cubezzz | Facebook is slow | Dec 22 00:02 |
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trmanco | it is now | Dec 22 00:04 |
trmanco | but it wasn't before | Dec 22 00:04 |
trmanco | but the main cause is not php | Dec 22 00:04 |
ziggyfish_ | the main cause is advertisements | Dec 22 00:04 |
ziggyfish_ | ;) | Dec 22 00:05 |
trmanco | I use adblock | Dec 22 00:06 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Offlineimap 6.2.0 seems a lot more stable than 5.99.4 that's in Ubuntu hardy on my server. Need to build that | Dec 22 00:16 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IDC Speculation That #Vista7 is Last PC Operating System from Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/21/windows-ends-winmob-slips/ | Dec 22 00:36 | |
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zoobab_ | th mplayer, vlc or rtmpdump. | Dec 22 00:50 |
zoobab_ | th mplayer, vlc or rtmpdump. | Dec 22 00:50 |
zoobab_ | does someone knows how to dump this stream: | Dec 22 00:50 |
zoobab_ | th mplayer, vlc or rtmpdump. | Dec 22 00:50 |
zoobab_ | rtsp://vod.europarl.europa.eu/nasvod02/cod0910/wm_pad/Channel04/VODChapter_20091013_14103900_18521500_Ch04.wmv | Dec 22 00:50 |
schestowitz | ziggyfish_: yeah, bloat in general | Dec 22 00:51 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yeah, right. C++ 4 times faster... I really buy that... | Dec 22 00:51 |
trmanco | it's C | Dec 22 00:52 |
trmanco | maybe I misread it | Dec 22 00:52 |
schestowitz | cgi.... | Dec 22 00:52 |
trmanco | yeah | Dec 22 00:52 |
trmanco | c++ | Dec 22 00:52 |
schestowitz | When does red hat announce results? | Dec 22 00:55 |
schestowitz | I thought it was today | Dec 22 00:55 |
schestowitz | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/17/has-the-ftc-opened-the-door-for-the-great-chip-war/ | Dec 22 00:59 |
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schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Goodbye-Fedora-10-130258.shtml | Dec 22 01:02 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Goodbye Fedora 10 - Cambridge "died" on December 17th - Softpedia .::. Size~: 47.71 KB | Dec 22 01:02 |
schestowitz | I want to try Fedora 13 if it had kde4.4 | Dec 22 01:02 |
schestowitz | *has | Dec 22 01:02 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #digiKam 1.0.0 looks really, really nice. http://linuxcrunch.com/content/digikam-100-out #kde rocks | Dec 22 01:09 | |
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oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11821&tag=content;col1 indemnification clause lol some times these guys are idiots. GPL makes no allowance for such thing to effect ruling. | Dec 22 01:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's CFO moved to another dying company, Federal Motors. http://ur1.ca/ibjb | Dec 22 01:13 | |
schestowitz | Oh, not the Perlow anti-FSF troll | Dec 22 01:13 |
phIRCe-local | Title: GM Taps Microsoft Executive for CFO - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 54.98 KB | Dec 22 01:13 |
schestowitz | Even Hess is more enlightened than him....... | Dec 22 01:14 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/opinion/jolicloud-thoughts/ | Dec 22 01:18 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Jolicloud thoughts | Linux User .::. Size~: 29.68 KB | Dec 22 01:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The poor ratings of @glynmoody 's article show that more people care about "Linux", not freedom http://ur1.ca/icev | Dec 22 01:20 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/google-could-face-lawsuit-over-smartphone-name/?cs=38299 | Dec 22 01:21 |
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schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39926434,00.htm | Dec 22 01:23 |
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schestowitz | http://2010.newsweek.com/top-10/tech-predictions/Microsoft-Pushes-Out-Steve-Ballmer.html | Dec 22 01:26 |
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schestowitz | "Another problem: there's no heir apparent on the management team. Nevertheless, investors must be getting restless. Soon they'll start calling for a shake-up." | Dec 22 01:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gecko is still far more widespread than khtml/webkit http://ur1.ca/icfa http://ur1.ca/icfa | Dec 22 01:29 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How committed will #Cavium be to Linux commits? http://it.tmcnet.com/news/2009/12/18/4540889.htm Not terribly reassuring | Dec 22 01:34 | |
schestowitz | [00:21] <zoobab_> Lehne here | Dec 22 01:35 |
schestowitz | [00:21] <zoobab_> http://europarltv.europa.eu/ | Dec 22 01:35 |
schestowitz | [00:21] <zoobab_> he is speaking after a talk on conflict of interests | Dec 22 01:35 |
schestowitz | Hehe! | Dec 22 01:35 |
schestowitz | Look who's talking!! | Dec 22 01:35 |
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cubezzz | Federal Motors? You mean GM I guess? :) | Dec 22 01:43 |
schestowitz | It's owned by the government now... part of it | Dec 22 01:44 |
schestowitz | It's more federal than the Federal reserve | Dec 22 01:45 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Will push emacs-goodies and emacs-haskell-mode tonight now leavin to my alma mater ; | Dec 22 01:49 | |
ender2070 | [19:56] <schestowitz> I want to try Fedora 13 if it had kde4.4 - KDE 4.3.85 | Dec 22 01:59 |
ender2070 | Current: Rawhide(F13): kde-4.3.85/qt-4.6.0, F10/F11/F12: kde-4.3.3/qt-4.5.3, updates-testing: kde-4.3.4 | Dec 22 02:00 |
ender2070 | 4.3.85 is beta 2 | Dec 22 02:00 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/21/google_tax/ | Dec 22 02:03 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/21/rip_obannon/ | Dec 22 02:08 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Some sugar for the geek that manages to record the stream of the STOA meeting on UPLS and patents: http://i5.be/5w | Dec 22 02:09 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @EFF: EFF's Holiday Guide to E-Book Privacy: http://eff.org/n/9332 | Dec 22 02:12 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've always assumed cell phones were a bit of an experiment and dumped mine in 03. http://ur1.ca/ichd | Dec 22 02:13 | |
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zoobab_ | damn it | Dec 22 02:18 |
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schestowitz | zoobab_: did you make a video copy/mirror? | Dec 22 02:33 |
schestowitz | Ogg would be good.... embeddable in Firefox | Dec 22 02:33 |
zoobab_ | I cannot manage to even see the stream | Dec 22 02:33 |
schestowitz | Typical | Dec 22 02:34 |
schestowitz | asp->no transparency | Dec 22 02:34 |
schestowitz | DRM circus | Dec 22 02:34 |
zoobab_ | it seems | Dec 22 02:34 |
zoobab_ | RTSP/1.0 Forbidden: Proxy not licensed | Dec 22 02:34 |
zoobab_ | RTSP/1.0 403 Forbidden: Proxy not licensed | Dec 22 02:35 |
schestowitz | The FFII complained aboit the format some years ago, IIRC | Dec 22 02:35 |
schestowitz | zoobab_: it's public info | Dec 22 02:35 |
schestowitz | No reason for "licence" or "permission" | Dec 22 02:35 |
schestowitz | They should offer the raw data | Dec 22 02:35 |
zoobab_ | rtsp://vod.europarl.europa.eu/nasvod02/cod0910/wm_pad/Channel04/VODChapter_20091013_14103900_18521500_Ch04.wmv?wmcache=0 | Dec 22 02:35 |
schestowitz | Esp. for EU IPs | Dec 22 02:35 |
schestowitz | spdy:// ? :-) | Dec 22 02:36 |
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schestowitz | Blakenhorn... http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5460 "Whenever I feel a need for traffic, and talkbacks, I just write something with Microsoft or Windows in the title and y’all come running." | Dec 22 02:39 |
sebsebseb | Interesting point they make | Dec 22 03:05 |
sebsebseb | http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=6479 | Dec 22 03:05 |
sebsebseb | oh no bot? | Dec 22 03:06 |
sebsebseb | heading/title: Why the EU's "browser ballot" is a bad idea | Dec 22 03:06 |
schestowitz | zoobab_: http://techdirt.com/articles/20091214/0911457340.shtml | Dec 22 03:07 |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb: he's a troll, I don't bother with his blog | Dec 22 03:07 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Why do you think that? | Dec 22 03:09 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Also what do you think of this browser screen? | Dec 22 03:10 |
schestowitz | I don't care much | Dec 22 03:12 |
schestowitz | It's for Windows, I don't use it | Dec 22 03:12 |
sebsebseb | well yeah, but | Dec 22 03:12 |
sebsebseb | this effects Desktop Linux users as well | Dec 22 03:12 |
sebsebseb | it effects web users | Dec 22 03:12 |
sebsebseb | if enough web users use a decant browsers, a lot of websites are likely to start becoming a lot better :) | Dec 22 03:12 |
zoobab_ | IE is still preinstalled | Dec 22 03:16 |
schestowitz | Obama's Home Teleprompter Malfunctions During Family Dinner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQTaWjMoFw&feature=PlayList&p=58NKeitRqbE | Dec 22 03:18 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-faCh8BUEts&feature=PlayList&p=58NKeitRqbE | Dec 22 03:21 |
sebsebseb | zoobab_: well sure, but it's also bundled into Windows big time | Dec 22 03:27 |
sebsebseb | zoobab_: and that woudn't be providing a choice if IE got removed? | Dec 22 03:28 |
zoobab_ | Microsoft will never accept that | Dec 22 03:33 |
zoobab_ | the IE binary will always be somewhere on the OEM harddisk image | Dec 22 03:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9k_nAbsNfI&feature=PlayList&p=58NKeitRqbE | Dec 22 03:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Commission boosts Microsoft's monopoly with software patents: http://i5.be/5x | Dec 22 03:40 | |
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schestowitz | US debt is over... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRgRz3nSG7o&feature=PlayList&p=58NKeitRqbE | Dec 22 03:40 |
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oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Qt-applications-in-your-browser-891117.html Interesting | Dec 22 05:25 |
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DaemonFC | these granola bars are delicious | Dec 22 05:54 |
DaemonFC | probably from the sugar and frosting and honey | Dec 22 05:55 |
DaemonFC | blood sugar always has to run low when it's late at night and I have to drive 3 miles to get some candy bars or something | Dec 22 05:56 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070, I should go to a police sale or something | Dec 22 06:00 |
DaemonFC | see if I can get in a bid for a car they seized | Dec 22 06:00 |
DaemonFC | what do you think? :) | Dec 22 06:00 |
Ender2070 | lol | Dec 22 06:02 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070, The county has a pretty shitty website | Dec 22 06:03 |
DaemonFC | half the department pages are blank | Dec 22 06:03 |
DaemonFC | http://huntington.in.us/ | Dec 22 06:03 |
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DaemonFC | they were supposed to start listing all their seized property that's up for sale, but I'll be damned if I can find it | Dec 22 06:04 |
DaemonFC | After they arrested all my neighbors for drug dealing and minor consumption and providing alcohol to minors, etc...... | Dec 22 06:05 |
DaemonFC | several years ago | Dec 22 06:05 |
DaemonFC | I broke in while I knew they were in jail and uhhhhmmmm | Dec 22 06:05 |
DaemonFC | kinda sorta reappropriated some property | Dec 22 06:06 |
DaemonFC | I've never really had any good neighbors no matter where I've lived | Dec 22 06:07 |
DaemonFC | the closest thing I've ever had to neighbors I can stand are the ones I have now | Dec 22 06:07 |
