| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/HuffPo+Echoes+BanksterUSA | Dec 31 00:01 |
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| cubezzz | it just seems that some popular web sites do a crappy job of implementing things | Dec 31 00:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mandy's new outfit. Emperor with suitable clothes... http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2009/dec/29/all-your-internet-are-belong-us/ | Dec 31 00:05 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Pirate Party UK - All your internet are belong to us .::. Size~: 11.56 KB | Dec 31 00:05 |
| schestowitz | "Either way, at least one of those images was apparently edited, and Citrano's still waiting for that apology and retraction..." http://techdirt.com/articles/20091228/0239407511.shtml | Dec 31 00:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: W Korea Uses Demi Moore Photo... With A Different Hip -- So Which One Is Edited? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 42.98 KB | Dec 31 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2009/12/living-firefox-for-those-who-have-not.html | Dec 31 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | See the comments here: http://www.fsdaily.com/HighEnd/Microsoft_Brings_Silverlight_2_to_Linux#comment-5506 | Dec 31 00:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Brings Silverlight 2 to Linux | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 38.2 KB | Dec 31 00:32 |
| schestowitz | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM | Dec 31 00:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Idle Story | USPTO Awards LOL Patent To IBM .::. Size~: 117.48 KB | Dec 31 00:36 |
| schestowitz | "Shame on you, Shame on you, Shame on you..." | Dec 31 00:36 |
| MinceR | wow, there's a non-obvious patent | Dec 31 00:38 |
| MinceR | </sarcasm> | Dec 31 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Someone at IBM just won the 10 000 bonus for regesting the best joke patent of the year. | Dec 31 00:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 31 00:39 |
| cubezzz | silverblight :) | Dec 31 00:43 |
| cubezzz | another cool thing about FC1, no mono :) | Dec 31 00:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hungry-hackers.com/2009/12/how-to-hack-password-of-any-operating-system.html | Dec 31 00:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How to Hack Password of any Operating System | Hacking Truths .::. Size~: 77.49 KB | Dec 31 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Wow will later crow about its number of patents | Dec 31 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Kappos and his puppets are part of this fiasco known as USPTO | Dec 31 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Right, jono? :-) | Dec 31 00:46 |
| jono | hey schestowitz | Dec 31 00:46 |
| jono | schestowitz eh? | Dec 31 00:47 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/366648/ | Dec 31 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | jono: was joking | Dec 31 00:47 |
| schestowitz | About IBM's latest patent | Dec 31 00:47 |
| jono | hang on a sec | Dec 31 00:47 |
| jono | brb | Dec 31 00:47 |
| schestowitz | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM | Dec 31 00:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Idle Story | USPTO Awards LOL Patent To IBM .::. Size~: 118.24 KB | Dec 31 00:47 |
| schestowitz | See? Canonical should come up with such "innovations" too... | Dec 31 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I can sense Microsoft shaking its fear like an LOLcat over this mighty IBM monopoly | Dec 31 00:48 |
| schestowitz | /its/with/ | Dec 31 00:48 |
| cubezzz | which computer company makes the most money? | Dec 31 00:50 |
| jono | aha! | Dec 31 00:50 |
| jono | sorry, I am busy hackng on Acire at the moment | Dec 31 00:50 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: probably the Asian giants | Dec 31 00:53 |
| schestowitz | They actually MAKE computers | Dec 31 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Nouveau merged puts Nvidia in a interesting location. | Dec 31 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Nouveau could be activeate by some kernel by default so blocking there closed source driver from loading. | Dec 31 00:54 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn revenue: $78.8 billion USD | Dec 31 00:54 |
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| cubezzz | whoa | Dec 31 00:54 |
| cubezzz | that's big | Dec 31 00:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTy3WA0Pq8M | Dec 31 00:54 |
| schestowitz | "9 million bicycles in Bejing..." | Dec 31 00:57 |
| schestowitz | *beij | Dec 31 00:57 |
| cubezzz | income is much smaller than Microsoft though | Dec 31 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Think that is the biggest hardware maker. | Dec 31 01:00 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, the reference to "A Trip to the Moon" came in handy in a reply I just posted in #sflc | Dec 31 01:00 |
| oiaohm | There is something wrong with MS income. | Dec 31 01:00 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: that's what Microsoft says | Dec 31 01:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is Intel already unleashing drones to belittle its crimes that it was found guilty for in several continents? http://ur1.ca/is2m | Dec 31 01:01 | |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft also borrows more money | Dec 31 01:01 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft is lying denmark | Dec 31 01:01 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - DK: Chair of Denmark's standards committee: 'Microsoft is lying' — | http://www.osor.eu/news/dk-chair-of-denmarks-standards-committee-microsoft-is-lying | Dec 31 01:01 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Denmark — | http://www.osor.eu/news/news-by-country/denmark | Dec 31 01:01 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - EIF Scrutinised, ODF Evolves, and Microsoft's OOXML “Lies” Lead to ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/microsoft-is-accused-of-lying/ | Dec 31 01:01 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Denmark Gets Help with ODF Adoption - comp.os.linux.advocacy ... | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/d032f1a5d978d525 | Dec 31 01:01 |
| cubezzz | IBM's revenue is higher than foxconn's | Dec 31 01:02 |
| schestowitz | [00:58] <amarsh04> it would be good to start a Gutenberg project of early Australian literature and print music | Dec 31 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Where is the reference though? | Dec 31 01:02 |
| cubezzz | <cubezzz> Méliès had intended to release the film in the United States to profit from it. Thomas Edison's film technicians, however, secretly made copies of it and distributed it throughout the country. Méliès never profited from it, and he eventually went broke. | Dec 31 01:04 |
| amarsh04 | sorry, being obtuse... the Australian detective novell author was duped into selling his copyright cheaply to the uk publisher who sold 500,000 copies of the book | Dec 31 01:04 |
| amarsh04 | the Australian author ended up not getting much considering how popular his book was | Dec 31 01:05 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Voyage_dans_la_Lune | Dec 31 01:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A Trip to the Moon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 75.96 KB | Dec 31 01:05 |
| schestowitz | this one looks good. http://www.mygnulinux.com/?p=480 | Dec 31 01:06 |
| amarsh04 | reminds me of spyglass getting a percentage of internet explorer sales | Dec 31 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | meta-industries get a lot of money | Dec 31 01:07 |
| schestowitz | When someone like mysql founder sells it to Sun, you can bet most money goes to the VCs | Dec 31 01:07 |
| schestowitz | I.e. just some rich people who get even richer, not the founders/devs | Dec 31 01:07 |
| amarsh04 | indeed | Dec 31 01:08 |
| cubezzz | the devs must get something | Dec 31 01:08 |
| amarsh04 | more money in sales and marketing than in production | Dec 31 01:09 |
| amarsh04 | or, more money in perception than reality | Dec 31 01:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.enterprisemobiletoday.com/news/article.php/3855661/Unlocked-Google-Branded-Phone-Coming-Jan-5.htm | Dec 31 01:10 |
| amarsh04 | back in a while... | Dec 31 01:10 |
| schestowitz | [01:10] <amarsh04> or, more money in perception than reality | Dec 31 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Dec 31 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Apple is a good example of this | Dec 31 01:11 |
| schestowitz | More so than Microsoft, IMHO | Dec 31 01:11 |
| schestowitz | They even police how people show Apple products | Dec 31 01:11 |
| schestowitz | I can't just grab a photo of a grubby ipod and put it as a reference sales photo | Dec 31 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Kawasaki and those folks are all about selling dreams (hallucinations) as matter of strategy, Microsoft too | Dec 31 01:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Kawasaki and those folks are all about selling dreams (hallucinations) as matter of strategy, Microsoft too | Dec 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Oracle...... | Dec 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | "Nobody gets fired for buying IBM....." | Dec 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | "Too big to fail" (AIG, Citi...) | Dec 31 01:13 |
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| tessier | Too big to fail means they should be broken up. | Dec 31 01:13 |
| schestowitz | There's a PDF from AIG that blew things up a bit, showing that they knew (and planned) to create systemic dependency such that they cannot be ever left to rot | Dec 31 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like that too, wrapping its tentacles around things like healthcare and government so that it would be bailed out if bankruptcy was declared. | Dec 31 01:15 |
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| cubezzz | "Microsoft marketing adopted Windows 95 as the product name for Chicago when it was released on August 24, 1995. Microsoft had a double gain from its release: first it made it impossible for consumers to run Windows 95 on a cheaper, non-Microsoft DOS" | Dec 31 01:20 |
| cubezzz | the pattern is clear: squeeze others out | Dec 31 01:20 |
| cubezzz | and they were very successful doing this | Dec 31 01:22 |
| cubezzz | but the KO punch is to replace the whole OS | Dec 31 01:22 |
| schestowitz | And vapourware announcements | Dec 31 01:22 |
| cubezzz | only by completely removal of all microsoft software ends the danger | Dec 31 01:23 |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/no-firefox-for-new-years | Dec 31 01:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: No Firefox for New Year's .::. Size~: 37.09 KB | Dec 31 01:23 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: there are other evils that took lessons from Redmond | Dec 31 01:23 |
| schestowitz | It's better to say yes to "Free software" | Dec 31 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Not a "no" to the convicted criminal | Dec 31 01:24 |
| schestowitz | The FSF mastered this message | Dec 31 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Solution as cure, not just punishment. I very strongly doubt Bill & Steve will ever be locked up | Dec 31 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Same with Otellini... they cover up their tracks | Dec 31 01:25 |
| cubezzz | Gates is very smart | Dec 31 01:25 |
| cubezzz | it's not good to under-estimate him | Dec 31 01:25 |
| cubezzz | I give the devil his due | Dec 31 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Oh, Nightshade is just a Stellarium fork | Dec 31 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Turns out... http://ostatic.com/blog/nightshade-forks-from-stellarium-designs-open-source-software-for-planetariums | Dec 31 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: you mean, shrewd... like a fox | Dec 31 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Don't forget he had a family to slate and groom him to become a monopolist | Dec 31 01:28 |
| cubezzz | yes. it's hard to imagine it otherwise | Dec 31 01:28 |
| cubezzz | is SAT score was very high | Dec 31 01:29 |
| cubezzz | his | Dec 31 01:29 |
| cubezzz | someone had to pull some serious strings | Dec 31 01:30 |
| cubezzz | really if anyone "defeated" Gates, you have to say it was the Stallman/Linus combo | Dec 31 01:31 |
| cubezzz | not Lotus, not WP, not DRI | Dec 31 01:31 |
| cubezzz | I could add a ton of nots | Dec 31 01:31 |
| schestowitz | RMS got 1600 in his SATs | Dec 31 01:32 |
| cubezzz | it's amazing that Stallman did what he did though | Dec 31 01:33 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, did you know my ISP is pulling out BSD and installing Linux? | Dec 31 01:33 |
| cubezzz | Stallman was really thinking ahead | Dec 31 01:34 |
| cubezzz | but too much pie in the sky thinking :) | Dec 31 01:34 |
| cubezzz | BeOS was the same thing | Dec 31 01:34 |
| cubezzz | DRI had a chance, but only a small one | Dec 31 01:35 |
| cubezzz | they had GEM | Dec 31 01:35 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/12/maddow-conservatives-torture-fantasies/ | Dec 31 01:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Maddow: Conservatives using sick torture fantasies to politicize terror plot | Raw Story .::. Size~: 42.58 KB | Dec 31 01:35 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Bell? | Dec 31 01:36 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, Toronto Freenet, but they use Bell equipment so yeah | Dec 31 01:36 |
| cubezzz | 3rd party | Dec 31 01:36 |
| cubezzz | Bell uses everything | Dec 31 01:36 |
| cubezzz | I'm not on great terms with Bell | Dec 31 01:37 |
| schestowitz | "Russian scientists will soon meet in secret to work on a plan for saving Earth from a possible catastrophic collision with a giant asteroid in 26 years, the head of Russia's space agency said Wednesday." | Dec 31 01:37 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: the B in BS stands for Bell | Dec 31 01:37 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4859 | Dec 31 01:38 |
| schestowitz | "In my “Trolls, Zealots and Other *#@&^#%+s folder,” I noticed a few e-mails (mostly from Mac users, for some reason) advising me to go back and sit in my rocker and leave tech punditry to the younger generation." | Dec 31 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, she get a lot of abuse from Mac users she told me..... | Dec 31 01:38 |
| cubezzz | I was told if I had any probs to complain to the CRTC | Dec 31 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she should stop supporting a criminal company | Dec 31 01:39 |
| schestowitz | She should not be surprise that she's unpopular for it | Dec 31 01:39 |
| cubezzz | lol, I didn't think you were that old | Dec 31 01:39 |
| schestowitz | It I supported some serial criminal, would I expect to be loved? | Dec 31 01:39 |
| cubezzz | one of the DSLAM cards stopped working and Bell wouldn't fix it | Dec 31 01:40 |
| cubezzz | but now I know who to talk to at least | Dec 31 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/30/psystar_switches_to_linux/ | Dec 31 01:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Hackintosher's new line: Linux and T-shirts • The Register .::. Size~: 32.62 KB | Dec 31 01:41 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: give them a bell | Dec 31 01:41 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* poor taste. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/30/top_bod/ | Dec 31 01:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kate Winslet sports top celeb bod • The Register .::. Size~: 24.41 KB | Dec 31 01:42 |
| cubezzz | there's a lot of people switching to Linux | Dec 31 01:42 |
| schestowitz | "Lily Allen - 4 " *LMAO* | Dec 31 01:42 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: not in CA | Dec 31 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Look at this photo of Murdoch. OMG OMG11! :-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/30/quotes_of_the_year/ | Dec 31 01:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: They said what? Quotes of the Year • The Register .::. Size~: 25.01 KB | Dec 31 01:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard the Reg takes the piss out again: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/30/quotes_of_the_year/ | Dec 31 01:46 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: They said what? Quotes of the Year • The Register .::. Size~: 25.01 KB | Dec 31 01:46 |
| schestowitz | "Pricing and contract details on Google's anticipated Nexus One phone have surfaced." | Dec 31 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Google is extremely secretive | Dec 31 01:49 |
| schestowitz | They must be craving the days before blogs | Dec 31 01:49 |
| schestowitz | They could control what the media published | Dec 31 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Even embargo | Dec 31 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Bury before it spreads like fire through blogs | Dec 31 01:50 |
| schestowitz | http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=60 | Dec 31 02:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Poor review with heartwarming community response | proyvinds ra(n)thole .::. Size~: 24.77 KB | Dec 31 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Well done to Mandriva! | Dec 31 02:01 |
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| yuhong_ | your_friend thinks that ACLs are flawed, what do you think? | Dec 31 02:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20090830.htm | Dec 31 02:03 |
| schestowitz | RMS "the "war on drugs" gives the US an excuse/opportunity to militarize Latin America. " | Dec 31 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Well, he quotes the article basically | Dec 31 02:03 |
| schestowitz | yuhong_: ask him, why me? :-D | Dec 31 02:03 |
| yuhong_ | Do you know also there is a Linux Unified Kernel that merges the Windows and Linux kernels? | Dec 31 02:04 |
| yuhong_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Kernel | Dec 31 02:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Unified Kernel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 52.11 KB | Dec 31 02:04 |
| yuhong_ | Pretty funny, IMO. | Dec 31 02:04 |
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| MinceR | i know and i think it's pointless | Dec 31 02:05 |
| MinceR | also, yuhong does drive-by trolling, as usual | Dec 31 02:05 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "Historic protest at CIA HQ against murderous drone bombers. " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-sep-dec.html#30%20December%202009%20%28Sheehan%2C%20others%20to%20speak%20at%20CIA%20protest%20in%20January%29 | Dec 31 02:05 |
| schestowitz | The US fights with a lot of imprecise robots | Dec 31 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Treating innocent bystanders like objects of no significance | Dec 31 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Shame. | Dec 31 02:06 |
| schestowitz | yuhoung: LUK hardly seems to move | Dec 31 02:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he doesn't troll much anymore | Dec 31 02:06 |
| MinceR | to them, innocent bystanders _are_ objects of no significance... as long as they can avoid/avert the PR backlash. | Dec 31 02:06 |
| schestowitz | He sort of did in 2008 when he came here to praise Microsoft | Dec 31 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Now he dual-boots and I think he genuinely wants change | Dec 31 02:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I was subtle | Dec 31 02:07 |
| MinceR | so why does he pop in, ask some questions, make some ill-specified references, and pop out? | Dec 31 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Or as long as you can restrain the press | Dec 31 02:07 |
| schestowitz | If people don't know it happened, it never did | Dec 31 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Peasants don't run the press, they rely on foreign journalists to "exist" | Dec 31 02:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: hit and run | Dec 31 02:08 |
| schestowitz | He comes to make a quick point | Dec 31 02:08 |
| schestowitz | I think instead of commenting | Dec 31 02:08 |
| schestowitz | That's OK | Dec 31 02:08 |
| MinceR | he comes to fail to make a quick point | Dec 31 02:08 |
| MinceR | LUK doesn't merge the Linux kernel and the winblows kernel, it merges the Linux kernel and the ReactOS kernel. | Dec 31 02:09 |
| MinceR | still, it's pointless bloat. | Dec 31 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Love the headline: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/28 | Dec 31 02:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: One Day We’ll All Be Terrorists | CommonDreams.org .::. Size~: 339.33 KB | Dec 31 02:10 |
| schestowitz | "One day we'll all be free" | Dec 31 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't agree with us="terror~1" | Dec 31 02:10 |
| MinceR | thinking for yourself == "turrism" | Dec 31 02:10 |
| schestowitz | "Either you're with us or you're with the terrorist" --War Criminal (Bush) | Dec 31 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Watch out for the drone :-D | Dec 31 02:11 |
| schestowitz | They need to recompile $drone with module compassion | Dec 31 02:12 |
| MinceR | no need to worry until they find out where this country is :> | Dec 31 02:12 |
| schestowitz | Right now they are rogue machines that just drop bombs in places like Yemen | Dec 31 02:12 |
| MinceR | so they do the same thing their human predecessors did? :> | Dec 31 02:12 |
| schestowitz | And they always have buzzwords for the media like "Smart bombs" | Dec 31 02:12 |
| schestowitz | It leads people to thinking you can really aim missiles at individual people from 10k feet up in the sky | Dec 31 02:13 |
| schestowitz | Another big lie | Dec 31 02:13 |
| MinceR | might be true, except it takes out everything in a large radius along with that individual :> | Dec 31 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Bodycount only apply to "ours" (always), so the idea that you bomb from above and not risk ground troops simply means that fewer "people" ("real" people, _our_ people) die | Dec 31 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Notice ow Iraq body count in US press is almost always US troops | Dec 31 02:14 |
| schestowitz | 2 orders of magnitude below the real number | Dec 31 02:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, like his daughter | Dec 31 02:15 |
| schestowitz | She committed the 'crime' of standing next to daddy | Dec 31 02:15 |
| MinceR | i have no issue with such weapons, only who they're aimed at | Dec 31 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes just people who speak | Dec 31 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Remember all the ectivists like Marton Luther who were assassinated | Dec 31 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Gandhi too got assassinated | Dec 31 02:16 |
| schestowitz | *Martin | Dec 31 02:16 |
| MinceR | scientists got executed too | Dec 31 02:16 |
| schestowitz | *activists | Dec 31 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 31 02:16 |
| schestowitz | And abortionaists | Dec 31 02:16 |
| schestowitz | *abortionists, for controlling population size | Dec 31 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Idiots du jour: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/6907377/Abortions-delay-Messiahs-arrival-Israels-chief-rabbis-say.html | Dec 31 02:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Abortions delay Messiah's arrival, Israel's chief rabbis say - Telegraph .::. Size~: 60.34 KB | Dec 31 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Found this in glynmoody@twitter | Dec 31 02:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 31 02:18 |
| MinceR | well, it's their problem | Dec 31 02:18 |
| schestowitz | We should produce less chicken and eggs then | Dec 31 02:18 |
| MinceR | i don't care about the arrival of their so-called messiah | Dec 31 02:18 |
| schestowitz | We mus ensure all chicken eggs hatch | Dec 31 02:18 |
| schestowitz | And then feed the chicken till they due | Dec 31 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Famine for us, god for the chicken | Dec 31 02:19 |
| schestowitz | */god/good/ | Dec 31 02:19 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe I just did this | Dec 31 02:19 |
| schestowitz | */god/gould!/ | Dec 31 02:19 |
| MinceR | at least he didn't call for some sort of action outside his cult | Dec 31 02:19 |
| MinceR | goa'uld | Dec 31 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Yuck | Dec 31 02:19 |
| MinceR | false god ;) | Dec 31 02:19 |
| schestowitz | That Microsoft shill is gone | Dec 31 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Not written in ages | Dec 31 02:20 |
| schestowitz | He submits to /, as "AlexGr" | Dec 31 02:20 |
| MinceR | then again, i don't know how much does israel do separation of church and state | Dec 31 02:20 |
| MinceR | i'd guess not a lot | Dec 31 02:20 |
| schestowitz | "separation of church and state" is a catch phrase | Dec 31 02:22 |
