec 12 20:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Shane Gordon (notmyfuckingidentica) 's status on Saturday, 12-Dec-09 20:10:14 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.03 KB | Dec 12 20:16 |
| Ender2070 | GOLD | Dec 12 20:16 |
| trmanco | mine | Dec 12 20:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GatesFoundation Funds Literature Supportive of Its Objectives http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/12/gates-funding-books/ | Dec 12 20:20 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Gates Foundation Funds Literature Supportive of Its Objectives | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.28 KB | Dec 12 20:20 |
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| Ender2070 | http://identi.ca/notice/16623601 | Dec 12 20:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Shane Gordon (notmyfuckingidentica) 's status on Saturday, 12-Dec-09 20:24:42 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.09 KB | Dec 12 20:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] rt @travmon: ♺ @x1101: The #linux community is so very misunderstood by some people http://twurl.nl/fw6loe #lo | Dec 12 20:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not Always Right | Funny & Stupid Customer Quotes » When Open Source Meets Closed Minds .::. Size~: 53.96 KB | Dec 12 20:38 |
| shreddar | I still think my idea of a Wikipedia like search engine could work. (as far fetched as it is) | Dec 12 20:41 |
| shreddar | I think the only thing beside volunteers that would be needed is sufficient servers | Dec 12 20:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME at Risk of Losing Its #GNU Status http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/12/gnome-and-gnu/ | Dec 12 20:47 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GNOME at Risk of Losing Its GNU Status | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.4 KB | Dec 12 20:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] anyone got a suggestion for a good netbook distro? | Dec 12 20:49 | |
| shreddar | jellybean | Dec 12 20:50 |
| shreddar | I mean Jolicloud | Dec 12 20:51 |
| shreddar | easypeasy | Dec 12 20:52 |
| shreddar | Cloudo | Dec 12 20:53 |
| MinceR | kubuntu | Dec 12 20:55 |
| MinceR | (that's what's on my netbook) | Dec 12 20:55 |
| MinceR | (desktop edition, too) | Dec 12 20:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GoldmanSachs bankers are carrying, are not carrying, and now are carrying again http://ur1.ca/hnfd | Dec 12 21:01 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Maybe Goldman's bankers are getting guns after all (and even if they aren't, man, this shadowy carry-permits-for-the-rich thing is scary) - UPDATED Boing Boing .::. Size~: 141.34 KB | Dec 12 21:01 |
| shreddar | Most of the shit being thrown at Richard Stallmen seems to come from people in the Software Industry who wants to keep control on their side away from the users. | Dec 12 21:09 |
| shreddar | Richard says those actions are evil the Software Industry calls him communist. | Dec 12 21:10 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Dec 12 21:11 |
| Ender2070 | they want to freedom to restrict users | Dec 12 21:11 |
| shreddar | Like he doesn't want anyone to own anything. No! He wants users to own what's on their computers. | Dec 12 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Dec 12 21:15 |
| Ender2070 | when you say that they counter argue with "no user actually reads all the source code" | Dec 12 21:16 |
| shreddar | Some users obviously do read the source code + modify it to suit their needs. If they are really nice they make the patches available to everyone with the same needs. | Dec 12 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Dec 12 21:21 |
| Ender2070 | they can also hire a programmer if they cant code | Dec 12 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | get features added | Dec 12 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | its more personal that way too | Dec 12 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | than buying a shrinkwrapped box with commercial support | Dec 12 21:22 |
| shreddar | If Windows was free and open source you could: Modify the customize logo as well as many other restricted alterations. Replace IE with a more modern alternative web browser. Maybe make it boot up 7 secs. Make it crash less. | Dec 12 21:31 |
| shreddar | Port it Spark, PPC, ARM. | Dec 12 21:32 |
| shreddar | Remove to bit where MS reports some of the private user activity to their servers. | Dec 12 21:33 |
| shreddar | But since it's closed source doing that stuff requires a lot more effort. Some of it is would be nearly undo-able. | Dec 12 21:36 |
| shreddar | You definitely can't give copies of Windows to friends and family. (That would have been nice about 5 or 6 years ago) | Dec 12 21:39 |
| schestowitz | My feelings about identica change...... | Dec 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Now they have Microsoft anti-Linux trolls in there indeed | Dec 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I was only suspicious before | Dec 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Now they have the ones of the worst kinds | Dec 12 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's time for mutex to join his friends... at identi.ca | Dec 12 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, many companies fork or branch | Dec 12 21:44 |
| schestowitz | See Android for example | Dec 12 21:44 |
| schestowitz | There are several versions and detours by now | Dec 12 21:44 |
| schestowitz | There is still one Linux | Dec 12 21:44 |
| schestowitz | But good branches and patchsets get merged in | Dec 12 21:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #wikipedia is down. send more money. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising | Dec 12 21:44 | |
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| schestowitz | Like the free nvidia driver for 2.6.33 trunk | Dec 12 21:45 |
| schestowitz | BTW, trolls in identica are maybe sign of growth | Dec 12 21:45 |
| schestowitz | It matured to the point where the AstroTurf found it worthwhile to infest | Dec 12 21:45 |