DaemonFC | of course one of them moved in her son which is listed on the Megan's Law website | Dec 22 06:07 |
DaemonFC | you never know about those though, cause there's a lot of ways to end up registering as a sex offender without really doing anything that wrong | Dec 22 06:08 |
DaemonFC | Indiana even makes you register for 10 years if someone sees you taking a piss out in the woods | Dec 22 06:09 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070, I'd really like to know how taking a piss out in the woods is worse than a woman breast feeding in Burger King | Dec 22 06:10 |
DaemonFC | wouldn't you? :) | Dec 22 06:10 |
DaemonFC | as far as I'm concerned, if they label a man a sex offender for peeing, they should label a woman a sex offender for breast feeding | Dec 22 06:10 |
DaemonFC | let them have trouble finding a job for the next 10 years cause they were breast feeding in public | Dec 22 06:11 |
DaemonFC | in fact, I think we should amend the state constitution so that pissing in the woods is protected free speech or something | Dec 22 06:12 |
DaemonFC | I'm gonna start carrying a crucifix and a mason jar around with me when I'm in the woods, so that if I'm caught peeing, the government is intruding on my first amendment rights | Dec 22 06:13 |
DaemonFC | I was going to sell that as modern art, dammit :D | Dec 22 06:14 |
Ender2070 | I would rather them stop freaking out over people peeing where they can't find a toilet | Dec 22 06:18 |
Ender2070 | than to punish females | Dec 22 06:18 |
Ender2070 | breast feeding and urination are both natural and have nothing to do with sex | Dec 22 06:19 |
Ender2070 | unless you're R Kelly | Dec 22 06:19 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm | Dec 22 06:21 |
Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llR4JBw29Lc | Dec 22 06:21 |
DaemonFC | I'm about ready to stick XP back on this laptop | Dec 22 06:22 |
DaemonFC | the 200m just dies on Linux | Dec 22 06:22 |
ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC: which distro | Dec 22 06:23 |
Ender2070 | you suck | Dec 22 06:23 |
DaemonFC | any, ATI stopped supporting it and the radeon driver is no good for it | Dec 22 06:24 |
Ender2070 | you didnt think ahead | Dec 22 06:24 |
Ender2070 | ati does that all the time | Dec 22 06:24 |
ziggyfish_ | I have a radeon card, and never had a problem, how do you have it configured? | Dec 22 06:25 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070, Something tells me that my RadeonHD 4670 might be unsupported before they release a driver that supports the latest X server | Dec 22 06:25 |
DaemonFC | :P | Dec 22 06:25 |
Ender2070 | nvidia fixes xorg, they dont just stick to their driver | Dec 22 06:25 |
ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC: I've got the one above that Radeon HD 4850 | Dec 22 06:26 |
DaemonFC | iirc, Nvidia works around X bugs | Dec 22 06:26 |
DaemonFC | doesn't fix them | Dec 22 06:26 |
Ender2070 | keyword: works | Dec 22 06:26 |
Ender2070 | ;) | Dec 22 06:27 |
DaemonFC | well, in Windows, the RadeonHD 4670 blows the Geforce 9600 I had away | Dec 22 06:27 |
Ender2070 | both suck | Dec 22 06:27 |
ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC: what version of the driver do you have installed? | Dec 22 06:27 |
Ender2070 | my 9800GTX+ pwns them both | Dec 22 06:28 |
DaemonFC | on Linux, the damned thing can't even keep up with the Geforce 9500 GT | Dec 22 06:28 |
Ender2070 | 55nm beotch | Dec 22 06:28 |
DaemonFC | ATI is fine as long as you never plan to stop using Windows | Dec 22 06:28 |
Ender2070 | which is unacceptable | Dec 22 06:28 |
Ender2070 | Windows is terrible | Dec 22 06:28 |
ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC: as I said, I've never had a problem | Dec 22 06:28 |
oiaohm | The driver for the 4670 is still a work in progress DaemonFC | Dec 22 06:28 |
DaemonFC | their Linux driver is just sad | Dec 22 06:29 |
DaemonFC | cuts your card's performance in half | Dec 22 06:29 |
DaemonFC | some features just don't exist | Dec 22 06:29 |
Ender2070 | blame amd, they only care about windows | Dec 22 06:29 |
oiaohm | Open source driver for a r700 will improve DaemonFC | Dec 22 06:30 |
DaemonFC | I had considered formatting again and just going back to XP Pro x64 | Dec 22 06:30 |
DaemonFC | It can handle quad core CPUs I believe | Dec 22 06:30 |
Ender2070 | XP is 8 years old | Dec 22 06:30 |
DaemonFC | x64 is only like 4 years old | Dec 22 06:30 |
Ender2070 | not much better | Dec 22 06:30 |
Ender2070 | what did linux look like 4 years ago | Dec 22 06:30 |
Ender2070 | WAY different | Dec 22 06:31 |
DaemonFC | blah | Dec 22 06:31 |
DaemonFC | way buggier | Dec 22 06:31 |
Ender2070 | linux advances faster | Dec 22 06:31 |
DaemonFC | didn't even boot on every other system | Dec 22 06:31 |
Ender2070 | not their fault proprietary businesses can't keep up | Dec 22 06:31 |
DaemonFC | the Ubuntu 4.10 CD case was very pretty, the OS itself just never really worked | Dec 22 06:31 |
Ender2070 | for me it did | Dec 22 06:32 |
Ender2070 | back then I was running gentoo even | Dec 22 06:32 |
DaemonFC | I think I got it booted up on one of my three systems | Dec 22 06:32 |
DaemonFC | and I had no sound | Dec 22 06:32 |
Ender2070 | ever since 1999 I've purchased no hardware that does not work in linux | Dec 22 06:32 |
Ender2070 | its not hard | Dec 22 06:33 |
oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzgyNQ << I guess you are not trying this DaemonFC | Dec 22 06:33 |
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DaemonFC | you shouldn't even have to consider that in my opinion | Dec 22 06:33 |
Ender2070 | yes i should | Dec 22 06:33 |
DaemonFC | I can plug anything in and Windows will see it and find a driver | Dec 22 06:33 |
Ender2070 | if they cant make gpl drivers, they are ms shills | Dec 22 06:33 |
oiaohm | Yes that recent driver update for the open source stack is r600 and r700 DaemonFC. | Dec 22 06:33 |
Ender2070 | i dont want to fund ms shills | Dec 22 06:33 |
DaemonFC | I can't even count how many times Linux has failed to detect basic and widely used stuff | Dec 22 06:33 |
Ender2070 | i'd rather eat broken glass that buy windows-only hardware | Dec 22 06:34 |
oiaohm | Sorry DaemonFC I work on second hand machines with old hardware. | Dec 22 06:34 |
DaemonFC | Windows has failed to detect what I plugged in, once, and I worked around that | Dec 22 06:34 |
oiaohm | I do run into a lot of machines there that the drivers are no longer avaible D | Dec 22 06:34 |
oiaohm | Yet Linux is fine DaemonFC | Dec 22 06:34 |
DaemonFC | XP x64 has no MTP driver for my Sansa players | Dec 22 06:34 |
DaemonFC | but it can still use them in MSC mode | Dec 22 06:34 |
oiaohm | Both suffer XP has minor new hardware advantage. | Dec 22 06:34 |
Ender2070 | i bet MTP works in Amarok | Dec 22 06:34 |
oiaohm | Old stuff major head ache DaemonFC | Dec 22 06:34 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070, It might. It's buggy in Rhythmbox | Dec 22 06:35 |
Ender2070 | Amarok is like 100x better | Dec 22 06:35 |
DaemonFC | sometimes doesn't actually copy anything over, sometimes it tells you it deleted something and it's still there | Dec 22 06:35 |
DaemonFC | Banshee has the best MTP support outside of Windows Media Player | Dec 22 06:35 |
DaemonFC | not surprising | Dec 22 06:35 |
oiaohm | Rhythmbox has been neglected since the.net guys have been in gnome pushing there music player banshee. | Dec 22 06:35 |
Ender2070 | nope | Dec 22 06:35 |
Ender2070 | banshee is ms crap | Dec 22 06:35 |
Ender2070 | you've never even tried amarok | Dec 22 06:36 |
oiaohm | Amarok has the best MTP support in open source. There is no question. | Dec 22 06:36 |
DaemonFC | I've tried it, but my players are in MSC mode | Dec 22 06:36 |
Ender2070 | try MTP | Dec 22 06:36 |
DaemonFC | it worked, but everything else does too | Dec 22 06:36 |
Ender2070 | [01:30] <oiaohm> Amarok has the best MTP support in open source. There is no question. | Dec 22 06:36 |
Ender2070 | M T P | Dec 22 06:36 |
Ender2070 | works fine | Dec 22 06:36 |
ziggyfish_ | oiaohm: the only problem with Amarok is that it uses QT4, which doesn't run well in a gnome environment | Dec 22 06:37 |
DaemonFC | MSC mode is the only way to guarantee compatibility between operating systems and media players | Dec 22 06:37 |
Ender2070 | but MTP works in amarok | Dec 22 06:37 |
oiaohm | Stiff ziggyfish_ | Dec 22 06:37 |
Ender2070 | MSC mode works in everything true, including dos | Dec 22 06:37 |
oiaohm | This gtk or qt split is stupidity. | Dec 22 06:37 |
DaemonFC | MSC just tells the operating system to address it like a "dumb" mass storage device | Dec 22 06:37 |
ziggyfish_ | oiaohm: yes | Dec 22 06:37 |
DaemonFC | it'll even work for Windows 98 | Dec 22 06:38 |
Ender2070 | DaemonFC - the point is that Amarok supports it natively without requiring MSC | Dec 22 06:38 |
Ender2070 | everything from even a 512mb iriver from 2004 | Dec 22 06:38 |
ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC: MSC = ??? | Dec 22 06:39 |
Ender2070 | usb mode | Dec 22 06:39 |
DaemonFC | yeah, those 64 megabyte RCA Lyras from 1999 will still work with MSC | Dec 22 06:39 |
Ender2070 | acts as a flash drive | Dec 22 06:39 |
oiaohm | MSC works in armarok 2.0 is kinda minorly broken in 2.1 DaemonFC | Dec 22 06:39 |
oiaohm | MSC kind breaks regularly in all of them. | Dec 22 06:40 |
Ender2070 | <ziggyfish_> oiaohm: the only problem with Amarok is that it uses QT4, which doesn't run well in a gnome environment | Dec 22 06:40 |
Ender2070 | Qt4 works fine in my KDE environment | Dec 22 06:40 |
ziggyfish_ | Ender2070: I've tried to get into KDE, however, everytime I do, I find something missing like proper ssh and ftp support in dolphin, | Dec 22 06:41 |
oiaohm | What version kde were you trying ziggyfish_ | Dec 22 06:41 |
Ender2070 | <ziggyfish_> - when was the last version you tried? I use them regularily | Dec 22 06:42 |
DaemonFC | well, they need to kill Konqueror | Dec 22 06:42 |
ziggyfish_ | also it has to big of a memory footprint | Dec 22 06:42 |
DaemonFC | or turn it into something better than it is | Dec 22 06:42 |
ziggyfish_ | 4.3 | Dec 22 06:42 |
Ender2070 | we'll see when mono has infected more of gnome | Dec 22 06:42 |
oiaohm | Ok you must have missed instealling the plugins some how. Because I go to ssh and ftp in dolphin here ziggyfish_ | Dec 22 06:42 |
oiaohm | KDE memory foot print is that much larger than gnomes. | Dec 22 06:43 |
ziggyfish_ | Ender2070: if this gnome 3,0 goes ahead, I will probally put up with the missing features (or write them my self) | Dec 22 06:43 |
Ender2070 | you might also not want to use kubuntu, very bad kde implementation | Dec 22 06:43 |
ziggyfish_ | and use it as my prefered | Dec 22 06:43 |
ziggyfish_ | desktop environment | Dec 22 06:44 |
ziggyfish_ | Ender2070: what distro do you use? | Dec 22 06:44 |
ziggyfish_ | for KDE | Dec 22 06:44 |
oiaohm | kubuntu missing the addon plugins by default. | Dec 22 06:44 |
Ender2070 | Fedora | Dec 22 06:44 |
oiaohm | I am using Debian testing and sid yes I am a little of a edge runner. | Dec 22 06:44 |
Ender2070 | Fedora 13 is going to be more advanced than the other distros till they catch up | Dec 22 06:44 |
Ender2070 | btrfs w/ snapshots is one example | Dec 22 06:45 |
Ender2070 | yum snapshots | Dec 22 06:45 |
Ender2070 | grub integration too, a bad system update can be reverted via boot menu | Dec 22 06:46 |
ziggyfish_ | nice | Dec 22 06:46 |
Ender2070 | the kde team are very hard working too | Dec 22 06:47 |
oiaohm | Personally I stay way from not complete filesystems. | Dec 22 06:47 |
Ender2070 | they give users final kde releases | Dec 22 06:47 |
oiaohm | So I am still using ext3 is trustable. | Dec 22 06:47 |