| schestowitz | But I recently saw some bios about people who worked to separate those too | Dec 31 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Regimental corruption used to come a lot from church lobbies | Dec 31 02:22 |
| schestowitz | In the UK it still does | Dec 31 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Nordic societies are some of the most secular | Dec 31 02:23 |
| schestowitz | I think that to them, church is just something you put on the CD cover of a death metal album | Dec 31 02:23 |
| MinceR | it isn't just a catch phrase | Dec 31 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Look at Bama | Dec 31 02:23 |
| MinceR | it's something important to do, so long as you want freedom of religion, among other things | Dec 31 02:23 |
| MinceR | i know, they only speak about it in Jesusland | Dec 31 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Bama added a religious phrase to his oath | Dec 31 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Something like "may God help me" | Dec 31 02:24 |
| schestowitz | People in the US were mostly happy, not so much for those who believe in well, truth... | Dec 31 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Tyson said we should rename "Science" Truth" | Dec 31 02:24 |
| MinceR | yeah, truth hurts | Dec 31 02:24 |
| schestowitz | This way people will stop calling these things "theories" or "classes" | Dec 31 02:24 |
| MinceR | i think that would be at odds with the scientific method | Dec 31 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Like bible lesson at school, then biology and science | Dec 31 02:25 |
| schestowitz | I just don't get it | Dec 31 02:25 |
| schestowitz | They call it halthy mix | Dec 31 02:25 |
| MinceR | we don't really know what is truth, we build models of it | Dec 31 02:25 |
| MinceR | scientific models are based on observation and thought and they're useful | Dec 31 02:25 |
| MinceR | religious models are useless drivel | Dec 31 02:25 |
| schestowitz | But it's a bit like saying that we shoudl study both theories of flatland and world is round, then "decide" | Dec 31 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Time is precious | Dec 31 02:25 |
| schestowitz | Neurons are limited in capacity | Dec 31 02:25 |
| schestowitz | So we should concentrate on embedded truths, not fiction | Dec 31 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Teach people about people of relevance like their MEP, not some names of footballs and celebs they sleep with or fancy | Dec 31 02:26 |
| MinceR | we need to decide anyway, just not in the way the cultists believe it works | Dec 31 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Lots of dross in many people's minds sadly.... it's like filling us their brain capacity with many 000000000000... very compressible | Dec 31 02:27 |
| MinceR | perhaps they should build "technology" and a society on their "theories" if they're so sure of them | Dec 31 02:27 |
| MinceR | see how their "theories" work for medicine, sanitation and transportation | Dec 31 02:27 |
| schestowitz | But it would not work | Dec 31 02:27 |
| MinceR | of course | Dec 31 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Neuton pioneered callculus | Dec 31 02:27 |
| MinceR | that's the point ;) | Dec 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | In some away | Dec 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | That's preceded by theism | Dec 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | And then there are those who makde experimental frameworks | Dec 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Either in Egypt (the scholars) BC or some time after the Middle Ages, depending in definition | Dec 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | The standards by which you learn | Dec 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Hypothesis->method+data->conclusion | Dec 31 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Not fetching of books or papyrus from ancient caves | Dec 31 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Then flawed translations from Aramaic | Dec 31 02:29 |
| schestowitz | /scllculus/calculus/ | Dec 31 02:29 |
| schestowitz | There's this Nte loon George something who tries to create formal defnition of God=L_uv | Dec 31 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Very nutty | Dec 31 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Then contacts some academic who mostly ignore him | Dec 31 02:31 |
| MinceR | they're like children trying to imitate adults | Dec 31 02:31 |
| schestowitz | He attacked me after I had mocked his | Dec 31 02:31 |
| schestowitz | He attacked me after I had mocked him | Dec 31 02:31 |
| schestowitz | For standing in his way, he argues, of using calculus to prove God | Dec 31 02:31 |
| schestowitz | He would spray his nonsense by cross-posting inn USENET | Dec 31 02:31 |
| cubezzz | there's some interesting people on usenet | Dec 31 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Lee Xa | Dec 31 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 31 02:32 |
| cubezzz | anyone remember ludwig plutonium? | Dec 31 02:32 |
| schestowitz | They get reputation for it | Dec 31 02:32 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Plutonium | Dec 31 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | George Hammond was the name | Dec 31 02:33 |
| cubezzz | looks like he didn't quite make the crackpot list | Dec 31 02:34 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 31 02:35 |
| cubezzz | I remember real mathematicians talking to Ludwig | Dec 31 02:35 |
| schestowitz | "American mathematician who taught for many years at Iowa State University who became an Internet legend for his incessant and frequently bizarre posts to various Usenet newsgroups. In particular, he gained international notoriety for his claims that blowing up the Moon would solve virtually every problem of human existence, " | Dec 31 02:36 |
| schestowitz | That and stopping abortions... | Dec 31 02:36 |
| schestowitz | To bring teh juses back | Dec 31 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Haha... "MI5Victim " | Dec 31 02:36 |
| schestowitz | He's SOOOOOOOO annoying | Dec 31 02:36 |
| cubezzz | That Russian math guy was pretty odd too | Dec 31 02:37 |
| cubezzz | well, no moon no tides | Dec 31 02:37 |
| cubezzz | not sure that is good or not :) | Dec 31 02:37 |
| cubezzz | "Another famous eccentric was renowned theoretical physicist Albert Einstein; his eccentricities included picking up discarded cigarette butts off the street in order to circumvent his doctor's ban on buying tobacco for his pipe, piloting his sailboat on windless days ("for the challenge"), and lecturing his 8-year-old nephew on physics" | Dec 31 02:38 |
| MinceR | probably bad | Dec 31 02:39 |
| MinceR | a lot of living organisms depend on the tides in some way | Dec 31 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Remember Apple's [sic] baby shaker? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nJtd0Ua8sQ&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y | Dec 31 02:39 |
| MinceR | i've read about it | Dec 31 02:39 |
| MinceR | for some reason, it brings the phrase "Shake it baby!" to mind right now :> | Dec 31 02:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMsLg4jqlJw&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y&index=26 "This is sick you know and I swear to god whoever made up this crap and I find them I will kill them with my own bare hands. This is not funny for me as a gymnast who one of my role models is shawn johnson. And if you think it is funny you have definatly got a mental problem." | Dec 31 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Bullseye: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu4zMvE6FH4&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y&index=29 | Dec 31 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Some of the recent ones are really good.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDWo6m5hbG4&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y&index=30 | Dec 31 02:54 |
| *MinceR calls the waaaahmbulance for the fan :> | Dec 31 02:56 | |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 31 02:56 |
| MinceR | "we considered her to be part of the family" | Dec 31 02:57 |
| MinceR | "it was just a quick shot to the back of the head" | Dec 31 02:58 |
| MinceR | "sometimes your child will even respond to you" :D | Dec 31 03:01 |
| schestowitz | It's sick and some viewers didn't know it was fake. | Dec 31 03:12 |
| schestowitz | See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYQhvW-tjNM | Dec 31 03:12 |
| MinceR | :D | Dec 31 03:16 |
| MinceR | "next up -- a new cure for crying children: smothering." | Dec 31 03:17 |
| MinceR | too bad the game itself is Trash | Dec 31 03:24 |
| MinceR | it loads for ages and then shows off exactly how little those idiots at adobe know about programming | Dec 31 03:25 |
| schestowitz | This weird set of pages linking to BN: http://southwestairlinesalmostkilledyou.blogspot.com/2009/12/2009-year-everyone-figured-out-that-faa.html | Dec 31 03:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: THE END OF SOUTHWEST AIRLINES: 2009: The Year EVERYONE Figured Out That FAA I.T. "Head" David M. Bowen Was An Idiot-Reject From The Failed Health-Care Insurance Industry .::. Size~: 138.22 KB | Dec 31 03:25 |
| schestowitz | Some kind of defamation site | Dec 31 03:25 |
| schestowitz | 4 of them in fact | Dec 31 03:25 |
| schestowitz | http://ejectsturgell.blogspot.com/2009/12/2009-year-everyone-figured-out-that-faa.html | Dec 31 03:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WE HIT THE BOBBY STURGELL "EJECT" BUTTON: 2009: The Year EVERYONE Figured Out That FAA I.T. "Head" David M. Bowen Was An Idiot-Reject From The Failed Health-Care Insurance Industry .::. Size~: 131.82 KB | Dec 31 03:25 |
| schestowitz | http://indictsturgell.blogspot.com/2009/12/2009-year-everyone-figured-out-that-faa.html | Dec 31 03:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: THE CASE FOR EX-FAA HEAD STURGELL'S INDICTMENT: 2009: The Year EVERYONE Figured Out That FAA I.T. "Head" David M. Bowen Was An Idiot-Reject From The Failed Health-Care Insurance Industry .::. Size~: 133.44 KB | Dec 31 03:25 |
| schestowitz | and so on.. | Dec 31 03:26 |
| MinceR | weird | Dec 31 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Dec 31 03:28 |
| schestowitz | I can see what would cause it | Dec 31 03:28 |
| schestowitz | FAA fiascos | Dec 31 03:28 |
| schestowitz | Almost crashes | Dec 31 03:28 |
| MinceR | the page itself has a weird structure, though | Dec 31 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Real dangerous | Dec 31 03:29 |
| schestowitz | More so than the cults of Microsoft and Apple | Dec 31 03:29 |
| schestowitz | What makes Novell more dangerous is that it masquerades as a friend and hands over a string (Moonlight) to hang yourself with | Dec 31 03:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: well, crazed individuals make crazed pages, I guess | Dec 31 03:30 |
| schestowitz | l8 | Dec 31 03:31 |
| MinceR | fuck, lenovo knows even less about how to make keyboards that don't suck than dell does | Dec 31 03:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Dec 31 03:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | laptop keyboards just suck | Dec 31 03:39 |
| MinceR | at least i could put the key back on the dell properly | Dec 31 03:40 |
| MinceR | fuck these fucking chinese assholes | Dec 31 03:56 |
| MinceR | nobody fucking knows how to put this shit together | Dec 31 03:58 |
| MinceR | done | Dec 31 04:03 |
| MinceR | plain rubber-dome keyboards look better every minute | Dec 31 04:04 |
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| MinceR | also, i hate intel powertop | Dec 31 04:04 |
| MinceR | "we'll just enable usb autosuspend and it will be oh so great. never mind that we'll "suspend" your usb hub and the external keyboard. who needs that, right?" | Dec 31 04:04 |
| MinceR | and the stupid intel wireless driver that decides it will just eat the cpu for lunch | Dec 31 04:05 |
| MinceR | i hate the IT industry | Dec 31 04:06 |
| MinceR | and htop doesn't even show it when kernel modules eat the cpu | Dec 31 04:08 |
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| cubezzz | :-0 | Dec 31 05:19 |
| cubezzz | BSD was not really open source in the late 70's | Dec 31 05:48 |
| cubezzz | the schools had to sign an NDA | Dec 31 05:49 |
| cubezzz | they could modify things and even share with others (as long as the others also signed the NDA) | Dec 31 05:49 |
| cubezzz | but back then no one would have had the hardware to run it, except in universities | Dec 31 05:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Sabili 9.10 released. http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05843 | Dec 31 05:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Sabily 9.10 released. http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05843 | Dec 31 05:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Trying out the new real-time search capabilities in #Google. | Dec 31 07:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Wow! Impressive! :D | Dec 31 07:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Very nice! xD | Dec 31 07:09 | |
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| fewa_ | an article praising the Mississippi prison system for its for-profit approach to incarceration. | Dec 31 07:15 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sankarshan: The number of patents around Indic and OCR are staggeringly high given that implementations are disastrous #fb | Dec 31 08:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I am curently installing Kubuntu 9.10 on my laptop (singelboot). | Dec 31 08:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hUZo87X2Kjw_tHbPPziSNwlraRog | Dec 31 09:16 |
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| DaemonFC | "The business model for legacy phone services is in a death spiral," AT&T said. "With an outdated product, falling revenues, and rising costs, the plain-old telephone service (POTS) business is unsustainable for the long run." | Dec 31 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | Wonder when they noticed | Dec 31 09:17 |
| amarsh04 | if telco's sold landlines with guaranteed DSL speeds and guaranteed access to a variety of DSLAM providers, landlines would be more popular | Dec 31 09:32 |
| amarsh04 | I get 12Mbit/s down 1 Mbit/s up and have 4 different companies with DSLAMs at my local exchange (or central office in Bellcore terminology) | Dec 31 09:33 |
| amarsh04 | getting Telstra to fix the line quality took a fair amount of persistence | Dec 31 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | I think AT&T will pull out and Comcast will be even more expensive | Dec 31 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/22093992/detail.html | Dec 31 09:35 |
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| DaemonFC | lulz | Dec 31 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | Why would you "wire $31,000 to the Dominican Republic" to settle a supposed fine with the US government? | Dec 31 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | people are retarded | Dec 31 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | Don't people even understand that a federal agent can't levy a fine on you anyway? | Dec 31 09:38 |
| amarsh04 | separation of powers is not understood well enough on all sides | Dec 31 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's kind of sort of implied in the Bill of Rights | Dec 31 09:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Director general Thompson defends BBC top salaries | The BBC shouldn't BE competing at all, it's a PBS http://tinyurl.com/y8mhvsv | Dec 31 09:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | that you won't be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law | Dec 31 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | meaning court order | Dec 31 09:39 |
| amarsh04 | ie police aren't courts aren't government | Dec 31 09:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Spinvox bought by Nuance for £64m - new name, same privacy concerns? http://tinyurl.com/yazzaf2 | Dec 31 09:40 | |
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| DaemonFC | an FBI agent can't directly impose a fine or send you to jail any more than they can issue you a death sentence | Dec 31 09:40 |
| amarsh04 | although arizona's sheriff joe seems to think otherwise | Dec 31 09:40 |
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| amarsh04 | hi keckskebak | Dec 31 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: 287g programs should be expanded | Dec 31 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | they won't because liberals are in charge though | Dec 31 09:41 |
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| DaemonFC | There's nothing wrong with pulling someone over cause their tail light is out, asking for ID, and finding out it's fake and arresting them | Dec 31 09:41 |
| amarsh04 | sorry, I don't understand what 287g programs are? Educating the public on their rights and responsibilities? | Dec 31 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: 287g programs train local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration law | Dec 31 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | It is not unconstitutional as the officer found it out while he had probable cause to ID you | Dec 31 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: Say I'm a cop and you have a tail light out or were speeding or something, and I pull you over | Dec 31 09:43 |
| amarsh04 | oh... I'm happier having just state and federal police rather than "local" police | Dec 31 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | In the course of pulling you over I ask for ID, you either give me a fake driver's license or none | Dec 31 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | either way I arrest you | Dec 31 09:43 |
| amarsh04 | well, here one doesn't have to carry their driver's licence on them when driving | Dec 31 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | while you're in custody, I can check out your immigration status and turn you over to ICE if I want to | Dec 31 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: In Indiana, it has to be on your person while you are operating a motor vehicle | Dec 31 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | if a cop pulls you over and your driver's license is in the other seat or the glove box, that's driving without a license | Dec 31 09:45 |
| amarsh04 | local police have been careful to explain that they weren't singling me out when I've been stopped by them | Dec 31 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: That law is not really enforced | Dec 31 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | as long as you can hand it to the officer, you're fine | Dec 31 09:45 |
| amarsh04 | the problem starts as soon as there is abitrary enforcement | Dec 31 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | but if you can't, that's when you're going to have a problem | Dec 31 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: If you were breaking the law, they had the legal responsibility to pull you over | Dec 31 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | if you were speeding or had a tail light out, it's not profiling | Dec 31 09:47 |
| oiaohm | Ok so you are not like here if you are on you opens here you can take you driver licence in the next day and still be classed as driving with a licence. DaemonFC | Dec 31 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: You have to give it to the officer while you're pulled over, or you're not going anywhere | Dec 31 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | he'll charge you with driving without a license, and either arrest you and have your car towed | Dec 31 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | or issue you a summons to appear and let you have a licensed driver drive you home | Dec 31 09:48 |
| amarsh04 | by that argument DaemonFC the police would be stuck breath-testing every passing driver passing by | Dec 31 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | impound lot runs about $500 a day while you clear that up :) | Dec 31 09:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] US talk show host Rush Limbaugh in hospital in Hawaii - It was a matter of when the hatred affected his health http://tinyurl.com/yb33ccx | Dec 31 09:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | amarsh04: Not really, there's some signs of impairment | Dec 31 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | weaving, driving recklessly.... | Dec 31 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's probable cause | Dec 31 09:49 |
| amarsh04 | if you show signs of impairment by all means | Dec 31 09:49 |
| oiaohm | So way different to here DaemonFC | Dec 31 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | probable cause says they had good reason to suspect you might be intoxicated | Dec 31 09:49 |
| amarsh04 | but going heavy on enforcement in one way or allowing other problems to flourish (e.g. gambling addiction) just pushes problems elsewhere | Dec 31 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | they pulled me over one day cause I swerved to avoid a dead animal and the cop up ahead didn't see the animal, he just saw me swerve | Dec 31 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | pulled me over to ask why I did it | Dec 31 09:51 |
| amarsh04 | we're told not to swerve (much) to avoid an animal, living or dead, brakes yes, but swerving can end up being fatal for the driver or others | Dec 31 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: If they pull you over for drunk driving or cause your seatbelt isn't on, or you had a tail light out, and they find 100 kilos of crack cocaine in the car | Dec 31 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | should they just issue the citation for the traffic infraction? | Dec 31 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | Same thing with illegal immigrants | Dec 31 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of people want police to turn a blind eye to someone that they know is breaking the law | Dec 31 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | if we let illegal immigrants go, we might as well stop enforcing laws about trafficking crack cocain | Dec 31 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | *cocaine | Dec 31 09:53 |
| amarsh04 | I'm happy for the police to be reasonable checking on things, but not to be arbitarily harrass people that way | Dec 31 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | I don't agree with arbitrary stops "profiling" just to find out | Dec 31 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | but if you have them on one thing and notice they're breaking more laws as well, you get them for every law they're breaking | Dec 31 09:54 |
| amarsh04 | 61 drug labs raided in our state this year, last one was in a high class suburb | Dec 31 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, must be a small state | Dec 31 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | I think there were over 700 meth labs busted in Indiana in 2008 | Dec 31 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | and that's jsut meth | Dec 31 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: Dan Burton, our district's US Congressman's son was found growing and selling tons of marijuana and in illegal possession of a sawed off shotgun | Dec 31 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | Guess what they did for him? | Dec 31 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | All charges dropped | Dec 31 09:56 |
| amarsh04 | sometimes it's better to give the driver the opportunity to fix the vehicle without a fine rather than punish first | Dec 31 09:56 |
| amarsh04 | government pardons? | Dec 31 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | no, he just leaned on the judge | Dec 31 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | had all the charges dropped | Dec 31 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | just the amount of marijuana he had would have given him 10 years mandatory minimum | Dec 31 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | the shotgun would have been 20 | Dec 31 09:57 |
| amarsh04 | the SCO versus the world trials have caused some debate about Senator Orrin Hatch and his son Brent Hatch who represents SCO | Dec 31 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | so he got out of 30 years or more in prison cause daddy is a US Congressman | Dec 31 09:58 |
| amarsh04 | there was a worse case recently reported in India which had gone on for between 10 and 20 years | Dec 31 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | So basically, if you're politically well connected, the laws don't apply to you | Dec 31 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | even in the United States | Dec 31 09:59 |