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| Ender2070 | Dell kinda forked Chrome OS | Dec 12 21:48 |
| shreddar | If they really did that and intend to use it. Then cool. | Dec 12 21:52 |
| shreddar | I always thought these PC companies should differentiate more. | Dec 12 21:53 |
| shreddar | I'd like to see a Mozilla or Opera forked Chrome OS. | Dec 12 21:56 |
| Leroy | HI GUYS | Dec 12 21:57 |
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| shreddar | Yahoo Chrome OS would be interesting too as well as Excite, Lycos and Ask. (I love options is what I'm saying) | Dec 12 22:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Japanese #ODF #Standard Released, Alex Brown Seemingly Attacks #OOXML Dissent (Again) http://ur1.ca/hnjh | Dec 12 22:00 | |
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| shreddar | I remember when they had free ISP branded by every search engine. | Dec 12 22:02 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 22:03 |
| shreddar | It sucks how that turned out. | Dec 12 22:03 |
| shreddar | Google should make a free ISP. They know how to do ad supported services. | Dec 12 22:04 |
| MinceR | it would suck | Dec 12 22:05 |
| shreddar | Maybe | Dec 12 22:06 |
| shreddar | It's hard to deny that I like not having a ad bar up all the time. | Dec 12 22:06 |
| shreddar | Especially if it was high speed. | Dec 12 22:07 |
| shreddar | The highest speed. | Dec 12 22:07 |
| shreddar | None of that medium grade service I get from my ISP. | Dec 12 22:08 |
| shreddar | High High speed costs too much. Beside I already feel ripped off paying the regular amount. | Dec 12 22:09 |
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| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 22:11 |
| trmanco | ? | Dec 12 22:15 |
| trmanco | is caps really necessary? | Dec 12 22:16 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 22:16 |
| shreddar | It's like the scene in Alien where that guy kept saying "Right". | Dec 12 22:17 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | not the brightest bulb in the pack | Dec 12 22:20 |
| MinceR | not the brightest bulb in the bucket | Dec 12 22:20 |
| MinceR | not the sharpest tool in the shed | Dec 12 22:20 |
| trmanco | first time I actually used the ./ignore was today | Dec 12 22:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 12 22:20 |
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| Ender2070 | another news site linked me: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/129488/index.html | Dec 12 22:25 |
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| Ender2070 | still pending on OSnews | Dec 12 22:25 |
| Ender2070 | hmm another flood of comments | Dec 12 22:28 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 12 22:29 |
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| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 22:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] It's time to give up on this foolishness we laughingly call "civilisation" http://twitpic.com/t72mk | Dec 12 22:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] yakshaving: ubuntu repos broken, can't install inkscape. win32 ver under wine! works great! ... until you try to save. >_< | Dec 12 22:31 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitpic - Share photos on Twitter .::. Size~: 7.6 KB | Dec 12 22:31 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 22:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Apparently Push-polling for #Patent Tax on #GNU #Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/12/push-polling-interoperability/ | Dec 12 22:38 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft is Apparently Push-polling for Patent Tax on GNU/Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.27 KB | Dec 12 22:38 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 22:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Lawsuit Over Alleged #Microsoft Corruption in #Switzerland Escalates to Federal Court http://ur1.ca/hnmv | Dec 12 22:49 | |
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| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 22:55 |
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| trmanco | I borked plasma | Dec 12 23:07 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:08 |
| trmanco | what the fuck are you doing here? | Dec 12 23:09 |
| trmanco | geez | Dec 12 23:09 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:09 |
| trmanco | get out of my sight | Dec 12 23:09 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:09 |
| _goblin | anything exciting been happening here..? | Dec 12 23:10 |
| trmanco | no | Dec 12 23:10 |
| MinceR | nope | Dec 12 23:10 |
| _goblin | ah... | Dec 12 23:10 |
| _goblin | I see the picture now. | Dec 12 23:10 |
| _goblin | Theres not much festive cheer from the Wintrolls in COLA....bless them. | Dec 12 23:11 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:11 |
| MinceR | blast them | Dec 12 23:11 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:11 |
| _goblin | I think some of them are a cry for help. | Dec 12 23:11 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:12 |
| _goblin | Is anyone here going to be reliving their youth by watching TLC on Sunday? | Dec 12 23:13 |
| MinceR | what's TLC? | Dec 12 23:13 |
| _goblin | Tables/Ladders/Chairs its a WWE PPV. | Dec 12 23:13 |
| MinceR | then no :) | Dec 12 23:13 |
| _goblin | lol. | Dec 12 23:13 |
| _goblin | seems old Goblin here is the only one who never grew out of his love of wrestling... | Dec 12 23:14 |
| _goblin | theres some material the Wintroll lurkers can quote from the IRC logs. | Dec 12 23:14 |
| MinceR | i didn't get a chance to get to like it | Dec 12 23:14 |
| MinceR | didn't get to watch | Dec 12 23:14 |
| _goblin | never too late....harmless fun! | Dec 12 23:14 |
| _goblin | the sad thing is, my grandfather (after he left the RAF) was offered a job in the wrestling industry and instead became a bus inspector....I wonder what would have happened if......... | Dec 12 23:16 |
| trmanco | fixed | Dec 12 23:16 |
| trmanco | :| | Dec 12 23:16 |