Ender2070 | when 4.4 hits, f12 users will get it | Dec 22 06:47 |
Ender2070 | oiaohm - btrfs is close to mission critical friendly, and will be when f13 hits | Dec 22 06:48 |
oiaohm | No most likely F14 before mission friendly ie allowing for the 6 months of running to find any major hidden bugs Ender2070 | Dec 22 06:49 |
Ender2070 | you can opt to ext3 or ext4 and not get snapshots | Dec 22 06:49 |
ziggyfish_ | Ender2070: can more than one monitor work with kde 4.3 (have tried to get it working in the pass, but have failed) | Dec 22 06:49 |
oiaohm | Pitty no one has worked out how to use lvm snapshots intergrated. | Dec 22 06:49 |
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Ender2070 | ziggyfish_ in 4.4, when you plug the second one in you get a wizard | Dec 22 06:49 |
oiaohm | 4.3 is a minor trip threw hell but doable. | Dec 22 06:50 |
oiaohm | For multi monitor. | Dec 22 06:50 |
DaemonFC | Mandriva's site is down | Dec 22 06:50 |
Ender2070 | gnome is hell | Dec 22 06:50 |
Ender2070 | if your distro sucks, you get spacial nautilus | Dec 22 06:50 |
oiaohm | KDE 4.0 was hell. | Dec 22 06:50 |
oiaohm | Later ones are just getting better and better. | Dec 22 06:51 |
ziggyfish_ | Ender2070: it was very easy with ubuntu to set up more than one monitor | Dec 22 06:51 |
Ender2070 | gnome is obsolete | Dec 22 06:51 |
DaemonFC | GNOME is falling apart | Dec 22 06:51 |
ziggyfish_ | yes | Dec 22 06:51 |
oiaohm | I wish gcc 4.5 would get out. | Dec 22 06:51 |
Ender2070 | heh | Dec 22 06:52 |
Ender2070 | whats new in gcc 4.5 | Dec 22 06:52 |
Ender2070 | i've been excited about Qt 4.6 myself | Dec 22 06:52 |
DaemonFC | probably breaks more stuff | Dec 22 06:52 |
oiaohm | Link time optimisation option Ender2070 | Dec 22 06:52 |
Ender2070 | 30% speed boosts in old code | Dec 22 06:52 |
oiaohm | That also means gcc can find even more hidden bugs. | Dec 22 06:53 |
Ender2070 | yay | Dec 22 06:53 |
ziggyfish_ | gcc 4.4 was the first to have auto-parallelization, I hope that will be improved in 4.5 | Dec 22 06:53 |
Ender2070 | auto-parallelization? | Dec 22 06:53 |
oiaohm | Link time optimisation helps with that ziggyfish_ | Dec 22 06:53 |
Ender2070 | sounds like uses more cores if available or am I totally wrong? | Dec 22 06:54 |
oiaohm | Being locked inside single object files kinda limited it effectiveness ziggyfish_ | Dec 22 06:54 |
oiaohm | Ender2070: yep you are right | Dec 22 06:54 |
ziggyfish_ | Ender2070: Graphite | Dec 22 06:54 |
Ender2070 | how is it different than -j5 ? | Dec 22 06:54 |
ziggyfish_ | Ender2070: you mean 'make -j5'? | Dec 22 06:55 |
Ender2070 | yes | Dec 22 06:55 |
Ender2070 | does it achieve the same goal? | Dec 22 06:55 |
oiaohm | Ender2070: Not really this is talking about applicaitons automatically using more cores if they are there. | Dec 22 06:56 |
oiaohm | Ie the final built program. | Dec 22 06:56 |
Ender2070 | ohhhhhh | Dec 22 06:56 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm | Dec 22 06:56 |
Ender2070 | not just during compilation | Dec 22 06:56 |
DaemonFC | Wine now supports the DRM in Left4Dead 2 | Dec 22 06:56 |
Ender2070 | badass | Dec 22 06:56 |
oiaohm | compliation most likely still be slow Ender2070 | Dec 22 06:57 |
ziggyfish_ | kind of, but at the code level (in other words, if you have a loop than GCC will run each loop in seperate threads) | Dec 22 06:57 |
Ender2070 | interesting development | Dec 22 06:57 |
Ender2070 | i haven't really followed gcc | Dec 22 06:57 |
oiaohm | Remember most optimisations in gcc don't work correctly for most programs. | Dec 22 06:58 |
ziggyfish_ | but the problem is, it's very limited ATM | Dec 22 06:58 |
oiaohm | Due to the fact of the program is linked objects | Dec 22 06:58 |
oiaohm | And the linker does not optimise. | Dec 22 06:58 |
oiaohm | Link time optimiser changes lot of things in ways most of us cannot dream. | Dec 22 06:58 |
ziggyfish_ | it only works if each loop can run in any order | Dec 22 06:59 |
oiaohm | Gcc can only work that out ziggyfish_ if it can see all the code contained in loop. | Dec 22 06:59 |
Ender2070 | it should improve over the long term correct? | Dec 22 06:59 |
ziggyfish_ | yeah | Dec 22 06:59 |
oiaohm | Guess where the lack of link time opt was killing that ziggyfish_ | Dec 22 06:59 |
Ender2070 | as more developers make use of it | Dec 22 06:59 |
oiaohm | Then we have the perf and timetool in 2.6.33 | Dec 22 07:00 |
Ender2070 | Qt 4.6 boosted scripting speed by 30% for old code, and boasts more when making use of all the new features | Dec 22 07:00 |
oiaohm | timetool allows locating performance issues. | Dec 22 07:00 |
Ender2070 | KDE 4.4 + Qt 4.6 is going to be amazing | Dec 22 07:00 |
oiaohm | Most likely not perfect Ender2070 | Dec 22 07:01 |
oiaohm | Timetool on that might be able to find more. | Dec 22 07:01 |
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Ender2070 | yes | Dec 22 07:01 |
Ender2070 | just as powertop helped reduce power usage | Dec 22 07:01 |
oiaohm | Everything is going forwards. | Dec 22 07:02 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/21/people-digital-profiles-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-76978 | Dec 22 07:02 |
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ziggyfish_ | oiaohm: Timetool = URL???? | Dec 22 07:03 |
oiaohm | Opp name wrong. | Dec 22 07:04 |
oiaohm | Timechart | Dec 22 07:04 |
oiaohm | http://blog.fenrus.org/?p=5 | Dec 22 07:04 |
DaemonFC | Wine 1.1.35 looks like it has some good fixes | Dec 22 07:04 |
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oiaohm | Its in the tools directory of 2.6.33 kernel ziggyfish_ | Dec 22 07:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Detective Superintendent Swindle, an unfortunate name for someone in that position http://tinyurl.com/yk5n7sm | Dec 22 07:04 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Priest thinks man made laws don't apply to them - Not exactly news is it? http://tinyurl.com/ydlh2bh | Dec 22 07:05 | |
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ziggyfish_ | oiaohm: looks interesting | Dec 22 07:05 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/21/people-digital-profiles-mail/comment-page-1/#comment-76978 | Dec 22 07:06 |
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ziggyfish_ | can someone tell me if the fedora website is down? | Dec 22 07:10 |
ziggyfish_ | I can't seem to get to it | Dec 22 07:10 |
Ender2070 | http://fedoraproject.org/ | Dec 22 07:10 |
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Ender2070 | works for me | Dec 22 07:10 |
Ender2070 | I got rawhide in kvm right now | Dec 22 07:11 |
Ender2070 | KDE 4.4 beta 2 is sweet (4.3.85) | Dec 22 07:11 |
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Ender2070 | <Trompete> You should configure GCC's (or whatever) warning mode to be compatible with Visual Studio 2008 express. | Dec 22 07:24 |
Diablo-D3 | AAHAAHAHHAHAHAH | Dec 22 07:25 |
Ender2070 | <ICeDX> You mean force c++95 compliance? | Dec 22 07:25 |
ziggyfish_ | shouldn't it be the otherway around | Dec 22 07:25 |
Ender2070 | <ICeDX> Sun's compiler is just as old, I can use it instead perhaps. | Dec 22 07:25 |
Ender2070 | LOL | Dec 22 07:26 |
ziggyfish_ | VS 2008 should be configured to be compatible with GCC | Dec 22 07:26 |
Ender2070 | correct | Dec 22 07:26 |
Ender2070 | windows devs, lol | Dec 22 07:26 |
Ender2070 | <Tompete> In my experience, it only annoys you to have those warnings turned on. Whoop dee doo. It caught that I did another anonymous cast or that I put an unsigned long in a unsigned short. | Dec 22 07:28 |
Ender2070 | buffer overflow? | Dec 22 07:29 |
ziggyfish_ | Ender2070: isn't that what lint is for? | Dec 22 07:29 |
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Ender2070 | they didn't know what valgrind did | Dec 22 07:29 |
Ender2070 | lint would just confuse them | Dec 22 07:31 |
ziggyfish_ | lol, true | Dec 22 07:31 |
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Ender2070 | "I put an unsigned long in a unsigned short. " | Dec 22 07:32 |
Ender2070 | doesnt that cause overflow? | Dec 22 07:32 |
ziggyfish_ | yes, but not a buffer overflow | Dec 22 07:32 |
ziggyfish_ | it's called an integer overflow | Dec 22 07:33 |
Ender2070 | scary | Dec 22 07:33 |
Ender2070 | no wonder the game has such odd bugs | Dec 22 07:33 |
Ender2070 | i fixed like 50 of them just to get past gcc errors | Dec 22 07:33 |
Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: speaking of which | Dec 22 07:33 |
Diablo-D3 | some dude is trying to port valgrind to windows | Dec 22 07:34 |
Ender2070 | i know | Dec 22 07:34 |
ziggyfish_ | which can some times cause a buffer overflow | Dec 22 07:34 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Using !Xfce 4 on my !Debian using #Powerbook, rejecting #Gnome + #Mono http://ur1.ca/icve | Dec 22 07:34 | |
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Ender2070 | the game already requires something along the lines of a button that resyncs, cause there is a lot of data loss | Dec 22 07:34 |
ziggyfish_ | http://valgrind.org/downloads/current.html | Dec 22 07:35 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, Canonical is closing the US store | Dec 22 07:35 |
ziggyfish_ | valgrind 3.5.0 (tar.bz2) [5482Kb] - 19 Aug 2009. | Dec 22 07:35 |
ziggyfish_ | For {x86,amd64,ppc32,ppc64}-linux and x86-Darwin (Mac OS X). | Dec 22 07:35 |
ziggyfish_ | md5: f03522a4687cf76c676c9494fcc0a517 | Dec 22 07:35 |
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DaemonFC | but they say they'll just convert whatever you buy from their main store into US Dollars from now on | Dec 22 07:36 |
Ender2070 | I can't even get a headless gameserver built to run it through valgrind | Dec 22 07:36 |
Diablo-D3 | heh | Dec 22 07:37 |
Diablo-D3 | Im clearly not a programmer, Ender2070 | Dec 22 07:37 |
Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Dec 22 07:37 |
Ender2070 | stardock messed up the code badly | Dec 22 07:37 |
Ender2070 | im not either | Dec 22 07:37 |
Diablo-D3 | ask why damnit | Dec 22 07:37 |
ziggyfish_ | y | Dec 22 07:37 |
Ender2070 | i was fixing stuff I learned in chapter 1 of my c++ book, lol | Dec 22 07:37 |
Diablo-D3 | because I use valgrind a lot. | Dec 22 07:37 |
Diablo-D3 | My code, essentially, is bug free. | Dec 22 07:37 |
Diablo-D3 | well, in the useful sense of bug free anyways | Dec 22 07:38 |
Ender2070 | :) | Dec 22 07:38 |
ziggyfish_ | lol, doesn't bug = feature? | Dec 22 07:38 |
Ender2070 | I think I might run this game throug sun's compiler | Dec 22 07:38 |
Diablo-D3 | ziggyfish_: no no | Dec 22 07:39 |
Diablo-D3 | if it does it once | Dec 22 07:39 |
Ender2070 | I got an opensolaris disk kicking around | Dec 22 07:39 |
Diablo-D3 | its a bug | Dec 22 07:39 |
Diablo-D3 | if it does it twice its a feature | Dec 22 07:39 |
ziggyfish_ | lol | Dec 22 07:39 |
Diablo-D3 | if it does it more than twice is a design philosophy | Dec 22 07:39 |
Diablo-D3 | I have coined a new insult | Dec 22 07:42 |
Diablo-D3 | Homognome. | Dec 22 07:42 |
Ender2070 | ? | Dec 22 07:44 |
Diablo-D3 | Homo Gnome | Dec 22 07:46 |
Diablo-D3 | Homognome. | Dec 22 07:46 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Dec 22 07:48 |
Ender2070 | lol | Dec 22 07:48 |
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*ziggyfish_ installing fedora in VM | Dec 22 08:24 | |
oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/363575/ Nice feature in up comming 2.6.33 kernel | Dec 22 08:33 |
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ziggyfish_ | nice | Dec 22 08:34 |
Ender2070 | you noticed kvm is supported by fedora? | Dec 22 08:35 |