| amarsh04 | judicial independence and due process are essential for a good democracy | Dec 31 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | Our county's Superior Court judge gets pulled over for drunk driving all the time | Dec 31 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | they just let him go once they find out it's him | Dec 31 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | next day, back on the bench with a bottle of aspirin | Dec 31 10:01 |
| amarsh04 | my local state mp recently had some fun when he was told that certain documents he had requested under Freedom Of Information had never existed. He actually already had copies of some of the documents | Dec 31 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | sentencing people for DWIs | Dec 31 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there's a lot of corruption at every level of government | Dec 31 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | I actually admire the Chinese in some ways | Dec 31 10:02 |
| oiaohm | I have seen funny cases here were the judge got let off by the police office then the police office was in court here. | Dec 31 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | executing drug dealers | Dec 31 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't take that crap "letter from mommy" from the UK for that British drug dealer they executed yesterday | Dec 31 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | they have a pair :) | Dec 31 10:03 |
| amarsh04 | we've had heads of wine companies convicted of dui | Dec 31 10:03 |
| oiaohm | The British were morons. They got there person killed. | Dec 31 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Under Chinese law someone had to take resonablity. | Dec 31 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: He was going to be executed either way | Dec 31 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | they just made asses out of themselves | Dec 31 10:04 |
| oiaohm | No there was a way out DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | What? Get someone else to claim responsibility? | Dec 31 10:04 |
| oiaohm | An Australian mentally ill 5 years before got off drug trafficing in china. | Dec 31 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see that happening for some reason. ;) | Dec 31 10:04 |
| oiaohm | by china laws the mentally ill should not be walking around on the streets. | Dec 31 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | so the UK and Australia just pull out the "He's nuts" defense when one of their nationals is on death row in China? | Dec 31 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | cool! | Dec 31 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | "You can't kill him, he's nuts!" | Dec 31 10:05 |
| oiaohm | So all the goverment of the UK had to do was admit they have fail to protect him from the general public. | Dec 31 10:06 |
| oiaohm | Then put in in a mental hospital for the rest of his days DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:06 |
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| DaemonFC | sounds comfy | Dec 31 10:06 |
| oiaohm | ie Execution was avoidable. | Dec 31 10:06 |
| oiaohm | Now of he can be proven not to be menteally ill he still would have been killed. | Dec 31 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I'd prefer execution to spending the next 60 years or so of my life in Richmond or Terre Haute, Indiana in their state mental hostpitals | Dec 31 10:07 |
| oiaohm | The china system someone has to take responsablity for something. | Dec 31 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | they abuse patients in all kinds of ways | Dec 31 10:07 |
| oiaohm | Ie either for him being on the street in the first place or the crime. | Dec 31 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | they use antipsychotics as chemical restraints for patients who are minor-to-moderate | Dec 31 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | just to shut them up | Dec 31 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | the orderlies sexually abuse women | Dec 31 10:08 |
| oiaohm | You could opt to stay in the china ones if you were caught there since the USA ones were incompent and too likely to let you excape. | Dec 31 10:09 |
| oiaohm | Now I don't think being in china's one would be better. | Dec 31 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure the ones in China are worse | Dec 31 10:09 |
| oiaohm | really sadly enough China mental ill treatment could be better. | Dec 31 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Because there is a responiblity thing is there. | Dec 31 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Most countries are getting the stupidity make up a execuse then no one has to be responible. | Dec 31 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically the britsh killed there own cit because no one would execpt resoniblity for failing to care for him or something. | Dec 31 10:14 |
| kecskebak | amarsh04: Sorry, I didn't say hello - I missed it! | Dec 31 10:14 |
| kecskebak | I wasn't being rude, honest | Dec 31 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Australia currently has a business man if he loses in china will go on death row as well. He is going to be a lot harder to get back. DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:15 |
| amarsh04 | no worries kecskebak (-: | Dec 31 10:16 |
| kecskebak | Just been blogging about Wine | Dec 31 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I just wouldn't go to any country I reasonably expected to arrest me on bogus charges | Dec 31 10:16 |
| amarsh04 | the package, or vino? (-: | Dec 31 10:16 |
| kecskebak | The package - I very, very rarely drink | Dec 31 10:17 |
| kecskebak | Only a bit of Tokaji on Christmas and Birthdays | Dec 31 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Chine's legal system is that you're guilty when the state accuses you, you get a show trial (usually) where you must prove your innocence | Dec 31 10:17 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: the charges are not exactly bogus. China has different business rules to Australia. What he did would have been purely legal. | Dec 31 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | Much harder to win a criminal court case in China than most Western countries | Dec 31 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Here. | Dec 31 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | *Chaina's | Dec 31 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | *China's even | Dec 31 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 31 10:18 |
| oiaohm | China either you must prove crime did not happen or that someone else was responsable. | Dec 31 10:18 |
| oiaohm | And a list of who could possiuable be responsable must be provied. | Dec 31 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Its a lot stricter legal system DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | the US system says you're presumed innocent, you can't be compelled to talk to the police or testify against yourself, and that the state has to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt in front of a jury | Dec 31 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's a lot different in China | Dec 31 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see how many people are found innocent in China | Dec 31 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | 1-2% maybe? | Dec 31 10:19 |
| oiaohm | More are found innocent in china than the USA DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Mostly due to incompetent repesntation in the USA. | Dec 31 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | in China, I don't even think they have to get a warrant or have probable cause | Dec 31 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | the police want to search, they'll break in and search | Dec 31 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | and you better not get in their way | Dec 31 10:20 |
| oiaohm | yet if the police break anything they are responsablite to replace it. DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | their Constitutional right that they do have, were added in the last 20 years, largely modeled after the US constitution | Dec 31 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | and are not enforced | Dec 31 10:21 |
| oiaohm | China is a responsablity based system. | Dec 31 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'd visit or live on Taiwan, but I wouldn't set foot in the Chinese mainland | Dec 31 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | I know how easy it is to get in trouble on trumped up charges there | Dec 31 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Same happens in the USA DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Now if you get off in china the person who pushed charages against you has to take responsablity. | Dec 31 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | China is far more corrupt, they censor everything, they have one party in control, they outlawed all other parties | Dec 31 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Basically no matter what happens in china someone will be paying. | Dec 31 10:23 |
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| DaemonFC | when the party wants anything, they get it | Dec 31 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | there are no protections of even basic human rights | Dec 31 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Really that has changed a little with the downturn. | Dec 31 10:24 |
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| DaemonFC | iron fist | Dec 31 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Iron fist has not been used against protestors over not getting paid and the like. | Dec 31 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | you really have to feel sorry for the people that have to live with that and be brainwashed every day | Dec 31 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | who have no standard of living | Dec 31 10:25 |
| oiaohm | The old responsablity based system of china is slowly becoming more dominate there. | Dec 31 10:26 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: China is not a communist system, it reminds me a lot of the United States before labor unions formed | Dec 31 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Ie someone does not pay they should expect protests to get money. ie they were not responable so brought problem on self. | Dec 31 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | demanding worker protection laws | Dec 31 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | China is free market capitalism, a few very wealthy "barons" and a bunch of peasants | Dec 31 10:26 |
| oiaohm | The worker protection laws in china are all based on responsablity. | Dec 31 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | they are a sham | Dec 31 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | there's no laws that really guarantee minimum wage, worker compensation, there's no really "OSHA" type agency | Dec 31 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | no laws to protect the environment | Dec 31 10:28 |
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| oiaohm | No minimum wage correct. | Dec 31 10:28 |
| oiaohm | But there is if you promise to pay something you must DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | the Chinese have a minimum wage that's roughly 25 cents and hour (US) and most are paid less than that | Dec 31 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie responsablity based. No execuses. | Dec 31 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | as little as half of that or less | Dec 31 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | *an | Dec 31 10:28 |
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| oiaohm | Note not by law DaemonFC by goverment recommendation the min wage is 25 cents per hour DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: They pay it, but they take out for rotten food in the plant cafeteria | Dec 31 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Lot of farming places in china don't use moeny. | Dec 31 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | and deductions to live in a packed dormitory | Dec 31 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | you get virtually nothing more than that | Dec 31 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | google ipod city | Dec 31 10:30 |
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| oiaohm | You see the same kind of things happing to backpackers in places in the USA DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:31 |
| oiaohm | You are making out the worse parts of china are bad. There are bad parts in every country. | Dec 31 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'm saying I'd be too afraid to even set foot there | Dec 31 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | not as afraid as I would be in Somalia, but I'm still not going :P | Dec 31 10:32 |
| oiaohm | China is one of the few places that if someone asks for a bribe and you pay it you can end up in jail. | Dec 31 10:33 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm sure their elected officials get bribed anyway | Dec 31 10:34 |
| oiaohm | The anti bribe law comes from hong kong | Dec 31 10:35 |
| oiaohm | To prevent elected Officials getting bribed. | Dec 31 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Mind you the elected Official is legally allowed to keep the money if they turn you who decide to pay the bribe in. | Dec 31 10:36 |
| oiaohm | One of the best anti bribe laws I have ever seen invented. | Dec 31 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | so if I bribe him with $1 million and he turns me in, he keeps it? | Dec 31 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Yep DaemonFC | Dec 31 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | heh, I'd take a bribe like that and turn someone in | Dec 31 10:39 |
| oiaohm | So basically its normal to be asked for bribes over there and for no one to pay. | Dec 31 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Since giving the bribe you can almost 100 percent bet you are screwed. | Dec 31 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Best way to stop bribes is to make it advantage to one party in the bribe giving to double cross. | Dec 31 10:40 |
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| oiaohm | Basically china is not as corrupted as lot of USA are lead to believe. Some of there laws cutting the problems work very well. | Dec 31 10:41 |
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| oiaohm | Of course before going there it pays to understand the laws you are walking into DaemonFC. | Dec 31 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes funny enough over in china asking for a bribe is not illegal. Paying the bribe is. | Dec 31 10:43 |
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| oiaohm | Also providing what the bribe was for is also illegal. So you bribe to get something threw the system quicky it must be rejected. | Dec 31 10:44 |
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| DaemonFC_ | oiaohm: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8073793&postcount=2 | Dec 31 11:10 |
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| DaemonFC_ | What the hell is that cradle for? | Dec 31 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Hehe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mw1ARQc7vw | Dec 31 11:10 |
| DaemonFC_ | I found one refurbished but it says there's no cradle | Dec 31 11:10 |
| DaemonFC_ | this Netgear thing just bombed out on me | Dec 31 11:11 |
| DaemonFC_ | I have a PCI wifi adapter but I don't have any PCI ports | Dec 31 11:11 |
| oiaohm | The cradle has a sticky back on it DaemonFC_ | Dec 31 11:13 |
| oiaohm | So you can glue it to hold it at a good angle for single. | Dec 31 11:13 |
| DaemonFC_ | well, it has another USB plug there | Dec 31 11:13 |
| DaemonFC_ | is that some kind of crossover then? | Dec 31 11:13 |
| DaemonFC_ | don't really need it? | Dec 31 11:13 |
| DaemonFC_ | put it to you this way, it's all of about $8 and it's linux compatible without dicking around | Dec 31 11:14 |
| oiaohm | The last one I had was just a fancy USB cable. | Dec 31 11:14 |
| DaemonFC_ | I'd love to buy it if I don't need the dock | Dec 31 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Ie the dock one fancy USB cable. | Dec 31 11:14 |
| DaemonFC_ | so it's fine without it? | Dec 31 11:14 |
| oiaohm | With a stick to item block at 90 degree to plug. | Dec 31 11:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Dec 31 11:15 |
| DaemonFC_ | I wonder if it works with Windows 7 | Dec 31 11:15 |
| DaemonFC_ | it was dc'd a while back | Dec 31 11:15 |
| oiaohm | Most likely. | Dec 31 11:15 |
| DaemonFC_ | maybe there's a Vista driver floating around that I can repurpose | Dec 31 11:15 |
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| oiaohm | It does have a vista driver. | Dec 31 11:15 |
| oiaohm | And windows 7 did not touch the networking stack so it should work. | Dec 31 11:15 |
| DaemonFC_ | NDIS hasn't changed a whole lot, and 7 supports it all the way back to Windows XP drivers | Dec 31 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true. | Dec 31 11:16 |
| DaemonFC_ | so if I reeeeeealllly had to.... | Dec 31 11:16 |
| oiaohm | a few NDIS drivers did not live because of the network stack change between XP and Vista. | Dec 31 11:16 |
| oiaohm | NDIS from NT4 to XP was stable. | Dec 31 11:16 |
| DaemonFC_ | I was gonna say, I've used XP network drivers on Vista before | Dec 31 11:16 |
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| DaemonFC_ | manufacturers like to phase out driver support, and leave you with a nice brick | Dec 31 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Just be aware if you have strange network things happen and you have a Xp driver installed in vista or latter remove it. | Dec 31 11:17 |
| DaemonFC_ | I'm actually questioning more whether this will work on Windows | Dec 31 11:17 |
| DaemonFC_ | :P | Dec 31 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Most fun was acting as a packet repeater. | Dec 31 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes a 1 Gb network card mirroing back every packet it got. | Dec 31 11:18 |
| oiaohm | From a XP driver in Vista. | Dec 31 11:18 |
| DaemonFC_ | so NDIS was stable between Vista and 7 though right? | Dec 31 11:18 |
| oiaohm | And for some reason the Vista machine could not connect. Problem was quite overse. | Dec 31 11:18 |
| DaemonFC_ | so if you have a Vista driver, you're good? | Dec 31 11:18 |
| oiaohm | Vista 2008 and Windows 7 are basically the same network stack. | Dec 31 11:19 |
| oiaohm | 2010 server should also be the same network stack. | Dec 31 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 did change some locks. | Dec 31 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Odds are with you that a vista driver will work. | Dec 31 11:19 |
| DaemonFC_ | unless you know a better model that will work between Windows 7 and Linux | Dec 31 11:22 |
| DaemonFC_ | without horrible ndiswrapper this, and mysteriously stops working later that | Dec 31 11:22 |
| DaemonFC_ | this Netgear thing is horrid | Dec 31 11:23 |
| DaemonFC_ | it blue screens Windows and Linux just doesn't know what in the hell it is | Dec 31 11:23 |
| oiaohm | That is something I have found as well with them. | Dec 31 11:24 |
| oiaohm | If Linux kernel don't support a wireless card run. Because the company is not interested in supporting there device. | Dec 31 11:25 |
| DaemonFC_ | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833314011 | Dec 31 11:26 |
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| DaemonFC_ | What about this? | Dec 31 11:26 |
| DaemonFC_ | some chatter on Ubuntu Forums leads me to believe it may work | Dec 31 11:27 |
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| DaemonFC_ | hmmmm | Dec 31 11:28 |
| DaemonFC_ | oiaohm: Walmart says they have it in stock at the local supercenter | Dec 31 11:29 |
| DaemonFC_ | it's $28.62, and I happen to have a $20 gift card from Christmas | Dec 31 11:29 |
| DaemonFC_ | :) | Dec 31 11:29 |
| DaemonFC_ | I was thinking of the XBOX 360 sale as an excuse to just go back to nothing Microsoft in my home | Dec 31 11:30 |
| DaemonFC_ | it's just difficult when someone else insists on using software that only works on Windows and if you switch, it'll break | Dec 31 11:31 |
| DaemonFC_ | I suppose I could just compromise and keep my laptop running XP since it's stuck there anyway | Dec 31 11:31 |
| DaemonFC_ | hmmm, also found an $11 no name that's supported | Dec 31 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, mikey | Dec 31 12:43 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Slashdot Idle Story | USPTO Awards LOL Patent To IBM #outlawstory http://tinyurl.com/yfoa2pt | Dec 31 12:45 | |
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| DaemonFC_ | these people that call into CSPAN scare me | Dec 31 12:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/12/31/0129252/Russia-Plans-To-Divert-Asteroid | Dec 31 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC_: check it out. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8417510.stm | Dec 31 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | Your nation spreads the luv | Dec 31 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Why pay high wages? | Dec 31 13:00 |
| DaemonFC_ | Yeah, let them come here and send all the money back home | Dec 31 13:01 |
| DaemonFC_ | is more like what they're doing | Dec 31 13:01 |
| DaemonFC_ | you can't be a success for too long before all the little piranha fish start nibbling away at you | Dec 31 13:03 |
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| DaemonFC | the world goes and buys from whoever is cheapest apparently | Dec 31 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | quality and service don't even factor in | Dec 31 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | who knew? | Dec 31 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | You just know that all those XBOX 360 failures were caused by cheap cut-rate Chinese components | Dec 31 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | that's also ho you get spaghetti BIOS code with a lot of vestigial crap that doesn't even do anything but wait around to cause trouble | Dec 31 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | There's a lot of programmers in China, but not a lot of good ones | Dec 31 13:08 |
| oiaohm | foxconn was the maker. DaemonFC | Dec 31 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | slap you together something that only crashes for no reason "sometimes" | Dec 31 13:08 |
| oiaohm | They are not known for building great stuff unless the ordering company provide Quality control. | Dec 31 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Foxconn is scary | Dec 31 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | look at how they did up their website | Dec 31 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | and I shouldn't need to tell you anymore past that | Dec 31 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Foxconn can make good things. | Dec 31 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Solid dependable things. | Dec 31 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | you mean if you buy something they made themselves, it might explode | Dec 31 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | but if a company that cares about their reputation looks it over first, it may not | Dec 31 13:09 |
| oiaohm | But if they are left to there own devices they take the cheepest and scary item on earth. | Dec 31 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | *made for themselves | Dec 31 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | Foxconn makes everything from ipods to XBOX 360s | Dec 31 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Think about this PS3 and Wii were made by Foxconn as well. | Dec 31 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | they also make PS3s and Wiis, but the Wii only has a 2% failure rate | Dec 31 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Sony and Netendo was not stupid they did there own quality control. | Dec 31 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | so you figure that Microsoft was content with cutting corners and Foxconn did | Dec 31 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | and thats wh ythe 360 is crap | Dec 31 13:11 |
| oiaohm | By what foxconn can build and it work. It says exactly that. | Dec 31 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Something foxconn is good at is finding the cheapest way to make items. | Dec 31 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Unforntarly quality and price are linked and sometimes something is too cheap. | Dec 31 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Defecting to that a china based company that can make good products when you do QA is basically a MS way of getting out of there responsablity for problem. | Dec 31 13:16 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @remin: Cleaning Lady Attack Possible on !Debian and !Ubuntu Desktop http://tinyurl.com/yzsdn7g | Dec 31 13:29 | |