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| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft as #Communism , Revisited http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/12/communist-smear-vs-free-software/ | Dec 12 23:40 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft as Communism, Revisited | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 124.83 KB | Dec 12 23:41 |
| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:42 |
| MinceR | nice | Dec 12 23:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft as soviet communism yes | Dec 12 23:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft as smurf communism... maybe... I mean, they have the whole blue screen of death thing going on | Dec 12 23:43 |
| MinceR | i miss the Fiegel issue from the article though | Dec 12 23:44 |
| MinceR | schestowitz And one of its advocate (Fiegel or something) written extensively to advocate communism in Europe in his younge days Dec 11 12:41 | Dec 12 23:45 |
| MinceR | schestowitz So Microsoft has real communism baggage Dec 11 12:41 | Dec 12 23:45 |
| MinceR | schestowitz They just hide it Dec 11 12:41 | Dec 12 23:45 |
| *schestowitz has kicked Leroy from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Dec 12 23:45 | |
| MinceR | this is what i was referring to when i said "write an article on that" | Dec 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I did before | Dec 12 23:45 |
| MinceR | btw that Leroy troll even failed to spell "O RLY?" or "ORLY?" correctly | Dec 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I don't have patience to redo it | Dec 12 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: Oh, really? | Dec 12 23:45 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: Yeah, really! | Dec 12 23:46 |
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| Leroy | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:46 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on Leroy!*@* | Dec 12 23:46 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked Leroy from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Dec 12 23:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia and #Apple Cross Swords, British #Patent System Becomes Form of Tax... http://ur1.ca/hnqa #swpat | Dec 12 23:46 | |
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| cXhristian | OH REALLY? | Dec 12 23:48 |
| MinceR | you forgot the "!", dumbass | Dec 12 23:49 |
| _goblin | cut and paste must be beyond him. | Dec 12 23:49 |
| MinceR | so must be using the history | Dec 12 23:50 |
| cXhristian | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:50 |
| cXhristian | SORRY | Dec 12 23:50 |
| _goblin | its obviously now come to this. They can't find any points to argue or come up with any reasonable debate. | Dec 12 23:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | WHY ARE WE USING CAPS | Dec 12 23:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | LA LA LA LA LA LISTEN TO ME SING | Dec 12 23:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/11/google-backed-undersea-cable-project-moving-forward | Dec 12 23:51 |
| MinceR | also, you are misspelling "O RLY?" or "ORLY?" | Dec 12 23:51 |
| cXhristian | CAUSE WE ARE NOT USING SHIFT | Dec 12 23:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google-Backed Undersea Cable Project Moving Forward | WebProNews .::. Size~: 32.31 KB | Dec 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Google Beach (Beta) | Dec 12 23:51 |
| _goblin | at least its not vulgar, we have that to be thankful for. | Dec 12 23:51 |
| cXhristian | ORLY IS FOR FAGS | Dec 12 23:51 |
| MinceR | so it fits you perfectly! | Dec 12 23:51 |
| _goblin | oh...scrub that... | Dec 12 23:51 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on cXhristian!*@* | Dec 12 23:51 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked cXhristian from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Dec 12 23:51 | |
| Diablo-D3 | TODAY GERMANY, TOMMORROW POLAND, THE DAY AFTER, THE WORLD! | Dec 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | This troll comes from Norwar | Dec 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | *way | Dec 12 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Just like in the mythical stories | Dec 12 23:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | a norse troll | Dec 12 23:51 |
| *Diablo-D3 facepalms | Dec 12 23:51 | |
| MinceR | "Norway!" "Ya way!" | Dec 12 23:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: ARGH | Dec 12 23:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | AAAARGH | Dec 12 23:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 12 23:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | MY BRAINCELLS! | Dec 12 23:52 |
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| JENKINS | OH REALLY?! | Dec 12 23:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | YARLY | Dec 12 23:52 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on JENKINS!*@* | Dec 12 23:52 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked JENKINS from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Dec 12 23:52 | |
| Diablo-D3 | bwhahaha | Dec 12 23:52 |
| MinceR | nick bans aren't going to do anything | Dec 12 23:52 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!*@*c3FB1BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no | Dec 12 23:53 | |
| MinceR | that will hold him back until he reconnects to his isp :) | Dec 12 23:53 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!?=god@*.dhcp.bluecom.no | Dec 12 23:53 | |
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| schestowitz | Google DNS+Google SPDY+Google Chrome (phone hope as you hype)+Analytics+Google wireless | Dec 12 23:54 |
| schestowitz | *phone home as you hype | Dec 12 23:54 |
| schestowitz | *type | Dec 12 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Or hype, whatever... | Dec 12 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Google's 'pro' ducts get too much hype anyway | Dec 12 23:55 |
| MinceR | indeed | Dec 12 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | "If you liked our search use our *.*" | Dec 12 23:58 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=433&cpage=1#comment-324 | Dec 12 23:59 |
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