Ender2070 | im used to having to install virtualbox drivers but kvm seems faster | Dec 22 08:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Gay unicorn. Just, gay unicorn. http://i.imgur.com/doyvE.jpg HT @picturecool | Dec 22 08:35 | |
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ziggyfish_ | Ender2070: I've never used KVM. | Dec 22 08:37 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I've finally figured out MS's view of the law in a nutshell "laws are to be used against others, sometimes at our instigation" :-X | Dec 22 08:52 | |
DaemonFC | I feel like drinking some sizzurp and passing out for the day | Dec 22 09:12 |
ziggyfish_ | brb | Dec 22 09:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Noticing two attempted downloads of S02E20 of @uupc . Some people are keen :) | Dec 22 09:18 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it would be typical MS to change the background colour of the BSOD to say green, then say they've fixed it, rather than actually fixing it. | Dec 22 09:31 | |
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ziggyfish_ | back | Dec 22 09:37 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/codingfreak/statuses/6917145139 | Dec 22 09:40 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I wonder if the ACTA site has a "nothing to see here, move along" message with an unauthorised image of a Monopoly jailer. | Dec 22 09:48 | |
DaemonFC | I've seen Vista crash several times | Dec 22 09:48 |
DaemonFC | what really bothered me about it was how sluggish it was compared with XP | Dec 22 09:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it sends the message that A:it's all a game. B:you're going to jail & C:the rich always win. | Dec 22 09:49 | |
DaemonFC | I've actually managed to get Ubuntu to drop me to the terminal while trying to install video drivers on more than one occasion | Dec 22 09:49 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Did you see those declassified Russian documents? | Dec 22 09:51 |
DaemonFC | They revealed that the UK and France were trying to stop German reuinification | Dec 22 09:52 |
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ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC:, you can press <ctrl><alt>F1-F6 to get you to a terminal | Dec 22 09:57 |
ziggyfish_ | and to switch back it's <alt>F7 | Dec 22 09:57 |
DaemonFC | well, not on Fedora | Dec 22 09:58 |
DaemonFC | Fedora has X using tty1 | Dec 22 09:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] oh, xmarks lets you save to your own server instead of theirs | Dec 22 09:58 | |
ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC: I'm installing Fedora now, will find out the KDE equivalent | Dec 22 09:59 |
DaemonFC | ziggyfish_, use Alt+F1 on Fedora | Dec 22 10:00 |
DaemonFC | to get back | Dec 22 10:00 |
Diablo-D3 | .... | Dec 22 10:02 |
Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: wtf dude | Dec 22 10:02 |
Diablo-D3 | EVERYONE PLEASE | Dec 22 10:02 |
Diablo-D3 | STOP TRYING TO BE LIKE ME | Dec 22 10:02 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: please stop trying to be like the way you are now | Dec 22 10:03 |
ThistleWeb | Diablo-D3: what are you blabbering about? | Dec 22 10:03 |
ziggyfish_ | lol | Dec 22 10:03 |
*Diablo-D3 was the first person here to use foxmarks damnit | Dec 22 10:03 | |
ThistleWeb | yeah, I'm sure it was built with one client in mind | Dec 22 10:03 |
ThistleWeb | not to be used by anyone else | Dec 22 10:03 |
ThistleWeb | feel free to point me to the eula part with those conditions | Dec 22 10:04 |
ThistleWeb | or the fact that the download link was mysteriously working to let me install it | Dec 22 10:04 |
Diablo-D3 | its below the line that says "If you're the first to read this, email us for your $500 prize" | Dec 22 10:04 |
Diablo-D3 | afaik no one has collected it | Dec 22 10:04 |
ThistleWeb | it should have been disabled after you installed yours after all | Dec 22 10:04 |
tessier | http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/10-things-Microsoft-did-wrong-in-2009/1261424173 | Dec 22 10:04 |
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ThistleWeb | then congrats on your $500 | Dec 22 10:05 |
Diablo-D3 | tessier: only ten? | Dec 22 10:05 |
tessier | The top 10 | Dec 22 10:05 |
Diablo-D3 | it must have taken them a lot of time just to chose ten | Dec 22 10:05 |
tessier | He says he easily could have listed 20 | Dec 22 10:05 |
tessier | Yep | Dec 22 10:05 |
Diablo-D3 | 20? shit dude | Dec 22 10:05 |
ThistleWeb | sheesh, I got an Apple logo flashing in front of my eyes for a min there, with the rabid elitism rant | Dec 22 10:05 |
Diablo-D3 | at leats 1000 | Dec 22 10:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #XServer 1.8 is Coming, Other #Graphics Stack Additions to #Linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzgyNw | Dec 22 10:06 | |
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ThistleWeb | I'm guessing you'll be switching to Haiku now that peeps are using Linux, for fear that they all copied you | Dec 22 10:07 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.4 Reaches Beta 2 and Qt Starts Targeting the Web http://ur1.ca/id0l http://ur1.ca/id0m | Dec 22 10:08 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: KDE - Software Compilation 4.4 Beta 2 Release Announcement .::. Size~: 17.35 KB | Dec 22 10:08 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Qt applications in your browser - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.34 KB | Dec 22 10:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PartedMagic 4.7 is Released, with #Chrome Rather Than #Firefox http://ur1.ca/id0p | Dec 22 10:09 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Parted Magic 4.7 with Google Chrome - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.63 KB | Dec 22 10:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zimbabwe Uses #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux in Large Lab of 87 Computer Aid Computers http://ur1.ca/id0r #humanityforothers | Dec 22 10:10 | |
DaemonFC | are there KDE 4.4 beta packages in a Kubuntu PPA? | Dec 22 10:10 |
*DaemonFC looks | Dec 22 10:11 | |
DaemonFC | http://www.kubuntu.org/news | Dec 22 10:11 |
phIRCe-local | Title: News | Kubuntu .::. Size~: 19.47 KB | Dec 22 10:11 |
DaemonFC | they have Beta 1 packages | Dec 22 10:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MontaVista Still Releases #FreeSoftware Apart from #Linux http://ur1.ca/id0v | Dec 22 10:12 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: MontaVista integrates multi-core analysis plugin - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 62.85 KB | Dec 22 10:12 |
ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC: interesting | Dec 22 10:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two New Reviews of #Jolicloud on Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/id0w http://ur1.ca/id0x | Dec 22 10:14 | |
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DaemonFC | ziggyfish_, What keeps me on GNOME is that they finally have MSN voice and video chat support | Dec 22 10:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Improves Its #GNU #Linux-powered Sub-notebooks with #Pineview http://ur1.ca/id0z | Dec 22 10:15 | |
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DaemonFC | I know I could use Empathy on KDE, but what stops me is the thought I'll end up with all kinds of dependencies | Dec 22 10:16 |
ziggyfish_ | yes, that's the reason I'm still on GNOME, I use a lot of GTK apps | Dec 22 10:16 |
DaemonFC | KDE no doubt looks and feels cooler, but pretty much all the apps I use integrate with GNOME better | Dec 22 10:17 |
ziggyfish_ | Evolution is the only one to support MAPI to an extent | Dec 22 10:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Brings #GNU #Linux to #Tunisia , Erwin Claims #FOSS at #SAP http://ur1.ca/id11 http://ur1.ca/id12 | Dec 22 10:17 | |
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DaemonFC | ziggyfish_, Thunderbird does to some extent I believe | Dec 22 10:18 |
Diablo-D3 | http://i.imgur.com/pG3q7.jpg | Dec 22 10:19 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Examples of Popular #FreeSoftware Projects That Receive Little Attention http://ur1.ca/id17 | Dec 22 10:19 | |
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ziggyfish_ | no, Exchange does have the ability to use smtp. which is what thunderbird supports | Dec 22 10:20 |
ziggyfish_ | but you can not use the MAPI protocol in thunderbird | Dec 22 10:20 |
ziggyfish_ | thunderbird also supports IMAP | Dec 22 10:21 |
DaemonFC | I hate Evolution, it's like driving a tank when all you want is to use your email | Dec 22 10:21 |
DaemonFC | :P | Dec 22 10:21 |
DaemonFC | I know it's meant for users that need a lot more features than I need though | Dec 22 10:22 |
ziggyfish_ | yes I agree, however, the place I work at uses an Exchange server | Dec 22 10:22 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claws_Mail | Dec 22 10:23 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Claws Mail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 57.29 KB | Dec 22 10:23 |
DaemonFC | I use Claws | Dec 22 10:23 |
ziggyfish_ | nice | Dec 22 10:24 |
MinceR | at least that tank does search folders with less bugs than others | Dec 22 10:25 |
MinceR | (it's still horribly buggy though) | Dec 22 10:25 |
*ziggyfish_ totally agrees | Dec 22 10:25 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #openQRM is Alive and Well http://virtualization.com/guest-posts/2009/12/15/openqrm-lives-on/ | Dec 22 10:26 | |
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ziggyfish_ | the one feature I would love to see in evolution is folder retention (the ability for evolution to delete messages older than a specified age) | Dec 22 10:28 |
ziggyfish_ | thunderbird has it | Dec 22 10:28 |
*MinceR doesn't delete messages :) | Dec 22 10:28 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] German Stock Exchange Moves to Adopt More #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/id1d | Dec 22 10:28 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Christmas-Themed #GNU #Linux Advocacy http://ur1.ca/id1f http://ur1.ca/id1g | Dec 22 10:29 | |
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ziggyfish_ | MinceR: I use it for things like mailing lists | Dec 22 10:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla 's Browser Becomes Most Popular http://ur1.ca/id1h http://ur1.ca/icfa | Dec 22 10:30 | |
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ziggyfish_ | when I am only going to read the message maybe once and it is only relevent for like on month | Dec 22 10:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Upcoming Free/Libre #CMS Software Listed, #BitNami Grows http://ur1.ca/id1l http://ur1.ca/id1n | Dec 22 10:31 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF / #GNU Gets Mainstream Press Coverage http://thephoenix.com/Portland/News/94550-Tilting-at-Windows/?page=1#TOPCONTENT seems balanced | Dec 22 10:32 | |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Those stats are wrong though | Dec 22 10:33 |
DaemonFC | it counts IE 6, 7, and 8 as different browsers | Dec 22 10:33 |
DaemonFC | but pools all versions of Firefox as the same browser | Dec 22 10:34 |
ziggyfish_ | schestowitz I like that image at the top of that last link | Dec 22 10:34 |
MinceR | they aren't wrong as long as you keep in mind what they're about | Dec 22 10:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Versions of #OpenNebula and #Collectd are Released http://ur1.ca/id1r http://ur1.ca/id1s | Dec 22 10:34 | |
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MinceR | and read them correctly | Dec 22 10:34 |