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| schestowitz | just got this: | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > BTW yesterday evening I went into town for the first time since well | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > before Christmas. In the big shopping centers, they were all sold out | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > of Wii's and mostly sold out of Wii accessories. Only a handful of PS3s | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > were left. The Wii games were mostly sold out. The PS3 games were | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > nearly sold out. The PS2 games were mostly sold out. The Xbox and | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > related materials looked like they hadn't been touched since delivery. | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > So I was going to warn about a tsunami of articles plugging Xbox, which | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > rides last after Wii, PS2 and PS3. I should have sent the message last | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > night because the flood has started. The ergonomics of the xbox is | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > clunky, the power supply is infamous for setting houses and apartments | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > on fire, and the rest of the hardware is known to destroy game disks or | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > freeze with the red ring o death. The last time I saw a "running" xbox | Dec 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > on display was also the last time I saw red ring o death. For years, if | Dec 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > there is a ps2 or ps3, the kids will stand in line to use it rather than | Dec 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > go to the unoccupied xbox. | Dec 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Dec 31 13:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: 2009: A breakthrough year for mobile Linux - http://bit.ly/4MM8CB excellent review of Linux-based mobiles, e-readers, tablets | Dec 31 14:01 | |
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| kecskebak | Glyn also blogged about GNU/Linux being used for the Smurfs remake today as well | Dec 31 14:22 |
| kecskebak | Even using GNU/Linux, they couldn't get the beard right for Father Abraham... | Dec 31 14:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Heavens to Helen Murgatroyd, exit, stage left even! http://tinyurl.com/ygnca39 | Dec 31 14:30 | |
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| kecskebak | Swine Flu? Swine bollocks. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16667 | Dec 31 15:10 |
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| DaemonFC | Between Windows and Comcast, I really am surprised I'm able to remain online as much as I manage | Dec 31 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | that one was Comcast saying good morning with a two hour outage | Dec 31 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | or as I like to put it "Reminding me why I pay them" | Dec 31 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | so I go to the gas station to get a pop to drink while I wait | Dec 31 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | and I can't pay for it because their credit card processing system goes over a Comcast internet connection | Dec 31 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | but I got a free 44 ounce diet mountain dew out of it because they didn't warn me their credit card processor didn't work | Dec 31 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That should tell you how much of a monopoly Comcast has here | Dec 31 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | that they're able to screw everyone over this badly this often and people still pay them | Dec 31 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's worse than Microsoft, because instead of not realizing they have alternatives, there is no alternative | Dec 31 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | if there was a rating scale for evil monopolies 1-10, Microsoft would probably be a 7 and Comcast would be a 9 | Dec 31 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast and AT&T are acting as a cartel to provide bad service and high prices | Dec 31 15:25 |
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| MinceR | lol | Dec 31 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: lol? | Dec 31 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | what are you lol-ing about? | Dec 31 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | I called and cussed them out is what I did | Dec 31 15:32 |
| MinceR | about the credit card issue and the slight compensation | Dec 31 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | they wanted to set up the service appointment for 3-5 PM SUNDAY | Dec 31 15:32 |
| MinceR | you get screwed at home by comcast, and then go out and get screwed anyway | Dec 31 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Yeah, wasn't all bad though | Dec 31 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | gave me an excuse to go to Walmart | Dec 31 15:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 31 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | buy the New Super Mario Bros | Dec 31 15:33 |
| MinceR | oh. | Dec 31 15:33 |
| MinceR | i wondered what's so great about going to walmart | Dec 31 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that I had a $20 giftcard to squander on something from Christmas | Dec 31 15:33 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 31 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | paid for like, some, of that game :D | Dec 31 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | that was the only game I wanted on my list that I couldn't really save anything on online | Dec 31 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to get Metroid Trilogy for $35 and Madworld for $12, both new | Dec 31 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | that's $50 and $20 at the store | Dec 31 15:35 |
| MinceR | so you don't get to choose between internet access media (cable, dsl, cell phone, whatever) or they're all covered by comcast? | Dec 31 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | I've always wondered how they get away with charging $50 for a video game, as I was pulling out my debit card to pay $50 for the video game | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | then again, almost all the DSL services here are practically provided by Deutsche Telekom regardless of which ISP you choose | Dec 31 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Comcast or AT&T | Dec 31 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's the same price, the same bad service | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | but there's only one of comcast and at&t in any given area? | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | or they're just the same | Dec 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | here we only get one cable tv provider per area | Dec 31 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Whose corporate logo do you want on your outrageous bill for your crappy service. | Dec 31 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | That's the choice | Dec 31 15:37 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 31 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: What they do is they make it so their price for one thing goes up if you don't buy everything else from them | Dec 31 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | so like my internet would be $57 a month | Dec 31 15:38 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 31 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | but if I buy their TV, it goes down to $42 a month for internet | Dec 31 15:38 |
| MinceR | last time i checked they tend to simply force another "service" on you if you want internet access | Dec 31 15:38 |
| MinceR | here | Dec 31 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | so if I go buy TV from a satellite company, I don't get the "discount" for internet from Comcast | Dec 31 15:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] The measure of a truely bad movie, is one you won't even download p2p for a one off showing, your time and bandwidth are not worth it | Dec 31 15:39 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Comcast's VOIP is badly overpriced even with the "discount" for having TV and internet | Dec 31 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | you'll pay half as much through Skype | Dec 31 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I don't have all of them | Dec 31 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing they give you as an incentive to have Comcast phone service is a bill credit for one free On Demand movie each month | Dec 31 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | which isn't worth it | Dec 31 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | cause the On Demand movies cost three times as much as going to the video store | Dec 31 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | so they'll tell you it's a $6 a month value when it only costs $2 to rent a movie overnight on DVD | Dec 31 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | or sometimes not more than $15 to own the DVD outright | Dec 31 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | you get a deal good enough online, you can grab the DVD used for as much as it takes to rent it on Comcast | Dec 31 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | so people with Comcast phone get screwed even worse than other Comcast customers | Dec 31 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | My mom was talking to them and they threatened to raise her other stuff if she ditched Comcast phone, so I talked to them and got them to get rid of it and lower her bill by how much they were charging for the phone service | Dec 31 15:44 |
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| DaemonFC | I asked her why the hell she was paying them $40 a month for the phone part of the bill when she has a cell phone | Dec 31 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast will cheat you blind every time they think that you're not looking or are stupid enough to believe them | Dec 31 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | they have high pressure salespeople that they transfer you to who will lie to you if you ask to cut off part of your service | Dec 31 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Cheat, Steal, Lie, Negotiate in that order is how I think Comcast's retention agents do things | Dec 31 15:48 |
| MinceR | i get the picture | Dec 31 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | if they cheat you and you call to complain, they'll try to offer you a deal with lets them take more from you, if you call them on that, they lie, and if their lies don't work, they negotiate "discounts" | Dec 31 15:49 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Happy new year folks :-) | Dec 31 15:49 | |
| DaemonFC | *which lets them | Dec 31 15:49 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] After several days reading my tweets and dents got airtel 95rs internet :-) | Dec 31 15:54 | |
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| Omar87 | hi | Dec 31 16:09 |
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| DaemonFC | "Games for little girls" was one of Google's search suggestions | Dec 31 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | wonder if it would have come up with Halo 2 on the top | Dec 31 16:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 31 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | just hit buttons, you'll win eventually | Dec 31 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | Halo 2 reminded me of those crane games for kids where nobody loses | Dec 31 16:32 |
| MinceR | sounds like a beat-em-up | Dec 31 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Halo 2's aiming system "compensated" | Dec 31 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | so if you missed someone with like, a sniper rifle, it would treat it as a headshot | Dec 31 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | even if you missed by a foot or so | Dec 31 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | the targeting system made everybody good at Halo 2 :) | Dec 31 16:34 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 31 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | the targeting system in HALO was alright, but they would put Banshees on the map that didn't get destroyed if you crashed them into the ground | Dec 31 16:35 |
| MinceR | well, it's for idiots who think you can adequately control an FPS with a gamepad | Dec 31 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | so people would just start flying around ramming people | Dec 31 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | and would fly off if you managed to start hitting them and damaging their shield | Dec 31 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | then they released HALO 3 which was like 3 hours long | Dec 31 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 31 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | I don't remember quite how long it took me to beat HALO but it was a lot longer than HALO 3 | Dec 31 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Should BN state its goals more clearly? | Dec 31 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | and the battle at the end was more satisfying | Dec 31 16:37 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking about it, some people are wrongly assume we're some kind of an 'extension' of FSF philosophy | Dec 31 16:37 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: hi | Dec 31 16:38 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: If people thinks that way thats good right? | Dec 31 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The Mac version of Halo was actually the best of the three | Dec 31 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Microsoft will never admit that | Dec 31 16:38 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: Happy new near | Dec 31 16:38 |
| zer0c00l | *year | Dec 31 16:38 |
| schestowitz | But personally, I am mostly against criminals who belong in a jail cell going out there and destroying good products. Secondary is of course technology people control, to prevent criminals from owning this market. | Dec 31 16:38 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: you too, for use there's 7.5 hours left | Dec 31 16:39 |
| schestowitz | /use/us/ | Dec 31 16:39 |
| zer0c00l | hehehe | Dec 31 16:39 |
| zer0c00l | ok | Dec 31 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Would you expect a company to do anything less than what Microsoft is doing to undermine their competitors? | Dec 31 16:39 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: does the xbox version support keyboard+mouse? :) | Dec 31 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Not sure about the significance of this arbitrary thing though | Dec 31 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Nope | Dec 31 16:39 |
| schestowitz | What is "new year" | Dec 31 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The Mac version, for me, ran the smoothest of all of them | Dec 31 16:40 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: Jan 1 | Dec 31 16:40 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Dec 31 16:40 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: a counter is incremented :> | Dec 31 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Earth reaching roughly -- just roughly -- same position in orbit around the star called "Sun", since we started keeping track | Dec 31 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think the framerate was set higher | Dec 31 16:40 |
| schestowitz | But not same absolute position in space | Dec 31 16:40 |
| schestowitz | We keep drifting further and further away from the centre of the galaxy, so we're not even ending up in the same position | Dec 31 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | The XBOX version had no Live support and ran at 640 x 480, obviously | Dec 31 16:40 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they need a GNU/Linux port, like the predecessor (Marathon) had | Dec 31 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Our entire milky way and Solar System drift away in relative harmony | Dec 31 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Russia is already planning some good use of those nasty nukes | Dec 31 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Some asteroid they want to deflect | Dec 31 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Bungie is too contaminated by Microsoft now | Dec 31 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is all they're ever going to release for | Dec 31 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Send all the plutonium there.. good riddance | Dec 31 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Nuclear power is unsafe and has byproducts anyway | Dec 31 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz You mean Apophis, which has a 1 in 250,000 chance of hitting us, 26 years from now? | Dec 31 16:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: other companies didn't do like Microsoft | Dec 31 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Apple may be doing it in some markets and IBM as well | Dec 31 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | I thought Bruce Willis was going to take care of that | Dec 31 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Dec 31 16:42 |
| schestowitz | But they rely on secret s/w to do this | Dec 31 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Software is not property | Dec 31 16:42 |
| schestowitz | No more than I own 1+@ | Dec 31 16:42 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i know | Dec 31 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: If you wrote it, you have the copyright on it | Dec 31 16:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: maybe they'll kill bungie like they killed ensemble | Dec 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Strudel | Dec 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Well... | Dec 31 16:43 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll also buy and kill epic | Dec 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | One plus strudel is just a thought | Dec 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I can't own it | Dec 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Owning atoms of the planet is odd too | Dec 31 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: If I wrote software and did not include a license specifying what you can do with it, I can still sue you | Dec 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | But that can at least be justified because they are scarce | Dec 31 16:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Bruce will have died by then | Dec 31 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | all rights to the software you write stay with you unless you specify what the user can and cannot do | Dec 31 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Probably one of those ecstasy parties they have in Hollywood | Dec 31 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | like, I can include a license with the software stating I release it directly into the public domain | Dec 31 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | that gives the entire public the right to do what they want with it | Dec 31 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: All software, even GPL'd would go into the public domain eventually | Dec 31 16:46 |
| schestowitz | What would happen if all nations put together their nuclear arsenal and sent it to explode on Mars? | Dec 31 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | it may be your grandchildren that see it happen though | Dec 31 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Radiation will pass after many years and maybe the debris can transform the climate there? | Dec 31 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The nuclear warheads are more valuable here | Dec 31 16:46 |
| schestowitz | The issue there is too cold at night and hot at day, how can oxygen be bred? | Dec 31 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | if there was a global disarmament agreement, they'd most likely use the warheads as fuel for nuclear power plants | Dec 31 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Mars is far away, there's little to lose by trying | Dec 31 16:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what does the material turn to when it's waste? | Dec 31 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm not a nuclear scientist and it's hard to get access to this information for obvious reasons | Dec 31 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The number of warheads that are deployed has dropped from like 30,000 in my lifetime, to I think like 7,000 or so now | Dec 31 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Linus Pauling was sort of warned when he shared the composition required for something when the Cold War was raging | Dec 31 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitzIt's already enriched, we might as well do something useful with it | Dec 31 16:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the rest are buried somewhere ready to be retrieved | Dec 31 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Also, the bombs became a lot more powerful since then | Dec 31 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | I like the idea of all the power plants operating for 15 years off of it more than I like the idea that there's something out there that could kill everyone on the planet in less than 30 minutes | Dec 31 16:49 |
| schestowitz | SO basically, you don't know either | Dec 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to find out by googling it | Dec 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to get flagged by the neo-Statsi | Dec 31 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think I saw something a while back that said 15% of nuclear power in the US comes from scrapped Russian warheads | Dec 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | They'd assume anybody who searches for "Bomb" is a raving terror~1 and anyone looking for "games for wii" is a pedophile or something | Dec 31 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Search google for Bomberman for Wii | Dec 31 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Dec 31 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I actually don't like this idea of self-censorship and self-restraint caused by surveillance on the Web cause I can't look up information on nuclear energy without it being permanently logged in some USian DC | Dec 31 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | A pervert who wants to blow people up on the way to molest children | Dec 31 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Dec 31 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Dec 31 16:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they work on patterns | Dec 31 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Same in E-mail | Dec 31 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Some friends from University used to mess about with secret services by making funny sigs with lots of keywords, also in USENET | Dec 31 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's the problem with constitutions in countries that are hundreds of years old | Dec 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Making false flags to make the point that surveillance harms liberty | Dec 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Look at nmap ban | Dec 31 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | there gets to be new technology that it wasn't planned for | Dec 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Security researchers are not assumed to be crackers | Dec 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | So to avoid being wroing | Dec 31 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | there's new questions with that about what the government can do | Dec 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | So to avoid being wrongly banned they stay way from s/w | Dec 31 16:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yours can do anything | Dec 31 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft removing raw sockets in XP SP2 | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | The guy you shilled for extended and enhances marshal law | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Reduce-level marshal | Dec 31 16:54 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I started it with iconct09 in mepco, yet another conference website powered by drupal http://www.mepcoeng.ac.in:81/ncct10/ :D #mepco | Dec 31 16:54 | |