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MinceR | major browser versions matter to web developers, for example | Dec 22 10:35 |
DaemonFC | if you count Firefox 1, 2, and 3 as different browsers, IE 6 is the most used browser in the world | Dec 22 10:35 |
MinceR | apparently you haven't bothered to read the stats, then | Dec 22 10:35 |
DaemonFC | depends on where your stats are from | Dec 22 10:35 |
*ziggyfish_ have spent hours trying to get sites to work with IE 6 | Dec 22 10:35 | |
MinceR | oh, you get yours from Net Applications, don't you? | Dec 22 10:36 |
DaemonFC | w3schools or whatever it was always grossly exagerates Firefox | Dec 22 10:36 |
MinceR | except it wasn't w3schools | Dec 22 10:36 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, All stat companies are usually within a few points of one another | Dec 22 10:36 |
DaemonFC | w3schools is the only outlier | Dec 22 10:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open #Standards Mandatory in Hungary, #Google Adds New Ones http://ur1.ca/id26 http://ur1.ca/id27 | Dec 22 10:37 | |
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MinceR | DaemonFC: http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-weekly-200827-200951 | Dec 22 10:38 |
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MinceR | that isn't w3schools | Dec 22 10:38 |
ziggyfish_ | I've never noticed, but fedora looks good from an art point of view | Dec 22 10:38 |
MinceR | and it doesn't show IE 6 as the "browser" (i'm applying the term loosely here) version with the highest market share | Dec 22 10:38 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wikileaks Need Support to Defend Civil Rights http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2009/12/21/wikileaks-is-in-trouble/ | Dec 22 10:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australia Attacks Its Citizens with @Wikileaks -leaked #Filters http://ur1.ca/id29 http://ur1.ca/id2a #freespeech | Dec 22 10:38 | |
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DaemonFC | http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-weekly-200827-200951 | Dec 22 10:39 |
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DaemonFC | there's your real stats | Dec 22 10:39 |
DaemonFC | it also appears to overestimate Firefox | Dec 22 10:40 |
MinceR | i'll repeat it for your own sake, as you seem to have difficulties at reading comprehension | Dec 22 10:40 |
MinceR | 112821 < MinceR> they aren't wrong as long as you keep in mind what they're about | Dec 22 10:40 |
MinceR | everybody "overestimates" firefox in comparison to net applications | Dec 22 10:41 |
MinceR | i wonder why | Dec 22 10:41 |
ziggyfish_ | it would be good to see the numbers rather than the percentages, also the source(s) of data | Dec 22 10:43 |
DaemonFC | http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-weekly-200827-200951 | Dec 22 10:44 |
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DaemonFC | Linux falls into the "other" pile? | Dec 22 10:44 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists Do Not Know How to Evolve http://techdirt.com/articles/20091114/1824226931.shtml | Dec 22 10:44 | |
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Ender2070 | [05:29] * ziggyfish_ have spent hours trying to get sites to work with IE 6 | Dec 22 10:44 |
Ender2070 | i spent minutes putting netscape buttons up | Dec 22 10:45 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 22 10:45 |
DaemonFC | just tell people using IE 6 to go away | Dec 22 10:45 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: if you switch to Bar mode, you can see that the "\"other\" pile" is bigger than vista7 | Dec 22 10:46 |
MinceR | but never mind :> | Dec 22 10:46 |
MinceR | ask them why they categorize OSes that way | Dec 22 10:46 |
ziggyfish_ | I would to, unfortunately, it was a site for CBA | Dec 22 10:46 |
Ender2070 | people using IE 6 need to retire from computers | Dec 22 10:46 |
MinceR | (it's also bigger than win2k) | Dec 22 10:46 |
MinceR | CBA? | Dec 22 10:46 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Olympic Games Still an Attack on #FreeSpeech and Expression http://techdirt.com/articles/20091220/2321187440.shtml #olympicfail | Dec 22 10:46 | |
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ziggyfish_ | commonwealth bank of australia | Dec 22 10:46 |
MinceR | people using winblows need to learn how to use computers | Dec 22 10:47 |
MinceR | also, people using ie6 for online banking are stupid and don't deserve to do online banking | Dec 22 10:47 |
DaemonFC | Linux is 0.7% | Dec 22 10:47 |
Ender2070 | people doing that might as well be giving you their pin | Dec 22 10:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #VillagePeople Claim to 'Own' Jamie Oliver Advert http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/dec/18/village-people-jamie-oliver-trailer lame! | Dec 22 10:47 | |
DaemonFC | according to them | Dec 22 10:47 |
ziggyfish_ | true | Dec 22 10:47 |
Ender2070 | windows cause global warming | Dec 22 10:48 |
ziggyfish_ | DaemonFC: I prefer this stat http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/03/net-applications-flip-flop/ | Dec 22 10:49 |
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ziggyfish_ | According to statistics from the Boycott Novell domain, it is approximately 40%. Honest | Dec 22 10:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UK to Use #IntellectualMonopolies to Further Retard Research and Development http://ur1.ca/id2o #patents | Dec 22 10:49 | |
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MinceR | 114131 < DaemonFC> Linux is 0.7% | Dec 22 10:50 |
MinceR | [[citation needed]] | Dec 22 10:50 |
Ender2070 | look at this | Dec 22 10:50 |
Ender2070 | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/12/20/1433257/The-Environmental-Impact-of-PHP-Compared-To-C-On-Facebook | Dec 22 10:50 |
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Ender2070 | this is just the different from php to c++ | Dec 22 10:50 |
Ender2070 | imagine the environmental impact of windows to linux | Dec 22 10:50 |
DaemonFC | http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-weekly-200950-200951 | Dec 22 10:51 |
ziggyfish_ | Evolution is to gnome, ??? is to KDE? | Dec 22 10:51 |
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Ender2070 | vista uses a thousand megs of ram just to boot up | Dec 22 10:51 |
MinceR | ziggyfish_: KMail | Dec 22 10:51 |
MinceR | or perhaps officially it's Kontact | Dec 22 10:52 |
MinceR | (it's a better match to what Evolution does anyway) | Dec 22 10:52 |
ziggyfish_ | I'll give KMail a go | Dec 22 10:53 |
Ender2070 | KMail is awesome | Dec 22 10:53 |
Ender2070 | and its not programmed by reptilians! | Dec 22 10:53 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: I didn't know about http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/archive/2006/02/24/the_term_r_kelly_doesnt_hold_up_too_well_in_court.php | Dec 22 10:53 |
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MinceR | i don't like kmail that much due to the way it handles non-writable shared folders and search folders | Dec 22 10:54 |
MinceR | i used to use it | Dec 22 10:54 |
Ender2070 | lol r kelly | Dec 22 10:55 |
Ender2070 | mincer, do you have cold blood? | Dec 22 10:55 |
Ender2070 | just wondering | Dec 22 10:56 |
Ender2070 | ... | Dec 22 10:56 |
MinceR | what's that? | Dec 22 10:56 |
MinceR | if you mean lack of internal regulation of body temperature, then no, i don't have it | Dec 22 10:57 |
Ender2070 | just checking | Dec 22 10:57 |
MinceR | why? | Dec 22 10:57 |
Ender2070 | making sure, you're not reptilian | Dec 22 10:57 |
MinceR | what are you trying to say anyway? | Dec 22 10:58 |
Ender2070 | are you a reptilian alien? | Dec 22 10:58 |
MinceR | what gives you that idea? | Dec 22 10:58 |
Ender2070 | David Icke told me | Dec 22 10:59 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 22 10:59 |
MinceR | who's David Icke? | Dec 22 10:59 |
schestowitz | Some nutter who's more extreme than Jones | Dec 22 10:59 |
Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke | Dec 22 10:59 |
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schestowitz | From Isle of Man, IIRC | Dec 22 10:59 |
Ender2070 | oo, same as Mark Shuttleworth | Dec 22 10:59 |
schestowitz | MinceR: are you in Skulls and Blobs? | Dec 22 10:59 |
Ender2070 | cooincidence? | Dec 22 11:00 |
MinceR | schestowitz: nope | Dec 22 11:00 |
MinceR | do i look like i'm ruling the world? :> | Dec 22 11:00 |
schestowitz | Ah, OK | Dec 22 11:00 |
schestowitz | I worried | Dec 22 11:00 |
schestowitz | cause Bill and Steve are in it. They sleep in coffins made of a large VIsta 7 box :-) | Dec 22 11:00 |
MinceR | what's Skulls and Blobs? | Dec 22 11:01 |
schestowitz | Joke | Dec 22 11:01 |
schestowitz | Making fun of the whole Icke thing | Dec 22 11:01 |
MinceR | i don't get your jokes | Dec 22 11:01 |
schestowitz | Although Bush did publicly admit being a member of Skull and Bones | Dec 22 11:01 |
Ender2070 | He identifies the Brotherhood as originating from reptilians from the constellation Draco, who walk on two legs and appear human, and who live in tunnels and caverns inside the earth. | Dec 22 11:01 |
ziggyfish_ | http://www.ulteo.com/home/en/news/2009/11/25 - Ulteo introduces open source virtual desktop OVD 2.0. This new release delivers both Linux and/or Windows applications as complete virtual desktops – and also via web portal. | Dec 22 11:01 |
schestowitz | It's captured in video :-) | Dec 22 11:01 |
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schestowitz | Ender2070: LOL | Dec 22 11:01 |
Ender2070 | They are the same race of gods known as the Anunnaki in the Babylonian creation myth, Enûma Eliš. | Dec 22 11:02 |
Ender2070 | Icke argues that the Anunnaki came specifically for "monoatomic gold," a mineral he says can increase the carrying capacity of the nervous system ten thousand fold. After ingesting it, the Anunnaki are able to process vast amounts of information, speed up trans-dimensional travel, and shapeshift from reptilian to human form. They use human fear, guilt, and aggression as energy in a similar way, part of the reason they | Dec 22 11:02 |
Ender2070 | organize human conflict.[43] The more negative emotion we emit, the more the reptilians absorb | Dec 22 11:02 |
Ender2070 | "shapeshift from reptilian to human form" omgz | Dec 22 11:03 |
MinceR | i think the term he's looking for is "the spice Melange" | Dec 22 11:03 |
MinceR | hm, maybe i'm confusing it with Sapho juice | Dec 22 11:03 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, it's all true !! | Dec 22 11:04 |
schestowitz | We're made in Mars | Dec 22 11:04 |
schestowitz | And they still come and visit sometimes... just to do sexual experiments on us and return us home by 9 :-) | Dec 22 11:05 |
Ender2070 | The reptilians not only come from another planet, but are also from another dimension, the lower level of the fourth dimension, the one nearest the physical world. | Dec 22 11:05 |
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Ender2070 | They also set the price of gold every tuesday. | Dec 22 11:07 |
Ender2070 | That's why MS does patches, so everyone is distracted. | Dec 22 11:07 |
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MinceR | lol | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: just 4th dimensions? Pffffffftttt. | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | There are 11... according to String Theory | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | SOme say 10 | Dec 22 11:08 |
schestowitz | THey are still trying to agree ;) | Dec 22 11:09 |
schestowitz | Not that they can point at the 6th, or 7th, or 8th... | Dec 22 11:09 |