| schestowitz | P-AT-RIOT | Dec 31 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | They also have a private army | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Not the mercenary, the home troops with guns and no bullets | Dec 31 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the USA PATRIOT ACT was essentially an attempt to nullify the constitution by statute | Dec 31 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Army in costumes, to keep people frightened | Dec 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | People are taught not to interact with strangers, either | Dec 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Noami Wolf have given some talks about the ramificationa | Dec 31 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | they can't use the military to police, so they turn the police into a military force | Dec 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | They put her on 'the List' for it | Dec 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | They have toys now | Dec 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Tasers | Dec 31 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | the difference between a police officer and an army soldier can be as little as the vest saying "Police" or "US Army" | Dec 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz | It's like guns | Dec 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz | That you can play with at will | Dec 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz | It fries people without puncturing them | Dec 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Fun for the sadistic policemen/school dropout and a repressent for us | Dec 31 16:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: here in the UK there are civil guards | Dec 31 16:57 |
| schestowitz | And contracted stuff | Dec 31 16:57 |
| schestowitz | And contracted staff | Dec 31 16:57 |
| schestowitz | They wear almost the same uniform as police | Dec 31 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | so soldiers in police uniforms? | Dec 31 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | same as here? | Dec 31 16:57 |
| schestowitz | They have none of the same powers or authorities | Dec 31 16:57 |
| schestowitz | But people are not taught how to distingish | Dec 31 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I even see inspectors doing parking tickets looking just like cops | Dec 31 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | oh, so it's like pretend police officers paid to walk around and scare people? | Dec 31 16:58 |
| schestowitz | They hardly speak English some of them.... | Dec 31 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | I get what you were saying now then | Dec 31 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 31 16:58 |
| schestowitz | The police are seemingly everywhere this way | Dec 31 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | so what *can* they do? | Dec 31 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | they can't arrest you right? | Dec 31 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Constraining and calling the /REAL/ police for backup if required to do so | Dec 31 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | oh | Dec 31 16:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's not about arrest | Dec 31 16:59 |
| schestowitz | It's about authority | Dec 31 16:59 |
| schestowitz | THe consumes | Dec 31 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | so basically they can sit on you until the cops gt there? | Dec 31 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Police are seen as masculine | Dec 31 16:59 |
| schestowitz | The fire-fighter costume has some connnotation with other things now | Dec 31 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Village People didn't help :-) | Dec 31 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They do something similar here | Dec 31 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Firefighters are seen as gentle and benevolent | Dec 31 17:00 |
| schestowitz | They never arrest people | Dec 31 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | They'll prop up a cardboard cutout that looks like a sheriff's deputy on the top of buildings, like Walmart or whatever | Dec 31 17:00 |
| schestowitz | They never pin you to the ground and taser you | Dec 31 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | holding binoculars and staring down at you | Dec 31 17:00 |
| schestowitz | CCTV is probably not common in Indiana | Dec 31 17:01 |
| schestowitz | It's the ideas that all citizens are tracked all the time in the streets | Dec 31 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Only in stores and such | Dec 31 17:01 |
| *ThistleWeb has quit ("Lost terminal") | Dec 31 17:02 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They don't go to any trouble to hide the cameras there I suppose? | Dec 31 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | the point is for you to see them | Dec 31 17:02 |
| schestowitz | So if someone was to suspect I am connected with Bin Laden, they'll find footage with 1 year ago of me walking past a Muslim gathering... as in matching wrong hypothesis to some sighting | Dec 31 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Lots of information and sightings enable fabricating things | Dec 31 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Fit to required outcome | Dec 31 17:03 |
| schestowitz | That's what many people don't understand | Dec 31 17:03 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, then they could turn the public against you | Dec 31 17:03 |
| schestowitz | They think ythe police don't frame people to give the public a "we got the criminals!" story | Dec 31 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | playing it on the news over and over | Dec 31 17:03 |
| schestowitz | They do it to celebs here | Dec 31 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Watch how they turn against people if they say the wrong thing | Dec 31 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Or if the public wants to see them fail for a feelgood | Dec 31 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you should probably watch what you say to the police | Dec 31 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | don't want to give them some excuse to bother you more than they are going to | Dec 31 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Then they find some drug incident from the person's distant past or some made up "scandal" and use the Murdoch machine to defame | Dec 31 17:04 |
| schestowitz | The tabloids do this | Dec 31 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Watch what La-Toya Jackson (From Indiana IIRC) did to her brother and father | Dec 31 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | Rupert Murdoch reminds me of that James Bond movie, Tomorrow Never Dies | Dec 31 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 31 17:05 |
| schestowitz | He never died, does he? | Dec 31 17:05 |
| schestowitz | The neo-cons need to regain power again | Dec 31 17:06 |
| schestowitz | He'll buy a new heart to ensure they regain in 2012 and bankrupt the nation *and* the dollar | Dec 31 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Then he can go back to chasing dingos :-) | Dec 31 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I meant the villain in Tomorrow Never Dies | Dec 31 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that | Dec 31 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | running a news organization where he makes everything up | Dec 31 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I saw this movie so long ago that I can't remember the guy | Dec 31 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | He doesn't make up | Dec 31 17:07 |
| schestowitz | They bring k00ks | Dec 31 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Did you see what happened when they brought in this loud person who said Obama was a communist Maxist? | Dec 31 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | He has this big stealth bot out in the South China Sea | Dec 31 17:07 |
| schestowitz | *Marxist | Dec 31 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Hannity was having a field day nodding | Dec 31 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | he provokes the British and Chinese to a standoff | Dec 31 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Just like he brought her to proxify for his smears.... very Fox-y | Dec 31 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | then fires on the Chinese to make it look like the British did it | Dec 31 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Chinese is cmeared here now | Dec 31 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | he wants to start a shooting war between them so he has exclusives for his news network and the Chinese government will let him expand into China or something | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Some doper executed ui China | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I say, "big deal" | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | He did commit the crime and this is one person amogn 1.2 bn | Dec 31 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | nobody is going to go past trading words over that, schestowitz | Dec 31 17:09 |
| *wallc_ has quit (Client Quit) | Dec 31 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | They dramatis/glamourise stories in the press to create incitation vs CHina | Dec 31 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | your government doesn't really care, it's all PR | Dec 31 17:09 |
| schestowitz | China kicks our arse, we get it | Dec 31 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | imagine how pissed people would be if your government did nothing | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | They close the coal mines up north | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | So what's left is marketing and import here, fine | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | And selling imaginary things like "Stocks" down in London skyscraper | Dec 31 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | that's really where it's at now | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | paper-pushing labour | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he did commit a crime | Dec 31 17:10 |
| schestowitz | And in China | Dec 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | IMHO, he should have known better | Dec 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I call it, Darwin Award | Dec 31 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the EU has something against giving criminals the death sentence | Dec 31 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | makes them squirm | Dec 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | But the press in the West, which I didn't follow on this, made it seem like case of the decade | Dec 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | No reason, IMHO | Dec 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Virginia shoooting.... how about covering the atrocities of China earthquakes | Dec 31 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | personally, I think it's funny | Dec 31 17:11 |
| schestowitz | /Far/ more deaths there | Dec 31 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | the UK is a police state with major objections to the death sentence | Dec 31 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | kind of funny when you say it that way | Dec 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you know why it's like this in EU? | Dec 31 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | liberals | Dec 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they worry for themselves | Dec 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Criminals don't want to punish criminals too severely | Dec 31 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | nah, people over there won't start an uprising | Dec 31 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | they aren't armed even if they wanted to | Dec 31 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | just their handlers that took the civilians weaponry | Dec 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | So if they are brought to tribunals like Milosevich, they can then go tom the cushy jail they helped create A | Dec 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | A la Madoff | Dec 31 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: 2nd Amendment may well be the reason we don't have those kinds of in your face abuses here | Dec 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Imagine, what if Blair had war crime rules applied to him... | Dec 31 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think we'd tolerate that | Dec 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Or Bush... | Dec 31 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Bush actually ordered or endorsed TX execution | Dec 31 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Governors cannot order an execution | Dec 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Under his buddy' (Arnie's) watch it was the same in CA | Dec 31 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | They have the ability to pardon or commute | Dec 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I think they can veto it | Dec 31 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: So like if I was a governor and you get the death sentence, I could pardon you | Dec 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Either way, critics exist who say that Bush is partly repsonsible | Dec 31 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | or if I think you are guilty but the court went way too far, I could commute the sentence | Dec 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | But it's nowhere like the execution of innocent civilians for Big Oil companies | Dec 31 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | say "No, he gets life in prison" or "20 years" instead | Dec 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Bush doesn't think like this though | Dec 31 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | a governor has the ability to shorten or forgive a sentence already imposed | Dec 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | It's complicated to him | Dec 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | He's a Stalin-like character, with blacks and whites | Dec 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Stalin saw people as good or bad | Dec 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Binary | Dec 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | And if he thought you, his friend, was a a dominant risk, he'd have you eliminated | Dec 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Two death | Dec 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Two deaths | Dec 31 17:16 |
| schestowitz | First the physical death | Dec 31 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Then removal or records and brushing off photos | Dec 31 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I don't know what I'd do as governor, I'd probably let the execution proceed if I thought they really did it | Dec 31 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | pardon and commutation are there to correct for malfunctions in the legal system | Dec 31 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Bush takes the approach that (and I quote) "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists" | Dec 31 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | not to let the governor take on the role of judge | Dec 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | If you say this to to people in South America, it's all reversed | Dec 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Because to them, the country which committed terror against them decades ago was the US | Dec 31 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have a feeling if the governor started pardoning people right and left, he would be impeached | Dec 31 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | for abusing his power | Dec 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 31 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | federal pardons are typically doled out en masse by a second term president who is on his way out anyway | Dec 31 17:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/31/tobacco_biofuel/ | Dec 31 17:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Tobacco biofuel to solve energy/environment crisis? • The Register .::. Size~: 27.24 KB | Dec 31 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Cigarettes to save the planet! :-) | Dec 31 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Governors don't know the cases though | Dec 31 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Indiana has only executed 2 people in 10 years | Dec 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | They can be lobbied and serves sob stories from mothers | Dec 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Like Ted Bundy's mom | Dec 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Now it's McKinnon | Dec 31 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | 3 if you count the feds executing Timothy McVeigh here | Dec 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | But he's just a playful hacker, not a murderer | Dec 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | The FBI just needs a scapegoat | Dec 31 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Indiana tends to reserve the death penalty for the worst of the worst | Dec 31 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Texas just goes for it for every crime that has it as a possibility | Dec 31 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Not just Texas | Dec 31 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | they execute at least 20-30 people for every 1 that we do | Dec 31 17:21 |
| schestowitz | I've heard stories form friend | Dec 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | *from a | Dec 31 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Sloppy driving can get you death sentence | Dec 31 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | it cannot | Dec 31 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | vehicular manslaughter maxes out at life in prison | Dec 31 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | you usually get 20 years | Dec 31 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | In Indiana, you'd probably get 20, serve 10 | Dec 31 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | have 10 years suspended | Dec 31 17:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/31/lithuania_nuclear_plant/ | Dec 31 17:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Lithuania hits off switch on nuclear plant • The Register .::. Size~: 22.1 KB | Dec 31 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana has a policy that you only serve half of whatever you were sentenced to if you're on good behavior, schestowitz | Dec 31 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | so if I get sentenced to 12 months for a Class A Misdemeanor, I'd only do 6 | Dec 31 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | if I gave alcohol to a 18 year old, that's a D Misdemeanor with 30 days maximum | Dec 31 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd get 15 days | Dec 31 17:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567064/kingston-admits-insecure-usb-drives | Dec 31 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Some kids here try this | Dec 31 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I always decline of course, but they probably find another victim | Dec 31 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitzNebraska still has a death penalty but they also don't | Dec 31 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Kids trying to get booze by asking people should be giving a day's detention with slight caning or something | Dec 31 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | the only legal way to kill them was with the electric chair | Dec 31 17:26 |
| schestowitz | They play innocent and then end up putting people in prison with an arrest record | Dec 31 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | that was determined to be against their constitution | Dec 31 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz Texas has executed 405 since 1976 with 370 on death row | Dec 31 17:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17006/1/ | Dec 31 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana has executed 19 with 14 on death row | Dec 31 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | California has executed 13 with 669 on death row | Dec 31 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Dec 31 17:28 |
| schestowitz | What's with death row? | Dec 31 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | activist judges ftw | Dec 31 17:28 |
| schestowitz | If they're sentence to be executed, why the wait? | Dec 31 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | well, appeals for one | Dec 31 17:28 |
| schestowitz | So 669 in CA await appeals? | Dec 31 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | liberals suing the state | Dec 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Sounds more like loophole in a way | Dec 31 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | puts the whole system on hold | Dec 31 17:29 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Reading "2 states" by chetan bhagat. Hope i complete it within 3 days of holidays :) | Dec 31 17:29 | |
| schestowitz | Do they labour? | Dec 31 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes | Dec 31 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | depends on the state | Dec 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | The 'success' rate with crime there is juts constructing more prison facilities | Dec 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | It's no success | Dec 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Reforming people is success | Dec 31 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Not putting them in cells | Dec 31 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The system brands you when you get out so you can't go find a job | Dec 31 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Execution is just elimination of people that went rotten for whatever reason | Dec 31 17:30 |
| schestowitz | System/family/education to blame | Dec 31 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | then they act all surprised when the only way you can make a living is selling more drigs | Dec 31 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 31 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Or they go back to prison | Dec 31 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Military has correlation with jailing | Dec 31 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, over 90% of drug offenders go back | Dec 31 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Question is, does one lead to another? | Dec 31 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Like post-war trauma | Dec 31 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Or rather the opposite | Dec 31 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, sometimes you can join the military instead of going to prison | Dec 31 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I.e. improper people go to military | Dec 31 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Veterans IIRC are making militias there | Dec 31 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | no, it sends the right kind there | Dec 31 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | mindless sadistic killers | Dec 31 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Dec 31 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | the courtroom as a recruitment office | Dec 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Sujugation | Dec 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | some people still join the army voluntarily | Dec 31 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, when it's that or starve and go homeless | Dec 31 17:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: to some it's like execution with 'natural causes' | Dec 31 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | the military takes in mostly, criminals, the poor, and illegal aliens | Dec 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | They go to the battlefront\ | Dec 31 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The US volunteer military is more like the French Foreign Legion | Dec 31 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | pack it with people you don't give a shit about | Dec 31 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | send them off to die | Dec 31 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | people go there when they can't get a job anywhere else | Dec 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Like Hitler? | Dec 31 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt even half of them are there because they had options and chose the army | Dec 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | The story of his younger life until WW1 | Dec 31 17:34 |
| schestowitz | As I remember it, Hitler was trying to be a painter but he sucked and he could paint people, just scnary | Dec 31 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | world would be a different place if he succeeded as a painter | Dec 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | He was rejected in the schools in Austria, blamed it on "Jews" and then joined the army to fight in WW1 and survive many battles with no special role there, then getting some medal | Dec 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | But basically | Dec 31 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | people might even think of him fondly now | Dec 31 17:35 |
| schestowitz | He was a flunkie | Dec 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Someone who just couldn't do anything right | Dec 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | From art to artillery (heh. How apt) | Dec 31 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | Well, he got bitter and blamed his failings on the Jews | Dec 31 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | used his position later to "punish" them all | Dec 31 17:36 |
| schestowitz | He is said to be a quarter Jewish himself | Dec 31 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | make them pay for what they did to him | Dec 31 17:37 |
| schestowitz | So they suspect | Dec 31 17:37 |
| schestowitz | He didn't like his nose | Dec 31 17:37 |
| schestowitz | And one of the people closest to him, his niece IIRC, was to marry a guy in Austria | Dec 31 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | The only really good thing he did was stop paying war reparations for WW1 | Dec 31 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's what was bankrupting Germany | Dec 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | He was so furious that the guy was Jewish that the stories say he had her assassinated shortly afterwards... his closest family member almost | Dec 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | The decline of the currency is another issue | Dec 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, the US goes in the wrong direction too | Dec 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | And it build a form of private armies and surveillance | Dec 31 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Google gets a lot of flak from the nutter who think it's a front for the government | Dec 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | *nutters | Dec 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | CHina is less of a risk to the world, IMHO | Dec 31 17:39 |
| schestowitz | CHina only /starts/ to learn how to be an empire | Dec 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | It's having those escapades in Africa | Dec 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | For resources | Dec 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's learning from the neighbours across the Pacific | Dec 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Like the US learned from the UK | Dec 31 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Before the UK retreated and focused on the homeland rather than suppressive empires it eventually abandoned | Dec 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | No colonies anymore, except virtual ones | Dec 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | There is one country with military bases all over the world and it's not from Europe | Dec 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Look what happened to Rome, Portugal, Ottoman, Darius, Alexander etc when they had too many faraway outposts | Dec 31 17:42 |
| schestowitz | They bankrupted their home nations or just couldn't sustain the empire | Dec 31 17:43 |
| schestowitz | And sadly, the current empires are crumbling too... sadly cause Singapore, China, Taiwan, Japan and HK are very bad when it comes to human rights | Dec 31 17:43 |
| schestowitz | They have already built the world's most modern and advanced cities to run important matters from | Dec 31 17:44 |
| *DaemonFC juggles a few 2 Euro coins | Dec 31 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.siriusit.co.uk/blogs/29-dec-2009/open-source-2010-new-years-predictions | Dec 31 17:45 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you figure there's anything to that North American Union crap? | Dec 31 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | I really just don't see Americans or Canadians as having any of it | Dec 31 17:45 |
| MinceR | canadians aren't american now? | Dec 31 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Technically no | Dec 31 17:46 |
| MinceR | strange | Dec 31 17:46 |
| MinceR | so which continent is canada on now? | Dec 31 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | well, if you want to talk in the sense of continents :P | Dec 31 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | They're on the North American continent | Dec 31 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | so many people joke about Canada being "America Jr." that I figured you were being sarcastic | Dec 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: NAFTA | Dec 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | it's already happening | Dec 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | And EUnion | Dec 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | But it's not denied either | Dec 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | people were denounced for saying it a decade ago, now it's in the mainstream media | Dec 31 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: So why do you think the EU plowed through so many formerly sovereign countries so easily? | Dec 31 17:48 |
| schestowitz | ACTA will be mighty | Dec 31 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Intl' laws | Dec 31 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | and why hasn't the same happened here so far? | Dec 31 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Bribing the victims to accept them too... bribing just their diplomats | Dec 31 17:48 |
| schestowitz | ACTA is for intl' IPR laws | Dec 31 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | so you figure that they just had an easier time over there and were using it as a dry run for later? | Dec 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think Canada is like MX and US combined in land size | Dec 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Biggest nation in America | Dec 31 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Canada has about the same land area as the US | Dec 31 17:49 |
| MinceR | biggest country, that is | Dec 31 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | iirc | Dec 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] <DaemonFC> so many people joke about Canada being "America Jr." that I figured you were being sarcastic | Dec 31 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Dec 31 17:50 |
| MinceR | i, too remember reading that canada has a larger land area than usa | Dec 31 17:50 |
| schestowitz | US used to the New England | Dec 31 17:50 |
| schestowitz | England Jr. | Dec 31 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | 3,854,085 sq mi Canada | Dec 31 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | 3,794,101 sq mi US | Dec 31 17:50 |
| MinceR | but that might have been an illusion originating from one of the projections used to make maps | Dec 31 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | so not much bigger landwise than US | Dec 31 17:50 |
| MinceR | ic | Dec 31 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | they only have about 10% the population though | Dec 31 17:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: in winter? | Dec 31 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | I think it was like 38 million people in Canada compared to 306 million in the US | Dec 31 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | something like that | Dec 31 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | way less people there | Dec 31 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | drives the population density way down | Dec 31 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | must make Canada seem bigger | Dec 31 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Canada gets more land in winter if you count ice | Dec 31 17:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's quality, not quantity | Dec 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | [17:51] <DaemonFC> I think it was like 38 million people in Canada compared to 306 million in the US | Dec 31 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | the cities of Los Angeles and New York represent about half Canada's population | Dec 31 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 31 17:52 |
| schestowitz | But most of CA is uninhabitable, even with modern lifestyle | Dec 31 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | many third world countries could easily defeat Canada militarily | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Like Russia's Siberia | Dec 31 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't put it past Mexico's ability | Dec 31 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the northern American union will deport people to north (formerly) CA as punishment :-) | Dec 31 17:54 |
| schestowitz | No need for death sentence anyway | Dec 31 17:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't think in terms of miliatry | Dec 31 17:54 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't rock that way anymore | Dec 31 17:54 |
| *zer0c00l has quit ("H4PPY N3W Y34R") | Dec 31 17:55 | |
| schestowitz | The world is more connected, with UN, IMF, IB>. | Dec 31 17:55 |
| MinceR | he can't help it, he's usian :> | Dec 31 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | the scariest thing about Canada is that the buying power of the Canadian Dollar and US Dollar about match since we've inflated the holy living hell out of our money | Dec 31 17:55 |
| schestowitz | The Mint is printing too much | Dec 31 17:55 |
| schestowitz | It should start printing food stamps | Dec 31 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | they don't print those | Dec 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | I've read from a friend in Michigan that hunger becomes an issue and reserves depleted | Dec 31 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | think they stopped doing that in 1998 :) | Dec 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Not if you're middle class, but still... | Dec 31 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | they're on a card now | Dec 31 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | they pay banks to administer them | Dec 31 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Not that's there much middle class left anyway. | Dec 31 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's people that were saying (years ago) "It would be nice if Mexico was more like the United States" | Dec 31 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | but the rich people said "It would be nice if the United States was more like Mexico" | Dec 31 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | and therich got their way | Dec 31 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | the Mexican sytem has always had most of the wealth in the hands of a few people | Dec 31 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's what NAFTA was designed to do to Americans | Dec 31 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | destroy the middle class, disempower the people, send all the wealth straight to the top 10% | Dec 31 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | it succeeded | Dec 31 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's still succeeding too | Dec 31 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | every year people don't get a raise, but inflation still goes up is another win for the banks and the billionaires | Dec 31 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | look at purchasing power from 2000-2010 (close to 2010 anyway) and look where wages are | Dec 31 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | everyone has dropped a few notches except the Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, Rupert Murdoch types | Dec 31 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | the ones who were engineering this crap all along | Dec 31 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | the minimum wage didn't even go up between 1996 I think, and 2007 (in stages leading to this year) | Dec 31 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | by the time they got raises, the lowest income people in the US were still years behind where they were in buying power in 1996 | Dec 31 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Every time there's a call to put in a law that ties minimum wage to inflation every year, the Republicans kill it | Dec 31 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | the last thing they want is a minimum wage that adapts itself to all the malicious crap they want to inflict on poor people | Dec 31 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: http://buytaert.net/queen-rania-using-drupal ! | Dec 31 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the rich people in Mexico are filthy rich | Dec 31 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Not just Slim | Dec 31 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | exactly | Dec 31 18:10 |
| schestowitz | They like in fortresses with peepholes for those controlling the Gates | Dec 31 18:10 |
| schestowitz | *gates | Dec 31 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Slip. | Dec 31 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Like fuedalism in a sense | Dec 31 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Many live in atrocious conditions and they have Mexico City populated like nothing else, not even London | Dec 31 18:11 |
| schestowitz | [17:58] <DaemonFC> the Mexican sytem has always had most of the wealth in the hands of a few people | Dec 31 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I'm catching up | Dec 31 18:11 |
| schestowitz | You've already said what I have | Dec 31 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saying that NAFTA was designed to model the US more like Mexico | Dec 31 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | the only benefit of NAFTA is to the rich | Dec 31 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | the obscenely rich | Dec 31 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes, wages for the top people increased 600% | Dec 31 18:12 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall then time range for that | Dec 31 18:12 |
| schestowitz | But it's top 0.01% | Dec 31 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Which is still a lot of people | Dec 31 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Guess whose wages they got to grow them six-fold (these were obscenely high numbers to start off with) | Dec 31 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd like to see them tie minimum wage to the Consumer Price Index and remove the cap on the tax brackets so that they continue indefinitely | Dec 31 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll buy (/already bought) a condo in Malaysia to run away to when the people come to their home/s with torches | Dec 31 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | and remove the $104,500 income cap on social security and fica tax | Dec 31 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Poor people's wages come at a cost | Dec 31 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you know how much money they could raise if they did that? | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz | That cost is defict | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz | National debt skyrocketed | Dec 31 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | The US debt would be paid off in 10 years | Dec 31 18:14 |
| schestowitz | But the rich people don't mind | Dec 31 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | They have no debt/interest and little liability if anyway | Dec 31 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | there's this fictional argument that rich people always come up with | Dec 31 18:15 |
| schestowitz | The debts are to be paid like the bailout | Dec 31 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | "If you tax us, you hurt everyone" | Dec 31 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Just more punishment imposed on people in the middle... sanwiched | Dec 31 18:15 |
| schestowitz | *ndw | Dec 31 18:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: can it be repaid in 10 years | Dec 31 18:15 |
| schestowitz | ? | Dec 31 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | if they did what I just said, yes | Dec 31 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | paid in full | Dec 31 18:16 |
| schestowitz | You'd need to make the excess of $1.4 TRILLION per year | Dec 31 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | and they could pay back the Social Security "trust fund" in 2 years past that | Dec 31 18:16 |
| schestowitz | THat would require living and dying like farmers for future generations... donkeys | Dec 31 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | by removing the tax caps on billionaires? | Dec 31 18:16 |
| schestowitz | The lobbies won't alow this | Dec 31 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think the top % of tax you can pay is only like 17% | Dec 31 18:17 |
| schestowitz | *allow | Dec 31 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Remember who pays the lobbies | Dec 31 18:17 |
| schestowitz | See my post from this morning abut Gates | Dec 31 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | could you imagine if Gates or Ballmer had to pay 40% income tax? lol | Dec 31 18:17 |
| schestowitz | They have many shill orgs | Dec 31 18:17 |
| schestowitz | They feed them with money to pervert the system | Dec 31 18:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/7GPlj0 Interesting way to reduce your dependance on web 2.0 / social networking.. | Dec 31 18:18 | |
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| schestowitz | Average USians with blogs don't have the power of a group of 10 shills working full time to brainwash the public and the feds in suits | Dec 31 18:18 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Obama was co-opted months before he was elected | Dec 31 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | at least months | Dec 31 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Not a year? | Dec 31 18:18 |
| schestowitz | He was funded by the banking indurty more than McBush | Dec 31 18:19 |
| schestowitz | It helped him win | Dec 31 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | when he stopped bashing the bastards who deserve to be in prison | Dec 31 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | and started passing laws for them | Dec 31 18:19 |
| schestowitz | The laws make no difference | Dec 31 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Nothing prevent another derivative scandal | Dec 31 18:19 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, they wanted him to go easy on them or give more handouts | Dec 31 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | not enact tough new regulations | Dec 31 18:19 |
| schestowitz | But that was not him | Dec 31 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Not entirely him | Dec 31 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | so they just pumped money into his campaign to buy him | Dec 31 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Don't blame the democrats only | Dec 31 18:20 |
| schestowitz | The Bush regime was going to do this | Dec 31 18:20 |
| schestowitz | They put him in a hard situation | Dec 31 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Alas, he did it | Dec 31 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | the whole thing started with Clinton | Dec 31 18:20 |
| schestowitz | He's not strong enough to make a gutsy decision to cut off the 'Big' banks | Dec 31 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | as "discrimination" against minorities for home loans | Dec 31 18:20 |
| schestowitz | He'd be assassinated or soemthing if he had | Dec 31 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | and it ballooned over the years into what happened in 2008 | Dec 31 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Clinton had some of the same crooks handle finances | Dec 31 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Including Rubin IIRC | Dec 31 18:21 |
| schestowitz | One of these 'zombie' people that never leave no matter how much trouble and crime they bring about | Dec 31 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Well, banks were finding out that for whatever reasons, minorities had less income and worse credit ratings | Dec 31 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Like Rumsfeld and Kissinger | Dec 31 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | so when they started denying them home loans based on no money and bad credit, they started playing the race card | Dec 31 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | Race to the Botttom(R) | Dec 31 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | so Clinton's guys told them they had to set aside a quota for bad risk minorities to get home loans | Dec 31 18:22 |
| schestowitz | "No child left behind" | Dec 31 18:23 |
| schestowitz | ->"No race left behind" | Dec 31 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | then the banks got the idea of expanding these bad loans and putting in a time delay bomb in the contract so that the interest wouldn't really blow up in your face for a year or three | Dec 31 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | then they started issuing them to customers who did qualify for better loans | Dec 31 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | to the point that millions had loans like this | Dec 31 18:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tgdaily.com/software-features/45215-firefox-4-slips-to-2011 | Dec 31 18:24 |
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| DaemonFC | then the banks that made the loans went and grouped the bad loans and sold them as securities | Dec 31 18:24 |
| schestowitz | The fox took a 'backfiring' | Dec 31 18:24 |
| schestowitz | core dump | Dec 31 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | so they could end up in people's retirement portfolios, investors hands, etc. | Dec 31 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | then they all took a bath while the banks made a shitload of money | Dec 31 18:24 |
| schestowitz | They still do | Dec 31 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Make a load of money | Dec 31 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Cause they bet against the rubbish assets | Dec 31 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Sold short | Dec 31 18:25 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/12/wall_street_cri.php | Dec 31 18:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.benzinga.com/node/71925 | Dec 31 18:25 |
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| DaemonFC | it all started with some minorities with no income and bad credit playing the race card cause they couldn't get a loan | Dec 31 18:25 |
| schestowitz | http://seekingalpha.com/article/180101-goldman-sachs-following-god-or-the-devil | Dec 31 18:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-should-have-known-its-gun-was-loaded-and-it-owes-the-public-reparations-2009-12 | Dec 31 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | and snowballed into this | Dec 31 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://truthiscontagious.com/2009/12/30/how-goldman-sachs-made-tens-of-billions-of-dollars-from-the-economic-collapse-of-america | Dec 31 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | hess euphoria as usual: http://www.daniweb.com/news/story249841.html | Dec 31 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: ping | Dec 31 18:43 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/12/limbaugh-hospital-chest-pains/ | Dec 31 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | Please God.... make the man go to a 'better' place he believes in | Dec 31 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Downstairs... | Dec 31 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Change Player Size | Dec 31 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Watch this video in a new window | Dec 31 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Hannity and Hitchens - Falwell | Dec 31 18:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFgX83OsEY | Dec 31 18:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailyworldbuzz.com/free-new-year-backgrounds-and-wallpapers-for-mac-pc-and-linux/9623/ | Dec 31 18:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Free New Year Backgrounds and Wallpapers for MAC, PC and Linux | Daily World Buzz .::. Size~: 62.07 KB | Dec 31 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Wow. It works in more than one platform.... an array of pixels | Dec 31 18:50 |