Ender2070 | I would tend to go with the many worlds theory. | Dec 22 11:09 |
schestowitz | We have ten fingers, so there must be 10 dimensions | Dec 22 11:09 |
MinceR | i've only heard of 10 | Dec 22 11:09 |
schestowitz | And the decimal system is made as a rule of God, just like having one meter ic system makes sense. | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | BTW | Dec 22 11:10 |
Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation | Dec 22 11:10 |
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schestowitz | We could use speed or light as a better universal emasure | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | Cause it never changed | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | Like the 24 hours in a day | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | WHich makes up all the meausres of time | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | Where is meter derivs from? | Dec 22 11:10 |
schestowitz | We could use a distance measure that takes into account unchangd units like speed of light | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | Earth's revolusion if planet-dependent, so no good there.... | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | As a lost civilisation, the rule would be hard to restore | Dec 22 11:11 |
schestowitz | MinceR: see the BBC documenatry on strong theory. Some dude from Cambridge says 11 and they are still "working on it" (same as in previous decades) | Dec 22 11:12 |
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Ender2070 | hmmmm | Dec 22 11:19 |
Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_immortality#The_quantum_suicide_thought_experiment | Dec 22 11:19 |
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Ender2070 | wrap your head around that | Dec 22 11:19 |
schestowitz | http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/20/spitzer-partnoy-black-call-for-aig-open-source-investigation-and-goldman-implications/ | Dec 22 11:23 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @izem4mazigh: ♺ @marcinobel: #Mono has been removed from #Fedora !Linux distribution http://bit.ly/8BIsnb | Dec 22 11:34 | |
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schestowitz | Hmmmmm... YouTube's changs are very annoying | Dec 22 11:38 |
schestowitz | It's still impossible to "sort by X" | Dec 22 11:38 |
schestowitz | They removed these options from SERPs | Dec 22 11:38 |
schestowitz | Unless it's just a GUI change with the option folded into s/t else | Dec 22 11:38 |
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Diablo-D3 | um | Dec 22 11:41 |
Diablo-D3 | I can sort by x in youtube | Dec 22 11:41 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: click "search options" | Dec 22 11:41 |
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ThistleWeb | stop being like me, I search in youtube too | Dec 22 11:45 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I see..... it's no longer a dropdown box | Dec 22 11:46 |
schestowitz | Thanks | Dec 22 11:46 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: it follows the unified google look in a way | Dec 22 11:46 |
Diablo-D3 | like, theres no google search variants anymore | Dec 22 11:47 |
Diablo-D3 | its all hidden behind the search options slide in panel | Dec 22 11:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.randomreviews.placeboism.com/index.php/en/aticles/14-linux-documentation-bug-1 | Dec 22 11:50 |
schestowitz | I think that Jack Wallen started this whole meme | Dec 22 11:50 |
ziggyfish_ | time to go to bed, c ya all | Dec 22 11:53 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.4 Feature Freeze: Christmas Special http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/22/feature-freeze-kde4/ short video | Dec 22 11:57 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] just noticed VLC's status icon has a lil Christmas hat on :-D | Dec 22 12:01 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Update: Fedora still hates open source, and has only stopped shipping Moonlight instead of all of Mono | Dec 22 12:09 | |
schestowitz | http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/uncategorized/replacing-google.html "As default search engine, I currently switched to Ask.com. In some corner cases, it is lacking a bit compared to Google, but the majority of searches yield good results, so it is perfectly fine as default search engine for me. Be sure to enable AskEraser for a privacy level much better than what you get with Google." | Dec 22 12:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some people are worried about #Google #privacy ( #Mandriva dev): http://ur1.ca/id5z Why not #scroogle ? | Dec 22 12:13 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The Best Thing We Have Ever Posted: Reader Tries To Cancel AOL - The Consumerist http://tinyurl.com/yfyv5z3 | Dec 22 12:32 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Makes a Perfect Gift That Proprietary Products That Cannot Match http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2357356,00.asp | Dec 22 14:01 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Accepts Hardware About 4 Times Slower/Smaller Than #Windows http://ur1.ca/iddu | Dec 22 14:03 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Stars in Films Use #GNU #Linux http://mdeslaur.blogspot.com/2009/12/ubuntu-movie-sighting.html | Dec 22 14:06 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top Technologies Worth Tracking in 2010 http://www.daniweb.com/news/story247912.html http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/10902.html | Dec 22 14:07 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux a Key Operating System in the Past Decade http://ur1.ca/ide6 | Dec 22 14:08 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #qBittorrent and Other #GNU #Linux Applications http://ur1.ca/ideb http://ur1.ca/idec http://ur1.ca/ided | Dec 22 14:09 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Derivative #Pentoo 2009.0 is Out http://pentestit.com/2009/12/21/pentoo-20090-final-ready-action/ | Dec 22 14:10 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Dell's #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks Still Beats #Vista7 http://ur1.ca/idek MSFT cripples self | Dec 22 14:11 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #LinuxMint 8 (Helena) http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2357344,00.asp | Dec 22 14:15 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org 3.2.0 Very Close to Final Release http://ur1.ca/ides http://ur1.ca/idet | Dec 22 14:17 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #SheevaPlug with #Debian #GNU #Linux Installed http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091221#feature | Dec 22 14:18 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Freedom #CMS #Drupal Rules in #Belgium Where it Was Born http://buytaert.net/king-of-belgium-goes-drupal | Dec 22 14:19 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] "Open Source" Yields 203,000,000 Results in #Google http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/wanted-more-open-source-research | Dec 22 14:21 | |
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oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzgzMg New block of docs | Dec 22 14:22 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Monster List" of Free/Open Source Software http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3854601/Open-Source-Downloads-the-Monster | Dec 22 14:22 | |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: did you buy AMD? | Dec 22 14:45 |
oiaohm | My core processor is AMD my video card is still Nvidia. But its getting old. | Dec 22 14:47 |
oiaohm | I really should update this machine its getting a little slugish for 3d work these days. | Dec 22 14:48 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/epponuman/statuses/6929104069 "WELL, WELL, WELL - Copenhagen police - just fucking kill the BASTARDS - http://bit.ly/8Zpfoj - I would boycott Denmark for life" | Dec 22 14:50 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Police acting like bullies in Copenhagen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6gCyklaYZ4 Pass on. | Dec 22 14:52 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More videos of Danish policemen doing their work for Big Oil corporations by battering women http://ur1.ca/idge | Dec 22 14:58 | |
amarsh04 | back in a few, trying new grub release | Dec 22 15:17 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/21/microsoft_in_the_noughties/ | Dec 22 15:37 |
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schestowitz | > > Microsoft paid the price for its confidence. When the internet changed the world, it became clear that the software Microsoft had refined on the desktop and server was not suited to the new world of the online openness .. | Dec 22 15:38 |
schestowitz | You are incorrect MS operating systems were fully designed for the Internet, | Dec 22 15:38 |
schestowitz | >> at least as far back as Windows 85. They they fail miserably is down to the defects in the product. Namely embedding the browser and email client so deeply into the core OS. ActiveX being the chief culprit. | Dec 22 15:38 |
schestowitz | > Here are posts from 1994/5, where the chief software architect discusses 'Internet Strategy' .. | Dec 22 15:38 |
schestowitz | http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/122106/PLEX0_4524.pdf | Dec 22 15:38 |
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schestowitz | http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/122106/PLEX0_2281.pdf | Dec 22 15:38 |
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schestowitz | > from 1997, Preserving the desktop Paradise http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/122106/PLEX0_2700.pdf | Dec 22 15:38 |
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schestowitz | "Subject: elREG on the 'new world of online openness': "I guess they don't like the comment... notice the huge advert for MS from Mark Jonson... Get over there and sort them out...!!!! Not the first time, well, don't accuse them of censorship, you re-phrase my comment and post it..." | Dec 22 15:40 |
schestowitz | Gavin Calrke fluff piece | Dec 22 15:40 |
schestowitz | Microsoft adverts, revisionism | Dec 22 15:40 |
schestowitz | Marbux is still on with his fight against ODF....... "Subject: ODF 1.2 just got derailed" | Dec 22 15:43 |
schestowitz | "<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/200912/msg00264.html>. OASIS has overruled IBM. ODF 1.1 apparently goes to ISO/IEC first and the ODF TC hasn't even started work on ODF 1.1 to meet the JTC 1 transposition requirements. Basically, that requires a rewrite of the entire specification." | Dec 22 15:44 |
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schestowitz | "Note the link to the revised OASIS Liaison Policy as the basis for Clark's action. If you compare that page with the same page in the Wayback Machine, you'll see a rather large movement of authority from the membership to OASIS staff, hemmed in with new mandatory criteria for OASIS standards to be sent off for international standardization." | Dec 22 15:44 |
schestowitz | "See section 3(d). ("The President shall not approve any request that does not meet the criteria listed in Sections 1 and 2.")" | Dec 22 15:44 |
schestowitz | "IMHO, a well placed and well deserved bitch slap for Rob Weir and the vendor lock-in games he's been playing with ODF. Cf., "When they eventually implement ODF they will want to implement write support ("producer" conformance) for the current version of ODF, as well as read support ("consumer" conformance) for earlier versions of ODF."" | Dec 22 15:44 |