| schestowitz | "The patented technology facilitates the capability for UNIX and Linux..." http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/centrify-awarded-patent-in-identity-management-of-unix-and-linux-systems-80338277.html | Dec 31 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Bragging about patents | Dec 31 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/dec/08/news/chi-ap-in-officer-sexualbat | Dec 31 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: When the police fondle an underage teen, it's a year in prison (serve six months) | Dec 31 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | when anyone else does it, it's 3-5 years | Dec 31 18:54 |
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| DaemonFC | watch all the other cops in town start harassing the girls family now | Dec 31 18:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] just built a flat pack pc trolly, OMFG I am unfit. A simple trolly should not have needed shifts to finish, I see a NY resolution coming on | Dec 31 18:55 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.itproportal.com/storage/tech-deals/article/2009/12/30/115-hitachi-2tb-external-hard-drive/ " | Dec 31 18:55 |
| schestowitz | It is compatible with all major OSes except Linux it seems and it is cheaper than either buying two 1TB hard disk drives or a 2TB internal drive. | Dec 31 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | Read more: http://www.itproportal.com/storage/tech-deals/article/2009/12/30/115-hitachi-2tb-external-hard-drive/#ixzz0bIIhrpQq | Dec 31 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 31 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | Is this a new way to say "Mac and WIndows'? | Dec 31 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "...all major OSes except Linux"? | Dec 31 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.waningmoon.com/guide/library/lib0006.shtml | Dec 31 18:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how old was the cop? | Dec 31 18:57 |
| schestowitz | If he was 18, that would be borderline | Dec 31 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | in his 40s I think | Dec 31 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Ewww. | Dec 31 18:57 |
| schestowitz | That's like molesting his daughter | Dec 31 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Cause if a guy has a slightly younger girlfriend, then it's no big deal, IMHO | Dec 31 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Like if it's a couple where both are under 18 | Dec 31 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think that since he did it while on duty and in uniform, he should be punished more severely than normal | Dec 31 18:58 |
| amarsh04 | this is worse DaemonFC: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ivrm3Cu2eYGvyN3TIs9YqcDiWpGQ | Dec 31 18:58 |
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| DaemonFC | he used his position to get her to go along with that, obviously | Dec 31 18:58 |
| schestowitz | The funny thing is, a couple at 17 is sort of criminalised... if they dare to engage in anything, with exceptions | Dec 31 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz Not in Indiana | Dec 31 18:59 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Dec 31 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | you can be up to 20 and not get in any trouble as long as the other one is at least 16 | Dec 31 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Many people had sex before 18, with a partner of the same ages | Dec 31 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Me included in case that matters | Dec 31 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | you both have to tell the cops you're in a dating relationship | Dec 31 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | they'll let you go | Dec 31 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | law says they have to | Dec 31 19:00 |
| schestowitz | The problem is when people start to criminalise couples where the girl is just under 18 and the guy just over 18 | Dec 31 19:00 |
| MinceR | "all major OSes except Linux" -- is the USB Mass Storage standard _really_ that hard to implement? | Dec 31 19:00 |
| schestowitz | There's a real ethical problem there with the law | Dec 31 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Not a crime in Indiana as long as you both say you're dating | Dec 31 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | you don't have to be, you jsut say you are | Dec 31 19:01 |
| schestowitz | But that's not the point | Dec 31 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: How do I know? I was arrested | Dec 31 19:01 |
| schestowitz | It's an example where laws are not suitable for reality | Dec 31 19:01 |
| schestowitz | You see, like patents.... | Dec 31 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | and they had to drop the charge and let me go home withing like 5 hours | Dec 31 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Lessign is amart about it | Dec 31 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | *within | Dec 31 19:01 |
| schestowitz | He said, if the law is stupid, don't ignore it, change it | Dec 31 19:02 |
| schestowitz | So you could have them rewrite the law | Dec 31 19:02 |
| MinceR | i can't change the law | Dec 31 19:02 |
| schestowitz | There's also all that sexting stuff in the news, where kids are being criminalised for swapping photos with othr kids | Dec 31 19:02 |
| schestowitz | This is widely criticised as frivilous | Dec 31 19:02 |
| schestowitz | *frivolous | Dec 31 19:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: many laws changed | Dec 31 19:03 |
| schestowitz | As Ryan would know, gay people for example can now marry in many places | Dec 31 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Some US states have a law about petitioning for a ballot measure | Dec 31 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't apply to most people, but for those in the gay community it's a sign of progress | Dec 31 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: 5 states | Dec 31 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | the religious are trying to undo that | Dec 31 19:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm straight and I think they deserve the same rights to state support | Dec 31 19:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I know | Dec 31 19:04 |
| schestowitz | But it's going in that direction | Dec 31 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Once it gets rolling, it's like DMCA | Dec 31 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, until 2003 it was a crime for gays and lesbians to have sex in about half the states | Dec 31 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | that got overturned in Lawrence v. Texas | Dec 31 19:05 |
| schestowitz | As MinceR says, "jesusland" | Dec 31 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Crime for women to touch women, eh? | Dec 31 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana repealed that in 1976, schestowitz | Dec 31 19:05 |
| schestowitz | I guess that rules out quite a lot of pr0n | Dec 31 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Indiana had sodomy laws on the books ever since we inherited British Common Law | Dec 31 19:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: see? So they changed the law. | Dec 31 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | the sodomy law got thrown out with that back in the late 1800s | Dec 31 19:06 |
| schestowitz | No need for civil disobedience when the role of religious institutions can be lessened | Dec 31 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | when we converted to our own statutory code | Dec 31 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | it got put back in though | Dec 31 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 31 19:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: but Sodom is far away | Dec 31 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | penalties changed several times | Dec 31 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | finally was repealed | Dec 31 19:06 |
| schestowitz | And the books say there was massive "global warming" so it got washed off | Dec 31 19:06 |
| schestowitz | This begs the question, are we descendants of Adam and Eve? | Dec 31 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Since we cloned British Common Law, the charge was "Capital Buggery" | Dec 31 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | and the penalty was death | Dec 31 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Cause IIRC only Noah and his minions survives | Dec 31 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | later reduced to 500 lashes | Dec 31 19:07 |
| schestowitz | *ved | Dec 31 19:07 |
| schestowitz | The man upstairs killed many of the rest | Dec 31 19:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but Noah is a descendant of Adam and Eve. | Dec 31 19:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, we are. | Dec 31 19:07 |
| schestowitz | I knoiw | Dec 31 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | that was when we were a territory, though the British Common Law lasted for decades after Indiana became a state | Dec 31 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Adam and Eve are monkeys | Dec 31 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | there was some freaky shit in there | Dec 31 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Dec 31 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it was a localized effect anyhow | Dec 31 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | only a specific location in the middle east flooded | Dec 31 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | other parts of the world didn't see this | Dec 31 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe "World" is best translation of Aramaic | Dec 31 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: By the time it was finally repealed, it was a B Misdemeanor with a max sentence of 6 months in jail | Dec 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | /bes/bad/ | Dec 31 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | and it hadn't been enforced in years | Dec 31 19:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | the world as they knew it at that time. | Dec 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Who knew? | Dec 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | The Incans knew differenytly | Dec 31 19:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | they as in the people of that area | Dec 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | They overcame the laws of physics | Dec 31 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | Kentucky repealed their "sodomy law" after the US Supreme Court struck them all down | Dec 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | They live "before time" | Dec 31 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Dec 31 19:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | aaaand now roy is trolling. | Dec 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | The Inca existed on day -10000 | Dec 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | That's one 10007 before GOd took a rest | Dec 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Tired dude, no wonder.... | Dec 31 19:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | the bible doesn't say the earth is 4000 years old | Dec 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | 6500? | Dec 31 19:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, God never took 6 days. | Dec 31 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Depends whose version | Dec 31 19:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | God took 6 _steps_. | Dec 31 19:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: theres only one version | Dec 31 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Every time something happens the Christians don't like, you see the televangelists saying the world is about to end cause we really pissed God off now | Dec 31 19:11 |
| schestowitz | bad translation? | Dec 31 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 31 19:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the original ancient hebrew, of which we only have fragments of | Dec 31 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: like Falwell? | Dec 31 19:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFgX83OsEY | Dec 31 19:11 |
| schestowitz | he says you caused 9/11, DaemonFC | Dec 31 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Dec 31 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | it was me | Dec 31 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Damn you! | Dec 31 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I was the criminal mastermind at home eating oatmeal with bananas and drinking my coffee | Dec 31 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | in my pajamas | Dec 31 19:12 |
| schestowitz | No, not that | Dec 31 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I turned on the TV and thought they were playing a clip from some new movie for a minute | Dec 31 19:13 |
| schestowitz | He blamed gay people, IIRC. The sad thing is, enough fool would believe him. Word by word | Dec 31 19:13 |
| schestowitz | /fool/fool/s | Dec 31 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | gay people... did... 9/11. | Dec 31 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Meh. /fool/fools/ | Dec 31 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: s/fool/fools/ | Dec 31 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | 9/11 was caused by buttsecks | Dec 31 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I know | Dec 31 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | it was in the 9/100 Commission Report | Dec 31 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | gay people did 9/11. | Dec 31 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't do sed here | Dec 31 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | bwhahahahahahahahahah | Dec 31 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | *9/11 | Dec 31 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh wow | Dec 31 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | next | Dec 31 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | you'll have space hitler flying the plane | Dec 31 19:14 |
| schestowitz | 9/11 was caused by planes | Dec 31 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | 9/11 was caused by a systemic failure of society | Dec 31 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | space hitler flew the plane on the orders of gay Satan who was having buttsecks with Michael Moore | Dec 31 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's 9/11 | Dec 31 19:14 |
| schestowitz | But the guards in a nearby building evacuated it | Dec 31 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: 9/11 was caused by 300 pansies on the plane that didn't want to confront 3 hijackers armed with box cutters | Dec 31 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's what caused it | Dec 31 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | if there were three guys with Uzis or something, I'd have understood that part a little better | Dec 31 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | So say you have a box cutter, right? You get rushed by 10 people. | Dec 31 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | You are pwned | Dec 31 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I don't get | Dec 31 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of hard to fatally injure someone with a box cutter | Dec 31 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | the most he'd do before he went down would be a superficial cut on someone | Dec 31 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Not the point | Dec 31 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Several decades ago, IIRC it was an Ethiopian hijacked a planed, grounded it, all with a dining knife on a flight attendant's nck | Dec 31 19:22 |
| schestowitz | The 'special forces' managed to distract him on the ground and pull her out | Dec 31 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I can find the video | Dec 31 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand why planes are so fashionable for people with political agendas | Dec 31 19:23 |
| tessier | Because they are large in the public's eye | Dec 31 19:23 |
| tessier | They get attention. | Dec 31 19:23 |
| tessier | It is an easy space in which to control people and easy to kill everyone on board by crashing/blowing up the plane. | Dec 31 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I only found something else.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMTYG9DiuPA | Dec 31 19:24 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes | Dec 31 19:24 |
| schestowitz | That's what I was about to say | Dec 31 19:24 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: They were not pansies. They had been told forever to cooperate with the terrorists because in the past things have nearly always ended well. | Dec 31 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Which is exactly why by covering the stories about the Nigerian kid they serve him | Dec 31 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Schneier writes about the notion of attention and terror | Dec 31 19:24 |
| schestowitz | By terrorising they only let the terrorists win | Dec 31 19:25 |
| schestowitz | In London they targeted the subway | Dec 31 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | Which just comes to show the the obsession with plane security (TSA) still negelects like millions of commercial buildings and maybe billions of vehicles | Dec 31 19:26 |
| tessier | Terrorists aren't attacking the commercial buildings/vehicles. | Dec 31 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK they now consider putting CCTV in people's HOMES | Dec 31 19:27 |
| tessier | That wouldn't get them much attention. | Dec 31 19:27 |
| tessier | The first WTC attack blew over very quickly. | Dec 31 19:27 |
| tessier | I don't even recall if it killed a single person. | Dec 31 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Oklahoma? | Dec 31 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Killed many hundreds | Dec 31 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Children too | Dec 31 19:28 |
| tessier | Yep. But that was an American. Not a scary foreigner. | Dec 31 19:28 |
| tessier | Nobody is concerned about that either. | Dec 31 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I watched it on television, it was very dramatised | Dec 31 19:28 |
| tessier | Plus we found and executed that guy. We won't find Bin Laden so easily, if ever. | Dec 31 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | That would achieve nothing | Dec 31 19:29 |
| schestowitz | It won't restore buildings and people... or civil rights | Dec 31 19:29 |
| tessier | Yep. | Dec 31 19:30 |
| tessier | But it placates the public and gets the terrorists little attention. | Dec 31 19:30 |
| tessier | And placating the public means they are not terrorized. | Dec 31 19:30 |
| tessier | But there is nothing the govt can do about Al Qaeda type terrorists. | Dec 31 19:31 |
| tessier | So the people will demand more and more and give up more and more rights. | Dec 31 19:31 |
| tessier | Thinking that something could be done if we just try hard enough. | Dec 31 19:31 |
| schestowitz | By doing something about it, well... I believe it aggravates | Dec 31 19:37 |
| schestowitz | They only give more recruitment material for fanatics | Dec 31 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I was briefly proud of this state last year | Dec 31 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Obama? | Dec 31 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana. It was put on the ballot whether we should fire all township tax assessors and destroy all the offices. | Dec 31 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Here's your song, DaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU | Dec 31 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | I voted yes. | Dec 31 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | the measure passed into law and 946 tax assessors were shitcanned | Dec 31 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | w00t! | Dec 31 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Wow. | Dec 31 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Think of all the bureaucratic jobs lost | Dec 31 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | I know, it was quite satisfying to have my finger on that button, schestowitz | Dec 31 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Ma and pa no longer to pay for school by hounding other families' ma and pa over tax | Dec 31 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | the governor had threatened to veto it, so the legislature put it on the ballot | Dec 31 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | and the residents of Indiana passed it, yay | Dec 31 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | we should do this more often | Dec 31 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | fire the governor while we're at it | Dec 31 19:40 |
| schestowitz | http://katonda.com/news/now-thats-what-i-call-windows-xp-linux/385/2009 | Dec 31 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | Put this in the libraru | Dec 31 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I estimated at one point that the pay for those 946 township tax assessors was costing the state over $3.6 million dollars | Dec 31 19:41 |
| schestowitz | But who would replace the governor? You?? | Dec 31 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | ballot measures :) | Dec 31 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Ballot affected by PR | Dec 31 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | nah, I know that would be impractical | Dec 31 19:42 |
| schestowitz | So the PR teams determine winners | Dec 31 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | but they plan to have another one in 2010, schestowitz | Dec 31 19:42 |
| schestowitz | That with the biggest PR budget (i.e. most bribed) gets elected | Dec 31 19:42 |
| schestowitz | That's the true reality of elections not being funded and run equally for all | Dec 31 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | This time asking if we support replacing the 3 county commissioners in all 91 counties with one County Executive position | Dec 31 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I plan on voting yes | Dec 31 19:43 |
| schestowitz | There were proposals for funding of it, in Canada I think | Dec 31 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Unbribeable candidate need not apply | Dec 31 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | firing bureaucrats is fun | Dec 31 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'll fire all of them they ask me about | Dec 31 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 31 19:44 |
| schestowitz | They find another such job | Dec 31 19:44 |
| schestowitz | You just pass them around | Dec 31 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Posted an hour ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/31/dean-lester-jumps-ship/#comments | Dec 31 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | "They don't quit, they metasticise. Dean Lester is still out there and will end up stinking up someone else's yard. It's just like other forms of gabarge. You can only just move it around from place to place unless you find a way to process it into something not garbage. " | Dec 31 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | the township assessor in Huntington (town I live in) sued the state trying to get her job back | Dec 31 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | lost her lawsuit | Dec 31 19:44 |
| schestowitz | (that's a comment BTW) | Dec 31 19:44 |
| schestowitz | "You get a very unusual type of person even considering working for M$. They're not going to change their spots quickly, even if they want to." | Dec 31 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Some jobs die | Dec 31 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Like business models | Dec 31 19:45 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAA knows | Dec 31 19:45 |
| schestowitz | So it's busy changing the laws | Dec 31 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You just described state bureaucrats | Dec 31 19:45 |
| schestowitz | to share up a yucky business model based on printing 1s and 0s on plastic | Dec 31 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | They don't quit, they metastasize . They're still out there and will end up stinking up someone else's yard. It's just like other forms of gabarge. You can only just move it around from place to place unless you find a way to process it into something not garbage. | Dec 31 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Dec 31 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: RE: Microsoft pushing to stop "piracy" in China | Dec 31 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | of course Chinese people would use Linux if they had to pay $200 for a Windows license | Dec 31 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably about what a lot of them make in a year | Dec 31 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 31 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Many do | Dec 31 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Preinstall rate for GNU/Linux is very high in China | Dec 31 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall it it was something like 40% | Dec 31 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Mostly junk version to be replaced, but not all | Dec 31 19:55 |
| schestowitz | In Brazil it's also a high number | Dec 31 19:55 |
| schestowitz | From memory it's either 40% or 70% | Dec 31 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to change that but it's CAN'T | Dec 31 19:55 |
| schestowitz | In a way, it's better this way for Microsoft | Dec 31 19:55 |
| schestowitz | But ideal would be to 'kill' Linux (it can't!! :-) ) and forces ALL OEMs to use WIndows | Dec 31 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows Starter Edition is too crippled to use | Dec 31 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS X is not an option, so..... | Dec 31 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Windows revenue is now down 40% | Dec 31 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Forty percent | Dec 31 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | Why don't they back off and just offer real copies of Windows priced for the prevailing local income? | Dec 31 19:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: people would not buy starter | Dec 31 19:56 |
| schestowitz | They would choose the Linux ons | Dec 31 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Starter would be replaced with illegal copies | Dec 31 19:56 |
| schestowitz | So Linux is still cheaper | Dec 31 19:56 |
| schestowitz | same with Netbooks | Dec 31 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Linux still has a third of this market, which grows rapidly | Dec 31 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | If Microsoft priced Windows around what the street vendors charge for Windows on a DVD-R.... | Dec 31 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Not in the US | Dec 31 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, why wouldn't that work? | Dec 31 19:57 |
| schestowitz | In EU, Asia, Russia maybe...... | Dec 31 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Russia Federal anyti-monopoly agency launched investigations into Microsoft's abuse there | Dec 31 19:58 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: In the US, Linux on netbooks has been beaten beyond recognition | Dec 31 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft walks on tight rope with those kickbacks and OREM briebry | Dec 31 19:58 |
| schestowitz | *OEM, not OREM | Dec 31 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's almost impossible to find a major brand of netbook with Linux | Dec 31 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/OR/O/ | Dec 31 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | :D | Dec 31 19:58 |
| schestowitz | US shops are maybe easier to bribe and people easier to fool | Dec 31 19:58 |
| schestowitz | But the NPD numbers are bogus anyway | Dec 31 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | so how much is Microsoft charging OEMs for Windows 7 Home Premium? | Dec 31 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft's | Dec 31 19:59 |
| schestowitz | NPD sells figures | Dec 31 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen it on some super cheap PCs | Dec 31 19:59 |
| amarsh04 | if it is, it's not labelled as "Linux". I blame the intel gma550 graphics chipset that doesn't have open specifications | Dec 31 19:59 |
| schestowitz | It never invetigates | Dec 31 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, you're looking at this wrong | Dec 31 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Their business model is to smear a a client's rival or glorify a product | Dec 31 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft wont get into regulatory problems with the bribes.... | Dec 31 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft will run out of money to bribe with | Dec 31 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Intel graphics are just sad | Dec 31 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | not only not something to write home about, just "pathetic" | Dec 31 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | OEMs will just say "give us windows for free" | Dec 31 20:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm says the bribes will leave Microsoff dry | Dec 31 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: I was under the impression they already got Starter for free or close to it | Dec 31 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes right | Dec 31 20:00 |
| schestowitz | But if people buy Linux, then it also gets $0 | Dec 31 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | linux gets cheaper and cheaper | Dec 31 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Worse-- people then don't buy ANY microsoft product like Office | Dec 31 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, its already $0 | Dec 31 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Dec 31 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | shipping a linux product is becoming less than $0. | Dec 31 20:00 |
| schestowitz | WHat would they buy then, ZUNE??? Ha. | Dec 31 20:00 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: Indiana fired all of their tax assessors? | Dec 31 20:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a negative number | Dec 31 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: All the township ones | Dec 31 20:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: so, for microsoft to compete, they'll have to give windows away for free to OEMs | Dec 31 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | county ones absorbed the responsibilities | Dec 31 20:01 |
| schestowitz | WIndows is cheaper to make | Dec 31 20:01 |
| schestowitz | It's made in Asia now | Dec 31 20:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: erm, dude | Dec 31 20:01 |
| schestowitz | And manufactured to disc in Costa Rica sweat shops and such places | Dec 31 20:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt cost anything to make | Dec 31 20:01 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: The townships have their own tax assessors? | Dec 31 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what Microsoft still does in the US and UK.... maybe xbox games | Dec 31 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: they used to, not now | Dec 31 20:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: OEMs dont ship any microsoft sourced products besides the sticker | Dec 31 20:01 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: So...who assesses taxes? | Dec 31 20:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | OEMs bake their own discs if they make a disc at all | Dec 31 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: The county assessor | Dec 31 20:02 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: So who was it that they fired? | Dec 31 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to sell ads now.... has tried this for like 2 years in vain | Dec 31 20:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not like, back when I got an OEM win95 pack, it had a thick book, a hologram, and a microsoft CD | Dec 31 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | the township assessors were basically a redundant office from the 1800s, tessier | Dec 31 20:02 |
| schestowitz | To make a sustainable income when people look for free /anything/ | Dec 31 20:02 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: So the county assessors can do the whole job? Interesting. | Dec 31 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Music, office suite, E-mail, browsers........ | Dec 31 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats and Republicans love lots of local government offices, they view it as training grounds for new politicians | Dec 31 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Good luck to Opera charging for the desktop browser | Dec 31 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: Yes | Dec 31 20:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: linux is basically the destruction of basic commercial software | Dec 31 20:03 |
| schestowitz | They make mobile royalties | Dec 31 20:03 |
| tessier | What have the township assessors actually physically been doing to earn their pay? | Dec 31 20:03 |
| schestowitz | They tried ads in Opera and put people offf | Dec 31 20:03 |
| schestowitz | OOo never implemented those either | Dec 31 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: Little to nothing | Dec 31 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was gonna do that with Works, but Works is officially (As in Office) dead now | Dec 31 20:03 |
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| DaemonFC | tessier: The county assessor has been assessing, sending the bills, and handling disputes for decades | Dec 31 20:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft is dumb | Dec 31 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | I got Works with my Compaq in 1999 | Dec 31 20:04 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I'd buy windows if 7 had not sucked dick | Dec 31 20:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Dec 31 20:04 |
| schestowitz | It's a drop-in freeware appetiser for Office | Dec 31 20:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | if it was stable and secure | Dec 31 20:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd buy it. | Dec 31 20:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft loses sales. | Dec 31 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: The township assessors were there because of a law that was nearly 200 years old | Dec 31 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: not commercial software | Dec 31 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary with acquisition cost | Dec 31 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | the ballot initiative basically repealed it | Dec 31 20:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: commercial as in "sold" | Dec 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | So that leaves ads and support/services | Dec 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: no, commercial typically means suitable for commerce | Dec 31 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | shows you the waste that old laws that are never rescinded can cause | Dec 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | It's used to confuse and smear Linux | Dec 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | People associated commercial with enterprise-grade | Dec 31 20:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thus I clarified. | Dec 31 20:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | [02:58:10] <Diablo-D3> and thus I clarified. | Dec 31 20:05 |
| schestowitz | VIsta 7 won't make money | Dec 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Unless you're a hardware company | Dec 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Dec 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Cause only sales of it make money | Dec 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | The software alone | Dec 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Not preinstalls | Dec 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | And most people just get it with a PC | Dec 31 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Exceoption: Microsoftm TEs and branwahsed 'fans' (Thinking that are fans... of Ballmer's wallet) | Dec 31 20:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | hey man | Dec 31 20:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im a fan of his wallet | Dec 31 20:07 |
| schestowitz | So the income from WIndows can be almost flat in OEM channel...slight rise upon release | Dec 31 20:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish I had a wallet that big | Dec 31 20:07 |
| schestowitz | +fanboys who buy it in 1st qtr after release | Dec 31 20:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | someone should start a facebook thing for balmer's wallet | Dec 31 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he'll get a backache from sitting on that wallet... like Costanza | Dec 31 20:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Dec 31 20:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | he has like | Dec 31 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Billions | Dec 31 20:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | a group of jews carry around his wallet in a 1:1 scale replica of the ark of the covenent | Dec 31 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Class if not a religion, but never mind | Dec 31 20:09 |
| schestowitz | You paint a class as ethnicity, which is unrealistic. A lot of wealth is now in Asia | Dec 31 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Distribution of wealth is another matter altogether | Dec 31 20:09 |
| schestowitz | How's the spread of wealth in CHina and India...? Let's check the Wiki | Dec 31 20:10 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth | Dec 31 20:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Distribution of wealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 50.89 KB | Dec 31 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_distribution_of_wealth | Dec 31 20:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: World distribution of wealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 136.69 KB | Dec 31 20:11 |
| schestowitz | The data.. | Dec 31 20:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @woosang Most expensive purchase from Abebooks http://bit.ly/77YERw | Dec 31 20:12 | |
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| schestowitz | This one doesn't show classes apart though | Dec 31 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Changes in the Distribution of Wealth in the U.S., 1989-2001 [PDF} http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/oss/oss2/papers/concentration.2001.10.pdf | Dec 31 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's from the Fed. Very reliable ..... ;-0 | Dec 31 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Could be cooked dsata | Dec 31 20:16 |
| schestowitz | From the summary, a contradiction with tuth: | Dec 31 20:16 |
| schestowitz | "However, for the group of families in the center of the distribution, there was strong growth between 1989 and 2001." | Dec 31 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like utter bollox | Dec 31 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | "The SCF data are a very rich source of wealth data, and many more slices may be made of the data beyond the ones presented in this paper. At least two such cuts seem potentially" | Dec 31 20:17 |
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| yuhong | "“Boycott Bing” Revisited, Google Makes It Obsolete Anyway" | Dec 31 20:19 |
| yuhong | If you hasn't noticed in the comments, I thought an article like this would mention Google Caffeine. | Dec 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Dec 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | But why? | Dec 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Caffeine means nothing | Dec 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | It's a changeset with a name | Dec 31 20:20 |
| yuhong | But the title made it sound like it would mention it. | Dec 31 20:20 |
| yuhong | Do you get it now? | Dec 31 20:23 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Yay | Dec 31 20:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I now own orange box and the hl1 anthology | Dec 31 20:26 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yeah | Dec 31 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Wait | Dec 31 20:26 |
| schestowitz | I was on the phone | Dec 31 20:26 |
| schestowitz | OK, I see what you mean now. So you want the title to say Caffeine -- whatever it does in the binary moss -- is Bong's [sic] Nemesis? | Dec 31 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Caffeine is just PR hype | Dec 31 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Google makes changes to its algos all the time | Dec 31 20:27 |
| schestowitz | It's its most precious product | Dec 31 20:27 |
| schestowitz | They could call this update "Steve"... or "Mug" | Dec 31 20:28 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Orange Box (HL2 + Ep1 + Ep2 + TF2 + Portal) is now $22.49 for a limited time #valve #wine | Dec 31 20:29 | |
| yuhong | Nope, it is just that the title imply that you would mention Caffeine. | Dec 31 20:29 |
| yuhong | "“Boycott Bing” Revisited, Google Makes It Obsolete Anyway" | Dec 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Dec 31 20:30 |
| yuhong | Add the words "with Caffeine". | Dec 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | What In meant to say is, people may boycott the junk called MSN/Live/Bong [sic] but Google needn't rely on such a boycott | Dec 31 20:31 |
| yuhong | I could easily add the words "with Caffeine". | Dec 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Google does fine with its existing code and DCs | Dec 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Caffeine is PR hype | Dec 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | I never gave that attention. It's just a word | Dec 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine | Dec 31 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | "Caffeine is a bitter, white crystalline xanthine alkaloid that is a psychoactive stimulant drug. " | Dec 31 20:32 |
| yuhong | And Caffeine can only help. | Dec 31 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Basically, Google is now naming its software after drugs | Dec 31 20:32 |
| schestowitz | What's next for Google? Crack? | Dec 31 20:32 |
| yuhong | Well, various companies use various names for codenames, Intel often use cities, for examples. | Dec 31 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | AMD has a few times | Dec 31 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | I really do think AMD overall puts out better stuff than Intel | Dec 31 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | not that they're always faster, but they're cheaper and the failure rates of their CPUs and boards seems lower | Dec 31 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Intel's codenames should be what you can expect their processor to do | Dec 31 20:35 |
| yuhong | A real disaster, BTW, was Carl Sagan, the codename for the Power Mac 7100. | Dec 31 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Codename: Shortout | Dec 31 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Codename: Burstintoflames | Dec 31 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | that would tell the buyer what they're getting | Dec 31 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Codename: Mortgage could be the i7 | Dec 31 20:36 |
| yuhong | http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=107351&cid=9136752 | Dec 31 20:37 |
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| yuhong | One of the changes in Caffeine, BTW, is GFS2. | Dec 31 20:39 |
| yuhong | http://rtmlwise.com/blog/miscellaneous/google-caffeine-a-new-way-to-search/ | Dec 31 20:39 |
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| yuhong | http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3972279.htm | Dec 31 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: just replied | Dec 31 20:40 |
| schestowitz | In the site | Dec 31 20:40 |
| yuhong | Thank you. | Dec 31 20:41 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: GFS2 is not an algorithm change | Dec 31 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It's an infrastructural one, unless it's supported differently by the software side above the kernel space | Dec 31 20:42 |
| yuhong | It isn't. | Dec 31 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Which I doubt it doews | Dec 31 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it makes Google less glitch-prone | Dec 31 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Or faster at synching DCs | Dec 31 20:42 |
| yuhong | But these changes probably are more rare than algorithm changes, so it may prove that the changes really deserve a name. | Dec 31 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Name for private code/ | Dec 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | ? | Dec 31 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Only Google runs it | Dec 31 20:44 |
| schestowitz | It's not for sale of download | Dec 31 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Thus, codenames are just hype and PR | Dec 31 20:44 |
| schestowitz | /of/or/ | Dec 31 20:44 |
| yuhong | Yep, I know that it is private code. | Dec 31 20:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikisignpost Another piece from right-wing WorldNetDaily about Wikipedia http://ur1.ca/itb4 A lengthy account of 2009 anti-WND vandalism | Dec 31 20:48 | |
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| DaemonFC_ | oh damn Comcast | Dec 31 20:53 |
| DaemonFC_ | brb | Dec 31 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the Onion has just done a video on you :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_95F5e-Ac | Dec 31 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Watch that last remark -- at the end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31JNEVHZxO8 | Dec 31 21:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Me, wifey, red wine, wii. Happy new year! #fb | Dec 31 21:20 | |
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| yuhong | "Do consider asking your national standards body to join the complaint of South Africa. " | Dec 31 21:22 |
| yuhong | Did that succeed? | Dec 31 21:23 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/ooxml-abuse-index/ | Dec 31 21:23 |
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| yuhong | "Do consider asking your national standards body to join the complaint of South Africa. " | Dec 31 21:26 |
| yuhong | Did that succeed? | Dec 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | This one is _so_ funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ | Dec 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: some called | Dec 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | 4 nations complained | Dec 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | ISO ignored and is worth garbage now | Dec 31 21:27 |
| schestowitz | So ISO is basically corrupt, in the face of many formal complaints | Dec 31 21:28 |
| yuhong | So what about now? | Dec 31 21:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ahhh, it's 31/12 but only 21:20 and already we have people sending mass text messages to our home phone. Nice robot voice reading them. #fb | Dec 31 21:34 | |
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| rip | so, i'm thinking about installing openSUSE.. as a user, how will i be impacted by Novell-Microsoft deal? | Dec 31 21:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] at home with @arkadyrose and freda for NYE. older teen has bf over. younger is out w friends. i have beer. life is good! | Dec 31 22:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jeremy Allison is "Livin' La Vida [GNU] Linux" http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/301 | Dec 31 22:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free/Libre Game Engine #Ogre3D Produces Games for #GNU #Linux Games http://ur1.ca/itll | Dec 31 22:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Call for #GNOME Desktop to Return to #GNU Roots http://www.itwire.com/content/view/30289/1090/ #mono | Dec 31 22:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU / #Linux Champions in Phones/Mobility in 2009 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/2009-recap-and-new-showcase-guides/?kc=rss | Dec 31 22:15 | |
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| rip | does boycott novell mean boycot openSUSE? | Dec 31 22:22 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Queen of #Jordan Uses Free/Libre #CMS Software, GNU/Linux http://buytaert.net/queen-rania-using-drupal #drupal | Dec 31 22:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Java Programming Still Tops Anything Else Of Its Kind http://ur1.ca/itmp #dotnot #development | Dec 31 22:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @thistleweb By limits I meant Week 1 - 100 members, 0 groups. Week 2 - 200 members and 2 groups, building to unlimited by the month. | Dec 31 22:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Happy new year, everyone! Thanks to all who follow. | Dec 31 22:34 | |
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| yuhong | On the new Google/YouTube patent, fortunately right now it is just an application. | Dec 31 23:17 |
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