schestowitz | "<http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/12/relevancy-of-odf-10.html>. No write support for ODF 1.0 and 1.1? Just what was implemented in StarOffice and OOo. Forced upgrades for all. And IBM completes its transition to the OOo 3.x code base next year." | Dec 22 15:44 |
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schestowitz | "Someday, I hope you and others wake up to the fact that IBM is every bit as bad as Microsoft when it comes to open standards. Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish whilst keeping the format specs dark and mysterious enough that others can't fully interoperate. That's the story of ODF 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 and why OpenOffice.org is so evil. <http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=1260>." | Dec 22 15:44 |
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schestowitz | "It's nothing new, just what's been going on in the word processor market since the beginning." | Dec 22 15:44 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hoping to get away from work early to get to the Ubuntu UK Christmas Drinks http://bit.ly/9116vL | Dec 22 15:48 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wooot! All passwords synchronised on $work systems! Yay! This fact will of course not last. They will expire soon :( | Dec 22 15:58 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Software patents reward failure and penalise success: http://i5.be/5N | Dec 22 16:01 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “We Need #ACTA to Send Microsoft and Linus to Jail” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/22/eu-intellectual-freedom-at-risk/ | Dec 22 16:03 | |
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schestowitz | bbl | Dec 22 16:06 |
Diablo-D3 | _and_ Linus? | Dec 22 16:07 |
Diablo-D3 | I mean, he'd probably get raped in jail dude | Dec 22 16:07 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] listening to the latest h4cked.com podcast, I love these guys | Dec 22 16:29 | |
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cubezzz | send Linus to jail? | Dec 22 16:46 |
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cubezzz | yeah I don't understand that at all | Dec 22 17:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I'm waiting for a fork of tinycore by the adult movie industry called hardcore linux, with porn mode enabled by default | Dec 22 17:22 | |
Omar87 | So, Buce Perens is back in action again! I'm glad. :-) | Dec 22 17:25 |
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cubezzz | heh, another hacker attack, I love these | Dec 22 18:17 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft forbidden to sell Word, 290 million USD fine for not respecting software patents: http://i5.be/5Q | Dec 22 18:22 | |
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trmanco | http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2009/12/22/from-all-of-us-to-all-of-you | Dec 22 19:32 |
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trmanco | finally | Dec 22 19:32 |
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schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8425906.stm | Dec 22 19:47 |
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schestowitz | Firefox for mobile 'days away' from launch | Dec 22 19:47 |
schestowitz | trmanco: it's blobds | Dec 22 19:47 |
schestowitz | *blobs | Dec 22 19:47 |
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schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/12/18/Day-of-the-DMD | Dec 22 19:58 |
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schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/22/yahoo-announces-weeklong-shutdown | Dec 22 20:00 |
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Will__ | http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2009/12/appellate-court-enforces-permanent-injunction-against-microsoft-word.html | Dec 22 20:06 |
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Will__ | Now my question: Does this have any effect on OOXML? | Dec 22 20:07 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/22/indochinese_tiger/ | Dec 22 20:11 |
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schestowitz | Spicy | Dec 22 20:11 |
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sebsebseb | hi | Dec 22 20:16 |
schestowitz | Yo | Dec 22 20:16 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Yo | Dec 22 20:21 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] any idea which version of #ubuntu the current #jolicloud is based on? | Dec 22 20:42 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Readers’ Response to #Microsoft and American Library Association (ALA), Job Cremation http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/22/ala-and-msft/ | Dec 22 21:01 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Makes a White Christmas Too http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/22/white-christmas-gnome-xmas/ #video #playogg | Dec 22 21:02 | |
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starcannon | Microsoft loses Word patent appeal http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10420391-75.html | Dec 22 21:05 |
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starcannon | Europe Drops Microsoft Antitrust Case http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/17/business/global/17msft.html | Dec 22 21:12 |
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schestowitz | starcannon: yeah | Dec 22 21:27 |
schestowitz | 2 people have said this here so far | Dec 22 21:28 |
cubezzz | well, I gave a bit of a talk at the old fogies home about FOSS :) | Dec 22 21:33 |
cubezzz | almost everyone goes "I didn't know there were any alternatives" | Dec 22 21:34 |
cubezzz | everybody was using doze | Dec 22 21:34 |
cubezzz | in return they talked about the "old days" | Dec 22 21:35 |
cubezzz | short hand, and when word processors started to appear | Dec 22 21:36 |
starcannon | sorry, I just arrived, so I hadn't seen the previous posts :( | Dec 22 21:37 |
cubezzz | North America should get ballot screens too | Dec 22 21:38 |
cubezzz | like "what OS would you like installed" | Dec 22 21:39 |
cubezzz | so when you buy a new computer you can pick the OS you want | Dec 22 21:39 |
cubezzz | then if you picked Linux it would go "no extra charge" | Dec 22 21:40 |
starcannon | cubezzz yeah, that'd be awesome, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. First off, OEM's would lobby like hell to NOT allow that(operating system resellers aside). | Dec 22 21:40 |
cubezzz | if you want doze on there then it asked for your credit card | Dec 22 21:40 |
starcannon | cubezzz the overall added expense of supporting multiple operating systems from getting hardware vendors to supply drivers to customer support, it would be a business logistical nightmare. I would guess its the primary reason Dell only offers 3 or 4 Ubuntu Linux choices. | Dec 22 21:43 |
cubezzz | I wonder | Dec 22 21:43 |
cubezzz | I want the blank option then | Dec 22 21:44 |
cubezzz | "Do you want Doze or Blank?" | Dec 22 21:44 |
cubezzz | I'd do the rest | Dec 22 21:44 |
starcannon | cubezzz yeah, that would be very nice. | Dec 22 21:44 |
cubezzz | less work for the OEM | Dec 22 21:44 |
starcannon | cubezzz I build my own desktops, so "blank" is always that option; laptops and netbooks though, it's either the few linux choices we have Zareason, System76, or Dell, or buy one with Windows on it, and scrub it ourselves. There have been some interesting license refund situations though.. but they require a lot of work on the consumers part | Dec 22 21:45 |
cubezzz | I'd rather not pay for doze then try to get a refund afterwards | Dec 22 21:46 |
starcannon | cubezzz yep agreed, milking the refund out of the OEM takes a lot of time and patience, and for most of us is just not a viable alternative | Dec 22 21:47 |
cubezzz | there is one company that will sell laptop kits | Dec 22 21:48 |
cubezzz | then you can just assemble what you want | Dec 22 21:48 |
cubezzz | the retail situation is just horrible | Dec 22 21:50 |
starcannon | cubezzz oy vey, I work on computers, and laptops are always the kicker; its hi-tech origami. | Dec 22 21:50 |
starcannon | cubezzz I'm trying to find the article, but it seems to me back in the late 90's lobbiest were responsible for the current "it must have an OS on it" situation that exists here in the US; I may be remembering wrong though, so don't run with that, but if interested, it is worth googling, I'll drop a link here if I find anything to verify my memory | Dec 22 21:51 |
cubezzz | starcannon, all "brand systems" had an OS going back to 1977 | Dec 22 21:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Moonlight and #Mono World Does Not Work That Way Though. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/22/latest-moonlight-mono-pr/ #novell | Dec 22 21:52 | |
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cubezzz | in the beginning that was BASIC in rom | Dec 22 21:53 |
cubezzz | and a very primitive dos | Dec 22 21:53 |
cubezzz | the only exception was "white box" PCs | Dec 22 21:53 |
cubezzz | Amigas had AmigaDos | Dec 22 21:54 |
cubezzz | Atari had GEM | Dec 22 21:54 |
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cubezzz | Tandy's had some form of Tandy DOS licensed from Microsoft | Dec 22 21:54 |
cubezzz | I'm pretty sure white box PCs go back to at least 1986 | Dec 22 21:55 |
cubezzz | that's when I bought my first XT clone | Dec 22 21:55 |
starcannon | cubezzz yeah, thats not what I'm referring to, there was a short time between 95' and 99' that Dell among other large OEM's, offered computers with no OS on it, then there was some legislation or something passed that put the skids on it. It's why they always come with at least freedos or something I forget now | Dec 22 21:55 |
starcannon | TRS80 was the first computer I ever got to use, then an Apple II GS, then my folks bought me my own Vic 20 | Dec 22 21:56 |
schestowitz | starcannon: I'm writing about the Word thing | Dec 22 21:56 |
cubezzz | I'd be interested to know what legislation that was :) | Dec 22 21:56 |
cubezzz | TRS-80 Model 1? | Dec 22 21:57 |
starcannon | cubezzz nod, sorry I can't dig it up, I'm still looking | Dec 22 21:57 |
cubezzz | that is pretty old stuff | Dec 22 21:57 |
starcannon | cubezzz I'm not sure, I was 8 or 9 years old, would have been 78', 79' somewhere in there | Dec 22 21:57 |
cubezzz | well then you know the whole history of PCs pretty much | Dec 22 21:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Microsoft Word patent infringement verdict upheld http://tinyurl.com/ya9homn | Dec 22 21:57 | |
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starcannon | maybe 77' | Dec 22 21:58 |
cubezzz | starcannon, 1977 I'm pretty sure, I'll double check | Dec 22 21:58 |
cubezzz | August 3, 1977 | Dec 22 21:58 |
starcannon | nod, I didn't get to see one till 1978 though, and didn't get to play with one until 1979, my mom's boss could afford one, so I got to see it. I was allowed to do math blasters or something on it for a whole summer. | Dec 22 21:59 |
cubezzz | now Radio Shack itself is gone, at least from my country | Dec 22 22:00 |
starcannon | we still have Radio Shack here in Spokane Washington USA | Dec 22 22:00 |
cubezzz | a pity, I used to like the Shack | Dec 22 22:00 |
starcannon | but they don't really sell computers anymore | Dec 22 22:00 |
starcannon | They are still good for lots of other things though | Dec 22 22:01 |
starcannon | I buy soldering supplies there all the time | Dec 22 22:01 |
starcannon | I rebuilt my marantz 2270 receiver using radio shack solder, and other supplies | Dec 22 22:01 |
starcannon | Are you in Canada cubezzz? | Dec 22 22:02 |
cubezzz | yes | Dec 22 22:02 |
starcannon | nod | Dec 22 22:02 |
starcannon | yeah, Radio Shack, Sears, JC Penny, Montgomery Wards, even K-mart, and several other large retailers went way down, or clear gone from the retail landscape here what about 15 years ago? It was the beginning of the Wal-Mart type model | Dec 22 22:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Lily Allen quits "talking complete bollocks" http://newstechnica.com/2009/12/22/lily-allen-quits-talking-complete-bollocks/ | Dec 22 22:03 | |
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cubezzz | K-mart also is gone | Dec 22 22:03 |
cubezzz | ummm | Dec 22 22:04 |
starcannon | Yeah, wow, we still have them down here, but its not like it was when I was a kid, they used to be everywhere. | Dec 22 22:04 |
cubezzz | retail is really different now | Dec 22 22:04 |
starcannon | AFK phone | Dec 22 22:05 |
cubezzz | there are still a few small computer shops locally though | Dec 22 22:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Holy See declares unique copyright on priestly molestations http://is.gd/5xLgc (yes, two in a day!) | Dec 22 22:05 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Word Can be Banned Within Weeks for Microsoft #Patent Crime http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/22/lawsuits-infringement-vs-word/ | Dec 22 22:07 | |
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schestowitz | http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009122013166878529.html | Dec 22 22:11 |
schestowitz | As RMS says, "Saboteurs cut the main Iraqi oil pipeline, perhaps trying to prevent their nation's wealth from being handed over to foreign conquerors. " | Dec 22 22:11 |
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schestowitz | http://www.themedialine.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsID=27415 | Dec 22 22:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Back from pubbing with @techpractical and @pndc. James says it's the first pint I've ever bought him. | Dec 22 22:14 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I found the UI for UNR, it's netbook-launcher. It does seem to need Gnome however which is sad. Further examination may disprove that though | Dec 22 22:29 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] On the way home after a great first #ubuntu UK "sherry and mince pie evening". Met some nice people and took an OLPC to bits. Oops! #fb | Dec 22 22:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Live by the sword……. – or so Microsoft discover? http://tinyurl.com/ylh2q8v #microsoft #windows #word #xp #msoffice #fail #shame | Dec 22 22:41 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Put the #RedHat on http://ur1.ca/ieat Ballmer and Hovsepian are failing once again to obstruct the leader | Dec 22 22:48 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFgX83OsEY | Dec 22 22:52 |
schestowitz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091220/ap_on_bi_ge/us_cell_phone_warnings | Dec 22 22:59 |
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schestowitz | Cute: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/computers | Dec 22 23:01 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What a great blog - http://crankyoldnutcase.blogspot.com I recommend people visit! #linux #foss #rms #gnu #windows #microsoft #xp #vista | Dec 22 23:03 | |
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schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091221/1607597451.shtml | Dec 22 23:05 |
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schestowitz | http://www.thresq.com/2009/12/rolling-stone-merchandise-trademark-lawsuit.html | Dec 22 23:09 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently running Chromium (build 4.0.279.0) still impressed! Can't remember the last time I used any other browser! #chromium | Dec 22 23:14 | |
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ziggyfish | good morning | Dec 22 23:19 |
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_goblin | hi! | Dec 22 23:24 |
_goblin | ziggyfish and oiaohm! | Dec 22 23:25 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Intel-N450-D410-D510/?kc=rss | Dec 22 23:39 |
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schestowitz | _goblin: yeah, it's morning down under | Dec 22 23:39 |
_goblin | hi! | Dec 22 23:39 |
schestowitz | _goblin: I've just subscribed to Mad Hatter's blog after you recommended it... no idea why I hadn't done this before | Dec 22 23:39 |
_goblin | just filing a Chromium bug....typical...I sing its praises and then have to report one.... | Dec 22 23:39 |
schestowitz | _goblin: are you fluent in law? | Dec 22 23:39 |
_goblin | criminal yes | Dec 22 23:39 |
_goblin | civil - a little | Dec 22 23:39 |
schestowitz | Cause I had a chat with this lawyer in the sauna about Mandy's mess | Dec 22 23:40 |
_goblin | Mandy's mess? | Dec 22 23:40 |
schestowitz | People hardly know about it. Same with ACTA. | Dec 22 23:40 |
schestowitz | _goblin: digital economy bill of whatever | Dec 22 23:40 |
_goblin | ah | Dec 22 23:40 |
schestowitz | It's a farce | Dec 22 23:40 |
schestowitz | And they still change it | Dec 22 23:40 |
_goblin | I agree...but on the basis of it being unenforacable... | Dec 22 23:41 |
schestowitz | E.g. latest is http://the1709blog.blogspot.com/2009/12/groundless-copyright-threats.html | Dec 22 23:41 |
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_goblin | Ive suggested ISP licensing like public houses.... | Dec 22 23:41 |
_goblin | make the ISP responsible for the data passing though their servers.. | Dec 22 23:41 |
schestowitz | By the way, why no love for apostrophes? | Dec 22 23:41 |
_goblin | lol... | Dec 22 23:41 |
_goblin | I dont use them much at work. | Dec 22 23:42 |
schestowitz | its not so good [sic] | Dec 22 23:42 |
_goblin | the systems we use dont search using them. | Dec 22 23:42 |
schestowitz | It makes me want to edit stuff I quote from you | Dec 22 23:42 |
_goblin | please feel free | Dec 22 23:42 |
schestowitz | You're lowering credibility by leaving grammar issues in there | Dec 22 23:42 |
_goblin | its like your name.....I have to stop myself when I want to type: | Dec 22 23:43 |
_goblin | Roy SCHESTOWITZ | Dec 22 23:43 |
schestowitz | bt _goblin if dats t case y not just blame txting on bad habits 2? | Dec 22 23:43 |
_goblin | like I say our systems dont like punctuation.... | Dec 22 23:43 |
_goblin | yeah but theirs an operational reason for my non-usage. | Dec 22 23:43 |
schestowitz | _goblin: I thought that was French convention | Dec 22 23:43 |
schestowitz | My ex g/f who was French would capitalise(all cap) surnames | Dec 22 23:44 |
_goblin | its common in statements | Dec 22 23:44 |
_goblin | along with addresses | Dec 22 23:44 |
schestowitz | Depends where | Dec 22 23:44 |
schestowitz | People freak out here if I say zipcode | Dec 22 23:44 |
_goblin | and punctuation is bad because it can draw incorrect inference. | Dec 22 23:44 |
schestowitz | Punctuation resolves ambiguities | Dec 22 23:45 |
schestowitz | It's not just for reading and pace | Dec 22 23:45 |
_goblin | im trying to think of an example.... | Dec 22 23:45 |
schestowitz | Example | Dec 22 23:45 |
schestowitz | John, Harry, and Tom | Dec 22 23:45 |
schestowitz | John, Harry and Tom | Dec 22 23:45 |
_goblin | direct speech...? | Dec 22 23:46 |
_goblin | I am trying to think of an example I can use here. | Dec 22 23:46 |
schestowitz | But you can change preferences | Dec 22 23:46 |
schestowitz | I mean, why not adds punctuation? | Dec 22 23:47 |
schestowitz | It's not as though you can be multi-lingual | Dec 22 23:47 |
_goblin | Ill give an example..... | Dec 22 23:47 |
schestowitz | Same with IRC vs blogs | Dec 22 23:47 |
_goblin | we use a system that has a freetext box for information.... | Dec 22 23:47 |
schestowitz | Blogs I write properly, more formally. Same with academic papers | Dec 22 23:47 |
schestowitz | _goblin: you don't use Google? /sarcasm | Dec 22 23:48 |
_goblin | it has no proximity type search and because of the diverse nature of the information in it, there are certain rules...for example | Dec 22 23:48 |
schestowitz | According to Schmidt, if you care about privacy, you do something criminal | Dec 22 23:48 |
schestowitz | So I guess he was right :-0 | Dec 22 23:48 |
schestowitz | Criminal in the formal sensxe | Dec 22 23:48 |
_goblin | lol... | Dec 22 23:49 |
schestowitz | Kleenex | Dec 22 23:49 |
_goblin | I think privacy of the person and privacy of action are two different issues.... | Dec 22 23:49 |
_goblin | for example, the right for your to have a private family life, is a good right.... | Dec 22 23:50 |
_goblin | whereas you intentionally go online........ | Dec 22 23:51 |
_goblin | in regards to commercial exploitation, your surfing habbits should be private... | Dec 22 23:51 |
_goblin | in regards to law enforcement, I think that right is waivered. | Dec 22 23:51 |
_goblin | most people have already signed away their privacy in their ISP T&C | Dec 22 23:51 |
_goblin | I know I have with O2 . | Dec 22 23:52 |
schestowitz |  | Dec 22 23:53 |
schestowitz | [23:50] <_goblin> for example, the right for your to have a private family life, is a good right.... | Dec 22 23:53 |
schestowitz | Depends on them | Dec 22 23:53 |
schestowitz | Then you talk about relational data | Dec 22 23:53 |
schestowitz | And it's up to those members of family--individually--to keep private | Dec 22 23:54 |
schestowitz | [23:51] <_goblin> in regards to commercial exploitation, your surfing habbits should be private... | Dec 22 23:54 |
schestowitz | Not with Marshall law | Dec 22 23:54 |
_goblin | I am refering to sale of your habits for commercial gain...i.e Phorm. | Dec 22 23:55 |
schestowitz | Yes, what do you make of DPI? | Dec 22 23:55 |
schestowitz | Slated/Homer protests against it | Dec 22 23:55 |
schestowitz | So have I, but unlike him, I don't block users who use Phorm-infected ISPs | Dec 22 23:56 |
_goblin | yeah....its a hard one... | Dec 22 23:56 |
schestowitz | I don't blame users | Dec 22 23:56 |
_goblin | in regards to your ISP....I bet you have already given authority albeit by your T&C | Dec 22 23:56 |
schestowitz | You're a legal buff, you ought to grok this stuff | Dec 22 23:56 |
schestowitz | _goblin: they don't do surveillance, unless there is a reason | Dec 22 23:56 |
schestowitz | I'm harmless | Dec 22 23:57 |
_goblin | in regards to law enforcment you are looking at RIPR policy... | Dec 22 23:57 |
_goblin | covert intrusive observation. | Dec 22 23:57 |
_goblin | of sorts. | Dec 22 23:57 |
schestowitz | RIPPER sounds bad | Dec 22 23:57 |
schestowitz | WHat'szit? | Dec 22 23:57 |
_goblin | its the best practice for covert surviellance for police | Dec 22 23:57 |
_goblin | its actually reassuring for a MOP to read. | Dec 22 23:57 |
_goblin | as a MOP you have more power in terms of covert surviellance.. | Dec 22 23:58 |
_goblin | you can pick up a camera, hide it and start filming... | Dec 22 23:58 |
_goblin | police can't | Dec 22 23:58 |
_goblin | Sup Ints authority for covert obs | Dec 22 23:58 |
schestowitz | They have CCTV | Dec 22 23:59 |
schestowitz | Filming us all the time | Dec 22 23:59 |
schestowitz | From many angles | Dec 22 23:59 |
_goblin | but thats overt | Dec 22 23:59 |
schestowitz | With disposal cycles | Dec 22 23:59 |
schestowitz | BTW, I don't perceive police as only force of good | Dec 22 23:59 |
schestowitz | ANd I will show you why | Dec 22 23:59 |
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